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Good afternoon, fellow

cybernauts. We're back here at

Impulso Activo, number one. Of

course, fellow cybernauts. As promised,

remember that the

active impulse platform,

Escuelas con Impulsa, emerged from research,

research,

debates, interviews, but in order to carry it

out, we must have

high school students debate with

the same

high school students and give a little

insight into what they believe in

relation to bullying.

And I now present to you, in order to

begin this debate, the students

of the afternoon shift of the mixed school 11

Andrés, Brian.

Good afternoon, guys. How are

you feeling today? Okay,

let's sit down.

And they are going to debate with the students from

the same mixed secondary school 11 from the

morning shift. And for that we are going to

Pati, Gael.

Hi guys. How are you all?

you all? Good.

Good.

That's very good. You already know,

fellow internet users, that schools with a

strong following have girl journalists, girl

journalists who are also going to interview

two students from this same

school. And of course, the spot that will be

published along with this interview

with a very important topic related to

the students will be told to you later. Well,

remember, public official, one

of these days any of them will stand in

front of you and ask you what

you believe about bullying

and what your solution would be, because

this is my perception. And to be able to

hold this debate, a mediator is required

, and that's not me. As you know,

fellow cybernauts, I'm simply

the active impulse host and

presenter of schools with impulse. And

for that we welcome you to Melín.

Good morning or afternoon, Melanie. How are

you feeling today?

Very well thank you.

Very good,

very good, thank you. Okay. Melanie is a little

nervous because it's going to be her

first mediation, but everything's fine,

right, guys? Yes. Yes.

Yes.

Okay. And we'll hand over the microphone

to Melanie so she can explain the

rules and how the debate

will unfold. I leave them with you.

Everyone will give their perception or

rather what they think about bullying. They

will also explain what they are going to

do to improve it or what support they

can give to someone who suffers from

this harassment. Hey, everyone will be given 2

minutes, and after

their 2 minutes are up,

another colleague will be given the floor.

So, first of all, I want to

know what you think about

bullying, Trini.

Good afternoon. Well, what I think

about bullying is that it comes

from home, because if a kid sees

his parents hitting

each other, he thinks it's

normal. So, he does it with

other people or because sometimes they do it

less at home or at school,

then he thinks that nobody

likes him. So, the person who is bullied

feels sad, depressed,

and in some cases even commits

suicide. So, I think it's a

problem that both teachers and

parents should pay attention to because

if someone commits suicide because of this

problem, it would be a huge disappointment.

Thank you so much. Um, could you give me your

insight, Andrea, please?

Well, I think that bullying doesn't

just come from home, but also from

school, because their classmates make them look

down on them and in some cases their

teachers too and so these children

feel depressed and lonely

and many times they don't come

to school anymore and they don't study anymore for fear

of telling their parents how they feel and

everything, well they don't want to come to

since they feel sad and everything and well

they try to do the same thing to other

people and so a

chain is created that never ends with bullying

and the child who is doing the

aggressor and the child who is attacked

does the same thing again and so that chain will

never end

and now the child feels

depressed, sad and so do

the parents. Some children do

say what they feel and parents ignore it

. They tell them, "Oh, don't make any

more trouble, you defend yourself." Or x thing.

And then the kids start fighting and everything

everything and

then the kids start fighting and everything.

In the classroom, they don't do work, they

spend their time talking. H then they lower his rating.

rating.

From being 10, they go down to seven and then they

start fighting with the

teachers and everything and then the teachers

report them, the kids don't

care about anything anymore and they start

feeling bad and this can lead to

suicide and

thank you very much, Brian, could you

tell me your point of view about

bullying? Yes, for me, bullying does

n't just come from the family,

but also from the values they

hold within them,

also considering the very attractive perspective of

respect, which almost all

high school students are

losing as they progress through

high school. For example, when

students see someone being

attacked, the first thing they do is support the person doing the

attack, for example, by

hitting them harder or telling them to

hit them harder so that the person

becomes immobile or unable to defend themselves.

What parents should

do first is to see if their children

have lost any money,

torn clothes or any information that they can

give them, that they believe, because they

always tell the truth when they say, they

feel attacked or affected towards

someone, but most

people have not learned to say no.

