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hey everybody Welcome to the podcast you

guys are in for a treat because my good

friend the good doctor Dr rangan

chattery is in the house longtime

listeners know rangan well he's been on

the show I think four times uh but not

since before uh the pandemic it's been a

couple years uh but rangan for those who

are new maybe you I'll let you give your

bio uh but Ran's here because he has

amazing podcast podcast called feel

better live more he's part of the

voicing change family and uh we're going

to introduce you to his show by sharing

uh one of my favorite episodes of his

show and I think maybe of yours I don't

know yeah a pin down um but maybe uh

share a little bit about who you are

what your background is and your show

yeah so um I am a medical doctor I

qualified from Edinburgh Medical School

back in 200

1 and my career has been on somewhat of

an evolution ever since I don't think

what I am doing today is what I thought

I'd be doing when I left and stepped out

of Eder medical school for the last time

because today I'm a podcaster like you

I'm an author yes I'm a doctor I teach

doctors but really in essence I think

what's evolved over my career is this

understanding that it's our Collective

modern Lifestyles how we live but also

also how we

think that impacts the quality of Our

Lives it impacts our health yes but it

also impacts our happiness and our

relationships and I've gone through many

iterations throughout my career of being

slightly frustrated in medicine and

feeling that a lot of what we have to do

is to suppress symptoms with drugs and

through a few personal experiences with

my son and my father I really got more

and more passionate about the idea that

lifestyle can be our best medicine if we

know what to work on and that led to me

back in

2015 I think it's almost 10 years now

maybe it's

2014 I got my own Prime Time television

series in the UK called doctor in the

house that got shown to 5 million people

a week in the UK and has gone to 70

countries around the world it's still

probably the

proudest it's still probably the things

that I'm I look back on I go yeah that

was pretty incredible what I managed to

show the British public and people

around the world through that series um

I think now on reflection that show was

ahead of its time I think if it landed

today it would land in a completely

different way I think back then what I

was doing was deemed a little

bit what's going on here now I'll give

you an example on that you mean like woo

woo I wouldn't say woo woo but you know

basically do the house was was where I

went to live alongside

families who were sick right they were

under GPS and Specialists they were

usually had a diagnosis and they were on medication

medication

usually but they applied to go on the

show because they couldn't get better

and so the whole premise is that the

doctor goes into their house and so for

four to six weeks I spend time with

these guys and I helped a lady put her

type 2 diabetes into remission in 30

days I helped another lady with panic

attacks reduced them by 70 to 80% in

just 6 weeks I helped a lady with severe

pains with fibromyalgia IBS depression I

helped to become painfree for the first

time in six weeks sorry for the first

time in 10 years I had I helped to

become painfree in six weeks I helped a

lady with menopausal symptoms without

the use of hormones get almost

completely better but the incredible

thing was that I did it all with

nutrition and lifestyle and mindset it

was using no pharmaceutical drugs and so

when I say that that was a bit ahead of

its time I remember when the episode one

of the First episodes was was me helping

her reverse her type two diabetes in 30

days back in 2014 Rich that wasn't

common knowledge you know there was a

bit of push back online saying this is

an irreversible disease it's it's a

chronic progressive disease this is not

true don't get me wrong there was mostly

great feedback but it was my first it

was my first interactions with social

media and I very quickly had to learn

how to deal with negativity which I did

find really hard back then if I'm

completely honest but today 10 years on

it is widely accepted that type two

diabetes can be put into remission so

that series was really quite profound

for me in so many ways that I've only

really appreciated even in the last two

three years even in writing this new

book i' I've gone why do I have such a

different perspective

on health than so many

doctors I think my cultural upbringing

you know being in an Indian family where

we understand or we get infused with the

idea that food is medicine from a young

age that if you're sick your mom

actually puts extra turmeric in your

Curry or if you got a sore throat she'll

make honey and greater Ginger and

turmeric like you grow up with this idea

that food is medicine and then you don't

get taught that in a medical school so

there's a slight conflict but then also

most doctors even if they are practicing

in a more holistic way and may get one

hour with their patient let's say they

still won't see what I got to see I got

to see how every single

input in these famili family lives

impacted their health even if I had an

hour with them they still wouldn't tell

me the stuff that I saw I'd be like ah

could this person symptoms being in some

way related to the fact that the husband

is talking to the wife this kind of

emotional stress it's relationship

stress that's there that's impacting how

they feel about themselves I got to see

all of this and go wow health is so much

more than just what I see in the

consultation room in fact 99% of our

health outcomes basically pretty much

come from outside the consultation room

right so these experiences that Prime

Time series LED to me you know writing

books and you know I'm I'm blessed to

have this podcast which has been going

for seven years now I've said this

publicly I'll say it again Rich you were

a huge inspiration for me to actually

start my show because of the way you

conducted your conversations that that's

what inspired me the most I thought this

is a guy who is bringing

real intentionality to each conversation

each conversation feels like a special

event nothing is just dialed in the way

that you dress it up and put it online

and the the audio quality all these

things were like oh that's the kind of

show I want

right now I think I've evolved into

having my own style now but definitely

you inspired me massively to to to have

the confidence to go long as well

because in the UK back then people were

saying to me your show should only be 40

minutes that's the length of the average

commute so my first six shows were 40

minutes I mean I I haven't listened to

them I'm not sure I can put myself

through that but well no one should go

back and listen to the first EP anybody

who's been doing this thing should go

back and listen to the beginning but I

think I mean first of all thank you and

I think what you've built is is really

potent and Powerful there's a reason why

it's the number one Health podcast in

the UK not only is it the number I mean

you're in like the top like I don't know

five to 10 of all podcasts in the UK

like what you've built is you know

incredibly powerful it's reaching um

millions of people uh and not just

reaching them like really impacting them

in meaningful ways and so uh I love not

not only what you do but like how you do

it because I do think that you bring a

level of integrity and intentionality to

you know this medium with your

experience uh and there's a reason why

it's successful um and I'm really proud

to be supporting you in this Venture and

also just to be your friend so me too

man I appreciate that thank you yeah and

so the idea here is like we just wanted

to introduce all of you and by you I

mean the audience uh who might be new to

rangan to what his show is so we're

going to share an episode of it uh what

is what episode are we going to be

sharing with everybody well we're going

to share I think what might be one of

the only long form conversations that

exists with Elliot Kip chogi the Kenyan

marathon runner the only human to on

knowledge that has ever run a marathon

in under two hours I'll admit to a

little bit of jealousy when I saw that

you published that I was like damn rang

how did you get him like that is not a

guy who's like doing the podcast rounds

I don't think he's ever done a podcast

except for yours I think he's you know

when his film came out I think he popped

him on a couple I got offered him then

actually but interesting enough that

these were going to be 10-minute

conversations on Zoom I I don't want to

do that I don't want to have a 10-minute

conversation on Zoom it's not really

what my show is about it's like yours

it's long form

we we want to go deep and so I

appreciate how lucky I am I know what

it's like when you see another podcast

and they get some guest that you've been

trying for years you're like how do they

manage that like I tried this and I

tried that but I didn't get a response

really that came about through my

relationship with the London marathon

and the team there um I've helped

support them for a number of years

promote them I spoke to Hugh braer the

um the kind of the head of the London

marathon on my show a few years ago and

it's again through developing good

relationships with people and they knew

I wanted to talk to Elliot I didn't get

much notice um I live in the northwest

of England my studio is in the northwest

of England um outside of London I'm

lucky that because of the size of the

show people will travel up to my studio

how far is it how long does it take from

London to get there by train it's on a

quick train um but it's still 1 hour 40

minutes it's a really nice relaxing

train with only two stops so people

really enjoy it but really that's your

day if you're in London and coming up to

mind that's your day done now most

guests do come unless it's let's say a

top us guest who's in London for just

two days and they literally can't fit it

in and if I really want to speak to them

I'll go down but I think with about two

weeks notice or maybe 10 days someone

from the London Marathon reached out and

said hey wrong I know you've been trying

to get Elliot for a while um we have

some time with him when he's in London

in like 10 days um you know what do you

think I'm like trying not to sound

overly Keen yeah yeah sure I'd love to

do that and we basically set up an interview

interview

um I was told that you don't have long

he's very very busy

busy

um he's got lots of press engagements

and I thought okay look this guy I I

I've always been I've always been drawn

to him I just find his Mana there's

there's an Elegance to his demeanor and

his disposition that you and a gravitas

and like a Grace but also like a

humility yeah that's rare in such a

ordinary Champion yeah and I thought I

have to do this I really want to do this

and I you know I remember sitting with

my children for his first sub two-hour

events my wife was away we were watching

it early morning in the UK he didn't

make it we saw it the next time we watch

it together so it's a kind of family

thing for us as well like we talk about

Kip chogi a lot I your kids are fans my

kids are fans yeah so what happened is I

I thought okay so we can why don't we

all go down for the weekends stay in a

hotel in London I was interviewing on

the Sunday morning of the marathon then

he was going to like I think start the

race or something so I think I was told

it has to be in this hotel room at 8:00

a.m. or in this hotel where he's staying

it cannot be anywhere else he wasn't

running he was starting like announcing

the start you mean I think so he had run

the week before in Berlin and that's

when he got the world record literally

he was literally a week off of setting

the world record when you met up with

him exactly so a very fortunate time to

have him and what's really interesting

is that my kids said Daddy can we can we

meet and the team and I'm not the team

were amazing but they were like they

didn't say I couldn't bring my kids but

they were like we've only got this time

you don't get longer he has to run out

straight away so obviously I knew in

which room we were recording cuz my

cameraman Gareth came down and he set up

and he really tried to make it look

beautiful I said mate we've got to make

this look good I think this is the only

long form conversation with Elliot that

I've seen so just in honor of this

individual let's try and make it look

good so Gareth came down he's spent a

whole day trying to light the room which

is you know it's a standard London hotel

room and then I tell you the things I

remember Rich Elliot came in and I can

