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Well, thanks for coming here. I'm really

excited to talk to you. Thank you. I I

as I said, I really enjoy your show. So

So So for people that don't know, can

you kind of give us a summary of your

background in um in the government

working with the Bush administration and

then getting into like finance and all

this stuff? So I grew up in Philadelphia

and I got very interested as a child on

I I got very interested in money and why

everybody was destroying everything on

the theory that somehow that made them

money. And so I decided I was going to

understand how all the money worked in a

neighborhood. And what I didn't

understand till I went to Wall Street is

you literally have to know how the all

the money on the planet works to

understand how the money in a US

neighborhood works because it's organi

it's very centralized and it's organized

so that you know so if you and I go to

the White House it'll say here's how all

the money works in housing here's how

all the money works in military but it

doesn't say here's how the money works

you know in West Philadelphia so you

can't now with relational databases you

you could and I've worked on that but

anyway so I went Wall Street because I

wanted to learn how all the money the

planet works and I went from sort of

department to department to department

learning all the different markets and

then I figured out you know it's all

being rigged from Washington. It's the

Treasury and the Fed. So I got to go to

Washington. So I went to Washington. I

was a partner at a firm called Dylan

Reed. And in fact, I have an online book

called Dylan Reed and the aristocracy of

stock profits about um sort of it's a

it's a case study in the intersection

between organized crime in Wall Street

in Washington. Anyway, so I went to

Washington in the first Bush

administration to be assistant secretary

of housing and uh it's the federal

housing commissioner and that's the

person who oversees all the mortgage

markets both the credit most of the

credit and then the rules and

regulation. So, um, and I ran smack into

all the mortgage corruption because a

lot of the black budget is financed with

mortgage fraud and, um, anyway, so I

left and but I discovered the internet

when I was, uh, in the administration.

And so I created an investment bank that

could use software tools basically to

get all the information about how the

money works and make it accessible to

neighborhoods. So um uh anyway, but my

company I started a company called

Hamilton Securities Group. It was very

successful and we got hired on

competitive bid by the Clinton

administration. And so I worked in the

Bush administration, but we got hired by

the Clinton administration to be

financial adviser for the

FHA. And we led $10 billion of uh

mortgage auctions trying to stop the

mortgage

fraud, which was they had other ideas.

They wanted to take the mortgage fraud

the other way so we could have the

financial crisis. Anyway, so I ended up

in 11 years of litigation with the

federal government, with the Department

of Justice. Have you ever seen the movie

Enemy of the State with Will Smith? It's

been a long time. Yeah. I played Will

Smith in real life. Oh wow. I played

Will Smith in real life. So we had 18

audits and investigations, 12 tracks of

litigation, physical harassment, a smear

campaign. It was I mean it was right out

of the movies and of course so so Will

Smith is a successful attorney and in

fact his office in the movie is right

next to where my office was. our company

office was in Washington and you know

everything's crazy and the world makes

sense until he finds Gene Hackman who's

a former NSA employee who explains how

covert operations work and in fact now

if you come to the solar report we have

a whole 12-part series called deep state

tactics so if you can't find Gan you can

listen to deep state tactics and

understand how it all works anyway but I

got a real crash course I'll never

forget I first time I saw Enemy of the

state I'm like up in the front row I'm

like Oh, it's my training movie. Wow.

Right. That's amazing. So, when you talk

about the mortgage fraud, what

specifically do you mean and how does

that how does that work? So, so

financial fraud and mortgage fraud is

like the joy of cooking. There are

thousands of recipes, right?

But if you want to know the most

prominent, likely famous recipe for

mortgage fraud and HUD housing, all you

have to do is look up um the Tony

Soprano TV show did a series of four

parts on HUD fraud by Tony Soprano.

Really? Yes.

and and the basic and and it's

interesting because the one of the

things that got me interested in money

is it was this fraud that destroyed the

value of homes in my neighborhood when I

was a little girl. We had four boarded

up foreclosed properties caddy corner to

our block in West Philadelphia and it

had a huge sign and it said by order of

the assistant secretary of housing

federal housing commissioner and I used

to think who is that [ __ ] and so when

I literally when I was sworn and they

said by order of the president you are

now the assistant secretary of housing I

thought uh oh I'm the you know and I

went downstairs and I said how many

boarded up homes how many foreclosed

properties do we have in forclosed

industry. My deputy said 50,000. I said,

"Well, that's going to change." And that

was part of the problem. But okay, so

let's look at the basic fraud. Okay. I

So there's a home in the foreclosed

property inventory of the Federal

Housing Administration. They had

financed a mortgage. They they put the

uh an insurance policy on the mortgage.

So they take the credit risk. It

defaults. They pay off the mortgage

holder and then take back the

properties. The propertyy's sitting

there in inventory. Okay. So, let's say

the property is worth $100,000. So, like

when you find a a house for sale on HUD

auction, this is that's the situation.

Yes, probably. Got it. Probably. Okay.

So, so let's say the house is worth

$100,000. Okay. You uh sell the house to

someone um or or or you who's going to

do sort of a quickie uh fix up. Okay.

Um, and you let them turn around and

sell it at you. You put a mortgage.

Let's say it's worth 150. Now they've

fixed it up. You put a mortgage on it

for 250, a lot more than it's worth,

right? Okay. They sell it to a not for

profofit who immediately defaults,

right? You pay off the 250 mortgage and

take the property back and you keep

doing it again and again and again and

generating lots of money out the back

door. So when I became FHA commissioner,

we would find private on one property in

in Chicago which had financed and

defaulted five times in one year. Wow. I

know. I can't imagine that. Anyway, so

but here's here's how I can make even

more money. I had a friend who did this.

Uh not a friend, he was a guy who came

in. He was one of my first guests on the

podcast and he was he was buying up

houses in Tampa and uh he was taking

them and getting his friend to go do

appraisals on them and like marking the

appraisal up by like 5x and then getting

loans on it. Right? That's sort of the

that's a variation. Now, here's how you

really make a lot of money. When you

when you issue the mortgage, you don't

issue one mortgage. You issue 10

mortgages on that house and you put them

in a mortgage pool that's wrapped by

Ginnie May so you can sell them in Dubai

and nobody knows the difference. Right.

Right. And as long as there's money, you

can skim out the back door of the FHA

fund. No problem. Wow. Right. And it's

it's really funny. So So I had warned

people about this kind of fraud both

when I was assistant secretary and then

when I was the lead financial adviser.

But you know, you're you're you know

what it's like when you fight these

winds. And and so I'm driving down the

highway in Georgia and my old roommate

from college calls me and she says,

"Fitz, have you seen the Soprano TV

shows? They have the HUD frauds on the

Soprano TV shows." And she said, "I

guess you're telling the truth." And I

said, "Wait a minute." So I was the

former assistant secretary of housing

and then I was the lead financial

adviser for HUD and I've told you about

this for years. You don't believe me

until it's on the Soprano TV show. And

she said, "That's right.

So I said, that's why I say in America,

fact is fiction and fiction is fact. If

it's on the news, it's likely fiction.

You know, if it's if it's on the Soprano

TV show, there's a Oh, yeah. You know,

you're getting your training film. Yeah,

that's an interesting way of looking at

it. Well, remember during the financial

crisis, within a very short period of

time, there was more money shoveling out

the door. I mean, we the the TARP IG

said total uh money the taxpayers

finance was 27 trillion. $8 trillion

would have paid off all the single

family mortgages in the

country, right? So, so the total bailout

of the mortgage fraud was three times

all existing mortgages in the country.

That's bananas. So, one of my favorite

quotes, I was told by a former

intelligence officer who was involved in

the financial fraud that Oliver North

had said that HUD was the candy store of

covert revenues. And I based on what I

cleaned up and what I dealt with, I'm I

I'm absolutely convinced HUD was the

candy store oft revenues. That

is got a nice ring to it. HUD's missing

just from its financial statements a

trillion dollars from 20 from 1998 to

2015. So that's my whole thing about the

missing money which I Katherine is a you

know that's one of those issues

Katherine won't let go of keeps.

Okay. So can you explain to me and I

know you've done this well on on other

shows but how does the banking system

work? I know everybody thinks about how

like the bankers control the world. It's

like the bank, it's the bankers, the

intelligence agencies and the the

moneywashing with the drug cartels and

and all this stuff with funding, you

know, wars and overthrowing countries

and there's so much going on here, but

at the very top level of all of this

stuff is the bankers. Right. Right. So,

so here's how the, you know, any

business, any enterprise and any planet

has a business model, an economic model

on how the fundamental walk. So the

western world for 500 plus years has

operated on a model called central

banking warfare model. Okay, the central

bankers print money out of thin air. And

I'm grossly oversimplifying, but they

create the money and then the military

makes sure that people take it. Okay,

and that keeps the liquidity going. So

there are two sides of the coin. And

when you say military, think

intelligence and military because

surveillance is such an important part

of the force.

So you you literally have the bankers

running monetary policy, but then you

have the military and intelligence

backing it up. And you need both. It's

like two hands of one coin. It's like

two sides of a coin. Okay. Okay. Right.

And and what what the bankers do, you

grew up in the United States. Most

people listening to this grew up in the

Western world. And we've had for over a

century a model where the bankers run

monetary policy and then the people's

representatives run fiscal policy. So

the whole basis of the American

revolution was no taxation without

representation. That means the people's

representatives, the congress or the

state

legislature run the fiscal policy is the

way it's supposed to be. And what has

happened in America for the last 20

years is we've had what I call a

financial coup d'eta where the bankers

decided we can't trust the people and

the people's representatives to manage

the fiscal side. So we're going to

change the model and we're going to take

over control of of both monetary and

fiscal. And of course if that succeeds

and it's gone very far but it's not all

the way. So let's say we've gone 70% of

the way we have 30 more to go. that

happens, then we lose the ability to

determine taxation. In other words, we

get no representation. If they want the

money, they just take it out of our

accounts. Um, could you explain for a

third grader what fiscal policy means?

Monetary policy means it's monetary

policy means I get to create the

currency. Fiscal policy means I get to

to collect and and spend the taxes.

Okay. Got it. So, so, so let's look how

your federal government works. Your

federal government, grossly

oversimplified, gets about half of its

money to, you know, fix the roads and do

what it and run the military. Um, and it

gets the money by half of the money from

taxing. So, we all pay federal taxes. We

all have fees, various fines, whatever.

Half the money comes from the taxes and

half from where? H half comes from the

central bank. Okay, got it. The central

banking mechanism right now the the the

currency is issued with debt. It doesn't

have to be, but it is. So the New York

Fed So the Treasury, your bank account

as a citizen is at is is the New York

Fed is the depository for your bank

account. Okay. Okay. So they are the

federal government's bankers. The

Treasury account is at the New York Fed

and its members banks. So the New York

Fed is owned by its members but they

also act as agent. So you're going to

have the largest banks in the country

owning and directing the New York Fed

choosing its president but also you know

doing depository functions for the

treasury. So they as agent are also

doing various things for the treasury.

Okay. So they have a function called

primary dealer and a primary dealer is

authorized to go borrow money using

treasury bonds and bills. So they borrow

money. So that's sort of part of how the

currency gets into existence and they

put it in the Treasury bank account. So

half comes from taxes and half comes

from borrowing. A lot of that coming

from your retirement account or my

pension fund. Wow. Okay. Okay. Okay. So

So our retirement fund or it could be a

a Norwegian pension fund or sovereign

wealth fund, you know, are buying

treasury bonds and the money is going

into the bank account and that's where

half comes from. Which is why if you're

the president of the United States, it's

like getting an allowance from dad, if

you don't do what dad wants, you're not

going to get your allowance. You don't

have sovereignty. You don't have

financial sovereignty. And you don't

have information sovereignty because you

as the president can't have a private

telephone call. You got 17 intelligence

agencies, even the president. Yeah.

Especially the president. Especially the

president. They'd much rather know what

he's saying than you or I was saying,

right? I guess that's true. Right. Okay.

Wow. Right. So, how are you going to run

a government if you don't have

information sovereignty and you don't

have financial sovereignty? How are you

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heard your red button story. Yes. Okay.

And and what the red button story says

is since the American people want their

check, they don't want you to say no to,

you know, the people who control the

monetary that they they want to keep. So

So we are the United States is a global

leader in global money laundering and

organized crime money. Okay. Okay. We're

the global leader and if that money

stops, you know the red button story and

you can find it on the internet if you

want to listen to it, but the red button

story is people were not willing to push

a red button to stop the organized crime

flows because they wanted their checks

to keep coming. So we have a financial

dependency as a as a society on on

things, you know, doing things that harm

other people, including our own

children, our own selves. Um, you know,

so I talk a lot about the great

poisoning. We have a tremendous number

of industries in the United States that

are making money from poison people and

taking care of poison people and they're

very resistant to stopping the

poisoning, right? That's what this big

debate is about and it's a budget

debate. So are you talking about like

food and healthcare? Basically talking

about food and healthcare spraying

what's in the pharmaceuticals. Yeah.

Um, if you look at the federal

budget, we So, so let's go back to the

model, the central banking warfare

model. The key to the central banking

warfare model is if you're running the

reserve currency for the world, the

dollar system, you have to make more

from running it. You have to make enough

from running it to um fund your military

and intelligence. You know, there's a

lot of work in governing the sea lanes

and being the global cop and running the

trade model and all of that. Yeah. So

you have expenses. And so when you hear

the president yelling at everybody at

NATO like you have to share more, what

he's saying is that that the subsidy

from the dollar system minus the

interest on his debt minus the cost of

the military intelligence is no longer

working. And he's got to rebalance the

model. The subsidy. Yeah. What do you

mean by the subsidy? So running the

dollar system, you get to extract a

tithe. So let's say tomorrow we created

Danny Jones dollars. Okay? And whenever

you wanted some, you could just print it

off your computer. Okay? And you could

pay people throughout this community for

food or, you know, uh or for services

for doing your landscaping. Okay. With

Danny Jones dollars that you And I have

my own printer. And you have your own

printer. That's a big subsidy, right?

