0:00 Regarding the Third Fundamental Truth of the soul,
0:06 being - the soul is the doer of karmas,
0:15 disciple has been thinking about it.
0:19 So, there are two options, either the soul is a doer or the soul is a non-doer;
0:24 two options.
0:30 I'm talking about the disciple's thought process right now.
0:34 If the soul is the doer of karmas,
0:37 meaning, if it acquires karmas, which bind the soul
0:42 and puts the soul in bondage - bandhanma,
0:48 then it might be its nature.
0:52 So, it cannot be destroyed, removed, given away;
0:57 this will continue forever.
1:00 So, if we accept the first option, there is nothing like liberation, because
1:06 it is a nature of the soul to acquire, accumulate karmas and be in bondage.
1:15 If you take the second option - the soul is not the doer,
1:19 then we have four options.
1:21 Who is the doer?
1:23 When you say... Because karma is evident.
1:27 So if it's... if the soul is not the doer, someone has to be the doer.
1:34 So till you don't give these options,
1:37 you cannot even conclude that the soul is non-doer.
1:42 So four options:
1:44 1. The karmas binds the karmas.
1:48 So the past karmas
1:52 inspire the new karmas and they get bound.
1:57 2. Automatically, without any reason, you don't even need the past karmas.
2:03 The new karmas just come;
2:07 I said bang, and get bound, for no reason.
2:10 You don't even need the reason of past karmas.
2:14 Not the soul's effort, not the past karmas; nothing, for no reason - automatically.
2:20 So, that was the second option.
2:24 3. Prakriti - matter does everything, and it seems
2:28 that the purush or the soul, is getting bound, is the doer, but actually,
2:34 it is the prakriti who is doing, and the soul is unbound, unattached, non-doer.
2:40 That was the third option.
2:42 4. God's inspiration - because inspiration is needed for karmas.
2:49 So, if not the matter, because matter cannot inspire,
2:54 soul does not inspire because the soul is unbound according to the disciple,
2:59 so we will need a third agency which inspires.
3:03 So he says, then everything is by God's inspiration.
3:06 So, God's responsible for everything and the soul is non-doer, unbound,
3:12 so no reason to think of liberation because it's not in bondage,
3:19 it's always dependent on the compelling inspiration of God.
3:27 So one, the soul is the doer, but then it becomes the nature
3:31 and the soul is non-doer, then these four options.
3:35 So we saw this, how the Guru resolves this, and one and two - three things we saw.
3:43 So quickly, I'll be asking how the Guru resolved this
3:48 and you will be giving me the words of the verses, by which this doubt gets eliminated.
3:56 Karma j karta karma - karmas do karma (doer), how is this eliminated?
4:01 By which words, of verse 74?
4:07 Hoy na chetan prerna. So, mundane matter cannot inspire,
4:12 it needs the inspiration of the soul -
4:15 'hoy na chetan prerna' solves it.
4:18 Then the second option, karmas automatically get bound - how is this solved?
4:28 Jo chetan kartu nathi, because if there is no soul's inspiration,
4:35 karmas cannot get bound, it can move...
4:39 karma meaning karmic particles, but for practical purposes, I am using karma.
4:44 Karmas can move in the atmosphere, but not get bound and show impact on the soul.
4:53 It can touch the soul, but it won't get bound,
4:56 or it gets bound only by soul's inspiration.
5:02 Correct?
5:05 So hoy na...
5:07 Jo chetan kartu nathi is the answer.
5:10 It is not the nature of the soul.
5:13 It may be a tendency, it may be its capacity to do, so it is doing - doer.
5:20 But it is not the nature of the soul - which words?
5:25 Again, the same thing - jo chetan kartu nathi.
5:28 So, first of all, soul is doing and 'jo' means if,
5:33 if it indulges in likes and dislikes.
5:37 If it is in an equanimous state,
5:40 then no karmas occur, the karmas just touch the soul and go away.
