0:05 Paul Romer was born in 1955 in Denver
0:07 Colorado he received his PhD from
0:11 University of Chicago but unlike
0:14 professor nor house Paul moved around
0:16 quite a bit
0:18 University of Rochester back to
0:20 University of Chicago University of
0:23 California Berkeley Stanford University
0:25 New York University where you are
0:29 currently the research question there as
0:33 we already know now was about this other
0:36 resource knowledge and in particular
0:40 knowledge how its ever advanced in
0:44 market economies not in at universities
0:46 obviously it's advanced here as well but
0:49 in market economies and I said that
0:51 knowledge accumulation in the form of
0:53 new technologies is absolutely crucial
0:55 for us and we've heard it's crucial in
1:01 this particular area as well so the key
1:04 step here was the development of what is
1:06 now ubiquitous Lee called endogenous
1:09 growth theory please ladies and
1:10 gentlemen Paul Romer [Applause]
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1:34 I I too will rely on technology and and
1:36 as that there's a designated advocate
1:39 for technology you can count on it
1:49 so thank you
1:53 pair for framing the work that bill and
1:55 I have been engaged in in such I think
1:57 an appropriate way it really is the
2:01 global macro economics of the tension
2:04 between the restraining force of scarce
2:08 resources and the positive force that
2:12 can come from discovery and innovation
2:15 let me ask you to thank all the members
2:18 of the committee for highlighting the
2:22 connection between these two forces the
2:24 restraining and the positive and it's
2:27 the balance of these two that will
2:32 determine our fate thanks as well to the
2:36 many friends and colleagues and to the
2:37 members of my family who can all be here
2:42 today I let me save my appreciation for
2:45 the vision of Alfred Nobel and for the
2:47 foundation that continues to keep his
2:51 vision alive let me save that for my
2:58 conclusion so lately lots of people have
3:00 been asking me why exactly I won the
3:08 my task once again is to try to explain
3:12 and I'll do my best but one of the
3:14 things I learned from my father who's
3:16 here in the front row as who spent his
3:19 life as a politician is that the key to
3:23 success is to manage expectations so let
3:25 me warn you that I have trouble
3:28 explaining why I think technological
3:33 change is so compelling and so subtle
3:36 when my son Jeff was seven or eight he
3:38 asked me what kind of work I did as a
3:41 professor I told him well I'm trying to
3:44 understand why your grandparents when
3:46 they were children didn't have access to
3:48 the kinds of things that you have like a
3:52 video cassette recorder Jeff looked at
3:57 me and said dad that's obvious when
3:59 nanny and granddad were kids the video
4:01 cassette recorder hadn't been invented
4:05 yet is there anything else from your
4:14 so today I'll start by trying to
4:19 describe this notion of the possibility
4:23 of progress and explain why when I was
4:25 in graduate school in 1980 there were so
4:28 many doubts about whether progress was
4:31 possible whether this positive force of
4:35 discovery could offset the tension the
4:37 restraining force of the the scarce
4:41 resources then I'll describe the theory
4:43 I developed the trans show that progress
4:47 is indeed possible at least in principle
4:50 I'll turn after that to the description
4:53 of two practical suggestions that emerge
4:55 from this theory analogous to Bill's
4:59 suggestion about the carbon tax mindful
5:02 as I am that Alfred Nobel stipulated
5:04 that prizewinners be judged on the
5:06 benefit they confer to humankind
5:10 not just on the scientific merit of
5:16 their discoveries so when I was in
5:19 graduate school in 1980 I think there
5:21 were at least three distinct forces that
5:24 were undermining confidence about the
5:27 possibility of progress one was a
5:29 growing list of negative side effects
5:32 from unanticipated negative side effects
5:35 from what seemed like positive
5:38 technological discoveries one of the
5:40 most interesting was a discovery by
5:45 sherlyn Rowand and Mario Molina that
5:48 chlorofluorocarbons could be destroying
5:50 the ozone layer a discovery for which
5:53 they received the Prize in Chemistry in
5:57 1995 but there were this was their paper
6:00 on this was in 74 but at this point we
6:04 had also seen problems with DDT the
6:07 damage that was done to human health by
6:10 leaded gasoline even the cancer that was
6:13 caused by cigarettes so it seemed
6:15 plausible that that positive force of
6:18 discovery might not turn out even on its
6:21 own to be so positive because of the