Okay. Yes, that is a big subsidy. That

is a big subsidy. That's a that's an

unlimit unlimited subsidy. It's not

unlimited if you have to pay everybody

in America off to go along with what you

want to do. So part of the big cost of

the running the model is the American

people vote based on domestic issues and

don't understand what's involved in

running the whole global model. And so

you've you've basically got to buy them

off and pay them off to get them to sort

of go along with whatever you want to

do. Got it. And that's expensive. So if

you look what what happened at the end

of the when the Soviet Union collapsed,

the US said we want to be a unipolar

model. One of the reasons I left

Washington, I said your plan won't work.

and and the failure in the Ukraine was

the the message plan failed and now we

have Rubio the secretary of state saying

oh we're going to be a multi you know

it's a multipolar world now so the

unipolar model failed and so the model

has to change we have to we're still

running the reserve currency but you

have to rebalance the model the unipolar

plan didn't didn't work and it wasted a

great deal of capital right so now we

have to change the model and so if you

see the president talking

about, you know, I want Canada to be the

51st state or I want Greenland. He's

trying if he can't go east west.

Remember, they were going to collapse

the Soviet Union, get all those

resources and use that to maintain the

unipolar model visa v China. Okay. That

didn't work. So now he's talking going

north south instead of going east west.

Right. Right. Yes. Yes. So he he's just

trying to figure out you have to change

the model. And if you look at the debate

and discussions going on in Washington,

the unfortunate thing

is whoever is in the White House, they

have to change the model. They don't

have a choice. The model, the technology

changes in the world, competition among

various parties means we have to change

the model. We have to evolve the model.

We have to. And so the question is how

do you do it? And unfortunately there

are too many people in America sitting

around and saying wow wow wow we don't

want to change. Mhm. But that's not, you

know, it's not changing because

whoever's in the Oval Office now wants

it to change. It It's changing because

they got to change. You have to change

for the times. I don't think most people

even think about this kind of stuff. I

think most people are more t are more

focused on

um squables that are irrelevant to

geopolitics

or the financial system. Keep them away

from the third rail. If I'm running

this, I don't want the general

population to mess with the third rail.

Do you know what I mean by the third

rail? What do you mean by the third

rail? On a transit system or a railroad

system, you have two tracks. That's

where the wheels go. You have a third

track. There's a little trim tap that

flips over and that's where the

electricity runs. Oh, okay. Okay. So,

that's the power. Okay. And you don't

want them messing with the power. So,

you keep them busy with divide and

conquer and the unipolar pendulum and

all that kind of stuff. But that has

nothing to do with what's really going

on, right? And when you say

that they need to they need the American

people to pay for what they're doing

when when you mentioned that earlier,

were you specifically talking about

individuals or were you talking about

like lobbyists? So So here's what I

mean. Um if you look at the federal

budget last year, so the 2025 year, uh

we had a military budget of 857

billion billion dollars and Hex says

wants to take it to a trillion. He says

it needs to be a trillion. The HHS

budget is 1.8

trillion. And that's because we're all

poisoning each other. American people

are poisoned. They're chronically ill.

And our our if you look at our health

care system, it's almost double the cost

of Switzerland's health care system. So

we spend more per capita than just any

country in the world by a lot. And so

it's very expensive. And um but so Mark

Skidmore, who is the professor at

Michigan State University, who's helped

me a lot sort of document the all the

money missing from the federal

government, he just finished a

calculation. We just did a show with him

on the salary report. If we cut

disability, so the number of people in

America who are disabled back down to

2010 levels, you would you would drop

that HH bud HHS budget by half a

trillion dollars. Wow. Right. So that's

what it costs to do to to poison your

population.

And that's why this battle around the

HHS budget and policies is so fractious,

including the fact that the government

is legally liable if the truth comes out

for poisoning

Americans. Which means if you look at

what Toby Rogers says, Toby Rogers is

the guy who's really tried to cost out

the price of autism.

So I got on to all of the HHS issues

because I was an investment adviser. And

what I discovered was that healthc care

fraud was the number one cause of of

family bankruptcy or loss of family

wealth. And and number two in my

experience was financial fraud. So

people were just losing their wealth

because they were being lied to. They

were being lied to by the healthare

system by hospitals. Everybody really

like legitimate healthcare

organizations. Okay. Yes. And and many

of those legitimate organizations really

didn't know. I mean, my father was a

very successful surgeon, you know. I

sort of grew up. Unfortunately, we'd

say, "Daddy, what did you do today?" And

then he'd really tell us. Oh, no. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. The dinner

table at our was was very We used to

read his surgical books for fun. What

kind of surgeon? He was he he had during

the World War II, they had taken the

University of Pennsylvania hospital and

literally picked up most of the people

and the organizational structure and

moved it under Stillwell to Burma. So he

grew up in um or or he did his

internship and residency in China, Burma

doing trauma. He was a MASH unit, right?

And when he came back, you know, cuz a

lot of the big um improvements they make

in surgery happens in wartime because

they have so much uh you know, so much

opportunity. And he when he came back,

he redesigned he worked and redesigned

how the emergency room should work. all

over the country. Wow, that's amazing.

And well, it was really funny because

both sides of my family, all the

competition, there were very competitive

people on both sides, but it was like,

okay, who did the most to save

civilization today? Okay, your

grandfather did this and your father did

that and you know, and so, for example,

his father had um had gotten the laws

changed so they could bring penicellin

to Tennessee and had introduced

penicellin to Tennessee. And that had

been a huge lifesaver for many people.

So at the dinner tables like your

grandfather brought penicellin to

Tennessee. What have you done today?

So this idea that you talk about of the

control grid, right? Can you explain

what the control grid is? Sure. So so

let's say the way George Keenan at the

end of World War II said we got 6% of

the people and 50% of the resources.

Mhm. And to keep that going, we're have

to we're going to have to be really

tough. We're going to have to drop a lot

of bombs. So Goldwater came along and he

said, uh, you know, we're going to have

to drop a lot of bombs and and be really

tough. And people said, "No, no, no.

We're good Christians. We don't want to,

you know, that's not us." So Jimmy

Carter came along and he shivered in

front of the fireplace and said, "We're

going to have to cut back." And the

American people said, "No, no, no, no.

We don't want to do that." So So, so

then the Bushes, I always say the Bushes

came along and said, "You know, you're

all the good Christians. Here's your

check. Don't ask questions." Okay. So,

what we've been doing is we've been

subsidizing the American people with the

blessings of sort of racketeering around

the world in the third world and running

the

warfare.

So, when you go from a unipolar to a

multipolar model, you lose the ability

to extract the resources you need to

keep that going. So, for example, if I

want to trade my Danny dollar

for, you know, labor and resources all

around the world and the BRICS nations

don't want to take the Danny dollar,

then I'm I'm losing the ability to

subsidize the American way of life.

Okay? So, I have to cut back. So, one

way to cut back, so you can say, "Oh,

well, there's a climate change

emergency. We want everybody to cut

back." You can try that. or you can, you

know, throw on tariffs and that's going

to cause even more inflation.

Everybody's going to cut back. But at

some point, if you're really going to

cut people

back, it it's very helpful if you have

complete

control. So if you're the bankers and

you want to control fiscal policy and

collapse the current constitution

system, if you can exercise complete

control with digital technology and an

all digital financial system, you have

complete control. So go back to the

pandemic. If we say, "Okay, we want you

and your family to lock down." Then

suddenly your money won't work outside

your house. You know, you can order a

pizza to be delivered, but you can't

leave the house. If you have an electric

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were watching this IMF panel and I

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that?" He said, "Don't worry, I got the

clip." I said, "That's, you know,

because in my world it's impossible that

anyway, but here's what he said, and

it's a 59 second video. You can run it

if you want." Um, if you go to our

website, we have a section called video

shorts. And in the financial transaction

freedom, we have about a hundred short

videos, and this is the first. He

basically said, you know, with digital

technology, and he was explaining

central bank digital currency, CBDC, but

you you can do it privately with stable

coins. It doesn't have to be a CBDC. It

can be a stable coin. And he said, um,

he said, uh, we can make the

rules of what you can do with your money

and we can enforce the rules of what you

can do with your money. Right? So, if

they say, you know, Danny, you know,

your health isn't what it should, you

can't you can't eat pizza, your money

won't work to buy pizza, right? Or you

can't travel outside the the limits of

your area code or your zip code. They

your credit cards turn off if you go out

there. So, you can't buy gas, you can't

buy food, right? But the the reality is

with AI and software, I can make a

entirely granular control system just

for you, one person at a time. Right.

Right. And so, I can do it for you.

broad brush. It's very specific. It's

eight billion and and I can collect all

the data and apply my social credit

system just to you. If you're good, you

know, you'll get maybe you can travel a

little bit more. If you're bad, you get

locked out. Maybe you can explain this

to me. uh because I've never had anyone

explain this to me before, but there was

a story that came out um a couple years

ago how and I forget the name of the

country, but there was a country

somewhere in Eastern Europe where um the

United States basically offered to pay

them like a couple billion dollars to uh

to mandate

vaccinations and all these sort of uh

controls during the pandemic and they

refused to do it and they refused the

money. But basically the United States

was paying another country billions of

dollars for for these mandates, right?

Well, they do that all over the country

and all over the world. I don't

understand that. That does not I don't

understand how that works. Can you

explain like why what is the benefit of

us giving billions of dollars to some

other random country on the other side

of the world for them to lock down their

own people? So, so there could be many

possible reasons, but one is

prototyping. So, you know, this is

something you're planning on doing in

your own country and you want to see how

you could get it to work in another

country and and it's a prototype. A lot

of times those are prototypes.

Okay. So, Steve, if you can find that

article. Yeah. It helped me to know

which country it was. Yeah. Sounds like

it might have been Hungary. Oh, might

have been Hungary. Yeah, that you might

be right. So, I found um it's a I don't

have access to it, but it's it says US

ends vaccine funds for poor countries.

That's not it. No, no. It might have

been it it was something that came out

where the president of that country like

um made like a public statement and

called out the United States. There was

one guy who called out the United States

and then he had an assassination

attempt. The fi five of the countries

that refused to do the mandates in

Africa. I have a big article about it.

They they their leaders either got

assassinated or were thrown out in the

next election. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, Steve, it might have been Hungary.

Check on Hungary, but it was one of

those countries right around there.

So, you know, my guess is uh because I I

worked for several years with a group of

doctors and scientists trying to

understand what was happening with the

injections and I absolutely believe that

they were trying to install operating

systems in people's bodies. Operating

systems. Yeah. So, this just got dark.

No, if you if you listen, there's a

great clip from right at the beginning

of the pandemic when the chief scientist

officer at Madna says, "We're installing

an operating system in people's bodies

and and he, you know, he's describing

something that can be used plug plug and

play for future vaccines." But if you

look at all the material on the internet

bodies, you know, you're talking about

putting materials in people's bodies

that make them basically easier to

interact with with telecommunications

and and digital technology. Are you

talking about like the 5G stuff and like

how 5G can connect to this stuff, nano

bots? There's a there's a whole there's

a whole I've had a I've done a podcast

on this before. It's so bizarre and out

there and like hard to grasp, but like

it's it's not hard to grasp at all

because it's just it just seems like

sci-fi. No, it's not sci-fi at all. It's

it's not just like they're they're

tagging livestock. I mean, if one of the

things that really helps you to

understand what this looks like, I live

in a farming community in the United

States and if you know about lives, if

you've ever studied livestock

management, no, never. A lot of this

makes a lot more sense. Okay. Um, you

know, and they are tagging all the

livestock, but this is simply a way of,

you know, if you if you get a lot of

these nano particles into the human

body, you're creating the equivalent of

an organic barcode. Okay. But I but was

there I don't think there was actually

any hard evidence that there was any

nano particles. I strongly recommend you

we just published um Patrick Wood at

Temocracy News. Uh I was the moderator.

We just published the second

um the second uh uh symposium called

omniwar and this one is called the

battle for the brain and it gets into

the internet of bodies and what here's

what I believe and I'm not a scientist

so don't ask me to explain this at all

but um if you look at all the patents

and research and other work done on the

internet of bodies

uh you know it is clear that that there

are mysterious ingredients in the food.

There are mysterious ingredients in the

spray. There are mysterious ingredients

in the injections. And the question is

what you know what are those for? And I

don't think I think it's very

intentional. I don't think it's an

accident. And I think one of the goals

is as the chief scientist officer at

Madna said is to is to install an

operating system in your body.

That's pretty dark. Yes, it's very dark.

So, go to the Purdue go to the Purdue

engineering website to the internet of

bodies and look at the whole internet of

bodies. I'm sure you're familiar with

the story of that guy Charles Liieber

who I think was a Harvard

nanobiologist. He there's actually a

story I just saw on Twitter this

morning. He just got sent to hired by

China to go work in a university in

China. He got busted basically for like

taking millions of dollars from China to

No, he got busted to keep him quiet is

what I believe. He got busted to keep

him quiet. quiet right explain what do

you mean by that so when you have a guy

so Charles Liieber is one of the world's

leading experts on brain machine

interface okay and he was working with

the guys in China you know in a very

significant way and he was one of the I

think he was the top expert at Harvard

on brain machine interface right right

and um and you know one they went after

him early they went after him hard and

they put him in a process where they he

had to be entirely shut up. And then so

they authorized Operation Warp Speed,

which remember it's a military program.

And who did they put in charge of it,

but they put the former head of research

at at GSK, who is what? A brain machine

interface

expert. The guy who ran Operation Warp

Speed that Trump appointed was a brain

machine interface expert. What was his

name? Oh, it's head of GS Glaco. Head of

research. Head of research. He had been

head of research at Smith Klein. Wow.

And and his expertise was brain machine

interface. And what's interesting for

many many years I've worked with

Clifford Carnicom on global spraying.

What's in the spray? What does it do to

you? And Clifford insists, we just did a

huge interview with him at the Silly

Report that the materials, the

biosynthetic engineered materials in the

spray or exactly what's in the

injections.

