This podcast episode features a discussion between Dave Rossi and Ashton Forbes (with a late appearance by Salvador Pais) exploring advanced physics, unconventional technologies, and their potential implications for national security and humanity's future, touching upon topics from UFOs and time travel to fusion energy and consciousness.
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Hello everybody and welcome to another
episode of the hard truths podcast.
Guys, today's episode is with Salvador
Pais, US Navy Engineer and Dave Rossi,
who is a defense contractor engineer
himself as well. Sal's having some
technical difficulties right at the
moment. Uh so we're going to just get
started with Dave and I right off the
bat. Dave, welcome to the live stream.
How you doing today, brother?
>> Good. Thank you so much for having me. I
appreciate it and I've been watching
your stuff and it's uh always a pleasure
to to be back on. And I know it's been I
think about a year at this point, so
it's it's about time to come back. So,
thank you for having me.
>> People keep saying you got to have Dave
back on. We got to chat. Especially
because, man, you've had some crazy
interviews. So, right before we jump
into that, I can see S down in the in
the bottom. He's got some technical
difficulties with his camera, guys. I
apologize. Uh he's going to try to get
it figured out. Um but if we can't, then
we may cut it short and we may
reschedule the S portion. But I've got a
lot of great questions for Dave. Um,
starting right off the bat with what I
really wanted to ask you about is Eric
Davis. Like you
>> and nobody can get an interview with
Eric Davis except for the the infamous
salad interview now which is one of my
favorites where they like ambushed him
like Jesse Michael's crew or something
ambushed him and did an interview with
him with a salad. Like how is it that
you're able to get these interviews with
Eric Davis? Do you have like a personal
relationship with him?
>> Um, I will say yeah we're we're friends.
Yeah. Uh person on a personal level. Um,
I again out of respect for for his
privacy and whatnot, um, I I promise
that with further questions, I won't be
uh, you know, playing footsy, so to
speak. But yeah, no, he's a he's I can
tell you, and I'll come full circle with
this answer. He is certainly without
question, one of the smartest people
I've ever met in my life. Um, the guy is
literally, as you've seen from my
interviews, right? The guy's literally
like a library. You can ask him
something no matter the time of day and
and he'll pluck it out and he'll tell
you. Um, personally, yeah. No, we're
we're we're personal friends. Um, and
he's, uh, I consider him in certain
aspects or regards, you know, like, uh,
much like S, like a, you know, mentor. I
look up to a lot of Eric's papers and
work and and whatnot. Um, I guess we've
just had a bit more of a personal
relationship where, you know, when I've
asked him sometimes, would you want to
come on the show? He he says yes and
he's happy to do it. And, uh, to be
fair, there were other times, you know,
when I asked and and he was busy and so
on and so we had to wait. But yeah, no,
that's um um don't I'm reading between
the lines. I believe me, you and your
audience, I know you guys are getting
that and I and yes, I will say he's a
he's a personal friend. Um uh very very
uh very nice guy. He's always been very
nice to me and everything. And uh I've
um I am always blown away by his uh by
his physics work just like uh just like
S. [clears throat]
>> Um so let me ask so so he's your mentor.
Is that is that true? Uh I I don't want
to go around and you know boastfully say
oh this person's my mentor this or that
or whatever. Um he's someone that I
would say I sure I look up to I go to
for you know uh advice in in scientific
realms and whatnot. And you know I've
presented some things to him that are
considered you know sort of on the out
there of of physics. And I will tell you
that one of the things I really
appreciate about him is that he doesn't
dismiss any concepts or any proposals
off offhand. um he's always very much
investigating into what is actually
being proposed and he really does take
the time to listen to uh to the
technological possibilities of what
you're trying to present. Um so I I will
say that yeah he's he's very attentive
in that in that regard. I remember he
did a radio interview I think about six
or seven years ago where uh the
interviewer had said you know what's it
like working in fringe physics and he
said well it's not really fringe physics
we don't like to call it that it's more
just outside of the box physics and so
that's that that's what I would say and
you you could say yeah I look uh
definitely look up to him in that regard
>> so and I want to talk about the outside
the box thing in a second but before we
do that and I hope this isn't too
personal is that I think I don't
remember who it is but somebody said
that Eric Davis isn't capable of lying
and I will say From my own impression,
watching interviews, he seems very
forthcoming with information, but at the
same time, he's kind of guarded. Like, I
think he even implied that he was
trained by the CIA to avoid questions or
he said something along those lines in
your interview. So, where's your do you
think that he is lying to protect
national security with respect to like
technology and advancements? I mean,
specifically, I'm talking about his
wormhole teleportation physics science
because there's a big disconnect in my
mind between him bragging to uh I think
it was George Knap or something like or
on Coast to Coast or whatever, bragging
about General Lonnie holding up his
teleportation physics study going, "This
is the type of research I want done in
my Air Force research labs, right?" I'm
going and then but then you ask him
like, "Oh, well, does anybody have
this?" And he's like, "Nope, nobody has
this. Nobody's had." It's like, "How do
I connect?"
>> How do you how do you reconcile? Sure.
And believe me, my mind has gone to the
notion that of course are there
facilities out there in which are not
connected with the air force or are
connected to the air force or the
military in non non-official capacities
per se or an indirect direct I call
direct indirect ways that may in fact be
working on that. I I think it's it's
very possible. I mean, I don't rule it
out. Now the in terms of the the
progress that's been made probably pro
possibly far more than than we may
think. Um in terms of in terms of that
but uh I guess you could say officially
I mean for sure he was definitely uh uh
as he said trained uh I believe I don't
want to speak for him but uh by CIA in
certain aspects and areas and do I think
that uh certain things have to be uh
have to be watched carefully for the
protection of national security? Yes.
Um, do I think that um, how can I put
it? Um,
it's it's not it's it's like it's like a
it's not a it's not a binary one or zero
type answer. There are things that are
very uh fringe so to speak that that he
will speak on and see possibilities in.
Um but then if taken to a certain next
level uh sometimes again there's a no
comment response or there is a uh you
know nothing nothing's there response
and sometimes you have to wonder maybe
if that is indicative of something else.
Um, yeah.
>> So, here's another side question related
to that is he brought up the peds,
presidential emergency action documents,
which I had never heard of before. And
he brought them up in the context of
like this is where they're hiding the
UFO stuff. What do you think is in those
peeds that would be connected to UFOs
that is at that level where the
president and who do you think
>> or let me just this is the other part
I'll say is that so first of all what do
you think the peeds are like if you had
to list an example of what a pied might
be for people it can even be a
hypothetical one and then do you think
people like Hal Pudof for example might
be somebody who the CIA calls upon to
determine when they enact those peds.
Could that be a thing?
>> Sure. So, one thing I'll say is that I'm
just to clarify for your audience, of
course, I'm not wellversed in the whole
notion of, you know, government uh
government acronyms and documents and
what certain documents may entail over
others or whatnot. I'm, as you know,
more of the engineering, you know,
interest in science and all that
approach. But um I would say that if
again my opinion those pets probably are
comprised of some type of cohesive
overall breakdown of what a presidential
um executive authority enacted many
decades ago and what has since led to
that. Or maybe simply just the
description of what that executive
action entails is enough to just that
the by definition that that entire
description on those pages would be
enough to force a um classification to
the point where it would be above top
secret per I would imagine that in my
mind I would envision the peds as being
some type of uh certainly a quote
unquote juicy document if you will but
something that gives a breakdown uh an a
matter-of-act established breakdown of
why the executive order was signed, what
the executive order entails, and dare I
say go as far as, you know, you know,
potential crash retrieval, um potential
uh you know, recovery of certain
materials and and and whatnot. And I
think that ultimately that would be it
would not be something that an engineer
could look at and say, "Okay, I could
make something from the what I see in
these documents." I I think it would be
more of a an overall breakdown for
someone like the president who is not um
scientifically uh inept enough to
understand equations if he looked at
them and so on and so forth. Nor is that
his job. So I think we'd be looking at
more of a um an overarching breakdown of
a set of events that the executive
orders um authorized. Uh and that would
of course still be damning if ever
leaked or released obviously. So, you
know what I think about? I mean, you're
implying that there could be crash
retrieval type stuff. And honestly, I
don't know what's in the pizza. I think
nobody really does know what's in them.
Uh I I think we do know that they have a
branch that's like an administrative
branch that's parallel to the presidency
that has some level of control over them.
them. >> Um
>> Um
>> Oh, and I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You had
asked if if people like Dr. Pudof and
others would be part of that decision.
Let me just say if I could parallel
that. Um, you mentioned a parallel
branch, which I appreciate you saying
very much because I think we we have to
reconcile the notion that a lot of these
not just programs, but a lot a lot of
these um a lot of these actions and and
uh movements that have been taken uh for
better or worse and efforts that have
been made often report to an unofficial
body, if you will, that is purely based
on uh credibility and trust and you
could say handshake agreements in which
nothing is ever put on paper. that does
have an influential say in the parallel
branch, which would be the official
government, uh, if you will, because
it's been speculated by others in the
past and by others that have been inside
some of these programs allegedly, that
the these programs are and the people
who over the groups that oversee these
programs are a mixture of both quasi
government and non-government entities,
right? So I think that something like
that would probably be in parallel with
um a an official government uh uh
structure. Now whether you want to call
that a shadow government or what have
you, that's that's up for debate and you
know we can discuss that at a later
time. But I think there would be
parallel groups um unofficially having
large influences in fact in areas,
departments and compartments of
government that they they would wield
power that is um how can I put it uh
stronger than the official government.
So you mentioned that you you gave an
example of like okay maybe there's crash
retrieval stuff and there's a thing that
says okay if the aliens crash and this
is how we're going to capture it. I that
seems more low like that doesn't seem
like the kind of thing that would have
to go to that high a level for me. When
I think about it, you know what I think
about is what would be the plan for when
Russia shoots a hundred nukes at us and
then how do we respond? Sure. We can't
wait for congressional approval when you
have nuclear winter about to happen. To
me, the peds definitely have nuclear
absolutely responses in them. Right.
>> I think you're absolutely correct more
so than myself. Absolutely. I think also
the P's pro very likely entail
breakthrough technologies that are
considered so sensitive that uh as we
saw with forgive me I forgot his name
Matthew Borland I think he said when he
talked about the value of of these craft
is not the structure of the craft itself
or whatnot it's the power source and
>> I think of course that's where um a lot
of this lies right the and we also have
to consider multiple ways of building
that power source.
Yeah, I think that that's exactly what
they're doing. I spoke to Dr. Greer a
few weeks back, maybe about a month ago
now. And I think that when I think Eric
Davis implied that they were using the
peds to cover up this advanced
technology, this UFO technology, what
have you. And that would make sense that
they would add to it. It's like you come
to you get some major breakthrough from
reverse engineering or even just if it's
doesn't even require reverse engineering
is that you would add it to those Ps and
you would hide it at that level that
that level of classification that's kind
of just above everything else. Um,
>> right. And if I so if I could say very
quickly, we also know that there are
certain things within government that
parallel with this unofficial set of
entities or factions of groups in which
certain information is deemed so
classified that it doesn't even go
through official classification
processes because the the the the
processes it would have to go through
too many hands would be touching and
seeing that information. So in some
cases sounds crazy but in some cases
it's a literal handshake you know wink
and a nod old you know like in the the
old days type kind of agreement.
>> No that makes sense. Although I do think
a lot of it's classified. I mean if you
look at even nuclear codes and nuclear
secrets like it's all very it's all
organized classified. That's how the
government works in that respect and
then you just have to have a very high
level of classification to even be able
to see it on reports and things like that.
that.
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that one
thing that's concerned me that I've
learned and I want to get your opinion
on this um is that there feels like
there's a little bit of like I mean this
is going to be obvious but like a good
old boys club or like a cult of actual
secrecy around
>> oh sure
>> technology this let's call it UFO
technology for now
>> um and that's the reason how it hasn't
come out is that people are generally
shunned if they did it and my personal
view is that it's it's connected to
nuclear weapons that's why I was kind of
implying the peds and
So, actually before we get into all that
and the good old boys club thing, I
guess what I want to ask is one more
question on on Eric Davis. Um, and this
is a a question that came from JK Philly
fan, but I wanted to know too is that
Eugene Potclanov has
>> been pretty popular for basically
pushing this idea that we can get
gravitational manipulation with spinning
superconductors and we can produce
thrust. um depending on the design and
engineering of it.
>> Um I watched an interview with George uh
Hathaway actually on Charles I think it
was on Charles Chase's onlab videos >> right
>> right
>> where they go deep into it and George
Hathaway pretty much says like we tried
to build it but like you know um Popov
didn't give us everything. He didn't
tell us all of it so we had to do our
best to do it and then we tried to do it
and it didn't work. So, you know, we
wanted it to work, but it didn't. And, right,
right,
>> I got kind of sketchy vibes from
listening to him where it's the same
thing that people tell me about like the
MH370 videos is people be like, "I
wanted it to be real, but you know what?
It's just not. So, just stop talking
about it, you know?" So, and and when
Eric Davis gets asked about it, which is
he he kind of poo poos it as well, like,
"No, it didn't really work. It's not
really legit." And I'm kind of like,
huh, if you're the kind of person that
believes in like, you know, wormhole
physics, science, and and gravitational
manipulation and waves, like you should
be pretty much cheerleading that, I
would think. So, like, what is your take
on these guys? And like what's going on
with it? Does the Panov stuff work and
they're just, you know, doing
disinformation on it or does it really
not work? And are those guys right? Did
they have something wrong? Like,
>> sure. Well, you you make an interesting
point cuz one thing I wanted to point
out before I answer your question as
well is that I know from a podcast that
was done or hosted by um I believe an
miss uh Mrs. Anna Brady Estz of the National
National
>> Yes. of the National Science Foundation.
I know that um uh Lou Darro, a highly
respected naval engineer, was on that
that podcast panel and he brought up Pod
Kletnoff as well. And I find it
interesting that no one on that panel
objected. Now maybe it was out of
respect because it was on a podcast but
hard to say. Now I will tell you that I
I know from my personal experience there
were attempts at replicating the the
potent experiment in which uh did not
work by groups I know and others.
However, I want to emphasize the notion
of giving up too easily and and not
trying to go down that path. I believe
in my humble view I do believe that
there was a there there to some extent
whether it is with the setup that pod
Kletenoff had established or with other
setups that for example were more
pulsebased like Claude Per's example of
a super pulsed superconductors and so
on. Um I will say though that it is and
I really mean this in the sincerest way
there were attempts at replications and
they were not successful because certain
conditions were not met. Now I do
believe in my humble view there are much
better approaches to take than the
podenoff spinning disc. But if those
results were able to be replicated, they
would certainly indicate that there is a
there there and I can say for certain
that in my humble view there is most
certainly a connection with rotation
uh torsion. Um there was something a
long time ago I saw on the internet that
the Soviets called gravitational
rotation. They had deemed that, you
know, Einstein's general relativity
model was considered a static model at
best and that u you know the ether or
the quantum vacuum should be viewed more
as a fluid-like substance and should be
treated as a real physical um entity if
you will. And so I think that Pod
Kletenoff spurred a lot of uh he's his
experiment or at least the claims of his
experiment springboarded a lot of people
like Ning Lee. And I I personally
believe that Ning Lee had a significant
amount of success, which is why her
stuff went classified. Um, and that'll
be that could be for a different
conversation. But I think that Pod
Kletnoff's uh initial experiments were
conceptually appropriate to motivate
people. But just because they didn't
work in replication doesn't mean that
people shouldn't be looking at torsion
and superconductors in my opinion. Now,
there have been rumors that some people
have successfully replicated his
results. Um, but I've yet to interact
with any of those people on a direct level.
level.
>> You know what I always think about when
I think about the spinning
superconductor thing is I think about
Eric Laith White and I think about
>> the Veritassium recreation. Veritassium,
very popular YouTuber. I think it's got
like 20 million subscribers physics
>> and he did like the the fact check or
the the mythbusters thing on it and
basically took this spinning 40 lb
weight I think on a on the end of a
stick 40 pound weight at the end of a
stick. So you can't lift that up right
with one hand unless you're like really
well you know fit and you just spin it
around and I don't know exactly the RPM
but all of a sudden now you can just
lift it over your head with one hand. as
long as you're like moving it in the
direction of the motion of the spin, you
can do it really easily. And I always
think about that because I remember his
answer is, well, yes, it's real, but
it's just normal physics, right? It's
normal physics. And I always laugh at
that because I go, yeah, everything is
normal physics. So, anti gravity
manipulation is also normal physics,
right? It's just like we, you know, it's
all in the math that's already there.
It's like there's just a little recipe
missing. You know, a little thing. And I
would say if we add what like S his
whole thing is charged matter, right?
The movement of charged matter.
>> Well, manipulation, gravity. Go ahead.
>> Well, I was going to say yes. As a
matter of fact, Eric Laithweight, I
think throughout the mid to late 70s and
certainly throughout the 80s, he was
going around giving speaking engagements
in which he was emphasizing the notion
of anomalous effects with rotating
gyroscopes without question. Um, it's
unfortunate that a lot of his work was
suppressed. I think that that guy should
have been put in way more uh many more,
you could say scientific halls of fame,
if you will. But I believe that without
question, there is something mysterious
with regards to uh gyroscopic rotation.
There have been um people in the past
that have tried to conflate or uh
deliberately uh confuse people, although
the people I'm referring to now have
since passed away. They're they were
trying to say, well, there was
investigation into gyroscopic rotation,
but that has nothing to do with
anti-gravity. And I would uh very
respectfully uh push back on that and
say that the two are very much
interconnected uh very much so,
especially when you consider the notion
that yes, it's it was a rudimentary
experiment, but it was a proof of
concept nonetheless. that when he spun
that gyroscope around him, he was able
to um [clears throat]
he was in fact able to uh make the the
gyroscope was much lighter. He was able
to lift it above his head very easily.
>> Yeah. So I I just I don't know. I think
that's interesting. I think that the
lesson that people need to learn is that
there like a lot of physicists and
scientists and engineers have been out
there working on this stuff and they've
been doing it since I mean even the 40s,
50s, 60s. And that's the main topic I
wanted to get to tonight or today. So if
just in case people are just tuning in
right now, uh Salvatore Pis is having
technical difficulties with his audio
and his video on both of his computers
today. So I think he's trying to restart
right now. If that doesn't work out,
I'll reschedule with S and potentially
bring Dave back to do some questions
together. But um without him, I'm going
to keep going and I want to talk about
because I want to ask you the same
questions I want to ask uh S about. I
mean, I think that you guys have been
watching some of my live streams, so you
can kind of predict what some of these
questions are going to be. Sure. But I
want to ask them in a little bit more
fun way. Uh, let's go back to UFOs. Um,
in the UFO community, in the lore, there
is this big connection between nuclear
weapons and UFOs, right?
>> There's this idea that uh I think it was
um crap, his name's uh Bob Robert uh
what's his last name? Forgetting it.
Crap. I met him in person, too. But uh
so like this idea that UFOs are turning
off nukes. What do you think the
connection is between UFOs and nukes?
>> Sure. So um I'll get right into
explaining and this may [clears throat]
take a few minutes to explain but I'll
come full circle on it. We know that
there's been discussion over the decades
and again it's been considered fringe.
Some will call it seinal depends on who
you're asking. Uh with regards to um Oh
yes, even Robert I think Salas. Yes. The
>> right right. And so I would say that
when it comes to that aspect, it's
interesting because in engineering we
know that there are certain phenomena
that exist where if you were to take the
electric and magnetic fields and sum
those fields to zero, classically we're
told that nothing occurs. But in certain
when certain conditions are met under
those uh parameters, you actually get
this other type of force in which is um
it they're like electromagnetic sound
waves but they're not electromagnetic
when you measure them. It's a little par
it's a little uh counterintuitive. Now
the reason I bring all of this up is
because it's been proposed that th that
leads to the generation of what's been
called uh longitudinal scalar waves. And
there have been some papers published
that have shown uh proof of concept that
you know these alleged scalar waves do
actually have a physical force even
though they can't be measured uh
classically. It's possible that when
nukes are released the nukes release a
significant amount of longitudinal
scalar waves that um for sure at this
point we know about as humans but many
decades ago uh you know World War II
likely didn't or had vague um
understanding of it. And it's possible
that those waves interfere with other
aspects of our uh reality that we've yet
to technologically uncover. And it's
possible that maybe some if there are
nonhumans, it's possible that they are
pretty ticked off with those with us
using weapons that basically release
certain type of wave functions and wave
uh waves that we don't and fields that
we we can't even pick up yet because to
us it does these things don't exist
because they can't be measured. Well,
we're only as good as the measuring
devices that we build. And so I think
that there's a connection there that and
I believe of course the radiation is
terrible, too. And everything that we do
know about the, you know, nuclear bombs
and weapons is absolutely the the the
power is terrifying. But I do think
there are additional forces that are
generated every time a a bomb goes off.
um more so with hydrogen thermonuclear
bombs than anything else. That really
upsets um potential nonhumans or maybe
even humans in hiding that know about
this type of this these type of energy
fields uh that simply we haven't at the
time decades ago were not measuring when
we were when we tested the bombs.
