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$21 Trillion Black Budget is Funding a Rogue Breakaway Civilization | Catherine Fitts

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Well, thanks for coming here. I'm really
excited to talk to you. Thank you. I I
as I said, I really enjoy your show. So
So So for people that don't know, can
you kind of give us a summary of your
background in um in the government
working with the Bush administration and
then getting into like finance and all
this stuff? So I grew up in Philadelphia
and I got very interested as a child on
I I got very interested in money and why
everybody was destroying everything on
the theory that somehow that made them
money. And so I decided I was going to
understand how all the money worked in a
neighborhood. And what I didn't
understand till I went to Wall Street is
you literally have to know how the all
the money on the planet works to
understand how the money in a US
neighborhood works because it's organi
it's very centralized and it's organized
so that you know so if you and I go to
the White House it'll say here's how all
the money works in housing here's how
all the money works in military but it
doesn't say here's how the money works
you know in West Philadelphia so you
can't now with relational databases you
you could and I've worked on that but
anyway so I went Wall Street because I
wanted to learn how all the money the
planet works and I went from sort of
department to department to department
learning all the different markets and
then I figured out you know it's all
being rigged from Washington. It's the
Treasury and the Fed. So I got to go to
Washington. So I went to Washington. I
was a partner at a firm called Dylan
Reed. And in fact, I have an online book
called Dylan Reed and the aristocracy of
stock profits about um sort of it's a
it's a case study in the intersection
between organized crime in Wall Street
in Washington. Anyway, so I went to
Washington in the first Bush
administration to be assistant secretary
of housing and uh it's the federal
housing commissioner and that's the
person who oversees all the mortgage
markets both the credit most of the
credit and then the rules and
regulation. So, um, and I ran smack into
all the mortgage corruption because a
lot of the black budget is financed with
mortgage fraud and, um, anyway, so I
left and but I discovered the internet
when I was, uh, in the administration.
And so I created an investment bank that
could use software tools basically to
get all the information about how the
money works and make it accessible to
neighborhoods. So um uh anyway, but my
company I started a company called
Hamilton Securities Group. It was very
successful and we got hired on
competitive bid by the Clinton
administration. And so I worked in the
Bush administration, but we got hired by
the Clinton administration to be
financial adviser for the
FHA. And we led $10 billion of uh
mortgage auctions trying to stop the
mortgage
fraud, which was they had other ideas.
They wanted to take the mortgage fraud
the other way so we could have the
financial crisis. Anyway, so I ended up
in 11 years of litigation with the
federal government, with the Department
of Justice. Have you ever seen the movie
Enemy of the State with Will Smith? It's
been a long time. Yeah. I played Will
Smith in real life. Oh wow. I played
Will Smith in real life. So we had 18
audits and investigations, 12 tracks of
litigation, physical harassment, a smear
campaign. It was I mean it was right out
of the movies and of course so so Will
Smith is a successful attorney and in
fact his office in the movie is right
next to where my office was. our company
office was in Washington and you know
everything's crazy and the world makes
sense until he finds Gene Hackman who's
a former NSA employee who explains how
covert operations work and in fact now
if you come to the solar report we have
a whole 12-part series called deep state
tactics so if you can't find Gan you can
listen to deep state tactics and
understand how it all works anyway but I
got a real crash course I'll never
forget I first time I saw Enemy of the
state I'm like up in the front row I'm
like Oh, it's my training movie. Wow.
Right. That's amazing. So, when you talk
about the mortgage fraud, what
specifically do you mean and how does
that how does that work? So, so
financial fraud and mortgage fraud is
like the joy of cooking. There are
thousands of recipes, right?
But if you want to know the most
prominent, likely famous recipe for
mortgage fraud and HUD housing, all you
have to do is look up um the Tony
Soprano TV show did a series of four
parts on HUD fraud by Tony Soprano.
Really? Yes.
and and the basic and and it's
interesting because the one of the
things that got me interested in money
is it was this fraud that destroyed the
value of homes in my neighborhood when I
was a little girl. We had four boarded
up foreclosed properties caddy corner to
our block in West Philadelphia and it
had a huge sign and it said by order of
the assistant secretary of housing
federal housing commissioner and I used
to think who is that [ __ ] and so when
I literally when I was sworn and they
said by order of the president you are
now the assistant secretary of housing I
thought uh oh I'm the you know and I
went downstairs and I said how many
boarded up homes how many foreclosed
properties do we have in forclosed
industry. My deputy said 50,000. I said,
"Well, that's going to change." And that
was part of the problem. But okay, so
let's look at the basic fraud. Okay. I
So there's a home in the foreclosed
property inventory of the Federal
Housing Administration. They had
financed a mortgage. They they put the
uh an insurance policy on the mortgage.
So they take the credit risk. It
defaults. They pay off the mortgage
holder and then take back the
properties. The propertyy's sitting
there in inventory. Okay. So, let's say
the property is worth $100,000. So, like
when you find a a house for sale on HUD
auction, this is that's the situation.
Yes, probably. Got it. Probably. Okay.
So, so let's say the house is worth
$100,000. Okay. You uh sell the house to
someone um or or or you who's going to
do sort of a quickie uh fix up. Okay.
Um, and you let them turn around and
sell it at you. You put a mortgage.
Let's say it's worth 150. Now they've
fixed it up. You put a mortgage on it
for 250, a lot more than it's worth,
right? Okay. They sell it to a not for
profofit who immediately defaults,
right? You pay off the 250 mortgage and
take the property back and you keep
doing it again and again and again and
generating lots of money out the back
door. So when I became FHA commissioner,
we would find private on one property in
in Chicago which had financed and
defaulted five times in one year. Wow. I
know. I can't imagine that. Anyway, so
but here's here's how I can make even
more money. I had a friend who did this.
Uh not a friend, he was a guy who came
in. He was one of my first guests on the
podcast and he was he was buying up
houses in Tampa and uh he was taking
them and getting his friend to go do
appraisals on them and like marking the
appraisal up by like 5x and then getting
loans on it. Right? That's sort of the
that's a variation. Now, here's how you
really make a lot of money. When you
when you issue the mortgage, you don't
issue one mortgage. You issue 10
mortgages on that house and you put them
in a mortgage pool that's wrapped by
Ginnie May so you can sell them in Dubai
and nobody knows the difference. Right.
Right. And as long as there's money, you
can skim out the back door of the FHA
fund. No problem. Wow. Right. And it's
it's really funny. So So I had warned
people about this kind of fraud both
when I was assistant secretary and then
when I was the lead financial adviser.
But you know, you're you're you know
what it's like when you fight these
winds. And and so I'm driving down the
highway in Georgia and my old roommate
from college calls me and she says,
"Fitz, have you seen the Soprano TV
shows? They have the HUD frauds on the
Soprano TV shows." And she said, "I
guess you're telling the truth." And I
said, "Wait a minute." So I was the
former assistant secretary of housing
and then I was the lead financial
adviser for HUD and I've told you about
this for years. You don't believe me
until it's on the Soprano TV show. And
she said, "That's right.
So I said, that's why I say in America,
fact is fiction and fiction is fact. If
it's on the news, it's likely fiction.
You know, if it's if it's on the Soprano
TV show, there's a Oh, yeah. You know,
you're getting your training film. Yeah,
that's an interesting way of looking at
it. Well, remember during the financial
crisis, within a very short period of
time, there was more money shoveling out
the door. I mean, we the the TARP IG
said total uh money the taxpayers
finance was 27 trillion. $8 trillion
would have paid off all the single
family mortgages in the
country, right? So, so the total bailout
of the mortgage fraud was three times
all existing mortgages in the country.
That's bananas. So, one of my favorite
quotes, I was told by a former
intelligence officer who was involved in
the financial fraud that Oliver North
had said that HUD was the candy store of
covert revenues. And I based on what I
cleaned up and what I dealt with, I'm I
I'm absolutely convinced HUD was the
candy store oft revenues. That
is got a nice ring to it. HUD's missing
just from its financial statements a
trillion dollars from 20 from 1998 to
2015. So that's my whole thing about the
missing money which I Katherine is a you
know that's one of those issues
Katherine won't let go of keeps.
Okay. So can you explain to me and I
know you've done this well on on other
shows but how does the banking system
work? I know everybody thinks about how
like the bankers control the world. It's
like the bank, it's the bankers, the
intelligence agencies and the the
moneywashing with the drug cartels and
and all this stuff with funding, you
know, wars and overthrowing countries
and there's so much going on here, but
at the very top level of all of this
stuff is the bankers. Right. Right. So,
so here's how the, you know, any
business, any enterprise and any planet
has a business model, an economic model
on how the fundamental walk. So the
western world for 500 plus years has
operated on a model called central
banking warfare model. Okay, the central
bankers print money out of thin air. And
I'm grossly oversimplifying, but they
create the money and then the military
makes sure that people take it. Okay,
and that keeps the liquidity going. So
there are two sides of the coin. And
when you say military, think
intelligence and military because
surveillance is such an important part
of the force.
So you you literally have the bankers
running monetary policy, but then you
have the military and intelligence
backing it up. And you need both. It's
like two hands of one coin. It's like
two sides of a coin. Okay. Okay. Right.
And and what what the bankers do, you
grew up in the United States. Most
people listening to this grew up in the
Western world. And we've had for over a
century a model where the bankers run
monetary policy and then the people's
representatives run fiscal policy. So
the whole basis of the American
revolution was no taxation without
representation. That means the people's
representatives, the congress or the
state
legislature run the fiscal policy is the
way it's supposed to be. And what has
happened in America for the last 20
years is we've had what I call a
financial coup d'eta where the bankers
decided we can't trust the people and
the people's representatives to manage
the fiscal side. So we're going to
change the model and we're going to take
over control of of both monetary and
fiscal. And of course if that succeeds
and it's gone very far but it's not all
the way. So let's say we've gone 70% of
the way we have 30 more to go. that
happens, then we lose the ability to
determine taxation. In other words, we
get no representation. If they want the
money, they just take it out of our
accounts. Um, could you explain for a
third grader what fiscal policy means?
Monetary policy means it's monetary
policy means I get to create the
currency. Fiscal policy means I get to
to collect and and spend the taxes.
Okay. Got it. So, so, so let's look how
your federal government works. Your
federal government, grossly
oversimplified, gets about half of its
money to, you know, fix the roads and do
what it and run the military. Um, and it
gets the money by half of the money from
taxing. So, we all pay federal taxes. We
all have fees, various fines, whatever.
Half the money comes from the taxes and
half from where? H half comes from the
central bank. Okay, got it. The central
banking mechanism right now the the the
currency is issued with debt. It doesn't
have to be, but it is. So the New York
Fed So the Treasury, your bank account
as a citizen is at is is the New York
Fed is the depository for your bank
account. Okay. Okay. So they are the
federal government's bankers. The
Treasury account is at the New York Fed
and its members banks. So the New York
Fed is owned by its members but they
also act as agent. So you're going to
have the largest banks in the country
owning and directing the New York Fed
choosing its president but also you know
doing depository functions for the
treasury. So they as agent are also
doing various things for the treasury.
Okay. So they have a function called
primary dealer and a primary dealer is
authorized to go borrow money using
treasury bonds and bills. So they borrow
money. So that's sort of part of how the
currency gets into existence and they
put it in the Treasury bank account. So
half comes from taxes and half comes
from borrowing. A lot of that coming
from your retirement account or my
pension fund. Wow. Okay. Okay. Okay. So
So our retirement fund or it could be a
a Norwegian pension fund or sovereign
wealth fund, you know, are buying
treasury bonds and the money is going
into the bank account and that's where
half comes from. Which is why if you're
the president of the United States, it's
like getting an allowance from dad, if
you don't do what dad wants, you're not
going to get your allowance. You don't
have sovereignty. You don't have
financial sovereignty. And you don't
have information sovereignty because you
as the president can't have a private
telephone call. You got 17 intelligence
agencies, even the president. Yeah.
Especially the president. Especially the
president. They'd much rather know what
he's saying than you or I was saying,
right? I guess that's true. Right. Okay.
Wow. Right. So, how are you going to run
a government if you don't have
information sovereignty and you don't
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heard your red button story. Yes. Okay.
And and what the red button story says
is since the American people want their
check, they don't want you to say no to,
you know, the people who control the
monetary that they they want to keep. So
So we are the United States is a global
leader in global money laundering and
organized crime money. Okay. Okay. We're
the global leader and if that money
stops, you know the red button story and
you can find it on the internet if you
want to listen to it, but the red button
story is people were not willing to push
a red button to stop the organized crime
flows because they wanted their checks
to keep coming. So we have a financial
dependency as a as a society on on
things, you know, doing things that harm
other people, including our own
children, our own selves. Um, you know,
so I talk a lot about the great
poisoning. We have a tremendous number
of industries in the United States that
are making money from poison people and
taking care of poison people and they're
very resistant to stopping the
poisoning, right? That's what this big
debate is about and it's a budget
debate. So are you talking about like
food and healthcare? Basically talking
about food and healthcare spraying
what's in the pharmaceuticals. Yeah.
Um, if you look at the federal
budget, we So, so let's go back to the
model, the central banking warfare
model. The key to the central banking
warfare model is if you're running the
reserve currency for the world, the
dollar system, you have to make more
from running it. You have to make enough
from running it to um fund your military
and intelligence. You know, there's a
lot of work in governing the sea lanes
and being the global cop and running the
trade model and all of that. Yeah. So
you have expenses. And so when you hear
the president yelling at everybody at
NATO like you have to share more, what
he's saying is that that the subsidy
from the dollar system minus the
interest on his debt minus the cost of
the military intelligence is no longer
working. And he's got to rebalance the
model. The subsidy. Yeah. What do you
mean by the subsidy? So running the
dollar system, you get to extract a
tithe. So let's say tomorrow we created
Danny Jones dollars. Okay? And whenever
you wanted some, you could just print it
off your computer. Okay? And you could
pay people throughout this community for
food or, you know, uh or for services
for doing your landscaping. Okay. With
Danny Jones dollars that you And I have
my own printer. And you have your own
printer. That's a big subsidy, right?
