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so this week um and really last week um

we're discussing a number of figures

that are really essential to the

the

hero's journey and

one of them is the figure of the

monsters that the hero has to

confront and

fight and conquer

conquer

um and these are

you know just really important parts of

all of the hero's journey stories

um i'm going to ask each one of you at

some point or other during the next um

period of time however long we're on this

this

zoom for

to give me an example of a monster and a

so all because i want to hear i want to

learn you know and you could go to your

tv shows or favorite movies or um

you know what however

wherever monsters come up in um

in the stories that you've paid

attention to so you don't have to think

about classical mythology or you know

stories from myth myths from around the

world but some story that you

like or enjoy or connect with or um um

um [Music]

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are are interested in

the character of the monster in that

story now chances are pretty good i

guess that i won't know what the heck

you're talking about so you'll you'll

have to explain to me what this monster

is like and you know how it how it

functions in the movie or the comic or

the book or the or the or the story or whatever

whatever

and so you'll be

telling me a little bit about

about some of those characters i'll tell

you i'll start off and and start going

through a little bit of a powerpoint

slide here about some of the

in some of the mythologies from around

the world

i think it's probably worth um

um [Music]

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well a couple things are probably worth

discussing and talking about

and um one is that we haven't really we

didn't really talk too much about the

figure of um the the um

the guide

and the guide is a person who once the

threshold has been crossed in the heroic

journey a guide won't show up if in your

living room you have to have left your

your

your bubble of normality

by crossing the threshold by departing

by setting off into the unknown

and once you do that one of the things

that you

discover that the the stories

communicate through symbolism as a gift

um and

those could be you know any kind of

magical object or or talisman or whatever

whatever

but the hero will also um

encounter a guide this is common all

over the world

and guide figures are

fascinating and um

very interesting um

i think that for me

those i kind of

i don't want to say fell in love with

the guide figures but they were just

really really important to me in my own

life story the people that i came across

whether through books or in person or or

whatever i mean i can think of a couple

that are really meaningful to me that

helped guide me through

some of the questions i was having some

of the issues i was having some of the

difficulties that i was experiencing

um they didn't make those difficulties

any less difficult they didn't solve the

problem the guide figure is not there to

to you know put a band-aid on your booboo

booboo

um the guide figure is there to tell you

what it all means

and i have been really blessed outside

of my family to have

encountered a couple really important significant

significant figures

figures

i would say two

two

men and one woman

um all older

older um

and all

brought a kind of perspective and wisdom

that for me was really transformative in those

those

difficult times

and the guide also is there to subliminally

subliminally

remind people that you're never alone

involves loneliness

it involves isolation it involves [Music]

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feeling overwhelmed

but the guide figure is is there to

remind you that feeling loneliness does

anybody on the journey

will never be all truly alone they may

feel like it but

but it will never be um

true not to be a reality

uh the guides are always there and

they're always there to help us through

the difficulty into the third and final

stage the third and final stage is what

we'll be talking about

after this thanksgiving week and for the

rest of the term and that's the

resolution of the hero's journey

the hero returns

from the place

that he has um departed

departed

and this is a really really central and

important point in the archetypal

full mature hero story that the hero

doesn't depart and cross the threshold

and leave and then never come back

the hero always comes back with a with

his experiences or her knowledge or her

wisdom or

her her life

and uses that to help

her family and her society and her

culture she brings back what the myths

call boons

or gifts or blessings

uh to the community um

while the hero or heroine may be alone

or or or

feel lonely on the journey

the resolution of the hero story is

always profoundly social and profoundly relational

relational that

that what

what

we do and what we accomplish isn't

ultimately for us it's ultimately for others

others and

and

i just think that that's

an incredibly important point and we'll

be talking about it you know like i said

for the rest of the semester

um the the primary characteristics of

what the hero or heroine brings back are

justice and compassion

that's what he or she finds

in themselves that they can then bring

back to their families and communities

so that's the architecture of the story

um but along the way the hero has to

fight monsters and so i've um

um [Music]

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i don't know just sort of sort of taken

a little uh

scatter shot of some of the more

uh famous or or influential monsters um

that i could find in um

mostly in western history i turned um a

lot to this document called the malleus

malaficarum which is a ham called the

a a

manual or guide book for how to how to

tell a witch and all the different

shapes and forms that the demonic um

medieval european imagination could

could come up with um

and i've found some other stories as well

well

in um lecture i uh

show this video it's 10 minutes long but

you can find you can find your own top

10 scariest

top 10 scariest monsters or whatever um

but one of the first ones um and this is

very common actually and not necessarily

only in medieval european lore

um but

around the world is is this monster

called the incubus

and um

the incubus gets his name from the latin

word incubare which means to lie on top of

portrayed as or imagined as a

a male demon who um

lays on top of women

primarily women

as they sleep

there are a number of stories about

incubi so incubi would be the plural

in the malleus maleficarum um

um so

for example

um there's a story

about two

uh girls named agnes and anna

and um they live

in i think switzerland or germany and

there was a huge violent thunderstorm

that came up and it destroyed crops and

orchards and vineyards and the

townspeople suspected that there was

and

the inquisitors focused on especially on

two women one um agnes and the other was

named anna and they were put in separate

prisons and they were questioned and

initially they each said that they were

innocent but after a little bit of

torture this

this is one of the things that

many of the world is so wack so crazy

about not even really medieval but the

idea that if you torture someone they'll

finally tell you the truth i mean

when i mean we know now that if you

torture someone they'll tell you whatever

whatever

whatever you want them to say to stop

the torture

but back then they believe that torture

was a way of getting to the truth and so

you know if you ask someone if they're a

witch and they're like no and then you

like stick their thumb and some thumb

screws and

you know start mashing their thumbs

they'll eventually go yeah i'm a witch

just take that thing off me

um so after a little bit of torture

agnes confessed that she had

caused the

hail storm and um also that for 18 years

she's been

regularly visited by an incubus demon

who would who would come visit her at

night and on the day of the thunderstorm

the demon had told her to go to a place

outside of town and

when she did he was there and told her

to dig a little hole in the ground and

she did and he told her to put some

water in that hole and she did

and then he told her to stick her finger

in there and swirl it around and she did

and when she did that the water in the

hole flew up into the sky and

turned into this thunderstorm that then

crashed around and destroyed the orchard

and the vineyards and everything else

and um [Music]

