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No. What? Mumbling. No swearing.
Well, can't guarantee that.
Right. Welcome back to another edition
of the BIME podcast. Been a bit of a
long time in coming this one because
today I'm joined by for anyone who who
works closely with BIME or clients or
whatever probably doesn't need much of a
introduction but it's the uh the legend
that is Mark Kane otherwise known within
BIME as Yoda as he's he's a bit of a
fountain of knowledge you know and he
he's also our Manchester BIM manager So,
got Mark here today. Uh, I've done a bit
of an introduction for you, but I don't
know if you want to No, I mean, say
anything about yourself, pick yourself
up. No, no, no. To be honest with you, I
to mention about the fact why we knew
each other, you know, in in as much as
that, you know, probably boring people
to death with with all this. You're
throwing me under the bus now, I'm going
to throw under the bus. Yeah, mate. Um
so basically me me and Matt were
apprentices uh um duck work company um
in Harp a Manchester when we were 17 18
and uh yeah we were we dragged up um
doing duck work weren't we mate and uh
we certainly were. Yeah and anyway that
company went bump and we kind of
separated ways and about how many years
ago now? probably 12 years, 13 years,
something like that. We um we joined
forces again and uh yeah, never looked
back really, have we? Here we are today.
You know, who thought who thought back
then we'd be sat doing podcasts?
To be honest, you I didn't think I' I'd
ever stop using a drawing board. So, I'm
not really want to talk. So, there we
go. Yeah. So, today anyway, uh we're
we're going to just basically talk about
quite a large project we worked on.
Well, we completed it in 2019, so I
think it's safe enough now to talk about
it. And uh we're just going to talk
about some of the sort of pitfalls on
the project and reasons why sort of BIM
sort of was the tool that helped us to
deliver it so successfully. Yeah. So,
the project is Scalpel Tower in London,
uh, otherwise known as 52 Lime Street,
and it's in the the Bank District of
London, and it's quite an iconic
building. It's opposite the Gerkin. And
uh, I think I don't know why it was
called is it meant to look like a
scalpel blade or something? Is that why
it was scalpel? I can't always remember
why it was called. That's what it was,
was it? I think cuz it has got like this
weird kind of iconic also bit of a fancy
to like a blade at the top, isn't it? So
I think that was the idea of it. Yeah,
the scalpel. Yeah, I think there was
about 40 floors of office space. 44 and
then 47 up to 50 something. Yeah, there
was a few few floors of plant at the
top, but they were quite awkward because
the footprint went a lot smaller. M uh
but it was was very narrow and there was
a lot of steel work in there and
everything. So that was quite
complicated area. Then you had the
ground floor which was more like a
reception and I think there was a
loading bay within it and things like
that. And then we had three levels of
basement. Yeah. B3 the lowest basement
was was like concrete water tanks,
weren't it? Yeah. Sprinkler tanks. The
sprinkler tanks then main level up and
then another one up from that as well.
Yeah. B2 was the sort of the main plant
areas. Yeah. Where you had a lot of the
sort of switch gear and everything.
Yeah. Uh and then B1 was more like back
of house areas, weren't it? Yeah.
Showers and the cycle store, changing
areas, all that sort of stuff. And a
little bit of plant as well in there. Uh
but that's sort of summarizes the the
building. Uh I think the idea was uh
there was a a main client and his
intention was was to take a few of the
upper floors himself. Yeah. And then was
leasing the rest of the building out. So
again, it was one of these projects
where like like a lot of projects these
days where the the project had to be
finished on time because there was going
to be a lot of costs if the project
overran. Yeah. Well, it didn't it didn't
help that the guy who actually paid and
and owned the building was was like
rather the top one. Remember he had two
two top floors. He worked the penthouse,
didn't he? I think we built an atron for
him, didn't we? So there was an atron
that kind of Oh, I remember it was all
soundproofed walls around it and there
was plant above above his office. So it
was all on springs and everything spring
loaded. Yeah, I remember all that. Yeah.
Yeah. So anyway, what we was going to do
was just talk a little bit about some of
the sort like I don't know like the
problems we had to overcome. I think
some of them are fundamental problems
that you get in London all the time.
Like I think what you tend to get or
what I find is generally in London,
especially in the bank area. Uh the the
buildings are very tall, but the
footprints aren't necessarily small,
aren't they? As big as you would expect.
