The discussion revolves around the controversial and increasingly militarized approach to immigration enforcement in the United States, highlighting concerns about civil liberties and the potential for authoritarianism, while also touching upon the political motivations and societal divisions surrounding the issue.
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You don't want militarized people in the
streets just roaming around snatching
people up, many of which turn out to
actually be US citizens that just don't
have their papers on them. Are we really
going to be the the Gestapo? Where's
your papers? Is that what we've come to?
That's a crazy short clip. I want to
Well, at least now I have a longer quote
to control F. Militarized people in the
streets. How about that, huh?
Militarized people in the streets.
Now we know exactly what to look for.
>> And then I can also see the point of
view of the people that say, "Yeah, but
you don't want militarized people in the
streets just roaming around snatching
many or do something because if we
don't, they're going to keep doing it if
they get in office again in 2028 and
it's going to accelerate and you're
you're you're going to have to take away
some of the damage that's been done to a
true democratic system because you've
kind of hijacked
>> begin from the beginning. Begin from the
beginning." And so now they have
something they they they really dislike.
But who brought it upon? My point is the
left brought this. It's not an answer,
but it's an explanation that the left is
bringing this to their cities because
they're refusing to enforce the laws,
right? And they don't want those laws.
They don't like those laws. They think
that once people are here, they should
be able to stay.
>> And you know, this is what my friend
Gads Sad calls suicidal empathy.
>> Yep. And I think my [ __ ] friend who
made up a term the the the people who
used the term suicidal empathy were the
first guys to throw a hissy fit um over
uh uh making fun of Charlie Kirk. By the
way, like these Oh, suicidal empathy is
when you think it's okay to incorporate
and uh uh you know add into the
citizenry millions of people who
diligently work and live their lives in
this country. But uh it's not suicidal
empathy to uh for the sake of civility
politics uh worship this hatemongerer
piece of [ __ ] uh whose absence makes the
world better, you know?
>> And I think there's there's a balance to
be achieved. I just don't know how it
gets done.
>> God, he's so [ __ ] stupid
>> because I I see both perspectives.
>> Whatever happened to the like um those
who uh um would be willing to sacrifice
their freedom for security deserve
neither. Joe Rogan with his big big
brain over here is like, I guess I don't
like secret police marching doortodoor
demanding people snitch on their
neighbors and reveal the ethnicity of
people in their neighborhood. I don't
like the fact that America is turning
into a literal papers please
authoritarian state where you have to
keep your documents on you at all times
and even that's not a guarantee that
you're not going to be brutalized by
these secret police who hide their
faces. H but on the other hand, it's
really really important to me that we
enforce arbitrary immigration laws that
do nothing but disrupt our economy and
our citizenry. You know, it's really
important to me that we follow those
laws. And Rand Paul, principled
libertarian over here, is like, well,
yeah, obviously obviously you need to uh
you need to enforce immigration law. No,
I no I'm I'm very against government
intervention except I do believe in the
militarized police state that is
required to enforce the borders of a
huge contiguous you know like it's it's
very important to me we spend billions
and billions of dollars every year uh
and erode people's civil liberties if it
means getting at those immigrants. I see
the perspective of the people that say,
"Hey, there was an illegal program
moving people in here to get votes,
moving people in here to get
congressional seats, and we've got to change."
change."
>> Hasn't happened
>> that. We've got to take those people
that got in and send them back to where
they came from or do something because
if we don't, they're going to keep doing
it if they get in office again in 2028
and it's going to accelerate. And you're
you're you're going to have to take away
some of the damage that's been done to a
true democratic system because you've
kind of hijacked it.
>> No, complete completely made up. I it's
I don't I don't know how you're supposed
to engage with people like this. The
idea that Democrats were deliberately
shipping in illegal immigrants in an
effort to um win votes when illegal
immigrants can't vote. Vos is right.
