0:07 paper in fact the biggest difference
0:10 between these three boards the main work
0:12 of boards is the assessments the
0:15 examinations which happen school or what
0:16 are the questions that they should be
0:18 looking or or what what information that
0:20 they should see to differentiate a
0:22 school that's doing well in a particular
0:26 curriculum the awareness amongst parents
0:28 is also low about what is a good school
0:30 most people go by The
0:31 The
0:34 Branding percentage of their children
0:36 are getting what percentage of marks in
0:40 10th and 12th yeah which again is not
1:03 [Music]
1:05 hello everyone welcome back to another
1:08 episode of DC return today's episode is
1:12 a bit special uh this is not uh
1:13 interviewing the family who have moved
1:16 back to India but uh talking to an
1:19 expert in education to get an overview
1:21 of uh different curriculums ask some of
1:22 the questions that most of the people
1:26 have and uh I'm really excited to have
1:29 Mr mosum on our show uh who is an expert
1:31 in the the education field who has
1:32 expertise working with different
1:35 curriculums what works which curriculum
1:37 would be better for kids uh this is an
1:39 important topic for a lot of families
1:41 who are moving back to India and I'm
1:43 really looking forward to our discussion
1:46 uh with that welcome Mr mome to the show
1:49 thank you so much ainash for inviting me
1:53 and I'll be happy to share whatever I
1:56 can for the people who watch this that's
1:59 fantastic so why don't we start a bit
2:01 about your background I mean relevant to
2:03 the education so we just set the stage
2:05 and then we can get into the specifics
2:08 uh of the curriculums and so
2:12 on uh getting into education happened by
2:15 chance before that I an i a software
2:19 engineer and MBA which is like the life
2:22 path for almost you know majority of uh
2:27 people especially of our age so I did my
2:30 btech and then uh worked with Mahindra
2:33 for couple of years as a software
2:36 engineer then I did my MBA from spj
2:39 Singapore Dubai and then I worked with
2:42 Reliance diai Amani anal deai Amani
2:45 group for again couple of
2:48 years so during that period I realized
2:52 that uh working for a corporate is not
2:56 my calling and I was always interested
2:58 in helping people
3:02 learn uh uh was ashler education which
3:06 was uh into education uh especially for
3:10 pre- primary and primary uh grade
3:13 children and it was about creating
3:16 curriculum for that age group and then
3:18 delivering it to
3:21 schools and it happened by chance I met
3:23 somebody we got talking and then we
3:27 decide let's get into this and that is
3:30 where my journey a serious Journey with
3:33 the you know school education started
3:35 because we were on the development side
3:38 so it also put us into a position of
3:40 responsibility to create something
3:43 meaningful for uh
3:46 children yeah so that is where we
3:48 started diving into a lot of research on
3:52 how children learn how uh you know how
3:54 Learning Happens what is the right
3:57 environment what kind of setting should
4:00 be there how children should you know
4:05 um how children should mingle with uh
4:08 students what interaction how much
4:11 instruction so at a very deep level all
4:13 those things and we created our
4:17 curriculum and we we were able to
4:20 successfully distribute in about 1200
4:21 plus schools in
4:26 India so and it was well appreciated and
4:29 this curriculum kept on you know getting
4:34 fine with time so I spent my 10 years in
4:37 this Venture with the couple of Ventures
4:42 one is the uh Propel education there
4:45 again we work with schools now this is a
4:48 more deep connection with schools where
4:50 we just not you know deliver curriculum
4:53 we also train teachers to you know help
4:56 them understand how the education is
4:59 changing and how children you know the
5:02 the environment has changed atmosphere
5:05 has changed over such a long period so
5:07 what is the right education now and how
5:11 to deliver it to Children yeah so that
5:15 is the work at Propel uh another venture
5:19 I'm a significant part of is uncover ma genius
5:20 genius
5:23 where uh where we understood we work
5:27 deeply in mathematics education and in
5:29 fact a lot of this is personal
5:33 experience because we me and my wife
5:35 who's again a professor in mathematics
5:37 in Delhi University
5:42 lectur so uh we didn't send our children