get quite excited to say the least right

I can be quite an amped up guy

sometimes he is so calm and

quiet that I I start to respond to him I

start to talk quietly and slowly and it

was it was amazing to see what power

what magnetism can exist with another

human being like their energy starts to

change the energy of the people around

them which I found really profound so we

have this

conversation I had told my kids that

morning we were saying in a different

Hotel I said guys if you want to meet

Elliot I don't know like it's hard with

the team they're being really picky on

time they're really not picky they're

being really precise on times and I said

guys I'm recording in this hotel in this

room in this hotel I said to my wife

make sure you and the kids are outside

the door

10 minutes before the end i' to gave

them the time and my wife tells me

afterwards that they couldn't even get

there like ell's team were like where

are you going they like you know no one

can come in here and she's like no no

wrong it's my husband like so she

insisted no one's going to stop my wife

getting anywhere so they're waiting

outside the room I finished with Elliot

I think we go for about an hour and 15

in the end so I managed to irk out a bit

of extra time and then one of the

loveliest things I remember was that the

publicist like okay yeah great no

problem we need to take Elliot now my

kids came

in and he just stopped he sat down he

spoke to them his publicist trying to

move him on he's just sitting there my

son takes his T-shirt off Elliot writes

a handwritten message signs it for him

gives it him back I have seen Rich maybe

like you I've seen people on the mic and

off the mic and it ain't always the same thing

thing

mhm and what I realized that day was

Elliot is the same person on and off the

mic he was gentle he was calm he was

present he was so lovely with my

children he gave them gifts he said

anything else you want he went and asked

them his PR to get something he signed

it for them and another thing I've

reflected on since that is that I've

spoken to Ellie Kip chogi on my podcast

I've also like you spoken to kilan

Jour and I've always

thought it's incredible that two of the

humblest people I've ever met met on my

show I would say

Elliot and Killian and I always thought

this is so interesting why is that is it

because their sports are in nature they

see the magnitude of existence like you

know you don't see that as much with

football in the UK or let's say

basketball where we can often see ego

attached to someone's Fame and their

success I didn't get a hint of ego from

either Kil and Jour or from Elliots and

that is something I think a lot about

but it was a beautiful conversation with

a quite beastful man it's so cool man uh

I love it that's a great story uh and

what an extraordinary human being to be

able to like share space with uh and

it's always cool when it's somebody uh

who is so accomplished and fascinating

but isn't kind of like doing the podcast

like there's a specialness to it right

because you know like this guy's not

going next door right after you to go

somewhere else like this is a this is a

very like kind of special moment in time

yeah and I feel lucky and the truth is

you know what it's like we're not always

going to get the guests that we want and

sometimes those guests appear on other

shows and and that's just the way of the

world I feel that yeah for whatever

reason Karma the universe whatever for

some reason that happened for me and you

know it's still it's like pinch me when

Elliot sends me a DM on something or

he'll comment on something on my

Instagram and I'm

like oh that's a k do you know what I

mean is nice but I kind of I feel we

built up a rapport that day which of

course is what we do when we have these

conversations when you have these

experiences you know we're always

striving to create something meaningful

and that comes with authenticity and and uh

intentionality um and true curiosity I

think you know to try to create

something authentic so anyway I love it

I can't wait for all of you the audience

to hear or watch what's about to follow

uh rongan thank you for being a member

of the voicing change family for being a

friend uh his podcast is fantastic feel

better live more available on YouTube

wherever you get podcasts Apple Spotify

like all the places right yeah yeah you

know it man all right man cheers cool

enjoy everybody

peace as we're having this

conversation it's pretty much exactly 7

days almost to the minute where you were

running in Berlin and when you broke the

marathon world record

again how's the last week been for

you um last week actually was Sunday was great

great

day I broke a world record but from

Sunday after now it's been a little bit

busy I'm walking up and down doing some

sponsor stuff and making sure come

everybody's uh is Happy before I fly

back to to Kenya yeah looking forward to

going home I'm sure absolutely if yeah

yeah obviously you've done many

interviews since you broke the world

record we've watched many of them on on

television or on the

Internet what's it like for you there

when you're not in public so last Sunday

for example what's it like for you when

you're in your hotel room at night and

you go to sleep what is it like in those

private moments for you oh when I

am alone it's a it's I think it's a

crucial time for me to audit

myself internalize what has happened the

day and actually try to to to call back

what has been happening for the last

four months and actually

appreciate what we have been doing

actually for four months we just uh

Rift good fruits on on that day so it's

um internalizing and accepting and just

uh making your mind really calm that it

has happened

and it there is another tomorrow is

another day

yeah many people struggle to keep their minds

minds

calm um big things may happen in their

life at work or with their family or

pressure and they really struggle to

calm their mind you seem to be someone

who has a very Zen approach to life a

very calm approach how do you manage to

calm your mind when you've achieve

something so huge

huge

um I am a believer of some

philosophies I'll give an example I'm a

believer of

aop if you are going up the tree you are

staying on the branches of a

tree and immediately when you actually

you crap a branch you test the branch if

it's strong enough to hold your weight

and if strong enough hold you away then

you cab immediately you stepped on the

branch then you H for the next Branch

then you you have already actually uh uh

cut this Branch yeah you forget the

branch you wait for the next one get the

crap the next one test with us

and the bran and half mus to hold you

away and then you go up oh what I'm

trying to say is this

ping Marathon was a

branch I walked for that Branch for four

to five

months and last week on Sunday on 25th

uh I CAU the branch yeah after getting

the branch actually uh what else I've

got the branch I need to aim for the

next one so just foret aim for the next

one that's how that's how I believe in

that philosophy and the philosophy

actually has helped me to to know that in

life every day is a challenge yeah every

day is a challenge you know we were in

in a lope actually with with somebody in on

26 at 10: in the morning and I told that

person that you know you see now the

organizers the organizer of the Palin is

thinking of next year yeah so B Marathon

2022 is already out yeah it's really

inspiring is that is that an approach

you've always had to life even as a

child or is it something you've learned

through your career uh it's something I

learned through my career I have grown

enough in the career close to 20 years

in in in running and I know a lot I know

what what can actually knock you out and

what can actually uplift you what can

make you to be a real

yeah when you're about to embark on

something like last Sunday the bin

Marathon do you know beforehand that I'm

going to try and break a world record

today is that already in your mind or I

I guess there must be things you trained

for four or five months but you can't

control the weather for example you know

many of us who run at weekends let's say

some days we're not feeling it you know

our legs don't feel as though they've

got the the energy or we don't have the

mindsets so I'm really interesting for

you when you have done so much training

to build up for One race where the world is

watching do you have a strategy in your

head that today I'm going for the world

record I will start by saying that

uh I don't

actually I'm not a believer of

success for the F thing I don't believe

in success but I believe in good

preparation and planning which can bring success

that means the five months if I don't

work hard I will not be successful but

if I got well planed well prepared then

I'm sure of success what I'm trying to

say is

this uh for four months I'm really

training EA think the targets for over

80% is that and I feel I'm really

comfortable in my my body my legs are

good then actually one day to go then I

I start to audit what I've been

doing if what I've been doing actually

is went

well as I

expected then the next day I'm ready for

the next day anything might happen if

the rain comes in if it's too hot or if

the the weather is okay then I will

handle it but I will accept the results

you know uh uh they

actually if you don't accept the sols

then if you if you want to enjoy sport

you need to accept the out be hit any

outcome I will not

regret acceptance seems to be a really

key part of your approach to life you

mentioned of course already that the

bill and marathon's gone that's the

branch you've got the branch now you

accept it and move on irrespective of

what had happened you also mentioned

that you don't believe in

success that's really interesting to me

does that I mean is it you don't believe

in success or certainly when I hear you

say that and describe it is it that the

success is the four months of training

that's the success let me explain that

uh when I say I don't believe in success

success is there but you cannot sit and

wait for Success

Success

yeah success is waiting for you to

but rule number one you should be

prepared rule number two we should be well

well

planned rule number three you should be

actually capable of grabbing the success

that's what success is saying yeah

success is there I don't

deny but I

believe in preparation in pure and good

preparation in pure and clean planning

can lead to success yeah I don't think

that you can actually believe that I

will be successful in a marathon yeah

and you don't follow actually uh uh the

program to the L you know the moment you

don't you Skip One will count on the very

very

day yeah

yes it it's so

fascinating what I'm hearing from you is

that yes you happen to be a marathon

runner but you're saying that

actually this

approach kind of applies to all of

us um yes uh you

know success is you can define success

in different

definitions 10 or 20 or anything you

have but at the core of everything you

know I'll give you an example that you

are in class and you you you have you

your last year

exam in December and you have three

months to

study if you don't start hard if you

don't actually go into a group

discussion is to share what you know and

somebody else can give you what he or

she knows I don't think you will

actually be get the first class H us you

know success you can be successful in

running but you can run to 10 and it's

that's success that's success according

to you yeah you can be successful in

life and you R to five you can be

successful in life and R to1 that's

difference of success you can be

successful in education and you have a

pass yeah you can call yourself your

successful you have created you can call

yourself you are successful and you have

distinction so it what success

really I think success what I'm trying

to say is that Mastery of what you are

doing if you have Master what you are

doing then that's that's

success but you need to do it you need

to have the right systems for success to

come in the real right systems the

moment you lock systems the moment you

have you like the positive systems

within here yeah you you you will really

look for it but you will not get it so

it's good that in life you need to weigh

yourself and and and and declare that

hey I belong

here if you are a

sportsman you you really need to

actually stand and say no I need to be

successful I belong here it doesn't mean

that people can see you are successful

you are not people can really still out

please it's good to actually tell

yourself I need to be successful yeah

but I need to work up I need to be

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individual definition of success don't