They are just two letters that not everyone knows how to say freely because they are threatened or most people may say no, if you say something we are going to hit you and as they feel a little less, they hold on to games, activities during recess that can

help them to be a little more

freely, without anyone being able to

say anything to them and to be comfortable with

themselves, but all of them

must have some problem at home,

as my colleagues had mentioned,

which is that most

people have not learned to say no

and we recommend that all those

affected go down to some people

who they can tell everything they want

or trust, right? Whether it's a parent,

relative, or friend who comes often and

feels very protected with them by their

side, because bullying doesn't

only involve physical aggression, but

also psychological and

verbal aggression that can affect them.

Thank you so much, BR. Could

you tell me, Andrés, what you think about this

? Of course

. And to begin, good

afternoon. Uh, I'd like to say that, as

my colleagues said this morning, uh,

bullying comes from the family. There are

also many missing values,

things that can be done. As there

was recently

a fight between two girls at a nearby school, one of them was

taken into custody and it may be that they have

n't released her yet, I'm not

sure. Uh, this has been

happening very often for about 5 years now.

It's a lot of,

how can you say it?

the causes, but more than anything the

lack of trust between his family and

Hm. like the

like the

lack of respect that our

classmates have for each other, the lack of

trust with our teachers, the

lack of, as I told you, trust

with our teachers so as not to say that they

are bullying us or that they are being

mistreated by our teachers. There are

some teachers who try to be

clever with some students, not

letting them participate or excluding them from

some of their activities,

not letting them

be the people they want to be or

want to become. This means that those

who were bullied or

harassed can even become

people who harass or bully

others. Thank you very much, Andrés. There

Andrés. There

are many different types of

bullying. One is the type of

verbal bullying. Verbal bullying is when

the aggressor insults the victim

through offensive words, as well as

rudeness or offenses through it. Another is

physical bullying or harassment at school, which is through hitting, it is

through hitting that the

bully does to the victim. Another is

cyberbullying or

internet or video chat harassment. It

is when the harasser

begins to attack the

victim through emails

or e-mails.

Well, according to the information

our colleagues have given us,

the word bullying is a foreign word

that comes from Anglo-Saxon words. Anglo-

Anglo-Saxon words. Anglo-

Saxon is the part of the roots

of the English, as well as the United

States, Great Britain or the United States or Spain.

In addition to this, bullying causes

deaths in young people around 13 or 14 years old .

In 2009, the State Agency for

School Assessments reported that

190,190 adolescents aged approximately

14 or 15 died by

suicide, primarily due to

bullying. In my opinion, bullying

is not good. It can cause death to

many young people who have a life

ahead of them. Thank you very much, Gabel.

Osvaldo, what do you think about bullying?

bullying?

Well, it's originating from

homes, as they had already said, but it's not

the aggressor's or the

victim's who are originating. The aggressor, since his parents

or relatives do not pay attention to him in case,

they do it less, they take into account the minor

because the smallest one, they pay more attention to him

. He feels separated from

his loved ones and

feels that affection reinforced at

school, that is, feeling more important

and thus making himself stand out more by

making fun of other

people's things. In the affected person, this is the one who

receives too much affection and does not learn to

see what is affecting him, right? This one,

since he feels very very weak and he

can't no no thinks that he is the same as the

others and maybe his word will not be

noticed. This one is

also going away, it's ... It's

also when they start making fun

of a classmate for something they've said,

something that leads from there to

bullying or verbal aggression. Eh,

the family members and the students don't realize

that they are causing

harm to him.

Thanks a lot. As we know,

all the knowledge you've given us is very important

because we know that

bullying isn't happening right now; it's happened

long before. It's just that now,

with the young people who are coming in, it's becoming

more serious. There are cases where they

have to go to the hospital. It

's terrible to see that and not have many

values in the house. So I also

want to know, Brian, what is it that

you want to do or what would you do about it,

helping someone who is being

bullied, or what would you do to improve that?