5:45 But if there is likes and dislikes, in the form of...
5:49 inspiration in the form of likes and dislikes, feelings, impure feelings,
5:54 then the karmas, which were just passing, get bound!
5:58 Clear?
5:59 So, now we have another two alternatives, options, queries to solve.
6:08 Two arguments that the disciple had put forth in verse 71
6:13 about the soul not being the doer of karmas. So actually there were three arguments,
6:19 but for the non-doer, there were only two.
6:22 One was about the nature of the soul. So there, the soul is the doer.
6:27 So, two arguments that the disciple had put forth in verse 71
6:31 about the soul not being the doer of karmas
6:35 were resolved perfectly by the Guru in verse 74 and 75.
6:40 Now the solution of the two options presented in verse 72, what was it?
6:46 Atma sada asang - soul is always unattached,
6:48 karey prakriti bandh - matter itself creates bondage ; that Sankhya philosophy;
6:52 Athva Ishwar prerna - or God's inspiration,
6:55 that was by the influence of the Nyay philosophy.
6:59 So now the solution of the two options presented in verse 72
7:03 of the doctrine of doership of prakriti and the doctrine of doership of God;
7:11 either prakriti - matter is the doer, or God is the doer, these were the two...
7:18 will be given in verse 76 and 77. In verse 76, the first one, which I'll be doing now,
7:26 will be negating or explaining the doctrine of the doership of prakriti.
7:33 And the next one will be explaining the doctrine of the doership of God.
7:39 Clear?
7:41 Influenced by the Sankhya philosophy, the disciple said that the soul is non-attached,
7:50 unbound, pure, pristine,
7:53 and prakriti binds karma.
7:56 So prakriti is responsible for the bondage.
8:01 And this is by the influence of which philosophy?
8:04 Sankhya philosophy. The disciple projected the doership of karma on
8:11 prakriti; not on the soul meaning the purush, but on prakriti.
8:16 So, how does the Guru resolve this?
8:18 Explaining the flaw in the disciple's reasoning
8:22 and bringing about the right conviction, the Guru says -
8:51 Keval - absolutely.
8:57 hota asang jo - if the soul is absolutely non-attached.
9:03 Keval - absolutely,
9:06 Asang - non-attached.
9:09 Keval hota asang jo - if the soul, if 'hota jo'
9:15 means if the soul was absolutely non-attached and pure and free.
9:22 Pure, free is not over here, but
9:24 when He says asang, He means pure, free, unbound.
9:30 Bhasat - experience,
9:33 taney na kem - then why is it not experienced by you right now?
9:39 It is pure, right?
9:40 There is no association of karmas, right?
9:43 So, you should be experiencing your soul.
9:46 Why is it not experienced by you?
9:50 Asang chhe. Oh, I thought the Guru was negating this, but He is accepting it!
9:57 Asang chhe parmarthathi -
10:00 soul is non-attached, but from the higher viewpoint, the absolute viewpoint,
10:06 the real viewpoint - the nishchay viewpoint; whichever word you are comfortable with.
10:14 Pan nijbhane tem - but this can be attained when one experiences its pure Self.
10:25 In one line He skips from the inherent nature to the pure state.
10:33 So if you don't know the difference between nature and the state, you'd be confused.
10:39 You'd be lost in this verse.
10:41 So short meaning: If the soul is absolutely, completely, only
10:52 non-attached and pure, without the association of karma,
10:58 then, why is it not experienced by you?
11:03 You should have been able to experience it right from the beginning itself.
11:08 Beginning itself means? At birth.
11:12 Before the First Fundamental Truth started,
11:14 because then you wouldn't have any doubt of the existence of the soul.
11:18 If you are experiencing the soul, you wouldn't be doubting from beginning itself,
11:24 not during the Third Fundamental Truth.
11:27 Because the soul is pure, there is no deluding karma,
11:31 there is no knowledge obscuring karma, nothing is there.
