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The discussion critiques the current American economic and political system, arguing it favors the wealthy and older generations, leading to a widening wealth gap and a sense of disillusionment among younger people, which in turn fuels radical political and economic ideologies.

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The only thing that's bipartisan is

reckless spending. The Trump

administration is a lot more socialist

than what Mum Donnie is proposing.

Golden share and US steel because Donald

Trump's so good at bankrupting casinos,

he should run a steel company. Budgets

and taxes are a reflection of our

values. And our values right now uh

state the following that we think sweat

is less noble than money. You know, I

don't want to demonize billionaires. I

want Elon Musk to make a trillion

dollars. I want him to be taxed 60 or

70% on it because the bottom line is

it's not going to make him any happier.

I think effectively America's for sale

for rich people. I feel like this is a

literally a clown car running the nation

[music] right now. It's a corrupt crime

family. I think America is already

locked in a cold civil war largely

driven by economics.

>> What happened exactly to our economy

that's made boomers so prosperous while

leaving the young to struggle mightily?

It's a multi-dimensional thing, but at

if you were to try and distill it down

to one thing, it would be that old

people vote and keep voting themselves

more money. I mean, social security,

there's a dogma or that if you would

ever talk about social security in a

negative light that there's something

wrong with you. Most arguably the most

successful social program in history

took seniors from 30% poverty to less

than eight. It's been hugely successful.

The other side of that coin is the

wealthiest generation in the history of

the planet receives 1.2 trillion dollars

each year transferred from working age

people to them every year.

>> Uh 40% of our budget is allocated

towards seniors

and we spend 4 and a.5% on the

Department of Education, 1.4% on SNAP,

40% of which goes to kids. In some kids

don't vote. And whereas previous

generations saw advantage in investing

in education and technologies and

infrastructure that had a longerterm

payoff for young people, those

investments are no longer being made.

But the things we continue to invest in

are things that benefit old people. And

then tax policy.

Two largest tax deductions, capital

gains and mortgage interest. Who owns

homes and stocks? people my age who

rents and makes their money from salary

young people. So in some old people have

figured out a way to transfer more and

more money from young to old. A average

25-year-old is 24% less wealthy than the

25-year-old 40 years ago. The average

70-year-old is 72% wealthier than the

average 72y old was 40 years ago. in

some my generation is not paying it

forward. And

the last example I'll use is co a

million people dying would be bad. But

what would be tragic is if my generation

got less wealthy. So we flushed 7

trillion into the system. 85% of which

was not spent. It was saved. So where

did that go? It went into the stock

market and the housing market. Homes

went from 290 to$420 in two years.

>> Who owns homes? people my age. So, it

was great for the incumbents. When you

bail out the baby boomer owner of a

restaurant, all you're doing is robbing

opportunity from the 25-year-old recent

graduate of a culinary academy who wants

her shot. So, we've interrupted the

natural economic cycle of boom and bust,

which transfers money back from capital

to labor or to young people such that we

could continue to make old people

wealthier and wealthier. And the net

result is for the first time in

America's history, a 30-year-old isn't

doing as well as his or her parents were

at 30.

Okay, that is uh very clear and very

bleak. So, one idea that I have thought

about endlessly, but it's the one thing

that I always hesitate to say out loud,

but it uh it goes along with what you've

just said, which is I believe for the

economy to start moving in the right

direction. We have to let some people

fail. So there has to be uh you're able

to make a series of bad decisions fall

on your face and yeah either your family

picks you up or the church picks you up,

local institution, something but someone

somewhere has to be able to fail

otherwise we hit this really weird

static position where once you get

wealthy you effectively don't fall back

out. Uh and that calcification of the um

class structure basically creates a cast

system and that's where it feels like we

are right now. Am I close to the mark on

that or do you think that's crazy? Yeah,

I I think there's a big overlap with

what I believe and that is before co the

CEOs of the three biggest airlines took

150 million in compensation out and the

way they did that was through stock

appreciation and they kept using all

their capital to buy back shares to take

the stock price up which

disproportionately elevated their

compensation and then when CO happens

the airline industry collapses they turn

into socialists and decide that we're

all in this together and they need a

bailout out. No, those businesses should

have gone chapter 11 and then someone

else and their all of their equity

should have been wiped out and someone

else should have the opportunity to buy these

these

um you know, buy these assets for

pennies on the dollar. That's part of

the natural cycle. Uh in capitalism, we

believe in winners and losers. We

believe in winners and losers for middle

class and lower income homes. Pull

yourself up by your bootstraps. But for

wealthy corporations and wealthy people,

we're constantly talking about some form

of bailout or tax policy that shields

them. And it even goes as far as the

legal structure. I believe the top 1%

are now protected by the law but not

bound by it. And the bottom 99% are

bound by the law but not protected by

it. O

>> I I believe this and that is I'm I'm

wealthy and I think with somewhere

between if my son was incarcerated

I believe that somewhere between three

and $10 million with my connections and

my capital for3 to 10 million I could

figure out a way to wiggle myself into a

crypto summit or a fundraiser at Mara

Lago and somehow get a message to the

president that I'm in for $3 million on

a Z-Wing renovation if my Oh, and by the

way, My son, my son deserves a review by

the clemency board for a pardon. I think

effectively America's for sale for rich

people. And whether it's healthcare,

whether it's getting your kid out for

for a pardon, whether it's a bailout for

your company, whether it's government contracts

contracts

uh to your company that are uh not

available to small medium-sized companies,

companies,

America's basically become

when it's capitalism on the way up, but

socialism on the way down, it's

cronyism. So I feel like we've gone full

cronyist. And what that means is eventually

eventually

this is economic history is repeats

itself in America. [clears throat] We've

always tried to exit that path. But

basically what happens is a group of

very talented very lucky people get in

the top 1% and inch by inch they

weaponize government to ensure that they

garner more and more economic power. And

then at some point the bottom 99 goes,

"The fastest way to double my or triple

my wealth would be to kill the top 1% or

to tell them they got 24 hours to pack a

suitcase and get out and nationalize

everything." That's basically the story

of Central America for the last 200

years. And we have done a good job of

trying to stay out of that by

continually redistributing income back

into the middle class. And let me use

the word redistribution.

Unless you tax people in the top 10% at

a high rate and shuffle that money back

into forward-leaning investments,

eventually that 1% will garner more and

more of the spoils. And at some point

the bottom 99 do the math and go, "Okay,

there's one guy worth more than, you

know, or 26 families are worth more than

the bottom half." At some point, the

bottom half goes, I know, let's take the

26 families [ __ ] away. So this we have

we have tried to exit this cycle of

economic history, but now it feels like

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Yeah, I try to get people to understand

that money operates according to

something akin to physics. And if you

are uh either doing things like you're

talking about regulatory capture where

you're making it once you get in, then

you're never going to fall in your face

and get bumped back out or you just let

debt run away and people don't pay

attention to what I think is the just

absolute cataclysmic effect of debt. If

I were going to put things down to one

thing that I think has had the biggest

impact, it's that uh debt obviously

forces money printing. Money printing

forces people to try to escape. So they

go into assets, asset prices skyrocket

in addition to the other things that you

were talking about.

>> Um and the only asset that people

understand intuitively is home prices.

And so once home prices become

unavailable and people can't get on the

property ladder, they can't avoid the

impact of inflation. And so you get this

the what you're describing but not quite

saying out loud is these two divergent

economies. And so you've got the people

in the top 1% maybe the top 10% that are

doing great. 2025 has been wonderful to

me as an asset holder. And then you've

got another economy that's just doing

absolutely terrible. Uh and to your

point they they do eventually go oh yeah

uh I can separate you from your head and

uh I can do whatever I want. And so

getting people to understand the reason

that this loops in history is because

humans only behave in a certain number

of ways. Money only behaves in a certain

number of ways. And so you put those

together and you get these moments that

occur over and over and over. So when I

hear you talk, I my impulse is, oh,

let's get back to a noncrony style of

capitalism. But what I see happening

among the group that most in my opinion

needs capitalism, I see a rise of

socialism. So when you look at say mom

Donnie uh and the I I don't know if you

consider that the future of the

Democratic party. I certainly do. But

when you look at that, what what does

that tell you about what's happening

right now?

>> Young people basically are saying

whatever the current system is, it's not

working. And so I'm going to embrace

different systems. And young people who

lean conservative, David from had this

statement that really struck me. He said

that if progressives won't enforce the

border, fascists will. And what I find

is young people are saying, "This isn't

working for me. And I don't want

incremental change. I want chaos and

radical disruption. And if I lean

conservative, I'm willing to take a

strong man and nationalism and start

blaming other people and conflate

masculinity with coarseness and cruelty

or leadership with coarseness and

cruelty. And then if I'm on the left, I

think that it's socialism." And quite

frankly, these words are these words are

perverted. Socialism is the the means of

production is controlled by the state.

Communism is central planning.

Capitalism is meant to say that that the

means of production are controlled by

private sector individuals.

And we all engage in a certain level of

socialism. You know, social security is

socialism. Food stamps are socialism.

It's just where on the scale you want to be.

be.

Um, so what I think young people forget

is what Margaret Thatcher said that the

problem with socialism is eventually you

run out of other people's money. You do

need incentives that motivate people to

take risks and garner and capitalism is

winners and losers. My father who was a

Scottish immigrant said something when I

was young that I remember. He said

America is a terrible place to be

stupid. What I think he was saying is

America is a terrible space to be

unfortunate and we have voted for that.

We are willing to have a lower safety

net than other countries. I would argue

the safety net is now the ground, a

cement floor in exchange for un unprecedented

unprecedented

upside. That creates a series of

incentives that have been very

productive for the US economy and

probably resulted in more growth and a

larger tax base to tax from to hopefully

raise the net. But it's the proportion

in the extreme that's gotten out of

control where now people are worth more

than the GDP of Costa Rica and the

safety net is oh your wife has lung

cancer that probably means you're going

bankrupt. The

gag reflex of young people to socialism

is understandable.

