This episode of The Joe Rogan Experience features a conversation with John Cena, delving into his career in professional wrestling, his transition into acting, and his personal philosophy on life, success, and gratitude. The discussion highlights the dedication, resilience, and "happy accidents" that shaped his journey.
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>> We're rolling. What's up, John Cena in
the [ __ ] house on? Yeah.
>> Yeah. Let's put these on. Pretend we're
professional. What's up? Good to see
you, man.
>> Thanks so much for having me. Appreciate
my pleasure being here.
>> And there's no way I'm having a pro
wrestler on without Tony Hinchcliffe.
possible. He's the expert. He knows more
about pro wrestling than I know about UFC.
UFC.
>> Yeah, sometimes I translate little
things here and there.
>> That's cool. It's all right.
>> Yeah, he has to. He has to. And he's a
giant fan of yours, too. You know, a
giant fan of yours is Brian Simpson.
Brian Simpson was going on last night
about how intelligent you are. It was
really interesting, you know.
>> Sure was me.
>> Yeah, man.
>> Well, you do speak [ __ ] Mandarin,
which is kind of crazy.
>> Uh, yeah. Yeah.
>> How long did it take you to learn that?
Uh man, I I was I was doing that for
quite a long time. I've since kind of um
kind of declined on the studies. Uh I a
wonderful takeaway from the study of
Mandarin. Um just because you know a
language doesn't mean you know the culture.
culture. >> Ah
>> Ah
>> so that was a fantastic experience with
I but I I studied Mandarin for like a
decade and I would say like um not even
conversationally fluent. It was a really
tough hill to climb for me. But it seems
like a really big hill.
>> Just it's it's just different. You know,
you get used to the language and the structure.
structure.
>> You read it, you know, the reading.
>> No, I didn't even bother to read and uh
like reading all the characters,
understanding everything. Yeah.
>> How long did it take you to learn?
>> Around 10 years. >> Whoa.
>> Whoa.
>> Yeah. And then like I mean I I would
dream in Mandarin and like have
conversations and kick down and that. So
it became like a like a a second
language. But you know I I lived in
China for a little bit. I filmed a movie
with Jackie Chan. So I was there for
like six or seven months. I lived there
in um man we were in Inner Mongolia,
Yinchuan Province. So like like in China.
China. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> And uh it was fun. Yeah. Yeah.
>> You were in Mongolia.
>> Inner Inner Mongolia. Yeah.
>> What's the difference?
>> Uh I don't know cuz I've never I've
never been in Mongolia, but Inner
Mongolia was uh man I was I was the only
person that looked like me there. Uh and
everyone would say look it's it's big
white guy Hyundai Byron. and that would
call me. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Wow. So, what motivated you to learn
that? It seems like such a task.
>> Honestly, man, it was everything in my
life seems to be wrestling related. It
was wrestling related. Like WWE's um
reach spread everywhere. I mean, I' I've
been able to lucky enough to perform
everywhere from like Moscow,
Philippines, South Africa, Bangor,
Maine, you every place in between except
China. China was like the one place that
didn't understand what we did. So it
it's literally like it's a it's a
universal language because you can turn
it's like UFC like you turn the volume
down but you can see like oh this is two
guys best guy wins. I get it. Uh ch the
Chinese didn't get it. So I figured if
like one of our superstars spoke the
language maybe that would help break
down the barrier. And we got in
>> your idea.
>> Uh it was my idea but the WWE offers and
I think they still offer it. they they
offer a free second language program. So
like when they rolled out the initiative
of like financial advice and um you know
uh they'll pay for portions of your
secondary education and free second
language. This is like 2011
2012 big talent meeting in like an
auditorium. I'm one of the old guys at
the time sitting in the front being like
these kids don't know how good they have
it. I should stand up and tell them to
like no [ __ ] that. I'm actually going to
lead by example and take a language. So
I signed up right then then and there
for China Chinese because I wanted to
get us into China. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> And like I said, it worked, but it kind
of only worked. And they I think I think
actually right now China is experiencing
what wrestling is to them cuz like
there's I've read articles that there's
promotions over there that are thriving.
So like now they get it.
>> Oh, so they have their own promotions.
>> Yeah. Yeah. This is a fairly recent thing,
thing,
>> I think. So, like I just read recent
articles that like pro wrestling is
thriving in China and they have their
own like their own way of doing it. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Wow. That's wild. It's wild how like
expansive the pro wrestling business is
that they would be that o-minded to say
like let's let's give second language
programs to the athletes.
>> Well, and you know, I just it's it's
weird. The origins of the business are
carnival related. it as like a carnival
attraction and then uh it it was like
ruthlessly territorial
>> and then when it became national it was
still trying to find its way. It's it's
almost like you see pro sports doing it.
You know the more a sport succeeds the
more benefits they offer to their
competitors and athletes. So you know
WWE kind of hit that stride. Yeah.
>> It's just such a smart thing to do you know.
know.
>> Yeah. Well, you give your ch give your
talent the opportunities to to gain
knowledge and and wisdom. And the sad
thing is I don't know how many people
did it or or do it still, you know.
>> Was there anybody other than you that
you know of that
>> two other people? >> Who?
>> Who?
>> Uh Clauddio Castnoli who speaks I think
four or five languages already and he
just wanted to take like a brush up
course and uh Natty Nightheart. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> that's it. Everybody else is like
>> not going to do it.
>> Too much work.
>> Yeah. What was the not knowing the
culture aspect of that?
>> So, man, I got I got put in a bit of a
hot spot with um uh I I I I made a a
pack to myself when I was like, "Okay, I
feel fluent." We would do these global
press tours and I just happened to be on
a global press tour and I'm like, "You
know what? I'm going to do 70% of my
media in Mandarin, like in dialogue."
And I got to say, I did it. Like I went
over there, spoke, people were taking
off the translator headphones. Like life
was good, everything was great. And at
the very end of the day, as with all
these press tours, you do like a bunch
of prompter reads. So I'm doing prompter
reads for everywhere. And it's like, um,
hey, go this place and see this movie.
Go this place and see this movie. And
no, my bad. I didn't check the reads
because it's like an end of a 10-hour
day. You do a million of these things.
And one of them said like, "Hey, uh,
Taiwan, see this this and and uh the the
it was all in Mandarin and the opinion
described Taiwan as a country. So be the
first country to see this." Now over
there, they they look through a
different lens like geopolitics are
murky waters, man. And that's what when
I learned of like I just said it, left,
everybody was cool, I did my thing. Like
I I read the prompt. It was like a Ron
Burgundy moment. Like go [ __ ] yourself,
San Diego. was like the most offensive
thing you can say.
>> So I'm like, man, you know, good job,
John. You you said you you did 70% and
people understood what you were talking
about. And then they put that out and
everybody was like, what the [ __ ] did
you just say? We don't that's not how we
do it over here. And again, just cuz
like my takeaway and it was a it it was
a pretty tense moment for me. Like I had
to apologize to China. And in
apologizing to China, I I pissed off my
home country. I'm a patriot. I love the
United States of America and everything
it stands for, but like no one it was
never enough. Nobody was happy.
Everybody was [ __ ] up. And it was it
was it was like murky waters for me
personally. And I it was weird. Like I'm
the I think I might have been the only
guy almost to get cancelceled for doing
his homework,
>> you know, like for trying to like learn
like learn and and try to do something.
But the cool takeaway, you know, we can
learn from every mistake. My mistake was
just because you know the language
doesn't mean you know the culture. Do
they even refer to as Taiwan? I think
they referred to as Chinese Taipei, right?
right?
>> Man, what was in the I know what I read
in in the thing. So that's again I don't
know enough depth to know
>> that and now like people like oh man can
you can you speak Mandarin for this? I
just won't do it.
>> It's a skill that I have and it's but
it's a skill that's going to remain with
me because it's I don't understand. I
don't have the depth of field to know
what to call that place in that region
of the world and I haven't done enough
research and I don't have the wisdom and
I don't have like the the cultural
fluency, you know.
>> So, it was a cool lesson. It it sucked
>> cuz I thought I was just trying to do
something good, but it was it was a cool lesson.
lesson.
>> Was it really that big of a deal,
>> man? I thought like I I I was filming
Peacemaker season 1 and when they came
out with all of this stuff, I went
directly to James Gunn and was like,
"Hey man, if you have to fire me, I I understand."
understand." >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> And uh
>> it was that serious. But it wasn't even
words that you wrote. Someone the WWE
wrote it.
>> That doesn't No, no, it was it was for
the movie I was promoting,
>> right? So the movie the people that made
the movie wrote it. So I don't know like
when you do these press tours let's say
if I'm doing a movie for Warner Brothers
let's say let's use Peacemaker as an
example I'm doing a global Peacemaker tour
tour
>> and we go into China or we go into South America
America
>> you meet like the PR person there and
they have all the stuff you're supposed
to do and they curate your experience
and they hold your hand you like okay
now we're going to go to this station
then by the way they just want you to do
some shoutouts. So anytime I go anywhere
globally now,
as much as I want to um thank fans for
their attention and you know investing
in the product, I really shy away from
like speaking the language because I
don't understand the cultural nuance.