6:22 unexpected negatives
6:26 effects it was also the case in 1980
6:28 that people had lost faith in the
6:32 government to do the very basic jobs
6:35 that we expected of the government the
6:38 throughout the 70s there had been this
6:41 steadily increasing rate of inflation
6:44 we'd had recessions that caused
6:46 unemployment and moved inflation down
6:50 but still to a relatively high level so
6:53 we referred to the new experience is
6:57 that of stagflation but the really
7:00 disturbing fact was that from one
7:02 recession to the next
7:04 the general trend was for a steady
7:07 increase in the underlying rate of
7:13 inflation now finally my undergraduate
7:16 degree was in physics and from economic
7:20 theory the only theory of growth that
7:23 made any sense to a physicist was the
7:26 one developed by Thomas Malthus it
7:28 starts from an invertible
7:31 incontrovertible premise that there's a
7:34 finite quantity of every natural
7:39 resource using only simple arithmetic it
7:41 then follows that there is no
7:46 possibility of sustained progress let me
7:48 use copper as an example of a natural
7:51 resource the total mass of copper on
7:53 earth and the Earth's crust is finite
7:57 think of measuring that in kilograms for
8:00 every person in the earth the total
8:02 number of people you divide kilograms of
8:04 copper by people you get a certain
8:07 amount of copper per person even if we
8:10 don't use copper up because we transform
8:14 it but it still exists there's no way to
8:16 increase the total supply of copper
8:19 available per person that we can use to
8:23 do things like provide electricity so
8:26 there's no possibility of progress if it
8:28 takes more of something like copper per
8:32 person to make progress and if we see a
8:35 pattern of progress it's it's
8:38 very easy to reconcile that with this
8:40 scarcity because it could be a sign that
8:44 we're depleting the untransformed
8:47 stock of copper and Earth's crust we're
8:49 depleting that using more and more per
8:53 person but were soon headed to a of the
8:56 wall we won't be able to keep extracting
8:59 more and more copper and when we hit
9:01 that wall it was equally plausible that
9:04 we might not just slow down but we could
9:12 really face a collapse now I was focused
9:15 primarily on the trend I was looking at
9:18 history and saw this progress over
9:22 10,000 years that seemed hard to justify
9:25 is just a temporary phenomenon that
9:27 would soon come to the end but the
9:29 Malthusian theory has another
9:31 implication not about the trend but what
9:33 about what economists refer to as a
9:36 scale effect what's the effect of having
9:38 more people say at a point in time
9:40 suppose you have twice as many people
9:45 here to the the the conclusion is very
9:48 grim twice as many people means half as
9:51 much copper per person it's just
9:55 arithmetic now Homo sapiens emerged
9:58 during the Pleistocene in an era when
10:01 this Malthusian Theory applied with full
10:04 force and key elements of human nature
10:08 were shaped by this experience the one I
10:10 want to emphasize is the pre-decision
10:13 predisposition we have to group people
10:20 into us and them them is a group that
10:24 poses an existential threat to us they
10:27 might steal our resources there and also
10:29 an opportunity we might be able to steal
10:32 their resources from them and even if
10:34 all we do is share there's less for us
10:42 when there's more of them now Donna
10:44 Strickland who was one of this year's
10:47 prize recipients in physics told me that
10:48 when she was president of the optical
10:51 society she was part of the planning for
10:53 the International Year of light one of
10:55 the goals they emphasized was the
10:59 eradication of light poverty now this is
11:01 a figure that a picture that I've never
11:04 forgotten once since I've saw it many
11:07 more than a decade ago what it shows is
11:10 some students studying under
11:12 streetlights outside the airport in
11:16 Conakry Guinea
11:20 now this conveys just instantly that the
11:22 human consequences of light poverty they
11:27 can't do their homework at home it also
11:30 suggests this obvious fact about
11:33 technology we know how to provide light
11:35 in homes why don't we use that
11:38 technology to provide light in the homes
11:44 of these these students but there's an
11:47 emotion that can be invoked by this
11:50 picture which also relates to this
11:55 Malthusian fear about us in them with
11:57 existing technology if we were to
12:00 provide them the same access to
12:03 electricity that we have this would lead
12:06 to more emissions of carbon and could
