0:03 the jurogan experience you had
0:07 uh you had encounters with bob lazar
0:11 you you know bob and you you were around
0:14 when bob lazar first uh now is this
0:16 going to be all about the mylar balloon event
0:17 event
0:18 what's the mylar balloon event oh you
0:20 don't know that one no
0:25 uh so we all jump in my car
0:28 to go out to the alien inn
0:31 area out there you know on the alien inn
0:32 is that uh
0:34 out there yeah it's like a north bar or
0:35 something yes
0:38 for uh north of that area and so
0:42 so bob lazar
0:44 um george knapp myself and i think jane huff
0:45 huff
0:47 who is bob's friend we all go out there
0:49 well i'm being honest to me
0:52 bob has a mylar balloon which really
0:54 bounces their radar signature
0:58 a lot for its size and
1:02 a bottle of gas uh helium
1:05 so uh we we find our way back out in the desert
1:06 desert
1:07 out there we're kind of i'm thinking
1:10 we're on a a ufo watch which is
1:13 always fun sometimes the best thing is
1:14 the food you take along
1:16 right and you're out there under the
1:17 stars and it's nice and
1:22 you have a good time just watching so
1:24 but there's a rustle of things going on
1:25 here and
1:27 next thing i know there's a balloon this
1:29 mylar balloon's inflated
1:32 and there's a slight breeze and bob lets
1:33 it go
1:35 and we're on the opposite side of the
1:38 mountain range from supposedly s4
1:42 and he wants he wants to go that way
1:44 thank god the wind was going the
1:46 opposite direction was traveling north
1:47 instead of south
1:50 and it went the wrong way you know so
1:50 i'm thinking
1:52 my life's just passed before my eyes why
1:54 do you think you'll like pass before
1:55 your eyes because if the balloon goes
1:56 towards area s4 it's going to get picked up
1:57 up
1:58 yeah they're going to go find out where
2:00 it came from security is going to come
2:01 get us and i'm going to spend the night
2:02 in jail
2:06 right so you know it all just unraveled
2:07 real quick
2:09 and was this before bob had gotten in
2:10 trouble for bringing people to the
2:12 observation point
2:13 to watch because let's let's tell the
2:15 story about bob real quick bob
2:18 said he worked for area s4 and he was
2:19 hired to
2:21 back engineer what they believe were
2:23 alien crafts along
2:25 the lines he had this top secret
2:26 clearance and along the lines of all
2:27 this happening
2:29 they're monitoring his phone calls turns
2:30 out bob's wife
2:32 is having an affair bob doesn't know
2:34 about this
2:35 they removed him from the project
2:36 because they believe he'll be
2:37 emotionally unstable
2:40 if he's so he's he's freaking out not
2:42 knowing a that his wife is having an
2:44 affair not knowing why he's pulled from
2:44 this project
2:46 doesn't totally understand so starts
2:48 telling people about what he's doing
2:50 and telling people listen i can take you
2:52 to a place where once a week they do
2:53 these tests
2:54 so he starts bringing people to this
2:56 area they see these
3:00 objects flying in these spectacular ways
3:02 that we really can't do with any of our
3:04 conventional aircrafts and then bob gets
3:05 in trouble for that
3:08 then bob goes on the george knapp show
3:10 and starts explaining all these
3:12 different things presumably for self-preservation
3:13 self-preservation
3:16 because he the best way to probably
3:17 protect your own life
3:19 is to go public with this and explain
3:20 everything that's happening
3:22 and they can discredit you and make you
3:24 look like a nut but if they kill you
3:26 then you know then it leads credence to
3:28 your story
3:30 yeah it gives you a very a huge hardship
3:32 so when do you kill you when do you fall
3:34 into the story
3:36 well you've just given me an overload of
3:37 information now that i'm pretty much
3:39 aware of
3:41 but i don't know exactly when i don't
3:45 think as i recall it
3:48 everybody was pretty much at ease and um
3:50 i wasn't it wasn't part of what year is
3:52 this that this is all going on oh god
3:56 um i don't know 91.
