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Okay. Well, welcome everybody. It's good
to have you for this uh last session for
rapid reviews for BPS exams where we
cover a lot of the core disease states.
We've got some additional disease states
to cover and then we will end with everybody's
everybody's
favorite subject that you just,
you know, get super excited about and
drool over and everything else. That's
your evidence-based medicine,
bioatistics, and clinical literature
evaluation. We will be uh probably
finishing up some of the disease state
stuff a little bit early and we may even
start the EBM uh because it's just a
little bit longer than the traditional
hour. Uh but I want to make sure we get
that rapid review, hit the high points.
Uh so hope everybody's got your your cup
of coffee,
okay? coffee
um with you and your pen paper. But
really what we want this to be is really
sit back and you should be just sort of
absorb it. Should be really just kind of
going through the core concept should be
ringing a bell. Should make sense to
you. Um it is not meant to be primary
teaching. So I just wanted to make sure
to establish those ground rules here. Um
the idea is that you've already gone
through some of this. Oh, but we have
some good news to share, but not until
the end. And it's specifically for you.
I think you'll be very happy and excited
about some of the news that I got to
share, but it is just for you. All
right. Anybody know Nacho Libre? I hope
I I hope that I'm not the only one who's
old. Uh, but Nacho Libre is like one up
there with um Napoleon Dynamite that,
you know, you got to put on the bucket
list. Okay. So, uh Jack Black
um showing off his uh masculinity there.
All right. So, to come.
Hopefully, at this point in the review
process, you are not psychotic.
You are. We can treat acute agitation.
So, hopefully you're not angry,
aggressive, hostile like Busty. Just get
started, will you? Right. No. Uh but we
all have seen this in clinical practice
and where people with some psychiatric
illness for some reason or drug induced
um you know have an exacerbation usually
due to non-compliance. There are
different scales uh that you can use to
help assess those. You don't need to
memorize what the scale is. Um just
being familiar with the RAS and the SAS.
Um you can try to counsel people down,
redirect them. Most of the time that
doesn't work, at least in my experience,
because I'm seeing them these folks on
the other side when police or law
enforcement bring them in or EMS brings
them in and they're under, you know, uh,
restraints or they're requiring four or
five guards to hold them down. Uh, but
if you can, try to place them separate
to the public. try to put them in a
quiet space, especially if they are
having hallucinations,
uh whether that's visual or auditory,
and try to do your best to redirect them
because really where you're headed is am
I going to have to physically or
chemically restrain this patient, right?
So physical restraints can be twopoint
or fourpoint. There's a lot of rules
because obviously you're basically
overriding someone's ability and and
holding them down. uh you have to many
times it's wise to have a second health
care provider weigh in and have an
agreement that for the safety of the
patients own care but also for the
safety of the staff and the environment
that you need to do that. So once you
get to that point if that doesn't work
you may be finding yourself having to
use chemical restraints. The use of the
chemical restraint will be dependent on
what is the underlying problem. So if
it's underlying psychiatric you can use
some of the antiscychotics like
aloperidol or immediate release or
injectable not long acting alanzipene
and zyprazadone those kind of agents. If
you got someone who's just mildly
agitated sometimes but again most of my
experience says that you won't get that
to happen. They will take oral agents
which can include both oral lanzipene or aapiprazole.
aapiprazole.
uh if you have sympathomimedic mediated
uh aggression of cocaine, amphetamines
and these other things, you don't want
to give antisycotics because they can
lower the seizure threshold and that's
where benzoazipines become the preferred
if you have no IV access and for the
rapid absorption mazzelam uh is your
primary if you want quick onset but
Adavan if you want somewhat of a delayed
onset but it'll last longer. So IM tends
to be something that we uh use. Now
moving on to attention deficit
hyperactivity disorder. Remember these
patients can present with two different
types or degrees. Some are more
hyperactive, some are more of uh
inattention. Um and so that's why you
see predominantly inattentive,
predominantly hyperactive. Um many times
these kids and there is even adult
versions, they're just have a hard time
paying attention. they get easily
distracted. Uh they can't follow through
and complete tasks. And a lot of this
stuff comes up usually in school. So
they need six or more symptoms um to be
present for at least six months. And we
need to get information from at least
two settings, usually home and school.
And so that needs to be documentation
from both a parent plus teacher or the
clinician um as part of this diagnosis
so that we don't just label everybody
because we're going towards a controlled
substance. So, we know with most
psychiatric illnesses and and psychiatry
that cognitive cognitive behavioral
therapies plus drug therapy tend to work
best versus just throwing drugs at them.
And then there's the two main classes,
stimulants, non-stimulants. Dr. Boland,
I think you have something here for us
that you want to also add. Yeah, just a
quick addition uh to remind you or if
you weren't aware uh listexetamine or by
vans uh can also be used for binge
eating disorder. Um so that's kind of
one of the unique things that you may
see uh you know in a case or something
like that. They may be trying to lead
you down that path.
>> Yeah. And if you a lot of people have
migrated toward the non-stimulants
because of the controlled substance
issues and it's just it is a pain in the
rear end to have to get refills and you
know work with a pharmacy and have a
certain number of supply and not being
able to get it refilled on a particular
I mean it's a it's a big hassle for the
providers as well. So we have
adamoxitine we also have long acting uh
uh clonedine which we know is an
anti-hypertensive alpha 2 agonist and
guanosine and unique formulations for
that particular disorder. All right. So
now if your anxiety hasn't been ramped
up a little bit, we're going to uh talk
about anxiety disorder. Uh these result
in both cognitive as well as
psychosocial uh manifest in physical
symptoms. And a lot of times what I see
are patients presenting to like the
department with most commonly chest pain
or feeling the sensation that their
airway is closing up when in reality uh
anatomically nothing is happening. Uh
but it doesn't matter in their mind it
is happening. Okay. And so a lot of
times just allowing the patient to
express what their concern is and not
dismissing their feelings um helps them
to reduce their anxiety, but then
pointing to objective information to
help them to kind of calm down because
they're usually have gotten themselves
so worked up that they just need
somebody to talk sense into them and
many times they come in to make sure
nothing is going on. So cognitive from a
preventative standpoint, you've got
cognitive behavioral therapy just like
with ADHD. Okay? I don't think we should
forget about that, which is why it's re
uh printed here. But then
anti-depressants. Um, and if you're
going to use anti-depressants, it is
typically starting off at a low dose
with slower titrations because many of
them, specifically the SSRIs or agents
that have uh mixed um serotonin and
norepinephrine activity, um, like
venaxine and such. They're good
medicines for prevention, but if you
start them at too high, too rapidly, you
can exacerbate
uh, their condition. And I've seen that
over and over and over again in real
world practice. And then lastly, there's
boost um as well. Dr. Boland, I think
you had something to for this one.
>> Yeah, I just wanted everybody to kind of
notice that benzoazipines are not here.
They're not on this list. So, they
should be used
>> Excellent point.
>> Uh sparingly uh and for the right
reasons, for the right length of time.
So, it should never be long term. Uh
that's not an effective way to manage
it. Um and then also you know definitely
start low but realize that you may end
up on even higher doses than uh or you
may see even higher doses uh than for
depression u and you may need to give
the patient more time. So you know you
might need 10 to 12 weeks uh to see full
benefit for um for this. So
>> key is just titrate it slow because you
you you got it that's why it takes
longer. And to Dr. Bolan's point, uh,
when somebody does come in with an acute
exacerbation, bzzodazzipines get them
under that control quicker. None of
these are going to do that, uh, for
acute management. And sometimes we
patients will be discharged with one or
two pills simply to just buy them a
little bit of transition um, in case it
does exacerbate um, or using even um,
medications like hydroxazine, which just
basically sedate the patient a little
bit during that transition. But
absolutely you don't see benzo on there
for chronic. We really need to avoid
doing that. So the panic disorder is
sort of the more extreme version and
very quick rapid uh onset of these
changes that results in a change of
behavior. Um they also uh result in um
usually uh tacocardia diaphoresis. The
chest pain is more magnified. So that
really at this point um if they've gone
beyond their 20 minutes, which is when
most panic dis attacks kind of start to
calm down. Uh if they gone beyond that
and they're still pretty anxious and
having these symptoms, then
benzoazipines are probably the only
thing they're going to get there. If the
patient were to be pregnant, which then
benzoazipines are contraindicated, then
you should think about hydroxazine in
that situation. And then of course
chronic preventative therapies, same
things. uh just with uh uh general
anxiety disorder, obsessivecompulsive
disorder, there's two parts. There's the
obsession piece where you have these
thoughts and these urges that are really
technically unwanted. They don't desire
to have them, but it results in some
significant psychological distress. And
then it results in the compulsion piece,
which is now their behavior is being
modified to react to the obsessions that
they're having. And so what ends up
ultimately happening is that they have a
problem, you know, showing up to work or
finishing an activity because they get
distracted or delayed because of the
comp uh compulsive nature of their
responding to the obsession itself. Um
and sometimes it's so excessive that it
could actually start to cause them
physical harm. So for example, washing
their hands, their their their skin can
literally start to develop a dermatitis
and start to you know crack. So just
like with other psychiatric illnesses,
cognitive behavioral therapy and just
like with major depressive disorder and
just like with general anxiety disorder
and prevention, uh SSRIs are still the
drug of choice um as much as possible.
Um TCAs or other uh drugs that have
mixed TCA uh norepinephrine serotonin
effects um are also helpful. And then um
I don't think Booone is actually
supposed to be there. I'm sorry about that.
that.
uh moving on to bipolar disorder. So if
you think and break down the word
bipolar is two sides. Okay. And whereas
unipolar is usually just mania or
depression. With bipolar disorder you
have m you have both. You have manic or
hypomomanic episodes mixed with
depressive episodes and they cycle up
and down. The frequency of the cycling
seems to influence it. also the degree
of uh mania. So hypomomania patients can
still be functional whereas manic
patients can tend to have psychotic you
know this is where that you've heard the
stories of people you know thinking
they're some you know god or they're
running down the street naked or they're
you know giving birth to Jesus and all
these like weird like bizarre things but
it in reality for them that is real um
so we do need to be sensitive to that um
and we need to look at in their history
how frequent do they cycle So in the acute
acute
uh especially most commonly we see them
in the manic episode many times you're
treating them just like you would acute
agitation right antisycchotics
plus or minus benzo or if there's a drug
induced maniac manic episode then
benzoazipene by itself from the
preventative side then you start moving
to mood stabilizers and so you have the
traditional agents like lithium balproic
acid carbomasopene which are still very
appropriate for many patients. But now
you obviously and they've been around
for a while are the antisycchotics which
also have those indications as well. Um
so just keep that in mind um in the
background there a little bit. Um moving
on to major depressive disorder. So this
would be the unipolar depression. So in
a history you don't have any episodes
where the patient is cycling and they
have hypomomania or mania. uh many times
they have some manifestation. So they
have to have five of the major
depressive features for a period of
time, right? So it can't just be like,
oh, today I don't feel well, so we're
going to give you a diagnosis of
depression or I slept in because I just
don't feel like it, you know, getting
up. That doesn't mean that the patient
is depressed. And and that's why you
have to look for a pattern and it needs
to remain in present for a period of
time and it's usually affecting their
mood and their withdrawing from things.
So think about food. It could be
increasing the eating um because it
gives you uh pleasure. Uh but it could
also be the removal of food or sleep.
It's the same thing. Insomnia or
sleeping too much. Uh people not showing
up to events and participating in things
that they would otherwise normally um
you know uh be a part of. So anti-depressants
anti-depressants
um this class has grown u still I would
say largely especially from a cost
effectiveness analysis the SSRIs are
still largely um the drugs of choice in
this but you have cognitive behavioral
therapy um if you have resistant cases
ect is actually very effective um I've
actually seen it done numerous times in
patients um and it's very striking how
much it does improve uh improve
patients. Um Dr. Bolan, did you have
something else that you wanted to um
also add here?
>> Yeah, I was just going to kind of
piggyback on the the SSRI piece a little
bit. Um just you know make sure you note
you know you know for an exam or you
know for practice multiple SSRI trials
are you know your your pathway. So your
first line, second line. Uh then you of
course you know your cognitive
behavioral therapy is is always a part
of that. Um but it you do go through
usually multiple SSRI trials before you
will start adding bupropion or an
antiscychotic or some of the other mood
stabilizers that have evidence uh for that.
that.
>> Yeah. And that's true for the uh anxiety
disorder as well.
um most of the most of the patients if
one doesn't work switching to another
one within the class because you don't
want to just give up on the whole class.
It's kind of like statins in the same
some people tolerate one statin better
over another. Um now again you recognize
that these drugs are not going to work
like that. So you're looking at four to
six weeks before that dose um is going
to be fully manifested. Um you're
changing the biology of the brain. So it
has to recalibrate itself. And so if you
just make an adjustment and you bring
them back within a week and they're not
fully better, that doesn't ramping up
the dose may or may not provide
additional therapeutic benefit, may only
increase their side effects. So most
people will reasonably give three to
four weeks on a particular dose unless
they're getting worse. Um uh someone
asked a question about ketamine um and
the use and I don't know if you're
talking about in a a depression but it
has been used in depression as well for
more resistant cases. It's also been
used um in patients who are agitated as
well. Although you got to be careful u
because of obviously the um you know
manifestations that sometimes can make
them hallucinate and um um experience
you know unusual events and so it could
exacerbate that part of it. Postpartum
depression is really in the context of
the two weeks around
um it doesn't mean that it's just you
know uh some patients will develop some
you know perinatal depression and then
it kind of manifests itself even more progressively
progressively
um uh within that first month after
delivery. And uh I've seen this happen a
couple times too. We've all heard about
it on TV and some of the devastating
cases where you know a mother who would
otherwise do everything they can for
their child child uh you know kills
themselves plus everybody else and and
all their children or just gets rid of
the children. So, it's a very
devastating disease. Um, and it is real
and you do need to can rule out other
underlying problems because postpartum
thyroiditis can also um happen in this
patient population. And so, you want to
rule out other reasons or physical abuse
and other things like that. But, um,
this is not something, you know, to to
ignore an SSRI still. So, I mean, the
good news for some of these things is
that it's pretty straightforward. um and
the same drug classes are largely used
uh most of the time. What drives us to u
pick one agent over another is drug
interactions or side effects um in that
class. So for example, if you you know
have a a patient who's pregnant with um
and you're with depression, then you
probably want to avoid peroxitine
because of the the risk of PPHN, which
is your persistent pulmonary
hypertension of the newborn. um it seems
to be more associated with them. It's
linked in all the classes or in all the
drugs in the class, but it's seems to be
concentrated a little bit more on peroxitine.
peroxitine.
So, PTSD,
um I think this exam is probably going
to cause that for some of you.
Most exams cause PTSD, right? Um so um
you know this is where you know
cognitive behavioral therapies, exposure
response prevention um can be helpful.
Uh there are um um
um
I just went uh blank on it.
um some of the SS SNRIs, sorry. H
there's one particular drug that has a
little bit more information uh data in
it uh within PTSD and it just slipped my
mind. So I'll have to come back to that
but hopefully we'll you know it'll come
back to me you know when we're in
bioatistics where it matters. um
schizophrenia uh so this is where if we
think about Parkinson's which I think we
went over neurology at the last session
um where remember the dopamineergic
neurons in the substantia are depleted
or they're dying or you know going away
and the dopamineergic input is being
compromised and so we give dopamine
agonist in Parkinson's disease but when
we do that we run the risk of causing
basically symptoms mostly positive
symptoms which are the hallucinations
and the delusions and the psychosis that
are manifested because of too much. So
in the context of schizophrenia, just
think of it the same way. There's too
much dopamine many times maybe some
modulation of the activity of serotonin.
And so a lot of the drugs are antagonist
to that or we're trying to modulate and
create more of a balance. No different
than we're trying to create a balance in
Parkinson's with these neurotransmitters
and tipping the scale from one to too
much causes some of these things. So we
have positive symptoms which are the
more common ones. negative symptoms have
to really do with that uh emotion piece
and this is where people are tend to be
flat and that's where our atypical
antiscychotics have been helpful at
maybe improving a little bit without
causing the the risk of tardype diseases
that we saw with first generation agents
and then mood and cognitive cognition um
also being impaired where they have uh
executive functioning being compromised
at some level they can't do activities
of daily living um so you you need to
look for multiple things. It can't just
be having one thought or you know you
see some shadow on the side of your you
know out of your side of peripheral
vision that doesn't make you
schizophrenic. Um so you have to look at
the number of symptoms and the duration
uh around six months of those symptoms
uh before you kind of label that. So it
requires an appropriate evaluation and
diagnosis. Well, the the drugs of choice
are the antiscychotics and particularly
the atypical antisycchotics because of
their lower risk of tardy disynesia and theoretical
theoretical
some benefits with negative symptoms on
top of your positive symptoms. The what
what drugs do we pick? Well, first most
people just like with anti-depressants
that Dr. Bolan mentioned um you're going
to find that in the literature for psych
psychiatry that most people have to use
two to three different antiscychotics
before they find the one that works for
them and that's just the way it is. The
only evidence that helps us to decide
which one to pick is family history
where there's a genetics. So part of the
area that has the most phcogenetic
research is this psychiatry because have
to do receptor binding and metabolism
issues with the drug therapy. Um but
outside of that what helps us to pick
one over another is mostly side effects
profile. So clausipine and lancipine
have more side effect profiles including
weight gain, risk of diabetes,
hypertension, you know those things that
you know but they're very effective. Um
and then we think about weight neutral.
So if you have a diabetic or obese
patient uh some of these things you know
play a role um in what we what we choose
but then when you one fails then you
have to switch to obviously something
else. Um and then of course social
support systems are a huge uh huge part
of this. Um okay
so all right moving on to insomnia. Uh
there's the short term which may be
related to like people like my job in
the emergency department where we're
always shifting. We're shift work, you
know. Uh I have sleep disturbances all
the time. I'm actually sleeping right
now. Uh but just talking to you. No, I'm
just kidding. Uh
well, not really, but no. Um but and
then there's the quote sort of chronic
um which you know obviously is happening
more frequently throughout the week on a
regular basis over a period of three
months and so people sometimes need um
something to help them to get to sleep
but they also need to set up patterns
that facilitate that and that's where
the non-farmacologic um things become
important. So, cognitive behavioral
therapy, you know, setting up good what
we call sleep hygiene. Um, and there's a
lot of different recommendations like
not watching TV and bed and playing
video games while you're laying in bed.
All these things that, you know, bed is
for sleeping, right? So um so making
sure that you you know compartmentalize
some of your activities so that you
facilitate even that circadian shift um
and mental adjustment that needs to
happen. Um from there many people you
know you can try a number of different
agents but obviously the
non-benzodazipene hypnotics help people
um to not only get to sleep but may
impact the the latency of the sleep. Uh
and then melatonin um you know
supplements whether it's over the
counter or you know some of the agents
you can get prescription wise can
sometimes uh be helpful but the the
problem with this area is the people
with the chronic tend to stay on the
drugs and most of the way these drugs
should be used is really for shortterm
use two to four weeks um in particular.
Uh let's see. So drugs of abuse, we got
smoking sessation. Um that's not rocket
science. I think the thing that may come
up is, you know, patients when you're
going through that, you need to think of
the um you know, the five A's um to
assess and and and advise them so that
they pick the right date, time, have a
plan. But then you also need to factor
in like withdrawal symptoms and that's
where their packear history comes in. So
there's a number of different
calculations and things that you know
sometimes show up on on the exams. U I
don't think they're going to ask you to
calculate it, but just remember that you
take the packs per day. You multiply the
number of years and that's their pack
year history. And obviously the number
of packs that they smoke, if they're
going to go through withdrawal, that may
influence how you use nicotine
um kind of replacement therapy on top of
uh cognitive behavioral therapies and
social support plus drug therapy. Uh Dr.