Uh it's it's ill advised. Capitalism has

brought more people out of poverty than

anything in history. It's just what you

mean by socialism. I'm for

I mean Mami says I want to raise taxes

on billionaires. I'm actually okay with

that as long as someone shows me that

we're not going to end up with less tax

revenue because billionaires will decide

this is the final straw and they'll move

to Florida or Texas. I get it. You uh

I've lived in the highest tax states in

the world or in the union, California

and New York. And the reason I decided

to live there was it was worth it. At

some point, people decide it's no longer

worth it. Now, I don't know if what he's proposing

proposing

is that final straw. And it doesn't

appear to me that anyone wants to do the

economic analysis. I'm living in London.

They passed something called the nondom

tax reform where basically if you moved

here from Hong Kong, Tony Player passed

a bunch of private property laws that

attracted wealthy people from all over

the world. So, if you were living in

Hong Kong, you got to bring your tax

status, which basically was you paid no

tax. There are a lot of people living in

London paying zero tax. Now they pay

consumption taxes, property taxes, start

businesses, etc. They passed this

non-DOM that said, "No, if if you've

been here a certain amount of time, you

now have to you're benefiting from UK

infrastructure, you have to pay the same

taxes as UK citizens." Philosophically,

that's totally on point for me. I get

it. The problem is in the last 6 months,

10,000 millionaires have left and the

Treasury is going to collect less money

this year than it did last year. Mhm.

>> So there's there's a difference between

and one of the things I don't like about

my party on the far left is they're more

concerned with being right than being

effective. So I get it philosophically

that the wealthy should pay a little

bit. I I get it. I want a more

progressive tax structure, but you know

the top 1% pay 40% of the taxes in New

York. And also it's a bit of a false

argument, Tom, because first off, he's

not going to get it through. He he would

have any tax increase has to go through

the New York state legislature.

He's not going to be able to do it. And

then he goes to rent freeze. Oh, okay.

Great. We need more. I get it. Young

people can't afford to live in the city.

Housing is out of control. Freeze the

rent. Every economic study says the same

thing. When you try and implement rent

control, you discourage construction and

development and rents go up in cost. If

you were serious about lowering costs,

you would figure out a way to raise

revenues through some sort of tax. Maybe

it's on the wealthy, maybe it's on

corporations. And you would create tax

incentive for developers to build more.

And you would have legislation getting

rid of nimiism. And you would unlock the

private sector's building is much better

at building housing than the than I'm

sorry, the private sector is much better

at building housing than the public

sector. When public sector builds

housing, it usually ends up

concentrating poverty and creating

[snorts] a a crimeridden areas. When you

encourage builders to build a lot of

housing, you end up with this is a

supply problem. It's not a demand

problem. We need more houses.

Nationally, I think a decent plan for

the Democrats would have been the one of

the things I really don't like about my

party. They're so fond. I just went to

this Master of the Universe conference

and everyone running for president was

there including the governors of

Pennsylvania and Utah who I think are

great and they just want to cosplay

Obama and talk about all this goddamn

rhetorical flourish. Like all right, at

some point are you going to get to an

actual [ __ ] idea? Here's an idea. 8

million new homes in 10 years. This is

how you're going to do it. Manufactured

homes which cost 50% less and homes on

site. Tax incentives. Anti- nimism laws

like they've done in Austin or

Minneapolis. and we're going to build 8

million new homes in 10 years. That will

materially lower the cost. Maybe

government subsidize mortgages that

bring down the interest. We are going to

try and figure out a way to reduce the

cost of a home such that the average

income household has a shot at it and

then raise minimum wage to 25 bucks an

hour as opposed to freezing rents. It

doesn't work. So anyway, I've gone off

script here. When when America isn't

working for people, they typically don't

want policy or incremental changes, the

the reality of structural change around

affordability is going to take years, if

not decades. You need antitrust. You

need more competition. You need a

massive investment in housing. You need

to ensure that there aren't three

chicken companies controlling the entire

poultry market. You need 10. You need to

break up big tech. You need minimum wage

to go to 25 bucks an hour, which would

hurt the stock prices of McDonald's and

Walmart, and it would be worth it. You

need to put more money in the pockets of

spenders, low and middle inome homes.

You need an actual progressive tax

structure, not the one that's

progressive progressive till the 99th.

And then once you make the jump to light

speed, it crashes

and essentially put more money in the

pockets of young people who spend it.

multiplier effect grows the economy and massive

massive

um programs that increase this full body

contact violence of competition where

they are forced to offer a competitive

product at a low price. Every year big

tech has increased its margins because

they're monopolies and they're able to

charge higher and higher rents. pharma,

big egg, big big chicken, big beef. All

of these industries are able to rise

their raise their my industry is totally

corrupt. We have essentially a cartel

and we do something. I'm going to go out

really off. You

>> talking about universities?

>> Universities. I'm going through this

right now. Do you have kids, Tom?

>> I do not.

>> Okay. I have a 17-year-old and

18-year-old applying to college. There's

something called early decision. And

what they do is they say if you apply

early decision here we take the

acceptance rates from 8% to 15%. So

there's incentive to go early decision

at the school of your choice and you

sign something saying if I get in all my

applications are automatically withdrawn

from every other school. Okay, fair trade.

trade.

It's so they maintain total pricing

pressure because Syracuse

finds out that they're not going to be

able to fill their class. So they go out

and they start offering financial aid to

people. Hey, hey kid, you got in. If you

pick us, we're going to give you 10, 20,

$30,000 in financial aid next year. And

then the kids who got an early decision,

who committed called and said, we want

this financial aid. And they said,

sorry, you're [ __ ] UNED, you have to

come here. So this is a means of

basically reducing the economic power of

applicants. And also, and you you'll

learn this as if you have kids, every

university happens to raise its prices

almost in near exact lock step. We're

all charging pretty much the same. How

did that happen? Well, we all

communicate with each other. And

wouldn't you know it, when Colombia goes

to 71,300, we go to 71,38.

Do you think that just happened? So it's

all a giant rigged system through

pricing, through financial aid, through

cheap debt, through artificial scarcity,

limiting supply such we can raise prices

faster than inflation such that we can

soak the middle class and transfer money

to corporations and even to my industry

to the faculty and endowments of

universities who whose alumni once they

have degrees love scarcity. Oh my god,

you rejected 90% of the applicants.

Standing ovation, which in my view is

tantamount to the head of a homeless

shelter bragging he or she turned away

nine and 10 applicants last night.

America needs to reject this

exclusionary rejectionist LVMH like

strategy that benefits the incumbents at

the cost of the entrance. But it is it

is a virus that has infected every

component of our society because the

people in charge already have assets. So

they want to see a scarcity mindset

increase the value of their assets and

then they wonder why their daughters are

obese and anxious and single at the age

of 30.

>> Uh yeah well it was a fantastic rant

that I think is really on the mark in

terms of the economics. Okay so looking

at this I think you and I draw every

word out of your mouth is a banger for

me. Uh but we draw I think different

conclusions about what you do next. So

when I hear all of that, I think, okay,

we need to shrink the size of

government. Um, as a history buff,

looking at what America did at its

founding, it was far more like if you

can make it here, you can make it

anywhere because we don't have all the

social safety nets that we have uh

today. Not by a long shot. When you look

at just how much more the government

spends now since COVID than it did in

2019, huge. And so I just go, yeah, I

get the impulse to tax and I don't I am

very much a believer in Ray Dalio's

beautiful deleveraging. So there's going

to absolutely be higher taxes. There's

going to be um wealth redistribution,

but they have to be done so specifically

to understand both the economic and the

psychological impact. That's the part

that I don't think people are talking

about. Ultimately, I think the goal

should be to reduce the size of

government for the reason that you said

when the public sector does things, they

tend to create more problems than they solve.

solve.

So, when I look at this and I see, okay,

you've got the rise of socialism over

here on the left.

>> Um, you've got all kinds of cronyism

going everywhere that's creating all of

these different problems. I don't see

that adding more government is going to

be the solve. It's how do we dissolve

some of these areas that have their

grips on things in a way that does not

benefit the middle class. Um why does

that take seem out of step with the

direction you want to go?

>> I don't think it is. I just think

there's some nuances. There's there's

then overlap where we agree and probably

where we disagree. So when you talk

about government, size of government,

there's two things. There's employment

size of government and then there's

spending. So if you look at state and

local government, I think employment has

actually flatted down over the last 30

or 40 years. So it's not like it's not

like the payroll the pay the payrolls of

state and local government has has

surged. If you look at spending, it's

gone apeshit. And both Democrats and

Republicans, the only thing that's

bipartisan is reckless spending. You

know, it's like, okay, Republicans want

sponsored by the lobbyists hired in

Washington by the private equity

industry and then they get Kristen

Cinema to basically hold up the

infrastructure bill unless they strip

that, you know, maintain that tax. So,

I'm for I think you could lower taxes

and I don't see any reason why capital

gains taxes should be lowered are more

honorable than the money that sweat

makes. I want people to work. I'm

worried about young men not feeling the

incentive to actually

work. the the notion of state that's

federal. I actually believe federal

taxes for the most part are a pretty

good deal. Uh I do believe we're

spending too much money on our seniors,

which is again the third rail. I'm a

terrible person. This is the wealthiest

generation in history. Nana and pop, if

you can't upgrade from Carnival to

Crystal Cruises, I'm okay with that. I

don't see why young people are

continuing to transfer money this much

money to old people. Do we eliminate

social security? No. But if there you

and I should not get social security. I

it just I I don't I don't see any reason

why we should get it. So go after entitlements

entitlements

uh lower taxes but enforce them. And

then with respect to states, I like

competition. I like the idea that at

some point Tom may say, "You know what?

I've had it. I'm moving to Texas and I'm

going to build my podcast studio in

Austin. And the fact that most states

have to balance their budget, they're

enforced. They there's a certain level

of fiscal responsibility enforced on

them. They can't rack up enormous deficits,

deficits,

uh, at least not directly. And they can

piece out. I left New York. Now, the

reason I left New York was cuz my kid

didn't get into preschool, but at some

point I might have left because of the

taxes. I think it's good that states

compete with one another.

