1:03 right however everybody that's joined uh
1:07 on our new local plan webinar
1:12 um this webinar is produced to the
1:15 latest stage uh in the preparation of
1:17 the greater Cambridge local plan
1:19 uh we try and do webinars each time
1:22 there is a significant event in our plan
1:24 making process you may recall and find
1:27 on a website we did a number of webinars
1:31 on the topics for the local plan uh
1:33 where we consulted on the first
1:35 proposals
1:37 um around a year ago
1:39 and this is an update having just
1:42 published a report on the next steps for
1:45 our plan that's currently being
1:46 considered by members
1:48 um we're going to go through uh our
1:50 presentation to take you through the
1:53 content of those reports to really
1:55 describe what they're doing and what the
1:58 next steps is for our local plan
2:01 you should also find on the webinar
2:04 there will be a q a
2:06 where you can post questions to us and
2:11 once we've completed the presentation we
2:14 will try and answer some of your
2:15 questions uh which you put to us live on
2:18 the webinar
2:19 and if not we'll also try and pick up
2:20 some of the questions and add to our
2:22 FAQs on the website as well
2:26 so first of all I'm going to introduce
2:27 myself and my team I'm John Dixon the
2:31 planning policy manager for the greater
2:32 Cambridge planning service I'll ask my
2:34 team if they introduce themselves
2:36 starting with Caroline hunt
2:41 good afternoon everyone I'm Caroline
2:43 handtime strategy and economy manager uh
2:46 working with John on leading for the
2:48 local plan
2:52 and Stuart hi I'm Stuart Morris I'm a
2:56 principal policy officer working in John
2:57 and Caroline's team
3:01 Jenny
3:10 now we've lost Jenny at the moment uh
3:12 Nancy
3:13 hello my name is Nancy Kimberly and I'm
3:16 a principal planning policy officer
3:19 um we've got Simon as well on the call
3:22 I'm assignment I'm the communications
3:25 and engagement lead
3:29 thank you uh Jenny unless you can pick
3:31 up I'm going to move on Jenny is one of
3:32 our principal officers who's worked on
3:34 the report as well
3:38 um right well we'll move straight on to
3:40 the presentation but we won't ask the
3:42 questions we go through feel free to add
3:44 to the Q a
3:46 so
3:49 um
3:50 first of all it's worth reminding
3:52 everybody where we are in our plan
3:55 making journey and the Journey's been
3:57 going on for some time
3:59 we started uh work on our local plan in
4:03 2019 uh this followed the adoption of
4:07 the Castle's current plans which were
4:08 adopted in 2018 at that time it was
4:11 agreed that due councils of Cambridge
4:13 and South Cambridge should work together
4:16 and produce a single joint plan for the
4:20 green to Cambridge area
4:23 and we started that process in 2019
4:25 we're going out and talking with
4:27 um stakeholders parishes consultees
4:30 about the sort of issues that our plan
4:33 should be addressing what were the
4:34 things it needed to look at in Greater
4:36 Cambridge
4:38 and this led us to our first major
4:41 public consultation
4:43 on the first conversation in January
4:46 February 2020
4:49 and that really focused on the issues
4:53 that we felt were particularly relevant
4:55 to the plant had started to shape those
4:57 themes
4:58 and look at the options we could use to
5:01 address those and you'll recall you did
5:04 a huge number of events uh in public
5:06 going around the districts uh we held
5:09 our big conversation event in the
5:11 Cambridge Court exchange and this
5:13 resulted in thousands of comments uh
5:17 talking about how we should shape the
5:20 local plan
5:22 uh we then published
5:26 um various bits of evidence
5:28 on
5:31 um where the plan was going uh and the
5:35 key evidence that would inform it
5:37 and this led to the next consultation
5:39 which we held in November and December
5:43 2021 and this was called our first
5:46 proposals
5:48 and this plan consultation was able to
5:52 say specifically what at that time we
5:56 considered the needs were that the plan
5:58 needs address so in terms of homes and
6:00 jobs and infrastructure and so on
6:03 um it identified proposals as to what
6:06 sites the councils felt should be used
6:09 to meet those development needs and a
6:13 range of policies that will be used to
6:15 guide how that development would take
6:18 place it was accompanied by
6:21 um a library of evidence which looked
6:25 into the various topics the plan was
6:27 addressing we tested the hundreds of
6:30 sites suggestions that have been put to
6:32 us at that point to guide that
6:36 consultation all those documents are
6:38 very much still present in the library
6:41 on our local plan
6:43 uh the web page
6:46 again we got many thousands of comments
6:50 from uh Parish castles resident
6:52 Association consulties and many many
6:54 members of the public
6:57 and I get all those results are
7:00 available to view on our website we
7:03 reported the findings to members of both
7:06 councils in the summer last year and
7:08 we've been exploring those issues raised
7:11 ever since
7:14 when we reported those results we said
7:18 um that we would come back to members in
7:21 January
7:22 and that we would bring back updated
7:24 evidence regarding our needs for homes
7:27 and jobs that we had committed to look
7:28 at in order to explore issues like the
7:32 impact of the covid pandemic and making
7:34 sure you had the most up-to-date
7:36 information and they would we would um
7:39 provide more information on the
7:40 direction we were taking with our
7:41 strategy and that's the reports we're
7:43 looking at today now this isn't a public
7:46 consultation stage
7:48 this is all about helping us with our
7:50 journey and being transparent about how
7:52 we are preparing the plan
7:55 all the information we've prepared and
7:59 the process we're going through will
8:00 inform
8:02 the draft plan that we are now going to
8:04 prepare
8:07 um The Next Step will be consultation on
8:10 a draft plan in the Autumn this year
8:14 and at that point will be the chance for
8:16 people to comment on the eventual
8:19 updated proposals and a full draft plan
8:22 as to what needs we think exist
8:25 how the shipping met and the policies
8:27 that would guide them so that will be
8:29 the next chance to really put in
8:30 comments on the local plan the evidence
8:33 we're talking about today
8:35 now the plan making program is quite
8:38 long they always take quite a long time
8:40 they're very complex plans to produce
8:42 that involve an awful lot of public
8:44 consultation
8:46 once the draft local plan has been
8:49 consulted on this year again the
8:51 councils will look very much into all
8:53 the comments and respond to all issues
8:55 received
8:56 but we will move on to having a
8:58 consultation on the plan that the
9:00 councils want to adopt so the proposed
9:03 submission plan
9:04 now that's going to be we anticipate in
9:07 2024 there's a bit of a Time Gap there
9:10 because
9:12 um one of the issues we need to await
9:14 the outcome of is the planning process
9:16 that is underway looking at relocation
9:19 of the Cambridge wastewater treatment
9:21 works which we'll pick up more on later
9:24 in the presentation
9:26 so again that proposed submission stage
9:28 there'll be a chance to comment and
9:30 those comments will be considered uh
9:32 through an examination when the go when
