0:02 the darker predictions of yours is that
0:06 we are now well on our way to uh World
0:10 War II. Um I just wanted to ask uh why
0:13 why this is um what are you looking at?
0:15 Is this possible triggers? Do you look
0:18 at the chain reactions because well as
0:21 we saw from the previous two world wars
0:23 uh one thing tends to lead to another
0:26 and u one gets sucked in and there
0:28 doesn't seem to be a a reverse button at
0:31 any point. Uh so what is it that you're assessing?
0:33 assessing?
0:35 >> Okay. So uh my first piece of evidence
0:38 is the American national security
0:40 strategy which is which was just
0:43 published um one or two weeks ago and it
0:45 and it and it's very clear in that
0:49 America uh maybe four years ago saw uh
0:51 the world as possibly being organized
0:52 and coordinated by multilateral
0:55 organizations. was important was for
0:57 America to be the um enforcer or the
0:59 police officer to ensure that people
1:02 abide by the uh rulesbased national
1:05 order and in this document uh Trump is
1:08 very clear this order has dissipated
1:10 it's gone and so now that the only thing
1:13 that matters is n national self-interest
1:15 so America needs to protect its own
1:16 national self-interest that primarily
1:18 means protecting the western hemisphere
1:20 what it calls the mineral doctrine there
1:21 something called a trump corery to the
1:23 mineral doctrine which is to say that
1:25 trouble want to enforce minimal
1:29 doctrine. Um so um America believes that
1:32 Russia and China have been encroaching
1:34 too deeply into South America especially
1:36 China which has a lot of um trade
1:39 investment agreements with South America
1:41 to the benefit of the people there. But
1:43 America has always always believed that
1:47 South America is American territory and
1:49 so now it will protect its territory and
1:51 that's why we are seeing the escalation
1:54 in Venezuela. We're seeing uh 10% of
1:57 America's naval assets um um consolidate
2:00 in the Caribbean and recently this
2:03 escalation um American forces have have
2:06 basically stolen a Venezuela oil tanker
2:10 and diverted it to Houston, Texas. Um so
2:14 America by enforcing doctrine um this
2:16 means that America will now come into
2:17 conflict with the entire entire South
2:19 America because when America is now
2:22 threatening Venezuela, Brazil, um
2:25 Colombia, Mex Mexico, they all see their
2:28 sovereignty being infringed upon. Um so
2:30 that's um one piece of evidence. The
2:32 second piece of evidence is of course
2:34 what's happening between Russia and
2:36 Ukraine. This war between Russia and
2:39 Ukraine is essentially over. Uh Russia
2:41 is storming on the battlefield. The
2:43 morale in Ukraine has collapsed. There's
2:45 about 100,000 Ukrainian soldiers who
2:46 have deserted. There are millions who
2:49 have fled abroad. So Ukraine doesn't
2:52 have the manpower nor the resources
2:54 uh nor the willpower to continue this
2:57 fight. At the same time, the Europeans
3:00 insist that the the Ukrainians continue
3:02 to fight. Um, so there's talk among
3:06 Europeans of confiscating, stealing
3:10 those 210 billion euros that it has um
3:12 from from Russia assets and giving it
3:14 directly to Ukraine. They hit up this
3:16 idea because they they understand it's
3:18 suicidal. And so now they're they
3:21 they've um they're about to give Ukraine
3:25 100 million euros um in loans and
3:27 interest free loans to continue continue
3:29 this war. And the reason why is that
3:31 Europe needs to needs to enter this war
3:33 at some point and it's afraid that if
3:36 there's a peace treaty then uh Russia
3:38 will will be able to consolidate its
3:42 gains and then use Ukrainian resources
3:44 to challenge European supremacy. So
3:46 that's the second major front. Then of
3:48 course what what we're seeing in the
3:50 Middle East is a continuing escalation
3:53 between Israel and Iran. So there was a
3:57 peace treaty signed uh between Israel
4:00 and different parties, Hamas, Hezbollah.