>> Yeah, agreed. Uh so I think some of this

gets solved. I think you're right. I

think we should I think governments

should be forced to compete and you know

offer a good service. I come at

government from a little bit of a

different place than you because I got a

I live I grew up in California. I grew

up in Los Angeles where you are now. I

got assisted lunch. I got PEL grants. I

got into UCLA because it had a 74%

admissions rate because the government

spent a lot of money. Edmund Pat Brown

spent a ton of money of taxpayer monies

on building a lot of seats in this

amazing institution called the

University of California. So I feel a

certain gratitude and affinity and feel

like I've gotten a great deal from the

federal government. I think some states

I think California is you know I think

it's good that Texas is saying to

Californians come here you don't have to

pay any state tax because I think it

forces the governor and the people there

to take on unions take on out of control

spending. I think at some point if

enough people leave New York, they're

going to figure out a way not to spend a

billion dollars a mile. Do you we spend

seven times more per mile on subways in

New York than they spend in Paris, which

isn't known as a very efficient economy.

So there is I think competition is a is

an answer. And I think I I would like to

think that before we get to the

revolution part of the program, they

voters will get their heads out of their

asses and maybe vote for some people

that are honest with them and say,

"Folks, do we need to raise taxes or

lower government spending?" The answer

is yes. And I'm not going to give you

quick solutions here. I'm not going to

try and buy your votes. I'm going to

have to means test and raise the age or

eligibility for Social Security. I'm

going to nationalize health care, which

every the healthcare industrial complex

is going to spend billions of dollars

trying to convince you I'm a pedophile

or addicting diet diet pills to try and

make sure I don't get into Washington.

But at some point, I'd like to think the

voters are ready for an adult

conversation and say, "Okay, I am down

with figuring out a way. We can't just

pay off the deficit. We got to go back

to a smaller deficit, lower it, have a

few surplus years such that the economy

continues to grow and at some point

instead of it being 150% of our GDP, it

goes down to 70 or 80, which is

sustainable. I'd like to think at some

point the populace and voters are ready

for an adult conversation and we'll

we'll vote those leaders in. Hasn't

happened yet, but we used to vote those

people in in the ' 50s, '60s7. Bill

Clinton had a budget surplus. you know,

the voters that voted him in. I think

there's still some of those out there.

You know, a lot of Republicans had not a

lot, but a few had budget deficits uh

surpluses post World War II. Does it

have to get to a point where I mean, you

you could argue that when farmers are

lining up at food banks who 80% of whom

voted for Trump, they're probably going

to vote differently in the next

election. So, I don't know. You know,

I'd like to think that the democracy,

our democracy works pretty well. The

problem with our democracy is the pendul

like they say it's visually impossible

to see a pendulum at the exact bottom.

Like you can never actually frame it at

its exact bottom.

American politics seem incapable because

of gerrymandering to ever be at a center

point. It's either rent control and tax

the rich and UBI or it's it's cut it's

cut taxes and spend more and have

massive deficits.

And I I don't even know how you describe

the Trump administration is a lot more

socialist than what mom Donnie is

proposing. Socialism is the means of

control is controlled by the state.

golden share in US Steel because Donald

Trump's so good at bankrupting casinos

he should run a steel company. Taking an

investment in Intel, which will favor

that one chip company over others.

Deciding who should get to own Tik Tok

and doing it out to his Republican

friends. That is pure unadulterated socialism.

socialism.

So, you know, look who asked for this?

Voters asked for this.

Politicians are always afraid to say,

"Get your head out of your ass. You

voted for this." Oh, maybe you thought

you were voting for, you know, racism,

not tariffs, farmers. But this is what

you got. The Dian democracy is working.

Are you ready for an adult conversation? [snorts]

[snorts]

>> Okay. I think uh ready for the adult

conversation is a little optimistic of

you, but let us say that people are.

>> You think the answer is squarely no? Uh,

dude, I really I I have run every mental

scenario I know based on the way the

architecture of the human mind. I just

don't see it. History tells me that we

run into the wall. Uh, but nonetheless,

I do think that it's worth talking

through what that reversal would look

like. So, um, talk to me about Trump.

Give me a report card. So, people may

have thought they were voting for one

thing. What have they actually gotten? I

think many people, certainly people on

the right, are going to be surprised to

hear you say that Trump is more

socialist than mom Donnie. Um, so give

us the the litany of receipts there.

What is Trump getting wrong? Certainly.

Uh, and then if you think that he's

gotten anything right, I'll take that as well.

well.

>> Trump's instincts are often very strong.

It's just his execution. I think he

recognized before other people the uh

asymmetric trade relationship with

China. I think you got to give him

credit for that. I thought I think they

were taking advantage of us, stealing

our IP and then selling back selling it

back to us less expensive and gutting

our manufacturing sector. I think he saw

that. Uh I think that he saw immigration as

a big problem. You know, the vice

president, her big thing was supposed to

be enforcing the border. She didn't do a

great job. when a quarter of a million

people can come over in December of 23

by just raising their hand and saying asylum,

asylum,

>> you know, they had to say asylum and

then boom, they were in, that's a

problem. So, I think he recognized

immigration. I think his messaging

around affordability was the right

message. Um, I would argue that the

level of corruption we have seen under

the Trump administration is

unprecedented in history in the West.

you know, cramming launching a crypto

coin, a memecoin the Friday before his

inauguration under the cover of dark

such that someone could put in 10

million bucks into that thing and then

say, "Please stop shipping arms to

Ukraine and we would never know that

that happened." I think overrunning

co-equal branches of government, just

basically ignoring Congress.

Um, you know, I could go sending in a

mass secret police to terrorize cities

and people who've been here for 20 or 30

years when he could just show up with a

clipboard and say, "Hi, car wash. You

have social security filings for these

people. I need proof of their

documentation or I'm going to find you

$10,000 a day."

We have turned a blind eye to the

immigration problem for 40 years.

Because the sad truth of or the

uncomfortable truth about immigration is

that people say it's the secret sauce of

America. Okay, that's nice. That's a

Hallmark commercial and part of that is

true. But the most profitable part of

immigration is illegal immigration

because they come across the border when

our crops are coming due or grandma

needs our ass wiped or we want cheap

food at a restaurant and then when the

jobs dry up, they don't go on

unemployment. They don't collect social

security. They melt back to their

countries. They usually don't stick

around longer to cause to they they pay

social security taxes, but they usually

don't get them. They commit crimes at a

lower rate than nativeborn citizens.

They don't call 911 or use the police.

So, we have turned a blind eye to

illegal immigration for 40 years on

purpose. Has it gotten out of control?

Yes. Has it created real structural

problems in the US? Yes. Should we have

borders? Yes. He was good at leveraging

that and people's frustration,

especially in border states. And also a

lot of young struggling men like to

blame women for their romantic problems

and immigrants for their economic

problems. He tapped into that. He flew

right into the manosphere. Genius

political strategy focusing on

affordability, the asymmetric trade

relationship with China. The implementation,

implementation,

it's as if he went to Chad GPT and said,

"I want to reduce the prosperity of

America elegantly and consistently." And

it would come back and say, "I know tariffs.

tariffs.

I know scare the best and brightest PhD

students from coming to the US. I know

reduce the greatest ROI investment in

history, investing money through our

great academic institutions that produce

medical and technological breakthroughs.

I know make people feel bad about

America by showing these horrific videos

of people who are so ashamed of what

they're doing. It's so their activity is

so depraved and vile they have to wear

masks. And people say, "Well, they could

be docks." judges put mob bosses in

prisons. They don't wear masks.

So, some of his political instincts, I

think, are correct. I think he's a great campaigner.

campaigner.

I would argue that the economic policies

of America right now, putting drunks in

charge of the Department of Defense,

putting conspiracy theorists who believe

that vaccines cause autism in charge of

our health and human services. I mean, I

feel like this is a literally a clown

car running the nation right now. It's a

corrupt crime family. All right. And the

even worse news is Michael is running

the grift and Fredo is running the

government. I wish they brought half the

competence to their grift that they're

bringing to the government, trolling

around the Gulf and and not going to the

democracies, Turkey and Israel, because

they know they can't give you a plane or

a golf course or a building. Only going

to the nations that are comfortable

saying, "Hey, take this $400 million

plane." Wink wink. Oh, and then, oh,

what do you know? You're going to what?

You're going to give us Article 5 NATO

protection for free? We basically just

give Qatar NATO protection, a security

guarantee. Oh, and he accepted a $400

million plane a few months before. I

mean, that's just not that erodess the

very fabric of what it means to be

American. And it hurts us. It hurts our

reputation around the world. It makes us

much weaker. Let's start bombing fishing

boats that would take 20 stops to refuel

and get to Miami in a nation where

there's no evidence there is no fentanyl

while we let Ukraine fall.

I mean the the poor decisionmaking here,

the incompetence and the corruption are

noxious. They're stifling.

The optimism is that we have been in

worse places than this before. Americans

are narcissists and we always tend to

think this is the worst thing ever. We

were interning Japanese families in

camps because they were Japanese. Slave

owners used to be the most powerful

political force in America. We opened

fire on veterans marching in front of

the White House after the Great

Depression protesting economic

conditions. We have been in worse places

before and America has come back

stronger. And I believe we are going to

come back stronger here. So yeah, I do

think Trump gets some stuff right. I

think he has good instincts around

certain things. I think he's an amazing

campaigner. He is a stain on the

American experience.

>> Now, do you think this is a great man

theory of history where he just brought

these things randomly got elected or is

he a symptom of something that the

populace is going through?

>> Well, okay. So, I want to acknowledge

I'm a hammer and everything I see is a

nail. I think the reason we elected an

insurrectionist, I focus a lot on the

struggles of young men. And young men

are doing worse than are fallen further

faster than any cohort in American

history. Four times as likely to kill

themselves, three times as likely to be

homeless and addicted.

And what happened was he recognized this

and he flew right into the manosphere.

As Vice President Harris is going on

MSNBC and CNN, he went on Rogan, Andrew

Schultz, TheoN,

Crypto, World Wrestling Federation,

Rockets. He went right into his campaign

riaked of testosterone because

because

if you look at the three groups that

pivoted hardest from blue to red 2020 to

2024 in order, one was Latinos. That

says nothing. We should stop tracking

them as a group. Mexican-Americans in

Southern California have much different

priorities than Cubanameans in Florida.

It's stupid to make any reductive

generalizations about the Latino

community. Number two, hardest pivot

people under the age of 30. They're not

doing well. When you're not doing well,

you don't want to parse nuance. You just

want different, even if it means chaos.