9:35 the councils submit the plans just to
9:37 the government to say they want to adopt
9:39 them there's an examination where an
9:40 independent inspector
9:42 will explore the issues raised in those
9:44 comments and it's the job of the
9:46 inspector to produce a report and
9:49 confirm whether the plan is sound and
9:51 can be adopted by the castles
9:54 so you can see we're significantly into
9:56 the process but we've still got a fair
9:58 way to go before we get to an actual
10:01 adoption of a plan
10:04 just to remind on the contents of that
10:08 plan what is has become very clear
10:10 through this process
10:12 and the consultation we've done so far
10:14 is the plan is taking a really strong
10:16 shape around a series of big themes
10:21 and those are climate change
10:23 biodiversity and green space well-being
10:25 and social inclusion and great places
10:29 and those themes reflect
10:32 um the priorities of the councils in and
10:35 their objectives
10:36 but also would be used to very much
10:38 shape how we deliver the homes jobs and
10:42 infrastructure that the area needs so
10:45 whilst we're focusing very much today on
10:48 I guess strategic issues
10:50 around homes and jobs and the overall
10:53 key sites it's important to remember
10:55 there is still a wider plant or very
10:57 much shape around those seams to make
10:59 sure we look at all aspects of
11:00 sustainability and how we develop the
11:02 area
11:06 this particular report that we're going
11:08 to go through today
11:11 um reports on the updated evidence that
11:13 we've commissioned on the need for jobs
11:16 and homes in the area
11:18 we then explore the provision of
11:21 employment and housing so the
11:22 implications of that new evidence
11:25 are the reports seek to confirm
11:27 development strategy principles that
11:29 would guide how those needs are met
11:31 and then we really use this report to
11:34 confirm some of the key building blocks
11:36 for the plan in terms of the key sides
11:38 and at that point I'll hand over to my
11:41 colleague Caroline hunt who will take
11:42 you through the remainder of the
11:44 presentation on those on those sections
11:49 thank you John um I'm hoping you're
11:51 going to be able to hear me okay I seem
11:53 to be having some connection
11:54 difficulties today
11:56 um but I'm keeping my fingers crossed
11:58 that you'll be able to hear me okay I'm
12:00 also going to leave my camera off and to
12:03 try and Max my broadbands for my for my
12:06 sound
12:07 um so when we prepare a local plan uh
12:11 our starting point is the uh National
12:13 planning policy framework produced by
12:16 government that sets the context for all
12:18 all plan making around the country
12:22 um and it's very clear that councils
12:24 have to have a clear understanding of
12:26 their objectively assessed need for
12:28 housing and other uses in in their area
12:31 and to look to address those needs over
12:34 the plan period unless they're a really
12:36 significant adverse impacts of doing so
12:40 that would outweigh the benefits of
12:42 Meeting those needs so that's our
12:44 starting point
12:46 the first proposals
12:48 um
12:49 included evidence from specialist
12:52 Consultants into the forecast jobs and
12:56 homes needs uh
12:59 in the area as as forecast at that at
13:02 that point in time
13:04 the data was ahead of the covid pandemic
13:09 and we were really Keen to make sure we
13:12 kept that
13:14 to date so we we have looked to
13:17 update that that evidence for this this
13:21 stage and for the draft plan
13:24 at the time of the first proposals we uh
13:28 included a Target to meet housing needs
13:31 in full and included the sites to meet
13:33 them so you start with your needs and
13:36 then you work out what your target
13:37 should be and we also included a 10
13:40 buffer to give greater confidence that
13:43 those needs would be met during the plan
13:45 period because circumstances can can
13:48 change
13:49 but we were also very clear that those
13:51 proposals were contingent on there being
13:53 no unacceptable harm to the environment
13:56 particularly the water environment
13:57 because we were aware that was a
13:59 significant issue in this area and I'll
14:03 say more about that
14:05 um
14:05 shortly
14:07 but looking first at the uh need for
14:11 homes and jobs
14:12 uh we started as as all plans do with
14:17 understanding what the minimum number of
14:20 homes that we need to plan for using
14:23 government's standard method
14:25 it is described as a minimum need
14:29 um uh and you then have to look and see
14:31 whether there are reasons why you would
14:33 do something different than meet the
14:35 standard method number of homes
14:38 so the approach that was taken in our
14:41 evidence was to identify the standard
14:44 method number of homes but then to
14:45 understand the number of jobs that would
14:47 support
14:48 and it was very clear at that point that
14:51 the number of jobs supported by the
14:53 standard method homes calculation was
14:56 significantly less than the forecast
14:57 number of jobs uh that would come
15:00 forward
15:02 um
15:02 and there are consequences of of not
15:05 meeting your needs in full and we'll
15:06 we'll say a little bit about that that
15:08 shortly too
15:10 um so we also wanted to understand the
15:13 number of homes that would be needed to
15:15 actually support the forecast number of
15:17 jobs uh so that's the approach we took
15:21 in terms of the numbers that generated
15:25 um we
15:27 uh we have updated the standard method
15:31 calculation which is very similar a few
15:33 hundred uh difference only from the
15:37 standard method that supported the first
15:39 proposals
15:42 um and you can see that the standard
15:43 method uh updated in 2022 number of
15:47 homes
15:48 um supports of 37 000 supports just over
15:52 43 000 jobs
15:55 um at the time of our first proposals
15:57 the evidence was forecasting over 58 000
16:00 jobs coming forward in our plan period
16:02 between 2020 and 2041 and it now
16:06 forecasts that those the number of jobs
16:09 likely to come to the area is now rather
16:12 more from 8 000 more and now over 66 and
16:16 a half thousand new jobs in in that
16:19 period
16:22 um and this very much looks at
16:24 um uh understanding the impacts of covid
16:28 so whilst covid had uh led to a fall in
16:32 some population related jobs things like
16:34 retail food and accommodation arts and
16:36 Recreation and so on
16:38 um fall during the pandemic and then and
16:41 then arise
16:42 um expected
16:44 um to carry on through the plant the
16:46 plan period but what was really notable
16:49 is that there's been real resilience and
16:51 actually continued strong growth in the
16:54 investment LED and the entire knowledge
16:57 intensive sectors that are really
17:00 um really important in in the greater
17:02 Cambridge area particularly things like
17:05 ICT and Life Sciences we're all familiar
17:09 with
17:10 um
17:11 things like AstraZeneca coming to the
17:13 area having the welcome trust in in our
17:16 area and so on so a really important
17:18 area for the for those
17:20 um and and we also have a few more years
17:23 data than we had for our first estimates
17:25 and they really do show that there's
17:26 that strong demand uh still continuing
17:29 in in the area even through the pandemic