You know, I just I just want to be like,
yo, thanks for watching what we do and I
love the fact that you're entertained,
>> but I want to speak to you at a level
that I understand that I'm fluent cuz
your boots on the ground here every day
and I might say something that's a nice
gesture but completely [ __ ] offend
you. And that's that's not good. That's
not good for anybody.
>> So, was the teleprompter in English and
you translate to
>> No, everything was in Mandarin. And in
uh in Chinese, they have the characters,
which are virtually impossible for me to
learn. There's like an infinite number,
but they have they also have what's
called pin yin, which is it's kind of
spelled out in English with phonetics.
So, it has the four tones. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> So, if you were to put something in
front of me in pinion right now, I could
definitely read it.
>> And I got good at reading pin yin. So I
was like, man, I could I could send all
these messages in manner and then more
people will know about this movie and
more people will know about me and more
people will know about wrestling and
more people be excited. Looked good on
paper. It just my followrough was a bit
weak. You know,
>> it doesn't even seem like that was your fault,
fault,
>> right? It's probably a PR's assistant
assistant that's type that's probably in
charge of doing the grunt work of typing
in all the different languages and the
different countries. Like it's tedious.
you uh uh from from what I know I know
I'm going to learn a lot about you guys
in this episode, but from what I know
about you, you're you're into looking at
looking at things through different
lenses and different perspectives. It
also could have been somebody being like
I'm going to get this kid. >> Oo,
>> Oo,
>> but here's the thing. I I do appreciate
you saying like it's not your fault.
That's not true. It was my fault. And I
think that's when I can start to work on
like, well, what did I learn from this?
And I could easily blame a PR, an
assistant. I could say somebody had a
target on my back. All that stuff. I
[ __ ] up.
>> Did you suspect that somebody might have
set you up? >> No.
>> No.
>> Well, you're saying it like it's a possibility.
possibility.
>> Well, man, when it happened, every every
theory came like here's the thing. The
world doesn't revolve around me, but my
little world, everybody was like, "They
[ __ ] up. They did this on purpose." I
was like, "Well, first of all, who's
they?" So, I was able to kind of
eliminate all that. And once I realized
I could still go on working, uh, I I
really made a lot of people angry. And
for that, that then I'm sorry. Like
again, I was just trying to
>> That's crazy just by saying that
Taiwan's a country
>> in in Chinese though, >> right?
>> right?
>> You know, like those are murky waters to
begin with, you know, like I
>> I'm not even thoroughly fluent on the US
policy. I think it's like
>> like a territorial ambiguity or some
[ __ ] like that. Like it's it's so weird
and it's it's so fragile and
>> I I uh I got into some water I shouldn't
have been swimming in. But that's that's
on me. It's not it was my fault
>> and and I think that's important for me
to bear the burden of that and be like,
"Yo, what how can I course correct? What
did I learn? Who do I really really
genuinely have to apologize for
offending?" The the biggest thing that
was a kick to the nuts is when like
people state side got pissed off
>> because you apologized.
>> Yes. in in Chinese and and I understand
it. I mean, completely like
>> bowing down to the demand of this that
gosh, what a what a shitty move by me.
Like I just I should have taken a
breath. Again, what did I learn? Don't
be reactive. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Take a breath, find out what's going on,
find out the best path of action, maybe
give it a few days, maybe give it a hot
second, um,
>> and then move forward. But immediately I
was like, "Oh, they're mad. You want us
to do this? Fine, no problem. I'll fix
it right now. Man, that not only did I
not try to fix the hole in the boat, I
sunk the Titanic. So, it was But again,
it was a learning experience.
>> Well, it speaks to your character that
you don't blame anybody else cuz I blame
everybody else. I'm like, who [ __ ]
wrote that?
Don't you don't you know what you're
saying or what you're making me say?
>> Uh, the the release you guys have for
the show, I I read it and you're
>> You might be the only person. So that
was that was whoever handed it to me.
That was what they said. Like I think
you might be the only person that's ever
read it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Man, if if if you're gonna if you're
gonna take liberties with me, at least I
want to be able to read that you are. >> Right.
>> Right.
>> You know what I'm saying? And I I can't
say I'm perfect with doing that, but
like I was handed a release. I'm like,
"Man, can I just glance this over for
Oh, this says what I think it says.
Okay, let's go."
>> Trump didn't even read it. Just [Laughter]
[Laughter]
>> to each their own.
>> Yeah. know it's very smart of you to
read it. You know who who knows, you know.
know.
>> Who knows?
>> So, this is uh Tony, is this is this the
full trifecta now? Is like if you've
gotten all of your heroes on this
podcast now?
>> There's a couple more we could knock off
out of the pro wrestling world. There's
a couple more.
>> Talk, if if you don't mind, if I can
indulge, talk pro wrestling heroes. Who
Who do we need to knock off? Who do we need?
need?
>> Well, I mean, in all reality, and it's a
diabolical diabolical And he can he kind
of invite he you can't you can invite
anyone you want in here. You just kind
of got to get him the wish list.
>> I mean you got to you got to start with
the number one without a doubt Vince
McMahon who started this gangster [ __ ]
and spread it around.
>> I would definitely have him is a little
>> man I he would be great. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> I whatever magic you have out there and
you have a lot of gravity.
>> Do you think he'd be interested in doing it?
it?
>> Are you kidding me? I think he would
love it. >> Really?
>> Really?
>> I think he would love it. I I don't know
when the right time is,
>> but man, don't don't miss out on that.
At least at least send it out to the universe.
universe.
>> Yeah. Well, I would definitely Vince, if
you're listening,
>> Vince, if you're listening,
>> let's go.
>> I think this would be a great I think
this experience would be a great one for you.
you.
>> Is he still involved? Is he out? Is he
in? He's out.
>> He's out.
>> He's out totally. >> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> It seems like he's a guy that'll be out
for a little while and then something
will happen that'll bring him back in.
>> No, I Well, >> well,
>> well,
>> I don't know. again. That's that's way
we were talking about like
>> why is your last event in this place?
I'm like, man, because I don't choose
the events. Like I don't that all that
stuff is so far above me, but I know now
he's out. I I in my eyes, I I'd like to
think that like time heals everything
and I believe in forgiveness and uh I
also believe in like looking at the body
of work, but I also know there's a lot
of fragile stuff going on there. I don't
know. I don't know, man. I don't know.
Yeah, it's a hot subject. It It can get
us into another Chinese Taipei incident.
>> Well, no, no, I man, I'm I'm again I've
I've learned to become a little bit more
accountable for for what I say and and
just how just because I feel a certain
way about a person doesn't exonerate
them from being accountable for their actions,
actions, >> right?
>> right?
>> And just because
>> he did start quote unquote all this
gangster [ __ ]
>> uh that doesn't that doesn't mean he
doesn't need to be accountable for his
actions. So, let's let's figure out what
that means and then figure out if we can
if we can move forward and and and bring
that back in the fold or if if it stays
the way it is.
>> What do you think, Tony? You think he's
coming back?
>> I think he would come here.
>> Yeah, I think he would come here, too.
And I think he you know, that's one of
the more entertaining people of all
time. He created the entire universe.
So, you got to remember Hogan's Hogan
because of him. Cena is seen because of him.
him.
>> Yeah. Every single stone cold he's like,
"That sounds good. Yeah, keep it going.
We'll do the glass breaks thing and
they'll throw you beers. I like it.
Let's do it again next week. So
everything that we think
>> when he sits here, you got to do that impression.
impression. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Uh
yeah. Stone Cold's another one that
hasn't been on.
>> Steve would be great. I think you you would
would
>> you would dig Steve.
>> Oh yeah,
>> I'm sure. Yeah. He lives out here, too,
doesn't he? >> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> Does he?
>> Well, actually, no.
>> Doesn't he have a ranch out here?
>> I think he does somewhere. I
>> think he does.
>> Yeah, but I think he's based out of
somewhere else now. New Mexico or
Arizona. He's on the He like He's like
kind of cool and reclusive. He like
doesn't really do a lot. It's amazing.
>> He'd be a good get and I I'm pretty I
guarantee you he would do it. Yeah.
>> Steve, if you're I know you're watching.
Come on.
>> Come on. Come on in.
>> Let's talk Let's talk some wrestling.
>> The man. I mean, everyone has him on
the, you know, the Mount Rushmore. Uh
Triple H, who runs it now, the
son-in-law of Vince McMahon. Yeah.
>> I mean, he runs the entire thing. I
mean, you want you want answers to those
highle questions. There's your guy. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> that's the guy you need to get in. A lot
of the stuff you'll probably you
probably ask today, I'll be like,
"That's way above my pay grade."
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get started. Well, you don't if you
don't know the history, Tony at one
point in time was offered a job with the
WWE before he really made it.
