This content is a heated debate between two individuals with opposing views on nutrition and fitness, primarily focusing on the effectiveness and health implications of high-carbohydrate, low-fat diets versus low-carbohydrate, high-fat or carnivore diets.
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What's up, durian liar? Are you still
angry at me for what I said in the past?
Okay, gang, welcome to the video. What
does that say? Yo, remember the old hat
from 2011. Boom. Body fat check. 72
kilos. Lean, bro. It's uh November 2nd,
2025. This is a dinner meal.
>> And um face forwards. What What do you
have there? Some chicken curry with rice.
rice.
>> We're having as much as I want. Got some
frozen veg in there. White rice,
ketchup, sugar, water. Boom. Super lean.
White rice, ketchup, sugar, water.
What? How can you How can you think that
that's healthy? Like, is rice is going
to regenerate your skin or something or
skin cells. It's going to help you
generate new skin cells.
It's It's clearly not the case.
>> Full glycogen positioning meal. Uh, this
is I'll eat as much of this I want.
That's the dinner. That's my favorite
dinner really for performance, mental, physical.
physical.
>> That's not your favorite dinner, but you
convinced yourself that it is. Sleep,
quality, etc. Super low fat. Getting it done.
done.
All right. It's just a fun
>> What? What exactly are you getting done?
Are you getting done promoting MFC,
telling her to get inside the bin and to
do like brain rot content? because I had
to unfollow her because it was such a
brain rot content that yeah it was
giving me like brain damage or something
and I had to stop watching cuz watching
your content um that MFC is um is making
or whatever you are inventing. It's like
it's like watching those 9year-olds
playing Roblox.
>> Things don't really change. the good
things don't change. Okay. Um it's so
cheap, man. Like to to be lean, it's
just it's all about eating as much
carbohydrate as much.
>> Yeah. There's no denial that
it's it's cheap to be lean
>> sugar as you crave. Okay. As much as you
want. And
if you want to really tap into deep fat
burning, do a strict fat intake. That's
what I do. Okay. Not training much.
>> Yeah. Um, you don't need to necessarily
restrict it. It's going to happen
naturally. You can just eat lean meat
and some organs, liver. Yeah. And yeah,
that's going to satisfy you. It's not
like you're going to crave animal fat
like constantly.
So, I'm just leavinging nutrition,
leaving low fat as much as possible. And
then you carry less fat in the bike,
carry less fat in the run, you can go
faster the same effort. So, this meal is
hardly any fat, but it's got some vegetables.
vegetables.
>> Yes, you can get um some advantages by
being lower weight on the bike, but um
that's that's not an advantage in in in
like real life. It might have some
athletic advantages, but yeah, that's
about it.
Genuinely, man, how can you eat that?
Like, I'm asking genuinely. I I tried
that when I was on your protocols and um
yeah it was like very it was very
unsatisfying to be honest
like you you get hungry few hours after
in there. So, it's got some essential
fatty acids for people who worry. If
you're worried about not getting enough
fat, you just take
>> Oh, yeah. You also have some frozen
veggies, which is basically whatever
that is. Green be green peas or I don't
know, green beans or edame or whatever
and carrot
and corn.
That's so disappointing, man. I'm And
I'm I'm genuinely asking, how can you
eat ketchup? Like, don't you have some
type of standards for yourself? At least
have some type of organic tomato sauce
like that was made out of tomato and
maybe a little bit of salt. There's no
need for the other ingredients.
something high quality that tastes nice
and it's better replacement for ketchup than
than
Yeah, it's it's it's just better to have
a nice tomato sauce than than eating
ketchup, which was ideally you you would
make um your own out of tomatoes and
make it raw cuz yeah, that way it's it's
it's just better than ketchup. Like have
some standards, man. You you can afford
it. who can't afford it that that person
can just buy ketchup whatever
>> get a take a supplement if you want to
take a little algae pill or DHA whatever
but if you look in the mirror and you
got excess fat then
>> you look too much in the mirror I can tell
tell
>> you why where's the logic any more fat
if I eat fat Harley then it it fills me
up I eat less calories that's not how it
works man That's exactly how it works.