>> Yeah. You see that's the that's the I
think the popular perspective. The
perspective is we're interfering with
the aliens and their you know their mode
of transportation could be one thing
right if if and first of all let me just
say are scalar waves gravitational waves
are those synonymous
>> you can you can say that there's a conf
there's an overlap because you could say
that these waves are um all all these
longitudinal scalar waves vector and
scalar potential waves they are
resistant to um excuse me they have no
resistance to inertia and if you were to
amplify by those fields using resonance.
You may realize that the the power
coming from it is actually cold and not
hot and then that overlaps into room
temperature superconductivity and so on
and so forth. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Yeah.
>> So my view is that I have a different
perspective which that that's probably I
think that's correct. I think there's
just more than one reason. I'd love to
hear what you aliens came down and were
like, "Hey, chill out guys." like that
would make sense is like oh the nukes
are messing with spaceime the same way
that the alien ships are flying around
>> but then I take that to the next level
and I go wait a minute
>> that means nukes are UFOs to some degree
they're using the same type of you know
maybe it's different a crude
approximation it's like okay we're
figuring out transportation we're
starting with the horse and now we're
moving on to our car now we're building
a Ferrari
>> right and that's like what we're doing
with nukes Right.
>> And before I let you opine on that,
here's the thing that seems obvious to
me now is of course nukes are
manipulating spaceime. Like I don't know
how this hasn't been more obvious in
retrospect. If you ask Grock or if you
ask the physicists, they'll say no, it's
not it's not getting to the energy
levels that are high enough. Like we
have so many orders of magnitude higher
that they have to get. But if you look
at the concept of a thermonuclear device,
device,
we are detonating a fusion implosion in
our thermonuclear. You could say, yes,
in the conventional a bomb, which is a
release of energy, >> right?
>> right?
>> You're never going to have significant
space-time manipulation because your
energy is always becoming more and more diffuse,
diffuse, >> right?
>> right?
>> So, if your original thing wasn't
manipulating spaceime, then converting
it to energy also won't manipulate spaceime,
spaceime,
>> right? But
space-time manipulation is all about
energy density, right? It's all about
energy density. So if I take, let's just
say my phone right here, right? The
amount of energy I've got in this phone
and I want to convert this to energy
from mass. Well, if I want to increase
the energy density, then I compress it
down, right? The more I compress this
down, the more the energy density goes
up. Like that's
right. So then when I think about, okay,
well, what were they trying to do with
the hydrogen bomb? It's like, oh, they
were trying to create an implosive type
of fusion bomb detonation. So now I'm
going, okay, well, now this is all that
we need is instead of doing the A bomb,
we just needed the H bomb and we need
the compression. And if you start with
enough or you compress your your atoms
down enough, then theoretically you
should be able to get to whatever energy
densities you need presumably get to a
black hole.
>> That I would say that I agree with most
of it. The one thing that I would humbly
Oh my gosh, there he is. Yes.
>> Oh, brother
Ashton brush brother Ashton had the
right solution. Sorry, man. I now I'll
do exactly what you say. I'm so happy
you're here, S. Thank you so much,
>> bro. Bro, uh, your discussion is
extremely interesting. Just give me 10
minutes. Uh, even at the end of the
podcast, I got to give you, and this is
no joke, a formula for time, for time
travel, and something that has to do
with breaking the Schwinger limit. You
see breaking the Schwinga limit is not
only important for thermonuclear
devices of fourth generation as brother
Ashton has been incred your your
research into this area and your
knowledge by the way the ripple effect
you have to bring Dr. Joseph Farrell on.
>> He has some exquisite ideas regarding
the ripple effect and exactly what was done.
done.
>> Well, I got blocked by uh by dark
journalist, so we might be stepping
towards that direction. We'll see. But
so let's jump in. Let's I'm glad you
jumped in. Let me have Dave answer what
I just mentioned. And I wanted to get
your opinion on this too, S. So, just as
a quick recap, essentially what I'm
saying is that
>> people that worked on the fusion bomb
would have figured out space-time
manipulation because spacetime
manipulation is all about energy density
and they're working in the highest
energy physics that exists and they are compressing
compressing
you know their fusion payload imploding
their fusion payload to increase energy
density. Do you first of all so Dave do
you agree with that assessment or what
is your thoughts on that?
>> Well, I'm going to say first off it's a
blast. I'm so happy that S was able to
make it brother. Thank you for coming
on. And I do want to say now that he now
that he is here, I do want to say that
what I'm about to answer with does not
reflect anything that the cell does or
does not reflect anything of any
government. It's my personal opinion.
When you asked about the nuclear fusion
aspect with regards to amplifying the
density, I would agree with you.
However, I would add one thing to what
you said, which is that in my humble
opinion, there needs to be an aspect of
that process in which there is a
reversal of the entropy in which in in
which that system behaves within. And
then when that pinching effect occurs,
you then may get very cold nuclear
radiation instead of hot. And then you
with with that bal that offset of cold
and hot in a vortex-like manner, then
maybe you can you can break that limit.
So yes, I'll I'll leave it there.
>> I'll take it one step further. Brother
Ash, sorry to interrupt your train of
thought. I know you're thinking some
genial thoughts, but this is important.
Breaking the Schwinger limit does
something something astonishing.
It destroys the arrow of time. And
that's how time manipulation, especially
reverse temporal excursion, can take
place. I will I will try to convince you
brother Ash because I know you do not
believe in travel to the past. But under
this when you break the Schwinger limit
brother everything goes because you
destroy the arrow of time. Number one.
Number two remember Stephen Hawking he
takes in his chronology
uh protection conjecture. He allows for
the hour of time not to be disturbed.
That's why those things are once you
break the schwinger limit, forget about
it. Anything goes.
>> Travel to the past is feasible. But you
must first break the Schwinger limit.
Give me 10 minutes at the end of this
podcast. Whenever you have time, I will
give you the mathematical formalism of
time travel to the past. A time machine,
gentlemen. A time machine to the past.
And by the way,
>> [ __ ] causality. Excuse my language, but
this idea of cause and effect has always
bothered me. This [ __ ] grandfather
paradox. Ah, [ __ ] your grandfather. No,
it's not. You know what? Anything goes
the moment you break the arrow of time, brother.
brother.
>> So, you think you're creating new
universes then? I mean, that's the only
interpretation, right? Or do you have
another interpretation? Many univer
you could argue superimposed timelines
within it's a it's it gets comp. I would
say in my humble opinion that um if you
look for example at the the the notion
of if you if you read very very
carefully what Elia Priosin had written
which was that when you have entropy in
a system as it fills up if you can in an
engineering way which this has been
shown if you can find a way to prevent
the entropy within that system from
growing what happens is it's been
observed that there's actually more
organization in the system the lower the
entropy is um And I would say that would
speak to the the rever the the the
breaking of the time arrow. And also I
would mention as well that if you look
specifically at the um oh jeez I sorry I
just got a a brain fart but the uh oh oh
yes the grandfather paradox. There are a
couple professors in the past 20 years
that I believe and I I would agree with
them seem to have solved the issue of
that paradox which is that you could go
back in time to certain particular
points and then you can super what you
do in that previous event will
superimpose over the the the present
event and so on and so forth. But
anyways, um,
>> so I think what you're saying there is
more of the like whatever you did
already h always happened like that, you
know. So you could go back and because
there's two ways you could do it, right?
Is that one you can go back in time and
you create a new timeline. Therefore, we
don't have to worry about how you messed
with the first timeline or have you. The
other way, which is, spoiler alert, the
show's been out there long enough, but
the show Dark, right? the show Dark as
it German show they have this closed
loop time process where you can go back
in time and in fact they now this is
really getting spoilery um you can
create your own universe right you can
create your own self-contained universe
loop as long and and I think even John
Kramer talks about this is like time
travel's allowed so as long as the loops
are closed so
>> I right closed loop tempor
um temporal manipulation right I I would
say personally Yeah, John Kramer is a
genius, brother. John Kramer is a
genius. The transactional interpretation
of quantum mechanics will one day not
only prove extremely viable, but
remember he used he really uses bow
mechanics. He truly is a great student
of bone. Bow would be incredibly proud
of this man. I would love to meet him.
We should all try to meet him one day.
>> And Aaron Hoff Aaron Hoff agreed too.
Aaron Hoff recently did an interview
with um what's his face? Kurt Jungle and
said straight up he thinks that like
time is moving in two directions and
then it's median. I'm going well that's
the you know transactional
interpretation right there.
>> Well, think of the think of the um the
one electron theory with Fineman and the
the notion of of fractals, right? If you
can maybe it's possible you can make a
little universe because it's a fractal
of a larger one.
>> Just a thought.
>> And that speaks to what I think you've
said and Dr. Hal Pudaf has said about if
you go inside of a UFO it could be the
different different size on the inside
than it appears to be on the outside,
right? Is that that would be kind of an
idea of how that would work. So just to
give people an example of how a closed
time loop might work. Closed time loop
would be a situation where like I give
myself the Nobel I give myself a pri
award-winning book, right, that makes me
famous. I go I'm in the future. I go
give younger Ashton an award-winning
book or future Ashton comes back and
gives younger Ashton the MH370 videos,
right? And then I get older and who gave
Ashton the younger Ashton the videos? I
did. So I have to invent time travel, go
back in time and hand myself the other
book. And as long as I do that, well
then the question is who who wrote the
book? Who made the videos? Nobody did.
Nobody get made them. But that's a
closed time loop and that works as long
as the loop just keeps continuing like
that. So I hope that's not the case. But
the reason why that scares me a little
bit is that any form of that time travel
being real would absolutely justify.
justify.
>> He who controls time controls everything else.
else.
>> It's possible it's like the Schroinger's
cat where you gave yourself the award
but you also didn't at the same time.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. or like I I wrote
the book but who wrote the book right
that I gave back to I never wrote it so
who gave me that book like
>> and if I can mention to what brother Sal
said um the like the ruling of time I
I'm paraphrasing here but the very
famous quote that Oppenheimer liked to
quote which was I am death the destroyer
of worlds I've come across some research
recently that suggests the original
translation was actually I am time the
destroyer of worlds
>> oh my god oh my god there's a great
American poet that says time is The fire
in which we burn.
>> I Yes. Yes.
>> And this is a old hermetic idea. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Very important. We do not brother Ash,
brother Rossi, we do not understand the
nature of time. I truly believe time is
a type of energy field which prevents
everything from happening at once.
>> I agree. It is not your idea for example
of just a physical interpretation of the
the ruling of clocks
>> and since we are on the topic of time I
know I said at the end of the pod but
I'm I'm rolling here and the juices are
flowing just let me give you this okay
we already discussed part of it but I
will recap
>> for your followers and your subscribers
both of you guys are great by the way
and you Ash Both brother and Rossi and I
agree. You are formidable.
I would hate to piss you off ever. So
disregard that ever from happening.
That's a solemn promise. Brother, you're
my brother. Just like brother Rossi. You
you two are my blood brothers. Anybody
that goes against the trio, the triarchy
of greatness, [ __ ] them. Now, okay, let
me go back to uh this is reverse
temporal excursion. the idea of the
possibility of going back in time and
not just sending communication back.
Now, we're talking about physically
physically affecting the temporal
structure. It it involves the breaking
of the Schwinglement. Why? That is the
only way you could circumvent the great
Stephven Hawking. His chronology
uh protection uh conjecture is based on
yellow time. The only thing that can
destroy the arrow of time is the
breaking of the swinging limit.
>> This formalism is based on it. The whole
idea starts simple. Again, Arkins razor
simplicity and minimalism. Time is on
the order of one divided by frequency.
Again, the great Nicholas Tesla said
everything is energy, frequency, and
vibration. And by the way, brother Ash
said this like two parts ago. I'm I'm
I'm I'm I'm plagiarizing a bit. Sorry.
No, what I'm about to say time is on the
order of one divided by frequency. It
could be frequency of spin or frequency
of of vibration against the mathematics
is similar. With one my well I wouldn't
say minor um um exception but remember
in um in spin you you deal with a radius
of spin and in vibration you deal with
the amplitude of vibration. That's the main
main
other than that the mathematics seems to
be very similar between spin and
vibration up to a point. Now the what is
important is again time is on the order
of one divided by frequency. Take the
chain rule. You do the chain rule on
this simple again you differentiate with
respect let's call it a quantum of time
for you know a ddt of some sort. that
ddt is really a a delta towo if you'd
like to think of it as a quantum of
time. I I just like this idea that
matter may be confined energy frozen
within a quantum of time
>> bound within fluctuating fields of
>> maybe all of reality is is a room
temperature superconducting state to
some extent.
>> Microscopic quantum coherence it's a
microscopic quantum phenomena but again
time is on the order of one divided by
frequency. You take the chain rule of
that based on a a DDT simple um this is
simple differential calculus we're
talking about first year of undergrad
>> you take uh the chain rule based on that
will give you a a constant most likely
it's going to be dimensionist so let's
call it to subs
times the delta of frequency divided by
frequency squared. You see how it's
dimensionally inconsistent. Again, time
being on the order of one divided by
frequency. Check the dimensions. Always
check the dimensions. The first thing
you do, that's the first thing they
teach us in engineering. If a formula
does not give correct units, no good.
Start all over again. Now,
so again, minus delta t. So out of the
chain rule comes this minus delta t. So
the whole idea is that is it part of the
mathematical formalism is it again the
great dra believed in the beauty of true
mathematics. He believed in mathematical
physics that the ability of mathematics
to influence physics but physics must
also influence the mathematics. Hence
the second step. So the first step you
get from the chain rule of the simple um
um time is on the order of one divided
by frequency. From the chain rule you
get minus delta t equals
equals
um a dimensionist constant say to subs
times delta frequency divided by
frequency squared
dimensionally consistent. Check it for
yourselves also your followers. Now what
I'm about to say about tal of s will
require your followers to do a little
mathematics and again use your ability
to think engineering here. How would you
make this happen? How would you break
the shoing limit
and affect this quote unquote miraculous
phenomena of reverse temporal excursion?
And again this minus delta t speaks to
the reverse template of the excursion.
This house of s is equal to 10 to the 25 times
times epsilon0
epsilon0
divided by sigma subs^ squar close
parenthesis open parenthesis
one ratio
r subs
divided by r sub omega. It's as simple
as that, gentlemen. Now, your followers
and your subscribers should look into
what is this ratio. I'll leave it up to
them. What is this ratio? Based on
everything we've talked about and we've
talked about about this uh time is on
the order of one divided by frequency
several occasions. But this is the
equation. This is the mathematical formalism
formalism
of reverse temporal excursion.
Study this equation. It's simple.
Extremely simple. Again,
>> what's the implication of the equation? [clears throat]
[clears throat]
>> Yeah. Say it one more time and then give
us the
>> either tell us what it means or give us
the implication because it's too many
numbers for me to do in my head.
>> Again, I will I will recap the equation
one more time and I will say it distinctly.
distinctly.
>> Minus deltat t
>> change in time
>> equals go ahead. Equals this ta of s
toao of s which is a dimensionous constant
constant
>> okay a constant
>> times delta omega / omega squar close
parenthesis change
>> the stars of s the star of s equals
10 to the 25 and I will tell you what
the 10 the 25 is we've discussed it
already 10 to the 25 times ah rather
rosy epsilon0 0 divided by sigma subs 2
close parenthesis open parenthesis the ratio
ratio
r subs divided by r sub omega close
parenthesis gentlemen this is the
mathematical formalism of reverse temple excursion
excursion
we have a time machine to the past
because the schwinger limit by breaking
the swinger limit the arrow of time is destroyed.
destroyed. >> Hence,
>> Hence,
Stephven Orings idea of the chronology
protection conjecture no longer applies.
>> Now 10 to the 25 represents jewels per
meter cube and hence it will give you an
idea. But one more thing I will say that
epsilon zero you know it well Ashton
>> they like
>> it's the electricality of free space
that sigma subs is the surface charge density
density
>> your followers and subscribers should
figure out of what it's essential do I
bet you Dr. Rossi over there knows all
right I bet you Dr. Forbes knows as
well, dude. We're all doctors. That's
it. I have the ability to do that. So
there you go. You're all you're both
PhDs. Oh [ __ ] Let me go back just one
more. Uh Sure.
>> I'm here I'm here as an engineer of the
United States Navy and I've worked for
the United States Space Force as um as
well. But these ideas, these these um
wild ideas are my own and do not
represent neither the opinions nor the
statements of the United States Navy nor
the United States Space Force.
>> So hopefully they refer to that
disclaimer. Okay, brother Ashen, you can
ask anything you want.
>> Well, now we've got everybody here. Now
it's time. Is this uh a thermonuclear
weapon that we are witnessing in this
video since since this is your you're a
free you're not you know you're here on
your own accord giving your own personal
opinions nobody here is giving any
official opinions based on any
militaries but I've got to say I think
this is a thermonuclear weapon although
I think I would can say it's a con
unconventional fourth generation
thermonuclear weapon the reason why I
say that is that plasma is technically
not uh a fishing detonator. It would be
a non-fish detonator, I believe. I've
learned a lot about thermonuclear
weapons, by the way. And we're looking
at this triangle formation, which is
consistent with pulse shaping, which is
like wave shaping. You need all your
waves to converge at the right pinnacle
moment, at the right pinnacle location
at the exact same time. And I can't stop
thinking about it because one of the
other things in thermonuclear weapons is
uh computers. Computers. One of the
first things I ever mentioned about
these was like AI and like how we might
these these orbs all this stuff might
must have like super advanced computers
going on as well. And turns out when we
first developed computers was also based
on nukes. Like I mean sure they probably
had the idea of computers before that
but that's what we were using them for
in the early stages. and John Kramer.
John Kramer admitted that one of the
things that they use quantum computers
for is nuclear calculations. So let's
start with uh let's start with S since
Sal just jumped in. S what do you think
man? Do you think that this is a
thermonuclear weapon? You think that's a
fourth generation?
And I hope we also speak about directed
electronic warfare devices which I
believe China employed one right before presi
presi
met with President uh Trump and it's
from one of the things President Trump
actually said on Air Force One to the
press that I deduced that when he said
bad fuel issues exposed directly to more
more electric engine technology which is
used on modern jets. One of them was a
jet fighter.
fixed wing. The other one was a hilo.
So, rotary. It's the perfect statement
basically saying we have a directed
electronic warfare device that can
disable and basically destroy your both
rotary and fixed wing aircraft. >> Hence,
>> Hence,
be careful with Taiwan. Dot dot dot.
This was a message. I truly believe
that. So, again, just like that was a
directed electronic warfare device. I
truly believe that. Remember, we're
talking about China here. We're talking
about the Misho satellite. We're talking
about quantum communications. We're
talking about the ability to have, as
you well know,
>> Dr. Ashton Forbes right there. You well
know that they have quantum radar. You
do you know that quantum radar is truly
the brainchild of a great a great great
mind Marco Lanzagorta of Naval Research Laboratory
Laboratory
circa the year 2000 he came um up with
this idea of quantum radar they thought
of it like sci-fi they give him minimal
money to play around with it meanwhile
the Chinese took all the pamphlets
translated it to Chinese and what in 20
years they have quantum radar so the
ability to render all stealth aircraft
>> Yeah. The quantum radar thing is
honestly mind-blowing to see that. Like
they it had been talked about five or
six years ago, I think, as China was
going to work on it. And the new news
recently was that now they're
mass-producing it for all their fighter jets.
jets.
>> That's unbelievable.
>> And I mean, quantum radar, when you even
look at it, says it uses EPR device.
Literally says it uses an EPR device.
Not only that, it's resistant to all
manner of electromagnetic jamming. So
while we would have to invent to take
care of the EPR paradox and gentlemen,
little light bulbs are lighting all
around. I hope our our best and
brightest are are are working on this as
I speak is a Q jammer, a quantum jammer,
something that affects
>> I've been wondering too
>> cuz Okay, so you kind of danced around
the question, but you did say that you
think that it might be like
>> it's a directed it's a directed weapon,
sir. Absolutely. I agree with you 100%.
