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Can Linus & Gamers Nexus Ever be Friends Again? | LMG Clips | YouTubeToText
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hey everyone uh before we start our
pre-ww show topic today I'd like to
acknowledge a couple folks I'd like to
acknowledge our team who works so hard
to deliver outstanding content to our
community and second I'd like to
acknowledge our community no one's
perfect yes even us and for as long as
lus Media Group has existed you guys
have been there to help us uh you've
held us accountable when we've gone
astray and you've also supported us when
an attack against us is unfair and it's
time for someone else to be held accountable
accountable
earlier this week Gamers Nexus took us
out of context again and I can't keep
ignoring this sort of thing lonus
recently in a wow episode said the
following uh Regarding why they did not
make a video when they found out about
the way honey Works years ago in
response to how he believed he might be
perceived if he had raised awareness to
H's actions when his team discovered
them everyone's mad at me it's that
simple the I'm spreading the word for
the smaller creators that argument
doesn't save me there and it's not going
to save me if I tell people to uninstall
this extension that gets them a better
deal so that
small creators can get their affiliate
Revenue are you kidding me there is just
no way that I make that video and I
don't end up hanging from the nearest
tree well that's the video we're making
right now and if that were to result in
backlash like he thinks it would then so be
be
it even if we ignore how disingenuous it
is to compare the climate today and what
we know today to The Climate years ago
when we originally dropped our honey
sponsorship our regular viewers will
know that I provided additional context
that dramatically changes the meaning of
that quote I mean I don't expect
everyone to agree with my viewpoint it's
very clear that not everybody does but
what I do expect is for it to be fairly
represented and this particular instance
of misquoting is bad enough that many
from Steve's own community used words to
describe it like disappointing
misleading disingenuous and straw man to
my knowledge no retraction has been
issued even though I believe it is
unlikely that the volume of comments
about this went unnoticed by Steve and
his team you guys may remember another
video Steve made about us back in August
of 2023 but what you might have missed
is that his treatment of us then was
part of the same pattern of poor ethics
and misrepresentation to be clear many
points in his video were valid but many
others were not and it was due to
fundamental flaws in his approach not
careless or sloppy flaws but objectively
unethical unjal flaws you shouldn't take
my word for that while I do often report
on things and I do my best to act in the
community's interest I'm not a
journalist so why don't we instead look
at ethics and journalism. org they have
some good articles on subjects like bad
news bias and right to respond or maybe
we could look to the BBC you can pick
your poison the point is that while not
every publication has exactly the same
rules there are plenty of helpful
resources out there that outline the
generally accepted standards and ethical
responsibilities of a journalist it's
clear reading any of them that Steve's
approach in recent years falls short in
numerous ways if you prefer a video
summary here's a convenient one from Dr
Ian CIS of more than Moore the story
Gamers Nexus provides is one
specifically about less Media Group
which changes the nature of such a topic
for example one part of ethical
investigative journalism is unless it's
uncovering an explicit crime or break of
the law reaching out to get a formal
response in advance Gamers Nexus did it
with principal Technologies and that
blew up Gamers Nexus did it with Newegg
and that blew up somehow those companies
got special treatment but lus Media
Group did not this isn't me sticking up
for lus Media Group here but i' be
interested to hear the reason for the
disparity Steve in his update video
explicitly states he doesn't have to ask
for permission but that's not the point
here reaching out to less Media Group
wouldn't stop you from posting your
video just like it didn't stop you
posting him posting the principal
Technologies or New Egg videos the
president set for the last 20 years of
tech journalism and 100 plus years of
investigative journalism is that you at
least Reach Out Ian's critique was
carefully worded and I don't blame him
given the climate at the time but it was
both extremely valid and it was pointed
enough that Steve felt compelled to
respond to it ironically with a rushed
late night ramble Fest that was so
poorly received that he pulled it down
before I even got a chance to finish
watching it back then thankfully there
are reuploads of the video if you look
for them but in a nutshell Steve spent
about 20 minutes rationalizing that
Decades of journalistic best practices
around right to reply simply don't apply
to him felt a little ironic coming from
someone who has accused me of
gaslighting in the past
now he did Issue a sort of retraction
via a community post that you can still
find on the channel where he committed
to republish that video at a future date
but he said that it would be within a
broader Channel update so I'm not
actually sure if that ever happened and
either way what he didn't do is retract
his flawed arguments only the video
where he made them I say this because
you can still find many of these
arguments on his secondary GN mini site
in the ethics statement
section now obviously there are valid