Okay. Yes, that is a big subsidy. That
is a big subsidy. That's a that's an
unlimit unlimited subsidy. It's not
unlimited if you have to pay everybody
in America off to go along with what you
want to do. So part of the big cost of
the running the model is the American
people vote based on domestic issues and
don't understand what's involved in
running the whole global model. And so
you've you've basically got to buy them
off and pay them off to get them to sort
of go along with whatever you want to
do. Got it. And that's expensive. So if
you look what what happened at the end
of the when the Soviet Union collapsed,
the US said we want to be a unipolar
model. One of the reasons I left
Washington, I said your plan won't work.
and and the failure in the Ukraine was
the the message plan failed and now we
have Rubio the secretary of state saying
oh we're going to be a multi you know
it's a multipolar world now so the
unipolar model failed and so the model
has to change we have to we're still
running the reserve currency but you
have to rebalance the model the unipolar
plan didn't didn't work and it wasted a
great deal of capital right so now we
have to change the model and so if you
see the president talking
about, you know, I want Canada to be the
51st state or I want Greenland. He's
trying if he can't go east west.
Remember, they were going to collapse
the Soviet Union, get all those
resources and use that to maintain the
unipolar model visa v China. Okay. That
didn't work. So now he's talking going
north south instead of going east west.
Right. Right. Yes. Yes. So he he's just
trying to figure out you have to change
the model. And if you look at the debate
and discussions going on in Washington,
the unfortunate thing
is whoever is in the White House, they
have to change the model. They don't
have a choice. The model, the technology
changes in the world, competition among
various parties means we have to change
the model. We have to evolve the model.
We have to. And so the question is how
do you do it? And unfortunately there
are too many people in America sitting
around and saying wow wow wow we don't
want to change. Mhm. But that's not, you
know, it's not changing because
whoever's in the Oval Office now wants
it to change. It It's changing because
they got to change. You have to change
for the times. I don't think most people
even think about this kind of stuff. I
think most people are more t are more
focused on
um squables that are irrelevant to
geopolitics
or the financial system. Keep them away
from the third rail. If I'm running
this, I don't want the general
population to mess with the third rail.
Do you know what I mean by the third
rail? What do you mean by the third
rail? On a transit system or a railroad
system, you have two tracks. That's
where the wheels go. You have a third
track. There's a little trim tap that
flips over and that's where the
electricity runs. Oh, okay. Okay. So,
that's the power. Okay. And you don't
want them messing with the power. So,
you keep them busy with divide and
conquer and the unipolar pendulum and
all that kind of stuff. But that has
nothing to do with what's really going
on, right? And when you say
that they need to they need the American
people to pay for what they're doing
when when you mentioned that earlier,
were you specifically talking about
individuals or were you talking about
like lobbyists? So So here's what I
mean. Um if you look at the federal
budget last year, so the 2025 year, uh
we had a military budget of 857
billion billion dollars and Hex says
wants to take it to a trillion. He says
it needs to be a trillion. The HHS
budget is 1.8
trillion. And that's because we're all
poisoning each other. American people
are poisoned. They're chronically ill.
And our our if you look at our health
care system, it's almost double the cost
of Switzerland's health care system. So
we spend more per capita than just any
country in the world by a lot. And so
it's very expensive. And um but so Mark
Skidmore, who is the professor at
Michigan State University, who's helped
me a lot sort of document the all the
money missing from the federal
government, he just finished a
calculation. We just did a show with him
on the salary report. If we cut
disability, so the number of people in
America who are disabled back down to
2010 levels, you would you would drop
that HH bud HHS budget by half a
trillion dollars. Wow. Right. So that's
what it costs to do to to poison your
population.
And that's why this battle around the
HHS budget and policies is so fractious,
including the fact that the government
is legally liable if the truth comes out
for poisoning
Americans. Which means if you look at
what Toby Rogers says, Toby Rogers is
the guy who's really tried to cost out
the price of autism.
So I got on to all of the HHS issues
because I was an investment adviser. And
what I discovered was that healthc care
fraud was the number one cause of of
family bankruptcy or loss of family
wealth. And and number two in my
experience was financial fraud. So
people were just losing their wealth
because they were being lied to. They
were being lied to by the healthare
system by hospitals. Everybody really
like legitimate healthcare
organizations. Okay. Yes. And and many
of those legitimate organizations really
didn't know. I mean, my father was a
very successful surgeon, you know. I
sort of grew up. Unfortunately, we'd
say, "Daddy, what did you do today?" And
then he'd really tell us. Oh, no. Oh,
yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. The dinner
table at our was was very We used to
read his surgical books for fun. What
kind of surgeon? He was he he had during
the World War II, they had taken the
University of Pennsylvania hospital and
literally picked up most of the people
and the organizational structure and
moved it under Stillwell to Burma. So he
grew up in um or or he did his
internship and residency in China, Burma
doing trauma. He was a MASH unit, right?
And when he came back, you know, cuz a
lot of the big um improvements they make
in surgery happens in wartime because
they have so much uh you know, so much
opportunity. And he when he came back,
he redesigned he worked and redesigned
how the emergency room should work. all
over the country. Wow, that's amazing.
And well, it was really funny because
both sides of my family, all the
competition, there were very competitive
people on both sides, but it was like,
okay, who did the most to save
civilization today? Okay, your
grandfather did this and your father did
that and you know, and so, for example,
his father had um had gotten the laws
changed so they could bring penicellin
to Tennessee and had introduced
penicellin to Tennessee. And that had
been a huge lifesaver for many people.
So at the dinner tables like your
grandfather brought penicellin to
Tennessee. What have you done today?
So this idea that you talk about of the
control grid, right? Can you explain
what the control grid is? Sure. So so
let's say the way George Keenan at the
end of World War II said we got 6% of
the people and 50% of the resources.
Mhm. And to keep that going, we're have
to we're going to have to be really
tough. We're going to have to drop a lot
of bombs. So Goldwater came along and he
said, uh, you know, we're going to have
to drop a lot of bombs and and be really
tough. And people said, "No, no, no.
We're good Christians. We don't want to,
you know, that's not us." So Jimmy
Carter came along and he shivered in
front of the fireplace and said, "We're
going to have to cut back." And the
American people said, "No, no, no, no.
We don't want to do that." So So, so
then the Bushes, I always say the Bushes
came along and said, "You know, you're
all the good Christians. Here's your
check. Don't ask questions." Okay. So,
what we've been doing is we've been
subsidizing the American people with the
blessings of sort of racketeering around
the world in the third world and running
the
warfare.
So, when you go from a unipolar to a
multipolar model, you lose the ability
to extract the resources you need to
keep that going. So, for example, if I
want to trade my Danny dollar
for, you know, labor and resources all
around the world and the BRICS nations
don't want to take the Danny dollar,
then I'm I'm losing the ability to
subsidize the American way of life.
Okay? So, I have to cut back. So, one
way to cut back, so you can say, "Oh,
well, there's a climate change
emergency. We want everybody to cut
back." You can try that. or you can, you
know, throw on tariffs and that's going
to cause even more inflation.
Everybody's going to cut back. But at
some point, if you're really going to
cut people
back, it it's very helpful if you have
complete
control. So if you're the bankers and
you want to control fiscal policy and
collapse the current constitution
system, if you can exercise complete
control with digital technology and an
all digital financial system, you have
complete control. So go back to the
pandemic. If we say, "Okay, we want you
and your family to lock down." Then
suddenly your money won't work outside
your house. You know, you can order a
pizza to be delivered, but you can't
leave the house. If you have an electric
car, ultimately you can turn off the
electric car. And if they say, "Well, we
mandate we want you to take the shot.
It's mandated. If you don't take it,
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Yeah. And and we were chatting as we
were watching this IMF panel and I
freaked. I just said, "Did did you see
that?" He said, "Don't worry, I got the
clip." I said, "That's, you know,
because in my world it's impossible that
anyway, but here's what he said, and
it's a 59 second video. You can run it
if you want." Um, if you go to our
website, we have a section called video
shorts. And in the financial transaction
freedom, we have about a hundred short
videos, and this is the first. He
basically said, you know, with digital
technology, and he was explaining
central bank digital currency, CBDC, but
you you can do it privately with stable
coins. It doesn't have to be a CBDC. It
can be a stable coin. And he said, um,
he said, uh, we can make the
rules of what you can do with your money
and we can enforce the rules of what you
can do with your money. Right? So, if
they say, you know, Danny, you know,
your health isn't what it should, you
can't you can't eat pizza, your money
won't work to buy pizza, right? Or you
can't travel outside the the limits of
your area code or your zip code. They
your credit cards turn off if you go out
there. So, you can't buy gas, you can't
buy food, right? But the the reality is
with AI and software, I can make a
entirely granular control system just
for you, one person at a time. Right.
Right. And so, I can do it for you.
broad brush. It's very specific. It's
eight billion and and I can collect all
the data and apply my social credit
system just to you. If you're good, you
know, you'll get maybe you can travel a
little bit more. If you're bad, you get
locked out. Maybe you can explain this
to me. uh because I've never had anyone
explain this to me before, but there was
a story that came out um a couple years
ago how and I forget the name of the
country, but there was a country
somewhere in Eastern Europe where um the
United States basically offered to pay
them like a couple billion dollars to uh
to mandate
vaccinations and all these sort of uh
controls during the pandemic and they
refused to do it and they refused the
money. But basically the United States
was paying another country billions of
dollars for for these mandates, right?
Well, they do that all over the country
and all over the world. I don't
understand that. That does not I don't
understand how that works. Can you
explain like why what is the benefit of
us giving billions of dollars to some
other random country on the other side
of the world for them to lock down their
own people? So, so there could be many
possible reasons, but one is
prototyping. So, you know, this is
something you're planning on doing in
your own country and you want to see how
you could get it to work in another
country and and it's a prototype. A lot
of times those are prototypes.
Okay. So, Steve, if you can find that
article. Yeah. It helped me to know
which country it was. Yeah. Sounds like
it might have been Hungary. Oh, might
have been Hungary. Yeah, that you might
be right. So, I found um it's a I don't
have access to it, but it's it says US
ends vaccine funds for poor countries.
That's not it. No, no. It might have
been it it was something that came out
where the president of that country like
um made like a public statement and
called out the United States. There was
one guy who called out the United States
and then he had an assassination
attempt. The fi five of the countries
that refused to do the mandates in
Africa. I have a big article about it.
They they their leaders either got
assassinated or were thrown out in the
next election. Really? Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, Steve, it might have been Hungary.
Check on Hungary, but it was one of
those countries right around there.
So, you know, my guess is uh because I I
worked for several years with a group of
doctors and scientists trying to
understand what was happening with the
injections and I absolutely believe that
they were trying to install operating
systems in people's bodies. Operating
systems. Yeah. So, this just got dark.
No, if you if you listen, there's a
great clip from right at the beginning
of the pandemic when the chief scientist
officer at Madna says, "We're installing
an operating system in people's bodies
and and he, you know, he's describing
something that can be used plug plug and
play for future vaccines." But if you
look at all the material on the internet
of
bodies, you know, you're talking about
putting materials in people's bodies
that make them basically easier to
interact with with telecommunications
and and digital technology. Are you
talking about like the 5G stuff and like
how 5G can connect to this stuff, nano
bots? There's a there's a whole there's
a whole I've had a I've done a podcast
on this before. It's so bizarre and out
there and like hard to grasp, but like
it's it's not hard to grasp at all
because it's just it just seems like
sci-fi. No, it's not sci-fi at all. It's
it's not just like they're they're
tagging livestock. I mean, if one of the
things that really helps you to
understand what this looks like, I live
in a farming community in the United
States and if you know about lives, if
you've ever studied livestock
management, no, never. A lot of this
makes a lot more sense. Okay. Um, you
know, and they are tagging all the
livestock, but this is simply a way of,
you know, if you if you get a lot of
these nano particles into the human
body, you're creating the equivalent of
an organic barcode. Okay. But I but was
there I don't think there was actually
any hard evidence that there was any
nano particles. I strongly recommend you
we just published um Patrick Wood at
Temocracy News. Uh I was the moderator.
We just published the second
um the second uh uh symposium called
omniwar and this one is called the
battle for the brain and it gets into
the internet of bodies and what here's
what I believe and I'm not a scientist
so don't ask me to explain this at all
but um if you look at all the patents
and research and other work done on the
internet of bodies
uh you know it is clear that that there
are mysterious ingredients in the food.
There are mysterious ingredients in the
spray. There are mysterious ingredients
in the injections. And the question is
what you know what are those for? And I
don't think I think it's very
intentional. I don't think it's an
accident. And I think one of the goals
is as the chief scientist officer at
Madna said is to is to install an
operating system in your body.
That's pretty dark. Yes, it's very dark.
So, go to the Purdue go to the Purdue
engineering website to the internet of
bodies and look at the whole internet of
bodies. I'm sure you're familiar with
the story of that guy Charles Liieber
who I think was a Harvard
nanobiologist. He there's actually a
story I just saw on Twitter this
morning. He just got sent to hired by
China to go work in a university in
China. He got busted basically for like
taking millions of dollars from China to
No, he got busted to keep him quiet is
what I believe. He got busted to keep
him quiet. quiet right explain what do
you mean by that so when you have a guy
so Charles Liieber is one of the world's
leading experts on brain machine
interface okay and he was working with
the guys in China you know in a very
significant way and he was one of the I
think he was the top expert at Harvard
on brain machine interface right right
and um and you know one they went after
him early they went after him hard and
they put him in a process where they he
had to be entirely shut up. And then so
they authorized Operation Warp Speed,
which remember it's a military program.
And who did they put in charge of it,
but they put the former head of research
at at GSK, who is what? A brain machine
interface
expert. The guy who ran Operation Warp
Speed that Trump appointed was a brain
machine interface expert. What was his
name? Oh, it's head of GS Glaco. Head of
research. Head of research. He had been
head of research at Smith Klein. Wow.
And and his expertise was brain machine
interface. And what's interesting for
many many years I've worked with
Clifford Carnicom on global spraying.
What's in the spray? What does it do to
you? And Clifford insists, we just did a
huge interview with him at the Silly
Report that the materials, the
biosynthetic engineered materials in the
spray or exactly what's in the
injections.