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and then they

they

turned to the other girl anna and um

tortured her and she also said that she

had been similarly

similarly

visited by this incubus demon who

who

did the same thing to her and

both of those women were

burned alive as witches

um the idea is that these

these

these demons um

um attack

attack

and there's a lot of sex a lot of sexual

imagery sexuality um either

either subliminally

subliminally

alluded to or

explicitly talked about

um that attack

young females

and this isn't again just necessarily a

european story these

examples of this sort of thing can be found

found

um all over the world of these um

of these incubus demons so i i found

three that are that are similar and um

one of them is a

is from chile from south america this

legend of this character called the tralco

tralco

and the troco is um he lives uh

in the woods and forests outside of the

outside of the city lives in deep caves

and he carries a small

hatchet with a stone head

head

and he pounds it on trees to

symbolize his sexual potency

and young girls and middle-aged women

are powerfully drawn to him

and if he chooses one as a sexual

partner they will

go to him even if they are asleep

and have sexual intercourse with him

and he's

thought to be irresistible to women that

he he calls out and

when um a single girl or an unmarried

woman in these communities in chile traditional

traditional pre-christian

pre-christian

communities in rural chile when they

become pregnant

and no man steps forward

to claim it as his own

um everybody in the town assumes that

the trouco did it

so this is a really interesting

wrinkle i guess if a girl becomes

pregnant and no man claims paternity

the village says okay she must have gone

out and slept with the trout because you

can even do it when you're asleep you

don't necessarily even have to become do

it intentionally so

the child was begotten by the tralco

and the woman is not to blame it's not

her fault because the choco everybody

agrees is irresistible and nothing she

could have done about it so the

community doesn't blame her

and i that's just really awesome really

wonderful that a girl

can become pregnant if the dad is not

going to be there the community doesn't

doesn't doesn't blame her for it and so

what what she does need to do is get

married and so they'll find her

somebody to marry her and then the

situation will be over

so that's an interesting story from the

tropko that in africa there's a

character called the popobawa

and um he's a shapeshifter he only

started being um

you know this this particular monster

only really started coming around in the 1970s

1970s

late 60s and 70s

and um

he was widely thought this is in um south

south

mid to southeast africa

on the along the coast and

and

he would rape men women children

anything uh he was a an incubus demon

but he was

a voracious sexual appetite

there were these outbursts in tanzania

these these panic outbursts where the

where pablo was

thought to be emerged and people would

just freak out and panic and there'd be

just horrible terrible you know community

community

paralysis and fear of this

of this

popobawa demon in fact people and all

this is

people would

sleep together outside around a campfire um

huddled together so that they could

communally you know guard against this visitation

visitation

the local

legend was that a

a a

somebody had summoned a genie

and jin if you don't know if you think

of genie and you think of aladdin or

some like nice sort of figure um genes are

are

jin is what not j um

in arabic in the english languages

referred to as gin

not genie but jin

jin are very dangerous monsters demonic

type characters or they can be so the

idea is that somebody summoned a gin to um

help him get revenge on somebody else

and then lost control of the gin and the

gin then had wreaked his sexual um uh

aggressiveness on on the community as a whole

whole

and there have been outbreaks uh ever

since and

i have reference here to an outbreak of

um panic over this character popobawa

and as recently as 10 years ago

um so this is still something that you know

know

people are are worried about um

the the third one is uh from ireland and

it's uh gone and

and gone

gone

is similar to trauco and

in some ways he's a small being

kind of like a leprechaun but he seduces

young women in rural areas

girls who are kind of out in the country

by themselves

if you can find them alone around

empty lakesides or campfires or forest

glands and he would appear and he would

take on the shimmering form of that

which the woman finds most sexually

desirable so the hunkiest

most beautiful male that she could have

she's like walking by herself you know

by a river or whatever and all sudden

it's perfect

you know beautiful male shows up

and um

if she doesn't do anything she can get

away but if she touches him that's over

it's like an immediate

permanent addiction if she touches him

one time she becomes permanently

addicted to them

and basically becomes the sex slave and

does anything he wants

um he will eventually get bored and disappear

disappear

but the girl will stay addicted to him and

and

she will um

not be able to get over it and she'll

spend the rest of her life crying for

her lost love

and she'll become so pathetic really

that her community will eventually

um lose interest in her and uh

she herself will eventually stop eating

and drinking and she'll just waste away

and die

that's the after effect of

this shimmering hunky male that

loves her and leaves her um

um so

so throughout

throughout the

the world's

world's musicians

musicians

um there are these

examples of male

male

monsters that are often associated with

sex or sexuality

and again they're found found all over

the world

um and they can be and are genuinely

scary for the people who who believe

these stories

um you know the popobawa for example and zanzibar

zanzibar um

you know that's not a that's not a joke

for the people when they start

thinking that he's coming around the

the demons

demons

the sex demons have a female form too

and that's called the succubus

and uh succubi are also in the malleus maleficarum

maleficarum um

and they're they're the counterpart of

the incubus sort of

and they don't necessarily rape men

men

these female demons but they they seduce them

them

and you know when you read the malius

maleficaro i mean it's such an interesting

interesting

bizarre text but

but um

they would be blamed for if a man can no

longer um

get an erection

if a man has lost his ability to get an erection

erection

they blame a succubus demon who

you know

caused the lack of his his virility um

so it's kind of a way that men have of

blaming something outside themselves for

their own impotence or

failure in that regard um

in the in the malleous malaficarum you

know so the guy would go to a priest or

whatever and he would say like i don't

know what's going on here and

but one of the things the priest was

supposed to ask him like oh so you can't

have sex with your wife and the guy

would be like no and he would say well

can you have sex with other women and

the guy be like oh yeah that's fine and

but just not the wife and if you just

step back and think about that thought

process it sort of assumes that men are

just generally sleeping around and that

women are too actually there's

tons of sex going on outside of marriage

like oh you can't have sex with your

rightful what's it like with you know

your your

people you're having affairs with oh i

can have sex with them ah

so this demon is coming after your marriage

marriage um

there seems to be a sense in the

malleus maleficarum that if you have sex

with a succubus demon once that's

probably not that big of a deal but if

you have repeated interaction with these

succubi demons they can they can sap you

of your mental health and physical

health and remove your ability to have

erections and things like that um

there's another story from the malius maleficaram

maleficaram

of a guy who in his home