Boland, I think you wanted to uh add
some stuff here. Yeah, just remembering
that combination therapy is typically
more effective and if there's been
previous quit attempts, you're
definitely going to, you know, start in
in that direction. Um, you know, and
consider any behavioral cues that you're
getting or for sure have that discussion
with the patient uh to try and help
determine which is the best or the worst
uh you know to choose from the nicotine
replacement therapies because they're
still uh despite having some oral drugs
and things like that, they're still the
the the first line uh agents and even
recommended you know for second, third,
fourth trials, you know, whatever. um
you know to be used for for patients.
>> Yeah. And I mean obviously we recognize
you know some of the patients you should
avoid drugs and don't forget the you
know bupropion and the risk of small
risk of seizures.
All right. Um alcohol uh use and abuse
disorder. Um so most of the time these
patients present um usually intoxicated
um and so that's where intoxication
alcoholic ketoacidosis where they have
an acidbased disturbance basically
because they their major form of
nutrition is alcohol. So their glycogen
stores are low. So they don't have
hyperglycemia. They have uglycemia with
basically findings that would be
consistent with a DKA pattern. Um and so
where the other ones the long-term
complications come from significant
nutritional deficiencies and
particularly the um B complex vitamins
uh B12 in particular. So uh and also
thamin. So thamin actually gets
compromised at the GI level uh because
of changes in re uh transporters and
stuff. So that's why we actually in the
acute area of the abuse have to or you
should traditionally bypass the GI tract
um with a parental agent of thyon
replacement to maximize you know what
the brain gets so that we don't facilitate
facilitate
uh um complications when they ingest
glucose remember especially if they
haven't been doing that. Um so your you
know non-farmacologic and be cognitive
behavioral therapies to also include
programs like alcoholic anonymous if
you're having acute withdrawal yes they
need to be usually hydrated because of
their uh only substance being alcohol
but that's where your thamin and then
some dextrosebased
infusion to manif maximize the ATP
production um in their brains in
particular uh and then most of the time
they need to be on um benzo
You can certainly start off with intermittent
intermittent
bzoazipines and and monitor
their symptoms of withdrawal. But if
they're not responding or they're
requiring repeated escalating doses,
then many times these patients have to
be put on drips and many times even
admitted to it like a step down unit or
something where they can be monitored
closely to avoid withdrawal seizures um
that unfortunately carries a significant
mortality if it starts to happen. And
then we have the abuse deterrent agents
um that are listed at the bottom in
particular most historically do dulfam
that try to create some uh behavioral
modifications because we don't want to experience
experience
um some you know side effect
amphetamines u you know this is your
like your cocaine and and
methamphetamines where basically you're
increasing um the concentrations of
norepinephrine in the synaptic clft
You're also um increasing uh
dopamineergic neuro neurotransmission
and so you're stimulating the reward
pathway which you know again too much
dopamine can cause people to hallucinate
which is why they have psychotic
features but then you also get the
sympathomimedic activity. So you get the
tacocardia, chest pains, hypertension.
Uh they can have vasos spasms of their
vessels where they develop hypoxia to
the tissue distal to the spasm and so
and even hyperothermia um and in the
context especially if they're not able
to sweat very well. Um so in the acute
side especially if they're having a like
amphetamine induced MI uh where they're
having a basos spasm not necessarily
around around a athoscotic plaque the
the the drug of choice is benzo even if
they're not having an MI the drug of
choice many times is a benzoazipene IV
fluids um so that they um can calm down
a little bit and then um you know if you
Not sure why that oh because of the
benzoazipines but that that I'm not sure
why that actually says that that's
actually I think that's a mistake that's
for the benzo more for
um patients that have if they're use abusing
abusing
cocominant medication. So sorry about
that. marijuana probably the biggest
thing um that's showing up and becoming
a bigger problem is the canabonoid hyperemmesis
hyperemmesis
uh syndrome basically they get
themselves into a cyclic vomiting
scenario uh where they can't stop and
they get um they're very uncomfortable
looking I don't know if you've ever seen
these patients but they usually
obviously present to me uh and they just
cannot stop dry heaving or vomiting and
so they start developing electrolyte
abnormalities ies um they start
developing acid base disturbances
because of all the vomiting and then
they are dehydrated. So there are a
number of different things that people
try u prior to one is uh this they try
to get in the shower um seems to be one
of those things that people have tried
uh sniffing isopropyl alcohol uh pads
the little pads um can sometimes you
know offset that. I've not seen that
personally work. Um the evidence um is
really unfortunately around um two drugs
in particular um uh haloperidol and
capsation. And you might say what why
would I what's capsation? Yeah. So
literally you take capsation cream and
you like rub it all over their chest and
abdomen. And if you think about
capsation um being a vanilloid receptor
one agonist basically it's stimulating
these nerves so much at a higher
intensity that it creates pathways that
interrupt some of the you know cyclic
pattern. So just like with cold therapy,
it's triggering a different type of
nerve conduction that stops and
intersects c different types of pain
receptors that would normally trans up
transmit up the spinal cord. Um so it's
weird, but it actually is one of the
recommended um treatments. All right, to
kind of keep us moving along because we
do have to get to um
uh the EVM stuff. Um so ARDS
usually um this uh Q respiratory
distress syndrome uh typically occurs in
different phases depending on when
you're seeing the patient obviously in
the man onset of their underlying
problem. These patients typically
develop severe dysmia, usually have
crackles, and they're hypoxic. And so
what ends up happening is you start to
give them more oxygen, and sometimes you
have to give them FiO2s that are so high
that you create free radicals that only
cause the process to worsen. Um, and so
it becomes a little bit of a slippery
slope. And that's where ventilation um
mechanisms or strategies that you see
listed there where you flip people into
prone positions and you maximize
ventilation and profusion so that we can
reduce the amount of oxygen that we get
to maximize the ventilation profusion um
strategies without also trying to put
too much pressure. uh because as the
airways start to stiffen and become fi
more fibrootic, you have to push more
pressure to open them up. Um and then
pharmacologic treatment to consider to
avoid again putting too much pressure to
cause bar trauma in these patients is
that you relax the muscles and you try
to reduce some of the inflammation. So
methyl prediniscolone and um some of
your neuromuscular blockers in
particular like rockuronium
um that last a little longer can relax
those muscles to make it easier to
inflate those lungs and then if there's
certainly fluid overload get rid of
that. All right, moving on to asthma and
COPD. These are your obstructive airway diseases.
diseases.
Um, and so remember there with COPD
there's typically a remodeling of the
airway but that results in a low
compliant airway that basically falls or
collapses on itself. Whereas in asthma
you have a response to it some
environmental trigger or allergen that
causes a bronco spasm and that's usually
at the level of the bronchioles where
there's no cartilagynous rings and
that's where the smooth muscle is and so
they spasm at that that point. So they
get cough, shortness of breath, they
when they're laying flat, it tends to
make it a little worse. They get up in
the middle of the night coughing,
wheezing, and that's kind of like one of
your indicators. So you have to do
pulmonary function tests, which is a
closed system. And we measure the FEV1,
which is the volume of air being expired
in the first second under a forced
exhalation. And then you look at the
force vital capacity. And we measure
those those numbers and we put them in
ratios that kind of put them in a bucket
to look for restrictive patterns versus
obstructive patterns. And like I said
ago, asthma, COPD are more obstructive
uh patterns. So um Dr. Bullet and do you
want to comment here on the treatment
because there have been some subtle
small changes and and people get
hyperfocused on some of these changes
but um there's a couple reasons for them
but did you want to jump on this real
quick because we got a lot a lot of
drugs that have been growing in this class.
class.
>> Yeah. So now uh what's important to know
is that for steps one and two you can
use um an a steroid you know um the
inhaled corticosteroid sorry almost lost
that uh the inhaled corticosteroid and
foroterol combination PRN so that can be
used as your controller and your
reliever um you know which is a change
now you can still use your short acting
uh beta agonist as well, but they do
recommend that you use um the steroid
along with it when you do use it. Um if
you're if you're going that route still
um with steps one or two um but the kind
of your primary pathway now is your ICS
and your formoterol and the one with the
evidence is actually boudinite and formoterol.
formoterol.
Um so if you're a purist uh there you
go. Um, and don't forget like on this on
the exam they can ask you about
counseling points and we should all be
reminded about you know appropriate
counseling points for the different
inhalers and things like that.
>> So yeah, part of the reason for that
recommendation uh was also for
convenience um because if you formulate
a medication that's combined one less
inhaler they have to carry around. If
you have to do multiple techniques on
different types of inhalers then you
screw it up more. So there's a number of
reasons that went into that but it does
not negate the fact that you can still
use a short acting betagonist still PRN
but yes they need to be on inhaled
steroid and of course you see the
evolution of the biologic agents
basically that are reserved for patients
who have refractory to you know they've
they've on two or three drug regimens
and you're also treating the underlying
um allergies. So just keep those subtle
things in mind. Um there when you have
an acute exacerbation
obviously straightforward they're
usually having expiratory wheezes that
are sometimes even audible but usually
they're listen you can hear them on
exam. Uh basically you want to rule out
any pneumothorax and pneumonia so they
usually get a chest x-ray uh many times
especially if they are developing
hypoxia from it and needing supplemental
oxygen. Um and in this case if they're
really you know working hard um this is
where you can do inline nebulization
therapy with combination you know short
acting beta agonist in combination with
a short acting muscerinic uh using CPAP
or BiPAP me uh which are non-invasive
ventilation um techniques u if those are
not working or there's a contra
indication to non-invasive i.e. they're
not awake or they're becoming lethargic
uh or that the the airway is impending
um closure then you can intubate them.
Although I will tell you once you get an
aszmatic on the ventilator it is trouble
to um ventilate them and hard to get
them off. So we really really try to
avoid doing that and that's where we'll
start them on steroids but steroids are
not going to work acutely but get them
going early and we usually give them
parentally even though oral steroids can
be absorbed just as good as IV but when
you have a lot of uh repeated doses of
short acting betagonists or uh agents
you can get patients to where they get
tacoc cardic and they can even vomit so
we don't want to compromise the
absorption of medications and if you
have access to another route or another
medication just give it parentally to
ensure that these patients don't vomit
in the midst of especially having a byprowing
in mag. Now the magnesium IV
administration works as like a calcium
channel blocker to relax the bronchules
typically is more studied in COPD. When
we think about COPD again there's
remodeling of the airway uh changes in
the structure and part of that structure
is that it collapses on itself. um
typically associated with initial phase
of bronchitis and then it goes to the emphymic
emphymic
uh pathway where they don't make as much
sputum after a significant amount of
destruction. Um but they still have low
FEV1s FC's that are still less than 70%.
Um and this is where combination therapy
has definitely been shown to be helpful
especially like triple therapy where
they have a inhaled cortical steroid
especially for moderate to severe cases
has definitely been shown to be helpful
on top of that with a long acting
muscerinic and a long acting um beta
agonist agent improves their symptoms uh
to prevent um
you know uh basically their
exacerbations or their symptoms. Once
they have an exacerbation, now
something's triggered it. Many times
it's smoking or viral infection or
something. So that's why you want to
look for those things and do a chest
X-ray or consider additional workup to
rule out things. Um but uh these
patients tend to have significant uh
accessory muscle use. They also benefit
from initial um non-invasive uh
ventilation strategies, BiPAP, CPAP with
inline um nebulized therapies, steroids
and then magnesium. Um whereas
antibiotics is controversial and this is
where antimicrobial stewardship um kind
of comes in and Dr. Bolan I think you
know with some of the antimicrobial
stewardship that you've done you want to
comment on some of this?
>> Yeah. So usually when you think about
needing antibiotics um you're looking at
if they've had the increased sputum
volume purulence and disysmia or if
they've had the increased purulence plus
one of the others. Uh so you've got to
have that increase in uh purulence there
to really before you should consider
them. And then remember you're trying to
cover strep numo h flu and mcat. Um so
you're looking at uh you know basically
augmenting a moxicylan clavulonate a
macrolyte or a tetracycline. So um you
know be sure you use them you know when
it's truly indicated and you're not
using something that would be uh
inappropriate or too broad or have you
know higher risks of other adverse effects.
effects.
>> Yeah. You see on here there's also under
the classic findings pulmonary embolism.
Interestingly, there's about a third of
patients who present to the emergency
department based on evidence who
actually are having a PE. So, if you're
not responding to traditional therapy,
don't anchor at the diagnosis of COPD
exacerbation in the traditional sense,
uh recognize that there are small
percentage of patients that go on and
are presenting because they have a
pulmonary embolism. It's actually
striking the number of people who have
that. Um, and part of that's because
they're sedentary because they can't
exert themselves. Um, so they sit for
prolonged periods of time. Um, okay. Um,
cystic fibrosis. This is obviously a
genetic problem in the CFTR
mutations where they basically have a,
you know, their sodium chloride channels
are messed up and so they get these
secretions um, that build up and that
are very viscous and basically cause,
you know, clog up things. And most
commonly we think of the airway but it
can occur in the GI tract as well. It
can affect other organs which is why
they patients will have um uh vitamin uh
deficiencies. They have weight loss
because they work so hard to breathe and
then they don't bring in enough
calories. Um newborns will have these
ilases form from bowel obstructions
essentially. uh but most of the time
they have uh traditional cystic fibrosis
patients have bronchiacttois and
bronchitis that's chronic in nature.
They typically get infected a lot with
and are very commonly colonized with
sudamonus um which then points to why we
pick antibiotic therapies that have
antisetudonal um coverage. So when you
think about um agents or things that you
uh use, so you see airway clearance
therapies, this is a lot of times uh
chest physiootherapy can sometimes be
helpful for these patients to loosen the
secretions to help them to get them out.
Uh bronco dilators obviously mucalytics
on occasion um can help break down some
of those in some patients. And then of
course if they have GI um manifestations
uh with the with the pancreas not
working and they have low uh they're
losing weight that's where they need
panker lipase they need vitamin K or
vitamin supplementation which is a lot
of times some some things that we tend
to forget about uh hemoptsis the only
thing I really want to say about this is
that you know there's a lot of reasons
for it the airways are highly
vascularized for obvious reasons because
you're ventilating and profusing
So blood is coming by to get that
oxygen. So there's a lot of blood
vessels and when you have inflammation,
irritation from bronchitis or pneumonia
or you know a PE or something I mean you
can have anything can cause some blood
to leak into uh your airway and you can
cough it up and pe it scares people um
pretty bad when they see blood in their
sputum but it's quite often is very
common especially in bronchitis. And so
for the most part, you just treat the
underlying problem. It's a if it's a
viral infection that you can treat like
COVID or influenza. Um you know, then
treat it. You know, it's if otherwise
you have to just kind of make sure they
don't have it's not progressing and that
if uh they're not having hypoxia from
it. Um so if they do progress, um then
you have to start thinking about
cancers. you have to think about
potential uh that they they will need
oxygen therapy and if they're on anti-coagulants
anti-coagulants
or the vessels open up further and
that's when transmic acid um can
sometimes be also useful but they're
going to have to have a broncoscopy
which is obviously a pulmonologist
getting involved.
Pneumathorax is a sudden uh collapsing
of the lung. So um it can be from a
number of reasons. Most people think of
traumatic pneumthorax. So you get
stabbed essentially and so it creates a
communication piece to the uh uh
atmosphere uh pressure becomes equal to
the plural space pressure um and so the
lung essentially collapses into its
normal anatomic position um and so they
become short of breath. If there's a
valve that's created and that traps
here, you can develop tension
pneumothorax which then builds up,
builds up, builds up and starts to push
the heart and the aorta to the side and
these patients can that can be
life-threatening where you need to do
what is called
needle decompression. Basically, you put
a needle into their chest and let the
air out and then you have to put a chest
tube in essentially. So that's what tube
thorostomy is. Um you know you you
basically cut a hole right above the rib
and you know around the fourth or fifth
intercostal space and you insert the
chest tube um and put it to negative you
know suction and um put it through you
know some sort of um fil you know
filtering some something that traps the
air out from going back in. Um so they
have like a plurvback or something and
basically the lung reexpands and it will
actually reexpand fairly quickly. they
tend to start breathing much faster and
better. The problem is the problem with
it is that people don't like the chest
tube. It hurts. I mean that's a very
painful invasive procedure to have a
tube in your chest wall and as you're
taking a breath that lung is basically
rubbing up and down on the surface of
the um uh chest tube. So um so that's
kind of uh psych and uh pulmonary. Uh
for purposes of time um I'm going to go
ahead and just start um the initial
phase of this lecture because it's a
little bit longer. It's an important
one. So we'll just cover essentially
what is evidence-based medicine because
then we're going to break it down into
its parts and review those key
components. Um and then so we're going
to pause here in just a in just about
five minutes or so and then take a five
minute break. Dr. Bolan's going to uh
check off um from the session and then
we'll finish it up. So as a reminder,
you know, we we will have some good news
to share. So I'm going to you know get
to that towards the end, but I wanted to
remind you that um you know, hang around
uh because we're going to be pushing
some things and some content to you
guys. and want you guys to be aware of
of what it is and uh but I want to get
through the content first. Um so I think
you'll I think it'll be worth your time
especially for some of your exams. So
what is evidence-based medicine? Well,
back in 1992 there was a EBM working
group which is largely a group of
providers out of Canada um at a medical
residency training program. There were
some um providers mostly physicians uh
from the United States involved in other
places but most of it originated Canada
and really was a philosophy of how to teach
teach
medical physicians how to think and it
was based on answering asking an
appropriate clinical question and then
how do you go and find the right answer
versus the old school of teaching was I
tell you how to do it and that's how you
do it. Well, that doesn't always clearly
work, right? Um, so we've moved away
from just because I said it's true
doesn't mean it is. Um, but it was a new
paradigm in the way we think. And so
there's a vin diagram is a classic way
to present the theory or philosophy of
evidence-based medicine where you have
these three circles that when they come
collectively together appropriately in
balance key words there um you have what
is considered to be part of the approach
to evidence-based medicine. That means
you're taking the best available
evidence and if the best available
evidence that exists on the clinical
question that you're trying to answer is
a case series, then that's the best
available evidence recognizing that that
evidence largely is high risk for bias.
It also does not detract or suggest any
way, shape or form that clinical
experience or expertise is not
important. It is. You cannot just read a
journal article and know how to take
care of patients. Doesn't work.
Otherwise, I wasted four years of my
life doing a medical residency. So, you
know, there's a reason why residency
training is done uh and why clinical
experience has some degree of value.
There's a practical application to real
world practice. And then, of course,
there's the patient specific factors
where even shared decision- making
should be included. So, when all those
things come together, you are doing EBM.
There's typically the what we call the
five A's or the five steps of
evidence-based medicine and that's the
process by which you ask an appropriate
and that's key word an appropriate
question. Okay. So there's parts of a
question pico peacott
um and then you go and you search you
acquire that evidence and then once
you've found the evidence and you think
that you found the best available
evidence depending on how much time you
have you will critically appraise or
systematically review that paper. Then
you're supposed to determine if it's
internally valid. Can I externally apply
it to the patient population that I need
it to apply to? And if yes, then you
apply it. But you're technically
supposed to assess the impact of your
own decision. That means you're
basically doing a a study of yourself
and your own activities, which most
people, you know, don't do. And so when
we think about asking a an appropriate
clinical question, most people think of
pico and they stop at PICO.