This is But I believe they took it a
step further. It it I think that they
used the ideas beyond behind the fourth
generation thermonuclear device and
coupled it with autonomous AI units
room temperature superc conductivity
possibly the existence already of AGI. I
don't know what else to call these. I
mean maybe not AGI but something
extremely close something that has the
ability uh these let's call them AI
agents for now possibly SAB AGI but
they're definitely autonomous
remember the last sequence
when they compress
the space-time continum at a quantum
level energy density again speaking of
energy density that 10^ the 25 is jew
per meter cube which is necessary is the
energy density in order to bring break
the swinger limit 10 to the 25 JW per
meter cube. You understand what these
three freaking orbs are able to deposit
in that small area. What are these? Of
course, they would have to be based on
something thermonuclear in origin, but
it's far above that. There is it's like
a hybrid device. What? This could be
hybrid technology, gentlemen.
>> It makes you wonder because
like I think they figured this out in
the 60s. We signed the partial nuclear
testband treaty in 1963 right after the
Ripple project. Like it's like, oh, and
John Knuckles brags about, yeah, we
found how to make super high yield,
super high gain, clean fusion bombs, but
we never tested it. Never did it after
the Ripple project at least. and now
we're banning everybody else from doing
it. And then it makes you wonder, okay,
well that was 1963
and now what have we done for 60 years?
>> Go ahead.
>> If I could jump in quickly to add to
what brother Sal said. We have for
example we have a direct energy weapon
here and in the example here's the plane
for instance. It's possible the
technology they are using is set up such
that again in between that the the uh em
the the emitter and the plane if you
actually took electromagnetic measuring
equipment you would not get any electric
or magnetic current readings. However
what happens to the plane the result of
what occurs in the plane is
electromagnetic. So the transfer of the
energy is perhaps occurring at a
different level or layer of reality but
the actual effect is still
electromagnetic in the result of what
happens to the plane. It's so again this
is what makes this so uh interesting but
also dangerous because you can't detect
classically any of the electromagnetic
fields as the waves would be traveling. [clears throat]
[clears throat]
>> Yeah. And that's the big thing about
these quantum devices, right, that use
the airhop boom effect is there's no
classic electromagnetic signal to
detect. And the same reason why you
can't jam the radar either is that
there's nothing to get there.
>> And if I could ask one more thing, I
wanted to ask brother S. Um I'm sort of
leading the witness here, brother, but
do you think uh uh room temperature
superc conductivity is crucial to the uh
different types of uh energies and uh
you could say technologies you were discussing?
discussing?
Uh quite possibly but I believe it it
could be an effect thereof. There is
something greater that generates.
>> Gotcha. Got you.
>> And I believe that brother Ash and you
and I
have all talked about this non-stop.
Basically, you drive a non-equilibrium
plasma, a nonlinear medium far from
equilibrium while still while still
inducing an um an energy flux within it,
which means what? The engineering of the
pregoin effect.
>> Can I say s I want to say something and
I'm going to say just one sentence and
then I'm going to stop. Uh um privately
I've been looking at this the slooh rate
in high voltage transients.
>> Oh. Oh my god, Charles Proteius
Steinman. Speaking of which,
>> brother Ash, we got to talk about the
plasma disruption fusion weapon that's
really based on the plasma compression
fusion device
>> with a little added let's call it let's
call it a Zpinch with a fusion twist.
>> You get my favorite words and and sorry
very quickly S your work
>> like a drink. We should have that drink.
You know, [laughter]
>> s brother your your work s on high
voltage transients is uh is incredible.
By the way, thank you.
>> It's not mine, brother. I I I I'm trust
me. We're talking about Tesla combined
with Gabriel Cron combined with Charles
Brousia Steinmets, >> right?
>> right?
>> Those last two are amazing gentlemen.
Some of their works you cannot find.
>> I know.
>> I know. And there's a book by CR that is
like $5,000, but you can find it.
>> But if you wanted to buy it, you
couldn't find it. So anyway,
>> all these books like to if you want some
of these people's textbooks like you got
a lot of them aren't available on the internet.
internet.
>> Gabriel Cron's model for space for a
space-time metric was very interesting.
He viewed the space-time metric as one
big um uh circuit,
>> one big system. But that's why he did
his rotating electrical machinery.
Gentlemen, the Nobel Prize um 2025 the
one uh um on microscopic quantum tunneling
tunneling
>> they actually use they use um look at
the circuit that they actually use. They
use an inductor and a capacitor in series.
series.
>> Hence frequent vibration vibration on
the order of 1 / LC.
>> Oh okay.
I'm sorry, brother Sal. I thought I
thought we weren't gonna say Okay. So,
yeah. No, it's an LC circuit. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I mean, if you just look at what a cubit
is, I mean, a cubit is just Josephson's
junction. It's just a two Joseph and
Junctions forming a squid or a Joseph
Junction forming a squid and then
connected to a capacitor with a pulse
current through it. Like, wait, what?
That's all. When I figured that out, I'm
like, wait,
>> here's another simplicity and
minimalism. All the greats have based
their ideas on Akam's razor.
>> If it's too complex, [ __ ] it. It won't
work. [laughter]
>> Right. I agree. If I can mention,
Ashton, this is for you and your your
audience. I want to mention I know
brother Sal knows all about this, but if
you took um for example, we know about
Joseph's and junctions. You have a
superconductor, an insulator, then
another superconductor. Okay. There's
another uh phenomena you can invoke that
combines the squid phenomena with the
aerongh bomb effect. is simple. If you
take a superconductor and then a normal
piece of metal instead of an insulator
and then another superconductor beside
it, you actually get aeronof bomb phase
modulation effects just by pulsing the
the junctions with voltage. >> Really?
>> Really?
>> Yeah. Which has some very profound
implications. Uh yeah,
>> I don't want to go on too many side
tangents here, but I have been talking
with uh Randall Mills as well. I find
brilliant light power to be really
interesting. He's got this hydrino
theory that's very analogist to negative
energy and like lowering the hydrogen
state below the ground state. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um and he sent me a paper. He sent me
like a bunch of papers after I was
messaging him.
>> Well, we know that there's been
production of hydro anomalous hydrogen
in low energy nuclear reaction
experiments. They can't
>> he talked about low energy nuclear
reaction and the common theme I've seen
is vibration amongst all these things.
And I mean Sal just mentioned the
equations for time and and relationship
to frequency as well.
>> Not just not just vibration, brother
Ash. This is key. Accelerated vibration.
Again, you drive your system far from
equilibrium. This is key. You drive a
nonlinear system far from equilibrium
>> with with with if I could say quickly
with pulseed high voltage transients.
Um, and yeah, I'll I'll I'll maybe I'll
say something about that in a moment
because I know it's on the internet
already, but I I'm I'm just gonna think
about it for a second, but please carry on.
on.
>> Well, let me because I Let's go back.
Let's let's lower our our level down
now. So, we're not super in the math
physics for every because I know there's
just normal people that are watching
too. Let's go back talk about the orbs
for a second because
>> AI definitely in my opinion. I think the
only question is are we dealing with a
you know agi or is it more of like what
s was talking about autonomous
intelligence right but like you you look at how these orbs are flying around and
at how these orbs are flying around and it's got to it's got to have complex
it's got to it's got to have complex math going on for 3D vectoring through
math going on for 3D vectoring through the sky and even if without that the
the sky and even if without that the equations like the whole thing about
equations like the whole thing about reaching the shringer limit and the
reaching the shringer limit and the whole thing for why people don't think
whole thing for why people don't think nukes can manipulate at spacetime is
nukes can manipulate at spacetime is that we need this huge amplification of
that we need this huge amplification of energy. Massive amplification energy.
energy. Massive amplification energy. The math must be perfect, right? Like we
The math must be perfect, right? Like we need the orbs to be perfectly
need the orbs to be perfectly equilateral when they're converging on
equilateral when they're converging on each other. And it can't be off at all.
each other. And it can't be off at all. If it's off by even a little bit, then
If it's off by even a little bit, then the amplification doesn't work
the amplification doesn't work correctly, right? Like it needs to be
correctly, right? Like it needs to be and that's what all the physics and
and that's what all the physics and stuff around uh thermonuclear weapons is
stuff around uh thermonuclear weapons is all about. It's all about figuring that
all about. It's all about figuring that out and using these super powerful
out and using these super powerful computers. So to me it seems really
computers. So to me it seems really obvious that we must have really
obvious that we must have really advanced secret computers potentially to
advanced secret computers potentially to the idea even to the level of them being
the idea even to the level of them being almost sentient. I even wonder and I
almost sentient. I even wonder and I don't really think this is a high
don't really think this is a high probability but I think there's some
probability but I think there's some chance that we have like a defense
chance that we have like a defense system that's like AI already. Well, if
system that's like AI already. Well, if I could say quickly, you know, Ken
I could say quickly, you know, Ken Shoulders predicted in the early 2000s,
Shoulders predicted in the early 2000s, he wrote a paper that he predicted in
he wrote a paper that he predicted in the future he foresees the ability to
the future he foresees the ability to create an electrical circuit purely with
create an electrical circuit purely with uh a plasma Bose Einstein common and
uh a plasma Bose Einstein common and photons, nothing else and vibration. No,
photons, nothing else and vibration. No, no, no actual solid wires or anything.
no, no actual solid wires or anything. >> Yep. And that's what I think that the
>> Yep. And that's what I think that the orbs are doing. I think they're creating
orbs are doing. I think they're creating a quantum circuit. They're creating a
a quantum circuit. They're creating a circuit, but they're doing it, you know,
circuit, but they're doing it, you know, with the plane. And the plane's the null
with the plane. And the plane's the null point. And I guess my bigger concern
point. And I guess my bigger concern though is that I more and more I talk to
though is that I more and more I talk to you guys, more and more I research, I
you guys, more and more I research, I think I mean if that's a thermonuclear
think I mean if that's a thermonuclear weapon, like what's really even
weapon, like what's really even happening? Like what's even happening in
happening? Like what's even happening in a wormhole? Like are they are the people
a wormhole? Like are they are the people inside being annihilated? Are they being
inside being annihilated? Are they being heated up or does like the space-time
heated up or does like the space-time manipulation supersede the heating up of
manipulation supersede the heating up of the plane? Could that come out in one
the plane? Could that come out in one piece? Is it coming out in multiple
piece? Is it coming out in multiple pieces? What are you guys
pieces? What are you guys >> talking about?
>> talking about? >> We would have to perform the experiment
>> We would have to perform the experiment in order to find out. Remember that
in order to find out. Remember that experiment trumps theory every time.
experiment trumps theory every time. >> Well, you know what's scary about that
>> Well, you know what's scary about that is that I sit there and I go, are they
is that I sit there and I go, are they testing this out? Like, are they is this
testing this out? Like, are they is this an experiment? Like, of course, you
an experiment? Like, of course, you don't have to experiment on a civilian
don't have to experiment on a civilian airliner, but like imagine it's
airliner, but like imagine it's collateral damage anyway. Imagine you're
collateral damage anyway. Imagine you're going to run an OP on a plane anyway,
going to run an OP on a plane anyway, and you're going to hit it with a
and you're going to hit it with a missile, and you're like, you know what?
missile, and you're like, you know what? Let's just hit it with our super
Let's just hit it with our super spaceime manipulation weapon, just see
spaceime manipulation weapon, just see what happens. Like, do you think there's
what happens. Like, do you think there's a possibility that that could be in
a possibility that that could be in play?
play? >> Brother, I have a feeling. Sorry,
>> Brother, I have a feeling. Sorry, brother Rossi. Before it's a quick
brother Rossi. Before it's a quick interruption, but it's something based
interruption, but it's something based on brother Ash said, I have a feeling
on brother Ash said, I have a feeling these computers may be hybrid biological
these computers may be hybrid biological base, not just silica. We're not talking
base, not just silica. We're not talking about silica sanctions here. We're
about silica sanctions here. We're talking about possibly neuronbased
talking about possibly neuronbased sensions.
sensions. >> You think it might be that advanced
>> You think it might be that advanced where there's already biological
where there's already biological >> 100% 100%. This may not be silica based.
>> 100% 100%. This may not be silica based. It could be a hybrid thing. Yeah.
It could be a hybrid thing. Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, you know what's weird about
>> Yeah. Well, you know what's weird about that is that some of those derds or I
that is that some of those derds or I think it's one of the derds talks about
think it's one of the derds talks about maybe it's not the derds but somehow put
maybe it's not the derds but somehow put off saying how many like drones a human
off saying how many like drones a human mind can control at once.
mind can control at once. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> That one really bugs me because it's the
>> That one really bugs me because it's the one paper that sticks out from the
one paper that sticks out from the the brain machine interface one.
the brain machine interface one. >> Yeah, the brain machine interface. We
>> Yeah, the brain machine interface. We know that Don Phillips, he was he he's
know that Don Phillips, he was he he's passed away now, but he was Don Phillips
passed away now, but he was Don Phillips was former uh Air Force, CIA, Lockheed,
was former uh Air Force, CIA, Lockheed, Skunkworks, the whole thing. He openly
Skunkworks, the whole thing. He openly said in the in the early 2000s that I
said in the in the early 2000s that I believe the company is now defunct, but
believe the company is now defunct, but it was called Light City International
it was called Light City International LLC. He claimed at least that at the
LLC. He claimed at least that at the time they were already working on Craft
time they were already working on Craft in the 80s with that they could control
in the 80s with that they could control with their thoughts. That's what he
with their thoughts. That's what he claimed at least. Um
claimed at least. Um >> yeah, it's hard for me to believe it,
>> yeah, it's hard for me to believe it, but I you know, at the same time, why
but I you know, at the same time, why not? I mean, if I if I'm saying that an
not? I mean, if I if I'm saying that an AI is controlling the orbs and getting
AI is controlling the orbs and getting them to spin perfectly like that, then
them to spin perfectly like that, then what's the difference between that or
what's the difference between that or like a a hybrid human biological or just
like a a hybrid human biological or just even maybe human? You believe in remote
even maybe human? You believe in remote viewing? You believe in psychic powers?
viewing? You believe in psychic powers? I mean,
I mean, >> right. No, to to your point, he he
>> right. No, to to your point, he he claimed it. I wasn't there. I can't say
claimed it. I wasn't there. I can't say for sure, but he that's what he claimed
for sure, but he that's what he claimed at least.
at least. >> Yeah. So, Don So, I just want to recap a
>> Yeah. So, Don So, I just want to recap a couple things that we've been talking
couple things that we've been talking about. One is Don Phillips. Uh there's a
about. One is Don Phillips. Uh there's a video out there where he's talking about
video out there where he's talking about seeing three like orbs spinning around
seeing three like orbs spinning around and then coalesque. He says his words
and then coalesque. He says his words and then disappear
and then disappear >> late at right Patterson
>> late at right Patterson >> or right Pat. Sorry.
>> or right Pat. Sorry. >> Yeah. And then the other thing we were
>> Yeah. And then the other thing we were mentioning S was mentioning a recent
mentioning S was mentioning a recent incident. And I I posted about it on
incident. And I I posted about it on Twitter from a couple weeks ago where
Twitter from a couple weeks ago where two US I think a helicopter and a plane
two US I think a helicopter and a plane both crashed within like 30 minutes of
both crashed within like 30 minutes of one another in the South China Sea and
one another in the South China Sea and Trump the excuse that was given was bad
Trump the excuse that was given was bad fuel like [laughter]
fuel like [laughter] what what does that mean? How many how
what what does that mean? How many how many planes got the bad fuel? How did we
many planes got the bad fuel? How did we figure out that it was bad fuel so
figure out that it was bad fuel so quickly?
quickly? >> Well, if I could say quickly, it's kind
>> Well, if I could say quickly, it's kind of like when the
of like when the >> It was a show of strength, brother. It
>> It was a show of strength, brother. It was a show of strength right before a
was a show of strength right before a trade deal. It was a coupra
trade deal. It was a coupra by one of the greatest diplomats of all
by one of the greatest diplomats of all time.
time. >> And if she of China
>> And if she of China >> Yes. Yes. And if I can mention as well,
>> Yes. Yes. And if I can mention as well, I'm not saying that I know this for a
I'm not saying that I know this for a fact, but I speculate that when you
fact, but I speculate that when you look, for example, I think it was
look, for example, I think it was earlier this year or last year when the
earlier this year or last year when the former uh supreme leader of Iran when
former uh supreme leader of Iran when his helicopter mysteriously crashed.
his helicopter mysteriously crashed. >> Oh yeah. The timing of that seemed to me
>> Oh yeah. The timing of that seemed to me like someone was sending them a message,
like someone was sending them a message, but again, I don't have the facts. So,
but again, I don't have the facts. So, just my speculation.
just my speculation. >> Yeah. The hard part with this is like,
>> Yeah. The hard part with this is like, and I'm I'm curious your guys' opinion,
and I'm I'm curious your guys' opinion, especially on this is like why I'm
especially on this is like why I'm careful about sharing some of this stuff
careful about sharing some of this stuff is like you when you know what's
is like you when you know what's possible, it's pretty easy to be like,
possible, it's pretty easy to be like, hm, that helicopter going down when
hm, that helicopter going down when there was two other helicopters and
there was two other helicopters and there was like no bad weather just
there was like no bad weather just randomly going down, that's pretty
randomly going down, that's pretty crazy. Or I mean this incident too, I
crazy. Or I mean this incident too, I gotta agree with S like
gotta agree with S like >> a bad excuse
>> a bad excuse >> and and for just planes like military
>> and and for just planes like military planes just go down like
planes just go down like >> no but but bad fuel speaks to more
>> no but but bad fuel speaks to more electric issues,
electric issues, >> right?
>> right? >> Which is what they use in their engines,
>> Which is what they use in their engines, >> right? Right. I mean it's hard and I
>> right? Right. I mean it's hard and I think this is where um
think this is where um >> and affect an an electric engine a
>> and affect an an electric engine a direct
direct device
device >> and this is where this is where we have
>> and this is where this is where we have to be careful right because
to be careful right because >> I put it in a satellite in a polar orbit
>> I put it in a satellite in a polar orbit and I have a constellation of these six
and I have a constellation of these six of them to be more exact but anyway all
of them to be more exact but anyway all right
right >> and this is where we have to be careful
>> and this is where we have to be careful though because I mean we talk about
though because I mean we talk about physics and science that is in my
physics and science that is in my opinion highly credible and
opinion highly credible and >> maybe sorry maybe the satellites are in
>> maybe sorry maybe the satellites are in a rosette geome ometry. Who knows?
a rosette geome ometry. Who knows? >> Oh. Oh my god. Yeah.
>> Oh. Oh my god. Yeah. >> This is where Tom Bearden got in
>> This is where Tom Bearden got in trouble, right? Because he starts
trouble, right? Because he starts talking about making earthquakes.
talking about making earthquakes. >> [laughter]
>> [laughter] >> Well, we know there was a newspaper
>> Well, we know there was a newspaper article uh back in the 1930s that I can
article uh back in the 1930s that I can pull up after the show if you want to
pull up after the show if you want to show to your audience, Ash, if you want
show to your audience, Ash, if you want in which there was speculation in New
in which there was speculation in New York City that Tesla would Nicola Tesla
York City that Tesla would Nicola Tesla at the time was making the ground shake
at the time was making the ground shake in all over the all
in all over the all >> with a mechanical oscillator, brother,
>> with a mechanical oscillator, brother, right?
right? >> Which shows you which shows you we do
>> Which shows you which shows you we do not truly understand our physics. He did
not truly understand our physics. He did it with a simple pressured driven
it with a simple pressured driven mechanical oscillator.
mechanical oscillator. >> You know the article I'm talking about.
>> You know the article I'm talking about. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> And and he had to break the damn thing.
>> And and he had to break the damn thing. He had to take a hammer to it because
He had to take a hammer to it because the building was about to go down
>> Resop politics then. Let's get controversial here. So, what are your
controversial here. So, what are your guys takes on the Iran situation? And
guys takes on the Iran situation? And the reason I bring this up is we've been
the reason I bring this up is we've been talking about nukes and we recently uh
talking about nukes and we recently uh dro our B2 I think it was our B2s uh
dro our B2 I think it was our B2s uh flew over there to Iran. They shot some
flew over there to Iran. They shot some bunker bombs that can shoot through the
bunker bombs that can shoot through the ground and and get to the bunkers
ground and and get to the bunkers underneath and destroyed their
underneath and destroyed their facilities. And at the same time, the
facilities. And at the same time, the MSAD executed nine or assassinated nine
MSAD executed nine or assassinated nine nuclear Iranian nuclear scientists while
nuclear Iranian nuclear scientists while they were sleeping simultaneously using
they were sleeping simultaneously using supposedly some type of experimental
supposedly some type of experimental weapon. I mean, that's just reported. We
weapon. I mean, that's just reported. We don't know. And I'll tell you guys my
don't know. And I'll tell you guys my view first because I've been getting a
view first because I've been getting a lot of very controversial over this is
lot of very controversial over this is that if we're right, everything we're
that if we're right, everything we're talking about, if we're right about like
talking about, if we're right about like anything we're discussing here, then
anything we're discussing here, then nobody else can have this. I mean,
nobody else can have this. I mean, especially if we're talking about
especially if we're talking about manipulating time. Especially if we're
manipulating time. Especially if we're talking about manipulating time. I think
talking about manipulating time. I think those engineers, those nuclear
those engineers, those nuclear engineers, they were probably talking
engineers, they were probably talking about more stuff like what we're talking
about more stuff like what we're talking about in their free time. Not really
about in their free time. Not really about how to make an a bomb, which is
about how to make an a bomb, which is like, you know, something from 1940s. So
like, you know, something from 1940s. So I think it becomes a very difficult
I think it becomes a very difficult question to ask is where's the line in
question to ask is where's the line in national security and committing violent
national security and committing violent acts admittedly to protect potentially
acts admittedly to protect potentially time manipulation technology, free
time manipulation technology, free energy technology at a bare minimum.
energy technology at a bare minimum. >> Well, if I
>> Well, if I >> hydrogen bombs, right? Go ahead.
