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ADHD and similar neurodivergent traits are not disabilities but differences in executive function that can be leveraged for success, especially when individuals understand and utilize their unique cognitive wiring and develop effective systems.
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Anything boring is almost impossible to
do. If you can work your life in a way
that you are able to turn the tasks that
are boring into tasks that are fun, then
it'll be easier to be successful.
>> Figy Liberman, certified ADHD coach,
course creator, and author of Own Your
ADHD. A property expert trained by
Samuel Le. She inspires people to turn
challenges into success. Richard Branson
was saying about being dyslexic. He
thinks helped him to be on that managing
the the process, managing the people,
seeing the bigger picture.
>> Every person was born with a set of
tools and those tools you need in order
to activate to get things done in life.
>> What's an executive function?
>> Oh, precore executive function.
Self-awareness, working memory,
emotional self-regulation. But what
about adults who think maybe it was
before ADHD and and were is there
anything we can do that can help?
>> Too many adults believe it as a as a
fact that they're broken. There's
something wrong with them. There's
nothing wrong with you.
>> Tell us more about what you do.
>> Oh my gosh, that's a very broad question.
question.
Okay. Well, thank you for asking me on
and I hope that my answers and insights
today will help you and your audience.
Yes, I'm pretty sure they're going to
help me. I'm quite keen to to have this conversation.
conversation.
>> Okay, so I'm a ADHD coach and I have got
certification and that is really really
important because there are a lot of
ADHD coaches who don't have
certification and so far in England ADHD
coaching is not really regulated. So you
can have a mental health nurse who then
does a bit of online training and
they're an AHD coach. You can have
anyone really can call themselves an
ADHD coach. So I've gone all the way to
get the best coaching credentials for ADHD.
ADHD. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So
>> So
>> so you know people would come to you as
a form of sort of is it mostly adults or
do you work with children as well?
Because I I think of this kind of thing
as something that is part of the
education system or >> interesting.
>> interesting. But
But
>> yeah, but then actually I I get the
impression that you work mostly with adults.
adults.
>> I do. I work mostly with adults. Most
ADHD coaches work with adults. There's
only a handful of ADHD coaches in
England who work with children.
>> Oh, really? Only a handful. It's quite a specialized
specialized
niche and personally I have seen that
one can get far more powerful success
outcome if you work with the parents and
the teachers than if you work with a child.
child.
>> Okay. So it's more about their stimulus
rather than
>> Yes. Because children, for various
reasons, children who have got ADHD in
many areas they're way way ahead of
their peers and in many areas they're
way way behind their peers. So if they
work onetoone with someone like me,
they'll it'll find it very hard to take
that lesson that they've learned with me
and then and then to apply it to other
areas of their life. Yeah.
>> Whereas parents and teachers will be
able to do that more easily.
>> So I even if I get calls from moms, I
say, "Well, I can work with your child,
but I'd rather work with you."
>> And the the youngest age that I've ever
worked with ADHD is about 14. And it
wasn't that it wasn't I didn't really
want to, but they really but the parents
wanted me to. I don't work with a with
an adult under about age 20 21 because
that's it takes that long for the brain
to become ready to get the help.
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>> Right. That's interesting. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> That's that's not what I think most
people would expect. Most people think
it's sort of people go diagnose ADHD at
school and
>> No. No. And also parents I mean I was
the same. Parents fall in this trap of
fix my child. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Doesn't work darling. You have to first
fix yourself to be able to fix your
child. We have to first help ourselves
and see which areas we need tweaking,
addressing, and then that change spills
over to the child. And it's much more
powerful and it's quicker and easier.
>> And I would have thought, well, I don't
know that implies that having ADHD is is wrong.
wrong.
>> You want Well, if if if a parent or they
think it is,
>> they they think it is. Yeah. Fix my child.
child.
>> That's why they come to me.
>> Yeah. But there's nothing wrong. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly.
>> It's just that but but maybe you see
something I talk a lot about a lot about
podcast is the education system and how
we're all conditioned to live a certain
life in a certain way, stay in our lane,
you know, and okay, maybe ADHD,
dyslexia, things like that, they do they
don't fit it so well to the way they
want us to live. But that doesn't mean
>> how did you know that >> valuable?
>> valuable?
>> Yes, they are very very valuable. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So in my book own your ADHD that one
there I talk a lot about the brain's
differences if someone of someone who
has got ADHD or any type of neuro you
know difference and it's mainly the
brain's executive functions that have
been wired differently. That's my angle.
So you can come at it from all different angles.
angles.
>> So hang on. What's an executive function?
function?
>> Okay. Executive functions are a bunch of
tools that you that you have in your
brain and they're found in a tool box in
your brain over here prefrontal cortex
and those tools you need in order to
activate to get things done in life.
>> Every person was born with a set of
tools in their toolbox and some of the
tools I just mentioned but it's more in
my books. How to start things, finish
things, decide with ease, memory,
emotional self-regulation,
time management, organization, plus more.
more.
>> Flexible thinking, that's a big one.
Being self-aware, and we are about age
30 plus when all of those executive
functions are fully formed. M
>> now if someone has ADHD or any neuro
difference it's can be far more than 30
plus if >> right
>> right
>> now that's the should we say that's one
way of saying what they are but I
actually believe something else which is
that if which which comes on to your to
your point before if we have some form
of executive function deficits okay
quotes it's not deficit it's difference Yes.
Yes.
>> Okay. And the different way of thinking
or the or should we say how should I put
it different way of how those tools work
may not fit into the neurotypical society.
society. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So they say that ADHD is a
superpower. Yes. But only if you know
how to use your brain's difference
>> to be able to work within the system.
flexibilize, work out the system, you
know, all that. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Do you think that dyslexia is a similar
similar thing? Because I
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> It is. In my book, and I can't remember
the exact statistic, but it's more it's
about 40% if I I think it's far higher
than that of people who have dyslexia
have ADHD.
>> And there's a few different types of
dyslexia. I've got one type of dyslexia,
the numbers type, disalculia, that
really held me back when I first started
properties. And it took me longer to
learn the numbers. Now I I think I know
them better than most people.
>> So it takes you longer to learn
something new, but then when you get it,
you get it on a very deep level.
>> Yeah. Cuz I I heard I've always been
very interested in dyslexia because
although I was never diagnosed as a
child, I was sort of sent off for
special classes and stuff. So I think
I'm dyslexic, but I've never had the
official word. Yeah.