starts pretending like he's having sex

but the wife doesn't there's nobody there

there

he's just

going through the body images of it

and his wife's like crying out like stop

stop stop and and it says that uh you

i don't know mine after he's mimed

copulation two or three times he roars out

out

we're gonna do this all over again and

then he just keeps repeating it over and

over until he finally just collapses

from exhaustion

you can imagine yourself in somebody's

living room in medieval europe and the

guys there just doing that and the woman

is like what the hell is wrong with you

and he's like we're gonna do it again

and then he collapses from exhaustion

and then um

when he wakes up he's like i have no

idea i don't remember that at all well

in such cases there might be a succubus

demon involved that's the learned

opinion of the

uh you know

erudite doctors of the malleus maleficara

maleficara so

you know sometimes they

say that succubus demons you know uh

lay with men

to collect their steam and then they use

the scene and witchcraft and things like that

that um

um amare

amare

uh and that's where we get the word

nightmare is a a type of

a succubus demon they're not always

mares aren't um

they're found throughout all throughout

northern europe and they're not always

sexual although

some sometimes they are but sometimes

they're not um

um this

this

image of a

a succubus demon uh

laying on a man's chest

that has actually very interestingly and

i think convincingly been explained by um

by sleep paralysis

or um

there are certain kinds of things that

happen in nor in

normal uh

sleep cycles of some people where

they're awake but they can't move

and it's it's not uncommon i don't know

if anybody you know

here has experienced it i haven't

but i have that students have it's not

like it's some kind of random thing

there are um

sometimes people experience a thing

where they're awake but they can't move

in the medieval

lore and that was explained as a demon

was on you

um so we have actually a really nice

kind of scientific explanation for that

one but the but the but it doesn't

remove the

terror of the experience um

so that's a amara um

a type of succubus demon

um there are stories of succubus demons

and um there's a swedish king who

married this finnish

princess and then he went away on an

adventure and he said he was going to

come back after three years but he

forgot about her and

stayed away

and the princess that he had left behind

got really mad at him and she

teamed up

with a witch named holda

and they conjured a a succubus demon to

go get him and um one night when he was

laying down to sleep

he cried out that he was being attacked

by a by amara and people came in and

they grabbed a hold of his head but he

said she was crushing his legs and they

took a hold of his legs but then she

crushed his head and she killed him

so that's a

story that was told pretty widely

actually sweden finland northern europe

about the revenge of this succubus demon

and then lilith is a jewish succubus demon

demon um

um and

and

i always wanted to tell you guys this

story and i never

i never i never did um

i will uh i also want to say that

characters like um like cersei or medea

or witches the sirens

these these these characters in

mythology that seduce and lure men to

their dooms

are all one form or another of these

succubus demons um

but the story i want to tell it's only lilith

lilith

was notorious in um as a kind of a jewish

jewish

uh succubus demon and the story is you

guys probably know the story of adam and

eve in the garden of eden according to

the bible

but i mean if you don't

um god made this perfect

place called the garden of eden and he

made adam and he made eve

as a

a companion

but there was an alternative story this

story is not in the bible but it was

told it had been told for a long time

and the alternative story is that god made

made

a perfect place and he made adam and he

made a wife for adam but the first wife

of adam was named lilith and

and

lilith was

the first woman

got into an argument one day and the

argument had to do with sex

and specifically it had to do with who

got to be on top

both adam and lilith wanted to be on top

during sex um

and adam went to god and said this woman

you made

uh she won't do what i want her to i

want to be on top when i'm having sex

with her and she won't let me she wants

to be on top so can you please do

something about this rebellious

woman and

god said okay and so um he created eve

and eve was then adam's

really second wife and eve was very

dutiful and did everything he said and

you know was obedient and

and and served adam and all of those

other things

um and the stories say that lilith then

was expelled from the garden and she

went to wander the earth the haunts of

the earth

and um you know take manifestation in

the siren song and seduces men and like

a black widow you know eats them after she's

she's

sexually destroyed then

and is associated with all kinds of

witchcraft and evilness throughout the

medieval period of time

um people said that lilith was the one

responsible for childbirth

kids who

were born or died in childbirth that was

lilith's responsibility she's she kills babies

babies

um and all kinds of of things like that

and i was telling this story to one of

my classes a long time ago [Music]

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ten years ago probably

and um it was in placerville and it was

kind of one of the start of the class i

didn't really know any of the students

all that well um

but i was telling this telling the story

of lilith

and and i said that

in some versions of the legend lilith

actually becomes the bride of satan that

um lover

and a hand shot up in the back of the

room like just shot straight up and i

said oh i like questions so i said oh do

you have a question and the student said

yeah does that mean that satan let her

be on top

i just started laughing so hard i was

like hilarious to me

and i said

i i don't know but i can tell you what i

do know is i'm gonna know you for a long time

time

i i've never interacted with this kid

before but i said in that first interaction

interaction

i said i don't know the answer to your

question but i do know that i want to

hear more

and that was how i met sam

that was how i met the

did our zoom sessions with me for the

first whatever six seven eight weeks of

the course and then had to stop because

he became a papa and uh was figuring out

how to you know how to raise a kid

as i said former foster youth marine vet

one of the most brightest and interesting

interesting

people that that i've ever met but he

wanted to know if satan let her be on

top and i said well that's just outside

my pay grade but it's a pretty funny

question actually um

so these stories the incubus and the

succubus these are monsters and

scary monsters really and they

arise out of our sexual sexual nature

our sexual

sexual parts of our identity go very

very deep um

um and

and

can become damaged in in in ways that is

very very difficult to

to emerge

emerge

out of um

and so all around the world we a lot of

the myths that we have

that have to do with monsters connect in

one way or another to

our sex our sexual lives our sexual experiences

experiences um

um and

that

is not something that's really changed

right i mean we don't maybe have the

monsters anymore but we still have

people who've been

really deeply

wounded and hurt by

their experiences

through sexuality

the myths just you know when it comes to

these types of monsters the myths just

give those a name they objectify them

they say oh that's an incubus that's a

succubus that's a demon

and there's something healthy

healthy

about objectifying not just having it

kind of be like some psychological

phenomenon or post-traumatic stress disorder

disorder

or whatever some kind of diffused

psychological explanation but to

actually say that's a demon

and i'm gonna fight that son of a [ __ ]

and i'm gonna conquer it

that it's not beyond our control to

overcome that conquer it beat the [ __ ]

