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As we reach the 50 episode milestone on

the World Triathlon podcast, we get to

hear from a man who took 2021 by storm,

racking up an Olympic gold and silver in

Tokyo, a first World Triathlon Series

win, third place in the overall series,

and most recently a storming month of

Super League. It is, of course, Alex

Yei. Alex, how are you and where are you?

you?

>> I'm wonderful. Yeah, that was a a cool

intro. you don't really think about

what's happened this year until yeah

until you kind of finish the year and

you look back and you're like wow this

is yeah that was a pretty cool year and

uh yeah I'm in I'm in London at the

moment I'm at home I've visited a few

few schools over the last few days which

has been yeah really rewarding and I got

to go back to my infant school this

morning they done a little display and

just to see the the kind of glimmer in

the kids' eyes was was really cool and

yeah hopefully I can have a bit of an

impact maybe they'll be a bit more quiet

for their teacher today or literature,

>> which is Yeah. called

>> faster or Yeah.

>> Yeah. Exactly. Well, we did we did a

there's something called the daily mile

which is initiation to kind of keep kids

active and running and we did that that

mile together this morning and then the

kids had playtime straight away and I

looked out the of the the office where

all the teachers were and you could just

see the kids doing the same lap running

again. They probably ended up running

two miles, which is Yeah, it's just

super cool to to see them inspired and

and enjoying exercise and

>> and that kind of side of things, which

is Yeah. No, it's it's lovely that I can

kind of have that impact on my local community.

community.

>> You got a pretty good reception from

them then, did you?

>> How old infant mean? What What kind of

age are we talking?

>> Infant is between four years old to kind

of sermon years. So, you kind of real

start of education in the UK. And uh I

guess that's the time when uh kids are

not afraid to ask you the the hard

questions like how many times you fall

off your bike and how much money do you

make and those are the questions which I

really enjoy because they challenge you

and you have to find a find a way of uh

dealing with them and and making sure

you're involved. The school has a load

of values which they they wanted me to

involve in the assembly. So trying to

figure those in and

>> um yeah no I really enjoyed it. Um they

they keep you on your toes definitely

and um they all have a bit of bit of a

medal in their fingernails I think. So

>> it Yeah, exactly. It's not a medal as

much as it is mine.

>> Yeah. To be able to give have the sort

of immediate context of someone who was

at their school and has these medals and

but then also that things like that the

daily mile that immediately make the

kids think about those sort of

distances, right? And then they can

relate to the sort of distances people

are doing in triathons or in the Olympic

games and things that you know it's it's

it's all these little elements, isn't

it, to to sort of building up in their

heads what is actually possible for them

to do, not just what they see on a

telly. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Cuz uh we

finished doing the mile and and one of

the the teachers said, "Oh, that's how

far Alec pretty much how far Alex swims

in his races." And they were like, "Wow,

no way. That's amazing." And then when

they heard I did 40k of biking and 10k

of running, they were like, "That's all

right." So, it was really funny to see

that they um thought that the swimming

was the hardest thing and I was like,

"Yeah, me too. I agree with you." But,

uh, yeah, it was it was really amusing

and to see the kids kind of brains were and

and

>> yeah, no, it's it's just thrilling to to

be able to to have that impact

>> and it's great to have you on for our

half century and there's a lot to talk

about and great for our listeners to be

able to hear from you. It seems like you

don't necessarily do a huge amount of

podcasts. You've been doing obviously school.

school.

>> No. Yeah.

>> No, no, it's it's cool like um it's an

honor to be the 50th as well. Um,

>> well, I mean,

>> thank you for having me.

>> If if you Google Alex Ye podcast, don't

know if you've ever done that, but there

is an American Alex Yei who does a show,

a podcast called Racy Friendships, which

I immediately was like, hang on, is this

some sort of like triathlon offshoot

we've not heard about where our Alex Yei

is actually sort of doing some kind of

uh I don't know, sitcom with various

pals tuning in.

>> Yeah, bit secret. I'm afraid that's what

I'm into, but maybe in the future I'll

have a podcast. Um, >> yeah,

>> yeah,

>> but people might find me a bit boring. I

think I feel like I need a bit more

about me before I before I start doing

stuff like that. But yeah, I've really

enjoyed listening to them. So, um, yeah.

Uh, it's a pleasure to be on.

>> Brilliant. Well, I um I'd like to start

with the comingings and going in in

Tokyo and uh it feels in some ways a

long time ago and in some ways, you

know, kind of like yesterday as well

from not being certain of a place on the

team at all to to two Olympic medals and

and then everything from, you know,

coming so close in Edmonton and and the

Super League that, you know, that is an

incredible turnaround. Did the nature of

that kind of yin and yang as it were? I

suppose like the uncertainty to to just

absolute certainty of your kind of

ability all the more did that sort of

play in a bit to each one of those start

lines you were hitting and you were

feeling good and like a little bit of

was there a touch of invincibility

because that would be probably a bit too

much for your first your Olympic debut

but you know were there factors like

that that were all kind of clicking into

place that that gave you an extra

confidence? I think for me this year uh

I stood on the start line every time

with a purpose and I think that's been

the amazing thing about it. Um this year

is that I was able to stand in Yokohama

and I knew that was opportunity to race

the best I could and and then on on the

start line between me and Alistister in

leads it was um very much about racing

my own race and making sure I could get

the best out of myself and and yeah that

led on to kind of a bit of belief in

myself I think. Um uh it's always

when you're racing kind of your idols

and I was extremely lucky to have a

quick rise and 2019. Um, but there's a

difference between thinking you can do

it and actually doing it. And that first

race in Leads where I was able to put

together, in my opinion, my best swim,

bike, and run performance, I think made

me believe that, oh, right, I'm actually

I'm actually, yeah, good enough and I

can I belong in uh at the front of a

race and I I can pull turns and I can

mix it up and I can do those things. And

I think that belief um in yourself is

something which is is super important to

to stand on the start line and and

believe and for me I stood on the start

line with a purpose at at the first two

races of the year. But then on on the

Olympics that I actually stood on there

with a purpose but belief as well in

what I was doing and the complete

clarity that I I was able to prepare the

best I could in those uh months between

leads and and the Olympic and the

Olympic Games and yeah I came away with

a silver medal and for me I sat down

with my coach after and we agreed that I

I feel like I got everything out of my

body. Um and I'm really proud of that.

What what was different about your

mindset or the preparation then heading

into Yokohama that perhaps hadn't

happened before that was giving you that purpose?

purpose?

>> I think for me uh with everything I do,

everything has to have a purpose. I

think that's what motivates me. That's

what gets me out of bed is understanding

why I'm doing something and that it's

leading to me getting better. I think

for me, I'm really internally driven and

when you're in the winter months, there

are not things which are directly

measurable. It racing you can't compare

yourself to people. You don't know where

you're at. But for me, there's things in

training which I can directly compare uh

myself to. And whether that's really

small things like how many strokes I'm

doing per length or my stroke rate or a

time I do for 50 meters, um those things

for me are the things which really

motivate me and I think kind of transfer

into where I'm in competition. And uh

for me, I think I I was able in races to

just come back to the present and the

race because um for me, I'd always let

my mind wander and worry about what

other people were doing. But I found

this year I've been able to kind of

bring myself back to me and and worry

about kind of what I'm doing and make

sure that my strokes going well in the

water. I know where I'm at and I'm

showing the best line and I'm aware of

who's around me. Um and those things I

don't think I did so well in the

previous years. and I've been able to

kind of dial into that mindset and

that's allowed me to kind of get to the

run in the best possible position and

yeah be competitive throughout races I think.

think.

>> And it wasn't just I suppose getting to

April not certain of your your place on

the start list necessarily but it was

that that year delay as well obviously

to the whole games that perhaps made

that made the results you've had that

little bit more likely by virtue of what

you were able to to concentrate on

during that time off. you know, are

there are there specific like windows of

things you were working on during that

year, during that kind of downtime from

actual racing that you can attribute in

some way to to what's happened this year?

year?

>> Yeah, for me in 2020, I I think I'd

happily admit um that Alistister would

probably have gone ahead of me if there

was two slots in in the Olympics. And I

have complete um I'm at peace with that.

That would have been absolutely fine.

And I'm extremely lucky that although

the pandemic was an awful time, I I was

able to have that extra year of uh of

delay but also opportunity to train a

little bit more and be consistent. And

for me

um the lockdown gave me the clarity I

think most of all that I was doing it

doing triathon because I love triathlon

and I love the lifestyle and I really

just enjoy swimming, cycling and

running. And um I moved down with Olivia

Mafar as my girlfriend um to her parents

house and we found a way to swim, we

found a way to cycle, we found a way to

run even though we could only do one

thing outside each day. And um that kind

of hustle um I just loved and I really

enjoyed. And I think for me that was one

thing that that changed in me is that I

just had that complete clarity that I

just um love the lifestyle and I love

what I'm doing and I really want to I

really wanted to be back at competition

but at the same time I was just really

really enjoying just what I was doing at

the time I suppose. Yeah. You take the

racing the competition element away and

yet what you're wanting to do every day

is still figure out how you can get that

swim in, how you can get that bike and

running. Exactly. And it does it makes

it a sort of, you know, ticks all the

boxes of why you're why you're doing it

in the first place, I guess.

>> Yeah. For Yeah. For me, I've never

really had an opportunity. Well, apart

from my crash in 2017, I've never really

had that opportunity to to really ask

myself uh about it because you just go

through you find yourself going through

the motions so quickly and competition

winter goes past so quickly and

competition comes up so quickly that you

don't take a step back and be like, I

don't have to swim this morning. I don't

have to cycle this morning, but I want

to. and it's it's what I enjoy and I I

want to find a way to do it and I want

to get better and for me I think it's

led me to be quite internally driven and

I want to now for the future find what

my body's capable of doing and what I

can do as a person in myself um and if

that brings more success then amazing

but also I just want to find my limits

as a as a human being and and yeah be

able to to put on a show and and for

people to enjoy it and be inspired and

take up the sport. So I think yeah for

me that was real nice that I was able to

have the opportunity to uh to just yeah

well spend time with my girlfriend and

training with her and work hard with her

but then also yeah have that that

complete clarity in my mind.

