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Digital Public Infrastructure (DPI) is a transformative force for economic growth and inclusion, enabling countries to "do more with less" by leveraging foundational digital building blocks like identity and payments, but its success hinges on being designed for the public good, nation-led, and grounded in user trust.
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We [music] give them services in terms
of getting their withdrawals and
deposits done and opening their accounts.
>> We are building digital identity [music]
for the underprivileged nations of the
world. Our hope is to make it easy for
people to be part of the digital economy.
This system is going to [music]
bring the underbanked and underserved
People [music] depend on me especially
pension holders. We have to give them a
good service. People
People
have come [music] accustomed to digital
payment system, people are demanding more.
more.
>> When we see [music] that we have
millions of people who have been issued
IDs, it actually gives us a sense of
satisfaction on one [music] hand, but it
also shows us that we have billions more
to cover.
>> It feels rewarding to know that my work
is [music]
impacting someone beyond me, but it also
>> We can take a round of applause. Thank
From digital identity systems to
integrated payment systems. Ladies and
gentlemen, this next session is going to
be about surfacing some of the
leadership choices, the policy choices
and we are so so grateful that we have
uh Mr. Sanjay Jane uh who is the DPI
director at the Gates Foundation who has
graciously extended his time to be with
us today and will be kicking off this
particular session uh with some remarks
to help us frame this conversation.
Very soon thereafter, ladies and
gentlemen, we're going to be broadening
the conversation and welcoming some of
the leaders that you are seeing on
screen. We have uh her excellency
Veronica Anduva here with us. She is of
course the secretary general uh of the
East African community and from her will
lead into uh some of the efforts in uh
DPI that are emanating out of the East
African community and the extent to
which they are fueling regional
integration. and they are deepening
trade and of course unlocking growth. We
are going to be also making our way to
West Africa where we're going to be
hearing from Mr. Premier Ouo who is the
managing director and chief executive
officer of the Nigeria interbank
settlement system and really getting
into the conversation of what does it
take to build trust and confidence in
digital payment systems. And it is quite
fitting that while we find ourselves
here in South Africa on the eve of the
G20 summit that we take a moment to
reflect backwards and hear from somebody
who comes from the presidency in Brazil
and that is of course Madame Beatatric
uh uh Vasconteos. Uh I had to make sure
that I get my pronunciation right there.
Uh she is the deputy secretary uh for
digital transformation in the presidency
in Brazil. And so she too will be
sharing some of her thoughts of the
journey uh of DPI not only in Brazil in
the broader region but most importantly
what do we carry on uh from the G20 in
Brazil back here and into South Africa.
So it's going to be an absolutely
phenomenal uh conversation. But what's
left for me to do at this particular
moment is to ask you to join me in a
very warm Captonian South African
African round of applause as we welcome
Sanjay onto the podium. Let's give him a
Thank you Nipo. I want to first call out
the critical moments because it shows
why the work you all are doing is so
important. The first two decades of the
21st century brought more progress for
more people in more places than at any
time in history. The number of kids
dying before their fifth birthdays has
fallen by half. The number of people
living in extreme poverty has fallen by
2/3. Today, however, the resources to
help continue that progress are being
abruptly cut back with countries
slashing more than $30 billion in aid
over the past year alone. In a future of
more limited resources, we have two
options. We can resign ourselves to
slower progress or as Nandan just
pointed out, we can work smarter with
the resources that we do have,
harnessing new technologies to help
countries do more with less. And that's
where you all come in. Your work is
creating exciting new possibilities to
connect people affordably and at scale
with the information, services, and
resources they need to create better
lives for themselves. Uh with that, I
want to introduce you to MSCO. Uh MSCO
is a small holder farmer in the Oroia
region of Ethiopia. As you know, many
small holder farmers, particularly
women, have long been disconnected from
information about things like the seed
varieties that can withstand changing
weather patterns and from the markets
that they need to sell their crops at a
fair price. They're often forced to sell
through middlemen who offer them below
market price and pocket the rest.