down and get on with

the story um

and and in the myths and um and legends

the hero does the monsters should get

conquered they don't own us they may

feel like they do like

they evoke in us terror and fear and

those motions are real um but in the

hero's journey

there is something within us that is

stronger than the monsters period

that's a really good thing to know um

i'm gonna i i asked in

the paper this week we'll have this

people will watch this presentation and

then i'll ask them to write a paper on

monsters that either you yourself or

other people that you know are dealing with

with

um and those can be difficult for some

people they don't have their monsters

aren't that big of a deal they come from

a nice healthy home and

and things are pretty good all the way

around mostly other people have even

even at a young age are dealing with

very difficult situations

um and i've asked

for the paper for this week that you

write those up if not for yourself you

don't have to write about your own

situation but but you can write about

somebody that you know and the monsters

they're dealing with

um but in either scenario whether you're

talking about your own monsters or the

monsters that people you know are

dealing with um

that battle

between you and the monster whether the

monster is anxiety or depression or

substance abuse alcohol abuse

broken relationships broken trust um

existential fear whatever the case may be

whatever those monsters are

the hero defeats them

they do not defeat the hero

it's really really important to remember that

that

there is the story continues once the

monster has been beaten down um

defeating the monster doesn't actually

just end the story

the the defeat of the monster doesn't

mean the story is there's a happily ever

after immediately the story goes on but

the hero has deepened

deepened

him or herself in a way that is profound

and powerful

that that none of these experiences or

monsters define us we define them and

always have and always will

and the guides are the one who

continually remind the hero of that point

point

nobody is ever ultimately a victim

one can be a victim of a certain situation

situation

but one can never be a victim in their

full humanity of their entire

lives um that's powerful and it's very

very strong and very important and it's

something i hope that everybody remembers

remembers

from this class the best story um i think

think

of the sort of resolution

or what i want to remind you my favorite

is the book find your final book report

for this class is a book called joseph

in the way of forgiveness

and it's a story about a heroic journey

about joseph who is an arrogant um

um brat

brat and

and

he's so arrogant that people just can't

stand him his brothers can't stand him

and they throw him down into the bottom

of the well and he's there for like

three days i think and

that is very scary where joseph goes is

very very scary the bottom of the well

can't see can't move can't hear

total isolation

and his brothers in fact argue about

whether they should kill him or

just walk away and let him die or what

and they eventually sell him into

slavery and he becomes a slave and

continues on his story and down in that

in egypt in the house of the pharaoh um

um joseph

joseph confronts

confronts

the monster of his own selfishness

of his own arrogance of his own ego of

his own i know it all i have it all

figured out i can do it all by myself

that's not us that's a major monster

that's a really really major monster our

own selfishness is huge

huge

and what i love so much about this book

is it

beautifully describes who joseph becomes

once he's conquered that monster

he becomes effortlessly compassionate

effortlessly just effortlessly kind

effortlessly patient and

and

completely non-judgmental about the

struggles of others if you've conquered

your own monsters

monsters

you you you immediately gain sympathy

for other people who are struggling

you don't look at someone who's

struggling with

i mean if you're

if you're

addicted to drugs or alcohol

and you conquer that monster

you don't then look at other people who

are addicted to drugs and alcohol and go

oh you weak awful person because you

know how hard it is

so you can't be judgmental to them

because you understand what they're

going through and you want to help compassion

compassion

is the emotion that gets evoked from that

um i want to hear some

monster stories um

from you guys and then

um i'll tell you some other ones i'll

skip forward a little bit but uh these

also were monsters in the middle ages

they're called blemise and there are

headless men

and they're they they were thought just

kind of weird like if you saw one you

would be tripped out they're not nearly

as sort of

existentially scary as some of those

demons or whatever but they were thought

to be like basically people with their

heads in their middle of their torsos

and um

you know there's all kinds of legends in

the middle ages about these

creatures and they always seem to live

just over the next hill you go over the

next one like oh yeah yeah they're there

but they're just just over the next hill

but you know they never end up actually

showing up there was a really

interesting bit of speculation that the

the

origin of the blemish myth came from

orangutans because orangutans have their

heads down really really low they're

basically they look like human beings

but they often hold their heads like to

where it almost looks like they're kind

of in the middle of their chests so

people sort of speculated if that is the

origin of this blemish headless you know man

man

myth might have started from

descriptions of these orangutans that

live in java indonesia around there

but i want to hear about some of the

monsters that that you guys have

you know that have appeared in stories

that you've

paid attention to

um jack what about you did you were you

able to think of any um

um so i was thinking about the uh

one of the monsters from the aragon

books um

which i don't know how to pronounce the

name of it because it's a

fairly long

weird looking word um

but where they're kind of like a

huge bat

like dragon sized bat vampire type of thing

thing

which i found to be really interesting

just because that's

not like any other monster that you

generally would hear about

do they suck people's blood or do they

kill people or whatever they do

so i haven't read the aragon books in a

few years

so i

don't really remember but um

i think that they worked for the evil

king in that book or something like that yeah

yeah

do you remember if they're knocked they

fly around at night or are they daytime

uh nocturnal i believe

it's weird how a lot of these monster

stories have to do with nighttime huh yeah

yeah

nighttime is when we can't see and so

the unknown comes

you know comes very close to us

and our fears emerge

emerge

um they fly around too that

that's something that people are really

scared of is

if something can fly at you

um you won't be able to see it coming or

really do anything about it

um but yeah dragons and vampires those are

are

those are scary monsters

monsters

um emily did you think of any monsters

from any of the stories that you you

thought of

um yes uh

well first when we were when you were

talking about um

succubus i thought of the movie

jennifer's body

which is like

a funny

dark horror film

from the early 2000s about a teenage

girl who like

like gets

gets

some sort of curse put on her and she

has to sleep with everyone to

gain power and stuff it's

oh yeah that's that's totally a succubus

story isn't it

yeah it's

uh i think it's a cult classic worth

checking out yeah jennifer's body

yeah uh

but then the monster i thought of um can

i ask you really quickly how the story

ends i'm now i'm kind of curious i'm like

what happens um

well it's kind of it's also a story

about friendship in a way and uh

one of the

the more shy girl ends up in a mental institution

institution

after the whole thing

um because she

kills someone

in relation to jennifer

jennifer

being a succubus

yeah yeah yeah right okay yeah it's um

by the same director that did juno if

that intro oh juno is one of my all-time

favorites no i'm gonna have to watch

that movie now yeah because i do know i

was not expecting when i turned when i

turned juno on i didn't really know what

i was getting into and by the end of

that i was like that is just one of the

best movies i've ever seen

uh if it's by the same person

it's quite different but it's got um

it's similar but it's quite different

that guy has such an incredible

gift for humor and storytelling and

compat like compassion

yeah i agree

all right

the monster i thought of though

was from lost the smoke monster and

and

while that's pretty untraditional in

terms of storytelling

i think it's pretty intriguing because this

this

not to give away lost if no one's

watched it but the smoke monster used to

be a person

and just like his deepest desire is to

leave the island and

and

he just wreaks havoc trying to get his

deepest desire fulfilled and

and

how uh

that can be such a metaphor for

can you yeah explain that connection

that's really interesting so how so the monster

monster

is lonely or

just wants to get away get out

basically

the smoke monster and his brother

represent like

good and bad

and they're in a constant battle over

the state of humanity and eventually

the smoke monster brother

is like

i don't care i just want to leave like

this game is so dumb

i just want to get off this island and

live my life yeah

yeah and

and um

but then in the process of trying to like

fulfill his own desires

he causes so much destruction i mean

right off the bat in the first season

you don't even know what this thing is

and it just

literally rips apart bodies out of nowhere

nowhere

and then disappears

i think that when

like how you were talking about how

monsters don't have to be actual

things they can be um