12:10 threaten the planet so although it's not
12:14 always voiced there is a realistic
12:16 perception seemingly realistic
12:21 perception that we have to retreat to a
12:24 notion of us in them we can't let them
12:27 have what we have because we'll destroy
12:35 now the problem as I saw it in my
12:37 development of this third theory of the
12:40 economics of ideas was not what
12:44 Malthusian Theory suggested about scarce
12:47 objects but it was what it emitted which
12:49 was this possibility of discovering new
12:53 ideas this had been referred to the
12:55 process of the accumulation of ideas was
12:58 often referred to as technological
13:00 change and just like my son Jeff my
13:03 colleagues recognized that this could be
13:06 the offsetting force but to have a
13:09 theory that could satisfy a physicist I
13:12 needed to dig down into what was the
13:14 meaning of an idea how could we be
13:17 priced be precise about an idea and then
13:20 use the accumulation of ideas as a way
13:25 to understand technological progress now
13:28 one of the key elements of an idea is
13:30 that it represents codified knowledge
13:33 it's knowledge represented in symbols on
13:37 a piece of paper or in bits these days
13:40 because it's codified it can be copied
13:42 and shared and then used by everybody on
13:45 earth and by shared I don't mean the
13:48 kind of sharing where we take turns this
13:50 is the sharing where everybody can use
13:52 something like the Pythagorean theorem
13:55 at the same time if we want for example
13:56 create the
13:58 kinds of right angles that we use in
14:03 construction now the best way I know to
14:06 illustrate a single idea comes from a
14:09 truly remarkable paper that my
14:12 co-recipient bill wrote in the nineteen
14:16 the 1990s his insight was that we could
14:22 measure progress by using not the
14:24 conventional units of a dollars worth of
14:27 purchasing power today or a euros worth
14:29 of purchasing power we could measure
14:32 output per person in the kind of units
14:35 that a physicist would recognize lumen
14:38 hours now think of a lumen is the light
14:43 that's produced by a candle and going
14:45 all the way back to the pleistocene bill
14:48 measured the amount of light that the
14:51 average person could get from an hour of
14:54 work there's no way for me to improve on
14:59 his words from this paper I have
15:01 performed a number of experiments with
15:04 sesame oil and lamps purportedly dating
15:08 from Roman times see the appendix these
15:10 experiments provide evidence that an
15:14 hour's work today will buy three hundred
15:16 and fifty thousand times as much
15:19 illumination as could be bought in early
15:25 Babylonia that's real progress and when
15:28 you look at the pattern of progress most
15:30 of it comes in the very recent period
15:32 the period since the Industrial
15:35 Revolution and since the the Scientific
15:43 Revolution now in this paper there's one
15:45 data point which represents the roughly
15:48 tenfold increase in the amount of light
15:52 that we could extract from a gas flame
15:55 that was the result of burning that
16:00 flame inside what was called a mantle
16:04 now my reaction to that was what in the
16:07 world is a mantle and what's the physics
16:10 behind the process whereby it cokes
16:13 ten times as much light out of a gas
16:18 flame this picture illustrates the
16:20 difference between an open gas flame and
16:25 a mantle and it's hard to see but if you
16:28 look at a physical mantle what you
16:31 notice is that it's a metal cage and
16:34 burning flame inside the cage heats up
16:36 the metal to the point of incandescent
16:39 which means the metal glows with this
16:41 bright white light that you see in the
16:45 picture now the man who discovered this
16:49 welsbach could take that insight and
16:52 then put it to use in street lights all
16:55 over the world long before Edison
16:57 discovered how to make a wire
16:59 incandescent by running electricity
17:01 through it but welsbach could share this
17:04 idea with everybody in the world who had
17:06 access to a gas streetlight because it
17:09 was codified knowledge which could then
17:11 be spread and was copied all throughout
17:18 the world now there's another concept
17:21 that I need to flesh out about related
17:23 to ideas which is what computer
17:25 scientists refer to as combinatorial
17:27 explosion if you have a number of
17:30 elements that you can combine you have
17:32 ten elements and combine them we can
17:34 calculate how many combinations can you
17:36 make if you have 20 we can calculate
17:39 again combinatorial explosion is a
17:42 summary of the fact that the number of
17:45 combinations explodes as you take more