5:45 to school we uh thought of taking an
5:48 alternative path and uh we created our
5:50 own School initially but then
5:53 homeschooled a little later after uh 2
5:56 three years so during these years so
5:58 that has been my journey over last 15
6:00 plus years
6:03 and no fantastic yeah thanks a lot for
6:06 such a detailed overview and uh really
6:08 looking forward to our specific
6:09 questions right especially for youth to
6:13 spend uh close to 15 years understanding
6:15 how the kids uh Thrive and which
6:17 curriculum and doing a homeschooling for
6:19 your own kids with an alternate
6:22 education system which we will dive into
6:25 so maybe let's start with a little bit
6:26 on a high level on the different
6:28 curriculums that are available in India
6:31 right now and uh you know which one
6:33 would work better for what kind of a kid
6:36 or maybe some compare and contrast on
6:37 those curriculums I think that would be
6:38 very good
6:43 stamp yeah so I'll say there are many
6:47 curriculums but I'll say majorly uh if I
6:51 talk about children grade one onwards in
6:53 pre- primary below grade one them more
6:57 curriculums like montri reguo and other
7:00 apart from the widely known
7:03 curriculums uh from grade one onwards
7:06 primarily there are three curriculums I
7:10 uh which I would uh you know get into
7:14 detail of details of first is cbsc which
7:17 everybody knows then uh there is
7:19 Cambridge curriculum which is a more
7:23 recent Edition which is also called
7:26 IGCSE it is a curriculum which was
7:29 created which is created by Cambridge
7:32 University and it's been uh you know
7:34 accepted by schools
7:37 worldwide and the third one is IB
7:40 curriculum which again which is again an
7:43 international curriculum and it's it's I
7:47 would say it's more uh it's more
7:49 relevant to the current
7:52 education so these three are main then
7:55 there are state boards then there is ICC
7:58 but all those are on similar lines as
8:02 cbsc yeah so when I talk about cbsc then
8:05 those state boards and ICC also get
8:09 covered yeah uh do I get into details
8:11 yeah let's I think uh dive into a little
8:14 bit of differences between these boards
8:16 and uh which one would be appropriate I
8:18 think that kind of structure of uh
8:21 teaching in these different curriculums
8:26 and right so uh keeping uh your audience
8:29 in mind which are more uh you know whove
8:33 been staying abroad and now uh planning
8:35 to come back to India I'll talk from
8:38 that perspective whatever I understand
8:39 and then you can probably ask me
8:43 questions in case I miss something so
8:46 first board I'll take up is
8:50 cbsc uh which is India's national board
8:53 and which is one of the most Progressive
8:57 boards uh in India compared to state
9:02 boards and ICC uh ICC is also uh similar
9:05 but cbsc has been uh you know making a
9:09 lot of changes recently just to uh you
9:13 know to evolve with times okay so that
9:17 is there uh
9:22 and so in this board uh in fact a lot
9:25 depends on the school also with the same
9:27 board there are some schools who've been
9:33 uh doing full work but at majority level
9:36 I would say because of the structures
9:38 provided by Boards and the guidelines
9:41 and the uh objective of the
9:46 board uh maximum schools get stuck into
9:50 um completing the basic requirements
9:54 what are uh What uh the board say and in
9:57 fact uh I don't know if it's a mass
9:59 knowledge or not the board come comes
10:04 into picture only uh in grade 10th n9th
10:07 onwards till 8th every school is
10:11 independent to implement any curriculum
10:14 they want any in any way they want even
10:18 the exams are not necessary but because
10:23 10th is uh where the cbsc comes in so uh
10:26 most schools and it's been a pattern for
10:30 a long long time now so most people uh
10:35 most schools have in fact uh it's not
10:38 just schools schools Publishers the who
10:41 the whole system which has gotten
10:44 created because of this is that things
10:47 have been you know whatever requirements
10:50 of cbsc are there in 9th and 10th they
10:53 have gotten uh backtracked and whole
10:56 curriculum from grade one has been
11:00 designed in a way that children
11:01 uh face
11:05 minimum problems in grade 9th and 10th
11:08 yeah but that does not happen so we'll
11:10 come back to it
11:14 later uh what happens is the board uh
11:17 the the education system which got
11:22 created uh it's it's uh it's an old