I I disagree with that. Um I think
that's inappropriate and lacks the
completion of the thought of the
question because not a if I ask a
question about chest pain and I'm in a
family medicine clinic with Dr. Boland
or I'm in the emergency department, I'm
in two different environments or
settings in the clinical environment.
patients I would hope that are
presenting to me in the emergency
department with chest pain are slightly
different than the patients presenting
to Dr. bowl and telling a a cow joke,
right? So big difference. So the the
timing of the outcome might be
applicable. Well, let's say I'm giving
uh tpa for an acute eskeemic stroke.
Well, I don't want to know what happens
in a year. I'm treating a patient right
here in the emergency department. So my
timing of my outcome and my setting
might be acute and relevant. And so the
type of data that I'm looking for needs
to align with this. So the the reason
you ask a good question or structured
question is so that you can go and find
the right type of evidence. So what are
the types of evidence that line with the question?
question?
So most of the time most people are
doing this top row which is therapy or
treatments right we're thinking about
the new drug you know compared to what
we used to do and the difference between
pico or pco is I is the intervention or
the new drug or E is the exposure to the
new drug. Okay but again I would be an
advocate of the TNS being incorporated
in there. So you consider the timing of
the outcome that you want. Is it acute
time outcomes like in the first hour or
the first 24 hours, one month or is it
six years? I mean that's obviously two
different things. Um but you know the
type of evidence that we traditionally
look at if there's available is a
Cochran review of good randomized
control trials but just remember a
systematic review to meta analysis can
be junk in which produces junk out. So
just because something is published as a
meta analysis doesn't mean that it's
good information. even if it's a Cochran
review. Cochran will tell you it sucks,
don't use it. But you need to know that
the data that's out there doesn't look
good. And so that's good to know. Um
whereas diagnosis is pyro or per and
this is where the I is the new
intervention or new test and the R is
the reference standard. Um, and so it's
just helpful to see this if you're doing
um behavior analysis of the patient and
their response to treatment, how they
feel, what their experience was. Well,
that's a qualitative study, right? And
so the type of data that you look at,
the type of question and the structure
of that question then points to
what uh type of data that you go looking
for. And that's the next phase. And so
we're going to pause here. So I will see
you guys back in approximately five
minutes and we will continue on with EBM bioatistics
bioatistics
and literature evaluation. Thanks Dr.
Boland for being with us and for the
additional contributions throughout this
series. Um Dr. Boland has also uh is
part of the reason you're getting a
gift. Um so we have leveraged her um
extensive background and unique skill
set of doing things inpatient,
outpatient, even in the emergency
department. But more importantly, a lot
of the outpatient work that she's done
over the past 10 years in in particular
and family medicine clinics um is going
to be brought to you guys in addition to
some other fun things. So see you guys
in five minutes. Thanks Dr. Boland.
>> You're welcome. We'll see you again soon.
soon. >> Yep.
Okay. Hopefully everybody had a good quick
Hopefully everybody had a good quick break and um I do want you guys to know
break and um I do want you guys to know that um I there's quite a few comments
that um I there's quite a few comments and um questions. I'm going to have to
and um questions. I'm going to have to try to save it towards the end so that
try to save it towards the end so that we can try to get through some of this.
we can try to get through some of this. Um, but we'll we'll kind of come back to
Um, but we'll we'll kind of come back to a few of the points that some of you
a few of the points that some of you have asked um as much as I can. So,
have asked um as much as I can. So, moving forward. Um, so now we've just
moving forward. Um, so now we've just finished again step one of asking the,
finished again step one of asking the, you know, appropriate clinical question.
you know, appropriate clinical question. And so, we'll use one as a an example to
And so, we'll use one as a an example to help guide us through a process a little
help guide us through a process a little bit. um and we'll use one that we've
bit. um and we'll use one that we've discussed in a you know previous case
discussed in a you know previous case and stuff like that and one is that
and stuff like that and one is that there is there any benefit
there is there any benefit neurologically
neurologically uh to the use of steroids and and
uh to the use of steroids and and bacterial menitis and so if you were to
bacterial menitis and so if you were to you know create your clinical question
you know create your clinical question in the format of a peacock this would
in the format of a peacock this would look a little bit like it is so this is
look a little bit like it is so this is what mine looks like and the reason that
what mine looks like and the reason that you want to consider doing this is
you want to consider doing this is because you have to think about the
because you have to think about the search terms that you're going to use
search terms that you're going to use that align with your intervention or
that align with your intervention or your outcome like what terms so that
your outcome like what terms so that when you then do a search you should
when you then do a search you should take the the right side of this column
take the the right side of this column and as you're skimming over it does the
and as you're skimming over it does the papers peacots
papers peacots align with your peacots if it doesn't
align with your peacots if it doesn't don't use it okay um and that's one of
don't use it okay um and that's one of the reasons why we do that so then
the reasons why we do that so then you've got to dive into various sources
you've got to dive into various sources of the literature and it depends on the
of the literature and it depends on the type of data that you're looking for and
type of data that you're looking for and maybe even the environment or setting um
maybe even the environment or setting um that the question is related to. So
that the question is related to. So senol for example is related to allied
senol for example is related to allied health, nursing, uh physiootherapy,
health, nursing, uh physiootherapy, social services whereas MBASE, Medline
social services whereas MBASE, Medline are going to have your more treatment uh
are going to have your more treatment uh focused things that are traditional
focused things that are traditional whereas MBASE maybe doesn't cover uh
whereas MBASE maybe doesn't cover uh nonhuman medical devices and other
nonhuman medical devices and other things. it's more emphasis on drug
things. it's more emphasis on drug therapy tends to be a little bit more
therapy tends to be a little bit more European whereas PubMed or Medline is
European whereas PubMed or Medline is everything you know human non-human
everything you know human non-human uh drug therapy non-drug therapy can be
uh drug therapy non-drug therapy can be all kinds of of things um obviously you
all kinds of of things um obviously you might say well that's good well it's
might say well that's good well it's good until you get 50,000 results and
good until you get 50,000 results and you have to narrow it down and that's
you have to narrow it down and that's where your limitations or you know
where your limitations or you know advanced search settings kind of come in
advanced search settings kind of come in secondary sources of the literature
secondary sources of the literature typically are summarizing
typically are summarizing the evidence right they're compiling it
the evidence right they're compiling it together like a journal club or clinical
together like a journal club or clinical evidence uh UK nice some of the clearing
evidence uh UK nice some of the clearing uh UK uh the US national guideline
uh UK uh the US national guideline clearing house which used to be around
clearing house which used to be around those types of services basically are
those types of services basically are compiling the evidence for you into
compiling the evidence for you into groups and kind of give you summaries
groups and kind of give you summaries whereas tertiary sources are more
whereas tertiary sources are more surface level reviews think of it as
surface level reviews think of it as like encyclopedia. U it may be
like encyclopedia. U it may be referenced and they may refer to some of
referenced and they may refer to some of the primary references but sometimes
the primary references but sometimes they don't. Sometimes they're referring
they don't. Sometimes they're referring to other tertiary sources and you never
to other tertiary sources and you never get to the real evidence or the evidence
get to the real evidence or the evidence isn't being utilized in a complete
isn't being utilized in a complete manner. Um so a good example of that is
manner. Um so a good example of that is faux med which is the free online free
faux med which is the free online free online access to medical education
online access to medical education sources which are largely blogs where
sources which are largely blogs where people publish information for free
people publish information for free which is they're typically plagued with
which is they're typically plagued with issues of per not being peer uh reviewed
issues of per not being peer uh reviewed or being updated. Um but up to-date is
or being updated. Um but up to-date is probably the more common uh version of
probably the more common uh version of this that most people are familiar with
this that most people are familiar with but don't forget about your textbooks
but don't forget about your textbooks and things. So depending on the type of
and things. So depending on the type of question may influence which source of
question may influence which source of data databases that you search. So as
data databases that you search. So as you start diving into searching, you're
you start diving into searching, you're thinking about the results. How do I
thinking about the results. How do I narrow in on the most important results
narrow in on the most important results without missing the right paper? That
without missing the right paper? That has to do with search sensitivity and
has to do with search sensitivity and specificity. So sensitivity is I want to
specificity. So sensitivity is I want to expand the search because I don't want
expand the search because I don't want to miss the best paper. This is
to miss the best paper. This is typically what strategy is done in
typically what strategy is done in systematic reviews. So you get the
systematic reviews. So you get the impact at the bottom is that you get a
impact at the bottom is that you get a larger number of results. If you think
larger number of results. If you think about the boolean language that you're
about the boolean language that you're using in your search, it's the this or
using in your search, it's the this or this. Well, that obviously includes
this. Well, that obviously includes results that have, you know, one of
results that have, you know, one of those other things. So it's going to
those other things. So it's going to significantly increase it, but it will
significantly increase it, but it will make sure that you don't miss it. And so
make sure that you don't miss it. And so D uh search sensitivity will increase
D uh search sensitivity will increase the results, make it less likely that
the results, make it less likely that you're going to miss the paper. So
you're going to miss the paper. So again, most commonly done in a
again, most commonly done in a systematic review that prepares for a
systematic review that prepares for a meta analysis. The next is search
meta analysis. The next is search specificity, which is where you're
specificity, which is where you're trying to narrow it down and get rid of
trying to narrow it down and get rid of some of the extra results, which puts
some of the extra results, which puts you then at some point a risk of missing
you then at some point a risk of missing the paper, especially if you use the
the paper, especially if you use the wrong key words. And with that boolean
wrong key words. And with that boolean language would be and or not this. So
language would be and or not this. So you're being more restrictive in what
you're being more restrictive in what you do which gives you fewer results. Um
you do which gives you fewer results. Um so I mean hopefully that makes sort of
so I mean hopefully that makes sort of sense. But if we come back to our
sense. But if we come back to our clinical question about neurologic
clinical question about neurologic benefits with steroids and we break down
benefits with steroids and we break down the question and we think about trying
the question and we think about trying to find those key words that that put
to find those key words that that put sensitivity and specificity in the
sensitivity and specificity in the context of searching strategies into
context of searching strategies into context. You can do that here. Like
context. You can do that here. Like think about your intervention steroids.
think about your intervention steroids. Well, what kind of steroids is it? A
Well, what kind of steroids is it? A particular steroid in that you want to
particular steroid in that you want to know. So there's you know what if you
know. So there's you know what if you use the word gluccocorticoid
use the word gluccocorticoid corticosteroid
corticosteroid are we talking about androgens? Are we
are we talking about androgens? Are we talking about testosterone and estrogen?
talking about testosterone and estrogen? Well no right. So you have to go through
Well no right. So you have to go through a little bit of this strategy in your
a little bit of this strategy in your mind so that when you're putting your
mind so that when you're putting your search term together, you see that we're
search term together, you see that we're using or or or. Why would we do that?
using or or or. Why would we do that? Well, we don't want to miss the best
Well, we don't want to miss the best available evidence in the context of
available evidence in the context of evidence-based medicine. But doing this
evidence-based medicine. But doing this using those ors like that would increase
using those ors like that would increase our search results, which would increase
our search results, which would increase our search sensitivity. Same thing with
our search sensitivity. Same thing with outcome. What do you mean by neurologic
outcome. What do you mean by neurologic outcome? Is that being dead or alive
outcome? Is that being dead or alive neurologically? Is that being, you know,
neurologically? Is that being, you know, uh being able to walk? You know, I mean,
uh being able to walk? You know, I mean, what is it? Um, you know, not able to
what is it? Um, you know, not able to hear. I mean, so there's a number of
hear. I mean, so there's a number of different things that you could utilize
different things that you could utilize depending on the question. And so, if
depending on the question. And so, if you were to do a search, this would be
you were to do a search, this would be one of the landmark papers you would not
one of the landmark papers you would not want to miss. But you can see here that
want to miss. But you can see here that in the in the main title of the study
in the in the main title of the study dexamethasone in adults with bacterial
dexamethasone in adults with bacterial menitis they didn't use corticosteroid
menitis they didn't use corticosteroid they didn't use mineral I'm sorry uh uh
they didn't use mineral I'm sorry uh uh gluccocorticoid
gluccocorticoid they used the the actual type of the
they used the the actual type of the name of the steroid itself dexamethasone
name of the steroid itself dexamethasone and there's reasons physicologically and
and there's reasons physicologically and physiologically that for that but if you
physiologically that for that but if you take the paper and then you start going
take the paper and then you start going through the patient population the
through the patient population the intervention the you know the
intervention the you know the comparative group the outcome you can
comparative group the outcome you can see that your peacots and the paper's
see that your peacots and the paper's peacots start to align. Well, that's a
peacots start to align. Well, that's a paper worth reading, especially when it
paper worth reading, especially when it is a a randomized control trial, which
is a a randomized control trial, which tend to have lower risk for bias. So,
tend to have lower risk for bias. So, now you find papers or let's say you
now you find papers or let's say you only have a few minutes and so you do a
only have a few minutes and so you do a different type of search strategy that
different type of search strategy that just gets you to, you know, a piece of
just gets you to, you know, a piece of evidence,
evidence, right? depending on how much time you
right? depending on how much time you have. Um, you need to appraise it. Um,
have. Um, you need to appraise it. Um, and so it says here, appraise the
and so it says here, appraise the evidence in a systematic way. So most
evidence in a systematic way. So most people think of cats or critical
people think of cats or critical appraisal tools, which are tools that
appraisal tools, which are tools that were designed to help us walk through
were designed to help us walk through step-wise approach to reviewing a paper
step-wise approach to reviewing a paper so that we don't miss something. I find
so that we don't miss something. I find that most people, most residents and
that most people, most residents and students, they they don't have a good
students, they they don't have a good method for reviewing the paper and so
method for reviewing the paper and so they miss things and they don't ask
they miss things and they don't ask themselves the proper questions and so
themselves the proper questions and so when it comes time to journal club and
when it comes time to journal club and people like me show up and you ask a you
people like me show up and you ask a you know straightforward question they are
know straightforward question they are caught off guard. So critical appraisal
caught off guard. So critical appraisal tools were developed especially early on
tools were developed especially early on to help people learning this process to
to help people learning this process to create basically a systematic approach
create basically a systematic approach to reviewing a paper. And so when we
to reviewing a paper. And so when we think about critical appraisal tools, we
think about critical appraisal tools, we really should be calling them SATs. Uh I
really should be calling them SATs. Uh I trained at Oxford in the evidence-based
trained at Oxford in the evidence-based healthcare program there. And they were
healthcare program there. And they were also very big advocates of not using the
also very big advocates of not using the word critical appraisal tools because
word critical appraisal tools because critical tends to be negative. We always
critical tends to be negative. We always want to tear apart a paper. That's not
want to tear apart a paper. That's not appropriate because no research is
appropriate because no research is perfect. There's always something wrong
perfect. There's always something wrong with every study. I don't care who you
with every study. I don't care who you are, right? And anybody that's a
are, right? And anybody that's a clinical search knows that to be true.
clinical search knows that to be true. So it really should be a systematic
So it really should be a systematic appraisal tool because that's what we're
appraisal tool because that's what we're wanting to do is be systematic and
wanting to do is be systematic and reproducible when we read one paper over
reproducible when we read one paper over another. Our approach is the same. And
another. Our approach is the same. And so there's different validated tools
so there's different validated tools that are worth noting because sometimes
that are worth noting because sometimes that's a good test question. What
that's a good test question. What particular appraisal tool would be
particular appraisal tool would be useful in evaluating this type of paper?
useful in evaluating this type of paper? Very straightforward. So guidelines use
Very straightforward. So guidelines use grade most commonly now agree systematic
grade most commonly now agree systematic review. Prisma is the main one. Amstar
review. Prisma is the main one. Amstar has also been validated. Quatis 2 for
has also been validated. Quatis 2 for diagnostic studies. So those are the
diagnostic studies. So those are the things that you kind of you know want to
things that you kind of you know want to know. But why do we care? I mean like
know. But why do we care? I mean like the you know I use this sort of approach
the you know I use this sort of approach to like so what? Who cares? I mean why
to like so what? Who cares? I mean why are you teaching me this crap? You know
are you teaching me this crap? You know why are we expected to know this?
why are we expected to know this? Because at the end of the day you've got
Because at the end of the day you've got to externally apply the information.
to externally apply the information. Right? When you are appraising a paper,
Right? When you are appraising a paper, you're trying to discern is it
you're trying to discern is it internally valid because if it's
internally valid because if it's internally valid, then there's external
internally valid, then there's external validity, I hope, or you shouldn't be
validity, I hope, or you shouldn't be doing it. But you've got to apply the
doing it. But you've got to apply the evidence. That means some patient who's
evidence. That means some patient who's someone's mom, dad, sister, brother,
someone's mom, dad, sister, brother, loved one, friend here is going to be
loved one, friend here is going to be the recipient of your decision or their
the recipient of your decision or their recommendation through another provider
recommendation through another provider who's going to make a decision. Right?
who's going to make a decision. Right? So that's why it matters. So we have to
So that's why it matters. So we have to think through the things that would
think through the things that would compromise
compromise basically internal validity. So we think
basically internal validity. So we think about the the type of data that we're
about the the type of data that we're going for. I mentioned this earlier.
going for. I mentioned this earlier. There's the qualitative and there's
There's the qualitative and there's quantitative. Qualitative is more about
quantitative. Qualitative is more about the human experience with something,
the human experience with something, right? You're interviewing participants.
right? You're interviewing participants. Well, that's high risk for the
Well, that's high risk for the researchers bias to be introduced
researchers bias to be introduced because they're interpreting what the
because they're interpreting what the patient is saying. All right? So, high
patient is saying. All right? So, high risk for bias. Whereas quantitative
risk for bias. Whereas quantitative research, which is what most of us think
research, which is what most of us think about, although qualitative research is
about, although qualitative research is on the rise, we're going to see more of
on the rise, we're going to see more of it because we do should be impacting
it because we do should be impacting patients perception. So, we remain
patients perception. So, we remain compliant and adherent or if not, why
compliant and adherent or if not, why not? and how those strategies should
not? and how those strategies should change. But quantitative is taking
change. But quantitative is taking something and we measure it. We quantify
something and we measure it. We quantify it into numbers, something that we can
it into numbers, something that we can wrap our minds around and measure like a
wrap our minds around and measure like a blood pressure or a lab. Okay, those are
blood pressure or a lab. Okay, those are pretty straightforward. Just lower risk
pretty straightforward. Just lower risk for bias because it is what it is.
for bias because it is what it is. You're either dead or alive or the value
You're either dead or alive or the value was you either achieved the blood
was you either achieved the blood pressure goal or you didn't. Right? So
pressure goal or you didn't. Right? So make sure you understand
make sure you understand sort of the big you know categories or
sort of the big you know categories or buckets. Now if we step into study
buckets. Now if we step into study design the most fundamental basic study
design the most fundamental basic study design is descriptive. You're just
design is descriptive. You're just describing and documenting an
describing and documenting an experience.
experience. That type of data doesn't change
That type of data doesn't change practice for almost most part unless
practice for almost most part unless it's the only stuff that exists and you
it's the only stuff that exists and you have to make a decision. Right? That's
have to make a decision. Right? That's your case reports case series.