4:02 It seems as though Israel has no respect
4:04 for these treaties. Uh it seems as
4:07 though that Israel is planning to attack
4:09 Hezbollah in Lebanon in the next two
4:13 weeks. um the Hamas peace treaty will
4:15 not hold because Hamas will not uh agree
4:17 to give up all its arms because if it
4:20 does so then it will be it will wipe out
4:22 it will be wiped out by these Israeli
4:25 proxies. So the middle Middle East will
4:27 only flare up. You know, there was this
4:29 um shooting in America of this nuclear
4:31 physicist and then there was this
4:33 tragedy on Bonnie Beach in Sydney in
4:36 Australia where 16 uh people died and
4:39 Israel is is pinning the blame on Iran
4:41 with absolutely no evidence. There are
4:42 these MSAD officers who flown to
4:44 Australia to participate in the
4:48 investigation and we can suspect that um
4:51 they will blame Iran in some way for
4:53 what has happened. So all around the
4:55 world we're seeing the potential for
4:57 massive flare ups in 2026.
5:01 >> Well, it seems like uh one of the major
5:03 things uh which are changing which you
5:06 suggested as well is the the change of
5:07 the entire world order though. But
5:09 usually new world order would only
5:12 consolidate itself after a world war.
5:13 That is if you have massive distribution
5:15 of power, there's often little ability
5:17 of the international system to reform
5:20 itself. Usually we need a big war and
5:22 then a new status quo can be cemented in
5:25 agreements. But this is such a critical
5:26 time it seems because the whole world
5:29 order after the cold war again the uh
5:32 has been based on hedgemony dominance
5:34 and now of course that distribution of
5:36 power is gone. It is a multipolar
5:38 distribution of power. So it's very or
5:41 near impossible to transition peacefully
5:44 though because uh the old war which was
5:47 based on US primacy now needs to find a
5:50 whole new system on a balance of power.
5:52 I mean this changes absolutely
5:53 everything. The rules of the games
5:58 change as as you suggested uh I mean why
6:00 did the USS now China and Russia can't
6:02 be in this backyard but the US of course
6:04 can still be in the backyard of Russia
6:06 and China. So there there's no
6:08 acceptable rules. Uh the institutions
6:11 will change the security. Well, I mean
6:13 should I still be based only on
6:15 deterrence and dominance? If there's now
6:16 many centers of power, it doesn't really
6:19 make sense. How diplomacy is conducted?
6:21 Uh I I just feel like this is very
6:24 difficult topics. But no one seemed
6:26 willing to accept the reality or even
6:30 discuss it. I mean here in Europe um the
6:32 the the overall sentiment or narrative
6:34 is that all was well and peaceful.
6:37 Freedom and democracy was just uh
6:40 spreading and then you know evil showed
6:42 up and usually has to be personified by
6:46 a Putin or a Shiin Ping and um it has to
6:48 be confronted must be destroyed and then
6:50 peace somehow can return. I mean this is
6:53 a very childish way of uh saying that
6:55 they want hedgeim money back and um I
6:57 guess I say childish because there's no
6:59 strategy in terms of what they want to
7:01 achieve how they can achieve it means
7:04 that's required it's just this emotional
7:06 outburst and slogans about what is
7:10 unjust and uh as our hedge money was so
7:12 virtuous everyone was benefiting uh but
7:14 you see this is a problem the inability
7:18 of our actual political leaders to
7:21 address the critical time we're at and
7:24 uh why we we need to essentially find a
7:28 new status quo or or is it the inability
7:30 to let go of hedgemon is it just that
7:32 the rules are changing I mean how can we
7:34 explain this
7:36 >> yeah I completely agree your assessment
7:39 um so before this idea of the liberal
7:42 rulesbased natural order it's basically
7:44 these western nations uh bullying
7:46 exploiting and colonizing the rest of
7:51 the world so uh For 20 years, NATO was
7:54 expanding um into Russian sphere of
7:58 influence. Um and for 20 years, Putin
8:01 has been warning uh NATO, you have to
8:02 stop, otherwise we have to react. We
8:06 have to protect our sovereignty. Um and
8:08 NATO refused to listen. Um NATO was
8:11 extremely arrogant and that force is put
8:14 in his hand. Then China for the longest
8:19 time was the um basically the factory to
8:22 the world and China agreed to produce
8:24 really cheap products to to the world
8:26 which increased people centered living
8:29 and that made western consumers really
8:31 happy. But then came the 2009 financial
8:33 crisis when basically because of
8:37 circulation because of um uh stupid
8:40 policym because of greed the western
8:43 economy collapsed and so what happened
8:45 was that the western central banks
8:48 demand that China um invest in
8:50 infrastructure and so for the next 10
8:53 years China was digging digging itself
8:55 into a hole with all this infrastructure
8:58 spending and eventually China decided we
8:59 don't have enough resources is to
9:01 continue all this um spending on
9:05 infrastructure. And now the American
9:08 economy has collapsed because the
9:10 American consumers have maxed out their
9:12 credit cards. The American consumers
9:14 have been exploited for the past few
9:16 decades and they can no longer uh afford
9:18 to spend any more money. So now what
9:19 America demands is that Chinese
9:22 consumers start spending money. Chinese
9:24 consumers start maxing out their credit
9:26 cards and that China liberalized its
9:28 financial markets and China says we we
9:30 will not surrender our sovereignty and
9:33 so uh China China is being bullied by
9:35 America uh under the first Trump
9:36 administration they start to levy all
9:40 these terrorists on China um and it's
9:43 continued under the um Trump
9:46 administration and America insisted on
9:48 all these um bullying tactics for
9:51 example denying uh China access to
9:55 technology to markets. Um re um a few
9:58 years ago the Huawei executive uh Mwen
10:01 Joel she was arrested transiting in
10:03 Vancouver and she was put under
10:06 detention for a number of years until
10:09 she was finally let go. So um for the
10:12 longest time America and his allies were
10:14 able to bully the world and over time
10:17 Russia and China have stood up and
10:19 Europe and America don't like that and
10:20 that's that's the world we live in today.