Lying should be illegal genuinely. Like
it's there should be some kind of legal
process where the state can be like hey
you know you have made these claims you
need to defend these claims. We like we
do this with slander and liel. We
literally have this process already for
slander and liel. It's just that there's
no process for doing this when it when
it's about like a broader statement
right it has to be directed towards an individual.
individual.
>> They kind of have. And then I can also
see the point of view of the people that
say yeah but you don't want militarized
people in the streets just roaming
around snatching people up. many of
which turn out to actually be US
citizens that just don't have their
papers on them. Are we really going to
be the the Gestapo? Where's your papers?
Is that what we've come to?
>> So, it's it's more complicated than I
think people want to admit. You know,
people want to look at this as a black
and white issue. You know, if you're a
compassionate person or if you're a pragmatic,
pragmatic,
>> on one hand, we have a real issue and on
the other hand, we have a fake issue. uh
obviously the solution is somewhere in
the middle one that allows us to solve both
both
>> person and I don't think that's true I
think it's both I think it's
>> but I think the argument needs to be
made again and again and the left needs
to hear that they have created this
situation by
>> disobeying the immigration laws by
>> ladies and gentlemen American libertarianism
libertarianism
American libertarianism they created
this uh this situation
yeah the Jews made us do
It's not the people who directly like
empowered. I mean, you could say that
the left did this in the sense the
Democrats also funded the [ __ ] out of
ICE. I mean, I'll I'll hold I'm not
owning up to that myself because I think
the Democrats were so so wrong to have
done that. Um, kind of a bipartisan
issue there. Um,
I couldn't watch the Destiny debate with
some Tik Tocker on this. Yeah, because
conservatives are genuinely like beneath
your consideration. um they have to be
bowled over and dominated. They they
can't you can't reason with them. They
are like anti-reason. Um this is not a
subject on which like it's I I think
that it's humiliating as an American. I
think that it's humiliating that even
the most basic obvious rights that are
founding fathers enshrined in in the
constitution are now up for debate by 60
IQ trogodites who think that every
random [ __ ] talking point they hear
on Joe Rogan or from Nick Shirley or
whatever uh like validates this
onslaught against all of the things that
have thus far survived for a quarter
millennia you know like we're we're
talking about a pretty longlasting
democracy here very flawed one. You
know, we're not getting too too too
starry in our eyes over this. America's
always had its issues, but it's not really
really
We're backsliding like crazy, man. Over
nothing with the stupidest [ __ ]
people. With the stupidest [ __ ]
people over and over and over again,
>> by ignoring the deportation orders, by
not reporting people who are committing
crimes. Now, we're not talking about
some guy mowing lawns. We're talking
about somebody who stole a car.
>> We are, in fact, talking about people
mowing lawns. ISIS going after literally
everyone, including American citizens.
>> Somebody who raped somebody. They are in
jail. So this
>> they're in jail. What? Hold on. They're
in jail. I thought the left was ignoring
them. Or by ignoring them, do you mean
that uh local police were prosecu
arresting and prosecuting them for the
crimes they commit? They just weren't
referring their immigration status to
ICE because they weren't asking for it.
Oh, that's a different thing. This isn't
the ordinary working person who's here
illegally. We're talking about the
criminal illegals in our country.
>> Well, I think most people were in favor
of getting rid of gang members,
criminals, murderers, rapists. Most
people are in favor of taking those people.
people.
>> But the thing is is that the left-wing
cities that are sanctuary cities are not
reporting that. That's part of the
reason why ICE is in Minnesota.
>> But they but they're arresting them.
But they're arresting them. That's the
otherwise, how would you even know that
local people, right? Aurora, Colorado,
where Trend Dog was taking over apartment.
apartment.
>> Also, these these people are so full of
[ __ ] man. The idea that they're only
going after criminals when we know for a
fact that the uh Trump administration
has never given a [ __ ] whether or not an
undocumented immigrant has committed
crimes beyond that. We know for a fact
they've not like they're they're so full
of [ __ ] And you have to be so [ __ ]
stupid as a Republican to watch this.