your case reports case series. Qualitative
Qualitative does not prove causality. If you want to
does not prove causality. If you want to prove causality or you want to get to a
prove causality or you want to get to a close point of association so much so
close point of association so much so that it helps drive more internal
that it helps drive more internal validity then you got to do an
validity then you got to do an explanatory analytic study. So there's
explanatory analytic study. So there's two bare then subbuckets you have your
two bare then subbuckets you have your experimental and observational. So
experimental and observational. So remember your observational studies the
remember your observational studies the inter the researcher
inter the researcher okay doing the study is not doing an
okay doing the study is not doing an intervention there's nothing being done
intervention there's nothing being done to the patients the patients have either
to the patients the patients have either self-exposed themselves to something or
self-exposed themselves to something or have already been exposed to something
have already been exposed to something and the researchers just really
and the researchers just really observing what happens as a result of
observing what happens as a result of that exposure. Right? So basically
that exposure. Right? So basically people who do us, you know, a rapid
people who do us, you know, a rapid review course in preparation for their
review course in preparation for their board exam versus people who don't. If I
board exam versus people who don't. If I don't force you into that intervention
don't force you into that intervention and we just say, "Well, ask everybody as
and we just say, "Well, ask everybody as they come in and take the test, you
they come in and take the test, you know, did you take a review course? Yes
know, did you take a review course? Yes or no?" And then see what the results
or no?" And then see what the results are. You're just observing the outcome
are. You're just observing the outcome and impact of that exposure. So while it
and impact of that exposure. So while it may provide you some association, it
may provide you some association, it doesn't still fully prove causality. You
doesn't still fully prove causality. You can't say oh well that was the ultimate
can't say oh well that was the ultimate reason for their success one way or the
reason for their success one way or the other right so it's multiffactorial but
other right so it's multiffactorial but we have case controlled studies cohort
we have case controlled studies cohort studies cross-sectional studies and then
studies cross-sectional studies and then correlational analysis whereas
correlational analysis whereas experimental the things like randomized
experimental the things like randomized control trials and then randomized
control trials and then randomized control trials are broken down even
control trials are broken down even further into those that are explanatory
further into those that are explanatory studies or pragmatic. Now when you think
studies or pragmatic. Now when you think explanatory these are the highly
explanatory these are the highly controlled small single-c centered
controlled small single-c centered studies that are run by per protocol
studies that are run by per protocol they want to know they're purists
they want to know they're purists under pure ideal circumstances without
under pure ideal circumstances without any clutter what is the intervention
any clutter what is the intervention doing well that's not always real world
doing well that's not always real world and that's why people do pragmatic
and that's why people do pragmatic studies which get really into the
studies which get really into the intention to treat right because we all
intention to treat right because we all see people in clinic or in the hospital
see people in clinic or in the hospital or our units depending on where you work
or our units depending on where you work and we do these interventions but do we
and we do these interventions but do we see the same results as we read about in
see the same results as we read about in a paper and the answer is no because we
a paper and the answer is no because we are isolated in a small sample size and
are isolated in a small sample size and only seeing a portion of the picture
only seeing a portion of the picture which is what intention to treat
which is what intention to treat analysis is trying to do is say in the
analysis is trying to do is say in the real world this is the impact that this
real world this is the impact that this clinical trial has so now let's think
clinical trial has so now let's think about some of those studies so we're in
about some of those studies so we're in the pearls for the observational
the pearls for the observational studies, not the explanatory studies
studies, not the explanatory studies like randomized control trials or
like randomized control trials or crossover studies.
crossover studies. Okay, so case control. So these are
Okay, so case control. So these are typically you're looking for key words
typically you're looking for key words because they may give you a case or I
because they may give you a case or I describe a type of paper or study that
describe a type of paper or study that was done and they may ask you what type
was done and they may ask you what type of study it was or they may ask you're
of study it was or they may ask you're trying to answer this question or answer
trying to answer this question or answer this hypothesis.
this hypothesis. which study type would be most
which study type would be most appropriate. So you're looking for
appropriate. So you're looking for keywords.
keywords. So they tell you something was done
So they tell you something was done retrospectively or there was some going
retrospectively or there was some going back in time looking at exposure or risk
back in time looking at exposure or risk factors that were exposed to in one
factors that were exposed to in one group over another. That is almost
group over another. That is almost always a case controlled study. When do
always a case controlled study. When do we do those most commonly? Looking at
we do those most commonly? Looking at rare events or rare diseases. Why?
rare events or rare diseases. Why? Because in a case control I already know
Because in a case control I already know the outcome. I'm going backwards to look
the outcome. I'm going backwards to look to see what happened as a result of
to see what happened as a result of that. And so, um, this is where rare
that. And so, um, this is where rare diseases become irrelevant. Whereas a
diseases become irrelevant. Whereas a cohort wouldn't do rare diseases because
cohort wouldn't do rare diseases because if I take a group of people out of the
if I take a group of people out of the population and I have to study them for
population and I have to study them for 20 years, at the end of 20 years, I'm
20 years, at the end of 20 years, I'm going to go, hey, nobody had it. Well,
going to go, hey, nobody had it. Well, you just wasted 20 years of your life.
you just wasted 20 years of your life. Okay? And exposing those patients to
Okay? And exposing those patients to nothing. Um, questionnaires and things
nothing. Um, questionnaires and things like that. So these questions will not
like that. So these questions will not ask you about prevalence. They will not
ask you about prevalence. They will not ask you about incidents. They will not
ask you about incidents. They will not be studying rare disease um sorry they
be studying rare disease um sorry they they'll be looking for rare diseases and
they'll be looking for rare diseases and they already have the end points.
they already have the end points. Whereas cohort uh studies again it's
Whereas cohort uh studies again it's part of the observational. You grab a
part of the observational. You grab a cohort of people and you look for those
cohort of people and you look for those that were exposed to something or not
that were exposed to something or not and then you're following them forward
and then you're following them forward in time usually prospectively.
in time usually prospectively. There are such things as retrospective
There are such things as retrospective cohort studies where you go back in time
cohort studies where you go back in time and you say, "Okay, this is my starting
and you say, "Okay, this is my starting point and I'm going to look at the data
point and I'm going to look at the data that's already happened retrospectively
that's already happened retrospectively but in a forward fashion." That is a
but in a forward fashion." That is a retrospective cohort study where we
retrospective cohort study where we assess data in intervals, right? Okay.
assess data in intervals, right? Okay. Think about the women's health study
Think about the women's health study like it's a big study. Framingham, you
like it's a big study. Framingham, you know, these they they repeat these
know, these they they repeat these studies asking these questions on a
studies asking these questions on a large group of the of a population and
large group of the of a population and they look at the natural h history and
they look at the natural h history and that gives us incidents. Remember
that gives us incidents. Remember incidence versus prevalence. Incident
incidence versus prevalence. Incident give is based on a time interval. So
give is based on a time interval. So between one segment time of to another
between one segment time of to another whereas prevalence is a snapshot today
whereas prevalence is a snapshot today right now.
right now. So questions will not be looking and
So questions will not be looking and studying rare diseases because again you
studying rare diseases because again you don't want to have to study something
don't want to have to study something for 20 years to find out you missed it.
for 20 years to find out you missed it. Okay, no one had it. Uh and then we will
Okay, no one had it. Uh and then we will not be doing interventions. This is
not be doing interventions. This is still just like case controlled studies
still just like case controlled studies still part of the um observational study
still part of the um observational study design. Now cross-sectional
design. Now cross-sectional uh you need to think of it as a
uh you need to think of it as a snapshot. You're cross-secting
snapshot. You're cross-secting a group of people and you say what is
a group of people and you say what is the how many people today have a
the how many people today have a diagnosis of lung cancer that is
diagnosis of lung cancer that is prevalence. It's a snapshot. It's a one
prevalence. It's a snapshot. It's a one point in time and it always is assessing
point in time and it always is assessing prevalence. It will never be able to
prevalence. It will never be able to answer
answer um incidents because you don't have a
um incidents because you don't have a time interval. So it's just done at a
time interval. So it's just done at a point in in time. So again, these are
point in in time. So again, these are hopefully these little pearls. Like if
hopefully these little pearls. Like if if I had to just nail it down, uh this
if I had to just nail it down, uh this is why you would do this. Okay,
is why you would do this. Okay, sorry that uh that's crossover study. So
sorry that uh that's crossover study. So now we're into the explanatory study. So
now we're into the explanatory study. So you have your randomized control trials
you have your randomized control trials and you have your crossover study.
and you have your crossover study. Crossover studies, the researcher is
Crossover studies, the researcher is doing something to the patients. There
doing something to the patients. There is an intervention being made. you're
is an intervention being made. you're just repeating the intervention in both
just repeating the intervention in both groups. So you randomly assign them to
groups. So you randomly assign them to one of two groups. You apply the
one of two groups. You apply the intervention to one of them, the other
intervention to one of them, the other one you don't. You follow measure your
one you don't. You follow measure your outcomes or your variables, you know, at
outcomes or your variables, you know, at the end. Then you stop the
the end. Then you stop the interventions. There's a wash out
interventions. There's a wash out period, okay, where the intervention
period, okay, where the intervention needs to go away. Okay. And that wash
needs to go away. Okay. And that wash out period will vary in time based on
out period will vary in time based on the intervention's
the intervention's ability to hang around and influence
ability to hang around and influence things. Okay. So if it's an antibbody
things. Okay. So if it's an antibbody study for example, your wash out period
study for example, your wash out period should be weeks if not months because
should be weeks if not months because the halflife of most antibodies that
the halflife of most antibodies that takes that long, right? Versus if it's
takes that long, right? Versus if it's an esmol drip or the use of adenosine
an esmol drip or the use of adenosine for a cardiac procedure, well it's gone
for a cardiac procedure, well it's gone in seconds, right? So I mean you know
in seconds, right? So I mean you know that wash out period is very different
that wash out period is very different between those two interventions because
between those two interventions because of the type of um
of the type of um um
um agent intervention that's being used
agent intervention that's being used right now. Why would we do this? Well
right now. Why would we do this? Well most of the time a crossover study takes
most of the time a crossover study takes longer because you have to repeat the
longer because you have to repeat the study twice. But now the patients are
study twice. But now the patients are serving as their own controls. when they
serving as their own controls. when they serve as their own controls,
serve as their own controls, you now remove confounders influencing
you now remove confounders influencing it. So the internal validity starts to
it. So the internal validity starts to go up. Okay? So your power goes up with
go up. Okay? So your power goes up with even a fewer number of patients. So when
even a fewer number of patients. So when would I consider using this? Let's say I
would I consider using this? Let's say I don't have access to a large number of
don't have access to a large number of patients and but I want to maintain good
patients and but I want to maintain good power. Okay. Well, then a crossover
power. Okay. Well, then a crossover study is helpful because you can use
study is helpful because you can use those fewer patients, still maintain
those fewer patients, still maintain power. It's just going to take you
power. It's just going to take you longer to get it done. Whereas a
longer to get it done. Whereas a randomized control trial patient is the
randomized control trial patient is the intervention is still being made by the
intervention is still being made by the researcher, but in this case, the
researcher, but in this case, the patients don't serve as their own
patients don't serve as their own controls. they're being compared to
controls. they're being compared to another group who should have baseline
another group who should have baseline characteristics that look similar to
characteristics that look similar to them because we don't want a bunch of
them because we don't want a bunch of confounders influencing
confounders influencing uh the outcome, right? So, it's
uh the outcome, right? So, it's prospective. Patients get randomly
prospective. Patients get randomly assigned to this or that and they're
assigned to this or that and they're followed forward in time. They measure
followed forward in time. They measure the outcome and that's the end of the
the outcome and that's the end of the study. So, there's no wash out period,
study. So, there's no wash out period, there's no crossover,
there's no crossover, that kind of stuff. And we tend to think
that kind of stuff. And we tend to think these are more robust than the most
these are more robust than the most robust and and the gold standard. It's
robust and and the gold standard. It's true. Um it does help to prove causality
true. Um it does help to prove causality and has the least amount of bias. Well,
and has the least amount of bias. Well, that's why is it important? Well,
that's why is it important? Well, because it comes down to bias. So
because it comes down to bias. So remember your clinical trials as a
remember your clinical trials as a well-designed randomized control trial
well-designed randomized control trial will have the least amount of bias
will have the least amount of bias compared to a qualitative study which
compared to a qualitative study which has the most amount of bias. So if you
has the most amount of bias. So if you want to pro uh prove causality,
want to pro uh prove causality, you need a study design that reduces
you need a study design that reduces bias and increases internal validity um
bias and increases internal validity um in a proper way.
in a proper way. If you're looking for associations and
If you're looking for associations and you can't prove causality and you're not
you can't prove causality and you're not making an intervention,
making an intervention, then you're doing observational studies
then you're doing observational studies which are your cohort case controlled
which are your cohort case controlled cross-sectional studies. Uh and then you
cross-sectional studies. Uh and then you got your descriptive studies which are
got your descriptive studies which are case reports and case series which are
case reports and case series which are really more hypothesis generating. And
really more hypothesis generating. And then of course lastly your qualitative
then of course lastly your qualitative study is the human experience. Okay?
study is the human experience. Okay? So I've sort of beat this up to a pulp
So I've sort of beat this up to a pulp here but why is it important?
here but why is it important? Well it gets down to internal validity.
Well it gets down to internal validity. Do you believe
Do you believe that the study design that was
that the study design that was implemented and the way the
implemented and the way the interventions were assessed
interventions were assessed believe that the results that were
believe that the results that were produced are real or are they due to a
produced are real or are they due to a confounder or a certain amount of bias?
confounder or a certain amount of bias? If that is going to be different from
If that is going to be different from one person to another, there is no
one person to another, there is no measurable external validity, you know,
measurable external validity, you know, like
like >> there's no way of doing it, right? You
>> there's no way of doing it, right? You have to discern
have to discern that for yourself. That's where some of
that for yourself. That's where some of the debate kind of, you know, comes in
the debate kind of, you know, comes in because if something is not internally
because if something is not internally valid, it cannot be externally valid. I
valid, it cannot be externally valid. I mean, I hope that makes sense. You
mean, I hope that makes sense. You should never be applying something that
should never be applying something that you know is trash to a patient.
you know is trash to a patient. So I mean that's where skimming your
So I mean that's where skimming your paper and sometimes you know I tell
paper and sometimes you know I tell people don't I tell my residents don't
people don't I tell my residents don't ever practice abstract medicine where
ever practice abstract medicine where you read the abstract and you felt like
you read the abstract and you felt like you read the paper.
you read the paper. You read the abstract and you skim it to
You read the abstract and you skim it to see if it meets a certain pico or
see if it meets a certain pico or peacocks in your mind and you're making
peacocks in your mind and you're making quick judgments about the type of
quick judgments about the type of evidence you're looking for and the type
evidence you're looking for and the type of internal validity that you need.
of internal validity that you need. Right? So that is appropriate, but I'm
Right? So that is appropriate, but I'm not going to just stop at the abstract.
not going to just stop at the abstract. I'm using the abstract as a filtering
I'm using the abstract as a filtering point to get to the paper. That's
point to get to the paper. That's totally different.
totally different. So most people get hung up that, you
So most people get hung up that, you know, they've read the, you know,
know, they've read the, you know, introduction, they've read the methods
introduction, they've read the methods section and they get into the patient
section and they get into the patient population and they get into the study
population and they get into the study design and they're doing okay and then
design and they're doing okay and then it comes to all right, how am I how is
it comes to all right, how am I how is the researcher assessing this data and
the researcher assessing this data and is it appropriate? That's where most
is it appropriate? That's where most people start to break down and cry. All
people start to break down and cry. All right? Or as most journal clubs I
right? Or as most journal clubs I attend, the person leading the journal
attend, the person leading the journal club does whatever in their power to
club does whatever in their power to skip over this section as fast as they
skip over this section as fast as they can or to create such a distraction that
can or to create such a distraction that it gets missed and no one notices it. I
it gets missed and no one notices it. I never let that happen. Just kidding.
never let that happen. Just kidding. That's important, right? And we're
That's important, right? And we're intimidated by it. That shouldn't be
intimidated by it. That shouldn't be difficult. Um, and so if you follow me
difficult. Um, and so if you follow me at this point, um, again, hopefully
at this point, um, again, hopefully you've reviewed this, and those of you
you've reviewed this, and those of you that are, you know, premium members, um,
that are, you know, premium members, um, with us in particular, you get access to
with us in particular, you get access to our full review. You do not want to go
our full review. You do not want to go into any one of the BPS exams not
into any one of the BPS exams not feeling solid on this. You will fail. I
feeling solid on this. You will fail. I mean, just you can get all the other
mean, just you can get all the other crap right, you're going to fail. Um, I
crap right, you're going to fail. Um, I mean, that's just our experience. That's
mean, that's just our experience. That's what people tell us. And most people
what people tell us. And most people tell us that this was perfect. Okay? So
tell us that this was perfect. Okay? So pay attention. Listen. I'm going to hit
pay attention. Listen. I'm going to hit the nuts and bolts. Right? So if you
the nuts and bolts. Right? So if you have not memorized this chart, you need
have not memorized this chart, you need to memorize it and you need to
to memorize it and you need to regurgitate it in the first two minutes
regurgitate it in the first two minutes you walk into that room and you put your
you walk into that room and you put your pen and paper down and you write down a
pen and paper down and you write down a couple things that you need to remember.
couple things that you need to remember. This is one of them. Okay? Just jot it
This is one of them. Okay? Just jot it down quickly. Get it out of your mind.
down quickly. Get it out of your mind. Move on with your life. But it you don't
Move on with your life. But it you don't want to be stressing about it and trying
want to be stressing about it and trying to Well, what does that chart say on row
to Well, what does that chart say on row two? I mean, these are give me
two? I mean, these are give me questions. Okay. So, let's just walk
questions. Okay. So, let's just walk through some of this stuff. So, at the
through some of this stuff. So, at the top here, the columns have to do not the
top here, the columns have to do not the last column. That's a measure of
last column. That's a measure of correlation, which we're not really
correlation, which we're not really going to focus on right now. Uh, but
going to focus on right now. Uh, but these talk about the number of groups
these talk about the number of groups and how those groups are. Are they the
and how those groups are. Are they the same people? Are they different? Are
same people? Are they different? Are they independent of each other? Or are
they independent of each other? Or are they related? Right? So when you have
they related? Right? So when you have related groups, you have the same
related groups, you have the same patient in all arms of the study.
patient in all arms of the study. Whereas independent like in a randomized
Whereas independent like in a randomized control trial, they're in two different
control trial, they're in two different groups. They do not are not the same
groups. They do not are not the same people. Okay? They're two different
people. Okay? They're two different biologic beings. Now, where do the same
biologic beings. Now, where do the same patients come in? Most commonly, we
patients come in? Most commonly, we think of crossover studies. Okay? Or
think of crossover studies. Okay? Or let's say you're using some intervention
let's say you're using some intervention on the same patient, right? I'm putting
on the same patient, right? I'm putting a lotion on this arm and a lotion on
a lotion on this arm and a lotion on this arm or eye drop in one eye and eye
this arm or eye drop in one eye and eye drop in the other eye. Okay, I mean it's
drop in the other eye. Okay, I mean it's localized enough that likely the
localized enough that likely the systemic exposure is low theoretically
systemic exposure is low theoretically in most cases, right? Whereas
in most cases, right? Whereas independent groups basically are most
independent groups basically are most commonly in a a crossover or I'm sorry
commonly in a a crossover or I'm sorry randomized control trial or a case
randomized control trial or a case controlled study where you
controlled study where you retrospectively are going back in time.
retrospectively are going back in time. cohort studies as well because remember
cohort studies as well because remember they get expos put into exposure groups
they get expos put into exposure groups um of whatever happened right but so but
um of whatever happened right but so but they're technically different there is a
they're technically different there is a small little caveat to randomized
small little caveat to randomized control trials and PE people if you
control trials and PE people if you overly randomize them to so much degree
overly randomize them to so much degree that they start looking exactly the same
that they start looking exactly the same like for every 41year-old Caucasian
like for every 41year-old Caucasian female uh that's 5 foot six and lives
female uh that's 5 foot six and lives lives in this state and weighs this much
lives in this state and weighs this much gets in this group and the same person
gets in this group and the same person gets in this group. I mean that's pretty
gets in this group. I mean that's pretty significant. They start to look alike
significant. They start to look alike where statistically they start getting
where statistically they start getting treated as if they are related even
treated as if they are related even though their genetics
though their genetics and they're they're two biologically
and they're they're two biologically different sub people. All right. Um and
different sub people. All right. Um and so that's what those row the columns
so that's what those row the columns represent up here that we need to think
represent up here that we need to think about. How many groups and are they
about. How many groups and are they independent or are they related? So,
independent or are they related? So, let's look at an example. This is the
let's look at an example. This is the ISIS 2 trial, which was a landmark
ISIS 2 trial, which was a landmark study. I like to use it because it's
study. I like to use it because it's landmark. You need to know it anyway.
landmark. You need to know it anyway. Um,
Um, not the minutia of it, but what it was
not the minutia of it, but what it was about, right? This is the study that got
about, right? This is the study that got aspirin on the map. Okay. So, this was a
aspirin on the map. Okay. So, this was a 2x two factorial design. So, basically a
2x two factorial design. So, basically a 2 by two box created, which we'll show
2 by two box created, which we'll show you. It says and they're telling you
you. It says and they're telling you half of all the patients were randomly
half of all the patients were randomly allocated to receive this
allocated to receive this and half of the patients were to
and half of the patients were to randomize to receive a matching placebo.
randomize to receive a matching placebo. Then it goes on to say half of the all
Then it goes on to say half of the all patients were then further randomized to
patients were then further randomized to either get aspirin or a matching
either get aspirin or a matching placebo. So what does that look like?
placebo. So what does that look like? Well, this is a 2 by two.