we absolutely if you want to be

successful Define in your own words yeah

yeah in your own words the way you

understand your own language to find

success in your own language someone

who's never run

before if they were to complete a 5k if

they were to build up to running 5

kilom that could be success for them absolutely

absolutely

yes it depend they building up and they

have complete 5K yeah in the next 3

months they completing 10K that's

success but you canot wake up today and

can actually complete that that 20

km last

Sunday I was glued to the race and

actually I want to share with you there

are three moments in my life where I

have witnessed a great sporting occasion

with my two children two of them

actually involved you one of them was

when Tiger Woods won the Masters in 2015

but the other two were last weekend when

you broke the world record and also when

you went under 2 hours in in 159 I was

sitting with my two children around the

computer watching it was really special moments

moments

now at halfway when we saw the splits of

you you of course you all know 59

something at at

halfway I was feeling nervous which is

ridiculous because I'm not running

you're running and you look really

relaxed but I'm thinking oh man is he

going to break two hours a day has he

gone off too fast how aware of the time

are you in that moment what was going

through your head um you know what

happened is that I was feeling well

space makers were on the on the right uh ship

ship

and we cross the halfway we cross the

20K and realize hey then is 56 is so

fast then I tried to calculate to give

another 2 minutes and 50 seconds I so it

will be actually under under 60 but all

in know is that uh

that was a big motivation for me that if

I am Crossing actually under 60 with a

half then I will not miss a world record

so I

was keeping myself a morale that please

let me push if I run two hours flat well

done good if I miss and that's what I

need so it was it was a Plus on my side

A Plus on my mind yeah do you feel any

pressure because of who you are because

of the amount of people who look up to

you and watch

you you know are you aware of that

pressure from the outside or is it just

another race for you it was a huge

pressure it's a pressure from all sides

you know uh on Friday actually I just

jump in to to to press conference for

home and all the channels were asking

me are you going for world record I told

them no who told you I'm going for world

I'm coming here to run a good race and

and if that race can be translated to be

a CO record or or if you can call it a I

will appreciate that's what I I told

them yeah but there was a lot of

pressure from the channels everybody was

expecting that you can run then I told

them no I I'm coming for a good yeah

it's that approach isn't it that you

keep talking about it's process over

outcome it's the journey over the

destination that's what I'm hearing as I

hear you speak yes yes you know you cannot

cannot

say you know human being is not machine

you cannot

it's you you cannot set yourself and for

in certain time and time

no you you never know what will happen

yeah yeah on the way marathon is life

and all all challenges are on the way

but uh always put my mind that I need to

run well I need to run certain time try

to push myself according to what I've

been doing in training thinking you know

before you do something you need to

internalize first yeah you need to

internalize you need to to to Really put

in your heart and in your mind you need

to even to think and imagine crossing a

Finishing Line with a world record yeah

then you will get it you cannot wake up

and just

trash the moment you cut it then you you

on last Sunday after the

race I went to the kitchen with my kids

we were having a late breakfast because

we we missed breakfast to watch you

break the world

record and my 12-year-old son had a

question for me which if you don't mind

I was going to put to you yes he said

Daddy um Elliot was celebrating just

before he got through the

line if he hadn't celebrated do you

think he would have gone one or two

seconds even quicker than what he did do

so this is a child's question and I

watched the video again on YouTube this

morning and it's certainly appeared that

obviously you knew you were you had

broken the world records there was a

smile there was some sort of hand

celebrations and it did appear to me

that your pace slightly slowed at the

end so the question from my son is could

you have gone one or two seconds faster

had you not celebrated it's a very good

question and and and and uh uh uh I to

answer and to answer

that I already saw that I me I the world

record so I didn't mind actually

celebrating provided I need something

called a world record yeah so I was sure

of a world record and decided to

celebrate and and got it yeah yeah W

huge huge congratulations thank you you

know I know you want to inspire people

to run I've heard you say that in many

interviews and many

conversations and I've been thinking

about inspiration recently what is it

about people like you that INSP so many

of us around the world because you

know I'm a doctor okay so

I I may dream about being an elite

marathon runner but I'm not an elite marathon

marathon

runner but I remember after that race I felt

felt

inspired um I went into the garden and I

did some Sprints I got my skipping rope

out and did some skipping there was

something about watching you a fellow

member of the human race achieved

something so special that really

inspired me within my life to do a bit

more why do you think that

is um inspiration actually is that uh

always say

that life is about

movement uh and I want to inspire people to

move old the professions actually with

your engineer doctor be you are a

teacher be you are a manager all sorts

of professions in this

world for them to survive for them to live

live

longer is the spirit of movement what

move that's how to earn a good life if

you move that's how to live longer but

the only movement which is

available is the less expensive movement

running if you run then you know I'm

trying to to to tell people that you

can't run actually to be a record holder

and but I need you to run to to be fit

and to live longer yeah that's my

inspiration that's why I always say I

want to push uh uh running to be a

family lifestyle the moment all the

family is actually crap running and

actually put in in their family and call

Family lifestyle that will be great

whereby in the morning you can see the

kids and the parents just putting on

shoes and just walk around just just

move it's about movement just move the

world will be

fruitful are you familiar with park run

it's a big Global movement um it it

started in the UK and in many many towns

and Villages around the UK and now in the

the

world there's a 5k every Saturday

morning and people of all abilities come

children adults they all get a time but

you know the fastest will be running in

15 16 minutes uh the slowest will maybe

be an hour but it's a big Community

spirit and people run together and you

know what you just said about running as a

family I pretty sure if park run did not

exist I'm not sure my kids would be

Runners like my son loves

running but I think he loves running

because of park run so the way we start

every weekend is me and my son we go

down to the local 5K rain or shine you

know windy cold hot doesn't matter we

turn up and we do a 5K and so for me

it's how we spend our family weekends

together which I think speaks to what

you're talking

about yes that's exactly what what I'm

I'm saying and if all of

us if the spirit that you are doing in

UK can go to every

country in this world then actually will

be far the two years actually the world will

will

change yeah why did you start

running um I start running um my

neighbor was running I wanted to run

like him which is my coach now and

the a was of running actually and

training her was uh just to feel our

life will be up the skies by actually

getting a ticket and and and

fly but at long last I travel to Europe

I realized

that so sport can give me life sport

actually can can can keep a food to my

table to to to my siblings and my parent

and and and rest so I start to to focus

in a professional way

and did you know from the start that hey

I'm pretty quick here I can beat people

around me or did that come later not

that one came later not really I just

training and wanted to just perform go

to to to compete and and actually

compete with other people get a position

home as I talk to you

Elliot I think back to a conversation I

had a few years ago on this show with

kilan sha the um you know regarded by

many as the greatest Mountain runner of

all time you of course are regarded as

the greatest uh marathon runner of all

time and what really strikes me from

chatting to both of you is there's a

real modesty a real

humility and I'm really

interested why do you think that might

be and do you think there's something

unique to running that kind of gives off

that flavor in the people at the top of the

the

sports um I think it's about understanding

understanding

life and understanding what you are

doing that uh

always when you at the top of something

and you have an EO that's the sign of

failure and at the end of it actually

when you are at home and you realize

that your e is up then

it has it doesn't feel like you are

human so it's the way you think that you

treat all is full of a human family and

and and E will go away and I trust that

the moment

you you chase away EO that's uh that's

the best place to to to really get into

into CA the best place to think the best

place actually to to think with other

people and respect other people the best

place actually to

to get your trainings in a good way yeah

do you think there's something about

running or or running long distances

that it kind of burns the ego out of you

uh I trust the long runs when you are

running for Long training for long uh uh

helps you to actually how to know how to

handle suffering and if you know how to

handle suffering and pain that's that's

what long run is help helping is helping

me or or helping any other person but

only know I

think it's the only way to come your

mind that's hey what do you want again

and if something happens then it has

happen and we need to move on you know

uh I don't know I can't explain because

I don't understand more as far as Eco is

concerned but uh

uh I believe

actually at the end of the day you know

before you go to bed I think

everybody actually is reflecting what

has happened for the whole day yeah the

two actually uh affect the wall in a

positive way or in a negative way for

the whole day that you actually what did

you do you do anything negative or

positive that's what people should be

asking themselves at the end of the day

before you go to

bed yeah and if you happen to

actually have those

thoughts then actually will realize that

uh there is no need of actually having

an yeah yeah this life is actually good

when you are on the

crown you come across incredibly calm

and s in your

Manner and you mentioned there that

running and particularly long runs is a

good way to calm the

mind so I guess for me I'm

thinking will you always calm and Zan

and relaxed or do you think it's the

fact that you run so much that has made

you calm and

relaxed uh I think it that's you my

personality but r r has helped to me to

to be more karma Yeah you mentioned

reflection and how important it is maybe

every evening to think you know what

have you done in the day have you

contributed to other people you know

have you behaved in a way that uh in a

manner that you wanted to behave in

and I know that you

are a very keen journaler you have a

journal yes and in one interview you've