And don't ask me about it because I

can't explain it. Huh? Yeah, that's

bizarre. No, it here's the thing. If

you if you are running the planet and

you are a risk manager and you're

worried about all sorts of risks and you

can't tell people what's really going

on, the question is you've got to turn

the the aircraft carrier before it hits

the iceberg. Mhm. And that may be 20

years before it hits the iceberg and you

can't get people to follow you. And so

it's very attractive to have complete

control and to be able I mean if you

look at the amount of money that's spent

to influence people to adopt this opi

opinion or that opinion or keep them

busy or keep them away from the power

line. I mean the biggest investment

almost in this society is persuading

people you know to believe a fake

reality. And how how how specifically

where does that money go specifically

like not just to to news organizations

or like TV networks but like do do you

have any un or what is your

understanding of of how money is spent

influence ideas? So, so the first thing

you spend a whole world of money on

education to get them to get the

universities to present a certain kind

of you know view of the world and and to

promote certain things. So it starts

with education. Um a huge one of course

is media. So so media is also in all the

different ways you know it from news to

social media is affirming and

encouraging people to go certain ways.

And it's not just official ways like,

oh, please go, you know, vote in the

next election, right? It's entrainment.

It's subliminal program. There's real

mind control pulling. And you're pumping

that out where they're watching sports.

You're pumping that out where they're

watching porn. You're pumping that out

to get them to think that certain things

are real, other things are not real to

head them in certain directions. So you

have you have enormous overt media and

enormous covert media, right? That's

affirming all those things. Now your

your third big expenditure is on

intelligence because you're now tracking

everybody. So with AI and software, I

can track every person and I can watch

what they're thinking and saying and

doing and I can feed back to nudge them

if I want them to go in a certain

direction. So if I announce lockdowns

and I want everybody to really lock

down, then I persuade them this is all I

mean we persuade everybody there was a

pandemic when there was no

pandemic, right? It's pretty amazing.

Yeah. It's it's we're in a world now

where everyone has their own reality.

Unfortunately, it seems like the idea of

what is true is slipping away. And it's

and it's there's so many different

flavors of reality, whether that be

ideological, religious, political,

um, whatever it is. It's it's everybody

has just a different

truth on so many on so many different

levels. It's It's almost impossible to

have any consensus of reality anymore.

And I I Oh, I think it's very easy. Do

you? Yeah. Because if you just track the

math of time and money, it's concrete. I

mean, it's doesn't lie. That's that's

that's why I love you. I think that's I

think that's beautiful. That's that's

how I came to it. I'm a little I'm a

little girl in West Philadelphia, but I

because of who my family was and where I

went to school. In one week, I would go

back and forth between all these

different worlds and cultures, and I

couldn't make sense of anything cuz

everybody was lying. They were lying to

themselves. They were lying to each

other. I was like, I've I've been I've

been, you know, I've been I I've been

born into a nutouse here. And so,

finally, I thought, I have to find a way

to navigate this. And so what I came up

with was the was the mathematics of

time. I love math and that's my you know

math is one of my gifts. The mathematics

of time and money. And what I discovered

is if you could figure out the math of

time and money then you could figure out

reality. The math of time and money can

figure out reality. Where you know how

many hours? You just count up all the

hours. Where are they putting their

hours? Okay. Count up all the money.

Where are they putting their money? How

do they spend their money? So, I'll give

you an example. When I was the assistant

1984, I overheard two guys on Wall

Street billionaire types talking about

how they were going to roll out

entrainment subliminal programming on

TV. And it scared me to death. And that

was it for me in TVs. I never had

another TV again until the

administration. I had a friend helping

me decorate. I bought a big house in

Washington. And she bought a TV for me

without my permission. and she said,

"You can't work in the Bush

administration unless you watch the

Sunday shows." So, I had it for a little

while and then I gave it away cuz I hate

them. And uh but I because I was the FHA

commissioner, I'm working with the

budget for the home mortgage market. And

if you're working with that and the

resol at the time there's a big SNL

cleanup. So, I'm I'm working with all

the credit in the financial system in

the budget. And because we're going

through the 21 uh we competed for

appropriations with 21 other agencies, I

basically had to learn the whole budget.

So, I'm sitting there tracking dayto day

exactly what's happening in the budget.

And then I'm watching, you know, so

we're over here whacking up the money in

the budget. And you get on the Sunday

shows and they're talking about what's

going on. And they got this whole

fantasy about what's really going on.

It's got nothing to do with what's

really going on. They're just like,

"Wow." Yeah. Yeah. And so for a year,

the Truman Show. Exactly. Exactly. It

was the Truman Show. I'm watching. I

know exactly what's going on cuz I'm

looking at the money and I'm dealing

with the money and they're

going and it, you know, it's

entertainment. It's got nothing to do

with what's fascinating. Yeah. So, but

if you follow that's why, you know, the

What year was this? That was 89 and 90.

89 and 90. Yeah. 89 and 90 and that's

why so so under the law so there there

at the time there were four mortgage

insurance funds but there two of them

are most of the money so under the law

and the big one the single family fund

by law the first thing I did when I got

to Washington is I read all the law

related to what my responsibilities I

want to know under the law what am I

responsible to do so I read the law and

it said uh that I had sole fiduciary

responsibility for what was then the 320

billion mortgage insurance fund and I

was required by law to run it on a

self-sufficient basis. So the premiums

we charge for the credit had to cover

the defaults and expenses. So I'm

required to run it. So I decide, okay,

I'm going to try and get how much money

are we making and losing? So I called in

the budget officer. They bring in the

budget and it would have gone twothirds

of the way to the ceiling with all the

budget justifications. So I'm a

speedreader. I sp I read through it

several times that weekend. I called the

budget officer in on Monday. I said,

"Nowhere in this budget does it say

whether I'm making or losing money." He

said, "That's not in the budget." I

said, "If I have sole fiduciary

responsibility to run this on a

self-supporting basis, I need to know

that, right?" He said, "Well, the

accountants have that information." I

said, "Well, give me their number. I'm

going to call them." He said, "They

report to a different assistant

secretary. You're not allowed to talk to

them." And I said, "Well, that's going

to change." So, no, I had raised a lot

of money for George HW Bush and all I

got was a pair of cufflings and the

accountants moved over to report to me.

So, I did I used all my pull and I got

the accountants move report to me. They

come in the first day. We are losing $11

million a day in the single family fund.

So, I said, "Look, all real estate's

local. We got 10 at the time there were

10 federal regions. They're less now." I

said, "We have 10 federal regions, 80

field offices. Where are we making and

losing money?" He said, "We don't have

placebased financials." I said, "We mail

out checks. We have zip codes." I said,

"This is a rush. It's an emergency. Get

the nurse." Well, it turned out we were

making profit in eight regions and

losing everything plus more in two

regions, which was, you know, it was a

black budget. It was it was the Bushes

and the Clintons. It was the Texas

region, which included Arkansas, and the

Colorado region. It was just like just

it was a black hole of money just

vanishing. Yeah. It was the mortgage

fraud. So you remember it we had a big

the the SNL crisis in '89 and that

cleanup was a lot a tremendous amount of

mortgage fraud. Anyway, so I could talk

about all those guys in mortgage fraud

all day long but and then and then the

day before 9/11 um Ramsfeld says that we

have what was it like $4 trillion that

were unaccounted for. They were missing

DoD was missing 4 trillion but he said

2.3. She said it was 2.3, but it was

four. And we had I was working with a

reporter and we had a huge story coming

out that Friday about the whole missing

money and what it meant per person. So

we had calculated for each taxpayer in

each state how much you were

missing. So yeah, so that was the

financial coup which had started in

1998. And where did all that money go?

Well, that's what I've been trying to

figure out. And without the bank

statements, I can't I can't, you know.

So, so I've tried to map out because

money, remember, you're too young to

remember the Did you ever see the old

Pillsbury Doughboy commercials where

they squeeze out on one and it pops out

someplace else? Oh, I don't know about

that one. Yeah. So, you're probably too

young. So, so when the money started to

going missing from the Treasury and the

federal government, the offshore haven

started to just balloon, you know. So

this is going down and this is going up

and um anyway but but I have tried to

unpack where the money's gone and what

they've been spending it on and and you

know I have a lot of guesses but what's

your best guess?

I I think it's many different things.

The first thing I think you've been

financing a new system. So I call it the

breakaway civilization but I think

you've literally been financing a new

system. And it's like when you're

running a company and you you keep the

old systems going and you get the new

systems up and you bring the resources

over steadily and then at some point

you're ready to bring this down. And I

used to say the pandemic was the

breakaways breaking back in and taking

over. But but I think they've moved a

lot of money out and in theory if you

look at how much has been stolen it's

enough to run a global government on an

endowment basis. It is how much roughly

total has been stolen. So as of 19 as of

2015, there was 21 trillion in

undocumentable adjustments, but that's

not cash and and it could reflect money

coming in. So you could be bringing

money in from the war zone. So how much

is net missing? You know, it's

impossible to tell. But given

everything, I would be amazed if it

wasn't at least that much missing.

So now what I think you've been doing is

you've been making enormous investments

in blackbudget technology and

infrastructure.

So um you know so I think I think you've

got a huge physical infrastructure.

um some of it when you did 911 you were

able to move a lot more black budget on

budget and so that sort of eased the

pain because the problem with the black

budget as of 911 was to get that money

you had to tell you know it was it it

had gotten the fraud had gotten so

dysfunctional and wasteful. So you you

wanted to do more on budget, but uh you

know whether it's it's building a new

governance system and a new endowment to

run it or invisible weaponry, secret

weaponry, secret space program, um the

infrastructure underground to to

platform that. I think it's all those

things. One of the theories that has

been bouncing around in my head from

recent guests that I've had on is

that

military contractors have been taking

money from the US government and from

the Pentagon to develop futuristic

weaponry. Um develop new new uh physics

alternative propulsion. Absolutely. uh

crafts that have some sort of

alternative propulsion systems since the

70s or even actually probably since the

50s I think. Here's how it works. Okay.

47. Do you understand the legal

structure of how they did it? No. Okay.

47 you passed the National Security Act.

Okay. And that gives you the ability to

set up the secret infrastructure. 49 you

passed the CIA act. Mhm. They literally

had to kill the secretary of defense to

do that. They assassinated Foresttol to

get that done. We have a lot of

interesting material on the Forestto

assassination on the salary and you

should go through. Yeah, you should you

should learn about Foresttol and what

caused that assassination and what it

did to

create you literally took several

sections. Wasn't he a KKK guy?

Don't

Okay. Not that I know of. He was a He

was the president of Dylan Reed. He was

a partner of Dylan Reed. Okay. I thought

he was in the KKK for some reason. I

might be getting someone I might be

thinking to someone else. Never mind. I

I don't know. I I've never read that

about for I really studied him, but I

don't know. Okay. So, uh don't worry

about it, Steve. Well, even if he was,

that's not what got him killed. What got

him killed was standing in the way of

creating Israel and giving them the

nuclear bomb. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.

And he wanted disclosure on the black

budget. He was for disclosure on the

black budget and he didn't want Israel

he didn't basically he didn't want that

part of the organized crime syndicate to

get sovereign powers. That's so anyway

what happened was they made a deal on

the 49 they got rid of fartol they made

a deal on the 49 act that created the

CIA and that made the CIA the most

powerful banker in the world. Eisenhower

put him in charge of Area 51 security.

And literally once you look at how the

the exchange stabilization fund and sort

of the different money aspects of the 47

and 49

act organized to work. You've now

created this financial mechanism that

combines covert violence and makes it

the most powerful banker in the world.

Um, now not I should say on the covert

side, the most powerful bank in the

world is the BIS. So, so didn't they use

I could be wrong about this, but didn't

didn't uh Dulles take a bunch of money

from the budget to rebuild Europe after

World War II to build Area 51. That's

right. I don't know if he used that to

build Area 51. He ran a slush fund out

of the exchange stabilization fund from

Sullivan Cromwell and before they got

the 49 act created. And part of that was

to create this infrastructure because

part of it said you can you can

appropriate to all the different

agencies and then claw it out secretly

to give it to the intelligence agencies.

Right? So they created after World War

II and all the slush fund money they got

from World War II, they created a

mechanism to constantly replenish the

covert money. But here's the big thing.

When Bush came in during the Reagan

years as vice president, his deal with

the intelligence agencies was he gets to

run or with uh Reagan was he gets to run

the National Security Council and the

intelligence agencies. He creates an

executive order signed by the president

by Reagan that corporations can do

highly classified work. Now, let me tell

you what that means. What that means is

the Treasury can issue an infinite

number of bonds and use that money to

pay corporations to do highly secret

things, including just gifting them all

of the black technology funded by the

taxpayers and moving it onto their

balance sheet and do it in a secret way

that generates enormous profits in the

stock market.

Wow. Okay. So now you've got a way. Now

what's the number one source of campaign

contributions?

Companies like this. Capital gains.

Capital gains. Okay. Capital gains. I

have a stock. It's trading in a multiple

of 20. I give you a million dollar a

year contract. That goes up by $20

million. Your stock goes up. that

creates capital gains for the investors

and the executives who then turn around

and they or their law firms make

political contributions. It's a

kickback. Right. Right. Right. Okay.

Yeah. So, if you read my my book, I have

an online book called Dylan Reed in the

aristocracy of stock profits. And it was

designed to explain to you how that

kickback system works, right? Because uh

and the quote we have at the beginning

is an old New Jersey street saying,

"Make a law, make a business."

So every time the government does

something that makes stocks go up, they

get a kickback of campaign contributions

from that and of course the taxpayers

funding the whole thing.

Now let's go back to corporations. Now I

can transfer trillions of dollars of

invaluable black technology into the

corporations and fund them with

taxpayers money to own and develop it

secretly and keep it away from FOYA. So

you and I can put in a foyer and we

can't find out cuz it's behind the

corporate veil. right now. Now, one of

the fears about this is that since

allegedly since the 50s when they

started working on some of this stuff,

is that it's gotten so

advanced in these black corporate or

these these black military-industrial

complex, aerospace corporations,

whatever you want to call them, that

they've become essentially more powerful

than the US military. Correct. because

of the technology that they have power

they own. Now, I can't say that it's

more powerful than the US military cuz

they need the US military to do a lot of

what they're doing. Well, essentially

the way it was described to me is that

these

these corporations or these

organizations basically are so powerful

and have such advanced technology that

they have their own air force, their own

milit, their own navy, everything. And

we've had senators, we've had senators

stand up and say this, but what I call

them is a breakaway civilization, right?