11:26 board and a lot of a lot of evolution
11:29 hasn't happened over time so the
11:32 education system is stuck in the past in
11:37 the sense that it's more uh fact based
11:41 memory may based which requires a lot of
11:45 Road learning so the the system was Bas
11:49 more based on memorizing things rather
11:51 than understanding and understanding the
11:54 Practical Implement implications of what
11:58 we are studying yeah so a lot of those
12:00 things are still continuing that is
12:04 where I see a lot of gap between current
12:08 uh needs of the uh needs of the world
12:10 and the education
12:14 system that uh does not mean that there
12:16 are some schools who are not who've not
12:19 progressed or who not evolved over time
12:22 there are some schools who are uh you
12:26 know a Affiliated to cbsc boards board
12:28 but they are doing beautiful work but
12:31 there are few far in between yeah so in
12:34 cbsc boards what is happening the
12:36 guidelines from uh the
12:40 board and for for 9th and 10th but
12:42 depending on that the whole curriculum
12:46 gets distributed from grade one onwards
12:49 in a way that uh children prepare for
12:54 grade 9th and 10th and uh because the
12:55 syllabus is
13:00 such uh even the amount volume wise
13:05 and uh you know and the approach wise is
13:10 such that uh and also every school has a
13:13 lot of students in each class about 40
13:16 odd students in each class so getting
13:19 into experiential curriculum which is
13:22 the need of the r becomes difficult uh for
13:24 for
13:27 teachers because of the uh number of
13:30 children in each class second the
13:32 because of the background from where the
13:36 CH uh teachers are coming from they are
13:39 also coming from the same background and
13:42 even the colleges which offer B and all
13:46 they have not evolved so the kind of
13:49 teaching pedagogies they come with are
13:52 more traditional okay so that is why the
13:56 change has been slow and
14:00 schools uh because was because of the
14:03 size of population India has schools
14:06 have always been filled so they did not
14:09 even have incentive to change at a pace
14:11 which was required
14:15 yeah but now what what is happening is
14:18 because of the uh introduction of IGCSE
14:21 and IB which are more Progressive boards
14:23 I'll come to details of
14:26 these uh so there's a competition so
14:29 even cbsc schools are trying to evolve
14:32 okay and even the awareness is more so
14:35 the change is happening at a little
14:38 faster Pace compared to the past but yes
14:41 a lot of changes still required I've
14:44 covered a very high overview I would
14:47 want you to ask specific questions after
14:51 I talk about igcs and IB also in case
14:55 required yeah uh so I'll now come to
14:58 igcs board it's a board by Cambridge University
14:59 University
15:04 UK and again this University is a very
15:07 old University which has been working in
15:11 the field of education for long their uh
15:15 curriculum is Progressive more
15:18 Progressive than the uh traditional cbsc
15:21 curriculum which is there and they
15:24 also uh
15:29 encourage uh Hands-On experiences more
15:32 even the exam paper in fact the biggest
15:34 difference between these three boards
15:36 the main work of boards is the
15:39 assessments the examinations which
15:42 happen so the biggest difference between
15:45 IG CSC board and cbsc board is the kind
15:48 of Assessments they create for students
15:52 so cbsc board is more uh so this war
15:56 happened in which year or something like
15:59 that which they are trying to evolve
16:02 igcc curriculum is more thinking based
16:05 so it is not about memorizing it is
16:09 about uh understanding the level of
16:11 child's thinking level of
16:15 child's uh problem solving abilities
16:17 which is there somewhat more than what
16:22 cbsc requires so an igcc board will not
16:24 ask a direct question like this that
16:26 what was the name of the scientist who
16:29 invented something they'll probably go
16:35 into the detail like so if uh this
16:39 machine is used for say for example
16:40 there's a lawn
16:42 lawn
16:46 mower yeah yeah so lawn mower it is used
16:47 to cut the
16:50 grass uh do you think there can be other
16:53 uses also for this so this is not
16:55 something which can be memorized this is
16:57 something where you need to apply your
16:59 mind and see understand the operation of
17:02 the lawnmower and then understand
17:06 where else it can be used yeah so those