Uh and the reason being is obviously uh
land and that is a a premium in in
London. Yeah. So things tend to be a bit
smaller. Uh the other thing is they try
and utilize whatever space they have got
they try and utilize it. So there's not
a lot of outdoor space around. So I
think if memory serves I think it was
something existing like probably most
new construction near near the central
London that there's always a building
comes down first before something is up.
And a lot of the buildings, the shape of
them and the footprint, it's all
dictated by surrounding surrounding
buildings and and and roadways, you
know, it's um because of that, one of
the issues is is that externally of the
building there's not much storage area.
So what we found is there was as we were
doing coordination and everything and
when we were s visiting site we did
visit site quite regularly that a lot of
the space uh where things were should be
getting installed were being used as
storage areas. Yeah, you walk down the
corridors and the the corridors were a
bit I don't know just a bit bit fuller
than I thought on the floor level for
storage and trying to get scaffold
towers around them and different things.
didn't they have some of the office
space there as well if I remember right
towards the end um that you know oh the
site offices site offices and stuff were
there as well some of the area turned
into cuz like you say I think especially
for the site teams and that where they
want to store all the materials and
everything that all did end up moving
into the sort of basement the basement
areas yeah which again is just something
else to to avoid or something else to
work around yeah I think it all becomes
a programming issue doesn't it was areas
that we knew later on in the project
would be congested with materials or
whatever. Yeah. Yeah. So, it made it
probably more awkward for the guys on
site, but for us the it was it was stuff
worth knowing. Yeah. because it did
change a little bit of how you would
coordinate services, certain services
that you'd want to keep out of these
areas because like like the HV cables
cuz it's a continuous cable and you're
not stopping and starting with the
install of it, it's got to be done in
one hit. So you if if you know there's
an area that you can't get into, you've
got to avoid that. Yeah. So there's
things like that, I guess. M uh and like
I say and the the corridors I remember
walking around site and I was felt sorry
for some of the guys when you saw how
cluttered some of the corridors were.
Yeah. Uh but again that more of a I
guess more of a a site issue but then
going on to I just mentioned about the
HV cables. Don't know well I'm sure you
have got thoughts back because I
remember one of the problems it was it
was actually
usual thing it was diverse routing. Yep.
Um, and there was also fire protection,
weren't they? Which they went for
Chemwell, was it? Was that the product
they went for? It was. It was I think it
started off they were going to go for
that uh jaw steel. Yeah. But I remember
it was at the slab and it wasn't and it
was it was up and down and and if I
recall, was it was it because of the
weight of the drum at one point and the
continuous cable was? Yeah, I remember
sitting in meetings with this. So HV
cable, you you tend to try and get in as
the highest service. You tend to fix it
to the slab and then you put a
three-sided box around it and yeah to
protect it and protect it uh from like
fire or anything else. Uh but in this
instance, we couldn't put it as the
highest service because what you tend to
do is you put it in and then you forget
about it. But like I said earlier, you
have to run the HV cable from start to
finish. And because the start of it was
in the basement and the finish of it was
going to be up at sort of level 40 or 44
or whatever it was, it had to be a
continuous c well it was tri cables,
wasn't it? That's right. So it had to be
the these three cables going diverse
routes had to get up to that level and
it had to go in one hit. So as soon as
they started putting the cable in, they
had to go all the way. Otherwise, they
had to have it on a drum somewhere
stored. And because the cable was that
heavy, yeah, they couldn't store it,
could when they did the count, they had
nowhere to store it because the slabs at
like ground floor and first or whatever
could not physically take the weight of
the coils. Yeah. Yeah. Of cable. So
because there was nowhere to store the
cable, they said the HV cable, as
unusual as it might be, has to go in
last. So we had to come up with a way.
That was a way and and getting it in as
the lowest service, which is quite
unusual. Well, it was again it was it
was something that we were, you know,
part of the way through the
coordination, certainly in the basement
areas I was doing and all of a sudden
then it was like, well, actually, no,
this thing can't be tucked up against
the set and out of the way. It's got to
then come down and then it's access
after it's the I think was it the
three-sided chemole that we went for
that was I think it had to be foursided.