And don't ask me about it because I
can't explain it. Huh? Yeah, that's
bizarre. No, it here's the thing. If
you if you are running the planet and
you are a risk manager and you're
worried about all sorts of risks and you
can't tell people what's really going
on, the question is you've got to turn
the the aircraft carrier before it hits
the iceberg. Mhm. And that may be 20
years before it hits the iceberg and you
can't get people to follow you. And so
it's very attractive to have complete
control and to be able I mean if you
look at the amount of money that's spent
to influence people to adopt this opi
opinion or that opinion or keep them
busy or keep them away from the power
line. I mean the biggest investment
almost in this society is persuading
people you know to believe a fake
reality. And how how how specifically
where does that money go specifically
like not just to to news organizations
or like TV networks but like do do you
have any un or what is your
understanding of of how money is spent
to
influence ideas? So, so the first thing
you spend a whole world of money on
education to get them to get the
universities to present a certain kind
of you know view of the world and and to
promote certain things. So it starts
with education. Um a huge one of course
is media. So so media is also in all the
different ways you know it from news to
social media is affirming and
encouraging people to go certain ways.
And it's not just official ways like,
oh, please go, you know, vote in the
next election, right? It's entrainment.
It's subliminal program. There's real
mind control pulling. And you're pumping
that out where they're watching sports.
You're pumping that out where they're
watching porn. You're pumping that out
to get them to think that certain things
are real, other things are not real to
head them in certain directions. So you
have you have enormous overt media and
enormous covert media, right? That's
affirming all those things. Now your
your third big expenditure is on
intelligence because you're now tracking
everybody. So with AI and software, I
can track every person and I can watch
what they're thinking and saying and
doing and I can feed back to nudge them
if I want them to go in a certain
direction. So if I announce lockdowns
and I want everybody to really lock
down, then I persuade them this is all I
mean we persuade everybody there was a
pandemic when there was no
pandemic, right? It's pretty amazing.
Yeah. It's it's we're in a world now
where everyone has their own reality.
Unfortunately, it seems like the idea of
what is true is slipping away. And it's
and it's there's so many different
flavors of reality, whether that be
ideological, religious, political,
um, whatever it is. It's it's everybody
has just a different
truth on so many on so many different
levels. It's It's almost impossible to
have any consensus of reality anymore.
And I I Oh, I think it's very easy. Do
you? Yeah. Because if you just track the
math of time and money, it's concrete. I
mean, it's doesn't lie. That's that's
that's why I love you. I think that's I
think that's beautiful. That's that's
how I came to it. I'm a little I'm a
little girl in West Philadelphia, but I
because of who my family was and where I
went to school. In one week, I would go
back and forth between all these
different worlds and cultures, and I
couldn't make sense of anything cuz
everybody was lying. They were lying to
themselves. They were lying to each
other. I was like, I've I've been I've
been, you know, I've been I I've been
born into a nutouse here. And so,
finally, I thought, I have to find a way
to navigate this. And so what I came up
with was the was the mathematics of
time. I love math and that's my you know
math is one of my gifts. The mathematics
of time and money. And what I discovered
is if you could figure out the math of
time and money then you could figure out
reality. The math of time and money can
figure out reality. Where you know how
many hours? You just count up all the
hours. Where are they putting their
hours? Okay. Count up all the money.
Where are they putting their money? How
do they spend their money? So, I'll give
you an example. When I was the assistant
in
1984, I overheard two guys on Wall
Street billionaire types talking about
how they were going to roll out
entrainment subliminal programming on
TV. And it scared me to death. And that
was it for me in TVs. I never had
another TV again until the
administration. I had a friend helping
me decorate. I bought a big house in
Washington. And she bought a TV for me
without my permission. and she said,
"You can't work in the Bush
administration unless you watch the
Sunday shows." So, I had it for a little
while and then I gave it away cuz I hate
them. And uh but I because I was the FHA
commissioner, I'm working with the
budget for the home mortgage market. And
if you're working with that and the
resol at the time there's a big SNL
cleanup. So, I'm I'm working with all
the credit in the financial system in
the budget. And because we're going
through the 21 uh we competed for
appropriations with 21 other agencies, I
basically had to learn the whole budget.
So, I'm sitting there tracking dayto day
exactly what's happening in the budget.
And then I'm watching, you know, so
we're over here whacking up the money in
the budget. And you get on the Sunday
shows and they're talking about what's
going on. And they got this whole
fantasy about what's really going on.
It's got nothing to do with what's
really going on. They're just like,
"Wow." Yeah. Yeah. And so for a year,
the Truman Show. Exactly. Exactly. It
was the Truman Show. I'm watching. I
know exactly what's going on cuz I'm
looking at the money and I'm dealing
with the money and they're
going and it, you know, it's
entertainment. It's got nothing to do
with what's fascinating. Yeah. So, but
if you follow that's why, you know, the
What year was this? That was 89 and 90.
89 and 90. Yeah. 89 and 90 and that's
why so so under the law so there there
at the time there were four mortgage
insurance funds but there two of them
are most of the money so under the law
and the big one the single family fund
by law the first thing I did when I got
to Washington is I read all the law
related to what my responsibilities I
want to know under the law what am I
responsible to do so I read the law and
it said uh that I had sole fiduciary
responsibility for what was then the 320
20
billion mortgage insurance fund and I
was required by law to run it on a
self-sufficient basis. So the premiums
we charge for the credit had to cover
the defaults and expenses. So I'm
required to run it. So I decide, okay,
I'm going to try and get how much money
are we making and losing? So I called in
the budget officer. They bring in the
budget and it would have gone twothirds
of the way to the ceiling with all the
budget justifications. So I'm a
speedreader. I sp I read through it
several times that weekend. I called the
budget officer in on Monday. I said,
"Nowhere in this budget does it say
whether I'm making or losing money." He
said, "That's not in the budget." I
said, "If I have sole fiduciary
responsibility to run this on a
self-supporting basis, I need to know
that, right?" He said, "Well, the
accountants have that information." I
said, "Well, give me their number. I'm
going to call them." He said, "They
report to a different assistant
secretary. You're not allowed to talk to
them." And I said, "Well, that's going
to change." So, no, I had raised a lot
of money for George HW Bush and all I
got was a pair of cufflings and the
accountants moved over to report to me.
So, I did I used all my pull and I got
the accountants move report to me. They
come in the first day. We are losing $11
million a day in the single family fund.
So, I said, "Look, all real estate's
local. We got 10 at the time there were
10 federal regions. They're less now." I
said, "We have 10 federal regions, 80
field offices. Where are we making and
losing money?" He said, "We don't have
placebased financials." I said, "We mail
out checks. We have zip codes." I said,
"This is a rush. It's an emergency. Get
the nurse." Well, it turned out we were
making profit in eight regions and
losing everything plus more in two
regions, which was, you know, it was a
black budget. It was it was the Bushes
and the Clintons. It was the Texas
region, which included Arkansas, and the
Colorado region. It was just like just
it was a black hole of money just
vanishing. Yeah. It was the mortgage
fraud. So you remember it we had a big
the the SNL crisis in '89 and that
cleanup was a lot a tremendous amount of
mortgage fraud. Anyway, so I could talk
about all those guys in mortgage fraud
all day long but and then and then the
day before 9/11 um Ramsfeld says that we
have what was it like $4 trillion that
were unaccounted for. They were missing
DoD was missing 4 trillion but he said
2.3. She said it was 2.3, but it was
four. And we had I was working with a
reporter and we had a huge story coming
out that Friday about the whole missing
money and what it meant per person. So
we had calculated for each taxpayer in
each state how much you were
missing. So yeah, so that was the
financial coup which had started in
1998. And where did all that money go?
Well, that's what I've been trying to
figure out. And without the bank
statements, I can't I can't, you know.
So, so I've tried to map out because
money, remember, you're too young to
remember the Did you ever see the old
Pillsbury Doughboy commercials where
they squeeze out on one and it pops out
someplace else? Oh, I don't know about
that one. Yeah. So, you're probably too
young. So, so when the money started to
going missing from the Treasury and the
federal government, the offshore haven
started to just balloon, you know. So
this is going down and this is going up
and um anyway but but I have tried to
unpack where the money's gone and what
they've been spending it on and and you
know I have a lot of guesses but what's
your best guess?
I I think it's many different things.
The first thing I think you've been
financing a new system. So I call it the
breakaway civilization but I think
you've literally been financing a new
system. And it's like when you're
running a company and you you keep the
old systems going and you get the new
systems up and you bring the resources
over steadily and then at some point
you're ready to bring this down. And I
used to say the pandemic was the
breakaways breaking back in and taking
over. But but I think they've moved a
lot of money out and in theory if you
look at how much has been stolen it's
enough to run a global government on an
endowment basis. It is how much roughly
total has been stolen. So as of 19 as of
2015, there was 21 trillion in
undocumentable adjustments, but that's
not cash and and it could reflect money
coming in. So you could be bringing
money in from the war zone. So how much
is net missing? You know, it's
impossible to tell. But given
everything, I would be amazed if it
wasn't at least that much missing.
So now what I think you've been doing is
you've been making enormous investments
in blackbudget technology and
infrastructure.
So um you know so I think I think you've
got a huge physical infrastructure.
um some of it when you did 911 you were
able to move a lot more black budget on
budget and so that sort of eased the
pain because the problem with the black
budget as of 911 was to get that money
you had to tell you know it was it it
had gotten the fraud had gotten so
dysfunctional and wasteful. So you you
wanted to do more on budget, but uh you
know whether it's it's building a new
governance system and a new endowment to
run it or invisible weaponry, secret
weaponry, secret space program, um the
infrastructure underground to to
platform that. I think it's all those
things. One of the theories that has
been bouncing around in my head from
recent guests that I've had on is
that
military contractors have been taking
money from the US government and from
the Pentagon to develop futuristic
weaponry. Um develop new new uh physics
alternative propulsion. Absolutely. uh
crafts that have some sort of
alternative propulsion systems since the
70s or even actually probably since the
50s I think. Here's how it works. Okay.
47. Do you understand the legal
structure of how they did it? No. Okay.
47 you passed the National Security Act.
Okay. And that gives you the ability to
set up the secret infrastructure. 49 you
passed the CIA act. Mhm. They literally
had to kill the secretary of defense to
do that. They assassinated Foresttol to
get that done. We have a lot of
interesting material on the Forestto
assassination on the salary and you
should go through. Yeah, you should you
should learn about Foresttol and what
caused that assassination and what it
did to
create you literally took several
sections. Wasn't he a KKK guy?
Don't
Okay. Not that I know of. He was a He
was the president of Dylan Reed. He was
a partner of Dylan Reed. Okay. I thought
he was in the KKK for some reason. I
might be getting someone I might be
thinking to someone else. Never mind. I
I don't know. I I've never read that
about for I really studied him, but I
don't know. Okay. So, uh don't worry
about it, Steve. Well, even if he was,
that's not what got him killed. What got
him killed was standing in the way of
creating Israel and giving them the
nuclear bomb. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.
And he wanted disclosure on the black
budget. He was for disclosure on the
black budget and he didn't want Israel
he didn't basically he didn't want that
part of the organized crime syndicate to
get sovereign powers. That's so anyway
what happened was they made a deal on
the 49 they got rid of fartol they made
a deal on the 49 act that created the
CIA and that made the CIA the most
powerful banker in the world. Eisenhower
put him in charge of Area 51 security.
And literally once you look at how the
the exchange stabilization fund and sort
of the different money aspects of the 47
and 49
act organized to work. You've now
created this financial mechanism that
combines covert violence and makes it
the most powerful banker in the world.
Um, now not I should say on the covert
side, the most powerful bank in the
world is the BIS. So, so didn't they use
I could be wrong about this, but didn't
didn't uh Dulles take a bunch of money
from the budget to rebuild Europe after
World War II to build Area 51. That's
right. I don't know if he used that to
build Area 51. He ran a slush fund out
of the exchange stabilization fund from
Sullivan Cromwell and before they got
the 49 act created. And part of that was
to create this infrastructure because
part of it said you can you can
appropriate to all the different
agencies and then claw it out secretly
to give it to the intelligence agencies.
Right? So they created after World War
II and all the slush fund money they got
from World War II, they created a
mechanism to constantly replenish the
covert money. But here's the big thing.
When Bush came in during the Reagan
years as vice president, his deal with
the intelligence agencies was he gets to
run or with uh Reagan was he gets to run
the National Security Council and the
intelligence agencies. He creates an
executive order signed by the president
by Reagan that corporations can do
highly classified work. Now, let me tell
you what that means. What that means is
the Treasury can issue an infinite
number of bonds and use that money to
pay corporations to do highly secret
things, including just gifting them all
of the black technology funded by the
taxpayers and moving it onto their
balance sheet and do it in a secret way
that generates enormous profits in the
stock market.
Wow. Okay. So now you've got a way. Now
what's the number one source of campaign
contributions?
Companies like this. Capital gains.
Capital gains. Okay. Capital gains. I
have a stock. It's trading in a multiple
of 20. I give you a million dollar a
year contract. That goes up by $20
million. Your stock goes up. that
creates capital gains for the investors
and the executives who then turn around
and they or their law firms make
political contributions. It's a
kickback. Right. Right. Right. Okay.
Yeah. So, if you read my my book, I have
an online book called Dylan Reed in the
aristocracy of stock profits. And it was
designed to explain to you how that
kickback system works, right? Because uh
and the quote we have at the beginning
is an old New Jersey street saying,
"Make a law, make a business."
So every time the government does
something that makes stocks go up, they
get a kickback of campaign contributions
from that and of course the taxpayers
funding the whole thing.
Now let's go back to corporations. Now I
can transfer trillions of dollars of
invaluable black technology into the
corporations and fund them with
taxpayers money to own and develop it
secretly and keep it away from FOYA. So
you and I can put in a foyer and we
can't find out cuz it's behind the
corporate veil. right now. Now, one of
the fears about this is that since
allegedly since the 50s when they
started working on some of this stuff,
is that it's gotten so
advanced in these black corporate or
these these black military-industrial
complex, aerospace corporations,
whatever you want to call them, that
they've become essentially more powerful
than the US military. Correct. because
of the technology that they have power
they own. Now, I can't say that it's
more powerful than the US military cuz
they need the US military to do a lot of
what they're doing. Well, essentially
the way it was described to me is that
these
these corporations or these
organizations basically are so powerful
and have such advanced technology that
they have their own air force, their own
milit, their own navy, everything. And
we've had senators, we've had senators
stand up and say this, but what I call
them is a breakaway civilization, right?