Well, this is a 2 by two. Not rocket science. Okay, but how do you
Not rocket science. Okay, but how do you wrap your mind around it? Because if you
wrap your mind around it? Because if you read some of that, like if you're not
read some of that, like if you're not used to doing this, you might start
used to doing this, you might start getting confused. But just draw it,
getting confused. But just draw it, write it out. That's why we teach the
write it out. That's why we teach the skeletons of a study design in our full
skeletons of a study design in our full lectures because you visually need to
lectures because you visually need to see something. So if you do this, you
see something. So if you do this, you got your aspirin and placebo group, you
got your aspirin and placebo group, you got your stepinace and placebo group.
got your stepinace and placebo group. Well, then what do you do? Well, you
Well, then what do you do? Well, you just line them up, right? You got a
just line them up, right? You got a streptokinace aspirin treated group. You
streptokinace aspirin treated group. You got those who receive streptoccin plus
got those who receive streptoccin plus placebo. You got placebo plus aspirin.
placebo. You got placebo plus aspirin. And then you got placebo plus placebo.
And then you got placebo plus placebo. There's four separate groups here. The
There's four separate groups here. The way that they described it in the study
way that they described it in the study design, they are independent of each
design, they are independent of each other. They said they were allocated to
other. They said they were allocated to this or to this or they got this. So
this or to this or they got this. So there are four separate groups. There
there are four separate groups. There was no comment terminology that said
was no comment terminology that said anything about wash out periods crossing
anything about wash out periods crossing over nothing. So don't make it up if it
over nothing. So don't make it up if it doesn't exist. Okay.
doesn't exist. Okay. This is the uh data or the chart from
This is the uh data or the chart from the actual paper. So you see that
the actual paper. So you see that there's the streptokinace allocation,
there's the streptokinace allocation, the aspirin allocation and then the
the aspirin allocation and then the combination.
combination. Okay. And that's where the four groups
Okay. And that's where the four groups you should be able to see the four
you should be able to see the four groups.
groups. Okay? So that's your streptoinase,
Okay? So that's your streptoinase, aspirin, streptoccin, and aspirin. And
aspirin, streptoccin, and aspirin. And then your both of your placebo groups.
then your both of your placebo groups. Those are your four groups. Okay? So
Those are your four groups. Okay? So when you read something and you're
when you read something and you're mapping out in your mind, it should make
mapping out in your mind, it should make sense to you when you're reading the
sense to you when you're reading the paper. So, if we have four groups that
paper. So, if we have four groups that are independent of each other, where are
are independent of each other, where are we at on this chart?
we at on this chart? Sorry, that was
Sorry, that was you're right here. I think I'm trying to
you're right here. I think I'm trying to get into the related groups next, but
get into the related groups next, but you're on this column. So, that means
you're on this column. So, that means that your statistical analysis is
that your statistical analysis is somewhere in here. Well, which one do I
somewhere in here. Well, which one do I pick? Well, it depends on the type of
pick? Well, it depends on the type of data you're talking about, which is the
data you're talking about, which is the outcome.
outcome. Now, what about related samples? Okay,
Now, what about related samples? Okay, three or more related. How can that
three or more related. How can that happen? Well, think about a case
happen? Well, think about a case controlled study. Remember, I've got
controlled study. Remember, I've got cases and I can go backward in time in a
cases and I can go backward in time in a group of people. I can have a single
group of people. I can have a single study group. These are all people with
study group. These are all people with heart attacks, right? And then I go
heart attacks, right? And then I go backward in time and I look for three
backward in time and I look for three different sets of lipid profiles. And at
different sets of lipid profiles. And at each point of those lipid profiles, I'm
each point of those lipid profiles, I'm measuring
measuring the number of people who had an event
the number of people who had an event and went, right? Or the change in their
and went, right? Or the change in their lipid profiles and the impact. But if I
lipid profiles and the impact. But if I take those patients and I'm comparing
take those patients and I'm comparing lab one versus lab two and lab two
lab one versus lab two and lab two versus lab three or lab one versus lab
versus lab three or lab one versus lab three. Now I'm doing in inside I'm doing
three. Now I'm doing in inside I'm doing internal comparisons
internal comparisons and that's when you fall into
and that's when you fall into a three or more related groups. The
a three or more related groups. The classic way that this ends up happening
classic way that this ends up happening prospectively
prospectively is in a crossover study because we get
is in a crossover study because we get patients at baseline data.
patients at baseline data. We measure again the outcome data uh in
We measure again the outcome data uh in this group over here at the end of the
this group over here at the end of the initial treatment. We then wash this
initial treatment. We then wash this out. We measure it again
out. We measure it again in the same group of people and then we
in the same group of people and then we measure it again. We have four sets
measure it again. We have four sets of points of measurement and all
of points of measurement and all patients end up going through both arms.
patients end up going through both arms. So they become their own controls. So
So they become their own controls. So they're related to each other at all
they're related to each other at all points.
points. Okay.
Okay. So I hope that made sense in picking the
So I hope that made sense in picking the the two groups are the easiest ones. I
the two groups are the easiest ones. I think that's why I showed you the
think that's why I showed you the examples of the
examples of the you know two three or more. Now we need
you know two three or more. Now we need to think about the row. What type of
to think about the row. What type of data? Okay. So when we think of nominal
data? Okay. So when we think of nominal data we're thinking or we use the
data we're thinking or we use the terminology categorical which most
terminology categorical which most commonly is dichomous or binomial in its
commonly is dichomous or binomial in its distribution. Why? Dotmomous.
distribution. Why? Dotmomous. Bomial
Bomial because it's usually a yes or no. One or
because it's usually a yes or no. One or the other male or female right there.
the other male or female right there. You're dead or you're alive. you either
You're dead or you're alive. you either achieved the blood pressure goal or you
achieved the blood pressure goal or you didn't. Right? So, it's dichomous and it
didn't. Right? So, it's dichomous and it creates a binomial distribution in the
creates a binomial distribution in the data points. But there's no sense of
data points. But there's no sense of ranking or order. Now, you might go
ranking or order. Now, you might go busside, come on. I mean, being dead is
busside, come on. I mean, being dead is probably lower ranking than being alive.
Yes. But remember, it's just one or the other. There's no sense of ranking or
other. There's no sense of ranking or measurable order that you can create and
measurable order that you can create and the magnitude of difference while in the
the magnitude of difference while in the context of mortality
context of mortality you know consciously is say one is bad
you know consciously is say one is bad and one is not okay
and one is not okay that's not true for all patients
that's not true for all patients sometimes death is better for some
sometimes death is better for some patients like they want I've had
patients like they want I've had patients tell me I would rather be dead
patients tell me I would rather be dead than be staying alive because I'm
than be staying alive because I'm miserable Right? That's a whole separate
miserable Right? That's a whole separate debate. But the reality is that's in the
debate. But the reality is that's in the eye of the beholder, the person. Right?
eye of the beholder, the person. Right? So if you are if you're reading a study
So if you are if you're reading a study and the final outcome or objective,
and the final outcome or objective, i.e. the type of data question you're
i.e. the type of data question you're trying to answer is a yes or no or this
trying to answer is a yes or no or this or that
or that then you're in you're in nominal data
then you're in you're in nominal data especially if there's no sense of order.
especially if there's no sense of order. Now ordinal data has a sense of order.
Now ordinal data has a sense of order. ordinal order. There's a sk a ranking to
ordinal order. There's a sk a ranking to it and it's usually in a scale. But the
it and it's usually in a scale. But the problem with ordinal data is it doesn't
problem with ordinal data is it doesn't follow a normal distribution. So it's
follow a normal distribution. So it's not considered parametric data. There's
not considered parametric data. There's some usually outlier. That means the
some usually outlier. That means the median, mean, and mode are not in a
median, mean, and mode are not in a perfect alignment. Okay. The other thing
perfect alignment. Okay. The other thing that's important is when you're
that's important is when you're assessing the data, since there's an
assessing the data, since there's an order,
order, the magnitude of difference between each
the magnitude of difference between each level or order is not the same.
level or order is not the same. Not the same. So, let's look at some
Not the same. So, let's look at some examples. Think of New York heart
examples. Think of New York heart functional classification, which is a
functional classification, which is a subjective interpretation
subjective interpretation by the patient of their symptoms.
by the patient of their symptoms. Subjective. You can't measure it. Okay.
Subjective. You can't measure it. Okay. Well, how do you feel? Well, I'm short
Well, how do you feel? Well, I'm short of breath. Well, is that mild, moderate,
of breath. Well, is that mild, moderate, severe? I'm just short of breath.
severe? I'm just short of breath. Severe. Right. So, what is class one
Severe. Right. So, what is class one versus class two? Well, there's a
versus class two? Well, there's a magnitude. Clearly, there's a sense of
magnitude. Clearly, there's a sense of order, right? Class one is not near as
order, right? Class one is not near as bad as class three, and class two is not
bad as class three, and class two is not as bad as class 4. There's a step-wise
as bad as class 4. There's a step-wise order. It gets worse,
order. It gets worse, right? But the magnitude of difference
right? But the magnitude of difference is not measurable and is subjective.
is not measurable and is subjective. So class one to class two
So class one to class two versus class two to class 3, class 3 to
versus class two to class 3, class 3 to class 4. If you line those magnitudes of
class 4. If you line those magnitudes of difference up, that is what you see
difference up, that is what you see roughly. If that's the case, it cannot
roughly. If that's the case, it cannot be continuous and it can't be
be continuous and it can't be nominal. So there's a sense of order,
nominal. So there's a sense of order, there's a sense of rank, but the
there's a sense of rank, but the magnitude of difference is not the same.
magnitude of difference is not the same. So we talked about class uh uh heart
So we talked about class uh uh heart failure classification.
failure classification. Think about pain, mild, moderate to
Think about pain, mild, moderate to severe. Well, what there's a sense of
severe. Well, what there's a sense of ranking. It gets worse.
ranking. It gets worse. But what's the magnitude of difference
But what's the magnitude of difference between mild and moderate? And is that
between mild and moderate? And is that the same magnitude of difference between
the same magnitude of difference between moderate and severe?
moderate and severe? I don't know. I mean, how do you measure
I don't know. I mean, how do you measure it? How do you measure pain? Well, you
it? How do you measure pain? Well, you can say, "Oh, I did a pain scale." Well,
can say, "Oh, I did a pain scale." Well, then you have to define the intervals
then you have to define the intervals then.
then. So, what change is between mild to
So, what change is between mild to moderate? Is that the same as going from
moderate? Is that the same as going from moderate to severe? And if it's not,
moderate to severe? And if it's not, then you're dealing with ordinal data.
then you're dealing with ordinal data. Think of the well score for determining
Think of the well score for determining someone's risk of having a pulmonary
someone's risk of having a pulmonary embolism, a risk ratification tool.
embolism, a risk ratification tool. So, you got low, moderate, or high
So, you got low, moderate, or high probability. The magnitude of difference
probability. The magnitude of difference is not the same between those.
is not the same between those. It's not.
It's not. Okay. Is there a sense of order, sense
Okay. Is there a sense of order, sense of rank? Yes.
of rank? Yes. Now, when you start adding numbers to
Now, when you start adding numbers to it, that starts to merge into
it, that starts to merge into continuously treated data because now
continuously treated data because now the patient, especially pain,
the patient, especially pain, is consistent about how they perceive
is consistent about how they perceive their pain. Okay? And the scale can be
their pain. Okay? And the scale can be considered continuous at that point on
considered continuous at that point on sometimes, but most people tend to error
sometimes, but most people tend to error and treat it as ordinal to be on the
and treat it as ordinal to be on the safe side.
safe side. So with continuous data, we have a sense
So with continuous data, we have a sense of order and rank, but the data is
of order and rank, but the data is distributed normally. So that means
distributed normally. So that means there's no outliers. And now the
there's no outliers. And now the magnitude of difference is the same. So
magnitude of difference is the same. So let's think about blood pressure.
let's think about blood pressure. As I go up in blood pressure, each level
As I go up in blood pressure, each level that I go up is one one one one
that I go up is one one one one millimeters of mercury pressure. It's
millimeters of mercury pressure. It's the same. So there's a sense of order,
the same. So there's a sense of order, there's a sense of rank, the magnitude
there's a sense of rank, the magnitude of difference is the same.
of difference is the same. Now I can take blood pressure and make
Now I can take blood pressure and make it nominal because I say in my outcome
it nominal because I say in my outcome that I want to know how many people
that I want to know how many people achieve a blood pressure goal of 130 or
achieve a blood pressure goal of 130 or not.
not. So that's either a yes or no. You either
So that's either a yes or no. You either got less than 130 millimeters of record
got less than 130 millimeters of record pressure or you didn't.
pressure or you didn't. But if I ask and say I want to know what
But if I ask and say I want to know what this new drug's effect is on the average
this new drug's effect is on the average reduction in blood pressure, now I'm
reduction in blood pressure, now I'm treating it as continuous. So that's why
treating it as continuous. So that's why it is so
it is so important
important that you not only know what the question
that you not only know what the question is that's being asked, which goes all
is that's being asked, which goes all the way back to even pico picots,
the way back to even pico picots, okay? but that you understand what type
okay? but that you understand what type of data it is because then you pick the
of data it is because then you pick the wrong statistical analysis. So classic
wrong statistical analysis. So classic example of continuous data are things
example of continuous data are things that you can measure
that you can measure labs pulse temperature blood pressure.
labs pulse temperature blood pressure. But if you put a cut point like you're
But if you put a cut point like you're doing screenings for diabetes,
remember you have pre-diabetes or they a diabetic. Well, that's a cut point. So
diabetic. Well, that's a cut point. So they're either above it or they're below
they're either above it or they're below it.
it. Okay, that's changes things.
Okay, that's changes things. So that gets to the type of data. So
So that gets to the type of data. So let's think about some examples. Okay,
let's think about some examples. Okay, applying a new drug is being evaluated
applying a new drug is being evaluated to see if there is a mortality benefit.
to see if there is a mortality benefit. So what is the question
So what is the question at the end of the study? Okay, send me
at the end of the study? Okay, send me patient, you know, uh number 15.
patient, you know, uh number 15. What's my question? Are you dead or are
What's my question? Are you dead or are you alive?
you alive? Well, they're in a bag, sir. Well, okay.
Well, they're in a bag, sir. Well, okay. One or the other, right? So, if they're
One or the other, right? So, if they're dead or alive, there's no sense of
dead or alive, there's no sense of order. There's no sense of ranking.
order. There's no sense of ranking. There's no magnitude of difference.
There's no magnitude of difference. between them. So it's nominal, it's
between them. So it's nominal, it's dichomous. There's a binomial
dichomous. There's a binomial distribution that you can start to see
distribution that you can start to see happening. Okay? They might, by the way,
happening. Okay? They might, by the way, give you graphical data
give you graphical data and ask you to describe what type of
and ask you to describe what type of data do you think it is or best
data do you think it is or best describes it. That's fair.
describes it. That's fair. If they give you a bell curve and they
If they give you a bell curve and they tell you the mean, median, and mode are
tell you the mean, median, and mode are roughly the same or they show those
roughly the same or they show those numbers to you and they're roughly
numbers to you and they're roughly equal, that is parametric data until
equal, that is parametric data until proven otherwise. That is likely
proven otherwise. That is likely continuous data if you have to guess.
continuous data if you have to guess. Okay? So you can work both directions.
Okay? So you can work both directions. All right. Are there any differences in
All right. Are there any differences in outcome based on gender, male or female?
outcome based on gender, male or female? Okay. Yes or no. So the end of the
Okay. Yes or no. So the end of the study, does it impact it? Is there a
study, does it impact it? Is there a magnitude of difference? Not going to go
magnitude of difference? Not going to go there,
there, right? But you know, it's nominal data.
right? But you know, it's nominal data. What about taking blood pressure and
What about taking blood pressure and creating a cut point, right? So I want
creating a cut point, right? So I want to achieve a goal. We're all goal driven
to achieve a goal. We're all goal driven guidelines and metrics. How many
guidelines and metrics. How many patients are at goal?
patients are at goal? Well, we're thinking of like hemoglobin
Well, we're thinking of like hemoglobin A1C's, LDLs,
A1C's, LDLs, you know, their blood pressure. Well,
you know, their blood pressure. Well, when you have a cut point, you are now
when you have a cut point, you are now turning continuous data into a yes or no
turning continuous data into a yes or no question. So, is there a sense of order?
question. So, is there a sense of order? Well, we yeah, you can say, well, I
Well, we yeah, you can say, well, I think it's better to be less than
think it's better to be less than greater than. Sure. But there's no sense
greater than. Sure. But there's no sense of ranking or order. And the magnitude
of ranking or order. And the magnitude of difference is not the same because
of difference is not the same because it's yes or no. Okay, you didn't say
it's yes or no. Okay, you didn't say like the average. What if somebody's
like the average. What if somebody's less than 130? What if that's 90
less than 130? What if that's 90 millimeters of mercury pressure and the
millimeters of mercury pressure and the ones above it are 132? A big difference.
ones above it are 132? A big difference. Okay, so they're not the same. So it's
Okay, so they're not the same. So it's being treated when you have a goal as
being treated when you have a goal as nominal. So in this case, if I have two
nominal. So in this case, if I have two independent groups that were randomly
independent groups that were randomly assigned to give a new blood pressure
assigned to give a new blood pressure medication and I wanted to see those who
medication and I wanted to see those who got the blood pressure medication versus
got the blood pressure medication versus placebo and how many have achieved their
placebo and how many have achieved their goals.
goals. Well, I've got two independent groups.