our ego our arrow our arrogance selfishness

selfishness um

even addiction and all of that i think that

that

um that's how

that's kind of how the smoke monster to

me is it's like

he just rules by his ego instead of

the state of humanity and what can be

done about that

and in the process just ruins the lives

of countless others in his path right

yeah and just kind of like sucks all

these other people in

and literally takes over other people's

bodies and like just does crazy

crazy

crazy things

that is a really powerful metaphor i

think for

for society that

that

people that

you know

are unsatisfied or are um

deeply discontent

just caused so many problems for those

around them you know they're using them

they're hurting them they're

and they just like almost stop caring

about the fact of the of the the

damage that their words and their

actions cause

yeah exactly and even like on their most

benign level they're still just or we

still when we're in that sort of pain

just lash out and hurt people's feelings

you know like

even if we're not causing actual

destruction we're still like

yeah and so

you're right i think to emphasize both

aspects or at least what i heard

one is when you look out in society you

see many people like this

they they use others they manipulate

they control they

they use them for sexual purposes or

economic purposes or for pride or status

or whatever they just

and they're men or women but they they

they they feed off of

they hurt other people

almost unintentionally driven out of

their own negative

negative

spaces um

but you're also right to point out that

when we behave like that like that's not

just the other guy

like we do that too right i

when i'm

discontent or unhappy or angry or

frustrated i take it out on

you know the poor

kid working at the starbucks or whatever

you know what i mean if anybody's in

customer service you get people like

this all the time but yeah and they may

be a decent person they may not but but

we just

forget that our own pain

when we just freely give voice to it and

act like we're justified can hurt others

also you can ruin someone if you had a

bad day because you have a really a real

problem like the smoke monster is really

in your face you know because

you know your mom your mom married one

or something like that

and and and and that's a really

difficult thing for you

and then you turn around and you're mean

to someone else out of your own anger

frustration or loss you can ruin their

day too and they didn't have anything to

do with it yeah

yeah

and it can be just as simple as

you know like

just being grumpy it doesn't even have

to be so

so big

big

yep absolutely

oh that's so good what a great what a

great example

and yeah like i said i really like to

think about this in two ways one is by

the people who are really really damaged

like the archetypal smoke monsters

walking among us that are just

causes a lot of hurt and problems in the world

world um

and then those moments when we are

manifesting some of those same qualities

hero conquers it first in himself

and then

he goes and smacks down the smoke monster

monster

or she he

she goes and smacks down once

you have to conquer in yourself first

right you can't you can't fight the

enemy out there if the enemy if you

still if you haven't done the work in

here but

that's why the hero's journey can only

be walked by an individual um

when they return then they they can

bless their communities

so good dylan what kind of monsters i

asked you weren't here but i asked

everybody to think of a monster could

you think of a monster

from your own stories or tv or movies or

yeah so i actually like when um

goodness words are hard right now um

when you guys were talking about things

uh i kind of thought about the various

versions of like black dogs that we see

pretty much all over the globe um

and in england a lot of times they're

called like bar guests and they're grims

and shucks and all sorts of stuff and

basically they're like omens of death

either you literally get killed by them

in the middle of the night because they

like to prowl certain roads usually or

if you see them you know somebody you

know and love is going to die or that

you know a plague's going to fall upon

your village or whatever but i thought

what was most interesting about that

besides the fact that they're kind of

this like nighttime anxiety personified

you know this fear in humans of the dark

and uh what might be lurking beyond the

shadows literally and whatnot what i

found interesting was that there's this

idea of a church grim

in like kind of the more english

countries where

instead of these black dogs being

uh more or less evil we've learned to

kind of harness them to protect

graveyards and the dead and whatnot and so

i'm not sure where i don't recall off

the top of my head but there are places

where they actually used to like bury

dogs amongst the dead that way these

these black dogs would come back and

protect them from grave robbers and um

witches which is interesting

yeah and so i think it's interesting

that um if we're going off this kind of like

metaphor of monsters and whatnot

there are monsters that we are really

scared of and then there's monsters that

while still scary we can kind of work

with them and have them help us yep

uh that's a fascinating example to me um [Music]

[Music]

i mean

i don't have a kid

yet i might maybe but

but

i have a dog and unfortunately for that

dog i think i take out all my parental

fatherly love on

that animal

and there are very few things in this

world i love more than i love my dog i i just

just

that animal is just my heart um

and so

dogs are like just this incredibly beautiful

beautiful

companion and it's just so

amazing i mean if you're suffering from

anxiety or depression or whatever and

you have a dog the dog

is like

just heals so much so much of the time um

and that's one side of it too the other

side of it as i was out walking i've

been walking a lot lately i was out

walking a couple weeks ago

and a dog

dog

came running up at me and unfortunately

there was a dance dogs

right that's really yeah that's really

scary it can be yeah yeah it can be

so dogs have this this double thing too

on the one hand when they're on our team

they're like the best things in the

world but if you walk into their room

they they can they can really genuinely scare

scare

definitely and i think especially um

dogs you know

now our fear of dogs uh

i think might be a little bit less than

back then because they're even more so

domesticated now but back then they

might have been a little less tamed

tamed

yeah you know so closer to wolves they

went running around all scarier yeah

yeah right dogs are semi-feral all the

time anyways right so

they absolutely did not have the same

kind of

and they weren't poodles either

yeah these were half wolves anyways

so yeah so back

relationship i think human communities um

well that's a

that's a really interesting one and i

love this idea of burying the dog so the

spirit dogs could guard against witches

and all that stuff too yeah that's interesting

interesting

awesome allison did you have a monster

if you're talking now you're on yes

sorry um

this is popular mythology in the

philippines it's called um the aswang

so basically they like shift

shape shifters and they basically like

like during the day they're like regular

towns people but they're usually the cry

and shy people who keep themselves out

of like society and everything but at

night they transform into like animals

and they usually eat small children

usually the hearts and like the livers

and they usually eat like unborn fetuses

so basically it describes like the

miscarriages yeah it usually explains

yeah yeah um

and usually they

saying what what are they called again

yeah a-s-w-a-n-g

okay and usually they're victims they

usually replace them with doppelgangers

so people wouldn't people won't know that

that

yeah so it's an interesting

monster to me i guess yeah

yeah

so the monster

kills people but replaces them with an

exact replica

yeah but it's mostly like children and

do people in the philippines really

believe that or is it just kind of like

more like a ghost story or is it kind of

somewhere in between

i don't really know

but i guess

yeah it's an interesting one yeah

yeah

you know the funny thing about these

stories is you don't have to just

totally believe them or totally

disbelieve them a lot of people are kind

of like somewhere in the middle like i

mostly don't believe that that's

probably mostly totally

made up

but then like maybe you know it's

possible to be in a gray area about how

you believe about some of these things um

that's so fascinating that they um

um [Music]

[Music]

they're like the quiet shy people yeah

they stay by themselves but at night

they turn into these

into these

spirits and they attack the community oh

cool danielle did you have a monster story

story

yeah i was just trying to think about like

pop culture and monsters and how they're

influenced by mythology yeah and so i

was thinking about the video game skyrim

and the monster the main monster in

there which is a dragon named alduin

and they also call him the world eater

so basically like it said that he

destroyed the previous world to create

the current one that you play in

yeah now he wants to come back and

completely destroy everything

yeah it's basically the idea um

do you

have you when you play the game do you

i for some reason i can't maybe i lost a

connection or something with you

danielle um

go ahead and pipe back in if you

if you get back on do either do any of

the rest of the students here know about

the skyrim monster

no um

although i remember is he's called the

world eater but it's been a long time

since i played skyrim so i don't remember

remember

yeah what exactly

you have to fight this

monster and defeat him in order to save

the world right i mean i think that's

yeah yeah that's like the main idea [Music]

