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This discussion explores the current state of South Africa, its historical context, and why it matters to Americans, highlighting the country's strategic importance, economic potential, and the challenges posed by governance and ideology.
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All right. Hello everyone and welcome
back to Making the Argument. We have a
very interesting episode today because
we got an interesting guest for you. And
the thing that we're going to be
discussing is what is actually going on
in South Africa. And more specifically,
we're going to ask why should Americans
care about it? Because let's face it,
Americans right now are a little bit fed
up with the rest of the world. We kind
of feel as if the federal government has
gotten us involved in all kinds of
things that we feel are really not any
of our business. But that doesn't mean
these things that happen outside of our
borders don't impact us. It doesn't mean
that it doesn't impact things that are
important to us strategically,
economically, and socially. Not to
mention the fact that let's just be
honest, we have some organizations
operating out there in the world where
even if it's not our direct
responsibility to intervene, that
doesn't mean we shouldn't take a side in
who we want to win. It doesn't mean that
some of these organizations or some of
these ideologies
are being motivated by the same people,
the same financeers, the same well just
motivations in general of things that
are attacking the United States and
really the West in general. And today I
have someone to speak about this very
very specifically and that is Rob
Hersov. Rob, thank you very much for
joining us today.
>> Nick, great to be here. I'm in sunny
Cape Town, Paradise on Earth. Well, f
first things first. Um, because I I feel
like we have to address this right off
the bat. I I've always been I've always
been somewhat fascinated by South
African history in part because of of
reading about the colonization of Africa
and and England's presence here and the
Boore Wars and the Dutch presence in
South Africa. Um, it it really is it
really is a rich fascinating history
also a very very controversial one. So,
can you tell us right off the bat, why
should the average American that is, you
know, feels like we got enough domestic
problems to worry about what's going on
in the rest of the world? Why should we
be concerned about what's going on in
South Africa?
>> So, South Africa is a large country.
It's half the size of Western Europe.
It's a mineralrich.
It's very industrialized compared to the
rest of Africa. And it's the ideal
jumping point into Africa. If you want
to do business in Africa, this is the
best place to be based. And we have got
the most extensive rail network. Um,
incredible ports, airports, and an
extraordinary infrastructure that has
been developed over the last, you know,
100 or so years, which is now being
destroyed by our our current government,
the ANC. But but I'll get to that. So we
are the most industrialized, capitalist,
naturally capitalist and pro- west
country in Africa and the biggest
economy. And everybody says, you know,
the the three biggest economies in
Africa are Egypt, Nigeria, South Africa.
Not in that order necessarily. It's
probably South Africa,
Egypt, Nigeria, followed by Kenya, and
others. There are 54 countries in
Africa. 55 if you count Western Sahara.
and I've been to 35 of them and South
Africa is the same size economy as Louisiana.
Louisiana.
So just to put it all in perspective,
but it is one of it's the biggest
economy in Africa.
>> And we have a very strategic position in
the world. So if you look at the Chinese
belt and road strategy and you look at
the choke points for logistics, you've
got the sewers canal, you've got the
Panama Canal, and if those two are
gridlocked, all the main shipping comes
via the south of Africa. And there are
some big ports, big logistics ports, but
there's the port of Cape Town, Port of
Sana, Richard's Bay, uh, Port Elizabeth
port, and there's also Simon'stown
milit naval base, which was a British
naval base for a long time. And South
Africa can become a very strategic choke
point for logistics and that's the way
to look at it.
>> Sure. No, I mean that makes sense. You
bring up again Panama Canal before the
Sewish Canal was dredged. I mean,
obviously going around the Cape was was
something of a necessity uh if you
wanted to go by shipping. And then
you've got the Mala Straits as well,
which is a strategic choke point, but um
yeah, there there's no question that a
significant amount of shipping and
shipping that impacts uh the US and the
global economy all goes right right by
South Africa. The the other thing that I
would I would ask about on that is
obviously uh Africa is very very
mineralrich and when you look at places
like the DRC for instance you have I
think it's something around between 60
and 70% of the world's known cobalt
reserves right when you uh look at South
Africa or Batswana and you look at
diamonds you look at gold you look at
everything that it is not just you know
again we tend to think of diamond
diamonds as gold as as jewelry but in
reality when it comes to everything
from, you know, investments to practical
use cases with these precious metals.
Africa is just disproportionately
blessed with it, but it tends to be
harder to get.
>> Um, and that's that's both from
geographical reasons, uh, weather
reasons. There's actually, it usually
blows people's minds to figure out that
Africa has less coastline than Europe
simply because they don't have a lot of
navigable waterways. They don't have a
lot of um, you know, deep ports and
things like that. But South Africa has
has been um an exception with respect to
some of the ports uh to that rule. And
it's also been one that because of the
influence of the the Dutch um and the
fact that the Dutch ran the country all
the way up until about you know 1995 uh
right around 9495
um it it developed very differently. it
it managed. Now again, everybody's going
to point out like, okay, yeah, but they
engage in very very racist apartheid um
you know, policies in order to maintain
that. That's that's you know, that
that's been the recognition.
So I guess the question is is because
South Africa had developed to a point
where it was relatively stable uh an
economic powerhouse in subsara Africa a
good infrastructure and then it it
seemed like when apartheid ended and uh
what was ANC took over Mandela took over
>> in 1994
>> in '94 uh it seemed as if at that point
there was again you you saw you did see
a spike in violence when uh they
originally took over but then it it
seemed as if it had kind of uh yeah,
there was there was land reform issues,
there was redistributive policies that
took place within the ANC and I think a
lot of that was to be expected on some
level. I'm I'm not sitting here to
analyze all that, but
>> it seemed as if there had been this
point where a lot of violence spiking in
the in the 90s, but then it had seemed
to South Africa reached something of an
equilibrium where it was continuing to
develop and grow. Correct. And what was
the point where now I I've seen multiple
reports talking about South Africa
potentially being a failed state within
the last two to three years just this
spike in crime and and really it's the
corruption and de de-industrialization.
This is just bizarre to watch. So
what happened?
>> What happened? Well, I'll give you a
little bit of timeline. So yes, it was
the Dutch in 1652
that arrived in the Cape and the
Portuguese had come down, you know,
across the coast of Africa and planted
their crosses, but never really stayed.
And the Dutch in 1652 landed in the Cape
and set it up as a colony to basically
provide um vegetables to the ships of
the Dutch East India Corporation on
their way to India so that people
wouldn't get scurby. But they realized
what a what a what extraordinary land
this was. and uh you know started
developing it and then more and more
people arrived. The French then
colonized the Cape for five years only
but had a big influence here on the wine
uh industry and then the British took
over. And so South Africa's really been
developed by two European nations, the
Dutch and the British. And they were
pretty much at peace and at conflict,
you know, depending on the depending on
the decade. And the black settlers from
East Africa had come down sort of 8 900
years before from East Africa and
migrated into what is today South Africa
and reached the Fish River. And just to
give you a perspective because you know
people go it's our land you white guys
are settlers and colonists. Not true.