>> hydrogen bombs, right? Go ahead. >> Sure. If I could say very quickly, just
>> Sure. If I could say very quickly, just forgive me S. I always want you to speak
forgive me S. I always want you to speak first. I apologize.
first. I apologize. >> No, no, go ahead, sir. No, please.
>> No, no, go ahead, sir. No, please. >> Sorry. Just before it leaves my mind, I
>> Sorry. Just before it leaves my mind, I know that back in the I think it was the
know that back in the I think it was the 1960s or '7s or maybe before there was
1960s or '7s or maybe before there was the on something called the Antebi
the on something called the Antebi situation where it was the first time
situation where it was the first time Israel took their soldiers to go rescue
Israel took their soldiers to go rescue some other Israelis and I think
some other Israelis and I think Netanyahu's brother was on there on that
Netanyahu's brother was on there on that that mission or something like that.
that mission or something like that. Long story short, um there was a news
Long story short, um there was a news there's a newspaper article that I have
there's a newspaper article that I have that I can send to you as well, Ashton,
that I can send to you as well, Ashton, in which there was an inventor out of
in which there was an inventor out of Toronto, Canada, who was using
Toronto, Canada, who was using mechanical oscillation to essentially
mechanical oscillation to essentially what he didn't mean to do this, but he
what he didn't mean to do this, but he was uh experimenting with uh LC circuits
was uh experimenting with uh LC circuits and mechanical oscillations in his
and mechanical oscillations in his basement. And the article says that he
basement. And the article says that he was visited by some other scientists and
was visited by some other scientists and the time on their watches was speeding
the time on their watches was speeding up unexplainably. And so long story
up unexplainably. And so long story short, it was stated in that paper that
short, it was stated in that paper that the Israeli government had heard about
the Israeli government had heard about this gentleman. They bought the device
this gentleman. They bought the device off of him and then allegedly they one
off of him and then allegedly they one of the Israeli officials had hinted that
of the Israeli officials had hinted that that rescue mission used that that
that rescue mission used that that device to some extent. And this is all
device to some extent. And this is all on on paper from the uh Toronto Toronto
on on paper from the uh Toronto Toronto Star newspaper that I can send you a
Star newspaper that I can send you a copy of. And this was back in the 60s or
copy of. And this was back in the 60s or 70s. So it makes you wonder if they had
70s. So it makes you wonder if they had rudimentary understandings back then,
rudimentary understandings back then, what have they built it up to now? In
what have they built it up to now? In terms of your question about grand
terms of your question about grand geopolitics, I'm still observing from
geopolitics, I'm still observing from the perspective of a chess board and I
the perspective of a chess board and I don't even claim to know all the pieces
don't even claim to know all the pieces on the board. So that's it's hard it's
on the board. So that's it's hard it's hard for me to say this or that. It's
hard for me to say this or that. It's it's difficult. I see someone gets
it's difficult. I see someone gets taken, you know, a leader gets taken
taken, you know, a leader gets taken out. I look, okay, what's the
out. I look, okay, what's the consequences? What's what caused that?
consequences? What's what caused that? What's next? What's you know it's not
What's next? What's you know it's not good that people die but you know it's I
good that people die but you know it's I can't control it so that's the best way
can't control it so that's the best way I view it. H what about you s
I view it. H what about you s >> I'm under the opices of the Hatch Act
>> I'm under the opices of the Hatch Act which makes it easy you know because I
which makes it easy you know because I can always use that excuse but put it
can always use that excuse but put it this way gentlemen when it comes to
this way gentlemen when it comes to these kind of ideas in my opinion keep
these kind of ideas in my opinion keep them to paper and pen
them to paper and pen don't attempt certain experiments
don't attempt certain experiments because I'll tell you right off the bat
because I'll tell you right off the bat if you can affect such
if you can affect such physics to happen what is to say that
physics to happen what is to say that detectors of such effects do not exist
detectors of such effects do not exist already.
already. >> Well, if I can mention very quickly, I'm
>> Well, if I can mention very quickly, I'm going to say something here that is very
going to say something here that is very possibly controversial, but to it's the
possibly controversial, but to it's the best I think it's the best place to say
best I think it's the best place to say it, and I encourage uh your audience,
it, and I encourage uh your audience, Ashton, to research this. So, I'm
Ashton, to research this. So, I'm speaking to Ashton's audience directly
speaking to Ashton's audience directly here. I'm I'm going to say a few names,
here. I'm I'm going to say a few names, and they're controversial names, but
and they're controversial names, but just stick with me here. There was a
just stick with me here. There was a gentleman many years ago who came out as
gentleman many years ago who came out as an alleged uh uh uh Area 51 worker uh
an alleged uh uh uh Area 51 worker uh who was a bio alleged microbiologist by
who was a bio alleged microbiologist by the name of Dr. Dan Burrish. Now you can
the name of Dr. Dan Burrish. Now you can say what you want about he who he worked
say what you want about he who he worked with these gray aliens. You could say
with these gray aliens. You could say true or false. Sure. However, he gave a
true or false. Sure. However, he gave a presentation in 2007 or 8 at Caltech in
presentation in 2007 or 8 at Caltech in which he was looking at um longitudinal
which he was looking at um longitudinal biopotonics and different types of uh uh
biopotonics and different types of uh uh out you know breakthrough
out you know breakthrough microbiological processes. Long story
microbiological processes. Long story short, um he had discussed how
short, um he had discussed how essentially he was studying a certain
essentially he was studying a certain type of material that was close to uh
type of material that was close to uh Area 51 where UFOs were seen hovering
Area 51 where UFOs were seen hovering above the sand. And because the where he
above the sand. And because the where he went to go pick up the rocks from uh it
went to go pick up the rocks from uh it was not government property. So he was
was not government property. So he was allowed to pick up the rocks. There was
allowed to pick up the rocks. There was nothing secret there. He starts
nothing secret there. He starts examining the rocks that the UFOs were
examining the rocks that the UFOs were seen to levitate on top of. And these
seen to levitate on top of. And these rocks are just, you know, rocks from the
rocks are just, you know, rocks from the from from Las Vegas. He starts examining
from from Las Vegas. He starts examining them and in his Caltech presentation he
them and in his Caltech presentation he shows the rocks are made of rosette
shows the rocks are made of rosette structures at their core. Rossette
structures at their core. Rossette geometries. this sort of, you know,
geometries. this sort of, you know, quote unquote uh flower of life stuff
quote unquote uh flower of life stuff that the the new age people talk about.
that the the new age people talk about. Now, you might think this is crazy and
Now, you might think this is crazy and sure, but bear with me here. If you go
sure, but bear with me here. If you go look at how Dr. Howudolf's vector and
look at how Dr. Howudolf's vector and scalar potential communication patent,
scalar potential communication patent, he mentions that in order for the
he mentions that in order for the emitters and the receivers
emitters and the receivers >> to to work, the Joseph's injunctions
>> to to work, the Joseph's injunctions must be put in a rosette structure.
must be put in a rosette structure. That's all I'm saying. You can think
That's all I'm saying. You can think what you want about what Dan Burrish
what you want about what Dan Burrish claimed about working with aliens or
claimed about working with aliens or whatever, but if you look at his Caltech
whatever, but if you look at his Caltech presentation, he emphasizes the
presentation, he emphasizes the recurrence of rosette structures in
recurrence of rosette structures in these strange rocks that UFOs used to
these strange rocks that UFOs used to levitate over. And then you connect that
levitate over. And then you connect that 15 years later with Dr. Pudof claiming
15 years later with Dr. Pudof claiming that your junctions must be in a rosette
that your junctions must be in a rosette structure. I don't know. Maybe there's
structure. I don't know. Maybe there's something there, maybe there isn't.
something there, maybe there isn't. That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying. >> Facetime structure, gentlemen. What
>> Facetime structure, gentlemen. What speaks to it? The super force. If you
speaks to it? The super force. If you can get the super force to act a
can get the super force to act a dimensions higher than say the plank
dimensions higher than say the plank scale, can you imagine what you could
scale, can you imagine what you could do?
do? >> I'm 100% that this is the force of
>> I'm 100% that this is the force of unification. And I'm 100% sure that NHI
unification. And I'm 100% sure that NHI uses the super force. They do not use
uses the super force. They do not use our modalities of transport. They use
our modalities of transport. They use the super force at But anyway, let's get
the super force at But anyway, let's get back to the politics. And one thing I
back to the politics. And one thing I must say,
must say, >> we're going to
>> we're going to >> when it comes to our enemies, if we can
>> when it comes to our enemies, if we can prevent
the mass murder of our own people, I say anything goes, brother.
anything goes, brother. Anything.
Anything. >> That's a scary scary rationalization,
>> That's a scary scary rationalization, though, because when you use that
though, because when you use that rationalization, you can basically
rationalization, you can basically justify anything. You can justify
justify anything. You can justify zapping a Boeing trip 7 out of the sky
zapping a Boeing trip 7 out of the sky or even much worse than that. But that
or even much worse than that. But that may just be the human that may just be
may just be the human that may just be the human condition. I mean that just
the human condition. I mean that just may be the world that we live in. You
may be the world that we live in. You know, whoever has the biggest stick is
know, whoever has the biggest stick is the one who gets to control the planet.
the one who gets to control the planet. I guess to your point, I want to really
I guess to your point, I want to really briefly mention, you just mentioned the
briefly mention, you just mentioned the geometry being a significant factor in
geometry being a significant factor in maybe this vortex motion that was also
maybe this vortex motion that was also seen in Paul Tibido's um graphine.
seen in Paul Tibido's um graphine. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Capacitor chip.
>> Capacitor chip. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> He made it was the same thing. He even
>> He made it was the same thing. He even specifically called out. He said if you
specifically called out. He said if you don't make these paths opposite
don't make these paths opposite directions in this, you know, circle.
directions in this, you know, circle. >> Oh, when he was saying when the dodes
>> Oh, when he was saying when the dodes were opposing. Yeah.
were opposing. Yeah. >> Yeah. They have to be opposing. If
>> Yeah. They have to be opposing. If they're if they're in the same
they're if they're in the same direction, it just doesn't work at all.
direction, it just doesn't work at all. Which I just think such a fundamental
Which I just think such a fundamental >> what's up with this direction thing cuz
>> what's up with this direction thing cuz that speaks to the highuchi experiment.
that speaks to the highuchi experiment. remember December 89 PRL
remember December 89 PRL >> there's this experiment that basically
>> there's this experiment that basically they they they spun a gyroscope and
they they they spun a gyroscope and brother Rossi will contain uh let me
brother Rossi will contain uh let me just introduce the idea Hayasakauchi
just introduce the idea Hayasakauchi experiment circa I think it was
experiment circa I think it was published in physical review letters
published in physical review letters December 89
December 89 >> they were able to get weight reduction
>> they were able to get weight reduction in a spinning gyroscope they only took
in a spinning gyroscope they only took it to about 13,000 000 RPM if I
it to about 13,000 000 RPM if I remember. So we're not talking about
remember. So we're not talking about 100,000 RPM, we're talking about 13,000
100,000 RPM, we're talking about 13,000 RPM. But um as brother Rossi will talk
RPM. But um as brother Rossi will talk further, there were certain experiments
further, there were certain experiments that followed from prestigious
that followed from prestigious universities, gentlemen. Some of them
universities, gentlemen. Some of them they published in PRL, some of them in
they published in PRL, some of them in nature, I think but basically null and
nature, I think but basically null and void. No, no such thing. Forget about
void. No, no such thing. Forget about it. But it's interesting because this
it. But it's interesting because this weight reduction only happen in one
weight reduction only happen in one particular direction. Rather rasi to
particular direction. Rather rasi to you.
you. >> Okay. So two things I'd like to mention
>> Okay. So two things I'd like to mention very quickly. I'd like to just very
very quickly. I'd like to just very quickly uh finish on the Paul tippido
quickly uh finish on the Paul tippido the opposing directions of the diodes.
the opposing directions of the diodes. Again, that may very well speak to the
Again, that may very well speak to the concept of zero point energy where you
concept of zero point energy where you have the two fields collapsing to zero
have the two fields collapsing to zero and some type of phenomena within the
and some type of phenomena within the crystalline lattice of the graphine is
crystalline lattice of the graphine is interacting with the local environment
interacting with the local environment perhaps or the quantum vacuum or the
perhaps or the quantum vacuum or the ether. Now, the t Hayasaka Takayuchi
ether. Now, the t Hayasaka Takayuchi experiment, I'm I'm very glad s you
experiment, I'm I'm very glad s you brought that up. I didn't want to bring
brought that up. I didn't want to bring it up at first because I didn't
it up at first because I didn't >> HT
>> HT is that cool. There was this goes back
is that cool. There was this goes back to our our quick chat uh Ashton about
to our our quick chat uh Ashton about the gyroscopes. And so basically there
the gyroscopes. And so basically there was two researchers studied that in a in
was two researchers studied that in a in a vacuum chamber ultra high vacuum
a vacuum chamber ultra high vacuum chamber they rotated a gyroscope on the
chamber they rotated a gyroscope on the I believe it was in the uh clockwise
I believe it was in the uh clockwise direction I believe and they found that
direction I believe and they found that under certain conditions and I want to
under certain conditions and I want to mention they weren't just spinning a
mention they weren't just spinning a gyroscope they were doing a couple other
gyroscope they were doing a couple other things to the gyroscope. They were a
things to the gyroscope. They were a couple other things that people
couple other things that people electrically driven and speaking to that
electrically driven and speaking to that I must um
I must um >> once you're done
>> once you're done >> let me come in sure
>> let me come in sure >> there's something that I found in that
>> there's something that I found in that in an AIA paper that I sent to brother
in an AIA paper that I sent to brother Ash and you and I think brother Ash
Ash and you and I think brother Ash already has published it along with the
already has published it along with the room temperature superc conductivity
room temperature superc conductivity this one is just about the the hybrid
this one is just about the the hybrid aerospace undersea craft I discussed the
aerospace undersea craft I discussed the physics the possible physics behind this
physics the possible physics behind this okay it's all you sir I'll shut up
okay it's all you sir I'll shut up >> and So they they spun Hayasak and
>> and So they they spun Hayasak and Takayushi they spun this gyroscope
Takayushi they spun this gyroscope clockwise in an ultra high vacuum
clockwise in an ultra high vacuum chamber. They oscillated it. They
chamber. They oscillated it. They applied certain electrical parameters to
applied certain electrical parameters to it and they found a weight reduction
it and they found a weight reduction that they could not explain explain and
that they could not explain explain and they ruled out artifacts because they
they ruled out artifacts because they turned the whole thing upside down to
turned the whole thing upside down to make sure that it wasn't magnetic
make sure that it wasn't magnetic forces, Lorent forces, all of that was
forces, Lorent forces, all of that was ruled out. Now mo about five or six
ruled out. Now mo about five or six other universities around the world one
other universities around the world one of them was even a Chinese uh Japanese
of them was even a Chinese uh Japanese or Chinese they tried to replicate it
or Chinese they tried to replicate it but they did not they all claimed null
but they did not they all claimed null results meaning they found no results
results meaning they found no results but here's what's interesting none of
but here's what's interesting none of them followed the experiment to a tea
them followed the experiment to a tea some of them replicated the experiment
some of them replicated the experiment in uh too low of a vacuum chamber others
in uh too low of a vacuum chamber others did not use electrodes others did not
did not use electrodes others did not oscillate it there was very different
oscillate it there was very different things and then they all just said oh
things and then they all just said oh well it doesn't work that's not how it's
well it doesn't work that's not how it's supposed to work. You're supposed to
supposed to work. You're supposed to follow the experiment to a tea and then
follow the experiment to a tea and then try other things to maybe see if you can
try other things to maybe see if you can get other effects. And what were they
get other effects. And what were they noticing from all of this? The gyroscope
noticing from all of this? The gyroscope would lose its own weight,
would lose its own weight, >> the mass reduction.
>> the mass reduction. >> Yeah, I'm just reading about it right
>> Yeah, I'm just reading about it right now. I just had AI pull it up, but yeah,
now. I just had AI pull it up, but yeah, they had uh there was weight reduction
they had uh there was weight reduction that was being
that was being >> and there was a certain there was a
>> and there was a certain there was a certain woman um out of Huntsville uh uh
certain woman um out of Huntsville uh uh whose out of respect I will not name
whose out of respect I will not name that I know you followed intensively who
that I know you followed intensively who always cited that paper in her in her
always cited that paper in her in her private notes as her um foundational uh
private notes as her um foundational uh Yes. Yes.
Yes. Yes. >> I know about that.
>> I know about that. >> Let me come in quickly. AIAA paper AIAA
>> Let me come in quickly. AIAA paper AIAA 2017-5343.
You already put it. It It's It's just called the hybrid aerospace undersea
called the hybrid aerospace undersea craft. It's based, you know, on the pa
craft. It's based, you know, on the pa this craft using an inertial mass
this craft using an inertial mass reduction device. But it describes it
reduction device. But it describes it describes the Hayaka Takiuchi experiment
describes the Hayaka Takiuchi experiment and gives a possible explanation for
and gives a possible explanation for what happened because s no okay
what happened because s no okay everybody looked at the mathematical
everybody looked at the mathematical formalism and nobody questioned
formalism and nobody questioned >> right
>> right >> the dimensionless constant that was
>> the dimensionless constant that was there
there >> y
>> y >> that constant I show in the paper is the
>> that constant I show in the paper is the fauler fo not fauler it's f o k it was
fauler fo not fauler it's f o k it was sounds like it fo k e are a dash plank.
sounds like it fo k e are a dash plank. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Thermal equilibration rate
>> Thermal equilibration rate >> for what? A cold plasma, gentlemen. A
>> for what? A cold plasma, gentlemen. A non-therrmal plasma.
non-therrmal plasma. >> Now, imagine, for example, Ashton, that
>> Now, imagine, for example, Ashton, that you take that spinning gyroscope in that
you take that spinning gyroscope in that setup and you find a way to connect a
setup and you find a way to connect a room temperature superconductor to it.
room temperature superconductor to it. So, all the electrical current is now
So, all the electrical current is now cold
cold >> and maybe certain phenomena will begin
>> and maybe certain phenomena will begin to occur at higher energy levels.
to occur at higher energy levels. >> Wow. Well, so I mean I've already been
>> Wow. Well, so I mean I've already been convinced for a while, but that probably
convinced for a while, but that probably helps other people. It sounds like I
helps other people. It sounds like I know what I'm going to be reviewing
know what I'm going to be reviewing tomorrow on my live stream. So probably
tomorrow on my live stream. So probably going to be that scientific paper.
going to be that scientific paper. Actually, I didn't realize that Amy had
Actually, I didn't realize that Amy had been referencing it and that it was
been referencing it and that it was referenced in the um
referenced in the um >> her father did her father did as well.
>> her father did her father did as well. Her father referenced it often as well.