[Music] but

but

it's i would be curious to know in the

game play

if you just have to get strong enough to

physically defeat him if that's um

how you do it by just

you know

getting all of the right

physical attributes and the gear

um that you can just physically just

you know beat him that way or if you

have to like trick him or if there's

some kind of like

um strategy that you have to learn

how to

refer to the vm

so what i was kind of asking um

danielle was was whether that

final boss if if you did after maybe you

don't even have to fight him i mean i

don't even know but if you did have to

find him

how you go about finally beating him

so yeah from what i remember and like i

said it's been a hot minute but um you

do actually have to fight him um he's a dragon like a lot of the other

um he's a dragon like a lot of the other enemies in the games and and um

enemies in the games and and um throughout the game you're basically

throughout the game you're basically picking up parts of this like ancient

picking up parts of this like ancient dragon language that helps you learn

dragon language that helps you learn magics to help defeat them and i'm so

magics to help defeat them and i'm so sorry if i'm like butchering the idea of

sorry if i'm like butchering the idea of these games

these games but um you kind of have to

but um you kind of have to understand

understand his

his language in a way to get to him yeah as

language in a way to get to him yeah as well as just like getting more powerful

well as just like getting more powerful you also get helped out by another

you also get helped out by another dragon at some point i think you have

dragon at some point i think you have the choice to do that but um there is a

the choice to do that but um there is a like friendly dragon that kind of helps

like friendly dragon that kind of helps mentor you along the way died

mentor you along the way died yeah

yeah the

the guide for you

guide for you um

um learning the language of the dragon you

learning the language of the dragon you know that's a that's a fantastic

know that's a that's a fantastic metaphor for dealing with these monsters

metaphor for dealing with these monsters um and especially the real ones

um and especially the real ones especially the

especially the the ones that

the ones that you know all of the these ones that

you know all of the these ones that we're talking about these are the

we're talking about these are the external mythological manifestations of

external mythological manifestations of the monster

the monster in

in archetype

archetype but the there's also

but the there's also psycho psychologically we read these

psycho psychologically we read these stories as

stories as having

having to do with our own inner

to do with our own inner monsters our own inner demons

monsters our own inner demons and and those can be all all manner of

and and those can be all all manner of of things

of things um

um we've gone we've gone down the list

we've gone we've gone down the list before

before um but learning the language of the

um but learning the language of the monster so for example my friend sam

monster so for example my friend sam you know iraq

you know iraq [ __ ] him up

[ __ ] him up and i don't

and i don't curse often in classes but when i do i

curse often in classes but when i do i mean

mean those words are functioned for me in

those words are functioned for me in important ways iraq [ __ ] him up and it

important ways iraq [ __ ] him up and it it did for all of our combat beds

it did for all of our combat beds going to war is hard

going to war is hard real hard

real hard and it doesn't go away when you get home

and it doesn't go away when you get home and healing from

and healing from combat

combat not physical healing not that not your

not physical healing not that not your body human but your mind healing

body human but your mind healing is a monster

is a monster and

and learning the language of ptsd learning

learning the language of ptsd learning what it is and how it affects people and

what it is and how it affects people and and and learning how to understand those

and and learning how to understand those kinds of traumas

can be a key to conquering them

maybe not always or completely or whatever but it's very

completely or whatever but it's very helpful

helpful to be able to identify your own

to be able to identify your own monsters and

monsters and and learn about them

and learn about them so that you can eventually control them

so that you can eventually control them rather than the other way around

rather than the other way around and he's doing a lot better you know and

and he's doing a lot better you know and iraq was it's been 10 15 years now it's

iraq was it's been 10 15 years now it's been a long time so there is healing

been a long time so there is healing [Music]

[Music] it's real and you do get better and you

it's real and you do get better and you time does go on and you do heal

time does go on and you do heal having guides and people to explain the

having guides and people to explain the language of the monster

language of the monster is really helpful in actually finally

is really helpful in actually finally knocking that son of a [ __ ] all the way

knocking that son of a [ __ ] all the way down

down which does happen also the monster is

which does happen also the monster is there to be for you to defeat whatever

there to be for you to defeat whatever it is

it is and you can do it

and you can do it whatever it is

whatever it is people have done it

people have done it we're not we're not the only people who

we're not we're not the only people who walk this path you're not the first

walk this path you're not the first person or the only person who will ever

person or the only person who will ever fight these monsters

fight these monsters we have elders who have gone before and

we have elders who have gone before and have done it and they'll teach us

maybe i'll play skyrim but now if i play skyrim i just need to learn to land now

skyrim i just need to learn to land now i know that i need to learn the language

i know that i need to learn the language of that dragon kick its ass so i'll

of that dragon kick its ass so i'll probably do that because it feels good

probably do that because it feels good to kick the monsters but

so in general questions or actually i'll tell you a few more i'll tell you a few

tell you a few more i'll tell you a few more monster stories and then we'll just

more monster stories and then we'll just have some general questions or comments

have some general questions or comments or not and then they'll do that

or not and then they'll do that um werewolves are

um werewolves are are a big one

are a big one um

um these are mostly middle ages

these are mostly middle ages the stories in the ancient classical

the stories in the ancient classical world are of

world are of the earliest one i know of the story of

the earliest one i know of the story of zeus there was this guy named lykeon

zeus there was this guy named lykeon and uh he was

and uh he was wealthy and

wealthy and powerful and had i think 50 children and

powerful and had i think 50 children and lived on the top of a mountain

lived on the top of a mountain and zeus came by and

and zeus came by and zeus

zeus they're having dinner one night like

they're having dinner one night like zeus and this guy and his family

zeus and this guy and his family and

and [Music]

[Music] zeus brag and everything

zeus brag and everything and like young was kind of like oh i'm

and like young was kind of like oh i'm gonna test him out and so like killed

gonna test him out and so like killed one of his kids

one of his kids and mixed the

and mixed the human flesh into a stew

human flesh into a stew um and then gave it to zeus you know

um and then gave it to zeus you know to see if you really did know everything

to see if you really did know everything and zeus knew that what he had done and

and zeus knew that what he had done and he got really mad and a bolt of

he got really mad and a bolt of lightning came down and it collapsed the

lightning came down and it collapsed the house and it killed like all of his

house and it killed like all of his family and those who were able to

family and those who were able to actually escape before the house

actually escape before the house collapsed ran away and they turned into

collapsed ran away and they turned into wolves

wolves and they've been

and they've been bulls ever since

bulls ever since so it's a story of

so it's a story of zeus turning human beings into wolves

zeus turning human beings into wolves but they stayed wolves they didn't they

but they stayed wolves they didn't they didn't shape-shift back and forth

didn't shape-shift back and forth um

um the idea of shape-shifting becoming a

the idea of shape-shifting becoming a wolf during the full moon and then

wolf during the full moon and then returning to your human form this is

returning to your human form this is kind of a similar story to the one

kind of a similar story to the one allison was talking about it from the

allison was talking about it from the philippines about this kind of

philippines about this kind of liminality shape-shifting liminality

liminality shape-shifting liminality where you're you're one thing and then

where you're you're one thing and then you're another you're kind of in between

you're another you're kind of in between you don't fit into a category

you don't fit into a category um

um that's a similar kind of monster to i

that's a similar kind of monster to i think the

think the one allison was talking about so there's

one allison was talking about so there's werewolves there's um

werewolves there's um blemishes the headless men

kind of cephalic kind of kephalei are the dog heads and

kind of kephalei are the dog heads and you find these all throughout

you find these all throughout european mythology and folklore

european mythology and folklore people with a torso arms and legs of a

people with a torso arms and legs of a human being with the head of a dog

human being with the head of a dog and again these are like the blemier

and again these are like the blemier they're like oh yeah they existed so

they're like oh yeah they existed so just over the next village i heard

just over the next village i heard there's some when you go to the next

there's some when you go to the next village and like yeah yeah they totally

village and like yeah yeah they totally exist it's just a little bit farther

exist it's just a little bit farther down the road you keep going and it's

down the road you keep going and it's just they they're never around but

just they they're never around but everybody believed that they were around

everybody believed that they were around they did live somewhere these dog-headed

they did live somewhere these dog-headed people

people there's a really funny

there's a really funny to me it's a really funny story about

to me it's a really funny story about saint christopher

saint christopher saint christopher

um [Music]