There are 26 different black tribes in
South Africa. The biggest being the Zulu
and the Tozo. and they migrated from
East Africa, let's say 1,900 years ago,
working their way down to a place called
the Fish River on the eastern coast of
South Africa. And the distance between
Cape Town, where I am today, and the
Fish River is almost a thousand
kilometers. There were no black tribes
in the Western Cape.
There were strunt lloopers, people who
walked the beach, nomads. And there was
a very ancient civilization, the koi and
sand bushmen, but they were nomadic at
best herders of cattle. And so the white
settlers met the black settlers. I'm
making making a point here.
>> You know what what is today on a highway
ahour drive up the country. So that you
the black tribes cannot claim this is
their country. We're it's our country.
And there were the Anglo Zulu of the
British Zulu wars. There were the Bur
the Bur treers that moved in land to
form their own republics.
>> And there were the two Anglo Bua wars.
Um the second one being where the
British basically couldn't beat. They
held the cities, they held the towns,
the Boers, the Africconers, the farmers,
the the Dutchmen riding on their horses
controlled the countryside. The only way
the British could beat the boers was to
corral all the women and children into
what became concentration camps. The
first ever concentration camp.
>> They were trying to get them off the
farm so they couldn't resupply the Boa
soldiers and there was dissentry and
death and it was horrific. And in 1901
the second Boa war ended with the
surrender. The Boers surrendered the
British won. But there was a lot of
hatred between the Africana South
African speaking Africans. It's a
derivative of Dutch and the English
South African of my my heritage to a
point where when the first world war
came, South Africa sided with the allies
with the British, but there was a lot of
doubt over whether whether they were on
the right right side. In the second
world war, the same thing happened.
South Africa, you know, signed up
immediately to fight in North Africa
with the British and then with the
Americans in Europe against the Nazis.
But again, a lot of South Africans were
not sure we were on the right side at
the time. And in 1948,
election was held after the Second World
War where the Africana nationalists won.
They had the majority and that was the
beginning of a policy called apartheite.
And the word apartheite in Africans in
Dutch means separateness. There's no h a
t in the word. It's h ei d. And the
concept of apartheite. I'm not
justifying it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Was to was separate development. You
know, we are
more developed, more civilized, whatever
word you want to use than you guys. And
therefore, we're going to be more
paternalistic. You're going to live in
this area. We're going to live in this
area. But it evolved into a very
unpleasant, hateful um system whereby
black people had to carry passes on them
to go into white areas. There were, you
know, buses for white people, buses for
black people, beaches for white people,
beaches for black people. And it really
did get out of control. And at its very
worst, at its worst, white kids were
having 18 times more money spent on them
at school than black kids. So apartheite
in 1985 Africana government said this is
not sustainable. The world doesn't like
it. We're getting sanctions put on us.
We can't you know we can't hold hold it
anymore. We need change. Which led to
Nelson Mandela being released from
prison after 27 years. And in 1994
democratic elections the ANC sweeps the
board with almost 80% of the vote. And
only one place in South Africa didn't go
ANC. Cape Town. Cape Town was opposition
party from day one and always has been.
So in 1994, the ANC took power and
they've been in control of South Africa
for 30 years.
>> In May 2024,
the ANC fell from 56% to 40%. A massive
collapse. And the Democrat
>> What year was that? last year 2024
>> last year okay
>> and I'll tell you what happened in the
30 years but very quickly we now have a
what's called the government of national
unity it is anything but that and it's a
coalition of the ANC 40% the democratic
alliance the party I vote for which is 21%
21%
and then a whole bunch of smaller
parties and it's it's just a coal it's
like a bunch of drunks leaning against
each other to stay standing up Okay. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> The ANC
>> when whenever I whenever I hear national
uni unity party or anything like that I
I I get the same feeling when I hear um
you know democratic republic of you know
it's like okay it's either going to be
de democratic republic or for the
people. All right. Got it.
>> All right. Basically so basically have
like a coalition within a parliamentary system.
system. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um that that you know had to join
together in order to form a government
>> and it's it's democracy in motion. So
democracy is actually working in South
Africa and I'll tell you all the bad
stuff in a second but you know the ANC
lost power after 30 years are still the
lead member of the of this coalition are
still trying to implement their racist
socialist woke
anti-white anti-colored anti-Indian
policies and have given the other
parties ministries that don't affect ideology
ideology
>> and their implementation. of their
racist and socialist policies. So the
democratic alliance runs home affairs,
issuing visas and you know they run the
Petriot alliance runs sports, arts and
culture but anything that really matters
trade and industry finance is still run
by the NC and foreign policy we'll get
to this which has been captured by the
Islamists in South Africa. So that's
where we are today. Let me go back
quickly from 1994 to 2008.
South Africa came off a very low base.
Sanctions were lifted. Foreign direct
investment came in. The mainly American
and European companies that had left the
country because of aparate returned and
the South Africa boomed and we had 3 to
5% economic growth pretty much from 1994
to 2008. 500,000 new jobs a year pretty
much remained a meritocracy. It looked
like Mandela's Rainbow Nation was a
success and the Western world said, "We
did it. We saved South Africa. We fixed.
Let's go look at somewhere else to fix."
What happened in 2008
to today has been the ultimate
destruction of our country economically,
democratically, socially. Jacob Zuma got
elected president and in 2017 Sirill
Ramiposa he of the white house with
Donald Trump that famous scene
>> and those two people
Jacob Zuma it was the ultimate gangster
robbed the country blind he and his
cronies implemented kada or cadre
deployment. So anyone in a position of
power or influence or operating a budget
in South Africa was replaced
with this ANC loyalist in 99% of those
cases was someone who was incompetent
and had no idea what they were doing and started.
started.
>> Let me ask you a question. Let me ask
you a question.
>> Yeah, let me ask you a question on this
because um yeah, when when you look at
the ANC's politics, in fact, when you
look a lot of the revolutionary groups
within u subsar Africa, almost all of
Yeah. Trained by the Marxist and and
they have their own kind of again
they're I I don't want to say that
they're all like Marxist
trained by the Marxist influenced by
Marxism and then they generally have you
know some sort of like maybe local flare
or different cultural flare with respect
to how they want to implement that. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly.
>> And the ANC wasn't you know
significantly different with in that
respect. they they fit within that that
category of generally socialist um again
redistribution of land, redistribution
of assets, more nationalization of
industry, like all of those things. I I
have told
>> I I have told people before the mo the
longest lasting colonization of Africa
was actually done by Marxism, right,
rather than anything else. >> True.
>> True.
>> Um so what here's so how was it that the
ANC could take power, make that
transition? was was the ability for
Africa to continue to grow under a
political party which is advocating
economic policies which I oppose.
