This podcast episode features a wide-ranging conversation between Joe Rogan and comedian D.C. Young Fly, touching upon personal health, aging, societal issues, the entertainment industry, and personal philosophies.
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>> Really? Red meat.
>> It's unfortunate. That's just
>> in any form,
>> you know? Like I have I know it's weird.
If I eat a burger,
it's different if I eat a steak.
>> Steak is a problem.
>> Yeah. I don't know if my digestive
system just like you too old to [ __ ] uh
uh
>> bust this down. I'm 58.
>> I I'm 58 too. I eat mostly meat.
>> I don't think it's age.
>> What is it then?
>> Well, what are you eating it with?
>> Uh Titos. We rolling
>> Titos. Titos.
>> Titos vodka. Well, it can't be that, right?
right?
>> No. Titos. I'm eating a steak and I wash
I eat a steak and I wash and I wash it
down with Titos and tonic cuz it's it
resembles H2O so much sometime I get
thrown off until I do it. >> What?
>> What?
>> Yeah, I think I'm better at
>> Titos and tonic resembles water.
>> The look of it.
>> The look of it.
>> It's clear.
>> That's all matters to you.
>> Yeah, I know. At some point I need to
change I need to change my life. I'm at
the age now that it's like I look at
certain food and I'm like, "Oh my god,
it looks good." But you know, you can't
handle that. I think this is when I
really really need to be in love because
I need to be with somebody that
understands when I go places and when I
want to pick out, they got to be like,
"He can't eat that. He's not going to be
up. He's going to be thrown up." But I
think a female handler they call it
geriatric like they This is what I hear.
>> This is what the streets are saying.
Most men get to a geriatric [ __ ] when
you just smash all the women you want to
do and everything. Now you're going to
have to worry about somebody helping you
with your pill diet, helping you with
your dietary needs and everything. And
they say that's a lot of times when men
fall in love when they need somebody to
take them to the golden ears or when
it's when you about to be out of here.
You need somebody to say don't do that.
You got to mash this food up. You got to
chop it up. But I'm having digestive
issues sometimes
>> with steak. Huh?
>> It's red meat. I want to say and I'm I'm
a fan of it. So you eat if you eat like
a bowl of pasta with the Titos, no problem.
problem.
>> That's not a problem. >> Interesting.
>> Interesting.
>> But it's definitely red meat. Red meat.
I'm not to one of those doctors that
checks people for allergies.
>> Voodoo doctor.
>> Yeah. You
>> I don't want one of them. I had to date
an Asian. I mean, I had to date a a
Haitian chick.
>> They into voodoo really really big. Oh
yeah. Oh yeah. They stab you with
pillows and [ __ ] You wouldn't have pain
in your neck.
Is there any particular reason, Joe, and
I haven't been here in a while.
>> Is there any particular reason why I am
doing your show during Black History Month?
Month?
>> No. You asked to come on.
>> But but you reached out to me.
>> I reached out to you.
>> I didn't You could have reached out to
me in July. I would have said yes. You
got an open invitation. You know that
>> I have an open invitation. But this is
when I don't know you. I said, "Can I
come through?" You said this is what you
told. You said, "I have a guest." And
then you called back. I don't know if
Jamie said, you know what month this is,
>> right? I don't know if he end. And you
caught me right.
>> I moved somebody. I moved somebody for
you cuz I knew you were coming here on a
Monday. I had someone booked.
>> Was it a Caucasian person?
>> I don't know. I don't remember.
>> I don't remember.
>> You know it was a white man or a black
man? No. You know what
>> DID I GET? DID I BOOK A WHITE PERSON?
>> It might have been Michael J. White cuz
he's here tomorrow. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it was probably Michael. I just
probably moved him a day.
>> But I appreciate dude being
accommodating cuz I felt like it was
time for me to come back. I haven't been
here a while.
>> You can come on anytime.
>> I really appreciate that and you know I
hold that to be true.
>> Come on.
>> I know that's true.
>> You know I love you.
>> Yeah. I want some of that gum, too, man.
I'm sorry.
>> The neuro gum. Do we have any Jamie?
>> I have some. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That stuff's the shoes.
>> I know. Wait. Whenever you say something
is the [ __ ] is the [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, what can I do about my I can't do
anything about my diet.
>> Sorry. Whoops. I hit the mic. Um Yeah,
you can. you just uh you know, you
should go to a doctor and find out if
there's like there might be something
particularly about you that red meat
doesn't agree with you, but it might
just be what you're eating with the red
meat more than the red meat itself. You
know, that's what I would imagine. I
would imagine it's not actually red
meat. I would imagine it's what you're
eating with it.
>> Might be. and I'm going to check into it
cuz as they say in the streets, I'm of
that big age when you have to be
considerate of a whole bunch of things.
So that's what I have to do. I have to
do that.
>> Do you exercise at all?
>> A little bit. Usually during sexual
intercourse is when I get my most of my cardio.
cardio.
>> Get your push-ups in.
>> Yeah. And it's not as strong. Damn, man.
You ever get I don't know if this apply
to everybody. You get to a where you
start looking at your history and you
like damn 2000 was my best years. Like
right now I'll just give up.
>> You give up.
>> I don't put no pressure. I give up. I
start asking like what's your shoe sizes
or whatever. I rather go shopping than
to really try to pound somebody out for
three hours. I'm at that age now where I
have I call it um
certain times like you going to get a
work good.
>> I probably shouldn't have given you that
gum. It's that gum's going to be a real
problem with the microphone.
>> Is it Is it Okay.
>> People People are going to get annoyed
with you. I can tell.
>> All right. I don't know what to do.
>> Just chew it a little and spit it out. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> You'll get the effects of it pretty
quickly. Anyway,
>> I'm at the age where my best work is
like holidays. >> Holidays.
>> Holidays.
>> Like I'm I'm a animal.
>> Why don't you hire a trainer?
>> You got some money.
>> And what are the trainer going to do?
>> Get you in shape. I think I need a
therapist before I get a trainer.
I mean, you got to take one step at a
time. I got to get my mind right before
I get my body right. Wouldn't you agree?
>> No. The getting your body right will
help get your mind right.
>> I think you there's some truth to that.
I think it I think that you may be right
about that.
>> Oh, 100%. Getting your body right fixes
your mind without a doubt.
>> But I I will say I'm at my best. I'm at
my peak when it's a holiday to celebrate
>> because you're rested.
>> I'm rested. It's more incentive. Like if
you want me to really smash good time,
you consider it like uh uh Valentine's
Day, Christmas,
uh uh Quanza, you can get seven good
days. But to expect me to be at my best
on just a regular Tuesday or a Wednesday
is not going to happen. I need more.
>> That's also drinking. You like to drink.
>> Why would you say that? I know why you
would say that.
>> Come on. I've seen you. All right.
>> I've been with you. I've drank with you.
>> Okay, then that's a good point. All right.
right.
>> There's cigarettes.
>> You was there.
>> You brought a pack with you,
>> right? There's that. Those those are not
good. Um there's uh
>> But you used to smoke I saw one of your podcast.
podcast.
>> I forget how you explained what made you
>> not want to smoke anymore. What was that?
that?
>> Well, cigarettes are a cognitive
enhancer. They are. It's a fact.
Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer.
There's no doubt about it. It's a fact.
And it does things to to your mind. It
stimulates your mind in a way that very
few other things do. That's why a lot of
intellectuals, a lot of professors use
nicotine. A lot of academics use
nicotine. A lot of people that rely on
their brain use a lot of writers use
nicotine. And there's different delivery
methods that have different effects.
Unfortunately, smoking has a very potent
instantaneous effect. Uh and that's why
people like it. But it comes with a
cost. You know, the the physical health
you know, repercussions of cigarettes
are well known. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Not good. And also, you're you're
smoking Marros.
>> There's a we had a doctor on the other
day that thinks that Mar lights don't
>> regular cigarettes are not nearly like
American spirits are not nearly as bad
for you
>> as uh
>> I understand they have some type of the
the American spirits. I'm not even like
advocating for what you should shouldn't
smoke, but it's supposed they say that's
supposed to be the most natural if
there's such a thing.
>> It's just tobacco, I believe. Is that a fact?
fact? >> Nope.
>> Nope.
>> No. What's in there besides tobacco?
>> I don't know. I've been trying They got
I don't know how this lawsuit ended up,
but they got sued for the advertising of
saying it's additive free and all that.
>> Oh, did they? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> What What are the additives? >> I've
>> I've
said it's on it. I've tried to look. I
mean, there's a big Here's like the
website about the lawsuit.
>> What's the accusation
>> that uh Here you go. It's on the screen.
>> Here we go. Lawsuit questions natural
claims. Natural American Spirit
cigarettes are made by Santa Fe Natural
Tobacco Company and parent company
Reynolds America. RJ Reynolds, they [ __ ]
with you. American Spirits has been sold
in the US since 1985. Her under the
original name original American Spirit
organic Oh, you got us [ __ ] Um,
unadulterated tobacco suit claims such
marketing language has endeared American
spirit cigarettes to a core group of
smokers who believe that the natural
tobacco and the cigarette makes them a
healthier alternative. Despite cigarette
sales declining 17% between 2009 2014,
American Spirit sales have increased 86%
over the same period. Huzzah. Uh, a
regulatory filing on the Reynolds
American website states American Spirit
is the leading super premium cigarette
brand that is a top 10 bestselling
cigarette brand priced higher than most
other competitive brands and is
differentiated from key competitors
through its use of all naturatural
additive free tobacco including styles
made with organic tobacco. But words
like all natural and additive free
unamerican spirits labeling the suit
says belies the fact that Santa Fe
Reynolds adds ammonia to their
cigarettes to maximize the amount of
nicotine a smoker receives with the
result that American spirits contain
significantly more freebased nicotine
than other major cigarette brands.
>> So you're actually getting high off of cigarettes?
cigarettes?
>> 100%. I get high off of them because I
don't smoke them all the time. So, I
only smoke if if I smoke a couple
cigarettes a week, it's a lot.
>> And Newport's probably like 10 times
worse than uh menthol cigarettes
probably 10 times worse to for your body.
body.
>> I was talking to Cat about that. I was
Yeah, I was asking him like why why do
you like menthols and he's like he was
speaking on behalf of the black
community. He said we like things that
are more potent.
I believe that that's possible part of
it, but I also believe that back in the
day and this apply I don't know if I
talked about this. It was certain brands
that targeted certain communities just
for the loyalty of it. Yeah. And I think
Newport's was targeting I don't know if
it was a situation where Newport came out,
out,
>> they was spending more ad money with
advertising everything cuz I I don't
know if I shared this story with you, but
but
>> um uh Pepsi was a company that did that
where they targeted the black community.
So I think even though I understand we
said more potent but I think it was
something that was in our community
whether that was like cheaper prices or
whatever and I think it's generation and
generations like you need to do this
because black people did this because it
was cheaper what I think that that might
be the case with Newport.
>> Yeah probably both. What is the the
menthol effect? What what is the what is
the difference in the
>> I know when I smoke menthol I I sound
like cat whims the next day they ruined
that's one of the reasons I had to
downgrade to like some people think that
I started smoking marbell lights cuz I
started dating white women which is more
appealing unless you date a white woman
from the Midwest she probably smoking
new drinking Pepsis and Coca-Cola just
like you but I think that but I got so many
many
bad habits that I need to change. Here
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making them any safer.
>> So, menthol cigarettes appeal to black
people because it's a cool cigarette.
>> It's cool.
>> That's what makes so much sense why the
brand cool cigarette cuz it makes it
that makes sense,
>> right? That's why they called it cool, I bet.
bet.
>> Damn. What white people do to destroy my
community, man?
>> Destroy everybody. Yeah,
>> they don't give a [ __ ] about anybody.
>> Cool ain't cold.