>> And and I I I remember hearing recently
that there is a sort of even a physical
difference in the way the brain is
>> could be. Yeah. I believe that and it
and it it makes you have a less less
attention to detail which is why
>> not everyone though, >> right?
>> right?
>> Not everyone. It's just a different way
of thinking and understanding and not
being in the box and
>> seeing things that people who don't have
that brain wiring cannot see.
>> Yes. So there is pointing out It's not a
strength. It's an ability.
>> Yeah, it's a strength. And I think and
this is only my thinking I that if one
has ADHD, one probably has some for may
have some form of brain difference in
thinking dyslexia and the other way
round. That's that that's from what I've
seen with my family, myself, my family
and clients, some form of difference. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> The two.
>> Yeah. So I think I I I was sort of I
think it's rather than saying it's a
disability, it's a diffability and it's
a and and that's a difference.
>> I think yeah difference but I think actually
actually
>> because the major you know only maybe
20% of people are dyslexic I think
something like that 15 20
>> it's more
>> is it more
>> I think it's more
>> but um more
>> but it's my opinion
>> the yeah but but in some it's those
skills those abilities that dyslexic
people have are more rare
>> so they're more valuable. Exactly.
>> You know, and the more I think the the
the number of entrepreneurs who are
dyslexic is much higher than the number
of regular people who are dyslexic.
Apparently, this is what Richard Branson
says cuz he's he's dyslexic and >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, there's something about the way the
brain works that makes you good entrepreneurs.
entrepreneurs. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Will make people good. I think Yeah. As
you say, I think ties in with ADHD as well.
well. >> 100%.
>> 100%.
>> Okay. So, how do I know if I have ADHD or
or >> okay,
>> okay,
>> should I find out? Is it you know what's
>> okay? First of all, there's a very good
PDF download if you go on to my website
and if any of those points resonate with
you probably maybe you might have ADHD.
Okay, but you see I'm a ADHD coach and I
don't officially I don't diagnose. Okay.
>> But I know more than I think I know more
than the psychiatrists about ADHD.
>> Definitely because I deal with it every
day. They just go on textbook tick tick
tick tick tick tick tick and I do the
real hands-on real life ADHD stuff. So
how do you know ADHD? That's a good
question. You know I could tell you the
answer. You know there's the three main
core criteria and all that. You can just
look that up yourself. Okay. I talk
about executive functions.
>> Yes. So when I work with clients, mostly
female women, the typical profile is
totally overthinking everything,
massively very creative brain. Anything
you can make simple is made complicated
naturally without even trying. What
another symptom? Overwhelm. Anxiety
massive in women. That is a typical
profile. Plus, all of the other things
are thrown in, organization, time
management. I've had a couple of ladies
tell me, well, they're very, very neat
and tidy, so they don't have ADHD, but
they tell me that they have to have
their space so well ordered, and if they
don't, then they just
>> fall apart, can't do anything.
>> That is a symptom, can be a symptom of
ADHD. It's not OCD. I went to a very
well-known psychologist once, just once
about 25 years ago, and I had my bag
with stuff and I was just leaving. I
couldn't find my keys, busy, you know,
messing around in the bag. He said, and
the guy said to me, you may have OCD,
you know, because you you keep on
looking at me and it didn't sit right
with me and I didn't know why. And then
when I learned about ADHD, I realized
it's not OCD. What was this guy talking
about? It was working memory deficit.
Okay, books all about that. Talking
about what it means is how many things
can you can you keep in the forefront of
your mind at once without having to
write it down. If you have a good
working memory about seven neurotypicals
maybe, don't know. Not me. Not me. Me is
one or two. Often it's zero.
>> And that has a massive impact on all of
your other executive functions. time management
management
>> organiz you can't I mean where to put my
phone I don't know all that stuff right
we live in the now or the not now
>> because we forget about there's
something happening in the future I've
got an appointment right it's massive
>> something that happens to me is if I've
got a lot of things on my to-do list
>> I I know I need to do them all but I
can't decide which one to do first and
then I end up doing none of them
>> oh I love that okay
>> yeah that is a typical that's a typical
executive function deficit, decision
making and prioritizing difficulties.
And that and a big core source of that
is the working memory deficit because we
have to have at least two if not three
pieces of information right here in your
mind for you to be able to say right not
this, yes that. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> If we have a poor working memory, we're
not going to be able to do that. We'll
feel confused, dizzy, anxious. what I do next,
next,
>> all that type of thing. I had that the
whole time with clients. That's classic.
>> Yeah. And I do sometimes get this this
sort of cloud where I just can't do I
can't get anything done that I need to
get done. It's really difficult to describe.
describe.
>> I know what you mean.
>> How would you describe it?
>> It's a block in your brain. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Block. Every client tells me about this
block. Every client. And it's a real
>> It feels Yeah. It's a real thing. It's
not something made up in in your head.
>> It's real. It's that you can't activate. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But then sometimes but then when I do,
>> let's say I get one little job. This is
why sometimes I put really little jobs
on my to-do list like brush your teeth
and then so then because then just the
act of ticking that one thing off kind
of like puts a crack in the wall and I'm
able to get through.
>> Yeah. So there's a reason for that and
I'll and I'll say it in really simple
language. I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm
not a brain neuroscientist, whatever you
call it. I'm just simple hands on the
ground tools. Okay? So, I say things in
very simple ways that anyone can grab,
you know, and can, you know, take that
knowledge and then put it into action.
So, in your brain, there's two small
pouches, one on one on one on each side
of of your brain, nucleus acumbance, one
here, one there, tiny tiny, very small.
And inside those pouches, there's a
hormone called dopamine.
>> Right? Now, whenever you want to start
something, you have to first release
dopamine into your prefrontal cortex by
your forehead, firing up all of your
executive functions, the tools in your
toolbox to get going. So, so, so there's
a secret. How do you actually release
dopamine to flow over here? Well,
sometimes, as you said,
>> the act of ticking something.
>> Yeah. The act of ticking it off makes
you feel, oh, zing. Oh, that's good.
Dopamine flows to your prefrontal
cortex, firing up your brain for action,
and it's there already. So, you find
yourself moving to the next job.
>> But if you don't know about that little trick,
trick,
>> there's a block because that because
it's sealed shut tight in your brain.