They have broken away and they are so
much more advanced. Now, if you look at
their assets, what I would say, if I
could assert jurisdiction, those are our
assets. Those were either gifted or
stolen, they belong to us, right? But it
is it's not it's not corporations who
have a lot of technology. It is a
breakaway civilization and they
literally think of themselves as a
separate civilization and not subject to
our laws. Separate from not only the
United States from but separate from the
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show. I was in a meeting with the
secretary and he got very we had called
in the regional administrator. So, we
had 10 regional administrators and he
was very angry at the regional
administrator from California because he
had implemented a court decision. the
court had decided something. He had
implemented it and and the secretary was
very angry at him and and he said to him
in front of everybody, "Mr. Secretary, I
had to. That's the law." And the
secretary just explodes with fury. He
says, "The law, the law. I don't have to
obey the law. I report to a higher moral
authority." And that's a perfect
example. When you're in
Washington, you have a group of people
whose attitude is, "Look, as long as I'm
doing what the baggers tell me to do, I
don't have to obey the law. The laws are
relevant to me." You know, I I'm I'm
part of the breakaway law. You know, I
have to obey them. I don't have to obey
this law.
Now, as far as this quote unquote
breakaway civilization, we have we have
these private um military industrial
complex, aerospace, weapons development
agent companies and we also have these
banks. How connected are they? And like
what I know you've talked about like
space research and um even developing
underground facilities these deep
underground is it the same thing these
dums these deep underground military
bases right um they're they're investing
in all this stuff simultaneous
simultaneously. That's what it appears
to me to be. Okay. So, and and remember
a lot of the underground bases are
public or publicly announced or known as
existing. So, you know, and and there's
a lot of things you would do or store
underground just any good risk manager
would do it. So, I don't it's a
continuity of government thing to have
those kind of facilities, right? So, you
know, but I think the the in my guess is
the infrastructure is a lot greater than
is publicly has been publicly made aware
of like they have full cities under
there that would be live. That's what
some you know I don't know if you've
ever watched the different videos of the
truckers, but if you spend a lot of time
talking to the truckers because the
truckers have to deliver a lot of
material into those bases and you'll
get, you know, you'll get a lot of
reports about what they've seen or
heard.
So that's Have you seen the videos of
those salt
mines? There's like giant salt mines
over somewhere in uh in Poland, are you
thinking? Maybe Poland. Yeah. Um and
they're just enormous. They're just
these caverns with like I would say
they're 100 ft tall on the inside and it
it looks like like New York City
underneath a mountain. Really? They're
insane. And I I would imagine it could
be easily converted into some sort of
underground city, but there's salt mines
apparently. And there's just like like
lines of semi-truckss driving through
them. So the I'm I live half the year in
the Netherlands. Mhm. And the you know
the power of of Northern Europe grew up
on the fish. Look at that right there.
Oh wow.
Bizar. I bet I bet that's Poland. I
don't know. Yeah. Where's it at, Steve?
Uh huge salt mine planetarium. I don't
know. Click the
link about Dracula grave. Really?
Oh god. You can find it, Steve. We
believe in you. I grew up on the cod and
fishing. You know, a huge amount of the
wealth in northern Europe came from the
ocean, from the fish. Right. Right.
Right. But but the so I live in
Freezeland and the one of the things
that made free the Freezands were
amazing world travelers and they figured
out how to get the salt from the Polish
mines and salt the cod. So you could put
cod in a barrel salted and it you would
have animal protein that was good for 10
years so you could sail anywhere in the
world. Wow. Right. Yeah. All right. It's
in
Romania all the way out. Okay. Well,
that that would be consistent with
Dracula's grave. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. There's a there's uh insane
photos and videos of this place that
that are just mindblowing and kind of
terrifying too. It reminds me of total
recall.
Yeah. Look at that. It's wild.
So I you know I will tell you that the
in my opinion you have a corporate
infrastructure which is literally out of
control. Mhm. So, one of the things I
used to have these fights with the
defense contractors because I was
required to to get the accounts when we
uh I still needed data and the systems
were run by the big defense contractors
at HUD and they would refuse to give me
the data. So, I would have these wars
with them. It's like who really runs
HUD? Is it the defense contractor or is
it the point, you know, the person who's
legally responsible? Right. Right.
right? You would have huge fights and
then you know the one of the biggest
problems is like like you were alluding
to earlier is they control the
government by paying by lobbying right
like they they they can control the
government by killing people who don't
do what they say that's how they control
the government
and lobbying
lobbying you know I mean they're they're
different layers but you know I'll give
you an example so I published I
litigated with the federal government
for 11 years and then fought with the
IRS and Anyways, 11-year shaggy dog
process. And when it was over, I didn't
want to go back into the investment
world without explaining what had
happened. So, I wrote an online book
called Dylan Reed in the aristocracy of
stock profits. I've tried to publish it
three times. The last time I each time I
ran into just enormous headwinds and
problems and threats, but the last time
they threatened to kill somebody in my
family, so I just What? Yeah. Yeah. Who?
Uh I I can guess where it's coming from.
I know how it was
delivered and and I know who delivered
the messages but who started it I can
guess but I I don't know but I I took
them seriously. I thought okay there's
it was delivered through somebody like
like in person through somebody you
know. Yeah. Yeah. Uh you know one two
were acquaintances one was somebody I
know but it it's very carefully crafted
so that the people who deliver the
message don't necessarily understand
what they're a part of. But Right.
Right. Right. and and I thought there
was a reasonably good chance that they
would do it. So I did you you never
know. And you just published this book
on your website. It was already on it
was already online. It was already
online. So I just left it online. It's
not censored. It's there. Right. Right.
Okay. So how how are so first of all
what is the Bank of International
Settlements and how are they tied to
this breakaway civilization? So the bank
of international settlements is a
central bank of central bank. So it the
63 largest most important central banks
in the world belong to the
BIS. The top central bankers meet there
regularly. They have a group called the
financial stability board that um
defines systemically important
institutions which to me appear to
essentially get some of the benefits of
their sovereign immunity and they have
the power to move money and hold it on
their on their balance sheet
secretly. So, um, if there's 21 trillion
missing from the US government, in
theory, you could move that 21 trillion
to the BIS and have it sit on the BIS
all day long and use the BIS to move it
to lots of countries who then donate to
the Gates and Clinton Foundation, for
example. Wow. I'm using that as a
theoretical example. You see what I
mean? Mhm. But but because they have
sovereign immunity, we've created since
World War II a whole network of
organizations around the world who have
sovereign immunity. They're above the
law. So we have um you know we have
parts of the UN, we have the World Bank,
we have the IMF, they have all sorts of
different variations of sovereign
immunity. We have a whole bunch in Latin
America. And we've created this meta
structure using international treaties
or using the sovereign immunity entities
for all sorts of behavior and and
um and economic activities that are not
subject to our national laws essentially
for running the world. Because if you
want to run the world, you can't obey
the laws. If you're if you're if you're
the I think you've used this analogy
before. If the world is your house,
right, and you're the owner of the
house, there are certain things that you
have to do that, right? And it allows
you to move a lot of money and a lot of
data and information secretly. When we
talk about these banks and the people
that are running these banks, like do we
know who the the individuals are? So, in
my experience, the system is run through
committees consensus. So, I'll give you
an example. When I was on Wall Street,
um, a lot of the money in the United
States is run around the federal budget,
okay? Because it's such a big portion.
In any county in America, 40 to 50% of
the income comes from the federal
budget. Okay? So, it it really drives
the economy. Okay. So, the
appropriations vote out, you know, sort
of their plan for the next year. And so
their recommended appropriations come
out from the committees and then the big
questions, the big things to be debated
or figured out or questions are rolled
up and sent out to the Bohemian Grove.
Everybody comes out to the Grove, they
meet and they chew over the big things
and then they make their decisions and
then that goes back to Washington.
Everybody's on vacation and then the
staff gets everything ready to vote for
the budget in September and then the new
budget goes forward in October. and and
if that process breaks down and you have
a real food fight, then you've got a
real mess. But the big decisions are
made by consensus and you use, you know,
whether it's a Bilderberg meeting or uh
Council of Foreign Relations, uh they're
a little bit different, but yeah,
executive committee of the Council on
Foreign Relations, you you you know, you
have uh these meetings where you get
people from all different industries,
all different occupations together so
they can coordinate and collaborate and
they make these decisions very much by
committee or consensus process.
Which is why once they agree to
something, everybody hates to, you know,
you can't buck it because, you know,
we've told 20 different industries we're
going to go to the right and so you
can't just go to the left and you hiccup
everybody. What can you explain to me
exactly what the Bilderberg Summit is
all about? So, I'm not that familiar
with the Bilderbergers. I mean, I never,
you know, if you look at who I worked
with, I mean, I worked with some people
on Wall Street or in Washington or in
the Bilderberers, but it was simply a
more international version. And my guess
is, if you look at, we grabbed so much
booty at the end of World War II. I
think one of the initial goals of the
Bilderberers was to manage that, you
know, that sort of pot of money. I heard
that Peter Teal and Eric Schmidt were
the representatives in the United States
for the Pilderberg's summit. So more
recently that's possible because the
tech, you know, tech is so important to
build the control.
So um and you know, I hate to say it, we
the 21 trillion is, you know, we sort of
sucked out as much money as possible and
put the government on a debt trap, but
if you look at what they're doing now,
now they're stealing all the data. And
it looks to me like they're building up
to to steal the rest of the assets.
What's left? H there's um if you look at
the if you have an AI and you want to
build a control grid and a social credit
system, the most valuable data you need
is payment data. And so taking the
social security, the IRS, and the
Treasury payment data, it's the most
valuable data or some of the most
valuable data in the world. Oh wow.
Right. So that's worth It's funny. Naomi
Wolf and I were trying to cover this at
one point and she said, you know, that
data is worth more than a trillion
dollars and it is. And it's interesting
because Musk was out raising capital for
XAI and had a deal with Palunteer AI at
the same time. And my guess, you know, I
think Palanteer has an AI. Yeah. Oh, I
didn't even know that. Well, according
to published
reports, XAI and
Palanteer had made a partnership and and
when Musk was sucking all this data out
and my guess is that data
is, you know, they they they sucked it
into the AI on the just do it method.
What do you make of of everything Elon
is doing and Doge and buying X and Well,
let me come around to that and um and
I'll I'll the other thing is and and
this is from a video uh an interview
Howard Lutnik said he said don't worry
about the so he's the secretary of
commerce but he was a primary dealer and
he was the guy who lived next to Epstein
for many years. Okay, he lived next to
her. Okay. So, Lutnik says, "Uh, don't
worry about the $36 trillion of debt
because we have on the US balance sheet,
we have 500 billion, uh, I'm sorry, 500
trillion of land and mineral resources,
which is true. The federal government
owns a huge amount of the land in the
United States." Oh, wow. Right. And
during Trump, in fact, he ordered up a
ge geological survey that would allow
basically to map 100% of the mineral
resources in the country. H so um if you
want to plunder the US balance sheet,
you know, it's worth a fortune. It it
could create, you know, new kind of
Roths Shield and Rockefeller fortunes if
you plundered it.
This is crazy stuff. No, it's not. It's
just money. It's just money. No, but
here here's the thing. We don't have we
have one problem in the United States.
We have a secret governance system. And
that secret governance system has
decided to change how we're governed and
managed. And we're having a big
disagreement because they want central
control. And digital technology will
allow them to do that for the first time
in history. And we don't want that. We
want to be free. So, we're having a big
debate about whether or not we're going
to go to a complete control grid or
we're going to be free. That's the
debate. And whether the, you know, the
breakaways can break back in and say,
"Okay, we're dictating to you now that
we've stolen all your money. We're going
to dictate to you how you're going to
live." So, who who is it that
specifically that wants this control
grid? Is this is this just some evil
group that is decentralized from the US
government somehow has control over them
or is this is this sort of just like a
diaspora of good and evil that is
littered throughout the entire US
government?
So, so you know think of this as a
dynamic discussion back and forth
between the population and the people
who are responsible to manage the
planet.
And you know if you if you come up
through the layers of the financial
system both the bankers the insurance
the whole thing and then the people who
make the top governance decisions you
know and I can only guess who they are
but I have some guesses you know they
are responsible for the
intergenerational pools of capital and
they were responsible for risk and they
over the last 50 years in my experience
they have been exceptionally frustrated.
They find managing the general
population very frustrating and scary
because remember occasionally you have
re revolutions and people get
guillotine. Right. Yeah. So they're
afraid of my personal experience is
they're very afraid of the general
population because they are few and we
are many. Right. Right. and and they're
risk managers and they think in very
long and what's happened is in
particularly in the United States you
have a huge cycle of disrespect now
between the general population and the
people responsible to lead the financial
system and um and the more the criminals
get away with really bad stuff the more
they hate the general population and
it's become a very
ugly cycle of
disrespect you know in in a way that
didn't exist when I was a kid. So, uh
and and that is dangerous because well,
look at the great poisoning. I mean, we
have the US government systematically
poisoning and killing the population.
The COVID pandemic was a mass
atrocity. You've killed millions or
you've you've killed or disabled
millions of Americans intentionally.
And why do you think specifically they
did? Does this have some anything to do
with depopulation? It has to do so so
the budget deal in 1995
broke and and that was I I it was
described to me by the top pension fund
the president the largest pension fund
in the country described it to me in
1997 he said they've given up the on the
country they're moving all the money out
starting in the fall so a concerted
effort was made to put the government
and the retirement system on a sound
financial basis
It didn't work. They decided, okay,
we're just going to start pulling money
out. That's when the financial coup
started. And that is when decisions
started to be made that systematically
lowered life expectancy.
And for from 19 from 2000 to 2017, well,
ever since then, I've been on every
radio show or internet show that will
have me talking about the 21 trillion
missing. And that's because it's a
formula. You have retirement funds. If
you won't fund them, and the political
wheel made it very clear in 1995, we
refuse to fund them. you only have
another way to balance the budget and
that's to lower life expectancy and so
we don't have to pay them. Well, if you
look at the charts literally from from
when that budget deal busted life
expectancy started to fall. So here are
the other 19 industrial countries and
here's the US and it starts to go down
down down and then the pandemic it drops
off the cliff and we the divergence
between and it target and the during the
pandemic the people that were most
affected were were elderly or people
that were you know already on death
store with multiple coorbidities. Some
you know it's a little bit more complex
than that but yes and and the latest
reports from social security is it's
working you know social security has
improved. Oh wow. But here's the thing.
