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the US economy and financial system is

the leader globally in laundering dirty

money i said to this wonderful group

let's pretend there's a big red button

up here on the lectern and if you push

that button you can stop all hard

narcotics trafficking tomorrow who here

will push the button and out of a 100

people dedicated to evolving our society

spiritually guess how many would push

the button i don't know one you

suggested the control grid is in part

designed to manage the population so if

you want to move people to a much lower

economic footprint having complete

control is obviously very convenient

okay so the bottom line is the majority

is about to get a lot poorer so the

question is where is all this money

going and one of the things I've looked

at is the underground base and city

infrastructure and transportation system

that's been built what would be the

purpose i think if you're worried about

a near extinction event

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so thank you for doing this um you get

and I know you've worked on this for

years but you get the sense if you're

just a sort of aware person that there

is a concerted attempt by governments

around the world to digitize

commerce and to digitize currency and to

basically control people through money

correct that correct okay so that was my

first question is this happening am I

imagining it it's absolutely happening

and what's important to understand it's

been happening for a long time in other

words this is like

a an invisible corral that's that

they've been building around you for a

long long time because the you know how

do a few sneak up on the many well you

have to do it very quietly and visibly

before you throw the trap so so

essentially what they're building

because it's converting a currency

system into a control system so it's

really the end of currency and and what

they're doing is they've been building

the different digital pieces and when it

integrates and comes together then you

literally have a digital concentration

camp it's complete and utter control

otherwise known as the world it's here's

the thing to understand we you and I

grew up in a world where there was mass

media where you were pitching stories

you know so you had 57 varieties of ice

cream and you're pitching them to 57

different niches but you're still

pitching to mass audiences what we're

talking about is a system where you can

surveil control and influence one person

at a time and with AI and software each

person can have their custom

surveillance influence nudging and

control system and punishment yes

enforcement because ultimately if you

control money you can starve people to

death you can kill them right so go back

and think of the pandemic so if I say

you can't go more than a mile from your

home and I say you can't you have to be

mandated a pharmaceutical then if you

don't take the pharmaceutical I can turn

off your money if you go more than a

mile away from your home your money and

your credit cards won't work so if you

know whatever rules I lay down there's a

wonderful uh wonderful example the head

of the bank of international settlements

is the central bank of central banks and

it's been running the process to

implement

basically an all digital monetary system

and they have innovation hubs all over

the world they've been running this

process for a long time and in 2020 when

the pandemic started or it was October

2020 so the pandem pandemic was underway

the general manager of the Bank of

International Settlements was on an IMF

panel and in one minute it's first time

in my life I ever saw a central banker

tell the truth i fell off my chair and

he said "You know the beauty of this is

we can set the rules on how your money

works and we have the technology to

enforce them." And what he was saying is

literally from one place in you know

anywhere in the world where the

technology exists you can track each

person individually you can set a a

complex list of rules you know like

legislation regulation and

administrative policy and you can

enforce them all with a technology with

AI and software so have you ever seen

there's a wonderful movie called the um

the lives of others about the German

Stazzy and surveillance it's about a

group of artists and sort of creative

talented people who are under

surveillance by the German Stazzy and

you see what it's like to be under

surveillance for

24/7 think of each one of us we're all

under surveillance not just by

governments but by corporations who are

trying to do something and it may not be

anything nefarious so 80 different

companies are trying to sell you

something or 80 different companies are

trying to get your data for some reason

and and so they have AI and software

bots that track you and follow you and

learn from you and try and influence

what you do because they're trying to

extract some kind of value from you and

literally think of you know being

attacked by a swarm of bees we're

surrounded now by a swarm of AI software

bots all trying to learn from us extract

something from us or get us to do

something now when you go to an all

digital system then there's no escape

and then they can start literally to

enforce rules they do now so So what are

the um manifestations of this that maybe

we're not paying attention to or don't

perceive for what they are so look at

what they did to the Canadian truckers

we don't like what you're doing we cut

off your money and we cut off your

friends money and if people help you we

cut off their money too so I've had I've

known so many different people around

the country who've been debbanked we

just got legislation passed in Tennessee

that a bank over a certain size couldn't

debank someone for political or

religious reasons you know and and you

you're one of the things that's

happening there's no such federal law

not that I know of but I haven't look

I've been working with the states

because ultimately the the one power

currently under the Constitution in the

United States that can stop this the

powers not delegated to the federal

government by the states are reserved to

the states in other words the states are

technically more powerful than the

federal government and under the

Constitution they have the power to

override the federal government on many

different issues including healthcare

and so one of the tensions we see in

America is more and more there is a

debate between the feds and and the

states about who has what power so we've

seen all a lot of the conservative AGs

and um treasurers pushing back in a in a

wonderful way in a marvelous way um the

challenge they have is this and this was

said to me by a senator in Northern Ohio

northern Ohio has one of the best groups

of sort of freedom fighting legislators

in the country and as you probably know

because you know Montana it's very

beautiful and um you talk about Montana

uh Idaho Idaho okay so so but it's right

you know it's right next to Montana so

one of the Idaho senators said to me he

said my problem every time I fight to

implement the

constitution he said what I learn is

that every year we send a dollar to

Washington and every year Washington

sends back

$1.19 and when I say I want to implement

the Constitution my constituents say to

me I'd rather have the 19

so what we've been watching literally

since World War II is the federal

government and a very you know large s

both monetary and fiscal policy buying

people out of the constitution and

buying the whole federal I mean the

federal government is right now so

operating so far outside the law it's

you know you know how unbelievable it is

so that's the challenge before us if we

want to be

free you know we're going to have to

decide we're not going to let ourselves

be you know it's it's like being um sort

of walked into the slaughter house we're

not going to walk into the slaughter

house and but you don't even I I guess

what bothers me about it there's

something wonderfully straightforward

horrifying but wonderfully

straightforward about just a

conventional invasion where people show

up with guns and tell you what to do

because at least you know who the enemy

is but there's something

very scary in an insidious way about

being lulled into slavery right and the

thing to understand about the lulling is

the lulling the marketing plan works one

person at a time in other words you know

you I buy with money your friend I buy

by knocking them off or the other you

know your other friend I I get a control

file on so there are thousands of

different ways of nudging buying carrots

and sticks to get everybody into the

control into into the trap and and what

is so insidious about this is much of

the marketing plan is invisible and it's

and it really is crafted one by one uh

the odds seem overwhelming against the

average person in a system that you just

described so um how far are we from not

being able to exercise constitutional

freedoms so I don't know how many years

they're clearly pushing to have this

done by 2030

and you know what I do have to say is if

you look at what it takes to stop it I

believe they're going to fail now what I

don't underestimate is how much damage

they could do and the you know the

failure may not come in time to save

America so if we could just stop and

define terms who is they uh I the

central bankers yes right so we we have

a democratic republic or we have a

republic and use this democratic

process what happened in 1913 is the

bankers took control of monetary policy

what they're trying to do now is take

control of fiscal policy once they get

control of fiscal policy it's going to

be much harder to reverse it can you um

I'm going to ask a series of really dumb

questions i hope you'll indulge me

what's the difference taxation without

representation but between fiscal and

monetary policies okay monetary policy

is I control the process by which

currency is issued including through

credit so so I generally govern and

control credit issuance yes and and and

from that the currency the creation and

management of the currency fiscal policy

is one I control the taxes and the

borrowing of the US government now

because the central bank

basically operates the borrowing you

know it's the the borrowing shared but

this comes down as the you know this is

the Boston Tea Party moment can they tax

without representation so I'll give you

a little story during the Biden

administration Biden nominated somebody

for control of currency who was

ultimately not approved uh the

Republicans in the Senate killed uh the

nomination before she was nominated

three weeks before she wrote an article

in the Vanderbilt Law Review that said

"The great thing about central bank

digital currency," in other words an all

digital currency system is you have the

perfect tool to deal with inflation if

inflation gets out of hand you just

freeze everybody's bank accounts

nice right right right you know so it

it's it's um so in inflation is a

creation of monetary it's the effect of

monetary policy it's like something that

somebody did to you well there are two

things that cause inflation so one is

monetary policy uh uh managing monetary

policy in a way that creates in monetary

inflation but you also have and we're

going through it now what I call del

globalization where you have real

increases in the cost of goods so my

cost of goods are going up and it's not

because they're issuing you know too

much currency relative to growth it's

because we are reversing globalization

globalization created a whole lot of

lower costs for a variety of reasons so

if you had severing of supply chains for

example that would cause inflation

because it just costs more to get the

materials and the goods right and and

it's not just higher prices it's you

know some products a lot of products

stop being economic and just go away so

you know when you hiccup supply chains

especially if you do it by shock

doctrine or shock and all which is what

we're watching now you know it wrecks

havoc so think of it like a a a flotilla

of ships that need to turn if the

aircraft carrier doesn't let everybody

know they're turning then the the boats

aren't ready to turn and you have boats

smashing into each other you sink a lot

of ships doing that you sink a lot of

ships

um so leaving aside whether that was

wise or not that's what we're doing

right um so you get inflation out of

that of course you're absolutely right

if if oil prices go up you get inflation

cuz right and that deglobalization

started in the financial crisis so you

know so it's accelerating now but it's

not that we just started it how did it

