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This content is an interview with Professor Grażyna Cichosz, a food technologist, who exposes major dietary scams of the 20th century and criticizes the food industry and regulatory bodies for prioritizing corporate interests over consumer health. She argues that current food production and official nutritional recommendations are often misleading and detrimental to public health.

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Turymanowski live. Hello everyone. My

guest is Professor Grażyna Cichosz,

food technologist and specialist in

health safety, food and

nutrition. Hello, professor.

professor. Hello.

Hello.

And today, ladies and gentlemen, we will be

talking about the biggest

dietary scams of the 20th century. About whether

institutions that are supposed to take care of

consumers are at the service of

food corporations. Should we be happy

about the production of artificial meat and will

beef from Argentina be cheaper and

healthier than beef from Mazovia? I

invite you to

comment on this interview, like it and

subscribe to my channel. Who

are you, professor?

Because they say different things about you. I

was a lunatic for almost 10 years.

Who calls you that? Not all of my

publications were rejected by

various editorial offices and the

argument was always used that my opinions

were not my opinions, because it was

material collected on the basis of

world literature, that the material I developed

was contrary to the so-called

fat consensus. the argument that the

fat consensus

was reached because no

scientific arguments were presented. He did not speak to anyone about the

beneficial properties of

vegetable fats or the harmful

properties of animal fats

. But in 2006,

a symposium was organized for cardiologists and

I was asked to give a paper entitled the

allegedly atherosclerotic properties of

milk fat.

Allegedly, this report was met with

great interest and great

applause. was published in a

medical review and when

a short half-page

English summary appeared in the

literature database, within a week I received

about 50 emails from all over the

world, mostly from Japan, asking me to make

the entire work available online in

English. And soon after that, there were

more papers, and in total, all of them were

rejected, eight items, I put a lot of work into it

, everything is published because

because

the paper about the supposedly myocardial

milk fat was posted on the Stanford

University website

at the request of

Stanford University. And when I started citing

Stanford University instead of the

Fat Consensus, no editorial office

dared to reject the same works, the

same papers. So I followed the

crazy guy for a few years, but because

I'm stubborn, Capricorn doesn't seem to

exist, so I ended up with mine. It stopped on

mine and the avalanche started. Nowadays,

people are no longer afraid of

animal fats. Butter sales are rising. I

even notice in women's magazines

that the most diverse recipes use

butter, not margarine.

We will soon talk about butter

or margarine. I would like to ask you one more thing

about you.

How many students have you had who became master's degree holders? Should

master's degree holders? Should

we count them in dozens or hundreds? I mean, I never, never

made a balance sheet. These were students

who were completing their engineering studies at the

University of Rehabilitation. These were

students at the undergraduate and

graduate levels. Well, I think that in

total there

were about 200 bachelor's and master's theses and

five doctoral students were promoted.

And how can you explain this fact to me, because

I heard that they weren't dragged down there and

forced with chains, but they

came to your classes of their own volition ,

because you were someone who attracted people.

What is the secret of this attraction?

I think

young people realized that official

nutritional recommendations do not necessarily have

anything to do with health.

Especially those young people who studied

in Warsaw at the Higher School of

Rehabilitation. These were people who had already graduated from

university. Average age 35, 40 years.

Another issue is that, I don't know, I had

quite direct relationships with

students and I must admit that I

also owe a lot to the students, because

all the recipes,

i.e. food adulterations, are

secret matters.

T no one publishes this. No

manufacturer will admit to this. But

when a part-time master's student

chose a topic for his thesis and obtained such data

, I

also came into possession of this data. I

also had a great time working with young people, both

the younger and the older ones.

Well, with doctoral students it's a different level,

so there were quite close relationships.

So I think I probably inherited the gene

from my mother, who was a Polish teacher.

Polish teacher.

Well, you have to have something to reach

young people, because young people

often get bored at university.

Sometimes what

they are majoring in is not their

passion, it is just about doing something,

right? getting a diploma, but for it to be

a passion, a lot depends on

the teacher, on the lecturer.

That is, I did not lecture in a

standard, textbook way, but on the

contrary, on the contrary, because I was

aware that what was written down

was untrue. It has nothing to do

with our health.

Exactly. Exactly. So let's talk about

what is true and what is

false. What is the biggest

diet scam of the 20th century? If

you could, I mean, this scam

started this scam started in

964. This is genetically modified soy.

soy.

We do not digest these proteins. 80%

are globulin proteins, which we

cannot digest. This is half the trouble. These

proteins are harmful to the

digestive tract. They damage the intestinal tract,

generate inflammation, and

cause disruptions in the composition of the

microbiome, which is why

diseases are diagnosed that did

not exist 30 years ago. 30 years ago there was no

nonspecific inflammatory bowel disease, no chronic colitis

. The incidence of

colon cancer was

three times lower than it is now. The

incidence of pancreatic cancer was

three times lower than it is now.

Moreover, there was no such scale of

Hashimoto's disease, because soy disrupts the

hormonal balance. With high soy consumption,

the need for iodine increases up to a hundred-fold.

a hundred-fold.

Professor Aleksandrowicz, Julian

Aleksandrowicz, calculated it. Meanwhile, our

iodine intake is limited.

And how many products contain

genetically modified soy?

Good question. I tried to

make a ranking for my students and I got 360 of these products.

So these are all the products available to the public.

public.

Not only in Poland, throughout Europe and

certainly in the United States. In

Asian countries,

wherever possible, soy as a

supposed source of good protein

is added to flour, sweets and

desserts. It is used in the largest quantities

by the meat industry,

as 1 kg of soy concentrate, and a tonne of soy,

costs less than PLN 1,700. a ton replaces

5 kg of beef, which is a good deal,

deal,

i.e. it is much cheaper.

Well, incomparably

and many times greater profits. The

profits are huge, and we pay a price for it,

we pay a price for it, because the

price of health. Exactly.

Exactly.

all digestive tract diseases

, Hashimoto's disease,

cancer and also

neurological diseases, because if we have a damaged

leaky gut, various proteins, amino acids,

amino acids,

various antigens can get into

the blood. Through the blood, it passes into the lymph,

reaches the brain, and reaches the central

nervous system. After all, there used to be

a few registered, and now there are 150,

160. But you want to say that

mental health problems result from

the fact that we use

genetically modified soy in products. Is it

that simple?

No, not just genetically modified soy,

modified soy,

but soy is the main culprit because soy

damages the intestine. If we add to this

functional food additives,

which are also harmful, damaging both the

microbiome and the intestines, if we add to

this deficiencies, total deficiencies of

vitamins, minerals,

trace elements, for example

iodine and selenium,

then everything accumulates.

Preschoolers are diagnosed with

intestinal diseases.

Autoimmune diseases start in the gut.

gut.

And this was not the case 35, 40 years ago.

No, it wasn't, because back then we had

completely different food,

incomparably better. We had

excellent food compared to what

is available now. Are

you saying that during the Polish People's Republic

we had better food before 1989? Of

course. We ate better

incomparably.

There wasn't as much choice,

there weren't as many colors, gadgets, labels,

but there was quality.

Then, if the meat producer added

more than 30% water to the product, the

product was classified as

adulterated. And currently, up to 80% of water is added to the

meat we buy by weight for

culinary purposes. And this

is not a falsification, just so-called

high-performance technology. Since

such diluted meat is unstable, preservatives,

preservatives,

substances that reduce

water activity, must be added. These are phosphates, sugar, y, various

hydrocolloids. You just have to adjust it

and it looks nice.

It doesn't taste bad, but the nutritional value is

incomparably worse.

I understand that the idea is to make the

expiration date longer. Yes,

as long as possible.

Exactly. This is what retail chains require .

Can food today be a tool of

manipulation? Food has been a tool of

manipulation since the 1960s.

1960s.

But what exactly does that mean? This means

that the

hypercholesterol theory of atherosclerosis was promoted chronologically ,

without presenting any

scientific evidence for the atherosclerotic

properties of animal fats or the

health-promoting properties of

vegetable fats. It is assumed that

all oils and margarines, without exception, are

healthy. This is written in medical textbooks.

medical textbooks.

Oil producers have concluded the so-called

fat consensus with opinion-forming

scientific communities. So

what was the deal? There was a deal between

producers and the scientific community.

Exactly. Exactly. This was revealed

in Gary Taup's books, an

investigative journalist, and the result of aggressive advertising

was a sixty-fold increase in the consumption of

vegetable oils and margarines in various

regions of the world. And the consequence of this scam

scam

was a more than five-fold increase in

the incidence of cancer over the past 40

years, because fats disturb the

body's pro- and antioxidant balance, increasing

the demand for

lipophilic antioxidants, i.e. those soluble in fats, by up to several times.

fats, by up to several times.

Oxidized oils are carcinogenic,

carcinogens are active at every stage of carcinogenesis

and scientific evidence of

such indisputable

carcinogenic properties of oils and

margarines was presented in 1993 and nothing has

changed since then.