>> Yeah to be able to do that with someone

you know with her must have been a big a

big help as well then. Yeah.

>> Oh it's massive because as much as I

said said that there you're you're human

there times when you find it hard to

wake up you find it hard to get out the

door. So to have a companion, a partner

in crime, it's it's I think it's it's

been so helpful for me and she's Yeah, I

should really cut my medals in half and

give well I should cut them in 100 and

give them to 100 people, I think. So but

yeah, I'm really really lucky.

So, as 2021 began and and um yeah, Yogan

was the first race there and like you

said, the you know, Johnny's place was

was sealed, there was an awful lot going

on in the background, you know,

discussions in various teams as well.

Certainly like GB wasn't the only one as

far as where those ex final places were

were going to go to. Um were you just

looking at it right, you're going to do

what you can do and in a sense let fate

fate take its course or were you I've

got that's got to be me. I've got to be

the second GB male. For me, um whether I

qualified for the Olympics or not, I was

always going to do

regard irrespective of what was going to

happen. My focus of the start of the

year was was leading Yokohama because I

was actually outside the top 30 as well.

But for the Olympic um ranking and for

those who don't know, you have to be in

the top three. you have to have three of

your nation's athletes in the top 30 to

qualify three athletes um for your

gender for the Olympics. Um so Tom and I

were both kind of on the points chaser

at the start of that year. Um but at the

same time I just wanted to race my two

best races in those first uh two races

and I was almost a chunk of my year was

okay we're focusing on Yokohama and

leads these are two biggest race in the

season then you almost treat that as a

mini season then um whatever happens

after that will happen and luckily those

two went really well and then all of a

sudden you're like oh my goodness we're

we're I've just won leads and I've uh

got this opportunity now what's what we

doing now and so yeah that was that was

kind of my focus and I have a huge

amount of respect for Tom who who did so

many races and work so hard for us. And

I think um yeah, we've been incredibly

lucky in in Great Britain that we've had

so many people who who work behind the

scenes and work so hard for us to kind

of get us to to to that point. And um I

think it shows on race day that uh that

it's not only our performance which is

leading to that but it's the support

behind it and the little things which

you don't realize um which yeah we're

incredibly lucky to help.

>> And I suppose in the in the immediate

fallout of leads you very quickly

realized that it was you like was there

that at what point was the formal

conversation had that you would get in

that place? Did he take um to his

credit, Alice actually came up to me

after the race and just said, "Uh,

congratulations, mate. You were amazing

today." Um, he was a a real gent about

it. He was, um, yeah, he explained that

he had a he thinks he had an ankle

injury and he had to have some surgery

unfortunately. Um, and it was

unfortunate the way he he raced that

final race because he's obviously left

an incredible legacy in our sport. But

um yeah, he was incredibly nice to me

and um yeah, we we kind of I went

straight actually into a heat camp uh

the next day uh which is quite funny to

think about now um to to prepare for for

the Olympics. Um >> Wow.

>> Wow. >> So

>> So

>> yeah, it was

>> in Lra in LRA. So yeah, we were in Leeds

and then we moved down south to LRA and

kind of got cracking straight away. Um

which is which is crazy to think about

now when you look back at it. Um, but

yeah, it was it was it was non-stop, but

it was really really enjoyable enjoyable

few weeks of my life.

>> So, was Luffer the new the new leads? Is

that is that how it's going now?

>> Don't get me in trouble, mate.

>> No, I'm just playing. I absolutely love

Luffer and I'm incredibly lucky to be

working with um Adam Elliot down there

and he's been incredible help to me and

um yeah though we've had only had a

short time together I feel like we get

each other and he he was yes as much his

medal is mine that the hard work he's

put into me and invested in me and

incredibly lucky to have coaches of past

and O'Neal who was incredibly well had

taught me so many good good things that

I feel like I've brought down to lur and

I feel like I learned so much from the

excellence I had and in in leads and the

amazing athletes I I was able to train

with that I feel like I have opportunity

to kind of bring uh the things that I

really enjoyed there and the good bits

about the culture into to LRA and

hopefully I don't want to make it my

center is it's a a collective of

athletes but I really want to be able to

put in things which I I feel uh are

beneficial and and will make make

training more fun and enjoyable but also

we all get the best out of each other

and I feel like everyone's

really bought in and it's it's really

exciting where the sense ago.

>> So just so just prior to well I suppose

your base then at the start of 2021 was

LRA was it like that that's where living

and that's where you were training and

and who else is was training there or is

training there at the moment and you

know is that where you literally left

off to Tokyo from and it was like a all

right good luck dude. Yeah. So I during

lockdown I was living with my girlfriend

Olivia uh for about six months and then

LRA was actually the first um because of

the the kind of fantastic swimmers they

have in in British swimmer based in LRA

the likes of Adam PT um etc. Um they

they had first pool access and we were

able because of the risk assessment to

actually get a lane ourselves and um so

that was kind of a no-brainer for me

obviously needing to work on my swim. So

I I stayed in Luffer and I got to know

Adam and uh there was kind of a a

natural transition there where um I was

I was incredibly lucky to be welcomed in

and everyone was really welcome in. Um,

and now, yeah, I I kind of have stayed

ever since. And, um, yeah, I train with

with the likes of Sophie Caldwell and,

uh, Jody Simpson was there until a

couple of months ago and and Olivia Mafi

is my girlfriend. And then on the male

side, I train with Harry Lu, who's also

my housemate. Um yeah,

>> and Ben Dyster as well who's all these

guys are are incredible talents and and

have so much to give in the sport and

they they've they've given me so much of

their time and um it's going to be

really exciting to see where they will

go and there's so many more I could name

who who are I'm sure going to you all

know very soon. So it'll be I'm just

loving it, mate. It's it's been just

really really enjoyable.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Your battles with Ben go

back quite a long way as well, don't they?

they?

>> Yeah. Yeah, totally. No, we have a

really good relationship. Um, we had

many a battle as a as a junior and a

youth and even younger than that. Um,

but yeah, we're still best friends and

we'll still train together and we still

kind of on those rainy rides. We'll get

each other through it and we'll work

together and it goes for the same for

any other guy who's in in the lford

training squad that we'll all work for

each other or uh we're all bought we've

all kind of bought into it and we were

all really enjoying it. So, yeah, it's

it's really nice.

and Adam Pey in a sort of build up to an

Olympics. What's how was that working

like sharing a pool with him and sort of

was there an element of being quite

pleased that you're not a dedicated

swimmer yourself?

>> Yeah, so we swam I swam at the same time as

uh Adam Adam on Yeah. on two days uh of

the week. And the thing I remember most

is just Mel Marshall who's his coach.

She's just absolutely crazy and she's

just really animated and she's always

kind of getting everyone going and

really excited and I think um she

brought a really good energy to the pool

and she made she clearly made it

exciting for the the British drummers.

Um but I also found it quite amusing

watching myself so I think they they

were all uh well they all had a really

successful um Olympics and swimmers so

it's been incredible to see and um

obviously Adam's done amazing on

strictly come dancing which means you've

officially made it. Um,

so yeah, it's been it's been really cool

to to kind of see him and he's been

obviously a massive inspiration to

everyone in LRA, but I also think it's

it's quite amusing when you go back to

LRA because there's so much excellence.

You kind of go back with a gold and

silver medal and they're like, you just

you're just one of us now. So, which I

really like and it keeps you keeps you

humble and keeps you you kind of

hustling and working hard. So, yeah.

>> And how was the whirlwind pre-Olympics

in terms of, you know, so you went to

Miyazaki, there was the training camp

there. Um did did the team around you

manage to make it did was there an

effort to try and keep everything as

sort of normal race build up normal as

possible because there is a huge amount

of pressure on everyone around the team

to get the results right more perhaps

more than any other race you've

experienced I don't know so yeah how how

was that

>> yeah I think for me the thing I noticed

most about the Olympics is how

experienced everyone was everyone seemed

to had prior experience of with regard

to the support staff and actually the

athletes themselves um kind of

experience around those high pressure

scenarios and um the the thing I noticed

was just how supportive people were but

from a but not intrusive in a way. So it

wasn't like that kind of it didn't feel

over the top. It felt really natural and

um we'd almost had this build up

altogether in LRA um where I'd seen

almost everyone that it didn't feel like

really artificial so many people coming

in at one point just for the holding

camp. It felt like I'd worked with all

these people for well I have worked with

all these people for the last two three

years without realizing which is quite

crazy that you you kind of there's

almost that preparation leading in

before you even know it. So um it was it

was we in a way we were really lucky we

had Miaak the Miyazaki training camp. I

think it was us, the Norwegians and um

the Japanese who were really lucky to

actually be able to go outside and do

our training outside and and those

things in in Japan, whereas I think a

lot of people had to cancel their

holding camps because of the the co

pandemic and and had to just go into the

the Olympic village uh having having

trained at home and and just uh yeah,

not experienced the conditions. But so

we were incredibly lucky in that sense.

But uh it was it was actually the rainy

season in in Miyazaki because it's quite

um significant south from uh south of

Japan. So we were getting days which

were 35 36 degrees, 90% humidity. But

then we're also getting days which were

the worst thunderstorms I've ever seen

in my life. Virgin on typhoons

which is which was uh unnerving when

you're 34 stories high in a building.