start during in 2008 yes yes cuz why

because for several reasons but one is

we were trying to exercise more and more

control through the dollar system and

we've always exercised a lot of power

and control and and extracted a subsidy

from the dollar system but you have more

and more people trying to get out of the

system and um the financial crisis that

first the Asian crisis in 97 was a real

wake up to Asia you know you you need to

create more resiliency but more and more

things happened and then in 2008 it

started to accelerate with the creation

of the you know as the bricks started to

organize and work to sort of pull out of

the idea was you've got a world economy

based on the dollar the people who issue

and administer the dollar are not

running things responsibly therefore we

need a separate safe haven there the

people running the dollar system want a

unipolar model yeah the US wants a

unipolar model and we don't want to be

part of a unipolar model because we

don't want if you look at the level of

subsidy they're

extracting we don't want that level of

of subsidy extracted and if you look at

some of the rules and regulations we

don't want to be a part of it so we in

India the the I don't know if you ever

saw one of the

greatest explanations of globalization

ever given sir James Goldsmith came to

the United States in 1994 and he did an

interview with Charlie Rose and he

described why we should never approve

the Uruguay round of GAT and institute

the WTO and he to this day he nailed

nailed it perfectly if you could

summarize his argument what would it be

he said "We are going to hollow out the

middle class in the

west and we are going to devastate our

culture."

All to make our culture yes our culture

we're going to devastate our culture and

we're going to devastate the quality of

the food supply he said that yes so now

those are my words of way of saying it

you should watch it and I I think to

this day I think it's the best

description and and if you read my

online book and you listen to Sir James

Goldmith what they both describe is the

fact we knew we knew what we were in

other words the leadership knew how that

this would destroy or devastate the West

so why' they do it

that's the $64,000 question they hate

the West defenders of the West no I

don't think they are i think one of the

reasons they did it is I think they

wanted to create the capacity and

centralize the capital they needed to go

into space and I think they knew that

they would need every hundred or so

years the central bankers do a reset and

I think they knew they were coming into

a reset and and they felt with this

technology that they you know if they

didn't globalize someone else would and

and they wanted to control the process

to go they needed the money to go into

space mhm the capital well I don't even

know what that means so I think they

wanted to build the capacity to become a

multilanetary civilization

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anybody say that i had no idea that was

happening so I became I didn't become

convinced of that in 1994 i became

convinced were you still working for the

federal government in '94 uh uh my

company was the lead financial adviser

for the Department of Housing and Urban

Development and I was trying to clean up

the mortgage corruption and what I ran

smack into is that they were clearly and

intentionally setting up the

infrastructure to dramatically increase

mortgage fraud intentionally mortgage

fraud is a public private partnership

between the New York Fed member banks

and the and the federal government so so

the Treasury and the Fed were clearly

engineering a massive new mortgage

bubble and essentially I was doing a

series of things and and that mortgage

bubble was going to centralize capital

and I was working on a whole plan coming

out of the Bush administration we were

taking all our profits and investing in

building a software infrastructure that

would help communities

decentralize political and economic

power but in a way that would create new

great wealth and one of the projects we

had was we were working with uh I had a

subsidiary that had a a project working

with the top pension fund leaders in the

country and and essentially our job was

to figure out how the pension funds

could invest so that they could handle

this baby boomer demographic going

through the pension and retirement

system and um and and how we could do it

how they could invest their money

because they're operating at such a size

that it would be good for America you

know how do you build a stronger America

in a way that helps the baby boomers you

know live in retirement and um I made a

presentation in the spring of

1997 to we were at a big money

management firm outside of Pennsylvania

and one of the board members was a money

manager who worked with a lot of the

pension funds and so we had all these

top corporate and state pension fund

leaders and I made a presentation and we

had done a simulation of re-engineering

the Philadelphia economy to achieve this

and um the top pension fund leader

looked at me and he said "Oh my god you

know this is very similar to what we

tried long ago and it didn't work." And

I said "You didn't have the internet you

didn't have the tools to get the average

person's learning metabolism high enough

you know on an economic basis to do that

we had built a data servicing company in

lowinccome communities and we were able

to show how easily we could get the

labor force or people on welfare off of

welfare and make making lots of money

and being very productive at high speed

and and he looked at me and he said "You

don't understand it's too late." I said

"What do you mean it's too late?" He

said "They've given up on the country

they're moving all the money out

starting in the fall." He said "You've

got to get to Nick Brady." Nick had been

my I had been a partner at Dylan Reed

and Nick had been the chairman of Dylan

Reed before he became Secretary of

Treasury and at that point Nick is out

but you know sort of involved anyway he

said you you've got to get to Nick and

let him know it's not hopeless this can

all be turned around and um and I

thought he meant we the pension funds

have been instructed to reinvest equity

and reallocate our equity into the

emerging markets which made sense

because they had a much higher growth

rate um what I didn't realize then was

and I realized shortly

thereafter in October of 1997 that's the

beginning of the 1998 fiscal year huge

enormous amounts of money started go

started disappearing from the US

government and literally

um by the time of 911 there was 4.1

trillion missing from DoD and HUD and if

you remember the day before 911 Donald

Rumsfeld stood up and and basically said

he he did a press conference and he said

there's 2.3 trillion in undocumentable

adjustments last year at DoD and we're

missing money and it's you know it's

worse than terrorism and then of course

I was working with a report on a huge

story that would have published that

Friday after 911 about the missing money

we'd been working on it for over a year

and she'd done nine stories i'd helped

her do nine stories because we were

trying to get the general accounting

office um now that now they call it to

the general accountability office but we

were trying to get both Congress and the

GAO to do something about it and to try

and stop it and um anyway as you know

yeah priorities changed um for reasons

that we still don't understand and there

was well I don't think the average

person the average person I think sort

of thinks well maybe there were 19 guys

from Saudi or something i call the

Patriot Act the the control and

concentration of cash flow act because

what one of the things that happened

after 9/11 if you if you look at the

history of the black budget and sort of

secret financing that the government

uses for secret and classified projects

that pot of money had grown and grown

and grown and it it had become very

dysfunctional to try and get that money

mortgage fraud to I believe was one of

the biggest sources and that's why what

I was doing sort of went into the heart

of the problem but um uh the Patriot Act

and that whole process was very

successful at moving a lot more

money onto the budget in other words it

made it much easier to get enormous

amounts of money for the national

security state

um as a result of what happened now you

know whenever you do an operation like

this you stack functions so it's only

one of many goals but it was very

successful boy it went all went right

over my head um I thought it was all

about Muhammad i had no idea i know

you're laughing um I want to tell you my

church story wait hold on there's so

many threads here um yeah there's a lot

of threads yeah there's a lot of threads

i just want to I don't want to let it

continue to hang in the air this

question of space you sort of threw that

out parenthetically but like what I've

never heard that before so you believe

going back 30 years that people in the

US government and in the finance world

wanted money for Yeah it wasn't US

government it was the central banking if

you look at the c if you look at the

group of people who meet through the BIS

the bank the BIS is the bank of

international settlements and it's the

central bank of central banks where is

that located it's in Basil Switzerland

and um it has 63 of the most

powerful in uh central banks as its

members and the New York Fed and the Fed

are both shareholders they became

shareholders in 1994 in one sentence

what's the what's the purpose of the

Bank of International Settlements okay

so there are two things you need to know

about the Bank of International

Settlements i'm not sure my brain's big

enough for this but keep going it is

okay it has sovereign immunity

what does that mean it's above the law

it's its own country right it's its own

country it has its own police force and

essentially other than one of its staff

being in a car accident or you know

minor things no one has the legal

authority to move against

it okay it has sovereign immunity that's

number one number two it can move money

and hold it on its bank uh on its

balance sheet and manage money secretly

so if I want to I'm and I'm grossly

oversimplifying if I want to steal 21

trillion from the US government and park

it on the balance sheet of the BIS it

can move it anywhere in the world and it

can keep it on its balance sheet

secretly

why would there be an organizational

first of all where does its power like

who empowered it to have sovereign

immunity in the right was created after

World War I and and and sort of

collected its powers and got going in

the 30s and it was created in theory to

manage the reparations of the German

government but if you read the real

history it was because the Bank of

England and the central bankers wanted

an entity that had sovereign immunity

they wanted to be able to move money

secretly so for example if you look at

what happened during World War II and

all the money that was moving back and

forth between the Germans and Americans

you know Dulles was over in Switzerland

helping to match these all these

transfers back and forth so there's a

wonderful book called The Tower of Basil

by a wonderful Hungarian journalist

where he documents and describes the

whole history of the bank of

international settlements and if you

want to understand power in this world

understanding the how the bank of

international settlements and the and

the plumbing of the central banking

system works is very very important

i've always been worried that if I knew

more that I would become mentally ill no

no so I just have to say that reality is

sort of the

door that you open to find real

solutions so there are real solutions

and and the biggest obstacle to

implementing them is nobody wants to

face it so I used to have a pastor who

was nobody wants to face the truth of

how things nobody wants to face the

truth and I understand that because the

hardest thing I ever had to do Tucker

was look in the mirror and say "I'm the

psy i was the assistant secretary of

housing i didn't know." And I went along

and I didn't face this i should have

seen this faster i should have said "I'm

the psy." And it was it it's sometimes

it's harder than facing death to admit

that you've been part of you know a big

lie and you've been tricked as someone

who advocated for the Iraq war on

television I I've lived this to some

extent oh no yes I did well you know you

part of facing this is you have to

forgive yourself you really have to but

I used to have a pastor who would say

"If we can face it God can fix it."