10:22 today.
10:24 >> Well I feel like we've watched this
10:27 movie before to some extent of that is
10:29 uh [clears throat] before World War I.
10:31 We saw with the rise of Germany that it
10:34 effectively outgrew the British
10:36 dominated system. So again a shift of
10:38 power the British hedgeimon was
10:40 declining Germany as a regional power
10:45 inc increased. So in 1871 for example uh
10:47 Britain produced twice as much steel as
10:50 Germany which was a good indicator of
10:53 economic power. And 22 years later by
10:56 1893 the German steel production had
10:58 already then surpassed the British. And
11:01 uh by the time World War I broke out in 1914,
11:03 1914,
11:05 uh German steel production had doubled
11:07 that of Britain. So that's a very short
11:09 period of time for the whole
11:12 relationship to be put on its head. Now
11:14 you know you can say power shifts up and
11:19 down. But this is uh this is uh quite
11:21 critical because the whole European
11:23 security architecture then was still
11:25 British dominated. So you have then
11:28 Germany producing twice as much steel
11:30 yet all its major waterways that is
11:33 outside you know internally in Germany
11:35 are patrolled and controlled by the
11:38 British. It's uh it it doesn't really
11:41 make much sense. uh but uh it seems you
11:43 know after World War II we saw the same
11:47 the Germans outgrew the the the the
11:50 regional uh security architecture and um
11:52 I was wondering do you see this
11:56 historical patterns because
11:58 we have a similar thing now I mean the
11:59 Chinese economy has been the biggest in
12:01 the world in terms of purchasing power
12:04 parity since 2014
12:06 while in in Russia we had the you know
12:08 after co after the cold war we decided
12:10 let's develop a European security
12:12 architecture where they wouldn't have a
12:13 seat at the table because we thought
12:15 they're weak. They're only going to get
12:16 weaker. We're going to manage their
12:17 decline. That that would be the new
12:21 Europe. So, another treat essentially.
12:22 So, but now we ended up in a situation
12:25 where the Russians reversed and now they
12:27 have the largest state, this largest
12:29 economy, territory, population,
12:31 military, yet they're supposed to be the
12:33 only country in Europe which doesn't
12:35 have a seat at the table. So, all these
12:37 red flags should be going up. I feel
12:39 that this system is not going to produce
12:41 stability but war. But yet again we we
12:43 we can't even discuss this. I mean if
12:46 you listen to the the
12:49 European politicians and uh there's
12:51 stenographers in the media it's it's
12:53 just well you know we have freedom and
12:55 democracy and Russia want empire and
12:57 then this is it. It's just a good
13:00 oldfashioned good versus evil. I mean
13:02 it's quite extraordinary. But do you see
13:04 um historical continuity on some other levels?
13:06 levels?
13:09 Look, I mean, for the past 20 years, um,
13:11 Britain, Great Britain has been the
13:13 chief instigator of wars throughout the
13:15 world. Um, you know, you look, you go
13:16 back to World War I, and one of the
13:18 great injustices of that war was that
13:20 Germany was forced to accept all guilt
13:24 for causing a war. Um, when, uh, in
13:26 fact, you could argue that Britain had
13:28 more to do with the cost of World War I
13:30 than than German uh, than Germany did.