11:34 That's what the disciple is saying - it's unbound, unattached, free, pure;
11:40 then you should have been... bhasat taney - experienced by you.
11:45 You would have been experiencing it since the beginning.
11:48 You would be experiencing right now, listening to me also.
11:52 And...
11:54 you wouldn't even have the doubt of the First Fundamental
11:58 regarding the existence of the soul, because you have an experiential evidence.
12:05 You didn't have, so the doubt.
12:08 The doubt was cleared, still you said the existence of the soul seems a possibility -
12:12 because I yet don't have the experience.
12:15 But if it was pure, you would be experiencing it already,
12:20 not during Self-realisation or Omniscience.
12:24 You would be experiencing...
12:25 Because then there would be nothing like stages of spiritual development only -
12:28 first to fourteen.
12:30 It is pure in the first also, it's pure in the fourth,
12:33 it is pure in the 14th, in the state of liberation; everywhere;
12:36 so, you wouldn't need so many stages of development.
12:41 You understand?
12:42 So again, if the soul is absolutely non-attached and pure;
12:47 meaning, without the association of karma, then why is it not experienced by you?
12:52 You should have been able to experience it right from the beginning itself.
12:57 It is non-attached, but from the absolute viewpoint.
13:04 From the relative viewpoint, it becomes absolutely non-attached, say, liberated,
13:12 only when it experiences the true Self,
13:15 abides in it, and gets rid of all the karmic bondages.
13:22 When he experiences his Self - the fourth stage of spiritual development.
13:27 He abides - atmasthirta - abidance in the Self;
13:30 that was atmajnan - experiencing.
13:34 And then the awareness, the
13:37 abidance in the Self means, fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth etc.
13:44 And then you get rid of the bondages and when you get rid of the last particle -
13:50 the state where this no contact with a single particle.
13:57 Maulikji had explained in Apurva Avsar; the last particle you get rid of
14:02 and you are in complete liberated state.
14:06 Liberated state - siddhahood, accomplished, absolutely liberated.
14:15 So, its nature - the nature of the soul is completely unattached right now,
14:21 but the state of the soul will be absolutely unattached, when he abides in the soul,
14:31 when he experiences his soul, when he abides in his soul,
14:35 and when he gets rid of all the karmic bondages.
14:37 So beautifully explained.
14:45 In order to explain the concept of the soul,
14:50 the Guru clarifies here...
14:54 You must know two things - the inherent nature of the soul
15:03 and its current state.
15:06 Two things you should be knowing, then you would know,
15:10 you would understand the concept of soul.
15:14 See the beautiful word used in the first verse of Shri Atmasiddhi Shastra,
15:20 'Je swaroop samjya vina' - without understanding the swaroop of the Self.
15:25 Swaroop means both -
15:29 the nature, the eternal nature, which was there, is, and will always be;
15:36 the nature of the soul, and,
15:39 and the different
15:42 states which modify, and finally becomes a pure state.
15:47 So, both the things.
15:54 Swaroop
15:57 means its swabhav - inherent nature, and its capacity to modify, states; so both.
16:10 So He didn't use 'Je swabhav samjya vina'.
16:13 When you know the nature of the soul, the inherent nature only...
16:18 You need to know the whole constitution.
16:20 What is its nature?
16:22 What is its capacities?
16:24 How does it modify? What is its current state?
16:27 What state it can achieve; everything.
16:31 When you know everything...
16:32 So in 'je swaroop' I think all the Six Fundamental Truths come.
16:38 Only in these two words - 'je swaroop'; 'je' being, it can be for both
16:43 matter and consciousness, but here we are interested in consciousness
16:47 so 'je' would mean the soul.
16:51 So two things - 1. Inherent nature,
16:55 which maybe we have not perceived; read, heard, but not perceived.
17:01 But it is perceived by the Enlightened Ones!