3:58 so this is around that time this is
4:00 around when was he on george knapp's
4:03 show yeah somewhere in that time frame
4:05 but i wasn't aware of a lot until much until
4:07 until
4:08 i don't think at that time i was aware
4:10 of him taking people out on
4:13 you know wednesday nights to go see
4:14 something out
4:16 there i kind of missed out on that or
4:17 whatever and
4:19 um i don't think this was anything like
4:20 connected to that
4:23 i think that that was before this yeah
4:24 probably that was
4:26 i think you're dealing with him out
4:28 after you know he had met george and
4:31 after he had told the story yeah because
4:32 george is with you
4:33 oh yeah yeah so obviously they had
4:35 already met oh sure um
4:39 so what was your initial
4:40 obviously you're a person that has a
4:42 deep fascination with ufos
4:44 now here you are talking to this guy
4:46 who's clearly a genius
4:48 brilliant guy bob lazar and he's telling
4:49 you this
4:52 [ __ ] banana story he's out there back
4:54 engineering spacecrafts that came from
4:56 another land
5:00 that are that are using this element 115
5:01 this this stuff that's just a
5:02 theoretical element that wasn't even
5:05 proven by particle collider until what 2013
5:06 2013
5:08 somewhere along that line like it was
5:09 just theoretical up to that point so
5:11 he's telling you about all this stuff
5:14 what was your what did you think
5:18 um i i
5:20 wanted to reserve judgment until i knew
5:21 a lot more
5:25 and um the more he talked
5:29 the more interesting it became the more
5:31 research that george did things that he
5:34 uncovered it became more interesting
5:38 and and so um
5:41 as i said a while back i think george
5:42 was doing an interview with me and i
5:42 said i
5:46 i wouldn't bet against bob's the truth
5:48 of the majority of of everything that
5:49 bob has said
5:52 i wouldn't bet against it could they be
5:54 arizona missions for different reasons
5:58 yeah sure that could but um
6:01 the the uh i
6:04 i would tend to say bob is
6:07 is legitimate um and
6:10 uh you know i don't there's certain
6:11 aspects of things
6:15 that are parts of stories that you
6:16 wonder well how could this happen
6:18 and so forth but i think if you if you
6:20 take all of the collective
6:22 information and the work that george
6:23 knapp has done
6:26 to validate things it's awfully damn impressive
6:27 impressive
6:28 but george is such an important part of
6:30 it because he's a legitimate
6:31 investigative journalist
6:35 and that was his career and so he
6:37 poured himself into this oh yeah and exposed
6:38 exposed
6:41 all the different aspects of this story
6:44 that seemed to indicate that he's
6:45 telling the truth
6:47 oh yes yeah and that's that's what's
6:48 crazy about it and george is not any
6:49 normal journalist
6:53 he is he's like what he has like six pea
6:54 bodies yes he's fantastic
6:56 and he's diving into this and the more
6:58 he uncovers the more it seems like bob
7:01 bobbles our story is legitimate right right
7:02 right
7:05 so i i think until you i like
7:08 the philosophy of reserving judgment
7:09 until you have
7:11 a preponderance of evidence that really
7:12 moves you
7:13 one way or another you don't have to
7:16 have a hundred percent i go by
7:18 reasonable doubt but what was it like
7:20 for you to be this guy who's had this deep
7:20 deep
7:23 fascination with flying saucers and here
7:24 you are
7:26 talk let me tell you my experience with
7:28 bob doing the podcast with bob
7:30 i wanted one of two things i wanted to
7:31 go oh this guy's full of [ __ ]
7:36 or i wanted whoa this guy's
7:38 it seems like he's not full [ __ ] i think
7:40 he's telling the truth
7:42 i think this guy really did encounter
7:43 these aircrafts and really did
7:45 work on these spaceships whatever they
7:48 are that's what where i'm at right now
7:50 my experience with him my communication
7:51 with him he didn't seem like he's full
7:52 [ __ ] at all
7:55 he's clearly a brilliant guy his story
7:56 has not
7:59 changed at all over the 30 plus
8:01 years that he's been saying it it's a
8:03 crazy story
8:06 but when you're a person like yourself
8:09 me you saw me even more than i who
8:12 is obsessed with this subject this the
8:14 possibility of alien life that has visited
8:14 visited
8:17 visited this earth and and maybe even
8:18 left crafts behind
8:21 and maybe these crafts are in the
8:22 possession of some
8:24 secret government agencies that are
8:26 trying to observe them and back engineer them
8:27 them
8:29 what is it like to talk to this guy to
8:30 this because this guy has seen the thing
8:31 you're looking for
8:34 this guy the all the you're you're
8:35 searching and
8:36 all of your wondering and staring out
8:39 into the heavens and here's a guy
8:42 that has actually touched it actually
8:43 worked on it been inside one
8:45 tried to figure out how they work can't
8:47 do it doesn't understand it
8:48 it's talking to these people
8:49 everything's compartmentalized you got
8:51 the metallurgist people that are working
8:51 on the
8:53 the what what kind of alloy this thing
8:55 is made of you got him
8:56 who's a part of the people that are
8:57 trying to understand the propulsion system
8:58 system
9:00 and then you've got people that are
9:02 giving you this information that like
9:06 maybe they have uh been here forever
9:07 maybe this is a part of an
9:09 archaeological dig maybe