I'm going to be a tough guy. This is a
formula. So So you either put the money
in tapering the Ponzi scheme. I've heard
I've It's not a Ponzi scheme, but if
you're not going to fully fund it, then
you can lengthen retirement age or you
can lower life expectancy. It's a
formula, right? And if the if the body
politic refuses to do the financially
responsible thing, then you got two
choices and you can't get there by
delaying the retirement age. That won't
work politically. So you just poison the
you just put them on a slow kill. And
that's what's happened. And you can say,
"Oh, the bankers are bad guys." But if
you saw the confirmation hearings for
Kennedy's appointment Mhm. I mean, what
you saw were scores of senators, yes,
refusing to take responsibility for a
chronic epidemic among our children,
which is an extinction level
event. That, you know, that was not the
banker sitting in the city of London.
That was senator sitting in Washington
refusing to take responsibility. You
know, it's one thing to say to Kennedy,
"We don't like your plan to end the
chronic epidemic, you know, of illness
among our children. Here's a better
plan." But they wouldn't own it. You
know, they just want to say, "Mm-
no, it was, you know, that is that is a
society that will
fail. I mean that's that if you if
you've ever this this is because a lot
of those congressmen and senators were
paid for by pharmaceutical companies
right
there are many plausible
explanations none of them good right so
they could have control files they could
be bribed they could be mind controlled
they could be not care they could you
know there are many possible reasons
none of which are good But what they're
not is they're not competent to be a US
senator. Right. Totally right. They
don't.
Wow. Um and and if I'm the bankers and I
want to control fiscal policy, you know,
I've proven on national TV that the
people who run fiscal policy are not
competent to run it
because the HHS budget is is bankrupting
the country. And it's not just
bankrupting the country. I mean, I was
an investment adviser for 10 years, and
the way I learned all about this is
watching the health care system bankrupt
families. So, that's my, you know, what
I'm angry about is there is no reason
why our economy can't be highly
prosperous and successful.
But it can only be successful if the
people are successful, if our children
are successful, if our families are
successful. That's what it takes to have
a successful civilization.
But how do you push back this sort of,
for lack of a better term, crony
capitalism that is seems to be
intrinsically tied to the US government
and it seems like all that matters is
that and and the people are like the
middle class is being gutted. There's
more billionaires being So here's what
you do. The first thing you do is you
bring transparency. So that's your
business, right? You're trying to bring
transparency to what's going on, right?
Second thing is you describe the
solutions and the real solution is when
millions of us proceed to behave because
right now the people who are
implementing all the evil doing all the
poisoning all the control grid the
people who are implementing you know who
they are us. We're we're implementing
this. I I could I could walk into a room
of health freedom activists, get all
their retirement funds, pull together
all the stocks, and show them they're
financing
it. They're putting they're supporting,
you know, we are going to work and
implementing this. We are putting our
money into this and we have the power to
change that overnight. If 10% of the
people in the country called up their
broker and said, "I am not financing any
of this evil doing. pull my money out
all these bad guys and you know I'm not
gonna buy them. I'm not going to support
them. I'm not going to date them. Pull
our money out of the banks. No. Pull
your money shift your money to the banks
that are good. You you've got a
tremendous number of great banks and
honest bankers in this country who would
love to to diminish this. What are the
good banks? So, if you go to salaryi, we
have um we have an article called how to
find a good local bank and we have um a
four-part series on how to identify and
find a great bank or credit union. Okay.
But it's a I take a JP Morgan's not one
of the good ones. So, we have a very
interesting document. If you do a search
on salary for JP Morgan Chase Oh,
really? We had a um a subscriber after
the financial crisis and and in my
personal experience JP Morgan was deep
in the mortgage fraud at FHA in the
government. So she continued to bank at
JP Morgan Chase and uh and I'd had I
don't know if you know how the maid off
fraud worked. Yes, I'm I'm familiar.
Okay. So maid off after the mid uh 90s
only had he had two businesses. He had a
brokerage business and he had a um uh
the money management the Ponzi scheme.
Mh. And the Ponzi scheme only had one
bank account at JP Morgan Chase. So I
was interviewing Helen Chaitman who's
one of the attorneys who litigated the
maid off she'd been a maid off victim
but represented other made off victims.
And I said to her, um, I said, "Helen,
who was the securities custodian? If JP
Morgan Chase was the bank account, who
was the securities custodian?" And she
said, "There was none because he never
bought any securities." And I said, "But
Helen, that means JP Morgan Chase
controlled the whole time."
In other words, under the laws, they
knew that Maidolf was not buying any
securities because there was no
securities custodian and and the money
in fact they would run with huge
balances at JP Morgan Chase according to
her interview. It's wow, right? They
they were
the senior partner. That's insane. They
were the senior partner. So, you should
it's an amazing interview. Anyway, so so
I had this person put together a list of
every criminal and civil money penalty
that JP Morgan Chase had paid from 2006
to I think it's 2018. It's up at Lerary.
And then we had our editors go through
very very carefully. And we found $42
billion of civil and criminal money
penalties
for financial, you know, activities that
I would describe as, you know, they
clearly knew they were defrauding people
and harming people. And, you know, so my
question is why is anybody if an
institution would do
that? Now, I I can make arguments where
it makes sense for somebody to have
their money at JP Morgan Chase for
things we don't need to go into. There's
all sorts of esoteric reasons, but I
would say that a majority of people who
are free to move their money out of JP
Morgan Chase, why don't they?
Why why wouldn't you acting? It's so
convenient. The app, have you ever used
the app? It's great. They got zel. You
can send money with zel to anyone super
easily. So, having been I don't think
people have time to think about this
stuff, you know, like normal everyday
working people. So, so you're saying
that you would do business with the
Russian mob because it's convenient. I
mean, if I knew I was doing business
with the Russian mob, no, I wouldn't do
that. Right. So, what I'm telling you
is if if you will do business with
people who who steal and
defraud, then it's I would choose not to
if I knew about it. Crime that pays is
crime that stays.
Okay.
So I mean if you look at the financial
crisis you know we shoveled 27 trillion
of taxpayers money into
institutions you know so so that was a
huge theft that was a huge st taking why
would you ever bank with any of those
institutions if you could avoid it right
and there are times some people can't
avoid it so I'm not but but I mean I'll
never forget being in Washington there's
some big protest and one of the guys
said to is look, as long as they have
City Bank credit cards in the back of
their pocket, I don't care if they walk
up and down.
Why? Because that's
that's tra that's traceable, right?
They're tracking. Well, as long as
you're giving me all your data and
you're giving me all your money. Mhm.
And I control your money and your data.
All the money and the data. Yeah. What
do I care if you walk up and down?
But isn't so Trump has been super this
this current administration this new
administration or at least when Trump
was running he was very pro Bitcoin.
Trump was put in by the bankers to get
the control grid. The other team in the
unipar wasn't moving fast enough. They
they couldn't get the control grid. I
knew it. I've never I sent you a link.
We just did a new collection of all the
things Trump is doing to move the
control grid. He is moving very very
fast. He it it when it comes to building
so first he's getting the real ID
implemented very aggressively real ID to
do a control grid you need a very high
quality precision national ID that's
interoperable with all the other IDs
around the world and he's got Christy
Nome out there pushing the real ID like
there's snow tomorrow so they're working
and it's it's done through the states
but the feds are pushing it so the first
thing you need is a digital ID the
second thing you need is an all digital
financial system so you got to kill cash
and you got to make everybody interact
digitally. And if you look at what he's
doing with taxes and social security,
he's trying to make everybody, you know,
he's canled pennies, but he's also
cancelled now, you know, normally I pay
my taxes with paper. And now he's
saying, "No, you got to do everything
digital for it's not this year, but next
year really." So, he's trying to, if you
go through that list, I've got like, you
know, 50 different items of what he's
doing. Um, and if you look at what
they're doing with the Genius Act and
Stablecoin, he said no CBDC's, but
stable coin, so I don't know if you've
read the Genius Act, which is the new
plan for stable coins. Okay, a CBDC is
issued would be issued by the Federal
Reserve. So presumably the New York Fed
and the Fed member banks. Okay, now they
are owned by their members. So, City
Bank, JP Morg, they own as members, they
own the New York Fed and you know,
basically govern it. Okay. And and and
the New York Fed is the depository for
the Treasury and and the different banks
work as agent to do those transactions.
Okay? So now under the Genius Act, what
they're saying is the guys who own the
New York Fed are all going to create
subsidiaries and issue stable coin which
will be interoperable and can work with
a a social credit system. Now here's the
beauty of it. You know, the the New York
Fed under the law has direct obligations
to Congress and Congress has
jurisdiction over them. If you do it
through the owners of the Fed, through
their private subsidiaries, you're going
to have some degree of freedom. So it
gives you more freedom. Oh my god. Yeah.
So if you think this is improvement, you
have another thing coming. Anyway, but
what they're planning to do on
stablecoin, which I have to say as a
financial matter is quite
clever. Remember the pallets of cash you
sent to Iraq. Oh yeah. Okay. This is
going to be the digital equivalent of
the pallets of cash sent to Iraq because
what they want to do with stable coins,
so a stable coin is just a bank deposit
or a treasury bill or bond. So, it's
fully collateralized by a dollar. You
put a dollar in and and these stable
coins are going to I mean, you have some
stable coins that do gold or other
things, but these are going to be
dollar. And this is going to create a
huge market for the treasury bills and
bonds and and you're going to so you're
going to the bank subsidiaries will
create the stable coins. They'll be
fully collateralized in treasury bonds
or bills, but then you can send them out
on Google payment and Apple payment and
all the wallets around the world. And
literally, you can get people from
Bolivia to South Korea coming into your
state and using stable coins. So, you're
literally going to tend for the global
population, try and get everybody off of
their local currency into stable coins,
and you're going to pump out massive
amounts of private credit to make it
really attractive.
So, you're just going to hand out money
and and get everybody on the dollar.
And you don't think the bricks would try
to compete with this? Of course, they
would, right? Yeah. Of course.
And do you think this is something that
could legitimately be implemented? And
if so, how soon do you think they would
start doing this? I think as soon as you
pass the Genius Act, it can go very,
very fast.
And where are we at right now with with
the Genius Act and it getting passed?
I'm assuming it's going to pass sometime
soon. If if it doesn't pass before the
session breaks, it'll pass in the fall
is my
guess. So, it it it could you could
really see the world rock. Now, our
problem in America is Trump aware of all
this stuff or what do you think what do
you think his what is his motive in all
of this? or not his motive, but he is he
basically a useful idiot here.
So, I don't I don't know Trump. I lived
in New York for 11 years and and the PR
firm we use was did his business, too.
Everything I know about Trump, I know
from Howard Rubenstein and company.
Anyway, but um you know I think
Trump I think Trump is in a
box and and you know and and all I see I
I have to judge people by what they're
doing and what it looks to me like Trump
and and Musk are implementing the
control grid at high
speed and and don't believe me go look
at that list because what you have to
say is Okay, to do a control grid, we
need a digital ID implemented that's
very highquality, high precise. Check
the box. We need an all digital
financial system. Check the box. You
know, we need a way of doing
interoperable money. Check the box. If
you look at what Doge is doing, we need
a social credit system. Check the box.
Wait, what do you mean by that? What
Doge is doing? Doge is from what it
looks like to me and I'm basing my
assessment of what I know from Doge
includes you know I read the Financial
Times I read the Wall Street Journal and
I need read Wired Wired has done a very
thorough job of trying to document
what's happening in the systems and I
think basically what they've done is
they've taken so so if I wanted to stop
fraud in the US government I would say
there's 20 trillion missing from DoD
there's a trillion missing from HUD I'm
going to go in, figure out where it
went, and get it back. Right? That's not
what they did. If you said to me, I want
to build a social credit system that can
be used to enforce control against the
American people and basically lock them
down with both enforcement and social
credit. I would go get the social
security data, the IRS data, and the
Treasury payment data. And that's
exactly what they did. And I would
privatize it. I would just take it and
put it in private AI with XAI and
Palunteer AI and and if Palunteer still
has the contracts with Treasury and the
IRS to enforce, you got everybody. And
you had the God Kennedy's aggregating
the healthcare data. You put it with the
healthcare data. Now, they've been
Danny, they've been aggregating this
kind of data. I used to call it the data
beast. So, they've been aggregating this
kind of powerful data since the '9s. So
I don't think this is all new. So for
example, you IRS data, healthcare
data and combining it all together into
one system with combined with AI, right?
But I think this time the government has
done the federal government has
generally done a pretty good job of
siloing the data to protect privacy laws
for many applications. But I think this
unsilos everything and moves it private
and puts it on an outofcrol basis is my
guess as to what's probably happened.
Now this is conjecture, remember? But
yeah,
if I wanted to build a control grid,
that's exactly what I would do.
Wow. Let's take a quick break. I got to
use the restroom. We'll be right back.
I'm curious um about Joseph Farel. Mhm.
and you know what you what you know
about him, your connection to him. So,
you know, I've worked with him for
years. We're very close. Oh, really?
Yeah. Yeah. How did you guys meet? Are
we back up, Steve? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So,
I I met Joseph by reading his books. I
started reading his books and I just
concluded he was a great scholar. Never
occurred to me that I could get to know
him. And then I met him and we started
to work together. And uh every quarter
we do a 5 to 10 hour recording called
news, trends, and stories. It's
basically going through what happened
over the last quarter of the last year.