policies in here but many of the others
pretty much boil down to Steve's
personal moral code rather than the
standard journalistic code and I'll
expand on that a bit later but the short
version is that no reputable journalist
would validate his arbitrary
justification for his own conflicts of
interest or his convoluted no contact
policy that he used to justify his
failure to reach out to us for comment
as part of our right to
respond now some folks don't seem to
understand why this is so important I
have seen lots of speculation that lonus
was just upset because Steve cleverly
didn't give him a chance to weasle out
of legitimate
criticism but that is not the case we
have proven over the years again and
again we welcome constructive criticism
and we go out of our way to maintain
open communication Channels with our
community like through our sponsor
excuse me through our sponsor concern
section of our forum and through our
incredible ECC Squad who lends us their
expertise at multiple stages of our production
production
pipeline no right to respond matters
because of the impact that it can have
on your accuracy by taking a single
source and for his own reasons refusing
to fact check their misrepresentations
Steve made multiple critical errors in
his coverage of the Billet lab
situation now look I know this example
is from two years ago but it's one that
I'm obviously familiar with with and it
very clearly illustrates the way that
Steve believed and still believes that
he should be allowed to just avoid
inconvenient data sources when he crafts
his narratives first up Steve missed
that Billet originally gifted the block
to us we were under no obligation to
return it he missed that they told us
explicitly that it should work with a
490 before we attempted it he missed
that Billet told us they were
comfortable with us publishing the
underperforming results as long as as we
put it in context and finally Steve
missed that the block only went into our
Charity Auction because of an internal
miscommunication that left the block
marked as keeper a mistake that I took
action on within literal minutes of
finding out now I acknowledge that I
didn't handle the situation perfectly
but I think it is undeniable that these
omissions and errors are significant and
that they've done significant possibly
irreparable damage to my reputation to
my company and to my
finances to be clear I'm only pointing
out the finances because it's such an
important factor in cases of liel and
defamation as I stated recently when I
was discussing the honey class action
I'm not a litigious person I have no
intention of filing any kind of suit
because a it's really hard to say if the
line to defamation has been clearly
crossed and B it would be a giant waste
of time and money for everyone involved
I only bring it up to underscore the
gravity of the situation
the thing is words mean what they mean
and while morality is a personal
judgment journalistic ethics is not it's
determined by collaboration and
consensus between peers in the industry
look if Steve wants to do his own thing
and call himself a YouTuber with strong
moral fiber that's his opinion and he's
entitled to it and you're entitled to
agree or disagree but if he wants to use
word like words like ethics or
investigative journalism then there are
objective standards that he needs to
uphold and he doesn't get to decide when
they're important and when they're
not now I believe that Steve is aware of
these distinctions which suggests that
he is either ignoring his knowledge
because he has failed to properly
understand it or because he is
dishonest I have no evidence to suggest
that he is not smart enough to
understand these
principles what I do have experience
with personally is his dishonesty the
misquote of me in the honey lawsuit
video that forced me to address this is
self-evident but it's the
rationalization for not reaching out
about Billet that paints a more complete
picture for starters he asserts that the
information presented in his the problem
with lus Media Group video was already public
public
knowledge some of it was some of it
clearly wasn't Billet labs's
representations of our private
communication were not public knowledge
and as we demonstrated in our response
they were not provided in good faith or
with the appropriate
context had he reached out for
clarification I feel it would have been
clear both to himself and to his
audience that the events that led to the
block being auctioned were an honest
miscommunication I think it also would
have been obvious that any perception
that I behaved like a thief or a liar is
not supported by the facts it also would
have been clear that some retractions
and Corrections were required in order
to address the information that I
provided to my knowledge no such action
has been taken and the original video is
still up since we're at this I would
also be very curious to see receipts for
the claims that we have a history of
failure to resolve issues or
Communications okay GN further writes we
previously had nonpublic contact with
this organization lmg here about similar
matters that were not resolved
satisfactorily or wherein we sometimes
were the recipients of aggressive
messaging pertaining to review top
topics sorry
topics that is an extraordinary claim
that I believe requires extraordinary
evidence I'm not going to deny I've had
my fair share of cranky days in my life
it is possible also that he could be
referring to another individual who
worked here but I dug through every DM
and email that I could find with Steve I
probably don't have all of them I have
switched phones many times in my life
but I can't find any evidence to support
this I'm not perfect so I want to make