Because you have to understand we can't

fix it there are many many things we can

do to change the course and I believe

ultimately freedom can prevail and

there's many things we can do to help

that happen but ultimately this is a

spiritual war and you have to call on

God you have to call on the divine and

that's where the battle is ultimately

going to be decided and that means

literally I believe this is true the

divine intelligence cannot go to work

unless we're willing to face it you know

we have to look at it we have to pray we

have to ask for help and we have to deal

with it and the solutions the real

solutions will be cultural there'll be

millions of people acting in their own

life refusing to be controlled you know

individually so very very wise what you

just said i think it's true and and

thank you for saying that i want to just

go one more time to the space question

so you said that

um people with power uh at the central

banks decided that we need to sort of

colonize space or move towards space did

that happen so here's what happened and

we have two wrap-ups and I think I sent

them to you one is uh we published in

2015 called Space Here We Go and it's

got a picture of a businessman you know

taking off in a spaceship and then we in

2017 after a couple of the big

investment banks wrote big things about

space investment we wrote one called the

space-based economy and then we we track

space on solar report so I would refer

refer you to that but I think

um I think you know first of all you've

seen a lot of capital centralized into

um a few billionaires who then reinvest

that money in space so Musk Bezos you

know so clearly there's a centralization

of capital and a reinvestment so the

idea of space is what I mean just

biggest possible picture why would you

be interested in space i say this as

someone who's not right so so let me

give you a couple reasons why first of

all you're looking for the miners are

looking for a variety of different

resources so there are practical reasons

if you can get the cost down that you

would want to do asteroid mining um the

big one the big economic one is control

is most easily implemented by satellites

so you want to put up a whole ring of

satellites that combined with

telecommunications can basically help

run the control grid and not just the

control grid in the west the control

grid if you're going to shift huge

amounts of money globally how are you

going to track and enforce that your

money is being properly invested well

you need a control grid globally so I I

think that's part of it the last thing

and I don't know the answer to this is I

think there is real concern about

geohysical risks

and one way to deal with that is to make

sure we don't bet the ranch on one

planet so to that if we could just

linger on that thank you for that um

that all makes sense uh if we could just

linger on one question so geohysical

risks so we've been lectured for I don't

know 30 years now about climate change

climate change is obviously an ongoing

feature of life on this planet the

glaciers it's just enough

so well of course it's enough and I

think we you know people have figured

that out

um but but that doesn't mean that smart

highly informed people aren't worried

about geohysical risks they are and I

know some of them are so what do you

think those risks are that that honest

smart people who are interested in

self-preservation and thriving like what

are the risks they're worried about so I

think I think the first is a solar

minimum where you get big drops in the

economy and the agriculture and you

can't feed the population right so

because there are changes in climate

because of the distance of the earth

from the sun right and that changes

right so we know throughout history we

go through periods of solar minimum

solar minimum is the name I think it's

called solar minimum I'm not an expert

in any of this so um so they are worried

about climate change but they don't

think it's coming from your suburban

Right it's not coming from human

behavior now there there are

environmental problems coming from human

behavior and those are that's for sure

right so so so so that's one um and do

you think that risk is real i don't know

for the record I I I have one friend

who's very well informed who has

convinced me that that is real that

they're that they're very concerned

about water if if you look at the

history you know of solar minimums and

you look at what it does to you know

there was a Russian I I can't remember

if he's an economist or science that did

a lot of research on the stock market

and solar activity you know and the the

if you're the central bankers and you're

in charge of managing the financial

system that that reality would make me

very nervous so okay so I think I you

know I think there's something there

worth understanding the other thing is

every it appears to me if you go back

through history um every 10,000 12,000

years we have you know some kind of huge

disaster an extinction event an extin a

near extinction event so I don't know if

you've ever read the science fiction

book threebody problem no it's

fascinating it's a one of the top

Chinese science fiction uh and and it's

about um uh a I've read no Chinese

science fiction okay

i'm feeling very ignorant this morning

no no no no because I Here's the thing

i'm just trying to figure out what in

the world's going on yeah amen we'll

start in the same place and so that

always as you know that always leads you

to the most it does right it does right

so in one I think it was I think the

thing that got me to read threebody

problem was um Obama made some cryptic

comment about people ought to read this

book it was like hint hint you know here

are the problems I'm dealing with and

the three-body problem is about um uh uh

other bodies that come into the solar

system and you it's there it's

impossible to predict their trajectory

and then when they do they create this

catastrophic flooding and earthquakes

and all this other stuff anyway but but

I think that there whether it's a pole

shift magnetic pole shift is one of the

you know theories of what causes these

events um but there is a history of near

extinction events and one of the things

that I've looked at because I'm trying

to figure out you know when TWW between

19 uh fiscal 1998 and fiscal

2015 there were 21 trillion of

undocumentable adjustments in the US

government if you go to our website

missingmoney.solier.com we have years

and years of documentation including the

government financials that show this and

so the question is where's all this

money going and one of the things I've

looked at in the process of looking at

where all this money is going is the

underground base and city infrastructure

and transportation system that's been

built and I'm sorry yes so so we have

built an extraordinary number of

underground bases and supposedly

transportation systems some of these are

a record of some of these are documented

as part of the national security

infrastructure i think there are many

more so um in the United States in the

United States and all over the world but

um in uh from 2021 to 2023 I took one of

the smartest subscribers in the Celier

report network and he and I spent two

years collecting all the data and all

the allegations on underground basis and

then we um we systematically went

through and tried to estimate our guess

this is totally a guess of how many

underground bases both underground in

the United States but also underground

under the ocean around the United States

and our estimate was

170 with a transportation network

connecting them and what would be the

purpose the purpose if you thought you

were going to get a near extinction

event so so there to me there are two

purposes you have so many activities

going on that you need to keep secret

that you're basically building the

capacity to for example if you're doing

a secret space program you need to

platform it from you know things that

can't be seen but I think if you're

worried about a near extinction

event you know that's

so I know nothing about this other my

only window into it um I knew a

contractor who worked on one in

Washington in the city of Washington DC

and Um I remember him telling me about a

power box like a transformer box on

Constitution

Avenue that he told me cuz he worked on

it personally uh was actually the exit

the egress from the White House that was

kind of by vehicle i thought that was I

was like really oh yeah no I I installed

it i know and I thought well that's kind

of crazy that in the middle of this big

city where I live I lived in I was on

Constitution Avenue every day that you

could build something like that without

me knowing it under the VP's house at

the Naval Observatory same thing i think

most people know that next to my

brother's house on Mcome Street in DC so

also so like but that's I always thought

that was like preparation for nuclear

war like I didn't really think about it

that much some of it yeah but it's it's

preparation for catastrophe so but you

think that there are um facilities like

that in other places outside DC oh yeah

so if you're interested we have a great

interview i did an interview of Richard

Dolan on underground bases on the salary

report and it's sort of an introduction

to the topic and it's based on a lot of

the research of a guy named Richard

Solder who is very hard to interview so

Richard kind of went through all the

material and and um you know clearly

it's I don't know if you ever saw

Washington Post did a a project it was

in 2010 or 12 called Top Secret America

and one of the reporters it was a team

of two reporters one of them put

together a database of all the different

top secret installations that had been

built in the country including since the

Patriot Act and what you saw was just

this explosion of money in building so

many both underground and above ground

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as a theological matter I hate to say