No, I'm saying but they only installed
the top and the sides, left the bottom
out, cable went up and then obviously
they they finished the bottom. But yeah,
it was the other thing I remember as
well was because normally like again if
it's up against the sopet if all the ser
if there's a fire or anything below and
the services all collapse, it's at the
slab and it's safe. But when it says the
lowest service, it wasn't just making
the Chemwell secure that the Chemwell
was the fire protected box. wasn't just
making that so that that wouldn't fall
down under fire conditions. It was
making sure it could take the weight,
everything collapsed and landed on top
of it. Yeah. So, we ended up I remember
there was like a bit of a subframe that
went above the top of it. So, if
anything fell, it landed on top of the
subframe rather than on top of the HV
cables. Yeah. So, that was that was a
big issue on the project. So, but I
think probably enough about that now
because people be bored. I was nearly
swore then. So I'll leave that for you.
So uh the other thing I mean I know some
of that was a bane your life on that
project was the slab loadings. Yeah. So
um basically what it was I was I was
nearing the not the end but I I was
nearing to a point where you know
majority service are in we we settled on
you know the lay this B2 basement and
the main water plant room which had all
the all the major um chilled water,
heating pumps, all the domestic plant um
you know uh and that pipe was big. I
mean water was like 250 diameter w some
of the headers um the plate exchanges
were something like 2 and a half meters
tall. I forget the weight of them, but
they were they were colossal things. And
basically, you know, um we were being
told we we did um pump skids and the
plate plate exchanger skids, but pretty
much everything else was traditionally
installed from the set above. And um out
of the blue towards the end of of
modeling um uh somebody raised a
question about has anybody checked that
the I remember being sat
raised. I bet you were sat there saying,
"I've got to go back and tell Kane all
this one. He said he's just gonna he's
going to lose his head." But um yeah, so
basically what what what they realized
is that the structural engineer had um
basically calculated the floor load of
the floor above just to take what was
there and basically it was just toilets
for I think the the cycle store or
something like that. It was the shower
room shower room something like that. So
they they realized quite late on that in
actual fact that slab above the plant
room couldn't take this building
services that we thought were being
suspended off it. And um right at the
end we got told then that the the whole
of the plant room services had to be had
to be basically um supported off
pedestals and framework and steel and
goalpost and everything. And it was yeah
it was um yeah it to be honest with you
I remember I remember at the time it was
like you you thought that it was just
going to be you know an absolute trauma
but to be fair because um I think it was
it was the I decided early on that I was
going to leave a decent zone for
drainage because I think we had
sprinklers the sprinkler mains are high
level and a lot of drainage what have
you and we had a lot of crossovers and
and at the time more more lot than than
than judgment. Don't say that. I know.
Yeah. Um we I left quite quite a um a
decent zone at the top. So don't ask me
how, but we managed to shoe on in
without too much uh alteration to the
MEP services is that like say all that
steel work and goalpost, but it was uh
you almost created like a steel
framework box, didn't you? Yeah. That
fitted in the plant room first and then
all the services fitted within that
fitted on on that. Yeah. But um yeah,
there was a lot lot of gear in them
plant rooms. Hell of a lot. Yeah. And
then talking about the plant rooms and
another another thing that we we did do
quite a bit of uh was the uh the FMA the
prefabrication. Yeah. So it was mainly
just plant, wasn't it? We didn't do much
on distribution for risers. Yeah. It was
the Yeah, it was the risers were with
were DFA, but the um Yeah. in the plant
rooms. It was it was mainly pump skids
and the plate exchanger skids. Um but
again when we were saying there about
the plate exchanges being like 2 and a
half meters and they they weighed an
absolute ton. Again it was logistics of
how them things move through from where
they get lowered lowered into the
basement. You know I think I think we
had um uh forget the technical term for
it but you the wall down plan. So there
was there was certain walls that
couldn't get built and it's like I say
it's logistics of where they get dropped
down and then we had restrictions then
on sizes of of frames. I think if I
remember rightly as well there was like
a location in the ground floor where
there was going to be an opening left in
the slab to drop down into B1. Yeah. But
it wasn't directly above the hole down
to B2. So you'd have to drop it down
to the hole that dropped down to
get into the plant room. So there was
quite a bit of planning to be done on
that with head heights and everything
else. Yeah. And that was the other
thing, wasn't it? Is is because your
skids virtually going last as it were
because you know you want to be stalling
all your high level service. You don't
want PL skids but you don't want to.