>> No way.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was offered a job
to write for the WWE because, you know,
Tony was a giant pro wrestling fan and
you know, he'd already had a Netflix
special so he was known as a Before that.
that.
>> Was it before the Netflix special?
>> The first one? The one that you released yourself?
yourself? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Really?
>> Really?
>> Yeah. It was only a couple years into me
doing standup like seven nights a week
at the comedy store all the time. And
somehow I ended up someone's like, "Hey,
I have a friend in WWE if you want to
have a meeting with them and just talk."
And I went in with straight up ideas.
This that the undertaker's brother comes
back again. This that the next like
everything back and forth. I can't even
remember any of them. It's been so long.
But I went in with the whole thing. This
guy's like, "Where the hell did you like
what? This is crazy. You just like did
this." I'm like, "Yeah, I found out a
couple days ago we were going to talk."
So, but yeah, they offered it, but I
would have had to move to Connecticut
and take a train to New York every night
to do go do standup. And that would have
just been exhausting. And everything I
heard because Patrice O'Neal, the late
great Patrice O'Neal, wrote for WWE for
a while.
>> Did he really?
>> Yeah. Yeah. For like a couple years, I think.
think.
>> What did he just wrote lines for them?
Like, what did he do?
>> The whole shebang. When you're a WWE
writer, they they make you write. It's
not like a cute job at all. No, there's
a lot of there's a lot of television or
there's a lot of content every week. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Right now, I think they got they have
three weekly shows.
>> So, that's 20 I think one of them's
going back to three hours, 16 like it's
like 50 segments of TV. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Every week.
>> Yeah. But I remember when you were
talking about it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> When you're talking about potentially
doing it, I was like,
>> Yeah. It was tricky.
>> And I was like, dude, you do not want to
live in Connecticut.
>> No. That's the main thing. If it was
anywhere else other than Connecticut, it
kind of m would have made more sense. If
it was in New York City, it would have
been a no-brainer. If it was in LA, definitely.
definitely.
>> But like, fast forward now. You're
you're more and more involved. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Well, this is the crazy thing. Like, we
had talked like during the the old days,
like we would talk in the green room.
I'd be like, that would be your ultimate
dream job, like to make it as a comedian
and somehow be involved in the UFC the
way I or excuse me, in WWE the way I'm
involved in the UFC. like very similar.
>> Yeah, it's look
>> crazy. It's insane.
>> I'm going tomorrow night. I'm going to
be in the front row at the arena in my hometown.
hometown.
>> Are they here at the moment?
>> Oh, man.
>> Are you messing with me? Are you going
to Is your music going to hit your
>> No, I'm not there. I'm I got one.
>> This is what This is what they do, by
the way.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. This is what I didn't even
know they were going to be in town.
>> He's correct. There's a lot of You mess
with people. You're right. But then
somebody like me will actually shoot you
straight and be like, "I'm not going to
be there and I won't be there." And
you'll be like, "Ah, now I'm just I'm
building the equity for people to mess
with people." I'm giving 20 20 mulligans
out there >> tomorrow.
>> tomorrow.
Not a chance.
>> Exactly. I heard a great story. You'll
probably love this. You might even know
this story, but um the Undertaker, his
wife, and his podcast co-host went to
Wrestlemania. They're up in a fancy
suite. This was um which one was it? The
Rock made an appearance. Did you? Yes,
you were there, right? This that huge
finish at Wrestlemania like three years
ago where it was just boom boom boom
boom and all these legends were coming
out this huge finish just like they they
can't even like follow it. The ultimate
climax of a Wrestlemania and one
wrestler comes out interrupts this huge
main event and then another one then
another one. Anyway, the Undertaker, his
wife and his podcast co-host were up in
the suite. Undertaker goes, "I'm going
to go use the restroom." They're like,
"He's been gone a while." The lights go
out, the bell tools. They're watching
from the suite. He's been gone for like
10 minutes, 20 minutes. He went and
changed real quick. And then now he's
>> came out as the Undertaker.
>> Yeah. Came out as the Undertaker.
They're in the suite like, "OH MY GOD,
IT'S the Undertaker."
>> Like they don't tell anybody. It's so
old school and awesome that they keep
secrets so locked up that their own
loved ones, his wife, didn't even know.
>> That's hilarious. That is so crazy.
>> It's It's fun to be able to surprise a
live audience. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I mean,
it's got to be a big part of it. How did
you get involved in pro wrestling? Were
you Were you a fan as a kid and then?
>> I sure was. I I think we have the same
gravity of like, man, I was a super fan
as a kid, but then I fell out of it
admittedly kind of when Hogan went to WCW.
WCW.
Um, so like I was into wrestling and
then I wasn't. Then I got into sports or
whatever. Uh, and then I got back into
wrestling when everyone else did when
like Stone Cold Steve Austin became big.
the rock became big. The attitude era hit
hit
>> and I was just um working a dead end job
over at Gold's Gym Venice and like
didn't know what I wanted to do with my life.
life.
>> How old were you?
>> Uh 21. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> 21. I'd moved out to to California not
to be famous or anything. My degree was
in Kinesise and I wanted to like that
was the center of the fitness universe
in 99 2000. So like all equipment
manufacturers are there. I'm like, man,
I'll go get a job with Hammer Strength
or Cybex or like
>> maybe Golds or like put that piece of
paper to on the wall to to like get a
good paying job. It did not work.
>> So, I ended up like front desk cleaning
toilets, selling protein bars in that
order. So, don't ever buy a protein bar.
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. But
no, I was kind of like a jack of all
trades over there. Um and a a friend of
mine, um Chris Bell and Mark Bell.
>> Oh, I know those guys.
>> Yeah. Yeah. They literally were like,
"Dude, you talk about WWF all the time.
You know, we train down in Orange
County." And at that time, Chris Bell
was kind of like writing for this promotion.
promotion.
>> Like, would you want to do it? And I,
man, I that doesn't happen without them
accidentally saying like, "Yo, we we
trained to do this." So,
>> his documentaries are [ __ ]
incredible. Bigger, stronger, faster.
>> And then the other one, the pill one.
What was that one called?
>> Magic pill. No. What was the one the the
addiction one
uh that Chris released? But um Bigger,
Stronger, Faster is such a [ __ ] great documentary.
documentary.
>> The Bell family. I've been I've been
friends with them for a long time.
>> Great guys. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> that that documentary like blew the lid
off of like the reality of steroids.
Prescription Thugscription is another
great one.
>> Yeah. Crazy thing is he got addicted to
pills while he was doing that because he
had surgery while he was doing that and
got addicted to pills while he's making
a [ __ ] documentary on people being
addicted to pills. That's how potent
pills are. A guy making a documentary
about addiction.
He just thinks, "Well, I'm just taking
these cuz I got hip surgery and I'm in
in [ __ ] agony." And then gets hooked.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Like that's how crazy it is.
>> Yeah. They're strong.
>> Yeah. I would imagine.
Did you ever have an issue?
>> No. No. As a matter of fact, uh I've
I've had fusion in my neck, right pec
completely detached, reattached, both
triceps reattached. Uh both triceps scoped.
scoped. >> Um
>> Um
nose relocated. Like I I got I probably
I'm in like 10 physical surgeries where
they got to go and correct something.
Never taken one uh pain pill.
>> Wow. I have all the prescriptions in the
bottom drawer of my house filled. And
and it's weird because at every
facility, the first thing they the first
hill they climb is pain management.
>> You wake up from anesthesia, you're like
gray and murky. And I've been in a bunch
of surgeries at a bunch of different
facilities. The protocol is always the
same. Do you want something for the
pain? Here, we got to make sure you take
this with you because you're not in any pain.
pain.
>> Yeah. Like I I understand because you if
you leave, if you're feeling okay, maybe
you're high off adrenaline, I don't
know. And then the operation sets in of
like, holy [ __ ] this is a 10 out of 10.
I can't I need something. I get that.
But I I guess from falling down and
hurting my body a lot, like I know my
pain threshold.
>> Yeah. And when I the the worst one was
probably the putting the whole pec back
on and then attaching it, but when I
woke up I was able to like mess around
with the stress ball and I never took
one pill.
>> That's amazing.
>> And I I still have the the full bottles
of like some are labeled 2008 is when I
had my first surgery and they're just
all there.
>> There's a lot of people listening right
now going
>> count them all if they're still good.
>> But the find out where John Cena stores
to them. Yeah,
>> it was weird because the medical staff
couldn't couldn't believe it. Like
they're like, "You don't want anything."
No, because man, it's a I know how I am
with this.
>> It's Yeah, it's a [ __ ] slippery road.
>> And I would just I'd be high on opiates.
All opioids all the time.
>> I got my first knee surgery, I think, in
93 or 94, and they gave me I got an ACL
reconstruction, and they gave me
Vicodin, I think. Pretty sure it was
Vicodin. I took one one day, and I felt
so stupid. I was lying on lying on my
couch watching TV and I felt so dumb.