mentioned that your pen and your Journal

are two of the most important things

that you

possess I wonder if you could speak to

journaling why is it so important to you

and why do you still do it by hand in an

age where we have computers and

Technology oh I have a lot of channels I

have a channel which for training every

day I have a channel for for the shoes

that I'm using every

day uh I have a channel that when I'm

reading a book I just highlight the best

points I need to put down on a on a

notebook I have a notebook

whereby it's a what two in that day

that's I write all of them down and and

actually focus on to day today to my

daily programs that I need to do to rush

up and down when I'm at home so uh

believing actually on the hand or

writing actually is that I believe that

they say write it and you'll remember

yeah so the moment the moment you write

it you'll remember so that's why I'm

still carrying around the channel the

channel I have 199 now at home if you

happen to come to Kenya and visit me I

will show you what I I was to in 2003

2004 w i i I would love

to um so that's every year you write

down all of your running absolutely

every single run every single run and

what are you

documenting like what are you writing

down like what distance page I'm writing

the the time I cover and the distance

everything I'm doing if ice SP massage

everything I'm I'm putting there so it

helps you remember does it help you also

when you're reviewing it kind of see

patterns oh when I do this this happens

or when I do this I'm running quickly

that sort of thing um the co thing is

that uh you know if you are writing

everything every

day it helps you not to miss the

training because the moment you miss

training for two days you'll just put

when you refer to your channel you see

oh I missed training last week three

times I miss a training this week two

times with no reason at

all so it's good actually that I really

really need my my book to get to get

train do you do

it when you wake up do you do it after

the run do you do it in the evening or

does it just depend day

today um when I wake up I don't handle

anything I just wake up get my clothes

put on when I wake up I don't see I

don't have I don't handle my my my

phone I'm waking

up prepare foran after tan I go back for

breakfast coming back to relax then I

start now to if I my training was 20 km

then I write actually the time I

cover and

kilm and I close the channel and start

to check the phone if there is some text

to refer or emails or anything else but

all all I treat myself f for other

things so you wake up you get yourself

ready for a run you're not looking at

your phone you do your run it's only

after that important thing is done for

you that you then get into what the rest

of the world wants you to do absolutely

yeah I always tell people that even in

the camp

that uh during breakfast

actually don't bring my phone even we

said hello in our C

whereby mobile phones are not

allowed in the kitchen

oring where we eating to make people

actually heat well and concentrate

reason number point is that to aford

these people actually to get their

phones immediately after training so you

need to get one hour of taking shower

taking breakfast taking care of yourself

for respond to to the whole world yeah

most of the was saying that hey you know

imagine might be in then I asked them

we are out of out of our rooms for 1

hour 30 minutes if any emergency happens

within 1 hour 30 minutes will you sol of

it say no then there is no need for

actually rushing to the phone yeah yeah

and what has happened after has happened

you can actually bring it back yeah I love

love

that so what kind of time do you

normally wake up and then you know I'm

interested as in in that sort of routine

wake up is that with an alarm is it

without an alarm and then how long does

it take you to warm up before you're out

for your run usually my alarm is

actually hold at 5 545 that's a quarter to

6 work up to the necessary chain and put

on 10 16 I'm on the road with the whole

team and we start

training do you always run in groups when

when

training we always run in in P

because if you're one of the fastest

human beings on the planet which I think

you are and most of us think you

are how does it work then when you're

running in groups because presumably at some

some

point depending on what kind of run

you're doing presumbly you're the

fastest so help me understand how how

are you running groups um you know

training actually is not about

competing we are training we not

competing so e run we normally run while

I'm even 5 m at the back and but all in

all is that my life I need to be with

people and and and run with the young

people to actually motivate them when I

am there actually everybody is life life

there is life when I am there when I

miss training in the morning or when I'm

doing something else then everybody I

will receive 100 calls after one and a

half hours where are you so it's

uh it's about training it's about it's

not about competition but you can train

actually for four months in a with

everybody but

um I think the Mind people should not should

should

learn or

actually practice or practice their

minds to un pressure

and and and have have hard work and and

believe in pushing the limits the they

believe in pushing the limits and hand

the pressure they will run very fast you

know it's about what you think mhm that

yes in the west certainly here in the UK

and I think also in

America the relationship a lot of people

have with running

or I guess movement in general

is to help them you know deal with the

stresses of their day these days in the

UK people will talk about running for

their mental well-being uh my taxi

driver chat called Daniel in the

northwest of

England he told me a few months ago that

he runs 10K every day seven days a week

and he says if he doesn't run those

10K he doesn't feel good he doesn't feel

he's settled

a lot of us also do this by

ourselves right you know culture in the

west has become quite isolated people

often don't live near their families

near their friends they're living maybe

they've moved to a different city for

work and they often work by themselves

and then they go running by themselves

and they struggle to motivate themselves

to keep going but what what I'm hearing

you running groups and of course that

makes sense like if you're not going to

show up you're you're letting people

down they're going to say hey Elliot

where are you you know why why are you

not running today what's going on and

and it makes me it really fits into what

I think where I think we're really going

wrong in the west we're becoming more

isolated we're doing more and more

things by ourself and I think that's why

that group park run every Saturday is

proving so successful for so many people

across the UK and around the world is

because people are running in groups

which helps motivate you have you

noticed this when you go around the

world you're speaking to people have you

noticed that

culturally the relationship to running

we may have let's say in the UK or in

America is different from the

relationship people have with running in

let's say

Kenya uh absolutely yes

uh in America and Europe most people

running by by themselves but uh my

enouragement is that that's why I always

say I want to make running a family uh

event is that if you want to enjoy more

running is you run cut a group cut two

three four five people actually

assem yourself actually in a point if

it's every day then that's well done

good and just run you'll enjoy you'll

just talk as you are going ideas are

coming in and you put on paper 10 a bit

and then you know it's good you know

sometimes when you are alone you think

you are running and you are not

running your mind is in another place

you know running is not about legs

running is is about actually the the

mind your legs might be on the par but

your mind might be on the

plane so you need you need a group so

that it can actually protect your

thoughts from actually exploding going

away and and and bring back to to where

you are running so group running

actually is crucial to keep you on the

course make you enjoy running and and

and and you cannot actually get tired

you know the moment you are alone you

start to think a lot then you cannot

finish 10 km if you're actually aiming yeah

yeah

motivation do you

ever wake up in the morning and you know

your ju to have a run

and do you ever think like many of us I

can't be bothered today it's not I'm not

feeling it today I want to stay in bed

you know help us understand are you are

you as human as the rest of us or do you

wake up and yeah it's time to run

oh there some days whereby I don't feel

like run really absolutely yes but so

just lie in the bed and I ask

myself if I turn run what will happen

and you know if you turn run in the

morning you'll lie to yourself that at

10:00 I will go for a run at 10:00

you'll say no 4:00 I'll go for then the

day will be off so I'll ask myself what

will happen then I wake up get my shoes

get my

clothes go the road in 10 minutes time

choking then my Bo will come up again

yeah in training

and I I I will be in life I will come to

life again yeah no I love that do you

tend to run every day usually yes I run

every day every day yeah even like I

don't know like I know you're in

recovery now because you obviously you

ran last weekends are you still running

every day h no I'm I'll start next week

to and for many of us when we do a

marathon the next day can be quite

painful in terms of going up and

downstairs we can really really feel it

yes is it the same for you or can you

walk effortlessly the day after no it's

the same for me same for you

stair actually yeah you know uh where

and there has been there has been

actually so car in your muscles and you

know all that in back from the road is

is hard yeah so you have the marathon

hobble like like the rest of us okay

um hearing what you're saying about

groups and running together I I'm drawn

back to last Sunday's race again

where I don't know obviously you had you

had the Pacers uh there was a fellow

competitor who was with you for quite a

long time I don't know if you were aware

of that if you're thinking wow people

are still with me I I don't know what

goes in your head at that time I'm very

interested but then there comes a moment

where you no longer have your Pacers you

you what goes on in your mind there

because then it's down to self

motivation at that point you don't have

many of us know that actually we can run

faster if there's people around us if

we're trying to beat someone we're

trying to keep up with someone

but in many of the races I've seen you

do you're out in front by

yourself is it hard to keep that

motivation going for you when it's just

you oh let me start with uh when people

are around me yeah uh first I always say

I will run my own

race if anybody actually wants to run my

race then is

welcome I will not actually deny you are

welcome to run my race so if you want to

run your own that's okay but I'll run my

race that's why I don't see I don't

actually turn myself and look back who

is there because I am running my own

rest um if actually the distance

actually is going up and the speed is going up and and the muscle starts to to

going up and and the muscle starts to to to to actually uh so and nobody's there

to to actually uh so and nobody's there then I'm motivating myself I I'm still

then I'm motivating myself I I'm still pushing I'll push by my own know because

pushing I'll push by my own know because I trust in my trainings I trust in what

I trust in my trainings I trust in what I've been doing so I know what I've been

I've been doing so I know what I've been doing will just take me to the finishing