And what is this nonsense that elevated

cholesterol threatens atherosclerosis?

Elevated cholesterol is one of

several parameters, and the

least important one at that. Atherosclerosis is threatened by inflammation. The

inflammation. The

first step in atherosclerosis is

inflammation of the blood vessels. This

then leads to perforation, i.e. cracking. And it is

in these places that

atherosclerotic plaque builds up.

It prevents it by

simply sealing up the damaged areas.

Elaidic acid is present in the largest amounts in atherosclerotic plaque. This is an industrial

trans isomer that is made from

oleic acid, from any fat.

However, the cholesterol that is

part of the plaque is

oxidized cholesterol, because only oxidized

cholesterol has a

solid consistency at human body temperature. And when does it

oxidize? when there are no

antioxidants, when we have too many

oils and too few antioxidant vitamins.

antioxidant vitamins.

Okay, well, that's your opinion,

that's yours,

no, that's scientific evidence,

that's how it is, but I know doctors from that day, I

know dietitians to this day, who

think differently. So who should I believe?

Gray cells.

So common sense is needed here.

Because the incidence of illness has not decreased at all.

at all.

So if you have a choice, the

incidence of atherosclerosis has not decreased .

If you have a choice between butter and

margarine, the choice is clear. Butter,

Butter, of course.

of course.

Mhm. That is, one of the greatest

promoters of margarine, Professor Walter

Willett from Harvard,

withdrew from this after 20 years and himself

admitted that margarine is the

greatest food processing disaster of

all time, because oils

oxidize and have carcinogenic effects,

and margarine has an

even greater spectrum of this

harmful effect. Margarines have a

solid consistency. This is a

solid oil. Just like this oxidized atherosclerotic

plaque has a

solid consistency. By integrating into the structures of

cell membranes, they cause them to stiffen.

But without the flip flop movement, the

expansion of cells, the

vocal cords, the heart muscle, the muscles,

everything does not work or works with

disturbances. Embedded in the structures of

cell membranes, they cause stiffening,

disrupt the processes of nutrient uptake

, the secretion of metabolites

and increase the risk of

insulin resistance. Just 2% of fat

in the form of industrial trans isomers and the

risk of diabetes increases by 45%.

So you would withdraw margarine

from the market altogether? That is, when the

hypercholesterol theory

, which had been promoted since the 1960s, failed, in the

1980s it was already known that

vegetable fats had absolutely

nothing to do with health.

At that time, margarine oils should have been

withdrawn, but they were not withdrawn because

another scam was perpetrated. namely, it

was assumed that all

fats, including animal fats, which are a

source of lipophilic antioxidants and on

which our brain cells depend, are

harmful because they are high in calories. Well, that

's true because they are

high in calories. It just so happens

that we don't gain weight from calories,

we gain weight from insulin, and

so fatty foods are healthy foods. Of

foods. Of

course. Of course. But

back to the next scam, and

then a high-carbohydrate diet was promoted, or to put it

bluntly, manipulated

, according to which we should eat

no more than 30% fat, a maximum of

15% protein and 55-60% carbohydrates and

simple sugars. And this

nutritional experiment resulted in an

epidemic of obesity and diabetes within a dozen or so years .

One in three Americans is obese, one

in four has type 2 diabetes. Now

these indicators are certainly higher because

the quality of food is getting worse. So

we have another scam.

Well, I'm sorry, you're talking so

openly about a scam. After all, if

you say that there is evidence

that this diet is not the best diet for

humans, why are these diets still

in existence and are presented or

recommended to people?

Business and advertising. Advertisement. Stupid advertising.

advertising.

And doctors also have something on their

conscience, because very often they are simply

impregnated with knowledge. But the best

scam happened in 2004. Well,

WHO experts, out of concern

for our health, in quotation marks,

have developed the so-called global strategy to

combat obesity and diabetes in

response to the epidemic of obesity and diabetes.

diabetes.

And in this global strategy,

caloric requirements were calculated: fats,

carbohydrates, sugars. And protein

was forgotten. Yet life is a form of

protein existence. At the

same time, EU experts were preparing a

method for labeling food with nutritional value.

nutritional value.

Well, they went a step further than the Americans,

because they calculated even more carbohydrates

and simple sugars. Exactly three times

more than the

human body needs. and they also forgot about protein

. Our Ministry of Health

intervened in this matter. I don't

hide the fact that I had my share in this. That

is, the editorial office sent my publication

to the ministry. They thanked me

for the development because they had a ready-made solution. And

according to EU regulations, we are

informed about the protein content, but the

meat industry has not signed up to this

. However, this information about the

protein content basically means nothing to us

, because we do not know whether it is

full-value animal protein,

or incomplete plant protein, or

toxic soy protein, or oxidized

glycated animal protein, because these are also

harmful to health, or maybe some

vermin? Are you saying that we

don't know what we eat? Yes. That's

exactly how it is. Exactly.

So, out of caution, we should

probably not eat anything at all.

That is, the supervisor of my

master's thesis and doctoral dissertation, when he

finished lectures at the master's level,

always repeated this in the last lecture

. Remember, dear ones,

the healthiest is what we don't eat.

Well, you have to eat something. Professor,

what is food security in Poland

? Is there such a thing as

food security?

Can we as consumers

feel safe? Because there are institutions

that control food,

food products that I buy in the store.

Yes, but this is a control that

protects the interests of the manufacturer. Everything

that could harm us, knock us off our feet,

and could be proven, for example, by the sanitary-epidemiological station,

sanitary-epidemiological station,

I mean bacterial infections, or

contamination with aflatoxin,

heavy metals, or

botulism, is monitored.

However, from our perspective as

consumers, it does not look

optimistic, because there are various

ingredients that cause so-called

chronic toxicity,

i.e. they poison us slowly,

little by little, but consistently, and this is

not tested. What's more, in 2022 I

started tilting at windmills

and sent a letter

to the Attorney General

informing all agents

responsible for safety and

information about salt enriched with Widan. A

year later, I sent a similar stack of documents

documents

regarding the fact that small children

fed with infant formula are being poisoned from

an early age. This then affects

their mental health and ours as well, because

they drive on the streets, as you know, how they drive. And unfortunately,

unfortunately,

in the first case, the negation was very

quickly compliant with EU law. And in the

second case there was a glimmer of hope, because

four Warsaw prosecutors' offices

were tossing these documents around like hot potatoes

. Each time I was

informed that there was a competence dispute from one battle to another

and it finally ended up in the prosecutor's office

prosecutor's office

in Praga.

And to my surprise, just before Christmas, I received some very,

very,

very substantive questions. If

you are accusing, you have to prove it.

Seven 11 questions, 7 days to answer,

so I had to put everything on hold.

I replied and in January and February I

was still hoping that

something would change. In March, the energy was already

decreasing, and in April the negative came,

because it was in accordance with food law. And

I gave the prosecutor's office a ready-made one. The manufacturer

declares the content of

omega-6 and omega-3 acids on the label.

guarantees the proportions between them. These

acids oxidize and their levels drop by

60, 40%. You can forget about proportions

. I conducted the research together

with Professor Hanna Czeczot from the

Medical University of Warsaw and they did not

take advantage of it. Well, I could have guessed, because

since four prosecutors' offices were

switching cases, none of them was willing to

deal with it. I lost

time three times giving evidence at the Olsztyn prosecutor's office

, because they were there because

I gave evidence in Olsztyn, I

didn't have to go to Warsaw, and negative and

negative. But professor, this sounds like a

conspiracy theory.

Well, I said I was crazy

because I was supposed to believe that the prosecutor's office,

if you actually presented

evidence, did not pursue this case, did not

solve it, and no proceedings were initiated.

If there really were evidence, there

would be a prosecutor's office and

it would investigate and

verify your suspicions.

The situation in 2006. A dozen or so children

children

with symptoms of food poisoning reported

the name of a specific preparation to the Chief Sanitary Inspector

. In all

cases the same preparation was involved.

So the manufacturer's response was that the

mothers had not sterilized the bottles, that they had

allowed bacterial infections,

that they had been negligent, and they were really making waves here

, but it so happened that

half of these mothers were doctors who were

aware of everything and had had tests done at

the sanitary-epidemiological station, and any

bacterial infections were

completely ruled out.

Well, at GISE no one was interested in the

problem. I was at a symposium then,

I think in Krakow. One of the professors

asked if it could be proven.

Of course it can be proven. Research conducted at the Warsaw University of Life Sciences (SGGW)

has shown that there are toxic compounds with

cytotoxic, mutagenic and

carcinogenic effects. The product has disappeared. In this situation,

situation,

if safety supervision were functioning,

were functioning,

all similar preparations should

be tested. And they were not tested and

this particular one quietly returned to the shelves after four years

as if nothing had happened. And

children are still being poisoned by it. Are

you saying that

security supervision is a pure illusion?