You cannot activate. You cannot activate
without tools.
>> Right? So, what are some other tools
that people can use?
>> You might not like this one. You might
think it's weird, but I think you But I
think once I say it, you'll see how it
ties into our whole interview. Talking
loud to yourself. >> Aloud.
>> Aloud. >> Aloud.
>> Aloud.
>> Right now, we've been taught
>> I do talk to myself.
>> I bet you do. You should.
>> I bet. Why you talking to yourself?
Okay. Now, here is where I have every
single client. They as we, you know, go
through the sessions, they tell me, "Oh,
I do that." And I share a tool. Oh, I do that.
that.
>> And I say, "Well, yes, darling, you do
because there's one thing that I want
you to get out of the the coaching is
that you're doing all of this already.
Trust yourself, and I will teach you why
it works." That's all. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, back to what we were saying,
and I totally forgot. What was it?
>> Talking to yourself,
>> right? Thank you. There's a phrase in
English, talking to yourself is the
first sign of madness. Yeah,
>> everyone says that. So, but that is part
of the matrix, >> the
>> the
>> narrow conditioning.
>> You're crazy to talk to yourself loud.
Well, actually, I tell the clients,
you're genius to talk loud to yourself. Okay.
Okay.
>> And the matrix doesn't want geniuses. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly.
Spot on.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, and yeah, maybe things
like dyslexia, people think differently,
they end up becoming entrepreneurs more.
The Matrix wants workers.
>> Yeah. Matrix wants workers. Matrix wants
obedient slaves. So, I've been in the
education system. Well, I was in school,
but my children, my daughter, I've got
five children. My daughter, she's 26
now. So, how many years is that in the
education system all the way about 22
years and now she's got children and
they are in school and I'm seeing the
same thing happen. It doesn't matter
which type of school what private public
ADHD and all these neuro differences
whether it's ASD dyslexia
you can say there's been progress in the
last 20 odd years I don't believe there
has been much if any progress and
there's a reason for this because as you
know whoever the powers be don't want us
to feel special for being different they
want us to feel put down because they
know that we're a danger to the whole society
society
Does that make sense? We think differently.
differently. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we're made to feel a bit less than.
>> A lot less than. We've got a disability.
ADHD is a disability. ASD is a
disability or ASD is what's the word?
Autism spectrum. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. All of that type of thing is a
disability. So, we're made to feel less
than. So therefore we may not feel so
confident or even think we can do what
we need to do in life.
>> You know it makes a calling.
>> What we want to do
the way we want is is not normal.
>> Exactly. So when I talk to parents I
only say this if they ask me but
basically they need to homeschool their
kids if they want their children who
have ADHD to be successful in life. Now,
when I was younger, I used to tell
parents, well, if you want your child to
come out of school with their
self-esteem as much intact, if you can
call that, as possible, it may be a good
idea to get them assessed for ADHD and
get them on the meds. Because
unfortunately, that is one important way
for some people, not everyone, okay?
Right. to get through schooling
>> because the schools do not many schools
>> and this is case by case
>> is getting through schooling. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly.
Exactly. So I work with each client case
by case but if they want their child to
get through school I'm not here to say
don't get through school. I'm here to
plant some seeds but basically help them
the way that they want to be helped. So,
I just drop my ideas here and there. But
my some some of my children were on meds
to help them get through school. And now
that I know what I know, would I do it
differently? Probably if I would have
known then what I know now, I probably
would have taken them out of school. But
at the time that I did the best actions
with the understanding that I had then.
>> So, we always have to be kind to
ourselves. But with my son, he's now 13,
the youngest child, I've got far more
time for him, far more head space, and
I've actually half pulled him out of
school. He's on a flexi schooling idea,
which is a bit of a loophole. It's not a
statement. Statement is I think it's
called AHCP now nowadays when when you
get a child extra hours of one-to-one
help and it's paid by the council.
>> Okay. He couldn't get that because he's
very high functioning. He's couldn't get
that. But we've got something else which
I think is a loophole. Fractive
schooling is when you have with the
school plan where the parent and the
school sort of teaches the child. So, so
he's in school from 9 till 12. That's
what works for him. Then he's home for
the whole day and I he does maths,
English, he he's got all sorts of
mentors and tutors that teach him the
things that he wants to learn. He's on
his bike. He goes here, he goes there,
and weekly I send an email to the Senko
with what he's done. So, it's all
tracked. That's a really really good way
of teaching cuz he's cuz he's in school
still, so he's got friends,
>> but yeah, he's out of school. Yeah,
because when I was going through school,
I like I said, I was sort of sent off to
some special classes because it was in
certain areas
>> and and my parents did also pay for some
extra tuition and stuff, but it was
always to bring me up in the things I was
was
>> behind in Exactly.
>> It was never to make me excellent in the
things I was good at.
>> That's the system. And it's still the
same. It hasn't changed a drop. I don't
think it's And and I think it will never
change. And no one's ever done anything
amazing because they were average at everything.
everything.
>> Everything amazing has ever been has
been done by someone who was excellent
at something. >> True.
>> True.
>> Even if they were terrible at other things.
things. >> True.
>> True.
>> So I think that there needs to be a
change in you know to to to make people
excellent and even even there was this
you know they wanted to get rid of
grammar schools and and schools of you
know because they want to bring everyone
down to the same level. Do you know what
I mean? They the the the
>> they want to make people just you know s
the end in a box. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So I tell the parents and again I tell
each parent what they have to heal if
you understand that it's that you won't
change the system. Stop trying to fight
the teachers and the senko and the head
teacher just go and do what you have to
do. But that's scary. I mean I was
terrified when I actually said right I'm
going to pull my son out of school. I
was beyond scared.
>> He was actually suicidal. I know he was
actually he said that he wants to like
die. He was that bad. He he had just
gone on to high school. I knew that high
school would not be right for him and I
did mention to him maybe I should
homeschool you. He says no mom let me
try out. He didn't want to feel
different. Two months in he was not
happy. And it's not the school's fault
cuz they're really good. They were
trying their best. It's the fact that he
doesn't fit in the box. He's not
teachable. Right? Because in school they
teach auditory yak yak yak yak yak and
you sit for three hours.