this but I think it's true if you're

building a lot

underground you're on the wrong

side i just don't I don't think that's a

good sign so I'll tell you a very funny

I mean right i mean like just like let's

just the obvious first that's not good

so I'll tell you a very funny story

um so in uh after I left the

administration uh after I left the Bush

administration I went on the board of

Sally May and um I'm on the board of

Sally May and after one of the first

meetings there's a wonderful stop I

don't I you've been talking about

underground bases and colonizing space

and you clearly seem totally sane but

I'm sure some people like well she's

obviously crazy i should have set the

stage at the beginning with your

biography like you're as mainstream

you're on the board of Sally Sally May

you're a partner at Dylan Reed it's like

right you're not just like on the

internet

right i'm sorry i just want to say that

i just want to say that this is like a

former high level federal official who

was on the board of Sally May and a

partner at Dylan Reed okay just want to

say it out loud okay so so I'm on the

board and there was a lovely chairman a

really lovely guy and he comes up he he

says "Can I talk to you after the

meeting?" And I said "Sure." And he

pulls out this big glossy brochure for

the Council on Foreign Relations and he

said "The time has come for you to

join." And he said "We want you to ask

Nick Nick Brady to sponsor you." And I

said to him you know Sam I just don't

want to do this i I I just I I really

don't want to do this and he looked

shocked and he said "You don't

understand if you don't do this you're

out forever." And just at that moment

just at that moment you know it's it's

these moments when things come to you i

saw in my mind I'm very pictorial i saw

in my mind a locker in the underground

base and they were taking my name off of

the

locker and I thought I thought you know

if it comes to that I'll take my chances

upstairs with the way yeah me too and I

said and but it's this it's a you know

something it's at the deepest root it's

a spiritual and cultural question

totally agree who who's cowering

underground like in the dark places no

there's but to to me there's nothing

wrong with going into a bunker if

they're bombing okay you know I don't

have a problem with that but I I really

didn't want to be with all of them in a

concentrated space it was like no I'd

rather And you know them this is you're

not guessing at this like you know a lot

of these people i know a lot of these

people and the one thing I will have to

say if there's anything I learned from

history the problem is not they are bad

and we are good that's not how this

works the evil and the good is threaded

at every level of society every

community every enterprise it it doesn't

work like that well I'm not especially

good i know that i know that for a fact

so I think you're pretty good yeah but

of course you know more about yourself

than anyone else does and I know that

what a flawed person I am so I'll never

declare myself on right on uh you know

I'll never say God's on my side i'll say

I want to be on God's side but it's an

open question well it's a journey it's

never over right and and we're not

perfect and it's you try every day to do

as good as you can you know and it's

like baseball you get some hits some

days and some days you strike out

so um but you believe that there's a

whole constellation of underground bases

built by the US government uh in the

United States like that fact alone just

the physical infrastructure of it

because normally talk about what are

they doing enormously expensive what's

unbelievable and like it raises lots of

practical questions how do you ventilate

them what about food and water supply

you know where's the energy are we using

breakthrough energy or where's the

energy come right right because I'm sure

that we have the ability to to produce

breakthrough energy at very low cost you

know if you go back sure of that um my

Dutch partners uh I met because they

were doing a series of conferences on

breakthrough energy and they brought

together breakthrough energy inventors

from around the world and you know you

can see all the videos up on the

internet and and really went through the

history from Tesla on of different

inventors who have discovered and

claimed different innovations with

breakthrough energy and I'm convinced

that this energy exists and I'm also

convinced if you look at a lot of the

really fast ships you know flying around

the planet you know that they you know

they're not using classical electricity

right so so you know they're not running

on diesel right exactly right so

um yeah so we know that these I'm sorry

to I get so caught up in the details but

we know that there are quite a number of

large underground bases in the United

States we can't state that as fact right

and then the question becomes of course

like if they're connected to the power

grid you know if they're pulling off

just a conventional natural gas

electricity generation station you could

like know that measure it but you think

they have independent energy sources of

course they do so one of the one of the

questions I have that I think is really

important is when you look at

breakthrough energy if you were running

the planet so I have this nickname for

the committee at the top Mr global if

you were Mr global you would not want to

implement breakthrough energy on a

widespread basis for a variety of

reasons one of which is everybody got a

hold of it and weaponized it it could be

very dangerous why um my understanding

is that um uh literally one small group

of people could take this you know with

no sovereign powers or you know just

organized crime and use it in a way that

could weaponize it and make it very

dangerous i don't I I'm not a scientist

i don't really understand right but

energy by definition is dangerous you

know gasoline is dangerous right right

electricity is dangerous of course

nuclear energy is dangerous right but if

you're if you're if you're the risk

manager and you're charge of managing

the planet you know this has more

disruption capability both weaponization

economic you know suddenly everybody's

free to do whatever they want so they're

much harder to control so so if you're

Mr global and you have the capacity to

dramatically lower the energy cost the

other danger is then population

skyrockets and you you're concerned

about that so if you're Mr are global

and you're worried about what will

happen if you bring this technology out

it's very convenient to get complete

control if you don't trust the

population to be environmentally

responsible or politically responsible

then complete control so I have a we

have a good mutual friend who's been

bothering me for years to interview you

you've got to interview her

so cle well just cuz he's he said this

is like the best informed smartest most

reasonable mainstream sane person I know

of you he said this and I was like yeah

okay anyway I'm just really glad we did

this interview cuz you're blowing my

mind up and down um

uh so how convinced are you that

breakthrough energy alternate forms of

energy non-publicly disclosed forms of

energy are in use by the US government

i think there's a very high chance that

that they're in some kind of use in a

very controlled secret way yeah well

there are tons of indications and you've

had right a number of people like at the

contractor level like I'm a federal

contractor electrician or a you know

concrete guy or whatever and I was

working on this underground facility

there are a number of people who come

forward to say this and I saw what

appeared to be some brand new form of

energy I didn't understand right and

sane people too sean Ryan who's a friend

of mine wonderful guy honest man who's a

podcaster interviewed did an interview

with this guy who was just like a just a

random bluecollar guy i think he was a

concrete guy you know and he got a call

for a million yards of concrete or

whatever and went to this underground

facility DoD facility and saw clearly

signs of some energy source that

was you know defied the laws of known

physics so uh and there are a bunch of

people have said stuff like that so I

don't think it's crazy so I have a one

of I have two businesses one is the cer

report the other is salary screens i do

an investment screen and I think you

know a lot has to shift in investment if

we're going to have a real civilization

and not misallocate i think we're

misallocating capital terribly anyway

but he he for 30 years has been an

investor in a breakthrough energy

company someone you know has been Yeah

yeah and and it's called Brilliant Light

can go look at their website you know

and and they're really you know they

swear they've got it

and what is it

don't ask me

you got to get him on and so um you

think this money has been taken by

people who've really thought through the

future and are determined to survive it

so I think I call it a financial coup i

think what happened was when the budget

deal busted in

1995 they gave up on the government they

just said you know this form of

government will not work as a governance

structure to manage the dollar system

they're right about that and and you

know they just felt it was impossible if

you're a risk manager you got to turn

the aircraft carrier before you hit the

iceberg and that could be 20 years

before do you know what I mean and they

just felt that the system wasn't working

and it required to get consensus you

just had to dumb people down and buy

them off and it just wasn't working so I

think they decided okay we're going to

re-engineer government on the just do it

method the first thing we're going to do

is we're going to pull all the money out

we're gonna put the government in a debt

trap and then we'll squeeze it and shift

to the control model and it was a

financial coup and it started in fiscal

1998 so it started literally October 1st

1997 by 2015 they had had 21 tr we had

reports in their financials of 21

trillion of undocumentable adjustments

from a cash standpoint you know it could

be 50 it could be 50 trillion or 10

trillion there's no way to tell unless

you can get access to the bank records

and then what happened was Dr mark

Skidmore of Michigan State University

and I published a study sort of a survey

we had done thanks to him and his

students that announced that we were up

to the 21 trillion at that point then

the next step that happened remember the

Kavanaaugh hearings very well okay what

you don't remember is during the

Kavanaaugh hearings the White House the

Senate the um House Republican and

Democrat all of them together instituted

issued an administrative policy called

Federal Accounting Standards Advisory

Board Statement 56 yeah I did miss that

i'll just say you did miss that yeah I I

was busy watching cabinet yell about his