Personally, I would ask a group

of people to remain spectators,

but to notify teachers or an

older adult who can help the

victims who are being attacked by

the aggressor. Because there is not just one

aggressor, there are three types of aggressors. The

victim-aggressor, who is the one with the

chain that never ends; the

unintelligent aggressor, who is the one who is in

charge of hitting or physically and

verbally abusing a victim; or the

intelligent aggressor, who is the one who is in

charge of sending other people to

hit or verbally attack

a victim. Glory. This is also

like a poster campaign or a

call to end

bullying at least in one school and

from there, training more

helpers so that

the campaign develops further and promotes

unity and ends

bullying little by little. It doesn't matter if it

only ends in one classroom, then it

would be two or three and then the

whole school. This helps us ensure that

bullying doesn't

end in the coming years,

so that our future generations

don't have to deal with this

problem with their children, grandchildren, or aunts and uncles.

All of this means that I would

stop bullying as much as I

could, for example, not hitting my

classmates or students who are

near me and that I see daily or at least

hitting my younger siblings, which

also implies that bullying,

school bullying starts at home,

but also this I would go back a few years

to see how it was stopped,

stopped, this bullying is stopped in

the news, for example, by putting on this

some commercial that all students or

young people see right now on television and

showing that the bullet will be ending soon. Of course

soon. Of course

. It has a lot to do with

television and everything we

see, everything that is instilled in us on

television, since most of it is not good.

good. Andrea,

I had a friend who is 14

years old and she is short and well in her

class there were pretty girls and well they looked

down on her and a boy

invited some girls to the party and

those girls were friends and well the

girls invited her and at the party the

boy who supposedly was the handsome and

popular one, made her look ridiculous in

front of everyone and well she stopped going

to high school and well now she is

repeating the year and she is already 16 and she

is barely in third grade because of bullying.

And so I say that we all have the

same rights and everything and no, just because you

are a shorter,

prettier girl, you feel you have the right to

humiliate people. we have the

same rights and the same values.

And well in my case I have already suffered or something like that

and my friend has already talked, talked to me and I and

well she talked, talked to her mom

and her mom went and talked to the high school and

the high school started a campaign with everyone at

the school and they put up posters

and everything and also outside the school they

asked the principal for permission and they went to

other schools to talk about this and they

invited them to a it was like a get-together for

everyone who helped put an end to

bullying and well bullying

bullying is

thank you very much Andrea Perla,

could you tell me what you would do in that case.

Well, first of all, I would

approach those people because they

are the ones who are most prominent in the

group, so it would be clear who is

in charge, who is the most

timid, or who is, as they

say, the most argumentative. So,

first I would approach the victim and

ask them what they feel is wrong or what they have

done to them. Then we'll see

if he'll

take the liberty of telling me, and

then I'll go to his parents and tell them

if they could please

help him decide to seek

psychological help or talk to them

about everything they've done to him to see if

the attackers can go to jail,

even if they're minors, but they can

go to jail, or if the

So,

another thing I would do aside from

campaigns and all that is to do some kind of

activity, for example, I could

make a video where I, for

example, am pretending to be the

aggressor and someone else is the victim.

So it's like standing next to a person

and pretending I'm actually

hitting them and seeing the

person's reaction. There we would see why

Mexico hasn't changed right now and why

the school situation has been getting bigger and

bigger. Because there are people who

truly, as my colleague Marí says,

think it's a game, but the truth is, it

's not a game, because that game has

many consequences that, in truth,

we wouldn't want to regret later on

. Two classmates from my class

who were the laziest, we were

all having a good time playing during recess.

Then they came and

took me by both arms and

bit me. So, well, I

couldn't defend myself because

I didn't react at that moment, but what I

did was go to my mom and I was very

angry. I arrived crying, in fact,

because it hurt horribly, but I didn't

stay silent. Because, how could I keep

quiet about that if I want this to

end, I want no one else to have

this happen to me and no one to be

screwed by other people?

Of course, that's very important. And thank you very much

for your knowledge and for your

way of wanting to help. I would also

like to know how you could help

someone and how you would do it.

What I would do is ask the

abuser, "Hey, would you like it if they did

that to you? To be mistreated, to

be forced to do things that don't even

matter?" If he answers me yes, I would

accuse him. We shouldn't continue with this. I would

this. I would

talk to a teacher or talk to

the victim because I've seen some

people who used to be very happy, very

creative, and suddenly they

started hanging out with someone else, and that

made me feel bad. And I asked him,

why? Because she tells me that if I don't hang out

with her, she's going to hit me and do to me

what she did to another friend.