>> How were they able to do that? Was it
simply because there was so much foreign
investment coming in? Was it because
Mandela, you know, kind of said one
thing but didn't actually,
>> you know, didn't it actually implement
things as a hardcore Marxist? Like how
how were they able to experience
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functioning democracy. Everything's been
compromised. There's a word called
captured. All the stateowned
enterprises, South African Airways,
ESCOM, the electricity supply
commission, Transnet, the Rail Network,
have all been what's called captured or
compromised. Which means that ANC loyalists
loyalists
are in positions of power. They hire
their friends, incompetent people. They
steal budgets and everything's falling
apart. But they all of these people were
were trained by the Russians, the
Chinese, Bulgarians, all the communist
countries and were allies with Libya,
Iran, you know, all the lunatic fringe
countries. These were the buddies that
supported them against the West. And
when I was in the military 1982 and
sorry 1983 and 1984 we were fighting in
Angola against Cubans, Angolans, Cubans,
Russians. The Russians and Cubans were
training the Angolans and the Cubans
were there as pilots and we were
fighting pitched battles in Angola. So
we the previous regime and the majority
of centrist people in South Africa are
Judeo-Christian pro-western capitalist
whereas the ANC is the opposite but they
inherited a capitalist country very
sophisticated you know finance sector
sophisticated mining sector great
infrastructure roads rail ports airports
and they implemented their national
democratic revolution policies
within the democracy in a capitalist
system. And year by year, day by day,
year by year, these they instituted
black economic empowerment,
anti-white and increasingly anti-colored
Indian racial laws. 114
anti-white laws sit in our constitution. It's
It's
>> now when when did that when did that
start, though? Because again I'm I'm
trying to I'm trying to get it straight
in my mind with respect to the overlap
like okay Africa is seeing you know
500,000 new jobs a year it's seeing 3 to
5.7 GDP growth you know when when do we
start to see now again
provided that provided that a country
maintains relative stability relative stability
stability
um and now you can open up foreign
investment into a place so you've got a
ton of money coming in into a place that
one has has good agricultural compet trade
trade networks,
networks,
>> you know, resources. Like there there's
a lot of things that make South Africa
economically desirable. Um,
>> so I I can understand all that, but but
generally speaking, people are not
investing into a country that they think
is going to turn into a war zone
overnight or or they're not investing in
one where they feel reasonably confident
that the legislature is going to come in
and essentially expropriate everything
that they've done or nationalize their
industry once they built all the
infrastructure. So So why was that? Why
was there able to be economic growth
during that time and at what point what
point did it shut down and and what was
that critical point?
>> From 2008 onwards, Jacob Zumaposa,
the wheels came off.
>> Jacob Zuma's um era was complete plunder.
plunder. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Complete plunder. So B so so Mandela
gets in and despite what the ANC's
overall economic you know objectives are
>> Mandela is still committed to let let's
keep stability let's just keep things running
running
>> and keep economic growth
>> yeah keep so so again there's going to
be more redistribution right and there's
going to be more access opening things
up but we're not going to fundamentally
change the whole thing we're not
embracing you know again we're not the
vanguard of the proletariat we're not
doing any of the other Marxist stuff but
>> we're going to do that but What it what
it does is that once all that once all
that new investment starts coming in to
build upon an infrastructure which has
already been established now you have a
new administration comes in and it's
basically plunder time.
>> Correct. So >> okay
>> okay
>> under Mandela and Becky who followed
Mandela you know there was still
meritocracy economic growth but within
that there was elements of
transformation. So black economic
empowerment was introduced
>> but you know people accepted it. They
said we have to transform this economy.
That's fine. But the economy is growing.
There's an opportunity to invest.
Foreign direct investments coming in.
Good things are happening. We can handle
transformation. But in 2008 onwards,
we've had around 1% economic growth,
which is not economic growth. We've had
massive de-industrialization.
Our fixed investment as a percentage of
GDP is around 15%. An emerging market
should be 25%. I think America's 30%
fixed investment. We're going backwards
and everything's falling apart. And
under Z under Zuma when he was stealing
and pillaging with all these people, at
least he allowed businesses to continue.
His philosophy was we can steal for the
long term if we can still let the
economy tick along.
>> But you don't kill the post. Sir
Ramaposa in 2017 came in and because he
was a dollar billionaire, he'd been
given all these businesses in
transformation. People assumed he
wouldn't want to steal anymore. He's
made enough money. He's been in
business. I mean, he never actually
built, invested, or earned anything. He
was just given it. That's a mistake
everyone made. And therefore, South
Africa is going to be okay under Sir
Ramaposa. What has he done? He's
massively accelerated black economic
empowerment. and he signed into law.
Everything with three letters seems to
be a disaster. CR Ti SG. But listen to
this one. EWC
EWC
we have in law expropriation without compensation.
compensation.
So let's say Nick, you're a big
American. I know if you're a big
American corporate Nick, you're thinking
of investing in South Africa.
To get into the country, you've got to
give up 30% of your business
>> to someone based on color. Just give it
up 30%. Like Starink, they're not in
South Africa because Elon says, "I'm not
giving 30% of my company to to anyone
for no reason." Number one, there's an
entry tax. But secondly, you've got this
sort of damocles hanging over your head
called expropriation without
compensation. They can take your land,
your mine, your farm, the watch off your
arm, your house, if it's in the public
interest, build compensation. Why would
you invest in
>> that? That isn't that isn't you know
what this reminds me of? It reminds me
of those videos of Hugo Chavez walking
through a city in Venezuela and his aid
is saying, "Oh, this business is this."
And he goes, "Expropriate. Oh, this
business is this. Expropriate." I mean
this is this is the part where I I will
talk to people I know that socialist
leaning or whatever else it might be.
I'm like do you understand that you have
completely robbed anybody of the
incentive to invest long-term? They it's
almost like they honestly believe they
honestly believe that no you don't
understand these entrepreneurs just
can't help themselves. They they must
they must build a business and of course
they must do it in this country
otherwise we'll call them a racist and
then if we have to take it for the
public good well that's for the public
good and what's the pro but but the idea
that you I mean it look any sort of
expropriation even with compensation is
is highly problematic because who gets
to decide what the compensation is we
talk about
>> what the public interest is
>> yeah we we talk about this we we've had
these fights in the United States over
imminent domain laws now typically
imminent domain was always had to do
with roads and and major infrastructure
projects. But we had a major Supreme
Court decision at one point which said
the Supreme Court um the Supreme Court
had said that a locality could take your
property for just compensation if it
meant that whatever whoever they were
going to then sell it to could actually
produce more tax revenue. And and all of
a sudden I was like, "Wait a second, do
you realize what you've just done?"
>> Right? and and and and it was amazing
because even then it was just
compensation and the battle that we had
then was we said what is the mark what
is the fair market price of something I
don't want to sell you the the answer is
there isn't one right you you can say
you can give me comparative rates you
can give me comps but if I don't want to
sell it to you then there is no market
price for what I own but you're saying
that this isn't even for forget this
whole process of we're going to now go
through the process of trying to assess
your property we're going to get comps
on your bit we're going to look at your
business. We're going to compare it to
three other businesses of similar size
and scope, revenue, profit share, all
that, and then we're going to give you
that, but we're going to take it over
and nationalize it. You're just saying,
"Nope." They walk in one day. Do they do
they even have to go through a
legislative process or is it just
>> There is a bure
>> and it's one there's a case happening
right now 43 hectares in Kurillani, a
city in Nannisburg, which the family
that owned it wanted to develop it for
social housing. The city of Aurelani
said no. Yeah,
>> we're going to expropriate it for social
housing. The family said, "That's fine.
Let's discuss compensation." Okay. They
said, "That's fine. That's we were going
to do that anyway, but if you want to do
it, that's fine." 5 years ago, they
would have done it by now, by the way.