>> Yeah. But as it turned out quite good

preparation for the women.

>> Exactly. Yeah. No, it's true. We we

weren't laughing because the girls did a

a race prep scenario where they woke up

at 3:00 a.m. like we did for our race

and uh got up and did their swim at 6:30

and it was really bad weather, awful

conditions. They're like, "Why are we

doing this? We're never going to have

race conditions like this." And then it

turned out they did. So, it was it was

amusing as a way to look back on that

and think, "Oh, you actually were doing

the right thing."

>> Yeah. It's wild to think that, you know,

Basma from Egypt was saying, "Yeah, she

had, you know, they barely get storms,

let alone like those sort of typhoon

conditions." So, when she woke up that morning,

morning,

>> it sort of blew her away a little bit.

Not, you know, bad intended.

>> So, yeah, there's there's a lot to be

said for having a little taste of

everything in the buildup to such a big

>> No, totally. Yeah, that was one thing

which uh a lot of people have fed back

on I think from other nations is that uh

team GB brought out these dry robes

which are extremely big jackets uh slash

changing room type thing type kind of towels

towels

um which are meant to keep you warm in

extreme cold conditions or like after

you've done a water swim or something

like that and a lot of other nations

looked at us and said why have you

brought them out that's extremely silly

it's a waste of money and god knows how

much extra for uh that to actually be

brought across um in terms of money. Um

but then on race day they were using

them and and both all of the team UB

girls had them on and I think that was a

a big statement to the rest of the

nations that we were we're incredibly

lucky to have that support and all bases

have been covered in that terms of

thought process and

>> yeah it was it was really cool to see

that and I think it was a a bit of a

moment or yeah for us to to be like yeah

we're we're really lucky in that sense.

Were you just to fast forward to the

women's race because that was obviously

the day after the men's, but were you uh

>> Yeah. were you up for that like you know

were you able to watch it in your rooms

or how did that play out? Like quite

nice to have got your race done and then

be able to watch the entertainment. Was it?

it?

>> Yeah. So, well, normally with world

champion format, we're always second, so

we never really get to enjoy the the

women's race, but yeah, I was I was um I

don't think I set that night really,

honestly. But um no,

>> I was up. I remember because I had a

really nice view of the kind of swim uh

swim course because we stayed in the

hotel instead of staying in the in the

Olympic village just for ease of

logistics and we were really lucky in

that sense as well. Um so I had

incredible view of the swim. So I

remember watching the swim and then

flicking back to the to the coverage. I

travel on live and then back up. Um and

then one of one of my friends Sam who

was uh at the Olympics for as a reserve

athlete for the relay. Um he also had a

view of the bike course. So I'd run

across in his room and have a look at

the bike course and we see them whiz

past and then

>> um yeah it was just it was just really

cool to be able to kind of whiz across

and Johnny was there as well and Gordon

Benson who was also out there as a as a

reserve. Um they were all just getting

really animated and obviously we had two

two girls incredibly well. and Vicki

also do incredibly well. So, um

>> yeah, it was just really really

inspiring to watch them and um they kind

of set precedence for us and uh going

into the relay that we were kind of

really really in a good position.

>> Yeah, it's just amazing to see Georgia

and Jess and their relationship and um

Georgia go through such a tough time

prior to prior to the Olympics and have

probably the hardest build up of any

athlete um and then achieve what she

did. It was incredibly inspiring. I felt

incredibly proud for her and she should

be proud of herself.

>> How provy were you to the ins and outs

of her situation in the in the buildup

then? Well, I mean, you're obviously

focused on your what's going on with

you, but as far as the relay goes,

obviously there were big consequences as

well to her fitness as well as being a

friend that you want to see out there

doing her stuff.

>> Yeah, I I probably shouldn't comment too

much on her ins and outs. Uh, obviously

that's that's kind of her story to to

talk about, but um, as a friend, I just

wanted to kind of be there for her and

make sure she was she was all right and

she was still enjoying what she was

doing. She was still motivated. I know

there's um I have a one of my best

friends, Jordan Hull, his his girlfriend

uh was was actually moved out of her

accommodation and moved in uh really

near to to Georgia to help her through

her through her through her kind of her

times and her training and kind of rehab

and build build up back to the games and

um she had that really small team which

kind of did an incredible job to to get

her back to to where where she is now.

and it's incredible to see it go through

Super League and Jess obviously doing so

well as well and obviously all the

British girls. It's been super

inspiring. Um and yeah, I think we're

incredibly lucky to be led by incredible

group of females in here in in Great

Bron and British Triathlon. So, um yeah,

leading by example for us

and in me as then just back to there,

was there much you know the Norwegians

were they stayed in the same hotel? Was

it kind of a little bit private in

secrecy? Was there bit of hanging out or

did you just try to avoid each other?

>> We definitely I wouldn't say we were

avoiding each other but they were

staying in the hotel just 400 meters

down the road from us. So we were ever

so slightly apart. I think they were

doing a little bit or had a

collaboration with the the Japanese

federation but we see them every now and

then. And whenever I'd see them I think

I'd just see Bloom Fel with a grit grit

gray teeth and just absolutely

sprinting. I just like the guy's all in

and respected him. He really was. And um

uh yeah, it was I I I do have vivid

memories of him running past me up to

grit teeth just all out. And

uh yeah,

>> yeah, produced at at the finish in

Edmonton there. And

>> so so for you personally, were you in

perhaps like some sort of a sweet spot? Obviously,

Obviously,

you're going into a race with a goal and

with a purpose, but you didn't have the

same quite the same level of expectation

perhaps from the outside, perhaps from

yourself as some of the other people on

your start list. Was there did you feel

like you could go in a little bit a

little bit looser and just do your stuff?

stuff? Yeah,

Yeah,

for me I I just wanted to prepare the

best I could and

honestly just remember it as my first

Olympics and I spoke to so many people

before um the race for advice and stuff

like that and get their opinion on

things and the thing that everyone came

back to is that it's your first Olympics

and the people have passed they've

forgot to to think about and enjoy the

fact that they're at their first ever

Olympic games. It's an achievement in

itself and it's been a lifelong goal of

mine to get there. So the main thing for

me was just I prepared the best I can.

I'm standing on the side of complete

clarity of that, but also look around,

enjoy your surroundings. Enjoy what

you're doing. Um, make sure you remember

everything you're doing. And and for me,

I can look back at 56 minutes and 33

seconds and probably be like, like if

you free frame it, I can tell you

exactly what was going through in my

head. And I don't have many races like

that, but for the Olympics, I could tell

you exactly through the bike, through

the swim, through the through the whole

of the relay as well, all my

experiences. And I could probably close

my eyes and cycle that bike course

because I just run it through my head a

million times just because it wasn't an

obsession, but it was just an absolute

passion. And um yeah, that the memories

of it uh yeah, just so so fun. You did

visualize each element, did you? Over

and over again then before because you

know it was it was a long time since you

you raced the test event.

>> I did. Yeah. Not very well. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Did that in itself give you plenty to

work on then and yeah extra memory to to

to build through?

>> Yeah. I just well I actually got dropped

on the on the bike on the on on the uh

Tokyo test event because uh we had we

were measuring our core temperature and

my core temperature went up to I think

41 degrees which is like kind of

ridiculous and I think I just hit a

point where I just exploded internally

and uh so a massive goal for me was to

try and avoid that happening throughout

the race and manage kind of intensity

and and the stress I was put through my

body. So for me visualizing the course

and making sure I was efficient through

everything through throughout

specifically the bike was super

important and positioning myself in a

place where I could be aggressive and

and push towards the front but also not

have to to push to those extreme high

wattages and uh there's partic there's

one dead turn which probably looks

really insignificant on the telly but

you you go from pretty much zero k an

hour at one point and you go down a

highway road under under a bridge and

you go up to about 70 km an hour and you

do that in about 30 seconds which is

just the amount of stress that you have

to go through to kind of get up to that

speed is is yeah quite significant

during a trap and we have to run 10k

after and I think those the thought

processes of that and having to manage

those things throughout a trap and was

something which we never kind of looked

into before and actually breaking it

down and seeing kind of what power I was

putting through before I got dropped on

the on the bike in in um in the test ben

and then trying to replicate that in

training And so I was ready for those

explosions if they did happen. And we

and luckily they they didn't because I

was able to swim in swim okay and be in

the in the in the second pack quite

early. Um but yeah, I think for me that

was that kind of visualization really

helped me kind of flow through things

and and not kind of mess up and have to

to do those little 1 percenters which

make a difference when it comes down to

how close our final was. And I'm sure

there were moments which weren't perfect

and and no race is perfect over two

hours. It's well I'm yet to experience

that. So I think yeah for me uh that was

kind of my thought process I guess.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But and each each section as

it progressed you must have kept feeling

as well like this is this is my kind of

race here. like the swim was very

condensed and

>> I don't know at the halfway point when

you came out back in like where

whereabouts you were but certainly after

the swim there was only kind of a minute

between first and last um so that it

must be a moment of right this is on

let's let's let's get into this and then

I guess the the bike inevitably slowed a

little bit as the pack got like pretty

huge towards

>> on that last lap so there were certain

things that were there's a hell of a lot

of way to go but that were that were

setting up nicely for that run, right?

Yeah, I was I definitely say I was

lucky, but also I guess you make your

own luck in a way. um for the the way

the the kind of race scenario went and

um there definitely was a an excitement

I guess and uh for me when things were

coming together but then also I was just

trying to focus on the next 30 seconds

ahead of me because you're in a bike

pack so many things can go wrong

especially in the size we were and the

course we were doing it was extremely

technical and um people are nervous it's

an Olympic games there's a lot on the

line uh it's a really high pressure

environment so for me I just had to

focus on what I was during that time and

focus on that next 30 seconds. Make sure

I got around that dead turn, make sure I

was positioned well, make sure I was out

of trouble. And um yeah, for me, I I

just tried to not let myself think about

kind of too get too far ahead of myself.