>> Half ain't wide, body ain't soul, mild
ain't bold. Cool ain't cool. Newport is
Oh, cuz that was like a
>> That makes cools cuz people used to
smoke cools. Do cools exist anymore?
>> In jail?
>> Only in jail? I think that I think I
don't know what the the rat the ratio is
what what cigarette gets you more money
in a dice game but whenever I hear
people telling war stories they like man
I got a pack I got a carton of cools for
a bag of Doritos or something but the
value of a cool cigarette is is is
higher in in prison.
>> Isn't it crazy that they give you
cigarettes in prison?
>> That's crazy. It's like the only drug
you can get in prison.
>> Yeah. And those
>> you can't get alcohol, right?
>> Well, you can get hooch. Well, you can't
get alcohol, but they make their own.
>> It's all under the table. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But I think in prison the things that
hold the most value, I think it's tang,
>> right? It's that uh artificial flavored
drink you do. I think that
>> astronaut [ __ ]
>> Yep. Cigarettes, Doritos. I heard honey buns
buns
hold their value. And I heard candy bar.
But candy bars, you got to be particular
with that. you because if you offer,
this is what I hear. If you offer a
person a certain amount of candy bars,
then what I understand is that you're
inviting them to have sexual intercourse
with you.
>> Interesting. Yeah. Candy bars.
>> Yeah. Like you I don't think
>> you want some candy bars and that's like code.
code.
>> Yeah. It's like pizza gate like pizza.
>> Mr. Good Bar for this good bar. Okay.
>> I think this is only not that I've had
those experiences, Joe, but this is the
times that I frequent the streets, which
aren't anymore. Not too often. These are
the stories that they tell. >> Interesting.
>> Interesting. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And these facts, you don't need them for
anything but for barbershop talk, but
these are the conversations that I have
>> that I've heard people have.
>> It's interesting how different brands
market to different people. And I mean,
how do they figure it out? like what are
they work like the that that's where
it's evil, right? Like advertising
itself I don't have a problem with but I
did I there is something weird about
deceptive advertising that's legal, you know.
know.
>> Well, they they do a a history on what
uh people like. I was watching or
reading a story about the uh people that
started Forever 21. I forget what the
brand was. There was some Koreans from
South Korea, not to be confused with Kim
Jongun in those people, but they were
tailored or something. They started a
small boutique. And what they would do
was they would have these clothing uh
pieces of clothes and they would really
pay particular attention to what colors
people like, um what was uh selling the
most, whatever, and that's what they
buy. And one of the things that made
Forever 21 so popular cuz they had
really inex the the clothes weren't
expensive, but they was turning them
over so quick, you know. So people do do
case studies and see what people uh
attracted to. I know with um with black
people um you you put lemon pepper on
anything, it's going to go out out the
roof. You could do lemon pepper chicken
wings, lemon pepper French fries,
anything lemon pepper, they gonna go. I
don't know who started the whole lemon
pepper craze, but you lemon pepper
anything, black people gonna buy it.
>> That's interesting. Like how white
people are associated with very bland foods,
foods,
>> you know, macaroni, cheese, mashed
potatoes, mayonnaise.
>> And you know why you're connected with
that blandness? Cuz the way you
pronounced it.
>> Macaroni and cheese.
>> You'd never ever say if you tell
somebody if you say and you would be
able to be invited to the cookout, Joe.
You know, people like you. If if you
say, "Hey guys, I'm coming to the
cookout, right, and I'm bringing
macaroni and cheese." You're going to
get uninvited to the cookout.
>> What? How should I say it?
>> Mac and cheese.
>> Mac and cheese.
>> Yeah. You can't say macaroni and cheese.
Nobody ever does that. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> You would They would look at you as a
spy. You would get invited and be invited.
invited.
>> Well, I'm a different type of white
person cuz I'm Italian and we're
associated with spicy food. Very strong flavors.
flavors.
Yeah, but it's a different like Italian
people don't like bland food. They like
very spicy, very flavorful food.
>> I'm bringing baked ziti to the barbecue.
You like I'm bringing ziti, right?
>> Yeah, they would say baked ziti. Yeah,
because there's different kinds of ziti.
You know, there's ziti that you bake and
then there's ziti that you just boil and
put, you know, marinara sauce on.
>> There's different. I will say this, as
much as you know, community make fun of
um white people and their lack of seasoning,
seasoning,
that can save your life.
>> Lack of seasoning can save your life.
How so?
>> When you think about you look at
somebody, one of the most the country uh
uh homecooked soulfood spot, the one
ingredient that's in everything that you
taste right off the rip is salt. How
good is not bad for you at all? It's awesome.
awesome.
>> Then why do we think salt is accomplished?
accomplished?
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>> Salt is an essential mineral. You need
salt to survive. Salt is not the
problem. They associate salt with high
blood pressure, salt with this, salt
with it's not true. It's [ __ ] What
type of salt? Is it a different salt? Is
it like
>> No, it's not. Salt's not bad for you.
Well, first of all, there's iodiz salt,
which is actually good for you because
it contains iodine. They add iodine to it,
it,
>> which is good for you. But salt is not a
bad thing. I mean, you shouldn't have
too much salt. Salt. If you look, if you
eat enough salt, you can be the
president to educate me with this. So,
all of these years,
>> it's a it's a
>> these people getting their toes chopped off.
off.
>> That's not why. That's not why. If
you're getting diabetes, it's usually
from sugar. >> Okay?
>> Okay?
>> You know, there's been a lot of
misinformation that's spread because of
actual scientists that were bribed by
the the sugar industry. So, the sugar
industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard
scientists. It was Harvard, right?
>> I believe it was. They didn't even give
them a lot of money. Uh was it the 1950s
or 1960s, Jamie? Do you remember? So,
this has all been outed now, but what
they did was they tried to associate
saturated fat and and foods with
saturated fat with being responsible for
heart disease. And they did that to try
to get the blame off of sugar cuz sugar
is [ __ ] terrible for you. It's
terrible in basically every way,
especially added sugar. So why are all
of these diseases that we speak of are
more more car happening in the black
community than in the white community?
>> It's diet. It's 100%. It's sugarcessed.
It's processed food. It's diet. It's
sugar. It's sugary drinks. It's the
amount of sugar. Like if you say if you
drink like a a a one liter Pepsi, the
amount of sugar that is Okay, let's find
out how much sugar is in a one liter Pepsi.
Pepsi.
If you drink several of these a day, one
of them, I believe, is more sugar than
you're ever supposed to have in a day.
>> Pepsi is the one and that's why
>> Well, it could be Coca-Cola, could be
Pepsi, Mountain Dew. Name your poison.
>> I think it's 100% Pepsi.
>> Well, Pepsi is I don't know. Does Pepsi
have more sugar than Coca-Cola? I don't know.
know.
>> You know, Coca-Cola is one of the only
things that's still flavored with
cocaine leaf. Uh sugar content 115 123
grams in a one liter bottle. That's a
crazy amount of sugar. 25 teaspoons. 35
sugar cubes.
>> God damn.
>> That's 130% 138% of the recommended
daily value of sugar.
>> That's that's where people are getting
type 2 diabetes. They're getting it from
excess sugar. Specifically
>> excess sugar like in a liquid form. Your
body does not know what the [ __ ] to do
with that cuz nowhere in nature do you
get sugar in a liquid form like that.
Like even orange juice. Like people
think orange juice is good for you. It's
not. Like drinking orange juice. Yeah,
you're going to get some vitamin D, but
you're also going to vitamin C rather,
but you're also going to get a gigantic
dose of sugar that has no fiber in it.
>> But is it a different type of sugar in
fruits and vegetables than what you get
off the counter?
>> You get fructose rather than high
fructose corn syrup. Uh you know, like
sugar from fruit is the best sugar for
you because it's attached to fiber and
that's that's a slow release sugar. Like
if you eat an apple and apples aren't
bad for you. It's a natural way that
your body consumes sugar. But there's
>> apples were bad for Adam.
>> Uh I don't even know if it was an apple.
>> It was a fruit.
>> It was from the tree of knowledge. The
tree of
>> It was an apple. >> Uh
>> Uh
>> it was an apple,
>> but it wasn't an apple tree. What What
specifically does the Bible refer to as
the fruit?
>> Adam and Eve. Adam,
>> you know the truth? >> What?
>> What?
>> Eve never talked to God. Adam talked to
God. Adam told God not to eat the fruit.
There's nowhere in the Bible does it say
that Adam went and told Eve.
>> This is why we should start not just
shutting women down to listening to them.
them.
>> It all started off
>> Genesis does not specifically specify
rather what kind of fruit Adam ate only
that it calls it fruit from the tree of
knowledge of good and evil. Yeah. So
it's not necessarily an apple. We call
it an apple.
Uh, the text never names the species,
apple, fig, etc. The Hebrew word is
perry, a general term meaning fruit
without a botanical detail. Where the
apple idea came from. Over time, Jewish
and Christian interpreters proposed many
candidates including fig, grape,
pomegranate, citron, and others. Now,
common ideas that an apple developed
later in European tradition helped by
word play in Latin and old French where
the words evil and apple or fruit
sounded or were spelled similarly. So,
it's not necessarily an apple.
>> I really don't know what to believe. I
feel like I get so much more information
when I come here.
>> I don't know if people understand that.
Well, the crazy thing is that I mean I
I've found this out recently because
I've actually been reading the Bible
that the there's no reference whatsoever
to Adam telling Eve you're not supposed
to eat the fruit from the plant uh with
with the knowledge of good and evil.
>> I never knew that. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I just knew white woman with an apple
and his [ __ ] got [ __ ] up after that.
>> What happened was God created Adam. This
is what Genesis says. God created an
Adam and then told Adam, "Go and name
all the animals." And then when he was
done with that, Adam made Eve,
but he never said, it never says in the
Bible, Adam told Eve, "Do not eat the apple."
apple."
>> Who's giving this us this misinformation?
misinformation?
>> Well, the problem with the Bible uh is
first of all that it was an oral
tradition forever. So, it was an oral
tradition for a long time before it was
ever written down. that it was written
down in a bunch of ancient languages. It
was written down in ancient Hebrew. It
was written down in Aramaic, Aramaic,
and then when you translate ancient
Hebrew to first they translated to Latin
and then they translated it to Greek and
all these other maybe Greek first. I
forget which one was first, but either
way, the the translations miss a lot of
the the language. It's very complicated.
Ancient Hebrew is a very complicated
language and numbers double as letters
in ancient Hebrew. So ancient Hebrew
doesn't have numbers. All their words
have a numerical value to them.
>> What do you think makes people so connected
connected
to the Bible? Is it because of wanting
to believe in something?
>> Definitely. definitely wanting to
believe in something and then
specifically if you look at like the
teachings of Jesus Christ if you follow
them I think it'll lead to a better
life. I think it makes you a better
person makes you a better member of the
community. It it it reinforces
community. It's like a really good way
to live your life. So I think people
that live that way that actually live
that way they're better examples of
human beings. So that makes it
reinforced. But it's also people there's
a lot of other religions that people
believe in that don't have those aspects
to them. People want to believe things.
People want to believe in things. Even
if you like like Scientology, people
deeply believe in Scientology. And we
know it was written by a science fiction
author, right?
>> Who was a bad science fiction author.
Elron Huard wrote some terrible books.
Like that guy would just bang books out.