doing will just take me to the finishing line so I I'm not actually scared of of

line so I I'm not actually scared of of maybe losing some minutes because I am

maybe losing some minutes because I am alone or or or or here and there know

alone or or or or here and there know yeah you say you're

pushing one of the most striking things to me Elliot when I watch you

to me Elliot when I watch you run

run is how relaxed you look there's an

is how relaxed you look there's an Elegance you look Majestic your posture

Elegance you look Majestic your posture is fabulous in fact I find it very hard

is fabulous in fact I find it very hard to tell the difference between you at

to tell the difference between you at mile one and at Mile 26 to Me Maybe I

mile one and at Mile 26 to Me Maybe I I've got an untrained

I've got an untrained eye but it looks remarkably similar

eye but it looks remarkably similar whereas if you go to a local race here

whereas if you go to a local race here uh towards the end you will see all

uh towards the end you will see all kinds of postures and people somehow

kinds of postures and people somehow trying to struggle to get

trying to struggle to get through so you're saying that you're

through so you're saying that you're struggling and you're pushing of course

struggling and you're pushing of course why would you not in order to break a

why would you not in order to break a world records

world records yet at the same time you look super

yet at the same time you look super relaxed can you help us understand

relaxed can you help us understand that

that oh looking super relaxed is

oh looking super relaxed is uh that's a good it's good for me

and I have actually trained well and trained my py actually

trained my py actually to to run in a super relaxed way but in

to to run in a super relaxed way but in a high PA M so

a high PA M so when I in the rest I'm just maintaining

when I in the rest I'm just maintaining it but you know to maintain that speed

it but you know to maintain that speed is what is what is really hard to

is what is what is really hard to maintain but it's good to maintain in a

maintain but it's good to maintain in a good posture without actually struggling

good posture without actually struggling so much

yeah I've spoken to many people on this show before about nasal

show before about nasal breathing about some of the benefits

breathing about some of the benefits that we have when we breathe through our

that we have when we breathe through our nose instead of through our mouth and I

nose instead of through our mouth and I can't tell when I watch you you you you

can't tell when I watch you you you you look so relaxed certainly for the first

look so relaxed certainly for the first half of that Marathon last Sunday when I

half of that Marathon last Sunday when I was watching you I thought is Elliot

was watching you I thought is Elliot just breathing through his nose or is

just breathing through his nose or is his mouth open um do you do you think

his mouth open um do you do you think about this is this something you're

about this is this something you're you're aware of yes but I breathe

you're aware of yes but I breathe through my mouth you breathe through

through my mouth you breathe through your mouth Yes from the start to the

your mouth Yes from the start to the finish the more the speed the more the m

finish the more the speed the more the m is you cannot breath in your nose with

is you cannot breath in your nose with at the speed you're G no no I I can

at the speed you're G no no I I can believe that I can believe that but

believe that I can believe that but thank you for thank you for clarifying

thank you for thank you for clarifying that um

that um yeah and what about your smile what I

yeah and what about your smile what I call the kip chogi smile we hear that

call the kip chogi smile we hear that you smile when you're in pain is that

you smile when you're in pain is that true or you know may maybe explain to us

true or you know may maybe explain to us you you know you seem for someone who is

you you know you seem for someone who is running such long distances at

running such long distances at such at frankly a pace that we can't

such at frankly a pace that we can't fathom you know I know you were at the

fathom you know I know you were at the the running show yesterday so I'm

the running show yesterday so I'm guessing you saw people trying to run

guessing you saw people trying to run your pace yes and I'm guessing nobody

your pace yes and I'm guessing nobody look first of all what is it like for

look first of all what is it like for you when you watch amateur Runners

you when you watch amateur Runners trying to run at your pace uh I feel

trying to run at your pace uh I feel tense you feel tense yes why no you know

tense you feel tense yes why no you know it's uh even seeing yourself running on

it's uh even seeing yourself running on TV you just

feel but uh did you worry they're going to injure themselves on the treadmill

to injure themselves on the treadmill and fall off yeah I saw last year some

and fall off yeah I saw last year some to fold fall but I think he was not

to fold fall but I think he was not injured

injured so yeah but I to smile is to enjoy you

so yeah but I to smile is to enjoy you know if you feel that

know if you feel that pain please give that pain if you feel

pain please give that pain if you feel the pain then feel it the more you you

the pain then feel it the more you you actually move with the pain that's who

actually move with the pain that's who have success

have success is yeah everybody if you 10 and you feel

is yeah everybody if you 10 and you feel the real pain then everybody is is

the real pain then everybody is is feeling the pain and few of them who

feeling the pain and few of them who actually know how to handle pain will be

actually know how to handle pain will be successful and will move on to another

successful and will move on to another level so how do we learn how to handle

level so how do we learn how to handle pain uh you should understand that uh

pain uh you should understand that uh pain is part of success just going pain

pain is part of success just going pain need a positive thing yeah that uh uh uh

need a positive thing yeah that uh uh uh success is not coming on a silver PL you

success is not coming on a silver PL you need to work for it the moment you are

need to work for it the moment you are working for it that's how you underg go

working for it that's how you underg go pain yeah yeah pain in your body and

pain yeah yeah pain in your body and pain in your mind thinking you know but

pain in your mind thinking you know but at the end of it you'll enjoy

at the end of it you'll enjoy immediately cross the line immediately

immediately cross the line immediately the pain is no longer there yeah so you

the pain is no longer there yeah so you think pain is a good thing absolutely

think pain is a good thing absolutely yes it's a good thing pain is a good

yes it's a good thing pain is a good thing it actually KES you to to know

thing it actually KES you to to know that you need to work hard it's cting

that you need to work hard it's cting you to to respect that success that you

you to to respect that success that you have eared yeah

have eared yeah yes if old people all successful people

yes if old people all successful people not under go pain then you can see other

not under go pain then you can see other things in this world but because pain is

things in this world but because pain is cting them that if I play uh I am

cting them that if I play uh I am successful but if I don't do the right

successful but if I don't do the right thing actually I I will not hand success

thing actually I I will not hand success again yeah it's it's fascinating hearing

again yeah it's it's fascinating hearing that Elliot because I'm I keep thinking

that Elliot because I'm I keep thinking about what you said earlier

that planning it's about preparation that's almost where the

preparation that's almost where the success lies not in the actual ual

success lies not in the actual ual outcome of the race you know you didn't

outcome of the race you know you didn't quite say that but that's certainly what

quite say that but that's certainly what I'm that's that's what they in that's

I'm that's that's what they in that's yes that's what I'm taking I found that

yes that's what I'm taking I found that a really powerful

a really powerful idea

idea and you say on the day then no matter

and you say on the day then no matter what's happening the crowds the weather

what's happening the crowds the weather things you can't control well you can

things you can't control well you can trust yourself because you know you've

trust yourself because you know you've done the training absolutely

done the training absolutely now that's really powerful if we apply

now that's really powerful if we apply that to pain I'm asking you how can

that to pain I'm asking you how can we each of us learn to handle pain

we each of us learn to handle pain better but um I keep thinking about what

better but um I keep thinking about what you said well if you've

you said well if you've never practiced being in pain how would

never practiced being in pain how would you know ever how to handle it so it

you know ever how to handle it so it sounds as though you have trust in your

sounds as though you have trust in your body because you know you've done the

body because you know you've done the work you've experienced pain you've got

work you've experienced pain you've got through pain you've overcome adversity

through pain you've overcome adversity so you know on the next day or the next

so you know on the next day or the next day you've got that experience in your

day you've got that experience in your body I know I can do this and and it

body I know I can do this and and it sounds like that's a key thing for you

sounds like that's a key thing for you the trust that you have because you've

the trust that you have because you've done the hard

done the hard work

work um the hard the work you are doing the

um the hard the work you are doing the more the pain but doesn't that one

more the pain but doesn't that one doesn't prevent you from actually the

doesn't prevent you from actually the big day that let us say I've trained for

big day that let us say I've trained for four months in a good way there is pain

four months in a good way there is pain but you enjoy the pain mhm in that very

but you enjoy the pain mhm in that very day that you running a marathon pain

day that you running a marathon pain should be there on training is not the

should be there on training is not the last days you should exp you will

last days you should exp you will experience pain

experience pain here but what I'm trying to say is that

here but what I'm trying to say is that the moment you you actually encounter

the moment you you actually encounter that pain please with the landar toia

that pain please with the landar toia because that's where that's where

because that's where that's where success is the moment you don't feel

success is the moment you don't feel pain then I you are you are you are not

pain then I you are you are you are not approaching success the moment you

approaching success the moment you really feel that I please I need to just

really feel that I please I need to just quit that's where ESS is don't quit

quit that's where ESS is don't quit still keep on I always tell people press

still keep on I always tell people press on press on and press on the you press

on press on and press on the you press on you press on you press on you will

on you press on you press on you will get to where you you are going yeah

get to where you you are going yeah yeah many people feel nervous the day

yeah many people feel nervous the day before let's say a marathon or a big

before let's say a marathon or a big work presentation or something big in

work presentation or something big in their

their lives they feel a little bit nervous and

lives they feel a little bit nervous and anxious and they don't sleep very well

anxious and they don't sleep very well uh so it's pretty wellknown many amateur

uh so it's pretty wellknown many amateur marathon runners I I did my very first

marathon runners I I did my very first marathon last year at the London

marathon last year at the London Marathon uh which didn't go particularly

Marathon uh which didn't go particularly well but I did finish I did complete it

well but I did finish I did complete it and I'm planning to do it in April

and I'm planning to do it in April um do you

um do you ever find yourself the night before a

ever find yourself the night before a race lying in bed thinking man I need to

race lying in bed thinking man I need to sleep I can't sleep I've got a big race

sleep I can't sleep I've got a big race tomorrow has it ever happened or have

tomorrow has it ever happened or have you trained yourself to sleep well the

you trained yourself to sleep well the night before a big race uh not really

night before a big race uh not really I'm like other people sleep for two

I'm like other people sleep for two hours wake up see or it's no longer

hours wake up see or it's no longer another two hours so it's it's common

another two hours so it's it's common it's a good thing and and it's good for

it's a good thing and and it's good for show that you are prepared to to to work

show that you are prepared to to to work tomorrow yeah I know you wear an aura

tomorrow yeah I know you wear an aura ring to track your sleep yes um and I'm

ring to track your sleep yes um and I'm really interested in technology and how

really interested in technology and how it can help us with our health I think

it can help us with our health I think sometimes we can overuse it

sometimes we can overuse it potentially um

potentially um you obviously are an elite athlete so

you obviously are an elite athlete so knowing you know how you're running how

knowing you know how you're running how you're sleeping these things are really

you're sleeping these things are really really important for you to do your

really important for you to do your job is it demoralizing for you the night

job is it demoralizing for you the night before a race I don't know what happened