And my knee still hurt, you know? It was
just like it was distracting me from the
fact that my knee hurt, but I'm like, I
can't be this dumb. I'm dumb enough as
it is. I can't add to my dumbness with
pills. Like, I just saw it coming, you
know? And also, I knew a bunch of guys
who had pill problems. I w up selling my
pills to a friend of mine that would
sell pills.
>> Gosh, I I should have taken your idea.
Could have made some cash. I only made
like a couple hundred bucks or
something. I don't even remember. It was
like in the 90s. But but I remember just
that one pill. And so then every surgery
I've had ever since then. They always
offered me stuff and I never took
anything. I got my other ACL
reconstructed in 2003. Never took
anything. I got in my nose fixed. It's
like 2008. I got my nose reconstructed,
deviated septum. The guy was insisting
that I he gave me two prescriptions for
pain med medicine. And I was like, I
don't want anything. I was like, "Is it
going to get worse than this?" He's
like, "It could get." I go, "Right now,
it feels like nothing." >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> It's like, but if you've been, again,
like you, you've been beaten up so many
times your body, you're so used to just
being in pain. And I think for some
people just the the daunting anxiety of
pain itself. It's like they just want a
pill before they even realize like I
could kind of just Yeah, it sucks, but
it's not going to suck forever. It's
going to heal. So, let's just deal with
the suck and just lay here. put some ice
on it or whatever and just relax.
>> And uh along with that, it's kind of
like your your body's natural way of
saying like, "Okay, maybe push a little
bit more. Try to get a few more degrees
of range of motion in physical therapy." Like
Like
>> if if those senses are numbed, >> right,
>> right,
>> and like shut off, >> right?
>> right?
>> First of all, you you do feel just like
I don't want to do anything. you won't
work or in many cases you won't work to
do the work to get better to get or
>> you just numb.
>> You don't know the messaging. You can't
listen to your body.
>> Like if it's really really in pain,
maybe it's maybe your body's trying to
tell you something. I don't know.
>> I always assume that people feel pain
differently. I mean, I just would
imagine like like people feel hot sauce
differently. Like some people they can't
have any spice. Some people [ __ ] can
have like, you know, death peppers and
they're fine.
>> So, all right. I'll throw that out to
the group. Is pain a personal experience?
experience?
>> I mean, there's no way I'm as tough as
you guys. So, yeah, it has to be.
>> But I think in other dimensions you
might be way tougher. I don't know.
>> I don't know. Maybe I think I think
there's something.
>> You don't know, Tony.
>> I can't imagine the dimension.
>> I went and visited a firehouse the other
day and I was going down the pole going
wee. Like you guys wouldn't do that.
>> I would do that.
>> So, so in that in that aspect, you're
tougher than me.
>> Yeah. It can take ridicule and we can
take ridicule really easily, but I don't
know how what it feels like for other
people. You know what I'm saying? I
mean, I would assume that everybody
feels the same. But, you know, one of
the reasons why I think maybe it is like
it's different, but because my mom my
mom has a crazy tolerance to pain. Like
my guy who uh my stem cell guy in LA uh
my mom had a real knee issue and he was
treating her as well. And he goes, "It's
hilarious. Your mother's just like you.
She just takes it like she doesn't even
flinch. She just stick it like he's like
that doesn't happen with like 75year-old
ladies like take a needle and shove it
in their knee and and push it and she
just doesn't move
>> and you know she's like oh it wasn't
painful. It was no big deal. It's like
you know a lot of 75 year old ladies
would be [ __ ] sweating and freaking
out and seeing the needle.
>> Pretty sure I would be. Yeah.
>> But I I I I don't know you know I don't
know what it feels like to other people.
But like when I got my ACL, my right ACL
reconstructed, it was a lot easier
because it was a cadaavver. And I
recommend it to anybody. The difference
between a patella tendon graph recovery
and a cadaavver recovery is literally
like six months. The difference is it's
the cadaavver was so much quicker. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> Oh my god. Because the cadaavver they
take it I mean it's all swollen and
everything afterwards, but it's somebody
else's tendon. They take an Achilles
tendon off of a cadaavver. So it's 150%
stronger than an ACL. They [ __ ] screw
that sucker in place. Little tiny
orthoscopic holes, not nearly as
invasive. And then five days later, you
know, Matt Likenberg, I went to his
party for his birthday party 5 days
later just walking around and he was
like, "Did you just have surgery?" I go,
"Yeah, like it's not that big a deal,
>> man. It feels fine."
>> You know, it's it was so much easier.
The left one was brutal cuz they take a
slice out of your patella tendon and
then they could take a chunk out of your
shin bone and a chunk out of your
kneecap and then they use those to screw
this new tendon that they created into
the shin bone and into your your thigh
bone. That was rough.
>> That one was painful as [ __ ] And it
took a long time before it felt normal.
Took a long time before I could go down
on one knee again.
>> When was that pain? That was in the 90s.
>> And then the other one was
>> 2000 early 2000s. 200 like twoish
somewhere around that two three
>> I mean 10 more years of performing
surgeries 10 more years of
>> medical I just think it's the diff
because they still do that patella
tendon graph and I think George St.
Pierre had it done that way. I know a
bunch of people that I I'm friends with
had it done that way and I was like,
"Oh, don't do that one." Yeah,
>> do the cadaavver. But people are worried
like, "What if you get AIDS?" Like,
you're not Jesus Christ, you're not
going to get AIDS from it. Stop. And
it's also it's like
>> you feel better before you are better,
unfortunately, because the way the
tendon works. So, when they replace a
tendon with a cadaavver, it's not like
you have this guy's tendon in your body.
What it is like is that tendon is a
scaffolding and then your body
repoliferates that with your own cells.
So over the course of six months, my
body had filled in all of what used to
be a cadaavver with my own cells. So you
have you you'll feel like it's better
before it's better. So a lot of MMA
fighters, they re they start training
too quickly and they blow it out again
because it's still soft.
>> That's always the concern. It's always
>> in any you feel good and you're like,
man, I can
>> I can do this.
>> Especially animals, you know, guys who
are just used to pain and used and used
to pushing, you know, and they just pop
it out again. I know multiple MMA
fighters that have had knee surgery and
then blew it out while they were recovering
recovering
>> and just a few months more, they could
just they'd be all right. But it's
impatience. You want to get back in
there. And then it's even worse because
you got to drill into the same holes and
pull it out and open you up and it's
more invasive surgery. They got to
remove the screws and
>> [ __ ] Yeah. But I just I don't think
everybody feels pain the same. I think
it's a genetic thing. I I'm It's just an
assumption obviously because I don't
feel what other people feel. But I think
some people just any kind of pain is
just they can't function. They're
they're just in agony. And I think those
people are way more vulnerable to the pills.
pills.
That's just my assumption.
>> That's a decent perspective. I
definitely I I would agree with
pain is is a is a personal experience.
Like there there are people who
I mean I've seen people like I can't
believe you go through that. And then
people be like but you get the [ __ ]
kicked out of you. I can't believe you
do that. It's all it's all relative. I
would I would be
>> [ __ ] in cufflinks if you get that stem
cell needle out. I would be sweating
right until the [ __ ] final moment.
Like some some stuff I can't take, you
know? So I guess it is
>> it could be combined with like what we
fear in life or maybe
>> maybe fear of hard work or fear of
effort. Who knows? I don't know. I don't know.
know.
>> I think it's also being accustomed to pain,
pain,
>> you know. So if you did you wrestle when
you were younger?
>> No, I uh played football.
>> You played football. Well, that's just
like that in that you're always in pain.
I mean, if you're playing football,
you're always colliding with people.
You're always you got to have shoulders
[ __ ] with you, your backs [ __ ] with
you. It's like it's never ending.
>> I' I've always said that there's
something there's some value into losing
a fight.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Like I grew up with four brothers and we
kicked the [ __ ] out of each other and
I'm I I was not always on the winning
side. So very early on in my life as a
young person. You know what it's like to
lose a fight.
>> Oh, it's very valuable. And I think that
that's there's a lot maybe to do with
the pain conversation there of like just
flat out getting your ass kicked and
then being able to dust yourself off and
be like, I'll get you next time. You
know, like
>> it's not over. You know what I'm saying?
We're brothers. We're going to fight
again. You know, like
>> that's also knowing like why did he beat
me? What can I do to beat him next time?
You know, like if you don't have that in
your life, also if you don't know what
it feels like to get your ass kicked,
you get a little mouthy. I mean, how
many mouthy people do we know that have
never been [ __ ] up? And I think that's
why like there's real consequences if it
actually comes down. You start yelling
and you get mouthy. If it actually comes
down to it, and we've all seen many of
these videos on the internet where
someone just
>> don't they don't know what the [ __ ]
they're asking for, what they're getting
into, and then all a sudden they're
getting hit. And man, I I'm not perfect
and there are days where I'm short of
patience, but when it gets to that weird
spot of like, yo, someone's gonna get
hit in the face. I always try to like
lean on diplomacy.
>> Always. Always. Yeah.