13:33 Okay? And the reason why is that Britain
13:34 subscribes to an idea called the
13:37 Mckender Heartland thesis. And the idea
13:39 is that Britain is a small country with
13:41 very little manpower, but it controls
13:44 the seas. So in order to maintain its
13:46 hijgemony, it needs to create as much
13:48 chaos and conflict within Eurasian
13:50 continent as much as possible because if
13:52 a major power to arise in the Eurasian
13:54 continent, whether it be France or the
13:57 Oman Empire or Germany or Russia, then
13:59 it would unite the Eurasian continent by
14:02 railway and it would negate um sea trade
14:04 and so Britain would collapse
14:07 economically, militarily, um
14:09 demographically and so for the past 20
14:11 years u Britain has been sowing as much
14:13 chaos as possible throughout the
14:15 Eurasian continent. So you go back to
14:18 the nepotic wars when Britain sponsored
14:20 finance seven major wars against France.
14:22 Napoleon had basically conquered the
14:24 continent by the by the battle of
14:26 Ocelitz. Austrian and Russia were
14:28 suddenly defeated. But Britain was still
14:31 working behind the scenes financing um
14:33 wars because Britain could not afford
14:35 for France to consolidate Europe and
14:36 create a continental system which is
14:38 what Napoleon wanted. And then you fast
14:40 forward to Germany in the same same
14:45 situation. Um so Britain is cannot allow
14:48 any power to emerge in Eurasia. And
14:50 today America subscribes to the same
14:53 concept where um as you say there's a
14:56 parallel between what happened before
14:58 war between Britain and Germany and now
15:01 between China and America where China is
15:03 a manufacturing superpower and it needs
15:05 all these resources from South America.
15:06 North America has something called the
15:09 lithium triangle. Uh Chile, Argentina,
15:12 and Bolivia. And that that's about 50%
15:13 of the world's lithium, which is crucial
15:20 for EVs, for um AI, um for for for the
15:23 future basically. And so um China has
15:25 been invested heavily in South America
15:27 building roads, building infrastructure.
15:28 There's this mega port that is building
15:32 in Peru to uh facilitate trade. Um and
15:35 South America has been very receptive
15:39 and welcoming of Chinese investment. But
15:42 America cannot allow China to continue
15:45 to rise and that's why America is going
15:48 to use its sea power to disrupt global
15:51 trade. Right? So um we we we've seen
15:54 American troops boarding this Venezuela
15:56 oil tanker. But you know um there was
15:58 also this Chinese ship headed to Iran
16:01 and it was boarded as well. So um this
16:04 is this blatant piracy. America for the
16:06 past 50 years says that we will defend
16:08 global trade and now America in order to
16:10 defend its empire in order to weaken
16:13 China and Russia is now resorting to
16:15 global piracy. Basically,
16:17 >> what is interesting about the end of
16:19 World War I though is uh every historian
16:21 or more or less every historian
16:24 recognizes that the Treaty of Versailles
16:26 put in place at the end of the war set
16:28 us on a path to a second world war
16:30 because it didn't create a sustainable
16:33 place for Germany in the new Europe.
16:35 However, if you would say that Germany
16:38 was provoked to start World War II, then
16:40 you're a Nazi sympathizer. So, so it's
16:43 it's very strange, you know, it's more
16:45 or less the same thing, but I think it
16:47 speaks to the I to the mentality that if
16:49 you if you recognize something, you
16:52 acknowledge it, then you legitimize it.