it upfront right here and say that if I
acted unprofessionally or aggressively
at any point that was not my intention
and I'm truly sorry but
also the whole thing just doesn't make
any sense like if you stop and think
about it if he reached out for comment
and I actually responded in the manner
that he alleges I might with dishonesty or
or
aggression publishing that response
right that would be great supporting
material for his
expose so even if the argument that he
doesn't need to reach out because I
could be rude and return held up
ethically which it doesn't it also
doesn't hold up logically and the same
goes for his claims that I could somehow
turn it into an opportunity to
mislead mislead who assuming his
evidence and conclusions are solid any
deceptive action that I took in public
would again give him further ammunition
to make his case and unless he's afraid
that I could somehow bamboozle him in
private the most that I could do there
is offer an explanation or context both
of which could only help him if his
intent was truly to provide an accurate
count unfortunately as many of you have
come to realize after the latest honey
thing I don't believe that that was ever
the intent now look I know that the
first criticism of this segment is going
to be there goes lonus again all emotional
emotional
defensive but what would you do what
would you have me do I apologized for
the errors that we've made and I kept my
mouth shut about this stuff for ages in
the interest of moving past this it's
not working and like this isn't some
random comment on Reddit guys this is an
influencer with massive reach
misrepresenting me on an ongoing basis
how long should I stay silent to atone
for my real sins and how many times
should I be unfairly attacked before I'm
allowed to get
defensive thing is if I allow myself to
be misrepresented that opens the door
for someone else to be misrepresented at
some point I'm sure you guys can agree
it becomes necessary to stand up for
yourself I am not saying I'm perfect
spoiler I'm super not but there are
numerous conflicts of interest around
Gamers Nexus covering Us in any way
which he well knows because he lists
them on his website and a token gesture
like for going the AdSense revenue on
one video Falls a little flat when you
compare what can be gained through
subscriber growth AdSense revenue on
future videos not to mention from
elevating one's own reputation and brand
at the cost of a
competitor over the last year and a half
I've made sometimes quite difficult
efforts to put aside my personal
feelings and move on in spite of my
well-founded concerns about Steve's
impartiality not to mention the painful
personal history some of which I just laid
laid
out we including me personally have made
an active effort to just go back to
normal start shouting out Gamers Nexus
we've done it multiple times for their
stories of reporting and so we should
when people do good work we as an
industry should praise it but that
should be a two-way street the honest
truth is I don't actually know what
Steve's issue with me is today my last
message to him was on the day he
published the Expose and I never got a
response I will read it here so we can
page a journalist might have reached out
for comment to get valuable context
first but we both know that once again
this wasn't about making the most
accurate video your glass house is
showing here I'm referring of course to
the analogy of throwing stones in a Glass
Glass
House scaling Beyond a few dudes is a
big Challenge and I really hope that one
day you get there one I still think that
even if your judgment is clouded right
now by the giant conflict of interest
you have around reporting on us your
heart's in the right place and that it
would be good for the industry two I
think it'll be good for your content and
for your audience for you to have a broader
broader
perspective I'll be moving forward as
normal and won't be participating in any
kind of nonsense public sniping it'd be
good for views or whatever but I'm
pretty focused on growing the company
and our test capabilities and our team
you're still welcome at Future LTX
events and we'd be happy to resume
working together in good faith if you
ever decide again that working together
as press is good for the industry until then
then
lonus what I said holds true today
including the part at the end I want to
move forward but that's going to take
some work from both parties not just me
so I'm going to shift gears and the next
part will be directed to Steve who was
sent an Advan copy of my letter today
which he has responded to kind of along
with a request for comment on his
apparent challenges around cing us
objectively Steve on W today I'll be
doing a segment outlining some of the
ethical and journalistic issues with
your content that I have observed
personally and that I have seen raised
by the community I will be especially
focused on how they have impacted your
coverage of me and my company because I
most familiar with the relevant facts
but these issues appear to run deeper
and I believe they could be impacting
your ability to be objective overall
something I know the Community Values
greatly there will be a particular focus
on your stance around right of reply
since it affects accuracy so much and
there will also be some discussion
around misquoting as in the recent honey
video as well as your ability to address
or your inability to address your clear
conflicts of interest when it comes to
covering an entity that you have chosen
to view as a direct competitor rather
than as a collaborator or peer as you
did in the
past if you have some comments and
evidence on what breakdowns caused your
inaccurate coverage of us in the past