[Music] in the eastern orthodox christian

in the eastern orthodox christian tradition this is how he's portrayed

tradition this is how he's portrayed he's portrayed with a dog's head and you

he's portrayed with a dog's head and you sort of ask like how did that happen

sort of ask like how did that happen and

and because in the stories about saint

because in the stories about saint christopher it says that he's a

christopher it says that he's a canaanite

canaanite kanan is the name for

kanan is the name for palestine ancient palestine so

palestine ancient palestine so there was a guy named christopher and he

there was a guy named christopher and he was from canaan

was from canaan it was christopher the canaanite and he

it was christopher the canaanite and he did whatever just

did whatever just did things

did things but as the story got told and retold

but as the story got told and retold that word kanan

that word kanan is very close to the greek word uh

is very close to the greek word uh kunon

kunon which means dog kunan in in

which means dog kunan in in in greek is a dog so simon or

in greek is a dog so simon or christopher the canaanite

christopher the canaanite started being interpreted as christopher

started being interpreted as christopher the

the [ __ ] night

and people like well what was christopher the dog because they didn't

christopher the dog because they didn't understand what ancient canaan was they

understand what ancient canaan was they didn't know they it's one of these

didn't know they it's one of these things where as a myth gets told and

things where as a myth gets told and retold it changes because people don't

retold it changes because people don't understand the original context

understand the original context so later on in the telling him that

so later on in the telling him that people came to believe that this saint

people came to believe that this saint christopher actually had a dog head and

christopher actually had a dog head and he's a he's a saint you know they

he's a he's a saint you know they worshipped him was really you know as a

worshipped him was really you know as a wonderful you know

wonderful you know archetype of christian charity and

archetype of christian charity and humility and all that other stuff

humility and all that other stuff there's these characters too the skypods

there's these characters too the skypods um they have only one foot and they hop

um they have only one foot and they hop around on one foot and then at night

around on one foot and then at night time they lay on their back and they put

time they lay on their back and they put their foot up and it's like an umbrella

their foot up and it's like an umbrella and it keeps the rain off of them

and it keeps the rain off of them so

the greek word there

into the word for mushroom for like mushroom people

for like mushroom people um

um and there's some thought that it may

and there's some thought that it may connect to these energetic mushrooms in

connect to these energetic mushrooms in india there's

india there's you know the mythology of the

you know the mythology of the of the mushrooms became the mushroom

of the mushrooms became the mushroom people that can move around and jump

people that can move around and jump around and then at night they

around and then at night they put their foot up over their head like

put their foot up over their head like almost like a mushroom stuff

almost like a mushroom stuff um

um and then one one last one that's really

and then one one last one that's really an interesting one

an interesting one and

and i think this is a great

i think this is a great topic because it puts us in in a point

topic because it puts us in in a point of view of not knowing

of view of not knowing we we our science and technology

we we our science and technology have

have explained almost everything to us right

explained almost everything to us right i mean we know so much now um we're not

i mean we know so much now um we're not um

um over

over overwhelmed with

overwhelmed with with mystery

with mystery as our

as our you know

but this question about aliens the question of do aliens exist or not

the question of do aliens exist or not is whatever it's an interesting question

is whatever it's an interesting question but a much more interesting question is

but a much more interesting question is what are they to us

what are they to us are they monsters

are they monsters are they are they gonna attack us

are they are they gonna attack us are they gonna you know

are they gonna you know take us up in the middle of the night

take us up in the middle of the night and and do an anal probe on us

and and do an anal probe on us i mean they start sounding like almost

i mean they start sounding like almost like sucky fire or incubi in a way the

like sucky fire or incubi in a way the way that we tell these stories about

way that we tell these stories about about these aliens or are they guides

about these aliens or are they guides are they

are they figures to help us

figures to help us learn and understand

learn and understand now of course we don't know the answer

now of course we don't know the answer to that question but that's what makes

to that question but that's what makes the question so interesting and so

the question so interesting and so relevant when it comes to thinking about

relevant when it comes to thinking about um these topics is we actually don't

um these topics is we actually don't know just like our ancestors didn't know

know just like our ancestors didn't know that dog-headed people didn't actually

that dog-headed people didn't actually exist we know that they didn't and they

exist we know that they didn't and they had to wonder about it well we also have

had to wonder about it well we also have to wonder about what what's up with the

to wonder about what what's up with the aliens if they do exist if they do

aliens if they do exist if they do are they like succubus demons or incubus

are they like succubus demons or incubus demons or are they like

we don't know um

um so

so i think that's a uh

i think that's a uh an interesting

an interesting concept or topic to think about

concept or topic to think about let me also say that i've never been

let me also say that i've never been much of a science fiction fan um not

much of a science fiction fan um not that i didn't like it i just never

that i didn't like it i just never really read it

really read it but i am a big george rr martin fan and

but i am a big george rr martin fan and i i loved the game of thrones and was

i i loved the game of thrones and was just as

just as you know wholeheartedly absorbed in it

you know wholeheartedly absorbed in it as anybody was as that story was

as anybody was as that story was unfolding

unfolding and just recently i decided to buy a

and just recently i decided to buy a book of george rr martin's early

book of george rr martin's early uh works called um dream songs

uh works called um dream songs and it's a collection of a whole bunch

and it's a collection of a whole bunch of his early writings i mean like a

of his early writings i mean like a large collection of his early writings

large collection of his early writings and a lot of it's science fiction

and a lot of it's science fiction and boy oh boy if you liked

and boy oh boy if you liked lord of the r or uh

lord of the r or uh if you like the game of thrones or if

if you like the game of thrones or if you've read any george rr martin and

you've read any george rr martin and enjoyed it

enjoyed it that guy is

that guy is amazing

amazing totally totally amazing like it's

totally totally amazing like it's science fiction but it's

science fiction but it's it's just fascinating he just has to be

it's just fascinating he just has to be one of the most hippest pillars

one of the most hippest pillars and myth makers we have

and myth makers we have i mean it's almost like

i mean it's almost like i'm starting to think that he's the

i'm starting to think that he's the greatest living author period

greatest living author period um and i don't i kind of starting to

um and i don't i kind of starting to think like there's no kind of maybe

think like there's no kind of maybe nobody even really close i mean

nobody even really close i mean everybody's got their own feeling on

everybody's got their own feeling on that but i would say that if you're

that but i would say that if you're interested in in science fiction or

interested in in science fiction or fantasy

fantasy or just

or just almost even mythology the type of

almost even mythology the type of stories he tells are very like feel like

stories he tells are very like feel like myths

myths um

um this book dream songs i would i would

this book dream songs i would i would highly highly recommend it is

highly highly recommend it is just hours and hours and hours of

just hours and hours and hours of fascinating those stories

fascinating those stories um

um so that's my plug i'm gonna

so that's my plug i'm gonna plug dream songs by george r martin

plug dream songs by george r martin uh you don't have to read that for the

uh you don't have to read that for the class of course you do have to read

class of course you do have to read stephen mitchell's

stephen mitchell's uh joseph in the way of forgiveness your

uh joseph in the way of forgiveness your book report on that will be due in three