17:09 kind of things it has a little igcs
17:12 board has a little different structure
17:15 where uh you know uh the age groups are
17:19 divided into blocks so um grade 3 to
17:21 five is one
17:26 block grade uh yeah first second or
17:28 kindergarten to second is one block
17:33 grade 628 is one block then grade uh 991
17:37 and 11 12th is one block okay so that is
17:40 how it is there and the outcomes are
17:42 defined not
17:46 classwise what happens in cbsc here
17:49 outcomes are defined blocks wise so in
17:52 three years from grade three to five the
17:56 board mentions very clearly that and at
17:58 the end of grade five this is what we
18:02 expect the children to understand and uh
18:05 uh this is the level of understanding we
18:07 expect from a child and they very
18:10 clearly defined parameters in brid board for
18:11 for
18:14 that and then they have their own
18:17 curriculum they have their own books
18:19 which are some of them are published by
18:22 Cambridge also then some different
18:25 Publishers peon is there then some
18:29 Indian Publishers are also there so they
18:34 take out books for uh The igcs Bard okay
18:38 uh now coming to the IB board which is
18:40 now becoming popular in India and
18:45 elsewhere also IB board compared to
18:48 these two boards is the most Progressive
18:52 one uh in the sense there has been a lot
18:55 of research going and for about how children
18:56 children
19:01 learn and uh especially uh uh a lot of
19:04 care is taken at the pre- primary and
19:07 primary level to make education
19:10 experiential rather than you know Road
19:13 based and rather than you know just
19:15 sharing of knowledge sharing of
19:18 information that is the last thing uh they
19:20 they
19:23 suggest uh they talk about that even if
19:26 we cover less that is okay but it has to
19:30 be more experiential more more practical
19:34 where the understanding has to be built
19:38 and if you see like you also your
19:40 background background is also software
19:43 engineering right yeah robotics but I
19:47 can understand on the yeah so if we see
19:49 that the world has moved a lot and
19:51 technology is
19:54 changing every couple of years yeah so
19:58 we cannot expect to teach the child Java
20:02 today and then you know Implement Java 5
20:05 years later because the language today
20:07 also Java is obsolete the other
20:11 languages which have come up so this
20:14 board the basic the core of this board
20:17 is helping children learn how to learn
20:20 instead of learning things it is about
20:23 helping children learn how to learn so
20:26 that whatever is required after you know
20:29 5 7 10 years
20:31 they are they have built that skill to
20:34 learn the things which are required in
20:36 the future which is a very beautiful uh
20:41 way of approaching uh the education yeah
20:43 I will not talk about implementation
20:45 because implementation is very
20:48 subjective to the school who is doing it
20:52 these are the boards I've talked about
20:56 uh like I said that even under cbsc
20:57 there are some schools who are doing
21:00 beautifully for children there are
21:04 schools under IB who are not doing uh
21:07 you know implementing it uh that well
21:11 also so it's a lot depends on the vision
21:15 of the uh head who's running the school
21:18 and how much investment in terms of
21:20 training their
21:23 teachers and ensuring that the quality
21:27 is taken care of so that plays a big
21:29 part in
21:32 ensuring the quality of delivery by the
21:36 school go so board wise IB is the most
21:40 Progressive one I'll say IG CSC lies
21:44 somewhere in the middle and cbsc is
21:46 coming from the traditional side but now
21:49 trying to evolve yeah thanks a lot for
21:51 uh such a detailed overview just to
21:54 follow up I think as you uh suggested uh
21:56 as you said I think on cbsc the
21:59 assessment happens in grade n and 10 I
22:02 think pretty much every school try to
22:05 design their curriculum so that they are
22:07 prepared for that and then I think you
22:09 mentioned in the IG CSC it's the blocks
22:11 where they have these different blocks
22:13 where they do assessment in the IB how
22:15 does the assessment work uh relatively
22:18 compared to these two and uh I know you
22:19 mentioned it's very much independent to
22:21 the school in what they want to
22:23 implement so what kind of assessment
22:24 happens and how does differ from the
22:29 other conents so IB has uh gives a lot