And the city then goes, "Well, it's in
the public interest. We're going to pay
you nil."
>> And it's happening as a group.
>> But Nick,
>> so the government can just steal your
property. If you just look at black
economic empowerment as a massive cost
on businesses or businesses coming into
South Africa and EWC, you wouldn't come
near South Africa. I haven't even
mentioned our crumbling infrastructure,
our overregulation, our ridiculous labor
laws, our brutal unions, the civil
unrest we've had and potentially could
have, the you know the highest one of
the highest murder rates in the world,
one of the lowest education success
stories in the world. I can go on and on
and on and on. We have something called
load shedding. You ready for this?
>> Oh yeah. I'm aware of load shedding. Please.
Please.
>> Right. So for two, four, six hours a
day, you get no electricity. How do you
run a business now? Why would anyone in
their right mind want to come into South
Africa and invest? How do you get a
hurdle rate that justifies that? For us
living in South Africa, there are ways
to invest and make money and we love
this place and it's worth fighting for.
That's why we're here.
>> So, you say it's worth fighting for, but
I look at the composition of your
legislature and I look at the trend that
the way that it's actually been heading
right now, and this kind of goes into
the next part that I wanted to talk
about, is that again, you had a you had
a great deal of violence around the
transition, leveled out. Then you had
another spike which look appears to have
peaked in 2019. >> Correct.
>> Correct.
>> And then it's been slowly slowly going
down from there. But you have you have
these political parties and political
leaders within to include former
presidents of the ANC, but you you also
have what is it the EFF um which is
funny the economic freedom fighters, but
it's a communist organization. So
>> yeah. So um I mean and they're all doing
the the phrase the kill the boar which
is is representative of white farmers in
South Africa. Um, now the one claim,
right, the the generous claim is that,
oh, no, no, no, this is just part of an
old, you know, resistance apartheid
song. Um, you know, you you can't you
can't take it literally.
Um, which must be hard to do if you're a
farmer that's getting, you know,
tortured or having their land taken from
them or or, you know, having their wife
murdered or or whatever else. uh has has
in fact been verified that is going on
within South Africa regardless of what
you know CNN or BBC want to tell us. Um
why do you do do you think that sudden
shift and maybe it's not so sudden but
do do you think that shift of okay
economic development now you saw this
period of corruption now you're starting
to see these areas again where again the
when whenever you get a crumbling
infrastructure especially with um energy
it impacts everything it impacts
everything but it's not just that you
you've also got these major issues with
for a while South Africa having one of
the highest murder rates in the world
one of the highest kidnap camping rates
in the world, one of the highest rape
issues, one of the highest child rape,
you know, statistics in the world. And
and it seems like there's around three
or four provinces for which this is, you
know, really dominating.
Has South Africa is South Africa still a
place where you go to one portion of the
country and it feels like a war zone or
or it's just it feels dangerous no
matter where you go and then you go to
another place and it feels like a resort.
resort.
>> Yes. Is is is that it or is it pretty
much across the board right now people
are afraid to to walk down the street?
>> So, it's pretty simple really. Any area
run by the ANC or MK or EFF is falling
apart and is dangerous.
>> Any area run by the opposition parties
because it's not just it's the main one,
the Democratic Alliance, but they're two
or three smaller ones are wellrun and
generally much safer. So this isn't when
you say run by this organization or that
organization obviously on the on the
what we would say in the United States
the federal level or the national level
you have the this coalition
>> like blue state and red states. Okay.
>> Got it. Got it.
>> Equivalent. So for for local so you you
still have
>> your local again you town council
mayoral city council things like that.
And so far it is run by you know the
parties that you're you're referring to.
You still have relative safety. Cape
Town's the capital city of the Western Cape
Cape
>> and the Western Cape. Cape Town's always
been run by the Democratic Alliance. And
the Western Cape province has been run
by the Democratic Alliance for 20 years.
I think if you drive on the highway or
on any road from a bordering province
to and from the Western Cape, it's like
crossing the border into another
country. The other provinces have
potholes in the roads, railways not
working, things have fallen down. You
know, the grass verges are not being
cut. You arrive in the Western Cape,
grass verges, beautiful highways, lights
come on at night, and it works. And the
metro police know what they're doing.
You know, we've even got drone
surveillance by police in Western UK.
It's it's just a different animal, and
it's down to good governance and good
ideology. So this is this is interesting
because again my my my impression of
South Africa is that it is much more of
a a top down centrallyun country. Um and
it sounds to me that it's actually more
um there's there's a great deal of
difference in between provinces and that
the provinces have some degree of uh
autonomy or authority when it comes to
managing their own affairs. Not enough.
>> So obviously
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, obviously in the United
States, you're going to find you're not
going to feel like you're in a totally
different country, you know, between
Texas and California, but you're
definitely going to notice some things
if you if you live in one of these
places and how they're managed and how
they're run. If you go to San Francisco
or if you go to, you know, Nashville,
you're going to see some obvious
differences and and a lot of that is
going to be reflected by, you know,
issues at the local level, issues at the
state level and, you know, the federal
not quite as much. It it sounds like
there's something similar in South
Africa with the with respect to as bad
as things might be run at the federal
level. You still have these enclaves or
these areas which feel pretty safe
developed. And how is that even possible
when you have so much nationalization of
strategic industry whether it be your
rail system, your energy and things like
this? Like I can understand in the
United States where you know in Virginia
you're going to have a completely
different uh company set of companies
running your power in different areas of
Virginia, right? We don't just have one
group that runs all of it. Um and we
certainly don't have a group that runs
all of it within the United States. Is
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>> So, I I'll address those two
differently. So we we don't have the beautiful
beautiful
you know separation of power you have in
America. So you have national, federal, state.
state.
We have some of it but not enough. And
that if South Africa has to go in a
direction it's that we need to push
federalization and decentralization as
hard as possible. Under the National
Africans apartite government we had
Ptoria our capital city making all the
decisions. and the ANC we've had Ptoria
making almost all the decisions
but certain cities and provinces or states
states
have by default managed to pull certain
powers down from the center I'll give
you an example of policing
so the national police force SAPS South
African police services is absolutely
fundamentally fallen apart and useless
in fact there's infighting there's a
huge commission going on at the moment
moment because the senior policeman has
said the minister of police is corrupt
and so are the people around him. It's a
hu it's exploded in the last month.
There's this big commission going on.
It's almost riveting to watch it. What
that what's really going on is they're
just fighting over who can steal the
most. And the guy who's complaining has
been cut out of the honeypot. So, he's
pushing the other guys under the bus. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> The the police in South Africa
go to the firing range. They only have a
budget to go to the firing range once a
year and shoot at a fixed target.
The average middle-class South African
like me that has guns and gun licenses
is way better trained and way better
armed than the policeman. So what's
happened is private security has evolved
into a massive industry. There are three
times more private armed private
security guards in South Africa than
South African police policemen because
the private sectors had to step in. But
what the Cape province and Cape Town's
done is said South African police
services are useless. We need our own
metro police and they got a loophole in
the law which has allowed them to fund
and develop a metro police service. The
only thing the local police can't do is
investigate a crime. And we're trying to
we're trying to get those pilots. They
can do everything else. They can arrest
you, stop you, take you to jail, fill
out the docket, but by law they can't
actually investigate a crime. So there
hundreds of dockets that are open, but
that power is being pulled down from the
center. So
>> So they're more like a prevention tool.