17:32 and so we think those forecast uh jobs
17:35 are
17:36 are likely to be uh
17:40 the most reasonable figures for for us
17:43 to use and that means that there's then
17:45 an increase in the number of homes that
17:47 we would need to provide to support
17:50 those jobs
17:53 um and uh that's an increase of over 7
17:57 000 on the first proposals
17:59 now it's important to uh to to remember
18:03 that we're not starting from scratch
18:05 here we already have our 2018 adopted
18:08 local plans that include a significant
18:11 number of Sites Big sites that will
18:13 continue to develop through our new plan
18:15 period so the likes of northstone water
18:19 beach near town now is uh with its
18:22 permissions some of the Fringe sites
18:24 still building out so Eddington in the
18:26 Northwest for example
18:28 um and and so on so we have over 37 000
18:31 homes already in our current Supply
18:36 and uh and the first proposals
18:39 identified over another eleven half
18:41 thousand
18:43 um more homes through through new sites
18:46 and and assumed acceleration of delivery
18:49 at northstone Water Beach based on our
18:52 our evidence
18:54 um so the if we were to meet these new
18:58 needs in full that's around another 8
19:01 000 or so uh more homes that would need
19:04 to be planned for to meet those needs in
19:06 in full
19:09 so thinking what's about the right
19:12 approach for the draft local plan
19:15 as I said the starting point is that
19:18 National
19:20 planning policy requires us to meet
19:22 those needs in full if that's possible
19:25 and appropriate but the next step will
19:28 be for the councils to understand
19:30 whether it is possible to do that in a
19:32 sustain with a sustainable and
19:34 deliverable plan that would meet those
19:36 needs in full
19:38 we know there are constraints around
19:40 water supply and I will talk about that
19:42 in a moment
19:44 um housing delivery is also quite an
19:46 important issue when you start to talk
19:48 about
19:49 um such
19:50 um
19:50 levels of of growth
19:54 um and also it's important that we
19:58 understand the consequences of not
20:00 meeting our needs in full because if we
20:02 don't and the economy continues to grow
20:05 as forecast
20:06 uh that could put added pressure on
20:09 affordability of housing which we know
20:11 is a really big issue in this area
20:13 already
20:15 and a more longer distance commuting
20:18 from outside of Greater Cambridge with
20:21 the climate impact that could have if
20:22 it's not by sustainable mode so we need
20:26 to make sure we understand in the round
20:28 uh before we land on a particular Target
20:33 for the plan so to be really clear
20:36 there's no decision at this time on what
20:40 the target for the plan should be that
20:43 will be something for the draft plan
20:44 later in the year
20:48 so looking at water a little bit further
20:51 um we know that water supply is a really
20:55 important issue in this area the health
20:57 of our chalk streams is a really key
21:01 issue
21:02 um members of those councils were
21:05 absolutely clear that water supply and
21:08 its environmental impacts was something
21:10 that was really important as I say the
21:13 first proposals will contingent on
21:14 understanding that there would would be
21:17 adequate water supply
21:20 um and and it was a really important
21:22 issue that came up in many many of the
21:24 comments to our first proposals
21:26 consultation
21:28 um it is an important issue because
21:30 water supply for great for greater
21:32 Cambridge is extracted from the chalk
21:34 aquifer that feeds those water courses
21:37 um and we know that there are already
21:39 issues so it's really important to
21:42 understand
21:43 how much and when and uh water supply
21:47 there will be and when uh increased
21:49 Supply will be available
21:51 so for the first time a regional Water
21:54 Resources plan has been prepared by
21:56 Water Resources East
21:59 that was published in draft for
22:01 consultation in November and that
22:03 consultation is still running until into
22:06 February
22:08 um
22:08 and it proposes two sources of
22:12 additional Supply to that will serve our
22:15 area
22:17 um a water transfer from Magnum Walters
22:20 area to the north
22:23 um by 2030 or maybe a bit earlier
22:26 and also a new Reservoir in the fence
22:30 um expected to be operating by 20 35 to
22:34 37 the regional plan says
22:38 so we know there's more water supply
22:40 coming
22:42 um but what we don't know at this stage
22:44 is what that looks like on a year by
22:47 year basis over our our plan period And
22:50 how that would compare to our first
22:52 proposals
22:54 um and indeed any additional growth that
22:56 might need to be planned to meet these
22:57 in the increased needs I I just talked
23:00 you through
23:03 greater level of detail will come in the
23:06 Water Resource Management plan that
23:08 Cambridge water will prepare the local
23:10 water companies have to provide their
23:12 own plans that set out in all detail how
23:14 they will meet needs in their particular
23:17 local area
23:19 that was due out alongside the regional
23:22 plan but has yet to be published so at
23:24 this point we don't know what Supply
23:27 there
23:29 will be and at what point in our in our
23:32 plan period so that's a key reason why
23:34 we're not at this point able to
23:37 um suggest a target for for the new plan
23:42 uh and that's something we're absolutely
23:44 going to need to look at in in detail
23:46 once that uh that plan is is published
23:49 for consultation
23:52 but even once you've looked at water
23:55 supply
23:57 it's important that your plan is a
23:59 deliverable plan there's no point in
24:01 having a plan with uh with allocations
24:04 to meet that need if if they simply no
24:07 realistic prospects of them being being
24:09 delivered
24:11 and we know that they're likely to be
24:13 constraints through the
24:15 earlier middle part of the plan period
24:17 but once the reservoir becomes
24:19 operational that will provide
24:22 significant quantums of water such that
24:25 it's less we're not anticipating at this
24:28 stage subject to that testing uh that
24:31 it's likely to continue to put a
24:32 constraint on the amount of development
24:36 but the market itself May provide a
24:38 constraint there will be limits to how
24:40 much housing the market will deliver
24:42 year on year in those last five or six
24:45 years of the plan period
24:48 so we commissioned some work from our
24:50 our Consultants to explore whether they
24:54 thought there was a prospect of
24:55 delivering those higher needs
24:58 um at the moment they're saying it's
25:00 just not clear whether that's possible
25:04 um
25:04 even setting aside the water supply
25:08 situation uh
25:12 we're likely to need a stepped housing
25:14 Target that increases as we go through
25:16 the plan period
25:18 um firstly once the plan is adopted and
25:21 new sites can come forward that's the
25:23 first
25:24 um
25:25 requirement before we can start to
25:27 deliver higher levels of growth towards
25:29 our Target and then we know that water
25:31 supply is likely to also put
25:34 um uh stages in in the plan once those
25:37 different levels of um the types of
25:40 water supply come forward so we expect
25:42 there to be a stepped housing trajectory
25:47 It also says our study also says that