And then the most interesting thing is

the third group that pivoted hardest was

45 to 64 year old women. And my thesis,

Tom, is that's their mothers. And that

is if your son is in the basement

playing video games and vaping, you

don't give a [ __ ] about territorial

sovereignty in Ukraine or transgender

rights. You just want change. So, and

also what we don't like to admit is

there are a lot of women in America who

will vote for who they perceive as being

in the best interest of their husbands

and sons. We talk about the patriarchy,

men versus women. Women's rights were

supposed to be the defining issue of

this election. It did not show up. 54%

of white women voted for Trump. So my

sense is if we want to save off, if we

want things to be better in America, if

I were to do anything, it would be

economic programs that lift young people

up. And just as the economic bludgeoning

of young people in America has

disproportionately hurt young men who

are disproportionately evaluated on

their economic viability, lifting young

people up economically will have a

disproportionately positive effect on

young men. I get it. I just wrote a book

called Notes on Being a Man. I get

attacked by all these therapists. By the

way, 80% of therapists are women. It's

always work on yourself. Therapy is the

answer for everything. And I want to be

clear, if you struggle with mental

illness or have mental illness in your

family or you can afford it, have at it.

I I believe it's hugely beneficial. But

this dogma online, if if therapy solves

all problems, you know what would be the

best therapy in America? 8 million homes

in 10 years.

$25 an hour minimum wage, universal

child care, eliminate 40% of the medical

debt on households. You know what makes

you mentally [ __ ] stressed out? When

you can't afford your 16-year-old's root

canal. When you don't make enough money

to pay your rent. So, while I'm a big

fan of blood pressure medication and

statins and diabetes medication, here's

an idea. Get everyone working out first and see if we can avoid that.

and see if we can avoid that. So I think the mental health in America

So I think the mental health in America I think the the stress young people feel

I think the the stress young people feel feel the anxiety they feel is nothing

feel the anxiety they feel is nothing no amount of mental health or therapy is

no amount of mental health or therapy is going to replace economic procarity

going to replace economic procarity and

and mental I want to detonate a nuclear bomb

mental I want to detonate a nuclear bomb of mental of therapy called minimum

of mental of therapy called minimum massive increase in minimum wage tax

massive increase in minimum wage tax holiday for people under the age of 30

holiday for people under the age of 30 massive explosion in new home

massive explosion in new home construction, more third places, more

construction, more third places, more mating opportunities for people to meet,

mating opportunities for people to meet, uh, universal child care, dignity

uh, universal child care, dignity around, lower the cost of education

around, lower the cost of education through competition, and then the three

through competition, and then the three per 10,000 people who are actually

per 10,000 people who are actually therapists

therapists won't need to go on TikTok and say that

won't need to go on TikTok and say that therapy is the only solve for our

therapy is the only solve for our issues. I'm a little triggered by

issues. I'm a little triggered by therapists right now, as you can see. I

therapists right now, as you can see. I see that. I I like it to be honest. I

see that. I I like it to be honest. I think that there's a lot of truth in

think that there's a lot of truth in that. Um I want to get explicit though

that. Um I want to get explicit though about why exactly you consider those

about why exactly you consider those things therapy especially for young men.

things therapy especially for young men. I feel like and this is one of the

I feel like and this is one of the questions I wanted to ask you. I feel

questions I wanted to ask you. I feel like you're dancing around there sort of

like you're dancing around there sort of an archetypal beneficial male path. not

an archetypal beneficial male path. not the only I I do not think you think that

the only I I do not think you think that and I'm not certainly not trying to put

and I'm not certainly not trying to put those words in your mouth, but that

those words in your mouth, but that there is an archetypal path that nah,

there is an archetypal path that nah, I've never met the kid, never going to

I've never met the kid, never going to meet the kid, don't know anything about

meet the kid, don't know anything about him, but if he were to follow this kind

him, but if he were to follow this kind of path, uh, we might be in better

of path, uh, we might be in better shape. Um, one, is that accurate? And

shape. Um, one, is that accurate? And two, if so, what is that archetypal

two, if so, what is that archetypal path?

path? >> Yeah. Look, so I want to be clear, I'm

>> Yeah. Look, so I want to be clear, I'm guilty of projecting what's worked for

guilty of projecting what's worked for me. I got economically secure. I worked

me. I got economically secure. I worked really hard. But I got the skills, the

really hard. But I got the skills, the certification, took the risks. I also

certification, took the risks. I also had unfair advantage being born a white

had unfair advantage being born a white heterosexual male in the 60s.

heterosexual male in the 60s. And then I found I've had great

And then I found I've had great relationships, great friends. So I feel

relationships, great friends. So I feel like money and relationships are kind of

like money and relationships are kind of the solve. And I think some legitimate

the solve. And I think some legitimate feedback is Scott, winning capitalism

feedback is Scott, winning capitalism and having a romantic partner sometimes

and having a romantic partner sometimes isn't the end all beall for everybody.

isn't the end all beall for everybody. That some people do there's different

That some people do there's different paths for different people. I get it. So

paths for different people. I get it. So I, you know, I understand that and also

I, you know, I understand that and also we need to figure out a way to recognize

we need to figure out a way to recognize more of the emotional labor that women

more of the emotional labor that women have been expected to give around

have been expected to give around caregiving and start to recognize that a

caregiving and start to recognize that a form of masculinity and surplus values

form of masculinity and surplus values when men do that. So I think that

when men do that. So I think that society needs some

society needs some what I'll call nuance and calibration

what I'll call nuance and calibration and manicuring.

and manicuring. And now let's talk about the world we

And now let's talk about the world we live in. 75% of women say economic

live in. 75% of women say economic viability is important in a mate. Only

viability is important in a mate. Only 25% of women. The likelihood of divorce

25% of women. The likelihood of divorce does not increase when a woman gets

does not increase when a woman gets fired or her income goes down. When the

fired or her income goes down. When the female in the relationship is now earns

female in the relationship is now earns more man money than the man, the

more man money than the man, the likelihood of divorce doubles and the

likelihood of divorce doubles and the use of of of erectile dysfunction drugs

use of of of erectile dysfunction drugs triples. Beyonce could work at

triples. Beyonce could work at McDonald's and marry Jay-Z. The opposite

McDonald's and marry Jay-Z. The opposite is not true. And I don't care how many

is not true. And I don't care how many subscriptions to the Atlantic or the New

subscriptions to the Atlantic or the New York Times you have. That's not going to

York Times you have. That's not going to change in a few years. And I get all I

change in a few years. And I get all I I'll give you an example that triggers a

I'll give you an example that triggers a lot of people. I tell my sons when

lot of people. I tell my sons when you're in the company of a woman, you

you're in the company of a woman, you pay for everything. What? What?

pay for everything. What? What? You you you that's the patriarchy. You

You you you that's the patriarchy. You do not own women. You do not you should

do not own women. You do not you should not have expectations from them. They

not have expectations from them. They are not your sexual. Women aren't

are not your sexual. Women aren't responsible for servicing men. Men's

responsible for servicing men. Men's problems aren't women's fault. I Women

problems aren't women's fault. I Women entering the workforce probably won

entering the workforce probably won World War II for us. It's the only

World War II for us. It's the only reason we're not a second rate power to

reason we're not a second rate power to China. Women making a lot of money is

China. Women making a lot of money is wonderful. We should do nothing to get

wonderful. We should do nothing to get in the way of that. I had a single

in the way of that. I had a single immigrant mother who lived and died as

immigrant mother who lived and died as secretary. It did not work out for her

secretary. It did not work out for her with my father, other men.

with my father, other men. But the biggest strain in our life was

But the biggest strain in our life was she didn't have a lot of economic

she didn't have a lot of economic opportunity. If you were a woman without

opportunity. If you were a woman without a college degree back in the 70s, you

a college degree back in the 70s, you could be either a travel agent or a real

could be either a travel agent or a real estate broker. You couldn't even be or

estate broker. You couldn't even be or secretary. You couldn't even be a

secretary. You couldn't even be a teacher. You had to have a a college

teacher. You had to have a a college degree. That was the biggest strain in

degree. That was the biggest strain in our life. So, I'm all for the economic

our life. So, I'm all for the economic liberation of women. A lot of women are

liberation of women. A lot of women are doing the math. Threearters of divorce

doing the math. Threearters of divorce filings from women because they wake up

filings from women because they wake up and go, "Okay, I'm ascending

and go, "Okay, I'm ascending economically." And boss, you're

economically." And boss, you're flatlining around domestic and emotional

flatlining around domestic and emotional logistical contribution in the home. I'm

logistical contribution in the home. I'm out. I get it. I get it. And I put a lot

out. I get it. I get it. And I put a lot of pressure on young men who have more

of pressure on young men who have more agency than they think to raise their

agency than they think to raise their game. And then pressure on people our

game. And then pressure on people our age to join big brothers. Three times as

age to join big brothers. Three times as many women joining big sisters as big

many women joining big sisters as big brothers. Men our age need to step step

brothers. Men our age need to step step step up. We need more economic programs

step up. We need more economic programs that put money in people's pockets. I

that put money in people's pockets. I genuinely believe that young people

genuinely believe that young people having more economic opportunity, more

having more economic opportunity, more third places to meet and demonstrate

third places to meet and demonstrate excellence to each other and establish

excellence to each other and establish more friendships, more uh romantic

more friendships, more uh romantic relationships and then policies that

relationships and then policies that regulate big tech such that they don't

regulate big tech such that they don't have an economic incentive to sequester

have an economic incentive to sequester young men from their relationships from

young men from their relationships from work, from school with their more dopah

work, from school with their more dopah hungry, immature brains would solve a

hungry, immature brains would solve a lot of our problems. So, are there

lot of our problems. So, are there different ways to demonstrate

different ways to demonstrate masculinity and be happy? Should you be

masculinity and be happy? Should you be more supportive of your partner who

more supportive of your partner who happens to be better at that money thing

happens to be better at that money thing than you? Absolutely. In the in the

than you? Absolutely. In the in the short and medium run before we become a

short and medium run before we become a more evolved species, I'm here for it.