Total illusion in our country. It's a complete

illusion, but in the field of

infant formulas, it's probably

like this all over the world, because there are six

producers, they've divided the market, and the

only producer in Europe, perhaps the only

producer in the world, of formula milk,

cow's milk, which has a composition

similar to human milk in

terms of the proportions of individual

ingredients, is being harassed and prosecuted

by the Sanitary Inspectorate, by the Chief

Sanitary Inspectorate, who have no right to prosecute him.

prosecute him.

Because, in accordance with EU law, supervision of

food of animal origin,

i.e. milk and everything derived from milk, meat

and everything derived from meat, is subject to

veterinary supervision. And this is logical, because

everything starts with animal health, but the Chief Sanitary Inspectorate and the Sanitary Inspectorate

do not acknowledge this. This gentleman was

handcuffed, subdued, and locked up in jail. The

provincial veterinarian

pulled him out of there.

And the product cannot be found on shelves in Poland

, but it is sold in

Hungary, Slovakia, Kazakhstan,

Egypt, and, after subsequent scandals

stirred up by TVN journalists, it has

recently been exported to France,

Belgium and the Netherlands.

Meat, since we are talking about meat,

should we eat more

of it or not?

Today, considering that the meat from

2025 is probably not the same

meat as from 1990.

Exactly. High-performance technologies

have also been implemented in animal production.

They involve animals being

kept on a leash so that they do not lose

energy. They are fed with the cheapest feed,

i.e. corn with an admixture of soy, with an

admixture of cereals, and

small amounts of green fodder, which

is used as a vitamin preparation.

And on this perfectly balanced feed,

monitored by computers, the

animals live for four years. C

And how long would they live if they were?

About 20 25,

but they would give less milk. And so they

are worn out and go away after four years

. They are, as they say nicely,

lacking, they are defective. The

price for these technologies is quality.

If an animal does not receive minerals,

minerals,

trace elements, and vitamins in its feed, then it is not surprising that

these nutrients will be found in milk

or meat. If we have

deficiencies of these ingredients in meat or milk, these

products are much more

susceptible to oxidation.

And during technological processes,

oxidation occurs. The first to be

oxidized are sulfur amino acids

, without which neither our

immune system nor our brain cells

can function properly.

I don't know what the scale of this problem is. If there

If there

is one more problem, long

storage period. Retail chains require a

storage period of at least one month. Well, you know, logistics,

and beef loses

1/3 of its nutritional value after five days if chilled properly.

properly.

1/3 of the nutritional value is lost. So

if it stays for two weeks, because

currently in Poland beef is stored for up to 14 days

, and when Mercosur comes into force

, there are already regulations that say

up to 28 days, then I suspect that the

meat will simply be inedible. Even

if it visually resembles

meat. I am surprised that the National Institute of

Public Health has not taken an

interest in this problem, because there are

analytical methods to check how long

meat is edible. Okay, so

what do you propose to me? Um, should I eat meat

or not eat meat?

The one that is currently available in

supermarkets, with, um, much

less, I understand,

nutritional value than the one from 30 years ago.

I mean, yes, meat contains ingredients

found nowhere else.

Exactly, so for example

children and adolescents in the phase of intensive

growth should eat meat every day. It does

n't have to be just

red meat. It can be poultry,

duck, goose, chicken,

pork alternating with beef.

We should eat beef once a week

due to its unique composition and high

hiscidin content. This is an amino acid

that improves heart function,

also has antioxidant properties in the brain

and crosses the blood-brain barrier.

For older people, I think that eating meat three times a

week is enough, and in general

these risks need to be diversified because

they cannot be avoided.

Eggs are an excellent source of protein. Probably the cheapest

source of complete protein.

The safest, because you

can't add anything through the shell, right?

That is, as many eggs as possible every day.

Exactly, exactly. Three or four eggs

is standard. Why we'll come back to

this. An excellent source of protein, well,

ripened cheeses contain more than

any meat, and ripened cheeses

are underestimated in Poland. Meanwhile, we have

really great products, a huge assortment,

assortment,

and I recommend it to everyone, even to take it to the car

instead of a sandwich with bread, where

everything from the Mendeleev table can be

found, including aluminum compounds

used as anti-caking agents. A piece of

cheese, maybe a tomato, a cucumber for a

snack and nothing else is needed. But you

can't give up meat because it's a

diet for the brain.

Diet for the brain. What would you

say to vegetarians and vegans?

That they are risking their own health.

That he risks his own health with his life too.

Roar health.

I mean, I don't know if it's life, but no, because

they most often experience an epiphany.

Once they realize after a year or a year and a half

that there are problems, they look for

the cause. I just found out

from a friend who struggles with vitiligo

that a vegan commented

online that she listened to my

podcasts with Mateusz Ostręga, changed her

diet, switched to eggs for now, because there was

still meat, and all the

gastrointestinal problems disappeared on

their own, because eggs, that is, in eggs we have

everything except the

magic wand vitamin,

all the problems disappeared. I think

three days will be enough.

There will be such a change in two or three days,

right? Because we have a lot of phospholipids in the stomach

, and phospholipids

regenerate the mucosa.

Egg phospholipids are incomparably

more valuable to health than

soy phospholipids advertised as supplements.

Soya does not contain the fractions that

activate our brain cells. And these

are the fractions that are found in the yolk. We should

eat 600-800 mg of phospholipids

a day, which is three to four eggs. And

then we will make

phospholipids in the circulatory system act

as a detergent.

reduce surface tension,

prevent cholesterol oxidation.

Our grey

cells, specifically the myelin sheath, are made of phospholipids.

So eat eggs, you will be smarter, more intelligent,

intelligent,

healthier, smarter, more intelligent,

because it is a complete protein. And

getting back to vegetarians, it

is filling, because due to the high

fat content in the yolk, three eggs,

even without bacon, satisfy the appetite for 4

pi hours, and a roll for an hour and a half. But I

'm going back to the fact that some people don't

eat meat for ideological reasons,

because, for example, they believe that

we shouldn't eat meat because it

involves killing animals, often

treating animals cruelly.

What would you tell them? She

fought hard to

stun animals.

There are no scientific arguments for

giving up meat. On the

contrary, it was recently shown a few years

ago that Neanderthals

were carnivores, because we have been told for

many years that we have a digestive tract

long enough to digest plants.

Plants are digested in the cow's rumen,

not in the intestines. Absorption takes place in the intestines

, and we do not have a rumen

. So it has been shown from

this tooth that

Neanderthal man was definitely a carnivore. uh, the

levels of various mineral compounds were checked

and high levels of zinc were found

, but no one knew how to

relate it to what and some doctoral student from

France came up with the idea that they need to

find meat and herbivorous animals from around the same period, i.e. 40 years ago, 40,000 years ago

. And they found it,

and since 1 gram of the bone was needed for the analysis

, they took from the bone a rabbit, a

a rabbit, a chamois, a

chamois, a wolf, and there

wolf, and there

was one more animal.

And it turned out that carnivorous animals had the

same high level of zinc as

Neanderthals, while the chamois and rabbit had

four to five times lower levels. So

we were definitely carnivores,

which is why our brains tripled in

size over those tens of

thousands of years. And now we have the opposite trend.

trend.

Since the 1970s, conscripts in the

United States and the Netherlands have been tested for

IQ. Well, it's known

that people from the highest social classes don't join the army

, so this study may

not be entirely reliable, but it does

show that the

IQ index is decreasing year by year. And at the Warsaw University of Life Sciences,

Professor Stanisław Berger's team

conducted an experiment on rats.

One group was fed

supposedly healthy oils and margarines, and the other

received milk fat, and the latter

had 30% more gray cells.

So if we are to think and function,

we have to take care of ourselves.

What is the value of plant products

compared to meat? Negligible.

Negligible. Zero.

Zero.

No, zero no. Plant products

contain a few percent of proteins, but

these are not complete proteins. There

is no lysine there,

no branched-chain amino acids, the ones

appreciated by athletes, which

have an anabolic effect and build muscle.

There are small amounts of sulfur amino acids

. Generally, amino acids can be

balanced by following a

vegetarian diet. You have to eat rice, you have to

eat legumes, you

have to eat cereals, but then you have to

eat at least five times more volume.

If we eat this amount, there are mega

amounts of starch and

we will gain more weight than we will nourish. In general,

In general,

not just vegans, we all have

protein deficiencies in our diets, as shown in the

Epic Oxford study published in

1999. Whether meat eaters, fish eaters,

vegans, vegetarians, they all had

total protein deficiencies.

Protein intake was 17% in meat and

fish eaters and only 11% of energy in vegans.

And we should eat at least 30%

protein to be healthy.

So we should eat meat, we should

eat eggs, but meat is very

expensive. What is someone from an

average background supposed to do?

Well, students asked me if I knew how much

beef was? I say, okay, I'll

answer with a question. How much does a visit to the doctor cost?

doctor cost?

What is the consequence of this visit? A

prescription and another expense. How much beef

can you buy for one doctor's visit?

One, two, because this prescription needs to be added. You

just have to be rational.

We spend a lot of money on junk

food that not only doesn't help us,

help us,

but also poisons us. Why buy jelly beans? Why

buy chips and fries?