before a race I don't know what happened the night before bin for example if you

the night before bin for example if you have a bad night's sleep and you look at

have a bad night's sleep and you look at your aura ring in the morning and you

your aura ring in the morning and you see a really bad Readiness score or does

see a really bad Readiness score or does has that ever happened and does that

has that ever happened and does that demoralize you or have you learned not

demoralize you or have you learned not to take too much notice um

to take too much notice um the next day I don't actually click to

the next day I don't actually click to the app and you won't look I won't look

the app and you won't look I won't look oh so if you've had a bad night you

oh so if you've had a bad night you won't look I I don't look yeah yes but I

won't look I I don't look yeah yes but I know I've been running many marathons

know I've been running many marathons and it's it's etic for one day to go to

and it's it's etic for one day to go to to Really sleep yeah

to Really sleep yeah yeah I'm always fascinated by talking to

yeah I'm always fascinated by talking to people like you are at the top of their

people like you are at the top of their game and um

like I think of other people at the top of their Sports people who are regarded

of their Sports people who are regarded as the greatest and um you know in gol

as the greatest and um you know in gol for example Tiger Woods is regarded as

for example Tiger Woods is regarded as by many people as the greatest or

by many people as the greatest or certainly one of the greatest golfers of

certainly one of the greatest golfers of all

all time now I've heard tiger would say in

time now I've heard tiger would say in interviews that when he is playing his

interviews that when he is playing his best he's so focused on what he's doing

best he's so focused on what he's doing with the ball and where the hole is that

with the ball and where the hole is that he doesn't hear or see the crowds

he doesn't hear or see the crowds I've heard you say ellot that actually

I've heard you say ellot that actually you do hear the crowds you enjoy hearing

you do hear the crowds you enjoy hearing what they have to say so I'm interested

what they have to say so I'm interested you know as I share that sort of insight

you know as I share that sort of insight from Tiger do you ever get like that

from Tiger do you ever get like that where you're not hearing them and you're

where you're not hearing them and you're really focused or does it just depend on

really focused or does it just depend on what stage of a race you're in uh

what stage of a race you're in uh starting from beginning he what what the

starting from beginning he what what the crowd are saying on the way people

crowd are saying on the way people people are singing and I'm not looking

people are singing and I'm not looking up at at them but I'm focusing on the

up at at them but I'm focusing on the road but I hear that people are cheering

road but I hear that people are cheering on the way and and and I have no problem

on the way and and and I have no problem that's uh that's good cheering is

that's uh that's good cheering is good yeah yeah so you but I I block my

good yeah yeah so you but I I block my mind from thinking outside and bring the

mind from thinking outside and bring the m to to the every mile splits every

m to to the every mile splits every kilometer splits and and and and and

kilometer splits and and and and and focus you on the on the project

focus you on the on the project time yeah you're obviously very welln

time yeah you're obviously very welln around the world

around the world um many people with profiles like

um many people with profiles like yours will face you know maybe 95%

yours will face you know maybe 95% positive comments online but maybe 5%

positive comments online but maybe 5% negative comments when those negative

negative comments when those negative comments come if they do how do you deal

comments come if they do how do you deal with them oh negative comments are there

with them oh negative comments are there in all the sport you

in all the sport you know the law of nature cannot allow us

know the law of nature cannot allow us to to think together

to to think together uh there is optimists and pessimists in

uh there is optimists and pessimists in this world and we need to respect all of

this world and we need to respect all of them because we are all human beings so

them because we are all human beings so any negative thought actually respect

any negative thought actually respect and and and that's life you know uh uh

and and and that's life you know uh uh you know uh other things actually is

you know uh other things actually is that uh you don't you need to just

that uh you don't you need to just forget just see and forget you know you

forget just see and forget you know you don't put in your mind but a lot is

don't put in your mind but a lot is there is a lot of positive remarks

there is a lot of positive remarks negative remarks what can you do yeah

negative remarks what can you do yeah yeah you cannot prevent them from

yeah you cannot prevent them from talking but you can prevent them from

talking but you can prevent them from coming inside your life because they're

coming inside your life because they're negative some top athletes have

negative some top athletes have struggled when they retired you know

struggled when they retired you know Michael Phelps another great you know

Michael Phelps another great you know alltime swimming great it's been well

alltime swimming great it's been well documented he has struggled with uh

documented he has struggled with uh mental health problems uh in the past

mental health problems uh in the past and and I watched the documentary he

and and I watched the documentary he made about Olympians and how many of

made about Olympians and how many of them have really struggled you know the

them have really struggled you know the four years is all about that one race

four years is all about that one race and then the day after there's oh what

and then the day after there's oh what am I getting up for I've got nothing to

am I getting up for I've got nothing to um nothing to train for nothing to

um nothing to train for nothing to practice for and it really

practice for and it really interested you appear to be to me at

interested you appear to be to me at least in the prime of your career I hope

least in the prime of your career I hope we we're seeing you running for many

we we're seeing you running for many many years to

many years to come have you thought about retirement

come have you thought about retirement have you thought about how you're going

have you thought about how you're going to feel when you no longer do this as

to feel when you no longer do this as your

your job oh yes uh in front of my mind I know

job oh yes uh in front of my mind I know I will

I will retire but I will retire when the time

retire but I will retire when the time comes

comes in I'll retire running

in I'll retire running actively but uh I will still go

actively but uh I will still go around all the Pix City marathons

around all the Pix City marathons running for charity to to actually raise

running for charity to to actually raise funds for my for my Foundation to build

funds for my for my Foundation to build the libraries and and and and actually

the libraries and and and and actually conserve the

conserve the environment uh I I I think I'll be more

environment uh I I I think I'll be more Psy when I retire and and I went I'm

Psy when I retire and and I went I'm looking forward for it so you don't need

looking forward for it so you don't need the running the world records to make

the running the world records to make you feel good about yourself not at all

you feel good about yourself not at all I have retire in 2019 when

I have retire in 2019 when I so it's uh I will retire when my

I so it's uh I will retire when my muscles are no longer consuming the

muscles are no longer consuming the trainings when my mind is no longer

trainings when my mind is no longer actually actively consuming the training

actually actively consuming the training so uh I want to retire in a good way I

so uh I want to retire in a good way I don't want to retire because I have met

don't want to retire because I have met an history then why do I die I met

an history then why do I die I met history if I inspire a billion

history if I inspire a billion people by running under two

people by running under two hours and then the next day a kid a k

hours and then the next day a kid a k ask

is that person who inspir still running no he retires then what's the meaning of

no he retires then what's the meaning of running

running yeah the meaning of running is that you

yeah the meaning of running is that you inspire many people you still run and

inspire many people you still run and show

show them uh running his

them uh running his life making his and actually removing

life making his and actually removing the the Paras in the mind people is a

the the Paras in the mind people is a great thing but we need to keep on yeah

great thing but we need to keep on yeah yeah so you think you'll still be

yeah so you think you'll still be running in your 70s your ' 80s 0

running in your 70s your ' 80s 0 absolutely yes you know 7 years ago I

absolutely yes you know 7 years ago I met an hold man in in eens increase of I

met an hold man in in eens increase of I was there for for some

was there for for some awards and the old man actually was uh

awards and the old man actually was uh 91 91

91 91 years he was a very good old man 91

years he was a very good old man 91 years still working and then thing I he

years still working and then thing I he told me no now you you're running

told me no now you you're running marathon and I told him yes he told he

marathon and I told him yes he told he told me that uh he has be running in his

told me that uh he has be running in his life all his life but he will stop

life all his life but he will stop running at

running at 100 I trust now he's 98 I've never

100 I trust now he's 98 I've never follow him I not get his conduct but I

follow him I not get his conduct but I think he has no two more days two more

think he has no two more days two more years to to run because he's becoming

years to to run because he's becoming old because of the knees and everything

old because of the knees and everything but still

but still running so if you if you I ask him then

running so if you if you I ask him then what's the secret you you have a c you

what's the secret you you have a c you you clean with a tie and you don't look

you clean with a tie and you don't look like you are 91 it's only the CET is

like you are 91 it's only the CET is running wow yeah yeah I guess if you

running wow yeah yeah I guess if you were to stop

were to stop running

running after let's say another Olympic gold or

after let's say another Olympic gold or or another another world record

or another another world record then I guess in some ways it's not

then I guess in some ways it's not consistent with your philosophy which is

consistent with your philosophy which is those are just outcomes there are things