He never rewrote [ __ ] He everything was
a first draft.
just clank. He wrote more fiction than
any human being that's ever lived and he
also wrote Scientology
>> and people believe in it. But I do
believe PE I think people like you say
people want to if your life is [ __ ] or
whatever they want to be able to say
okay this is my savior if I believe in
this it's going to get me on the right track
track
>> 100%. And then with that with these like
uh Duski just did a a skit that went
viral, right? And it was like he was
making fun of the mega churches and
everything. But these churches like they
give these people something to believe
in, make them feel better and they
charge people. Do you think that there
should be a separation? If I if I
inspire you, if my writings or my
speeches inspire you to want to do
something and change your life and be uh
more financially secure, do you think
these people entitled to like, okay,
almost like agencies, if I get you to
work or get you there, should you hit me
off or the megaurches, is it so wrong
for people just to pour all their money
into them or are they giving these
people something to believe in? If
that's the case, do I supposed to get a
piece of that? I think they're preying
on people's need to believe in things
and I think they're very predatory and I
think that's why they're flying private
jets and driving Rolls-Royces and living
in mega mansions on giant ranches
>> and they're doing it all off of
donations of people that are barely
getting by. That's a lot of it. You
know, I think it's a scam that's legal.
I think if we were a just and righteous
society, it wouldn't be legal,
>> right? I mean, it's you're taking
advantage of people when they need
something to believe in and you're
asking for all their money. Like I
remember I was watching this guy on TV
once like televangelists are the worst.
And this guy was saying that if you are
broke, you should borrow money to donate
it to the church and it will be paid
back to you tenfold. That God will pay
you back tenfold. And then he had all
these examples of people that did it and
they would call in and say, "I I was
$1,000 in debt and this and that, but I
borrowed $100 and I donated it to you
and now all of a sudden I drive a
Rolls-Royce." And it's all horseshit.
>> But those are all desperate desperate
people. Desperate people. Those are the
same people that I'm going to spend $30
on the lottery every day for like
[ __ ] 50 years and no one know how much.
much.
>> That's another scam. That's another
scam. Not only is that a scam, here's
the scam about the lottery. Not only
does like say if everyone pumps money
into the lottery, say you you buy $100
worth of tickets and Jamie buys $100
worth of tickets and I buy $100. So
there's $300 in the lottery. There's not
even $300 available
>> if you win. Right.
>> So and then if you win, you don't get
all the money. You get the money over a
long period of time.
>> Right. Right. Right. But if you if you
take the second option, it's a
significantly like here's a good example
of it. Speaking of the Epstein Files, his
his
>> What do you mean speaking of
>> company Zoro Trust?
>> I didn't like that transition. You
looked me right in my eyes and said,
"Speaking of the
>> Well, FC, we were talking about it
before the podcast. Came to see you."
>> No, MC did not [ __ ] come.
>> They came They loved your show. >> Yo,
>> Yo,
>> he was your He was a number one fan.
>> First of all, I I've never
>> HE CAME TO YOU DON'T KNOW. LOOK, they
came to West Palm Improv because you're
a famous comedian and you were playing
in the town where he lived.
>> So, what are you saying?
>> Nothing. But what I'm saying is that
>> I'm on I'm actually
>> What I'm saying is Epstein won the
lottery. His company, Zoro Trust, won an
$80 million lottery and then they paid
they they took the payoff and the payoff
was a ticket or you mean with in corporation?
corporation?
>> What do you mean when you say
>> they his company bought a ticket for the
lottery? Really? that yes, Zoro Trust,
which is his company, they won the
lottery, which is very suspicious. Not
only that, he won the lottery right
after he was arrested and went to jail
for [ __ ] kids or having sex or
whatever, whatever he was arrested for,
sexual hand jobs, whatever it was. So
underage. No, but when they're underage
girls, probably not.
>> Oh, I didn't know that. But
>> so then when he went um and got the
lottery money, the company took the
payoff the payoff out of an $80 million
payment. the $80 million jackpot was
only 30 million. So if you want the
money, you take 30. So not only did they
take 50 out of the 80, but then you
think about how many people spent money
buying lottery tickets, way more than 80 million.
million.
>> So they make money off of that and then
they make money off of the fact that you
want the payoff instead of the, you
know, the over.
>> So they never could, it doesn't matter
what the jackpot becomes, they never
could lose.
>> They they can't lose. It's stealing
money from people that are desperate.
It's it's legalized gambling where the
house always wins.
>> Like let's find that out. Like uh let's say
say
>> let's find uh an average jackpot of mega
bucks and find out how much money
actually goes into it. How much how much
money people spend versus how much money
the payout is.
>> So when this the uh all lots are state
regulated, right? Right.
>> I don't know. I don't know who regulates
them. So they get say they get $100
million from people trying to win a
billion dollars.
>> It's because the state regulate. Do they
do they have to pay taxes to the
government for the money they
>> the lotto? No, it's the state well or
it's the the government owns it. So it's
a it's a whatever the not only that you
pay taxes on it. So say pays taxes.
Yeah. Yeah.
>> So say if you take that $30 million
payout, you don't even get 30 million.
Then you have to pay taxes on that 30
million. So they get money from that
too. So they can't [ __ ] lose.
>> But for a person that's never seen
barely seen $1,000 anywhere, anything
with millionaire, they're going to be
excited about and take it before
>> Exactly. Exactly. And over time, most
people are not going to win. So most
people are dumping money into it.
>> There was a story of a a young lady. I
don't know exactly what it was. I think
she won some type of lottery where they
gave her two options. She would get I
think it was like uh a payout of like 2
or 3 million right up front or they give
her I think it was like $20,000 every
month for as long as she lived.
>> Yeah, that's how they
>> and she did this. Well, people think
that it's kind of crazy, but if you
consider the fact that she was probably
20 21, her life expectancy probably she
was white, so she probably lived to 132.
You know what I'm saying? She looked
like I That was a smart a lot of people
would not understand that. That was a
smart thing. But I I did
>> I don't think it's for the rest of your
life. I think it's until it reaches that
number. I don't think they're going to
give you money for the rest of your life.
life.
>> Well, maybe I was reading the headline.
>> Maybe it's a different kind of lottery
that I'm not aware of.
>> Maybe. I think it was something as long
as she lives.
>> That sounds crazy. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> All right. Here it is. Typical
Megaillions jackpot run. Total ticket
revenue is usually several times the
advertised jackpot. But there's no
single fixed average because sales vary
enormously with the jackpot size. still
you can get a good ballpark. So around
50% of ticket revenue goes into the
overall prize pool. So the government
makes 50% right off the bat, >> right?
>> right?
>> So if it's a hund00 million payout, they
already made a h 100red million. So this
$200 million is what they made. They
throw in $100 million for everybody of
that prize pool. Roughly 2/3 to 3/4 is
allocated to the jackpot with the rest
funding lower tier prizes. So that means
even if there's $200 million out of the
hund00 million only twothirds of it goes
into the the big jackpot. Um and that
means the jackpot is typically in the
order of onethird of total ticket sales
that run and then out of that one-third
so say if it's a hundred million or with
the Epstein case it was 80 million. He
took the payout which was 30 million. So
they make 50 on top of that and then on
top of that you pay taxes on that 30.
It's a crazy scam.
>> What do they do with the money?
>> Whatever the [ __ ] they want.
>> I think they probably I think they in
certain neighborhoods I think they
probably pump a certain amount of
winning tickets into a neighborhood just
to get you addicted to keep going in
there and spend your money.
>> Well, it's supposed to be random. You
know, I don't know how much oversight.
Look, if a guy like Jeffrey Epstein can
win, I don't know how much oversight is
it. I know um back in Boston when I
lived there, Whitey Bulier won. See if
this is true. I think he won the lotto
twice, which is crazy.
>> Whitey Bulier. Who was that? That sound
>> Whitey Bulier was a South Boston mob
boss uh in the 1980s when I lived there.
The 1980s and 90s.
>> A mob a mob boss.
>> Yeah, he was a dangerous dangerous guy.
He was the guy that that movie that
Leonardo DiCaprio starred in with Jack
Nicholson. What was that movie? Jamie,
remember that movie that was based on
Whitey Bulier?
>> The Departed?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Departed. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> That was based on Whitey Bulier.
>> He was a gangster.
>> Oh, yeah. Terrifying gangster. Yeah.
>> What was his demise?
>> He was actually a [ __ ] FBI informant.
Not only was he a gangster, he was
working with the FBI and they were
letting him get away with [ __ ] because
he was throwing other people under the bus.
bus.
>> I think there's a different I mean,
>> they wind up catching him in Santa
Monica. Well, I found that
>> Hunting Whitey about that Whitey Bulier
won the Mass Millions lottery about that
time. Yeah. Yeah, he won the [ __ ]
lottery, man. So, uh
this is what it says here. What does it say?
say?
>> I think it was more of a scheme than
they actually won the but it's Oh, he
was taking money. It's probably a way to
like launder money.
>> Yeah. Oh, 100%. It's a way to launder
money. So the way it would work was like
say if you lived in the community and
you won the lottery ticket, maybe they
would give you money for your lottery
ticket and then he would get it and that
way it would show that this is where he
got his income from. Like these guys
would all own businesses. But the reason
why they would own businesses is so they
could show why they drive a Cadillac,
why they have a mansion, why they have
this, because they have legitimate
businesses. But really, these businesses
were scams. My father convinced my
family that he was a real estate agent
for years and come to find out he was a
heroin king been in DC for years. All we
needed was an excuse. He's selling real
estate. All right.
>> That's hilarious.
Um so he ordered the real winner to sign
the ticket over with Whitey and two
associates paying $2.3 million in cash
for 50% of the winnings. Buler Bulier
himself paid Michael Linsky 700,000.
Although Linsky lost money in the deal,
he really had no choice. It came down to
selling the ticket or risking his life.
Yeah. So that's how it usually wills works.
works.
>> So he was a snitch.
>> Whitey was a snitch. Yeah.
>> He was a snitch and he got caught in
Santa Monica. He was
>> snitch or whistleblower. There is a difference.
difference.
>> No, he was a snitch.
>> Whistleblowers are people that snitch on
people in higher profile positions like
corporate America. But what I'm finding out
out
>> No, he wasn't a whistleblower. He was an
actual snitch because he was turning
other people in. But he was a kingpin.
Is this true? And I don't want to make
everything about race. Is that phrase
snitches get snitches more prevalent in
the white community or the black
community or it's across the board?
>> I think it's across the board, isn't it?
Like like the black community is famous
for keeping their mouth shut when
someone gets shot or when someone does
something like when cops come and question.
question.
>> I don't know that's the truth anymore
because what I'm
>> not anymore. But that was the thing with
the mafia too. Yeah.
>> The mob would never rat out. Guys would
just go to jail. interested now because
now I see like especially in my
community so many people like rat I got
the paperwork and everything and now it
feels like like that model of being
loyal is dead like people now they they
getting caught with [ __ ] and the minute
they get caught they snitch on everybody
right and there's no repercussions when
they come home there's no repercussion I
don't see that as much I see so many
people that are like They saying
whatever the [ __ ] they want to do,
whatever, and they still out here just
living their lives normal like and
nothing [ __ ] happened.
>> Well, with the mob, it was always like,
if you ratted on the mob, you were a
dead man. You were a dead man. Your
family was probably dead. They burn your
house down and and people kept their
mouth shut because of that. And so guys
would go to jail all the time and never
open their mouth and they would be
rewarded when they would get out and
they'd have a party for them, celebrate.
That's in good fellas. You kept your
mouth shut. You never said nothing. That
was the whole thing. But the whole thing
I used to live
>> that changed though like with John Gotti
like the the government no Sammy the
Bull Sammy the Bull and it wasn't just
them like there was everyone was
snitching on everybody. It's like they
got these guys and you know we had
Donnie Brasco in in the studio
>> from from um what um from Johnny Depp
movie. It was called Donnie Bras. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> He why am I confusing that with um
>> what's his real John Deonnie Bras's real name?
name?
Joe. Uh,
>> I'm not confused. Bronx, that's not Bronx.
Bronx.
>> Joe Pone.
>> Joe Pone.
>> That's nothing to do with Bronx Tale, right?
right?
>> No, different story. That's a different story.
story.