book report on that will be due in three weeks so

weeks so it won't take you three weeks to read it

it won't take you three weeks to read it uh it goes by pretty quick but it's it's

uh it goes by pretty quick but it's it's a it's a it's a class favorite um most

a it's a it's a class favorite um most of my students really really enjoy it i

of my students really really enjoy it i hope you will too

hope you will too i know that talking about monsters and

i know that talking about monsters and difficulties can be difficult because

difficulties can be difficult because there are students going through

there are students going through genuinely difficult situations

genuinely difficult situations it can be

it can be challenging to

challenging to face up to this topic

face up to this topic and it should be that's that's how we

and it should be that's that's how we know we're doing it right um

know we're doing it right um but

but there is

there is the next act

the next act the story doesn't end there and that's

the story doesn't end there and that's what makes

what makes this

this heroic journey so incredibly

heroic journey so incredibly psychologically healthy and healing and

psychologically healthy and healing and good is it

good is it leads us into what it's like to conquer

leads us into what it's like to conquer those damn sons of [ __ ] monsters and to

those damn sons of [ __ ] monsters and to move into

move into a different version of yourself that no

a different version of yourself that no longer has to deal with them

longer has to deal with them and it is possible

and it is possible it has been done that's a good thing to

it has been done that's a good thing to know

know so we'll just um

so we'll just um take any any last questions or comments

take any any last questions or comments from any of you guys about any of this

from any of you guys about any of this jack emily dylan allison

jack emily dylan allison i don't know if danielle was able to

i don't know if danielle was able to make it back or not

make it back or not yes she was so do any of you guys have

yes she was so do any of you guys have any

any anything to add or say or ask

anything to add or say or ask i have just a comment regarding monsters

i have just a comment regarding monsters or guides about aliens

or guides about aliens um

um have you watched the show on hbo called

have you watched the show on hbo called lovecraft country

lovecraft country no

no but i've heard about it i've heard it's

but i've heard about it i've heard it's really good is it good

really good is it good it is um

it is um it is good i found it a little scary but

it is good i found it a little scary but uh

uh that's because i'm ultra sensitive

that's because i'm ultra sensitive um

um but it's really good

but it's really good and they have um

and they have um there's a scene

there's a scene in

in that show

that show that

that tackles that question are aliens

tackles that question are aliens monsters or guides

monsters or guides does it come down on with an opinion

does it come down on with an opinion um

um i think so yes okay but you're gonna

i think so yes okay but you're gonna keep it good yeah i'll probably watch it

keep it good yeah i'll probably watch it so and and i know and

so and and i know and i can only say what i've i've heard but

i can only say what i've i've heard but i've heard really good things about it

i've heard really good things about it but it's really good

but it's really good yeah

yeah i just get scared easily so i know i

i just get scared easily so i know i kind of do too

um he's a whole science fiction writer too

he's a whole science fiction writer too hp lovecraft so

hp lovecraft so yeah famous sci-fi

yeah famous sci-fi storyteller super good good

storyteller super good good jack dylan allison danielle ethan

uh all i have to say is that like with many of your lectures i feel like it's

many of your lectures i feel like it's not the lecture we expected but it's the

not the lecture we expected but it's the one we needed

like i feel like you managed to put in so many uplifting lessons these lectures

so many uplifting lessons these lectures and i'm like man i can tackle anything

and i'm like man i can tackle anything now so

well this one is this is such i just love this class i

this is such i just love this class i mean as a whole it's just such a fun

mean as a whole it's just such a fun class to think about and prepare for and

class to think about and prepare for and talk about and i'm still kind of just

talk about and i'm still kind of just learning how to teach it so i

learning how to teach it so i there's there's lots of things i feel

there's there's lots of things i feel like i always feel like there's lots of

like i always feel like there's lots of things i could do better

things i could do better um

um but um

but i i i appreciate that and i'm sensitive to the fact that

i'm sensitive to the fact that um

um you know

you know that it's important to emphasize that

that it's important to emphasize that that it's this is just one stage

that it's this is just one stage and there are guides and

and there are guides and gifts that help us right that it that

gifts that help us right that it that we're not we're not alone

we're not we're not alone and

and um

um there's kind of a

there's kind of a i don't know you know almost like a

i don't know you know almost like a spiritual universe that that is designed

spiritual universe that that is designed to get us through

to get us through you know

you know the monsters are never ends of

the monsters are never ends of themselves they're always just obstacles

themselves they're always just obstacles in our way to where we want to be

in our way to where we want to be so thank you

jack allison danielle anything from y'all uh i just wanted to say that i

y'all uh i just wanted to say that i really enjoyed the lecture and wanted to

really enjoyed the lecture and wanted to apologize for my horrible internet

apologize for my horrible internet kicking me out like five times yeah

kicking me out like five times yeah yeah i'm sorry that i'm you don't need

yeah i'm sorry that i'm you don't need to apologize for it but i'm sorry that

to apologize for it but i'm sorry that it kicked you out too

it kicked you out too you can go back and watch it if you want

you can go back and watch it if you want to or not if you don't but

to or not if you don't but but it happens you know sometimes

but it happens you know sometimes internet kicks out

internet kicks out just kind of move on

just kind of move on i definitely agree with what dylan had

i definitely agree with what dylan had said

said of not like not quite being what i had

of not like not quite being what i had expected for this lecture but i really

expected for this lecture but i really enjoyed it

good it wasn't what i expected either

it wasn't what i expected either i never really know

i never really know what to expect i just started talking

what to expect i just started talking and then just whatever some words come

and then just whatever some words come out and

out and that's what they are

thank you very much thank you thank you everybody okay very good yeah also as a

everybody okay very good yeah also as a side note i don't think that the

side note i don't think that the module for this week was ever

module for this week was ever uploaded on the thing just just adds up

uploaded on the thing just just adds up yep i'll do that right now as soon as

yep i'll do that right now as soon as soon as i get off with you you're

soon as i get off with you you're probably right i probably just didn't

probably right i probably just didn't publish it

publish it um yeah in fact i don't remember

um yeah in fact i don't remember publishing so i'm sure you're right so

publishing so i'm sure you're right so that'll be done

that'll be done very soon

all right y'all thank you all very much i'm going to go ahead and uh stop the

i'm going to go ahead and uh stop the record here

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