17:49 and more raw different elements that you
17:53 can use to combine them so when for
17:55 example we think about all the possible
17:57 peptides you can make out of amino acids
18:00 the there's just immense just
18:03 unbelievably large set of peptides that
18:06 are the peptides that you can create out
18:10 of 50 amino acid pair or the amino acid
18:14 units and this year's chemistry prize is
18:17 about methods for creating libraries of
18:19 all of these peptides and exploring them
18:23 using new new kind of methods including those
18:24 those
18:27 motivated by evolution when Wells back
18:28 was trying to find the right mix of
18:32 metals for his mantle he tried a number
18:35 of different metals and mixtures and
18:37 again the number of possible mixtures
18:39 explodes as you think of more and more
18:46 metals so an idea is codified knowledge
18:50 about the properties of one from an
18:54 almost infinite set of possibilities and
18:57 when you define an idea that way it's
19:01 immediately obvious that the discovery
19:04 of new ideas from these almost infinite
19:08 sets of possibilities could offset the
19:10 scarce resources implied by the
19:17 Malthusian analysis so to understand the
19:19 difference this makes look again at this
19:24 picture if more light gives these
19:27 students the chance to study to go work
19:31 in science they may discover something
19:34 like the mantle and they may provide a
19:36 benefit to us that could more than
19:40 offset the costs of additional
19:43 mitigation of or avoidance of carbon
19:47 emissions so ideas mean that people are
19:50 no longer our rivals they can be our
19:55 allies and this suggests a very
19:58 important possibility that we can take
20:02 the set of us and expand it we can draw
20:04 a bigger circle include more people
20:10 inside us and treat them with at least
20:13 the indifference or the small
20:16 appreciation that comes from membership
20:24 now this benefit of other people was a
20:28 possibility that bill wrote discovered
20:31 in a model he published in 1969 ken
20:32 arrow another Nobel prize-winning
20:35 economist wrote a model with that same
20:39 property in 1962 I in the 90s after
20:42 working out a theory of growth based on
20:44 ideas and along with other economists
20:47 worked on results showing that
20:49 integrating different regions of the
20:53 world into a unified global system where
20:55 we traded goods but particularly
20:58 importantly we traded ideas this could
21:00 speed up the worldwide rate of growth
21:03 but in a conversation I had with Bill he
21:05 said that he was uncomfortable about
21:07 this result that more people could
21:09 actually beneficial be beneficial
21:11 because it was a theoretical possibility
21:14 but how did we know it was true and when
21:17 I looked at combining different regions
21:19 letting them work with each other i
21:22 skirted this issue because in effect
21:24 what I was saying is we can let more
21:27 people come to this party but they got
21:29 to bring their own resources so there
21:31 wasn't the same effect of more people
21:33 meant less natural resources for each of
21:38 us what was astonishing was that work
21:42 that emerged around this time including
21:44 work by Chad Jones who's here somewhere
21:48 but also Ron Lee from demography Michael
21:51 creamer another young economist work
21:53 showing that from the period of roughly
21:55 the Neolithic Revolution to at least the
21:58 Scientific Revolution the actual
22:02 evolution of humans as a species was
22:06 driven by a process of more discoveries
22:08 leading to the production of more food
22:12 which led to more people who in turn
22:14 developed more and more discoveries and
22:17 so there was this explosive process of
22:20 growth that was in the population that
22:22 was proceeding at a rate that was
22:24 growing exponentially so this is not
22:26 exponential growth this is exponential
22:28 growth in the rate of exponential growth
22:32 which is the best way to characterize
22:34 the behavior of humans
22:36 through about the Industrial Revolution
22:39 and as Michael creamer showed and and as
22:42 was also implicit in analysis by a
22:44 diamond in his book Guns Germs and Steel
22:48 that the evolution of at least the
22:49 carrying capacity of the number of
22:52 people varied across regions that had
22:55 started from initial that differences in
22:57 stocks of people and differences in the
23:00 initial intrinsic carrying capacity so
23:03 some regions could take off in terms of
23:06 technology and then have this more rapid
23:07 growth of people and more growth of
23:11 technology others like Australia after
23:14 the ice of the ice had melted and there