teenage drinking or whatever

and what that policy said is as a matter

of administrative policy we do not have

to obey the constitutional provisions

related to financial budgeting and

disclosure we do not have to obey the

laws and we do not have to obey the

regulations what we can do is appoint a

secret group of people by a secret

process to move money out of the

financial disclosures of the United

States and 150 so it's the 24 covered

agencies plus approximately 150

governmental entities and when you throw

in the classification laws and the um

the national security laws it also

applies to the big banks and

contractors working for the US

government now let me explain what this

means as a matter of investment when I

look at the US large cap stock market or

the US bond market the Treasury market I

have no financial disclosure that has

any meaning everything's secret i have

no idea what it means if I pick up the

financials of a New York Fed member bank

that is running the New York the US

Treasury Department's bank accounts or

if I pick up the Treasury financial

statements they're meaningless they

don't mean anything what's missing

you can't know all you can know is a

secret group of people can move whatever

make whatever they want go missing and

you can't know what it

is it's all secret so I'm I'm looking at

half the cake but I don't know what what

part of the cake is missing so it it's

meaningless you don't even know if it is

half right i I don't it it's you know it

it has reached a level of

absurdity where and but but the absurd

thing is as a legal matter to take the

position that an administrative policy

agreed upon by the uni party can

overrule the constitution can overrule

the laws and can overrule the

regulations simply

by you know like the you know you you

wave the wand and suddenly magically law

doesn't matter i mean now you're talking

and and you also saw this in in the

financial crisis a decision was made by

Eric Holder in the Department of Justice

to not prosecute HSBC there's a

wonderful uh video on the best evidence

channel by John Titus about this whole

thing and basically what they said is a

systemically

important this is under the BIS there's

a definition under the BIS under the

financial stability board of a

financially systemically important

institution right these institutions are

free to break the law with

no they're free to break the law at most

all they have to do is kick back a piece

of the profits to the Department of

Justice so it's like a a formal kickback

system and what you're saying is that

you're taking the sovereign immunity of

the BIS and through the New York Fed

extending it to the banks that are

running these operations JP Morgan and

the rest Bank of America yeah right so

so what you're what you've done with the

BIS the IMF the World Bank the UN you've

created all these different

organizations and if you look at we we

did like 40 in Latin America we've

created an international overlay of

organizations that have various forms of

sovereign immunity of course the big one

being the BIS and so if they are free to

break the law I mean if you if you look

at the financial crisis what you're

saying is these companies can lose

trillions of dollars have it replaced by

the taxpayer and keep on going

so now is the point of the conversation

where I have to ask the obvious question

which is who are these people so can you

name some of the people who you believe

are making these decisions whose whose

decisions are effectively as you just

said above the law have effective

immunity right so so that's the question

sort of who is Mr global and and my

experience is the bureaucracy that that

sort of runs things is the central

banking bureaucracy so we've described

the BIS and the central bankers so think

of the planet as a house so you have the

house then you have financing the house

that's the mortgage then you have the

insurance and you know if you don't have

the insurance then your e then you have

the equity in the house right and and

the insurance layer is very very

important to make sure that the equity

is protected right okay so you got the

real assets you've got the banking

system you've got the insurance system

and then you've got the

owners so in my experience if you go to

the BIS and you look at the systemically

important institutions and the members

you know that's the bureaucracy that

runs the debt and the transaction system

so the you know the

transactions because the whole thing

depends on being able to swap and and

transact the insurance group is very

important for the reasons you just

described same as on your house and then

the question is who are the real owners

and that's the mystery and I've spent my

whole life trying to figure out who are

the real owners and basically from what

experience I've had if you know their

name they're not one of the important

owners do you know what I mean it's it's

intergenerational pools of capital now

here's what's interesting one of the

most powerful pools of intergenerational

capital that I've ever dealt with is the

Harvard Endowment and if you look at the

squabble going on over who controls the

Harvard endowment right now it's a very

interesting squabble can you summarize

well you have you have the Trump

administration and the Department of

Justice now in a lawsuit with Harvard

over who has what powers over Harvard's

policies but I think the big the big

fight is not the you know in

asymmetrical warfare the fight is never

what the fight's really about the real

fight is about who controls the So

Harvard Corporation the university is

only a portion of the Harvard

Corporation the Harvard Corporation runs

the university and it runs the endowment

okay and the Harvard Corporation in my

experience is one of the most important

investment syndicates in the world and

because they have a tax exemption they

don't have to pay taxes they spin off I

think the last time I looked I don't

know what it is currently but they spin

off about 4% a year for the university

which is a lot cheaper than paying taxes

and it's a great investment because the

university provides all sorts of

intellectual and human capital to the

investment syndicate you know so it's a

very brilliant elegant model and my

theory is it was the model that was

really created to sort of compete with

the the Vatican and the Catholics who

had 2,000 years of you know diplomatic

immunity and no taxes anyway so so but

it is the Harvard Corporation is run by

a perpetuating board so so the board

members if board member leaves they pick

a new board member so it's a perpetu

self-perpetuating board and my guess is

behind the scenes if there's a fight one

of the fight is who gets on that board

because then you control a $50 billion

plus endowment um and a $50 billion plus

endowment which now is has a 39% private

equity portfolio and these are you know

I I said to on Money and Markets which

is our weekly show I said the other week

you know if this is a monopoly board

that would be Park Place because it's

such a flagship in the world of

investment it's such a major leader what

would happen if the Congress decided in

the new tax bill to tax university

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endowments which they should do i don't

know because because that will happen at

the same time something else is going to

happen um and these things are going to

happen at the same time the thing that's

going to rock the universities is if you

look at how much money it cost you as a

father to put put one child through

college you know you're talking about

enormous

bills and if you look at how far the

universities have gotten away from

providing a

great

education it's not a good investment so

when I was an investment adviser I used

to work with my client's kids and we

would literally do something we have a

learning plan on Ceri now that came out

of this i would literally make them

price time and money for each course

they took by course and I would ma

basically make them say look what do you

want to do in this life and what are the

skills and tools you need to do it and

how are we going to go get those tools

with the least amount of your time and

the least amount of your parents' money

how are we going to really and we would

come up with these wild education plans

where they would like you know go to San

Francisco for this audio video course

and then they would be next year in

Budapest studying at the university you

know cuz you want to you want to you you

want kids to learn about the world and

and you want them to be you know not

provincial stuck in you want them to be

educated yeah you want them to be

educated anyway but we would come up

with these very creative things and what

you discover is now in a world of

YouTube University and access to

extraordinary you know resources all

around the world to get a great

education the the universities in the

United States have gotten unbelievably

bloated and unbelievably off track i I

think everyone senses that right and

they're they're a terrible if you're if

you're a loving parent they're a

terrible investment you love your

children you want your children to be

successful if I want my child to be

successful in the world we're going into

you know whether it turns into a control

grid or the control grid as I believe

will fail you know you want them to have

an outstanding education and and I will

tell you bluntly the reason the unipolar

model failed is because we don't have a

culture that can field and manage that's

exactly right we we don't we don't have

the human capital to run the world we

don't have the human capital but we're

teaching our human capital to adopt a

culture that that cannot succeed exactly

right right right so if you're going to

run the world you need Eaton and

Sanhurst to to to provide an

administrative class that's tough clear

thinking has a you know well- definfined

mission i don't sacrificing you need

Christianity well ex Well both of those

you know certainly Eden was a Christian

school right you you if you if you're

going to be part of a project that is

longer than a

lifetime then you have to understand

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this is about your immortal soul and

your soul is immortal and that that

triggers a very different way of looking

at the world and a very different way of

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collaborate across time and space in

very powerful ways that takes trust and

faith you have to be agreement capable

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alone a successful multipolar model

unless you're agreement capable so this

is Lavro's term and this is what the

Russians understood and this is why they

whooped our ass in Ukraine they are

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Americans man there's uh there's