Just kind of focus on the there and now

and stay present. And

>> I think that that was kind of my mindset

throughout it. And yeah, moving on to

the run, I I on those first few strides,

I wouldn't say I felt particularly good.

Um I almost found myself building into

the run in a way. And um after the first

lap, having so many people in the mix,

it was it was pretty crazy because I

thought I was running I was running

pretty quick and um yeah, it was it was

definitely attritional towards the end,

but I just tried to focus on the next

100 strides I was doing and then the

next 100 strides after that and then

that kind of got me through it and got

me kind of to to that silver medal.

>> Yeah. I mean, from the moment you you

caught Andreas Alisber, right, who'd

kind of gone off on that on the light

final stage of the bike and then I mean,

it was you spearheading that run for for

quite a lot of the way. Um, you know,

how is that position for you like being

the chaste and in that sort of

situation? And I mean, it must have been

kind of mentally exhausting as well,

right? I suppose there were plenty

plenty of kind of hair pins that you

could assess exactly what was going on

around you as well. Yeah, I think for me

as well, this year has kind of been the

first time where I've been able to race

people at the front of races and I still

don't think I found my style of racing.

Uh, you see, Blumenfeld's clearly got

quite a distinctive style where he goes

from kind of 2K to a K out and he just

absolutely goes for it and that's it.

And for me, I'm not sure whether I'd

actually suit a style where I go for the

best 10K I physically can run or whether

I wait till the end. I tried that in

Super League. It seems to work pretty

well, but also almost didn't work very

well. So, so you never know with these

things. So, I still feel like I'm trying

to find myself and find my identity

within triathlon and my style of racing.

And also I guess I don't want to be too

predictable in in that sense as well

that I have I'm very onedimensional and

I can just win races from one one

aspect. Um but yeah, I think for me in

that Olympic Games I was just I was just

so excited to be at the front of of the

Olympic Games and and just like as much

as I was working extremely hard and I

was extremely tired, I was so excited to

just be there and

>> um and to be with and and Hayden

alongside as well. And it that must have

all played into it as well a little bit.

It was just

it was just like like a like a dream

really. I I don't know that sounds

really cliche but you just never imagine

yourself being in that position until

you're kind of there and you just like

every now and then you kind of come out

of it and you're almost like wow um is

this really happening? like am I really

in the last three battling for the

medals of the Olympics? And um I think

for for me you don't want to give

yourself that that those thoughts, but

at the same time I was just having so

much fun and just enjoying myself so

much that was Yeah. that you almost

Yeah. I I don't know. It's I think think

for me I probably could have paced the

run better definitely and stuff like

that. But would I have changed it?

probably not cuz it's it was how I ran

it and how I was feeling in the moment and

and

>> um I yeah it was it was just super

enjoyable moment and uh yeah I look back

on it fondly because I feel like I got

everything out of my body but I also

enjoyed myself and I had one of my best

races of my life if not the best race of

my life and came away with an Olympic

medal and and and for me

uh in a way sorry to keep waffling But

>> I'm I'm totally at peace I didn't win

win win the gold. I feel like in terms

of the preparation I had I

I I did everything I could. I prepared

the best I could in the heat with the

time frame I had and feel like I had the

best equipment, the best support,

everything I had like that. But I don't

feel like the complete arts school yet.

I don't feel like the complete

triathlete I want to be. And if I if I

ever fortunate enough to be in a

situation like that again, I want to be

in know in a position like that where I

I feel like I've done everything I

physically can to get to that point and

I cross that finish line and be like,

"Wow, this is I feel I feel like I've

achieved this and I've worked so hard

for this and um yeah, and I feel like I

I had the best swim back and run I I

physically could have could have had and

I'm in the best physical shape of my

life and

>> um I know everyone's not fortunate

enough to have those those

opportunities. But yeah, that's that's

kind of know my my dream scenario is to

just kind of have Yeah, I don't know.

I'm probably morphing a little bit, but

that's kind of how how I feel about it.

>> No, I mean that that unpredictability, I

suppose, could be your your secret

weapon, right? You know, and you're

still, you know, you've got years of

triathlon ahead of you. So, finding your

your run style or if you even feel you

need to, but that adaptability could be

your secret weapon. And then maybe

sometimes some situations it'll it won't

work as well as others. And um

Christians obviously that you know for

that games for that individual race that

was something he'd been as he said

several times you know he'd been working

for 10 years to that point that was his

destiny. That was his target for so long

and um and he made it happen. And then

kind of conversely for you and Hayden,

you were finding yourselves, I guess, I

don't know, did you discuss it with

Hayden at all? Like that that you were

sort of, you know, in that medal

contention, there were three of you all

going for the gold. Nobody knew which

way it was going to go at the, I guess,

500 meter mark or whatever. Um,

and so exciting that it's three, you

know, between you and the women, there

was like I think a 13th place was the

previous top Olympic positioning, plenty

of debuts and so on. So, you know, it

was all it was all beautifully set up, I

guess, after all of that. Did you and

Hayden discuss it at all after like

that, you know, how you had felt and

just that kind of raw excitement of the

of the moment?

>> Yeah, I mean, I think for us too, we

were Yeah, like I said, we were probably

just living our dream in a way. Um,

and yeah, when we finished, we had an

embrace and we were just like couldn't

really believe what was happening. And

uh yeah, I think we were both kind of

out of it cuz we were I remember both of

us just kind of leaning on each other

and we were almost falling over a little

bit. Um cuz we in a way though we we

blue and moved away from us. We were all

kind of pretty much full gas moving kind

of all about a similar distance away

from each other. Um just trying to get

to the finish line. Um just because I

guess no place is certain until the end

especially in those conditions. Uh but

yeah, it was it was a pretty special

moment. I remember almost falling over

actually when we when we took the left

turn into

um to start running down the hill into

the finish. I just my legs just kind of

gave up on me. I was like, "Don't give

up on me now." But yeah, it was Yeah, me

and Hayden have had many a battle over

the years and we we we rarely spend much

more than 100 meters away from each

other throughout races. So it's is

really special to to kind of share that

with him and um yeah hopefully we'll

have many more battles to come. I think

that's something which I cherish is the

the opportunity to kind of get the best

out of myself and I feel like he's

somebody who really challenges me to do

that and I hope I challenge him as well.

>> Yeah. So for the relay um getting

together doing the lineup having to wait

for three legs for your moment must have

been a form of torture was it?

>> Yeah. Gosh. Um yeah, so straight after

the individual uh we had we had a press

conference and and stuff like that and I

remember we all had our medals on the

table and I remember looking distinctly

at at Blooming Felts and

you you can probably if you look at

pictures you can really tell they done a

good job of making the gold extra extra

shiny and the gold is just when you put

them all next to each other just even

when I was at the the primary school no

kids touch my uh no kids were touching

my silver they all touching the gold and

I remember just thinking, man, if we we

could do this and I really want to do

this. And that afternoon, I had a little

bit of media to do when all the the

British public woke up and and uh we we

did a few interviews and stuff, but then

straight after that, I was back in the

pool that day and made sure I was doing

everything I could to be be in a

position to kind of do my my team proud

and and prepare the best I could. And

yeah, the first three legs of of our of

our race couldn't have gone any better,

honestly. Um they all kind of had probably

probably

in my opinion three of the the best

relay legs that have ever been seen in

triathlon. Um

and yeah that did make me incredibly

nervous and I don't know if I've ever

felt the pressure that I felt at that

point. Um I actually had not a panic

attack but I had like a bit of like a

point where I couldn't really breathe to

one of my the physiootherapist called um

uh Emma Deacon and she I was like feel

like I'm just breathing really strong.

My heart's beating so fast. She's like

it's a good thing your heart's beating.

It means you're alive and stuff like I

was like yeah that's true that's true.

And even those little words just made

such a big difference to me and it just

calmed me down and

>> got that swim and I swam swam well and I

anticipated Mint catching me on the bike and

and

>> when he came past me I didn't anticipate

him coming by that quick but I was able

to get on that wheel and make sure I

stayed there and attacking transition

and and yeah run away and and the the

feeling that

in a way I didn't allow myself after the

the Tokyo test event and how close the

finish was to lose that sprint finish to

the French in the final and then allow

myself kind of that luxury to to kind of

celebrate down the finish line. I just

wanted to get there and make sure I did

everything I could after three uh the

three guys just done an incredible

incredible job. I just wanted to to

finish it off and do the proud and do

the nation proud and that yeah

>> that feeling when you when you cross the

finish line you're like Olympic

champions first ever first ever time the

event has happened I think uh yeah it

was just incredible and the reception

back home the amount of people that just

enjoyed watching and I think one of the

it came up that one of the most googled

things was like how to start triathlon

and stuff like that you're like what

what this is crazy like people are

actually enjoying what doing and you

just start something as a as a hobby and

for the enjoyment of it and then people

are like yeah buying it and and staying

up late at night and the amount of

people are saying oh yeah I'm going to

go for a run tomorrow morning or I

stayed up this late I'm going to go to

work in 3 hours and stuff like that you

like it's just amazing that the power of

sport and the fact that we could yeah

after just such a rubbish time co and

stuff like that to be able to yeah for

people to en enjoy enjoy sport again and

for us to put a smile on their face.

>> Um yeah, and I suppose yeah that that uh

that final transition was was the from a

sort of observer point of view. Well,

you managing to hang on to to Vince's

back wheel and then I guess kind of

tucking in behind him for that last lap

was presumably exactly where you wanted

to be and he was testing and asking

plenty of questions and

>> um but at the same time he must have

been thinking about needing to keep some

in reserve for the run. So there was a

good cat and mouse going on there.