And that also costs money.

It's just for taste and has no

nutritional value.

Who would be half the trouble?

We have acrolein in chips and French fries.

This is a compound that is formed

from starch as a result of exposure to high temperatures.

We have acrylamite, and these are compounds that

disrupt the functioning of mitochondria.

Mitochondrial function, i.e. reduced

reduced

energy production, is the common denominator of

all cancers and all

neurological diseases.

When I see a mother with a two- or three-year-old

child in a stroller and the child is eating

chips, it drives my husband crazy,

but I pay attention. One of the ladies

thanked me. No, I didn't ask her why she

gave it to the child, I just asked her to

check, because she had her phone in her hand, what

acroin and acrylamite were, because she

gives it to her child. And she came to the

car before I could unload the groceries

and thanked me. And why isn't this

talked about? Well, that's the problem. Why is

n't this talked about?

And do we know everything about meat, for

example in cohort studies?

Besides, you write that in your

texts and clinical control studies

it has been shown that the consumption of red meat

correlates with an increased incidence

of cardiometabolic diseases and cancer.

cancer. Yes.

Yes.

And what to do with it?

All right. However, correlation is not

scientific evidence.

Correlation is not scientific evidence.

is only an indication that we go and

continue searching for nothing in the ball. These

results, these studies are intended to

discredit meat, because the globalists

assumed that in 2040, if I'm not

mistaken, we will consume half as

much meat. Thinking people are a threat to

globalists because they will not let themselves be drugged and will

not be satisfied with a guaranteed minimum income .

You believe that there is such an

assumption that this is how these

globalists want to organize life in the world.

This is also a conspiracy theory, but

everything points to it. Everything points to it

. Or, for example, Mercosur. So

going back to this study, correlation

is not scientific evidence.

Following the thread to Kłębek, such research

was published in the United States in 2011 and has not

been confirmed in Europe. In Europe, the

results of 40 studies were collected and no

correlation was shown. Why? The

quality of meat is different in the United States than in

Europe. In the United States, since

1994, hormones have been used in animal husbandry

, growth hormones, estradiol,

which is carcinogenic, and

other technologies, high-performance ones,

were introduced there much earlier than

here. And this meat is indeed very

susceptible to oxidation. And the best

proof of this is the extent of carbonylation.

This is combining with sugars.

Freshly slaughtered beef

has a carbonylated protein level of 48

units, while pasture-fed lamb

has a carbonylated protein level of two. There is a 24-fold difference.

24-fold difference.

This is due to the quality of the meat. If this

meat is stored for a long time,

and the permissible period is 28 days, if it

is processed with various

additives, then, as I have already mentioned, after

five days the nutritional value decreases by 35%.

35%.

I don't know whether such a product can

be called meat or a meat-like product.

meat-like product.

What do you think about the fact that red meat

may soon be replaced by

synthetic meat? I hope

not, because these studies don't turn out very well.

Under no circumstances will they achieve consistency.

consistency.

This is wasted money.

Well, there is already very advanced

research. Only because it is a liquid,

billions of dollars are being spent on

only because it is a liquid and it will be

thickened with whatever. This will be a

product that will have

absolutely nothing to do with meat, because it's not just about

amino acids. Moreover, we do not know

what form these amino acids will be in, whether

they will be oxidized or glycated.

This is confirmation that the

conspiracy theory of history is a fact.

So you are a follower of conspiracy theories.

conspiracy theories.

That means I have enough years and experience to

experience to

be a propagator of the conspiracy

theory of history. Especially since for two

years I have been playing more detective than

scientist, because I have 500 pages of material to

publish, almost a hundred charts

lying around, but I need a leading theme. Just

as a conductor must set

both the tempo and

the key. I have to work it all out and no

matter what I touch, it

confirms that we are dealing with a

conspiracy theory of history, the authors of which

are globalists.

Okay, is there any chance to

change these things? Because, for example, in Switzerland a

Switzerland a

referendum was held and there was a

change when it comes to industrial

animal farming.

Exactly. First of all, you need to have a

thinking society that will take

part in the referendum. Secondly, there must be

good will.

I think economic motives should

work as in Scandinavian countries. So

in Scandinavian countries, at every

stage of education there is teaching about healthy

eating and healthy food. whether a Swede,

Finn or Norwegian will buy his own

product, even if it is more expensive than

some inferior one of unknown origin.

We don't have that here. The inefficiency of the

healthcare system should be a motive

that should mobilize those in power.

Only it must be those in power who think,

think,

that is, it must be absolute. Does

eating healthily mean not

spending billions on healthcare?

Exactly. That is why Switzerland

has abandoned industrial

dairy farming. They used this

TMR technology for 6 years and in a referendum

it was decided that they preferred 20% more expensive

whole milk, which has four or

five times more

lipophilic antioxidants and several times more

linoleic acid, which is the only

dietary component with an active

anti-cancer effect at every stage of carcinogenesis.

carcinogenesis.

Poles could also afford products that were 20% more expensive .

This is precisely the question, if

we asked Poles in a referendum

whether you would prefer

food products, for example milk and meat, to

be 20% more expensive. Would Poles agree to

this? If they can say,

"Well, we don't earn enough to afford

these things.

If they understood how important this is

for health? If someone

made them realize how much the

state budget can save on

healthcare spending

, maybe they would understand.

Although I don't know, I'm not

optimistic, because we eat poorly and have

trouble thinking. Besides, it's

been proven that we have trouble

thinking. Well, in 2023,

a study was published in which the

intellectual potential of people in their prime,

240 years old, is examined every four years. This is top-notch, and it

turns out that in 12 years our

intellectual potential has dropped by 30%

. And the fact that Chile fared even

worse is rather dubious consolation.

consolation.

But what is the reason for this? What is the cause? What is the

cause? What do we eat? And the main culprit,

in my opinion, I could be wrong, but in

my opinion the main culprit is

table salt with iodate and

potassium ferrocyanide. Because, strangely enough, it

's been used since 2010.

If this salt is used in

meat products, their

nutritional value is halved. There are

studies showing

that after 5-10 days, the

nutritional value drops by half because the proteins oxidize,

and we don't digest them. They end up in the

large intestine, and that's where the problems begin.

Would you give up the

salt available in Poland altogether?

I already caused a storm in a glass of water

in 1922, and it ended in nothing, because it

complies with food law.

Exactly. I apologize for that.

Why are you being so

picky? If it complies with

food law, then the law is useless,

useless,

because food law isn't intended to

intended to

promote health at all. Quite the opposite.

Quite the opposite. I'd

like some evidence. The

hypercholesterol theory of atherosclerosis, a

five-fold increase in

cancer rates. A high-carbohydrate diet, a

sharp increase in

obesity and diabetes. 25%. Now, apparently,

40% of the population has already been dealt with.

More protein deficiencies. After all, in

'96, the WHO, I remember clearly, predicted

predicted

that after 2020 there

would be a sharp increase in the incidence of

incidence of

cancer and neurological diseases.

For years, I didn't know how

such a prediction could be made. What's more, the WHO

predicted that Generation Z would be the

first generation to live

shorter than their parents.

And what do you think about the knowledge of Polish

doctors and dietitians when it comes to

food, in terms of its

health benefits? Because people

like you—excuse me, there are very few like

you—who raise the alarm, who say that there are irregularities, and that we simply need to raise the alarm. Why do so few people think like you?

Because no one wants to put themselves at risk.

No one wants to put themselves at risk, quite simply.

simply.

And as for knowledge, well, I must sadly

say that I rate the knowledge of

dietitians higher than that of doctors, but it's not due

to ill will. They have such a

curriculum. When I studied, it

was There were 5 hours of medicine, 5 hours

of dietetics, and 5 hours of

herbal medicine.

None of that exists now. It's been deleted, it's been

deleted altogether. Besides, yes, in my day,

there were 400 hours of biochemistry in medical school.

Then, for many, many years, there were 250

hours of biochemistry. Now, apparently, there are

only 100 hours of biochemistry. If a

doctor, commenting on

my podcast with Mariusz Ostręga

about calcium, points out that I'm

from the dairy department, prefers milk, and

what I say about calcium is not true, and

then admits she has no

idea about vitamin D3 and vitamin K2,

which determine calcium absorption and

its deposition where it

belongs, that is, in the skeletal system, not

in the heart muscle or

blood vessels, then it means things are bad.

bad.

But this is also a conscious and deliberate

action. Doctors are supposed to write

prescriptions. And one more thing, I don't know

if this is current, but a few years ago

I found information that

Journalists have the shortest life expectancy

because photojournalists significantly lower their statistics

statistics

, and doctors are second in line

. If this is true, it means

means

we're not talking about treatment at all, but

about writing prescriptions.

So, physician, heal thyself. Yes,

professor, we've been returning

to this issue a few times in this conversation. The

agreement with the Mercosur countries, i.e., South American countries, will be coming into effect. The

European Union, so

Poland will also open its doors to food from

that region. Everything

indicates that this food will be cheaper for a while.

while.