16:53 It just feels like we're a little bit
16:55 back there at the moment because this
16:57 the Russian invasion, it couldn't
16:59 possibly be more in the provoked. This
17:02 was provoked in every way, but uh and
17:04 you can easily prove this, but you're
17:05 not allowed to say it because then
17:08 you're legitimizing the invasion. And of
17:10 course uh you have to be cancelled
17:12 immediately. But um I I thought the
17:14 Eurasian heartland comment was
17:16 interesting though as you said it deres
17:18 to some extent from the Napoleonic
17:20 system where they wanted to consolidate
17:22 Europe, cut off the British as a
17:24 maritime power and then that that that
17:26 would destroy them. So this kind of made
17:29 the British convinced that you just have
17:31 to keep the European powers divided. Of
17:33 course, 120 years ago, this came into a
17:35 more cohesive theory in terms of
17:39 machiner. But uh but in the 19th
17:40 century, the British were fighting
17:42 Russia as a potential hedgeimon of
17:45 Eurasia. And in the 20th century, the
17:47 American security strategists also refer
17:50 to the heartland theory because they saw
17:52 uh yeah, they also saw them as the
17:54 maritime power versus the Russian land
17:58 power. But today though, Eurasia is not
18:00 hegemonic. And while the goal in the
18:02 past was primarily to split the Russians
18:04 from the Germans, you know, always to
18:06 push them out to Asia. This is why we
18:08 did the Crimean War against the Russians
18:10 as well in the mid-9th century. But now
18:12 when you push Russia into Asia, it
18:15 doesn't push it into an economic
18:18 backwaters. It pushes it straight into
18:21 the arms of the most the largest
18:23 industrial power and technological power
18:25 now in the world, which is China, at
18:28 least one of the two. So uh it's it's a
18:30 very different setting. So how do you
18:33 assess this new new eur new Eurasia? I
18:35 mean one shouldn't overestimate the
18:37 ability of them to harmonize their
18:39 interest and work cohesively. But there
18:40 is a commonality though the Russians,
18:42 the Chinese, the Indians, I mean
18:44 Iranians, many of them have competing
18:46 interests. But none but none of them
18:48 wants to be dominated by uh by a
18:51 maritime power anymore. So how do you
18:54 see this impacting or does it impact
18:57 this path to World War II?
18:59 >> Yeah, I mean exactly. So um you know the
19:01 Mckender Haven thesis is is something
19:03 that's ascribed to both by the American
19:05 Empire as well as the British Empire.
19:07 And so what's happening is that because
19:10 of American aggression because this
19:13 system the final system where the US
19:14 dollar is the world's reserve currency
19:16 which gives America exorbitant privilege
19:18 which is say you can print as $30
19:20 trillion and not have to suffer anything
19:22 and the rest of the world has to absorb
19:25 this debt. Um it's driving uh the Brits
19:28 countries uh and in Iran into each
19:31 other's arms. So the great nightmare for
19:33 the Anglo-American Empire is an alliance
19:37 between Russia, Iran and China. And of
19:40 course India will also um come into this
19:42 alliance eventually at some point
19:44 because it benefits India and this
19:46 creates the Eurasian trade continental
19:49 system, right? And and Iran is the key
19:50 because Iran's the pivot. It's the
19:53 center of the world. Um all these trade
19:55 alliances run through Iran. So uh the
19:57 Europeans have something called EMAC uh
20:00 the European uh India Middle East
20:01 corridor. Uh Russia has something called
20:03 the north south corridor. China of
20:04 course has a has a B and road
20:06 initiative. So Iran is a key um and
20:09 that's why America is intent on regime
20:12 change in Iran. Um America cannot afford
20:14 for this alliance to take shape to
20:17 manifest itself because then America
20:20 would lose uh trade access in the
20:22 Eurasian continent. China, Russia and
20:24 Iran can just trade amongst themselves
20:28 and then provide um energy and food and
20:30 manufactured goods to uh the Middle East
20:35 to Africa uh to Europe and so and then
20:37 America is stuck with $30 trillion in
20:39 debt and the America Ponzi scheme would
20:42 collapse. So for this this is a life
20:43 this this is a life and death struggle
20:45 for America. So what it needs to do is
20:47 go into Iran and make sure this alliance
20:50 cannot take shape. um it doesn't have to
20:51 win the war, but it needs to create as
20:52 much chaos as as possible. And that's
20:55 why I think in 2026 2026, we'll see an
20:58 escalation in rhetoric and conflict
21:00 between America and Iran with with
21:03 Israel as of course as a pit dog for the
21:05 American Empire.
21:08 It's funny when the complexity of this
21:10 geopolitics has to be sold to the
21:13 public. it's uh sold in the most uh
21:16 absurd ways such as well we want to have
21:18 more women rights in Ukra sorry women
21:21 rights in uh in Iran like this is
21:24 apparently what drives the great power
21:28 rivalry uh but to what ex sorry no I
21:31 mean like you look at this pony beach um
21:35 tragedy where 16 people were killed and
21:37 we know that the person who committed
21:40 the crime was an Islamic state sympathizer
21:41 sympathizer
21:43 Um, and already they're putting the
21:47 blame on Iran. Why is Mossad involved in
21:50 this sign the police investigation? I I
21:51 mean, it seems as though they're looking
21:54 for every single pretext to create
21:57 public anger at Iran.