>> Oh my gosh that is impossible. So I was
really scared and it was at the same
time that I that I also started
properties. So I was at my desk doing my
you know right move research and he was
next to me on his desk doing his stuff
and his you know desktop and it was
really hard. It was really, really,
really hard and it took me about three
months till I found all the tutors and
all the teachers and got everything
sorted out. But the Senko was brilliant.
I was so amazed. He said, "Yep, no
problem." Yeah. Well, yeah. So, what's
the seno?
>> Senko is special education needs
coordinator. Every school has one,
>> right? Okay.
>> So, you just have to do what you have to do.
do.
>> Feel for for kids. What about people
like me?
>> And he's not doing really well. He's
flying. think he's like brilliant.
>> But what about adults? People like
people who are listening to the podcast
who think
>> maybe again maybe they had a hard time
at school, maybe it was before
>> ADHD and and things were recognized as
much. Is there anything What should we
do now? Should we just
>> Is is there anything we can do that can
help us?
>> I think first of all, you need to know
that you're not broken. There's nothing
in you that needs to be fixed. You are
perfect. You're whole and you're just
right. you're good enough the way you
are and we have to sit with that and we
have to internalize that and that takes
time. So the change happens from inside
you then it will spill it spill over to
outside to your actions. So, we just
have to sit with that and because too
many adults have they they they just
believe it as a as a fact by now that
they're broken. There's something wrong
with them. There's nothing wrong with
you. Nothing wrong with your brain.
Nothing wrong with how you think.
Nothing wrong with the fact that you've
got mess in your house that you can't
that that you can't even think of having
any anyone over. Nothing wrong with the
fact that you messed up how many jobs
and you and you got fired. those jobs
probably were not the right fit for the
for you, you know, they were just not
not not the right fit cuz they didn't
fit with how your brain works.
>> So yeah, I mean I did very badly at
school. Well, not very badly. I didn't
just didn't do particularly well below
average with sort of GCSEs. That was
completely demoralizing,
>> but in my family to not go on and do A
levels would be
>> would be terrible. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> If I could go back now, I would leave
school at 16 and become a joiner or
something like that.
>> That's right. Hands-on job. Hands on
your hands.
>> Your hands on then get into property investing.
investing.
>> Exactly. ADHDers are really good with
their hands.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Doing doers.
>> I was always much better in those
subjects like art and craft.
>> So yeah, I was good at maths though. But
I wasn't I was good at things where you
need to figure something out but not so
good at things where you need to
remember type of stuff. So I was never
good at history.
>> Well, that is the working memory deficit
coming through. But probably if let's
say maths, history, whatever subject, if
it had real life meaning to you,
>> probably you would just understand it
very easily. It's when it's this theory
when your brain cannot hook it onto a
real life 3D situation.
>> It's too vague and the brain cannot
>> internalize that. So, so whilst in some
ways I feel like the education system
tried to teach me I was stupid, I never
fully believed it. And now I've, you
know, I gone the other way.
>> But it took me a long time.
>> I know.
>> It's only really the last few years that
I've thought actually the way I think I
I think different to other people. And
that's what this podcast is all about.
It's why I started the podcast. That's
why I named it self-employed. It's kind
of to tie in with that different mindset
>> that we have. And I now strongly believe
that it is the right mindset. It it
works. So, where was I going with that?
Yeah. Where was I going with that?
>> Working memory deficit. There we go.
Nice laugh. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> It's fine. It's good.
>> Yeah. So, that's one of the things you
mentioned as the critical
>> prefrontal cortex.
>> Yeah. And
>> executive functions.
>> Executive functions. At the at the start
of the podcast, you you listed off a
bunch of things and in my head, I didn't
want to interrupt you, but in my head, I
was sticking them. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Yeah, I got that. Can we go maybe we
could go through those?
>> Let me find it in my book. I've got an
overview. Here we are. Page 35. So, so
we've got here 11 executive functions.
>> There are three core executive functions
and those three core are the central
pivot and then all of the other
executive functions work around them.
So, if those three core ones are working
well, all of the others work well. And
if those three one of them or all are
not working well on that day, then all
of the others are not going to work
well. So it's like saying you've got a
think of your car and your car has all
those all those dials and buttons,
dashboard, all you know stuff there. If
any of the very important things and I'm
not very car friendly, but you
>> you got like the electrical system,
hydraulic system, the engine.
>> Thank you. Okay. So if anything is not
Yeah. So, so if anything is not working
up to par, the car won't work well and
it might not work at all.
>> Yeah, they will interrupt
>> basically. Yeah, they they all work with
each other.
>> So, let's go through those. Do it one by
one and then I'll
>> we will
>> Yeah, I'll tell you if I have any
experience of it.
>> Okay. So, the first one is self-awareness,
self-awareness,
understanding yourself. Now that is if
we have any type of neuro difference
this shows itself up as okay as one's
mind voice being quiet. So let me just
go back one step. Everyone has a mind
voice that guides you through life. If
we have ADHD or any type of neuro
difference the mind voice will be quiet
when you need it the most or it will be
set far too loud. inner critic imposter
syndrome. Okay. I've spoken to many many
clients and they tell me what they tell
themselves when they've made a small
mistake and it's shocking how they talk
to themselves. So part of this is
nurture part of it is nature.
>> Yeah. And and something that I just
thought of we all say stupid things
sometimes but I can there are certain
things that I've conversations I've had
where I've said something really stupid.
Not necessarily offensive or anything,
but just things that I for whatever
reason I now wish I hadn't said. Those
things haunt me. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Even from 20, 30 years ago. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> That I still remember them on a regular
basis like a >> like
>> like
PTSD or something.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I work with the
clients. I'm a coach. I'm not so so I
don't really give tools like a what's
the word? Therapist gives. Okay. I give
just hands on the ground tools to help
you live your life from now onwards
moving forwards. Okay, therapy takes you
from the past, help you understand how
the past got you to the present moment.
However, many many people tell me that
what I share with them is a little quite
a lot like therapy and psychotherapy.
I've like never learned that before, but
I've done so much work on trying to
understand myself and helping myself
that I naturally give that over to them.