25:51 um uh there there may be a need for
25:54 interventions into the market things
25:57 like could the councils deliver more
26:00 more housing
26:02 um can government through any of its
26:04 agencies assist with
26:06 um helping to provide more housing than
26:09 the market might do on on its own so
26:12 lots of things for us still to
26:13 understand as we start to develop the
26:16 draft plan
26:20 but what we are asking members to think
26:23 about in this in this report
26:26 um is the principles that would underpin
26:30 the development of the creation of any
26:31 development strategy
26:33 so the first proposals included
26:38 um some guiding principles to steer the
26:42 sites included in in that consultation
26:47 um and we think that they would provide
26:48 a good
26:50 a good starting point for considering
26:52 any further sites that might be able to
26:55 be supported by water and and delivered
27:00 in the plan period
27:03 and those
27:04 principles included things like being
27:07 located in areas where it would have the
27:10 least climate impact we're active in
27:12 public transport is a Natural Choice
27:14 where green infrastructure can be
27:16 delivered alongside new development and
27:18 where job services and Facilities
27:20 can be located there to where people
27:22 live and that all the necessary
27:24 utilities can be provided in a in a
27:26 sustainable way and we think those are
27:29 still good guiding principles for any
27:32 further development
27:36 so
27:38 what we do know is that with the
27:41 reservoir coming on stream towards the
27:43 latter part of the plan period there
27:45 will will be capacity for some new sites
27:49 beyond our first proposals sorry beyond
27:52 our current plans including some of the
27:55 sites that were identified in our first
27:58 proposals
28:00 um and we we say we're saying to members
28:04 that Northeast Cambridge
28:07 um and Cambridge East as the most
28:10 sustainable two sites within our uh
28:13 within our first proposals within the
28:15 area
28:16 um can and and should be confirmed as
28:19 part of the plan now
28:22 um that's partly to enable us to
28:25 um move forwards and develop though the
28:28 work towards the draft plan policies
28:30 but these are sites that also involve
28:33 relocation of significant infrastructure
28:36 so Northeast Cambridge is dependent on
28:39 and predicated on the relocation of the
28:42 water treatment works and that's
28:44 something Albion water are taking
28:46 forward through a development consent
28:48 order process
28:50 um and Marshall are looking to relocate
28:53 the airport to Cranfield and they've
28:56 also submitted a planning application so
28:58 giving confidence now to uh that these
29:01 sites were in the plan
29:03 um we we think would help those
29:05 infrastructure providers and
29:07 landowners to continue to move forward
29:10 with their proposals
29:13 and Cambridge biomedical campus is a
29:15 really important
29:17 um uh site for Life Sciences
29:20 um nationally and internationally as
29:22 well as locally
29:24 um and we think it's really important at
29:26 this stage to confirm that policies for
29:28 the biomedical campus will be included
29:30 within within the draft plan
29:33 um including so that our ongoing
29:35 discussions with them around improving
29:37 and creating a master plan to improve
29:39 the environment and functioning of that
29:41 of that area uh can continuously develop
29:44 the draft plan at this stage we're not
29:48 in a position to confirm whether a
29:50 Greenback release should take place but
29:52 we think further work is Justified to
29:55 continue to look into that possibility
30:00 so to summarize the uh reports and the
30:05 recommendations to members are to uh to
30:09 note the uh updated need for jobs and
30:12 homes and confirm that in principle we
30:15 should aim to meet them in full if
30:16 possible
30:18 uh we're not asking them just to
30:20 reiterate to agree a target for the plan
30:23 at this stage because we need to do more
30:25 work to understand what an appropriate
30:27 Target would be
30:28 uh but we are asking members to agree uh
30:32 the principles for guiding
30:34 um any sites beyond our current plans
30:37 including the first proposals and any
30:39 additional sites and we are asking them
30:42 to confirm the three key strategic sites
30:45 that I've just mentioned
30:49 um and in terms of the process
30:52 uh the report was considered and agreed
30:56 by Cambridge City council at its
30:58 planning transport scrutiny committee
31:00 last night and uh it has been considered
31:03 by South camps scrutiny and overview
31:05 committee uh last week and will be
31:08 considered by its cabinet on the 6th of
31:10 February
31:14 uh and then just then to confirm the uh
31:20 the next steps the draft plan that we're
31:24 developing to bring back
31:27 um an act of consultation later in the
31:29 year that will confirm a housing Target
31:33 it will have a strategy and the site to
31:36 meet
31:37 um meet those those needs was meant as
31:39 as much of them as is appropriate and
31:41 possible to do so we will have full
31:44 policies for the sites included in the
31:46 development strategy and the plan will
31:49 also include policies for all the key
31:51 themes that John mentioned at the outset
31:54 around climate change biodiversity Etc
31:57 and we will very much be out to public
31:59 consultation on that draft plan uh to
32:03 seek your views at that time
32:06 thank you
32:13 Thank You Caroline
32:14 um I should advise at this point
32:16 um we've been joined by an additional
32:18 panelist
32:20 um Stephen Kelly who is the uh director
32:23 of the shared planning service he was
32:25 waylaid earlier but he's not able to
32:27 join us for a discussion
32:30 um we have
32:32 and thank you very much for this
32:33 received a good number of questions now
32:35 through the Q a and if you'd like to
32:37 keep posting questions we'll do our best
32:40 um to get through as many as possible
32:42 but I think we'll we'll start at the top
32:45 and try and pass some of these around
32:47 the panelists so the first one uh really
32:51 focuses on a list of infrastructures to
32:54 go can you tell us if they'll be
32:55 sufficient
32:57 um electricity water gas schools doctors
32:59 uh old people's homes
33:02 and recreational facilities so perhaps
33:04 I'll turn to Stephen for this first one
33:06 on how do we plan to make sure there's
33:08 enough infrastructure
33:13 studies underway a that are exploring
33:16 all of those issues including cultural
33:18 assets and utilities of course one of
33:22 the central threads is understanding uh
33:24 through our engagement with those
33:25 providers what the housing number is
33:29 that everyone needs to plan for or the
33:31 population more particularly in terms of
33:33 jobs and homes that those providers need
33:36 to plan for but if you go online and
33:39 look at our the share planning Services
33:41 web pages on on local plan you will see
33:44 earlier studies that we've published at
33:47 earlier phases of this process and some
33:49 of the topic papers that hopefully give
33:51 you some reassurance that we are
33:52 continuing to explore and sense check
33:55 both in the context of changing
33:57 circumstances be it regulations or
33:59 indeed the environmental conditions in
34:02 the area