Fortunately, Ethiopia has been
developing DPI that enables tools and
services to support these farmers. Using
Ethiopia's digital ID system, FIDA, MSCU
will soon be able to register as a
farmer, geotag her land, and use AI
enabled tools to get the information in
the language she speaks, tailored to the
soil and weather patterns she
experiences so that she can boost her
yields and grow a greater variety of
more resilient crops. She can then see
the fair market price for those crops
and sell directly to buyers using
Ethiopia's e- payments apparass so that
her work earns what it deserves. And
that's just the beginning. In the coming
years, we hope that if she gets
pregnant, she'll be able to go to the
clinic, connect to her patient record
using her digital identity, and use AI
enabled antiatal sensors to see if she
has a an at risk pregnancy. By the time
her child is in school, she'll be able
to pay his school fees digitally, and
his teachers will have access to online
curriculum that gives them a clear
picture of what he's mastered, what he's
struggling with, and what tools they can
use to help him learn. As he grows, he
will have a digital diploma that
simplifies the process of applying to
jobs or further schooling. He'll be able
to set aside money in a digital savings
account, so he has resources to invest
in his future. And if he needs a loan,
he'll have a financial record that
allows him to borrow money at a fair
price so he can pursue his goals.
Multiply possibilities like these across
an entire population, and you can see
how DPI will be transformative for
building human capital and spurring
economic growth. But meeting this
potential is not inevitable. In order
for the countries represented in this
room and beyond to reap the full
benefits of DPI, these systems must be
designed for the public good led by
nations themselves and grounded in the
trust of the people who use them. I'll
take each of these in turn. First, as
nations invest in digitalization, many
partners have come forward offering to
help countries build digital tools. But
we have seen that in some cases, these
tools aren't as effective as countries
hope. uh either because they're designed
to extract a significant profit or
because they're designed for a specific
use case and don't integrate with other
key digital services. So we should be
clear about what actually defines DPI
and makes it so powerful. Uh we at the
Gates Foundation are aligned with the
World Bank's definition which
establishes DPI as foundational reusable
and digital building blocks such as
digital payments, identity and data
sharing designed for the public benefit.
Second, we know that countries at the
beginning of their digital journey for
them to create the kind of DPI that has
taken others over a decade to build and
refine can seem like a massive and
complex undertaking, especially when
donors come in offering digital aid in
the form of many discrete digitalization
projects. That's why the foundation and
our partners have focused on developing
tools and technical assistance that puts
countries in control. We have invested
in tools that combine the best ideas
from DPI deployments across the world
into open source platforms that allow
countries to customize the technology to
meet their own unique needs. Uh MOSIP
for identity systems and Mojaloop for
payment systems. Countries have also had
success working with private sector
partners or creating their own versions
of core digital services. Our goal is to
help the world move in the words of
Prime Minister Modi from a time of
digital aid to digital empowerment. So
we are encouraging donors to rally
around platforms like the World Bank DPI
trust fund or co-develop that offer
coordinated support and put countries in
the driver's seat as they develop their
own DPI strategies. That brings me to
the third and perhaps most essential
attribute of DPI that it is grounded in
the trust of the people who use it.
We've already heard about how vital it
is that people trust these systems and
have confidence that their personal data
or hardearned resources will be secure.
Yesterday when Maduker asked people in
this room how to design DPI, trust,
inclusion and interoperability were at
the top of that list. So establishing
appropriate policies and regulations to
make DPI safe, secure, and inclusive is
just as important as building the tech
platforms themselves. A great start has
been made at the global level with the
universal DPI safeguards framework which
nations like Nigeria, South Africa and
Brazil have focused on putting into
place. It's absolutely critical that
countries get this right and invest in
digital public infrastructure that is
for the public good nationled and
grounded in the trust of their own
people. The countries who do have this
foundational infrastructure in place
will have extraordinary possibilities at
their fingertips to build the next
generation tools and services that can
transform societies if that is they
focus on developing them for the people
who need them most. Just this morning,
co-develop shared the results of a
survey of everyday people in six African
countries. One of the key findings
centered on entrepreneurship. people
said they would feel encouraged to start
or grow a business if key elements of
DPI were in place. Four in 10 cited
secure digital payments and one in three
cited digital identity. So the final
point I I will leave you with today is
we have seen time and again that new
technologies almost always benefit the
rich first unless we intentionally focus
on designing them to meet the needs of
poor and marginalized communities. These
days people tend to talk a lot about how
the challenges facing the world have
never been greater but the truth is
neither are the opportunity.