>> The second question you asked is,
>> well, real real quick, real quick,
because this is interesting. So you're
saying your whole police force in the
Ktown metropolitan area, it it's a it's
a it's more for preventative measures
because if if they can't actually go
through the process of investigating
crime and then sending people to jail
long term, if they can essentially just
do temporary detention. So they're
>> they're probably more better than that
because they, you know, they've got
drone services that can identify a
pistol crack or a rifle shot and
immediately identify where it's
happening, alert the metro police, and
they can be there very quickly. So it's very
very
>> when I say yeah, when I say prevention,
I I don't mean that um I don't mean that
that's useless. Obviously, if you have
if you have an armed guard sitting out
front of your house, right, that that
can be really really good at mitigating
mitigating crime.
>> Yeah. at mitigating crime. Um, but if if
they're not actually able to engage in
the the complete process of arrest,
detain, prosecute, and then long-term
detention, I mean, there's a significant
thing missing from that from that
process. Missing from what exists with
pretty much every single major
metropolitan police force in the world.
Um, okay. So, so the second, you raised
the second topic and I'll quickly answer
it. You talked about, you know, in
America different electricity providers.
So we have ESCOM, Electricity Supply
Commission. In 1994 when the ANC took
over, ESCOM was producing so much
electricity so inexpensively, it was
exporting to 60% of the rest of Africa.
>> Today we import electricity and have
load shedding. That's what the ANC's
done. But there's been privatization by
default because everybody's now got
solar panels, >> um,
>> um,
>> diesel generators, bore holes, you know,
because education's so bad, tries to
send their kids, a bore hole pulls water
out of the ground because you can't rely
on the government to
>> Oh, got it.
>> So, we have private schools, private
security. Uh, you've got to have your
own electricity, your own water. I mean,
you know, just it because the government
is failing in every aspect. All these
private businesses have come. But I'll
give you a quick example of
privatization by default. South African
Airways was the only airline South
Africa had and it was the best in Africa
by far was superb. The ANC have stolen
it to death. They turned it into an
employment agency and bankrupted it. But
private operators have come to the four
and there's Fly Safair, Airlink and
Semire that are flying people left,
right and center around South Africa and
making a fortune because they've gone
into the gap created by the failure of
South African Airways. So with
stateowned enterprises run by the ANC
failing, private enterprises come to the
gap. Our rail networks collapsed. We
have more rail than any than the whole
of the rest of Africa combined and very
few routes are still operating. But now
we have incredible logistics and lries
and you know other forms of
>> here here's okay this confuses me though
because it well it doesn't confuses me
does it never confuses me when the
private sector does things better than
the government sector that like yeah it
it never confuses me when that happens
that that's typically the case because
an entrepreneur has to convince you to
do business with you they can't force
you by law
>> and so they always find efficiencies and
they they're they find new ways to meet
demand um what What what surprises me is
that as I look at the trend within the
government, we we all know what happens.
Part part of the reason why EFF and all
these other things are starting to once
again appeal to, you know, racism, uh
once again appeal toward, you know,
communism, expropriation, all of these
things is because what a Marxist
ideology requires is an enemy. They have
to have an enemy. The enemy is what
motivates to actually take things over
in the first well, first of all, they
claim it's injustice, right? that the
injustice is always associated with an
enemy. They take out the enemy. They
they redistribute resources or whatever
else that they're going to do. They
nationalize industry in order to achieve
greater equity. And then things start to
fall apart. Well, it can't possibly be
the ideology they've adopted. So, there
has to be an there has to be an enemy.
And and the easiest way there there's
there's two very very easy ways in a
place like South Africa to identify who
your enemy is. You don't look like me
and you have more stuff than me. Right?
You don't look like me, you have more
stuff than me. And so, like you said,
what was like over a hundred different
new pieces of legislation within your
constitution. So, we're not just talking
about basic local statutes here. We're
talking about the fundamental document
which creates your country has over a
hundred different pe over 100 different
line items that directly discriminate
against you because of your skin color
for being white. And now what's in
what's happening is you have certain
areas which have a as a result either
either operating um in opposition to the
law that the government is just
currently letting you get away with or
that they're you know finding the sort
of legal loopholes that you mentioned in
order to make it possible. What's going
to end up happening is the contrast is
just going to get even more and more
stark and significant. So as the corrupt
elements continue to fight over ever
dwindling and diminishing resources and
as the people that are actually coming
up with private sector mechanisms in
order to or organized society and
civilizational things that we just know
work you guys will be the target like
there's no there's no so so at this point
point
>> I I got to ask the question why why
bother why I mean I it it seems to me
that a lot of the people and and again I
I understand patriotism and filty toward
home and and all of that, but investing
time and resources into a place that
apparently hates you and hates your
family and and you're getting up here.
You're you're talking about it, which
means you're like, I would like a bigger
target on me, please. Right? Why why
continue to do it even because you can
point right now to the success, but I'm
looking at that going, yeah, EFF gets a
little bit more power or the ANC because
here's the other thing. The ANC feels
like they have to compete for voters
within the EFF. So they have to get more radical
radical
>> in order to attract Yeah. In order to
attract those voters, you're the target, man.
man.
>> I mean, so what's going on?
>> So Nick, you've nailed it. That I mean,
you absolutely nailed it. That summary
has it all. I I can answer this a
different way. My wife is a New
Zealander. You don't get a safer,
softer. I mean, there's no racism.
There's no pollution. There's no anyone
on the border. They don't even have an
army. It's like the hobbits, you know?
We're living in mortal fighting all
>> where they fil the shire
>> and and New Zealand's like hobbit land.
You know, they all got furry feet and
living in pastures greening and there's
no nothing to worry about.
>> But she loves it here. And she said to
me five years ago.
Can I swear? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Swear on your show.
>> I effing love this place. It's worth
fighting for. This is a New Zealand that
doesn't have to be here.
>> And it is I don't know what it is. It's
something I came back to South Africa
after 31 years living in America and
Europe in the UK. I did the whole
Harvard Business School, Goldman Sachs.
I had businesses and I came back and I
will not leave. I will fight for this
country and I love it. And Nick, I'm
wealthy. I've got a lot to lose. Three
weeks ago, a South African police force
officer went on Tik Tok, you can look it
up, and said, "What happened to Charlie
Kirk needs to happen to Rob Hersel on
Tik Tok. That's what's going on here.
I've had death threats at plenty.
>> So, okay. But
>> why am I doing
>> well? Like, well, not only not only
that, but I I understand we have this
debate going on in the United States and
under nowhere near the same conditions,
but similar frustrations with respect to
some states hate me, right? And some
states love what I believe. and and
we're constantly asking the question of
like, okay, well, you know, again, why
do I want to live in a place that's
constantly making it harder for me to
raise my kids, run my business, protect
myself or my family? Um, and yet you're
in a place where that is all of that is
dialed up to a thousand
and I I can look at it like Virginia.