17:04 And They say the inherent nature of the soul is eternal,
17:10 endless,
17:13 pure,
17:15 beyond the manifold varieties of earthly expressions -
17:22 humans, animals, celestial beings, hellish beings, angry people, peaceful people;
17:27 beyond the manifold varieties of earthly expressions and experiences.
17:37 So this is the inherent nature, which is perceived by the Enlightened Ones.
17:45 And 2. The present state, the current state,
17:51 which is filled with frailties and flaws,
17:58 meaning
17:59 weaknesses
18:02 and defects, or say impurities,
18:06 and in this state, it is the doer of karmas.
18:13 So whenever bondage occurs, it is by the soul's inspiration,
18:21 which is - the soul's capacity to do it, rather it has become a tendency to do it,
18:28 but it is not its inherent nature.
18:33 You can boil the water and make it hot
18:37 but what is the nature of water?
18:43 If you don't do anything, it will become cool.
18:47 If you do something, means boil it, you will see the state - hot;
18:54 changing into cold or hotter, anything.
18:59 It can be more impure also, it can turn towards purity,
19:03 but what is the inherent nature of the soul?
19:07 Shitalta - coolness.
19:10 So the Guru clarifies all this in these two lines, and so beautifully!
19:17 Keval hota asang - if the soul is absolutely non-attached.
19:19 So while presenting his case
19:22 of the doership of the soul,
19:26 the disciple had described the soul as
19:30 pure and unattached; which words?
19:34 Atma sada asang ne. We don't want who is the. ..
19:40 we don't want to know anything about prakriti - matter, right now.
19:44 We don't want to know anything about prakriti, and its doership and its functions
19:50 and its capacities; we don't want to know anything.
19:52 We just want to know about the purush or the soul. So what had he said?
19:58 Atma sada; so atma means soul, sada - always, completely, absolutely.
20:07 Asang - unattached, non-attached.
20:12 No association with body or karmas, and here we need karma, so forget the body.
20:18 No association! That's what the disciple had argued - that soul is always non-attached.
20:27 And this is because the Sankhya philosophy believes in the soul as absolutely pure,
20:33 unbound, non-attached.
20:36 The Vedanta philosophy calling soul as Brahma
20:41 and believes that Brahma is completely or say absolutely pure,
20:47 and unbound, non-attached.
20:51 So because of the influence of Sankhya, Vedanta etc., he starts arguing or presenting
21:00 his thought processes
21:02 by saying that, "everyone is saying"; everyone means these two, okay?
21:10 "Everyone is saying the soul is pure, the soul is pure".
21:15 This is what the disciple had presented;
21:18 when he was presenting his case, he had said this, he had argued it.
21:25 And the Guru says, "Of course!".
21:29 So, one more trait we learn; how do we... how should we communicate.
21:36 How should we be when there is a dispute or disagreement -
21:42 first, accept the right thing, then explain the wrong thing.
21:49 First, accept the right.
21:51 He's saying, "Of course the soul is pure!"
21:55 So first response is of acceptance;
22:02 not explanation also, not negation also.
22:07 Acceptance; anekantvada - doctrine of multiplicity of viewpoints, says
22:12 it should be with ahimsa - in a non-violent manner
22:15 So first, you should know the viewpoint and accept it,
22:21 then you are practising ahimsa;
22:24 then explain the other viewpoint and practise anekant- multiplicity of viewpoints.
22:30 First practise ahimsa!
22:34 Don't start with, "I disagree with you".
22:37 First say where you agree with him.
22:43 I've uncovered something completely different from this verse,
22:45 there is nothing like...
22:47 but I learned this from this verse.
22:52 First ahimsa, then anekant.
22:54 So first say, "Correct, the soul is pure", but in His mind, He says,
22:59 "Yes, his nature is pure; its current state is not pure; it is impure".
23:03 Do you all agree? Impurity, have you experienced impurity?
23:08 Or are you experiencing impurity right now?