absolutely so much let me just move back

once again to uh something that you said

um about policy makers the Congress the

central banks the white house giving up

on the American model in the mid '90s

when the budget deal failed i think you

said it was 95 i vaguely remember that

um that you know this what this

democratic system or whatever version of

a democratic system we have our system

is incapable of self-perpetuating long

term it's just too dysfunctional and

that's obviously true it's too corrupt

it's too corrupt it's too corrupt it's

clearly true everyone senses that um

this isn't working we're going to get a

new system they figured that out 30

years ago the one kind of brick wall

that is looming right in the windshield

is the debt is the debt meltdown i mean

Ray Dio talks about it every single day

like we have too much debt people are

going to stop buying our debt because

it's clearly a bad deal and like what

happens then and you suggested the

control grid is in part designed to

manage the population during that moment

maybe or Yeah in part yeah so so if you

want to move people to a much lower

economic footprint let alone do it on a

shocking basis having complete control

is obviously very conven okay so the

bottom line is everybody's about to get

a lot poorer not everybody but a lot the

majority is about to get a lot poorer

depends on how they do that if you bring

out breakthrough energy you can soften

the blow there are many things you can

do to soften the blow it doesn't have to

be like Russia in 90 and 91 that's

exactly what it doesn't have to be can

they do it that way yes so it comes down

to who governs and and do they want to

do it you know one of my favorite lines

is from Tina Turner she says "We can do

this nice or rough." Yeah and we could

do it nice and we can do it rough there

there are ways of doing the control grid

nice and we can do it rough and what are

they planning I don't know to a certain

extent remember the way in my experience

the way they govern is they have targets

and goals and then you know you sort of

make it up as you go and sometimes it

works and so it's very fluid so I wonder

if the AI if the data center boom which

really is the only sort of crackling

sparkling piece of the real estate

market right now I think it's building

data centers development market um just

call them control grids control grids

control i mean look I'm they're control

nodes i'm totally opposed to it but

massive bets economic bets on the

success of AI right and the missing

piece is energy and how do you power all

that and we're already as you pointed

out in an analysis I read you have to

you have to bring out the breakthrough

energy that's what I'm saying so like

either they're going to build it on coal

deposits in Wyoming or which is going to

be kind of hard because they're going to

have to say all that climate stuff we've

been yelling at you about for 30 years

is total now we're burning coal

i don't know if they Well there was just

an article in Bloomberg that Texas needs

30 new nuclear plants and the Chinese

are building enormous numbers of nuclear

plants yeah and there are risks in

nuclear i mean every I'm a right-winger

and I've always defended nuclear but

let's be totally honest like it's not

risk-free big time well here's the thing

how how do you how do you govern and

manage nuclear plants with leadership

that's not agreement capable completely

and and also like in a country that's

not turning out enough people in the

heart not enough engineers um right so

no there are huge problems with that and

um but that's like that question is

being forced on policy makers like what

do you do about energy what do you do

about energy what do you and wind and

solar like we're going to be laughing

about that in 5 years because it's just

silly well one of the things you can do

about energy is repopulate

right right i'm and I know for a fact

I'm not guessing at this that there are

people running countries around the

world who've thought about like what

does AI mean for my population means

I've got too many people so this is

something I know this for a fact i'm not

guessing that leaders of countries are

talking about between each other like I

know that and I'm not saying they're

committing genocide or whatever but they

know that they're about to hard

statistics they are that's exactly right

so there's another thing that I don't

understand very well i've just listened

to people but if you listen to Sean

Parker saying "I'm going to live to 145

where there's an interview where the

president's son-in-law says you know

we're going to be the last generation to

die or the first generation to live

forever." So you clearly have a group of

people biohacking who think they can

engage in massive longevity it makes me

want to start smoking again i'm just

being honest i don't want to be I just

want to move I want to pivot away from

that level of soul destroying hubris

right because that's what that is i'm

God no you're not and you're going to

find out the hard way that you're not so

it does make me want to Right but what

I'm saying is if you if you truly

believe you can do that and you're not

going to allow the general population to

do it for environmental reasons then you

would be for depopulation of course you

know that's totally true so this is

again farfield do you think there's

evidence that people will be living to

145 i have no idea i don't either i

don't really care in other words there's

a whole set of scenarios I don't care

about i'm interested in freedom and I

believe that the only way we can be free

is through a culture that embraces the

divine and builds true wealth enduring

wealth and and living wealth not just

financial wealth what is true wealth

true

wealth well you know because I would say

you're truly truly wealthy i feel I am

right i don't have that much money but I

feel that way well it's an integration

of living equity with financial equity

and what I learned being a financial

adviser is that everyone had been taught

to build financial equity and they

couldn't integrate it with living equity

so you'd you'd work with somebody who

was you know worth millions of dollars

who said they couldn't afford organic

food i was like are you crazy you know

the the number one thing that causes a

demunition of family wealth is health

problems and and you know healthc care

fraud and healthcare bankruptcy it's

like you know please take a million

dollars out of your bank account and

start investing in really build you know

doing everything you and your family

need to be really healthy you know to

have perfect water to have great food

etc the other thing I discovered was you

know everybody was trained to put their

money in the national security state

instead of helping their kids buy homes

and and integrating with you know

building the living equity so my

mother's family were Quakers and you

didn't even think about buying stock

until you sent all your kids to the best

Quaker schools you know that was like

that was first that's Do you think it's

a You're dropping so much here i'm just

trying to pause like tease out certain

themes but you think it's wiser

um you know if you have children you

care about them to help them buy homes

than it is to

Absolutely who who's So can I There are

two stories I'm dying to tell you please

okay during the litigation um you know

you get in the situation what litigation

so I litigated with the Department of

Justice for 11 years or actually it it

was it was some of that was fisticuffing

with the tax guys but anyway so so I had

the sort of uh enemy the state process

of I had 18 audits investigations

um 12 tracks of litigation a smear

campaign and physical harassment so they

didn't like what you were saying uh they

didn't like the idea that I would try

and stop the mortgage bubble they really

wanted to have a mortgage bubble and and

we were doing things to bring disclosure

to um to play it's called placebased

financials i really believed that if

local communities could see how all the

money worked in their neighborhood that

we could change things so for example I

would constantly when I was at the

Department of Housing and Urban

Development I would find neighborhoods

where we were spending 250,000 per unit

to build public housing and $50,000

would buy and rehab a defaulted a

foreclosed property in the FHA

uh uh inventory and so literally if you

could just within a four or 10 block

area you know take that 250,000 and and

and spend it in the way that was most

efficient in that place you could get

four or five homes for the price of one

and it was really amazing i took those

numbers we did all sorts of due

diligence this is when I was a

contractor um to the woman who worked

for the guy who ran the

$250,000 program and I showed it to her

and I said "Look we could you know New

Orleans Chicago LA we could get four or

five homes for the price of one." And

she turned bright red and she said "But

how would we generate fees for our

friends?" Exactly right or how would we

you know pay off foreign countries who

flood our our political system with

donations if you know if we're actually

spending it to like build nice houses

for Americans well like repair reading

Pennsylvania we could be spending it in

wherever disgusting Middle Eastern place

so so if you look at placebased

financial statements there's

extraordinary opportunity to just

re-engineer what's already there yeah of

course without taking money from anybody

else and and making it so I really

thought if you if you create so we

created a software tool called community

wizard that would allow everybody on the

internet to just come and download the

data and start looking at how the money

worked in their places in way that you

could see real opportunities okay so let

me tell you two stories the the um the

litigation starts and literally you go

from being very wealthy and very trusted

and very respected to being an enemy of

the state no one will talk to you nobody

answer your phone and suddenly all your

income stops all your income stops your

credit stops you're just frozen and by

yours you mean yours yeah yeah so so uh

anyway so you know you you have the

assets that you have luckily they never

turned off my bank account so I was

lucky that way but one of the things

that happened was they started I had had

a farm in New Hampshire and I sold my

share to my uncle i had a wonderful and

very wealthy uncle who was like the

patriarch and and he bought my And I

warned him if you buy this you know they

may come after you too and he was a very

standup guy very fearless and he said

you know I'll deal with that so sure

enough um I sell him the farmland they

call him and they say you know your

niece is a criminal and you shouldn't be

doing this blah blah blah blah and um

and they said "We want the financial

records from the farm we want all the

financial records of the farm." And he

said "Well send me a letter so I can

give it to my lawyer and I'm happy to

send them to you." So they you know and

this is the summer farm where all the

family goes anyway so so instead of

sending him a letter they show up at his

house in Portsouth New Hampshire at 900

p.m at night three FBI guys and a HUD IG

guy with a

subpoena and it was designed to scare

him so the family had a big pow-wow

should they drop me because they don't

want to be targeted and um and he said

"Well you know uh she always helped

us." So it turned out I counted it up at

that point I had lent or given to family

and friends

$250,000 just I made a lot of money i

loved making money and people needed

help and that's what's money's for so

that is what to restate that is what

money is for so I just always I hadn't

even thought about it by the way your

average like 23-year-old NBA player

who's floating all of his cousins and

single mom he understands that better

than your average rich person your

obligation is to your family and

including with money sorry right some of

us are lucky some not amen right so so

he said she helped

everyone so I'm going to help her

and it took 11 years but at the very No

it was 2006 so that was about 9 years at

at the end of the process when I won the

litigation I got a I we got money coming

in i sat down to either repay everybody

who'd loan me or gifted me money and uh

or almost everybody some had just gifted

and I I counted it up and what I

realized is I had come into the

litigation having loaned a quarter of a

million and then over the next nine

years exactly a quarter of a million had

come back and it w it wasn't tit for tat

i mean it was different people different

thing you know some had got and said

well I guess she needs it back and

repaid it or some had just gifted it

because they knew I'd gifted and

literally I put a quarter of a million

out and a quarter of a million came back

and Tucker if it wasn't for that money I

wouldn't be here I would never have made

it through and it was because it was the

in the people bank and they couldn't

shut the people bank off you know they

could they could do all sorts of things

to shut off all all sorts of resources

and income but if It's in the people

bank and the people you love and trust

you know it comes back so when I love

that yeah it's great so when I finished

when I when I finished the litigation I

had had a 401k that I'd had to bust it

had 500,000 in it i'd paid 225,000 in

fines and taxes to get it out well they

I don't think they thought I they put my

401k under audit so I couldn't use it to

finance the business it was dirty tricks

anyway so so I take the money out so my

accountant when we get the settlement

money she said "Let's fund up the

401k." I said "No I'm never going into

business with the US government again."