Do you think it will become more expensive later?

Of course. And is it difficult to

eliminate competition?

So what? First, we'll set prices that

will eliminate competition, and then, if there's a

monopoly, then we'll have arbitrary prices.

arbitrary prices.

Fine. And you criticize this food and

believe it will be of lower

quality, with lower

health or health-promoting properties. But there

are institutions at the head of the European Union, or within the European Union,

that should be responsible for

food security, and they They would

knowingly open the border

to something that will harm us.

I'm afraid that only a select few

will be given good quality food, while the rest

will be treated to

whatever they bring us. This food will be inedible.

inedible.

If sea transport takes about

14 days,

and it still has to be loaded and

unloaded. If retail chains

demand these long shelf lives

, then meat, meat from the

Mercosur countries, will be inedible. Norway

Norway

produces large quantities of salmon.

They've created two or three airports for this salmon

. Today we fish,

take orders, and within 48

hours it's delivered by air

anywhere to Warsaw, Tokyo, anywhere.

anywhere.

And here, carbon footprints

have been forgotten, and the environment has been forgotten.

So maybe they'll be transported too.

This will be, this will be the scam of the 20th century.

Maybe this is the Mercosur agreement? Yes,

of course. Maybe there will also be

air transport, and for example,

beef from Argentina will be flown to

us in Warsaw or Berlin.

And then it will cost 200 PLN per kilogram.

kilogram.

Um, and they predict that meat consumption

will decline, so it will be a blow not only

to Polish agriculture, but also to

consumers. It will be a blow

primarily to our health. This food

will be inedible. Or maybe if it turns out

as you say, that this food

will be inedible, then people will appreciate

Polish food.

Yes, but when Polish agriculture is

finally bankrupt,

maybe we can save it after all.

I don't know what

the institutions responsible for

safety do. I know that, with the exception of

Poland and Romania, in every country there is

one agency responsible for

safety. Yes. They protect

the interests of producers. Yes, only

the interests of producers, because only that

works, what can be proven to have

caused harm. And consumer interests are

completely nonexistent, and there are plenty of examples of this .

For example, milk substitutes,

nutritional formulas, there's no insight. And why do you think

this issue isn't being raised

by politicians, the current government, the

current opposition, and all

political parties? As if this problem didn't

exist. Perhaps you're exaggerating with this

catastrophic vision? Perhaps you

really are. A lunatic? I

may be a lunatic, but the high and

not-so-growing incidence confirms what

I'm talking about. Six-year-olds are

diagnosed with Leśniowski's disease

. 410,000 teenagers with

mental illnesses. I don't

remember it ever being like this.

Cancer incidence, a

supposed curability. A 65% curability

doesn't mean that 65% of patients were cured. It

only means that this percentage survived five

years after diagnosis. Nobody's

Nobody's

interested in prevention because there's no money in it .

There's simply money in clinical trials and symposia organized by pharmacies. Doctors, well,

no, I can't say all of them are, but

most doctors aren't interested in

this. Another thing is that they don't have time for it

, because if they have 15 minutes per patient

, when are they supposed to be

interested in it? Those

in power should be responsible for these matters, just like in Scandinavian countries.

Scandinavian countries.

In Scandinavian countries, everything is...

Well-organized. By properly fertilizing fields, micronutrients are enriched and healthy feed is produced. Healthy feed means healthy meat and healthy people. And they don't spend as much money on healthcare as Poland. They don't vaccinate passionately. Ugh, during the entire COVID pandemic, everything functioned normally in Sweden.

Some wore masks, they

were in the minority.

That's true. Sweden was the most

liberal country in this respect. That's true.

true.

Because they know there's no magic bullet against the virus.

You just have to get over the illness, you have to get stronger, and that's it. And what about us? So,

if you were the Minister of

Health or Prime Minister, you would

copy these

Scandinavian solutions. You don't have to

look far, you

don't have to invent, you don't have to invent. You

just have to turn on your brain cells. Besides, the

Swedes recently developed a

new nutrition system, exactly what my

brothers and sisters got into: a

balanced diet,

balanced, two meals a day, and

I tried to calculate it. It's not

more expensive at all. And by buying these

colorful, chemically enhanced inventions, we're poisoning ourselves with our own money.

money.

So the mechanism is this: producers

sell us nice, colorful packaging, they

sell us products that are tasty,

tasty, yes,

yes,

but they don't necessarily do us any good

, right? And

that's the end,

and we're getting used to it.

Exactly. It came from the West, because

when homogenized cheeses for children

contained 16-18% protein, our

classic ones, all the producers

did, and a French company came in

with mega-advertisements and produced cheeses with a

protein content only

slightly higher than milk,

they had no chance of competing.

When my children ate cheese, it would

n't fall off the spoon. And when my grandchildren

eat cheese, they're completely melted because it

has the consistency of cream, not

cottage cheese. And it contains three times less protein.

Protein is the most expensive ingredient in the

diet, so we're simply being

deceived. And besides,

we're often unaware, because few people check the

protein content of the product,

but does every single one do it? The product doesn't have

a label? You can't check. The

meat industry doesn't provide information about what's in its

products, and there

's information about protein and dairy products, but people don't check.

check.

Right now, we have cheeses on the market

whose total protein and fat content

is three times lower than the

carbohydrate and sugar content. And

why wouldn't children gain weight on something like that?

like that?

So, the idea of your brothers and sisters to change the

national nutrition program and

implement what you're talking about,

these Scandinavian solutions, is

absolutely correct. Of course, only

then will there be resistance from those who

because this community isn't

interested. I tilted at

windmills once in 2007, a

second tilt at windmills in 2022, and a

third. And unfortunately, nothing, zero, zero

reaction. And it's not true that

EU law is superior, since the French in

2015 withdrew aspartame,

which only quadruples the

risk of lymphoma, leukemia, and other cancers.

cancers.

And what is aspartame? It is.

Aspartame is an artificial sweetener used

used

everywhere possible, most notably in Coca-Cola

. If Coca-Cola is

sugar-free, it also contains aspartame.

What's more, aspartame is used in

medicines. All syrups,

children's tablets, everything is aspartame because it

supposedly prevents diabetes.

If the Scandinavians have withdrawn four different

different

food dyes, if

tartrazine is banned in Europe

except Poland, if the Americans

, not the European Union, have

withdrawn carrageenan, then everything ends up in our country.

our country. It's worth checking the labels.

It's worth checking the labels. Tartrazine is everywhere possible, whether in

Tartrazine is everywhere possible, whether in horseradish, mustard, or

horseradish, mustard, or pickles. Um,

pickles. Um, we have, we don't have, we basically have no

we have, we don't have, we basically have no oversight of food safety

oversight of food safety . Minister Jan Krzysztof

. Minister Jan Krzysztof Ardanowski tried

Ardanowski tried to civilize this and create a single office out of the few

to civilize this and create a single office out of the few government agencies that are theoretically

government agencies that are theoretically responsible, and

responsible, and give it the financial resources to operate,

give it the financial resources to operate, and he failed. He failed, and the main protesters

and he failed. He failed, and the main protesters were the Chief Sanitary Inspectorate and the Sanitary

were the Chief Sanitary Inspectorate and the Sanitary Inspectorate. Exactly. We have the Sanitary Inspectorate, we have the Chief

Inspectorate. Exactly. We have the Sanitary Inspectorate, we have the Chief Sanitary Inspectorate, we have what seems to be a state

Sanitary Inspectorate, we have what seems to be a state veterinary institute, so all of this should

veterinary institute, so all of this should be under one umbrella.

be under one umbrella. Exactly.

Exactly. And it should be a mega-institution

And it should be a mega-institution with the authority to check,

with the authority to check, control, and truly

control, and truly verify the value of

verify the value of food products. This is the case everywhere

food products. This is the case everywhere except Poland and Romania. There is one

except Poland and Romania. There is one office, with appropriate departments, because we

office, with appropriate departments, because we know that

know that veterinarians,

veterinarians, hygiene specialists, and

hygiene specialists, and food specialists will do different things, but here we have positions,

food specialists will do different things, but here we have positions, deputies, jobs, and no funds for

deputies, jobs, and no funds for research. At one symposium,

research. At one symposium, it was stated that

it was stated that adulteration is detected 200 times more often

adulteration is detected 200 times more often in Germany than here. Because it's checked in Germany, but it's

in Germany than here. Because it's checked in Germany, but it's not checked here. At a symposium in Krakow

not checked here. At a symposium in Krakow , I learned that who ate all

, I learned that who ate all the chickens from the dioxin scandal in Belgium in 2007, a

the chickens from the dioxin scandal in Belgium in 2007, a long time ago, and all the eggs from the

long time ago, and all the eggs from the dioxin scandal? Poles.

dioxin scandal? Poles. There is no supervision in our country. No one is

There is no supervision in our country. No one is responsible for anything. It

responsible for anything. It 's terrible what's happening. You say that. It's

's terrible what's happening. You say that. It's hard to believe. But these are facts.

hard to believe. But these are facts. Do you know what percentage of food

Do you know what percentage of food available in Polish stores

available in Polish stores contains genetically

contains genetically modified ingredients? I

modified ingredients? I mentioned 360 products.

mentioned 360 products. Is that more than in

Is that more than in America?