23:12 'I'm not understanding this confusing thing' - that itself is an impurity.
23:18 It's ignorance, what else? That is also impurity.
23:23 Correct?
23:24 Then suddenly you get a thought that if He explains this way, He's going to take
23:31 at least till 12:30.
23:36 So another impure feeling; so all this impure feeling - what is it?
23:41 Your soul is unbound.
23:43 It's non-attached, not influenced by karmas or situations or person or anything;
23:50 The soul is peaceful, pure and powerful.
23:54 So where is that powerful soul who should not get influenced?
23:58 Where is that peaceful soul who should not get all these thoughts?
24:04 Where is that pure soul who feels, 'what is the need of knowing all this?'
24:12 You understand?
24:13 So in His mind, He knows that when I'm agreeing, I'm agreeing
24:17 to the inherent nature of the soul.
24:22 And then say, but I disagree,
24:25 if you are speaking that the state of the soul is pure right now, in the present.
24:33 Because I'm experiencing, I cannot say this is maya - illusion.
24:38 This impurity is also what I am experiencing.
24:43 Mithya - false, in the sense it's not my nature, correct!
24:48 But if you say that this state is also mithya, then you are mithya.
24:53 You're talking mithya.
24:56 You're talking mrusha - lying. Mrushavada - speaking - vada, mrusha - lying, wrong.
25:05 But your attitude should be such - first accept.
25:09 So the first... the Guru accepts,
25:12 you said, 'the soul is always unattached,' and I agree.
25:19 It is always pure in its nature.
25:22 Always pure. 'Sada - always' you said - I agree.
25:26 But the moment you use the word keval -
25:30 it is only pure, absolutely pure, completely pure, I negate.
25:42 And then He gives why. He explains - then why is it not experienced by you?
25:46 Keval hota asang jo - if the soul is absolutely non-attached. Sada asang, I agree,
25:53 Sada asang - I agree, because the nature remains always, so sada asang;
25:59 but if you are saying: that's the concept of the soul, that's the definition of the soul -
26:04 that the soul is always pure.
26:07 So keval if you use, only that one word, keval - absolutely;
26:14 not differentiating between the nature, the eternal nature, and the current state.
26:20 If you don't differentiate and you say, 'That's it, it's only pure!',
26:25 how do you account of this anger and lust, and what do you say about that?
26:30 These impure feelings emerge from the soul.
26:34 So those who want to keep the soul only pure, will say all this is of mind and intellect.
26:42 But then you'll have to prove that...
26:44 Mind and intellect are non-living,
26:47 and if they are non-living, how can they have feelings?
26:52 You are seeing the contradiction?
26:55 You can consider them non-living, but then you can't keep the feelings there.
27:00 If you keep it in the living, you cannot say absolutely pure.
27:06 You understand?
27:07 If you want to put it here,
27:09 you cannot say soul is 'always' in the sense of 'only'; you cannot say this!
27:14 If you want to say - soul is different and the body, mind, intellect,
27:18 everything is different; fine. Then you can't put feelings there.
27:22 Because if feelings can arise in the mind and the intellect, and not in the body,
27:27 then you are differentiating between two non-living entities.
27:31 So one category of non-living matter has no feelings - the body.
27:35 One category of non-living matter, which is the mind, intellect - have feelings.
27:42 You understand the confusion?
27:45 Have I been successful in confusing you?
27:48 Have I been successful? This is a wonderful question.
27:51 You can't do anything, but just stay like this.
27:55 If you say "Yes, you have been successful", means I have confused you, I've not solved.
28:01 And if I have solved your problem, then I'm not successful.
28:07 So at times you just have to sit like this.
28:10 Vivekananda; you should not nod your head for anything.
28:14 You understand?
28:15 How beautifully,
28:16 just by using 'atma sada asang - the soul is always unattached' that I accept,
28:21 but now if you say 'absolutely unattached';
28:25 absolutely;
28:25 means you are not differentiating between the nature and the state
28:31 and considering it pure only; always, only, absolutely, completely;
28:38 these four words will be asked in the quiz.