No way i I don't I don't want any of

those vehicles i'm I'm out and I said

but the other thing is I'm taking that

500,000 and I'm bonusing it out on the

people bank and I'm going to start a new

business and I think that business will

be successful so I don't need that

500,000 and it'd be nice but I don't

need it but I need to get that money

back in the people bank because that is

the only bank in this world I trust and

so ah that's like a beautiful story well

here's the question and I used to always

say this with my clients who's going to

be there for you right who's going to be

there for you that that's the people

bank and you want to invest in the

people bank now it may not be money it

may be time it may be help it may be

there's a a wonderful book called Family

Wealth by a guy named James Hughes i

don't know if you've ever heard of it or

seen it and basically what he does my

greatuncle didn't like the book so much

he said "You're trying to turn our

family into a corporation." I said "No

I'm not." But it basically teaches a

family how to conspire together it

basically have a dinner once a month or

once a whatever and talk about what's in

your heart to do you know this person

wants to do this this person wants to do

this some things make money some things

don't but but but help each other be

successful at whatever your passion is

and and work as a family you know I

always at Ceri we say don't worry about

if there is a conspiracy if you're not

in one you need to start one and a great

family should be a a conspiracy where

you're trying to help each other succeed

i love that

i mean these are ancient and with

respect very obvious points exactly but

I I don't think I've heard someone say

him in a long time well but if we're

going to build a successful

culture that culture has to be good at

building wealth living wealth and

financial wealth both on an integrated

basis so if you come to Ceri we have a

curriculum called building wealth and it

has six pillars and we organize all of

our content into and around building

wealth and um because it's it's part of

what you have to build to build a

culture that can really be part of real

solutions so the the first pillar is

free and inspired life and so you know

our theory is you have a goal you have a

relationship with the creator and you

decide you know what's what's your free

and inspired life everybody's unique um

and in a decentralized world everybody

is unique you you know there's no

there's no formula so to speak the

second one is navigation tools and

that's where people get burnt so we say

in navigation tools there's an official

reality and then there's reality and you

need to know both and reality is for the

management of your time and money and

the official reality is for the cocktail

party and you need to not get those

don't use the official reality to manage

your time and money because then you're

going to get I mean I clean so many

people up from financial fraud and

healthc care fraud because they believe

the official reality so you you can't do

that the third is risk management

because in this kind of dangerous

environment everything's about keeping

your risk exactly down and that's more

important than making money it's more

important to lower risk than make money

so in a in a in a well-governed world

we'd all be you know focused on outside

growth but now we're just we've got to

be focused on risk preventing loss right

and then the fourth is living equity and

that's all living things that's people

that's family that's culture that's

education you know all the things that

go into that and then financial equity

all the things you know and then the

last one is to me the most important

it's called turtle forth so did you get

the hat the turtle forth hat i did yeah

right okay turtle forth is about never

quitting you must never ever quit and

the whole goal of the people who are

trying to

centralize is to get you to think it's

hopeless and John Rapapore used to

always say hopelessness is an op and

it's planetwide

[Laughter]

well because I am I am actually struck

by well by everything that you've said

um I think this could be like a 9-hour

conversation if we let it uh but I have

one more story but I am struck also by

your tone i don't think I've ever heard

someone describe dark deeds with more

cheerfulness like how do you how do you

not go crazy so you have to keep a state

of amusement i mean it it's I I really

you know I one of the most breakthrough

moments for me in the last 20 years was

when I

I realized that it was okay to be happy

no matter what was going on and

sometimes you can't be it's so horrible

what's going on but it I'll tell you

exactly when it happened i had a

wonderful church where I studied

spiritual warfare for two and a half

years at the beginning of the litigation

and it was that training that saved my

life and uh but I was at a sermon and

there was a co-pastor who had very long

fingernails and she was very angry and

she was shaking her hands with her long

fingernails and you know sometimes when

you're in a big church and they point

right at you and she said she said she

said the devil can have my house and the

devil can have my car but the devil

cannot have my joy and it was like I

exploded in my head and I said that's it

that is it that is it hey it's Tucker

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that to allow that joy to be stolen from