>> Yeah, definitely. I think for me the the

way he attacked past uh how he did, he

kind of set a precedent that I was

probably never going to come to the

front at that point because of not trust

issues, but I just didn't want I I was

kind of aware of what had happened to to

Morgan behind and obviously him being

dropped off by by Vince. That was

incredible incredible move that he did

actually watching it back. Um, but I

just I couldn't afford myself the luxury

to to kind of go to the front and take

the corners at the front because it was

unpredictable what he could do and I

wanted to to make sure I could see what

was going on and instead of it just

happening out of nowhere like it did

obviously going into transition and me

almost losing kind of two free bike

lengths and having to make that up on

somebody who's going incredibly quick.

It was

>> pretty tough

>> and to be able to do that. So I mean

that final transition was unbelievably

tense but but equally Vincent didn't

necessarily go in perfectly to plan. So

you know interesting to say you had the

the test event kind of photo finish

situation played over in your head a bit

as well but those first strides knowing

that that that the shoes were on and you

were out and you had a bit of a thing

and that was the 2K. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. That first lap I was all in. like

everything I had went into that first

lap after kind of assessing the

situation, seeing the big screen, seeing

I had a little bit of a I was like, I'm

all in and if I lose this now, then the

person who beats me is a better person

than me. And I got to that that K point

and I had about 10 10 seconds or

something like that. I was like, just

got to keep going now and try and match

what I did before. And I probably didn't

even get close to matching it, but I did

everything I could and and yeah, just

made sure I brought it home for the

guys. And I I obviously were we had the

opportunity to see them. They gave me a

massive cheer and gave me some good

information as I came past and that kept

me believing and kept me motivated and

>> um yeah, it gives you that purpose again

that you you're doing this for for

yourself, you're doing this for your

country, you're doing it for for those

guys as well. And yeah, it's just very cool.

cool.

>> Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, it was just a

brilliant moment for the for the sport,

wasn't it? And for to think how now

other team Yeah. Not that they didn't,

everyone was all in for for that one,

but it's only going to get bigger and

more of a focus for for the future

games, isn't it? Like that that team

element and and wanting to wanting to

deliver that moment for your teammates.

>> Yeah, I think for us as well, as much as

we wanted to do well and achieve what we

achieved and race how we raced, um I

think we wanted to make sure that the

the mix relay was seen as a really

viable event for the Olympics. And I

think from the reception back home, it

almost was received better than the

individual races were. And people love

the fact it's mixed genders and it's

short, it's sharp, it's straightforward,

everyone knows what's happening. Three,

four people do swim, bike, run uh one

after the other and it's girl boy, girl

boy. Like it it just it just made sense

to people and people really bought in

and people staying up late to watch it

back at home in the UK and in Europe and

people enjoyed it and and got behind us

and yeah, it was amazing. It was just

really really good moment for Drafford I think.

think.

>> Yeah. You know it was it was just after

the Rio Olympics you had your first

junior world champs right that was your

first grand final in cosml as well and

that was just after Rio and another

moment with Alli and Johnny and you know

the the situation at the tail end of

that race. So I just wanted to, you

know, do you remember much about, you

know, so much has happened the last

couple of years, but do you remember

things about that first world champs and

the bruhaha around the the Brownley

situation there and did that all kind of

you how fresh is are those kind of

moments and and those sort of first big

international events on in your memory?

Yeah, I think Cosmemell really set

standard for me because Cosmemell in

Mexico uh was probably the most

luxurious amazing place I'd ever been to

in my life. And then I thought every

World Championship is going to be like

this. It's going to be amazing. Going to

get swim with fishes and it's going to

be crystal clear waters and really nice

and amazing. And we got to go to Florida

before. And yeah, I just remember it was

such fun memories and um I I don't I

think I came fifth that day and I had a

pretty good race. But I think the thing

I remembered was just the camaraderie

between the British athletes, whether

you're a junior or whether you're a

senior. Everyone was hanging out

together. We all were or one big team,

whether that was recently crowned

Olympic champion or Vicky Holland who

just got her her Olympic medal as well

for the first time. It was just

>> amazing to be part of that team. And

everyone worked together and got the

best out of each other. And yeah, what a

moment for for Alan John. I mean,

obviously Johnny's not a massive fan of

talking about it and stuff, but for us,

we were watching. We were running from

all kinds of corners to watch what what

was going on. I was obviously training

with Tom at the time and I was massively

cheering for him, but then also aware

that Alistister and Johnny were doing

incredibly well. And yeah, it was it was

it was just bizarre to see Johnny at one

point over over there and then running

across and then just seeing uh those two

kind of in arms probably love all the

all the phrases just kind of coming down

that finish line. And I think it it was

just a really iconic moment for

triathon. To kind of see it in the flesh was

was

uh exciting, but also I felt felt bad

watching it as well just because of how

um a situation Johnny was in. But um I

think also incredibly proud moment for

for both of them. It should be that

>> that they showed um kind of what like

how how we are in triathlon and what

what kind of people we are. I feel like

we a lot of people would do that for for

other people in the sport and I think

that's incredible to show and uh the

Super League series recently has shown

that um as much as we race for a nation

and stuff, we're all friends within the

sport and we all will help each other

and we'll all there's no eos here. We're

all here to to race the best we can and

get the most out of our bodies and and

challenge each other but also be

challenged as well. And I think I think

it's a it's it's incredible to be part

of such a cool sport like that. And

yeah, they kind of set that up

presidents there.

>> Yeah. Yeah. And it's a it's a it's a

gutsiness that you obviously showed a

year later. Calerie, that terrible

accident. You know, many people whose

sort of first knowledge of Alice, you

might you having been perhaps Tokyo

wouldn't necessarily know that. Yeah.

You suffered a horrendous accident on

the bike in the car in the world cup in

Calary 2017, right? And that that took

you out for a year. Um I mean yeah I

just want to reflect a bit on on that.

How perhaps you know was that a a

formative part of you now in terms of

mental toughness in terms of what you

must have gone through immediately after

that race you know from just from like

it being one of your first World Cups.

Was it your first World Cup?

>> It was my first ever World Cup. Yeah.

>> First ever World Cup. And then so you

you hit a bolard,

>> you punctured lungs. Uh well, lung um

broken ribs,

>> vertebrae, shoulder, hit my head. Yeah.

All the all the wrong things. But in a

way, I was incredibly lucky, pardon me,

for it to happen where it did happen. It

happened right in transition. And my I

don't know how, but amazingly, my my

physiotherapist and and kind of medical

staff were literally about 10 meters

away from where it happened, and she was

able to get to me straight away. If you

watch the video, you can see her within

kind of 20 seconds of it happening

actually just by my side making sure I'm

okay checking all my vitals and stuff

like that. So although it was an awful

awful accident, I was incredibly lucky

to have kind of her by my side straight

away and she in a way probably had a bit

of an impact on me being able to train

again because at one point they were

saying in the hospital, yeah, we don't

think you'll be able to run again

because of the damage done to your your

vertebrae and transverse processes. And

that that's obviously upsetting thing to

hear and when I'm on the phone to my mom

or my my my coach bit bit drugged up I

think from all the anesthetics they

giving me say yeah I'll be back for

Rotterdam world championships in three

weeks or whatever it was but

>> oh god there for a long time were you in

Italy I was

>> I was there for for six weeks actually

just I was in hospital for four weeks

and I had to say an extra two weeks to

make sure my lung uh had fully healed up

just because of the com the compression

in the the airplane and just getting

home. There was potentially a plan like

I get a ferry and have to lie down in a

car and and then drive all the way

through France and some crazy plans, but

yeah, it made sense for me to stay. And

the hospital staff are incredibly

helpful and and nice to me. They made I

think a few of them learned a bit of

English as I was there, which was cool.

And I learned a few phrases in in

Italian and which I probably forgotten

now. But yeah, it was it was it was

an an awful time, but also I was

incredibly lucky with everything that

happened following the accident. So it

was really unfortunate and it changed my

perspective of kind of why I was doing

this and made made me kind of look at it

rather than it being a bad thing. It's

an opportunity for me to to have a

comeback and to when I'm training all

the time, I have an opportunity now to

to work on something which I wouldn't be

able to work on. I worked on a lot of

SNC stuff and made sure that when I came

back I was able to tolerate the load

which I now do and I couldn't do before

because I may have got an overuse injury

or something like that. So I've been

incredibly lucky in that sense that

though it halted my progress for the for

for my for my last junior world

championships and my first ever senior

world cup where I miraculously made the

front of the race and all that good

stuff. Um yeah, just it it gave me that

opportunity to kind of reset and um kind

of come back stronger and I was able to

kind I know come back and race a really

good 10K and uh that year and just get

back on the bike and I went back to

Kagiari next year and I was able to race

there and though it didn't go the best,

it was an opportunity for me to just

fight those demons and and yeah, just

show that yeah, I' be in this injury

that I'm back. I'm I'm still a

triathlete and I'm not going to let

something like that stop me. Were there

some demons because it was a it's a

rapid descent on that course and for

that to be the first race back on the

same course. Uh yeah, that takes some

brass as well.

>> Yeah. No, I definitely would say I was

obviously I was cautious, but I

definitely would say I was definitely

not as aggressive as I'd normally be on

a bike. And I think as as much as uh I

always say people like, "Are you scared

to get back on the bike?" I was like,

"No, I I've spent so long off my bike

that I just want to get back on it now.

It's been long enough." But um on that

race you obviously go through the same

corners and flow through the the same

course and yeah there was definitely

hesitation in my mind and stuff like

that but I felt like once I gone through

it I felt like I I came out the other

side with a lot of kind of freedom and

and peace in my mind that I'd done that.