>> Yeah. Um, so Donnie Brasco was the guy
who was he was an agent and he pretended
to be a mob guy and he got in with the
mob and was with him for like seven
years. Did all kinds of [ __ ] with the
mob and then sold everybody out and they
all went under.
>> Yeah. I don't know. I'm just so this the
culture everything is they used to be
afraid snitches get stitches now I don't
know if this just everywhere but
everywhere I go it's like the most
interesting thing now that's selling on
any platform especially social media is
beef and I don't understand why people
gravitate toward negativity more than anything
anything
>> that's normal
>> why but you know what it's interesting
your platform is not known for that >> no
>> no
>> your platform but I go to these other
platforms And I don't know. I think
these guys, the people, they just sit
back and it's like, okay, what can I say
to make people upset, get them riled up,
and then I take advantage of the
engagement that they do?
>> They're in a different game than me. All
right. Their game is trying to get
engagement. My game is talking to people
that are
>> But that don't doesn't that become
>> I don't want to be triggering anything,
but doesn't that become destructive
after a while?
>> 100%. And do you have you noticed it
especially I'll put it like this
especially with comedians with podcast
it it will used to be a time where like
you say a person would go on a podcast
because it was interesting they told
funny stories
>> or they was good at their craft or
whatever but now it feels like all these
platforms and I don't know that's just
in in my community when I say that black
people it's like the only way I can find
myself interesting if I talk [ __ ] about
people Right.
>> And [ __ ] are going away from
being being funny
when you get interviewed. Like every
[ __ ] podcast I turn on now is
somebody I'm exposed this person. I'mma
tell this about what you didn't know.
And the one thing they're not doing,
especially as a standup comedian,
[ __ ] don't give a [ __ ] about
being funny no more. Are those days over?
over?
>> No. No. No. No. Those people that do
that are almost always not very
talented. Almost always. The only
exception to that fooling. The only
exception to that is Cat. And I think
what Cat was doing was different. Cuz
what Cat was doing was exposing what he
thought was snakes and liars. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> A different thing.
>> Okay. Okay. I Okay. This is my question.
>> Okay. Okay.
>> This is my question. Okay. This is my
question. People can take it. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. Okay, I want to say this. This is
what I'm saying, Joe.
>> What are you saying?
>> I'm coming from this place. I'm like
this. No disrespect or whatever to Cat,
but like
>> who asked you
>> uh Shannon Sharp did
>> when he did that podcast.
>> Shannon Sharp might have asked one question.
question.
>> Shannon, but Shannon Sharp likes that
like that in his relationship. He likes
a lot of that. His his people, they find
questions. He's got a sheet of paper.
He's got questions. with those Joe. What
do you do with those truths?
>> What do you do with talking about I
watched Oh, this is a horrible
impression. I sat there in the parking
lot and I watched people go up at the
Dy's house and they came down and they
were standing up. I'm trying to figure
out what the [ __ ] do you get out of
that? What what what is the result of
that? You expose these people to say
what? Hollywood is never going to
[ __ ] change. You know what changes?
Like what you do? I left [ __ ]
Hollywood. Hollywood is not going to
change. And I'm not saying I went to a
diddy party. First off, I was never invited.
invited.
>> There's a chance I would accept the
invitation with rules, you know, right?
But if what is the purpose of exposing
something that you
>> I don't think most people are exposing
what most people are doing when they're
being negative is they are jealous and
they are below the person they're
talking [ __ ] about like whenever I see
someone that's talking about jealous
about you don't think now you say that
and you use Cat Williams as an example.
So when you said they're jealous
>> first of all when Cat did it was very
funny which is
>> it was very funny. Cat's a very funny
guy. And when he was doing it, I think
he was also being very funny while he
was doing it, which is different.
>> Well, you have to put a LOL on the end
of it because people might not
understand his humor cuz this is what
this is the connection people have. They
This is what they the connection they
have with cat. It's like they this is
what they say and they ride with him.
They say, "Where is the lie? Where is
the lie?" And all this stuff. But I'm
just trying to understand what is the
purpose of exposing all this stuff. What
do we do with this information? What do
we do with the information that Diddy
like to have [ __ ] freak parties with
baby oil? What the [ __ ] do we do with
all this information?
>> Well, Denny's in jail right now, so they
did that with the information.
>> Well, Denny's in jail for doing
something that a lot of people
I Let me tell you something, Joe.
>> Tell me something.
>> I was riding with Diddy for one. I like
the music he did or everything. I don't
know did like that. But when I first
read the definition of sex trafficking, right?
right?
>> I'm sure you're a verse person. You're smart.
smart. >> Uhhuh.
>> Uhhuh.
>> The definition of sex trafficking to
transport a woman across state lines
with the intent to have sexual
intercourse with her. >> Right.
>> Right.
>> When I heard
>> when you're paying them,
>> it's trafficking is
>> No, that's not actually my
This is my Jamie. You can pull this up.
>> Wait a minute. So, if you are dating a
girl and she lives in Minnesota and you
live in California and you fly her to
California, that's sex trafficking.
>> And I'm thinking about
>> I don't think that's true. I don't think
that's true at all. I think that's just
flying a girl in that you're having a relationship.
relationship.
>> They call it flued out. Fluid out.
>> Yeah, but that's normal. Everybody does that.
that.
>> But that's the definition.
>> Commercial sex act.
>> Yeah. Commercial. Commercial sex act
induced by force, fraud, or coercion.
Huh. Well, coercion's crazy cuz coercion
is like, "Please, I'll buy you a bag."
>> That's sex trafficking. So, like if a
girl, right, if you if you if there's a
girl, she's like, "What are you going to
do for me?" Like, "You know those shoes
you want? I got those shoes for you.
Let's go shopping." Like, that's kind of
sex trafficking. If that's coercion for money,
money,
>> like if a girl's thinking about coming
out to visit you and then you go,
"Listen, listen, listen. What are you
looking for? What do you What do you
want to buy? I got money. Come on. Let's
go shopping." that kind of would fall
into that category.
>> But we're getting off topic. Let's go
back to the topic originally in hand.
>> The reason why these comedians are
negative I need to
>> No, no, no, no. You're not going to get
in trouble for sex trafficking. Listen,
that's all horseshit.
>> But the reason why these comedians are
doing it is because they're never bigger
than the comedians they're [ __ ] on. Never.
Never. >> 1,000%.
>> 1,000%.
>> And you know what it is, Joe?
>> And they're never good.
>> That You know what it is, too, Joe? is
that deep down inside they want to be
that person >> 100%.
>> 100%.
>> And I tell you that
>> or they want to be in the position that
person's in is a better way of putting it.
it.
>> And I I I'll use this. I'll tell you
this story. I realize now not to say
names, but you it's so many people that
could be guilt guilty of it. And this is
the thing that I hear that understands
me that that that that disturbs me is
that, you know, uh, a lot of these
people that [ __ ] the most, they at some
point in their career, they were favored
by Hollywood. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> At some point in their career, they had
these opportunities. At some point in
their career, guess what? They had the
agencies. They had the agents. And
something happened in their career where
they fell out of favor for whatever you
want to call that it. whatever you want
to call that for whatever maybe
something they did agency didn't like
like them too much and now everything
that they wrote on everything they
wanted to do now it's all that's [ __ ]
up and only way you get this opportunity
cuz it has to be sexual favors and all
that type of [ __ ] and where did the [ __ ]
you draw the line
>> but it's not even sexual favor it's like
they criticize the work of the other
person that person ain't [ __ ] that
person sucks can I can I yo there's
here's the thing there was
>> come on you you get this all all the
time because you ride with Dave and
Dave's number one, right? So you you
always get you always get this label
even though you're a great comic, you
get this label being a coattail rider,
>> right? And guess what? Everybody don't
This is what I try to explain to people, Joe.
Joe.
>> Everybody does not have to be Batman.
I don't have a problem with being Robin.
You know why? Cuz Robin got the same
amount of screen time as Batman. And and
the reason why I say this is what I get.
And I'm I'm telling you this, Joe. I
don't know if this gum is kicking in.
>> This is what this is what go this is
what [ __ ] me up, Joe. This is what
[ __ ] me up. And I'll tell you example.
I'm going to give you an example. Don't
give me examples.
>> No, I'm going tell you. Are you pulling
out your phone? I'mma tell you why.
Because your [ __ ] shirt is [ __ ]
triggering me right now.
>> Kill Tony.
>> You mean the greatest greatest comedy
show of all time in the history of the
known universe?
>> I know that, but there's a lot of lies
involved. Listen,
this is this is what they saying. THIS
IS WHAT THEY SAYING.
>> DON'T PAY ATTENTION to what they say. >> Listen,
>> Listen,
>> why are you doing that?
>> Yo, you told me things that the Kill
Tony audience say about me.
>> Um, Chappelle's butt plug is ACTUALLY
>> YO, I GOT TO DEAL WITH THIS [ __ ] WHAT
IS SO NO.
>> WELL, you got to stop paying attention
to it.
>> It's so hard.
>> You know what it would happen to me if I
paid attention to all the haters that I
have? Yeah.
>> I would go crazy.
>> You would. Do you think that you paid
attention to those haters? Now you're at
a position where now you have so many
reasons to say [ __ ] them. Do you feel
like you had that same belief when you
was first starting this? Did you did you
engage them then?
>> Well, I engaged online with a lot of
people in the early days cuz I didn't
understand what you're doing is you're
engaging with people that don't have
happy lives, >> right?
>> right?
>> And they're negative. And there's some
criticisms that are good for you because
some criticisms make you evaluate what
you're doing and say, "Okay, well, what
I need to do is be undeniable." So,
these critics mean nothing to me because
you can't the I'm killing the audience
loves me. I'm selling out everywhere.
I'm doing great on stage. That you can't
pay attention.
>> You know what? You know what? I will say
this. I hear you, Joe. I tried that with
them [ __ ] on your shirt.
>> You had a bad show. You had one bad show.
show.
>> I never had
>> You had a bad show.
>> You had a bad show. Please don't do this
to me. All right.
>> You did. You had that one bad show where
you went back and forth. You walked Did
you walk off the show?
>> Listen, man.
>> Get sit the [ __ ] down.
>> SIT THE [ __ ] DOWN.
>> [ __ ] WALK OFF THE SHOW.
>> YOU WANT ME to play it back?
>> I I
Please don't do this.
>> You were a little drunk.
>> Who is the comic? Who is the comic?
>> I don't know his name.
>> We don't need to bring Whoever that dude is.
is.
>> See, now you're doing this. You You know
what you're doing.
You're don't You're being A PROVOCATORY
RIGHT NOW. YOU'RE PROVOKING ME cuz we
BROKE THIS [ __ ] DOWN AND I DON'T WANT TO
KEEP GOING.
>> I didn't think of this when I was
wearing this shirt. I'll change the shirt.
shirt.
>> No, it's okay. Put something over.
>> Shirt. I'll wear a Benny the Jet shirt.
>> Let's Let's Let's break it down, Joe.
>> Oh, we don't have to.
>> If we have to. You started this [ __ ]
All right. Thank you.
>> I'm gonna change my shirt right now.
>> It's like I didn't have a bad show.
>> You definitely didn't have a great show,
right? When you walk off, it's not good.
I'm cheating now. I feel like Carrie.
THEY'RE ALL GOING TO LAUGH AT ME.
THEY'RE going to laugh at me. It wasn't
this for the last [ __ ] time, Joe. For
the last [ __ ] time. And this is
what's so [ __ ] evil about this
situation that some people call a bad
show. I never wanted to do the show.
>> But you came back on. You had a good
show, right?
>> I want to go back. Let's rewind. All
right. And this is You were a part of it.
it.
>> Hey, look. I changed my shirt. No more trigger.
trigger.
>> I appreciate that.
>> Shout out to Benny the Jet.