Her father referenced it often as well. >> By the way, her father just happened to
>> By the way, her father just happened to be colleagues with John Slow, the
be colleagues with John Slow, the founder of Helen Fusion. Like what the
founder of Helen Fusion. Like what the hell? How is that a thing? Like I just
hell? How is that a thing? Like I just ran I How did I even find that? Oh, cuz
ran I How did I even find that? Oh, cuz I was looking up John Slow. So I'm like,
I was looking up John Slow. So I'm like, okay, who are the founders of this
okay, who are the founders of this helium fusion that's doing a neutronic
helium fusion that's doing a neutronic plasmoid fusion stuff and I start I look
plasmoid fusion stuff and I start I look at his papers. I'm like, okay, what
at his papers. I'm like, okay, what papers has he written? It's like top
papers has he written? It's like top contributors Richard Escridge. Like
contributors Richard Escridge. Like what? Yeah. Yeah. Turns out they were
what? Yeah. Yeah. Turns out they were both working on plasma fusion propulsion
both working on plasma fusion propulsion in the 90s and 2000s with NASA. Like
in the 90s and 2000s with NASA. Like >> also there's something that a lot of
>> also there's something that a lot of people don't know about too which is
people don't know about too which is there's something an old experiment done
there's something an old experiment done by Einstein called the Einstein deass
by Einstein called the Einstein deass effect which was they found mac what
effect which was they found mac what they claimed were macroscopic quantum
they claimed were macroscopic quantum phenomena when they took an iron core
phenomena when they took an iron core and they coiled it a certain way and
and they coiled it a certain way and they noticed when they charged the coils
they noticed when they charged the coils the core would begin to spin as well.
the core would begin to spin as well. And so I'm just looking quickly for a a
And so I'm just looking quickly for a a reference here because there's a
reference here because there's a sentence from that paper I want to
sentence from that paper I want to mention. Um so just give me a minute or
mention. Um so just give me a minute or two if if
two if if >> Yeah, sure. And there's um two other
>> Yeah, sure. And there's um two other things and I want to talk about some
things and I want to talk about some other kind of things that are happening
other kind of things that are happening in the world. But um last political
in the world. But um last political thing would be do you think that
thing would be do you think that um that Israel helped us build this
um that Israel helped us build this technology?
technology? >> I can tell you we shared it with
>> I can tell you we shared it with America, but I can't share it with you.
America, but I can't share it with you. [laughter]
[laughter] the most advanced offensive weapons on
the most advanced offensive weapons on the planet. Things that none of the
the planet. Things that none of the superpowers have developed by Israel,
superpowers have developed by Israel, shared with America.
shared with America. >> So, uh, how do I make that go away? Um,
>> So, uh, how do I make that go away? Um, oh, I think I one sec. Where? Oh, here
oh, I think I one sec. Where? Oh, here it is. Um, so that
it is. Um, so that >> there were three of them, Ashton. There
>> there were three of them, Ashton. There were three of them. I will start with
were three of them. I will start with this. It's a little story, but trust me,
this. It's a little story, but trust me, the names will amaze you.
the names will amaze you. >> There were three of them. D in my
>> There were three of them. D in my opinion direct line of secession going
opinion direct line of secession going all the way to the Jacents.
all the way to the Jacents. >> Yeah, that was my next thing.
>> Yeah, that was my next thing. >> Van Vanaba Bush,
>> Van Vanaba Bush, John Trump.
John Trump. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> Edward Teller, the lynchpin
>> Edward Teller, the lynchpin of everything and all.
of everything and all. >> And Edward Teller was also the one in 19
>> And Edward Teller was also the one in 19 >> and he was
>> and he was linked to what particular nation I'm
linked to what particular nation I'm ask. Anyway,
ask. Anyway, >> well, I can if I can.
>> well, I can if I can. >> We some of the greatest scientists of
>> We some of the greatest scientists of this earth are Jewish.
this earth are Jewish. Now, there are a lot of [ __ ] anti-sem
Now, there are a lot of [ __ ] anti-sem Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say I'm sorry. You
Oh, I'm sorry. Did I say I'm sorry. You know, [laughter]
know, [laughter] there are a lot of people out there
there are a lot of people out there that have a problem with that.
that have a problem with that. >> They call it Jewish science, blah blah
>> They call it Jewish science, blah blah blah.
blah. Top man, Einstein,
Top man, Einstein, >> Powley,
>> Powley, Da
Da Fineman. Must I go on? Gross.
Fineman. Must I go on? Gross. >> Keep on naming the man.
>> Keep on naming the man. >> Well, just like in the in the Oen in the
>> Well, just like in the in the Oen in the Oppenheimer movie. In the Oppenheimer.
Oppenheimer movie. In the Oppenheimer. >> Absolutely. [clears throat] Oppenheimer
>> Absolutely. [clears throat] Oppenheimer movie. Oppenheimer said that uh one of
movie. Oppenheimer said that uh one of the reasons he felt they could get ahead
the reasons he felt they could get ahead was because when Einstein went to Hitler
was because when Einstein went to Hitler with the ideas of quantum experiments,
with the ideas of quantum experiments, Hitler dismissed it.
Hitler dismissed it. That's crazy. That's called the Jewish
That's crazy. That's called the Jewish science.
science. >> He called it Jewishience. He called it
>> He called it Jewishience. He called it Jewish physics. Yeah. He said, "I don't
Jewish physics. Yeah. He said, "I don't want to be involved in this uh this
want to be involved in this uh this [ __ ] Nazi called Jordan something
[ __ ] Nazi called Jordan something supposedly he won the Nobel Prize or
supposedly he won the Nobel Prize or something." But anyway, yeah, that's
something." But anyway, yeah, that's it's a old um Anyway. Yeah.
it's a old um Anyway. Yeah. >> So, you guys think for sure then that I
>> So, you guys think for sure then that I mean does that is that part of the
mean does that is that part of the reason why we have this relationship
reason why we have this relationship with Israel is because they help develop
with Israel is because they help develop super weapons for us that can manipulate
super weapons for us that can manipulate spaceime? I think it's
spaceime? I think it's >> some of the greatest brains in physics
>> some of the greatest brains in physics happen to be Jewish.
happen to be Jewish. >> I think
>> I think >> I don't know if you want to make the
>> I don't know if you want to make the correlation. Sure.
correlation. Sure. >> I think it's a multitude of reasons.
>> I think it's a multitude of reasons. They're so intertwinely connected,
They're so intertwinely connected, cultural, uh so on and so forth. But I
cultural, uh so on and so forth. But I think yeah, there's a there's a deep
think yeah, there's a there's a deep connection there for sure. I did find
connection there for sure. I did find what I wanted to say very quickly if I
what I wanted to say very quickly if I can. This is from uh let me read here.
can. This is from uh let me read here. So I'll send you this paper Ashton if
So I'll send you this paper Ashton if you would like. Uh this is as a matter
you would like. Uh this is as a matter of fact on the NASA website from uh
of fact on the NASA website from uh Richard Escridge. And I'm just going to
Richard Escridge. And I'm just going to read one sentence here. He referred to
read one sentence here. He referred to he referenced the Einstein de
he referenced the Einstein de experiment. But he said um
experiment. But he said um uh one second. If the mass of the
uh one second. If the mass of the nucleus nucleionic diameter and spin of
nucleus nucleionic diameter and spin of the nucleus is known, then an effective
the nucleus is known, then an effective moment of inertia can be calculated for
moment of inertia can be calculated for the nucleus if we are if we are willing
the nucleus if we are if we are willing to suspend our disbelief regarding the
to suspend our disbelief regarding the actuality of atomic spin. What does that
actuality of atomic spin. What does that mean? This suspension of disbelief is
mean? This suspension of disbelief is required because the calculated surface
required because the calculated surface velocity of the nucleus can easily
velocity of the nucleus can easily exceed the speed of light due to the
exceed the speed of light due to the high spin rate.
high spin rate. >> Oh [ __ ]
>> Oh [ __ ] >> So yeah, the problem is nothing should
>> So yeah, the problem is nothing should be able to go faster than the speed of
be able to go faster than the speed of light, but the spin rate would allow it
light, but the spin rate would allow it to be able to go faster.
to be able to go faster. >> And then he he references the Einstein
>> And then he he references the Einstein deos paper. I'll put both the paper.
deos paper. I'll put both the paper. >> How about actual spin on a small
>> How about actual spin on a small and or vibration? Oh [ __ ]
and or vibration? Oh [ __ ] >> That's what they were getting. But
>> That's what they were getting. But that's why I believe
that's why I believe >> Excuse my language. Yeah.
>> Excuse my language. Yeah. >> No, no problem. I don't mean to be a
>> No, no problem. I don't mean to be a conspiracy theorist, but this is why I
conspiracy theorist, but this is why I believe the Einstein DHZ experiment was
believe the Einstein DHZ experiment was not really emphasized in academia after
not really emphasized in academia after World War II. I I only heard of it
World War II. I I only heard of it because of Mr. Richard Esrrich. I didn't
because of Mr. Richard Esrrich. I didn't hear of it before that.
hear of it before that. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you could post a link to that
>> Yeah. If you could post a link to that or uh send it to me later so I can post
or uh send it to me later so I can post it, that'd be great.
it, that'd be great. >> Sure.
>> Sure. >> And and brother Ash, sorry, just one one
>> And and brother Ash, sorry, just one one huge favor. when you go over that stuff
huge favor. when you go over that stuff tomorrow also uh look at the whole paper
tomorrow also uh look at the whole paper the first one you discussed the second
the first one you discussed the second one in its entirety the room temperature
one in its entirety the room temperature superc conductor and god bless you for
superc conductor and god bless you for doing it because nobody else cares about
doing it because nobody else cares about my work except you and brother Rossy
my work except you and brother Rossy anyway maybe one day
anyway maybe one day >> can I mention something about the room
>> can I mention something about the room temperature sure I want you to know that
temperature sure I want you to know that I took for fun the other night I took
I took for fun the other night I took the exact description from Sal's great
the exact description from Sal's great patent on the room temperature
patent on the room temperature superconductor
superconductor And I well I put it I put it in chat GPT
And I well I put it I put it in chat GPT and I put it in Grock. Those two. Now to
and I put it in Grock. Those two. Now to be fair I don't have the professional
be fair I don't have the professional versions but I put it in and I said is
versions but I put it in and I said is there any other experiment that you can
there any other experiment that you can find on the internet in which uh
find on the internet in which uh something like this was done. They
something like this was done. They couldn't find anything similar.
couldn't find anything similar. They couldn't find any to in with with
They couldn't find any to in with with the room temperature super. No one said
the room temperature super. No one said the insulator this layer that. I the AI
the insulator this layer that. I the AI at least said to me they couldn't find
at least said to me they couldn't find anything. Huh. Well, so let me change
anything. Huh. Well, so let me change topics slightly. Not really though. But
topics slightly. Not really though. But um because it kind of does go back to
um because it kind of does go back to Teller and I think I don't which Bush
Teller and I think I don't which Bush did you mention?
did you mention? >> Vanver Bush. He was he was the first
>> Vanver Bush. He was he was the first of uh
of uh >> he was the first. I believe he was
>> he was the first. I believe he was Majestic one. If you believe in that
Majestic one. If you believe in that thing, you know, he he was the first. I
thing, you know, he he was the first. I believe his sp went to John Trump.
believe his sp went to John Trump. That's why he was sent to do the Tesla
That's why he was sent to do the Tesla paper. And he John Trump you got to look
paper. And he John Trump you got to look into this guy that
into this guy that >> John Trump has al John Trump
>> John Trump has al John Trump >> well John Trump is also very close with
>> well John Trump is also very close with John Vandagramraph the inventor of the
John Vandagramraph the inventor of the machine and we know the Vandagramraph
machine and we know the Vandagramraph machine later
machine later >> and it makes sense the third one in the
>> and it makes sense the third one in the sequence would be Edward Tulla because
sequence would be Edward Tulla because he's involved with everything
he's involved with everything >> and we know that John uh John John
>> and we know that John uh John John Vandergraph we know that he created the
Vandergraph we know that he created the Vandagramraph machine which started the
Vandagramraph machine which started the motivation for particle accelerator
motivation for particle accelerator >> and I think started the Jason's brother
>> and I think started the Jason's brother I think
I think I agree. And also there's a paper from
I agree. And also there's a paper from 1976 or 1978 by Edward Teller where he
1976 or 1978 by Edward Teller where he says in the title rotating crystals,
says in the title rotating crystals, rotating capacitors. He says it right
rotating capacitors. He says it right there, but in the opening statement he
there, but in the opening statement he says we I'm paraphrasing here, but he
says we I'm paraphrasing here, but he says we have spent so much time looking
says we have spent so much time looking for all these new particles that we've
for all these new particles that we've we've basically lost what's been right
we've basically lost what's been right in front of us.
in front of us. >> He said it in his opening statement. I
>> He said it in his opening statement. I think what happened I think what
think what happened I think what happened is that in the Abomb we had a
happened is that in the Abomb we had a re-evaluation of how secrecy works
re-evaluation of how secrecy works because too much stuff leaked out. Too
because too much stuff leaked out. Too much stuff leaked out and we had to have
much stuff leaked out and we had to have a dramatic recalibration of how we do
a dramatic recalibration of how we do weapon secrecy. And I think we took it
weapon secrecy. And I think we took it to its extreme. I think we said we are
to its extreme. I think we said we are never going to let people figure out the
never going to let people figure out the next advancement beyond the Abomb which
next advancement beyond the Abomb which happened to be Hbomb clean H bombs
happened to be Hbomb clean H bombs fourth generation nukes now basically
fourth generation nukes now basically making catered customized thermonuclear
making catered customized thermonuclear weapons that can manipulate spaceime. I
weapons that can manipulate spaceime. I think we saw that and we built a
think we saw that and we built a culture. We built a literal culture of
culture. We built a literal culture of secrecy. a culture of secrecy where the
secrecy. a culture of secrecy where the the good old boys club the people that
the good old boys club the people that you just mentioned and I totally believe
you just mentioned and I totally believe Edward Teller started the Jasons because
Edward Teller started the Jasons because >> let me like uh
>> let me like uh >> he was in everything and he was also
>> he was in everything and he was also very political.
very political. >> Yeah. And the JSONs if you're not sure
>> Yeah. And the JSONs if you're not sure what the JSONs are guys the JSON is a
what the JSONs are guys the JSON is a group of academics but that are also
group of academics but that are also like connect and their connection is
like connect and their connection is just like the Manhattan projects like
just like the Manhattan projects like >> and the list is classified. The list is
>> and the list is classified. The list is classified
classified >> the the members are not known. Yeah,
>> the the members are not known. Yeah, they're not known and you can find some
they're not known and you can find some of them. I've looked. It's It's not
of them. I've looked. It's It's not easy. So, this secret group that are
easy. So, this secret group that are basically, if you believe Gary
basically, if you believe Gary Stevenson, they're all basically
Stevenson, they're all basically professors.
professors. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And we were able to figure out like what
>> And we were able to figure out like what happens because Gary Stevenson told a
happens because Gary Stevenson told a story to Tim Ventura about his friend
story to Tim Ventura about his friend Robert MLB Baker who won a lifetime
Robert MLB Baker who won a lifetime achievement award for gravitational
achievement award for gravitational waves in 2011. In the early 2000s, he
waves in 2011. In the early 2000s, he got written up by Ron Pandalfi of the
got written up by Ron Pandalfi of the CIA and
CIA and >> was a little too close to China for
>> was a little too close to China for comfort. Just a little just a little. So
comfort. Just a little just a little. So I'll I'll I'll reiterate, but yeah. So
I'll I'll I'll reiterate, but yeah. So the way the story goes is that he said a
the way the story goes is that he said a little bit too much to China about
little bit too much to China about gravitational waves. And so they put it
gravitational waves. And so they put it on the agenda to determine whether or
on the agenda to determine whether or not Robert MLB Baker broke national
not Robert MLB Baker broke national security by talking a little bit too
security by talking a little bit too much about China about gravitational
much about China about gravitational they they shut the report down by saying
they they shut the report down by saying that he was using the inverse Genstein
that he was using the inverse Genstein effect which was not true but anyways.
effect which was not true but anyways. Yeah.
Yeah. >> Yeah. So and what happened was weird. So
>> Yeah. So and what happened was weird. So they basically give him a slap on the
they basically give him a slap on the wrist cuz gravitational manipulation I
wrist cuz gravitational manipulation I think we all agree is definitely real.
think we all agree is definitely real. We're describing it and how we do it
We're describing it and how we do it here. Absolutely.
here. Absolutely. >> So we know it's real. So why didn't they
>> So we know it's real. So why didn't they go crack down on it when they could
go crack down on it when they could have? Well they get this they do this
have? Well they get this they do this technicality where they go well the
technicality where they go well the effect that you know the Gersinstein
effect that you know the Gersinstein effect only comes into play at these
effect only comes into play at these super high voltages. So whatever he was
super high voltages. So whatever he was talking about was too minimal to like
talking about was too minimal to like actually be significant. That's what
actually be significant. That's what they did. And this is weird because I
they did. And this is weird because I started digging.
started digging. >> Sorry Ashton. They based that
>> Sorry Ashton. They based that interpretation off of the inverse
interpretation off of the inverse Gersonenstein effect, not the the
Gersonenstein effect, not the the forward moving. Yeah. Yeah.
forward moving. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, that was why. So, here's another
>> Oh, that was why. So, here's another little anecdote for you guys because,
little anecdote for you guys because, and this is the reason why I totally
and this is the reason why I totally believe Edward Teller started this and
believe Edward Teller started this and what have you, is that
what have you, is that >> also wasn't just Robert MLB Baker. I
>> also wasn't just Robert MLB Baker. I mean, I'm sure that like these, you
mean, I'm sure that like these, you know, it's all classified so we don't
know, it's all classified so we don't know who's been written up over the
know who's been written up over the years,
years, >> but Lel Wood actually got written up by
>> but Lel Wood actually got written up by the Jason as well. Loel Wood was one of
the Jason as well. Loel Wood was one of the thermonuclear weapon designers that
the thermonuclear weapon designers that worked with John Knuckles and he had the
worked with John Knuckles and he had the exact same thing that happened to him.
exact same thing that happened to him. Tell you something about him. He was the
Tell you something about him. He was the Fritz Wiki. He was the Fritz Wiki of the
Fritz Wiki. He was the Fritz Wiki of the engineering world. He was one of the
engineering world. He was one of the most like genius people you can believe.
most like genius people you can believe. But he was nasty as [ __ ]
But he was nasty as [ __ ] >> That's what I hear.
>> That's what I hear. >> You got to be careful. Anyway. Yeah.
>> You got to be careful. Anyway. Yeah. >> Well, so here's the thing. So anyway, he
>> Well, so here's the thing. So anyway, he goes to China and he says a little bit
goes to China and he says a little bit too much. And so then they write him up
too much. And so then they write him up as well. And it turns out it was the
as well. And it turns out it was the like the wave equations were the thing
like the wave equations were the thing that they were upset about with him,
that they were upset about with him, which you could imagine is like getting
which you could imagine is like getting your waves to converge or what have you.
your waves to converge or what have you. So he gets out of it because he gets off
So he gets out of it because he gets off on a technicality too. Turns out they
on a technicality too. Turns out they find some scientific paper that has the
find some scientific paper that has the equations in it or something and so
equations in it or something and so therefore like now it's oh well there
therefore like now it's oh well there was a scientific paper that was public
was a scientific paper that was public so now you're fine. But it hurt him and
so now you're fine. But it hurt him and it hurt his reputation.
it hurt his reputation. >> Yeah. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. Go ahead. >> Sure. If I could say very quickly,
>> Sure. If I could say very quickly, Edward Teller, I believe it was on the
Edward Teller, I believe it was on the Dick Cavet show, I could be wrong, but
Dick Cavet show, I could be wrong, but he said in 1991, he was trying to leave
he said in 1991, he was trying to leave the hints where he could. So he
the hints where he could. So he emphasized on that show, he said, he
emphasized on that show, he said, he goes, "I want to emphasize the discovery
goes, "I want to emphasize the discovery of a groundbreaking new material." He
of a groundbreaking new material." He said, "High superconductors." Because
said, "High superconductors." Because around 1990 is when they announced it, I
around 1990 is when they announced it, I think. But the second thing was that
think. But the second thing was that Edward Teller had also said, he goes, "I
Edward Teller had also said, he goes, "I believe that we are driving
believe that we are driving classification far too much in this
classification far too much in this country." And he gave an example. He
country." And he gave an example. He said that a lot of American scientists
said that a lot of American scientists and engineers did not believe that
and engineers did not believe that directed energy weapons were possible.
directed energy weapons were possible. He said this on the show in 1991 and
He said this on the show in 1991 and basically the Russians were openly
basically the Russians were openly talking about it, he said. And then he
talking about it, he said. And then he goes, "We had to give security
goes, "We had to give security clearances to our scientists in America
clearances to our scientists in America for me to bring them into the into a
for me to bring them into the into a meeting room to show them the
meeting room to show them the equations," he said. And he goes, "The
equations," he said. And he goes, "The reason I'm upset about this," you could
reason I'm upset about this," you could tell he was passionate, is because he
tell he was passionate, is because he said, "The Soviets are openly discussing
said, "The Soviets are openly discussing it." He said,
it." He said, >> "Yeah." Yes.