So yeah, it was it was nice and it was

just nice to to come back and the people

there have a lot of energy and they're

really nice and obviously really

supportive and I got to go see the the

hospital staff and thank them and it was

just a nice

>> kind of circle of everything that had

happened. So yeah, it was

>> nice closure.

>> Not a great way to do it, but an

interesting way to prove to yourself

what what you can do, what you can go

through, what you can cope with in a

sport that demands that you deal with

and cope with a lot.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Totally. I think um

triathlon specifically is filled with

lots of different challenges and lots of

different obstacles and that was a big

one in my life and for me to kind of

pass that has yeah given me a bit of

clarity that that whatever comes to me

I'm I'm going to tackle it head on. I'm

going to go all in and I've got amazing

team behind me and amazing people

supporting me. So yeah, I'm really lucky

and I'm kind of all in. I think that's

it. Just I'm all in for but for the for

the roller coaster whatever happens.

Well, yeah, as proven most recently at

the end of the Super League tour. Um, I

mean, yeah, that at the end of that kind

of a month to produce that kind of a

finish against someone like Martin.

Quite special.

>> No. Yeah, it was it was cool. I actually

going on to the last run. They have

something called a short in the Super

League. I'm sure a lot of you know, but

I actually didn't know he had the short

uh going into that last run because I I

was kind of on that first race. A lot of

them had caught a wave um in the sea

swim and were miles ahead of Johnny and

I and Kenji and the likes of four or

five of them away. So I didn't actually

know he had the short shoot until we

kind of got into that last race and I'm

in the mix. And then all of a sudden

Martin's about 20 meters ahead and yeah,

it was it was it made it really exciting

in a way because Hayden actually went

all in to catch and then I I started

moving my way up and could I can hear

Johnny behind me breathing on me,

breathing down my neck and I was like,

"Oh, it's going to be exciting." Because

obviously Aspria fighting for the for

the final podium and uh of the Super

League standings and yeah, that that

kind of

the the last 200 meters were so

technical and stuff. you. For me, I was

actually just more thinking about taking

the right apex through the corners,

making sure I was flowing through the

lines as fast as I could rather than

worrying too much about what was going

on till about 30 m to go and then trying

to get around Martin and uh I think I

did it probably by a hairs whip. So, um

it was yeah, it was it was pretty cool

and I think it was a nice way to finish

the Super League and

>> made it made it look really exciting and

and made Traflin Yeah. showed Traflin as

exciting again, I think. Well, it's

always been exciting, but

>> yeah. No, it definitely like, you know,

it's it's a very tight course. It's

Yeah, it's relentless the action and and

you're back in it. I mean, yeah, it was

a it was a spectacle and to be able to

produce that sort of a finish at the end

of a month. I mean, how did they how did

it all stack up, you know, it was not

far off the back of Edmonton as well,

those kind of ups and downs. I mean,

you've got to be hoping you can just

ride the adrenaline to an extent over

you because if you stop and think about

it too much and the next month might

just be a bit like, oh my god, like this

is here we go again. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> So, I think for Edmonton and London as

well, I think I just put a lot of

pressure on myself. I I felt like maybe

the f the first time I felt like there

was a bit of expectation on my shoulders

and things like that. I obviously was

wearing the number one for the first

time leading into the the kind of grand

final to win the world championships and

also in London. It's my hometown. a lot

of people I felt like were there to

watch obviously the Brits but also me as

a as a London boy. Um, so I felt like I

just had to put on a show for everyone

and and and yeah, make everyone proud

and everything to be a dream. And I

guess that's not the way sport works.

And I think I just had to kind of take a

step back from that. And I think I did

after London was just be like, right,

this is why do I do this sport? I do it

because I enjoy it. I want to I want to

obviously race well, but I want to race

the best I can rather than worrying

about too much what other people think

about of of me and and and kind of uh

yeah, the public perception because I I

guess you don't I guess in a way that

they're really proud of what I achieved

at the Olympics and um they just want to

see me do well rather than me thinking,

okay, they want me to win all the time,

all this kind of stuff. So I I kind of

took a step back from there and really enjoyed what I was doing and just soaked

enjoyed what I was doing and just soaked up and went through my processes and

up and went through my processes and stayed present throughout all the races

stayed present throughout all the races and it just seemed to progress from

and it just seemed to progress from there. I felt like I made less mistakes

there. I felt like I made less mistakes and and felt better in myself as I raced

and and felt better in myself as I raced on and on and on and yeah, the last two

on and on and on and yeah, the last two races were were really exciting finishes

races were were really exciting finishes and uh probably two of the races I

and uh probably two of the races I enjoyed most this year. Yeah. And you

enjoyed most this year. Yeah. And you know and a great prize to get at the end

know and a great prize to get at the end of it as well. part of you just the

of it as well. part of you just the first there must have been a bit of you

first there must have been a bit of you that just thought Porsche

>> um for me I just wanted Yeah obviously it's it's yeah we're extremely lucky in

it's it's yeah we're extremely lucky in Tra

Tra that series has a little bit of money

that series has a little bit of money behind it is it's kind of yeah we're

behind it is it's kind of yeah we're incredibly lucky in that sense and

incredibly lucky in that sense and obviously it's equal between between

obviously it's equal between between male and female as well which I think is

male and female as well which I think is incredibly important thing and it's been

incredibly important thing and it's been obviously a hot topic in cycling and

obviously a hot topic in cycling and whatnot but um for Me personally, I just

whatnot but um for Me personally, I just wanted to end the season with complete

wanted to end the season with complete clarity that I done everything I could

clarity that I done everything I could and to end the season on a high note and

and to end the season on a high note and uh enjoy myself as much as possible. And

uh enjoy myself as much as possible. And for me, that's finish. What a what a

for me, that's finish. What a what a perfect way to end the year. And um I

perfect way to end the year. And um I had thoughts of potentially

had thoughts of potentially racing maybe on to to Abu Dhabi and

racing maybe on to to Abu Dhabi and stuff like that and further. Um but but

stuff like that and further. Um but but kind of finishing that way, yeah, left

kind of finishing that way, yeah, left me completely at peace. that this was uh

me completely at peace. that this was uh a nice ending to the year and and uh a

a nice ending to the year and and uh a time for me to reflect and kind of

time for me to reflect and kind of actually take in what's kind of happened

actually take in what's kind of happened over the last year because it's been a

over the last year because it's been a bit of a blur and something I could

bit of a blur and something I could Yeah. never have imagined.

Yeah. never have imagined. >> Yeah. Yeah. What a nice way actually.

>> Yeah. Yeah. What a nice way actually. Yeah. to to to round off after after the

Yeah. to to to round off after after the grand finals because it you know it was

grand finals because it you know it was obviously a very strong kind of

obviously a very strong kind of collective spirit there as well as there

collective spirit there as well as there always is grand finals and and that I

always is grand finals and and that I got to ask about the uh sort of Beverly

got to ask about the uh sort of Beverly Hills mansion thing going on there. Just

Hills mansion thing going on there. Just just a quick like run through of what

just a quick like run through of what was what what was that all about? It was

was what what was that all about? It was like a sort of triathlon version of

like a sort of triathlon version of Entourage. There's you and playing pool

Entourage. There's you and playing pool in the corner. I don't know non Stanford

in the corner. I don't know non Stanford sort of reclining on a shezong in the

sort of reclining on a shezong in the Yeah. So, um, we were we were really

Yeah. So, um, we were we were really lucky that we had, uh, three days extra,

lucky that we had, uh, three days extra, uh, extra time to spend in in, uh,

uh, extra time to spend in in, uh, Malibu and Los Angeles and that kind of

Malibu and Los Angeles and that kind of surrounding area. And we don't normally

surrounding area. And we don't normally get that opportunity with such a long

get that opportunity with such a long triathlon season. You're almost kind of

triathlon season. You're almost kind of race one race and you're on to the next

race one race and you're on to the next one and and whatnot. So, we kind of took

one and and whatnot. So, we kind of took the opportunity with with open arms and

the opportunity with with open arms and John John Boy who's uh Jess's other half

John John Boy who's uh Jess's other half um went on Airbnb, went to Beverly Hills

um went on Airbnb, went to Beverly Hills and just put highest first I think. So,

and just put highest first I think. So, uh we we ended up on Sunset Plaza Drive.

uh we we ended up on Sunset Plaza Drive. Um but split between Tennos, so it was a

Um but split between Tennos, so it was a bit more affordable. Um but yeah,

bit more affordable. Um but yeah, something you you imagine doing with all

something you you imagine doing with all of you. Uh like yeah it's something you

of you. Uh like yeah it's something you imagine doing as a kid for a dream but

imagine doing as a kid for a dream but we actually were able to do it and yeah

we actually were able to do it and yeah it was it was a really enjoyable like I

it was it was a really enjoyable like I think it was 48 hours you got to spend

think it was 48 hours you got to spend there but just to to kind of just yeah

there but just to to kind of just yeah just enjoy each other's company and we

just enjoy each other's company and we probably won't see a lot of each other

probably won't see a lot of each other for six months now because of um because

for six months now because of um because you go back to winter training you do

you go back to winter training you do the less glamorous stuff and um so yeah

the less glamorous stuff and um so yeah it's a really nice way to kind of sign

it's a really nice way to kind of sign off the year for well for me personally

off the year for well for me personally I'm sure a lot of people will will go on

I'm sure a lot of people will will go on to the the next World Championship

to the the next World Championship Series race. Um but yeah, it's it was

Series race. Um but yeah, it's it was yeah, it was really cool. I I enjoyed it

yeah, it was really cool. I I enjoyed it and it's nice to to see how the other

and it's nice to to see how the other half live and

half live and Yeah.