>> Thank you so very much uh for those
remarks ladies and gentlemen. We're
going to be building on some of these
insights some design imperatives that
have been highlighted uh uh DPI that is
a public good that is nationled and of
course is built on the foundations of
trust. an underlying view on a
transition from digital aid to digital
empowerment. What does this look like in
practice? And so I'm going to invite uh
our panelists to please kindly join me
up on stage. Once again, let's give a
warm round of applause uh for her
excellency Veronica Duva. Let me welcome
Beatatric uh as well as Premier. Please
Thank you so much uh for making the time
to join us. We have limited time, but I
do think that uh there are some uh areas
that we can double click on as we build
on some of the insights that Sanjay has
shared. Um Madame Secretary General, let
me maybe start off with you. Um, one of
the things that Sunday says is that he
says that DPI is a once- in a generation
opportunity that allows us to do more
with less. take us to the East African
community and in particular what's
coming out of the partner states and
what I'm more interested in is not so
much what they're doing individually
within their national boundaries but
what is being elevated to the regional
level that is driving regional
integration potentially deepening uh
trade opportunities and even driving growth.
growth.
>> Sure. Um, thank you so much Nosy and
great presentation from Sanjay and I
particularly take away opportunities
have never been more than they are
today. So the East African community is
certainly taking advantage of this and I
I will sum it this way with everything
that each of our partner states is doing
what we are doing as a region is to
consolidate to collaborate and to
cooperate. Sure. um because we know for
you to advance in DPI there has to be um
cross a crossborder um sense of doing
things together we have to share we have
to make sure that we are talking to each
other and uh allow me to just I've I've
seen so many examples of the payments uh
the empessa is something that we are
very proud of uh back in East Africa but
allow me to just share two two examples
and I'll base this on the fact that we
exist as a community to promote trade,
free movement of people, goods and
services. And one of the things that we
are very proud of is the single customs
territory. All our partner states can
talk to each other moving um transport
logistics, the customs uh declaration
forms and we are able because of talking
to that we have a dashboard where we can
track movement of goods. We can look at
the driver identification. we can see
where a truck is at any one time and
because of this um investment um trade
has moved from uh movement from border
let's say Ronda Bundi to Dala Mombasa 21
days to 4 days. The second example I
will give is uh East African regional
payments settlement system um where we
are investing in making sure that our
traders can exchange money without the
money having to go to New York first and
because of this we have uh now come up
with a master plan. >> Sure.
>> Sure.
>> And the master plan is under
implementation and that basically
requires resources and all that. So we I
I guess to finalize is to say that we
have managed to do a lot with less
because of the certain conditions that
we face uh that have been highlighted
here including the fragmented digital
ecosystems, the challenges in
harmonization of the policies where we
are now making progress with the East
Africa digital uh framework uh strategy
transformation strategy and so perhaps
I'll say more but I think I want to stop
there for now just to kick off things.
Thank you.
>> I think it's a it's a fantastic opening.
Um you speak about consolidation,
collaboration, and cooperation. And
we're going to double click on that to
get a good sense of uh practically what
has that uh looked like and meant. But
one of the things that stands out for me
again is to go back to the earlier
comment uh by Mr.
to say this is an example of deep
conviction because in order to achieve
everything that you've spoken to at a
regional level there has to be political
will uh as a foundational point um off
which uh some of these regional efforts
are then built. Let me then take us to
uh let's go to Nigeria first. Premier
let me come to you. I want to um look at
the digital payments conversation with
you and and in particular uh look at African
African
is Nigeria's first uh domestic card.
What's quite interesting has been the
adoption uh by merchants. I think to
date uh the number is uh the card has
processed more than 70 billion naira uh
which is a staggering uh number. I want
and would like to invite you to comment
for us on what does it take to build
trust and confidence uh amongst everyday
people in order to really drive the
adoption of a digital payment system.