They have broken away and they are so

much more advanced. Now, if you look at

their assets, what I would say, if I

could assert jurisdiction, those are our

assets. Those were either gifted or

stolen, they belong to us, right? But it

is it's not it's not corporations who

have a lot of technology. It is a

breakaway civilization and they

literally think of themselves as a

separate civilization and not subject to

our laws. Separate from not only the

United States from but separate from the

world from all all nations separate from

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show. I was in a meeting with the

secretary and he got very we had called

in the regional administrator. So, we

had 10 regional administrators and he

was very angry at the regional

administrator from California because he

had implemented a court decision. the

court had decided something. He had

implemented it and and the secretary was

very angry at him and and he said to him

in front of everybody, "Mr. Secretary, I

had to. That's the law." And the

secretary just explodes with fury. He

says, "The law, the law. I don't have to

obey the law. I report to a higher moral

authority." And that's a perfect

example. When you're in

Washington, you have a group of people

whose attitude is, "Look, as long as I'm

doing what the baggers tell me to do, I

don't have to obey the law. The laws are

relevant to me." You know, I I'm I'm

part of the breakaway law. You know, I

have to obey them. I don't have to obey

this law.

Now, as far as this quote unquote

breakaway civilization, we have we have

these private um military industrial

complex, aerospace, weapons development

agent companies and we also have these

banks. How connected are they? And like

what I know you've talked about like

space research and um even developing

underground facilities these deep

underground is it the same thing these

dums these deep underground military

bases right um they're they're investing

in all this stuff simultaneous

simultaneously. That's what it appears

to me to be. Okay. So, and and remember

a lot of the underground bases are

public or publicly announced or known as

existing. So, you know, and and there's

a lot of things you would do or store

underground just any good risk manager

would do it. So, I don't it's a

continuity of government thing to have

those kind of facilities, right? So, you

know, but I think the the in my guess is

the infrastructure is a lot greater than

is publicly has been publicly made aware

of like they have full cities under

there that would be live. That's what

some you know I don't know if you've

ever watched the different videos of the

truckers, but if you spend a lot of time

talking to the truckers because the

truckers have to deliver a lot of

material into those bases and you'll

get, you know, you'll get a lot of

reports about what they've seen or

heard.

So that's Have you seen the videos of

those salt

mines? There's like giant salt mines

over somewhere in uh in Poland, are you

thinking? Maybe Poland. Yeah. Um and

they're just enormous. They're just

these caverns with like I would say

they're 100 ft tall on the inside and it

it looks like like New York City

underneath a mountain. Really? They're

insane. And I I would imagine it could

be easily converted into some sort of

underground city, but there's salt mines

apparently. And there's just like like

lines of semi-truckss driving through

them. So the I'm I live half the year in

the Netherlands. Mhm. And the you know

the power of of Northern Europe grew up

on the fish. Look at that right there.

Oh wow.

Bizar. I bet I bet that's Poland. I

don't know. Yeah. Where's it at, Steve?

Uh huge salt mine planetarium. I don't

know. Click the

link about Dracula grave. Really?

Oh god. You can find it, Steve. We

believe in you. I grew up on the cod and

fishing. You know, a huge amount of the

wealth in northern Europe came from the

ocean, from the fish. Right. Right.

Right. But but the so I live in

Freezeland and the one of the things

that made free the Freezands were

amazing world travelers and they figured

out how to get the salt from the Polish

mines and salt the cod. So you could put

cod in a barrel salted and it you would

have animal protein that was good for 10

years so you could sail anywhere in the

world. Wow. Right. Yeah. All right. It's

Romania all the way out. Okay. Well,

that that would be consistent with

Dracula's grave. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's uh insane

photos and videos of this place that

that are just mindblowing and kind of

terrifying too. It reminds me of total

recall.

Yeah. Look at that. It's wild.

So I you know I will tell you that the

in my opinion you have a corporate

infrastructure which is literally out of

control. Mhm. So, one of the things I

used to have these fights with the

defense contractors because I was

required to to get the accounts when we

uh I still needed data and the systems

were run by the big defense contractors

at HUD and they would refuse to give me

the data. So, I would have these wars

with them. It's like who really runs

HUD? Is it the defense contractor or is

it the point, you know, the person who's

legally responsible? Right. Right.

right? You would have huge fights and

then you know the one of the biggest

problems is like like you were alluding

to earlier is they control the

government by paying by lobbying right

like they they they can control the

government by killing people who don't

do what they say that's how they control

the government

and lobbying

lobbying you know I mean they're they're

different layers but you know I'll give

you an example so I published I

litigated with the federal government

for 11 years and then fought with the

IRS and Anyways, 11-year shaggy dog

process. And when it was over, I didn't

want to go back into the investment

world without explaining what had

happened. So, I wrote an online book

called Dylan Reed in the aristocracy of

stock profits. I've tried to publish it

three times. The last time I each time I

ran into just enormous headwinds and

problems and threats, but the last time

they threatened to kill somebody in my

family, so I just What? Yeah. Yeah. Who?

Uh I I can guess where it's coming from.

I know how it was

delivered and and I know who delivered

the messages but who started it I can

guess but I I don't know but I I took

them seriously. I thought okay there's

it was delivered through somebody like

like in person through somebody you

know. Yeah. Yeah. Uh you know one two

were acquaintances one was somebody I

know but it it's very carefully crafted

so that the people who deliver the

message don't necessarily understand

what they're a part of. But Right.

Right. Right. and and I thought there

was a reasonably good chance that they

would do it. So I did you you never

know. And you just published this book

on your website. It was already on it

was already online. It was already

online. So I just left it online. It's

not censored. It's there. Right. Right.

Okay. So how how are so first of all

what is the Bank of International

Settlements and how are they tied to

this breakaway civilization? So the bank

of international settlements is a

central bank of central bank. So it the

63 largest most important central banks

in the world belong to the

BIS. The top central bankers meet there

regularly. They have a group called the

financial stability board that um

defines systemically important

institutions which to me appear to

essentially get some of the benefits of

their sovereign immunity and they have

the power to move money and hold it on

their on their balance sheet

secretly. So, um, if there's 21 trillion

missing from the US government, in

theory, you could move that 21 trillion

to the BIS and have it sit on the BIS

all day long and use the BIS to move it

to lots of countries who then donate to

the Gates and Clinton Foundation, for

example. Wow. I'm using that as a

theoretical example. You see what I

mean? Mhm. But but because they have

sovereign immunity, we've created since

World War II a whole network of

organizations around the world who have

sovereign immunity. They're above the

law. So we have um you know we have

parts of the UN, we have the World Bank,

we have the IMF, they have all sorts of

different variations of sovereign

immunity. We have a whole bunch in Latin

America. And we've created this meta

structure using international treaties

or using the sovereign immunity entities

for all sorts of behavior and and

um and economic activities that are not

subject to our national laws essentially

for running the world. Because if you

want to run the world, you can't obey

the laws. If you're if you're if you're

the I think you've used this analogy

before. If the world is your house,

right, and you're the owner of the

house, there are certain things that you

have to do that, right? And it allows

you to move a lot of money and a lot of

data and information secretly. When we

talk about these banks and the people

that are running these banks, like do we

know who the the individuals are? So, in

my experience, the system is run through

committees consensus. So, I'll give you

an example. When I was on Wall Street,

um, a lot of the money in the United

States is run around the federal budget,

okay? Because it's such a big portion.

In any county in America, 40 to 50% of

the income comes from the federal

budget. Okay? So, it it really drives

the economy. Okay. So, the

appropriations vote out, you know, sort

of their plan for the next year. And so

their recommended appropriations come

out from the committees and then the big

questions, the big things to be debated

or figured out or questions are rolled

up and sent out to the Bohemian Grove.

Everybody comes out to the Grove, they

meet and they chew over the big things

and then they make their decisions and

then that goes back to Washington.

Everybody's on vacation and then the

staff gets everything ready to vote for

the budget in September and then the new

budget goes forward in October. and and

if that process breaks down and you have

a real food fight, then you've got a

real mess. But the big decisions are

made by consensus and you use, you know,

whether it's a Bilderberg meeting or uh

Council of Foreign Relations, uh they're

a little bit different, but yeah,

executive committee of the Council on

Foreign Relations, you you you know, you

have uh these meetings where you get

people from all different industries,

all different occupations together so

they can coordinate and collaborate and

they make these decisions very much by

committee or consensus process.

Which is why once they agree to

something, everybody hates to, you know,

you can't buck it because, you know,

we've told 20 different industries we're

going to go to the right and so you

can't just go to the left and you hiccup

everybody. What can you explain to me

exactly what the Bilderberg Summit is

all about? So, I'm not that familiar

with the Bilderbergers. I mean, I never,

you know, if you look at who I worked

with, I mean, I worked with some people

on Wall Street or in Washington or in

the Bilderberers, but it was simply a

more international version. And my guess

is, if you look at, we grabbed so much

booty at the end of World War II. I

think one of the initial goals of the

Bilderberers was to manage that, you

know, that sort of pot of money. I heard

that Peter Teal and Eric Schmidt were

the representatives in the United States

for the Pilderberg's summit. So more

recently that's possible because the

tech, you know, tech is so important to

build the control.

So um and you know, I hate to say it, we

the 21 trillion is, you know, we sort of

sucked out as much money as possible and

put the government on a debt trap, but

if you look at what they're doing now,

now they're stealing all the data. And

it looks to me like they're building up

to to steal the rest of the assets.

What's left? H there's um if you look at

the if you have an AI and you want to

build a control grid and a social credit

system, the most valuable data you need

is payment data. And so taking the

social security, the IRS, and the

Treasury payment data, it's the most

valuable data or some of the most

valuable data in the world. Oh wow.

Right. So that's worth It's funny. Naomi

Wolf and I were trying to cover this at

one point and she said, you know, that

data is worth more than a trillion

dollars and it is. And it's interesting

because Musk was out raising capital for

XAI and had a deal with Palunteer AI at

the same time. And my guess, you know, I

think Palanteer has an AI. Yeah. Oh, I

didn't even know that. Well, according

to published

reports, XAI and

Palanteer had made a partnership and and

when Musk was sucking all this data out

and my guess is that data

is, you know, they they they sucked it

into the AI on the just do it method.

What do you make of of everything Elon

is doing and Doge and buying X and Well,

let me come around to that and um and

I'll I'll the other thing is and and

this is from a video uh an interview

Howard Lutnik said he said don't worry

about the so he's the secretary of

commerce but he was a primary dealer and

he was the guy who lived next to Epstein

for many years. Okay, he lived next to

her. Okay. So, Lutnik says, "Uh, don't

worry about the $36 trillion of debt

because we have on the US balance sheet,

we have 500 billion, uh, I'm sorry, 500

trillion of land and mineral resources,

which is true. The federal government

owns a huge amount of the land in the

United States." Oh, wow. Right. And

during Trump, in fact, he ordered up a

ge geological survey that would allow

basically to map 100% of the mineral

resources in the country. H so um if you

want to plunder the US balance sheet,

you know, it's worth a fortune. It it

could create, you know, new kind of

Roths Shield and Rockefeller fortunes if

you plundered it.

This is crazy stuff. No, it's not. It's

just money. It's just money. No, but

here here's the thing. We don't have we

have one problem in the United States.

We have a secret governance system. And

that secret governance system has

decided to change how we're governed and

managed. And we're having a big

disagreement because they want central

control. And digital technology will

allow them to do that for the first time

in history. And we don't want that. We

want to be free. So, we're having a big

debate about whether or not we're going

to go to a complete control grid or

we're going to be free. That's the

debate. And whether the, you know, the

breakaways can break back in and say,

"Okay, we're dictating to you now that

we've stolen all your money. We're going

to dictate to you how you're going to

live." So, who who is it that

specifically that wants this control

grid? Is this is this just some evil

group that is decentralized from the US

government somehow has control over them

or is this is this sort of just like a

diaspora of good and evil that is

littered throughout the entire US

government?

So, so you know think of this as a

dynamic discussion back and forth

between the population and the people

who are responsible to manage the

planet.

And you know if you if you come up

through the layers of the financial

system both the bankers the insurance

the whole thing and then the people who

make the top governance decisions you

know and I can only guess who they are

but I have some guesses you know they

are responsible for the

intergenerational pools of capital and

they were responsible for risk and they

over the last 50 years in my experience

they have been exceptionally frustrated.

They find managing the general

population very frustrating and scary

because remember occasionally you have

re revolutions and people get

guillotine. Right. Yeah. So they're

afraid of my personal experience is

they're very afraid of the general

population because they are few and we

are many. Right. Right. and and they're

risk managers and they think in very

long and what's happened is in

particularly in the United States you

have a huge cycle of disrespect now

between the general population and the

people responsible to lead the financial

system and um and the more the criminals

get away with really bad stuff the more

they hate the general population and

it's become a very

ugly cycle of

disrespect you know in in a way that

didn't exist when I was a kid. So, uh

and and that is dangerous because well,

look at the great poisoning. I mean, we

have the US government systematically

poisoning and killing the population.

The COVID pandemic was a mass

atrocity. You've killed millions or

you've you've killed or disabled

millions of Americans intentionally.

And why do you think specifically they

did? Does this have some anything to do

with depopulation? It has to do so so

the budget deal in 1995

broke and and that was I I it was

described to me by the top pension fund

the president the largest pension fund

in the country described it to me in

1997 he said they've given up the on the

country they're moving all the money out

starting in the fall so a concerted

effort was made to put the government

and the retirement system on a sound

financial basis

It didn't work. They decided, okay,

we're just going to start pulling money

out. That's when the financial coup

started. And that is when decisions

started to be made that systematically

lowered life expectancy.

And for from 19 from 2000 to 2017, well,

ever since then, I've been on every

radio show or internet show that will

have me talking about the 21 trillion

missing. And that's because it's a

formula. You have retirement funds. If

you won't fund them, and the political

wheel made it very clear in 1995, we

refuse to fund them. you only have

another way to balance the budget and

that's to lower life expectancy and so

we don't have to pay them. Well, if you

look at the charts literally from from

when that budget deal busted life

expectancy started to fall. So here are

the other 19 industrial countries and

here's the US and it starts to go down

down down and then the pandemic it drops

off the cliff and we the divergence

between and it target and the during the

pandemic the people that were most

affected were were elderly or people

that were you know already on death

store with multiple coorbidities. Some

you know it's a little bit more complex

than that but yes and and the latest

reports from social security is it's

working you know social security has

improved. Oh wow. But here's the thing.