We do four a year and we look at
everything that's going on on a very
integrated basis. So we go through the
top, we'll define the top 10 to 15
stories and then we go through something
called unanswered questions. And I'm
we're both great believers in framing
questions. If you don't have the
intelligence you need to know to know
for sure what's going on, you can still
define questions and and and and use
those questions to learn more and more
and more and get to the point where you
know more. So, and we have a section
called unanswered questions and then one
called inspiration. And we spend five to
we just finished a 10-hour recording for
the Yeah. The the number one story was
three hours. it was the Trump the first
70 days. So, so my understanding for
people who don't know who he is, my um
shallow understanding of Joseph, his his
background is he's published 10 books on
how there is this breakaway civilization
of Nazi origin. So, Joseph, the thing
you have to understand about Joseph is
Joseph is a great scholar. He is a
scholar. He has his PhD from Oxford. He
studied petristics and ancient Christian
theology and he intended to have a very
serious academic career and he proceeded
into academia after having his
doctorate. He grew up in South Dakota
and walked smack into the fact that the
American academic institutions were all
not interested in serious scholarship
and were headed the wrong way. And he
literally ended up at one point as a
working in a casino as a dealer. Oh wow.
Yeah. trying to support himself. So then
he just started writing books about, you
know, sort of um what's going on and he
focused on, you know, so again, we've
been talking about the breakaway
civiliz, you know, who's really wanting
things and why are they doing what what
and he'll go way back in history. He'll
go back a thousand 2,000 years. the
Venetians. How have the Venetians and
the Venetian model rolled into the
central banking model or how did the
Nazis roll into the breakaway
civilization? He does a lot on the
secret space program and he's absolutely
brilliant. And what happened to me was I
was an investment
adviser and Joseph was the only when
when I tried to explain to the people
who were doing shows related to the
stock market and the financial system,
they couldn't incorporate the black
budget and the covert side of the
economy was getting bigger and bigger
and bigger. and you couldn't
explain what was happening in the
financial system by using the official
reality. And so what I discovered is
even though Joseph's expertise is
petristics and theology and you know
ancient history and all these other
things, he was better on the financial
system than the financial guys because
he could integrate all the information
related to the secret governance system
and science. He's very good on science
and so so he and I worked close more and
more closely together and he's had a
very profound impact on me because one
of the things he taught me was we have
to we can't save the government
necessarily but we can save the
culture. And I when he said that I had
no idea Danny what that meant. It's like
I'm an investment banker. How do you
save a culture? You know I don't know
what to do. and and he really got me to
understand the power of each one of us,
you know, I knew about this financially,
but each one of us in our personal
lives, you know, building the culture
that we want to live in and and doing it
with all of our time and money and um
anyway, so so we've collaborated both on
the cultural issues as well as the
geopolitics and news. And I don't know
any any person. So he he was also
worried as I was about the plunder we're
seeing in the in the government. And and
you know we've always known as these
guys plundered all around the world that
they've said they were going to come
back and plunder North America. So he
just published a book on reconstruction
after the Civil War because he wanted to
warn people this is what plunder looks
like. Okay. So anyway, but he's
absolutely brilliant and if you look at
the content that you've covered on your
podcast, there's there's no topic that
you've talked about that he's not right,
you know, has something he he he has
something fascinating to say about
anything. The other thing I did with
Joseph that was just a blast and
remember we're we're constantly in
cahoots is um I crowdfunded So Larry
crowdfunded a digital organ for him. A
digital organ? I was I was at his house
one day and I said, "Joseph, you're you
know, you're not yourself." And he said,
"You know, I just dealing with the
content we deal with, it's depressing."
And I said, "Well, what do you do for
fun?" He said, "I'd love to play the
organ." He plays the organ. And I said,
"Well, why don't you go play the organ?"
He said, "I can't because all the
churches, the insurance companies won't
let other people use it now, so the
churches won't let me play their
organs." And I said, "Well, how much
does it cost to buy an organ?" And he
said, "Well, you can get a digital
organ." And I said, 'Okay, well, I I'm
going to we're going to do a crowdfund
for a digital organ. And it was during
the campaign in
2016. And literally, there were about
200 people in the Cari network who
crowdfunded a digital organ for for
Joseph. And it was like a whole process.
We went through three phases. We had
lunchons and meetings. And it became
like a little cult, you know what I
mean? It's like, you guys have an
election, we're going to crowdfund and
learn all about organ music. And it was
um so now I listen to a lot of organ
music and I travel around Europe going
to great organ concerts. So I'm now I'm
really into it. Oh that's great. Yeah it
is great. It's it's really you know if
you've ever been in a beautiful
cathedral with organ music it's like an
electromagnetic healing. Oh yeah. Yeah.
And it's really amazing. I bet I can I
can never I've never experienced it but
I can imagine. Oh you have to take your
whole family go to chart. go to Mo
Michelle when there's a great Oregon
concert. It's Isn't he a uh like a
Orthodox priest or something? He's
Russian Orthodox. He's Russian Orthodox
and he's very devout and very you know
he he takes his theology seriously. So
I'm always getting yelled at because I'm
not I'm a I'm a you know I'm Christian
but I'm not Russian Orthodox. Yeah,
that's interesting. So, so his so he
ultimately has been writing about these
breakaway civilizations forever. Years.
Yeah. For years. Years. Yeah. He's been
on it from the beginning. Yeah. And his
his theory that these are somehow they
come from the Nazis or something like
this. So So take it back to um you know
about Admiral Bird after World War II.
Remind me. Okay. So, Admiral Bird uh
took a force of the a Navy naval force
down to Antarctica.
Okay. And uh this operation high jump.
Yes. Okay. And came back very quickly
having lost I think ships and men or
something. But whatever happened down
there, we got whooped. And um and so the
question has been since then, you know,
cuz the Nazis were clearly down there
be, you know, during World War II, but
you know, so and the Nazis never, if you
look at the surrender, according to
Joseph, the Nazis never surrendered. The
German government surrendered, but the
Nazis never surrendered. And and we know
Dulles was in Switzerland the whole time
laundering money back and forth, and the
rat lines got a lot of money out. And
so, and we brought we brought 4,000 plus
scientists, Nazi scientists into the
national security state. Well, some
people or um a guy who's been on this
show before, he's a a philosopher and a
historian on this stuff, uh Jason
Georgiani was explaining to me how
essentially Dulles and the National
Security State funded the Nazis. Yeah.
So there's a wonderful book, I don't
know if you've read it, Charles Higum,
trading with the enemies, and he
literally describes people stopping, you
know, ballbearing orders going to the US
military so that they could go to
Germany to keep the tanks going. So you
literally had a meta structure, whether
it's Dulles in Switzerland moving money
back and forth or literally the American
industrial establishment helping keep
the German tanks going. So, you know,
you literally had a whole corporate
infrastructure that was on both sides of
the of the fight. So, I'm curious. So,
so this breakaway civilization that
we've been talking about of bankers,
central bankers and
um uh private military contractors, what
is there some sort of cohesive ideology
that they that they uh entertain?
Not that I know of.
So
um you know and I think that is one of
the reasons I think they're going to
fail because they
don't you know I have seen in different
sections or spots
uh a culture or a theology or a
philosophy but but I've never seen in
the
overarching and and now what you've seen
is you've seen groups you know uh you
see some groups who are
just you know it's It's just mafia. It's
just
crime. So, you know, I I would say
culturally the reason the unipolar model
failed was the culture failed
for the United States for the United
States. But if you look at what the the
groups who seem to be have power
positions globally, I I think their
culture will fail. I don't think any I
don't think any of the world's
superpowers have any sort of
cohesive ideology, do they? I don't
think China does China. I think China
does, but but it's weakened
tremendously. And um maybe Russia is
more so. Russia probably has the best
shot of anybody. And it's funny, the
Russians tried to recruit me in 2005. Oh
yeah. And they had a whole speech about
how they were building a great culture
and and if you look at everything they
said or the fellow who was trying to
recruit me said and what they're doing,
you know, they seem to be it seems what
he said seems to match what they're
doing. Why did they try to recruit you?
Well, I have a theory. I can't, you
know, I know what happens, but but I
don't, you know, you never know what.
Totally. Okay. So, so um so I got the I
won't bore you. I was at conference and
outside of the country and and I got a
very impressive uh guy who apparently
was advising Putin and he did a great
job of trying to recruit me and I just
kept saying to him nobody likes a
traitor you know that's you have to you
know you have to dance with the guy you
came to the party with and he said
they'll never trust you they'll never
let you back. I said I know but I don't
care you know I'm not I'm an American so
you can't you can't change that. And
this is when you were working for who?
This is 2005 before I'd settled the
litigation. And I went home. I was
working in Montana on a food project.
And so I'm in a ranch in Montana. I got
home and I said, "Something's wrong.
Something's really wrong." And they had
tried to force me to settle and I
wouldn't. And the negotiation was just,
you know, I was like, "You are going to
pay me the money you owe me, and I'm not
going to settle until you give me the
money." And it got really mean.
And they had pushed and pushed. It got
mean and mean and then and I think they
really wanted to settle because they
wanted to they knew they were going to
bring the mortgage bubble down and I got
home and I said something's wrong.
There's something I'm missing here. So I
got online and researched and I
discovered
that Russia and their wealth funds were
the the number two holder in the world
of US mortgage securities. What? Yeah.
And I said that was Fanny and Freddy
were trying to get me out of town. And
that wasn't that wasn't the Russians.
That was Freddy and Fanny. And it was
right after that that they finally
settled.
They paid me the money. Wow. And that's
crazy. Well, things, you know, here's
the thing. It's not the world, you know,
when you look at things through money,
things look very different than they do
if you're right. Yes. Yes. very it's a
much more objective way of
measuring all of the crazy stuff that
you read about or hear about.
Right. So I I think it was just a way of
getting me out of town and because then
they wouldn't have to pay me the money
if I was a trader.
No, really. Right. No, it makes total
sense, right? It makes total sense. You
know, some of the craziest stories I've
ever I've ever heard about um like uh
people being followed or spied on or
intimidated h have been people have
suggested that this is not the US
government that's doing this. These are
contractors that are doing these are
private private organizations. Well, a
lot of the people who were following
me, you know, they're funded by the US
government, but they have contractors,
but then the contractors have what I
call stringers, you know, people they
just pay daily. It's gig work enforcers.
No, it's just gig work. Okay. You you
get an assignment on your smartphone
that tells you to follow this person
around for the day or something, but
it's it's they're gig workers. And a lot
of them are stringers, you know, they've
been uh, you know, they're like drug
addicts or, you know, and they're just
making gig money. Oh, really? Yeah. So,
I had the whole, you know, I had the
whole portfolio all the way from, you
know, a real government employee to a
government contractor to stringers.
So, yeah, I've dealt with them
all. Again going back to this this idea
of of uh this breakaway civilization
some of the stuff that uh Fll has talked
about is there what what is
um they have ideas about genealogy and
eugenics and a lot of them are
eugenicists and believe in this idea of
this master race.
So I can only tell you what I personally
experienced.
But they do believe in bloodlines and
the notion of bloodlines is very serious
and real. And they do believe, you know,
just like they believe in breeding raceh
horses or champion cattle. They do
believe that some people are genetically
superior to other people, right? And
that's part of the bloodlines. And I
don't know a lot about I only know what
I've experienced, but I don't know a lot
about it. What I do know
is, you know, one of the big unanswered
questions I have is how much have they
been doing genetic engineering of
children all along. So, um, and I
suspect they probably have
been. So, you see saw the movie Hannah,
right? I don't think so. Oh, see the
movie Hannah. It's all in the movies,
you know. It's I remember in America
fact is fiction and fiction. Well,
you've seen I know you talked about the
uh the novel the science fiction novel
uh three body problem. I heard you talk
about that, right? which is basically
the idea of this uh alien this alien
civilization coming here from another
star system that has like three sons and
they can't survive and somebody
contacted them somehow and like let them
know that we have a planet here and
they're on their way here and they're
trying to stifle all scientific
innovation on the planet earth and so we
don't so by the time they get here in
like 450 years we can't develop
technologically to be able to fight them
off right so one of the things I believe
have you ever read uh rings of Saturn no
Norberg. Oh, that's a book you should
read. I can send it to you. Okay. It's
in When I first tried to buy it was
$2,000, so somebody sent it to me in
PDF. No, I think I think you know if you
if you can't get it, I I'll send you the
PDF. Yeah. Um but uh Bergland was I
think he was at I can't remember if I
think it was NASA. He was an engineer.
Mhm. And and when Voyager passed Saturn
in
1980, they saw they call it the thing in
the ring. They saw what they thought was
like a 70-m long plasma spaceship docked
in the rings. And the theory was that it
was getting energy from the ring. And
that's when the mortgage fraud and the
financial fraud exploded. And one of my
hypotheses
is, you know, did they suddenly say we
need as much money as possible to come
up to that level of civilization?
Because the theory sort of the history
of a more advanced
technological more technologically
advanced civilization meaning less. So
it never works out well for the less.
Yeah. So it's the same in threebody
problem crash course. How do we get up
here? And one theory on the breakaways
is, okay, that's a crash course to get
us up to deal with the people who
control the thing in the ring. I don't
know if it's true, but if you read
Popular Mechanics, they say the camera
and Voyager magically shut down and you
know, it's complete. Anyway, but if you
read Rings of Saturn, it's very Oh, wow.
Yeah. And you believe that uh that we
have some sort of alternative source of
free energy that we've already figured
out or that somebody's already figured
out and they're keeping it they're
keeping it secret from the So we have a
subsidiary in the Netherlands uh Europa.
So I have a Dutch partner and it's 50/50
you know myself and my Dutch partner and
that group they do all our audio videos
extraordinary people. I met them because
during from 2010 to now they've been
doing conferences on breakthrough energy
and the secret space program and their
breakthrough energy group is called
global BEM. It's up on the internet. You
can see all their presentations. But
global who? BEM BEM. Breakthrough energy
movement is what it stands for. And you
know they have a website and they
publish all the stuff and I've
participated in some of the conferences.
But they've been gathering breakthrough
energy inventors from all over the world
regularly to talk about what's possible.
I also have I have two companies. One is
Carer Report and the other is Careri
Screens. I do an investment screen and
the money manager. one of the money
managers we work with on celery screens.
We have a fund and he's been an investor
for many many years in a breakthrough
energy company. So, and occasionally
I'll talk to him about it. Now, I'm one
of those people science goes in one ear.