34:04 but part of where we will expect to get
34:08 to for the next situation of the plan is
34:11 a clear understanding further
34:12 understanding on some of those all right
34:17 I should put my headphones on hopefully
34:19 that's better is that better it's better
34:21 uh sorry about that
34:23 um uh but uh is a clearer position once
34:26 we've determined a number uh for that
34:29 population change on what the precise
34:31 infrastructure requirements may be and
34:33 and we will continue to keep that under
34:34 review
34:36 um having regard to deliverability
34:37 challenges uh and the way the supply
34:39 changes
34:41 thank you and there's significant work
34:43 going on isn't there Stephen as well
34:45 looking at particularly things like the
34:46 infrastructure and electricity grid um
34:49 with investment particularly south of
34:51 Cambridge as well so
34:52 and there's a lot of work going on I
34:54 think it's a fair a fair response
34:58 um
34:58 the next question is uh can we reduce
35:01 cars in Cambridgeshire um Caroline would
35:04 you like to pick that one up
35:10 thank you um
35:13 it's a really it's a really interesting
35:15 question
35:16 um
35:17 what we're keen to do through the um
35:20 through the local plan is to try and
35:23 ensure that we locate development where
35:27 where the
35:30 that where there is really good options
35:32 for people not to have to use their car
35:34 on a regular basis
35:37 um where there's good public transport
35:40 where there's good opportunities for
35:42 active transports you know cycling
35:44 walking and and so on
35:47 in terms of
35:48 what the planning system can do to
35:51 reduce the number of cars I think in
35:54 terms of new development we can we can
35:58 limit
36:00 um the amount of trips created for new
36:03 developments through things called trip
36:06 budgets where we can control the amount
36:08 of new uh new trips created by
36:12 development as for existing car levels
36:16 that that's a much wider
36:19 um wider issue and a real challenge
36:22 um something that for example the beta
36:25 Cambridge partnership is very much
36:26 looking at through some of its proposals
36:30 um including most recently its proposals
36:33 for making making connections to improve
36:37 bus transport and and through through a
36:40 congestion charge so I think there's a a
36:43 range of different
36:45 um different things that can be done
36:47 what we can do as the local planning
36:50 Authority is try to
36:53 um ensure that we're not
36:55 um
36:56 exacerbating problems of congestion and
36:58 that we're enabling people to move
37:01 around sustainably
37:03 um
37:04 through the way that we plan development
37:09 thank you
37:11 the next two questions really focus on
37:15 the work the councils do in terms of
37:17 testing sites which are put to us
37:20 so there's a question around Harry we're
37:23 receiving additional sites and have we
37:25 published information about new sites
37:27 put to us into the consultation
37:30 and then another question about are we
37:33 doing an updated
37:34 um housing and economic land
37:37 availability assessment so that's the
37:38 document title effectively for us
37:41 testing uh the proposals that are put to
37:43 us
37:45 um when we uh did the first proposals we
37:48 received uh a lot more sites information
37:51 on sites
37:53 um suggestions for things that you put
37:55 in the plan that was I see our third
37:57 call for sites so we did one uh back in
38:01 2019 where in fact we would go out and
38:02 say uh in the public domain
38:05 um have you got sites that we should be
38:07 aware of that are available suitable and
38:09 so on to consider as we're plan making
38:11 it's really important to give that
38:13 opportunity
38:14 um up front uh to ensure we have the
38:16 best information available
38:18 um when we prepare the plan
38:20 we then carried out effect the another
38:23 call for sites through our first
38:25 conversation
38:27 and then once again at our first
38:29 proposals
38:31 uh alongside
38:33 um the first proposals we'd already
38:34 published our review of the
38:37 I think it was seven or eight hundred
38:38 sites that had been put to us up to that
38:41 point
38:43 um
38:44 but we received uh I think I don't have
38:47 to think in front of me I think there's
38:48 about 40 brand new sites I had an input
38:51 to us previously
38:52 and further information or adjustments
38:55 to the proposals on about 180 more
38:59 slides
39:00 now all the sites are put to us are
39:03 mapped and available on our local plan
39:07 website there's interactive map which
39:09 you can zoom around and see the sites
39:10 that have been put to us and the
39:12 information that's put to us as well
39:14 uh we do now need to do an update to our
39:18 housing and economic Land Development
39:20 assessment because it's a responsibility
39:22 through plan making do we consider the
39:24 ideas and proposals put to us before we
39:27 come up with our plans
39:28 so we are actually you know testing the
39:31 additional sites put to us reviewing the
39:34 new information that we put to us and to
39:36 accompany the draft local plan there
39:39 will be an updated version of that study
39:43 now our Focus has to be at the moment
39:46 um the review of that large number of
39:49 sites that were put to us through the
39:51 first proposals so there aren't further
39:55 sites that are being that we're looking
39:57 at at the moment we are really focused
39:58 on getting through those proposals now
40:00 it's not the end of the story um there
40:02 will be opportunities again to put uh
40:04 proposals to us through that draft plan
40:06 consultation and usually through plan
40:08 making proposals are put to us and
40:10 information put to us right the way
40:12 through that consultation process that I
40:13 covered at the beginning but our focus
40:15 at the moment is really looking at those
40:17 proposals that are put to us
40:19 um from the first proposals consultation
40:24 um the next question is a question about
40:27 uh a phrase
40:30 um water neutrality
40:33 so if drought is a real problem this
40:36 region why isn't it a key aspect of our
40:38 plan
40:40 um that we need to be shaped by natural
40:43 England's concept of water neutrality
40:45 which is effectively not uh building
40:48 more development unless Water Supplies
40:51 isn't negative negatively affected now
40:54 when we had our scrutiny meeting with
40:56 Cambridge yesterday a similar question
40:58 was asked and therefore I'm going to
41:01 turn to Stephen Kelly who gave a very uh
41:03 clear response to that one yesterday
41:06 thanks Jonathan and I'll aim to be brief
41:08 this is a massive topic and a huge area
41:10 of ongoing work for the shared planning
41:13 service and the and the councils more
41:15 widely
41:16 um we will explore the the concept of
41:19 water neutrality but it isn't
41:21 necessarily A A Panacea because
41:24 um it it it requires an ability to be
41:27 able to uh in areas where we have un uh
41:29 engaged with those councils around water
41:31 neutrality
41:32 um the implementation of the effective
41:34 implementation of a effectively
41:36 improving the efficiency of existing
41:38 developments in order to be able to
41:41 permit further developments uh has some
41:43 delivery challenges but just to offer
41:45 some reassurance we we're absolutely
41:48 live to this issue we are working with