Virginia right now, we have a a very
contentious race taking place and I
can't tell you how it's going to I can't
tell you how it's going to play out. I
can tell you how the elections are going
to play out in South Africa having never
lived there or visited there. I can just
look at the numbers and be like your
party ain't winning any elections
anytime soon, right? Like you guys are
not going to be running the government
anytime soon over there.
>> the white population was 20% of South Africa.
Africa.
>> It's 7% today. Okay. And yet the
Democratic Alliance, which is a pro-
west, Judeo-Christian capitalist li not
libertarian enough for me anyway, but
let's call them they're kind of the
Democrats. I want more the Republicans,
but they're Democrats and that's pretty
good in the South African scheme of things.
things.
>> Won 21% of the vote.
>> White population 7%. The Democratic
Alliance is winning a lot of black
colored and Indian voters. And the
needle is moving. Anyone my age, 65 as
of last week,
remembers apartheite. And a lot of those
old voters are going, I'm still devoted
to the ANC, the liberation movement.
They changed my life. They made it was
horrible under apartheite. It's much
better now despite everything falling apart.
apart.
>> But the kids who weren't born under apartheite,
apartheite,
>> black colored Indian white are going,
"Hang on, we're not loyal to the ANC."
And look at what damage they're doing to
the country. And that crowd, some of
them are going to EFF, admittedly, but
that crowd are either saying, "I'm not
voting ANC anymore. I don't know who to
vote for." Or they're moving in our
direction to the center center right.
And in 2029, mark my words, we got to
survive four more years, in 2029, I
believe the Democratic Alliance will be
at 32 33% will be the lead party forming
the new government. If we can make it
through to then,
we may have saved the country. And I
want to thank America.
If Donald Trump hadn't got elected, the
pressure on the ANC wouldn't be there.
And it is enormous right now because
Congressman Ronnie Jackson of Texas has
put a a bill in place or whatever it's
called that's going to go through
Congress and Senator Kennedy of
Louisiana has now put one into the
Senate. and they're almost identical in wording
wording
which will bring sanctions
Magnitzky SDN acid freezes onto the
criminals and gangsters of the ANC EFF
and MK individually
and that is going to produce huge
pressure. In addition, you guys knocked
out Iran which is funding the ANC. If
you think of Houthi, Hezbollah, and and
Hamas as an as Iran proxies, add one
more, the ANC.
>> So, it really hasn't gotten that bad.
ANC is Yeah.
>> And so, America is making a huge
difference here by putting pressure on
the bad guys. And I want to thank
>> all of you Americans, bipartisan by the
way, but particularly Donald Trump and
the administration for doing this.
>> Bring one of the things we needed.
>> Yeah. One of the things that I I've
really appreciated and again look I I
fought in the Iraq war and and I come
back now and I look at a lot of what we
did over there I think you know and I
and it's not a criticism of me or my
fellow um soldiers or Marines or whatnot
in the in the work that we were doing.
It's more of the you look at the
long-term um long-term damage done in
places like Afghanistan where you know
it's it's hard for Americans to come to
grips with the idea that we fought a
20-year long war to replace the Taliban
with the Taliban. It it is it is very
difficult to look at what happened with
the destabilization um in Iraq and the
fact that Iran has far more influence in
Iraq than it did under Saddam Hussein.
And none of that is to say that we
shouldn't have done something after 911.
None of that is to say that we shouldn't
have uh that that Saddam Hussein was a
good guy. It's more about just
understand real politic. And one of the
things that I think Trump has done
exceptionally well has been to
understand that the US is going to play
and should play a role in international
affairs. Right? I'm I'm not an I I tend
to be a non-interventionist unless
there's a very very clear and pressing
American interest, but I'm not an
isolationist. Like I I want I want trade
and I want you know cultural exchange
and those things. I think those things
can be very very beneficial. Uh but
Trump has recognized that
projecting US economic and military
power doesn't mean that we have to
engage in a 20-year long nation building
scheme to accomplish nothing. And I
really I really appreciate uh Trump's
approach to that. Not to mention the
fact that, you know, the the world being
the world's reserve currency actually
has has a lot of has a lot of weight to
it if you if you apply it correctly. So
I I want to I I want to zero in on what
you said with respect to kind of
changing voting demographics because
that is very interesting.
>> You made a very good point here.
>> South Africa is very different to
Afghanistan, Kuwait and any of those
countries. It is a it is 90% Judeo-Christian
Judeo-Christian >> conservative
>> conservative churchgoing
churchgoing
naturally capitalist naturally pro- West
country. The ANC government has
introduced identity politics and CRT and
Marxist nonsense and racist laws. But
the broad majority of people in South
Africa don't believe in that. They're
not anti-white.
They are pro
>> America. And I always say that my dream
when I'm lying dreaming of the a
wonderful world I dream of the USS
Nimmits parked outside Cape Town because
what would happen the ANC would collapse
and the vast majority of people would
welcome America you wouldn't have to
nation build the nation's ready
>> here's here's what I'll say the only
thing I'll say on that is like I I I
have I have heard that before right I've
heard that before ah we will be welcomed
with open arms we will be welcomed with
open arms and then yeah it turns out
we're we're Not. But but that's again
that's not to say we can't have
influence, right? I I' I've said before
I'm tired of fighting other people's
wars, but that doesn't mean that I'm
personally neutral on who wins the war,
right? Like I I want the people that
want civilization and I don't want the
Marxists to win in South Africa. And to
the extent that the United States can be
influential in that process without
committing troops or without American
taxpayers having to bear the brunt of a
particular fight, like I want the I want
the good guys to win, right? because I
do think that in there's no there's no
perfect guys, right? But there's good
there's there's the good side, there's
the side I want to win, the side I want
to lose. Um, but with respect to South
Africa, I want to I want to push back on
one thing here because I need you to
explain this to me. When you say 90% of
the country this 90% of the country
doesn't want this, I look at that like
that doesn't seem to be reflected in
your government. It doesn't seem to
reflect in your election outcomes. And
the only reason I push back on that is
because I I've heard this I've heard
this so many times with countries like,
"Oh, it's it's not the people, it's
their government." And then I'll look
around be like, "Yeah, but I'm I'm
looking at what the people are saying
and I I'm looking at and again, social
media is only a microcosm and you
shouldn't you shouldn't get too much out
of it, but you also shouldn't ignore
it." that's going, "No, there seems to
be a general sentiment." Like we saw
this with Gaza, like always, well, no,
there there seems to be a general a
general consensus on on the way certain
people want things to go. So, if 90% of
the population, you know, wasn't
anti-white or or wasn't u or or was
capitalist, why is the ANC run the place
for 30 years?
>> Because we haven't ever had a democracy.
you know the uh the white settlers the
black settlers have been in the country
for let's say 900 years the white
settlers since 1652 and there was always
one group in charge and there has been
till last year and
and
there's never been real democracy until
1994 and we're only 30 years in and if
you I'm making this up now let's assume
it takes a hundred years for democracy
to actually settle properly into a
country for education levels to come up
for people to be given, you know,
opportunity that they deserve for, you
know, etc., etc. We're only 30 years in.