So you know again that all has to come
into play about you know you've got to
think about how these things get get
skidded in after all the high level
service have gone in and have you you
know got the the logistic path for for
doing that and you also have to look at
which I know it's going to sound obvious
when I say this but when when you're in
the mindset of modeling something in 3D
and you're putting in its final position
when you've got it on that skid frame
it's sat on the floor when you're
maneuvering it to get it into position
it's going to be on some sort of wheels.
Yeah. So, it's going to put an extra
maybe 6 in or 8 in on the height of it.
Correct. So, so that that's again, but
when you're doing all this this skid
work, it's it that that's what you do
have to consider is is that you know the
skids will ra up raise up so far and
then you can have jacking points.
Sometimes you can have um AVMs as well.
So again, you have to think about all
these things about, you know,
what space and you need to actually move
this thing isn't necessarily it's it's
finished level, you know, when it is
dropped into position. Um, but yeah, no,
it is you just got to think about
everything involved, don't you? And it's
like it was just jumping onto the rises
here cuz that was again we did quite a
bit of DFMA on that and I remember one
of the things early doors was it was
anchored out the basement and then
everything went upwards. So any expansion
expansion
it the riser grew as it went up. Yeah.
So when you when you go up a couple of
floors, you're only talking millimeters.
But when you're going up 10 15 floors,
it starts coming into it can be like 50
100 mil or whatever the the sort of uh
distance when it starts to expand. And I
remember us having to actually
work out well on this like one of the
upper floors when the the building's
operational and everything expands the
branches are going to move by say 100
mil. So I think we actually physically
moved the the riser module up 100 mil
and reran the clash dissections because
we said when it's in operation that's
where the branch is going to be. It's
not going to be where it is now in a in
a sort of I think I think we had to did
we have to do some sort of cow call
somebody did some sort of cow with the
cold drawer as well in the chilled.
Yeah. So so your heating's expansion but
your chilled is is contraction is it you
know so I I know they said they don't
normally worry about chilled but they
said because it was
such a high building. I'm I'm sure that
the diameter of the pipe as well because
it was such large pipe work. Um but
while we're on the subject of the rise,
obviously, you know, we're about the the
anchor point in the the basement. Yeah,
it was a bit of a faux pile there. It
was. Yeah. So, if I remember right, we
came down. It wasn't so much the anchor,
it was the dirt pocket at the bottom. It
was a dirt pocket. There was a problem.
So, so there there was a branch. There
was a dirt pocket with the IV and
everything else. Um I think possibly,
you know, 50 mil. um stab off with an IV
a drain to so basically what what they
said was well what we'll do we'll flange
all that we'll have a false piece of
pipe a steel pipe down to the the actual
basement um floor level and we'll use
that as as an anchor point then for the
expansion of the riser and then um again
some something that that we didn't
consider um was the actual valves
involved once it and they realized that
the forces involved on the the this
valve at the dirt pocket basically
crushed the valve. So then there was
another secondary caner lever fair
wanted back to the shaft wall to
actually take take some of that strain
off. So yeah, that that was um again
that that was another another steep
learning on that one. Yeah. Um the other
thing I remember as well again like what
we were saying about with the footprint
being fairly small you had there was so
much plant down in them basement but
because the footprint wasn't massive I
remember like the distribution corridors
like it's a basement so there isn't a
ceiling in there but if you imagine a
ceiling at maybe 2.4 4 m above that
level up to the slab. You had about two
two and a half meters to get everything
in. But what it meant was your corridors
were fairly fairly narrow but very tall
the space. So the logistics of getting
all the services in and being
maintainable afterwards was a bit of a
nightmare, weren't it? Because Yeah.
Because again, you've you've got to
think about, you know, first of all,
what services do you want at the top
that's going to have limited limited
access? But the funny thing is is that
nine times out of 10, one of your top
services is your drainage. And then
you've got to consider about the the rod
eye points for that. And I remember we
we were extending um kind of um uh on
the wise with with with the rodin eyes.
We were extending that rod eye to a
clean spot, weren't we? Where you can
actually get up to and actually rod rod
through. So it wouldn't necessarily be
on top of the the the last wire
connection. it'd actually be where you
can actually get get up to it. Um, you
know, so yeah, and it was a case of
layering from the top and like say going
back to to the um to the HV with the
Chemwell that that that chucked a quite
quite a big span in the works toward
towards the where all of a sudden that
had to come down and you had to consider
that for the access. But and the other
thing I remember with the corridors was
uh we ended up using trimble field
points. Yes. Because we we realized
there was that many
different sprinkler systems at the top.