41:50 the environment agency and with them
41:52 through defra uh on um on the challenges
41:57 facing the area in terms of water supply
42:00 and with the water industry in terms of
42:03 the companies as to what can be what can
42:05 be done and and I suspect you'll hear a
42:07 lot more about this topic as we progress
42:08 through the through the year
42:10 thank you
42:12 Stephen
42:14 uh the next question is about Census
42:17 Data can you explain if the recent
42:19 census figures for this area came into
42:22 the calculation related need otherwise
42:24 how to calculate the number of jobs you
42:27 expect to come forward between 2020 and
42:30 2041 I'm Stuart would you be able to
42:32 pick this one up
42:34 absolutely thanks Ron so yes we did take
42:38 into account the Census Data so far as
42:40 it was available noting that lots more
42:42 census data is due to come out the key
42:45 point I guess was to identify that base
42:48 population 2020 is a key finding that
42:51 there was more people in Cambridge
42:53 particularly than had previously been
42:55 estimated and that didn't then inform
42:57 the population related sector growth
42:59 looking for the future
43:04 thank you the next question comes back
43:06 to
43:07 um the cover sites and the Healer
43:11 document so given that significant
43:13 increase the increased forecast
43:16 for local housing needs and
43:18 environmental constraints
43:20 that already affects some of the
43:21 emerging preferred site options will
43:23 there be a further call the site's
43:25 exercise to see where other sustainable
43:28 development opportunities exist within
43:30 the plant area so I'll pick this one up
43:32 because this related to that previous
43:33 question
43:34 um we really need to focus on that large
43:37 number of sites they've been put to us
43:38 through the exercises at the moment but
43:40 there will be opportunities to make
43:42 comments on the draft plan including
43:44 about site if you look at the the amount
43:47 of data we've received on sites and the
43:50 sheer number we've looked at and the
43:52 area of coverage actually we have got a
43:54 pretty comprehensive assessment of site
43:57 opportunities across the area it doesn't
43:58 mean there won't be further process of
44:00 the process
44:01 but our evidence based on this issue uh
44:04 is comprehensive and we necessarily need
44:08 to focus on the information at the
44:09 moment we've received those three
44:11 significant call for science exercises
44:16 uh
44:17 next question is about Road capacity uh
44:21 do we have the road capacity the number
44:23 of bus drivers to cope with the number
44:25 of jobs
44:26 and I'll turn to Caroline on that one
44:29 first please
44:32 uh thank you and I think I've covered
44:36 that in part in my last comment around
44:39 um we're really looking through the
44:43 transport modeling that will support the
44:44 local plan to make sure that there is
44:46 appropriate capacity
44:49 um for trips that will be made by
44:52 whatever mode of of transport and we can
44:55 through a trip budget limit the amount
44:58 of trips by
45:00 um by private car
45:02 um I think the question around bus
45:03 drivers is is well made we know you know
45:07 that's an ongoing Challenge and
45:09 something that I think
45:11 um again greater Cambridge partnership
45:12 we're looking at very much through
45:15 um through the work they are doing as is
45:17 the combined Authority who is Consulting
45:19 on a bus strategy right now so I think
45:23 it's a very live issue
45:25 and there was a follow-up point in that
45:28 question about
45:30 um the carbon impact of development so
45:33 to accompany the first proposals
45:36 um we commissioned a significant study
45:39 into
45:40 um the climate change impacts our plan
45:42 and how we could develop policies
45:45 which would address
45:47 mitigation and adaptation to climate
45:49 change and that study very much
45:50 influenced the policies we proposed
45:54 in that consultation
45:57 um it really showed in that study
46:00 um there was a lot the councils could be
46:02 doing in terms of uh building standards
46:04 for example to make sure the carbon
46:05 impact of the energy we use uh was
46:08 addressed by making sure our buildings
46:10 are really high quality
46:11 but it also really showed that uh most
46:15 of the carbon impacts were about
46:16 transport and travel
46:18 uh hence why we focused so strongly on
46:21 those issues about the done strategy
46:23 which Caroline mentioned in response to
46:25 the the question earlier
46:29 um the next question is why are we
46:31 building on flood areas so perhaps Nancy
46:34 would you be able to mention the work we
46:35 do um to look at the sequential test and
46:37 working with our stakeholders and so on
46:39 to explore flood risk
46:40 yeah thank you John and so as part of
46:43 our evidence base we had Consultants
46:46 develop a strategic flood risk
46:48 assessment a level one study and as part
46:51 of the identification of sites within
46:53 the housing and economic land
46:55 availability assessment we had a sort of
46:58 sequential approach avoiding sites that
47:00 have got fluvial flood risk and surface
47:02 water flood risk as well so the sites
47:06 that we identified in the first
47:07 proposals are ones that have the least
47:10 kind of sequentially likelihood of
47:13 flooding and obviously as we move
47:16 forward with the strategy and look
47:17 further at the sites we'll continue with
47:20 that process and if any of the sites
47:22 have any sort of risk we might look
47:24 further into a more detailed sort of
47:27 level two strategic side risk assessment
47:30 and we're also working closely with the
47:32 environment agency on this as well
47:35 thank you
47:38 the next question is about relocation of
47:41 the Cambridge wastewater treatment works
47:44 um given the time it's taken to achieve
47:46 and the rate of inflation how will any
47:48 shortfall in available funding be met
47:50 and will this have impact on the
47:53 relocation um that's a tricky one I'm
47:54 going to turn to Stephen Kelly for this
47:56 one
47:57 thank you uh John the answer really at
48:00 the moment is we're not being advised
48:01 that there is there is inevitably cost
48:04 inflation in the in in that project uh
48:07 it's not we haven't yet been advised
48:09 that the project is unviable or
48:11 undeliverable as a consequence and it
48:13 will be for the promoters of the scheme
48:15 anglian water to
48:18 um justify and explain to an inspector
48:20 how the funding in place for the project
48:23 is sufficient to deliver the outcomes
48:25 that they're they're seeking but um we
48:28 haven't been advised that it's not yet a
48:30 viable project or account of these
48:31 inflationary pressures
48:33 thank you
48:36 um I'm going to turn back to Caroline
48:37 for this one because it was covered to
48:39 an extent in the presentation so water
48:41 transfer does that mean a new pipe and
48:45 from where Caroline
48:48 uh yes we understand that is uh that it
48:52 would be a new pipe uh coming from and
48:55 in Walters area we think from Grafton
48:57 water
48:59 um uh as as part of improving yes that
49:03 that that's intimate intermediate um
49:05 provision of water supply
49:08 thank you I'm going to turn back to you
49:10 for this one Caroline
49:12 um the plan period currently is to 2041.