Give it a chance. It is actually
working. Believe it or not, we still
have free speech. If I'm a businessman,
I'm the one of the very few standing up
and and telling it like it is. And I'm
here to tell the tale. If I was in
Russia, China, Iran, or North Korea, you
wouldn't you wouldn't see me. I'd be bye-bye.
bye-bye.
>> No. Yeah.
>> I'd be long gone. But here, you know, I
say footsack and c. Footsack is
>> it's not rude, but it means
>> bugger offc a little bit rude.
>> And I said it publicly five years ago.
People said, "You can't say that. It's
insulting." And I said, "Well, I'm going
to say it." Now, everyone's saying it.
>> I was one of the rare business people
saying anything. Now, more and more are
speaking. People are speaking up. The
needle's moving.
>> It's moving. And well, and I and I again
I I I I appreciate that because you I've
said this before. Cowardice is
contagious, but so is courage. And when
some people start to do it, other people
like, you know what, that guy's right.
>> So, let me ask you one other question.
And and I you may have already answered
that, but I I want it a little bit more
specific. And and if you don't know,
that's fine.
How do you see you you Well, okay, I'll
back up. You already said that the
younger people that didn't grow up under
a parttheid are um are starting to kind
of push back on this idea. they're
seeing that they're seeing the results
of, you know, failed ANC policies. Let
me tell you what my experience is in the
United States.
Um, I have served in the Virginia State
Legislature for 10 years and I have
served with people that are old enough
to remember when we had um, you know,
Jim Crow laws, right? So, they remember
when there was actually structural
racism within certain states within the
United States. Now, again, all the
Democrats claim that it never went away.
it just went underground or whatever.
But no, there was a point where we, no
kidding, had laws on the books in
several states which disadvantaged
people based off of their skin color,
disadvantaged black Americans. And they
they remember that. They remember that.
And then um I serve with other
colleagues who
never directly experienced any of that.
And the more radical ones are the ones
that never directly experienced any of
it. Right? the the the Jay Jones guy
that's running for attorney general in
Virginia that wished death upon the
toddlers of, you know, the former
Republican House Speaker. Um that guy
went to a prep school. Mom was a judge.
Dad was a delegate. um this this this
guy did not grow up, you know, just, you
know, dodging bullets or dodging, you
know, getting beaten up by gangs of
white people running around trying to
and yet and yet he's far more radical
than than some of the other legislators
that I served with who are who
legitimately like if they were if they
were showing up furious, I would be
like, I get it. I get it. They experienced
experienced
legal racism directed against them and
and they're angry about it and they want
to make sure it never happens again. And
it's not that they're not passionate,
but it's almost like they appreciate the
prog progress that has been made,
whereas some of the the younger guys are almost
almost
their their demand for racism is way
outstripping the supply and so they're
manufacturing more of it. My question is
in South Africa, do you see do do you
see young people that are generally
trending toward this idea of we've got
to work our way out of this, the ANC
isn't doing it, and I'm looking for I'm
looking for solutions that work. When I
look at Cape Town, when I look at this,
I see something working
>> and I don't think it's I don't think
it's white. I think it just works.
>> Or are you see
>> that's it.
>> Okay. So, or or or are you also seeing the trend where young people are going
the trend where young people are going the EFF out route where it's like, no,
the EFF out route where it's like, no, no, no. Our real problem is is we just
no, no. Our real problem is is we just didn't kill enough of them, you know, in
didn't kill enough of them, you know, in you know, in 2019.
you know, in 2019. >> So, in universities,
>> So, in universities, the EFF is very popular amongst the
the EFF is very popular amongst the intellectual young.
intellectual young. >> What a shot. And our universities have
>> What a shot. And our universities have been heavily radicalized like the rest
been heavily radicalized like the rest of the western world. But at ground
of the western world. But at ground level, it's exactly what you said. It's
level, it's exactly what you said. It's two words. Service delivery.
two words. Service delivery. People remember under apartheite and up
People remember under apartheite and up till 2008, they had electricity, water,
till 2008, they had electricity, water, houses were being built and there was an
houses were being built and there was an opportunity to get a job. That has
opportunity to get a job. That has disappeared. Johannesburg, the biggest
disappeared. Johannesburg, the biggest economic unit in Africa, has been run
economic unit in Africa, has been run into the ground by the ANC. There are
into the ground by the ANC. There are potholes in the roads. There's sewage in
potholes in the roads. There's sewage in the streets. It's fall, it's disgusting.
the streets. It's fall, it's disgusting. It's fallen apart.
It's fallen apart. And there's a municipal election end of
And there's a municipal election end of next year where this wonderful woman,
next year where this wonderful woman, Helen Zilla, is going to run for mayor.
Helen Zilla, is going to run for mayor. She's septtogenarian. She doesn't need
She's septtogenarian. She doesn't need to be doing this. And she's our Margaret
to be doing this. And she's our Margaret Thatcher. She's our lioness. she's
Thatcher. She's our lioness. she's decided to run for mayor of Johannesburg
decided to run for mayor of Johannesburg and
and it's all about service delivery. She
it's all about service delivery. She said, "I know I'm part of the Democratic
said, "I know I'm part of the Democratic Alliance and you have been ANC all your
Alliance and you have been ANC all your lives, but haven't you had enough of no
lives, but haven't you had enough of no service delivery, no electricity,
service delivery, no electricity, puddles on the road and sewage
puddles on the road and sewage everywhere. I will fix that and she's
everywhere. I will fix that and she's going to wound your house." And that's
going to wound your house." And that's what it's down to amongst the radicals,
what it's down to amongst the radicals, the intelligencia,
the intelligencia, they've been, you know, they're cultural
they've been, you know, they're cultural Marxists. We're never going to get them.
Marxists. We're never going to get them. But the vast majority of people, they're
But the vast majority of people, they're desperate for the basics. Unlike America
desperate for the basics. Unlike America where you those things, you kind of get
where you those things, you kind of get them. You take them for granted. You
them. You take them for granted. You have a safety net of sorts and you have
have a safety net of sorts and you have economic growth. Wonderful two words. We
economic growth. Wonderful two words. We don't have that. We we have economic
don't have that. We we have economic growth of less than 1% of population
growth of less than 1% of population growth of 1.5% for 10 years. We're going
growth of 1.5% for 10 years. We're going backwards. So people are now voting for
backwards. So people are now voting for service delivery for the basics and
service delivery for the basics and that's where we're going to win.
that's where we're going to win. >> All right. Well, Rob, I really
>> All right. Well, Rob, I really appreciate you taking the time and and
appreciate you taking the time and and sharing your experience and sharing
sharing your experience and sharing what's going on in this part of the
what's going on in this part of the world and and again how how the United
world and and again how how the United States could be influential and why it's
States could be influential and why it's why it should be important um to the
why it should be important um to the United States with respect to our
United States with respect to our foreign policy. Can can you give anybody
foreign policy. Can can you give anybody information on where they can find out
information on where they can find out if they want to find out more um about
if they want to find out more um about what's going on in South Africa? Where
what's going on in South Africa? Where can they find out more from you about
can they find out more from you about you?
you? >> So firstly, it's a there's the greatest
>> So firstly, it's a there's the greatest tourist destination in the world. It
tourist destination in the world. It really is. And it's safe and I'd
really is. And it's safe and I'd encourage all America. It's cheap as
encourage all America. It's cheap as chips. United and Delta fly direct from
chips. United and Delta fly direct from Atlanta, DC, and New York. Come and
Atlanta, DC, and New York. Come and visit. And Nick, come as my guest,
visit. And Nick, come as my guest, please. But how do you find out?
please. But how do you find out? >> Okay. So,
>> Okay. So, >> how do you find out?