more evolved species, I'm here for it. I'm here for the world where the man is

I'm here for the world where the man is celebrating in those relationships where

celebrating in those relationships where the man wants to stay home. Until then,

the man wants to stay home. Until then, we have to acknowledge the reality and

we have to acknowledge the reality and that is men are disproportionately

that is men are disproportionately evaluated based on their economic

evaluated based on their economic strength, women on their aesthetics. And

strength, women on their aesthetics. And an economically unviable man feels

an economically unviable man feels really bad about himself and generally

really bad about himself and generally speaking has very little currency in the

speaking has very little currency in the mating market. So where I start is how

mating market. So where I start is how do we create structural changes that

do we create structural changes that maintain the momentum of women? Maintain

maintain the momentum of women? Maintain it. I don't buy this Charlie Kirk [ __ ]

it. I don't buy this Charlie Kirk [ __ ] of of women were sold a bag of goods and

of of women were sold a bag of goods and they were told if they just worked

they were told if they just worked really hard and they end up being

really hard and they end up being partners in law firms and then they're

partners in law firms and then they're miserable and childless. So what's the

miserable and childless. So what's the answer? Have them be broken alone? Of

answer? Have them be broken alone? Of course they should continue to kill it.

course they should continue to kill it. That's great. Good for them. But at the

That's great. Good for them. But at the same time, let's figure out ways that

same time, let's figure out ways that young men, one in seven young men aren't

young men, one in seven young men aren't neats, neither in employment, education,

neats, neither in employment, education, or training. That one in three of them

or training. That one in three of them aren't living at home under the age of

aren't living at home under the age of 25. that one in five of them aren't

25. that one in five of them aren't living at home under the age of 30. What

living at home under the age of 30. What are the programs that do that? Male

are the programs that do that? Male affirmative action. No, I don't want to

affirmative action. No, I don't want to go there. Programs that lift all young

go there. Programs that lift all young people up. Best thing for men, universal

people up. Best thing for men, universal child care that takes an economic strain

child care that takes an economic strain off of young families. More college

off of young families. More college freshman seats such that we can get more

freshman seats such that we can get more gay kids, more Republican white kids,

gay kids, more Republican white kids, more men, more women in college, which

more men, more women in college, which still is a fantastic upward lubricant.

still is a fantastic upward lubricant. $25 an hour minimum wage. give people

$25 an hour minimum wage. give people incentive to work and that would not

incentive to work and that would not hurt us. If productivity, if minimum

hurt us. If productivity, if minimum wage kept pace with productivity and

wage kept pace with productivity and inflation, it'd be 23 bucks. Let's go

inflation, it'd be 23 bucks. Let's go crazy and raise it to 25. Let's more

crazy and raise it to 25. Let's more housing. The archetype of of a man, I

housing. The archetype of of a man, I get it. Maybe what works for me doesn't

get it. Maybe what works for me doesn't work for young people, but

work for young people, but we don't want to recognize the world we

we don't want to recognize the world we live in. Um, marriages become the new

live in. Um, marriages become the new luxury item. One in four men in the

luxury item. One in four men in the lower quintile of income earning

lower quintile of income earning households get married. Three in four

households get married. Three in four men in the upper quintile get married.

men in the upper quintile get married. And well, marriage isn't the answer.

And well, marriage isn't the answer. Well, it's a pretty good answer for men.

Well, it's a pretty good answer for men. Men live four to seven years longer in a

Men live four to seven years longer in a relationship. Women live longer, 2 to

relationship. Women live longer, 2 to four years. But what it ends up is that

four years. But what it ends up is that men benefit more from relationships than

men benefit more from relationships than women. Which isn't to say women owe men

women. Which isn't to say women owe men anything. It's to say that men do really

anything. It's to say that men do really well in relationships. And there are a

well in relationships. And there are a lot of women out there that would like

lot of women out there that would like more economically and emotionally viable

more economically and emotionally viable men. So, let's lift let's lift up young

men. So, let's lift let's lift up young people. Let's let's figure out a way.

people. Let's let's figure out a way. Are you married?

Are you married? >> I am. Yeah.

>> I am. Yeah. >> Okay. Do you enjoy being married?

>> Okay. Do you enjoy being married? >> Aggressively.

>> Aggressively. I I look I didn't want to get married. I

I I look I didn't want to get married. I didn't want to have kids. It has given

didn't want to have kids. It has given me purpose and meaning in my life which

me purpose and meaning in my life which I did not have. So, I am projecting it

I did not have. So, I am projecting it on other people. And by the way, my

on other people. And by the way, my first marriage didn't work out. 84% of

first marriage didn't work out. 84% of people, all this, all these Tik Toks

people, all this, all these Tik Toks about marriage is a failed technology.

about marriage is a failed technology. Well, then why do 84% of people who did

Well, then why do 84% of people who did it once and it didn't work out get

it once and it didn't work out get remarried within 5 years? So you you I I

remarried within 5 years? So you you I I anyone listening to your podcast, Dom,

anyone listening to your podcast, Dom, is not going to be surprised by this. I

is not going to be surprised by this. I struggle with depression and anger. So I

struggle with depression and anger. So I decided I'm going to write a book on

decided I'm going to write a book on happiness. I wrote a book called The

happiness. I wrote a book called The Algebra of Happiness. I have read I

Algebra of Happiness. I have read I think every peer-reviewed research study

think every peer-reviewed research study on happiness. It all comes down to the

on happiness. It all comes down to the basic things. Number two, a basic level

basic things. Number two, a basic level of economic sustainability. You don't

of economic sustainability. You don't have to be rich. You just have to be

have to be rich. You just have to be able to have some level of healthcare

able to have some level of healthcare and education. But the number one number

and education. But the number one number one source of happiness is the number of

one source of happiness is the number of deep and meaningful relationships you

deep and meaningful relationships you have. And unfortunately for a man, his

have. And unfortunately for a man, his relationship with himself and his

relationship with himself and his ability to have a primary relationship

ability to have a primary relationship with a romantic partner is unfairly

with a romantic partner is unfairly and absolutely inextricably linked to

and absolutely inextricably linked to his economic viability. And until our

his economic viability. And until our species changes,

species changes, that's not going to change. So let's at

that's not going to change. So let's at least have an honest conversation around

least have an honest conversation around how we level up the mental health, the

how we level up the mental health, the prosperity, and the purpose of our young

prosperity, and the purpose of our young people. Should it come at the cost of

people. Should it come at the cost of women? 100%

women? 100% no. Are women responsible for fixing

no. Are women responsible for fixing this? No. Are they responsible for this

this? No. Are they responsible for this problem? No. First and foremost, young

problem? No. First and foremost, young men need to level up. I hate the term

men need to level up. I hate the term incel. When I coach young men and he

incel. When I coach young men and he describes himself as an incel, I'm like,

describes himself as an incel, I'm like, "No, I met you. You're not Brad Pitt,

"No, I met you. You're not Brad Pitt, but you're not badl looking. You're

but you're not badl looking. You're you're you're not disabled. You're e

you're you're not disabled. You're e you're you you have you're physically

you're you you have you're physically fine. You're a little [ __ ] up in the

fine. You're a little [ __ ] up in the head, but you're you wouldn't you

head, but you're you wouldn't you wouldn't be described as clinically

wouldn't be described as clinically depressed. You are a vill. You are

depressed. You are a vill. You are voluntarily celibate, right? I wanted a

voluntarily celibate, right? I wanted a girlfriend desperately when I was in

girlfriend desperately when I was in high school. I wanted to have sex

high school. I wanted to have sex desperately. I could not find anyone to

desperately. I could not find anyone to do that with me. Uh so quote unquote, it

do that with me. Uh so quote unquote, it was an incel. I worked on myself. I

was an incel. I worked on myself. I worked out. I tried to develop

worked out. I tried to develop excellence. I went to college. I

excellence. I went to college. I developed a sense of resilience. I

developed a sense of resilience. I started talking to women and I entered

started talking to women and I entered into a series of skills such that I

into a series of skills such that I could develop the most important things

could develop the most important things that have given me purpose and meaning

that have given me purpose and meaning in my life. Friends, colleagues at work

in my life. Friends, colleagues at work and uh a wonderful mate I get to raise

and uh a wonderful mate I get to raise these wonderful kids with. I want to

these wonderful kids with. I want to create the infrastructure such that more

create the infrastructure such that more and more young people have access to

and more young people have access to that. And if they decide they don't want

that. And if they decide they don't want it, have at it. Watch Netflix all day,

it, have at it. Watch Netflix all day, do your own thing, go to Sanrope, be

do your own thing, go to Sanrope, be alone. But 60% of 30-year-olds used to

alone. But 60% of 30-year-olds used to have a child in the house. Now it's 27%.

have a child in the house. Now it's 27%. Is that because they've all discovered

Is that because they've all discovered that ch children suck and they don't

that ch children suck and they don't want children? No. It's because they're

want children? No. It's because they're having trouble finding a viable mate and

having trouble finding a viable mate and they have less money. So I want to go to

they have less money. So I want to go to the world where men are celebrated on

the world where men are celebrated on their character and their per and their

their character and their per and their self worth. Call me when we get there.

self worth. Call me when we get there. >> Yeah. Hopefully uh we'll be getting back

>> Yeah. Hopefully uh we'll be getting back to that one very fast. I I have maybe um

to that one very fast. I I have maybe um I I can feel your scar tissue as you

I I can feel your scar tissue as you talk about this. I can tell people have

talk about this. I can tell people have come after you. This is one of the

come after you. This is one of the things I think you you deliver such a

things I think you you deliver such a potent message. Um you said at the end

potent message. Um you said at the end what I think is the archetypal run. And

what I think is the archetypal run. And I am very aggressive in my presentation

I am very aggressive in my presentation of this. Uh and whatever people want to

of this. Uh and whatever people want to say, I honestly don't care. And that is

say, I honestly don't care. And that is because I think there's an evolutionary

because I think there's an evolutionary um setup that has created a typical

um setup that has created a typical speedun of life for both men and women

speedun of life for both men and women to be quite frank. But um the things you

to be quite frank. But um the things you talked about um okay I want to get laid

talked about um okay I want to get laid really badly. I'm not able to do that.