I helped her and gave her advice, but she

did nothing. I told her to tell

her parents that I would talk to them or, if not,

to a teacher, but she was very scared.

scared.

So without asking her, I told

a teacher, I told him that

all this is happening to her and he said he would talk

to both of them, but the aggressor didn't listen.

listen.

So I talked to the parents, but

they didn't pay attention either. Nobody

paid attention to her, so I had to talk

to someone more senior to her,

like the director or someone else.

She he told me that everything would be okay.

They suspended the attacker, but that didn't

stop him because he returned shortly after

and did the same thing again, but a little

more forcefully, so they had to expel him.

expel him.

Thank you so much, Pati. What is your

point of view or what would you do,

Osvaldo? Hm. Well, I think we should

go with a higher authority to talk

about this and give some talks

like what we're saying right now. There is

a viewer

who has that, to reinforce themselves and see what's

really happening. What is

really happening. Most of the

time this is because

some are also to blame because they themselves are

accepting it and they

start to believe it when in reality they

shouldn't always deny it and say,

"No, I am just like you or just like you

but I will never never never be

different. This

some talks would also help

a lot to help psychologically the

affected not only affected the

others, although they are not yet

uncorrupted in that. It should be

talked about so that they do not fall into the hands of

those problems that they are experiencing right now

, since this is too bad

for high schools and for all the

people who are experiencing it

right now have had a very bad time,

since they have even committed suicide because

of this harassment of which they become discouraged

and no longer want to do anything, they leave

school because they are no longer able to

comply with this

harassment that they are suffering in schools.

schools.

Well, thank you very much, Osvaldo.

Gael, could you tell me what you would do about

this to help someone and

how you Would you approach her and

how? Exactly. It would be like a

safe environment. Uh, first, one of

the best options is to ask the

aggressor what their problem is, uh, what they're

bringing up at home, uh, why

they attack others or why they do it.

do it.

Many times, aggressors do it

because they have family problems or

because their parents don't respect them .

Our aggressors want to know,

the person they're attacking,

what they're

going through, but they handle it with blows,

with hits, rudeness, insults, and many things,

things,

as well as attacking, attacking them,

offending them with their abilities that

aren't good and with what is good. Another

thing, if asking them

how they could

stop bothering you doesn't work, you can seek guidance from

their parents. First, tell them

what problem they have with their

children or with their son, mainly with the aggressor,

aggressor,

telling them that they could be given guidance so they

don't cause various problems and even death.

Many, many,

many are suffering from bullying. That's the

main thing you can ask,

or between those two options you can search.

search.

Thank you very much, Gael. And all this

knowledge that is clearly engraved in us

so that those who suffer from bullying can speak out and

not remain silent. That's why

this organization was created, so that you can please

speak out. There's no reason to remain silent

if there are

rules or reforms in which

what is happening can be made known

Very interesting debate, right,

fellow cybernauts? Well, as

we said, in schools with

impetus, research,

debates, interviews. In order to

conduct an interview, we must also

count on some very brave little ones,

whom we are going to

conduct it with. We ask the

lovely young lady to please come to the front, and we

ask the gentleman to accompany us, please.

Obviously, in order to conduct this

interview, we need the girls who

are the journalists, and we

and I would say Melanie, but

We are going to give Marlén the use of the microphone. to

interview the girl

next to her and then

Melanie so she can interview the young man.

Good afternoon. How are you feeling,

Marlena, today? And I'll give you the use

of the microphone.

Good afternoon. If you were a person

who was

constantly being bullied, would you consider

suicide as an option to get

out of this problem?

Well, no, I would try to fix

things and talk to the teachers or my

parents to put an end to all this, because

staying silent is a way of

playing into the bully's hands.

What advice would you give to people

who are being bullied?

Kids, please, don't allow yourself to be

mistreated anymore. Set a

limit so that these

kinds of things don't happen anymore. If you do speak up, tell

your parents, the teachers, whoever

is in charge, the highest superior, or

even a principal, but don't stay

silent, please. Thank you.

Very well, Marlen. Thank you very much.

Thank you for Your participation, miss.