>> "Yeah." Yes. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> that's the thing, right, is that that's
>> that's the thing, right, is that that's what we're seeing happen right now. I
what we're seeing happen right now. I think this is a good segue to the next
think this is a good segue to the next topic. So, not only is it this JSON
topic. So, not only is it this JSON group that's been writing people up and
group that's been writing people up and it's all related to, you know, um
it's all related to, you know, um nuclear weapons. Oh, one more thing I
nuclear weapons. Oh, one more thing I want to say as well is that
want to say as well is that um I also found scientific paper by
um I also found scientific paper by Knuckles
Knuckles and and Wood in addition to one more
and and Wood in addition to one more person that they were proposing that
person that they were proposing that nuclear weapons might be used to test
nuclear weapons might be used to test relativity that we could literally
relativity that we could literally produce gravitational waves with
produce gravitational waves with thermonuclear weapons. When I saw that
thermonuclear weapons. When I saw that paper, I just went, "What? How are
paper, I just went, "What? How are people not putting two and two together
people not putting two and two together here, guys?" is like and then you've got
here, guys?" is like and then you've got Edward Teller talking about you know
Edward Teller talking about you know that secrecy has gone too far. A lot of
that secrecy has gone too far. A lot of people have been saying that even how
people have been saying that even how Puduff kind of mentions is like well we
Puduff kind of mentions is like well we let secrecy go super far and maybe now
let secrecy go super far and maybe now we can let some of this stuff come out.
we can let some of this stuff come out. So let's talk a little bit about
So let's talk a little bit about disclosure then right
disclosure then right >> oh boy you mean immaculate constipation
>> oh boy you mean immaculate constipation I'm kidding. I'm gonna I'm gonna
I'm kidding. I'm gonna I'm gonna [laughter] first I want to start with
[laughter] first I want to start with ThreeI Atlas because everybody's [ __ ]
ThreeI Atlas because everybody's [ __ ] ThreeI Atlas. I can't this this makes me
ThreeI Atlas. I can't this this makes me crash out more than most topics do
crash out more than most topics do because I can't get over how silly an
because I can't get over how silly an idea it is that the aliens are flying
idea it is that the aliens are flying around on a rock when we've got quantum
around on a rock when we've got quantum mechanics. We're literally able to
mechanics. We're literally able to change the arrow of time according to
change the arrow of time according to Salv. Why does Avi lobe refuse
Salv. Why does Avi lobe refuse to believe gravitational waves? Like the
to believe gravitational waves? Like the guy must just hate gravitational waves
guy must just hate gravitational waves more than anything because I would think
more than anything because I would think that any physicist that understands
that any physicist that understands gravitational waves knows that the
gravitational waves knows that the aliens are never flying around on a
aliens are never flying around on a space rock.
space rock. >> But go ahead. What are what are your
>> But go ahead. What are what are your opinions on Atlas 3i? He must have hated
opinions on Atlas 3i? He must have hated he must have really hated the uh uh
he must have really hated the uh uh Mesner Wheeler and Thorne the the uh
Mesner Wheeler and Thorne the the uh >> Abby was greatest book of all time
>> Abby was greatest book of all time because I was right there. I mean one of
because I was right there. I mean one of them actually yeah one of the three
them actually yeah one of the three actually got the Nobel Prize for it. So
actually got the Nobel Prize for it. So I don't know what I I
I don't know what I I >> what's his deal? What do you guys think
>> what's his deal? What do you guys think is obvious and I
is obvious and I >> I think I think you know he wrote some
>> I think I think you know he wrote some interesting book and and he is after all
interesting book and and he is after all a Harvard University professor extremely
a Harvard University professor extremely intelligent extremely well-versed in the
intelligent extremely well-versed in the mathematical formulism of astrophysics.
Certain things are driven toward achieving certain
are driven toward achieving certain objectives.
I don't think we need to bring the aliens into this at all. Again, manmade
aliens into this at all. Again, manmade tech, gentlemen. Man-made tech.
tech, gentlemen. Man-made tech. >> Anyway,
>> Anyway, >> what about you, Dave? What do you think?
>> what about you, Dave? What do you think? >> Honestly, I'll just come right out and
>> Honestly, I'll just come right out and say it, and I've said it to people on my
say it, and I've said it to people on my my Patreon Zoom calls. I I'm personally
my Patreon Zoom calls. I I'm personally I'm indifferent about it. I'm close to
I'm indifferent about it. I'm close to people that have other feelings about
people that have other feelings about it. I honestly quite frankly I at this
it. I honestly quite frankly I at this point I don't really care because for me
point I don't really care because for me it's very simple if I wake up in the
it's very simple if I wake up in the morning and something's in the sky or
morning and something's in the sky or whatever it is okay I'll deal with it
whatever it is okay I'll deal with it when it happens until then I'm
when it happens until then I'm interested in the science that I can
interested in the science that I can control so I don't personally I'm
control so I don't personally I'm indifferent I don't I mean do I think a
indifferent I don't I mean do I think a lobe has seen things that he cannot talk
lobe has seen things that he cannot talk about in the sk in the lower earth orbit
about in the sk in the lower earth orbit and even near earth or and far orbit
and even near earth or and far orbit absolutely um but that's in terms of the
absolutely um but that's in terms of the atlas itself I don't get myself excited
atlas itself I don't get myself excited for it. I even when I see an article, I
for it. I even when I see an article, I don't even click on it to be honest with
don't even click on it to be honest with you. Um, that's just me. But
you. Um, that's just me. But >> no, I agree. I I think that it's it's
>> no, I agree. I I think that it's it's kind of silly. I to me it's regressive
kind of silly. I to me it's regressive thinking. It's like they would aliens to
thinking. It's like they would aliens to be less more less advanced than we are
be less more less advanced than we are to be flying around on rocks. I mean,
to be flying around on rocks. I mean, the only thing that gets me excited
the only thing that gets me excited about that is like maybe there's some
about that is like maybe there's some bacteria or something in there, some
bacteria or something in there, some ancient bacteria that whatever that we
ancient bacteria that whatever that we can unfreeze and then what have you.
can unfreeze and then what have you. Well, you look, for example, at what
Well, you look, for example, at what they're saying with this official
they're saying with this official narrative about ThreeI Atlas about what
narrative about ThreeI Atlas about what could it be, maybe this, maybe that, and
could it be, maybe this, maybe that, and the the questions never end. But then
the the questions never end. But then you have someone like former Lockheed
you have someone like former Lockheed engineer Boyd Bushman on his deathbed
engineer Boyd Bushman on his deathbed saying that you have craft coming in and
saying that you have craft coming in and out all the time to Earth. So,
out all the time to Earth. So, >> but but from a Trojan horse point of
>> but but from a Trojan horse point of view,
view, >> right,
>> right, >> if you had a special weapon, not
>> if you had a special weapon, not necessarily that you need an armada for,
necessarily that you need an armada for, even though there's great quality and
even though there's great quality and quantity,
quantity, >> right,
>> right, >> as uh the man of steel once said, the
>> as uh the man of steel once said, the one that's born December 18th, by the
one that's born December 18th, by the way.
way. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Now, now now there's no need for a swarm
Now, now now there's no need for a swarm of drones and you know all you need is a
of drones and you know all you need is a Trojan horse to come
Trojan horse to come >> depositing a special weapon,
>> depositing a special weapon, >> right?
>> right? >> A weapon that brother Ashton has been
>> A weapon that brother Ashton has been describing for quite a while now.
describing for quite a while now. >> But of what one such intensity is to
>> But of what one such intensity is to basically rupture the earth apart? Is it
basically rupture the earth apart? Is it possible? Plasma disruption fusion
possible? Plasma disruption fusion weapon speaks to that physics. Yes, it's
weapon speaks to that physics. Yes, it's possible. If I can say very quickly from
possible. If I can say very quickly from a a critical thinking perspective, we
a a critical thinking perspective, we have to consider that I'm not saying
have to consider that I'm not saying this is what something's coming. This is
this is what something's coming. This is just my opinion. But we have to consider
just my opinion. But we have to consider possibilities like the fact that it's
possibilities like the fact that it's very possible. People always talk about
very possible. People always talk about you know nuclear bombs being launched
you know nuclear bombs being launched and everything like that. But what if
and everything like that. But what if what if uh whether it's done to us or
what if uh whether it's done to us or whether it's done to our enemies or
whether it's done to our enemies or whatever. What if for example you have a
whatever. What if for example you have a country right and then you have some uh
country right and then you have some uh you know intelligence agents. They go
you know intelligence agents. They go into that country and they go to a a
into that country and they go to a a building or a warehouse and they put
building or a warehouse and they put just the outer shell of a nuclear bomb
just the outer shell of a nuclear bomb there. There's nothing in it. But then
there. There's nothing in it. But then from a satellite or from a directed
from a satellite or from a directed energy weapon, they send out a
energy weapon, they send out a longitudinal scalar wave pulse that then
longitudinal scalar wave pulse that then simulates the effects of a nuke. And
simulates the effects of a nuke. And then they use social media to get
then they use social media to get everyone ex uh uh distraught and
everyone ex uh uh distraught and distressed when really it was just a
distressed when really it was just a little EMP that just turned off your
little EMP that just turned off your electronics. So, we have to think about,
electronics. So, we have to think about, you know, what's what are they trying to
you know, what's what are they trying to control with uh and we have to use our
control with uh and we have to use our critical thinking is what I would say.
critical thinking is what I would say. >> Yeah. And it would before all of this,
>> Yeah. And it would before all of this, it would have been really easy for them
it would have been really easy for them to put like make something look like an
to put like make something look like an alien invasion or I mean people are
alien invasion or I mean people are thinking space rocks are aliens. So, if
thinking space rocks are aliens. So, if there's some orbs come flying around in
there's some orbs come flying around in triangle formations, everyone's going to
triangle formations, everyone's going to be thinking as aliens with no question.
be thinking as aliens with no question. But, you know, the stock that's going up
But, you know, the stock that's going up in my opinion, especially after this
in my opinion, especially after this conversation, is future human stock. is
conversation, is future human stock. is that instead of your Trojan horse and
that instead of your Trojan horse and instead of take the same idea, but
instead of take the same idea, but instead of this blue beam scenario,
instead of this blue beam scenario, >> right?
>> right? >> Imagine all it would take to change the
>> Imagine all it would take to change the course of history is to send a time
course of history is to send a time machine back in time and give it to
machine back in time and give it to people of the past, right? Oh, wow.
people of the past, right? Oh, wow. >> And if you do that, just just sending a
>> And if you do that, just just sending a message is enough. You don't even have
message is enough. You don't even have to transmit yourself to the past. Just
to transmit yourself to the past. Just tell people like imagine that.
tell people like imagine that. >> Oh boy. you know, somebody transmitted
>> Oh boy. you know, somebody transmitted back to Tesla energy, frequency,
back to Tesla energy, frequency, vibration, and then that became his
vibration, and then that became his whole life, right? That would change the
whole life, right? That would change the whole course of human history,
whole course of human history, >> right? And something that simple could
>> right? And something that simple could could lead to that. So the idea of
could lead to that. So the idea of future humans is the one I think is the
future humans is the one I think is the most interesting, especially if
most interesting, especially if retrocausality is possible. If
retrocausality is possible. If retrocausality is possible, then I think
retrocausality is possible, then I think the answer to the alien question is it's
the answer to the alien question is it's us. It's us from the future. It would
us. It's us from the future. It would have to be. I mean, that makes more
have to be. I mean, that makes more sense than little green men to me. I I
sense than little green men to me. I I don't mean to uh push any partic I don't
don't mean to uh push any partic I don't mean to push any particular narrative or
mean to push any particular narrative or anything of the type, but since you
anything of the type, but since you brought up that theorem, Ashton, I will
brought up that theorem, Ashton, I will say that putting all the the the
say that putting all the the the spectacles aside, if you will, I know
spectacles aside, if you will, I know that that was something that Dr. Dan
that that was something that Dr. Dan Burish claimed that these grays were in
Burish claimed that these grays were in fact humans from the future and they
fact humans from the future and they were entering points in our past to give
were entering points in our past to give us certain technology to then alter an
us certain technology to then alter an outcome. Again, not saying I believe it
outcome. Again, not saying I believe it or disbelieve it. It's just interesting
or disbelieve it. It's just interesting that um he claimed that. So it it's very
that um he claimed that. So it it's very I don't rule that out at all.
I don't rule that out at all. >> What's scary is AI and even machine
>> What's scary is AI and even machine intelligence could calculate every
intelligence could calculate every possible outcome and predict what those
possible outcome and predict what those outcomes are going to be and then
outcomes are going to be and then predict what you sending a message back
predict what you sending a message back in time would do to shape and change
in time would do to shape and change those outcomes as well. That's the part
those outcomes as well. That's the part that scares me the most is that and then
that scares me the most is that and then that's just with the technology that we
that's just with the technology that we can already foresee let alone technology
can already foresee let alone technology that we don't even have the capability
that we don't even have the capability for seeing right now.
for seeing right now. >> Right. Right.
>> Right. Right. >> So let's flip over then and talk about
>> So let's flip over then and talk about age of disclosure. So, finally, I guess
age of disclosure. So, finally, I guess they got a deal done after like a year
they got a deal done after like a year and a half. Joe Joe Rogan's seen this
and a half. Joe Joe Rogan's seen this this documentary for like over a year
this documentary for like over a year now.
now. >> Um, and I guess it's going to be on
>> Um, and I guess it's going to be on Amazon Prime. I think they're gonna make
Amazon Prime. I think they're gonna make people pay for it, though. I don't think
people pay for it, though. I don't think you can even watch it for free. So,
you can even watch it for free. So, >> um, but what are you guys thoughts on
>> um, but what are you guys thoughts on some of this? I think the only thing
some of this? I think the only thing that's intriguing to me about it, well,
that's intriguing to me about it, well, first of all, I like to watch Hal Pudof.
first of all, I like to watch Hal Pudof. And I think in the interview he even
And I think in the interview he even mentions um in the trailer that just
mentions um in the trailer that just dropped he mentions the idea that aliens
dropped he mentions the idea that aliens or whatever non-human intelligence is
or whatever non-human intelligence is using nuclear technology energy sources
using nuclear technology energy sources potentially the propulsion. So I'm
potentially the propulsion. So I'm interested to see anything by Hal Pudof
interested to see anything by Hal Pudof talking about the science and he's
talking about the science and he's always very very vague about the alien
always very very vague about the alien stuff.
stuff. >> You want to know my honest opinion? I'll
>> You want to know my honest opinion? I'll just say it right now because I I feel
just say it right now because I I feel it's appropriate. The gentleman in the
it's appropriate. The gentleman in the middle of our screen right now, he he if
middle of our screen right now, he he if his inventions came to light, that whole
his inventions came to light, that whole crew, that whole set of individ
W Davis working for Dr. Harold Putoff said there is nothing there.
said there is nothing there. >> What in the alien front you mean?
>> What in the alien front you mean? >> No, he said in your thing. Yeah. Yeah.
>> No, he said in your thing. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's exactly what he told to Stratton.
>> That's exactly what he told to Stratton. >> Exactly. CIA.
>> Exactly. CIA. >> They're all CIA Stratton. listening to
>> They're all CIA Stratton. listening to Jay Stratton.
Jay Stratton. >> Yeah. But the problem is that is that
>> Yeah. But the problem is that is that Thomas Kir McConnell had to listen to
Thomas Kir McConnell had to listen to Stratton. He was the O and I dude. So
Stratton. He was the O and I dude. So >> I in other words when it comes to the
>> I in other words when it comes to the movie I think that you know for example
movie I think that you know for example even when Matthew Borland talked about
even when Matthew Borland talked about the the the true values the energy
the the the true values the energy source. I'm I'm really not trying to put
source. I'm I'm really not trying to put him on a pedestal here but but I
him on a pedestal here but but I naturally I am. I do believe that Sal's
naturally I am. I do believe that Sal's inventions are the remedies to most of
inventions are the remedies to most of the world's problems. Literally. And
the world's problems. Literally. And that's good answer. You're a good man.
that's good answer. You're a good man. That's I believe it, brother. You know
That's I believe it, brother. You know why I believe it and you know why I know
why I believe it and you know why I know it actually. Um but that's why I believe
it actually. Um but that's why I believe that if Sal's inventions were to be
that if Sal's inventions were to be experimented on and the experiments were
experimented on and the experiments were filmed and so on, I believe that this
filmed and so on, I believe that this entire narrative on the disclosure side
entire narrative on the disclosure side would there would be no movie. There
would there would be no movie. There would be nothing because his inventions
would be nothing because his inventions provided those answers.
provided those answers. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> that's my give me great honor, brothers.
>> that's my give me great honor, brothers. You do great.
You do great. Yeah. Go ahead, sir.
Yeah. Go ahead, sir. >> I'm most interested in seeing though is
>> I'm most interested in seeing though is uh Marco Rubio. He's kind of a new
uh Marco Rubio. He's kind of a new addition to these docu Everybody else
addition to these docu Everybody else has basically been in this documentary
has basically been in this documentary like five times already.
like five times already. >> Have you ever looked at him very
>> Have you ever looked at him very carefully? He appears as a very pensive
carefully? He appears as a very pensive man. A man who thinks before he speaks.
man. A man who thinks before he speaks. >> My opinion on him I think exactly that.
>> My opinion on him I think exactly that. I think that he's a thinker. I think
I think that he's a thinker. I think he's very smart. But I'm I think I think
he's very smart. But I'm I think I think he doesn't want to rock the boat. Maybe
he doesn't want to rock the boat. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think he for sure what
I'm wrong, but I think he for sure what brother Sal said he is for sure a
brother Sal said he is for sure a thinker. You could look at the way the
thinker. You could look at the way the media asks him questions. He thinks like
media asks him questions. He thinks like a lot of these guys don't. He you could
a lot of these guys don't. He you could tell his brain is running and he's so I
tell his brain is running and he's so I I I do have respect for Mr. Rubio. I do.
I I do have respect for Mr. Rubio. I do. I
I >> like him now. I'm I'm unashamedly like
>> like him now. I'm I'm unashamedly like him now. We've gone from little Marco
him now. We've gone from little Marco where he used to drink the water bottle
where he used to drink the water bottle and had that awkward interview where
and had that awkward interview where he's like drinking the water bottle like
he's like drinking the water bottle like 50,000.
50,000. >> It's because he's passionate. He's
>> It's because he's passionate. He's passionate about his ideas and people
passionate about his ideas and people always misinterpreted anyway.
always misinterpreted anyway. >> And I think he knows the truth. I mean,
>> And I think he knows the truth. I mean, he's national security adviser to
he's national security adviser to president right now. He's the secretary
president right now. He's the secretary of state
of state >> as national security advisor. They
>> as national security advisor. They definitely should tell him.
definitely should tell him. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> I hope
>> I hope >> and I mean he's talking about the UFO
>> and I mean he's talking about the UFO stuff. So I think he knows but I think
stuff. So I think he knows but I think he's also smart enough
he's also smart enough >> to play the game, right? He's smart
>> to play the game, right? He's smart enough to play the game. He's not going
enough to play the game. He's not going to come out and start blabbing about
to come out and start blabbing about what he knows. The question the question
what he knows. The question the question also we have to ask maybe is is it
also we have to ask maybe is is it possible that under Teller and those
possible that under Teller and those guys from that era is it possible that
guys from that era is it possible that they slowly uh developed a system where
they slowly uh developed a system where the with under Kissinger and those guys
the with under Kissinger and those guys that
that >> oh that right that future secretary of
>> oh that right that future secretary of defenses could still get read in on
defenses could still get read in on these programs but not like they used to
these programs but not like they used to be read in. Right. We have to ask
be read in. Right. We have to ask ourselves is it possible
ourselves is it possible >> anybody know the relationship between
>> anybody know the relationship between Kissinger and Teller? Were they close? I
Kissinger and Teller? Were they close? I know that I know that Edward Teller said
know that I know that Edward Teller said that he admired Lawrence Rockefeller. I
that he admired Lawrence Rockefeller. I don't know about Kissinger.
don't know about Kissinger. >> Well, that's what that's what I want to
>> Well, that's what that's what I want to know the most about, you know, like I I
know the most about, you know, like I I like all aspects of this investigation.
like all aspects of this investigation. Like I love the science. I love the true
Like I love the science. I love the true crime stuff, but I also like to just
crime stuff, but I also like to just learn how systems work. Like I want to
learn how systems work. Like I want to know like there obviously had to be some
know like there obviously had to be some succession plan to tell her, right?
succession plan to tell her, right? Absolutely. Oh yeah.
Absolutely. Oh yeah. >> Like and all this information is very
>> Like and all this information is very compartmentalized. Like we lost the
compartmentalized. Like we lost the recipe for fog bank, right? We lost it.
recipe for fog bank, right? We lost it. >> Is who took who took it from Tela?