28:42 1. Only pure, 2. Absolutely pure, 3. Always pure, 4. Completely pure.
28:50 I think completely and absolutely are the very apt words.
28:55 Because 'always pure' - of course, it's always pure; the nature is always pure.
29:00 But 'only' if you say, that purity is the definition of the soul...
29:09 So the Guru says, of course you are right,
29:13 sada asang - always unattached, but only from a certain perspective.
29:19 He is not yet saying nature and state and... all this, I have said.
29:25 Param Krupalu Dev has not said.
29:26 Param Krupalu Dev has said, only from a certain perspective you are right.
29:31 Not completely. See, how beautifully the Guru explains.
29:37 If the soul is always, absolutely, completely non-attached,
29:46 meaning, without the association of karmas, without the influence of the karmas,
29:53 association and influence.
29:58 If it's completely without the influence of karmas,
30:02 bhasat taney na kem - why is it not experienced by you?
30:05 If the soul is absolutely non-attached, then why is it not experienced by you?
30:08 Then why are you unable to experience that pure Self now?
30:16 Why all this routine of spiritual practices? Sorry, culture.
30:20 It is culture, but sometimes we get tired and bored, we say what is all this routine?
30:26 Wake up in the morning and perform Devvandan; evening also Devvandan,
30:29 bhakti in the morning, bhakti in the evening;
30:32 and the same routine of scriptural studies and offering service; same thing.
30:36 Why do you need? You are already a pure soul!
30:38 Why are you unable to experience it now?
30:42 You should be experiencing it from the beginning; beginning means verse 44.
30:51 When it was said, soul exists, it is eternal, etc.
30:55 And you say, "Of course it's right. I am experiencing it."
31:00 There wouldn't be verse 45.
31:03 You could go straight to 'Aho! Aho! Shri Sadguru' - thanksgiving only.
31:07 So why weren't you experiencing from the beginning?
31:12 When you have an experiential evidence, then why did you utter, in verse 45?
31:20 Why did you doubt the existence?
31:22 Cannot be seen, its form is unknown,
31:25 cannot be experienced by any other senses, hence it does not exist.
31:28 You already had an experiential evidence.
31:33 However,
31:38 such a non-attached pure soul is not experienced, and that is the fact.
31:47 Right? It's not experienced.
31:51 So it is evident that the soul certainly has the association of the veil of karma.
32:00 You would say that the veil of karma is such that I can't experience my Self.
32:06 I am but I can't experience.
32:11 This handkerchief is coming to be of great use.
32:18 Is the clock here or not?
32:20 Are you able to see it? (No.)
32:22 Why?
32:24 Why, Dr. Mansi?
32:27 It's covered, concealed; there is a veil.
32:31 So this veil of karma prevents us from experiencing the pure Self.
32:36 So it is evident that there is an association,
32:40 rather, influence of the karma on the soul.
32:45 Correct?
32:46 So all this what I said comes only in the first line;
32:49 keval hota... keval - if it is absolutely non-attached and pure,
32:56 why is it not experienced by you?
32:59 Only those which are bound by karmas are not experiencing,
33:02 but you are saying it's unbound,
33:05 absolutely unbound. Then you should have experienced it from the beginning, not now!
33:12 Then why did you waste my time? First Fundamental and Second Fundamental;
33:17 you could have saved so much time, so much money, that we spent in two Yajnas.
33:24 Atma chhe, atma nitya chhe - existing and everlastingness of the soul.
33:29 You would have experienced.
33:31 Therefore it cannot be said that the soul is completely non-attached
33:40 or absolutely non-attached
33:44 because we are experiencing the veil of say ignorance,
33:49 or say karmas, or say passions, whatever!
33:54 Correct?
33:56 And now what does He say? Asang chhe - soul is non-attached.