>> Thank you very much and I'm very happy
to be here. I work for a company called
Niger Inter Bank Settlement and I think
uh that company was the first company to
build the first instant uh transfer
account based and uh that has been on
for about 15 years and rising from that
we study our own local environment to
determine what the issues are. Digital
payment is in competition with cash in
Africa and the main reason because cash
is instant and if you are building a
digital payment that is not instant then
you have an issue. So in building Africa
with our domestic card scheme, it was a
response to deal with the market need
especially in Nigeria. And what we have
done is to put a card in the hands of
our people that provide the first
worldbased instant settlement on POS.
Every merchant in Nigerian today
accepting Africa on the POS machine gets
an instant value. I don't know of any
car scheme that provide that today in
the world. Having done that, we also
ensure that the issue around dispute is
completely eradicated. Very minimal uh
dispute issues because that's another
thing that used to build trust. Another
major factor was looking into the cost. >> Sure.
>> Sure.
>> A lower cost regime for the card both
for the merchant as well as the uh
customers and for the banks. And another
very important uh factor driving the
adoption is the role of the central bank
of Nigeria as well as the federal
government. Africad has the support of
the last president and the current
president of Nigeria and uh working with
Nimsy Nigeria Identity Management
Company. We have built our identity rail
on the payment rail of Africa. So the
government uh payment schemes for the
less privileged is going to go on that
uh payment rail and the card. So with
that there's a whole lot. So if you pick
up an Africa card today then the your
NIN or your national identity picture
can also be uh fixed on that card. So
with that there's a whole lot of
adoption across the ecosystem. All the
banks in Nigeria are currently issuing
it and uh we intend to do more by
ensuring that there's transparency in
transition processing and delivery.
Thank you
>> Premier. Thank you very much. I think uh
you've given us some really interesting
ingredients that one needs to consider
when we're trying to build trust and
confidence. You've spoken about the idea
of first uh engaging with the reality of
the market where cash is still so
dominant but uh being able to um
supersede that by the value that is then
given to the ordinary uh person that the
the the absence or very minimal disputes
that you're speaking about uh the
consideration of cost but I think what's
really exciting is the ability of now an
a digital ID system that is now being
built on the back of that payment system
and it goes back I think to Sanjay's
earlier comments of doing more with less
uh and leveraging off those systems. So,
thank you very much for those uh opening
remarks. Beatric uh let's let's go to
Brazil uh and let's make the link
between the uh chairmanship uh of uh the
G20 uh by Brazil and now here in South
Africa. I would imagine that there have
been uh tons of meeting where there has
been sharing of uh Brazil's DPI journey
with South African counterparts and with
the global south uh more generally. I'd
love to hear some of the key insights
that are flowing in those conversations,
but potentially if you can also give us
a view on how is the global south
thinking about um uh DPI that is really
reflective of the needs of a more
inclusive world.
>> Perfect. Uh thank you very much. So
before talking about the G20 just to
take a step back um when India brought
G20 the GPI conversation to the G20 we
in Brazil we um welcome it very very
nicely and um um in like in a very
exciting way because actually um our DPI
journey uh had started way before the
the DPI conversation and we thought that
it was an interesting framing that India
was bringing into the conversation that
would help us uh first even strengthen
um and give common language to what
we're doing. Sure. Um but also our our
journey really started more from uh
government perspective. Our digital
government initiatives were very strong.
So when India brought the DPI
conversation to the table, uh it made us
think more in terms of the economy like
the broader societal impact. So that was
very useful. Um so we took a very
pragmatic approach to the G20 and um
last year we we hosted the the the G20.
Um we decided to continue the
conversation on ZPI and we hosted a
meeting uh in Brazilia with
representatives from India and South
Africa. We called it the Troa meetings.
a lot of organizations here represented
uh were supporting this and it was a
very good moment for us to reflect on
what we're doing uh to exchange with
Indian uh partners and also South
African. So um after actually right
before that we'd had sent two
delegations to India first with three
people then we decided to expand and
also bring some of the implementers and
it was very helpful to start thinking
more in in terms of what we're doing how
we could improve. Um now we're sending a
delegation a focus on education and we
think the the opportunities are massive.