I'm going to be a tough guy. This is a

formula. So So you either put the money

in tapering the Ponzi scheme. I've heard

I've It's not a Ponzi scheme, but if

you're not going to fully fund it, then

you can lengthen retirement age or you

can lower life expectancy. It's a

formula, right? And if the if the body

politic refuses to do the financially

responsible thing, then you got two

choices and you can't get there by

delaying the retirement age. That won't

work politically. So you just poison the

you just put them on a slow kill. And

that's what's happened. And you can say,

"Oh, the bankers are bad guys." But if

you saw the confirmation hearings for

Kennedy's appointment Mhm. I mean, what

you saw were scores of senators, yes,

refusing to take responsibility for a

chronic epidemic among our children,

which is an extinction level

event. That, you know, that was not the

banker sitting in the city of London.

That was senator sitting in Washington

refusing to take responsibility. You

know, it's one thing to say to Kennedy,

"We don't like your plan to end the

chronic epidemic, you know, of illness

among our children. Here's a better

plan." But they wouldn't own it. You

know, they just want to say, "Mm-

no, it was, you know, that is that is a

society that will

fail. I mean that's that if you if

you've ever this this is because a lot

of those congressmen and senators were

paid for by pharmaceutical companies

right

there are many plausible

explanations none of them good right so

they could have control files they could

be bribed they could be mind controlled

they could be not care they could you

know there are many possible reasons

none of which are good But what they're

not is they're not competent to be a US

senator. Right. Totally right. They

don't.

Wow. Um and and if I'm the bankers and I

want to control fiscal policy, you know,

I've proven on national TV that the

people who run fiscal policy are not

competent to run it

because the HHS budget is is bankrupting

the country. And it's not just

bankrupting the country. I mean, I was

an investment adviser for 10 years, and

the way I learned all about this is

watching the health care system bankrupt

families. So, that's my, you know, what

I'm angry about is there is no reason

why our economy can't be highly

prosperous and successful.

But it can only be successful if the

people are successful, if our children

are successful, if our families are

successful. That's what it takes to have

a successful civilization.

But how do you push back this sort of,

for lack of a better term, crony

capitalism that is seems to be

intrinsically tied to the US government

and it seems like all that matters is

that and and the people are like the

middle class is being gutted. There's

more billionaires being So here's what

you do. The first thing you do is you

bring transparency. So that's your

business, right? You're trying to bring

transparency to what's going on, right?

Second thing is you describe the

solutions and the real solution is when

millions of us proceed to behave because

right now the people who are

implementing all the evil doing all the

poisoning all the control grid the

people who are implementing you know who

they are us. We're we're implementing

this. I I could I could walk into a room

of health freedom activists, get all

their retirement funds, pull together

all the stocks, and show them they're

financing

it. They're putting they're supporting,

you know, we are going to work and

implementing this. We are putting our

money into this and we have the power to

change that overnight. If 10% of the

people in the country called up their

broker and said, "I am not financing any

of this evil doing. pull my money out

all these bad guys and you know I'm not

gonna buy them. I'm not going to support

them. I'm not going to date them. Pull

our money out of the banks. No. Pull

your money shift your money to the banks

that are good. You you've got a

tremendous number of great banks and

honest bankers in this country who would

love to to diminish this. What are the

good banks? So, if you go to salaryi, we

have um we have an article called how to

find a good local bank and we have um a

four-part series on how to identify and

find a great bank or credit union. Okay.

But it's a I take a JP Morgan's not one

of the good ones. So, we have a very

interesting document. If you do a search

on salary for JP Morgan Chase Oh,

really? We had a um a subscriber after

the financial crisis and and in my

personal experience JP Morgan was deep

in the mortgage fraud at FHA in the

government. So she continued to bank at

JP Morgan Chase and uh and I'd had I

don't know if you know how the maid off

fraud worked. Yes, I'm I'm familiar.

Okay. So maid off after the mid uh 90s

only had he had two businesses. He had a

brokerage business and he had a um uh

the money management the Ponzi scheme.

Mh. And the Ponzi scheme only had one

bank account at JP Morgan Chase. So I

was interviewing Helen Chaitman who's

one of the attorneys who litigated the

maid off she'd been a maid off victim

but represented other made off victims.

And I said to her, um, I said, "Helen,

who was the securities custodian? If JP

Morgan Chase was the bank account, who

was the securities custodian?" And she

said, "There was none because he never

bought any securities." And I said, "But

Helen, that means JP Morgan Chase

controlled the whole time."

In other words, under the laws, they

knew that Maidolf was not buying any

securities because there was no

securities custodian and and the money

in fact they would run with huge

balances at JP Morgan Chase according to

her interview. It's wow, right? They

they were

the senior partner. That's insane. They

were the senior partner. So, you should

it's an amazing interview. Anyway, so so

I had this person put together a list of

every criminal and civil money penalty

that JP Morgan Chase had paid from 2006

to I think it's 2018. It's up at Lerary.

And then we had our editors go through

very very carefully. And we found $42

billion of civil and criminal money

penalties

for financial, you know, activities that

I would describe as, you know, they

clearly knew they were defrauding people

and harming people. And, you know, so my

question is why is anybody if an

institution would do

that? Now, I I can make arguments where

it makes sense for somebody to have

their money at JP Morgan Chase for

things we don't need to go into. There's

all sorts of esoteric reasons, but I

would say that a majority of people who

are free to move their money out of JP

Morgan Chase, why don't they?

Why why wouldn't you acting? It's so

convenient. The app, have you ever used

the app? It's great. They got zel. You

can send money with zel to anyone super

easily. So, having been I don't think

people have time to think about this

stuff, you know, like normal everyday

working people. So, so you're saying

that you would do business with the

Russian mob because it's convenient. I

mean, if I knew I was doing business

with the Russian mob, no, I wouldn't do

that. Right. So, what I'm telling you

is if if you will do business with

people who who steal and

defraud, then it's I would choose not to

if I knew about it. Crime that pays is

crime that stays.

Okay.

So I mean if you look at the financial

crisis you know we shoveled 27 trillion

of taxpayers money into

institutions you know so so that was a

huge theft that was a huge st taking why

would you ever bank with any of those

institutions if you could avoid it right

and there are times some people can't

avoid it so I'm not but but I mean I'll

never forget being in Washington there's

some big protest and one of the guys

said to is look, as long as they have

City Bank credit cards in the back of

their pocket, I don't care if they walk

up and down.

Why? Because that's

that's tra that's traceable, right?

They're tracking. Well, as long as

you're giving me all your data and

you're giving me all your money. Mhm.

And I control your money and your data.

All the money and the data. Yeah. What

do I care if you walk up and down?

But isn't so Trump has been super this

this current administration this new

administration or at least when Trump

was running he was very pro Bitcoin.

Trump was put in by the bankers to get

the control grid. The other team in the

unipar wasn't moving fast enough. They

they couldn't get the control grid. I

knew it. I've never I sent you a link.

We just did a new collection of all the

things Trump is doing to move the

control grid. He is moving very very

fast. He it it when it comes to building

so first he's getting the real ID

implemented very aggressively real ID to

do a control grid you need a very high

quality precision national ID that's

interoperable with all the other IDs

around the world and he's got Christy

Nome out there pushing the real ID like

there's snow tomorrow so they're working

and it's it's done through the states

but the feds are pushing it so the first

thing you need is a digital ID the

second thing you need is an all digital

financial system so you got to kill cash

and you got to make everybody interact

digitally. And if you look at what he's

doing with taxes and social security,

he's trying to make everybody, you know,

he's canled pennies, but he's also

cancelled now, you know, normally I pay

my taxes with paper. And now he's

saying, "No, you got to do everything

digital for it's not this year, but next

year really." So, he's trying to, if you

go through that list, I've got like, you

know, 50 different items of what he's

doing. Um, and if you look at what

they're doing with the Genius Act and

Stablecoin, he said no CBDC's, but

stable coin, so I don't know if you've

read the Genius Act, which is the new

plan for stable coins. Okay, a CBDC is

issued would be issued by the Federal

Reserve. So presumably the New York Fed

and the Fed member banks. Okay, now they

are owned by their members. So, City

Bank, JP Morg, they own as members, they

own the New York Fed and you know,

basically govern it. Okay. And and and

the New York Fed is the depository for

the Treasury and and the different banks

work as agent to do those transactions.

Okay? So now under the Genius Act, what

they're saying is the guys who own the

New York Fed are all going to create

subsidiaries and issue stable coin which

will be interoperable and can work with

a a social credit system. Now here's the

beauty of it. You know, the the New York

Fed under the law has direct obligations

to Congress and Congress has

jurisdiction over them. If you do it

through the owners of the Fed, through

their private subsidiaries, you're going

to have some degree of freedom. So it

gives you more freedom. Oh my god. Yeah.

So if you think this is improvement, you

have another thing coming. Anyway, but

what they're planning to do on

stablecoin, which I have to say as a

financial matter is quite

clever. Remember the pallets of cash you

sent to Iraq. Oh yeah. Okay. This is

going to be the digital equivalent of

the pallets of cash sent to Iraq because

what they want to do with stable coins,

so a stable coin is just a bank deposit

or a treasury bill or bond. So, it's

fully collateralized by a dollar. You

put a dollar in and and these stable

coins are going to I mean, you have some

stable coins that do gold or other

things, but these are going to be

dollar. And this is going to create a

huge market for the treasury bills and

bonds and and you're going to so you're

going to the bank subsidiaries will

create the stable coins. They'll be

fully collateralized in treasury bonds

or bills, but then you can send them out

on Google payment and Apple payment and

all the wallets around the world. And

literally, you can get people from

Bolivia to South Korea coming into your

state and using stable coins. So, you're

literally going to tend for the global

population, try and get everybody off of

their local currency into stable coins,

and you're going to pump out massive

amounts of private credit to make it

really attractive.

So, you're just going to hand out money

and and get everybody on the dollar.

And you don't think the bricks would try

to compete with this? Of course, they

would, right? Yeah. Of course.

And do you think this is something that

could legitimately be implemented? And

if so, how soon do you think they would

start doing this? I think as soon as you

pass the Genius Act, it can go very,

very fast.

And where are we at right now with with

the Genius Act and it getting passed?

I'm assuming it's going to pass sometime

soon. If if it doesn't pass before the

session breaks, it'll pass in the fall

is my

guess. So, it it it could you could

really see the world rock. Now, our

problem in America is Trump aware of all

this stuff or what do you think what do

you think his what is his motive in all

of this? or not his motive, but he is he

basically a useful idiot here.

So, I don't I don't know Trump. I lived

in New York for 11 years and and the PR

firm we use was did his business, too.

Everything I know about Trump, I know

from Howard Rubenstein and company.

Anyway, but um you know I think

Trump I think Trump is in a

box and and you know and and all I see I

I have to judge people by what they're

doing and what it looks to me like Trump

and and Musk are implementing the

control grid at high

speed and and don't believe me go look

at that list because what you have to

say is Okay, to do a control grid, we

need a digital ID implemented that's

very highquality, high precise. Check

the box. We need an all digital

financial system. Check the box. You

know, we need a way of doing

interoperable money. Check the box. If

you look at what Doge is doing, we need

a social credit system. Check the box.

Wait, what do you mean by that? What

Doge is doing? Doge is from what it

looks like to me and I'm basing my

assessment of what I know from Doge

includes you know I read the Financial

Times I read the Wall Street Journal and

I need read Wired Wired has done a very

thorough job of trying to document

what's happening in the systems and I

think basically what they've done is

they've taken so so if I wanted to stop

fraud in the US government I would say

there's 20 trillion missing from DoD

there's a trillion missing from HUD I'm

going to go in, figure out where it

went, and get it back. Right? That's not

what they did. If you said to me, I want

to build a social credit system that can

be used to enforce control against the

American people and basically lock them

down with both enforcement and social

credit. I would go get the social

security data, the IRS data, and the

Treasury payment data. And that's

exactly what they did. And I would

privatize it. I would just take it and

put it in private AI with XAI and

Palunteer AI and and if Palunteer still

has the contracts with Treasury and the

IRS to enforce, you got everybody. And

you had the God Kennedy's aggregating

the healthcare data. You put it with the

healthcare data. Now, they've been

Danny, they've been aggregating this

kind of data. I used to call it the data

beast. So, they've been aggregating this

kind of powerful data since the '9s. So

I don't think this is all new. So for

example, you IRS data, healthcare

data and combining it all together into

one system with combined with AI, right?

But I think this time the government has

done the federal government has

generally done a pretty good job of

siloing the data to protect privacy laws

for many applications. But I think this

unsilos everything and moves it private

and puts it on an outofcrol basis is my

guess as to what's probably happened.

Now this is conjecture, remember? But

yeah,

if I wanted to build a control grid,

that's exactly what I would do.

Wow. Let's take a quick break. I got to

use the restroom. We'll be right back.

I'm curious um about Joseph Farel. Mhm.

and you know what you what you know

about him, your connection to him. So,

you know, I've worked with him for

years. We're very close. Oh, really?

Yeah. Yeah. How did you guys meet? Are

we back up, Steve? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So,

I I met Joseph by reading his books. I

started reading his books and I just

concluded he was a great scholar. Never

occurred to me that I could get to know

him. And then I met him and we started

to work together. And uh every quarter

we do a 5 to 10 hour recording called

news, trends, and stories. It's

basically going through what happened

over the last quarter of the last year.

We do four a year and we look at

everything that's going on on a very

integrated basis. So we go through the

top, we'll define the top 10 to 15

stories and then we go through something

called unanswered questions. And I'm

we're both great believers in framing

questions. If you don't have the

intelligence you need to know to know

for sure what's going on, you can still

define questions and and and and use

those questions to learn more and more

and more and get to the point where you

know more. So, and we have a section

called unanswered questions and then one

called inspiration. And we spend five to

we just finished a 10-hour recording for

the Yeah. The the number one story was

three hours. it was the Trump the first

70 days. So, so my understanding for

people who don't know who he is, my um

shallow understanding of Joseph, his his

background is he's published 10 books on

how there is this breakaway civilization

of Nazi origin. So, Joseph, the thing

you have to understand about Joseph is

Joseph is a great scholar. He is a

scholar. He has his PhD from Oxford. He

studied petristics and ancient Christian

theology and he intended to have a very

serious academic career and he proceeded

into academia after having his

doctorate. He grew up in South Dakota

and walked smack into the fact that the

American academic institutions were all

not interested in serious scholarship

and were headed the wrong way. And he

literally ended up at one point as a

working in a casino as a dealer. Oh wow.