33:59 The moment that fellow is convinced it's not asang,
34:03 the moment he's convinced now, that the soul is not without the association of karmas,
34:11 not totally pure, not non-attached;
34:16 the moment he is convinced, what does the Guru say? It is non-attached.
34:23 It is non-attached - you can put comma. It is non-attached,
34:27 and now how do you explain this? Very very simple.
34:32 There are two viewpoints - the absolute viewpoint and the relative viewpoint.
34:36 I'll take one minute of yours. The two viewpoints:
34:41 absolute viewpoint, relative viewpoint.
34:46 The real viewpoint, the practical viewpoint.
34:51 The real viewpoint, the practical viewpoint - nishchay nay, vyavahar nay.
34:58 So what is true? No, both are true in their ways. Why?
35:02 Because this focusses...
35:07 This viewpoint focusses on the nature.
35:11 This viewpoint focusses on the state of the soul.
35:16 Nature of the soul, state of the soul.
35:19 It may happen that... Is there anyone in the audience who has very long hair?
35:26 Stand up and come ahead.
35:29 Her hair, braids?
35:31 (Wonderful.)
35:33 Wonderful... Skin?
35:36 (Okay.)
35:37 So, is she okay or is she wonderful?
35:41 Come on now, don't confuse me. Just tell me, is she okay or is she wonderful?
35:47 You may say as loudly as You want, but we'll say both.
35:52 It depends from which viewpoint you are seeing this lady.
35:58 If you are talking, if you are focussing on the nature, we will say pure,
36:03 pure and only pure; absolutely pure.
36:12 And if you say my current state, so you will say impure.
36:19 If you say Param Krupalu Dev's current state, again, you will say pure, pure and only pure.
36:31 Thank you.
36:36 So, when the focus is only at different places;
36:39 either on the chotla - braids, or on the cheeks. C-C. This will come!
36:50 So if the focus is on the braids, the answer is absolutely pure, say nature.
36:56 And if the focus is on the cheeks, then you will say, if she put some efforts...
37:03 if you put forth true efforts...
37:05 If you want to attain the supreme truth, make true efforts.
37:14 So the Guru does not have to do a lot of spiritual practices to accept that fellow.
37:20 When we come across someone whose opinion is diverse or opposite,
37:28 just to accept them, we have to actually
37:31 recollect the words of the Enlightened Ones;
37:34 'Oh God, give me strength to see good in this person'.
37:38 But the Guru does not. Guru has a very nice gear system; automatic gear,
37:45 automatic!
37:52 If He wants to ensure that he's not offended, then He will switch the gear that way,
37:56 and if that person is a seeker and wants to know the complete truth,
38:00 then whatever he's missing out..
38:04 The ignorant person... this is the main problem of ignorance;
38:08 it only wants to hold one.
38:11 Either the soul is absolutely pure or the soul is absolutely bound.
38:18 Both are true,
38:20 but, either you want to hold this, or this,
38:25 and that becomes a partial truth, which is false.
38:30 This way you cannot attain Self-realisation.
38:33 You may be so right in your viewpoint,
38:35 but considering it the complete description of the soul; complete, you become wrong.
38:44 So see the beauty - all this nature, state; nothing, no word is mentioned here,
38:51 and still everything I'm taking out from this verse only.
38:57 Keval hota - if it's absolutely non-attached - asang,
39:01 why isn't it experienced by you?
39:03 Simple logic. Why logic also? Experience!
39:07 What you can experience now? That I can't experience the soul.
39:11 That is your experience right now. So you can't be absolutely pure.
39:16 Why aren't you experiencing your soul? Because you are impure.
39:20 Don't think so much, everything is in the verse.
39:23 Because you are impure, you can't. Why are you impure?
39:27 Because you are bound by karmas.
39:29 So, who acquired all these karmas?
39:32 You! Then you are the doer; finished.
39:39 Now, see the beauty in the last three words, asang chhe - soul is non-attached!