America? No, it's comparable, because these are the

No, it's comparable, because these are the same technologies.

same technologies. Comparable.

Comparable. It's comparable to the United States. Incidentally,

It's comparable to the United States. Incidentally, in the United States, over the last 30 years, the

in the United States, over the last 30 years, the average life expectancy has shortened by 6

average life expectancy has shortened by 6 years, and generation Z will indeed

years, and generation Z will indeed live shorter lives, much shorter than their

live shorter lives, much shorter than their parents.

parents. We'll see how

We'll see how Secretary of Health, er, Kennedy Jr., reacts to all this, because it

Secretary of Health, er, Kennedy Jr., reacts to all this, because it 's clear he also wants to

's clear he also wants to clean things up. This is hope for

clean things up. This is hope for you.

you. 14,000 American doctors have signed the

14,000 American doctors have signed the protest. Mmm.

protest. Mmm. I'd like it to happen, but I

I'd like it to happen, but I can't be optimistic. It's

can't be optimistic. It's simply not possible. If Minister

simply not possible. If Minister Ardanowski, a man with such knowledge and

Ardanowski, a man with such knowledge and such culture, has

such culture, has n't achieved anything, then I'm not surprised

n't achieved anything, then I'm not surprised that my tilt at windmills is a failure. The three-fold decision

that my tilt at windmills is a failure. The three-fold decision also ended in nothing.

also ended in nothing. Maybe it's that those who should

Maybe it's that those who should or can decide don't

or can decide don't realize what we're dealing with

realize what we're dealing with . No, I

. No, I don't agree with that at all.

don't agree with that at all. So what? Do you think they're afraid of

So what? Do you think they're afraid of infringing on certain interests?

infringing on certain interests? Exactly. They're afraid to be seen. When

Exactly. They're afraid to be seen. When I sent information about salt, I

I sent information about salt, I attached

attached not a graph, but only bar graphs.

not a graph, but only bar graphs. Potassium iodide has been used since the 1990s, and

Potassium iodide has been used since the 1990s, and the incidence of thyroid disease has been

the incidence of thyroid disease has been gradually decreasing. Within 10 years, it

gradually decreasing. Within 10 years, it almost halved. When

almost halved. When Iodine was introduced,

Iodine was introduced, the trend began in the opposite direction.

the trend began in the opposite direction. And what's the difference between iodine and iodine?

And what's the difference between iodine and iodine? Iodine has a pro-inflammatory effect. In 2001. An

Iodine has a pro-inflammatory effect. In 2001. An excellent review paper was written by an

excellent review paper was written by an author from Australia, I think. How does

author from Australia, I think. How does iodine damage the thyroid? How does it

iodine damage the thyroid? How does it damage the digestive tract? And yet,

damage the digestive tract? And yet, 70% of immunity is generated in the digestive tract

70% of immunity is generated in the digestive tract . And I think that in response to

. And I think that in response to this, they came up with the idea that if you add iodine to

this, they came up with the idea that if you add iodine to Salt, the pharmaceutical business will

Salt, the pharmaceutical business will get even bigger and is

get even bigger and is booming. Leśowski's disease in

booming. Leśowski's disease in children is nothing more than this and

children is nothing more than this and protein deficiency. And protein deficiency.

protein deficiency. And protein deficiency. And why in Poland is the recommended iodine intake

And why in Poland is the recommended iodine intake for pregnant women? And if I

for pregnant women? And if I remember correctly, it's almost three times

remember correctly, it's almost three times lower than in Europe and probably

lower than in Europe and probably 10 times lower than in Japan.

10 times lower than in Japan. Why? This is a nightmare problem. Is

Why? This is a nightmare problem. Is this true? Have you

this true? Have you verified this information?

verified this information? It's true. Of course.

It's true. Of course. Professor Tomasz Dangel writes about this in

Professor Tomasz Dangel writes about this in his book "

his book " Nutrition and Carbohydrate

Nutrition and Carbohydrate Supplementation in Pregnancy." There are plenty of publications on this

Supplementation in Pregnancy." There are plenty of publications on this topic, and that's the

topic, and that's the crux of the problem. Why? It's not

crux of the problem. Why? It's not about ignorance, because in the age of the

about ignorance, because in the age of the internet, any information can be

internet, any information can be verified instantly.

verified instantly. In the United States, the reference,

In the United States, the reference, or recommended, intake of iodine is five

or recommended, intake of iodine is five times higher than in Poland. In Japan, it's 10 times

times higher than in Poland. In Japan, it's 10 times higher than in Poland. In Japan,

higher than in Poland. In Japan, selenium intake is four times higher. And

selenium intake is four times higher. And although the Japanese

although the Japanese diet includes seafood, mainly

diet includes seafood, mainly fish, They consume five times more

fish, They consume five times more heavy metals like lead, cod, and I don't

heavy metals like lead, cod, and I don't know what else. Even though they smoke the most

know what else. Even though they smoke the most cigarettes, they have the longest

cigarettes, they have the longest lifespans because they have efficient

lifespans because they have efficient detoxification systems. Selenium activates

detoxification systems. Selenium activates enzymes responsible for the

enzymes responsible for the absorption, assimilation, and assimilation of

absorption, assimilation, and assimilation of iodine, and iodine detoxifies, so that's why

iodine, and iodine detoxifies, so that's why we're underestimated.

we're underestimated. This is the only explanation for

This is the only explanation for not being too healthy.

not being too healthy. And the arguments in the form of diagrams don't

And the arguments in the form of diagrams don't work.

work. What is the most harmful

What is the most harmful component of the diet today?

Vegetable oils. I'll tell you why. Because vegetable oils

vegetable oils can, if eaten frequently, if

can, if eaten frequently, if heat-processed. A

heat-processed. A dozen or so of my friends who

dozen or so of my friends who ate in restaurants and

ate in restaurants and bought catering meals died of

bought catering meals died of pancreatic cancer. They

pancreatic cancer. They cause cancer, and cancers are not

cause cancer, and cancers are not curable. A 65% cure rate is 5

curable. A 65% cure rate is 5 years from diagnosis.

years from diagnosis. Second in line would be sugars,

Second in line would be sugars, carbohydrates, i.e., obesity and diabetes,

carbohydrates, i.e., obesity and diabetes, because they alter the entire metabolism

because they alter the entire metabolism and increase the risk of everyone, without

and increase the risk of everyone, without exception. Diseases also increase

exception. Diseases also increase the risk of cancer, but diabetes and

the risk of cancer, but diabetes and obesity can be cured, that is, you can get

obesity can be cured, that is, you can get rid of them, to put it bluntly, by

rid of them, to put it bluntly, by radically changing your diet. At one of the

radically changing your diet. At one of the symposia, a young

symposia, a young , very handsome man approached me and

, very handsome man approached me and thanked me for losing 60 kg.

thanked me for losing 60 kg. So I said, "I don't know what I have

So I said, "I don't know what I have to do with this."

to do with this." Because the doctor explained it to me, but I didn't

Because the doctor explained it to me, but I didn't get it. I don't exercise much, I'm

get it. I don't exercise much, I'm an IT specialist, but I listened to your

an IT specialist, but I listened to your podcasts with Mateusz Ostręga and

podcasts with Mateusz Ostręga and decided there was something to it. And

decided there was something to it. And I looked, and he showed me what

I looked, and he showed me what I looked like on my phone, because I had doubts. So

I looked like on my phone, because I had doubts. So it's possible, you just have to want it. So the

it's possible, you just have to want it. So the worst threat is oils and

worst threat is oils and margarines, which lead to cancer.

margarines, which lead to cancer. In my opinion, another one is

In my opinion, another one is protein deficiency, because with protein deficiency,

protein deficiency, because with protein deficiency, we can't regenerate, we can't

we can't regenerate, we can't detoxify. If we have

detoxify. If we have protein deficiency, the intestines are the first to suffer

protein deficiency, the intestines are the first to suffer .

. And the intestines are exposed to a whole

And the intestines are exposed to a whole host of different toxins that are found in

host of different toxins that are found in food, and because of this, the intestines

food, and because of this, the intestines It regenerates every 5 days.