Like my thought watching this would be
like if I was a Republican, my thinking
would be like, isn't it embarrassing
that we have to pretend that our aims
aren't what they actually are? Like
wouldn't it make you feel cuckled to
watch this and go, you know, oh yeah,
man, we only want to get rid of the
criminal illegals and all the other
illegal immigrants are here to stay or
whatever. You don't believe that. Why
are you pretending to believe that? You
want to you want to get rid of all of
them. You want to get rid of you want to
to get rid of legal immigrants, too.
You've they've been very clear about
that. You want to get rid of swats,
millions and millions and millions of illealized
illealized
citizens. They literally tried to end
the naturalization process. You want to
go after everyone
buildings and they were sanctuary city
so that the police literally could do
nothing about it which is just
>> right pure insanity. Y
>> it's a lot of problem.
>> That's that's fake. Um sanctuary cities
has never meant that illegal immigrants
can't be arrested for crimes. It just
means that they don't track or report
immigration status for the people they arrest.
arrest.
>> But we solved at least half of them. I
think we
>> Rand, uh, thank you so much. I've been a
big fan of yours for a long time.
>> The only good thing that I have to say
about this, I guess, like in the long
run politically, is that I think this
kind of heming and hawing fake centrism
has no future. The Trump administration
is not saying we're only going after the
criminals. The Trump administration is
Hal Hitler posting from all their
socials. This is a pathetic attempt to
moderate. It's a it's a uh we want well
Joe Rogan is and always has been a
grifter, right? He wants to hold on to
an audience even after the Trump regime
collapses, you know, when when the Trump
administration like just implodes
completely and um and and a bunch of
those people like they're all left out
to rot basically. Joe Rogan doesn't want
his audience cut down to a third. So, he
understands that he has to like pitch
these criticisms now. But I don't really
think there's a future for this. the
Republican party is going to have a
schism and one half of it's going to go
to that like Tucker Carlson, Nick
Fuentes, we're going to do Nazism right
this time, no more Jewish involvement or
whatever type [ __ ] and the other
half is going to, in my opinion, be
politically disenfranchised effectively
because a lot of these people are too
stupid and lack the political
imagination to get involved outside of
um I guess like the the Trump um you
know like cult of personality like these
people don't really have a vision for
the future of the country, you Imagine
receding to this. Imagine like going
from yeah Christy nome hal Hitler deport
everyone denaturalize every naturalized
US citizen. This should be a whites only
country and then like five months later
because the needle moved on Trump's
popularity you're watching this cuck
[ __ ] and going like yeah I don't
know um uh I mean we have to follow the
laws but maybe we took it too far. I
don't really think there's a future for
this pathetic fake like you know heming
and hawing less than a million views ass
[ __ ] having a senator on. [ __ ]
you. Libertarians are often more
fascistic than self-identified fascists.
>> Here is how podcaster Joe Rogan
described it.
>> You don't want militarized people in the
streets just roaming around sn
>> Hey, I've seen this clip.
>> Snatching people up, many of which turn
out to actually be US citizens. that
just don't have their papers on them.
Are we really going to be the the
Gestapo? Where's your papers? Is that
what we've come to?
>> That has also become a big part of this
so-called enforcement. I mean,
Minneapolis is not a huge
>> Why are we quoting podcasters on the
news? Well, CNN is barely more
legitimate than Joe Rogan is, but you
know, you follow the attention, right?
If people watch Joe Rogan, you have to
talk about Joe Rogan. I don't talk about
Joe Rogan because I find him
interesting. I'll tell you that much.
>> Okay. and they are absorbing thousands
of of federal officers, more than any
other deployment that they've done so
far. And the we are seeing these
encounters where you're seeing federal
officers, maybe ICE agents, maybe border
patrol, walking down the street,
stopping people. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Sometimes because they look Somali.
>> Holy [ __ ] I didn't realize this. The
Homeland Security Twitter account quote
tweeted Laura Jaded and it's like, uh,
we never hired you. And then [ __ ] um
Laura quote tweeted them with the
screenshot of the website or like a
video of them navigating the website
saying like you've been hired
>> or they look brown or whatever it is.