So, you don't want to ask me about
breakthrough energy, but you know, it's
all available up on the internet. And if
you know the story of
Tesla, you know, on down to the current,
there's lots of documentation and
evidence that we have a lot of lowcost
forms of energy available. Well, that's
the crazy uh sort of paradox with the
idea of, you know, if they're building
these, which we know they're building
these, you know, giant underground
cities and military bases and, you know,
underground superighways for people to
for some sort of government to be able
to run and for these people to survive
in some sort of nuclear war event or
something like this. that, you know,
eventually the diesel power that they're
using to run those is going to run out
of gas or run out of fuel somehow and
they're not going to be able to power
those underground bases.
I you know, I have no idea how they're
powering it, but but it seems to me you
you know, they're doing it whether it's
nuclear energy or breakthrough energy.
And also, you know, if you look at the
people what they've said, you know, once
you can get solar farms up in the
suborbital platform and shoot the energy
down here, there's also all sorts of
ideas about how you can if you can
dramatically lower the cost of energy,
that would make you want to have
complete control. If if you're running
the planet, you would want to have
complete control because if everybody
gets breakthrough energy on an out of
control basis, you've got no way to
control them,
right? Yeah. And another crazy thing
that I learned recently was that the uh
the Manhattan Project Mhm. is now the
Department of Energy. like they changed
their names a bunch of times and now
they're the Department of Energy, who is
the one during the Obama years. Uh Obama
passed the law uh that they were going
to ban incandescent light bulbs and now
we're on these LED light lights that are
much more low energy uh blue light
spectrum, right, which is the same stuff
you get from all these smart devices
that like hijack your dopamine system
and all this crazy stuff. It's all part
of the great poisoning, right? Right. So
I all I can one of the my favorite
salary reports we ever did was with an
attorney named Amy Benjamin and do you
know who Lauren Lawrence Wilkerson was?
He was chief of staff to Colon Pal when
Coen Pow was secretary of state during
the Iraq war thing. Anyway, and
sometimes you'll see interviews with him
as Colonel Wilkerson. He was worked over
for the joint chiefs at DoD when Pal was
there and then went over to state with
him. Anyway, but uh Wilkerson called me
and he said he said I just did a peer
review. He he was a professor in
Virginia. He said, "I just did a peer
review on secrecy, a a journal article
on secrecy." And he says, "It's the best
thing I've ever seen." He said, "You're
going to love it, but I can't tell you
who wrote it, and I can't give it to you
until it's approved." And he said, "As
soon as it's approved, I'm going to send
it to you, and you want to jump on
this." So, I did. It was written by Amy
Benjamin. She used to work at the
Department of Justice and she did an
interview on how all these things have
been engineered and kept secret because
when you realize that there's been this
whole parallel universe going on and you
didn't know it, right? It's like how
could this go on and me not know it,
right? And and so part of what people
have to grapple with is how could this
be happening and me not know? And Amy
does an absolutely fabulous job of
explaining
how this was all engineered. And you
have literally, you know, if I were to
make a balance sheet of the United
States, I will tell you more than half
the economy is black and secret, you
know, and so this thing is more than
half. Yes. It's been, if you look at the
organized crime money and the black
money, it's been getting bigger and
bigger and bigger and bigger our whole
life. And it's now, you know, and the
way I got into all these topics because
when I tell you I had no interest in
underground bases. I was just looking
for the money. It's like where is the 21
trillion, right? Where's it going? And
and I just kept looking for the money.
And what I discovered was this huge
secret economy. And it it was really
funny. For many many years, I had so
many wars with the financial guys
because they would say the dollar is
going to collapse. And I said, "No, it's
not. It's not going to collapse because
it's backed up by invisible weaponry,
you know, that that make sure it doesn't
collapse. And it's not going to collapse
because when you steal 21 trillion, you
got lots of money. There's no reason to
collapse. You know, you're collapsing
the people you're stealing it from, but
you're, you know, you're replete, okay?
You're not going to collapse. You know,
the reason they're doing it is so they,
you know, they're they have no reason.
They're resourcerich. They're not going
to collapse. So, it was really sort of
I'll never forget there's a famous show
I did with Greg Hunter who's sort of an
ally of mine who I very much, you know,
we have a very good friendship. And Greg
was screaming at me. He said, "I've had
30 of the most important financial
people on this year and they all say the
dollar is going to collapse. You have to
be wrong." I said, "Greg, I'm right. The
dollar's going to go up. It's going to
go up strongly." And because I'm I'm
looking at all the stolen money, right?
And and so he says, finally, I said,
"I'll bet you a dollar." He said, "You
have to be wrong. Every financial guy in
the world, all these top guys are saying
it's going to I" I said, "It's not going
to collapse. It's going to go up." And
he bet a dollar and I made him pay me
because it it was up 12% by the end of
the year. I mean, it's a big move. And
and and and it was Frell. It was thanks
to Frell that I was working with that I
could really and I was working with some
money managers, too. But you know, you
have to if you're going to look at the
economy, you have to look at the whole
thing. And if the secret part is as big
as the overt part, you have to look at
it on an integrated basis. Yeah. Which
is hard because it's hard to get
reliable intelligence as you know. Yes.
But that's where the unanswered question
comes in and you have to just frame it.
Now, how does uh when it goes coming
back to energy, solving the energy
problem, how how does this idea of
depopulation solve that?
Well, here's the thing. If you look at
the control grid, it's very there are
two things that are unbelievably
environmentally damaging. Okay? You have
a a global population of 8 billion
people. Mhm. If they all want to come up
to a level of per capita spending and
mineral and other resource uses as the
West. Mhm. Enormous environmental
pressure. Where are you going to get all
the minerals to build those roads, have
that many cars, etc. Okay. So, you're
talking about enormous environmental
pressure. That's number one. Number two,
if you can institute breakthrough
energy, then they're all going to want
to have 10 kids, right? Yeah. more
environmental lifespan is going to get
longer. So you solve that by control
grid. But the thing that is the most
energy wasteful of all is the control
grid. Bitcoin, you know, 3 years ago was
using more energy than Switzerland,
right? Really? Yeah. La in 2023 was
using like 140% of all the energy used
by the Netherlands.
Well, but you you look at the data
centers. I mean, just Bloomberg had an
article two months ago. If you look at
the data cent's plan for Texas, they
need 30 new nuclear plants.
30 30 by 2030 is what the article said.
30 new nuclear plants. And China's
building nuclear plants, you know, right
and left. So, so the energy this much
data and managing and keeping data
because they're talking about putting
sensors throughout the forests, you
know, you've got internet of bodies,
internet of forests, internet of you
know, you're talking about digitizing
everything and collecting and managing
the data using AI. It's it's an the
energy is enormous. I had this gentleman
on here a couple weeks ago who uh his
first day on the job working for the NSA
was 9/11. And he was explaining uh the
sentiment and the the sort of uh the the
vibe at the office that day. And he said
that everyone was very optimistic about
the future of the CIA now that they were
going to be able to just gather data
from people in in heaps, right? And now
they're building these giant facilities
out in the in like uh Nevada and the Mid
and um New Mexico that are going to be
these mass, you know, just to store just
all this information and all this data
collected by American people. So I
called the Patriot Act the concentration
and control of cash flow act of
2001 and um it moved a lot of the black
budget stuff on budget but there you
know so DoD at that point was missing 4
trillion but nobody cared. Suddenly they
got a $ 48 billion increase the next
year and and everybody was spending
money. Mhm. There was a a Washington
Post publication, I think it was in
2012, 10 10 or 12, called Top Secret
America, and one of the journalist sat
down and documented every national
security installation or building that
they could find that was built from the
Patriot Act on. And it's just, you just
wouldn't believe it. It's unbelievable.
I mean, the waste is beyond imagination.
I think there's a quote from Kissinger
where he said at one point humans will
eventually become uh useless eaters.
He's an idiot.
Kissinger was always and I knew him in
New York because I used to I was part of
the Republican committee there. Jonathan
Bush the brothers Jonathan was a good
friend of mine and I used to help
Jonathan raise money and so Kissinger
would be one of my favorite days in my
life I would frequent. So, I'm an
investment banker on Wall Street. I'm
making a boatload of money. I'm having a
great life. And I had a restaurant that
I loved. And they had one table that was
a bank at that was like the best table
in the house. Mhm. And I would always go
there and that was my table. And and we
would always confirm our reservations
three times just to make sure there's no
problem. And and I had dealt a lot with
Kissinger at some of the Republican
lunchons. Kissinger is, you know, he he
can be he he could be the most
narcissist person on the planet. It was
unbelievable. Anyway, so I'm standing in
line right behind Kissinger. And
Kissinger tells the matraee who's
looking at me. I'm behind him that he
wants that table. And she says, "I'm
sorry, sir. That's reserved. I can't
give it to you." And he's furious. He's
just like, "I I'm Henry Kissinger." And
I She said, "I'm sorry, sir. I can't
give you that table." Anyway, so I'm
with a client, my client. And so he's
mad. And she goes off and finally sits
him someplace, but he's steaming. And
she says, "Ah, Miss Fitz, your table's
ready." And takes me. And my client's
looking at me like, "Who the [ __ ] are
you?"
And Kissinger across the room is like,
"I hate you. I hate you. I hate you."
You know, and I'm laughing my head off
cuz it was just like, "Oh my god." Okay,
Henry. That is hilarious. The girls won
this one. My client was a female, so
Henry was really best. Wow. Right. It
was pretty funny. It was a great day.
That that's that's [ __ ] hilarious.
He's a He was a You know, there's a
story about Kishen Jun. I don't know if
it's true that that he's finally taken
into the inner sanctum and he's given
the books of all the classified
information that the military knows
about what's really going on. And it
totally changed him because he's like,
"Okay, we can't tell anybody really."
Yeah. So, I always imagine like what
that would be like to have that
information in your head. Well, I just I
how would that affect you?
I I don't know. You know, I've tried I
have tried if you look at all the
paranormal phenomena on this planet,
I've tried to understand it and figure
it out and I can't figure it out, you
know, but I've been through most of the
material. Frell and I did a great
two-hour interview called Who is Mr.
Global? And we went through every
different hypothesis. What do you mean?
Can you define Mr. global. It's the
committee that runs the world. So
there's a committee at the top that
makes all the big decisions. It's and
and my nickname for it is Mr. Global. So
So the question is who is Mr. Global and
why is Mr. Global doing what he's doing?
Because I, you know, when I look at a
situation, I like to put myself in
somebody else's shoes. Like if I was
Danny and I was doing this, what would
it look like from my point of view? And
so I want to put myself in Mr. Why is
Mr. Global doing this? You know, why is
Yeah. What's Mr. Global's point of view?
So anyway, so Joseph and I went through
and did who is Mr. Global and why is he
doing what he's doing? So we went
through all the theories, but my
favorite some of my favorite comments on
the internet is people say they'll say,
"Well, she worked at the White House and
you know she knows who she's not telling
us." It's like, "No, everybody at the
White House is not sure."
Who who who's your best guest of who Mr.
Global is?
Um I think you have intergenerational
pools of capital and right now they are
over influenced by a cult.
Yes. So I think you have inter
interdimensional intelligence which is
operating demonic intelligence.
Interdimensional demonic intelligence.
Yeah. Wow.
Yep. So I think this thing about good
and evil is real and and there I can't
find it anymore. I found it once there
were in the 30s a British physicist got
up and said you know we are we are being
manipulated but from other dimensions by
intelligent beings from other
dimensions. So I I think you know if you
if you study Christianity and you read
the Bible you're dealing with both
divine intelligence and demonic
intelligence. And I think too much of
the leadership has gotten deeply
involved in the occult and demonic kinds
of intelligence.
Wow. So I just read a book and I have no
idea. So I've I've I've tried to find
every theory to explain the paranormal
stuff. So I'm not telling you this is
true, but I just finished reading a book
called Final Event by Nick Red. I don't
know if you've ever read it. and he
describes it's a it's an it's a
exploration of a group of military
intelligence in the United States called
the Collins elite. Oh yeah, I've heard
about the Collins elite. Yeah. And and
they came to believe that the that the
ET phenomena was a demonic phenomena. It
was not people from another planet. It
was it was demonic intelligence.
Biblical stuff. Right. Right. And one of
the things he discovered was that or the
Collins elite apparently discovered is
in many sort of ET uh abduction events
if you called on Jesus Christ it would
stop.
What? Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what he
reported. And it he strikes me I don't
know anything about him but it struck me
as as someone who was trying to do a
faithful job of simply reporting what
they found. You know, there's uh a lot
of folks in the intelligence
community that
publicly state how they believe that the
whole UFO phenomena is like this
biblical thing, how it's angels and
demons and these things can be angelic
entities and you know like literal
like ground like legitimate people in
the intelligence community whether
they're still active or retired or
whatever. or that have been on podcast
that that state they believe in. Well, I
am sure that all of that stuff is
happening. So, I think we are dealing
with demonic and and angelic forces in
our world and that's interdimensional
intelligence. So, the Bible calls it,
you know, demons and angels. Other
people call it fifth dimension or
whatever. But I think we're absolutely
and I will tell you what I think is the
most important thing to understand about
the universe. So, write this down. This
is my favorite my favorite new book is A
New Science of Heaven by Robert Temple.
Oh yeah.
99% of the material in the universe is
plasma. Our universe is made up of
plasma. And I used to hear that David
Bow said this and other physicists as
well, but Temple's really documented and
nailed it. And I'm sure he's right.
Plasma is alive and it's intelligent.
And that means life is alive and
intelligent. Plasma or dark matter?
Plasma. Plasma. Plasma. But you know,
let me make it simple. The universe is
alive and intelligent. Sure. And we
share intelligence with all life. You
know, so in the Lord of the Rings, when
the trees show up to help, that's real,
right? So, so
life is alive and the notion that you
can take digital technology and control
it
centrally once you understand that is so
ridiculous. Only only a demonic
intelligence would come up with that
plan. Huh. Right.
Have you uh noticed this recent
phenomena of and there's been articles
written about it of essentially um a lot
of big shots in Silicon Valley are
mapping Christianity now onto everything
that's going on in Silicon Valley.
There's a church, a new church in
Silicon Valley that everyone's going to.