It regenerates every 5 days. One-third of the sulfur amino acids are used

One-third of the sulfur amino acids are used to regenerate the intestine.

to regenerate the intestine. If we have an unregenerate intestine,

If we have an unregenerate intestine, sooner or later it breaks down, and

sooner or later it breaks down, and then the real problem begins with

then the real problem begins with autoimmune diseases

autoimmune diseases and neurological disorders. There

and neurological disorders. There are no blockages without a cause.

are no blockages without a cause. And then there's probably

And then there's probably soy proteins, which damage the

soy proteins, which damage the intestinal structures, intestinal villi, and the

intestinal structures, intestinal villi, and the intestinal barrier.

intestinal barrier. And then

And then there's the BT toxin in soy proteins, which causes

there's the BT toxin in soy proteins, which causes intestinal perforation. We have residues of

intestinal perforation. We have residues of randap,

randap, which is extremely toxic and

which is extremely toxic and contributes to autism in children, because

contributes to autism in children, because vaccinations aren't the only cause of autism.

vaccinations aren't the only cause of autism. There's another cause that's

There's another cause that's rarely discussed, not fully

rarely discussed, not fully understood, but it's certainly

understood, but it's certainly genetically modified soy and

genetically modified soy and all it contains. And

all it contains. And then there's probably

then there's probably food additives, because food additives in

food additives, because food additives in situations where we have a sufficient amount of

situations where we have a sufficient amount of high-quality, digestible

high-quality, digestible protein, when we don't have excess oils and

protein, when we don't have excess oils and margarines, meaning we have a pro- and

margarines, meaning we have a pro- and antioxidant balance in the body, the

antioxidant balance in the body, the body can handle the additives.

body can handle the additives. These additives, what are they? Preservatives,

These additives, what are they? Preservatives, dyes, flavor enhancers,

dyes, flavor enhancers, monosodium glutamate.

monosodium glutamate. So, is

So, is

monosodium glutamate a good question? and aspartame are the worst additives

and aspartame are the worst additives because they break the blood-

because they break the blood- brain barrier.

brain barrier. What does it mean to break the blood-

What does it mean to break the blood- brain barrier?

brain barrier? We have a barrier that stops everything

We have a barrier that stops everything that is harmful, and these two compounds

that is harmful, and these two compounds cross that barrier. Moreover, hiscidin,

cross that barrier. Moreover, hiscidin, an amino acid found in the highest concentration in

an amino acid found in the highest concentration in beef, also crosses this barrier, but

beef, also crosses this barrier, but hiscidin has a very

hiscidin has a very beneficial effect. However, glutamate and

beneficial effect. However, glutamate and aspartame have a very negative effect.

aspartame have a very negative effect. Glutamate is a neurotransmitter,

Glutamate is a neurotransmitter, so it causes a child who, for

so it causes a child who, for example, eats food with added

example, eats food with added glutamate, and I recently found

glutamate, and I recently found products that contain 10%

products that contain 10% glutamate,

glutamate, only 10%, the child is agitated,

only 10%, the child is agitated, cannot concentrate,

cannot concentrate, so what? ADHD

so what? ADHD ADHD ADHD may be the reason for this,

ADHD ADHD may be the reason for this, the result of this.

the result of this. And why is monosodium glutamate

And why is monosodium glutamate packed there? the palatability of the product.

packed there? the palatability of the product. Aha, so that it would be tastier.

Aha, so that it would be tastier. That's why monosodium glutamate goes.

That's why monosodium glutamate goes. Good. If we have proteins

Good. If we have proteins plus hydrocolloids that bind water, because water

plus hydrocolloids that bind water, because water is the cheapest ingredient in food,

is the cheapest ingredient in food, generally the protein content in food products

generally the protein content in food products

has decreased by half compared to the times before the transformation, then such diluted proteins

then such diluted proteins have neither appearance nor taste, so they need to be

have neither appearance nor taste, so they need to be colored, flavored, and colored, and

colored, flavored, and colored, and that's why additives are used to adulterate

that's why additives are used to adulterate food.

food. Hydrocolloid.

Hydrocolloid. Hydrocolloids are polysaccharides that

Hydrocolloids are polysaccharides that bind water. Soy can be treated as a hydrocolloid

bind water. Soy can be treated as a hydrocolloid . These soy concentrates. 1

. These soy concentrates. 1 g of soy binds 10 g of water. 1 g of locust bean gum

g of soy binds 10 g of water. 1 g of locust bean gum , guar gum, Delan gum and

, guar gum, Delan gum and a dozen others binds 10 g of water. And it

a dozen others binds 10 g of water. And it needs to be seasoned, refined, and

needs to be seasoned, refined, and aromatized, otherwise it would be

aromatized, otherwise it would be inedible.

inedible. So, in fact, to some extent,

So, in fact, to some extent, producers use these additives to give us a

producers use these additives to give us a better taste experience.

better taste experience. Exactly. But at the expense of

Exactly. But at the expense of nutritional value and that is the trap.

nutritional value and that is the trap. I had students in the so-called

I had students in the so-called macro-field.

macro-field. These were young people who were

These were young people who were preparing for quality management systems

preparing for quality management systems in meat processing from different

in meat processing from different departments, from three different departments, and

departments, from three different departments, and they had it encoded that additives were great.

they had it encoded that additives were great. I didn't know how to convince them.

I didn't know how to convince them. And they were given 100 products to evaluate, and when

And they were given 100 products to evaluate, and when they made a ranking in terms of

they made a ranking in terms of sensory quality,

sensory quality, so that they could remember, each one wrote separately.

so that they could remember, each one wrote separately. And then they assessed the same products for

And then they assessed the same products for nutritional value. Of course,

nutritional value. Of course, in a simplified way, taking into account only

in a simplified way, taking into account only protein. Well, protein is a carrier of

protein. Well, protein is a carrier of vitamins, minerals,

vitamins, minerals, trace elements, so even though it

trace elements, so even though it was fraught with error, they

was fraught with error, they did it anyway. And then for an hour they didn't

did it anyway. And then for an hour they didn't know what conclusions to write. I

know what conclusions to write. I say no, the simplest one possible, because it

say no, the simplest one possible, because it is inversely proportional. What I'm talking about is

is inversely proportional. What I'm talking about is coming to good conclusions.

coming to good conclusions. So you want to tell me that the

So you want to tell me that the sensory value is inversely

sensory value is inversely proportional to the nutritional value.

proportional to the nutritional value. So what? The less something tastes, the healthier it

So what? The less something tastes, the healthier it

usually is. Yes. But we are not talking about expired and inedible food. Well,

expired and inedible food. Well, yes. Simply broken.

yes. Simply broken. Broken.

Broken. So what about these extras? You can, I

So what about these extras? You can, I don't know, put pressure on producers

don't know, put pressure on producers to have fewer of these additives. It

to have fewer of these additives. It ended tragically. Ms. Katarzyna

ended tragically. Ms. Katarzyna Bosacka from Doktor Zdrówko took action, a

Bosacka from Doktor Zdrówko took action, a great action under the slogan "We are shortening

great action under the slogan "We are shortening labels," and when I bought

labels," and when I bought meat in the store,

meat in the store, wrapped in foil, of course, the label

wrapped in foil, of course, the label listed all

listed all the ingredients of the marinade. So when the

the ingredients of the marinade. So when the campaign started, food law regulations were changed

campaign started, food law regulations were changed and it was established that

and it was established that if something is used in quantities

if something is used in quantities below 2%, they do

below 2%, they do not have to disclose it.

not have to disclose it. It doesn't exist. I understand,

It doesn't exist. I understand, it doesn't exist.

it doesn't exist. And that's why the NIKU report from 2018 or 19

And that's why the NIKU report from 2018 or 19 was very optimistic. It

was very optimistic. It turned out that the average Pole

turned out that the average Pole eats only about 2 kg of additives per year

eats only about 2 kg of additives per year . But

. But no such research had been conducted in Poland before. In Great

no such research had been conducted in Poland before. In Great Britain and the United States, it has been shown that

Britain and the United States, it has been shown that each person eats about 4 kg per year. So in

each person eats about 4 kg per year. So in this way we are simply being

this way we are simply being deceived. By the way, some

deceived. By the way, some additives that are obtained from

additives that are obtained from natural raw materials such as modified starch,

natural raw materials such as modified starch,

green dye, chlorophyll. All natural dyes obtained from carotenoids are

natural dyes obtained from carotenoids are

recognized as food ingredients and are not marked with the letter E, so the number has been reduced by

marked with the letter E, so the number has been reduced by half. We

half. We really don't know what we eat.

really don't know what we eat. We don't know what we eat. Although we should

We don't know what we eat. Although we should be aware of this. So I understand that the

be aware of this. So I understand that the first step

first step to being healthy is knowledge.

to being healthy is knowledge. Yes, knowledge.

Yes, knowledge. Exactly. Exactly. This means we need to

Exactly. Exactly. This means we need to carefully check what we consume.

carefully check what we consume. You can't do it unconsciously,

You can't do it unconsciously, you can't do it mechanically, and you can't be

you can't do it mechanically, and you can't be guided by all the advertisements

guided by all the advertisements we see in the media.

we see in the media. This means that Poles are starting to become wiser when it comes to advertising

This means that Poles are starting to become wiser when it comes to advertising , because just 10 years ago, 85% of

, because just 10 years ago, 85% of Poles believed in advertising, and now it

Poles believed in advertising, and now it 's a little over 60%. In Scandinavia,

's a little over 60%. In Scandinavia, never more than 40% of people believed

never more than 40% of people believed in advertising. And these 40% were probably not

in advertising. And these 40% were probably not native Scandinavians, but

native Scandinavians, but immigrants.

immigrants. But as I listen to you, it seems to me

But as I listen to you, it seems to me that the key to all this is

that the key to all this is changing habits. So it's a matter of

changing habits. So it's a matter of willpower of each of us. Am I

willpower of each of us. Am I thinking correctly?

thinking correctly? Because we decide what we eat.