This is according to those people who
were stopped and asking them where are
your papers? Show me your papers. Where
were you born? That's the stuff that
we're seeing and Americans like Joe
Rogan are concerned about it. And I
think part of it is, look,
Joe Rogan's identity does not depend on
um defending Donald Trump and his
administration doing things that are indefensible.
indefensible.
>> And I see people all the time bending
themselves on TV, bending themselves
into all sorts of pretzel shape because
>> because they subsist from being a Trump
supporter and that's all they've got.
Joe Rogan, I think, is speaking out of
conviction, is speaking out of what he
is seeing. And I think it's reflective
of what a lot of Americans feel right
now. People are showing up at the
streets because they are pissed off at
what is happening in our country. It is
heartbreaking to see these images in
America. We are the the country that's
supposed to be an example for the rest
of the world. And the things that are
happening in our streets are the type of
things that happen in these third world
countries. And they do bring all sorts
of of bad memories. when you see these
masked men.
>> I don't think this rhetoric works on
anyone. Um it I it doesn't I I keep
saying move the needle, but like it's
it's it's kind of apt, you know. Um the
right would be totally okay with living
in a um a third world country as long as
their guy was in charge. They are surf
people. They're like subservient by
nature. They're natural they're natural
slaves. um they would they would accept
any degradation to their standard of
living as long as every day they could
wake up and know that dear leader is
doing like a based in red build thing
that they like targeting people and it's
not just Minnesota. I mean we we
remember the the woman who got pulled
out of the street in Boston by mass men.
We have seen pregnant women dragged in
Minnesota. We saw two young teenagers
who were working at Target like so many
of our children do.
>> American citizens have a job while going
to school being pulled out. I mean,
while screaming, "I'm a US citizen. I'm
a US citizen because they look Latino
and they were Latino." That is
unamerican and unacceptable and good for
Joe Rogan for standing up and denouncing it.
it.
>> Yeah. Okay. Uh-huh. Yeah. Okay. Okay.
>> Of Trump supporters, if they
>> He didn't really do that. a US citizen,
especially a woman, in the face. When
people say it's justifiable because the
car hit him,
it seemed like she was kind of turning
the car away.
Now, Joe, what what was really striking
to me about this Quinnipic poll, 53%
said it was unjustified for the ICE
agent to shoot Renee Good, but I was
also really surprised by how how this
has penetrated. 82% of registered voters
say they saw that video. So you're
talking almost universal. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Fantastic. Thank god the Trump
administration's [ __ ] stupid and
decided to die on this hill. That is
genuinely insane. 82% in a poll that
that degree of um media saturation is
basically unheard of. Like there the the
State of the Union address doesn't get
this kind of numbers. Nothing does. Like
this is a an unbelievably widespread
like widely received video. uh
impressions of what happened there. Is
it I I I don't know. Are Republicans
misreading the situation or risking mis
if anyone saw last segment right I had
no problem defending the officer and I
think Joe Rogan's factually wrong about
his assessment but I am a big Joe Rogan
fan. I listen all the time
>> and he is really uh uh emblematic of one
of the most successful things Trump did
in the campaign. It was to engage
podcasters and win a lot of uh people
who listen to that that type of forum. I
have a conversation in my head with Joe
Rogan for hours every week. I'm a big
>> I'm so I'm so tired of the future of my
country and of my people being hinged on
the whims of genuine mentally ill
people. I'm so tired of it.
Like mentally ill leftists are annoying
in fandom wars on Tumblr. Mentally ill
right-wingers control every level of
media and the government. I like like I
I'm so sick of it. It's so [ __ ] up.
Why does Why does everything have to be
My people equals whites. My people
equals gamers, you [ __ ] [ __ ]
Talk to him. So when I hear him
challenging something that I believe uh
you know or or or my gut reaction to
something, I actually listen to him. So
I do think this is a problem for Trump
because I think he is a very good
barometer of where people stand. Again,
this instant he might be factually wrong
on. I think he is, but he is a good
barometer of
>> he hasn't said anything. He literally
all he's saying is um I disagree with
him on this, but I'm still going to suck
up to him because I understand he's one
of the big like pipelines that try that
brings normies in with Trump.