22:33 of freedom to the school for the
22:35 implementation in IB also there are
22:38 different blogs like this pyp which is
22:40 called primary year programs which is
22:43 for children till grade five then middle
22:46 year programs myyp which is for grade
22:51 sixth and eth then there is uh CP and DP
22:54 CP is certificate program for grades 9th
22:56 and 10th and DP is diploma program for
22:59 grade 11th and 12th
23:04 so till grade 8th uh IB
23:09 is I IB does not give any structure like
23:12 in I cbsc and
23:16 IGCSE there is a syllabus prescribed by
23:18 uh those boards then there are books
23:20 which are based on uh that syllabus
23:22 those guidelines which are provided by
23:24 those boards
23:26 IB just
23:30 suggests that uh these skills are to be
23:34 developed in the children IB discourages
23:37 the use of the books it does not
23:40 prescribe any books it suggest every
23:42 school to create their own
23:46 curriculum for children so that is H
23:49 that happens mostly and that is also the
23:52 biggest positive they have but also the
23:54 biggest uh
23:58 challenge face uh they face because
24:01 teachers today are not that equipped to
24:04 design their own curriculum after
24:06 indepth understanding of how children
24:09 learn that is where they face a lot of
24:11 Challenge and when the board doesn't
24:17 give any anchor for them to fall upon to
24:20 you know some basic
24:23 guidelines that taking those basic
24:27 guidelines they can create uh uh
24:29 curriculum or they can create uh some
24:33 things on their own so
24:37 uh so a lot of teachers a lot of schools
24:40 struggle big time over there getting it
24:45 right so uh that is the challenge and
24:47 again yeah all these things will take a
24:50 little time till the teacher training
24:56 part is taken care of till you know uh a
25:01 lot of uh IB is the smallest uh segment
25:05 of the schools India has that is why the
25:09 focus now is becoming more and more so
25:13 with time I see it uh developing and uh
25:17 you know with time I see it uh I see
25:20 teachers getting more equipped to deal
25:22 with this kind of progressive curriculum
25:25 but today it's a challenge yeah yeah
25:26 yeah so I think in continuing to that
25:28 right I think the key thing is the
25:30 implementation you know for any of these
25:32 curriculums you have highlighted that
25:35 there are some schools in cbsc that are
25:37 doing very beautifully and you know some
25:39 schools in IB struggling even though the
25:41 framework might be to be more
25:43 Progressive but at the end it depends on
25:45 the implementation the teachers training
25:49 and so on so how can one parent uh be
25:52 able to differentiate which school or
25:53 what are the questions that they should
25:56 be looking or what what information that
25:58 they should see to differentiate school
26:02 that's doing well in a particular
26:05 curriculum so uh two points come to my
26:09 mind first every parent who is uh
26:11 planning to put their child in the
26:14 school they should meet the head of the
26:18 school and understand the vision of that
26:23 uh vision of the head what Vision uh do
26:25 they have whether it's a he or she do
26:26 they have for the
26:31 school and second to understand if the
26:35 work is happening in that field another
26:38 major aspect is to understand how much
26:40 investment in terms of
26:43 effort time and money they are putting
26:46 in teacher
26:49 training because teacher training is the
26:52 big at the end of the day teacher is
26:55 with the children so whatever be the
26:59 vision of the head the principal or the
27:03 owner the uh the groundwork is done by
27:06 the teacher so if that does not get uh
27:09 reflected in the teacher the work does
27:13 not happen so that is very important to
27:14 understand that how much work is
27:18 happening on the teacher end and coming
27:22 from majority of schools today still do
27:25 not consider teacher training uh the
27:28 important part of their uh you know
27:31 their growth or Evolution though every
27:35 curriculum cbsc also suggests a certain
27:38 number of days for teacher training but
27:40 that happens more as a you know
27:44 formality rather than serious effort
27:48 there IB uh has their own teacher
27:50 training programs which happens again
27:52 but the you know the frequency and the
27:55 number of trainings needed are much more
27:58 than what is currently being being
28:01 provided so these two things in any