>> Is who took who took it from Tela? >> Exactly. That's the question. That's
>> Exactly. That's the question. That's what I want to know. I want to know who
what I want to know. I want to know who took it. And I could see I could
took it. And I could see I could envision a scenario where they figure
envision a scenario where they figure out thermonuclear weapons or
out thermonuclear weapons or manipulating spaceime and they write it
manipulating spaceime and they write it into the peds. They write it into the
into the peds. They write it into the presidential executive action documents
presidential executive action documents so that it supersedes any future
so that it supersedes any future president. And so now Marco Rubio and
president. And so now Marco Rubio and Donald Trump come in and they can see
Donald Trump come in and they can see the peeds and they're like, "Shit, we
the peeds and they're like, "Shit, we got to deal with this. We got to not
got to deal with this. We got to not talk about space-time manipulation. We
talk about space-time manipulation. We got super nukes. We got [ __ ] that nobody
got super nukes. We got [ __ ] that nobody even knows about, right?" I could
even knows about, right?" I could totally see a scenario like that where
totally see a scenario like that where they do that because they also learn
they do that because they also learn from their mistakes and they go, "We
from their mistakes and they go, "We can't lose this information because we
can't lose this information because we didn't have somebody else come in
didn't have somebody else come in because they were trying to keep it
because they were trying to keep it super compartmentalized." And then what
super compartmentalized." And then what if there's a ripple effect in some
if there's a ripple effect in some instances where just by revealing the
instances where just by revealing the information incriminates the scientists
information incriminates the scientists that worked on it?
that worked on it? >> Yeah, that's a big problem. The legality
>> Yeah, that's a big problem. The legality of it is a big problem. This is what Dr.
of it is a big problem. This is what Dr. Steven Greer and I spoke about a lot,
Steven Greer and I spoke about a lot, which is that he says, "Well, these are
which is that he says, "Well, these are illegal." And I go, "I think it's
illegal." And I go, "I think it's technically legal." The problem is the
technically legal." The problem is the public won't think it's legal, right?
public won't think it's legal, right? When you come out and say, "We've had
When you come out and say, "We've had infinite energy technologies and fusion
infinite energy technologies and fusion technologies and by the way, we just had
technologies and by the way, we just had to hide it for national security." Like,
to hide it for national security." Like, go ahead.
go ahead. >> I'll sure. I'll say something that to
>> I'll sure. I'll say something that to that point which is that I in in many
that point which is that I in in many levels I I do fundamentally agree with
levels I I do fundamentally agree with what Greer is saying on the big picture
what Greer is saying on the big picture aspect. Uh however there was a leaked
aspect. Uh however there was a leaked document between uh some uh someone
document between uh some uh someone named John Estridge and an anonymous
named John Estridge and an anonymous contractor and this I believe that it's
contractor and this I believe that it's it's it's real just my opinion and if it
it's it's real just my opinion and if it is real we have to realize that this
is real we have to realize that this contractor who worked on these programs
contractor who worked on these programs was telling Mr. Estrich. Basically, you
was telling Mr. Estrich. Basically, you have to understand you can't just go and
have to understand you can't just go and raid these facilities because a lot of
raid these facilities because a lot of people working in the facilities don't
people working in the facilities don't want to leave. They like it. They like
want to leave. They like it. They like the way that it's set up. Not everybody,
the way that it's set up. Not everybody, but some of them are. And even imagine
but some of them are. And even imagine you're a good person. You're just an
you're a good person. You're just an engineer working in these programs.
engineer working in these programs. You're 5 10 years away from retirement.
You're 5 10 years away from retirement. And then if you you hear all these
And then if you you hear all these things, you don't want that problem.
things, you don't want that problem. Some of them are willing to speak up and
Some of them are willing to speak up and God bless them. But other ones, I
God bless them. But other ones, I understand, don't want to be saved from
understand, don't want to be saved from it. They just want to do their thing and
it. They just want to do their thing and that's it. And that's the that's the
that's it. And that's the that's the problem. The problem in my opinion is
problem. The problem in my opinion is getting enough people to say yes, we
getting enough people to say yes, we want this to to go into the be brought
want this to to go into the be brought into the light.
into the light. >> And this is the reason why I think this
>> And this is the reason why I think this is the answer to the question because
is the answer to the question because it's the same deal as politics.
it's the same deal as politics. >> It's like libertarians,
>> It's like libertarians, I want there to be no government, right?
I want there to be no government, right? We want to we want to get rid of all
We want to we want to get rid of all this. We want to get rid of personal
this. We want to get rid of personal income taxes. But at the end of the day,
income taxes. But at the end of the day, that's not how the world works. The
that's not how the world works. The world is not idealistic. The world is
world is not idealistic. The world is pragmatic.
pragmatic. >> Well,
>> Well, Okay. So, let me just finish this
Okay. So, let me just finish this thought is that the same thing is also
thought is that the same thing is also true
true >> of like this science, this technology,
>> of like this science, this technology, this suppression of all of this as well
this suppression of all of this as well is that people think, oh, well, we could
is that people think, oh, well, we could just reveal this and then everything
just reveal this and then everything will come collapsing. No, it's because
will come collapsing. No, it's because it's all baked in. The system is set up
it's all baked in. The system is set up this way. You can't just flip the whole
this way. You can't just flip the whole system on its on its head, right? And
system on its on its head, right? And that's never going to work because
that's never going to work because people are incentivized into the system
people are incentivized into the system >> and there go ahead.
>> and there go ahead. >> Oh, sorry. Sorry. What? I'm sorry, man.
>> Oh, sorry. Sorry. What? I'm sorry, man. I don't mean to keep cutting you off.
I don't mean to keep cutting you off. Oh, you're good.
Oh, you're good. >> There have been people, let me just give
>> There have been people, let me just give another example. People will say, "Well,
another example. People will say, "Well, what if we go outside the system?" And
what if we go outside the system?" And there have been, there have been people
there have been, there have been people that, you know, they they get, you know,
that, you know, they they get, you know, five, 10, $20,000, they make a device in
five, 10, $20,000, they make a device in their garage and it does what it what it
their garage and it does what it what it says it does. But here's the thing, the
says it does. But here's the thing, the system, academia or the government, they
system, academia or the government, they never acknowledge it because just by
never acknowledge it because just by acknowledging it means that you have to
acknowledging it means that you have to acknowledge new physics and it means
acknowledge new physics and it means that it's real. So the other side of
that it's real. So the other side of that is working outside of the system
that is working outside of the system and basically having people like you and
and basically having people like you and your audience, Ashton, realizing this is
your audience, Ashton, realizing this is a you a spiritual and a mental war, not
a you a spiritual and a mental war, not a technological war. The technology's
a technological war. The technology's been there. It's just taking a new
been there. It's just taking a new perspective on it and then realizing, oh
perspective on it and then realizing, oh crap, we've been gas lit in many
crap, we've been gas lit in many different ways. So that Thank you. That
different ways. So that Thank you. That was my
was my >> This is And this gets to my This
>> This is And this gets to my This actually rolls into my last topic, which
actually rolls into my last topic, which is I think there is another way. I think
is I think there is another way. I think there is another way which is okay I've
there is another way which is okay I've been trying to catch up and figure out
been trying to catch up and figure out okay this is what they had 10 years ago
okay this is what they had 10 years ago where where they have now and what
where where they have now and what technology is now leaking out to the
technology is now leaking out to the public and you know what I've kind of
public and you know what I've kind of coalesed on what I've converged on a
coalesed on what I've converged on a neutronic fusion I've looked at trialpha
neutronic fusion I've looked at trialpha energy helium fusion and I have a
energy helium fusion and I have a feeling commonwealth fusion which is
feeling commonwealth fusion which is funded by Bill Gates and a bunch of
funded by Bill Gates and a bunch of other palunteer people I have a feeling
other palunteer people I have a feeling they're going to switch over to a
they're going to switch over to a neutronic at some point as well
neutronic at some point as well >> how about a neutronic fusion ution
>> how about a neutronic fusion ution powering AGI. How about a war of ideas,
powering AGI. How about a war of ideas, gentlemen? How about there are AGI
gentlemen? How about there are AGI fighting ours so we don't have to
fighting ours so we don't have to >> I don't want to say too much, but I've
>> I don't want to say too much, but I've I've been talking to people and yes, I I
I've been talking to people and yes, I I have been pushing that idea that our AI
have been pushing that idea that our AI data centers are going to be powered by
data centers are going to be powered by a neutronic fusion. But here's the
a neutronic fusion. But here's the answer then is that my opinion of fusion
answer then is that my opinion of fusion I want to get your guys' opinion as well
I want to get your guys' opinion as well is that they're going to give us a
is that they're going to give us a nerfed version of it because assuming
nerfed version of it because assuming that we can amplify energy to the level
that we can amplify energy to the level where we can make a black hole that
where we can make a black hole that means we have access to unlimited our
means we have access to unlimited our coefficient of performance can just be
coefficient of performance can just be in like the thousands right if we were
in like the thousands right if we were to engineer like a black hole that's
to engineer like a black hole that's stable just like actually this is
stable just like actually this is literally what Lowel Wood wanted to do
literally what Lowel Wood wanted to do >> equation equation change it doesn't have
>> equation equation change it doesn't have a COP in it anymore
a COP in it anymore >> and
>> and >> [laughter]
>> pretty interested in COP. >> Only No, no. What Sal is saying is that
>> Only No, no. What Sal is saying is that interestingly over the past 50 years we
interestingly over the past 50 years we don't measure in COP as much like we
don't measure in COP as much like we used to.
used to. >> Yeah. The only thing that measures COP
>> Yeah. The only thing that measures COP modern in modern homes I believe is a
modern in modern homes I believe is a heat pump.
heat pump. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> I think I could
>> I think I could >> almost on the way out. Yeah. So, so my
>> almost on the way out. Yeah. So, so my thought was my thought is that here's
thought was my thought is that here's what we can do is that we if we can push
what we can do is that we if we can push the public towards these breakthrough
the public towards these breakthrough technologies that you know I've spoken
technologies that you know I've spoken to some very let's just say intelligent
to some very let's just say intelligent business people about this and nobody
business people about this and nobody understands autonic fusion they all ask
understands autonic fusion they all ask me the same question why is that going
me the same question why is that going to be the one why is this going to be
to be the one why is this going to be the one that's going to work compared to
the one that's going to work compared to the other ones I mean how do you really
the other ones I mean how do you really answer that question
answer that question >> boron 11 boron 11 it's the 11. Yes,
>> boron 11 boron 11 it's the 11. Yes, >> there are people that still think the
>> there are people that still think the second law of thermo applies, but
second law of thermo applies, but anyways.
anyways. >> Yeah, and that's the thing.
>> Yeah, and that's the thing. >> It's like dutium. It's like freaking
>> It's like dutium. It's like freaking dutyium for the the plasma compression
dutyium for the the plasma compression fusion device. But the plasma
fusion device. But the plasma compression fus fusion device that paper
compression fus fusion device that paper also mentioned boron 11. [laughter]
also mentioned boron 11. [laughter] >> Did it? Yeah.
>> Did it? Yeah. >> Yes. So
>> Yes. So >> my first reference I can find I mean the
>> my first reference I can find I mean the references go further back but the one
references go further back but the one that really blew my mind was the JNF
that really blew my mind was the JNF 2005 where they were talking about all
2005 where they were talking about all the alternative fusion fuels and they
the alternative fusion fuels and they talk about helium 3 boron
talk about helium 3 boron >> there's a way there's a way to generate
>> there's a way there's a way to generate high frequency gravitational waves with
high frequency gravitational waves with boron and plasma vortexes
boron and plasma vortexes >> really
>> really >> there's a possibly
>> there's a possibly >> well you know what's also crazy Dave to
>> well you know what's also crazy Dave to your to that interview with the
your to that interview with the interview with Eric Davis the crazy part
interview with Eric Davis the crazy part was we started talking about lithium
was we started talking about lithium first of all how is he mispronouncing
first of all how is he mispronouncing The lithium 6 in Castle Bravo generated
The lithium 6 in Castle Bravo generated the almost twice
the almost twice >> at the university.
>> at the university. >> I wish I could speak like him, but
>> I wish I could speak like him, but >> at the you're saying at the the the the
>> at the you're saying at the the the the university
university >> it was the lithium 6
>> it was the lithium 6 >> the lithium 6 the univer the the the
>> the lithium 6 the univer the the the university announcement. Yeah. Yeah.
university announcement. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. [laughter]
Yeah. I remember. [laughter] >> Well, so that was interesting because he
>> Well, so that was interesting because he brought that up. He goes, "Oh, what's
brought that up. He goes, "Oh, what's the third autronic fuel?" He goes,
the third autronic fuel?" He goes, "Lithium." And then he says, "That's
"Lithium." And then he says, "That's also used in thermonuclear weapons." And
also used in thermonuclear weapons." And I go, "Oh, wow." And now I'm wondering,
I go, "Oh, wow." And now I'm wondering, and I did a little bit of research. It
and I did a little bit of research. It turns out like there's I I don't
turns out like there's I I don't understand all the chemistry or
understand all the chemistry or whatever, but they said there's reasons
whatever, but they said there's reasons why they don't use lithium in the
why they don't use lithium in the autronic fusion, but I seriously have to
autronic fusion, but I seriously have to wonder about that. Like why are we doing
wonder about that. Like why are we doing helium 3 and why is there boron 11? But
helium 3 and why is there boron 11? But no discussion of of lithium in
no discussion of of lithium in >> because what if what if both from a
>> because what if what if both from a nuclear perspective and even from an
nuclear perspective and even from an electromagnetic perspective, whether
electromagnetic perspective, whether we're talking about mass reduction or
we're talking about mass reduction or cop or whatever. What if it's what if
cop or whatever. What if it's what if one of the reasons this is so
one of the reasons this is so threatening to the system is that it's
threatening to the system is that it's not using any new material or new
not using any new material or new technology? It is using a um a certain
technology? It is using a um a certain type of amalgamation or combination of
type of amalgamation or combination of known technologies.
known technologies. That's the other
That's the other >> what if there's no magic in the magic.
>> what if there's no magic in the magic. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. It's
>> Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. It's just a different perspective on the
just a different perspective on the engineer. Yes. Yes. And you know what's
engineer. Yes. Yes. And you know what's weird too is that this is what I keep
weird too is that this is what I keep thinking about Brilliant Light Power is
thinking about Brilliant Light Power is that they literally he's using lithium
that they literally he's using lithium in his reactions as well when he's doing
in his reactions as well when he's doing it. So I'm sitting there wondering like
it. So I'm sitting there wondering like he may not be doing the exact thing. He
he may not be doing the exact thing. He might not even know what he's doing.
might not even know what he's doing. >> I'll give you if I can give one last
>> I'll give you if I can give one last example. There was a a a problem that is
example. There was a a a problem that is yet to be solved publicly that had to
yet to be solved publicly that had to deal with the homopolar motor in the
deal with the homopolar motor in the 1800s. The homopolar motor. And
1800s. The homopolar motor. And basically sound knows what I'm getting.
basically sound knows what I'm getting. Yes. And it has to do with this N the
Yes. And it has to do with this N the letter N versus M. The letter M hypothes
letter N versus M. The letter M hypothes moving lines hypothesis. Back then the
moving lines hypothesis. Back then the the concept of the ether was going in
the concept of the ether was going in and out in and out and people were
and out in and out and people were debating are there moving lines of force
debating are there moving lines of force around the setup in the homopolar motor
around the setup in the homopolar motor or are there not? The reason this was a
or are there not? The reason this was a problem was because when they took for
problem was because when they took for example uh two magnets in between and
example uh two magnets in between and they they took a a a conductor metal
they they took a a a conductor metal conductor and they put two magnets in
conductor and they put two magnets in between it like a sandwich and they spun
between it like a sandwich and they spun it with their hand. They noticed that a
it with their hand. They noticed that a voltage was created when technically
voltage was created when technically there shouldn't be because voltages are
there shouldn't be because voltages are created by relative differentials but
created by relative differentials but all of this was spinning at the same
all of this was spinning at the same time.
time. >> Was it in one particular direction only?
>> Was it in one particular direction only? >> Yes, it was. Now, right, the reason I
>> Yes, it was. Now, right, the reason I want to bring all this up is because
want to bring all this up is because publicly we still haven't solved that
publicly we still haven't solved that problem and yet we we're going on to
problem and yet we we're going on to other things. This is why I I praise Sal
other things. This is why I I praise Sal when he says you have to go back to the
when he says you have to go back to the basics because that's where this stuff
basics because that's where this stuff is is is lying in my opinion is is
is is is lying in my opinion is is hidden.
hidden. >> So, how long do you guys think until we
>> So, how long do you guys think until we have fusion energy? What do how do you
have fusion energy? What do how do you guys think it's going to play out?
guys think it's going to play out? >> Definitely won't come from ether. Ether
>> Definitely won't come from ether. Ether just eats money. Give me some billions.
just eats money. Give me some billions. Give me some billions. Oh. Oh. Oh, I'm
Give me some billions. Oh. Oh. Oh, I'm hungry. Give me another 50. Come on.
hungry. Give me another 50. Come on. >> There's a video. There's a good video by
>> There's a video. There's a good video by a guy that uh was hating on Helen Fusion
a guy that uh was hating on Helen Fusion that was like Helian. No, they've never
that was like Helian. No, they've never proven that it works. They got this
proven that it works. They got this contract with Microsoft, but it's Eater
contract with Microsoft, but it's Eater that's IDER is going to be the one that
that's IDER is going to be the one that really [laughter] figures it out.
really [laughter] figures it out. They're the one I'm just sitting there
They're the one I'm just sitting there going, this person I I already know like
going, this person I I already know like who they voted for. I already know how
who they voted for. I already know how many shots they got in during COVID,
many shots they got in during COVID, right? Like I'm just going wow. brother,
right? Like I'm just going wow. brother, they're not even using Repco
they're not even using Repco superconductors. They're not using the
superconductors. They're not using the rare earth barerium, copper oxide, the
rare earth barerium, copper oxide, the YBC. They're not using even uh what MIT
YBC. They're not using even uh what MIT is because now MIT has realized the
is because now MIT has realized the whole idea is really that beta factor
whole idea is really that beta factor that um the
that um the >> I believe there's a magnetic pressure
>> I believe there's a magnetic pressure divided by the plasma pressure. It has
divided by the plasma pressure. It has to do with how compact you make your
to do with how compact you make your reactor. Remember the Poseidon? Remember
reactor. Remember the Poseidon? Remember the Burveesnik?
the Burveesnik? These uh Russian these new Russian
These uh Russian these new Russian weapons. Dude, do you really think they
weapons. Dude, do you really think they use Dude, what kind of close cycle
use Dude, what kind of close cycle thermonuclear reactor can fit on a
thermonuclear reactor can fit on a [ __ ] unmanned torpedo that's about 20
[ __ ] unmanned torpedo that's about 20 m by 2 meters?
m by 2 meters? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Anyway, I'll leave it there.
>> Anyway, I'll leave it there. >> No, it's it's it Yeah, absolutely. And
>> No, it's it's it Yeah, absolutely. And that's the other Yeah. Yep. That I think
that's the other Yeah. Yep. That I think there's been also a systemically a major
there's been also a systemically a major divergence from people looking into
divergence from people looking into things like spark gap.
things like spark gap. >> President Trump's direction,
>> President Trump's direction, >> right? Right.
>> right? Right. >> Is essential.
>> Is essential. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> He's done a good job. They that
>> He's done a good job. They that >> we are starting to get clo that gap is
>> we are starting to get clo that gap is closing, gentlemen.
closing, gentlemen. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> China's catching up and and Trump even
>> China's catching up and and Trump even said this. trying you know I think that
said this. trying you know I think that what we're seeing happen is there's a
what we're seeing happen is there's a huge new investment in fusion they had
huge new investment in fusion they had five new quantum data centers or I don't
five new quantum data centers or I don't know if they're quantum data center but
know if they're quantum data center but uh research facilities research centers
uh research facilities research centers were opened up at the labs as well we're
were opened up at the labs as well we're seeing this and I think it's happening
seeing this and I think it's happening because China's catching up we spoke
because China's catching up we spoke earlier and said you know part of it is
earlier and said you know part of it is that we will probably reveal it when you
that we will probably reveal it when you know Russia or China shows off their
know Russia or China shows off their technology and then we'll say oh yeah we
technology and then we'll say oh yeah we had that too right
had that too right >> well you notice a lot of these
>> well you notice a lot of these facilities and these companies whether
facilities and these companies whether they're government or private. You
they're government or private. You notice a lot of them, and I'm not saying
notice a lot of them, and I'm not saying this is bad or good, but I'm just saying
this is bad or good, but I'm just saying notice how a lot of them, even during
notice how a lot of them, even during their promotional videos that they put
their promotional videos that they put online, they don't actually tell you how
online, they don't actually tell you how the systems working. They don't actually
the systems working. They don't actually explain to you what's going on. They
explain to you what's going on. They they use the word quantum like a lot.
they use the word quantum like a lot. And there's nothing wrong with that, but
And there's nothing wrong with that, but they don't actually explain what's
they don't actually explain what's occurring, how it's occurring, and and
occurring, how it's occurring, and and so on and so forth. Yeah. You know, one
so on and so forth. Yeah. You know, one last thought, which is the other thing
last thought, which is the other thing that when I ask, you know, very smart
that when I ask, you know, very smart people that are connected to some of
people that are connected to some of these businesses and things is that I
these businesses and things is that I ask them, "What do you think's going to
ask them, "What do you think's going to power all these data centers that we're
power all these data centers that we're building?" You know what their answer
building?" You know what their answer is? The answer is nuclear.
is? The answer is nuclear. >> And I kind of laugh at that because I
>> And I kind of laugh at that because I go, that's kind of just like a buzz
go, that's kind of just like a buzz word, right? Like when you say nuclear,
word, right? Like when you say nuclear, it means a lot of different things.
it means a lot of different things. Nuclear just has to do with the atom.