Yeah. There was almost a blanket of
sprinklers down the corridor and they
were like main distribution pipes. So
they were quite big and we said once
them pipes go up, no one's getting back
to that slab again to drill it. Yeah. So
it's all the as as the trades come lower
and lower in that corridor, it's the
access to the slab just gets more
restrict. So the idea then was was using
trimble field point pre-drill all the
slab and get all the the anchors already
installed and a bit of rod or whatever.
They were putting all the rod down,
weren't they? Which the rod was there
then for all the other trays to to
connect onto. Um yeah, so that was I
mean it was a good solution for what
could have been an absolute nightmare.
Uh yeah, what what I did think was good
on this particular project, especially
for us, was that they actually had
somebody doing like a stage five
uh architectural model. So they were
putting all the like you say lintils in.
They were all getting modeled in. Even
every single hole we requested got
modeled in. So there was a hole there.
Yeah. So when we could run a clash
detection Yeah. It was if there was a a
pipe going through a wall, it wouldn't
come up as a clash because there's a
hole there and it goes through the hole.
A lot of the times when we were now, we
never get that detail of architectural
model. So, you run a clash dissection
and it'll come up and say your pipes
clashing with your P with the wall and
blah blah blah. You have to basically
just discount them because, you know,
the hole's not there to be formed. And
all that we can do going forward is is
believe it or not is, you know, class
detection against our own builder's work sleeves.
sleeves.
um you know and and that's but it was a
great way of seeing if a builder's work
opening had been missed. Yeah. Yeah.
Because if it had been missed it come up
as a clash because it's there's no hole
there. So it was a it was a very quick
way of running a quick clash detection
and seeing whether uh any holes have
been missed. But like I say, I think
it's few and far between. we get apart
from the the main structural concrete
like your shear walls and that people
tend to model in the the openings in
them but when it comes down to block
work and and uh studing it's very rare
that we we get I mean the architectural
models yeah and the thing is you know
you touched on there with drywall
possible walls in as much as that you
know we have to account for king stud
arrangements that aren't there for us to
physically miss sometimes and um you know
know
having that work interface with
architects with your fire stopping
people with your fire damper people with
you know British gypsum um and
everything else you know there's a lot
of individual elements there that need
bring together and you know not to blow
our trumpet but we're kind of like the
interface to to bring those people in
and and you know um yeah there's a lot
of contracts now where um from a builds
point of view you know a lot of the
rules have to be set out really early
and you know um I I'll completely admit
that that years ago I'm sure you'd agree
that the bills were almost went in at
the end to a point because we've seen
that as well what's the point in putting
bills work when all the MEPs got to go
to construction all your holes going to
change anyway and everything else
whereas nowadays you know one of the
first things that we actually establish
and even model in is the builders work
it's kind of it's almost dictating the
coordination now isn't it yeah Um the
the thing being is though there's still
there's still differences out there
which you know isn't worrying but it's
just a fact of life that you know people
can interpret interpret different rules
and regs but you know ultimately um you
know it's one of them things now on any
project that you know I I I kind of um
you know push the client into into
setting out them rules so that you know
again it's getting people on board that
wouldn't normally be on board at early
stage in the job, but it's very
important that they are and as as I just
said before, it's it's your your fire
damper people, it's your fire stopping
people, it's your walling contractor
with British Gypson and it's it's
bringing all them people to say right
what is what rules are working to
because you have deflection zones as
well, don't we, in drywalls where you
know there's there's the um building
tolerance, there's settling of buildings,
buildings,
um you know there's expansion um during
fire where you know something needs to
be allowed for you know for for that as
as well and you know there's a lot of
moving parts that I I don't completely
understand but you know I know what
effect it has on building services.