Like he he's a Republican strategist.
That's his job here, you know? Oh, I
disagree with him on this one, but you
know, I hope he still brings people in.
>> A lot of Trump supporters are. And I
would I would I would have you know how
they have the Waffle House indicator for
a hurricane? Like if the Waffle House is
closed, there might be there should be a
Joe Rogan indicator.
>> All right, with us now, Cena political
commentators care
>> literally like he he said nothing there
but look glook. That that was this is if
I could interrupt everyone for a moment.
Uh I'm Joe Rogan's biggest fan and I
understand that if Joe Rogan ever turns
completely against the Republican party,
we're [ __ ] sunk. So Finny and David
Urban and friends, what what I'd like to
do is not relitigate the video or the
events. I actually want to talk about
how they're landing in comments like the
ones David just made by Joe Rogan who
seems to be saying I support the
president's immigration effort
notionally. I do not like what I'm
seeing on the ground though. He seems to
be saying how pervasive do you think
that opinion is?
>> Yeah, John. Listen, I think it is very
>> extremely pervasive based on the polling.
polling.
>> Very pervasive. Right. Americans
overwhelmingly voted one of the
president's strongest suits. Americans
overwhelmingly voted for this president.
If you look at the numbers and reasons
given um to secure the border and crack
down on kind of the civ that was the
border under the Biden administration
and and and this administration
effectively sealed that border up and
did that. And then um the president
promised to go after the bad ombres and
the drug dealers and get those people
out of America. and and you know the
there's a lot of support for that in
America. What there isn't support for
and the and the polling bears this out.
This isn't David Urban's opinion. Um
this is the polling. It bears out that
people do not want to see what you're
seeing on your screen right now. They do
not want to hear what Joe Rogan is
saying. They don't want to see masked
men um geared up like uh Delta Force
walking down the streets of America
asking people for their papers, throwing
them on the ground, zip tying um people
who are doing sheetrock. uh you know
gardeners, nannies, they don't want to
see that, right? That's not what they
voted for. And so it is it is really
hurting this president.
>> It is it is what half of the country
voted for, you know, give or take.
>> And the numbers on an area where he was
strongest on immigration, strongest, now
it's becoming a weaker point. Um you
know, Karen knows this. Um President
Obama deported lots of folks, but he did
it in a completely different way. the
the Obama administration grabbed lots of
folks who just came across the border.
Um people who were who were who hadn't really
really
>> the the I I'm not defending Obama, but
this often gets like framed incorrectly.
The majority of the quote unquote
deportations under Obama were turnaways.
Rather than seizing people inside the
country, somebody like a undocumented
immigrant or not even an undocumented
immigrant le yet yet, but like a person
moving up into America would cross into
the border and they would be turned away
at the border or sometime after the
border. Like a lot of emphasis was
placed on deterring people as they
entered the country rather than sweeping
up the people already in the country.
That's not to say that Obama didn't
sweep up people who are already in the
country. ICE was already a thing by
then. But um you know, the priority was
different. When we talk about Obama
being the deorter and chief, we're
largely talking about those more
preventative measures being taken by
him. It was objectively far less brutal
than what's happening right now. That's
not a defense though of what was
happening. At the end of the day,
there's no way around this in the long
run apart from there. There are two ways
to deal with the glut of undocumented
immigration from uh Latin America,
right? One of them is what Trump has
done. You make this country so [ __ ] that
nobody wants to come here. right now
border crossings are like zero. Okay,
who the [ __ ] would want to be here right
now? The other option is you have to put
a lot of money into um immigration
courts proceedings and border patrol. I
I I apologize for my uh my my fascist
tendencies here. I don't think it's
innately bad um to have a well-funded
border patrol. It just matters like what
are they doing? Because in my mind, the
job for border patrol should be, you
know, you see a person crossing the
border, you're like, "Hey, you're an
asylum seeker. What are you doing?"