49:16 but do we need to reconsider that as the
49:18 minimum plan period required by the
49:20 government's planning guidance is 15
49:22 years
49:25 it's 15 years on adoption so yes that is
49:28 something we keep under review as we
49:31 prepare on uh as we prepare the plan and
49:34 any updates we may need to make to our
49:36 local development scheme which is the
49:38 timetable for preparing the plan uh the
49:42 report to members does uh highlight that
49:44 we know we will need to update that that
49:48 scheme timetable
49:50 um because the wastewater treatment was
49:53 developmental consent order was it
49:55 anticipated when we wrote that in summer
49:57 last year to be submitted in the Autumn
50:00 and it hasn't yet been submitted so we
50:03 uh we know we will need to review that
50:06 once the dco is is submitted but we will
50:09 also need to keep the plan under under
50:11 review I think it's close at the moment
50:13 as to whether there'd be 15 years at the
50:15 end and on adoption but yes that's
50:17 absolutely something we keep under
50:18 review
50:21 thank you
50:22 the next question is about housing
50:25 affordability and and our affordable
50:27 housing houses affordable
50:30 so Cambridge house prices are staying
50:33 High
50:34 um
50:35 those at Marley those those at NEC will
50:39 not be as affordable to key workers such
50:41 as cleaners refuse collectors teachers
50:44 and so on
50:46 um we're not building enough houses
50:47 enough to affect the uh market price
50:50 even of rented accommodation
50:52 um Stephen if you've got a comment on
50:54 this one
50:55 I think so um I I think we're realistic
50:58 in in this space in that
51:01 um uh the ability to uh and I think the
51:04 the the the
51:05 narratives suggesting that building more
51:07 houses will reduce the price of housing
51:10 um are uh probably not uh entirely borne
51:14 out by facts and circumstances in areas
51:16 where that happens I think the
51:18 counterfactual though is that we know
51:20 that if we if we um maintain a
51:23 significant imbalance between supply and
51:25 demand recognizing uh the range of
51:27 affordable housing products that that
51:29 are coming forward and in fact
51:30 Caroline's comments earlier on about
51:32 deliverability and looking at uh not
51:35 just Market housing for sale as the
51:37 driver of of of the homes that we need
51:39 for precisely the points that you
51:40 highlight we know that if we do not um
51:43 attempt to try and address some of those
51:45 issues that Supply demand imbalance is
51:48 going to accelerate and continue to
51:51 accelerate
51:52 um house price
51:53 um uh inflation whether that's rental
51:55 values and competition as competition
51:57 inevitably drives that up and one of the
52:00 consequences for that will be as you
52:02 highlight teachers care assistance even
52:05 scientists and so on will end up being
52:06 priced out of Greater Cambridge and
52:09 we'll have to commute in from elsewhere
52:11 which has consequent impacts not only on
52:14 their well-being but also on the carbon
52:17 footprint of the growth that takes place
52:19 and that's not something members want to
52:20 support so with realists but I think we
52:24 have to ask a question about if we don't
52:26 um if we don't meet that need
52:29 um the very clear economic model is that
52:32 is that prices will continue to be
52:34 inflated above the national average and
52:36 and that's undesirable for for a number
52:39 of those reasons thank you
52:41 thank you Stephen
52:43 um we're getting a lot of questions in
52:44 we'll do our best to pick up some of
52:46 those in the fact that we don't get
52:47 through today on the website but we'll
52:49 probably go slightly quicker
52:52 um if the chalk streams are drying up
52:54 it's a clear sign of development needs
52:56 to be paused
52:59 um can we
53:00 stop development when our natural world
53:02 is telling us to stop well I'll pick
53:05 this one up very briefly I think the
53:06 whole purpose of us being cautious
53:07 around the availability of water and
53:09 seeking to understand and the issues
53:12 arising from the water plants really
53:14 shows that we do take the issue very
53:16 seriously there are significant steps
53:18 being taken to uh explore and address
53:21 the water issues including to reduce the
53:25 abstraction coming out of our chalk
53:27 crack versus the Vita chalk stream so
53:29 agree it's very important and we need to
53:32 carefully understand it but also we do
53:33 have responsibility to plan to meet
53:36 social economic and other needs as well
53:38 it's a real difficult balance but I'd
53:40 like to reassure we do take the water
53:41 issue extremely seriously
53:47 um
53:51 then there's a question I think looking
53:53 at Market absorption so one of the
53:54 issues picked up in the presentation was
53:56 about
53:57 um if can we deliver them of homes and
53:59 the question really is about should we
54:01 be modifying our spatial strategy
54:05 um for a greater distribution in order
54:07 to help deliver homes Caroline if you
54:10 want to pick that one up
54:15 Caroline's dropped off the call
54:18 Stephen
54:19 yes should I just cover this um yeah I
54:22 mean we have we have received this in
54:24 representations from um a number of site
54:26 promoters effectively saying
54:28 um that the way to increase housing
54:30 delivery would be to increase the
54:32 dispersal dispersal of homes Across The
54:35 Villages and
54:36 um into those areas where we're not
54:38 currently focusing the spatial strategy
54:40 on future growth the consequences for
54:42 that however is that although you
54:44 achieve increased deliverability We
54:46 Believe marginal increases in uh
54:49 delivery of of additional housing
54:51 um you exacerbate the climate challenges
54:53 that the the plan or strategy for growth
54:56 faces and you reduce the opportunity to
54:58 integrate and create new
55:01 communities with critical mass to
55:04 deliver the right infrastructure whether
55:06 it's health care or or education
55:07 infrastructure in in in accessible
55:10 walkable locations as well as the
55:13 opportunity to efficiently connect those
55:15 new places for growth such as our major
55:17 strategy teaching sites
55:19 to to places like the city with public
55:23 transport or sustainable public
55:25 transport options and that I'm by that I