Yeah. Well, I know like if a slab
deflects by 25 mil, for example, I think
you have to allow some of the buildup of
a a plaster board wall, you have to
allow about 200 250 mil for it to be
able to compensate for that 25 mil
within it without it then deflecting
onto the actual Yeah. builder's work
opening. Yeah. I mean we we we've we've
had all sorts we over the past few years
and say fire damper holes obviously that
they have to be being their own own uh
separate holes but separation of holes
should we say between services or the
fire dampers we've had everything from
100 mil to 200 mil to 300 mil you know
there's a lot of of difference out there
and um you know it's it's pinning
someone down to say right you know what
are them rules and to be honest with you
they need to casting concrete because
you know there's quite a lot of jobs
where even when you've gone to that
diligence of of actually um you know uh
producing those rules you get you know
somebody comes on board a new walling
contractor or a new rag change or
something like that and and those kind
of things they the amount of times even
nowadays that you know the amount of
change that we have to go through
because of I know this one I know this
one you'll like though is that sometimes
there's that many different rules
You can't achieve everything. Exactly.
And somebody will come up with your
favorite saying, engineers judgment. Oh,
it's just it frightens me. It frightens
me when when when them words get used
all of a sudden it's it's it's you know,
with all due respect, you're not going
to It's like who's the engineer and why
why is their judgment?
Yeah. And and acceptable. It's just and
then you find out further down the road that
that
Exactly. Oh, we've had plenty of jobs
where the the easy get out is the engine
engineering judgment and and I I've
said, you know, that unfortunately I'm
I'm telling you now, it will not happen
because you're asking for somebody to
basically put their name on a piece of
paper to say, "Yeah, that wall in that
circumstance will stop a fire." And I'm
sorry, in this day and age now, that's
that's just not acceptable. It's been
tested. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I remember
with one of our clients, I won't name
it. It was a good thing actually, but
I'm still not going to name. They they
give me the opportunity to sit down in
front of their sort of buying department
and explain to them why we need what we
need and when we need it. Yeah. And they
we would say just about say a pump for
example and I was trying to explain to
them why we needed that information to
be accurate. And I I said to him I said
just just imagine we're installing it. I
said just think of it that way. I said
because it I said we are in a virtual
world installing it. I said, "So, if you
had somebody on site going to install
that pump, I said, "Could you tell him
it's one of three?" Yeah. One of three
manufacturers we're going to go with.
Said, "He wouldn't be able to install
it. He needs to know the exact pump that
he's installing." I said, "And we need
to know the exact pump that we're
modeling and putting in." I said,
"Because otherwise, it's not going to
work. And when it comes to site, it's
not going to fit." Especially around,
you know, um, DMFA areas of work. I
mean, you know,
it's either accurate or or it's wrong.
There's no there's no tolerance. There's
no in between. No, it's either right or
it's not going to going to work when
it's put together, you know, and uh
yeah. No, there's a lot of moving parts.
Like I say, there's there's a lot of
things that
we I wish, you know, would be sorted out
early, you know, CDP, Elmer's work, you
know, at Sprinkler Designs and things
like even um you know, what we tend to
do, as you know, is is that we if if
we're coordinating service and all be,
you know, um coordination designer, the
sprinklers isn't necessarily in in our
scope, we still have to allow for that.
So invariably we will always allow mains
and and such like and and um systems of
how branches can come off. Again, it's
one of them elements of work that seems
to be brought on board very late in
contracts that then, you know, we have
to either work around or, you know, cuz
all due respect, we're not sprinkler
experts, you know, that's the reason why
these guys are brought on board because,
you know, they got the expertise and and
and such like and again just just all
the engagement that Yeah. You know, so
if we if I was to wind this up now and I
said to you just to finish off, what is
as a as somebody who coordinates
building services, creates the 3D
virtual models, what is your three
biggest bug bears after three biggest is
builder's work rules getting set in
concrete early days, um procurement
equipment and even simple things like
you know the valving with the databases
and the the insulation, the materials
and everything else is that everything
is set early days and in in basically as
as as robust position as it as it can be
and then further on down the road like I
say there's less change you know there's
less waste basically time and money um
you know all because I mean you I
understand you know if if if you need a
pump set you know a year down the road
then we we start work. That's the
mindset. It's I don't need to sort that
because I don't need it yet. And it's
like, yeah, but we need it because
you're asking us to coordinate, you
know. Um, so yeah. So yeah, that's that
that's the big things at the minute. Um.
Right. Well, thank you very much for
that. I think it's been a long time
coming, has it? Yeah. Hope you've give a
few people watching a bit of an insight
into the sort of trials and tribulations
that face you every day. I don't think
there's too many bleeps, is he, mate? I
don't think there was any actually. Just one.
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