28:03 school are the
28:07 biggest uh indicator of uh how the
28:11 school will work with students got it so
28:13 is there any online portal right to
28:15 differentiate because someone who he
28:17 hasn't lived in a city so somebody might
28:19 be moving to Bangalore or Delhi or
28:22 Mumbai and they have been abroad so they
28:23 might not be very familiar with the
28:24 schools they might get some
28:27 recommendations from family but uh it's
28:29 a different because you know it's their
28:31 own experience with their own kids or uh
28:35 someone so is there any online resource
28:36 that can tell like these schools are
28:38 better that's one aspect from a rating
28:40 and then the other one is like some of
28:42 the Practical questions that they can
28:44 ask to differentiate which are good
28:47 schools or which are not so good schools
28:48 so that they can make a right decision
28:51 uh when choosing one so I'll take your
28:54 questions one by one if I come to the
28:56 first question that is there any online
29:01 portal I am afraid I don't know of any
29:05 and uh second thing is it is very
29:09 difficult to uh you know objectively put
29:13 these things uh on any platform
29:17 because if we ask 100 parents of the
29:20 same school there would be mixed reviews
29:23 yeah some will say the school is good
29:26 some will say the school is you know not
29:28 so good some will say the school is
29:30 depending on their individual
29:35 experiences that depend a lot on the
29:38 teacher who teaching the children or
29:41 probably on some other experiences which
29:45 they have had so it's very difficult to
29:48 uh you know uh
29:51 objectively put uh these things on and
29:54 this will happen with the best of school
29:55 this will happen with the worst of
29:58 school that will so
30:01 uh just sitting online and deciding is a
30:05 very difficult task and most people go
30:07 by Word of Mouth which happens in every
30:12 field so if somebody asks me sitting in
30:14 US asks me which is a good school I'll
30:17 say XYZ is a good school so it gets
30:21 imprinted in their mind that XYZ z i can consider
30:22 consider yeah
30:24 yeah
30:28 uh but there the problem lies is that
30:32 uh the awareness amongst parents is also
30:34 low about what is a good school most
30:39 people go by The Branding the you know
30:42 again the the result they have been
30:45 giving for years and the result is
30:48 mostly in terms of you know what
30:50 percentage of their children are getting
30:53 what percentage of marks in 10th and
30:57 12th yeah which again is not the right indicator
30:58 indicator
31:01 especially in today's age because marks
31:03 are becoming less and less important and
31:05 skills are becoming more and more
31:09 important so it's a challenge yes for
31:13 any school any parent to understand that
31:18 is where uh the help of an expert uh
31:23 would help uh I see uh a lot of parents
31:27 like I'm am based in Delhi so Delhi has
31:29 a lot of
31:32 schools and there are schools who are
31:36 running on traditional uh
31:41 pedagogies they have been uh over you
31:44 know uh inundated by the applications
31:47 they receive and then you know they
31:50 select some and people die for getting
31:52 into those schools without
31:55 understanding that this knowledge or
31:57 this kind of skills might not be
31:59 required 10 year hence or 12 year hence
32:01 when their students move out of the
32:04 school but that is happening and that is the
32:05 the
32:09 reality so uh that is a challenge I
32:11 would say and I don't know what exactly
32:15 the solution to this is as of now okay
32:16 so it's mostly like I think there's no
32:17 set of questions it's just talking to
32:20 the head of school understanding their
32:22 vision and seeing the implementation of
32:24 certain framework what they're doing for
32:26 that exper like you know that learning
32:30 methodology and so on so yeah yes uh so
32:34 uh uh one thing I would say is that
32:38 because of the Frameworks and because of
32:43 the uh the the uh way these boards are
32:46 created there's a general tendency that
32:50 IB board will be doing some things right
32:54 whatever be the case cbsc board unless
32:56 they are putting in some effort they
32:58 would be doing certain things
33:02 traditionally whatever be the case so if
33:05 somebody has to take a broad
33:08 decision uh I would personally
33:11 especially from primary to Middle years
33:13 opt for an IB