you right and it's sometimes it's hard

did you ever did you ever see the never-

ending story the movie The Never- Ending

Story read the book so so it's a

wonderful child's story where um the

child is the protagonist and he's

fighting a force in the universe called

the Nothing and the Nothing is running

around the universe sucking meaning out

of everything and it's hard when you're

dealing and if you look at this digital

control it comes with an energy that's

very demonic and and sucking meaning out

of everything and they're very good

they're masterful at turning you know

turning allies against each other the

divide and conquer thing is really

heartbreaking what's happening right now

on the right I see heartbre and um so

you're up against the nothing and so

sometimes we'll come together in a team

meeting and somebody will say "I've lost

my state of

amusement." And then the team's job is

to help them to get it i've lost my

state of I've lost my state of amusement

and it happens i can't you know but it

is I think of this of myself where you

know I've had my amusement taken from me

a number of times but I always think to

myself like if you're perennially

shocked by evil in the world like you're

a child you're an idiot like what did

you think this was like don't be naive

there's a lot of evil in the world there

always has been don't be shocked by it

laugh in its face i You're always going

to be shocked by it oh I am you're

always going to be shocked by it i'll

tell you why you're going to be shocked

by it

if you

understand if you understand

love you can't fathom why anyone

would would reject that yes and embrace

evil because it's so stupid it's so

wasteful it's so un as my mother used to

say it's so unnecessary you know

it's just like it's

um you just can't fathom why anybody

would do it i I you know I I I watch the

folks who are in the financial system

who are deeply corrupt and just

constantly take and take and take you

know the the plunder team and I think

how is that to me what they're doing is

not fun i love you know it's not fun

it's not fun when when So I will tell

you I was my gift everybody has a gift

my gift was an investment bank i was

absolutely fantastic i was just really

really good at it and the heartbreak for

me was when I got had to leave the

establishment i lost the ability you

know it's like a painter and you lose

your ability to paint you can't get

access to colors anymore so but I loved

it and when you do it in the right way 2

+ 2 equals 20 and it's so exciting it's

the best feeling in the world it's like

uh Oh I've lived it yeah yeah so when

Van Go it's my theory when Vanco

finished a painting that what he pow

it's like wow you know it's great and

and you watch these guys do the fraud

and destroy you know all the mortgage

fraud and it destroys neighborhoods and

it destroys family and it's just it's

just it's like a lose lose lose and you

think that's no fun

no and and they're not happy i I know a

number of them and

um I had a conversation with Ray Dalio

who I do like i don't agree with them

and everything but I I do like Ray Dalio

and he's got more perspective on life he

had lost a child i think he was forced

to kind of think through what matters

and I asked him off camera recently like

"Do you know I know a lot of miserable

billionaires i know a couple happy

billionaires but how many happy

billionaires do you know?" And he's like

"I know a few like I'm I'm actually

pretty happy but not that many and that

that's a tell right that's a tell and I

I will tell you the debt is a symptom

it's not the problem the what's the

symptom the debt yeah the debt the debt

is a simple Yeah

it when there was 21 trillion

missing as of 2015 when we published

that study in 2017 there's 21 trillion

of debt now first of all remember the

Treasury can just issue currency they

don't need debt to create the currency

and in fact I would say historically the

greatest currencies are fiat currencies

that are not debt based so our problem

is the debt basing but but let's just

grossly oversimplify and talk about what

that means with the 21 trillion so the

Treasury sells pension sells Treasury

bonds to our pension funds moves 21

trillion into the bank accounts at the

New York Fed member banks for the

Treasury they're the depository and then

the 21 trillion disappears out of the

back

door so it's just a straw that's sucking

our pension fund money into I call it

the breakaway civilization

and meantime we as taxpayers are now

obligated to pay the debt into that we

owe our pension funds and the money is

gone why do you call it the breakaway

civilization breakaway civilization was

a term made famous by Richard Dolan and

it simply described a

decision to create a parallel system you

know first it started with a black

budget but it grew you know call it the

national security state but but to build

a civilization that literally was

separate and not subject to the laws of

the existing ones so if I'm running a

company and I want to bring up new

systems I'll bring up the new systems

while I'm running the old and I'll run

them in parallel and I'll move things

over slowly and then at some point I

bring the current thing down and to me

that's what the financial coup was

you're moving the money out of one

system and and putting it in another so

in theory 21 trillion is enough at a 5%

you know interest rate to basically

finance a a private government if you

will right i'm not saying that's what

happened but in theory

do you think it did so when I was at HUD

1989 it was 80 late ' 89 or early 90 I

was in a meeting with the secretary and

we had brought all the regional

administrators in for a meeting with the

secretary and um he was very upset

because the regional administrator from

California had implemented something in

response to a court decision and there

was a court case in the court of appeals

and they decided okay you got to go to

the right and so he had implemented that

and um the secretary was having

literally like a manic episode screaming

a huge temper tantrum screaming at him

and finally this guy said but Mr

secretary it's the law and he just

exploded with fury and he said "The law

the law i don't have to obey the law i

report to a higher moral

authority." And just at that moment it

was like remember the scene in Eyes Wide

Shut when you first walk in on the you

know the secret society doing their

occult ritual you know you had this

image of oh you know he

literally he he doesn't have to obey the

laws of the United States he's operating

under a different governance structure

people feel that way right and that you

know there there many

um there's a very famous story of

Lincoln um when he's talking about his

what he wants to do to implement the

reconstruction policies and he tells a

story about a young child saying you

know if I throw the fish back will get

mad at me but if I um if I uh if it

slips from my hand accidentally and you

grab it then dad won't be mad at me and

the implication of the story is that

Lincoln has a dad that he he can't buck

and and you know we're back to the

question who's dad it's the same

question as who's Mr global and you've

never gotten closer to the answer or

you've never settled on an answer

i Here's my guess so we did I once did a

two-hour interview on the Celery Report

on who is Mr global where we go through

all the different

theories so I think literally you have

intergenerational pools of capital which

meet and work by consensus you know it's

a committee system and they do have a

set of rules and what I don't understand

I think their challenge is they're risk

managers and they're they're constantly

pulling out a lot of money and they

always need to get that dividend and the

question is why do they need the

dividend where's the money going cuz

they're constantly running the financial

system to extract extra money there's

always disappearing money and the

question is why and where's it going and

you think it's going to infrastructure

projects

i think it's going to infrastructure

projects i think it's going to big

investments like you know building the

control grid is a big one and one of my

questions on the financial coup is are

they literally setting up an endowment

so they can run you know the world on a

global governance that's a dictatorship

with an endowment so it's the you know

it's it's a bigger endowment than

anybody else's

um you said a couple minutes ago that

the debt the our the US government's

debt which I think even people are not

interested in the stuff are aware that

it's it's it's there and that it's a

problem is not the problem it's a

symptom what did what did you mean we if

you look at

our current model

um it is not being run on an economic

basis and it's getting much worse and

it's getting worse steadily so let me

give you an example our military budget

this year is approximately 850 billion

and the president wants to take it or

the secretary of defense is saying we've

got to take it to a

trillion our HHS budget is 1.8

trillion dr skidmore just did an

analysis if we went back to 2010 levels

of disability we would lower that by

half a trillion dollars half a trillion

half a trillion so America is I call it

the great poisoning we've poisoned

ourselves and it's blowing the budget

and it's not just blowing the budget of

the federal government if you look at

family budgets it's blowing their

budgets you know poison people are not

productive and and their health care

costs can be very expensive and you see

that at the federal level and you see

that at the state level the local level

and the family level that's got to be

dealt with but you know if if you look

at the budget right now it's expenses

are

skyrocketing and and it's skyrocketing

because the fundamental model of what we

do and how we do it it helps

decentralize but it's not economic and

so you got to change that now what we do

and how we do it do you mean how we live

right so now I get to tell you my last

story okay

I can't

Okay this is called the red button story

and if you put my name in on the

internet you'll get you know a copy of

the story because it happened to me in

2000 i was asked by a healthc care

practitioner to give a presentation

called How the Money Works on Organized

Crime and it later became a very famous

article called Narco Dollars for

Beginners and it was meant to be a light

funny description of the intersection of

organized crime flows with Washington

and Wall Street so my book I have an

online book called Dylan Reed and the

aristocracy of stock profits that is a

case study that teaches people it's

designed to be like a business school's

case study that shows you that

intersection between illegal cash flows

and Wall Street and Washington anyway so

I'm in the middle of the speech and I'm

describing the congressional testimony

on the Dark Alliance allegations that

happened in 1998 and at the time I was

helping a reporter

um do research and she was covering the

hearings and a spokesperson for the

Department of Justice told her so I'm in

the middle of the speech and there are

about a hundred people and we're the

conference that where I'm speaking is um

a conference that happens once a year by

this group and the focus is on how we

evolve our society spiritually so this

is a very spiritually committed group of

people who want to evolve our society

spiritually okay so I'm describing the

um the fact that a spokesperson for the

Department of Justice told this reporter

I was helping that the US economy

launderers 500 billion to a trillion

dollars a year of all illegal money so

that's narcotics trafficking that's

financial fraud that's you know

everything it's human trafficking and um

and the number is now much much bigger

but they were describing the fact that

the US economy and financial system is

the leader globally in laundering dirty

money so I said to this wonderful group

of spiritually evolved people what would

happen if we stopped being the global

leader in money laundering and we had a

little conversation they said "Well you

know the money would leave the New York

Stock Exchange and go to Singapore or

Zurich or London." Um and and we'd have

we might have trouble financing the

government deficit because we you know

now we borrow over half of the money

currently um and and so we we you know

our taxes might go up or our government

checks might stop so I said "Okay let's

pretend there's a big red button up here

on the lectern and if you push that

button

um you can stop all hard hard narcotics

trafficking in your town your county

your state tomorrow

thus offending the people who control

500 billion to a trillion dollars a year

of all dirty money in the accumulated

capital thereon who here will push the

button and out of a 100 people dedicated

to evolving our society spiritually

guess how many would push the button i

don't know one the other 99 would not

push the button so I said "Wouldn't keep

all those kids from dying?" Yeah it

would so wait so So I said to them I

said "Why would you not push the

button?" So we had a little conversation

and they said "We don't want our taxes

to go up we don't want our government

checks to stop and we don't want our

401ks and IAS to go

down." So if I had voted there would

have been two pushing the red button so

what I discovered that day the problem

was that not that they wouldn't push the

red button but they wouldn't go into the

invention room and have a an honest

conversation about what the real problem

was and how I call it how we turn the

red button green how we make money

pushing the red button because then we

can push the red button and you have to

push the red button because you cannot

become wealthy liquidating your children

you cannot become wealthy by poisoning

your children and your people and yet

that's what we've been doing in America

for decades now and now here's the

political problem if you're the new

president of the United States and you

walk into the Oval

Office your political guy is going to

say to you "Mr president the American

people just spent billions getting you

voted in as president and now they want

payback they want their government

contract they want their privatization

they want the cola increase on social

security they want a community block

development grant and you're going to

turn to your secretary of treasury he

says "Well you better be nice to the

people who control 500 billion trillion

dollars and the accumulated capital

there on." And of course the number's

much bigger now now how are you going to

press the red button you can't and if

you look at the history of politics in

America the history is everybody wants

their check and they want the story of I

am good i'm a good Christian i'm not

doing any of this corrupt organized

crime stuff you know i'm just voting you

know so so I say it this way when

Goldwater the end of World War II George

Keenan said "We got 6% of the people and

50% of the resources and we're going to

have to be tough if we keep this going."

So Goldwater ran for president he said

"We're going to have to drop a lot of

bombs." And the American people said "Oh

no we don't want to do that we're good

Christians." So Jimmy Carter came along

and he shivered in front of the

fireplace and Americans said "Oh no we

don't want to do that we don't want to

cut back." And so the Bushes came along

and said "You know something you all are

good Christians here's your check don't

ask

questions." And that's where we've been

everybody wants the story of I am good

and the problem you can you can push the

red button you can turn it green but it

has to be done one neighborhood at a

time you need to take all the money in a

place and instead of spending the

government money to centralize control

and on the control grid you need to

re-engineer it to build real wealth and

and you've got to decentralize the

economic power if you centralize and you

create lots of billionaires you're going

to shrink the pie and that's what we've

been doing and we've been making money

from poisoning each other

if people want

to learn more about your research and

your views on things if they want to

know about the 11 years you spent

fighting the feds for uh blowing the

whistle on them where do they where do

they get that information so we publish

the Careri report it's salary.com

si.com and we have a subscription

service and we have a lot of free you

know so if you want to get to know us

you can come in and you can learn

tremendous amounts from the free stuff

we'd love to have you as a subscriber

and um we have a great group of

subscribers we have What happened to me

was I I fell into this because I had

terrible terrible experiences with the

corporate media and um and so I just

started doing shows and giving out my

email and saying "If you have a question

ask me." And over many years the

questions would come in and we'd publish

the answers and you know it'd go on and

on it went on for free for a long time

and then finally I got so many questions

that I would just you know I finally

said I need to hire people but we have

this global network of subscribers and

audience who get on the site share

comments they're brilliant and we help

each other figure figure things out and

we've literally become an intelligence

network you know and it's all people who

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one can't be free unless we're all free

you know this is an all orno thing they

either get the control grid or we're

free and the only way we're going to be

free is if everybody's free it's an all

or nothing deal and there are a lot of

people now who understand this and are

gathering and you know so I have many

subscribers i don't I just know from

what they say I have many subscribers

who are your subscribers because they

feel and I feel you're on the same

journey yeah i'm just not a very

systematic thinker so um a lot of I my

instincts tell me that you're telling

the truth and of course I agree

completely with your orientation i just

my brain doesn't work that way uh so

it's been a a true pleasure to hear all

of this thank you well thank you i I

love your work so thank you i've been a

I've been a subscriber from the very

beginning underground bases you're

blowing my mind katheris thank you very

much thank you

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