So your idea you what you said so part
of it is actually that someone who has
ADHD the brain is wired a little bit
more to the negative very black and
white and that's and that's a good thing
actually which I'll soon tell you why if
I hopefully I'm going to remember that I
have to tell you why but the downside is
that we tend to be very self-critical so
the mind voice is set too loud
>> okay so it's work that you have to learn
to focus more on what you're doing right
and get that voice loud and focus more
and praise yourself more on what you're
doing right and clients find that can
find that difficult because it's not
natural so why no woman I said about the
black and white thinking yeah
>> so we tend to have very high standards
that's often why we get things done to a
much higher level but the downside of
that is that we can can tend to be
Yeah. Can tend to be very very critical
of ourselves if we don't reach if we
don't do something to that high standard
that we want it to be done. >> Perfectionism,
>> Perfectionism, >> right?
>> right?
>> Get it?
>> Yeah. Yes. And they say that perfection
No. What is it? Don't let good be the
>> Well, I say okay. I say that you can
want to do things perfectly, but don't
expect it to be done perfectly.
>> Yeah. Well, was it don't let en
perfection be the enemy of good or
>> something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I
get what you mean. So for this one, for
the self awareness executive function,
the main the main skill is as we said,
talk loud to yourself. Praise yourself.
Talk to yourself in the mirror. You did
really well today. Oh wow. Laugh at
life. Laugh at yourself.
>> Now, now I'm just saying it, but it's
hard. It's funny, you know, you these
are things that I never used to do and I
did used to feel very negative and very
self-conscious about myself and think of
my my my self-image was quite negative
as a child going through school.
>> But there are things that I've
definitely kind of taught myself over
the years without what you're saying >> probably
>> probably
because as you got older, your brain's
executive functions developed naturally.
You know, it took time for them to actually
actually >> develop.
>> develop. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And they just naturally improved. That's
>> So, what was the next one?
>> Okay. The next one. Oh my gosh. My my
most favorite one. Working memory.
>> Yes. We we've already mentioned this one.
one.
>> Yes. Imagine like you're standing on a bridge.
bridge. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And the bridge is very firm. And the
bridge is like the current time frame
right now. Then you then you look to the
right of the bridge and you see, oh,
that's like the past. The left is like
the future. If that bridge is firm,
you'll feel confident as you walk over
it. Calm, confident, fine, know where
you're going, know where you've come
from, all that. If it's a bit shaky, if
it's a rope bridge and it's windy,
you'll be terrified, anxious, dizzy.
You're like be really scared. So if
someone has a poor working memory and
and I'll soon say what it is more then
they may likely feel dizzy, terrified,
anxious, depressed and what do you think
happens? They go to their GP and what
does the GP do? They chuck pills at
them. Okay, anxiety pills, depression
pills. And every client, every client
has told me, "Yeah, they help a bit. Not
really. They help a bit." And many of
them have told the doctor it didn't
really help and they are made to take
them more. They said no take them. Maybe
there's some funding going on here. I
think I think that the doctors are being
maybe funded to hand over these pills to
their patients.
>> Yeah, I I think that some stuff like
that definitely goes on in America the
way they
>> I think it's h it's happening here.
People don't realize it's happening
here. And every single one of those
clients, women mainly, who say their
symptoms to the doctor, they're never
asked, "Oh, maybe it's maybe it's ADHD."
And it's all executive function deficit.
Maybe it's ADHD.
>> I think the problem in this country with
the previous episode was with Dr. Minho,
so we talked a lot about the NHS, but I
think because GPS are so overworked.
>> Yeah, I feel sorry for them, you know, they
they
>> they often just want to prescribe something
something
>> and get you out.
>> Get you out. So they move to the next
patient and that's all they sometimes
all they can do.
>> Yeah, it's true. It's true. Yeah. Yeah.
It's just a system. It's again it's the
system. Here we go. System. So that So
it's how many items of information can
you recall at once?
>> So I had it a lot with clients myself
with talking to someone and I was going
to say something and I forgot like
and I didn't do. So, the trick here is
to get some rescue phrases in your
pocket and just pull them out,
>> right? Well, so so give me an example of
a rescue phrase.
>> Um, well, first of all, don't be ashamed
that you can't remember what what what
you're going to say. It's normal. Okay.
Accept yourself. Laugh at yourself
because you're perfect. You're whole.
You're just right the way you are. And
just say something like, "Oh, I'm sorry.
I forgot I was going to say or what did
you like?" just I can't think of a
specific example
>> but when I when I work with clients we
go through that we can spend the whole
session just on that. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> So working memory that's huge. Now
people look at me and they say oh fake
is so organized. She's got five
children. She's got two careers. She's a
superwoman. I'm not because my brain is
like jelly. And the only well is it is
jelly if you know what I mean. But but
my sort of thinking process. Okay. And
the thing that holds it up is the
systems that I use. So I always say that
you cannot change your executive
function level. Okay? But you can change
the way that it works through systems,
scaffolding. Think of a house that's
just, you know, falling down. So you so
you get poles, prop it up. Yeah. Okay.
So I live my life by tools
>> and I know that if I don't use use any
of those tools, I'm gone. So back to the
lady who said that she's very organized.
She had not got ADHD because she's so
tidy and neat and or or she might think
that she has OCD or she or you know and
I say well no I don't know if you have
OCD. Maybe you do, but I don't know if
you have, but she said that if that if
things aren't messy, she can't think
straight. That may be a sign of working
memory deficit because the one one of
the best ways to help you think is to
have a tidy environment. Now, tidy
doesn't mean tidy. It means only owning
what you need.
>> Yeah. So, in my in my past life, I was a
I was a home organizer and I would go to
the clients and think, "Oh, she's tidy.
What's the problem here?" Well, I would
open the cupboards and I say, "Yeah,
there is a problem here." Cuz there were
no systems. Okay. So, I don't see tidy.
>> Also, do you think there's a difference
between being clear and being tidy? Cuz
something can look very tidy, but then
you don't know where you put anything.
>> Well, if it's clear,
>> functional. if it's clear where you put
everything. As you said, you have to
have a home for everything. And I always
say that your home can be as messy as
you want. I don't want a home. I don't
think a home or office should be neat
and tidy the whole time. It's fine to be
messy as long as every item has a home
that you can put the item away to. Yeah,
I've been definitely I've been
renovating a well staging stuff,
renovating a house to put as a service
accommodation recently. And I've been
working with a friend of mine who's a
builder and I'm constantly losing tools
and he's always laughing at me when I
say, "Where did I put the drill? Where
did I put the knife?"
>> Yeah, that's working memory deficit. By
the way, we didn't once talk about
focus, you know.