Well, I've got two independent groups. I'm treating it as nominal data. I'm
I'm treating it as nominal data. I'm either going to pick a kai squared or a
either going to pick a kai squared or a fiser exact. And you may say, well, what
fiser exact. And you may say, well, what happens best I if they put both answer
happens best I if they put both answer choices there? Okay,
choices there? Okay, quite honestly this day and age
quite honestly this day and age it really doesn't matter because
it really doesn't matter because Fischer's exact was just easier to
Fischer's exact was just easier to calculate when it was a smaller. It's a
calculate when it was a smaller. It's a exact number whereas kai squared is not
exact number whereas kai squared is not the exact but as you get up large in
the exact but as you get up large in samples where you would use a kai
samples where you would use a kai squared it's the fiser's exact almost
squared it's the fiser's exact almost looks exactly the same. It's just really
looks exactly the same. It's just really hard to calculate manually. But who on
hard to calculate manually. But who on earth is calculating a fissures exact
earth is calculating a fissures exact manually anymore? Nobody. Because you
manually anymore? Nobody. Because you have SPSS or you have SASS and all these
have SPSS or you have SASS and all these other programs that can do it for you in
other programs that can do it for you in milliseconds.
milliseconds. Okay. But the reality is small sample
Okay. But the reality is small sample sizes or where the frequency of
sizes or where the frequency of distribution of the occurrence in one
distribution of the occurrence in one group is less than 5% or current less
group is less than 5% or current less than 20. Many times people will choose
than 20. Many times people will choose Fischer's exact, but they're going to
Fischer's exact, but they're going to make it very clear to you if they want
make it very clear to you if they want you to split airs. Okay? But if the
you to split airs. Okay? But if the sample size is large, you could use
sample size is large, you could use either one. It's just if it's small.
either one. It's just if it's small. Well, what's small? Some people say 30,
Well, what's small? Some people say 30, some people say 20. I've read papers on
some people say 20. I've read papers on both. So, it will be clear that it's a
both. So, it will be clear that it's a very small sample size, probably less
very small sample size, probably less than 20. Okay. All right. All right. So,
than 20. Okay. All right. All right. So, a randomized control trial was done
a randomized control trial was done to assess the average reduction in blood
to assess the average reduction in blood pressure with a new anti-hypertensive
pressure with a new anti-hypertensive medication compared to placebo.
medication compared to placebo. So now in the average group or reduction
So now in the average group or reduction in the patients receiving it was
in the patients receiving it was receiving placebo was five. Those who
receiving placebo was five. Those who got the new drug on average had eight
got the new drug on average had eight millimeters of mercury pressure. Is that
millimeters of mercury pressure. Is that statistically significant? That's your p
statistically significant? That's your p values, right? Is it clinically
values, right? Is it clinically relevant? That's ter that is determined
relevant? That's ter that is determined by you, not a p value. Okay. Is it
by you, not a p value. Okay. Is it clinically relevant? Okay. Well, that
clinically relevant? Okay. Well, that may be depend on a few other things. Is
may be depend on a few other things. Is there a sense of ranking in the
there a sense of ranking in the situation? Yes. Okay. Is there a sense
situation? Yes. Okay. Is there a sense of order? Yes. And is the magnitude of
of order? Yes. And is the magnitude of difference the diff the same in blood
difference the diff the same in blood pressure? Yes. Okay. So, we can measure
pressure? Yes. Okay. So, we can measure it. So, this is continuous data. So we
it. So, this is continuous data. So we have two independent groups with
have two independent groups with continuous data. It's going to be a
continuous data. It's going to be a student's t test or man Whitney u. Well,
student's t test or man Whitney u. Well, you see man Whitney u showing up in the
you see man Whitney u showing up in the ordinal data.
ordinal data. Okay. So when would you choose a man
Okay. So when would you choose a man whitney u for measurement of a
whitney u for measurement of a continuous variable? When there is an
continuous variable? When there is an outlier,
outlier, when your median and your mode, I'm
when your median and your mode, I'm sorry, your median and your mean are not
sorry, your median and your mean are not lining up or they show you a
lining up or they show you a distribution of data and it's skewed to
distribution of data and it's skewed to the left or to the right. That means you
the left or to the right. That means you have a tail. It's not this perfect
have a tail. It's not this perfect binomial distribution. There's some tail
binomial distribution. There's some tail and then there's a peak at the end,
and then there's a peak at the end, right? one way or the other, left skewed
right? one way or the other, left skewed or right skewed, positively or
or right skewed, positively or negatively skewed, something is pulling
negatively skewed, something is pulling the average and it's usually an outlier
the average and it's usually an outlier to a difference. And that's why you use
to a difference. And that's why you use a median in that situation because you
a median in that situation because you don't want the outlier
don't want the outlier that doesn't reflect largely of the
that doesn't reflect largely of the group to influence it because remember
group to influence it because remember you're studying a sample out of the
you're studying a sample out of the population
population and you're trying to extrapolate it back
and you're trying to extrapolate it back to the population. All right. So, I
to the population. All right. So, I mentioned P values
mentioned P values and what do they tell you and what do
and what do they tell you and what do they not tell you? Don't fall into this
they not tell you? Don't fall into this trap. But they may ask you to interpret
trap. But they may ask you to interpret a p value like literally what does a
a p value like literally what does a number mean? Not is it significant or
number mean? Not is it significant or not? I mean 5-year-old can do that with
not? I mean 5-year-old can do that with a little basic instruction, right? So
a little basic instruction, right? So the study endpoint of a p value that
the study endpoint of a p value that found the p value to be 0.003.
So how would you define that and you compare it to another study endpoint of
compare it to another study endpoint of 0.001?
0.001? Well
Well remember
remember which one is more significant. All
which one is more significant. All right. So, it says here the question is,
right. So, it says here the question is, which of the following results has the
which of the following results has the greater clinical significance? And the
greater clinical significance? And the answer is neither one of them because P
answer is neither one of them because P values have nothing to do with clinical
values have nothing to do with clinical significance or even clinical relevance.
significance or even clinical relevance. It just tells you whether or not the
It just tells you whether or not the results that you found
results that you found are due to chance or random error.
are due to chance or random error. That's it. So if you interpret that a p
That's it. So if you interpret that a p value of 0.003,
value of 0.003, you move the decimal point over two
you move the decimal point over two places and you get there is a
places and you get there is a 3% chance
3% chance that the results of this clinical trial
that the results of this clinical trial that was done are due to random error or
that was done are due to random error or by chance alone. Well, that's pretty
by chance alone. Well, that's pretty small. Well, what does that mean? That
small. Well, what does that mean? That means the results are real.
means the results are real. If I'm gonna gamble, they're probably
If I'm gonna gamble, they're probably real. That means the real thing is
real. That means the real thing is probably true, valid. Now, I so may have
probably true, valid. Now, I so may have to ask myself, is that difference
to ask myself, is that difference clinically significant or relevant? But
clinically significant or relevant? But that's a separate question.
that's a separate question. The 01 is a 1% chance due to random. So
The 01 is a 1% chance due to random. So as the p value gets smaller, that's why
as the p value gets smaller, that's why we want small p values because we want
we want small p values because we want the chance of it being random error or
the chance of it being random error or chance alone to be low. Okay, confidence
chance alone to be low. Okay, confidence intervals are looking at where is the
intervals are looking at where is the true population result. So when we get a
true population result. So when we get a 95% confidence interval, we have to look
95% confidence interval, we have to look at the type of data. Are we dealing with
at the type of data. Are we dealing with ratios or um or not? So study endpoints
ratios or um or not? So study endpoints like hazards ratios, relative risk, risk
like hazards ratios, relative risk, risk ratio. If the 95% confidence interval
ratio. If the 95% confidence interval includes 1.00,
includes 1.00, it cannot be statistically significant.
it cannot be statistically significant. Cannot.
Cannot. Okay.
Okay. Um so these are examples for which both
Um so these are examples for which both of these do not include 1.00
of these do not include 1.00 and therefore have p values that are
and therefore have p values that are less than 0.05. What are they? What are
less than 0.05. What are they? What are the exact p values? I don't know. You
the exact p values? I don't know. You can't discern that from this. You just
can't discern that from this. You just know it is statistically
know it is statistically significant. Okay.
significant. Okay. Now, how do you interpret the relative
Now, how do you interpret the relative risk? So, you can see relative risk of
risk? So, you can see relative risk of studying 0.1 is a relative risk of 665.
studying 0.1 is a relative risk of 665. That's not 65% reduction in the risk.
That's not 65% reduction in the risk. That's the wrong answer. They will have
That's the wrong answer. They will have it as an answer choice guaranteed.
it as an answer choice guaranteed. They're looking for the person to
They're looking for the person to understand it. Remember it's the
understand it. Remember it's the difference from one because one is no
difference from one because one is no difference.
difference. So you have to do 1 minus 65 and you
So you have to do 1 minus 65 and you get.35. And therefore that is a 35% of
get.35. And therefore that is a 35% of the risk
the risk of whatever outcome you were talking
of whatever outcome you were talking about was removed from that patient
about was removed from that patient population because of the intervention.
population because of the intervention. So that's why in most cases we want
So that's why in most cases we want relative risk to be less than one. But
relative risk to be less than one. But if you're talking about survival, I
if you're talking about survival, I might want the relative risk to be
might want the relative risk to be greater than one.
greater than one. Okay? Or it's above one. I don't want
Okay? Or it's above one. I don't want less people surviving because of the
less people surviving because of the intervention. So you have to get
intervention. So you have to get oriented because if you're talking about
oriented because if you're talking about ratios, then it if it includes 1.0, then
ratios, then it if it includes 1.0, then it cannot be statistically significant.
it cannot be statistically significant. If you're talking about means or
If you're talking about means or averages, now you're getting into 0.0 in
averages, now you're getting into 0.0 in the confidence interval. And if it
the confidence interval. And if it includes that it cannot be statistically
includes that it cannot be statistically significant. Now number needed to treat
significant. Now number needed to treat and number needed to harm. You should be
and number needed to harm. You should be able to calculate this and calculate it
able to calculate this and calculate it very quickly. It is not hard and they're
very quickly. It is not hard and they're calculated exactly the same. So there's
calculated exactly the same. So there's nothing difficult about it. You're just
nothing difficult about it. You're just taking the reciprocal of the absolute
taking the reciprocal of the absolute risk reduction. Okay. Or absolute
risk reduction. Okay. Or absolute relative risk increase. Okay. So number
relative risk increase. Okay. So number needed to treat is how many patients do
needed to treat is how many patients do I have to treat for one of those to
I have to treat for one of those to benefit. So guess what you want NT
benefit. So guess what you want NT to be a very low number whereas number
to be a very low number whereas number needed to harm is how many patients do I
needed to harm is how many patients do I have to treat before one patient gets
have to treat before one patient gets harmed and we want N&H to be a big
harmed and we want N&H to be a big number right we don't want many people
number right we don't want many people to have a bad experience but if someone
to have a bad experience but if someone does we want it to be after a million
does we want it to be after a million people got it one person had an out a
people got it one person had an out a bad reaction Okay.
Okay. So, we usually want a large number needed to harm and a small number
number needed to harm and a small number needed to treat. That's an easy test
needed to treat. That's an easy test question to give you, okay, is to to to
question to give you, okay, is to to to ask you what are the characteristics of
ask you what are the characteristics of an ideal number needed to treat or an
an ideal number needed to treat or an ideal number needed to harm. No
ideal number needed to harm. No different than the therapeutic index of
different than the therapeutic index of a drug. The LD50 divided by the ED50.
a drug. The LD50 divided by the ED50. You want the LD50 to be very large
You want the LD50 to be very large compared to the ED50. Why? Because if
compared to the ED50. Why? Because if you accidentally overdose, you are not
you accidentally overdose, you are not going to die. So the larger the
going to die. So the larger the therapeutic index, the safer the drug.
therapeutic index, the safer the drug. Okay?
Okay? So let's do an example here. So you do
So let's do an example here. So you do drug X versus placebo. Patients are done
drug X versus placebo. Patients are done in a randomized control trial. We follow
in a randomized control trial. We follow the patients for four weeks and we
the patients for four weeks and we assess whether or not they develop a
assess whether or not they develop a acute mocardial infarction. So we have
acute mocardial infarction. So we have two independent groups.
two independent groups. There's no crossover. There's no wash
There's no crossover. There's no wash out period. They're independent of each
out period. They're independent of each other and the determination of the
other and the determination of the outcome is did they have a heart attack
outcome is did they have a heart attack or not. So we're talking about nominal
or not. So we're talking about nominal data. Group A that got the drug had 5%
data. Group A that got the drug had 5% of them had an MI whereas the placebo
of them had an MI whereas the placebo group 15. So you can just see that the
group 15. So you can just see that the patients who got the drug had less heart
patients who got the drug had less heart attacks just period just looking at it.
attacks just period just looking at it. So how much of a benefit right? So
So how much of a benefit right? So remember it's the difference. So it's a
remember it's the difference. So it's a subtraction. So you take the incidence
subtraction. So you take the incidence of the two
of the two just subtract it. So 0.15 minus 005 is
just subtract it. So 0.15 minus 005 is 010. You take the reciprocal 1 divided
010. You take the reciprocal 1 divided by10.
by10. So this math is almost something that
So this math is almost something that you can do in your head or with a simple
you can do in your head or with a simple calculator on the computer and the
calculator on the computer and the answer is 10. Now you don't just stop
answer is 10. Now you don't just stop right there. You have to put the 10 in
right there. You have to put the 10 in the context of the study. So, you have
the context of the study. So, you have to treat 10 patients for four weeks with
to treat 10 patients for four weeks with this new drug X for one patient to not
this new drug X for one patient to not experience a heart attack. Is that worth
experience a heart attack. Is that worth it? Well, it depends maybe on the cost
it? Well, it depends maybe on the cost of the drug. It depends on um what it
of the drug. It depends on um what it costs to have a heart attack. I mean,
costs to have a heart attack. I mean, quite honestly, it's cheaper if you die.
quite honestly, it's cheaper if you die. Most cases, right? I mean, just think
Most cases, right? I mean, just think about it. You don't have to go to doctor
about it. You don't have to go to doctor visits and be on four medications and go
visits and be on four medications and go to Kath lab or be in the ICU or all
to Kath lab or be in the ICU or all these things. Get a helicopter ride if
these things. Get a helicopter ride if you're in the rural area. I mean, a
you're in the rural area. I mean, a helicopter taxi trip to the hospital is
helicopter taxi trip to the hospital is $35,000.
It's a lot of money, right? So, you you have to think through these are what
have to think through these are what makes the decisions a little bit hard.
makes the decisions a little bit hard. Now, let's throw back in here of
Now, let's throw back in here of application. What statistical test
application. What statistical test should we have done? We have two
should we have done? We have two independent groups. Nominal data again
independent groups. Nominal data again kai squared or fissures exact depending
kai squared or fissures exact depending on the sample size and the frequency of
on the sample size and the frequency of occurrence. Well, what about number
occurrence. Well, what about number needed to harm? Same thing. So this is
needed to harm? Same thing. So this is the cure study looking at those tree
the cure study looking at those tree with aspirin in the group A. They look
with aspirin in the group A. They look at the risk of bleeding 2.7%. You can
at the risk of bleeding 2.7%. You can see the people that take aspirin plus
see the people that take aspirin plus plavix
plavix clearly have more bleeding. Duh.
clearly have more bleeding. Duh. Okay. Well, is it that relevant? Well, I
Okay. Well, is it that relevant? Well, I guess define bleeding. Oh, um, blood
guess define bleeding. Oh, um, blood came squirting out of the eyeball and
came squirting out of the eyeball and they died. Oh, that's that's kind of
they died. Oh, that's that's kind of relevant, right? Spontaneous subaractoid
relevant, right? Spontaneous subaractoid hemorrhage or subdural hematomas or
hemorrhage or subdural hematomas or epidural hematomas. Okay, that's kind of
epidural hematomas. Okay, that's kind of relevant, right? So, you do the same
relevant, right? So, you do the same thing. You just take the difference in
thing. You just take the difference in the incidence. So, 0.037
the incidence. So, 0.037 uh minus 0.027, you get 0.01. take the
uh minus 0.027, you get 0.01. take the reciprocal of it, you get a 100. So I
reciprocal of it, you get a 100. So I have to treat a 100 patients with
have to treat a 100 patients with aspirin and copitigil for one of them to
aspirin and copitigil for one of them to have a major bleed. Okay? So again, you
have a major bleed. Okay? So again, you want to go, well, what's a major bleed
want to go, well, what's a major bleed and and how long do I have to treat
and and how long do I have to treat them? Well, that go back to the original
them? Well, that go back to the original data. All right, let's uh finish off by
data. All right, let's uh finish off by talking about systematic reviews and
talking about systematic reviews and meta analysis since they are growing in
meta analysis since they are growing in their um you know, basically
their um you know, basically publications, more people are doing
publications, more people are doing them. Um, I see people misunderstanding
them. Um, I see people misunderstanding uh systematic reviews and meta analysis
uh systematic reviews and meta analysis because they just assume, oh, it's a
because they just assume, oh, it's a meta analysis. It must that's the best
meta analysis. It must that's the best thing you want because they see the
thing you want because they see the pictures of the pyramid where meta
pictures of the pyramid where meta analysis is at the top. The underlying
analysis is at the top. The underlying assumption about a meta analysis being
assumption about a meta analysis being at the top is that it's got good data
at the top is that it's got good data coming in. If it's junk in, it's junk
coming in. If it's junk in, it's junk out. Okay?
out. Okay? So, a systematic review is almost always
So, a systematic review is almost always done before a meta analysis.
done before a meta analysis. So systematic is reproducible follows
So systematic is reproducible follows rules just like a clinical trial has
rules just like a clinical trial has inclusion exclusion criteria is rules
inclusion exclusion criteria is rules that are a priority defined.
that are a priority defined. Okay. And it's a review of studies that
Okay. And it's a review of studies that means clinical trials with data not
means clinical trials with data not review articles. A systematic review is
review articles. A systematic review is not a review article because review
not a review article because review articles can put whatever they want in
articles can put whatever they want in there. Yes, they summarize, reviews,
there. Yes, they summarize, reviews, studies, they may review a newspaper
studies, they may review a newspaper article or someone's opinion or give
article or someone's opinion or give their own opinion or all this stuff. And
their own opinion or all this stuff. And there's no inclusion and exclusion
there's no inclusion and exclusion criteria or protocol that is followed in
criteria or protocol that is followed in writing a review article. But at the end
writing a review article. But at the end of a systematic review, you are just
of a systematic review, you are just qualitatively
qualitatively summarizing in words
summarizing in words and articulating what did these studies
and articulating what did these studies find.
find. Okay? Whereas a metaanalysis takes it to
Okay? Whereas a metaanalysis takes it to the next level and does say okay let's
the next level and does say okay let's take all those studies that were done in
take all those studies that were done in the systematic review and let's pull all
the systematic review and let's pull all their data together and quantitatively
their data together and quantitatively come up with a number or what is called
come up with a number or what is called a pulled estimate or sometimes also
a pulled estimate or sometimes also referred as a summary statistic.
referred as a summary statistic. People use different lingo but it's the
People use different lingo but it's the overall outcome and what is the
overall outcome and what is the magnitude of the effect. Well, most of
magnitude of the effect. Well, most of the time these are presented in forest
the time these are presented in forest plots. And this is an example of a
plots. And this is an example of a forest plot from a stroke study where
forest plot from a stroke study where TPA was followed by endovvascular
TPA was followed by endovvascular therapy. And you can get oriented by
therapy. And you can get oriented by just looking at it. But a forest plot
just looking at it. But a forest plot got its name because they turned the
got its name because they turned the thing or someone's paper got turned
thing or someone's paper got turned around and said, "Looks like a forest.