22:00 Yeah. Well,
22:02 a key problem as well. If you look at
22:05 the all the previous two world wars, if
22:07 you're going to look towards the well,
22:10 hopefully not the third one coming, uh
22:12 uh it's also been the assumption that
22:14 the wars could be limited. Again, by
22:17 definition, they had this uh chain
22:19 reaction that uh you know, one thing led
22:22 to another. I mean I remember when at
22:24 university when I was teaching um uh
22:27 causality I would use world one as an
22:29 example this leads to this this you know
22:31 nobody wanted to go down this path but
22:33 much of it seems to be based on the
22:36 premise that they're able to limit the
22:38 wars in other words it's this illusion
22:41 of escalation control uh you know we see
22:43 some indications of this in Europe today
22:44 that is the Europeans say oh we can send
22:46 some troops to Ukraine the idea is we
22:48 can just tip the scales a bit towards
22:51 Ukraine's favor to re rebalance it and
22:53 then uh and then stabilize the front
22:56 lines so we can keep it the war going.
22:58 But uh
23:01 but but it's it's um it seems like the
23:03 delusion the fact that they will be able
23:05 to control this and somehow that the
23:08 Russian responses to Europeans entering
23:10 the battlefield and then let's just
23:12 contain the war to Ukraine and Russia.
23:16 Uh you know Europe should not be be a
23:18 part of this war. we're just sending
23:20 troops and weapons and uh you know the
23:22 targeting but how how do you see this in
23:24 a wider historical context and and what
23:26 what we're seeing in the world today though
23:26 though
23:29 >> I know that's a very big question
23:31 >> why look look yeah I mean but it's a
23:34 common pattern in history where all wars
23:37 started out as limited wars where one
23:39 party is trying to trying to achieve
23:42 certain strategic objectives and it
23:45 always escalates into a full-scale war
23:47 uh beyond anyone's control there's the
23:48 idea of mission creeps. So think about
23:51 Vietnam where at first um America was
23:53 just sending in some advisors or
23:58 trainers into um Vietnam to bolster the
24:00 South Vietnamese regime and eventually
24:02 escalated to the point where you know
24:03 the entire American military was
24:06 involved in a full-scale war in Vietnam.
24:09 Um so I think one major flash point that
24:11 we should look at is Venezuela right
24:13 because Trump is very clear. Trump is
24:14 saying that you know I'm not going to
24:18 declare war. This is just a uh operation
24:21 to destroy drug cartels because Maduro
24:25 he is a drug kingping kingping and we
24:27 will we will we will uh make we are
24:29 trying to save as many American lives as
24:30 possible. Okay. So that's just the
24:32 rhetoric for public consumption. We all
24:35 know that Venezuela has the world's
24:39 largest proven oil reserves and um Trump
24:42 is trying to um create uh make
24:44 Venezuelan into an economic vessel.
24:46 Okay. So, you would think that this war
24:49 would be only limited to Venezuela and
24:51 and America, but this war has a
24:53 potential to escalate very quickly
24:56 because um Cuba and Nikuaga would be on
24:58 the on the next hit list after
25:02 Venezuela. Also, if you're Brazil, you
25:04 would think that your real the real
25:05 target is you because what happened was
25:08 that um before the trade war between
25:11 China and America, America was providing
25:15 China's um soybeans. uh China imports a
25:19 third of its food and it gets it used to
25:20 get most of its so soybeans from
25:22 American farmers and because of the
25:25 trade war China started to import uh soy
25:29 beans from Brazil and um ever since then
25:31 the economic relationship between Brazil
25:33 and China has only improved dramatically
25:36 and so u China right now is uh Brazil's
25:38 biggest trade partner and this is and
25:40 this is true for for every nation in
25:43 South America so um if You're a South
25:45 African nation. First of all, you're
25:49 outraged of the fact that um Trump is
25:51 trying to conduct regime change in
25:53 Venezuela. You don't like the Yankees.
25:54 Uh you've had this long history where
25:57 the CIA plots coups in your in your
26:00 nation, killing millions of people. Um
26:01 you also want to maintain good trade
26:03 relations with China because China
26:06 actually gives puts real uh investment
26:07 in your country. They build roads. Uh
26:10 they build good infrastructure. Uh they
26:11 contribute to the livelihood of your
26:13 ordinary citizens and America wants
26:15 wants wants to take that take that away.
26:18 So um this war could escalate to a point
26:21 where okay maybe American ground troops
26:23 in Venezuela but Brazil and other
26:26 nations covertly send troops to
26:28 reinforce the Venezuelan regime because
26:30 they know that if Venezuela falls, they
26:33 all fall together. So um it's it's it's