>> Please, let's not do that cuz that
[ __ ] sucks.
>> And I bet a lot of people say to you,
"Man, if I was you, I'd be [ __ ]
everybody up." That's the dumb people
always say that. Like, it doesn't end
with that. Then this guy gets his
brother or he shoots you or they run you
over with a car
>> or you think you're going to [ __ ]
somebody up and you get [ __ ] handled, >> right?
>> right?
>> Like you never know, man. You never know
anybody else's story
>> day. You never know
>> to so many people out there that train
today. It's so much different than when
I was younger. Like you would assume
that like I assume that a good solid 10%
of all men you meet have martial arts
skills now
>> because of the UFC
>> popularity of it. Certainly certainly in
in western society it's you know the gym
there's a gym every plaza
>> also there's so many kids that like
watch UFC and then play practice with
themselves and you could learn a lot
just doing that you guys learn a lot
just watching it on TV and then
emulating it at home with their friends
>> can tell those who watch WWE because
when those moments happen they try to do
some crazy move doesn't work doesn't
>> how many guys have [ __ ] thrown their
buddy onto a conference table or
something because they thought they
thought it was the way into it.
>> It's crazy,
>> you know? I mean, the [ __ ] sheer
amount of punishment you guys put
yourself through is staggering. I mean,
it really is staggering.
>> But, uh, thank you very much. Uh, it is
is all for the good. Like, it's like a a
pro football player, pro hockey player,
UFC. I think I think the beautiful
advantage that we have is that it's we
can we can make choices on what we do.
So when you're in UFC and they close the
door, it's kind of [ __ ] best person
wins. You know, you gota it's it's
survival. When we're in WWE and we both
step in the ring and they ring the bell,
we're working together, working together
to put on the best show for the
audience. And in that process, you can
calculate the risks you want to take.
>> And I think that's what allows somebody
to be able to perform for 23 years. You
know, I I don't know. I know that that
um age-old stat that everybody says
about like the average NFL career is
what two and a half years or three and a
half years. I don't know what the stat
is on average UFC career like how long
when what's your window to be
functionally profitable in UFC. But I
know because our risks are calculated
and we're working together rather than
against each other. The math is is way
higher for you to have like a 10, 15, 20
year career
>> in WWE. But that also is 10 more years
have fallen down, 15 more years have
fallen down. So you
>> it's weird like you can choreograph the
risk, but you have to do it time and
time again. And and the schedule in WWE
just changed like
>> to do 70 matches a year now in WWE is
like, man, you you're a workhorse. We
used to do 220 230
>> which is so crazy.
>> It's 220 days of trauma in a year cuz
you're getting no matter what you're
getting some trauma. No matter what a
guy body slams you, something hap,
you're colliding, you go off the ropes,
you're smashing into each other.
>> I get such a warm feeling when uh first
timers go into the ring for the first time.
time.
>> It's like, oh, it's like a it's like a
bouncy floor and then they fall down
once and like the wind's knocked out of
them. and they're like, "My brain
moved." I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, now you
got to do that again and again." But
it's weird. I've I've uh I've gotten to
work with a lot of standups. And WWE is
kind of changing. I I would say it's on
the progression of a standup making it
to just like a stadium tour. But man,
when I performed, my sweet spot, we ran
very parallel lives. Like you I've
worked every city Hampton Beach Casino
Ballroom to Madison Square Garden like
to the Saitama Super Arena to AT&T
Stadium to Bangor Maine or to Valparezo
Indiana. Like you you go to all of these
places and it's like
>> Friday you're in one place, Saturday
you're in another place, Sunday you're
in another place, Monday you're in
another place, Tuesday you're in another
place. One day to drop your [ __ ] one
day to catch your flight out, do it again.
again.
>> Like it's it's it's kind of we we're
kind of like touring standups in that regard.
regard.
>> Very similar. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
>> And you're you're responsible for your
own trans like and I'm speaking from
mighty I don't know how it is now cuz I
got one left and then I'm done. But uh
you were responsible for your own
transportation booking your own hotels
like you you were they were just like
hey we're starting here running here.
Good luck. Which is awesome because you
create you people are really independent
when they when they go through that fire
and you weed out the people who don't
want to be there.
>> Yeah. Because the just the sheer work
the sheer workload
>> making those clubs and like making doing
a tour. It's Also the adrenaline like
it's like what do you do after a night
like that? Most jobs people can't wait
to be done and then go home and relax
and fall asleep where if you're doing
standup or obviously wrestling you were just
just
>> you're done late at night and you're
like man let the water rush. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> [ __ ] What can I do better? This [ __ ]
killed. And then it's 4 in the morning.
>> Yeah. You're buzzing. Yep. You're
buzzing. And it's also it's really hard
to have any kind of a normal
relationship because you're just
constantly not home. You're constantly
gone. Like even your friends like you
you really as a touring comic, the best
thing that I ever did is start taking
friends with me on the road. Yeah.
Instead of just working with like random
guys that I didn't know in different towns.
towns.
>> Those are fun sometimes. Sometimes like
you know two out of 10 times you meet a
new friend.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Eight out of 10 times you're with some
annoying alcoholic who, you know, who
[ __ ] sucks and and they're annoying
and then they want to take you someplace
and, you know, you get in trouble.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I mean that that's
certainly um the the normal life aspect
of it. It's also
like at full tilt. It's a it's a very
absorbing thing. It's a very selfish
thing. So, I think not only you don't
work regular office hours and you're a
nomad, a gypsy, but especially from a
WWE perspective, you you have to like
you're you're a startup founder. You
have to wake up thinking about it. You
have to think about it all day. You have
to go to sleep thinking about it. Wake
up in in the two hours of sleep that you
get being like, I remember this line or
maybe we can do this stunt or whatever.
>> Right? And it's people who are in your
sphere. At least through my perspective
and my journey, man, if if you were in
my gravity from like 2002 to like 2019,
I wasn't a part of a team. You did it my
way. Like bus leaves at 10. If you're
there at 10:01, you're [ __ ] left.
Like we're doing this and we're training
here and we're doing this and but it's
it's so it's so the end product is good.
So, like the dream job of like, man, I
never the the six-year-old kid holding
the paper belt can be an adult holding
the real belt and get shekels for doing
that. And I don't ever want to I don't
want to put that in jeopardy. So, you
[ __ ] are going to have to get in line
and we're just going to have to go.
Like, it you you know, I I I was absent
a lot in relationships because if it
wasn't on my terms, it didn't exist,
>> you know, because here you got you you
catch lightning out of a jar. I'm a kid
from West Newberry who's, you know, come
from a family of five and we there's
always more broke, but man, we were a
good level of broke and then now like,
hey, if you just work hard at this
thing, you can kind of not ever be that
again. All right, [ __ ] this. I'm doing
this thing all the time. But that comes
with, hey, I'm getting married or like
my grandfather died or I got a birthday
coming up or like, hey man, you missed
another Thanksgiving. You're damn right
I did because I'm doing the thing. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, so that it's al for me at
least it was it was that as well of like
laser focus all things WWE.
>> Well, it's that in everything that you
do where you want to really be successful.
successful.
>> It takes saying yes to the thing means
no to everything else.
>> I had Jensen Hang on the podcast the
other day who's the CEO of Nvidia and
like one of the biggest companies on
planet Earth. Huge company. [ __ ] dude
still to this day works seven days a
week. And he was talking about when he
goes on vacation, I go, "Do you go on
vacation and just put it all down?" He
goes, "No, I work." He goes, "Even when
I'm with my family, I have to work. I'm
working. I work seven days a week. I
don't take a day off. I love it." And he
goes, "And I'm terrified of failure." He
goes, "That's my motivation. My
motivation is not I want to succeed. My
motivation is fear of failure." Yeah.
Every day I show up saying, "If I don't
do this, we could fail and I'm going to
work seven days a week."
>> Everybody thinks they want to be a CEO.
You think you want to be a billionaire?
Like, you want to do that? You want to
do that when you're 60 years old? Do you
want to be working seven days a week all
day long from the moment you wake up? He
wakes up at 4:30 in the morning. He says
he answers thousands of emails a day.
I'm like, what? How are you? How is that
even [ __ ] possible? gets up at 4:30
in the morning, answers all these
emails, works all day long, constantly
problem solving, making AI chips. It's
[ __ ] crazy, right? Yeah. But that's
with everything. You want to be at the
top of the heap.
>> There's only one way.
>> Yeah. When you see something difficult
look easy,
>> there's a bunch of 4:30 in the morning
wakeups that made that happen.
>> You know,
>> I think with everything in life Yeah.
anything in life where you really want
to excel at it, there's no shortcuts.
Yeah. doesn't exist. That weeds a lot of
people out.
>> It does. It does. And there's a lot of,
man, armchair quarterback is the easiest
and best position on the field. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I can do that. All I needed to do is do this.
this.
>> Sure. Go right ahead. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Take your best shot.
>> Yeah. Good luck. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> It's It's interesting because it must
weed out so many talented people.