why you seem to find it so challenging
to cover us objectively and what steps
you plan to make to rectify these issues
in the future I would be happy to
include your thoughts in this segment
the segment will also include the
following letter that is addressed to
you Steve we do our best around here to
do what we believe is right and to stand
up for the consumer that leads to us
doing journalist things sometimes and I
understand basic journalistic principles
but I'm not a journalist and I've never
claimed to be the reason I'm sending
this to you then is not because I'm some
journalist reaching out for comment but
out of respect and because I was once a
collaborator and supporter and I hope to
be again
someday for that to happen though I do
have some quests everyone is human and
we all make mistakes but I believe that
for you to become the journalist you
aspire to be there are some errors in
both your approach and in your coverage
that are large enough to Merit
correction obviously not everything
needs to be pulled your method's aside
it's clear you were right about a lot of
things in August of 23 but it's also
clear that between the conjecture
editorialization and what I hope are
simply errors rather than lies a number
of retractions are in order both on that
piece and in your other coverage this
isn't just for me but also for your
community who looks to you to do the
right thing as for the personal side of
things I can't ask you to like me you
clearly disagree on a personal moral
basis with some things I do which of
them are real and which of them are
performative I'm actually not sure
anymore but it doesn't matter that's
your personal compass and you got to follow
follow
it what does matter is treating others
in the industry with respect and being
prepared to be held accountable the same
way you hold others accountable
traditional journalism while a
competitive Battlefield has no absolute
Authority and is quite often a
Brotherhood with shared goals that hold
each other accountable to mutually
agreed upon standards standards it's not
a brutal free for- all so as part of
being a contributing member of the tech
Brotherhood I expect you to be open to
critique in the same way that you expect
others to be open to
critique I also expect that if you cover
us publicly in the future you do so with
honesty impartiality and proper
disclosure of your numerous conflicts of
interest with that said regardless of
your motives in 23 your actions did
serve as a wakeup call for us to
supercharge the changes that we were
slow rolling and for that I'm
thankful now it's time for your wakeup
call should you choose to accept it if
you can't put your biases aside simply
recusing yourself is an option but it
might require some further retractions
since you've claimed in the past that
covering us is so very important because
of our business's relevance to the tech
industry well if that's no longer the
case then any Snipes that relied on that
for justification
prob to go
too I understand you may not want to
rebild this bridge but I still want you
to know that while Gamers Nexus LLC is
every bit as much of a for-profit
business as lonus Media Group
Incorporated I lonus Sebastian the
individual still see you Steven Burke
the individual as a colleague and
potential future collaborator because
the reality of it is personal feelings
aside we both fight for the same team
the consumers and the community a
community that is stronger if we just
cut the tribalism and work
together I've always said that a rising
tide lifts All Ships and that we all
benefit from more interest in our Hobby
and more contributors to our community I
have always encouraged our viewers to
follow multiple outlets and get multiple
perspectives including yours you used to
tell me that you agreed with those
things I hope you can again because this
is going to be especially important as
we navigate the weirdness around
benchmarking machine learning assisted
cards like the upcoming 50 Series so in
summary I welcome valid constru Ive good
faith two-way feedback but when I told
you a year ago that I had no interest in
public sniping matches that was the
truth Our Community and Tech used to
stand out as one that embraced
collaboration and rejected beef I would
like that again I chose to make my
statement as a segment on Wow and a clip
on our Clips channels rather than a
dedicated video in hopes of finding a
balance between sharing my side finally
and igniting drama for views so can we
forget the past to move forward see you
at computex
lonus now I'd like to come back to
addressing you all for once in the
history of online
communities guys I beg of you this is
not oh shots fired do not get into a
mudslinging match over this continue the
good work you do holding creators
accountable but this is not and it
should never be LT versus G GN US versus
them some folks are going to insist on
interpreting it that way but I believe
the majority the rational viewers should
be able to see the truth of what I'm
saying even if they don't always agree
with the source and see the importance
of moving on as for the ones that can't
do that look if their Viewpoint is
closed we gain Nothing by arguing with
them except wasting our energy energy we
need to power RTX
509s so let's rise above
it so with that in mind then funny memes
in bounds I like humor as much as anyone
but if Steve wants to move on then I
would like to respectfully request an
end to the GN bashing posts for that
matter any other publication in our
various Community gathering places
YouTube comments Discord Reddit and the
LT forum and any that I haven't thought
of I'd like us to be the change we want
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