23:16 was no longer a land bridge that
23:18 connected them to other people where
23:20 technological progress was very limited
23:25 but but notice this is an unusual notion
23:26 of progress its progress in carrying
23:29 capacity but it's not progress in
23:32 standards of living because for most of
23:34 this period as we got more and more
23:37 capacity for producing food what it led
23:40 to was more and more people so rapidly
23:41 growing people rapidly growing
23:43 technology and increases in carrying
23:47 capacity but not much improvement in
23:50 standards of living and it's really
23:52 after the Industrial Revolution at about
23:55 the same time as we started to limit our
23:56 own fertility in the growth of the
23:59 population that we see what I would call
24:01 material progress which is growth in
24:04 standards of living growth in how much
24:09 we have like how much light we can have
24:12 now the key point I want to make is that
24:15 there's a third notion of progress what
24:17 I want to call human progress progress
24:20 not in what we have but in who we are
24:23 and it's the kind of progress that comes
24:27 from seeing other people even perhaps
24:29 starting to see other sentient beings
24:32 like the the animals we interact with
24:35 seeing them as part of us treating them
24:37 with at least in difference rather than
24:40 malevolence and treating them as objects
24:44 of predation this type of progress in
24:47 who we are is even more important than the
24:47 the
24:51 Tyrael progress and I know that the
24:55 moral reasoning suggests that we should
24:57 be capable of that kind of moral
25:00 progress human progress even if in some
25:04 sense it works to our disadvantage but
25:07 let's be honest people are people it's a
25:10 lot easier to get people to think of
25:14 others as allies if in fact those others
25:18 actually help them and this is what the
25:21 the period of explosive population
25:24 growth shows on balance it's better to
25:28 have more people they are our allies
25:33 they are part of us now am I being
25:36 Pollyanna ish something I get accused of
25:39 in saying that we're capable of this
25:42 kind of deep human progress I don't
25:45 think so for example we live in cities
25:48 with millions of people most of whom
25:50 were strangers and we're not threatened
25:52 by them and we don't try to attack them
25:54 and this is something that our our
25:57 ancestors in the Pleistocene could never
25:59 have understand could never have
26:03 understood but but even more importantly
26:07 us used to mean the way that men thought
26:10 about other men and we're in the process
26:14 of a fundamental change in our human
26:17 nature and our fundamental improvement
26:18 along the lines of human progress
26:22 because we now recognize that women
26:28 belong as full members of us we're a
26:31 long way from full equality in terms of
26:35 respect and dignity but the production
26:37 is unambiguous we've made some progress
26:41 on this dimension and the direction is
26:44 unambiguous and again this shouldn't
26:47 have required any personal benefit it
26:49 shouldn't required shouldn't have
26:53 required self-interest to to demand this
26:56 kind of human progress but again it
26:59 helps when people understand that the
27:02 discoveries of Marie Curie
27:05 or Donna Strickland or Francis Arnold
27:08 can actually make our lives better and
27:10 that there's a huge advantage in
27:13 doubling the number of people who can
27:15 contribute to the production of the
27:22 ideas from which we all benefit so my my
27:23 time is coming to an end
27:26 let me just hint at to two practical
27:29 policy applications that emerge from
27:33 this economics of ideas one is to think
27:36 of cities as chances for people
27:39 especially in the developing world to
27:41 get the benefits of interaction with
27:45 other people other people are beneficial
27:48 on net in the words of my colleague ed
27:55 Glaeser cities make us smarter now in
27:58 the coming century we will build more
28:02 urban area than we've built we humans
28:04 will build more human area than we've
28:06 built since the Neolithic Revolution
28:08 it'll take only about a hundred years
28:11 and then when the pop as the population
28:15 stabilizes in this century this project
28:17 what my colleague Saul angel calls the
28:20 urbanization project will be done we'll
28:22 have the layouts of the cities that
28:26 people will live with forever and if we
28:29 lay out the city from the beginning if a
28:31 government lays out the city with a plan
28:34 that protects some public space that
28:37 allows the kind of connectivity you get
28:39 when you've got a street that's wide