Um last week we also launched the an
agreement with triple ITB um an Indian
institution um to have a center for DPI
uh with data prep our IT S so SOE and
regarding South Africa um I don't want
to speak on behalf of them so I asked
them this morning uh what was happening
and and whether there was any exchange
that was helpful and what they said is
that um after the troa meetings in
Brazilia and some of the bilaterals that
we organized They actually um were very
excited about gov.br and they they said
that they're forking gov.br to to um to
build gov.za.
Um also the the payments the instant
payments uh project uh they say that
it's been very inspired by picss and and
it's very exciting to us. I think we
have a lot to to learn and share and
whenever we bring all these countries uh
to the room it makes us reflect on what
we're doing and what we can do better
and the fact that we sent a very large
delegation uh to this event here. We
have six representatives from the
Brazilian government and it's not just
because Cape Town is beautiful but you
know but um also because we we think
there's a lot to learn and share. So
we're we're very excited. A lot is going
on between these three countries and we
welcome more collaborations.
>> Thank you very much uh Beatatrician.
Yes, of course uh Cape Town is
beautiful. It is a good reason to be
here. But it's really interesting to
hear you speak about uh the
intentionality of sharing um
experiences, sharing insights and
strengthening uh the global south's own
and south south uh cooperation in terms
of really imagining a DPI that is truly
inclusive. Uh and may and long may that
continue as well. I I want to then maybe
just go back as we go into another round
of questions to come back to you,
Secretary General, and bring the reality
that in most re um innovations and
advancements in uh the digital. A lot of
conversations in this space talk about
not leaving the people behind and that
we have to be people centric. But I want
to perhaps uh introduce also another
ingredient that not leaving the leaders behind
behind
>> because then the leadership are the ones
who will be in conversations and who
will be in the spaces where decisions
need to be made and I think that's one
of the ways as a region we've been able
to pull everyone together. Remember that
the ESC leadership is led by a summit of
heads of state where the presidents and
then the ministers and the sexual
councils in different spaces and we have
dedicated sessions where these
conversations happen. Yesterday you saw
a report that was presented here on the
advancements on DPI within the ESC that
has been made possible by having every
partner sit around the table. when you
talk about leaders I want to give an
point like hey you need to work with
Somalia you need to work with Burundi
you need to work with this and we help
maybe build the concepts or the concept
not so with the help of the various
partners we have the world bank the
African development bank the gates
foundation all these are people who are
in this space with us uh in digital
transformation training digital literacy
elevating it um ensuring that um right
now we are doing policy harmonization
and that's a very critical step to
ensuring that we move together as a
region. So I think um to sum it up I
would say um when I meant about
collaboration I meant with collaboration
with the stakeholders cooperation with
everyone who is in the in the space and
just ensuring that um we pull our
resources because that's that's I mean
um it was said earlier that DPI is not
deep pockets but it does require
resources and we do not have those
resources as a region and therefore we
benefit from that. So I think in a
nutshell that's what I would say. I'd
say we are very confident. We've made
great strides and we see other um other
regional economic communities coming to
learn from us and uh see the strides
we've made uh in this space. So thank you.
you.
>> So what I love about that response is
not only are you giving us some of the
things that need to be true uh in order
for DPI at a regional level to really
become a connector, not a divider. So
for example the uh the literacy uh
becoming an important point uh the the
learning from best practice and using a
regional blueprint so not everybody has
to start from scratch. I love the idea
of shortening the learning curve for
others. But what I didn't expect,
Secretary General, is this idea of being
mindful that we don't leave leaders
behind because I think the thinking is
always that leaders are at the
forefront. And I think it takes us back
to some of the earlier comments we heard
to say uh part of what makes DPI so
important is that it is a public rail
for private innovation and it is quite
possible for private innovation to run
ahead and leave some of the public
leaders behind. So thank you for that um
unconventional reminder uh about
something that we often uh forget
because we're talking about regions. Let
me go back to Beatric and then I'll come
to you. Uh, Premier Beatric, what I'm
I'm interested in is I've I've heard uh
you commenting on some of the uh
cross-pollination of lessons from a
south south uh cooperation perspective.
take us into your region in particular
and potentially highlight for us any
frameworks or initiatives uh that are
really um uh driving DPI in the region
and that you think would be useful for
other regions to hear about.
>> Yes. Um we are actually very excited
about one initiative called the digital
citizenship in in Latin America. Um it
started in the red zal uh which is the
the ministerial
um committee and and meetings for for
digital transformation in Latin America.