9:10 they've been trying to study these
9:12 things for decades with no
9:16 no advancement at all yeah so
9:22 myself and a couple other people came
9:23 across folks
9:26 who could collaborate some of the things
9:26 going on
9:30 out there um such as
9:33 silent craft actually lifting off
9:36 at night time um not looking
9:41 as though the control was very good
9:44 but actually lifting off maneuvering
9:45 like a real
9:50 and that fellow observed it from a
9:53 distance where he wasn't supposed to be
9:55 uh george has come up with with
9:57 collaboration i think from
9:59 two or three other sources also besides
10:00 what bob said
10:02 about certain aspects of things out
10:04 there it's just that bob's story
10:08 is so much more in depth so much more
10:10 detailed like that book
10:13 that he talked about years ago coming across
10:15 across
10:18 um uh amazing things so what tell people
10:19 about the book
10:21 well there was a there was a book as i remember
10:22 remember
10:25 there was some kind of a book that
10:30 bob um was allowed to look through
10:32 or he actually or he sees the
10:34 opportunity to do it
10:36 when he was in a room where the book was
10:39 but i think that was by design
10:42 and it was some kind of a holographic book
10:42 book
10:45 that as you opened up the pages whatever
10:46 the stories were
10:49 became a hologram that's my recollection
10:52 of a conversation that's decades old now
10:56 so um um
10:58 you know if i got it wrong fire me
11:00 that's it's you know it's
11:02 you'll have to talk to bob about that
11:04 would you or talk to george
11:06 okay and uh because i remember something
11:07 like that i mean that was like
11:10 wow what a what an amazing way
11:14 to portray information in some kind
11:16 of a book and actually have holographic images
11:18 images
11:20 coming forth out of the you know i don't
11:21 know it just was
11:26 so that uh i haven't ever heard of that
11:28 being repeated any place in terms of
11:30 something else like that happening
11:34 and so much that happened to bob
11:36 it was so unique there was also some
11:37 very strange
11:42 summary of what they understand uh or
11:43 what they believe to be true
11:46 about the origins of human beings and
11:47 that they
11:50 believed that what these visitations
11:52 were about was that human beings are the
11:54 product of accelerated evolution
11:57 and that these species from wherever had
11:58 been coming here
12:01 and doing genetic experience experiments with
12:02 with
12:05 primates and created human beings
12:08 which is the ultimate like who knows
12:10 like wow that's fun to think about
12:11 but we were talking about this last
12:13 night like how bizarre
12:16 humans are that out of all these things
12:18 on earth we're the only ones with shoes
12:20 and all these things we're the only ones
12:21 that have to wear clothes
12:23 we're the only ones would jump into
12:26 metal boxes with rubber tires and roll
12:27 around these hard surfaces that we created
12:28 created
12:31 or flying planes or send video through
12:32 your phone to other people that are on
12:33 the other side of the continent
12:36 we're weird we're real weird we're way
12:39 weirder than anything else that exists
12:42 and if we are really a product of some
12:44 sort of accelerated process
12:48 like that this is how they get the party
12:50 started on these planets they find
12:52 semi-intelligent curious animals that
12:54 are using tools or using
12:58 you know opposable thumbs and uh
13:07 yeah they there's a large variety of
13:11 of uh potential um
13:15 beginnings um more evidence for some
13:17 than others right
13:19 so that's that's always the trick have
13:20 you considered that
13:22 is this like a subject that you've
13:26 deeply considered and thought about
13:29 not really really i'm here
13:31 i don't want to look a gift horse in the
13:33 face i'll take it for what it is
13:37 you know really yeah i mean
13:39 i think about it a lot i don't know i i think
13:41 think
13:44 i need more more evidence to
13:47 be more curious about i'm more concerned
13:48 about other kinds of
13:51 things that are now than where the human
13:53 species come from particularly
13:55 i'm more driven by other kinds of things
13:58 that could make a difference today
14:01 going forward so getting back to the bob
14:02 lazar thing when you first got to know
14:03 him when you first were
14:05 considering the story and how crazy it
14:07 was what was it like
14:11 to to meet a guy who at least
14:14 by his own accounts had encountered this
14:17 thing that you were seeking
14:20 well bob's a likable guy he as you said
14:21 he's very smart
14:23 and so he's interesting to talk to right
14:24 yeah and
14:27 um and so
14:29 that's more than just entertaining to
14:31 listen to his story
14:34 is profound right so it gives you an
14:36 awful lot to think about
14:40 and to try to to
14:42 position as to how can you measure
14:44 future information you might get against
14:46 that story
14:48 how can you verify different kinds of
14:49 things and
14:54 uh so i i
14:56 i've heard a lot more silly things i
14:57 think than
15:00 then what bob was talking about didn't
15:01 seem all that
15:05 um ridiculous and then the more you get
15:06 to talk to him the more you get to know him
15:07 him
15:09 and and people like george who's an
15:12 investigative journalist
15:16 it gets more and more wow
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