28:42 enough for a bus to drive down and to
28:43 make sure that nobody's more than about
28:46 a half a kilometre from a bus route that
28:50 they could use home to work if you lay
28:52 out that space in advance it costs
28:55 almost nothing if you try to get it
28:58 after completely disorganized unplanned development
28:59 development
29:02 it's almost infinitely costly to get
29:05 that space I don't think we'll ever see
29:08 anywhere in the future the kind of
29:10 experience that Paris went through under
29:13 Houseman where it was possible to just
29:15 destroy large numbers of buildings
29:19 move people and build broad avenues
29:22 where they didn't exist before so we
29:23 have a chance in the next hundred years
29:26 at very low cost to lay the foundation
29:29 for successful urbanization that can
29:31 help everyone enjoy the benefits of
29:34 learning from others but if we take a
29:37 pass on this that the opportunity will
29:41 be gone and the the entire future will
29:45 be less well will generate less material
29:49 progress for all the people who could so
29:53 much benefit from it the other point I
29:55 need to make is that because the
29:59 population won't grow at after this
30:01 century to get to keep getting more and
30:03 more ideas we need more people to go
30:06 into science and we need to raise the
30:08 productivity in science one of the
30:11 interesting things that I looked at in
30:13 the data about Nobel Prize winners is in
30:17 the 1910 the the 1900s the first decade
30:20 in the second decade of the 20th century
30:24 something like 6% only 6% of the
30:25 recipients were from the United States
30:28 no I think I think even 3% in the first
30:33 20 years then and from 19 the 1930s and
30:36 40s it increases to 15% after World War
30:41 two it approaches more than 50% that
30:42 early development is a sign of
30:45 investments the United States made in a
30:47 university system that started in the
30:51 1860s and it takes time for a commitment
30:54 to science to progress to the point
30:56 where you have people doing nobel prize
31:00 quality science but it's possible and we
31:03 could do now new things that helped spur
31:06 the same kind of both increase in the
31:08 total fraction of the population that is
31:10 engaged in discovery and research and
31:12 science and we can raise the
31:14 productivity of all of those people
31:16 there is evidence right now that
31:19 productivity in science hasn't been has
31:21 been falling as more and people have
31:23 gone into it but this is something that
31:30 finally it is true that we face a very
31:33 serious challenge with addressing global
31:34 warming but it's important to remember
31:37 this is a challenge not of the physics
31:40 not of nature not of scarce resources
31:44 this is a challenge of making a decision
31:47 it's like deciding to stick switch to
31:48 daylight savings
31:51 it's like deciding in Sweden to shift to
31:54 driving on the right it's not hard to do
31:57 it once you decide what's hard is
31:59 deciding and that's what Bill's idea of
32:02 the club is about but even within a
32:05 country we need to find ways to appeal
32:07 to other parts of the human spirit to
32:10 persuade us all to make those kinds of
32:14 decisions so let me close with
32:17 encouragement to young people about what
32:20 a fantastic life can come from science
32:22 and encouragement to young economists at
32:24 a time when the economics profession has
32:26 gotten a lot more competitive it's much
32:28 tougher to start out as a young person
32:31 than it was when I was a graduate
32:35 student or bill was but remember that
32:37 there is an enormous opportunity in
32:39 economics to start to explore these
32:41 broader notions of progress the broader
32:45 side of human nature that includes the
32:46 kind of things that William Faulkner
32:49 talked about in his Nobel speech love
32:52 and honor pity and pride and compassion
32:56 and sacrifice economics will be much
32:58 more relevant when we can take account
32:59 of all those and we'll have a better
33:02 idea about why is it that we can
33:05 sometimes appeal to sacrifice and people
33:08 respond because this is what we'll need
33:11 so let me close by expressing my deep
33:13 appreciation for the system of prizes
33:15 that Alfred Nobel established and that
33:18 the Nobel Foundation has sustained a
33:21 system for celebrating all the types of
33:23 intellectual inquiry that emerged from
33:26 the period we call the Enlightenment and
33:29 remember there's a reason we call it the
33:34 Enlightenment so yes let there be light
33:37 let there be light in daily life
33:40 let there be light - in our spirits and