>> Okay. I feel a lot better now.
>> Oh boy. I need another piece of gum.
>> I'm going to say this. Say what it's
worth. First off, I did not want the
first time I did it here in Austin, >> right?
>> right?
>> I didn't want to do the show. Okay.
>> And the reason why I didn't want to do
the show, Joe, now you're not even
paying attention to
>> You want a cigar?
>> Yeah, I'll take a cigar. I I didn't want
to do the show, and I'll tell you why.
Cuz I'm The streets say I'm sensitive.
>> You are a little sensitive.
>> Can I have not have your opinion and
just listen to me, please? The um uh
They know I'm sensitive. It was during
the pandemic, Joe. You remember people
would still come to do your podcast cuz
they know the benefits of it and you had
your thing doing. They would come to
your podcast and then they would [ __ ]
leave cuz they didn't want to catch co
and then they would leave Tony stranded
and he had no good guests. I was here
right this when when I'm talking about
the time when Tony had a black band.
>> He still has a black band.
>> All black. There a couple black people
on there now. Me too. I think it's
mostly black, right?
>> Okay. I want to tell a story. This is
the last time I want to talk about
>> Deep Madness. I mean, name
>> this the last time, Joe. I want to tell
the story.
>> Drummer, the guitar player or not?
>> What's that,
>> Mike? Dr.
>> Yeah. I mean, there's like
>> the horns.
>> A lot of them are black. >> Definitely
>> Definitely
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>> Look at the old when it when it's when
it was all had not high production, all
that type [ __ ] Tony is like, "It's hard
for me to get a guess. Would you stay?"
>> And this is when you [ __ ] me up the
last time. You wasn't playing fair. Yes,
you did. I wasn't playing fair.
>> No, I'm telling you when you weren't
playing fair.
>> When was I not playing fair?
>> Can I talk? >> Please.
>> Please.
>> All I want to do I don't know if I got a
raise in my hand. I just want to be able
to speak. It is my month. It's my
[ __ ] month. So Tony said, "Would you
stay? Come on." I was like, you know,
and I stayed, right? >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> And I stayed and I stayed. I was on his
show for two and a half hours. I told
him, "This is where it gets all crazy."
I told him I had a something I was
supposed to do later. There was another
black comic that was on his show. He
started roasting me. I had no problem
with that. I had no problem with him
roasting me, but I felt [ __ ] up
because it was only me him. And I was
trying to give this guy some sound
advice. But the only way he thought he
was going to get off by [ __ ] with me. So
I was like, "Yo, why you [ __ ] with me?
We on the same We on this [ __ ] same
team." What they did was look at the
[ __ ] video. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> You see, I want you to slow it down.
>> Slow it down.
>> Slow the video down.
>> It's like a Zapruder film.
>> It's a back. You're going to let me
freaking get my thought, Joe. >> Sorry.
>> Sorry.
>> It's so easy for me to get distracted.
Just hanging out with
>> So, if you look at this video, you see
him saying something to me and then when
I leave, it's two different [ __ ]
comics on the [ __ ] stage. It's a dude
that I was roasting and then they showed
me the exit and then these kill Tony
[ __ ] ass [ __ ] And I'm telling
you, I'll get past it. They may Oh,
Darnell walked off. I didn't walked off.
I had some other [ __ ] to do. And then
the last episode, you and your boy Tony,
he caught here and Tony doubled down on
it and he said, "No, that's not what
happened." Of course, them comment
[ __ ] the ones that be putting
cringe on here, they rolled with it. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Then I came back.
>> Came back. He had an amazing show.
>> Tony said it was one of the best shows
he's ever done.
>> You know why it was amazing?
>> Because you were ready. I I'm amazing.
>> You You are amazing. But also, you
wanted to get it back, >> right?
>> right?
>> I didn't have You know what? This is
what Red Man said to me. Red band. Red
Man, whatever the [ __ ] his name, he
changed, too. I'm going to tell you
about in the Wuang Club.
>> Let me tell you,
>> I'm going to tell you the difference
between him and I'm going to tell you
the similarities between him and Jamie a
little later on, right? Okay.
>> How they're divas now. And I know you
>> Jamie. My Jamie's a diva. He has a false
memory of someone already. I'll let him
go. is the last thing from a [ __ ]
diva. I will defend Jamie to the bitter end.
end.
>> Well, maybe you don't know him, BUT
>> I DON'T KNOW. JAMIE.
>> YO, LET ME TELL YOU. THIS IS JAMIE.
>> I KNOW JAMIE BETTER THAN his mom.
>> I know, but this is the Jamie I saw.
>> Kill Tony after.
>> Sit down. You're not on camera. Saturday night.
night.
>> Okay. He had a leather jacket on.
>> Don't have a leather jacket.
>> Jamie had a leather jacket. Did he own a
leather jacket? WHATEVER IT WAS.
>> YOU OWN A LEATHER JACKET. NO.
>> WAIT. WAIT. WAIT. WAIT. THE COLLAR WAS
FLIPPED UP. YOUR COLLAR WAS FLIPPED UP
>> LIKE DICE. And then AND THEN HE HAD THE SHIRT.
SHIRT.
>> You might have had Timmy no brakes.
He had the shirt open to this button
right here.
>> Oh, right. Gold chains.
>> And he was sitting. I don't know what
type of moose.
>> Jimmy had gold chains, boots on his hair,
hair,
>> PONYTAIL WAS POPPING.
HE HAD some type of moose or something,
right? And then he was just looking and
I was like, "What's up, Jamie?" He was
like, he had his hands in his pot. It
was given, as they say, it was given
Fonzy attitude. I knew I knew that had
changed. But this is what Red B Red Man
whatever man he red
>> red man he said after the show he said
that must been the most epic comeback
and kill Tony history. I was like
>> well the second episode was you came
back full
>> you know what you're doing I don't know
it was great
>> I'm trying to use the term I don't I
don't think this past wrestle but you
[ __ ] with my MENTAL RIGHT NOW. OH,
I'M TELLING YOU, YOU'RE A GREAT COMIC
and you're funny as [ __ ] And when you
came back, it was amazing.
>> That's what you're saying.
>> The second episode was great.
>> This is the point I'm making that what
you're doing, >> right?
>> right?
>> The first episode was great.
>> It was It was Dr. VIDEO.
YOU do it. But then then here's the
thing. They said the Red Man, Red Band,
he said
he said that was the greatest comeback.
I was like, it wasn't a comeback. You're
editing what it was. And this is what I DID.
DID.
>> YOU'RE EDITING.
>> THIS IS WHAT I DID.
>> And I'm not saying I think about the
kill Tony audience like that, but I
thought about them cuz what? This is
what I said. I was like, this is what I
went. Like you say, I'm a great comment.
I know what I do. I said, you know what?
I don't want to give these [ __ ]
opportunity to be able to [ __ ] with me.
So I did
>> before I went that last. I said, okay,
what did you do last time that you're
going to do different for they want to
say that? I was like, the last one you
had some drinks. Well, I I wasn't able
to do anything about that cuz I had some
more drinks. But I was like I tried to
address what their concerns were, right? Which with them, it's not going to make
Which with them, it's not going to make a difference cuz I know that last
a difference cuz I know that last episode what this is what I didn't
episode what this is what I didn't understand about Kill Tony. I didn't
understand about Kill Tony. I didn't understand the the formula. I don't
understand the the formula. I don't watch it like that. First time I ever
watch it like that. First time I ever did it, I was interrupting the one
did it, I was interrupting the one minute part. You know what I mean?
minute part. You know what I mean? >> Oh, okay.
>> Oh, okay. >> And Tony told me the first time I did
>> And Tony told me the first time I did it, he said, "D only one rule." He said,
it, he said, "D only one rule." He said, "Let them talk for a minute." I said,
"Let them talk for a minute." I said, "Tony, why you have this on me on this
"Tony, why you have this on me on this show? You know, I'm going to break the
show? You know, I'm going to break the rules."
rules." >> And he knew that, right? But then after
>> And he knew that, right? But then after I I was like, I understood how important
I I was like, I understood how important it was to let those comics get that
it was to let those comics get that minute,
minute, >> right?
>> right? >> So, when I did it the second time with
>> So, when I did it the second time with Rob Schneider, I didn't interrupt.
Rob Schneider, I didn't interrupt. Sometimes my criticism could have been
Sometimes my criticism could have been too hard. I was trying to be more
too hard. I was trying to be more supportive than anything. If you watch
supportive than anything. If you watch the last one I did, I had nothing bad to
the last one I did, I had nothing bad to say about people in a harsh way. Certain
say about people in a harsh way. Certain people I knew was up there just because
people I knew was up there just because it was gimmick. And there were certain
it was gimmick. And there were certain people I was like, "Oh man, they've
people I was like, "Oh man, they've really got talent." Like this one lady,
really got talent." Like this one lady, she was an older woman. I think she's a
she was an older woman. I think she's a regular there, right? I don't know what
regular there, right? I don't know what she know what she was. But I told her, I
she know what she was. But I told her, I said, you know, it's so awesome. I said,
said, you know, it's so awesome. I said, when I watch you perform, I see passion.
when I watch you perform, I see passion. I see somebody that's going into a
I see somebody that's going into a different career later in life, which is
different career later in life, which is the hardest thing to do. I made those
the hardest thing to do. I made those points like, and I wasn't trying to be
points like, and I wasn't trying to be an [ __ ] And even I got caught up in
an [ __ ] And even I got caught up in one. They ran with this [ __ ]
one. They ran with this [ __ ] And it's a song that uh there was one of
And it's a song that uh there was one of the acts by the name of Wanita.
the acts by the name of Wanita. Wanita is a a gender what is it when you
Wanita is a a gender what is it when you >> transgender?
>> transgender? >> Yeah. You have a dick but you're a girl
>> Yeah. You have a dick but you're a girl still.
still. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Transgender. Right. So she came up
>> Yeah. Transgender. Right. So she came up with this song. She did a song we we
with this song. She did a song we we will praise you. Praise you. And I had a
will praise you. Praise you. And I had a couple drinks. Right. And I said and I
couple drinks. Right. And I said and I was thinking like
was thinking like >> [ __ ] you don't have that song.
>> [ __ ] you don't have that song. >> What? What? Jamie.
>> What? What? Jamie. >> I just started playing it. Sorry.
>> I just started playing it. Sorry. >> What? Just stop. Oh, you geared up for
>> What? Just stop. Oh, you geared up for that [ __ ] huh? You
that [ __ ] huh? You >> put your headphones on.
>> put your headphones on. >> No, listen.
>> No, listen. >> Put your headphones on.
>> Put your headphones on. >> Oh god. Okay.
>> Go. >> Go ahead.
>> All right. >> Wait a minute. That's Wanita's version.
>> Wait a minute. That's Wanita's version. >> That's
>> That's the Okay. Okay.
the Okay. Okay. >> Do you got Wanita's version?
>> Do you got Wanita's version? >> Oh, I can find that.
>> Oh, I can find that. >> Get the So, this is what happened, Joe.
>> Get the So, this is what happened, Joe. So, I'm I had a couple two two three
So, I'm I had a couple two two three four five Titos in
four five Titos in >> and I'm only looking at the artist with
>> and I'm only looking at the artist with my peripheral. I'm not staring nobody
my peripheral. I'm not staring nobody down and like looking at them through
down and like looking at them through the pupils or whatever. So, the
the pupils or whatever. So, the performer I'm going to say that cuz I
performer I'm going to say that cuz I don't want to get anybody upset. The
don't want to get anybody upset. The performer was like,
performer was like, >> "Here we go.
>> "Here we go. Obviously, I'll let him talk to SA.
Obviously, I'll let him talk to SA. >> Okay. Now, look how I'm not paying
>> Okay. Now, look how I'm not paying attention,
attention, >> right? You're looking right AT HER.