33:16 School considering that some things
33:19 because they are coming from the top so
33:21 some things would be aligned whether or
33:23 not the implementation happens at
33:26 whatever level yeah but that is a very
33:28 very Broad
33:31 uh understanding I'm giving that does
33:34 not mean that IB is blindly right or
33:37 wrong yeah understood so uh especially
33:40 like a each curriculum has a different
33:42 language requirements the first language
33:44 second language and so on like maybe the
33:45 third language is there but it might not
33:49 be mandatory in terms of assessment uh
33:51 but it might be mandatory from a state
33:54 level to learn so for kids who have
33:57 grown up uh abroad and who is who are
33:59 not very familiar with some local
34:01 language from a reading and writing uh
34:04 each curriculum has their requirements
34:06 from a language like first language
34:09 second language so some have flexibility
34:13 to choose Spanish or French or not like
34:15 a local language or there might be some
34:17 that requires to be familiar with the
34:20 local language so on a high level on the
34:22 language requirements because a lot of
34:23 people think that IB provides more
34:25 flexibility from a language if somebody
34:27 is not familiar with it um but I don't
34:29 know if it's that is completely true
34:30 because I think I don't know if cbsc
34:32 offers some sort of some flexibility
34:34 also uh so if we can shed some light on
34:36 that I think that would be
34:40 great so now all the board in fact
34:43 English in most of these schools I would
34:46 say is the primary language in which the
34:49 curriculum is taught in almost all the
34:53 schools whether it is IB igcc or
34:57 cbsc uh recently the National Education
35:00 policy which came which also mandates
35:04 the uh introduction of regional language
35:07 especially at the primary level uh for
35:10 children so that is there but I am not
35:12 aware of how many schools are implementing
35:13 implementing
35:17 that uh but language wise I would state
35:19 that because people are coming from
35:22 outside English I assume that everybody
35:26 is comfortable with so all curriculum is
35:29 in English except for for the language
35:31 where apart from English would be a
35:34 mandatory language with English there
35:37 would be one Regional language which uh
35:40 they can opt for or one Regional
35:44 language in cbsa schools might be a must
35:46 so that Regional language would be their
35:49 Region's language and I assume that if
35:51 somebody is settling in Gujarat so they
35:55 have roots in Gujarat so the child might
35:58 not understand Gujarati but the parents
36:01 might be uh familiar with reading and
36:04 writing of Gujarati so but yes with the
36:07 child directly coming in third or fourth
36:10 might be a challenge Because unless
36:11 their parents have made a conscious
36:15 effort to you know in
36:18 Gujarati if they are living outside so
36:20 that would be a challenge but then the
36:24 parent uh will have to help or uh the
36:28 school will have to help or uh some
36:31 external help if required parents can
36:34 take that will have to be there
36:37 otherwise I don't see any challenge uh
36:39 in terms of languages in any of the
36:42 boards got it yeah so that is something
36:45 which is well take taken care of all all
36:49 kind all boards offer flexibility in
36:51 opting for different languages after you
36:54 know if a child wants an additional
36:56 language all these boards have multiple
36:58 options but then
37:00 the limitation comes at the level of the
37:02 school in all three boards so if the
37:05 school is only offering Spanish and
37:07 German then the child cannot off for
37:12 Sanskrit or off for you know uh say
37:15 French if it is not there or of for
37:18 Russian if it is not there that is more
37:20 of a resource problem because every
37:23 school cannot keep a teacher for every
37:26 language but I think the takeaway is
37:28 even cbsc has that flexibility at the
37:31 end it depends on the school uh Which
37:33 languages they want to offer more from a
37:36 resource availability perspective right
37:39 right right got it um so the other
37:42 question I wanted to check with you is
37:44 you know especially someone who is
37:46 learning in a different style right I
37:48 think you a progressive and know
37:49 different ways of learning I think as
37:51 you explained with the different
37:55 curriculums uh how are things post 12th