>> Well, we're still going through the
list, aren't we?
>> I know we are. But people think about
ADHD as focus. You can't focus. I
haven't said the word focus yet
>> on purpose because ADHD has been
misnamed and misdiagnosed and
mislevered. It's not about attention
deficit hyperactivity disorder. It
should be called emotional which is now
the next part. Emotional self regulation
difference. So what's that? Emotional E.
>> Oh, what is it? Working memory. I can't
remember. ES MD maybe. Yeah,
Yeah,
>> it's about having very intense emotional
reactions, positive and negative. We are
if we have ADHD or any neuro difference,
we are wired differently. We are wired
that we can actually potentially live
life more richer, more fuller because we
can feel things deeper. Okay. Now the
downside is we can feel things much more
intensely as breath deeper. So you have
to learn Yeah. You have to learn how to
manage your emotions. And that's not
taught in school, is it? >> No.
>> No.
>> So we're very intense. When we when we
have a good idea, we're like, "Woo!" And
then when we're got a bad day, we're like,
like,
>> "Yeah, that's definitely I think that resonates."
resonates."
>> Now, a big source of that is working
memory deficit. Because if we have a
working memory deficit, we also have
other types of memory deficits like
forgetting things that happened recently
or long ago, we find it hard to make to
make what's the right word? Connections
between the similar things that happen,
patterns. So if we're in a bad mood
today because of something that
happened, we in that moment we can very
easily forget well it's happened last
week and it was fine and it happened
last month and it was fine. Now it's
it's like it's happened and that's it.
The whole world has ended. So we feel
the down more intently and then when
we're in a good space we think we'll be
like this forever and we forget well
after and up comes the down darling you
know. So it's the same idea working
memory deficit comes in with emotional
self-regulation works together. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> And self-awareness. If in that moment
when we when we have that down moment if
if one can talk loud to yourself and say
hold on a minute it'll be it'll it'll be
fine. Let's do this. Let's think of that
then everything will start to work
better. But the secret is how do you
activate that voice in that moment?
That's that's the hard one.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That definitely resonates
with me. I definitely feel like I have
those highs and lows. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> In terms of motivation and and you know
because when I'm motivated I'm really
motivated. When I'm not motivated I'm
really unmotivated. Like like you said
it's that it's almost like a brick wall.
There's a
>> brick wall
>> block in your head. It is a physical block.
block.
>> So what's the next thing on the list?
>> Oh, there's loads. Okay. So So those are
the three core executive functions.
Self-awareness, working memory,
emotional self-regulation. Okay.
Okay.
>> Okay. Then you've got all of the others.
Motivation. You tell me about how how
how does that show itself up in your life?
life?
>> It comes and goes.
>> Comes and goes.
>> Been very Yes. And sometimes I'm very
motivated and other times I'm very unmotivated.
unmotivated.
>> Is there a pattern?
>> Not that I'm aware of.
>> There usually is. If you have any type
of neuro difference, let's call it ADHD
for our purposes. You really need to
understand that your brain is wired up
for interest.
>> Anything that's interesting, your brain
will do. If it's boring, if it's in some
way overwhelming, if you can't work it
out, your brain cannot do it. And your
brain shuts down, can't function. And
it's people tell me and and I feel this
if you don't have the right tools to
help you, you feel like you're dying.
You feel physically can feel can feel
physically ill. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And you can't activate. you can't get
started or maybe you you you know could
start but then suddenly you stop or why
do they push things off procrastination
that's that is um another one of the 11
executive functions. I'm definitely
procrastin I definitely >> well
>> well >> procrastination
>> procrastination
>> yeah in periods like it's weird when I
have to do things like I've been
recently well even no even now the last
few months I've been very very busy with
some property stuff back to back three
renovations and I just couldn't stop
>> but but when I'm when the pressure is
off and my time is my own it's up to me
to kind of find the next deal or
whatever I can waste days
>> okay so here's the thing two things.
First of all, your brain is fired up to
do interesting tasks. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Anything that's boring, let's say that
last 5% of the reverb that you can't
finish, it's boring.
>> That is always the hardest.
>> It's boring. It's it is the hardest.
Tidying up the tools at at the end of
the day, it's boring.
>> Okay? Anything boring is almost
impossible to do. Now I bang on about
this but people don't understand it well
enough that if you can work your life in
a way that you are able to turn the
tasks that are boring into tasks that
are fun interesting and if you can try
to do your best to only do the fun
interesting things that you then it'll
be easier to be successful. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah. I mean, in some ways, I feel like
doing the reverbs is not something I'm
good at. I'm not Well, I used to be good
with my hands, but now when it's come to
property, I'm not so good at doing the
painting and things. I'm actually much
better at the numbers.
>> Okay. How come?
>> What changed?
>> I don't know.
>> Did it get boring?
>> Did it get boring?
>> I suppose. Yeah.
>> There you go.
>> Yeah, I suppose you're right.
>> Hit nail on.
>> That was a rhetorical question, wasn't it?
it?
>> It was boring. Boring.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Plus, one minute. What did
you say that I had a thought about? You
said, sorry, this this is an ADHD
moment, by the way. You said about that
you can't do do the tasks.
>> It can take days. I can procrastinate
for days when there's not Yes.
>> When I don't put that pressure on myself.
myself.
>> Yes. Right. Because you need outside
deadlines to get you going. You find if
one has ADHD, one may find it hard to
get that get up and go going.
>> Okay. as we talked about earlier on,
okay, dopamine going. So, we need
outside sources to get the dopamine flowing,
flowing,
>> okay? Which is an outside deadline,
>> someone needs you or there's a job that
someone needs you to do, but if you need
to do it, it's not the same motivation.
So, we always have to find a way to get
the dopamine released from your nuclear
circumbent. And a big way is is to have
outside deadlines. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, many people put things off and they
don't know why. And then what they do is
they kill themselves because I'm
terrible. Why can't I do it on time? My
friends can do can do this on time. And
that's the worst thing to do. That kills
all of your push drive. That is the
worst thing to to to talk badly about
yourself. Again, being self-aware. You
have to talk nicely, lovingly to
yourself. And if we have ADHD, boring
tasks are boring. And don't expect to
ever do them on time unless you have
tools. In my home, if you would enter my
home, you would see it's tidy. It's
fine. I'm functioning. I cook for the
family. I do things at the last minute
on purpose.