>> right? You're looking right AT HER. >> SHUT THE [ __ ] UP.
>> SHUT THE [ __ ] UP. >> OKAY. LISTEN.
>> OKAY. LISTEN. >> All right. We'll see.
>> Um, so it's very strange when in 2008. >> Sorry.
>> Sorry. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Oh, they had to cut it out, too, I
>> Oh, they had to cut it out, too, I think.
think. >> Probably the song. Yeah.
>> Probably the song. Yeah. >> I That's the gayest thing I've ever
>> I That's the gayest thing I've ever done.
And I do anal, >> believe it or not.
>> believe it or not. >> Wanita, welcome back to the show.
>> Wanita, welcome back to the show. >> Can I do a remix of that song for any
>> Can I do a remix of that song for any black guy watching her RIGHT NOW?
black guy watching her RIGHT NOW? >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> WE WILL. WE WILL. [ __ ] YOU.
>> WE WILL. WE WILL. [ __ ] YOU. >> Probably true until you find out she has
>> Probably true until you find out she has a dick. Darnell,
a dick. Darnell, >> that is a
>> that is a >> Keep it going. Don't
>> Keep it going. Don't >> keep it going. This is amazing.
>> keep it going. This is amazing. >> That's how it happens, ladies and
>> That's how it happens, ladies and gentlemen.
gentlemen. They can't tell.
They can't tell. >> No. No. Come back.
>> The brothers. The brothers can't tell. THE BROTHERS CAN'T.
THE BROTHERS CAN'T. >> THEY WILL. THEY WILL.
>> THEY WILL. THEY WILL. >> They never The last place.
>> They never The last place. >> I WAS TRYING TO BE NICE.
>> I WAS TRYING TO BE NICE. >> The last
>> The last but
but >> Keep it going. Keep it going cuz it's
>> Keep it going. Keep it going cuz it's hilarious.
>> Whereas white guys know >> that's the first place the white guys
>> that's the first place the white guys look.
>> I'm Charlemagne's going to find that clip.
Charlemagne's going to find that clip. You will. We will. We will. [ __ ] you.
You will. We will. We will. [ __ ] you. You are You are [ __ ] ON NOW.
You are You are [ __ ] ON NOW. I'M
I'M >> GETTING word from the street.
>> GETTING word from the street. I'm
I'm >> getting word from the street.
>> getting word from the street. I'm sure this happened.
I'm sure this happened. >> I DON'T WANT TO GET BANNED LIKE DAVE
>> I DON'T WANT TO GET BANNED LIKE DAVE CHAPPELLE, [ __ ]
CHAPPELLE, [ __ ] >> DANIEL, I'm sure this HAPPENED BEFORE IN
>> DANIEL, I'm sure this HAPPENED BEFORE IN KOREA.
KOREA. >> ME, SON.
>> ME, SON. >> I'm sure in Korea, as an 18-year-old
>> I'm sure in Korea, as an 18-year-old boy, this is a memory coming back to
boy, this is a memory coming back to you.
you. >> Oh my god.
>> Oh my god. >> This is usually how black guys react.
>> This is usually how black guys react. It's pretty.
It's pretty. >> Juanita, have you been with a black man
>> Juanita, have you been with a black man before?
before? >> We go there.
>> We go there. >> Keep it going. Keep it going. Guess it
>> Keep it going. Keep it going. Guess it gets you on fire.
gets you on fire. >> Okay. Are you just saying that so that
>> Okay. Are you just saying that so that he doesn't find you and kill you?
he doesn't find you and kill you? >> No, I was raised rat. I'm just kidding.
>> No, I was raised rat. I'm just kidding. I mean, that's a joke.
I mean, that's a joke. >> Oh [ __ ]
>> Oh [ __ ] >> Now I'm offended.
>> Now I'm offended. >> No, I have been I've been with one. He
>> No, I have been I've been with one. He was half.
was half. >> Okay. He was half
>> Okay. He was half >> half a black.
>> half a black. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> My career is over, [ __ ]
Yeah, >> come on. That was funny.
>> come on. That was funny. >> No, wait a minute. It was funny. And I
>> No, wait a minute. It was funny. And I didn't take The funny thing about it was
didn't take The funny thing about it was I had I did have a couple of drinks,
I had I did have a couple of drinks, right? People like, "How did you not
right? People like, "How did you not know?" Like um I live in the Midwest and
know?" Like um I live in the Midwest and what I really thought it would I know
what I really thought it would I know women that look just like Wanita
women that look just like Wanita >> that in the face is kind of like sketchy
>> that in the face is kind of like sketchy like a Dollar General one to two. And uh
like a Dollar General one to two. And uh I wasn't offended, but it just it just
I wasn't offended, but it just it just caught me off guard. But what I'm going
caught me off guard. But what I'm going back to what I was saying about the kill
back to what I was saying about the kill Tony thing, and this is another thing
Tony thing, and this is another thing people said, "Well, Darnell, you got
people said, "Well, Darnell, you got upset cuz Rob Schneider was roasting you
upset cuz Rob Schneider was roasting you and whatever." First off, there was the
and whatever." First off, there was the first time Rob Schneider was on the
first time Rob Schneider was on the show, right? He didn't really know too
show, right? He didn't really know too much about the Kill Tony platform. I
much about the Kill Tony platform. I knew a little more than he did. And at
knew a little more than he did. And at the beginning, he was kind of cold, if
the beginning, he was kind of cold, if you want to say, not cold, like not
you want to say, not cold, like not funny, but he just wasn't warmed up to
funny, but he just wasn't warmed up to the flow. And then I started saying
the flow. And then I started saying things. We was I was alleyooping him,
things. We was I was alleyooping him, right? And basically people can say what
right? And basically people can say what they want. I helped get him comfortable
they want. I helped get him comfortable in the show and then he started
in the show and then he started crushing. Right. He started crushing and
crushing. Right. He started crushing and then we did we anybody tell you that
then we did we anybody tell you that episode was amazing. Right. It
episode was amazing. Right. It >> was amazing.
>> was amazing. >> And but this is the thing. This is what
>> And but this is the thing. This is what that play that platform is not a place
that play that platform is not a place for you to tell how you really feel
for you to tell how you really feel about somebody. Right. And I owe Tony an
about somebody. Right. And I owe Tony an apology. And I'll tell you why. When
apology. And I'll tell you why. When Tony did the um um RN Republic National
Tony did the um um RN Republic National Convention, whatever.
Convention, whatever. >> Remember when he did the roasting?
>> Remember when he did the roasting? >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> For that, it was a very very testy time.
>> For that, it was a very very testy time. You know, politics, everybody said you
You know, politics, everybody said you shouldn't do this and everything.
shouldn't do this and everything. >> I told him not to do it.
>> I told him not to do it. >> You told him not to do the show or not
>> You told him not to do the show or not to do
to do >> the Republican party thing.
>> the Republican party thing. >> Here's the thing, and this is what just
>> Here's the thing, and this is what just for the people that's listening, this is
for the people that's listening, this is what happened at the end of that Kill
what happened at the end of that Kill Tony with me and Rob Schneider. All I
Tony with me and Rob Schneider. All I wanted to do I I I had the question on
wanted to do I I I had the question on where do you draw the line? Do you draw
where do you draw the line? Do you draw a line of what people think how you
a line of what people think how you supposed to respond something or do you
supposed to respond something or do you loy are you loyal to somebody on how
loy are you loyal to somebody on how they treat you and how they are as a
they treat you and how they are as a friend to you? And Tony wanted me to do
friend to you? And Tony wanted me to do that show and anytime I've called Tony
that show and anytime I've called Tony he's pick up the phone vice versa. We've
he's pick up the phone vice versa. We've been for each other. my publicist.
been for each other. my publicist. I don't know if this is a good idea
I don't know if this is a good idea right now to because what you think is a
right now to because what you think is a nice gesture, you want to do the show,
nice gesture, you want to do the show, people gonna act like it's a political
people gonna act like it's a political stand. I didn't want that, right? So, I
stand. I didn't want that, right? So, I had
had >> listen to publicists.
>> listen to publicists. >> This is what I learned now, Joe. You
>> This is what I learned now, Joe. You know what I'm saying? That was my
know what I'm saying? That was my inexperience. Whatever. And something I
inexperience. Whatever. And something I kept calling her. I was like, "What if I
kept calling her. I was like, "What if I do this?" Cuz I wanted to be reconnected
do this?" Cuz I wanted to be reconnected with him, whatever. And I told Tony, he
with him, whatever. And I told Tony, he was hot in a good way, and a positive
was hot in a good way, and a positive way. I felt so bad. I caught him. I
way. I felt so bad. I caught him. I said, "Man, I really want to do the
said, "Man, I really want to do the show, but I think people gonna take it
show, but I think people gonna take it the wrong way now." Right. And this was
the wrong way now." Right. And this was with me. I felt bad about it. I stood up
with me. I felt bad about it. I stood up at your condo. I was on the balcony,
at your condo. I was on the balcony, bro. And I watched [ __ ] going
bro. And I watched [ __ ] going to the show. I felt bad about it. I
to the show. I felt bad about it. I didn't do it. And the only thing I
didn't do it. And the only thing I wanted to do at the end of that Kill
wanted to do at the end of that Kill Tony episode was to apologize to him and
Tony episode was to apologize to him and say, you know, as a friend, I probably
say, you know, as a friend, I probably wasn't there. And he understood even I
wasn't there. And he understood even I was like, he's never going to let me do
was like, he's never going to let me do the show again. He said, "I'd love to
the show again. He said, "I'd love to have you there." The only issue I had
have you there." The only issue I had with Rob Schneider in that moment, he
with Rob Schneider in that moment, he didn't have the sense of me trying to
didn't have the sense of me trying to say something serious, right? And he he
say something serious, right? And he he was getting a laugh off this one joke
was getting a laugh off this one joke and it was at my expense. You know, when
and it was at my expense. You know, when I had this moment, I was talking about
I had this moment, I was talking about friendship and everything.
friendship and everything. Rob kept on with this [ __ ] corny joke
Rob kept on with this [ __ ] corny joke and I didn't want to flip out and then
and I didn't want to flip out and then people took that as like, "Oh yeah, Rob
people took that as like, "Oh yeah, Rob roasted him. The [ __ ] out of here." I
roasted him. The [ __ ] out of here." I was trying to talk about and I had this
was trying to talk about and I had this issue. You might have the same issue.
issue. You might have the same issue. Some people know people certain way, you
Some people know people certain way, you know them different way. And I use an
know them different way. And I use an example and I'm going to get [ __ ] on
example and I'm going to get [ __ ] on for saying this or whatever. Like, oh,
for saying this or whatever. Like, oh, how could you say that?
how could you say that? >> I um
>> I um >> you got to stop worrying about what
>> you got to stop worrying about what other people think.
other people think. >> Can't do it. I can't do it.
>> Can't do it. I can't do it. >> You got to stop worrying about what
>> You got to stop worrying about what other people think. This is this is the
other people think. This is this is the conflict. You you know how you feel.
conflict. You you know how you feel. >> Just be yourself.
>> Just be yourself. >> I'll just say this. Kid Rock. Kid Rock.
>> I'll just say this. Kid Rock. Kid Rock. Right.
Right. You say that name for some people in
You say that name for some people in certain places they like, "Oh, [ __ ]
certain places they like, "Oh, [ __ ] him." or whatever. Right.
him." or whatever. Right. >> I met Kid Rock some years ago when we
>> I met Kid Rock some years ago when we were doing the uh Cornfield shows in um
were doing the uh Cornfield shows in um in Yellow Springs. And I tell people
in Yellow Springs. And I tell people some, and we talked about this earlier,
some, and we talked about this earlier, some people are provocators.
some people are provocators. >> I really believe Kid Rock doesn't
>> I really believe Kid Rock doesn't believe half the [ __ ] he say, but I
believe half the [ __ ] he say, but I think that he knows what's going to move
think that he knows what's going to move the Dow is what's going to make him be
the Dow is what's going to make him be in the headlines or what people like,
in the headlines or what people like, "Oh [ __ ] he's gonna stick to that."