really badly. I'm not able to do that. So I start working out. I get

So I start working out. I get economically viable. Whatever that

economically viable. Whatever that takes. I start developing excellence. I

takes. I start developing excellence. I think that part of what's breaking down

think that part of what's breaking down right now is women give men a reason to

right now is women give men a reason to be better. And forgive me uh if this is

be better. And forgive me uh if this is uh more than you want to hear, but when

uh more than you want to hear, but when I think about what sexual receptivity

I think about what sexual receptivity is, even just the physical uh position

is, even just the physical uh position of vulnerability a woman puts her in to

of vulnerability a woman puts her in to receive uh that is crazy and is

receive uh that is crazy and is something that I think historically men

something that I think historically men have had to rise to a certain level to

have had to rise to a certain level to get a woman to be willing to take that

get a woman to be willing to take that risk. And because of that, the pursuit

risk. And because of that, the pursuit of a woman has created in men a drive to

of a woman has created in men a drive to get better, be better, do better. And

get better, be better, do better. And then historically, I think men and women

then historically, I think men and women got together much younger. And women

got together much younger. And women were likely to influence the man because

were likely to influence the man because they were like you. I very much want to

they were like you. I very much want to see women completely unshackled and live

see women completely unshackled and live whatever life they want economically or

whatever life they want economically or otherwise.

otherwise. But historically, they couldn't. And so

But historically, they couldn't. And so there was a um being in a relationship

there was a um being in a relationship was very protective. And so they would

was very protective. And so they would be young, find somebody with potential,

be young, find somebody with potential, get in a relationship with that person

get in a relationship with that person with potential and help them become a

with potential and help them become a better version of themselves. And like

better version of themselves. And like you, I certainly project what my life

you, I certainly project what my life has been. But I've said many times, so

has been. But I've said many times, so I've been married now for 23 years with

I've been married now for 23 years with my wife for 25. And I was dead broke

my wife for 25. And I was dead broke when I met my wife. And just cannot

when I met my wife. And just cannot imagine. I don't even want to know who I

imagine. I don't even want to know who I would have become had I not met her. And

would have become had I not met her. And she has helped me through incentivizing

she has helped me through incentivizing me to want to be better and then also

me to want to be better and then also just being a very bright uh person that

just being a very bright uh person that could see paths that I might otherwise

could see paths that I might otherwise miss and encourage me to go down those

miss and encourage me to go down those paths and that has been transformative

paths and that has been transformative in my life. um obviously has worked out

in my life. um obviously has worked out incredibly well and I got married when I

incredibly well and I got married when I was in my mid20s so by today's standards

was in my mid20s so by today's standards ridiculously young

ridiculously young >> and I look at that and I go okay if I

>> and I look at that and I go okay if I were you asked me to advise a young man

were you asked me to advise a young man I don't get to meet him I don't get to

I don't get to meet him I don't get to ask him any questions I would say uh

ask him any questions I would say uh work on yourself find excellence um

work on yourself find excellence um realize what I call the only belief that

realize what I call the only belief that matters if you put time and attention

matters if you put time and attention into getting better at something you

into getting better at something you will get better at it so go get good at

will get better at it so go get good at something that matters

something that matters and develop the self-confidence you need

and develop the self-confidence you need to attract a woman and then get with a

to attract a woman and then get with a woman that you feel you can help elevate

woman that you feel you can help elevate her and she believes she can help

her and she believes she can help elevate you and then together you guys

elevate you and then together you guys will approach life as partners whatever

will approach life as partners whatever path that takes you down. If you want to

path that takes you down. If you want to be the greatest entrepreneur my wife has

be the greatest entrepreneur my wife has been the biggest contributor to that

been the biggest contributor to that it's been incredible. if you want to be

it's been incredible. if you want to be a parent obviously. So

a parent obviously. So that idea has become very it's fallen

that idea has become very it's fallen completely out of favor. Taking an

completely out of favor. Taking an evolutionary look at all of this and

evolutionary look at all of this and understanding why we are where we are

understanding why we are where we are tends to make um people very

tends to make um people very uncomfortable for reasons that I can

uncomfortable for reasons that I can articulate but I think are moronic. And

articulate but I think are moronic. And so um until people get in line with the

so um until people get in line with the fact that they are having a biological

fact that they are having a biological experience, there is a reason men and

experience, there is a reason men and women have the dynamic that they have.

women have the dynamic that they have. you have articulated very well what men

you have articulated very well what men are prized for, what women are prized

are prized for, what women are prized for. So coming into all of this

for. So coming into all of this understanding that even if it's slightly

understanding that even if it's slightly different now for [snorts] hundreds of

different now for [snorts] hundreds of thousands of years, depending on how far

thousands of years, depending on how far back you want to track humans longer, um

back you want to track humans longer, um we've had evolutionary pressures to make

we've had evolutionary pressures to make us the way that we are and we're

us the way that we are and we're suddenly because of modern technology

suddenly because of modern technology just completely decoupled from that.

just completely decoupled from that. >> Yeah, I thought that was well said. And

>> Yeah, I thought that was well said. And so going back to what you said about

so going back to what you said about when I I didn't men I advised my sons to

when I I didn't men I advised my sons to pay when they're out with women and like

pay when they're out with women and like dad that's so boomer and I said look

dad that's so boomer and I said look every m every mammal has a courtship

every m every mammal has a courtship process and this is a way that you try

process and this is a way that you try to demonstrate commitment interest and

to demonstrate commitment interest and valor and the reality is on a more

valor and the reality is on a more logistical level the downside of sex and

logistical level the downside of sex and you reference this is much greater for

you reference this is much greater for women than it is for men. In addition,

women than it is for men. In addition, men benefit more from relationships than

men benefit more from relationships than women. A woman's fertility window is

women. A woman's fertility window is much shorter than yours, meaning her

much shorter than yours, meaning her time, quite frankly, is more valuable

time, quite frankly, is more valuable than yours. And one way you demonstrate

than yours. And one way you demonstrate that courtship, that valor, that

that courtship, that valor, that commitment, and recognition of the

commitment, and recognition of the asymmetry, and the benefits of

asymmetry, and the benefits of relationships and sex to men is an easy

relationships and sex to men is an easy way to say

way to say of service, not expectation,

of service, not expectation, not control, but I'm of service. I'm

not control, but I'm of service. I'm really I appreciate your time. I'm here.

really I appreciate your time. I'm here. I'm demonstrating some excellence and

I'm demonstrating some excellence and some commitment to the relationship. And

some commitment to the relationship. And one easy way to do that is to pay. And

one easy way to do that is to pay. And it's so funny. I've been on so many

it's so funny. I've been on so many podcasts talking about my book and I get

podcasts talking about my book and I get a lot of push back from men about this

a lot of push back from men about this that that's the ar you know that's

that that's the ar you know that's Boomer and and then I say to them and

Boomer and and then I say to them and I'll ask you this question. Who paid

I'll ask you this question. Who paid when you were first going out with your

when you were first going out with your wife? And it's always the same thing. I

wife? And it's always the same thing. I did.

did. And it's like okay. And what I told my

And it's like okay. And what I told my son, he's so woke I like to upset him. I

son, he's so woke I like to upset him. I say, "Just just keep in mind, look, if

say, "Just just keep in mind, look, if you want to split the check, fine. But

you want to split the check, fine. But keep in mind, anyone you ever split the

keep in mind, anyone you ever split the check with is never going to kiss you."

check with is never going to kiss you." And I stand by that. And look, I

And I stand by that. And look, I different strokes, different folks. If a

different strokes, different folks. If a woman asks you out, she wants to pay,

woman asks you out, she wants to pay, great. I I get it. This isn't 100%. But

great. I I get it. This isn't 100%. But I still believe that there are certain

I still believe that there are certain masculine

masculine masculine energy and feminine energy is

masculine energy and feminine energy is the greatest alliance in history. And I

the greatest alliance in history. And I have 7 and a half billion points of

have 7 and a half billion points of light for that. And appreciating

light for that. And appreciating femininity and appreciating masculinity

femininity and appreciating masculinity is a wonderful thing. And and recogns

is a wonderful thing. And and recogns away from the 5% who are non-binary. You

away from the 5% who are non-binary. You know, I get it. Uh, but I I like the

know, I get it. Uh, but I I like the idea of trying to restore a code for

idea of trying to restore a code for young men that says lean into your

young men that says lean into your masculine attributes. Want to be a

masculine attributes. Want to be a protector, want to be a provider, want

protector, want to be a provider, want to be a procreator as long as it's

to be a procreator as long as it's channeled in healthy ways. uh uh but

channeled in healthy ways. uh uh but yeah I think this is uh I I'd like to

yeah I think this is uh I I'd like to think it's a code for young men who are

think it's a code for young men who are really struggling right now who have an

really struggling right now who have an absence of sort of a a code and I always

absence of sort of a a code and I always come back to the same thing and that is

come back to the same thing and that is who wants what I have found is that the

who wants what I have found is that the group that wants more economically and

group that wants more economically and emotionally viable men is women and that

emotionally viable men is women and that there's some consumer dissonance between

there's some consumer dissonance between what we try to articulate and what we

what we try to articulate and what we think is the right virtue and then how

think is the right virtue and then how we actually behave and what we respond

we actually behave and what we respond to. And that doesn't mean we can't

to. And that doesn't mean we can't evolve and change, but at the same time,

evolve and change, but at the same time, how do we help young people find the

how do we help young people find the most meaningful things for happiness?

most meaningful things for happiness? And that is relationships, economic

And that is relationships, economic viability, relationships, a romantic

viability, relationships, a romantic partner, not necessarily in that order.

partner, not necessarily in that order. And I find a lot of this a lot of the

And I find a lot of this a lot of the current

dogma um dialogue pays absolutely no doesn't even

dialogue pays absolutely no doesn't even nod to the reality of what young people

nod to the reality of what young people are facing out there and how they

are facing out there and how they actually discern and sort through mating

actually discern and sort through mating or not.

or not. >> No, I agree very much. Um what do you

>> No, I agree very much. Um what do you take away from the correlation? don't

take away from the correlation? don't know that it's caused, but the

know that it's caused, but the correlation that the more a nation

correlation that the more a nation educates their women, the lower the

educates their women, the lower the birth rate,

birth rate, >> it's a real issue. And I and even when

>> it's a real issue. And I and even when you even when you look like a counter to

you even when you look like a counter to my argument is even when you look at

my argument is even when you look at economic incentives around having more

economic incentives around having more kids, often times they don't work.

kids, often times they don't work. >> And I don't think I don't think you can

>> And I don't think I don't think you can tell people to have more kids if they

tell people to have more kids if they don't want them. And also, I think a lot

don't want them. And also, I think a lot of people who don't have kids are happy.

of people who don't have kids are happy. And I think that's their right. Uh that

And I think that's their right. Uh that to me is where if you're going to have a

to me is where if you're going to have a pragmatic policy, you talk about

pragmatic policy, you talk about immigration

immigration and that is all right. If we can't if

and that is all right. If we can't if young if young people are deciding not

young if young people are deciding not to have kids because they're more

to have kids because they're more educated and they want more money for

educated and they want more money for themselves and they want more freedom,

themselves and they want more freedom, you know, you don't want to get in the

you know, you don't want to get in the way of that. Like in Korea supposedly, I

way of that. Like in Korea supposedly, I think one out of 27 people is gonna have

think one out of 27 people is gonna have a a grandkid.

a a grandkid. >> Whoa.