If you eat if you eat fat, especially
raw, not something that was uh
overcooked to the point where it turned
like brown and carcinogenic
and not seed oils or
I don't know like something like a
McDonald's, something deep fried.
You you I'm just talking about pure
animal fat. It's going to satisfy you
and the next day and next few days you
you're just going to crave it less and
less. It's not like you endlessly just
going to eat fat over over fat and it
satisfies you for many hours.
If that's how it works, we wouldn't see
any any tub chops out there.
>> The top chops are top chops because of
seed oils, man. Just admit it already.
>> We we wouldn't see any. Okay. But we do
like to look at Joe Rogan etc. So
>> Joe Rogan eats seed oils.
>> If you're fat, it's not a problem. Like
if if your goal is to be fat like you
your body your choice.
>> Yeah. Yeah. But but what is fat? Like
tell tell us a percentage from what body
fat until what is considered fat? Like
from which from what percentage up until
what body fat percentage is considered
lean? And from what up um like over over
what percentage is considered fat? Like
tell us a number. I know people that
look good no matter Okay. Not no matter what
what
cuz Yeah. And that would be ridiculous.
But let let me give you an example. They
would look very good at 15% and they
would still look good at 20 and at 25
and even at 30. they would still have
the the the good-looking face and all of
that. Okay, I know it's hard for you to
imagine this, but yeah, it's reality. Okay,
Okay,
so yeah, tell us a number like what percentage
percentage
makes uh makes someone lean and what
percentage makes them makes them fat?
Yeah, tell us because you never specify
anything specifically. you just um just
uh say it like a short version of
everything and keep it simple but uh you
should really specify it so so people
can can tell. I'm out here for the
people who want to be you know like just
just rip or you know just veins
starrations in your shoulders and stuff.
Some people don't like this look. I get
it you know but people out there really
hurting themselves really suffering
because they're starving to get lean. I
ain't starving man. How many calories in
this? I don't know. I can't.
>> That's absolute starvation meal.
Um I I would be very disappointed if uh
tomorrow I could not find any meat in
store and it was was only that food.
That was that would be horrible time.
That would be like um
imagine just Yeah, that would be like
really sad times. I hope it never comes
to that.
>> Calories, man. I'm too busy living life
be counting calories.
>> But you know what? If uh tomorrow that happens,
happens,
um yeah, I I would be still better off
just because I I ate meat until now. And
I it's my body would would hold up
longer on on on on just eating rice or
whatever than than than yours.
I just look at I just avoid the greasy
foods as much as possible. But because
I'm so lean, I can partake in a little
bit of grease here and there. But if I
was really if I was fat, I wouldn't be
taking part taking any grease or not
even a bite. Okay? Not even a nut, not
even a piece of avocado, not even
anything like not even a taste or just
nothing. Nothing. Just discipline. Okay?
I'll never >> discipline.
>> discipline.
But you're programmed to to crave animal
fat. It's it's just in you.
And when your body asks for it, it
clearly craves fat soluble vitamins. And
not just that, it's not just vitamins.
There are so many chemical compounds in
the animal fat that your body needs.
It's it's not even it's not even
mentioned in in like
like dietician books and all of that cuz
it's just so many.
It's many, many molecules, man, and
molecular structures that your body
needs. And when you're craving that,
that's that's the moment when when it
hits you. Oh, I want some pizza. Oh, I
want some this and that. Some ice cream.
That's why kids cry for ice cream
because their bodies ask for those nutrients.
nutrients.
>> Two carbs. I guarantee you do protocols
if you're a guy.
>> And what what would you do? Um, you you
would just just give a kid some some
rice and just like malnutrition by by
Victoria does. It's unbelievable.
>> You're going to be get as lean as me.
Guaranteed, man. Now, I don't recommend
women get this lean, okay? Cuz if if
you're a girl and you have you have abs
like this, your estrogen is going to be
too low. Okay? Um, even when I was using testosterone,