Yeah. trying to support himself. So then

he just started writing books about, you

know, sort of um what's going on and he

focused on, you know, so again, we've

been talking about the breakaway

civiliz, you know, who's really wanting

things and why are they doing what what

and he'll go way back in history. He'll

go back a thousand 2,000 years. the

Venetians. How have the Venetians and

the Venetian model rolled into the

central banking model or how did the

Nazis roll into the breakaway

civilization? He does a lot on the

secret space program and he's absolutely

brilliant. And what happened to me was I

was an investment

adviser and Joseph was the only when

when I tried to explain to the people

who were doing shows related to the

stock market and the financial system,

they couldn't incorporate the black

budget and the covert side of the

economy was getting bigger and bigger

and bigger. and you couldn't

explain what was happening in the

financial system by using the official

reality. And so what I discovered is

even though Joseph's expertise is

petristics and theology and you know

ancient history and all these other

things, he was better on the financial

system than the financial guys because

he could integrate all the information

related to the secret governance system

and science. He's very good on science

and so so he and I worked close more and

more closely together and he's had a

very profound impact on me because one

of the things he taught me was we have

to we can't save the government

necessarily but we can save the

culture. And I when he said that I had

no idea Danny what that meant. It's like

I'm an investment banker. How do you

save a culture? You know I don't know

what to do. and and he really got me to

understand the power of each one of us,

you know, I knew about this financially,

but each one of us in our personal

lives, you know, building the culture

that we want to live in and and doing it

with all of our time and money and um

anyway, so so we've collaborated both on

the cultural issues as well as the

geopolitics and news. And I don't know

any any person. So he he was also

worried as I was about the plunder we're

seeing in the in the government. And and

you know we've always known as these

guys plundered all around the world that

they've said they were going to come

back and plunder North America. So he

just published a book on reconstruction

after the Civil War because he wanted to

warn people this is what plunder looks

like. Okay. So anyway, but he's

absolutely brilliant and if you look at

the content that you've covered on your

podcast, there's there's no topic that

you've talked about that he's not right,

you know, has something he he he has

something fascinating to say about

anything. The other thing I did with

Joseph that was just a blast and

remember we're we're constantly in

cahoots is um I crowdfunded So Larry

crowdfunded a digital organ for him. A

digital organ? I was I was at his house

one day and I said, "Joseph, you're you

know, you're not yourself." And he said,

"You know, I just dealing with the

content we deal with, it's depressing."

And I said, "Well, what do you do for

fun?" He said, "I'd love to play the

organ." He plays the organ. And I said,

"Well, why don't you go play the organ?"

He said, "I can't because all the

churches, the insurance companies won't

let other people use it now, so the

churches won't let me play their

organs." And I said, "Well, how much

does it cost to buy an organ?" And he

said, "Well, you can get a digital

organ." And I said, 'Okay, well, I I'm

going to we're going to do a crowdfund

for a digital organ. And it was during

the campaign in

2016. And literally, there were about

200 people in the Cari network who

crowdfunded a digital organ for for

Joseph. And it was like a whole process.

We went through three phases. We had

lunchons and meetings. And it became

like a little cult, you know what I

mean? It's like, you guys have an

election, we're going to crowdfund and

learn all about organ music. And it was

um so now I listen to a lot of organ

music and I travel around Europe going

to great organ concerts. So I'm now I'm

really into it. Oh that's great. Yeah it

is great. It's it's really you know if

you've ever been in a beautiful

cathedral with organ music it's like an

electromagnetic healing. Oh yeah. Yeah.

And it's really amazing. I bet I can I

can never I've never experienced it but

I can imagine. Oh you have to take your

whole family go to chart. go to Mo

Michelle when there's a great Oregon

concert. It's Isn't he a uh like a

Orthodox priest or something? He's

Russian Orthodox. He's Russian Orthodox

and he's very devout and very you know

he he takes his theology seriously. So

I'm always getting yelled at because I'm

not I'm a I'm a you know I'm Christian

but I'm not Russian Orthodox. Yeah,

that's interesting. So, so his so he

ultimately has been writing about these

breakaway civilizations forever. Years.

Yeah. For years. Years. Yeah. He's been

on it from the beginning. Yeah. And his

his theory that these are somehow they

come from the Nazis or something like

this. So So take it back to um you know

about Admiral Bird after World War II.

Remind me. Okay. So, Admiral Bird uh

took a force of the a Navy naval force

down to Antarctica.

Okay. And uh this operation high jump.

Yes. Okay. And came back very quickly

having lost I think ships and men or

something. But whatever happened down

there, we got whooped. And um and so the

question has been since then, you know,

cuz the Nazis were clearly down there

be, you know, during World War II, but

you know, so and the Nazis never, if you

look at the surrender, according to

Joseph, the Nazis never surrendered. The

German government surrendered, but the

Nazis never surrendered. And and we know

Dulles was in Switzerland the whole time

laundering money back and forth, and the

rat lines got a lot of money out. And

so, and we brought we brought 4,000 plus

scientists, Nazi scientists into the

national security state. Well, some

people or um a guy who's been on this

show before, he's a a philosopher and a

historian on this stuff, uh Jason

Georgiani was explaining to me how

essentially Dulles and the National

Security State funded the Nazis. Yeah.

So there's a wonderful book, I don't

know if you've read it, Charles Higum,

trading with the enemies, and he

literally describes people stopping, you

know, ballbearing orders going to the US

military so that they could go to

Germany to keep the tanks going. So you

literally had a meta structure, whether

it's Dulles in Switzerland moving money

back and forth or literally the American

industrial establishment helping keep

the German tanks going. So, you know,

you literally had a whole corporate

infrastructure that was on both sides of

the of the fight. So, I'm curious. So,

so this breakaway civilization that

we've been talking about of bankers,

central bankers and

um uh private military contractors, what

is there some sort of cohesive ideology

that they that they uh entertain?

Not that I know of.

um you know and I think that is one of

the reasons I think they're going to

fail because they

don't you know I have seen in different

sections or spots

uh a culture or a theology or a

philosophy but but I've never seen in

the

overarching and and now what you've seen

is you've seen groups you know uh you

see some groups who are

just you know it's It's just mafia. It's

just

crime. So, you know, I I would say

culturally the reason the unipolar model

failed was the culture failed

for the United States for the United

States. But if you look at what the the

groups who seem to be have power

positions globally, I I think their

culture will fail. I don't think any I

don't think any of the world's

superpowers have any sort of

cohesive ideology, do they? I don't

think China does China. I think China

does, but but it's weakened

tremendously. And um maybe Russia is

more so. Russia probably has the best

shot of anybody. And it's funny, the

Russians tried to recruit me in 2005. Oh

yeah. And they had a whole speech about

how they were building a great culture

and and if you look at everything they

said or the fellow who was trying to

recruit me said and what they're doing,

you know, they seem to be it seems what

he said seems to match what they're

doing. Why did they try to recruit you?

Well, I have a theory. I can't, you

know, I know what happens, but but I

don't, you know, you never know what.

Totally. Okay. So, so um so I got the I

won't bore you. I was at conference and

outside of the country and and I got a

very impressive uh guy who apparently

was advising Putin and he did a great

job of trying to recruit me and I just

kept saying to him nobody likes a

traitor you know that's you have to you

know you have to dance with the guy you

came to the party with and he said

they'll never trust you they'll never

let you back. I said I know but I don't

care you know I'm not I'm an American so

you can't you can't change that. And

this is when you were working for who?

This is 2005 before I'd settled the

litigation. And I went home. I was

working in Montana on a food project.

And so I'm in a ranch in Montana. I got

home and I said, "Something's wrong.

Something's really wrong." And they had

tried to force me to settle and I

wouldn't. And the negotiation was just,

you know, I was like, "You are going to

pay me the money you owe me, and I'm not

going to settle until you give me the

money." And it got really mean.

And they had pushed and pushed. It got

mean and mean and then and I think they

really wanted to settle because they

wanted to they knew they were going to

bring the mortgage bubble down and I got

home and I said something's wrong.

There's something I'm missing here. So I

got online and researched and I

discovered

that Russia and their wealth funds were

the the number two holder in the world

of US mortgage securities. What? Yeah.

And I said that was Fanny and Freddy

were trying to get me out of town. And

that wasn't that wasn't the Russians.

That was Freddy and Fanny. And it was

right after that that they finally

settled.

They paid me the money. Wow. And that's

crazy. Well, things, you know, here's

the thing. It's not the world, you know,

when you look at things through money,

things look very different than they do

if you're right. Yes. Yes. very it's a

much more objective way of

measuring all of the crazy stuff that

you read about or hear about.

Right. So I I think it was just a way of

getting me out of town and because then

they wouldn't have to pay me the money

if I was a trader.

No, really. Right. No, it makes total

sense, right? It makes total sense. You

know, some of the craziest stories I've

ever I've ever heard about um like uh

people being followed or spied on or

intimidated h have been people have

suggested that this is not the US

government that's doing this. These are

contractors that are doing these are

private private organizations. Well, a

lot of the people who were following

me, you know, they're funded by the US

government, but they have contractors,

but then the contractors have what I

call stringers, you know, people they

just pay daily. It's gig work enforcers.

No, it's just gig work. Okay. You you

get an assignment on your smartphone

that tells you to follow this person

around for the day or something, but

it's it's they're gig workers. And a lot

of them are stringers, you know, they've

been uh, you know, they're like drug

addicts or, you know, and they're just

making gig money. Oh, really? Yeah. So,

I had the whole, you know, I had the

whole portfolio all the way from, you

know, a real government employee to a

government contractor to stringers.

So, yeah, I've dealt with them

all. Again going back to this this idea

of of uh this breakaway civilization

some of the stuff that uh Fll has talked

about is there what what is

um they have ideas about genealogy and

eugenics and a lot of them are

eugenicists and believe in this idea of

this master race.

So I can only tell you what I personally

experienced.

But they do believe in bloodlines and

the notion of bloodlines is very serious

and real. And they do believe, you know,

just like they believe in breeding raceh

horses or champion cattle. They do

believe that some people are genetically

superior to other people, right? And

that's part of the bloodlines. And I

don't know a lot about I only know what

I've experienced, but I don't know a lot

about it. What I do know

is, you know, one of the big unanswered

questions I have is how much have they

been doing genetic engineering of

children all along. So, um, and I

suspect they probably have

been. So, you see saw the movie Hannah,

right? I don't think so. Oh, see the

movie Hannah. It's all in the movies,

you know. It's I remember in America

fact is fiction and fiction. Well,

you've seen I know you talked about the

uh the novel the science fiction novel

uh three body problem. I heard you talk

about that, right? which is basically

the idea of this uh alien this alien

civilization coming here from another

star system that has like three sons and

they can't survive and somebody

contacted them somehow and like let them

know that we have a planet here and

they're on their way here and they're

trying to stifle all scientific

innovation on the planet earth and so we

don't so by the time they get here in

like 450 years we can't develop

technologically to be able to fight them

off right so one of the things I believe

have you ever read uh rings of Saturn no

Norberg. Oh, that's a book you should

read. I can send it to you. Okay. It's

in When I first tried to buy it was

$2,000, so somebody sent it to me in

PDF. No, I think I think you know if you

if you can't get it, I I'll send you the

PDF. Yeah. Um but uh Bergland was I

think he was at I can't remember if I

think it was NASA. He was an engineer.

Mhm. And and when Voyager passed Saturn

1980, they saw they call it the thing in

the ring. They saw what they thought was

like a 70-m long plasma spaceship docked

in the rings. And the theory was that it

was getting energy from the ring. And

that's when the mortgage fraud and the

financial fraud exploded. And one of my

hypotheses

is, you know, did they suddenly say we

need as much money as possible to come

up to that level of civilization?

Because the theory sort of the history

of a more advanced

technological more technologically

advanced civilization meaning less. So

it never works out well for the less.

Yeah. So it's the same in threebody

problem crash course. How do we get up

here? And one theory on the breakaways

is, okay, that's a crash course to get

us up to deal with the people who

control the thing in the ring. I don't

know if it's true, but if you read

Popular Mechanics, they say the camera

and Voyager magically shut down and you

know, it's complete. Anyway, but if you

read Rings of Saturn, it's very Oh, wow.

Yeah. And you believe that uh that we

have some sort of alternative source of

free energy that we've already figured

out or that somebody's already figured

out and they're keeping it they're

keeping it secret from the So we have a

subsidiary in the Netherlands uh Europa.

So I have a Dutch partner and it's 50/50

you know myself and my Dutch partner and

that group they do all our audio videos

extraordinary people. I met them because

during from 2010 to now they've been

doing conferences on breakthrough energy

and the secret space program and their

breakthrough energy group is called

global BEM. It's up on the internet. You

can see all their presentations. But

global who? BEM BEM. Breakthrough energy

movement is what it stands for. And you

know they have a website and they

publish all the stuff and I've

participated in some of the conferences.

But they've been gathering breakthrough

energy inventors from all over the world

regularly to talk about what's possible.

I also have I have two companies. One is

Carer Report and the other is Careri

Screens. I do an investment screen and

the money manager. one of the money

managers we work with on celery screens.

We have a fund and he's been an investor

for many many years in a breakthrough

energy company. So, and occasionally

I'll talk to him about it. Now, I'm one

of those people science goes in one ear.

So, you don't want to ask me about

breakthrough energy, but you know, it's

all available up on the internet. And if

you know the story of

Tesla, you know, on down to the current,

there's lots of documentation and

evidence that we have a lot of lowcost

forms of energy available. Well, that's

the crazy uh sort of paradox with the

idea of, you know, if they're building

these, which we know they're building

these, you know, giant underground

cities and military bases and, you know,

underground superighways for people to

for some sort of government to be able

to run and for these people to survive

in some sort of nuclear war event or

something like this. that, you know,

eventually the diesel power that they're

using to run those is going to run out

of gas or run out of fuel somehow and

they're not going to be able to power

those underground bases.