There's probably a lot of talented
people that you've seen over the years
that just didn't have that drive to
constantly improve and succeed and
really be thinking about what they're
doing all the time. I I like that
statement because I think the talent is
doing it all. You could you could have a
>> No, you can have one. You could smoke if
you want. I don't care.
>> We have fans in here. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. With fans suck all the smoke. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> I think this the statement of um man so
many talented people didn't make it.
They may have they may be an acrobat.
>> They may be a fast talker, but that's
not the only attribute that makes one
special. Uh, you may be a great joke
writer, but man, if if you don't master
stage presence and you be a joke a great
joke writer with stage presence, but if
you can't lug the tour, >> yeah,
>> yeah,
>> you're not you're not talented for it.
>> Well, it's it's really the grind.
>> It is everything the all-encompassing
thing. So when someone with great
athletic ability decides that it's not
for them because eventually that is we
one thing about WWE um for all the
arguments of like backstage politico
everybody understands the sound of money
>> and no one refuses it like I [ __ ]
hate this guy but I got to give him
another match. It may not be, but I now
have to give them a 10-year contract.
But when they go out there, if the noise
is there, even if the they [ __ ] hate
you, you get another match. I'm I am
proof positive of that meritocracy at work.
work. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Like everybody [ __ ] hated me.
>> Why' they hate you?
>> I was just real different. Like I
>> I was just really different. In what way?
way? >> Um
>> Um
>> so I didn't rock I didn't ruffle any
feathers when I kind of uh entered the
business. kept quiet, did my stuff, but
I also didn't connect with the audience
and and and I don't know, maybe you guys
see this in standup or not, but then I
got like a personality of like the the
white rap guy, like the the white
hip-hop guy.
>> You know about that? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But like I [ __ ] went I [ __ ] went
all in,
>> you know, urban gear, like and I'm a
hip-hop head, so it's like, oh man, this
is my sweet spot. This is the the the
avenue. This isn't all of my
personality, but this is one level that
I can show that I think everyone will
get. So, if you go to Madison Square
Garden, you get it. But if we go to
Wheeling, West Virginia, you'll also get
it. And you may like it in some places
and hate it in some places, but everyone
will get it. I will not be selling apathy.
apathy.
But in doing that,
>> I never followed dress code. I was
saying disrespectful [ __ ] about my
peers. Like, I kind of did it my own
way. M.
>> So, I was I was kind of ruffling some
feathers backstage or just I was taking
big swings cuz I was going to [ __ ]
get fired anyway. The alternative was
lose my job. So, I was like, "Fuck it.
I'm going down swinging." >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And then the people behind the curtain
were like, "Ah, the kid's disrespectful
to the business. He doesn't care about
the business." All the while, I just
want to keep my [ __ ] job, you know?
So the they behind the curtain weren't
really invested, but they were also
humble enough to be like, "There's noise
out there. Got to give them another
match and one match at a time. Times 23
years of compounding interest. We're here."
here."
>> What did Vince think about your hip-hop?
>> Hated it and then loved it.
>> He hated it and then loved it. And and I
think I think I'm thinking for somebody,
but I think from his perspective is like
when I hear somebody's idea for a
personality, man, I want to be this
sports agent guy or whatever. Oh, yo, I
have I have the idea of what that is in
my head. And if their projection of that
idea doesn't match my projection that
idea, I'm like, ah, [ __ ] I hate it. But
that doesn't mean it can't work. So, I
think what maybe what happened was my
perspective of the white hip hop guy
from the mean street of West Newberry
and Vince's perspective of John Cena the
rapper we probably missed. Like he had
an idea and I had an idea and usually he
will craft it to to his vision. I got to
give him respect for allowing me to to
kind of to run with it, you know. Well,
it's probably that fear of fire being
fired that like keeps you on the edge.
>> Dude, that was it. Of like uh the Nvidia
guy of like I don't want to fail. Yeah,
I I got the sit down of like, hey, we're
going to cut you
>> cuz it's not working. Like you you're
out there for your matches. You hear the
same. It's not working. And I there's no
argument there. I'm like [ __ ] all
right. I got to touch the sun. I got to
make it. I got to play for the Yankees.
I got my one at bat. I'm Moonlight
Graham. And then they heard me rap in
the back of the bus and was like, "Man,
Stephanie heard me rap in the back of
the bus." >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And was like, "Yo, you want to do that
on TV?" I'm like, "Lose my job or
[ __ ] rap?" "Yeah, let's go. Let's
Let's do this." >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it was Stephanie's idea.
>> And it was a [ __ ] accident, dude. It
was an accident. It's my final my final
overseas tour for the WWE.
>> And the boys just spend time. Like,
that's the one time they get the whole
group together is overseas because you
don't want to be hurting cats like in
Amsterdam or something. Everybody rides
on the bus. You go from town to town. So
like to pass the time, the boys just do
whatever. And they were freestyling in
the back of the bus. And I normally just
[ __ ] kept to myself because I was
raised in the environment of like keep
your ears open, keep your mouth shut,
don't do anything unless spoken to. So I
I did that, but I didn't I also didn't
make any connections with people who
were putting their lives on the line for me.
me.
>> You know, some of the guys you you
really beat the [ __ ] out of in the rings
are like your best friends. Uh, so I
didn't have any of those connections and
I heard these guys rapping. I just
remember playing Roller Coaster Tycoon
on my laptop, fold that [ __ ] up, putting
it away and be like, I'm going to the
back of the bus and just waited my turn
and then filleted like 12 guys. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And Stephanie was like, "How the [ __ ]
did you remember all that?" I'm like,
"No, no, it's freestyle. You just make
it up." And she's like, "Well, make up
something about me." And we were
boarding a plane. And I literally like
utilized the plane, the people getting
on the plane, what she was wearing, what
she was eating. She's like, "Would you
do this on TV?"
>> And that's where we got a chance.
>> Wow. That's
>> It wasn't like off to the moon. Like, I
got a a shitty chance on a small spot
and that worked.
>> So then I got moved to like the dog [ __ ]
Saturday night program that nobody
watches. But the cool thing is no one's
watching. So like I could do whatever I
wanted. So, I started saying more racy
[ __ ] and dressing more outlandish and
having more personality and like
claiming ownership of the show. I call
myself Mr. Saturday Night and it's the
shitty show. You don't want to be Mr.
Saturday Night, but I did
>> and then I got another match and got
another match and one by one it kind of
brought me here. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> Just a [ __ ] happy accident, man.
>> That's crazy.
>> All the way to
>> even when the bells were like, "Hey, you
want the whole thing's a [ __ ]
accident. You want to start training?
[ __ ] yeah, sure." All right, great. And
you want to start rapping? Yeah, [ __ ]
it. Sure. Let's see what happens.
>> That's amazing.
>> It's a happy accident.
>> And for it to go all the way to last
year's massive heel turn. He went heel,
>> dude. And I
>> That was this year, by the way.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that was this year. Yeah,
it's been a it's crazy year.
>> Yeah, that was I was at Mania and man,
one literally perhaps I other than maybe
Hogan, right? The greatest heel turn in
wrestling history when a good good good
good crowd-pleasing guy goes bad bad and
dark. You had moments the things you
were saying, the way you were saying
them. Epic, iconic, iconic heel turn.
Cold, dark, working with the rock. He
was in cahoots. That's the good guy, Cody.
Cody.
>> You can like see the people's faces.
That That's the fun thing. It's like uh
the stuff is so simple, but it's it's
the if you take out the crowd in that
situation and just put those three guys,
it is really [ __ ] up what we do. But
when you add the audience in the back
and all of their faces and what's going
on, that's what makes
>> Bro, even your face, you you you got
like a mean guy face all of a sudden.
It's like you look like a different person.
person.
>> That's interesting.
>> I was having a bad day.
>> Well, this is also when you'd already
done a bunch of acting.
>> Uh, yes. Like this is this year. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. This is uh February this year. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> How much of the creative control do you
have over the aspects of that heel turn?
Like for example, one thing that I
thought was the coolest, I was I was in
the front row of WrestleMania behind the
Spanish announce table. So I'm directly
across from the entrance, you know, the
giant Wrestleman is a football stadium
in Las Vegas and there was no music and
it was a black background. Normally he's
the most color with the most iconic
>> loud wild music. No music, black
background, and in white letters it just
said Cena. And you just walked out with
literally the statement was I'm not here
to entertain you people basically is
what it felt like. And I loved it. I
mean, this is the main event of Mania.
>> You are so entertained. I mean, I want
to entertain you. [ __ ] I [ __ ] up.
>> Yeah, I have a I'm a I have a the degree
in pro wrestling, but my masters is in
healom. Like it's like the bad I just
love a bad guy. And even ever since that
bad guy turn I feel like and I feel like
most bad guy fans do now newly connected
with the back to the return of the good
guy scene.
>> Yeah. There it is.
>> Oh, I mean it's it was literally just
>> I used to come out like a Tasmanian
devil and then just just reversed it all.
all.