55:27 mean financially sustainable as well as
55:29 environmentally
55:31 um efficient and and transformational so
55:34 um it is a it is a spatial option it's
55:36 it's fair to say it is a special option
55:38 we're highlighting in the principles
55:40 that the Committees have so far
55:41 considered in the last few days and
55:44 um endorsed uh that our principles are
55:47 focusing based upon the feedback we've
55:49 had through the local plan consultations
55:51 to date around concerns about place that
55:54 people have highlighted in terms of the
55:55 character of areas changing through such
55:57 incremental change
55:59 but also those environmental and
56:02 infrastructure and place credentials uh
56:05 that that point towards
56:07 the new settlements and the kind of more
56:10 concentrated growth strategy that we
56:11 that we have but it's an it's an option
56:13 that will no doubt be debated uh as part
56:16 of one of the spatial options as we
56:17 continue through this Journey thank you
56:20 I'm going to look for questions we
56:22 haven't really covered yet so one of the
56:24 questions is about are we going to be
56:26 working with neighboring authorities
56:28 about meeting needs so Caroline I know
56:30 you're back are you able to pick that
56:31 one up
56:34 uh yes I'll do my best I can't actually
56:36 read any of the questions but that was
56:38 short and straightforward so uh yes we
56:40 through the duty to cooperate uh have to
56:44 um have an obligation to engage with
56:46 with our neighbors and with key
56:48 stakeholders absolutely something we do
56:51 as a part of good plan making anyway so
56:54 um at each stage of plan making and in
56:56 and and regularly in between we are
56:58 engaging with with our neighbors uh to
57:02 explore issues of
57:05 um shed shed cross-boundary interest
57:08 both as we prepare our plan and indeed
57:12 as they prepare theirs so it's an
57:13 ongoing issue the report does say that
57:17 we will want to need to engage with our
57:21 neighbors if uh if our work shows that
57:24 we're not able to meet our need in full
57:27 that's a step we're required to go
57:29 through
57:30 um through National policy so it's a
57:32 very much an ongoing normal part of plan
57:36 making
57:38 thank you um there's a question that
57:42 asks about
57:43 um effectively are we planning for to
57:46 meet the needs of gypsum Travelers and
57:48 whilst it's not a part of this report uh
57:51 when we plan for housing we need to
57:53 address the needs across the board
57:57 really of all
57:58 um types and tenures of homes that are
58:00 needed and that does include planning
58:03 for Gypsies and travelers uh we are
58:06 still seeking to update our evidence of
58:08 that and we'll be seeking to explore in
58:10 the plan how those needs should be met
58:12 so whilst it's not a key part of the
58:15 current documents in front of us it
58:16 Still Remains an important issue that
58:19 will be addressed by the plan
58:23 um
58:24 East-West rail what are we doing about
58:26 that how's that affecting our plan
58:28 Stephen
58:30 we in the first proposals we identified
58:33 further growth at Camborne in the
58:35 context of
58:36 um uh the potential for a new station
58:38 there uh the East West rail company uh
58:42 have um after the governance
58:44 announcement in the Autumn about
58:46 continued commitment to that project are
58:48 in the process of I think reviewing
58:51 their position but have contacted the
58:53 councils to
58:56 indicate that they want to re-engage
58:58 around the East West rail proposals in
59:01 the in 2023
59:04 we will obviously do so but at this
59:09 stage in time thinking around the new uh
59:11 timetable which is which is in many
59:13 respects out of date from the
59:15 unachievable in terms of their published
59:17 solution we'll need to understand how
59:19 East-West rail if it is a continuing
59:21 piece of infrastructure interacts in
59:24 during the current plan period
59:29 so it's a conversation that we expect to
59:31 harden up in terms of in time for
59:34 further conversations in all the further
59:36 published plan in the
59:38 um summer next this year
59:41 thank you so we're due to finish in one
59:43 minute and it's fair to say we've got
59:45 more issues come in that we can answer
59:46 including a number of comments about
59:49 water so we will try and have a look at
59:52 those I hope you answered most of your
59:54 points on that for well try and address
59:56 any other issues through the fact I
59:58 guess one more question was related to
60:00 how we progressing work on Green Space
60:03 so green space and biodiversity
60:05 significant part of our consultation
60:07 Stuart can you pick this one up briefly
60:11 absolutely thanks John so we identified
60:14 um 14 strategic green infrastructure
60:17 initiatives as we called them for space
60:19 for people and wildlife in the first
60:21 proposals We are continuing to develop
60:24 that work so we've commissioned some
60:25 extra evidence from Consultants to
60:28 identify uh standards and specific
60:30 projects that we can put in the plan and
60:33 identify particular things and also
60:35 engaging with the relevant Partners to
60:37 make sure that projects coming forward
60:40 could be deliverable
60:42 thank you stupid I'm going to draw the
60:44 webinar to a close so we will endeavor
60:48 to uh look at our FAQs on our website
60:50 and add ad points uh by reviewing the
60:53 questions we've received and having me
60:54 able to answer if you have got any
60:56 questions on our website you'll find our
60:58 contact details including our our
61:00 contact email address I've said this is
61:04 very much not the end of the story for
61:05 the local plan we look forward to doing
61:07 a full public consultation uh later in
61:10 the year we'll be the chance to raise
61:11 issues and provide comments on all the
61:13 issues we raise and
61:16 um continue to engage and we'll have
61:17 future webinars as well but I'd like to
61:20 thank all the panelists that have been
61:21 answering your questions today most of
61:23 all thank you for the real a wide range
61:25 of really good questions that you've put
61:27 to us it's really good to see such
61:28 engagement from a whole raft of people
61:31 as we take the plan forward really
61:33 grateful so thanks very much for joining
61:36 um see you next time