37:58 grade right in terms of uh studies I
38:00 know it's a general concept that people
38:03 who study in IB most probably study
38:07 abroad you know cbsc is designed to be
38:09 prepared for competitive exams that are
38:11 more applicable for Indian institutions
38:14 and so on so maybe my question is more
38:16 specific on people who have their kids
38:20 in IB or IG CSC how well are they
38:23 prepared for any of the examinations for
38:26 Indian institutions and also do they
38:28 have any options to to study in any
38:30 Indian institutions you know maybe some
38:31 other way not like through this
38:33 competitive examinations or there's some
38:35 institution that offers graduation or
38:38 undergrad or graduation programs in
38:42 India so I'll divide this question in
38:45 two categories for the parents whose
38:47 children are in primary levels whether
38:50 first second third fourth for those
38:53 parents they need not worry because all
38:55 the systems are changing even the you
38:59 know uh for graduation initially it used
39:01 to be marks which are scored in
39:03 different uh in the board which was the
39:08 main primary uh criteria but now slowly
39:10 that has been taken care of now it is
39:13 the exam uh the entrance exam which
39:16 happens and the pattern of entrance exam
39:19 is also getting involved so by the time
39:22 these children reach that level nobody
39:25 is aware what the uh you know exam
39:28 pattern would be but yes
39:31 there's a logical and there's a very uh
39:34 there's a sense that it would go more
39:36 towards practical
39:38 applications which happens in all these
39:41 schools so for for parents who have
39:45 their children in primary uh level I
39:47 don't think there's a need to worry at
39:49 all for the children who for the parents
39:52 whose children are gr six
39:55 onwards so
39:58 uh I would say that
40:02 uh for for parents whose children are in
40:04 9 10th 11
40:09 12th uh yes for going internationally IB
40:12 board is a very good Launchpad in the
40:16 sense that the their curriculum from
40:19 grade 9th is very research oriented and
40:23 very uh very
40:27 rigorous so there a child starts getting
40:29 into to real life projects from grade 9th
40:30 9th
40:33 onwards and very practical knowledge
40:36 they start gaining which is required and
40:38 which is appreciated by universities
40:41 outside so yes it is a
40:45 Launchpad uh there it also becomes a
40:48 challenge because they have not uh
40:50 theyve not gone through the system which
40:53 is required for you know Indian
40:56 universities or getting into engineering
41:00 or medical so yes they face a challenge
41:03 uh there for that they need to overcome
41:06 it by you know other ways like you know
41:09 preparing for the these exams from
41:13 somewhere or that is required uh for
41:16 cbsc school again for the parents whose
41:21 children are in Grade 9 10 11 12 uh the
41:25 the system is such that they uh in fact
41:28 major of majority of these children also
41:33 opt for other classes for entrance exams
41:35 because the course
41:38 curriculum no doubt is on similar lines
41:41 but the level of difficulty or the level
41:44 of complexity is different in fact that
41:48 is one of my concern that uh the level
41:51 of complexity in exams is getting lower
41:55 by the years so that is that is not a
41:58 good sign of Education in general it has
42:02 to test the understanding of the child
42:06 and so which is still not happening okay
42:08 no yeah thanks for that so I know I'm
42:10 just being cognizant about the time I
42:11 know there are a lot more topics that I
42:14 wanted to talk to you especially the
42:16 homeschooling and you know some of the
42:19 things that are evolving in the Indian
42:20 uh you know the system with the
42:22 curriculums and so on uh I'm sure I
42:24 think we will connect again and talk
42:26 about those and I really appreciate you
42:29 taking that time and sharing your
42:30 insights and this is very very helpful
42:33 for all lot of families I think uh to
42:34 have a broad understanding of these
42:36 different curcums what to think about
42:38 what to ask when they're looking for
42:40 schools uh it's a lot of valuable
42:42 Insight from your side so thank you very
42:43 much for taking the time and sharing
42:46 your thoughts on this thank you so much
42:49 Avinash it's my pleasure I would be
42:52 happy to help in whatever way uh it is possible
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