And we'll give the microphone to Melanie.

Melanie.

Thank you. Well, I have a question I

want you to answer. If

you're being

bullied and you don't know what to do, or

at least don't want to talk to

someone who can support you, encourage you,

or give you advice, what would you do? Or

what method would you use to no longer

feel so, I could say

trampled by others.

Well, well, the first thing I wanted was to not

have to feel afraid of others. I

would have to defend myself, but not by

hitting them, without insulting them, but rather telling them

that it's wrong and not saying that not telling

an adult is wrong. Yes, they have to

warn them. But well, something important would be that they

that they

should tell the parents instead,

because if they tell an adult after

that, it would mean that the parents would

hit their children, but that's not

right. They would have to talk to the parents

so that they would reflect and talk to their

children so that they wouldn't do that anymore.

Thank you very much. Uh, another question

is, uh, when you see someone being

bullied and they want to use, as

my colleague Marlett already mentioned, they

want to use suicide, do you think

that would be okay or what else could be said

about it?

Well, the first thing I would tell her

would be that it's not okay because

suicide is not a way out. She would have to

do something like talk to an adult

to tell her that it's wrong and if she did

n't understand, then talk to a psychologist to

make her understand that it's not right.

right. Thank you.

Thank you.

How do you see the

students' perception, fellow Iberautas?

Your dialogue, your

narrative, is interesting and profound, right?

But in order to develop these

very important topics, you know? And we

had already mentioned previously that

the Teresa de Calcuta 69 secondary school

was chosen, which is the secondary school for the pilot project. And the students from schools with a boost were not present today. I'll tell you why. The interviews or programs that will be conducted with students from schools with a boost, which would be every 15 days in In the high school auditorium,

we would be broadcasting it every two weeks. But the

plan is to move to a

different school every day and have student-

student-

versus-student debates from the same

high schools in the classrooms. Okay? Now, let's

thank the principal of this

high school, and I'm going to ask him, if he would be

so kind as to ask you a

question, to come to the front .

Good afternoon, principal. How are

you feeling today?

Very well, thank you very much. Good afternoon.

And the

million-dollar question,

principal, is your school, your high school,

going to join the Schools with

Momentum project, as

other schools have been doing. Of course

. Our school is

part of this caravan being

promoted through Schools with

Momentum, because it's necessary to

have these types of events,

these activities where

values are nurtured and where young people feel that

confidence. I listened carefully to each

of their statements, and

I'm very pleased, and I'm even taking them

as a proposal for the improvement path we're on. We're

here to keep

the teachers working. And

indeed, of course we are. We're

joining this project, which is very viable

and, above all, rescues the values so we

can harmonize and live peacefully,

as we deserve.

Thank you very much for everything, and I'm going to

ask and request the teachers

here at this mixed secondary school who

are accompanying us in the classroom to

come in, please, if you would be so kind,

so that our fellow cybernauts

realize the very

committed teachers there are in this

secondary school, as in many others, and who

are providing a very appropriate solution and

are showing interest in this type of

problems. Come in, please,

Teacher Carlos, please, don't you mind

bringing your cap. Come in,

please, teacher.

What teacher do we need? No teacher.

teacher.

Yes, you can all see them, teacher. Can you all see

them in the frame?

All good.

Well, thank you very much, everyone. And the

teacher who's already taking pictures,

teacher, well, photographer,

come on, Monce. [Applause]

[Applause]

Very well, we're all here,

teachers, who are very shy. How's

Well, I want to express my deep gratitude to

all of you for your participation in

this project, "Schools with Impulse," and

that thanks to you,

this program,

the debate, was able to take place today at the mixed-gender secondary school 11,

located in the Lomas de Polanco neighborhood. I

also want to express my

deep gratitude to the director who is part of the "

Schools with Impulse" team,

Director Everardo Vallejo, who is in

charge of research.

Thanks to him and the entire team,

we are developing this very

important work that is helping to raise

awareness. I thank all of

you for your participation. Thank you for

joining, thank you for your

collaboration, and for realizing that

this problem, which is so prevalent

in schools right now

, can be solved. It can be achieved by forming

a great team like

you are. And fellow cybernauts, we'll

see you next time here at "

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