39:45 He accepts it, soul is non-attached, parmarthathi - from the absolute viewpoint,
39:50 which focusses on the nature only.
39:55 Nishchay nay focusses on the nature of the soul only, so it is non-attached only.
40:02 Yes, when my binoculars, my camera is on the nature of the soul,
40:08 I am finding it satyam - truth, anantam - infinite; I'm finding it pure,
40:13 I'm finding it blissful, pure, peaceful, powerful; everything.
40:18 So the mantra was
40:19 from the absolute viewpoint - I am a pure, peaceful, powerful soul.
40:26 In the morning you said Kshamapana; 'Oh Lord, I have forgotten too much, I am a sinner',
40:32 and after 10 minutes you are saying, I am a pure, peaceful, powerful soul. Are you...
40:39 No, that was from that viewpoint, absolute viewpoint,
40:43 that was from the practical viewpoint or the viewpoint which focusses on my current
40:49 states.
40:50 So I am helpless, I'm a sinner,
40:53 I am roaming aimlessly, am lowest of the low;
40:56 yes.
40:57 But now I don't want you to cry,
41:00 I want you to change your focus to your pure, inherent, eternal nature.
41:06 So, now what will you say?
41:08 Now try to say 'I am a sinner',
41:11 'I am helpless, shelterless' - you will not.
41:16 You will have to say I am pure, peaceful, powerful; and Param Krupalu Dev's command -
41:21 by reflecting over the nature of the soul in such a way, one can attain omniscience.
41:29 Not 'I'm the lowest of the low, lowest of the low',
41:32 that was only the first station - introspection.
41:36 Then I talked about the second station - contemplation;
41:39 I am a pure, peaceful, powerful soul.
41:42 So from, 'I am a sinner, helpless, bad-tempered etc.',
41:45 you came to 'I'm pure, peaceful, powerful',
41:48 and then you go beyond this in meditation and you...
41:53 So that's what is there - pan nijbhane tem;
41:57 nijbhane - on experiencing the pure Self and abiding in that awareness,
42:08 you can actually become non-attached.
42:13 Meaning, you get rid of karmas and at that particular moment, your state is karmaless.
42:20 Nature was karmaless only, but now your state is karmaless.
42:27 Fantastic, isn't it? Okay, so...
42:32 From the absolute viewpoint, focusing on the nature, you are asang - non-attached.
42:38 But, current state - you are full of impurities.
42:43 But, when the soul realises its pure nature,
42:48 when the soul experiences its flawless nature, and abides in it,
42:56 it starts getting rid of karmas - the karmic bondage,
43:01 to the extent at one point - end of 14th stage of spiritual development,
43:07 it is devoid, it is totally karmaless.
43:12 And so, from the vyavaharik viewpoint, practical viewpoint, relative viewpoint also,
43:18 he becomes asang - non-attached.
43:21 Its nature was non-attached from the absolute viewpoint, even now.
43:28 But its state becomes non-attached, when? When he experiences,
43:33 pan nijbhane tem - when he experiences his true nature; meaning Self-realisation.
43:40 The process starts from Self-realisation,
43:42 ends at attainment of liberation.
43:45 Little by little, the karmas are reduced until reaching the karmaless state.
43:51 Isn't it wonderful?
43:55 So it can be concluded, at present the state of the soul is impure, tainted.
44:06 At present the state... Again.
44:09 At present, the nature of the soul is impure.
44:15 Pure? Oh, okay!
44:17 At present, the state of the soul is impure, tainted.
44:23 So because of that, it continues to indulge
44:28 in cravings and aversions - likes, dislikes, simple; because the current state is impure.
44:38 And because this impurity of the soul
44:42 is instrumental in acquiring the karmic material, particles,
44:48 therefore, the soul is the doer of karmas.
44:53 That's what was needed to be proved. At present, it definitely is.
44:58 Clear?
44:59 Let's sing.