>> Yeah. But if there's no last minute
because there's no deadline then exactly
>> but isn't this kind of for one of a
better word normal not just ADHD don't
normal people find boring things more
difficult to do
>> okay so they could they yeah but they
may find it there's a they can find a
way around it
>> if we have ADHD if we if we if we don't
have tools to help us cannot do it we
cannot cannot do it
>> it's really it's really that wrong. We
cannot do it
>> without tools to help you. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So that is a difference
>> cuz I I I had a lot of work to do on the
podcast making lots of clips and stuff
and this is early days when I was
editing it myself.
>> Oh yeah.
>> And I went away on a sort of working
holiday. Thought a change of scene would
help and I just couldn't do anything.
>> Was too boring. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Dead boring. So So something that's so
boring just don't do. Now that's not
being lazy. That's being clever. That's
being wise
>> because we only have a finite amount of
time in a day to do things. So rather
get done the tasks that you love doing,
the tasks that you're very good at, and
the tasks that you hate doing that are
boring. Probably many people could do
that task for you. So get it out the way now.
now.
>> Well, and also people like when I
stopped editing the podcast myself and
outsourced it, they do a much better job
than I ever did. Thank you. They'll be
the first people to watch this.
>> There you go. Yeah. Yeah, the same idea.
Yeah. Yeah. There you go. So, so we're
trying to be good at everything. Again,
that that is the trap.
>> ADHD trap is trying to be good at
everything. Perfectionism. You cannot be
good at everything. You have to choose
what you want to
>> focus on and choose what you're not
going to focus on. And that's not lazy. >> No.
>> No.
>> Most of my clients tell me they're lazy
and I want to cry by now.
>> And I do think they're not lazy.
>> Go back to what Richard Branson was
saying about being dyslexic. he thinks
helps him to be
>> on managing the the process, managing
the people, seeing the bigger picture,
knowing what this person does, how that
will affect what this person does rather
than having that sort of detailed view.
It's a it's a wider view and that's what help.
help.
Yes, some people have that wider view
naturally. Some have the more detailed
view naturally even though they have
ADHD. It's both, right?
>> Some a very small number of people have
both. They have the wider view and they
have the detailed view and that is I
think that's I've I've seen that only a
few times and that's genius that like
beyond genius and that if if they don't
know how
>> Elon Musk is probably
>> probably if they don't know how to use
that in the right way it can torment
them because both are fighting against
each other. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> The next one is flexible thinking. Now
let me share with you most of my clients
have this as a massive strength creative
brain. Okay. The way that we do things
is not in a linear neurotypical fashion.
We do things differently. So my books
they're like nice and thick 200page each
book. They're very well thought out
written. I did it way before AI. This
first one, own your ADHD is all about
ADHD, the stuff that we don't talk about
that you know that that I'm you know,
you know, sharing with you. Then I have
part one and part two, banish your
overwhelm. First, you have to learn how
to chuck out all your extra stuff, the
clutter. Then you have to learn how to
make methods, systems of what you have
left. I said that. Why did I say that?
Yes. Right. So if you would, you know,
read read my books, they're clear, well
thought out. But you don't know that the
way that I got to this stage was not
clear and not well thought out. It was
just sort of jumping from, you know,
point to point. Then I made it all flow.
That's how the ADHD brain works. So in
school, we learned about when you write
an essay, you do the intro, the middle,
the end. Forget about all that.
>> Yeah, I forget. You just start wherever
and you end wherever and then it will
all work out together. That's how the
ADHD brain works. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> It works by joining dots together with lines.
lines. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And somehow it looks organized. So the
outcome may look the same better if I
think than someone who is, you know, neurotypical
neurotypical
>> because they do things 1 2 3 4 linear
fashion. We do things differently. So
ADHDers, women very much so. We're overthinkers,
overthinkers,
>> creative thinkers. So if I ask a lady to
a client to do a simple task, she'll ask
me a bunch of, you know, questions about
that task. I say, "Darling, just do
that." And there's all these thoughts
going on in the brain, connections,
creative brain. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's a strength. that in school
the teachers say be quiet, don't ask questions,
questions, >> right?
>> right?
>> Just get on with
>> get on with it. What? And but that's
that is
>> everything makes you think about
something else.
>> Exactly. But that is the the person's
genius coming out the overthinking or
you know creative connections. Yes. But
if they don't
>> which creative connections is another
way of saying distraction. >> True.
>> True.
>> Or or that's what the teacher would say.
>> Exactly. Focus. Yeah. Exactly. So for
far too long people have, you know,
internalized that they're stupid or
they're overthinking or they're call it
what you like, but it's genius, creative
genius. And part of the ADHD success is
learning how to simplify your life
because we will naturally over
complicate things. making dinner, doing
the laundry,
anything simple, you have to learn
skills to learn how to simplify it and
how to systemize it because we because
we have that natural genius that we over
complicate it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, yeah, you say you work with with
clients. I I'm kind of interested in in
working with you because I definitely
>> think these things affect me. And so,
what does that look like? and what's the
point what would be the benefit for me?
>> Okay, so it looks like well here in the
UK there is funding if someone has ADHD
or any type of neuro difference,
dyslexia, ASD etc. There may be funding
for them to get coaching >> right
>> right
>> and you may be able to get it without
without having a diagnosis
>> and you are a coach. I'm an ADHD coach
and I can help I help a lot of people
get funding. In the last 9 months, I've
helped 200 people get funding. How it
works is you get the funding from access
to work. It's part of the DWP. So, they
want they help people get funding to
help them start a job, start a business,
stay in work, any type of work related.
As someone who's self employed,
>> in their language, self-employed,
>> you can get funding.
>> Yeah, you can get funding. And it's not
easy to get the funding. There's a
15-month waiting list, waiting time.
However, I'm the expert in helping
people and I have got ADHD. So, my brain
always thinks of the endless
possibilities and ways around things and
there are ways to help you,
>> right? So what is the funding for the
>> it's to help the person who has got ADHD
succeed at work. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. So they give a few different types
of funding. Specialist equipment, ADHD coaching.
coaching.