I you know, I have no idea how they're

powering it, but but it seems to me you

you know, they're doing it whether it's

nuclear energy or breakthrough energy.

And also, you know, if you look at the

people what they've said, you know, once

you can get solar farms up in the

suborbital platform and shoot the energy

down here, there's also all sorts of

ideas about how you can if you can

dramatically lower the cost of energy,

that would make you want to have

complete control. If if you're running

the planet, you would want to have

complete control because if everybody

gets breakthrough energy on an out of

control basis, you've got no way to

control them,

right? Yeah. And another crazy thing

that I learned recently was that the uh

the Manhattan Project Mhm. is now the

Department of Energy. like they changed

their names a bunch of times and now

they're the Department of Energy, who is

the one during the Obama years. Uh Obama

passed the law uh that they were going

to ban incandescent light bulbs and now

we're on these LED light lights that are

much more low energy uh blue light

spectrum, right, which is the same stuff

you get from all these smart devices

that like hijack your dopamine system

and all this crazy stuff. It's all part

of the great poisoning, right? Right. So

I all I can one of the my favorite

salary reports we ever did was with an

attorney named Amy Benjamin and do you

know who Lauren Lawrence Wilkerson was?

He was chief of staff to Colon Pal when

Coen Pow was secretary of state during

the Iraq war thing. Anyway, and

sometimes you'll see interviews with him

as Colonel Wilkerson. He was worked over

for the joint chiefs at DoD when Pal was

there and then went over to state with

him. Anyway, but uh Wilkerson called me

and he said he said I just did a peer

review. He he was a professor in

Virginia. He said, "I just did a peer

review on secrecy, a a journal article

on secrecy." And he says, "It's the best

thing I've ever seen." He said, "You're

going to love it, but I can't tell you

who wrote it, and I can't give it to you

until it's approved." And he said, "As

soon as it's approved, I'm going to send

it to you, and you want to jump on

this." So, I did. It was written by Amy

Benjamin. She used to work at the

Department of Justice and she did an

interview on how all these things have

been engineered and kept secret because

when you realize that there's been this

whole parallel universe going on and you

didn't know it, right? It's like how

could this go on and me not know it,

right? And and so part of what people

have to grapple with is how could this

be happening and me not know? And Amy

does an absolutely fabulous job of

explaining

how this was all engineered. And you

have literally, you know, if I were to

make a balance sheet of the United

States, I will tell you more than half

the economy is black and secret, you

know, and so this thing is more than

half. Yes. It's been, if you look at the

organized crime money and the black

money, it's been getting bigger and

bigger and bigger and bigger our whole

life. And it's now, you know, and the

way I got into all these topics because

when I tell you I had no interest in

underground bases. I was just looking

for the money. It's like where is the 21

trillion, right? Where's it going? And

and I just kept looking for the money.

And what I discovered was this huge

secret economy. And it it was really

funny. For many many years, I had so

many wars with the financial guys

because they would say the dollar is

going to collapse. And I said, "No, it's

not. It's not going to collapse because

it's backed up by invisible weaponry,

you know, that that make sure it doesn't

collapse. And it's not going to collapse

because when you steal 21 trillion, you

got lots of money. There's no reason to

collapse. You know, you're collapsing

the people you're stealing it from, but

you're, you know, you're replete, okay?

You're not going to collapse. You know,

the reason they're doing it is so they,

you know, they're they have no reason.

They're resourcerich. They're not going

to collapse. So, it was really sort of

I'll never forget there's a famous show

I did with Greg Hunter who's sort of an

ally of mine who I very much, you know,

we have a very good friendship. And Greg

was screaming at me. He said, "I've had

30 of the most important financial

people on this year and they all say the

dollar is going to collapse. You have to

be wrong." I said, "Greg, I'm right. The

dollar's going to go up. It's going to

go up strongly." And because I'm I'm

looking at all the stolen money, right?

And and so he says, finally, I said,

"I'll bet you a dollar." He said, "You

have to be wrong. Every financial guy in

the world, all these top guys are saying

it's going to I" I said, "It's not going

to collapse. It's going to go up." And

he bet a dollar and I made him pay me

because it it was up 12% by the end of

the year. I mean, it's a big move. And

and and and it was Frell. It was thanks

to Frell that I was working with that I

could really and I was working with some

money managers, too. But you know, you

have to if you're going to look at the

economy, you have to look at the whole

thing. And if the secret part is as big

as the overt part, you have to look at

it on an integrated basis. Yeah. Which

is hard because it's hard to get

reliable intelligence as you know. Yes.

But that's where the unanswered question

comes in and you have to just frame it.

Now, how does uh when it goes coming

back to energy, solving the energy

problem, how how does this idea of

depopulation solve that?

Well, here's the thing. If you look at

the control grid, it's very there are

two things that are unbelievably

environmentally damaging. Okay? You have

a a global population of 8 billion

people. Mhm. If they all want to come up

to a level of per capita spending and

mineral and other resource uses as the

West. Mhm. Enormous environmental

pressure. Where are you going to get all

the minerals to build those roads, have

that many cars, etc. Okay. So, you're

talking about enormous environmental

pressure. That's number one. Number two,

if you can institute breakthrough

energy, then they're all going to want

to have 10 kids, right? Yeah. more

environmental lifespan is going to get

longer. So you solve that by control

grid. But the thing that is the most

energy wasteful of all is the control

grid. Bitcoin, you know, 3 years ago was

using more energy than Switzerland,

right? Really? Yeah. La in 2023 was

using like 140% of all the energy used

by the Netherlands.

Well, but you you look at the data

centers. I mean, just Bloomberg had an

article two months ago. If you look at

the data cent's plan for Texas, they

need 30 new nuclear plants.

30 30 by 2030 is what the article said.

30 new nuclear plants. And China's

building nuclear plants, you know, right

and left. So, so the energy this much

data and managing and keeping data

because they're talking about putting

sensors throughout the forests, you

know, you've got internet of bodies,

internet of forests, internet of you

know, you're talking about digitizing

everything and collecting and managing

the data using AI. It's it's an the

energy is enormous. I had this gentleman

on here a couple weeks ago who uh his

first day on the job working for the NSA

was 9/11. And he was explaining uh the

sentiment and the the sort of uh the the

vibe at the office that day. And he said

that everyone was very optimistic about

the future of the CIA now that they were

going to be able to just gather data

from people in in heaps, right? And now

they're building these giant facilities

out in the in like uh Nevada and the Mid

and um New Mexico that are going to be

these mass, you know, just to store just

all this information and all this data

collected by American people. So I

called the Patriot Act the concentration

and control of cash flow act of

2001 and um it moved a lot of the black

budget stuff on budget but there you

know so DoD at that point was missing 4

trillion but nobody cared. Suddenly they

got a $ 48 billion increase the next

year and and everybody was spending

money. Mhm. There was a a Washington

Post publication, I think it was in

2012, 10 10 or 12, called Top Secret

America, and one of the journalist sat

down and documented every national

security installation or building that

they could find that was built from the

Patriot Act on. And it's just, you just

wouldn't believe it. It's unbelievable.

I mean, the waste is beyond imagination.

I think there's a quote from Kissinger

where he said at one point humans will

eventually become uh useless eaters.

He's an idiot.

Kissinger was always and I knew him in

New York because I used to I was part of

the Republican committee there. Jonathan

Bush the brothers Jonathan was a good

friend of mine and I used to help

Jonathan raise money and so Kissinger

would be one of my favorite days in my

life I would frequent. So, I'm an

investment banker on Wall Street. I'm

making a boatload of money. I'm having a

great life. And I had a restaurant that

I loved. And they had one table that was

a bank at that was like the best table

in the house. Mhm. And I would always go

there and that was my table. And and we

would always confirm our reservations

three times just to make sure there's no

problem. And and I had dealt a lot with

Kissinger at some of the Republican

lunchons. Kissinger is, you know, he he

can be he he could be the most

narcissist person on the planet. It was

unbelievable. Anyway, so I'm standing in

line right behind Kissinger. And

Kissinger tells the matraee who's

looking at me. I'm behind him that he

wants that table. And she says, "I'm

sorry, sir. That's reserved. I can't

give it to you." And he's furious. He's

just like, "I I'm Henry Kissinger." And

I She said, "I'm sorry, sir. I can't

give you that table." Anyway, so I'm

with a client, my client. And so he's

mad. And she goes off and finally sits

him someplace, but he's steaming. And

she says, "Ah, Miss Fitz, your table's

ready." And takes me. And my client's

looking at me like, "Who the [ __ ] are

you?"

And Kissinger across the room is like,

"I hate you. I hate you. I hate you."

You know, and I'm laughing my head off

cuz it was just like, "Oh my god." Okay,

Henry. That is hilarious. The girls won

this one. My client was a female, so

Henry was really best. Wow. Right. It

was pretty funny. It was a great day.

That that's that's [ __ ] hilarious.

He's a He was a You know, there's a

story about Kishen Jun. I don't know if

it's true that that he's finally taken

into the inner sanctum and he's given

the books of all the classified

information that the military knows

about what's really going on. And it

totally changed him because he's like,

"Okay, we can't tell anybody really."

Yeah. So, I always imagine like what

that would be like to have that

information in your head. Well, I just I

how would that affect you?

I I don't know. You know, I've tried I

have tried if you look at all the

paranormal phenomena on this planet,

I've tried to understand it and figure

it out and I can't figure it out, you

know, but I've been through most of the

material. Frell and I did a great

two-hour interview called Who is Mr.

Global? And we went through every

different hypothesis. What do you mean?

Can you define Mr. global. It's the

committee that runs the world. So

there's a committee at the top that

makes all the big decisions. It's and

and my nickname for it is Mr. Global. So

So the question is who is Mr. Global and

why is Mr. Global doing what he's doing?

Because I, you know, when I look at a

situation, I like to put myself in

somebody else's shoes. Like if I was

Danny and I was doing this, what would

it look like from my point of view? And

so I want to put myself in Mr. Why is

Mr. Global doing this? You know, why is

Yeah. What's Mr. Global's point of view?

So anyway, so Joseph and I went through

and did who is Mr. Global and why is he

doing what he's doing? So we went

through all the theories, but my

favorite some of my favorite comments on

the internet is people say they'll say,

"Well, she worked at the White House and

you know she knows who she's not telling

us." It's like, "No, everybody at the

White House is not sure."

Who who who's your best guest of who Mr.

Global is?

Um I think you have intergenerational

pools of capital and right now they are

over influenced by a cult.

Yes. So I think you have inter

interdimensional intelligence which is

operating demonic intelligence.

Interdimensional demonic intelligence.

Yeah. Wow.

Yep. So I think this thing about good

and evil is real and and there I can't

find it anymore. I found it once there

were in the 30s a British physicist got

up and said you know we are we are being

manipulated but from other dimensions by

intelligent beings from other

dimensions. So I I think you know if you

if you study Christianity and you read

the Bible you're dealing with both

divine intelligence and demonic

intelligence. And I think too much of

the leadership has gotten deeply

involved in the occult and demonic kinds

of intelligence.

Wow. So I just read a book and I have no

idea. So I've I've I've tried to find

every theory to explain the paranormal

stuff. So I'm not telling you this is

true, but I just finished reading a book

called Final Event by Nick Red. I don't

know if you've ever read it. and he

describes it's a it's an it's a

exploration of a group of military

intelligence in the United States called

the Collins elite. Oh yeah, I've heard

about the Collins elite. Yeah. And and

they came to believe that the that the

ET phenomena was a demonic phenomena. It

was not people from another planet. It

was it was demonic intelligence.

Biblical stuff. Right. Right. And one of

the things he discovered was that or the

Collins elite apparently discovered is

in many sort of ET uh abduction events

if you called on Jesus Christ it would

stop.

What? Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what he

reported. And it he strikes me I don't

know anything about him but it struck me

as as someone who was trying to do a

faithful job of simply reporting what

they found. You know, there's uh a lot

of folks in the intelligence

community that

publicly state how they believe that the

whole UFO phenomena is like this

biblical thing, how it's angels and

demons and these things can be angelic

entities and you know like literal

like ground like legitimate people in

the intelligence community whether

they're still active or retired or

whatever. or that have been on podcast

that that state they believe in. Well, I

am sure that all of that stuff is

happening. So, I think we are dealing

with demonic and and angelic forces in

our world and that's interdimensional

intelligence. So, the Bible calls it,

you know, demons and angels. Other

people call it fifth dimension or

whatever. But I think we're absolutely

and I will tell you what I think is the

most important thing to understand about

the universe. So, write this down. This

is my favorite my favorite new book is A

New Science of Heaven by Robert Temple.

Oh yeah.

99% of the material in the universe is

plasma. Our universe is made up of

plasma. And I used to hear that David

Bow said this and other physicists as

well, but Temple's really documented and

nailed it. And I'm sure he's right.

Plasma is alive and it's intelligent.

And that means life is alive and

intelligent. Plasma or dark matter?

Plasma. Plasma. Plasma. But you know,

let me make it simple. The universe is

alive and intelligent. Sure. And we

share intelligence with all life. You

know, so in the Lord of the Rings, when

the trees show up to help, that's real,

right? So, so

life is alive and the notion that you

can take digital technology and control

centrally once you understand that is so

ridiculous. Only only a demonic

intelligence would come up with that

plan. Huh. Right.

Have you uh noticed this recent

phenomena of and there's been articles

written about it of essentially um a lot

of big shots in Silicon Valley are

mapping Christianity now onto everything

that's going on in Silicon Valley.

There's a church, a new church in

Silicon Valley that everyone's going to.