So that's an initiative that is actually
um integrating digital ID across Latin
America. It started more or less a year
ago with Brazil and Uruguay and we
integrated golf. are with the equivalent
in Uruguay and now we have 40 services
uh integrated. Um at first the idea was
to focus on on business um service like
services for for businesses and that
still is the focus. Uh now I think we
have over 12 countries uh in the
initiative and two days ago we had a
demo in one of the rooms. uh I think it
was the um the certification for um
exporting erva mate uh which is very
famous in the in the south of of Latin
America. So we we believe that that has
a massive impact and we can even think
more about the impacts for for for the
economy and the digital economy. Um so
that's a very very very important one
that we are excited about. There's
another one actually with Portugal. Um,
we realized that there are many
Brazilians trying to to live in
Portugal. I don't know if it's a if it's
a good thing. Um, but one of the key
issues was that Brazilians couldn't
prove that their documents were valid
and Portugal was taking too long to uh
finish the process. So, we are now
integrating gov.pr PR with Portugal so
that the Portuguese government can
verify uh the documents and make the
process easier for Brazilians.
>> Um so I think there's a very big
potential to to integrate those
infrastructures across the globe and
obviously um we would more than welcome
more partnerships with with the global
south. But I think that the
possibilities are infinite. I love that
the possibilities are absolutely
infinite and a really impressive list of
initiatives. Uh some of them still
emergent but uh one would imp would
imagine that with momentum uh they're
going to accelerate and and deepen over time.
time.
>> 774 local government areas and some of
these local government areas. So as uh
people having access to banks is a
problem. So but there have been some
strategic actions taken by the federal
by the central bank of Nigeria. One was
the creation of agency banking. So
agency banking allows people in uh rural
communities to at least do banking
through an agent and open an account.
But one other fundamental action taken
which is a functional ID card to have an
account in Niger 3 then you can it's
limitless but the focus for the unbanked
in rural areas and to enable them trust
the system is the NIN and with NIN we
continue to suck in a lot of uh the
unbanked and using the uh point of sale
terminals to open accounts to transact
makes it a lot easy for them and of
course the deepening of the USSD code
across across the country have also
helped to push uh a lot of adoption. But
like I said earlier, the Afric was a
response to dealing with uh Nigerian
peculiar issues. So one of the things we
did on the Africa card is to ensure that
the account numbers and biometric
details are embedded on the QR code that
uh they have bank accounts and then they
are being utilized and I think more and
more of that until everybody gets sucked
in. Premier that's uh that was probably
a really fantastic expression of putting
people at the center at a level that is
consequential and doesn't become another
talk show to hear from you is what is
one leadership choice that you think has
to be made
>> a zero data cost
>> to promote for me that's very critical
uh success factor
>> 2030 is just 30 is just four years away from
from
>> thank you
>> thank you very with an openness to
sharing data. Uh, Secretary General,
thank you very much uh for that. Beatric.
Beatric.
>> Yes. So, I I I would think that from the
infrastructure and building on that
value. I love the analogy that was used
earlier that your penthouse unless
you've got the foundation right. Now, as
we close off, I'm going to do something
that uh hopefully was not a political
paper uh premier. It's not a seat. It's
not an executive summary for the
president. It is a billboard. The future
of DPI. I'm going to start off with you,
Premier. You look the most confident.
The future of DPI. >> Trust.
>> Trust.
>> The future of DPI is trust. Let's give
Premier a big round of applause. Thank
you very much. Very much.
Ladies and gentlemen, as we to invite
you to turn your attention to the screen
as we take a trip to the Lagos Business
School Innovation Lab, uh it's a short
video produced by the Gates Foundation,
but I certainly think captures the
spirit of the conversation we've just
had. Please turn to the screen.
>> What do you do when you see people
unable to save for the things they need,
grow their businesses, and feed their
families? Most of the market women you
see they are hawkers on the streets of
this market
>> decide to start work on the associative
product [music] and um join the SIDFS product.
product.
>> The lab exists to solve the problem of
creating financial products that are
>> we have over 10,000 customers currently
[music] in just this island alone
>> because in the face of every problem
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