around and said, "Looks like a forest. Those look like trees." I guess if
Those look like trees." I guess if you're smoking marijuana, yes, that is
you're smoking marijuana, yes, that is probably the case. But that's how it got
probably the case. But that's how it got its name. When you're reading a forest
its name. When you're reading a forest plot, get oriented. That means look at
plot, get oriented. That means look at the data. So they're telling you this is
the data. So they're telling you this is odds ratio. Okay, that's what type of
odds ratio. Okay, that's what type of data you're talking about. They also
data you're talking about. They also tell you which side of the line that's
tell you which side of the line that's going down the middle which is the point
going down the middle which is the point of no difference.
of no difference. Okay, is it favoring the standard
Okay, is it favoring the standard therapy which is not doing endovvascular
therapy which is not doing endovvascular therapy or favoring endovvascular
therapy or favoring endovvascular therapy? And you can just clearly see
therapy? And you can just clearly see without knowing a single thing about any
without knowing a single thing about any of these papers that they all seem to be
of these papers that they all seem to be lining up saying endovvascular therapy
lining up saying endovvascular therapy is beneficial.
is beneficial. Now the line of no difference or no
Now the line of no difference or no significance is one because you're
significance is one because you're talking about a ratio. What if it was
talking about a ratio. What if it was relative risk? Still be one. What if I
relative risk? Still be one. What if I was talking about hazards ratio? Still
was talking about hazards ratio? Still be one. What if I was talking about a a
be one. What if I was talking about a a risk ratio? Still be one. One one one.
risk ratio? Still be one. One one one. So again goes back to that 95%
So again goes back to that 95% confidence interval. That is the line of
confidence interval. That is the line of no significant that means the number
no significant that means the number numerator and the denominator are the
numerator and the denominator are the same. They are therefore equal. Okay.
same. They are therefore equal. Okay. The square uh is called a blob and the
The square uh is called a blob and the size of that blob is influenced by the
size of that blob is influenced by the size of the study. So usually as the
size of the study. So usually as the sample size goes up the size of the blob
sample size goes up the size of the blob goes up. The reason that the blobs are
goes up. The reason that the blobs are important is you have to put the blob in
important is you have to put the blob in the context of the summary statistic or
the context of the summary statistic or pulled estimate at the bottom. the big
pulled estimate at the bottom. the big diamond. And you see that most of the
diamond. And you see that most of the data is that's influencing the summary
data is that's influencing the summary statistic or pulled estimate is the
statistic or pulled estimate is the largest blob because it's just linearly
largest blob because it's just linearly lining up to it. The lines that are
lining up to it. The lines that are going around it represent the confidence
going around it represent the confidence interval. So if those confidence
interval. So if those confidence intervals do not cross the line of no
intervals do not cross the line of no difference, guess what? Then all of
difference, guess what? Then all of these studies are statistically
these studies are statistically significant. Okay? And so that's this
significant. Okay? And so that's this pulled summary statistic or pulled
pulled summary statistic or pulled estimate. Now when you look at this in
estimate. Now when you look at this in closer that is the point estimate that
closer that is the point estimate that point where the arrow is pointing right
point where the arrow is pointing right the sides represent and the width of
the sides represent and the width of that diamond correspond to the
that diamond correspond to the confidence interval for the pulled
confidence interval for the pulled estimate. So when you look at these two
estimate. So when you look at these two pulled results, which one has a larger
pulled results, which one has a larger 95% confidence interval?
95% confidence interval? pulled result two. Okay, probably due to
pulled result two. Okay, probably due to smaller sample sizes whereas pulled one
smaller sample sizes whereas pulled one you can just infer probably has a larger
you can just infer probably has a larger sample size. Now we told you that the
sample size. Now we told you that the the the blob size is influenced by the
the the blob size is influenced by the number of patients and you can just see
number of patients and you can just see now that when you give when we give you
now that when you give when we give you the rest of the image that when you look
the rest of the image that when you look at the forest plot it should line up
at the forest plot it should line up with your data. If it doesn't then
with your data. If it doesn't then something's wrong. They're not telling
something's wrong. They're not telling the truth somewhere. That's why you need
the truth somewhere. That's why you need to know how to read and interpret some
to know how to read and interpret some of this stuff. But clearly, if you look
of this stuff. But clearly, if you look at the totals there, 103, 98, 267, 150,
at the totals there, 103, 98, 267, 150, 35, those are the number of patients.
35, those are the number of patients. Clearly, the largest blob, which is has
Clearly, the largest blob, which is has the greatest influence on the poolled
the greatest influence on the poolled estimate has the is also the largest
estimate has the is also the largest study, whereas the smallest study has
study, whereas the smallest study has the smallest blob and a very wide
the smallest blob and a very wide confidence interval. And it only had 35
confidence interval. And it only had 35 patients, extend 1A. And the reason
patients, extend 1A. And the reason extend 1A uh only has one patient is
extend 1A uh only has one patient is because it was stopped early. It was
because it was stopped early. It was considered unethical to continue the
considered unethical to continue the study because the other p papers
study because the other p papers basically all came out in the same year.
basically all came out in the same year. You can see the year 2015 2015 2015
You can see the year 2015 2015 2015 that it was considered unethical to
that it was considered unethical to continue to do extend 1A at that point.
continue to do extend 1A at that point. So they stopped the study. Does that
So they stopped the study. Does that mean extend 1A is irrelevant? No.
mean extend 1A is irrelevant? No. group of researchers
group of researchers did an appropriate systematic review
did an appropriate systematic review included all data. Okay.
included all data. Okay. All right. So, that was uh a the
All right. So, that was uh a the quickest and most efficient
quickest and most efficient um
um EBM rapid review that I could uh
EBM rapid review that I could uh possibly pull off for you. Um, and
possibly pull off for you. Um, and hopefully you found that to be useful at
hopefully you found that to be useful at covering the most likely high yield
covering the most likely high yield points of interpretation and
points of interpretation and application. And you're like, "All
application. And you're like, "All right, bust eye. So, uh, now that I'm,
right, bust eye. So, uh, now that I'm, uh, drooing on myself and have a flat
uh, drooing on myself and have a flat effect, what is some of the good news?"
effect, what is some of the good news?" Because I told you guys I had some good
Because I told you guys I had some good news for you. And we do. We're excited
news for you. And we do. We're excited about some new content and we worked
about some new content and we worked hard. We had some technological issues
hard. We had some technological issues with some of the rendering of the videos
with some of the rendering of the videos and using a new format and studio that
and using a new format and studio that we are um doing. Um so it took a little
we are um doing. Um so it took a little bit longer but we I worked really hard
bit longer but we I worked really hard told the team we've got to get it out
told the team we've got to get it out because these folks have got exams
because these folks have got exams coming up. And so we have a number of
coming up. And so we have a number of new series that we're pushing to your
new series that we're pushing to your accounts uh free. Okay. So you'll start
accounts uh free. Okay. So you'll start seeing these. you will receive an alert
seeing these. you will receive an alert uh which is either in the form of some
uh which is either in the form of some sort of email or something like that. Um
sort of email or something like that. Um you will also if you just open up your
you will also if you just open up your account you'll start to see the content.
account you'll start to see the content. So the team is still programming
So the team is still programming everybody's accounts
everybody's accounts uh to get access to this. Um I wanted to
uh to get access to this. Um I wanted to go through some of these. There's
go through some of these. There's another slide on here with some more
another slide on here with some more content. So some of this is applicable
content. So some of this is applicable to some of you and more. Right? So, the
to some of you and more. Right? So, the BPS reviews have been trying to hit a
BPS reviews have been trying to hit a number of different areas that depending
number of different areas that depending on what exam you're taking, it it
on what exam you're taking, it it applies. But in our antimicrobial
applies. But in our antimicrobial stewardship series,
stewardship series, um there are 19 focused lectures ranging
um there are 19 focused lectures ranging on topics of how bacteria become
on topics of how bacteria become resistant, you know, uh antibiotic side
resistant, you know, uh antibiotic side effects and reviews, but also clinical
effects and reviews, but also clinical environments. So it's not just
environments. So it's not just antimicrobial stewardship in the ICU or
antimicrobial stewardship in the ICU or the hospital but antimicrobial
the hospital but antimicrobial stewardship especially by the guidelines
stewardship especially by the guidelines CDC
CDC IDSA
IDSA um
um uh
uh Chia those other groups uh even JCO
Chia those other groups uh even JCO accreditation standards represent all
accreditation standards represent all clinical environments. So we cover also
clinical environments. So we cover also nursing homes,
nursing homes, uh outpatient,
uh outpatient, uh clinic, family medicine, ambulatory
uh clinic, family medicine, ambulatory care, dentistry, the emergency
care, dentistry, the emergency department and then of course hospital
department and then of course hospital uh environment and then we also have a
uh environment and then we also have a series of review of high-risk diagnoses
series of review of high-risk diagnoses that are metrics for many institutions
that are metrics for many institutions for inappropriate
for inappropriate antibiotic use. So things like strep
antibiotic use. So things like strep fngitis, bronchitis, sinocitis, UTI,
soft tissue infections, all those high risk um things. So we're super excited
risk um things. So we're super excited about this. We spent a lot of time
about this. We spent a lot of time developing it, went through lots of
developing it, went through lots of guidelines and material. It's fairly
guidelines and material. It's fairly robust. Um, and we tried to keep the
robust. Um, and we tried to keep the lectures focused and small enough to
lectures focused and small enough to where you could spend time focusing on
where you could spend time focusing on the area that's relevant for you. So,
the area that's relevant for you. So, super excited about that. It will also
super excited about that. It will also come with an ebook to your accounts um,
come with an ebook to your accounts um, as well. So, for your BCIDP folks, for
as well. So, for your BCIDP folks, for sure, hands down. Some of you BCPS
sure, hands down. Some of you BCPS people that are in the inpatient and
people that are in the inpatient and need some additional, there's some
need some additional, there's some content in there for you. uh BCAACP the
content in there for you. uh BCAACP the outpatient antimicrobial stewardship is
outpatient antimicrobial stewardship is there for you. Uh so super excited about
there for you. Uh so super excited about that. Uh then to dive a little bit
that. Uh then to dive a little bit deeper into those of you at ambulatory
deeper into those of you at ambulatory care family medicine
care family medicine um you know folks we have uh Dr. Boland
um you know folks we have uh Dr. Boland put together and and I um because prior
put together and and I um because prior to emergency medicine I did a lot of
to emergency medicine I did a lot of ambulatory care, primary care medicine.
ambulatory care, primary care medicine. Um we did seven focused lectures on
Um we did seven focused lectures on primary prevention topics. Um not only
primary prevention topics. Um not only addressing the newly released uh healthy
addressing the newly released uh healthy people 20 uh the 2030
people 20 uh the 2030 uh guidelines but also things like
uh guidelines but also things like public health screening exams, you know,
public health screening exams, you know, labs and screening tools and patient
labs and screening tools and patient populations from pediatrics to women's
populations from pediatrics to women's health to oncology patients, uh
health to oncology patients, uh infectious diseases. Um so cancer
infectious diseases. Um so cancer screenings and all the nine yards. Uh so
screenings and all the nine yards. Uh so this is a a really unique um compilation
this is a a really unique um compilation of topics related to primary prevention
of topics related to primary prevention which should be our focus uh in
which should be our focus uh in healthcare and this movement is growing.
healthcare and this movement is growing. The next is an obesity series. There's
The next is an obesity series. There's been a lot of evolution of drugs um even
been a lot of evolution of drugs um even including some of the diabetic drugs in
including some of the diabetic drugs in this group. So there's three focus
this group. So there's three focus lectures on obesity. We do a general
lectures on obesity. We do a general overview and then we dive a little
overview and then we dive a little deeper or Dr. Boland does dive a lot
deeper or Dr. Boland does dive a lot deeper into lifestyle, nutrition,
deeper into lifestyle, nutrition, activity issues and then there's even
activity issues and then there's even been some position statements and some
been some position statements and some guidelines that have been published
guidelines that have been published recently in the context of obesity as it
recently in the context of obesity as it relates to cardiovascular disease
relates to cardiovascular disease specifically.
specifically. Um that's we're digging deeper because
Um that's we're digging deeper because of our our culture and the number and
of our our culture and the number and the endemic uh epidemic of obesity in
the endemic uh epidemic of obesity in this country. And then lastly um the
this country. And then lastly um the diabetes section. We know that like
diabetes section. We know that like oncology and some other areas some
oncology and some other areas some topics get uh updated more frequently
topics get uh updated more frequently and so you have to be careful with this
and so you have to be careful with this on some exams. But we felt like these
on some exams. But we felt like these lectures are now contentwise
lectures are now contentwise sufficient uh for some of the new data
sufficient uh for some of the new data that's come out in the last 6 to 12
that's come out in the last 6 to 12 months. Um and so we did an updated type
months. Um and so we did an updated type one and type two lectures. Um and Dr.
one and type two lectures. Um and Dr. Bolan went into uh greater detail on
Bolan went into uh greater detail on some of the technology monitoring issues
some of the technology monitoring issues like um continuous glucose monitoring
like um continuous glucose monitoring strategies and things like that that are
strategies and things like that that are applicable.
applicable. um and then went into some what we call
um and then went into some what we call special focal focused series on the
special focal focused series on the GLP-1 receptor agonist and the SGLT2
GLP-1 receptor agonist and the SGLT2 inhibitors in the context of all these
inhibitors in the context of all these new indications
new indications uh within context of heart failure, CKD
uh within context of heart failure, CKD and CBD. So all of these topics as it's
and CBD. So all of these topics as it's applicable to your exam and review will
applicable to your exam and review will be pushed to your accounts
be pushed to your accounts free to you guys. We are pumped and
free to you guys. We are pumped and excited about that. They will become
excited about that. They will become standard parts of our packages moving
standard parts of our packages moving forward. For those of you taking future
forward. For those of you taking future exams, we have other um
exams, we have other um content that is going to be um coming
content that is going to be um coming out. So, we're constantly investing in
out. So, we're constantly investing in new content, constantly bringing you
new content, constantly bringing you guys new uh QBank. By the way, for
guys new uh QBank. By the way, for antimicrobial stewardship, there's also
antimicrobial stewardship, there's also been over 50 new questions added to the
been over 50 new questions added to the Qbank uh for you guys. So, I think
Qbank uh for you guys. So, I think there's maybe 60 questions. So, that's
there's maybe 60 questions. So, that's quite a bit of practice for that. And
quite a bit of practice for that. And part of this comes back from feedback
part of this comes back from feedback from you guys. So I I share that with
from you guys. So I I share that with you in part so that you guys hear and
you in part so that you guys hear and recognize that um we do listen
recognize that um we do listen um to you. Your feedback is important.
um to you. Your feedback is important. Obviously no source and no company is
Obviously no source and no company is perfect. We try our best to uh work for
perfect. We try our best to uh work for you and give you the best review. We
you and give you the best review. We also try to be careful of giving you too
also try to be careful of giving you too much minutia that is too new that you
much minutia that is too new that you perceive that it's on the exam. So there
perceive that it's on the exam. So there is an element of an interval between
is an element of an interval between when data comes out and becomes standard
when data comes out and becomes standard practice. So like for example, I think
practice. So like for example, I think the SGLT2 inhibitors and GLP1 uh data
the SGLT2 inhibitors and GLP1 uh data was not initially clear how it was going
was not initially clear how it was going to unfold, but it is clearly unfolded in
to unfold, but it is clearly unfolded in a pattern that has now been incorporated
a pattern that has now been incorporated into um guidelines to where now there
into um guidelines to where now there are even subsp specialcialized position
are even subsp specialcialized position statements on these topics. And so we
statements on these topics. And so we felt like hands down we've got to do it.
felt like hands down we've got to do it. it is now in the standards of care um
it is now in the standards of care um and being implemented. So I hope that
and being implemented. So I hope that you guys
you guys um
um I hope that you guys um find that to be
I hope that you guys um find that to be helpful. So
with that we're going to go back to some of the earlier comments. Uh there was a
of the earlier comments. Uh there was a question from Jennifer about major
question from Jennifer about major depressive disorder and the use of the
depressive disorder and the use of the combination fluoxitine olanzipene
combination fluoxitine olanzipene uh formulation which is also you uh
uh formulation which is also you uh sometimes used for bipolar disorder and
sometimes used for bipolar disorder and treatment resistant major depressive
treatment resistant major depressive disorder and the answer to that is
disorder and the answer to that is absolutely. Um, so when you think about
absolutely. Um, so when you think about patients who have resistant depression,
patients who have resistant depression, you have to, you know, think about
you have to, you know, think about biologically what's going on, why, think
biologically what's going on, why, think outside the box. Um, remember bipolar
outside the box. Um, remember bipolar patients
patients um, go through both depression and
um, go through both depression and mania. So the reason some of these
mania. So the reason some of these combination drugs become useful in
combination drugs become useful in certain patient populations is many
certain patient populations is many times they probably have underlying
times they probably have underlying problems in other areas and so the drugs
problems in other areas and so the drugs can be useful to more than one
can be useful to more than one situation. So thinking outside the box
situation. So thinking outside the box for the alternative is definitely worth
for the alternative is definitely worth knowing. So Jennifer, excellent,
knowing. So Jennifer, excellent, excellent question. Uh, Amanda brought
excellent question. Uh, Amanda brought up the um answer to my PTSD, which I
up the um answer to my PTSD, which I could I was it was on the tip of my
could I was it was on the tip of my tongue, but the ben the vaccine um is
tongue, but the ben the vaccine um is one of the po more common ones that
one of the po more common ones that probably would get show up on um
probably would get show up on um uh
uh boards. Uh there was a question about
boards. Uh there was a question about one of the new um agents that is used
one of the new um agents that is used for uh bipolar uh I think it's lumatada
for uh bipolar uh I think it's lumatada parano or something like that. I can't
parano or something like that. I can't remember exactly how to say it. Uh I
remember exactly how to say it. Uh I don't have personal experience with that
don't have personal experience with that and um comments other than it is
and um comments other than it is indicated for um schizophrenia
indicated for um schizophrenia um in in patients with psychotic
um in in patients with psychotic disorders. I don't have much experience.
disorders. I don't have much experience. Sorry about that Jennifer. Um
Sorry about that Jennifer. Um let's moving on to how long should you
let's moving on to how long should you give uh I thamin IV before you consider
give uh I thamin IV before you consider transfer to uh PO Betsy that's an
transfer to uh PO Betsy that's an excellent uh question. Um so most people
excellent uh question. Um so most people need probably three to four um
need probably three to four um doses to replenish them. If you
doses to replenish them. If you replenish them with uh 100 milligrams of
replenish them with uh 100 milligrams of thamin, most of the time that gets them
thamin, most of the time that gets them up enough to where if you if they stop
up enough to where if you if they stop drinking, Jennifer or Betsy, the um the
drinking, Jennifer or Betsy, the um the gastritis and then the transporters will
gastritis and then the transporters will slowly start to upregulate again. So, it
slowly start to upregulate again. So, it just takes, you know, a couple weeks,
just takes, you know, a couple weeks, but when you've parentally administered
but when you've parentally administered multiple doses of thyin, they can
multiple doses of thyin, they can usually make it through that way. Uh
usually make it through that way. Uh Jennifer asked the question about um
Jennifer asked the question about um is it better to use combination inhalers
is it better to use combination inhalers or individual agents in separate
or individual agents in separate inhalers? So the current
inhalers? So the current uh guidelines and part of the reason for
uh guidelines and part of the reason for the push for inhaled cortical steroids
the push for inhaled cortical steroids with promoterol in particular and the
with promoterol in particular and the reason they use foterol not like someol
reason they use foterol not like someol or is because the onset of action is 15
or is because the onset of action is 15 minutes 10 to 15 minutes so it's shorter
minutes 10 to 15 minutes so it's shorter that's why people can use foroterol for
that's why people can use foroterol for exercise induced asthma you can actually
exercise induced asthma you can actually take an inhalation before but but but
take an inhalation before but but but really what it boils down to is what I
really what it boils down to is what I said earlier is that they're trying to
said earlier is that they're trying to push convenience, adherence, and
push convenience, adherence, and compliance. So, if you have a potential
compliance. So, if you have a potential uh dry powder inhaler and a meterd dose
uh dry powder inhaler and a meterd dose inhaler that's aerosolized,
inhaler that's aerosolized, uh that requires two different
uh that requires two different techniques. We already know that most
techniques. We already know that most patients don't even know one of the
patients don't even know one of the techniques correctly. So, if you ask a
techniques correctly. So, if you ask a patient to take two different inhalers,
patient to take two different inhalers, one, they have to carry two different
one, they have to carry two different devices around. So, it's risk of losing
devices around. So, it's risk of losing something. Second is you need sometimes
something. Second is you need sometimes the extra amount of work to do more
the extra amount of work to do more inhalations and then the third is uh
inhalations and then the third is uh compliance with the technique. Um so
compliance with the technique. Um so that was in part the reason for their
that was in part the reason for their recommendation. The other one was
recommendation. The other one was evidence that these patients that are on
evidence that these patients that are on who are using inappropriate short acting
who are using inappropriate short acting beta agonist for their symptom control
beta agonist for their symptom control which they really should have been on
which they really should have been on inhaled cortical steroids. They're
inhaled cortical steroids. They're trying to
trying to rem push providers to be more aware of
rem push providers to be more aware of the fact that if your patient has even
the fact that if your patient has even mild symptoms and you're using short
mild symptoms and you're using short acting beta agonists to manage that,
acting beta agonists to manage that, those patients have worse outcomes.
those patients have worse outcomes. Think about it. When I get a patient who
Think about it. When I get a patient who comes in emergency department with an
comes in emergency department with an acute exacerbation and they've already
acute exacerbation and they've already been using their aluterol
been using their aluterol ns or inhalers, what am I going to give
ns or inhalers, what am I going to give them? More albuterol? I mean all the
them? More albuterol? I mean all the receptors are occupied at that point. So
receptors are occupied at that point. So that's why I've got to be creative and
that's why I've got to be creative and use like short acting muscerinic
use like short acting muscerinic antagonist or go to um you know bypass
antagonist or go to um you know bypass procedures or even IV magnesium to try
procedures or even IV magnesium to try to relax those airways. Uh so so I hope
to relax those airways. Uh so so I hope I answered uh the question uh for you.