those are just outcomes there are things that you you know happen as a side

that you you know happen as a side effects of you just concentrating on

effects of you just concentrating on getting up each day doing the work

getting up each day doing the work having a plan you know preparing

having a plan you know preparing executing on your plan and I guess

executing on your plan and I guess whether you're a competitive athlete or

whether you're a competitive athlete or whether you're just running for fun to

whether you're just running for fun to raise money you still seem to have that

raise money you still seem to have that real love of running I mean do you ever

real love of running I mean do you ever get up Elliot and I forget the log

get up Elliot and I forget the log forget what my coach has said I just

forget what my coach has said I just want to run today because I'm free and I

want to run today because I'm free and I just want to experience what it feels

just want to experience what it feels like yeah absolutely yes so

like yeah absolutely yes so our coach actually are leaving us free

our coach actually are leaving us free on Mondays Wednesdays and Friday that

on Mondays Wednesdays and Friday that it's not that is in the morning we are

it's not that is in the morning we are running as a group in a free way yeah

running as a group in a free way yeah just run and enjoy running for 20

just run and enjoy running for 20 kilm easy just the way you feel yeah

kilm easy just the way you feel yeah yeah how have you managed to stay clear

yeah how have you managed to stay clear of injuries in a way that you know it

of injuries in a way that you know it seems to be quite rare and and the

seems to be quite rare and and the context of me asking this

context of me asking this is in the UK and I think in America

is in the UK and I think in America there are various statistics going

there are various statistics going around that you know 60 to 80% maybe if

around that you know 60 to 80% maybe if Runners have to stop or give up at some

Runners have to stop or give up at some point because of

point because of injury whereas you appear to be someone

injury whereas you appear to be someone who touchwood manages to stay relatively

who touchwood manages to stay relatively clear is there anything you can share

clear is there anything you can share about that uh first is that uh injuries

about that uh first is that uh injuries are a part of life in sport mhm injuries

are a part of life in sport mhm injuries are part of actually the a challenge in

are part of actually the a challenge in sport but what I am doing is

sport but what I am doing is that when I'm resuming training after

that when I'm resuming training after Marathon then I take care of my body

Marathon then I take care of my body with the

with the massage and making sure my muscles are

massage and making sure my muscles are good I will start the first man of

good I will start the first man of resuming training by going to gymnasium

resuming training by going to gymnasium for the whole month three 3 days a week

for the whole month three 3 days a week okay running on steps lifting some

okay running on steps lifting some weights

weights aerobics for the old

aerobics for the old man that old man actually is really

man that old man actually is really ensive mixing with some runs and it can

ensive mixing with some runs and it can it can actually it makes my my muscles

it can actually it makes my my muscles actually to if there is something going

actually to if there is something going on it

on it can actually keep a sign immediately and

can actually keep a sign immediately and I can handle it and after that one

I can handle it and after that one man I go to another step of actually Ur

man I go to another step of actually Ur speed and

speed and training to build my muscles so two

training to build my muscles so two months actually of my

months actually of my training is building the muscles and and

training is building the muscles and and and actually like chasing the injury and

and actually like chasing the injury and I you'll never if you do that you'll

I you'll never if you do that you'll never get an injury or if you get an

never get an injury or if you get an injury will just a small injury will by

injury will just a small injury will by way because you can't prevent everything

way because you can't prevent everything but you have done a lot

but you have done a lot with it's a

with it's a 80% of your you have 80% chance chance

80% of your you have 80% chance chance that you cannot get an injury would you

that you cannot get an injury would you say you're good at if if an injury is

say you're good at if if an injury is starting to come up or you feel a niggle

starting to come up or you feel a niggle are you quite good at saying hey look

are you quite good at saying hey look I'm not going to do that long run today

I'm not going to do that long run today I just need to look after this

I just need to look after this absolutely when I get an immedi

absolutely when I get an immedi something which is wrong I I I I address

something which is wrong I I I I address it immediately yeah yeah it's good to

it immediately yeah yeah it's good to address as early as possible yeah

address as early as possible yeah because I think a lot of people a lot of

because I think a lot of people a lot of my patients that I speak to that their

my patients that I speak to that their work is so pressured they so looking

work is so pressured they so looking forward to their Saturday

forward to their Saturday run that even if they've they're injured

run that even if they've they're injured or they run through and they often then

or they run through and they often then get get injured and then they're off for

get get injured and then they're off for two months they can't do anything and I

two months they can't do anything and I feel like I see this a lot with training

feel like I see this a lot with training plans Elliot I don't know your view on

plans Elliot I don't know your view on this of course you are an elite athlete

this of course you are an elite athlete whose job revolves around

running many people with busy jobs and um I'm not saying you don't have a busy

um I'm not saying you don't have a busy job I mean let's say a non- elite

job I mean let's say a non- elite athlete let's say a busy parents trying

athlete let's say a busy parents trying to do their job look after their

to do their job look after their children they're trying to squeeze a

children they're trying to squeeze a running at the weekends or they're

running at the weekends or they're trying to train for a

trying to train for a marathon and they see a published uh

marathon and they see a published uh training plan online okay three runs a

training plan online okay three runs a week this one's 12 miles this one's

week this one's 12 miles this one's 14 my feeling as a as a

14 my feeling as a as a doctor is that sometimes we don't trust

doctor is that sometimes we don't trust ourselves enough we we see the plan

ourselves enough we we see the plan and we think even though I'm tired or my

and we think even though I'm tired or my knees hurting I must stick to that plan

knees hurting I must stick to that plan because that's the published plan

because that's the published plan whereas I kind of feel we should be

whereas I kind of feel we should be using plans as guidance but we also have

using plans as guidance but we also have to trust ourselves and go it's not the

to trust ourselves and go it's not the right thing for me today what's kind of

right thing for me today what's kind of your perspective on that uh my pers

your perspective on that uh my pers perspective actually is that uh you

perspective actually is that uh you should have a feeling of

should have a feeling of yourself feel for yourself what what is

yourself feel for yourself what what is is it am I could enough to do this uh

is it am I could enough to do this uh establish the thing you should have that

establish the thing you should have that personal that listen to your body yeah

personal that listen to your body yeah if you listen to your body actually

if you listen to your body actually that's a it's really crucial so it's

that's a it's really crucial so it's good to listen to your body do what is

good to listen to your body do what is necessary it can save your energy can

necessary it can save your energy can save you actually not being injured and

save you actually not being injured and many things it's really good to listen

many things it's really good to listen to your body self discipline is

to your body self discipline is something that I've heard you speak

something that I've heard you speak about before you said it's very very

about before you said it's very very important when you say

important when you say self-discipline what exactly do you mean

self-discipline what exactly do you mean by

by that oh that's crucial thing and that's

that oh that's crucial thing and that's value number one you

value number one you know uh in our C I set

know uh in our C I set up I printed a huge

pillbot when you hand our K the second gate you get a huge pill V

K the second gate you get a huge pill V with 60 values 60 60 60 values wow yes I

with 60 values 60 60 60 values wow yes I encourage everybody

encourage everybody to get 15 values 15 after getting

to get 15 values 15 after getting 15 they should narrow them to

15 they should narrow them to threee those three values you should

threee those three values you should live by it sleep by it walk by those

live by it sleep by it walk by those values run by those values relax by

values run by those values relax by those

those values uh go around with your friends

values uh go around with your friends identify those

identify those values let me come to self discipline

values let me come to self discipline which is inside those

which is inside those values what I mean by self discipline is

values what I mean by self discipline is it's that sacrificial or personal

it's that sacrificial or personal passions and

passions and Pleasures that you sacrifice those

Pleasures that you sacrifice those passions and Pleasures to allow you to

passions and Pleasures to allow you to do or to work on your

career how can you hand self discipline the rule number

discipline the rule number one is to get vitamin

one is to get vitamin n vitamin n

n vitamin n yes that's the rule number one you need

yes that's the rule number one you need to inject yourself with vitamin n n is

to inject yourself with vitamin n n is for n is to learn to say

no that's a vitamin yeah that's how to get self discipline secondly setting

get self discipline secondly setting your priorities right

thirdly is avoid complaining those are the three factors

complaining those are the three factors which can lead you to self discipline I

which can lead you to self discipline I to tell you that doing all these things

to tell you that doing all these things is not one night

is not one night event it's a

event it's a process it's like going to a

process it's like going to a gymnasium if you go to gymnasium for 9

gymnasium if you go to gymnasium for 9 hours I go for 3 months

hours I go for 3 months who is going to get the muscles good

who is going to get the muscles good muscles it's me because I'm going for 3

muscles it's me because I'm going for 3 months if you go for 9 hours it's just

months if you go for 9 hours it's just nothing you destroy your body so it's a

nothing you destroy your body so it's a process it's process it's a real process

process it's process it's a real process yeah that you can actually in the three

yeah that you can actually in the three month time you have absorbed the self

month time you have absorbed the self discipline that's why I always tell

discipline that's why I always tell people it's not a one night event to get

people it's not a one night event to get vitamin and learning to say no in

vitamin and learning to say no in everything is not easy no setting your

everything is not easy no setting your priorities right is not

priorities right is not easy avoid complaining in anything is

easy avoid complaining in anything is not easy but if you combine the three

not easy but if you combine the three things you can hand self discipline and

things you can hand self discipline and without those three then there is no

without those three then there is no self displine that's what I mean by

self displine that's what I mean by actually trying to tell people self

actually trying to tell people self discipline is the key to any

discipline is the key to any professional sports person or Sports

professional sports person or Sports woman and I've heard you say before that

woman and I've heard you say before that the discipline it doesn't restrict us it