Direct them over to a port of entry. Uh
there's a a whole bunch of like
complicated security concerns that they
would need to manage, which I mean,
they've been doing to varying extents
for over a century. Um but they should
facilitate the process of entering the
country, you know, and that does take a
lot of money. I'm fine with all of it.
Uh obviously, all that can be done
humanely. I'm sorry, why was I talking
about this? integrated themselves in the
communities, hadn't become people's
neighbors. And you know, surprisingly or
not surprisingly, um people don't like
it when ICE shows up in their in their
neighborhood and take away people that
they have relationships with. The Obama
administration was very effective
because they snatch people, people
didn't really know. And in this case, um
neighborhoods see this happening and
they don't like it. So, I think the
tactics need to be addressed.
>> Yeah. I mean, it's factually true. Not
just that
>> the delay.
>> Well, you don't even know what I'm about
to say, David. So, why don't you let me talk?
talk?
>> You know, it's not just that they this
idea that somehow it's there's a
difference between it's not just taking
people that people know. It is the
violence. It is the terrorizing of
communities. It is there's a story in
USA Today. A couple was getting,
>> you know, they've actually been going
doortodoor in Minneapolis. not just
going door to door, they've actually
been asking people about the ethnicity
of their neighbors. Um, saw an article
on that, too. Yet another thing that I
should have saved for stream, there's a
I I think is it a Vietnamese people?
There's like a Vietnamese community in
one of the neighborhoods in Minneapolis
that's like um uh um common there.
Himong, thank you. Is that how it's
pronounced? Himong. Am I in the ballpark
there? And they were like ethnically,
like broadly, a lot of them were
collaborators with the United States
during the Vietnam War. Am I correct in
my memory of that? Um like they were
they were with the side of the the South
Vietnamese. Don't pronounce the H. Just
Mong. Okay. Gotcha. Um gotcha. Uh but
but anyway, um they're they're literally
like going door to door asking people
like, "Hey, are any of your neighbors of
this race?"
That's not legal obviously, but they're
doing it anyway.
>> From a cruise, they're in Miami.
ICE or Border Protection comes into
their cabin, hauls them out. The the
gentleman of of the couple, they're both
American citizens. He's a Coast Guard uh
veteran. I mean, it's the violence that
people are really reacting to. And David
is right. I mean, this is
>> the [ __ ] from Laos. Are they Hold on.
Let me Google really quickly cuz I'm
interested. I I only like briefly this
was like my wake up 8:00 a.m. uh 8:02
a.m. pull up phone open up Twitter uh
like that that was the mental state I
was in when I processed this
information. The Mongor ethnic group
with origins near China's Yellow River
known as free people who migrated to
Southeast Asian mountains, Laos,
Vietnam, Thailand, Myanmar and have
large diaspora communities globally,
especially in the US after fleeing
persecution following the Vietnam War.
Wait, if this is an ethnic group that
fled following the Vietnam War, why the
[ __ ] are they looking for them? Like,
they're not first generation immigrants.
The the if there are any like ethnically
M people in Minneapolis, they it would
be like their children and grandchildren
because they're not white. Yeah, I guess
>> really people are very aware of this
story and they're very aware of other
stories where they're seeing this armed
militia essentially acting as though
Americans have no rights. We have the
right to ask someone to see their badge,
who they are, but these ICE officials
are acting as though you don't have that
right. And
>> yeah. All right. Well, whatever. The the
lesson here, I guess, is that uh no
matter no ma whatever he says, far right
or far left, the um the the the sanctity
of Joe Rogan as a media institution
remains unchallenged by CNN.
No one can ever just say, "Boy, that
guy's a [ __ ] massive [ __ ] and a hypocrite."
Vietnamese actually the third most
common language in Nebraska. Really?
That's interesting. What a beautiful
diverse country we have and will have
despite this administration. They can't
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