>> And it seems like nothing but it's iconic.
iconic.
just cold as ice. Everyone else for four
hours coming out with colorful music and
pyro and all this stuff. And there's the
guy that normally did it the best and
the biggest just really not giving a [ __ ]
[ __ ]
>> And Wrestlemania, if you're going to do
it, like you you'd give your best
entrance for Wrestlemania. And this was
I guess we were going for the shittiest one.
one.
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Limited time offer. So like for example
those things those details that's you
mostly pitching to the creative team
like like for example like the even just
the white letters the black entrance is
that how does that kind of come together?
together?
>> So I think that's um I and I've been
lucky enough to kind of take this
perspective of not knowing everything
and realizing that even even with 23
years of fluency I'm not the smartest
guy in the room. I don't know the
technology they have and what they can
do. Now granted, a black LED board, I I
could probably come up with that, but
what I what I'd like to do is lean on my
resources. Like, hey, let's go to
production and see what production is
thinking. And I I don't want to tell
them what to do because I want to hear
their ideas first. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And production was like, what if we just
went basic? I'm like, how basic can you go?
go? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> What if we just blacked everything out?
Yeah. But I know from what you guys have
said, you also like to light the No. No.
What if we just black everything out?
You guys would do that. Oh, that sucks.
Yeah, let's do that. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it's not it's not me with all of
these things. I don't I don't have
enough depth of field to touch all the
bases, but I will go to every department.
department. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And say like, okay, entrance is a big
part of what we do. What do we do for
lighting? What do we do for production?
Go to camera. Like, how do you guys want
to shoot it? And then it trickles down
when you talk to the talent you're
working with. How do we portray this
message? Uh and then of course it starts
at the top with creatively, I want to make you a bad guy, so we're going to do
make you a bad guy, so we're going to do that. Okay, sure. We're going to do
that. Okay, sure. We're going to do that. How do you want to do that? But
that. How do you want to do that? But it's I think it's getting we have a lot
it's I think it's getting we have a lot of talented people and just allowing
of talented people and just allowing them to do their job and and let you
them to do their job and and let you know like, oh, I was kind of thinking
know like, oh, I was kind of thinking this and then tell them, yeah, that's a
this and then tell them, yeah, that's a good idea. Let's do that.
good idea. Let's do that. >> Yeah. You know,
>> Yeah. You know, >> it's amazing
>> it's amazing >> because I don't know what I don't know
>> because I don't know what I don't know what I miss if I'm making all the
what I miss if I'm making all the demands.
demands. >> To show you the contrast, his opponent
>> To show you the contrast, his opponent that night came out to I think it was 40
that night came out to I think it was 40 people on red, white, and blue dirt
people on red, white, and blue dirt bikes all dressed like American people.
bikes all dressed like American people. He comes out
He comes out >> elevated from inside of the stage
>> elevated from inside of the stage wearing this super goddy mask that he
wearing this super goddy mask that he has to take off. Fireworks, fireworks,
has to take off. Fireworks, fireworks, fire, sparks, smoke, all of these
fire, sparks, smoke, all of these different things. And he just comes out
different things. And he just comes out blankfaced. I just got my bunk sock on
blankfaced. I just got my bunk sock on the back. Just
the back. Just >> run on.
>> run on. >> There you go.
>> There you go. >> It's so funny hearing Tony talk about
>> It's so funny hearing Tony talk about this because for people who don't know,
this because for people who don't know, the way Tony runs Kill Tony is basically
the way Tony runs Kill Tony is basically a version of a WWE event. I mean, it
a version of a WWE event. I mean, it really is like when he does the arena
really is like when he does the arena shows, he's has everything set up like a
shows, he's has everything set up like a WWE event.
WWE event. >> Yeah. I mean, even the thing we did with
>> Yeah. I mean, even the thing we did with Shane when when Shane was playing when
Shane when when Shane was playing when Shane was playing Trump when Trump and I
Shane was playing Trump when Trump and I were supposedly feuding online, Trump
were supposedly feuding online, Trump had said something about me online and
had said something about me online and then uh Trump's talking [ __ ] like as
then uh Trump's talking [ __ ] like as Shane's talking [ __ ] and then the music
Shane's talking [ __ ] and then the music plays and I show up behind him. It's
plays and I show up behind him. It's pure pro wrestling.
pure pro wrestling. >> Oh yeah,
>> Oh yeah, >> it's pure pro wrestling.
>> it's pure pro wrestling. >> And MSG's on their feet shocked. You
>> And MSG's on their feet shocked. You know, you're surprising this crowd that
know, you're surprising this crowd that thinks they're just there for a comedy
thinks they're just there for a comedy show and well there's the panel. I guess
show and well there's the panel. I guess that's what we're going to have tonight.
that's what we're going to have tonight. But the surprises, the ups, the downs.
But the surprises, the ups, the downs. And then he brings up Joey Diaz. So it's
And then he brings up Joey Diaz. So it's like boom boom. Kind of like that big
like boom boom. Kind of like that big finish at Mania that I was talking about
finish at Mania that I was talking about like superstar bringing up a superstar,
like superstar bringing up a superstar, you know, music, music, smoke, fire.
you know, music, music, smoke, fire. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> All these little things.
>> All these little things. >> The more the more you make it important,
>> The more the more you make it important, the more important it becomes.
the more important it becomes. >> Yeah. As when what he's saying is like
>> Yeah. As when what he's saying is like when Trump was there, this was as Trump
when Trump was there, this was as Trump was running for president and Trump
was running for president and Trump thought that I was endorsing RFK. So he
thought that I was endorsing RFK. So he got mad at me. So I said I am here to
got mad at me. So I said I am here to endorse someone and I brought out Joey
endorse someone and I brought out Joey Diaz. I mean
Diaz. I mean >> which is great because you're going to
>> which is great because you're going to get a reveal but you get a different
get a reveal but you get a different reveal and it's like
reveal and it's like >> and everybody went nuts and but it's
>> and everybody went nuts and but it's like the audience they are into it like
like the audience they are into it like they're into pro wrestling. They want
they're into pro wrestling. They want all the heel turns. They want all the
all the heel turns. They want all the chaos. They want all the the the
chaos. They want all the the the pageantry and the the fire and the
pageantry and the the fire and the explosions and all the [ __ ]
explosions and all the [ __ ] >> Man, you get you get any live audience,
>> Man, you get you get any live audience, they're into all that. Like watch a
they're into all that. Like watch a college football game, watch a soccer
college football game, watch a soccer game overseas or or football as they
game overseas or or football as they would say. Like
would say. Like >> the fans, it's it's like a group think
>> the fans, it's it's like a group think of energy.
of energy. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> That's [ __ ] nuts.
>> That's [ __ ] nuts. >> Like audiences want it. It doesn't
>> Like audiences want it. It doesn't matter where you're at. Like what
matter where you're at. Like what >> man, when comics just go out and light
>> man, when comics just go out and light up a stage and they have that [ __ ]
up a stage and they have that [ __ ] stage presence and they just slay a set,
stage presence and they just slay a set, the [ __ ] audience is rolling in the
the [ __ ] audience is rolling in the aisles. like they you you let the you
aisles. like they you you let the you let them in and they they can help make
let them in and they they can help make a joke that might not hit the night
a joke that might not hit the night before. Slay like it's it's all about
before. Slay like it's it's all about the moment. It's all about being there
the moment. It's all about being there and and reading the people. And the the
and and reading the people. And the the fun thing about WWE is you can you can
fun thing about WWE is you can you can go out there with an idea and and kind I
go out there with an idea and and kind I can only imagine this as kind of like
can only imagine this as kind of like standup where if you got your set and
standup where if you got your set and you tell the first joke to crickets,
you tell the first joke to crickets, >> you may try another joke and if that's
>> you may try another joke and if that's crickets, you got to [ __ ] pivot.
crickets, you got to [ __ ] pivot. >> Yeah. So, we go out, we go out and do
>> Yeah. So, we go out, we go out and do something
something >> and oh man, they're into it. Great. All
>> and oh man, they're into it. Great. All right, we have them. We just got to
right, we have them. We just got to maintain their attention until we get to
maintain their attention until we get to act three essentially.
act three essentially. >> But if you hear [ __ ] crickets, you're
>> But if you hear [ __ ] crickets, you're like, "All right, we're switching it up.
like, "All right, we're switching it up. [ __ ] pivot right now."
[ __ ] pivot right now." >> And you That's the beauty. That's That's
>> And you That's the beauty. That's That's one of the things that I love the most
one of the things that I love the most is the
is the >> It's not just me and the other person
>> It's not just me and the other person out there. Like the audience is the act
out there. Like the audience is the act every like that moment only means
every like that moment only means something. If you put a blue screen
something. If you put a blue screen behind the people, it is super [ __ ]
behind the people, it is super [ __ ] up. Like, what the [ __ ] are they doing
up. Like, what the [ __ ] are they doing and why does that mean anything,
and why does that mean anything, >> right?