Because we decide what we eat. Exactly.

Exactly. To make decisions, we need

To make decisions, we need knowledge. Well, yes, but there is

knowledge. Well, yes, but there is no nutritional education in our country.

no nutritional education in our country. Would you introduce this education starting from

Would you introduce this education starting from kindergarten or primary school?

kindergarten or primary school? Exactly. except that we should follow the

Exactly. except that we should follow the path that brothers and sisters follow, because

path that brothers and sisters follow, because in 2010, just before Covid, I

in 2010, just before Covid, I participated in an expert panel

participated in an expert panel that assessed the diet proposed for

that assessed the diet proposed for children and adolescents. Well, it's good that

children and adolescents. Well, it's good that I didn't have a heart attack,

I didn't have a heart attack, because on a large plate divided in half, half of

because on a large plate divided in half, half of it was made up of various kinds of vegetables

it was made up of various kinds of vegetables and fruits. There were 40% fruits and 60% vegetables.

and fruits. There were 40% fruits and 60% vegetables. As a source of protein, there were

As a source of protein, there were chickpeas,

chickpeas, bean sprouts,

bean sprouts, soybeans

soybeans and a fish head.

and a fish head. There was no meat there at all, no butter

There was no meat there at all, no butter at all,

at all, and there was rapeseed oil, as it is

and there was rapeseed oil, as it is supposedly our national treasure.

supposedly our national treasure. This plate full of health, as it was

This plate full of health, as it was called,

called,

was treated critically by all the participants of this panel, sorry, except for one person

one person , because this diet did not meet the

, because this diet did not meet the child's need for

child's need for protein, for vitamins, it did

protein, for vitamins, it did not meet the need for

not meet the need for healthy fats, without which the gray

healthy fats, without which the gray cells cannot function, for

cells cannot function, for phospholipids.

phospholipids. However, one person was satisfied and

However, one person was satisfied and stated why a glass of

stated why a glass of rapeseed oil is recommended. You could

rapeseed oil is recommended. You could have a heart attack here. One glass of

have a heart attack here. One glass of rapeseed oil a day, because the

rapeseed oil a day, because the transformation of omega-3 alpha

transformation of omega-3 alpha linolenic acid occurs at 4%.

linolenic acid occurs at 4%. So, in order for the body to

So, in order for the body to produce enough long-chain

produce enough long-chain hexa-linolenic acid, you need to drink

hexa-linolenic acid, you need to drink one glass of rapeseed oil. The

one glass of rapeseed oil. The chairman of this panel asked

chairman of this panel asked why not two.

why not two. And that's how it works.

And that's how it works. Professor,

Professor, any final words of optimism?

any final words of optimism? Where do you see

Where do you see hope? Where is hope? The fact that

hope? Where is hope? The fact that young people are taking up these problems, the fact

young people are taking up these problems, the fact that brothers and sisters are working together, the

that brothers and sisters are working together, the lady supports them,

lady supports them, of course,

of course, a lot of dietitians are working and generally the

a lot of dietitians are working and generally the only chance is to make people aware,

only chance is to make people aware, because none of the governments has ever

because none of the governments has ever taken up this issue.

taken up this issue. None of the ruling teams, no

None of the ruling teams, no health minister has ever been interested in

health minister has ever been interested in prevention.

prevention. But will we have agriculture and

But will we have agriculture and our own agricultural products? I don't know,

our own agricultural products? I don't know, I dare say I doubt it. So agriculture is

I dare say I doubt it. So agriculture is absolutely the

absolutely the basis of food security.

basis of food security. No, this is the basis of the

No, this is the basis of the country's sovereignty, because if

country's sovereignty, because if food production is monopolized,

food production is monopolized, prices will be dictated in a

prices will be dictated in a completely arbitrary way.

completely arbitrary way. So, excuse me, we should throw

So, excuse me, we should throw ourselves into a rage and do everything we can to

ourselves into a rage and do everything we can to prevent this agreement with

prevent this agreement with Markosur from coming into effect.

Markosur from coming into effect. I think that the scientific community should

I think that the scientific community should mobilize, but I

mobilize, but I don't know how to

don't know how to mobilize them. The National Institute of

mobilize them. The National Institute of Public Health should check after how many

Public Health should check after how many days beef is no longer edible.

days beef is no longer edible. And importing an inedible product

And importing an inedible product means importing all kinds of diseases.

means importing all kinds of diseases. After all, our healthcare system

After all, our healthcare system is no longer functional. is in increasingly

is no longer functional. is in increasingly worse condition. Do

worse condition. Do you think that if these ideas of the brothers and

you think that if these ideas of the brothers and sisters were implemented, if the

sisters were implemented, if the dietary recommendations were changed, there would be

dietary recommendations were changed, there would be absolute progress in terms of

absolute progress in terms of medicine and health care, that is, there would

medicine and health care, that is, there would be fewer chronic diseases, at least half as many

be fewer chronic diseases, at least half as many

cancers, at least half as many neurological and

many neurological and neurodegenerative diseases.

neurodegenerative diseases. After all, a person suffering from Parkinson's or

After all, a person suffering from Parkinson's or Alzheimer's, and these people are ill for years,

Alzheimer's, and these people are ill for years, is a horror for the entire family. I'm

is a horror for the entire family. I'm leaving aside these enormous costs, but

leaving aside these enormous costs, but no one has any interest in that. Why are

no one has any interest in that. Why are aluminum compounds added to flour used to

aluminum compounds added to flour used to bake bread?

Aluminum accumulates in the brain.

Aluminum deposits have been found in people with Alzheimer's disease. It doesn't come out of thin air. only from food.

come out of thin air. only from food. And what my brothers and sisters propose

And what my brothers and sisters propose is brilliant, because we eat very little

is brilliant, because we eat very little nutritious food. We don't waste

nutritious food. We don't waste time on five or six meals. We eat

time on five or six meals. We eat two specific meals, and at a certain age

two specific meals, and at a certain age even one is enough. Well, young people have to

even one is enough. Well, young people have to eat more often and more because they have to grow, they

eat more often and more because they have to grow, they have to gain muscle, they have to develop bone tissue

have to gain muscle, they have to develop bone tissue . And for children, we

. And for children, we recommend 1/3 of the amount of protein

recommend 1/3 of the amount of protein that is needed for health.

that is needed for health. Professor, thank you very much for this

Professor, thank you very much for this conversation. We could talk and

conversation. We could talk and talk, but at this point it's time to

talk, but at this point it's time to say goodbye, finally.

say goodbye, finally. We are waiting for a reaction. We're just waiting for

We are waiting for a reaction. We're just waiting for our viewers' reaction. We are waiting for

our viewers' reaction. We are waiting for the reaction of these decision-makers, who may

the reaction of these decision-makers, who may listen to our conversation and perhaps

listen to our conversation and perhaps draw some conclusions. And let's remember

draw some conclusions. And let's remember what you said, it's the

what you said, it's the most important thing. Awareness and knowledge.

most important thing. Awareness and knowledge. If we have awareness and

If we have awareness and knowledge, I think we will be healthier. And

knowledge, I think we will be healthier. And this is probably not some revolutionary

this is probably not some revolutionary idea, obvious.

And that's why, despite the PESEL problems, I get involved and support

problems, I get involved and support everyone who understands what the

everyone who understands what the problem is, and I'm glad that

problem is, and I'm glad that the number of such people is growing,

the number of such people is growing, but we absolutely cannot count on those in power

but we absolutely cannot count on those in power . There have been several

. There have been several

food adulteration operations. Cookies made with the worst margarine for small

worst margarine for small children were much more expensive in Poland than in

children were much more expensive in Poland than in France. The same ones made with

France. The same ones made with butter. The Hungarians knew how to protest, the

butter. The Hungarians knew how to protest, the Czechs knew how to protest.

Czechs knew how to protest. Our government kept a low profile.

Our government kept a low profile. We hope that Polish politicians will be

We hope that Polish politicians will be brave

brave until then. More courageous.

until then. More courageous. Thank you very much. Professor Grażyna Cichosz,

Thank you very much. Professor Grażyna Cichosz, food technologist, specialist in

food technologist, specialist in health safety, food and

health safety, food and nutrition, was a guest of Rymanowski Live.

nutrition, was a guest of Rymanowski Live. Thank you very much. Thank you also to

Thank you very much. Thank you also to all of you. Please feel free to

all of you. Please feel free to comment, like and

comment, like and subscribe to my channel.

subscribe to my channel. Thank you very much. See you.

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