>> how do you find out? >> So, okay. So, so where where where can
>> So, okay. So, so where where where can people Okay, now I'm gonna ask a
people Okay, now I'm gonna ask a follow-up question.
follow-up question. >> But before before that, where where can
>> But before before that, where where can people find out more about like the
people find out more about like the interviews you've done? Because you've
interviews you've done? Because you've done you've done some excellent
done you've done some excellent interviews. Your one with trigonometry
interviews. Your one with trigonometry was was outstanding. Thank you. Where
was was outstanding. Thank you. Where can people find out more?
can people find out more? >> So, I've launched a alternative media
>> So, I've launched a alternative media business called the truth report. So, if
business called the truth report. So, if you go to truthreport.co.za.co.za,
ZA which is South Africa. All of our videos, myself and other center center
videos, myself and other center center right podcasters are on there and that's
right podcasters are on there and that's you know we're about to go through
you know we're about to go through 100,000 subscribers. So maybe Nick you
100,000 subscribers. So maybe Nick you people can get me over that. There's an
people can get me over that. There's an American podcaster who loves South
American podcaster who loves South Africa Colonel retired Colonel Chris
Africa Colonel retired Colonel Chris Wyatt
Wyatt >> and I did a deal with him. I said if we
>> and I did a deal with him. I said if we hit go through 100,000 subs on YouTube
hit go through 100,000 subs on YouTube before the end of this month I'll fly
before the end of this month I'll fly him to South Africa for his next trip.
him to South Africa for his next trip. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> So maybe your re your viewers can help.
>> So maybe your re your viewers can help. Truth Report.
Truth Report. >> Well, and we'll we'll do a bonus
>> Well, and we'll we'll do a bonus question here because again, when I when
question here because again, when I when I've been reading about South Africa
I've been reading about South Africa right now, I'm I'm reading about a place
right now, I'm I'm reading about a place that once upon a time I really wanted to
that once upon a time I really wanted to go and visit. I I thought would just be
go and visit. I I thought would just be fascinating.
fascinating. >> And more recently, I've been thinking
>> And more recently, I've been thinking I'm not taking my wife there. I'm not
I'm not taking my wife there. I'm not taking my kids there. Right. You're
taking my kids there. Right. You're coming.
coming. >> So, so but but but you're telling me
>> So, so but but but you're telling me you're you're telling all of us like no,
you're you're telling all of us like no, no, there there's still there's there's
no, there there's still there's there's hope. uh the the things are trending in
hope. uh the the things are trending in the posit in a right direction. Uh that
the posit in a right direction. Uh that doesn't mean there's not going to be
doesn't mean there's not going to be conflict. It's slow, right? There's
conflict. It's slow, right? There's there's going to be some regions that
there's going to be some regions that you're probably not going to visit on
you're probably not going to visit on your vacation to South Africa. But if I
your vacation to South Africa. But if I if I am going if I am going one day and
if I am going if I am going one day and I'm and I'm bringing my wife uh who I
I'm and I'm bringing my wife uh who I love and don't want to get hurt, right?
love and don't want to get hurt, right? Um what am I going to South Africa to
Um what am I going to South Africa to see and and um and to do?
see and and um and to do? >> Two Americans arrived here four days ago
>> Two Americans arrived here four days ago and I hosted them for two days only in
and I hosted them for two days only in Cape Town because they had to go off and
Cape Town because they had to go off and do other stuff. Never been here before.
do other stuff. Never been here before. One lady from Texas, man from New York.
One lady from Texas, man from New York. At the second day, they said, "We've
At the second day, they said, "We've never been to a place so beautiful." The
never been to a place so beautiful." The biggest mistake was two days only. We're
biggest mistake was two days only. We're coming back. You come to Cape Town,
coming back. You come to Cape Town, incredible beaches, mountains, hiking,
incredible beaches, mountains, hiking, wine route. It it's it's another planet.
wine route. It it's it's another planet. It's so gorgeous. And then you spend
It's so gorgeous. And then you spend some time on safari. It's beaches. It's
some time on safari. It's beaches. It's vineyards. It's It's beyond It's beyond
vineyards. It's It's beyond It's beyond It's Nappa plus San Francisco plus
It's Nappa plus San Francisco plus Sydney, Australia. You've got it all.
Sydney, Australia. You've got it all. It's paradise on Earth and it's cheap as
It's paradise on Earth and it's cheap as chips. Our currency is so weak. Your
chips. Our currency is so weak. Your dollar goes a long way.
dollar goes a long way. >> Well, ladies and gentlemen, you've asked
>> Well, ladies and gentlemen, you've asked for it and we're delivering it. Nick,
for it and we're delivering it. Nick, how can you have so many coffee mugs and
how can you have so many coffee mugs and not have a coffee line? Oh, don't we?
not have a coffee line? Oh, don't we? That's right. We are rolling out our new
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If you like what we do here, it's a great way to show your support, not to
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mention show your loved ones that you truly love them. Thank you. All right.
truly love them. Thank you. All right. All right. Right. Well, maybe maybe
you've convinced me. Maybe you've convinced me, Rob. Well, first of all,
convinced me, Rob. Well, first of all, again, I just want to say thank you so
again, I just want to say thank you so much for for taking the time and and
much for for taking the time and and also thank you for being willing to take
also thank you for being willing to take a stand to fight for your country um to
a stand to fight for your country um to to fight for your civilization uh in in
to fight for your civilization uh in in South Africa because again, it would be
South Africa because again, it would be very very easy for you to just pick up
very very easy for you to just pick up stakes uh go somewhere else uh but
stakes uh go somewhere else uh but you've decided to you've decided to
you've decided to you've decided to plant the flag and and fight for a
plant the flag and and fight for a place. You know, one of the things I've
place. You know, one of the things I've one of the things I have recognized is
one of the things I have recognized is um if you want to turn a place around,
um if you want to turn a place around, then the other side has has to
then the other side has has to understand that there's nothing they can
understand that there's nothing they can do to make you stop fighting. And you
do to make you stop fighting. And you have certainly made that very very
have certainly made that very very clear.
clear. >> God bless Americ
and and all the work that he's done. check out uh the interviews that he's
check out uh the interviews that he's done because again he's he's done some
done because again he's he's done some very very great interviews that that are
very very great interviews that that are very enlightening about the situation
very enlightening about the situation over there and again I I hope that you
over there and again I I hope that you as I uh now have some renewed hope with
as I uh now have some renewed hope with respect to what's going on in South
respect to what's going on in South Africa and that it can once again be a
Africa and that it can once again be a just a wonderful place to live to visit
just a wonderful place to live to visit to travel and to own a business. Once
to travel and to own a business. Once again thank you for joining us and we'll
again thank you for joining us and we'll see you next episode.
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