Peter Teal and uh the head of this
company called Y Combinator are you know
Peter Teal is you know famous
billionaire gay Christian and uh the guy
from Y Combinator is a big uh devout
Christian and they're holding these big
conferences and um you know all these
folks in Silicon Valley are seem to be
now converting to Christianity going to
church and uh it's just really
interesting to me you know because
Silicon Valley is, you know,
historically known for being like anti-
relligion, right? Like it's it's not
been a typical religious part of the
world in history. These people are, you
know, a lot of people developing tech
and developing, you know, these social
media platforms, transhumanism, and
um I know nothing I know nothing about
it. Yeah. Yeah. There's been a lot of
articles. There was an article in the
New York Times that came out. I think
the New
Yorker.
Um, and it's it's it's really
interesting to me that somebody like
Peter Teal would be invol, you know,
somebody who's, you know, very much tied
up in uh
the military-industrial complex, the
intelligence community, that there is a
non-alignment between the teachings of
Jesus Christ and what Peter Teal and his
companies are doing. Yeah. So, but I I
it makes me wonder though why somebody
like Peter Teal would be so invested in
promoting Christianity in Silicon
Valley. I don't know. I don't know. I
would need to understand a lot more. I
wonder if it I I wonder if it has
something to do with trying
to bolster Christianity in the United
States or sort of or sort of revive
Christianity in in some sort of a
national security aspect. Well, here's
the problem. The problem is that there
has been so much financial fraud and
corruption that you have a real
breakdown in productivity in the general
population. And so, you know, there
there is a vested interest if you don't
want to depopulate everybody in getting
everybody to be productive. And they're
not going to be productive unless they
believe in morals and have morals. So, I
mean, our problem, the reason the
unipolar model failed in my opinion is
we're not agreement capable. And and the
leadership is not agreement capable, but
now the message says the population, you
don't need to be agreement capable. And
when a complex society depends on the
rule of law or at least the appearance
of the rule of law, you take away the
ability to be agreement capable and the
society fails.
Yeah. I mean if you look at other
countries and you know if you look at
Russia and you see you know they have
sort of this cohesive uh orthodox
Catholic religion. If you look at Middle
Eastern, you know, countries, they are
so religious and extremely religious to
the point where they're willing to strap
a bomb to their chest and die for their
religion. We are uh we are the opposite
of that. We are not there's no sort of
um there's no sort of general religion
or ideology or belief that that ties us
together in that aspect.
So, one of the questions I would ask,
um, I'm trying to remember. I'm I'm I
have to look up and learn how to
pronounce his name. Mo,
uh, G A W D A T. He's Egyptian. He was
the chief business officer at Google. Do
you know him? He wrote the book
Unstressible or
happy. Um, he discovered AI when he was
at Google. See? Yeah, there he is. This
guy. Okay. Yeah. Mogot.
Ogdat wonderful wonderful man chief he
so he's an engineer he was the chief uh
business officer at Google and then he
discovered and worked with AI and his um
his immediate
uh his immediate reaction was to quit
and completely change his life. M and
one of the things he said um is if you
look at how quickly the IQ of AI is
growing. Yeah. And how far as a
processor it is surpassing us, you
realize we better hope that it's
learning it's learning a moral culture
from us that we're teaching it morality
because if we don't we're in real
trouble. And um and I think dealing you
know his reaction to AI has been that
which I've seen from others which is to
say the most important thing is not my
smarts it's my values and I've got to
revisit and invest in rebuilding my
values. Yeah. Well, like going back to
like the theme of this conversation,
morality is something that you can see
like it's very much tied to culture and
the United States, the population of the
United States, the citizens of the
United States.
Um, but when it comes to this
decentraliz this this sort of breakaway
government or whatever you want to call
it, it's almost like they can only exist
without that. If you have other
countries that are willing to like I've
I've had multiple people on this show
who have been a part of various
intelligence or have been a part of the
United States intelligence community for
a long time and have dealt with other
intelligence communities of of other
countries around the world whether it be
uh Russia, Soviet Union or um Israel and
um it seems to be at least within
the you know not saying the intelligence
community is this detached uh breakaway
civilization
But the only way to get things done in
this underworld of intelligence is to
bypass morals, you know, is to weigh the
good is to weigh basically what's worse
in order to achieve our objective. Like
are we willing to we're willing to do
whatever it takes to achieve the
objective. Although we will do the thing
that's the least worse. and and you hear
stories of, you know, some of the like
insane human atrocities and uh you know,
things that have been done with people
in the intelligence community
overseas, you know, on black operations
during wars and and this these kinds of
things. And um I guess the point I'm
trying to get across is
that the only way on this on this global
scale of nations if you want to be the
most powerful nation state on planet
Earth in this
anarchistic
global battle that these nations are
fighting. You can't be tied down by
morals to get ahead. So, so let me
describe it this way. There are two ways
to get power in this world. One is to
amass force whether it's financial
force, legal force, physical force, but
ultimately it comes out of a gun. And
power on planet Earth is run out of a
gun. Yes, it comes from force. There's
another way to get power and that's from
righteousness. In other words, if you
have the power to call on divine
intelligence, not just as an individual
but as a group, and you have the ability
to make and keep contracts across time
and space and communicate across time
and space, you know, freely and openly.
You know, if you go read the Bible,
that's the story of Gideon. That's the
story of Jericho. There's another way to
get power and ultimately 8 billion
people operating that power is more
powerful than all the the bombs and the
demonic force and they know that that's
one of the reasons they you know they
don't want us to know that to come to
that power but you know you you have to
understand I don't know if you did you
ever read Angos Swan he's got a great
book on power yeah I haven't read the
books but I'm familiar with them you
read his book on power. But Ingo Swan
was a Scientologist. Engo Swan was a
remote viewer and a Scientologist,
right? Yeah. And but he was a he was
what do they call it? They called
Leonardo da Vinci the same thing. He was
one of those people who's sort of a
polymath. Yeah. Polymth. And um uh
anyway, but but there there is another
way to get power. And if you train a
population to operate without morals,
you make them powerless.
So you think like a one world religion
would be ideal? I think a one world
religion would be a joke. I mean I just
you know I mean it seems like religion
has been the has been throughout history
the number one source of death and war.
Well religion organized religion
misused.
So I mean religion has been true
religion has been the source of many
great things. So,
right, I guess I guess I guess my point
was just like like if you're going to
separate like the this is the this is
the conundrum. This is the paradox of
it. If you separate morality and
government, you can't be the most
powerful government, right? And it seems
like this this Yes, you can.
This I'm absolutely sure. It seems like
we're in this like weird self-fulfilling
prophecy. You have to. There's a one.
Did you ever watch the TV series
Yellowstone? Yes. So, I'm a huge Taylor
Sheridan fan. Just a huge shirt. Yeah.
Anyway, but but I don't know if you
remember the second season where the big
issue is what are we going to do about
the Beck Brothers? Okay. Okay. And so,
they have to come up with a way of
legally killing the Beck Brothers
because they got to kill him. There's
nothing. And and the son corners one of
the Beck brothers on, you know, in the
bathroom right before he shoots him and
he says, "Why do you make us do it? Why
do you, you know, why, why do you, why
did you force us to kill you? And the
guy says, cuz nobody ever fights back.
And the son says, we do. Bang, you're
dead. And then he goes and sits on the
porch with his dad. And his dad says,
you know, the trick is to be, you know,
is to be more evil than evil so that you
can stop evil and protect your family,
but still love your family, enjoy a
sunset. So the question is how can I
outwit and defeat great evil and still
have the capacity to love? That is the
question. That is the question. And a
great a great moral government can do
that. But you have to be prepared. So
probably shouldn't say the story. Um uh
my my sister
uh a group of people many years ago was
trying to get me to run for president in
New Hampshire. Not because I had a
chance of winning. just so to bring
disclosure to get people to understand
what was going on. So, and I absolutely
refused. I said I had enough nothing to
do with it. So, my sister called me and
she said, "Well, what you know, okay,
let's just pretend you're willing to do
it. What would we have to get for you to
be able to do it?" I said, "You would
have to give me 250 licenses to kill, no
questions asked." And she's a lawyer.
She said, "That is the most unethical,
immoral thing I've ever heard." I said,
"How am I supposed to run an organized
crime syndicate unless I have the
ability to enforce?" Right. Right. So,
she thought that was unethical. I didn't
think it was unethical. She asked me
what I needed to do the job effectively.
Right. Mhm. Right. In order to survive.
No. In order to to do a good job at the
job. M so if if you're going to stop
evil, you're going to have to use force
and you're going to have to use it
wisely and you're going to have to use
it well. But you're going to have to use
it cuz you're you're dealing What was
it? What was that great scene when
president when Jack Nicholson is the
president and he's talking to the aliens
and he says, "Why can't we just all get
along?" And they kill him. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. But this is like then you get into
like if you want to use another example
of this paradox would be like what's
going on in the Middle East with Israel
and uh the Muslims right in the Israel
Palestine thing when I think there was
just some lady who was uh she was she
was up for I think she was up for the uh
some some position in the UN right like
the ambassador to the UN and she was in
front of Congress and she and somebody
asked her like do you think uh Israel
has a biblical right to the West Bank
and She goes, "Absolutely. Israel has a
biblical right to the West Bank." Then
she hasn't read the ancient scriptor.
That's a bunch of hoie.
Ask Frell. Frell. I mean, Frell has a
PhD in petristics from Oxford. Get him
to explain. It's all a bunch of hoie.
Yeah. Yeah. That's just an organized
crime syndicate who's created.
So, how do you think we get back on the
right path
then on this? We're It seems like we're
on this downward spiral right now. We
are definitely on a downward spiral and
we have to change the model and I you
know what what we focus on at Solaria.
So if you come to Careri we have
something called the building wealth
curriculum. I told you to go take a look
at it. Yeah, I watched it. I think we
have to decide do we want to be free or
do we want to be in the control grid?
And so we're going to have to slow down
and stop the control grid. And there are
many things you can do. So, we have a a
several big pieces on how to work with
your state legislature and all the
things the state legislature can do
under the constitution to protect the
constitution and to to stop the control
grid. Okay? And I think that's one
thing. The other thing is if you look at
how many of us are financing the cold
control grid, supporting the control
grid, supporting the people are
implementing the control grid are going
to work and implementing ourselves, we
can all just stop doing that. M um and
so that's another thing we can do and we
have um it's an article I want to stop
CBDC's what can I do so we have a
fantastic amount of information but then
I also think each one of us can go to
work in our own life because this is a
one control and freedom happen one
person at a time and what you can do is
make sure you and your family aren't
controlled that you're free but you use
your time and money to do things that
help other people be free because you
and I can't be free unless everybody
else is free. It's an all or nothing
thing. So, we have to grow and adopt a
culture where we're getting our power
not from a gun, but we're getting our
power from righteousness. And we are
doing things that help our family be
free, like protecting them from the
great poisoning. I mean, you Danny Jones
should be doing everything in your
family to make sure your water, your
food, your um your whole way of life is
protecting your family from the great
poisoning. There are many many things
you can do to do that, especially
because you live in a very beautiful
place. But um and so and so we have to
live our lives and and live our lives
where we adopt and support the culture
that is healthy and and help those
around us do the same. And if you if you
come into what our whole building wealth
curriculum is about and all of our
political action, we've invested
extraordinary money in the last two
years trying to help state legislatures
do those things under the constitution
they can do to slow down and stop the
control grid. We can stop it. We still
have time to stop it. So So you're
optimistic about this? I'm optimistic
that it's possible. I'm not
uh if if you look at how many people are
just going along with it. Mhm. It's
pretty scary. Yeah. Yeah. So, and and
it's funny cuz the number one criticism
I've gotten over the last year is is uh
I'm critical because I'm not supporting
the president. And my attitude is if the
president is implementing a digital
control grid, no, I'm not going to
support him on that, you know, and you
know, it's not personal. I want to be
free. Sure. Right. So, and and I think a
lot of people I've always told everyone,
look, you
can't the federal government is
financially dependent on the bankers.
You can't implement real change inside
the federal government. I mean, you can
implement some, but the kind of change
we need are millions of people saying,
"No, we won't go into the control grid."
I mean, if tomorrow everybody got up and
and just 10% pulled their money out of
JP Morgan Chase and said, you know, we
don't want to be controlled whether by
CBDCs or stable coins, it would rock the
world. It seems like it's uh things are
getting harder for the younger
generations to do anything nowadays,
especially with like interest rates
going up, people can't buy houses, you
know, people can't afford to borrow
money. um you know, universities, the
job market, you know, who knows what the
job market's going to look like in 10
years with AI. So, there are solutions
to all of that. I mean, if you if we
were to change the financial liquidity
on the ground, we could make things
wonderful for the young people and the
young people could, you know, build
companies and lead us out of this. So,
we could revive Main Street. The money
is there and the ability to do it is
there. I mean, that's all possible. But,
you know, it starts with recognizing the
way we're going isn't going to work. And
and you have a group of people who are
using the federal budget to centralize
power. So, what I can show you is the
federal budget, the vast majority of
money. I I can't tell you what the waste
is like. So, for example, back to the
foreclosed properties at HUD. Mhm. I
would find neighborhoods where we were
spending
$250,000 per unit to build public
housing where 50,000 would buy and rehab
a foreclosed property in the FHA
properties. So, we could get four or
five homes for the price of one. But
they wouldn't change it because when I
took the material to the woman who was
the special assistant, the guy who ran
the public housing program, she said,
"But how would we generate fees for our
friends? The entire federal budget is
engineered around fees for our friends."
And I don't see anything being done to
change that. No, but we could change
that because you can't if you look at
the laws uh that apply to financial
management, I mean the laws are all
there if we implement and enforce them.
So this can be changed.
Well, thank you. This has been
fascinating. I'm going to have to go
back and watch this podcast like two
more times to fully understand it. Okay.
Well, I'm happy. I'm happy. You know, I
sent you a lot of homework before we did
this. I'm happy to send you more
homework. Yes. Oh, I would love that.
Thank you very much. And then uh your
the two the links are the salary
report.com. Is that it? Yeah. And then
what was the other one? Uh cer screens,
but just go to salary. Everything
branches off of salary.com. Okay.
Beautiful. Thank you, Danny Jones. It's
been a real pleasure. It's been a It's
very nice to meet you. Um and uh I'll
link everything below. And we have some
Patreon questions if you don't mind
asking them. We have some uh Patreon
members that have some great questions
for you. So, we'll wrap up the podcast
now and then we'll go hit a couple of
those. Okay, that's all, folks. Good
night.