"Oh [ __ ] he's gonna stick to that." >> When we did that show in Nashville,
>> When we did that show in Nashville, remember we hung out with him, went to
remember we hung out with him, went to his house.
his house. >> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Yeah. Exactly. >> Um and and with that, even when he came
>> Um and and with that, even when he came to conference that time, this was the
to conference that time, this was the point where he says some crazy [ __ ] out
point where he says some crazy [ __ ] out of his mouth. Nobody wanted to be around
of his mouth. Nobody wanted to be around him or anything. Right. They was like,
him or anything. Right. They was like, "Oh,
"Oh, >> right."
>> right." >> Right. You know, when I do I do this
>> Right. You know, when I do I do this thing called I do river runs in in
thing called I do river runs in in Yellow Springs, Ohio. And for some
Yellow Springs, Ohio. And for some reason, I take people down the river and
reason, I take people down the river and it's like a peach thing like you in
it's like a peach thing like you in nature.
nature. >> Got a photo of you right outside the
>> Got a photo of you right outside the door.
door. >> I know. I asked for that photo here too.
>> I know. I asked for that photo here too. Right outside the door. I love that. So
Right outside the door. I love that. So now if you look at that photo, you'll
now if you look at that photo, you'll see the energy. That's the vibe I was
see the energy. That's the vibe I was on. And nobody wanted to get close to
on. And nobody wanted to get close to Kid Rock or anything, right? And I
Kid Rock or anything, right? And I remember as a kid how the black
remember as a kid how the black community accepted him. He was cool. I'm
community accepted him. He was cool. I'm thinking about that [ __ ] We're riding
thinking about that [ __ ] We're riding down the river. Kid is over on one
down the river. Kid is over on one kayak. I'm on the other side. We smoking
kayak. I'm on the other side. We smoking a joint. And he looked at me and I know
a joint. And he looked at me and I know he was sincere and he said it. He said,
he was sincere and he said it. He said, "Man, it feel like I just had 13 hours
"Man, it feel like I just had 13 hours of anger management, right?" And I was
of anger management, right?" And I was like, "Okay, I'm not trying to be a
like, "Okay, I'm not trying to be a therapist or anything, but that felt
therapist or anything, but that felt good." Then at the end, we stopped. He's
good." Then at the end, we stopped. He's flipping burgers and [ __ ] We got to
flipping burgers and [ __ ] We got to know each other. come in touch with each
know each other. come in touch with each other and um he was doing a comedy
other and um he was doing a comedy festival in Nashville, right? He
festival in Nashville, right? He appreciated me as a comedian. He said,
appreciated me as a comedian. He said, "Yo, D, I'm doing this." I was like one
"Yo, D, I'm doing this." I was like one of the first people he called, right? He
of the first people he called, right? He said, "You want to do it?" I was like,
said, "You want to do it?" I was like, "Why not?" Then I thought about I was
"Why not?" Then I thought about I was like, "What?" Again, what you're saying,
like, "What?" Again, what you're saying, I was like, "What people going to
I was like, "What people going to think?" Seven comedians on the show. I'm
think?" Seven comedians on the show. I'm the only black guy. I knew what I was
the only black guy. I knew what I was walking into. I knew it was going to be
walking into. I knew it was going to be all Maggas.
all Maggas. It wasn't going to be a gay person. It
It wasn't going to be a gay person. It wasn't going to be a [ __ ] It wasn't
wasn't going to be a [ __ ] It wasn't going to be a lesbian. It wasn't going
going to be a lesbian. It wasn't going to be anything but bonafide the real
to be anything but bonafide the real real red, white, and blue flag
real red, white, and blue flag [ __ ] But I said, "Darnell, can
[ __ ] But I said, "Darnell, can you separate? Can you go up here? Can
you separate? Can you go up here? Can you perform and and be entertaining, not
you perform and and be entertaining, not shucking, and jing or none of that type
shucking, and jing or none of that type of [ __ ] I went up there, last person
of [ __ ] I went up there, last person got a standing ovation right at the end
got a standing ovation right at the end of the show." This is what people might
of the show." This is what people might not understand, and I'm not trying to
not understand, and I'm not trying to defend them or anything. At the end of
defend them or anything. At the end of the show, me and Kid Rock, or in this
the show, me and Kid Rock, or in this case, I want to say Kid Rock wasn't
case, I want to say Kid Rock wasn't backstage. Bobby was, right?
backstage. Bobby was, right? >> And he said, "Man," he looked at me, he
>> And he said, "Man," he looked at me, he said, "Man, I think we just brought this
said, "Man, I think we just brought this country back together, right?" And I
country back together, right?" And I said, "Well, don't separate it,
said, "Well, don't separate it, motherfucker." He said, "Okay." Two
motherfucker." He said, "Okay." Two weeks later, he do some other stupid
weeks later, he do some other stupid [ __ ] When when when when Trump got
[ __ ] When when when when Trump got elected, I know people went to his page
elected, I know people went to his page to see what his response was going to
to see what his response was going to be. Was he gonna gloat? We like, "Fuck
be. Was he gonna gloat? We like, "Fuck y'all. This is America." He did this
y'all. This is America." He did this video, which I thought was so dope cuz
video, which I thought was so dope cuz it showed two sides of him. It showed
it showed two sides of him. It showed Kid Rock and it showed Bobby, right? And
Kid Rock and it showed Bobby, right? And then how they both uh responded to
then how they both uh responded to Donald Trump being elected. The Kid Rock
Donald Trump being elected. The Kid Rock was the crotch grabbing [ __ ]
was the crotch grabbing [ __ ] [ __ ] you. Right. Then he came out, you
[ __ ] you. Right. Then he came out, you find this, he came out as Bobby with
find this, he came out as Bobby with shorts, just no American flags, baseball
shorts, just no American flags, baseball cap, [ __ ] reading glasses or
cap, [ __ ] reading glasses or whatever. And I thought it was dope the
whatever. And I thought it was dope the dialogue that he had with it. He played
dialogue that he had with it. He played the victory. He said, you know, you
the victory. He said, you know, you know, we did win. He said, but this is
know, we did win. He said, but this is not a time to gloat. It's so much stuff
not a time to gloat. It's so much stuff that we need to do. He said, all sides
that we need to do. He said, all sides want to get to a certain place, but we
want to get to a certain place, but we have different ideas on how we going to
have different ideas on how we going to get there. I thought that for whatever
get there. I thought that for whatever people want to think, I thought that was
people want to think, I thought that was showing another side. And also, I told
showing another side. And also, I told him cuz I would talk to him off and on.
him cuz I would talk to him off and on. I said, "You know what song that you
I said, "You know what song that you should do? You should do Nina Simone's
should do? You should do Nina Simone's uh song um uh misunderstood,
uh song um uh misunderstood, right? Just sing that shit." But I know
right? Just sing that shit." But I know he wouldn't never do that because the
he wouldn't never do that because the base that really likes to resp support
base that really likes to resp support him might be like, "Oh, he's soft." Now,
him might be like, "Oh, he's soft." Now, the point I'm making with even though
the point I'm making with even though with Tony with the situation, I consider
with Tony with the situation, I consider Tony a good friend of mine for different
Tony a good friend of mine for different reasons, right? That's why I wanted to
reasons, right? That's why I wanted to have that moment to say that, but Rob
have that moment to say that, but Rob Schneider, as much as they say I took
Schneider, as much as they say I took away from moments on that show, he took
away from moments on that show, he took away from that moment. I wasn't trying
away from that moment. I wasn't trying to be a [ __ ] I wasn't trying to be
to be a [ __ ] I wasn't trying to be soft, but I wanted to say I apologize
soft, but I wanted to say I apologize cuz sometimes friendships got to be
cuz sometimes friendships got to be stronger than that. And that's where I
stronger than that. And that's where I was with that. And as much as I don't
was with that. And as much as I don't need
need the Kill Tony show and this is what I
the Kill Tony show and this is what I always say about that show. I said
always say about that show. I said there's not that reminds me Kill Tony
there's not that reminds me Kill Tony reminds me of the Death Jam era, right?
reminds me of the Death Jam era, right? And when I say that there was a platform
And when I say that there was a platform for undiscovered talent, people that you
for undiscovered talent, people that you never seen for it's such a spectacle
never seen for it's such a spectacle like Death Jam. It was people that
like Death Jam. It was people that didn't have the skill set to [ __ ] go
didn't have the skill set to [ __ ] go headline but they was being seen. Same
headline but they was being seen. Same thing with Kill Tony. You look at what
thing with Kill Tony. You look at what >> is your phone on? Is your phone
>> is your phone on? Is your phone dingering? Shut up.
dingering? Shut up. >> You look at this. What I appreciate
>> You look at this. What I appreciate about this show for whoever likes it or
about this show for whoever likes it or whatever.
whatever. >> It's a platform to get on.
>> It's a platform to get on. >> I travel around the country. It used to
>> I travel around the country. It used to be, you remember back in the day it was
be, you remember back in the day it was like, "Oh, I need to be on Letterman. I
like, "Oh, I need to be on Letterman. I need to be on Carson." Whatever. That is
need to be on Carson." Whatever. That is the I got to get on Kill Tone
the I got to get on Kill Tone >> 100%.
>> 100%. >> And in some cases there's some good and
>> And in some cases there's some good and bad to that. There some people that was
bad to that. There some people that was ready for it. There's some people like,
ready for it. There's some people like, you know what, you had two or three
you know what, you had two or three minutes worth of jokes. You know what
minutes worth of jokes. You know what I'm saying? You're not ready. But it
I'm saying? You're not ready. But it gave people some hope. When I was
gave people some hope. When I was staying at the hotel the other day,
staying at the hotel the other day, three people travel across the country
three people travel across the country like with the hopes of that, you know.
like with the hopes of that, you know. So, I know how important that show is,
So, I know how important that show is, you know. Is it the fan base? I want
you know. Is it the fan base? I want them to be like, "Oh, I can't wait to
them to be like, "Oh, I can't wait to see them." But for me, I always my whole
see them." But for me, I always my whole career, Joe, I always want to be around
career, Joe, I always want to be around the people, the places that they say the
the people, the places that they say the best comedians perform. When I started
best comedians perform. When I started um when I was in New York, I always I
um when I was in New York, I always I wanted to get past the comedy seller.
wanted to get past the comedy seller. Not because I wanted to be a seller
Not because I wanted to be a seller dweller. I didn't want to be the guy in
dweller. I didn't want to be the guy in the back [ __ ] just every weekend just
the back [ __ ] just every weekend just sit back there telling war stories. I
sit back there telling war stories. I was like, if this is where the best
was like, if this is where the best comics perform, I want to be a part of
comics perform, I want to be a part of that. I want to be past that. Cuz when I
that. I want to be past that. Cuz when I got past in the comedy seller, it wasn't
got past in the comedy seller, it wasn't a lot of black comedians working. It was
a lot of black comedians working. It was Greer Barnes. It was Keith Robinson.