>> Whoa. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> That's Wow. I knew it was bad, but

>> That's Wow. I knew it was bad, but hearing it like that, that's pretty

hearing it like that, that's pretty startling.

startling. >> You know, only I think it's like 60%

>> You know, only I think it's like 60% will get married, a third of them will

will get married, a third of them will have kids, and you go one generation

have kids, and you go one generation more and it ends up one in 27 will have

more and it ends up one in 27 will have a grandkid. But we're actually doing

a grandkid. But we're actually doing okay.

okay. We're not we're demographically we look

We're not we're demographically we look actually okay. Some of that is there's

actually okay. Some of that is there's certain sects of our society that are

certain sects of our society that are having a lot of kids.

having a lot of kids. Uh my podcast go always reminds me it's

Uh my podcast go always reminds me it's gay women having all the kids. And then

gay women having all the kids. And then >> is that really true?

>> is that really true? >> Obviously a little tongue and cheek, but

>> Obviously a little tongue and cheek, but >> well, they're having more kids. You

>> well, they're having more kids. You never, you know, I mean, this is one of

never, you know, I mean, this is one of the wonderful things about our society

the wonderful things about our society is that my podcast co-host has had four

is that my podcast co-host has had four kids and lives a really, in my opinion,

kids and lives a really, in my opinion, lives a pretty good life, mostly free

lives a pretty good life, mostly free from discrimination. Just when I was in

from discrimination. Just when I was in college, you wouldn't have found that.

college, you wouldn't have found that. >> You just wouldn't have found it. They

>> You just wouldn't have found it. They would have been discou

anyways. That's a wonderful thing. But if you want pragmatic economic policy

if you want pragmatic economic policy around you need population growth. We

around you need population growth. We were worried there was going to be a

were worried there was going to be a population

population bomb that would overrun the planet in

bomb that would overrun the planet in the 70s. The bomb's gone off but it's

the 70s. The bomb's gone off but it's imploded, not detonated. We need more

imploded, not detonated. We need more kids. Um because what happens in a

kids. Um because what happens in a society if you have too few young people

society if you have too few young people supporting unproductive seniors, the

supporting unproductive seniors, the society collapses. You end up where

society collapses. You end up where America is spending too much money on

America is spending too much money on seniors and not enough in foreign

seniors and not enough in foreign leaning investments. So one way you do

leaning investments. So one way you do that I think is with economic incentives

that I think is with economic incentives to put more money in the pocket of young

to put more money in the pocket of young people. I think it will help but the

people. I think it will help but the studies in Northern Europe show it

studies in Northern Europe show it doesn't solve the problem. I think you

doesn't solve the problem. I think you supplant that with a thoughtful

supplant that with a thoughtful immigration policy.

immigration policy. [snorts]

[snorts] >> Well, so speaking of immigration, what

>> Well, so speaking of immigration, what does a thoughtful immigration policy

does a thoughtful immigration policy look like? I'm guessing Trump is not

look like? I'm guessing Trump is not your answer to that. Uh so what should

your answer to that. Uh so what should it look like?

it look like? >> Well, so I don't want to pretend to be a

>> Well, so I don't want to pretend to be a domain expert here. I'm I'm I'm I suffer

domain expert here. I'm I'm I'm I suffer from Dunning Krueger and that is because

from Dunning Krueger and that is because I've had some discuss in some reasons. I

I've had some discuss in some reasons. I think I'm an expert on everything. Um

think I'm an expert on everything. Um look, I I think that the we can never

look, I I think that the we can never seem to have a middle ground. If you've

seem to have a middle ground. If you've been here 20 or 30 years, working your

been here 20 or 30 years, working your ass off, good kids, taxpayer, no contact

ass off, good kids, taxpayer, no contact with the law, path to citizenship. Let's

with the law, path to citizenship. Let's just Yeah, okay. You're right. It's a

just Yeah, okay. You're right. It's a bummer for the people who waited in line

bummer for the people who waited in line or didn't come in. I get it. Path to

or didn't come in. I get it. Path to citizenship. But at the same time, if we

citizenship. But at the same time, if we were really serious about immigration,

were really serious about immigration, we use biometrics and we'd go out to the

we use biometrics and we'd go out to the supply side and start finding the

supply side and start finding the employers.

employers. You show up to a fast food restaurant

You show up to a fast food restaurant and say, "Unless you show proof of

and say, "Unless you show proof of citizenship for these people who are

citizenship for these people who are filing social security and that you're

filing social security and that you're paying and have bank accounts for or

paying and have bank accounts for or automatic transfers, we're going to find

automatic transfers, we're going to find you $1,000 a day." Uh, problem solved.

you $1,000 a day." Uh, problem solved. But instead, we want to demonize the

But instead, we want to demonize the immigrants. So I I think there and then

immigrants. So I I think there and then all I think we should have a thoughtful

all I think we should have a thoughtful immigration policy around what are our

immigration policy around what are our needs. We need lowskilled labor willing

needs. We need lowskilled labor willing to come work their asses off and pick

to come work their asses off and pick our lettuce. We need them unless we want

our lettuce. We need them unless we want lettuce prices to triple. We need

lettuce prices to triple. We need semi-skilled labor to roof our

semi-skilled labor to roof our household. I just renovated a house. No

household. I just renovated a house. No domestic workers will work outside in

domestic workers will work outside in Florida. You just can't find them. The

Florida. You just can't find them. The only people born and raised in America

only people born and raised in America will work on a home renovation are

will work on a home renovation are plumbers and electricians. That's it.

plumbers and electricians. That's it. Full stop. And they say, 'Well, okay, if

Full stop. And they say, 'Well, okay, if we didn't have these legal immigrants,

we didn't have these legal immigrants, you have to pay roofers more. No, these

you have to pay roofers more. No, these construction sites shut down. And then

construction sites shut down. And then going to the top of the stack, 20% of

going to the top of the stack, 20% of the NASDAQ by market capitalization is

the NASDAQ by market capitalization is not only immigrants, it's immigrants

not only immigrants, it's immigrants from India.

from India. I teach at a world-class business

I teach at a world-class business school. The PhD students are the best

school. The PhD students are the best and brightest from the four corners of

and brightest from the four corners of the earth. It's as if the the Los

the earth. It's as if the the Los Angeles Rams, it's as if the Rams said,

Angeles Rams, it's as if the Rams said, we said to the Rams, you can have the

we said to the Rams, you can have the number one draft choice every year, all

number one draft choice every year, all the number ones. And we said, no, turn

the number ones. And we said, no, turn them away. That's what America is right

them away. That's what America is right now. We get the number one draft choice

now. We get the number one draft choice from everywhere in the world. And right

from everywhere in the world. And right now, we're saying no, turn them away.

now, we're saying no, turn them away. Should we have open borders? No. But we

Should we have open borders? No. But we should absolutely have more HP1 visas.

should absolutely have more HP1 visas. We should absolutely have more flexible

We should absolutely have more flexible uh immigration policy around low-wage

uh immigration policy around low-wage labor. Who the who the hell do you think

labor. Who the who the hell do you think is going to take care of your parents

is going to take care of your parents when they're 90? You going to give up

when they're 90? You going to give up work? I mean, we need immigrants. We

work? I mean, we need immigrants. We also need them for population growth.

also need them for population growth. They add to our culture, but it should

They add to our culture, but it should be digital. It should be organized. It

be digital. It should be organized. It should be planned. So I say it has to be

should be planned. So I say it has to be legal immigration, but you absolutely

legal immigration, but you absolutely open up the throttle dramatically and

open up the throttle dramatically and just have a very systemic these are our

just have a very systemic these are our needs for agricultural workers. These

needs for agricultural workers. These are our needs for people who will be in

are our needs for people who will be in the construction in the housing sector.

the construction in the housing sector. This is our need for PhD students and

This is our need for PhD students and the need is big but but demonizing them

the need is big but but demonizing them scaring them. Do you know how much money

scaring them. Do you know how much money we make at UN? It's hilarious that at

we make at UN? It's hilarious that at NYU and every other lead institution, we

NYU and every other lead institution, we brag about 30 40% of our students

brag about 30 40% of our students international student and we claim it's

international student and we claim it's for diversity. What [ __ ] It's for

for diversity. What [ __ ] It's for money. They pay full freight. They pay

money. They pay full freight. They pay $68,000 tuition at NYU, 95% of gross

$68,000 tuition at NYU, 95% of gross margin, $272,000

margin, $272,000 over four years. Name a product that has

over four years. Name a product that has 945 points of gross margin at $272,000.