They can give you a PA who will do the
work for you that you find impossible to
do because of your ADHD. So they'll give
you a pot of money and then you can hire
your own PA staff,
>> right? So you can hire a virtual assistant
assistant
>> there's way there's sort of there's ways
that you there's things that you have to
do criteria etc but it's not easy to get
the funding and if a person tries alone
usually they don't get much if at all
however I know the system and I that's
that is the bulk of my work getting
funding for the clients
>> so I do the lot I do everything I get on
the phone for them I talk for them
because I know waste I know how to speak
to the the to the people who you know
have to decide. Yeah, that's what I do.
So if anyone thinks they have ADHD or
ASD or dyslexia or anything like that,
there is help out there. And people
don't get it when I say you may not you
you you may be able to get it even if
you don't have a diagnosis. they don't
get it cuz they're so conditioned with the
the
>> matrix that you know even if you're
finding it hard talk to me and I'll I'll
probably be able to tell you whether you
can get the funding or not. And I've
turned people down. I've said you know
I'm very honest and clear
>> and there's and there's a stigma. It's
like some people they don't they don't
want to be labeled as ADHD
or whatever.
>> I don't care. Yeah. I don't care if I'm
called ADHD or whatever. If I can get
funding for it and help,
>> who cares? So we have to really learn to
come out of the box, look in to the box,
go back in whenever we want to and then
come out again. That that's what I see.
Make sense? >> No.
>> No.
>> So the box the box is the matrix
conditioning. I have a disability. It's
ADHD. I don't think it's at all any form
of disabling,
>> but if it helps me get funding, then
I'll say I have ADHD for a while to get
the funding. Yeah. Well, but I would
prefer to frame it as like yes, it's not
a disability, it's a different ability,
a diffability.
>> Correct. But correct. But if I if if if
I would like the funding, I need to call
it what they want me to call it so that
I get the money. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And then,
>> yeah, I have no problem with calling it
what they want to call it. It is what
they want to call it.
>> Exactly. It's just I don't People don't
like that.
>> But you I just want to remove the stigma.
stigma.
>> It's not a disability. It's a
disability. There's nothing wrong with
me. There's nothing special about me. I
have the potential to have extraordinary abilities.
abilities.
>> Exactly. However, people many people
don't even want the funding cuz they
they they don't want to.
>> Yeah. When I said to my dad that I'm
having a chat with you and I
>> cuz I think I might have ADHD,
>> he was like, "Oh, no. You don't you
don't have ADHD." It was like he he
would be ashamed to have a son with ADHD,
ADHD,
>> which I don't think
>> is how it should be. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly.
>> I don't feel I wouldn't feel ashamed. If
if I got a diagnosis, I I would wear it
with pride. like you know same with a
dyslexia. I've never been diagnosed with
dyslexia, but I would wear it with pride
if I if I did and I would like to. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Because, you know,
>> Yeah. I think it can help to get actual
assess, you know, to to get the
diagnosis because then
>> you know for sure
>> and it's sort of like a closure if you
know what I mean.
>> It it can help. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> For that way of thinking because then
you think, yeah, maybe I have, maybe I
don't have, you know.
>> Yeah. And it creates that it creates
more of a procrastination because you
going back and forth. At least then you
know, okay, this is so these are these
are the tools I need to use.
>> Exactly. Exactly.
>> Yeah. You know, I uh when I used to make
uh videos, we did a music video for a
band and the drummer had been diagnosed
with ADHD. They were a young kid kid band.
band. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But he was such an amazing drummer for
his age.
>> Wow. Genius. talented
>> and yeah he was someone who was lucky
enough that
>> he had this talent that had been recognized
recognized
>> and nurtured. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So yeah it's you know that's this is
yeah what I think is wrong with with the
with the system
>> and it won't change as far as I'm
concerned. I don't think it will change.
So we have to change ourselves. We we
have to make the change within ourselves
and within our families and don't start
to expect anyone or anything to change.
Make sense?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, but things have
changed, don't you think?
>> Not really because I I don't know. I
work a lot with clients who are who have
jobs, they're, you know, employed, and I haven't heard one good story of a client
haven't heard one good story of a client who told their co-workers or their boss
who told their co-workers or their boss that they have ADHD and they want
that they have ADHD and they want support. I haven't I haven't really seen
support. I haven't I haven't really seen it.
it. >> Right. Okay.
>> Right. Okay. >> Service in schools as well. Maybe a
>> Service in schools as well. Maybe a little bit, but I don't know. I don't
little bit, but I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
know. I don't know. >> But I mean, when I was at school, I
>> But I mean, when I was at school, I never heard the word agent. Yeah, I
never heard the word agent. Yeah, I think
think >> now it's I don't know there's still a
>> now it's I don't know there's still a long way to go and I think we need to
long way to go and I think we need to just parents have to become much more
just parents have to become much more informed and really advocate for their
informed and really advocate for their child. It's just much harder harder
child. It's just much harder harder work.
work. >> It's very hard. It's it's still hard. I
>> It's very hard. It's it's still hard. I don't know if that bit will change.
don't know if that bit will change. >> Parents have to really learn the skills
>> Parents have to really learn the skills so that they can empower their children
so that they can empower their children no matter what.
no matter what. >> Okay. Well, that's been amazing, FA.
>> Okay. Well, that's been amazing, FA. It's been so good to talk to you. I
It's been so good to talk to you. I definitely want to explore this a little
definitely want to explore this a little bit further and read some of your books.
bit further and read some of your books. So if people want to get hold of you,
So if people want to get hold of you, where can they what should they do?
where can they what should they do? >> They should go on to my website
>> They should go on to my website focuswithfagy.com.
focuswithfagy.com. There I've got info about my books, my
There I've got info about my books, my courses. I've got about 15 courses, 11
courses. I've got about 15 courses, 11 and a half thousand students.
and a half thousand students. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of students.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's a lot of students. And if they would like funding, there is
And if they would like funding, there is funding available if one has ADHD or
funding available if one has ADHD or dyslexia. You may actually be able to
dyslexia. You may actually be able to get the funding even though you don't
get the funding even though you don't have a diagnosis. They should just pop
have a diagnosis. They should just pop on to my website, have a look there and
on to my website, have a look there and message me. I think I've got my number
message me. I think I've got my number there and just send me a WhatsApp
there and just send me a WhatsApp message and we'll get cracking.
message and we'll get cracking. >> Great. Okay. Well, thank you very much.
>> Great. Okay. Well, thank you very much. >> Thank you
>> Thank you >> and thank you for watching. Please do
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