Yeah. >> Well, if ever an end of season deserved

>> Well, if ever an end of season deserved something like that, this was it. Who um

something like that, this was it. Who um who was better at pull you or Matt

who was better at pull you or Matt Hower?

Hower? >> Well, I beat Matt, but I think Matt was

>> Well, I beat Matt, but I think Matt was actually better than me. I think I

actually better than me. I think I >> were.

>> were. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Um All right. Now, so we got to close

>> Um All right. Now, so we got to close this off unfortunately, but I just want

this off unfortunately, but I just want to we So, we did a little shout out on

to we So, we did a little shout out on Instagram for uh for a few questions.

Instagram for uh for a few questions. So, I've got I got to run through these.

So, I've got I got to run through these. Um

Um >> so, uh from Ashley Power, favorite

>> so, uh from Ashley Power, favorite moment in 2021, and I'd like a sport and

moment in 2021, and I'd like a sport and a non-sport version, please.

a non-sport version, please. >> Oh,

>> Oh, uh like my favorite sporting moment

uh like my favorite sporting moment outside of draft and stuff. Uh, I think

outside of draft and stuff. Uh, I think either Emma Radonu winning the US Open.

either Emma Radonu winning the US Open. Um, I stayed up too late to watch that

Um, I stayed up too late to watch that before the the Munich Super League. Um,

before the the Munich Super League. Um, probably shouldn't be saying this. Um,

probably shouldn't be saying this. Um, but yeah, I stayed up really late.

but yeah, I stayed up really late. Incredible. Um, non-sporting moment.

Incredible. Um, non-sporting moment. God, I'm I'm a bit of a loser. I don't I

God, I'm I'm a bit of a loser. I don't I don't really have I don't think I have

don't really have I don't think I have one. I can't can't think.

one. I can't can't think. >> Well, I mean, maybe bit Yeah. living it

>> Well, I mean, maybe bit Yeah. living it up 48 hours in there.

up 48 hours in there. >> Yeah. Yeah,

>> Yeah. Yeah, >> sounds pretty good. No, but for me, one

>> sounds pretty good. No, but for me, one of the things for me, one of the things

of the things for me, one of the things which I really enjoyed recently was the

which I really enjoyed recently was the fact the London Marathon was on at full

fact the London Marathon was on at full capacity. I think the fact that we're

capacity. I think the fact that we're able to to do mass participation races

able to to do mass participation races again after such a a long time away and

again after such a a long time away and to see so many people. I got to stand at

to see so many people. I got to stand at the finish line and see them all come

the finish line and see them all come over that last 100 meters. To see the

over that last 100 meters. To see the the amount of passion and joy that

the amount of passion and joy that people could get from a sport that we

people could get from a sport that we love was was really really touching, I

love was was really really touching, I think. So I think for me that was one of

think. So I think for me that was one of my big moments of the year was kind of

my big moments of the year was kind of having that finally back and yeah it was

having that finally back and yeah it was really nice.

really nice. >> Very cool. I think the original question

>> Very cool. I think the original question from Ashley was actually

from Ashley was actually >> your own your own personal favorite

>> your own your own personal favorite moment trying to rank your achievements

moment trying to rank your achievements which you know it's it's up to you.

which you know it's it's up to you. >> Well I think Leeds was for me my biggest

>> Well I think Leeds was for me my biggest surprise ever and to do it in front of

surprise ever and to do it in front of my parents and family and so many people

my parents and family and so many people who are so close to me. I think you can

who are so close to me. I think you can see me pointing at every single person

see me pointing at every single person in the crowd because I kind of knew

in the crowd because I kind of knew almost everyone there which was amazing.

almost everyone there which was amazing. So I think for me to do that in front of

So I think for me to do that in front of those people I think was incredibly

those people I think was incredibly special and set up a really nice year.

special and set up a really nice year. Set the ball rolling. Yeah. Um all

Set the ball rolling. Yeah. Um all right, Lily Hall05. What's been the most

right, Lily Hall05. What's been the most rewarding thing about coming home to

rewarding thing about coming home to Broccoli? I don't know if that means

Broccoli? I don't know if that means like you know there's no there's no

like you know there's no there's no golden post box this year or something.

golden post box this year or something. Maybe is it like a lifetime supply from

Maybe is it like a lifetime supply from your favorite kebab shop or I'm not

your favorite kebab shop or I'm not really sure.

really sure. So, so there's they actually created a

So, so there's they actually created a mural right by the entrance of Broccoli

mural right by the entrance of Broccoli which um which was incredibly touching

which um which was incredibly touching from kind of yeah from my my area to

from kind of yeah from my my area to show support for me and the community to

show support for me and the community to get behind me and to be proud of me. I

get behind me and to be proud of me. I think that was incredibly special. Even

think that was incredibly special. Even the man in the pizza shop across the

the man in the pizza shop across the road notices me and he gave me free

road notices me and he gave me free pizza yesterday. So really things like

pizza yesterday. So really things like that things like that are just touching

that things like that are just touching because it just feels like your

because it just feels like your community is behind you and I'm

community is behind you and I'm extremely proud of where I'm from and

extremely proud of where I'm from and being a being a broccoli boy being from

being a being a broccoli boy being from it's just incredible that that they they

it's just incredible that that they they reciprocate that.

reciprocate that. >> Yeah. Anyone who's not seen that it's

>> Yeah. Anyone who's not seen that it's well worth a Google Alex broccoli lural

well worth a Google Alex broccoli lural have a look.

have a look. >> Um s it's either screzy or scramy 895

>> Um s it's either screzy or scramy 895 kona one day.

kona one day. >> Wow. Um, it seems like a leap after

>> Wow. Um, it seems like a leap after >> I've not thought that far ahead

>> I've not thought that far ahead actually. Uh, one thing I would say is

actually. Uh, one thing I would say is watching the London Marathon made me

watching the London Marathon made me really want to do the London Marathon at

really want to do the London Marathon at one one point in my life.

one one point in my life. >> So, I'd love to do that at some point

>> So, I'd love to do that at some point when I'm

when I'm >> uh when it when it's appropriate.

>> uh when it when it's appropriate. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> But Konas would be cool, but I don't

>> But Konas would be cool, but I don't know if I'd do it in a competitive

know if I'd do it in a competitive capacity. Have to see.

capacity. Have to see. >> Have to see. Yeah. Uh, Ian Bourmet, are

>> Have to see. Yeah. Uh, Ian Bourmet, are you scared of the Norwegians? Now, that

you scared of the Norwegians? Now, that could have many layers to it, I guess.

could have many layers to it, I guess. I've never seen anyone shout at

I've never seen anyone shout at somebody. Well, I never raced never

somebody. Well, I never raced never raced Alistister in the kind of era

raced Alistister in the kind of era where people obviously talked about him

where people obviously talked about him being a real leader of the pack and

being a real leader of the pack and controlling not controlling people, but

controlling not controlling people, but being able to to help people to help him

being able to to help people to help him and and drive packs and stuff like that,

and and drive packs and stuff like that, which he did incredibly well. But for

which he did incredibly well. But for me, I've never seen somebody as animated

me, I've never seen somebody as animated as as Christian in a race, which is

as as Christian in a race, which is incredible to see. And I wouldn't say

incredible to see. And I wouldn't say I'm scared of him, but it's also it's

I'm scared of him, but it's also it's when you're riding and and somebody's

when you're riding and and somebody's shouting, you're like you that's doesn't

shouting, you're like you that's doesn't make you head. But he's also he's also I

make you head. But he's also he's also I think he's got a lot of respect for me

think he's got a lot of respect for me and I have a lot of respect for him. So

and I have a lot of respect for him. So it's it's cool to have I guess an ally

it's it's cool to have I guess an ally but also not an ally in the in the in

but also not an ally in the in the in the race like that.

the race like that. >> No, for sure. Um

>> No, for sure. Um now dream uh so this is Sunny Leashman.

now dream uh so this is Sunny Leashman. Uh dream training camp where and with

Uh dream training camp where and with who?

who? Oh,

Oh, so I

so I when we were in Malibu, uh Seth took me

when we were in Malibu, uh Seth took me on Seth from Snook took me and Matt down

on Seth from Snook took me and Matt down one of the descents which went down um

one of the descents which went down um from kind of 700 meters high at the top

from kind of 700 meters high at the top of kind of Thousand Oak straight down to

of kind of Thousand Oak straight down to the Malibu Beach and it been completely

the Malibu Beach and it been completely resurfaced. Corners were so smooth and

resurfaced. Corners were so smooth and uh halfway down about 20 Lamborghinis

uh halfway down about 20 Lamborghinis came past us just in the convoy and

came past us just in the convoy and you're like mind a dream what's going

you're like mind a dream what's going on? You descend down to million pound

on? You descend down to million pound houses and and that was amazing and I'd

houses and and that was amazing and I'd love to to be able to go there and ride

love to to be able to go there and ride properly and explore that. um with

properly and explore that. um with everyone from Super League, everyone in

everyone from Super League, everyone in trial, everyone from Super League,

trial, everyone from Super League, everyone from the lead training center,

everyone from the lead training center, everyone from LRA one day when I have

everyone from LRA one day when I have enough money

enough money >> probably not and then I'll go broke it.

>> probably not and then I'll go broke it. It'll be worth it.

It'll be worth it. >> Excellent. Pre-race ritual asks Latchi

>> Excellent. Pre-race ritual asks Latchi Henwood.

Henwood. >> Um I

>> Um I just eat rice before a race. That's one

just eat rice before a race. That's one thing I do. And then I always make sure

thing I do. And then I always make sure I put this uh necklace I'm wearing in my

I put this uh necklace I'm wearing in my side pocket and make sure it's there

side pocket and make sure it's there with me at all times. So cuz that's my

with me at all times. So cuz that's my char my luck charm now. So make sure

char my luck charm now. So make sure that's with me all the time.

that's with me all the time. >> Where did that come from?