945 points of gross margin at $272,000. These are the most we export tens of

These are the most we export tens of billions of dollars of high margin

billions of dollars of high margin revenue to adults overseas who think the

revenue to adults overseas who think the ultimate luxury item is to send their

ultimate luxury item is to send their kids to an elite school. And then what

kids to an elite school. And then what do they do? They go back and they love

do they do? They go back and they love America and they don't want to help

America and they don't want to help terrorist cells form against us. They

terrorist cells form against us. They want to do trade with us. Sometimes they

want to do trade with us. Sometimes they come back here. Sometimes they end up in

come back here. Sometimes they end up in government because it's usually the

government because it's usually the richest kid in the nation that ends up

richest kid in the nation that ends up in undergrad. And then on the flip side,

in undergrad. And then on the flip side, on the PhD side, best and brightest,

on the PhD side, best and brightest, some ridiculously [ __ ] smart kid out

some ridiculously [ __ ] smart kid out of Cambodia who somehow understands prop

of Cambodia who somehow understands prop liquid propulsion dynamics and lives for

liquid propulsion dynamics and lives for it and ends up at MIT and figures out a

it and ends up at MIT and figures out a way to send our satellites into space

way to send our satellites into space for less money than anywhere else in the

for less money than anywhere else in the world. Oh, but we're going to turn that

world. Oh, but we're going to turn that away. We want them to go to China or

away. We want them to go to China or France. So, our immigration policy right

France. So, our immigration policy right now, it needs to be enforced. It needs

now, it needs to be enforced. It needs to be rational, but it can help with

to be rational, but it can help with population growth. And absolutely, the

population growth. And absolutely, the greatest investment in US history is not

greatest investment in US history is not only financial capital coming in, which

only financial capital coming in, which raises our stocks and lowers our access

raises our stocks and lowers our access or cheapens makes our capital cheaper,

or cheapens makes our capital cheaper, but the inflow of human capital. Oh my

but the inflow of human capital. Oh my gosh. I mean, the the best and brightest

gosh. I mean, the the best and brightest in the world used to have one thing in

in the world used to have one thing in common, and that is they all wanted to

common, and that is they all wanted to come to America, and we've decided to

come to America, and we've decided to discourage that. I mean, again, I just

discourage that. I mean, again, I just think his instincts, again, going back

think his instincts, again, going back to Trump, instincts were right. We

to Trump, instincts were right. We should not have open borders, but should

should not have open borders, but should we be really scaring away the best and

we be really scaring away the best and brightest in the world who want to come

brightest in the world who want to come here and and put our rockets into space

here and and put our rockets into space and figure out different chemotherapy

and figure out different chemotherapy for our cancer victims and figure out a

for our cancer victims and figure out a way to start crazy tech companies that

way to start crazy tech companies that create millions of jobs? It just doesn't

create millions of jobs? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

make any sense to me. >> All politicians do is say whatever they

>> All politicians do is say whatever they need to say to gain and retain power.

need to say to gain and retain power. So, that's what the populace wants to

So, that's what the populace wants to hear. I very much think Trump is a a

hear. I very much think Trump is a a symptom. He's not a cause. I mean, he

symptom. He's not a cause. I mean, he certainly exacerbates, but I don't think

certainly exacerbates, but I don't think he is in and of himself a cause. Um,

he is in and of himself a cause. Um, there's one thing that you said in all

there's one thing that you said in all of that that I want to um push on, which

of that that I want to um push on, which is, uh, it's great for our culture to

is, uh, it's great for our culture to have immigration. What do you think

have immigration. What do you think about assimilation? So, from, uh, you're

about assimilation? So, from, uh, you're in the UK right now. Obviously, the UK

in the UK right now. Obviously, the UK is um having a reckoning of sorts with

is um having a reckoning of sorts with um I'll say the assimilation side of

um I'll say the assimilation side of immigration.

immigration. Do you think that matters or um much to

Do you think that matters or um much to do about nothing? I I I just think it's

do about nothing? I I I just think it's a fair point you're dancing. I mean,

a fair point you're dancing. I mean, there are just certain cultures where

there are just certain cultures where when we let people come in, they don't

when we let people come in, they don't tend to be productive citizens and

tend to be productive citizens and assimilate. Well, Northern Europe has a

assimilate. Well, Northern Europe has a huge gangland problem from from

huge gangland problem from from immigration from certain. But to me,

immigration from certain. But to me, this is just like it's it's not rocket

this is just like it's it's not rocket science. I think you discriminate. If

science. I think you discriminate. If you've got if you've got a degree in

you've got if you've got a degree in mechanical engineering and you went to

mechanical engineering and you went to IIT in India, come on in. If you're a

IIT in India, come on in. If you're a hardworking kid who's willing to work in

hardworking kid who's willing to work in agriculture and manufacturing and you

agriculture and manufacturing and you want to sign up for for a training or

want to sign up for for a training or vocational program in areas where we

vocational program in areas where we don't have those people, come on in. If

don't have those people, come on in. If you're coming from a profile or a

you're coming from a profile or a demographic that tends to uh not be

demographic that tends to uh not be productive, end up on social services or

productive, end up on social services or has a very large proportion of

has a very large proportion of population that is unproductive or

population that is unproductive or becomes violent. Sorry, boss. We I don't

becomes violent. Sorry, boss. We I don't think America can feed the world. I

think America can feed the world. I don't think everyone has an I don't

don't think everyone has an I don't think we have an obligation to let

think we have an obligation to let everyone immigrate here. And it's

everyone immigrate here. And it's totally contrary to bring us your tired.

totally contrary to bring us your tired. A billion people would like to immigrate

A billion people would like to immigrate to the US right now. If we said open

to the US right now. If we said open borders, let us know. billion people and

borders, let us know. billion people and we'll give you pre-loaded phone cards

we'll give you pre-loaded phone cards and Harris Harris Biden hats. A billion

and Harris Harris Biden hats. A billion people would raise their hand. We can't

people would raise their hand. We can't do it. So, to me, these are there's just

do it. So, to me, these are there's just common sense solutions.

common sense solutions. You know, I don't know if it's fair. I

You know, I don't know if it's fair. I think you want to be fair. I think you

think you want to be fair. I think you want to be equitable, but I agree it

want to be equitable, but I agree it should be based on what is best for

should be based on what is best for America's economy. Um, but a huge

America's economy. Um, but a huge huge mistakes around the far left

huge mistakes around the far left thinking that all immigrants are saints

thinking that all immigrants are saints and are going to come in. And what

and are going to come in. And what happens? there's an overcorrection and

happens? there's an overcorrection and they start demonizing them and there's

they start demonizing them and there's violence. So again, it doesn't appear we

violence. So again, it doesn't appear we can ever get the pendulum at the middle

can ever get the pendulum at the middle at the bottom.

at the bottom. >> Yeah. On that one, uh just again it goes

>> Yeah. On that one, uh just again it goes back to me to psychological problems in

back to me to psychological problems in terms of when people are economically

terms of when people are economically insecure that insecurity feels very bad,

insecure that insecurity feels very bad, feels like anxiety. It's going to be

feels like anxiety. It's going to be transmuted into anger which is a far

transmuted into anger which is a far more intoxicating um thing. There was a

more intoxicating um thing. There was a very small study but still utterly

very small study but still utterly fascinating because of the extremity of

fascinating because of the extremity of it. When a patient has their skull

it. When a patient has their skull opened and the doctors are using an

opened and the doctors are using an electrode to stimulate emotional centers

electrode to stimulate emotional centers in their brain, they'll stimulate all

in their brain, they'll stimulate all the different emotional centers and then

the different emotional centers and then say, "Okay, of all of those, which one

say, "Okay, of all of those, which one do you want me to stimulate again?" And

do you want me to stimulate again?" And they invariably say anger. And I think

they invariably say anger. And I think the reason that people like that is

the reason that people like that is there's so much certainty, there's so

there's so much certainty, there's so much clarity, there's so much forward

much clarity, there's so much forward momentum. you know exactly what to do.

momentum. you know exactly what to do. And so I this is now my uh to a hammer.

And so I this is now my uh to a hammer. Every problem is a nail. To me, just

Every problem is a nail. To me, just everything comes back to the economy.

everything comes back to the economy. And so when I look at people that are

And so when I look at people that are economically insecure, I know that they

economically insecure, I know that they are going to translate history tells me

are going to translate history tells me so. They are going to translate that

so. They are going to translate that into anger. They are then going to need

into anger. They are then going to need somebody to blame. And then, hey, nice

somebody to blame. And then, hey, nice and easy to point at either an immigrant

and easy to point at either an immigrant population or historically the Jews have

population or historically the Jews have uh been the standin for that. Somebody

uh been the standin for that. Somebody who's considered an outsider that I can

who's considered an outsider that I can blame for all of my woes and then we go

blame for all of my woes and then we go on the attack. The problem is to um

on the attack. The problem is to um bring in what you were saying is there

bring in what you were saying is there are realities to be faced here. You can

are realities to be faced here. You can do immigration well, you can do

do immigration well, you can do immigration very very [snorts] poorly.

immigration very very [snorts] poorly. And so when you have all this economic

And so when you have all this economic stress being transmuted into anger at

stress being transmuted into anger at the same time that you have this wild

the same time that you have this wild immigration policy, then you end up

immigration policy, then you end up where we're at now, which is full

where we're at now, which is full disaster from where I'm sitting. Scott,

disaster from where I'm sitting. Scott, this has been wonderful. Where can

this has been wonderful. Where can people connect with you?

people connect with you? >> Thank you. I So I to resist is feudal.

>> Thank you. I So I to resist is feudal. I'm overexposed. I'm like AOL in the

I'm overexposed. I'm like AOL in the '9s. If you stick your hand in a cereal

'9s. If you stick your hand in a cereal box, you're going to find me. Um, but

box, you're going to find me. Um, but I'm at Prof Galloway uh on all social

I'm at Prof Galloway uh on all social media. My newsletter is No Mercy, No

media. My newsletter is No Mercy, No Malice. My book out is called Notes on

Malice. My book out is called Notes on Being a Man,

Being a Man, >> my man Scott. Again, thank you so much

>> my man Scott. Again, thank you so much everybody. If you haven't already, be

everybody. If you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time,

sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care.

my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.

Peace. >> If you like this conversation, check out

>> If you like this conversation, check out this episode to learn more. We just had

this episode to learn more. We just had a socialist elected to the be mayor of

a socialist elected to the be mayor of the biggest financial city in the world.

the biggest financial city in the world. Um, what do you take away from that? Do

Um, what do you take away from that? Do you think that that's going to make New

you think that that's going to make New York City better? Is this a good

York City better? Is this a good direction for

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