I answered uh the question uh for you. Um
Um so
so um
um so I think there was somebody K asked a
so I think there was somebody K asked a question about the what does MCAT stand
question about the what does MCAT stand for in the context of COPD
for in the context of COPD exacerbations. This is a an assessment
exacerbations. This is a an assessment tool that looks at the number of
tool that looks at the number of exacerbations
exacerbations and you're categorizing the patient for
and you're categorizing the patient for basically the risk. Um it's the gold
basically the risk. Um it's the gold COPD
COPD uh recommended screening tool that helps
uh recommended screening tool that helps you to put the patient in a particular
you to put the patient in a particular bucket. Um
uh so question about the pneumonia vaccine 20 uh is it too new for the
vaccine 20 uh is it too new for the exam? Most likely. They won't get
exam? Most likely. They won't get specific anyway with you on the on the
specific anyway with you on the on the formulation. In my opinion, they won't
formulation. In my opinion, they won't they'll just keep it into the pneumonia,
they'll just keep it into the pneumonia, you know, vaccine against strep
you know, vaccine against strep pneumonia.
pneumonia. Uh let's see. So, Miranda asked a
Uh let's see. So, Miranda asked a question. I thought for COPD that I
question. I thought for COPD that I inhaled cortosteroid wasn't recommended
inhaled cortosteroid wasn't recommended due to increased infections. Uh I don't
due to increased infections. Uh I don't believe that's the case. But when we
believe that's the case. But when we talk about inhaled cortical steroids in
talk about inhaled cortical steroids in the context of COPD,
the context of COPD, we're talking about moderate to severe
we're talking about moderate to severe cases
cases and patients already on therapy. The
and patients already on therapy. The addition of those because remember there
addition of those because remember there are pe patients who have uh asthma COPD
are pe patients who have uh asthma COPD overlap syndrome which means they have a
overlap syndrome which means they have a hyper reactive airway component to their
hyper reactive airway component to their disease. Um and there have been a number
disease. Um and there have been a number of studies that have shown in those
of studies that have shown in those patients in particular
patients in particular um specifically that group uh they do
um specifically that group uh they do better with it. Now yes I mean can you
better with it. Now yes I mean can you get more infection? Sure. If you use it
get more infection? Sure. If you use it wrong and does it increase her
wrong and does it increase her absolutely you're giving a steroid. Um,
absolutely you're giving a steroid. Um, so it's small, but you're weighing the
so it's small, but you're weighing the sort of risk versus benefit ratio,
sort of risk versus benefit ratio, especially for exacerbation into the
especially for exacerbation into the hospital where they can become hypoxic
hospital where they can become hypoxic and even die from it. All right. So,
and even die from it. All right. So, there was a question about would you
there was a question about would you explain uh this is from Han. He he says
explain uh this is from Han. He he says or she says says uh
or she says says uh would you explain the again the
would you explain the again the difference between case controlled study
difference between case controlled study a retrospective cohort in a prospective
a retrospective cohort in a prospective study? Okay.
study? Okay. So a case controlled study
So a case controlled study is
is in a retrospective
in a retrospective cohort study.
a case controlled study, you already have the diagnosis.
have the diagnosis. You already have the diagnosis. Okay?
You already have the diagnosis. Okay? And you are only retrospectively going
And you are only retrospectively going back in time looking for an exposure.
back in time looking for an exposure. What is a retrospective cohort study?
What is a retrospective cohort study? Knowing that cohort studies are
Knowing that cohort studies are typically followed forward in time and
typically followed forward in time and we collect data on a group of people
we collect data on a group of people usually prospectively. That is the most
usually prospectively. That is the most common
common way cohort studies are being done. But
way cohort studies are being done. But remember in both not there's usually no
remember in both not there's usually no intervention being made. There's just
intervention being made. There's just been an exposure.
been an exposure. Okay? So these are observational
Okay? So these are observational studies. The researcher is not doing
studies. The researcher is not doing anything. In a retrospective cohort
anything. In a retrospective cohort study, you may not know yet what are the
study, you may not know yet what are the end points or the outcomes.
end points or the outcomes. So let's say for example, follow me. I
So let's say for example, follow me. I have a group I have a database of
have a group I have a database of Medicaid patients. I used to serve on
Medicaid patients. I used to serve on the Texas
the Texas state pnt committee where we reviewed
state pnt committee where we reviewed Medicaid data and our patient
Medicaid data and our patient population.
population. I can go into that database
I can go into that database retrospectively. So the data is already
retrospectively. So the data is already there. I don't I want to go okay out of
there. I don't I want to go okay out of this group of people I want to break
this group of people I want to break them up into those that were exposed to
them up into those that were exposed to this drug and those that were not
this drug and those that were not exposed to this drug and I want to look
exposed to this drug and I want to look at the data forward even though it's
at the data forward even though it's retrospective and I'm looking for this
retrospective and I'm looking for this outcome of lung cancer or a endpoint.
outcome of lung cancer or a endpoint. So that's how it's different than a case
So that's how it's different than a case controlled study is that I don't know
controlled study is that I don't know the outcome in the patient before I
the outcome in the patient before I start. Case controlled study, you know
start. Case controlled study, you know the outcome before you start. Period.
the outcome before you start. Period. Okay. I hope that helped.
Okay. I hope that helped. It does require you to think of the
It does require you to think of the method and the sequence of steps that
method and the sequence of steps that you're going through and the structure
you're going through and the structure of the methodology. That's why I'm a
of the methodology. That's why I'm a huge advocate if you watch in our
huge advocate if you watch in our lectures that I and when I do study
lectures that I and when I do study design review I give you a skeleton and
design review I give you a skeleton and I showed you a couple here
I showed you a couple here a skeleton of because visually you need
a skeleton of because visually you need to see it what's happening and when do
to see it what's happening and when do you do what and how is the person being
you do what and how is the person being treated. So remember,
treated. So remember, if you ever get told that the
if you ever get told that the researchers made no intervention,
researchers made no intervention, you're probably in an observational
you're probably in an observational study bucket. Okay? Especially if we're
study bucket. Okay? Especially if we're following them and looking at their data
following them and looking at their data retrospectively or prospectively.
retrospectively or prospectively. Okay, so someone gave me some data.
Okay, so someone gave me some data. I appreciate that. Uh, hi. Can you
I appreciate that. Uh, hi. Can you interpret the uh
interpret the uh confidence interval with a negative
confidence interval with a negative hazards ratio?
and the confidence interval is -2.00 to05.
Okay. So hazards ratios is means that there's an incidence of
is means that there's an incidence of there's the incidence of the exposed
there's the incidence of the exposed group divided by the incidence of the
group divided by the incidence of the non-exposed group. Okay. So there's a
non-exposed group. Okay. So there's a numerator and there's a denominator.
numerator and there's a denominator. So if this confidence interval included
So if this confidence interval included 1.0,
1.0, it could not be statistically
it could not be statistically significant.
significant. Okay?
Okay? could not be statistically significant.
could not be statistically significant. So this since both numbers are in the
So this since both numbers are in the negative
negative then it would be less than one.
then it would be less than one. Okay.
Okay. Um and so would be statistically
Um and so would be statistically significant. The p value would be less
significant. The p value would be less than 0.5. I don't know what else to say.
than 0.5. I don't know what else to say. That's
That's kind of it. What data did you get this
kind of it. What data did you get this from?
from? if you're still there.
if you're still there. I'll I'll leave it up just in case you
I'll I'll leave it up just in case you come back on. So, couple people saying
come back on. So, couple people saying thank you. You're welcome.
thank you. You're welcome. Uh so, there was a question about the
Uh so, there was a question about the live Q&A on uh Monday, April 11th, and
live Q&A on uh Monday, April 11th, and the answer was it was cancelled. Um part
the answer was it was cancelled. Um part of it was we this is the first time we'd
of it was we this is the first time we'd ever done it.
ever done it. um there were fewer people joining so we
um there were fewer people joining so we didn't know how much of a need it was
didn't know how much of a need it was um and it seemed like at the beginning
um and it seemed like at the beginning that people utilized the live study
that people utilized the live study group sessions where we just were
group sessions where we just were available for Q&A
available for Q&A um and it was our first time to also do
um and it was our first time to also do spe focused ones where we had Dr.
spe focused ones where we had Dr. Travers and Dr. butts to do specifically
Travers and Dr. butts to do specifically oncology.
oncology. Um it seemed like it went overall very
Um it seemed like it went overall very well and we opened it up to the entire
well and we opened it up to the entire public as a service to the profession.
public as a service to the profession. Um but it also seemed like as time was
Um but it also seemed like as time was going on they were dropping off. Um so
going on they were dropping off. Um so you know give us feedback if you guys
you know give us feedback if you guys like those and you want more of them.
like those and you want more of them. That's helpful to know. If only doing
That's helpful to know. If only doing you know a couple here and there is all
you know a couple here and there is all that's necessary as you study. we just
that's necessary as you study. we just realized or I remember back in the day
realized or I remember back in the day when we were studying um I didn't have
when we were studying um I didn't have access to other folks and we've
access to other folks and we've encountered people who reach out to us
encountered people who reach out to us and ask us questions and so we wanted to
and ask us questions and so we wanted to um we wanted to try
um we wanted to try to
to help you guys and be available. Um
help you guys and be available. Um so um that's it was our first stab at
so um that's it was our first stab at it. So, please send us feedback if you
it. So, please send us feedback if you have opinions, but yes, the April 11th
have opinions, but yes, the April 11th is is okay. Uh, so
is is okay. Uh, so all right. So, several of you are saying
all right. So, several of you are saying thank you. You're welcome. Someone's
thank you. You're welcome. Someone's asking um
asking um is it Primlada? I think I said your
is it Primlada? I think I said your hopefully I said your name right. Um, so
hopefully I said your name right. Um, so it's asking about a practice test for
it's asking about a practice test for BCPS.
BCPS. So that has been asked for probably a
So that has been asked for probably a year and a half now and I have been
year and a half now and I have been slightly reluctant to
slightly reluctant to uh release it without proper testing and
uh release it without proper testing and I we've had some delays in that because
I we've had some delays in that because we also wanted to make it adequate
we also wanted to make it adequate length.
length. So has you guys know writing questions
So has you guys know writing questions that are you want to see if there's some
that are you want to see if there's some level of validity to them. Um and so we
level of validity to them. Um and so we are approaching
are approaching um getting that closer. So the the goal
um getting that closer. So the the goal um is by fall, but I can't promise
um is by fall, but I can't promise anything because I don't want to release
anything because I don't want to release something that you too because I what I
something that you too because I what I fear is that too many people are going
fear is that too many people are going to rely on it and I don't want to
to rely on it and I don't want to mislead anybody. So, I know some of you,
mislead anybody. So, I know some of you, so we do want beta testers. And so, if
so we do want beta testers. And so, if you're interested in being a beta tester
you're interested in being a beta tester of content, the other thing that that
of content, the other thing that that we're looking for beta testers for is we
we're looking for beta testers for is we have the preliminary
have the preliminary um course for BCM.
um course for BCM. This is the emergency medicine
This is the emergency medicine uh review, which sounds like it got
uh review, which sounds like it got delayed. It was supposed to be this
delayed. It was supposed to be this fall. Uh but it looks like the first
fall. Uh but it looks like the first session for that exam is not going to be
session for that exam is not going to be until the spring, my understanding.
until the spring, my understanding. Um but we have the first set of lectures
Um but we have the first set of lectures and then we have uh which will keep
and then we have uh which will keep somebody busy for quite a while. Um the
somebody busy for quite a while. Um the um we also have um almost 200 questions
um we also have um almost 200 questions that are very specific
that are very specific uh to uh emergency medicine um that
uh to uh emergency medicine um that we I put together. So but there'll be
we I put together. So but there'll be more. So, what will happen for any of
more. So, what will happen for any of the anybody that wants to beta test?
the anybody that wants to beta test? Um, again, if you don't mind sending us,
Um, again, if you don't mind sending us, we're going to actually reach out to
we're going to actually reach out to people and send an email or like a
people and send an email or like a Mailchimp type of thing with, you know,
Mailchimp type of thing with, you know, hey, join us if you want to be a beta
hey, join us if you want to be a beta tester uh on some of this stuff. Um, and
tester uh on some of this stuff. Um, and then what will happen is we will just
then what will happen is we will just keep releasing the data or the sorry
keep releasing the data or the sorry data. We'll keep releasing the new
data. We'll keep releasing the new content into your account, just pushing
content into your account, just pushing it live.
it live. Kind of like we're doing with this new
Kind of like we're doing with this new content here. We're just giving it to
content here. We're just giving it to everybody who's a current customer for
everybody who's a current customer for free.
free. Um,
Um, let's see. There were
there want somebody wants more questions and psych from Amy. Absolutely. Uh we've
and psych from Amy. Absolutely. Uh we've been trying to actually hire some more
been trying to actually hire some more psychiatry
psychiatry clinical pharmacists and we're having a
clinical pharmacists and we're having a difficult time finding people that want
difficult time finding people that want to write. That's kind of weird. We had a
to write. That's kind of weird. We had a group and you know a couple of them
group and you know a couple of them moved on to do some other things. So if
moved on to do some other things. So if you have friends or colleagues that are
you have friends or colleagues that are B they have to be BCP certified
B they have to be BCP certified um in order to do it. Um, but if you
um in order to do it. Um, but if you know of anybody or you have colleagues
know of anybody or you have colleagues in your own environments
in your own environments or friends that are BCPP, psychiatry
or friends that are BCPP, psychiatry trained and certified, uh, please ask
trained and certified, uh, please ask them to reach out to me. And by the way,
them to reach out to me. And by the way, any of you are on LinkedIn, I'd love to
any of you are on LinkedIn, I'd love to connect with you. Send me an email or
connect with you. Send me an email or invite or whatever. It's nice to follow
invite or whatever. It's nice to follow to see what you guys are doing. And many
to see what you guys are doing. And many times once you take your test, uh, we
times once you take your test, uh, we look for contributors. And so we want
look for contributors. And so we want more people to be engaged. Um so we pay
more people to be engaged. Um so we pay people and we have writers. We have a
people and we have writers. We have a whole group big big big big group of
whole group big big big big group of writers. Um but they're people that
writers. Um but they're people that represent all areas of the uh profession
represent all areas of the uh profession and practice. So um just reach out to me
and practice. So um just reach out to me via LinkedIn. That's probably the
via LinkedIn. That's probably the easiest way or via customer service.
I think that's it. Any other questions? um
um because otherwise we're kind of at the
because otherwise we're kind of at the end. It's been great being with you
end. It's been great being with you guys. Thank you for those of you that
guys. Thank you for those of you that stuck with it. I wish you the best.
stuck with it. I wish you the best. Please let us know um how you did, how
Please let us know um how you did, how you felt like some of the material
you felt like some of the material helped. I know it's a lot of information
helped. I know it's a lot of information to go through. Um and I know it probably
to go through. Um and I know it probably at times was painful. You want to quit.
at times was painful. You want to quit. If you decide that you delay your exam
If you decide that you delay your exam or something and you have an account and
or something and you have an account and you need to extend it or something,
you need to extend it or something, please don't be afraid to reach out to
please don't be afraid to reach out to us. We my customer service team and Dr.
us. We my customer service team and Dr. I mean sorry Carrie Hughes who's the
I mean sorry Carrie Hughes who's the director of customer service knows that
director of customer service knows that she has the full authority to take care
she has the full authority to take care of our customers and um our whole team
of our customers and um our whole team functions like that. So, if we can help
functions like that. So, if we can help you, obviously we have to keep stay, but
you, obviously we have to keep stay, but if we can help you, please don't um you
if we can help you, please don't um you know, don't hesitate to reach out um on
know, don't hesitate to reach out um on anything that you ever need in the
anything that you ever need in the future. We're also going to be releasing
future. We're also going to be releasing some new CE programs
some new CE programs um as well um that you know, if you're
um as well um that you know, if you're looking for stuff or you know those
looking for stuff or you know those institutions if you need it. There's
institutions if you need it. There's also group discounts. So, if we're
also group discounts. So, if we're having a lot more hospitals reach out to
having a lot more hospitals reach out to us. So if you're a part of a hospital
us. So if you're a part of a hospital group, uh we do offer group discount. So
group, uh we do offer group discount. So uh many times what we'll do is a
uh many times what we'll do is a director or somebody that's a you know
director or somebody that's a you know kind of the decision maker or lead in
kind of the decision maker or lead in your in your department if you get a
your in your department if you get a group what we will do is send you either
group what we will do is send you either a special coupon or we will set up an
a special coupon or we will set up an event page for your group or your
event page for your group or your hospital uh with special rates that only
hospital uh with special rates that only apply to that group. Usually we have to
apply to that group. Usually we have to have a list or a roster something like
have a list or a roster something like that but it's pretty easy. We do it all
that but it's pretty easy. We do it all the time for people. Um
I think that's it guys. So thanks so much for being here. Thanks so much for
much for being here. Thanks so much for your investment into your own knowledge.
your investment into your own knowledge. I'm proud of you guys and think you will
I'm proud of you guys and think you will do well. Having said that we'll see you
do well. Having said that we'll see you soon. Take care.
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