>> Where did that come from? >> Uh my my girlfriend actually gave to me

>> Uh my my girlfriend actually gave to me Libby. So um it's got a lion on it. TGB

Libby. So um it's got a lion on it. TGB lion. So yeah. So it's with me at all

lion. So yeah. So it's with me at all times. Part of a lion.

times. Part of a lion. >> Very cool. Last couple then. Who got who

>> Very cool. Last couple then. Who got who got you into triathlon? Who?

got you into triathlon? Who? probably my dad was the one that got me

probably my dad was the one that got me to triathlon. Um he did a bit of

to triathlon. Um he did a bit of triathlon uh prior to to to me kind of

triathlon uh prior to to to me kind of getting involved with the sport. I

getting involved with the sport. I remember going to some domestic races

remember going to some domestic races and watching them race being inspired

and watching them race being inspired and seeing them fly by and thinking,

and seeing them fly by and thinking, "Oh, I want to give that a go." And I

"Oh, I want to give that a go." And I guess like most people, you want to be

guess like most people, you want to be like your parents. You want to be like

like your parents. You want to be like your dad. Um so yeah, I gave that go I

your dad. Um so yeah, I gave that go I gave it a go and was able to go to the

gave it a go and was able to go to the first ever junior triathlon club uh

first ever junior triathlon club uh session. Um, I think the challenge for

session. Um, I think the challenge for me was the thing which is which which

me was the thing which is which which kept me kept me coming back was the fact

kept me kept me coming back was the fact that there were so many things to

that there were so many things to triathlon that challenged me and I

triathlon that challenged me and I wasn't good at. Um, and I think that

wasn't good at. Um, and I think that excited me and kept me coming back and

excited me and kept me coming back and showing up and yeah, kind of getting to

showing up and yeah, kind of getting to here.

here. >> Yeah. And then finally then when the

>> Yeah. And then finally then when the chips are down in a race and you've got

chips are down in a race and you've got to give yourself a bit of a talking to,

to give yourself a bit of a talking to, is there something that you always kind

is there something that you always kind of bring up like a little mantra or

of bring up like a little mantra or anything?

anything? So for me whether things are going good

So for me whether things are going good or bad I always come back to the the

or bad I always come back to the the saying what's next. I think for me

saying what's next. I think for me that's something which brings me back to

that's something which brings me back to the present and make sure I stay on what

the present and make sure I stay on what I'm uh the task at hand and making sure

I'm uh the task at hand and making sure cuz your mind can wander so easy in the

cuz your mind can wander so easy in the race and you can kind of get to the end

race and you can kind of get to the end and forget what you're doing and

and forget what you're doing and especially in the mix relay and super

especially in the mix relay and super league and those super short races where

league and those super short races where you're having to make split-second

you're having to make split-second decisions. you need to be making sure

decisions. you need to be making sure you're you're you're focusing on the

you're you're you're focusing on the kind of next 30 seconds and how you can

kind of next 30 seconds and how you can do that the best you can. And for me, I

do that the best you can. And for me, I always come back to kind of what's next,

always come back to kind of what's next, what uh even though something's gone

what uh even though something's gone wrong, what's next for me to what's

wrong, what's next for me to what's next? What's the best thing I can be

next? What's the best thing I can be doing in this 30 seconds? And uh to kind

doing in this 30 seconds? And uh to kind of get me to the next 30 seconds in the

of get me to the next 30 seconds in the best possible place and keep moving

best possible place and keep moving forward in that in that sense. So, so

forward in that in that sense. So, so yeah, that's kind of for me is that what

yeah, that's kind of for me is that what what's next and it just brings me back.

what's next and it just brings me back. >> Yeah. Presence. Yeah. So, what is next

>> Yeah. Presence. Yeah. So, what is next for you? I mean, you know, do you you

for you? I mean, you know, do you you from the start of the years compared to

from the start of the years compared to you now having, you know, tasted that

you now having, you know, tasted that incredible success? Is it, you know, do

incredible success? Is it, you know, do you feel do you feel like something of a

you feel do you feel like something of a new man? Are you really like just

new man? Are you really like just looking forward to the next couple of

looking forward to the next couple of months off and then next year building

months off and then next year building it straight back up again?

it straight back up again? >> Uh, I think for me the important thing

>> Uh, I think for me the important thing is I just don't want things to change

is I just don't want things to change too much. I think um obviously I was

too much. I think um obviously I was incredibly lucky to have the success

incredibly lucky to have the success from from what I was doing prior and

from from what I was doing prior and I've really enjoyed kind of the time I

I've really enjoyed kind of the time I spent in Lra and the winter I spent

spent in Lra and the winter I spent there. So, I'd love to just kind of go

there. So, I'd love to just kind of go through go through that again with with

through go through that again with with the same people and just just make sure

the same people and just just make sure things stay the same cuz fundamentally I

things stay the same cuz fundamentally I just just love what I'm doing and just

just just love what I'm doing and just want to keep that keep that mantra and

want to keep that keep that mantra and keep yeah I don't know just just keep

keep yeah I don't know just just keep enjoying what I'm doing and hopefully

enjoying what I'm doing and hopefully that will that will lead to to to

that will that will lead to to to similar things and and hopefully lead to

similar things and and hopefully lead to me improving and basically recreate 2021

me improving and basically recreate 2021 that's

that's >> yeah forever just keep in common and

>> yeah forever just keep in common and just have it But uh yeah and Paris long

just have it But uh yeah and Paris long long way off but uh presumably if if

long way off but uh presumably if if selection criteria follows suit yeah you

selection criteria follows suit yeah you won't have to worry about qualification

won't have to worry about qualification and so on for that as much like you know

and so on for that as much like you know it's kind of if you're in the in the

it's kind of if you're in the in the position then you get the slot and um

position then you get the slot and um you know it' be kind of kind of crazy I

you know it' be kind of kind of crazy I mean not just thinking about Parish now

mean not just thinking about Parish now but for the next year's world champs as

but for the next year's world champs as well going into a season you know as as

well going into a season you know as as a marked man it's going to feel kind of

a marked man it's going to feel kind of different right?

different right? Yeah, I guess for me like I still don't

Yeah, I guess for me like I still don't see myself as a marksman. Like I still

see myself as a marksman. Like I still feel like I'm just racing with people

feel like I'm just racing with people that I watch on the telly. Like when I

that I watch on the telly. Like when I was 13, 14 years old, like it's it's

was 13, 14 years old, like it's it's just bizarre. Still feel like I'm

just bizarre. Still feel like I'm progressing and feel like a child of the

progressing and feel like a child of the sport. I feel like I just I just enjoy

sport. I feel like I just I just enjoy what I'm doing and and yes, I almost

what I'm doing and and yes, I almost stand on the start line as an equal. I

stand on the start line as an equal. I feel like I um

feel like I um yeah, I wouldn't say I I personally mark

yeah, I wouldn't say I I personally mark anyone differently or I I have

anyone differently or I I have incredible respect for everyone cuz to

incredible respect for everyone cuz to get to that point it's incredibly tough.

get to that point it's incredibly tough. It takes a lot of investment. It takes a

It takes a lot of investment. It takes a lot of time. So yeah, for me I I don't

lot of time. So yeah, for me I I don't know. It's just

it's just incredibly weird to think that somebody who well I just believe I'm

somebody who well I just believe I'm incredibly normal just somebody who

incredibly normal just somebody who worked hard and just enjoyed what I was

worked hard and just enjoyed what I was doing. for for that to be the case is a

doing. for for that to be the case is a bit bit bizarre, but yeah, really cool

bit bit bizarre, but yeah, really cool at the same time.

at the same time. >> Yeah. Well, you know, it's there's as

>> Yeah. Well, you know, it's there's as the under 23 world champs showed as

the under 23 world champs showed as well, like that that fresh talent coming

well, like that that fresh talent coming through and the breakthrough season

through and the breakthrough season ahead. There's

ahead. There's >> the likes of Alli and and Javier kind of

>> the likes of Alli and and Javier kind of officially, as much as you ever do, I

officially, as much as you ever do, I suppose, hanging up their boots and

suppose, hanging up their boots and Richard Murray probably now, you know,

Richard Murray probably now, you know, unfortunately with his injury and so

unfortunately with his injury and so those start lines are going to start to

those start lines are going to start to look a bit different, aren't they, as

look a bit different, aren't they, as well?

well? you know, inevitably or feel like the

you know, inevitably or feel like the more experienced member up there pretty

more experienced member up there pretty soon. But, um,

soon. But, um, great to talk to you. Thanks ever so

great to talk to you. Thanks ever so much. Congrats again on a on a great

much. Congrats again on a on a great year and yeah, long may those battles in

year and yeah, long may those battles in Leeds and Tokyo and Malibu and Edmonton

Leeds and Tokyo and Malibu and Edmonton continue. We look forward to them.

continue. We look forward to them. >> No, thank you very much. Thanks for

>> No, thank you very much. Thanks for having me. It's nice to just chat. I

having me. It's nice to just chat. I don't know. Every time you speak to

don't know. Every time you speak to somebody, it just seems to, I guess,

somebody, it just seems to, I guess, sink in a little bit more. So, it's

sink in a little bit more. So, it's really nice to just talk it through a

really nice to just talk it through a little bit, I guess. But, yeah. Hello.

little bit, I guess. But, yeah. Hello. Thank you.

>> Thanks to Alex for that brilliant run through of an unforgettable year. That

through of an unforgettable year. That is five of the six Olympic gold

is five of the six Olympic gold medalists from Tokyo 2020 on the pod

medalists from Tokyo 2020 on the pod now. So Jess Leoth, we're coming for

now. So Jess Leoth, we're coming for you. Thanks as always for listening. And

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