Peter Teal and uh the head of this

company called Y Combinator are you know

Peter Teal is you know famous

billionaire gay Christian and uh the guy

from Y Combinator is a big uh devout

Christian and they're holding these big

conferences and um you know all these

folks in Silicon Valley are seem to be

now converting to Christianity going to

church and uh it's just really

interesting to me you know because

Silicon Valley is, you know,

historically known for being like anti-

relligion, right? Like it's it's not

been a typical religious part of the

world in history. These people are, you

know, a lot of people developing tech

and developing, you know, these social

media platforms, transhumanism, and

um I know nothing I know nothing about

it. Yeah. Yeah. There's been a lot of

articles. There was an article in the

New York Times that came out. I think

the New

Yorker.

Um, and it's it's it's really

interesting to me that somebody like

Peter Teal would be invol, you know,

somebody who's, you know, very much tied

up in uh

the military-industrial complex, the

intelligence community, that there is a

non-alignment between the teachings of

Jesus Christ and what Peter Teal and his

companies are doing. Yeah. So, but I I

it makes me wonder though why somebody

like Peter Teal would be so invested in

promoting Christianity in Silicon

Valley. I don't know. I don't know. I

would need to understand a lot more. I

wonder if it I I wonder if it has

something to do with trying

to bolster Christianity in the United

States or sort of or sort of revive

Christianity in in some sort of a

national security aspect. Well, here's

the problem. The problem is that there

has been so much financial fraud and

corruption that you have a real

breakdown in productivity in the general

population. And so, you know, there

there is a vested interest if you don't

want to depopulate everybody in getting

everybody to be productive. And they're

not going to be productive unless they

believe in morals and have morals. So, I

mean, our problem, the reason the

unipolar model failed in my opinion is

we're not agreement capable. And and the

leadership is not agreement capable, but

now the message says the population, you

don't need to be agreement capable. And

when a complex society depends on the

rule of law or at least the appearance

of the rule of law, you take away the

ability to be agreement capable and the

society fails.

Yeah. I mean if you look at other

countries and you know if you look at

Russia and you see you know they have

sort of this cohesive uh orthodox

Catholic religion. If you look at Middle

Eastern, you know, countries, they are

so religious and extremely religious to

the point where they're willing to strap

a bomb to their chest and die for their

religion. We are uh we are the opposite

of that. We are not there's no sort of

um there's no sort of general religion

or ideology or belief that that ties us

together in that aspect.

So, one of the questions I would ask,

um, I'm trying to remember. I'm I'm I

have to look up and learn how to

pronounce his name. Mo,

uh, G A W D A T. He's Egyptian. He was

the chief business officer at Google. Do

you know him? He wrote the book

Unstressible or

happy. Um, he discovered AI when he was

at Google. See? Yeah, there he is. This

guy. Okay. Yeah. Mogot.

Ogdat wonderful wonderful man chief he

so he's an engineer he was the chief uh

business officer at Google and then he

discovered and worked with AI and his um

his immediate

uh his immediate reaction was to quit

and completely change his life. M and

one of the things he said um is if you

look at how quickly the IQ of AI is

growing. Yeah. And how far as a

processor it is surpassing us, you

realize we better hope that it's

learning it's learning a moral culture

from us that we're teaching it morality

because if we don't we're in real

trouble. And um and I think dealing you

know his reaction to AI has been that

which I've seen from others which is to

say the most important thing is not my

smarts it's my values and I've got to

revisit and invest in rebuilding my

values. Yeah. Well, like going back to

like the theme of this conversation,

morality is something that you can see

like it's very much tied to culture and

the United States, the population of the

United States, the citizens of the

United States.

Um, but when it comes to this

decentraliz this this sort of breakaway

government or whatever you want to call

it, it's almost like they can only exist

without that. If you have other

countries that are willing to like I've

I've had multiple people on this show

who have been a part of various

intelligence or have been a part of the

United States intelligence community for

a long time and have dealt with other

intelligence communities of of other

countries around the world whether it be

uh Russia, Soviet Union or um Israel and

um it seems to be at least within

the you know not saying the intelligence

community is this detached uh breakaway

civilization

But the only way to get things done in

this underworld of intelligence is to

bypass morals, you know, is to weigh the

good is to weigh basically what's worse

in order to achieve our objective. Like

are we willing to we're willing to do

whatever it takes to achieve the

objective. Although we will do the thing

that's the least worse. and and you hear

stories of, you know, some of the like

insane human atrocities and uh you know,

things that have been done with people

in the intelligence community

overseas, you know, on black operations

during wars and and this these kinds of

things. And um I guess the point I'm

trying to get across is

that the only way on this on this global

scale of nations if you want to be the

most powerful nation state on planet

Earth in this

anarchistic

global battle that these nations are

fighting. You can't be tied down by

morals to get ahead. So, so let me

describe it this way. There are two ways

to get power in this world. One is to

amass force whether it's financial

force, legal force, physical force, but

ultimately it comes out of a gun. And

power on planet Earth is run out of a

gun. Yes, it comes from force. There's

another way to get power and that's from

righteousness. In other words, if you

have the power to call on divine

intelligence, not just as an individual

but as a group, and you have the ability

to make and keep contracts across time

and space and communicate across time

and space, you know, freely and openly.

You know, if you go read the Bible,

that's the story of Gideon. That's the

story of Jericho. There's another way to

get power and ultimately 8 billion

people operating that power is more

powerful than all the the bombs and the

demonic force and they know that that's

one of the reasons they you know they

don't want us to know that to come to

that power but you know you you have to

understand I don't know if you did you

ever read Angos Swan he's got a great

book on power yeah I haven't read the

books but I'm familiar with them you

read his book on power. But Ingo Swan

was a Scientologist. Engo Swan was a

remote viewer and a Scientologist,

right? Yeah. And but he was a he was

what do they call it? They called

Leonardo da Vinci the same thing. He was

one of those people who's sort of a

polymath. Yeah. Polymth. And um uh

anyway, but but there there is another

way to get power. And if you train a

population to operate without morals,

you make them powerless.

So you think like a one world religion

would be ideal? I think a one world

religion would be a joke. I mean I just

you know I mean it seems like religion

has been the has been throughout history

the number one source of death and war.

Well religion organized religion

misused.

So I mean religion has been true

religion has been the source of many

great things. So,

right, I guess I guess I guess my point

was just like like if you're going to

separate like the this is the this is

the conundrum. This is the paradox of

it. If you separate morality and

government, you can't be the most

powerful government, right? And it seems

like this this Yes, you can.

This I'm absolutely sure. It seems like

we're in this like weird self-fulfilling

prophecy. You have to. There's a one.

Did you ever watch the TV series

Yellowstone? Yes. So, I'm a huge Taylor

Sheridan fan. Just a huge shirt. Yeah.

Anyway, but but I don't know if you

remember the second season where the big

issue is what are we going to do about

the Beck Brothers? Okay. Okay. And so,

they have to come up with a way of

legally killing the Beck Brothers

because they got to kill him. There's

nothing. And and the son corners one of

the Beck brothers on, you know, in the

bathroom right before he shoots him and

he says, "Why do you make us do it? Why

do you, you know, why, why do you, why

did you force us to kill you? And the

guy says, cuz nobody ever fights back.

And the son says, we do. Bang, you're

dead. And then he goes and sits on the

porch with his dad. And his dad says,

you know, the trick is to be, you know,

is to be more evil than evil so that you

can stop evil and protect your family,

but still love your family, enjoy a

sunset. So the question is how can I

outwit and defeat great evil and still

have the capacity to love? That is the

question. That is the question. And a

great a great moral government can do

that. But you have to be prepared. So

probably shouldn't say the story. Um uh

my my sister

uh a group of people many years ago was

trying to get me to run for president in

New Hampshire. Not because I had a

chance of winning. just so to bring

disclosure to get people to understand

what was going on. So, and I absolutely

refused. I said I had enough nothing to

do with it. So, my sister called me and

she said, "Well, what you know, okay,

let's just pretend you're willing to do

it. What would we have to get for you to

be able to do it?" I said, "You would

have to give me 250 licenses to kill, no

questions asked." And she's a lawyer.

She said, "That is the most unethical,

immoral thing I've ever heard." I said,

"How am I supposed to run an organized

crime syndicate unless I have the

ability to enforce?" Right. Right. So,

she thought that was unethical. I didn't

think it was unethical. She asked me

what I needed to do the job effectively.

Right. Mhm. Right. In order to survive.

No. In order to to do a good job at the

job. M so if if you're going to stop

evil, you're going to have to use force

and you're going to have to use it

wisely and you're going to have to use

it well. But you're going to have to use

it cuz you're you're dealing What was

it? What was that great scene when

president when Jack Nicholson is the

president and he's talking to the aliens

and he says, "Why can't we just all get

along?" And they kill him. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. But this is like then you get into

like if you want to use another example

of this paradox would be like what's

going on in the Middle East with Israel

and uh the Muslims right in the Israel

Palestine thing when I think there was

just some lady who was uh she was she

was up for I think she was up for the uh

some some position in the UN right like

the ambassador to the UN and she was in

front of Congress and she and somebody

asked her like do you think uh Israel

has a biblical right to the West Bank

and She goes, "Absolutely. Israel has a

biblical right to the West Bank." Then

she hasn't read the ancient scriptor.

That's a bunch of hoie.

Ask Frell. Frell. I mean, Frell has a

PhD in petristics from Oxford. Get him

to explain. It's all a bunch of hoie.

Yeah. Yeah. That's just an organized

crime syndicate who's created.

So, how do you think we get back on the

right path

then on this? We're It seems like we're

on this downward spiral right now. We

are definitely on a downward spiral and

we have to change the model and I you

know what what we focus on at Solaria.

So if you come to Careri we have

something called the building wealth

curriculum. I told you to go take a look

at it. Yeah, I watched it. I think we

have to decide do we want to be free or

do we want to be in the control grid?

And so we're going to have to slow down

and stop the control grid. And there are

many things you can do. So, we have a a

several big pieces on how to work with

your state legislature and all the

things the state legislature can do

under the constitution to protect the

constitution and to to stop the control

grid. Okay? And I think that's one

thing. The other thing is if you look at

how many of us are financing the cold

control grid, supporting the control

grid, supporting the people are

implementing the control grid are going

to work and implementing ourselves, we

can all just stop doing that. M um and

so that's another thing we can do and we

have um it's an article I want to stop

CBDC's what can I do so we have a

fantastic amount of information but then

I also think each one of us can go to

work in our own life because this is a

one control and freedom happen one

person at a time and what you can do is

make sure you and your family aren't

controlled that you're free but you use

your time and money to do things that

help other people be free because you

and I can't be free unless everybody

else is free. It's an all or nothing

thing. So, we have to grow and adopt a

culture where we're getting our power

not from a gun, but we're getting our

power from righteousness. And we are

doing things that help our family be

free, like protecting them from the

great poisoning. I mean, you Danny Jones

should be doing everything in your

family to make sure your water, your

food, your um your whole way of life is

protecting your family from the great

poisoning. There are many many things

you can do to do that, especially

because you live in a very beautiful

place. But um and so and so we have to

live our lives and and live our lives

where we adopt and support the culture

that is healthy and and help those

around us do the same. And if you if you

come into what our whole building wealth

curriculum is about and all of our

political action, we've invested

extraordinary money in the last two

years trying to help state legislatures

do those things under the constitution

they can do to slow down and stop the

control grid. We can stop it. We still

have time to stop it. So So you're

optimistic about this? I'm optimistic

that it's possible. I'm not

uh if if you look at how many people are

just going along with it. Mhm. It's

pretty scary. Yeah. Yeah. So, and and

it's funny cuz the number one criticism

I've gotten over the last year is is uh

I'm critical because I'm not supporting

the president. And my attitude is if the

president is implementing a digital

control grid, no, I'm not going to

support him on that, you know, and you

know, it's not personal. I want to be

free. Sure. Right. So, and and I think a

lot of people I've always told everyone,

look, you

can't the federal government is

financially dependent on the bankers.

You can't implement real change inside

the federal government. I mean, you can

implement some, but the kind of change

we need are millions of people saying,

"No, we won't go into the control grid."

I mean, if tomorrow everybody got up and

and just 10% pulled their money out of

JP Morgan Chase and said, you know, we

don't want to be controlled whether by

CBDCs or stable coins, it would rock the

world. It seems like it's uh things are

getting harder for the younger

generations to do anything nowadays,

especially with like interest rates

going up, people can't buy houses, you

know, people can't afford to borrow

money. um you know, universities, the

job market, you know, who knows what the

job market's going to look like in 10

years with AI. So, there are solutions

to all of that. I mean, if you if we

were to change the financial liquidity

on the ground, we could make things

wonderful for the young people and the

young people could, you know, build

companies and lead us out of this. So,

we could revive Main Street. The money

is there and the ability to do it is

there. I mean, that's all possible. But,

you know, it starts with recognizing the

way we're going isn't going to work. And

and you have a group of people who are

using the federal budget to centralize

power. So, what I can show you is the

federal budget, the vast majority of

money. I I can't tell you what the waste

is like. So, for example, back to the

foreclosed properties at HUD. Mhm. I

would find neighborhoods where we were

spending

$250,000 per unit to build public

housing where 50,000 would buy and rehab

a foreclosed property in the FHA

properties. So, we could get four or

five homes for the price of one. But

they wouldn't change it because when I

took the material to the woman who was

the special assistant, the guy who ran

the public housing program, she said,

"But how would we generate fees for our

friends? The entire federal budget is

engineered around fees for our friends."

And I don't see anything being done to

change that. No, but we could change

that because you can't if you look at

the laws uh that apply to financial

management, I mean the laws are all

there if we implement and enforce them.

So this can be changed.

Well, thank you. This has been

fascinating. I'm going to have to go

back and watch this podcast like two

more times to fully understand it. Okay.

Well, I'm happy. I'm happy. You know, I

sent you a lot of homework before we did

this. I'm happy to send you more

homework. Yes. Oh, I would love that.

Thank you very much. And then uh your

the two the links are the salary

report.com. Is that it? Yeah. And then

what was the other one? Uh cer screens,

but just go to salary. Everything

branches off of salary.com. Okay.

Beautiful. Thank you, Danny Jones. It's

been a real pleasure. It's been a It's

very nice to meet you. Um and uh I'll

link everything below. And we have some

Patreon questions if you don't mind

asking them. We have some uh Patreon

members that have some great questions

for you. So, we'll wrap up the podcast

now and then we'll go hit a couple of

those. Okay, that's all, folks. Good

night.

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