>> right? >> But when you let the level of the
>> But when you let the level of the audience and everybody's on their feet
audience and everybody's on their feet and they go, "No." Like,
and they go, "No." Like, >> it's [ __ ] everything. It's
>> it's [ __ ] everything. It's everything.
everything. >> That's why Tonyy's so interested in the
>> That's why Tonyy's so interested in the coordination of it all and the setting
coordination of it all and the setting and the sabotage and all the chaos
and the sabotage and all the chaos that's involved in all of it.
that's involved in all of it. >> But these are these are human emotions
>> But these are these are human emotions that are universal. Mhm.
that are universal. Mhm. >> Everyone understands betrayal, jealousy,
>> AND he fell. He's yelling. >> 40 million people. Is that right? The
>> 40 million people. Is that right? The number of views in the corner. 40
number of views in the corner. 40 million.
million. >> Unbelievable.
>> Unbelievable. >> Wow. No,
>> Wow. No, >> man. Look at that.
>> man. Look at that. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> They raced a couple times.
>> They raced a couple times. >> Yeah, they raced a bunch of times.
>> Yeah, they raced a bunch of times. >> And the the other didn't that other guy,
>> And the the other didn't that other guy, he played football, right?
he played football, right? >> Not in the NFL, but I think like college
>> Not in the NFL, but I think like college football or something.
football or something. >> Look at this [ __ ] size of him, too.
>> Look at this [ __ ] size of him, too. The other guy's [ __ ] super jacked.
The other guy's [ __ ] super jacked. Like, that's his whole thing. His online
Like, that's his whole thing. His online content is him running, being super
content is him running, being super jacked, and he has to deal with I show
jacked, and he has to deal with I show speed talking [ __ ] to him. And he's
speed talking [ __ ] to him. And he's saying like, "Look, play some of this."
saying like, "Look, play some of this." >> The first one I slip. Second one, you
>> The first one I slip. Second one, you barely beat me. Let's run it again. Do I
barely beat me. Let's run it again. Do I got to beat you three times?
got to beat you three times? >> Come on, let's do it.
>> Come on, let's do it. >> See, see, when I see that, right,
>> See, see, when I see that, right, >> let's go again.
>> let's go again. >> Excuses.
>> Excuses. >> What is it? 25.
>> What is it? 25. >> 26.
>> That's hilarious. It's talking so much [ __ ]
[ __ ] >> So, I see this and be like, "This kid
>> So, I see this and be like, "This kid should be a wrestler,
should be a wrestler, >> right? Yeah,
>> right? Yeah, >> because he is athletic and he can talk
>> because he is athletic and he can talk [ __ ] and back it up. My god, this kid
[ __ ] and back it up. My god, this kid would he would be a 20 time champion.
would he would be a 20 time champion. Whatever. No, he should do this.
Whatever. No, he should do this. >> Are they running barefoot on the [ __ ]
>> Are they running barefoot on the [ __ ] concrete? They have shoes on.
concrete? They have shoes on. >> Oh, really?
>> Oh, really? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Uh,
>> Uh, bad bad decision.
>> that was pretty close. Yeah, but he started before. Yeah.
started before. Yeah. >> For me is still lost.
>> For me is still lost. >> For me is still lost.
>> Like he should he should be doing that. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> But like you see the sprinting
>> But like you see the sprinting potential. I see the WWE potential. He
potential. I see the WWE potential. He should do neither. He should just do
should do neither. He should just do that,
that, >> right? He's already done. I can't
>> right? He's already done. I can't probably want him to do it again.
probably want him to do it again. >> Oh my I I think he did a thing. He just
>> Oh my I I think he did a thing. He just went to like the Performance Center and
went to like the Performance Center and did a thing and like
did a thing and like >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> He's really good.
>> He's really good. >> Really good.
>> Really good. >> He's got great instincts. He's got great
>> He's got great instincts. He's got great timing.
timing. >> That's amazing.
>> That's amazing. >> Yeah. and he's only 20.
>> Yeah. and he's only 20. >> I mean, there's now like this is like
>> I mean, there's now like this is like full multi- camera really good shooting
full multi- camera really good shooting and he's speed versus pros, I think, cuz
and he's speed versus pros, I think, cuz he's kind of doing that idea you just
he's kind of doing that idea you just said.
said. >> Yeah. Like where he goes he goes to
>> Yeah. Like where he goes he goes to people's uh
people's uh >> Look at that. 46.2 million subscribers
>> Look at that. 46.2 million subscribers on YouTube. That's wild.
on YouTube. That's wild. >> Yeah. So, I think I think like he should
>> Yeah. So, I think I think like he should just do that, you know, whatever
just do that, you know, whatever whatever he's doing.
whatever he's doing. >> I mean, he's obviously doing it. Does he
>> I mean, he's obviously doing it. Does he have like a team behind him? That's [ __ ]
have like a team behind him? That's [ __ ] now.
now. >> Probably. Oh, look at that. He's
>> Probably. Oh, look at that. He's learning how to do flips.
learning how to do flips. >> Oh, that's crazy. So, he's really in it.
>> Oh, that's crazy. So, he's really in it. >> Yeah. And I think it's just like show up
>> Yeah. And I think it's just like show up for a few days and then go on to the
for a few days and then go on to the next discipline.
next discipline. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> So, he he does everything.
>> So, he he does everything. >> Smart. Very smart.
>> Smart. Very smart. >> He spent all summer going to a city
>> He spent all summer going to a city every day. Everything was live stream
every day. Everything was live stream for like 24 hours straight. They'd go to
for like 24 hours straight. They'd go to a city, show up. What's the coolest
a city, show up. What's the coolest thing to do in the city
thing to do in the city >> and do it?
>> and do it? >> Do it. That's
>> Do it. That's >> like what kind of [ __ ] was he doing?
>> like what kind of [ __ ] was he doing? >> Go to the fair, go ride all rides, try
>> Go to the fair, go ride all rides, try all the games. There's a bunch of kids
all the games. There's a bunch of kids following around. Next day they were
following around. Next day they were here in Austin going to Terry Blacks.
here in Austin going to Terry Blacks. >> I think he went and did standup with
>> I think he went and did standup with Mark Norman at like in New York City.
Mark Norman at like in New York City. >> Like that's a very cool he went on stage
>> Like that's a very cool he went on stage for a second.
for a second. >> That's wild that he's so young, too.
>> That's wild that he's so young, too. Only 20.
Only 20. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> That talented
>> That talented >> and just just brave and courageous and
>> and just just brave and courageous and going for it. Like that's
going for it. Like that's >> regardless of what you and I think he's
>> regardless of what you and I think he's doing exactly what he should be doing,
doing exactly what he should be doing, you No, you should just keep doing that.
you No, you should just keep doing that. >> And obviously not getting in his own
>> And obviously not getting in his own way.
way. >> Not right at all. All the things you're
>> Not right at all. All the things you're saying like capitalizing on every
saying like capitalizing on every opportunity.
opportunity. >> Story yet to be told.
>> Story yet to be told. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Story yet still got a still got a lot of
>> Story yet still got a still got a lot of life left.
life left. >> Oh yeah. A lot of life left. Yeah.
>> Oh yeah. A lot of life left. Yeah. >> We'll see. He's doing he's doing great
>> We'll see. He's doing he's doing great so far.
so far. >> Yeah. Amazing.
>> Yeah. Amazing. >> Uh I think we wrap this up. It [ __ ]
>> Uh I think we wrap this up. It [ __ ] awesome podcast. I really enjoyed it.
awesome podcast. I really enjoyed it. Thank you very much. It is um it is a
Thank you very much. It is um it is a real a real big opportunity for you to
real a real big opportunity for you to have me on here because uh the the the
have me on here because uh the the the WWE folks that you have had. I think I'm
WWE folks that you have had. I think I'm still I only got one date left, but I
still I only got one date left, but I still think I'm the active one. I hope
still think I'm the active one. I hope uh this experience has been good for you
uh this experience has been good for you guys.
guys. >> Oh, it's been amazing.
>> Oh, it's been amazing. >> I hope you have more of the the guys and
>> I hope you have more of the the guys and gals from us in on your show.
gals from us in on your show. Absolutely. Every one of them's got a
Absolutely. Every one of them's got a great story.
great story. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think your
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think your philosophy is contagious and I think
philosophy is contagious and I think it's really good for people to hear and
it's really good for people to hear and I think there's a lot of young people
I think there's a lot of young people out there that are really going to
out there that are really going to benefit from a lot of the things you
benefit from a lot of the things you said cuz I think it's rock solid.
said cuz I think it's rock solid. >> That means a lot coming from you. Thank
>> That means a lot coming from you. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
you so much. I appreciate it. >> My pleasure.
>> My pleasure. >> Tony, you're the man.
>> Tony, you're the man. >> Awesome. Thank you guys.
>> Awesome. Thank you guys. >> Appreciate you.
>> Appreciate you. >> Just call it.
>> Just call it. >> Bye everybody. Pow.
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