the discipline it doesn't restrict us it actually gives us more freedom

actually gives us more freedom absolutely yes I always say the

absolutely yes I always say the discipline ones are free in

discipline ones are free in life the indiscipline ones are not free

life the indiscipline ones are not free they in prison because you are in

they in prison because you are in discipline and when wherever you go you

discipline and when wherever you go you know that I I am not supposed to do this

know that I I am not supposed to do this and you're doing that means you are in

and you're doing that means you are in prison in this world you need to be we

prison in this world you need to be we need to be free walk free live live

need to be free walk free live live honest life and and and and and and and

honest life and and and and and and and and and and and and that's the way to go

and and and and and that's the way to go yeah you're commonly known for the

yeah you're commonly known for the phrase no human is

phrase no human is limited when you say no human is limited

limited when you say no human is limited what do you mean by

what do you mean by that uh no human is limited actually

that uh no human is limited actually cannot is not applying purely to

cannot is not applying purely to Sportsmen and sports women it's not for

Sportsmen and sports women it's not for running alone it's for for all the

running alone it's for for all the Professionals in this

world I want that engineer actually to remove that bar in his mind that he or

remove that bar in his mind that he or she can think and inovate something

she can think and inovate something which can help the world mhm I want that

which can help the world mhm I want that teacher actually to have the best mind

teacher actually to have the best mind to inject knowledge to the kids yeah I

to inject knowledge to the kids yeah I want that psychologist to have the best

want that psychologist to have the best knowledge to actually talk to people and

knowledge to actually talk to people and remove what they have as a problem yeah

remove what they have as a problem yeah I want that coach actually to have the

I want that coach actually to have the best skills to instill to his woman and

best skills to instill to his woman and and and

and and Men I want that policeman to really know

Men I want that policeman to really know how to talk to people and to handle

how to talk to people and to handle peace and Security in his own country M

peace and Security in his own country M I want that

I want that leader to really provide the real skills

leader to really provide the real skills of leadership I want those all leaders

of leadership I want those all leaders actually to EMP prayers that they are

actually to EMP prayers that they are not limited and make sure that the world

not limited and make sure that the world is in peace and the world is developing

is in peace and the world is developing towards a positive direction yeah that's

towards a positive direction yeah that's what I mean by no human is limited it

what I mean by no human is limited it applies to everybody it's a universal

applies to everybody it's a universal thing which affects every human being in

thing which affects every human being in this world and if everybody actually

this world and if everybody actually absorb and craft that place no human is

absorb and craft that place no human is limited he can wake up tomorrow and walk

limited he can wake up tomorrow and walk he can wake up tomorrow and run he can

he can wake up tomorrow and run he can work up Tom more and and do anything I

work up Tom more and and do anything I want that student actually to get a

want that student actually to get a first class on us because he or she is

first class on us because he or she is not limited yeah I want that person

not limited yeah I want that person actually to get that expensive course

actually to get that expensive course and work on it and pass it because it's

and work on it and pass it because it's not limited that's what I

not limited that's what I mean how do you

mean how do you instill this sort of philosophy in your

instill this sort of philosophy in your own children is it is it hard do they

own children is it is it hard do they see what you do and that inspires them

see what you do and that inspires them or do you also have any sort of specific

or do you also have any sort of specific ways that you talk to your kids about

ways that you talk to your kids about things like this um uh I'm trying

things like this um uh I'm trying actually always to talk with my kids in

actually always to talk with my kids in a free way yeah to tell

a free way yeah to tell them I always ask

them I always ask them do you know I am going to the camp

them do you know I am going to the camp from Monday to Saturday

from Monday to Saturday morning they say yes to do what to train

morning they say yes to do what to train after

after training you can't compete after

training you can't compete after competing you win

after winning then you make us comfortable and pay our school fees

comfortable and pay our school fees that's why my children are saying so I

that's why my children are saying so I told them you are also not limited go to

told them you are also not limited go to school walk Hard come and play and do

school walk Hard come and play and do anything else and you will you will be

anything else and you will you will be successful and they're

successful and they're accepting yeah

accepting yeah yes it's been such an honor honestly

yes it's been such an honor honestly Elliot to to talk to you as someone who

Elliot to to talk to you as someone who has been incredibly inspirational for me

has been incredibly inspirational for me in my own life um you know when I when I

in my own life um you know when I when I go running I I and I'm feeling tired

go running I I and I'm feeling tired often think of you I think come on run

often think of you I think come on run like Elliots you know I that literally

like Elliots you know I that literally happens in my mind I stand up a bit

happens in my mind I stand up a bit taller I think keep your form keep your

taller I think keep your form keep your good posture like he does so I I know

good posture like he does so I I know you know you're inspiring millions of

you know you're inspiring millions of people around the world you certainly

people around the world you certainly inspiring this um this British guy here

inspiring this um this British guy here talking to you right now um before we

talking to you right now um before we finish up just a couple of things in my

finish up just a couple of things in my mind um many people these days when they

mind um many people these days when they run they they try and distract

run they they try and distract themselves from the pain with music or

themselves from the pain with music or podcasts um do you have any view on the

podcasts um do you have any view on the benefit of running with music and all

benefit of running with music and all podcasts uh during days runs it's good

podcasts uh during days runs it's good to listen to music and listen to

to listen to music and listen to podcasts during the easy ones yes yeah

podcasts during the easy ones yes yeah but uh with the Intensive run I don't

but uh with the Intensive run I don't think you will listen because we just

think you will listen because we just you're pushing your body and music and

you're pushing your body and music and podcast cannot cannot work but uh with

podcast cannot cannot work but uh with the easy runs when you are relaxing when

the easy runs when you are relaxing when you are at the gy when you are at the

you are at the gy when you are at the Pike up the pike podcast and music is

Pike up the pike podcast and music is really good fantastic yeah because you

really good fantastic yeah because you you can actually listen to a podcast for

you can actually listen to a podcast for an hour and you forget that hour hey so

an hour and you forget that hour hey so it's one

it's one hour the breaking two hours was of

hour the breaking two hours was of course done in specific conditions you

course done in specific conditions you obviously have shown yourself that you

obviously have shown yourself that you you can run a marathon in under two

you can run a marathon in under two hours which is still one of the most

hours which is still one of the most incredible things I have

incredible things I have seen do you think within your career

seen do you think within your career it's going to be possible to do

it's going to be possible to do that in a competitive Marathon

that in a competitive Marathon absolutely it's possible oh I have

absolutely it's possible oh I have demonstr that organized the marathon

demonstr that organized the marathon which I personally I I cannot say it was

which I personally I I cannot say it was in a specific condition because you know

in a specific condition because you know uh uh few people actually have te to try

uh uh few people actually have te to try not even D to try D to think to run

not even D to try D to think to run under 12 few I think I the only one have

under 12 few I think I the only one have to think and there to try none as there

to think and there to try none as there to try leave alone even leave alone know

to try leave alone even leave alone know they have never even there to think

they have never even there to think leave a to try just a thinking to run in

leave a to try just a thinking to run in their minds that can I run two hours

their minds that can I run two hours never so it's still hard job for people

never so it's still hard job for people to to accept but all know that I

to to accept but all know that I know running under two hours in a noral

know running under two hours in a noral like London P Chicago is is absolutely

like London P Chicago is is absolutely uh possible and where's that going to

uh possible and where's that going to come from where's that Improvement going

come from where's that Improvement going to come from is it training nutrition

to come from is it training nutrition mindset shoes I mean where do you think

mindset shoes I mean where do you think because to to to me like my my kids we

because to to to me like my my kids we would we were talking about this last

would we were talking about this last week goes Oh Daddy just just another

week goes Oh Daddy just just another minute to go if he can do that but of

minute to go if he can do that but of course at that at that

course at that at that level 10 seconds is huge a minute is

level 10 seconds is huge a minute is like another Marathon like where do you

like another Marathon like where do you feel that Improvement is going to come

feel that Improvement is going to come from uh to improve my we need full of

from uh to improve my we need full of many

many things nutrition will be there

things nutrition will be there technology will be

technology will be there Team Works teamates your right

there Team Works teamates your right systems like teammates those who are

systems like teammates those who are walking people walking around

walking people walking around you will take their key

you will take their key positions and and and all will be well

positions and and and all will be well so I think if

so I think if if if actually the right systems will be

if if actually the right systems will be there on an

there on an athlete after those right

athlete after those right systems if that athlete has the right

systems if that athlete has the right man and he he has really

man and he he has really thing and he wants to

thing and he wants to try then he will run under two hours

try then he will run under two hours yeah first and foremost is started the

yeah first and foremost is started the systems might be there in a good way

systems might be there in a good way yeah but is this person

yeah but is this person actually as he agree in his heart and

actually as he agree in his heart and mind

mind to try to run under two hours that's a

to try to run under two hours that's a big

big question which we should put on and we

question which we should put on and we should

should actually make it before we tell somebody

actually make it before we tell somebody to come and try we need to you himself

to come and try we need to you himself need to come in a pro taight and say

need to come in a pro taight and say hey I have t enough yeah and I want to

hey I have t enough yeah and I want to try and do that then the systems comes

try and do that then the systems comes in yeah and we set the

in yeah and we set the DAT it it's so inspiring speaking to you

DAT it it's so inspiring speaking to you and and I'm I'm pretty sure this

and and I'm I'm pretty sure this conversation is going to inspire

conversation is going to inspire everyone to do their own version of a

everyone to do their own version of a sub to our marathon in their own lives

sub to our marathon in their own lives it may not be a sub to our marathon but

it may not be a sub to our marathon but it could be you know whatever it might

it could be you know whatever it might be for that person but as you say you

be for that person but as you say you need to imagine it you need to believe

need to imagine it you need to believe it first before you're ever going to

it first before you're ever going to achieve it I think that's a very very

achieve it I think that's a very very powerful

powerful message IIA this podcast is called feel

message IIA this podcast is called feel better live more when we feel better in

better live more when we feel better in ourselves we we get more out of our

ourselves we we get more out of our lives and finally at the end of for me a

lives and finally at the end of for me a wonderful conversation with with

wonderful conversation with with incredibly inspirational guy I just

incredibly inspirational guy I just wonder for people

wonder for people who are struggling around the world they

who are struggling around the world they they're struggling with the state of

they're struggling with the state of their lives they're struggling with you

their lives they're struggling with you know making things consistent doing the

know making things consistent doing the things that they said they were going to

things that they said they were going to do have you got any F of words for them

do have you got any F of words for them oh first and foremost is that you know

oh first and foremost is that you know many people are shock many people have

many people are shock many people have lost hope and you know when you lose

lost hope and you know when you lose hope they say first and foremost is that

hope they say first and foremost is that you can survive with water for 40

you can survive with water for 40 days but if you lose hope it's only 5

days but if you lose hope it's only 5 seconds and you death so it's good to

seconds and you death so it's good to have hope on the other is

have hope on the other is that we should actually try to

that we should actually try to understand about

understand about life and to

life and to know what life

know what life Enda you know then it will

Enda you know then it will not to struggle so much but to

not to struggle so much but to understand it work on it slowly by

understand it work on it slowly by slowly and and and and you learn all

slowly and and and and you learn all well Elly thank you so much and good

well Elly thank you so much and good luck for everything you're doing I

luck for everything you're doing I really appreciate it thank you very much

really appreciate it thank you very much [Music]

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