Nuclear just has to do with the atom. Are we splitting the atom or are we
Are we splitting the atom or are we fusing things together? And this goes to
fusing things together? And this goes to Sal's point, which is that one of the
Sal's point, which is that one of the other things that happened is that we're
other things that happened is that we're going to build new small modular nuclear
going to build new small modular nuclear reactors that are mobile
reactors that are mobile >> compact that can power our military
>> compact that can power our military bases overseas for three years that beta
bases overseas for three years that beta goes as R cubed. R being the
goes as R cubed. R being the characteristic um say uh length scale of
characteristic um say uh length scale of your whatever device.
your whatever device. >> Doesn't that mean the power factor
>> Doesn't that mean the power factor increases significantly? Isn't that what
increases significantly? Isn't that what that means? beta. The beta is directly
that means? beta. The beta is directly uh related uh to the idea that you get
uh related uh to the idea that you get more energy out than you put in.
more energy out than you put in. >> And it's possible parametric resonance
>> And it's possible parametric resonance can help amplify that. Yeah.
can help amplify that. Yeah. >> And you don't need the the ignition
>> And you don't need the the ignition condition. Now, the plasma compression
condition. Now, the plasma compression fusion device just does it cuz it's
fusion device just does it cuz it's super [laughter] cool.
super [laughter] cool. >> Well, this is why if I I'll mention
>> Well, this is why if I I'll mention quickly, this is why I know that there
quickly, this is why I know that there was a lot of investigation into spark
was a lot of investigation into spark gaps many years ago. uh spark gaps that
gaps many years ago. uh spark gaps that would lead to plasma and so on and so
would lead to plasma and so on and so infusion and what have you that was that
infusion and what have you that was that we know um I think Ken shoulders looked
we know um I think Ken shoulders looked into and and that was quietly uh sort of
into and and that was quietly uh sort of hushed to the side. Yeah.
hushed to the side. Yeah. >> Yeah. And that was this is the last
>> Yeah. And that was this is the last thought that I think is just really huge
thought that I think is just really huge is that when I listened to uh David
is that when I listened to uh David Kirkley who's the CEO of Helium Fusion
Kirkley who's the CEO of Helium Fusion >> he mentioned specifically they don't
>> he mentioned specifically they don't need ignition. I mean that I spoke to
need ignition. I mean that I spoke to some of these intelligent you know uh
some of these intelligent you know uh people that are out there and I told
people that are out there and I told them the re part of the reason why a
them the re part of the reason why a neutron is so big is one direct energy
neutron is so big is one direct energy conversion you're converting it directly
conversion you're converting it directly to electricity not to heat and I told
to electricity not to heat and I told them ba high beta value is super big but
them ba high beta value is super big but the other big one is we don't need
the other big one is we don't need ignition to get over unity to get you
ignition to get over unity to get you know Q factor greater than one that is
know Q factor greater than one that is >> but it's nice to be self- sustaining
>> but it's nice to be self- sustaining that is why ignition comes in
that is why ignition comes in >> yes I mean ignition's still great for a
>> yes I mean ignition's still great for a self- sustaining reaction You can
self- sustaining reaction You can produce an electrical engineering system
produce an electrical engineering system that still produces
that still produces >> what they have on these gentlemen.
>> what they have on these gentlemen. >> I
>> I >> I think that's what they have.
>> I think that's what they have. >> You think that's Poseidon's Russians
>> You think that's Poseidon's Russians Russia's thing?
Russia's thing? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Well, think about it like this, Ashton.
>> Well, think about it like this, Ashton. Right. We talked about COP,
Right. We talked about COP, >> the underwater thing that can go one
>> the underwater thing that can go one kilometer down basically sit there for
kilometer down basically sit there for years and then here comes your nice
years and then here comes your nice >> Yep. carrier group and all of a sudden
>> Yep. carrier group and all of a sudden this implosion that just sucks in the
this implosion that just sucks in the whole [ __ ] fleet and you're like,
whole [ __ ] fleet and you're like, >> "Shit, 30 seconds pass. Where the [ __ ]
>> "Shit, 30 seconds pass. Where the [ __ ] did it go?"
did it go?" >> Yeah. Anyway, God forbid. God forbid.
>> Yeah. Anyway, God forbid. God forbid. Anyway,
Anyway, >> one thing I wanted to mention on a more
>> one thing I wanted to mention on a more rudimentary level, Ashton, for you and
rudimentary level, Ashton, for you and your audience, was that if you look, for
your audience, was that if you look, for example, at why COP, coefficient of
example, at why COP, coefficient of performance measurement was ushered out.
performance measurement was ushered out. We know for example that if we look at a
We know for example that if we look at a heat pump, we know that that's still
heat pump, we know that that's still used to measure the heat inside of a
used to measure the heat inside of a heat pump. Now, if we think of the
heat pump. Now, if we think of the quantum vacuum or the ether as having
quantum vacuum or the ether as having all of these magnetic fluctuations, what
all of these magnetic fluctuations, what if our electrical setup treats the
if our electrical setup treats the magnetic fields as heat pumps or
magnetic fields as heat pumps or magnetic heat magnetic pumps, if you
magnetic heat magnetic pumps, if you will. Then maybe
will. Then maybe >> definitely how we should be thinking
>> definitely how we should be thinking about it. I mean,
about it. I mean, >> right,
>> right, >> the and this was this was another this
>> the and this was this was another this is probably the best unlabed Charles
is probably the best unlabed Charles Chase video that's out there. By the
Chase video that's out there. By the way, this guy is a Loheed Martin senior
way, this guy is a Loheed Martin senior fellow engineer that built a compact
fellow engineer that built a compact fusion reactor. His YouTube channel has
fusion reactor. His YouTube channel has less than a thousand subscribers.
less than a thousand subscribers. >> I know I Yeah,
>> I know I Yeah, >> the videos had like 20 views before I
>> the videos had like 20 views before I started watching them and showing them.
started watching them and showing them. But my favorite one's the guy Yorichiro,
But my favorite one's the guy Yorichiro, I forget his last name, but he does two.
I forget his last name, but he does two. One is about like three electrical
One is about like three electrical charges like orbs and how they interact
charges like orbs and how they interact with one another. But the second part is
with one another. But the second part is about breaking the laws of
about breaking the laws of thermodynamics using relativity where
thermodynamics using relativity where he's like if I have something moving
he's like if I have something moving super fast away from another object, you
super fast away from another object, you can actually cause cold to flow to hot
can actually cause cold to flow to hot as opposed to hot to flow to cold, which
as opposed to hot to flow to cold, which would speak to like a negotropic type of
would speak to like a negotropic type of event occur.
event occur. >> There goes the second law.
>> There goes the second law. >> There goes the second law. And that's
>> There goes the second law. And that's what I just thought was beautiful
what I just thought was beautiful because as if you guys have watched my
because as if you guys have watched my streams, one of the things that I've
streams, one of the things that I've been talking about is the nuclearped
been talking about is the nuclearped relativistic free electron laser using
relativistic free electron laser using plasma mirrors basically to amplify
plasma mirrors basically to amplify energy. And this was something those
energy. And this was something those guys worked on. All those nuclear
guys worked on. All those nuclear engineers worked on way back when.
engineers worked on way back when. >> I'll say something if I can very
>> I'll say something if I can very quickly. Whether it's with
quickly. Whether it's with semiconductors or with larger scale
semiconductors or with larger scale systems, in my opinion, it's all about
systems, in my opinion, it's all about the free electrons, not the bounded
the free electrons, not the bounded ones. The free electrons. Yes. Which
ones. The free electrons. Yes. Which speaks to what? A nonneutral Yes.
speaks to what? A nonneutral Yes. >> called plasma,
>> called plasma, >> right? Yes.
>> right? Yes. >> Because they keep on saying, "Oh,
>> Because they keep on saying, "Oh, inconsequential. Nothing to see here."
inconsequential. Nothing to see here." Really? We shall see.
Really? We shall see. >> Right. Right.
>> Right. Right. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Speaking of which, I found I watched a
>> Speaking of which, I found I watched a pretty interesting uh video where a guy
pretty interesting uh video where a guy was making uh it was like plasma
was making uh it was like plasma photonics or something essentially. Um,
photonics or something essentially. Um, I don't know if I'm using that
I don't know if I'm using that terminology right, but what I thought
terminology right, but what I thought was interesting about is that he said
was interesting about is that he said that plas metal could almost be
that plas metal could almost be considered a plasma due to how free the
considered a plasma due to how free the electrons are in a metal. And I just
electrons are in a metal. And I just thought that was interesting because
thought that was interesting because there's a lot of connection between like
there's a lot of connection between like spinning mercury and anti-gravitational
spinning mercury and anti-gravitational effects going all the way back to the
effects going all the way back to the Nazis. And I also like to think about
Nazis. And I also like to think about things like we always think about
things like we always think about everything in the way that we perceive
everything in the way that we perceive the world, right? Like one thing and
the world, right? Like one thing and >> don't forget the Vmanas goes all the way
>> don't forget the Vmanas goes all the way 6,000 years of the apparata. Yeah. The
6,000 years of the apparata. Yeah. The the Ramayana. Yeah.
the Ramayana. Yeah. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> Yeah. So, we think about it in the way
>> Yeah. So, we think about it in the way we perceive the world, but it's like
we perceive the world, but it's like what is really the difference between a
what is really the difference between a plasma and a metal, right? Like we think
plasma and a metal, right? Like we think of two completely different things, but
of two completely different things, but if you really boil it down to the
if you really boil it down to the electrons,
electrons, >> what's you can say that it doesn't
>> what's you can say that it doesn't really have a crystal latice. The other
really have a crystal latice. The other one does. But
one does. But >> what's to say that one is can be m
>> what's to say that one is can be m anyway, I'll leave.
anyway, I'll leave. >> Yep. I know where you're going. Yep.
>> Yep. I know where you're going. Yep. >> I better shut up. I keep on, you know, I
>> I better shut up. I keep on, you know, I walk a very fine line on that EQ.
walk a very fine line on that EQ. Anyway,
Anyway, >> yeah. Well, we've seen what's happened
>> yeah. Well, we've seen what's happened with the JSON. So, S, don't get yourself
with the JSON. So, S, don't get yourself in trouble. Neither of you actually
in trouble. Neither of you actually >> guys, we've gone over a two hours has
>> guys, we've gone over a two hours has been a great conversation. Um, let's I
been a great conversation. Um, let's I just want to like give you guys each a
just want to like give you guys each a couple minutes to just either plug
couple minutes to just either plug anything that you want to or maybe tell
anything that you want to or maybe tell us about either an interesting video or
us about either an interesting video or scientific paper, anything that you've
scientific paper, anything that you've been watching recently. Go
been watching recently. Go >> ahead. You go first, brother Rossi,
>> ahead. You go first, brother Rossi, please.
please. >> Oh jeez. Okay. Well, um, well, first
>> Oh jeez. Okay. Well, um, well, first off, thank you, Ashton, for for having
off, thank you, Ashton, for for having me as always. It's a it's a pleasure to
me as always. It's a it's a pleasure to be here, and I was super excited when,
be here, and I was super excited when, of course, Brother S was able to make
of course, Brother S was able to make it. And, uh, uh, Brother S, I got to if
it. And, uh, uh, Brother S, I got to if I I will say I got to have obviously my
I I will say I got to have obviously my show is not as big as Ashton's, but, I
show is not as big as Ashton's, but, I got to have you on my show at some
got to have you on my show at some point, but, uh, and then bring and then
point, but, uh, and then bring and then bring Ashton back, too. Um, but I just
bring Ashton back, too. Um, but I just want to say just, you know, keep what
want to say just, you know, keep what you're keep up what you're doing with
you're keep up what you're doing with the science. I've been checking the
the science. I've been checking the comments in the live stream. A lot of
comments in the live stream. A lot of people seem to be putting the pieces
people seem to be putting the pieces together. Um I just the only thing I
together. Um I just the only thing I would emphasize to people is because I
would emphasize to people is because I know this subject tends to get so
know this subject tends to get so exciting and then we all get
exciting and then we all get scatterbrain because we get so excited
scatterbrain because we get so excited about all these different ideas. My
about all these different ideas. My humble advice to be uh would be for
humble advice to be uh would be for people in the in the chat or in general
people in the in the chat or in general just pick on pick one or two projects
just pick on pick one or two projects and focus focus focus and never neglect
and focus focus focus and never neglect never neglect simplicity. Um and yeah
never neglect simplicity. Um and yeah just look at just look at old electrical
just look at just look at old electrical engineering approaches and and try and
engineering approaches and and try and take a different perspective on uh
take a different perspective on uh things that for example I'll I'll give
things that for example I'll I'll give direct terms uh things like uh uh
direct terms uh things like uh uh displacement current or parasitic
displacement current or parasitic capacitance consider that maybe it's not
capacitance consider that maybe it's not that's not what it is and that that I'll
that's not what it is and that that I'll leave it there. Thank you,
leave it there. Thank you, >> brother Rossy. Man, you what can I say?
>> brother Rossy. Man, you what can I say? You're a man. Dr. Rossy, Dr. Forbes, let
You're a man. Dr. Rossy, Dr. Forbes, let me just say, Ashton, I'm incredibly
me just say, Ashton, I'm incredibly proud of you, brother. I for real. I
proud of you, brother. I for real. I mean,
mean, and that's why between you and I, this
and that's why between you and I, this uh professor [ __ ] whatever [ __ ]
uh professor [ __ ] whatever [ __ ] you know, I forget his name. Anyway,
you know, I forget his name. Anyway, that [ __ ] he should go to [ __ ]
that [ __ ] he should go to [ __ ] hell and stay there. But anyway, listen,
hell and stay there. But anyway, listen, you have become formidable from every
you have become formidable from every point of view. You have become
point of view. You have become formidable. This idea of blending
formidable. This idea of blending politics with physics and I think you
politics with physics and I think you also have every now and then you you
also have every now and then you you inject your your own philosophy into it.
inject your your own philosophy into it. So politics, physics, philosophy again,
So politics, physics, philosophy again, the triarchy. I think this is going to
the triarchy. I think this is going to make your part not only great but
make your part not only great but unique. uniqueness. Ashton, this is what
unique. uniqueness. Ashton, this is what you have in hard truths podcast also all
you have in hard truths podcast also all your parts. You have, first of all, you
your parts. You have, first of all, you have this formidable quality of being
have this formidable quality of being able to make things simple.
able to make things simple. >> Because I'll tell you right off the bat,
>> Because I'll tell you right off the bat, I wish there were [ __ ] Nobel Prize
I wish there were [ __ ] Nobel Prize physicists that could make something
physicists that could make something simple instead of [ __ ] taking half an
simple instead of [ __ ] taking half an hour to say something that you have to
hour to say something that you have to say in just two minutes
say in just two minutes >> and make it make sense. So, bravo, my
>> and make it make sense. So, bravo, my brother. Bravo.
brother. Bravo. >> You have a cheap pregnant, so that's all
>> You have a cheap pregnant, so that's all I got to say. Yeah. Well, I appreciate
I got to say. Yeah. Well, I appreciate it, guys. And make sure you guys are
it, guys. And make sure you guys are following these guys. My true opinion
following these guys. My true opinion for you guys and for all the audience as
for you guys and for all the audience as well is actually that I've gotten more
well is actually that I've gotten more and more blackpilled actually by a lot
and more blackpilled actually by a lot of this stuff. Like it's actually to the
of this stuff. Like it's actually to the point where and we spoke about a lot of
point where and we spoke about a lot of these topics, but like I look at it and
these topics, but like I look at it and I go, man,
I go, man, >> we are a primitive civilization. We are
>> we are a primitive civilization. We are not even close to ready for what's
not even close to ready for what's coming, you know? And I think that the
coming, you know? And I think that the people, the gatekeepers are aware of
people, the gatekeepers are aware of that. They're aware of that and they're
that. They're aware of that and they're like, man, we don't know if we're going
like, man, we don't know if we're going to make it through this, right? But
to make it through this, right? But we're going to roll these dice anyway.
we're going to roll these dice anyway. So,
So, >> between you and I, brother,
>> between you and I, brother, >> I hope I pray we have Armadas out there,
>> I hope I pray we have Armadas out there, intergalactic,
intergalactic, whatever, between you and I. I pray for
whatever, between you and I. I pray for that
that >> because right now we're dealing with
>> because right now we're dealing with kinder, maybe even pre kindergarten
kinder, maybe even pre kindergarten physics.
physics. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> but everybody's acting like
>> but everybody's acting like >> I'm the best. Anyway,
>> I'm the best. Anyway, >> sorry,
>> sorry, >> you go ahead [clears throat] and Sorry,
>> you go ahead [clears throat] and Sorry, I I won't interrupt anymore. I promise
I I won't interrupt anymore. I promise at least for now. [laughter]
at least for now. [laughter] >> Okay, well that's all guys. Thank you
>> Okay, well that's all guys. Thank you guys very much. This has been an amazing
guys very much. This has been an amazing hard truth podcast, guys. Thank you so
hard truth podcast, guys. Thank you so much. US Navy Engineer Salvador Pais uh
much. US Navy Engineer Salvador Pais uh DoD defense contractor uh or I don't
DoD defense contractor uh or I don't know if you're necessarily defense cont.
know if you're necessarily defense cont. We'll just call you engineer contractor
We'll just call you engineer contractor Dave Rossi. You guys are the best. Thank
Dave Rossi. You guys are the best. Thank you guys so much for uh being on here
you guys so much for uh being on here tonight, guys. Uh have a great day.
tonight, guys. Uh have a great day. Appreciate you guys. I'm just going to
Appreciate you guys. I'm just going to do a quick shout out here to all the
do a quick shout out here to all the donations. Troy, wow, with these huge
donations. Troy, wow, with these huge donations. I saw them. Thank you very
donations. I saw them. Thank you very much, sir, for this huge donation.
much, sir, for this huge donation. Appreciate it so much, Tracy Scott.
Appreciate it so much, Tracy Scott. >> Speaks to your greatness, brother.
>> Speaks to your greatness, brother. Speaks to your greatness.
Speaks to your greatness. >> Thank you, Tracy Scott. And thank you,
>> Thank you, Tracy Scott. And thank you, Zaparoo, for all those donations, guys.
Zaparoo, for all those donations, guys. Oh, and CFS. Thank you guys for that. We
Oh, and CFS. Thank you guys for that. We love it. Uh, guys, we'll try to do this
love it. Uh, guys, we'll try to do this again. I know you guys enjoyed it. I
again. I know you guys enjoyed it. I hope you guys got something out of this.
hope you guys got something out of this. I know that I enjoyed it. So,
I know that I enjoyed it. So, >> maybe maybe just a thought, maybe a
>> maybe maybe just a thought, maybe a Christmas special or something.
Christmas special or something. >> One day, brothers, we got to get
>> One day, brothers, we got to get together. We got to do this in a real
together. We got to do this in a real studio. Maybe one day, Brother Ash, I
studio. Maybe one day, Brother Ash, I foresee him being better, not better,
foresee him being better, not better, bigger than Rogan one day.
bigger than Rogan one day. >> And when he does, he's going to have his
>> And when he does, he's going to have his studio and it's going to be Forbes
studio and it's going to be Forbes everywhere. And you know, you should
everywhere. And you know, you should have this demon like with horns and
have this demon like with horns and stuff, you know, demon. [laughter]
stuff, you know, demon. [laughter] >> By the way, that guy's a nut case.
>> By the way, that guy's a nut case. Anyway, I I'll just leave it there. I'll
Anyway, I I'll just leave it there. I'll just leave it there.
just leave it there. >> You guys have a great day. Later, guys.
>> You guys have a great day. Later, guys. Take care,
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