Greer Barnes. It was Keith Robinson. RIP. It was William Stevenson. Patrice
RIP. It was William Stevenson. Patrice >> Patrice Dave Chappelle. In fact, uh
>> Patrice Dave Chappelle. In fact, uh Barry Catz had a room uh Boston Comedy
Barry Catz had a room uh Boston Comedy Club and it was black night on Sundays,
Club and it was black night on Sundays, right? The black comedian looked at me
right? The black comedian looked at me like they said, "Where you going?" I was
like they said, "Where you going?" I was like, "I got a spot of the seller."
like, "I got a spot of the seller." Like, "How the [ __ ] did you get in the
Like, "How the [ __ ] did you get in the cellar?" The way I got into it was put
cellar?" The way I got into it was put to work in, I hung out, got a couple of
to work in, I hung out, got a couple of recommendations, and when it's time for
recommendations, and when it's time for me to showcase, I did my thing. But the
me to showcase, I did my thing. But the minute I got past in the seller, I
minute I got past in the seller, I didn't really care about working there
didn't really care about working there all the time. I just wanted to be
all the time. I just wanted to be validated as like this is the spot. Same
validated as like this is the spot. Same thing,
thing, >> you know. Same thing with the comedy
>> you know. Same thing with the comedy store. Same thing with what you doing
store. Same thing with what you doing here. It was that part of it.
here. It was that part of it. >> I get it. Um Greg Barnes probably one of
>> I get it. Um Greg Barnes probably one of the most underappreciated talents in the
the most underappreciated talents in the country.
country. >> But you know what?
>> But you know what? >> I've known that dude for 30 years. He's
>> I've known that dude for 30 years. He's a funny [ __ ] and he's been funny
a funny [ __ ] and he's been funny forever.
forever. >> You know, it's so funny that you said
>> You know, it's so funny that you said underappreciated because you know when
underappreciated because you know when you you know comedians that put the work
you you know comedians that put the work in or whatever. It's a phrase that
in or whatever. It's a phrase that people use underrated, but then you got
people use underrated, but then you got to ask who rated. You didn't use those
to ask who rated. You didn't use those words. You said underappreciated, but he
words. You said underappreciated, but he is.
is. I don't know. Sometimes you got to ask
I don't know. Sometimes you got to ask yourself,
yourself, >> he's not underrated by comics. He's
>> he's not underrated by comics. He's underappreciated by audience members for
underappreciated by audience members for whatever reason. I think it's a social
whatever reason. I think it's a social media thing. I just think he doesn't
media thing. I just think he doesn't have a big presence on social media for
have a big presence on social media for whatever reason. He's a solid solid
whatever reason. He's a solid solid [ __ ] comic though. Always has been
[ __ ] comic though. Always has been >> and a solid guy
>> and a solid guy >> and a good dude.
>> and a good dude. >> But that's another thing. This is the
>> But that's another thing. This is the era that we in right now. And it's like,
era that we in right now. And it's like, and you notice it's even more so now.
and you notice it's even more so now. The most talented people aren't getting
The most talented people aren't getting the shots if you don't know how to
the shots if you don't know how to evolve. Well, it's not even just that
evolve. Well, it's not even just that because like look at Dave, not Dave
because like look at Dave, not Dave Chappelle, excuse me, David. David Tel,
Chappelle, excuse me, David. David Tel, I think, is one of the funniest dudes
I think, is one of the funniest dudes who's ever lived ever. Ever. One of the
who's ever lived ever. Ever. One of the best comics ever in the history of
best comics ever in the history of comedy and mostly does clubs and does
comedy and mostly does clubs and does like theaters and stuff like that. He
like theaters and stuff like that. He should be sold out arenas all across the
should be sold out arenas all across the country, but he does not promote
country, but he does not promote himself. He's not into social media,
himself. He's not into social media, >> but I don't think other than specials.
>> but I don't think other than specials. >> I don't think I think a tale would be
>> I don't think I think a tale would be petrified. Not that he couldn't do it
petrified. Not that he couldn't do it and it was pro. What remember with the
and it was pro. What remember with the show he had? What was that? The late
show he had? What was that? The late night show. That was before anybody was
night show. That was before anybody was doing it.
doing it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> The late night show he go to bars and
>> The late night show he go to bars and stuff like that.
stuff like that. >> Insomniac.
>> Insomniac. >> Yeah. Insomniac. This is before
>> Yeah. Insomniac. This is before everybody was doing. I don't think that
everybody was doing. I don't think that some people they like I think he's
some people they like I think he's always going to make millions of dollars
always going to make millions of dollars touring or whatever. But I think his
touring or whatever. But I think his comfort zone is like he's a not a club
comfort zone is like he's a not a club act, but he's a club comment. I think
act, but he's a club comment. I think the best thing for him he ever wants to
the best thing for him he ever wants to be is in front of 250 to 500 people.
be is in front of 250 to 500 people. Well, he's awesome in that, but he does
Well, he's awesome in that, but he does like when Bert does arenas, he does
like when Bert does arenas, he does arenas and he murders in arenas.
arenas and he murders in arenas. >> I think the the real thing with him is
>> I think the the real thing with him is that he's just focused on his craft
that he's just focused on his craft only. And the props that he gets from
only. And the props that he gets from other comedians on podcasts and things
other comedians on podcasts and things along those lines is what really fuels
along those lines is what really fuels his popularity. And then when people go
his popularity. And then when people go to see him, just word of mouth.
to see him, just word of mouth. >> Do you think some people might be afraid
>> Do you think some people might be afraid of a certain level of fame that they
of a certain level of fame that they don't want to have?
don't want to have? >> There is that. But I don't think he's
>> There is that. But I don't think he's that. I just don't think he thinks about
that. I just don't think he thinks about it. I mean, he doesn't even have a
it. I mean, he doesn't even have a phone. Like, he he carries a flip phone
phone. Like, he he carries a flip phone with him all the time. He has a iPhone
with him all the time. He has a iPhone that he like stores away and sometimes
that he like stores away and sometimes he uses it. But when you text him, he
he uses it. But when you text him, he texts you on like Well, you got to press
texts you on like Well, you got to press four times. Joe, you know what that is,
four times. Joe, you know what that is, right?
right? >> Well, he doesn't want to be distracted.
>> Well, he doesn't want to be distracted. >> He's in the Epstein files.
>> Yo, distracted. >> You need to burn a phone if you heavily
>> You need to burn a phone if you heavily in the Epste files. Uh, no. I think
in the Epste files. Uh, no. I think >> he's only in the Epstein files cuz he
>> he's only in the Epstein files cuz he was on a lineup that Epstein was going
was on a lineup that Epstein was going to go see at the cellar.
to go see at the cellar. >> I think David Tail,
>> I think David Tail, >> Louis J is on that too.
>> Louis J is on that too. >> That I I like him. I think David Tail is
>> That I I like him. I think David Tail is like I think Dave Tail's ultimate
like I think Dave Tail's ultimate happiness is being on.
happiness is being on. >> Shut your [ __ ] phone off, man. Put
>> Shut your [ __ ] phone off, man. Put that [ __ ] on silent. Just put it on
that [ __ ] on silent. Just put it on silent. Do you know how to do that? You
silent. Do you know how to do that? You don't know how to do that.
don't know how to do that. >> Don't disrespect me like that.
>> Don't disrespect me like that. >> Put it on do not disturb. You know how
>> Put it on do not disturb. You know how to do that?
to do that? >> It's okay. It's off. It's off.
>> It's okay. It's off. It's off. >> Okay.
>> Okay. you popular [ __ ]
you popular [ __ ] >> I think some people I think my opinion
>> I think some people I think my opinion David T his comfort zone is [ __ ] just
David T his comfort zone is [ __ ] just being as incognito as he tries to be.
being as incognito as he tries to be. It's just like oh I came up with this. I
It's just like oh I came up with this. I don't know anybody that turns over
don't know anybody that turns over material. There certain comments you
material. There certain comments you look at Joe and you like godamn this
look at Joe and you like godamn this motherfucker's constantly trying.
motherfucker's constantly trying. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Like
>> Like >> when I work with Dave
>> when I work with Dave >> he forces me to do that. Deion Cole is
>> he forces me to do that. Deion Cole is another guy when I watch Deion Cole does
another guy when I watch Deion Cole does like at the Hollywood improv I think
like at the Hollywood improv I think maybe three times a week he just have a
maybe three times a week he just have a Monday night and he just use as a
Monday night and he just use as a workout right me when I go into a spot
workout right me when I go into a spot I'm trying to beat the [ __ ] I'm trying
I'm trying to beat the [ __ ] I'm trying to beat it up so sometimes I get
to beat it up so sometimes I get distracted on what I'm really there for
distracted on what I'm really there for that's work out new material there's
that's work out new material there's such an there's a different level when
such an there's a different level when you just like you know what I could deal
you just like you know what I could deal with the silence I could deal with
with the silence I could deal with something not working and when I watch
something not working and when I watch people like him it's another comedian in
people like him it's another comedian in LA by the name of um Malik S that
LA by the name of um Malik S that doesn't have all that notoriety like
doesn't have all that notoriety like that. But when I see him, I'm like,
that. But when I see him, I'm like, damn, every time I see this
damn, every time I see this [ __ ] he's working on some new
[ __ ] he's working on some new [ __ ] and has the same passion. Everybody
[ __ ] and has the same passion. Everybody doesn't have that. That's why David Tail
doesn't have that. That's why David Tail will always give other comics something
will always give other comics something to like try to achieve cuz he like you
to like try to achieve cuz he like you ain't going to see him doing the same
ain't going to see him doing the same [ __ ] It's always a flip and that's what
[ __ ] It's always a flip and that's what makes him who he is. And that's why he
makes him who he is. And that's why he gets so respected by so many Well, he's
gets so respected by so many Well, he's he's only focused on his craft, whereas
he's only focused on his craft, whereas some people are really focused on social
some people are really focused on social media and promotions, and they have a
media and promotions, and they have a guy that films him doing a bunch of wild
guy that films him doing a bunch of wild things and edits with music. And
things and edits with music. And >> I've never seen so many comedians have
>> I've never seen so many comedians have fullout production crews with him,
fullout production crews with him, >> right?
>> right? >> On an intro.
>> On an intro. >> I know.
>> I know. >> On stage,
>> On stage, >> they think that that's what they need,
>> they think that that's what they need, you know? They think that's what they
you know? They think that's what they need to separate them. and it does get
need to separate them. and it does get them attention. But what it takes away
them attention. But what it takes away it it it does draw some focus away from
it it it does draw some focus away from what you're trying to do which is work
what you're trying to do which is work on your [ __ ] and come up with new stuff
on your [ __ ] and come up with new stuff where a towel doesn't have any of that.
where a towel doesn't have any of that. >> But with that said, it takes away but
>> But with that said, it takes away but then it also lets you know who the
then it also lets you know who the special people are. Right now [ __ ] my
special people are. Right now [ __ ] my goddamn um guy that services my pool and
goddamn um guy that services my pool and [ __ ] say he's got a H he's got a special
[ __ ] say he's got a H he's got a special coming out. I don't know who doesn't
coming out. I don't know who doesn't have a special coming out. And the thing
have a special coming out. And the thing about it is like now Joe, you know it,
about it is like now Joe, you know it, specials aren't, if you really look at
specials aren't, if you really look at it, specials aren't special anymore.
it, specials aren't special anymore. It's special.
It's special. >> It's a weird word, right? Specials are a
>> It's a weird word, right? Specials are a weird world.
weird world. >> It's I got a new special. Like no other
>> It's I got a new special. Like no other art form calls it a special. Like if
art form calls it a special. Like if someone like Taylor Swift puts out a
someone like Taylor Swift puts out a concert video, it's a video of her
concert video, it's a video of her performance. You know, a musician puts
performance. You know, a musician puts out a a video, it's that it's like for a
out a a video, it's that it's like for a comic, we got a weird word special.
comic, we got a weird word special. >> You know what special is now? What? When
>> You know what special is now? What? When you get excited about special, if you
you get excited about special, if you people still do that, it's who's putting
people still do that, it's who's putting it out. It's special people that do it.
it out. It's special people that do it. It's special people like
It's special people like >> um Sebastian, he's doing a special. You
>> um Sebastian, he's doing a special. You know what I'm saying? [ __ ] Tom does a
know what I'm saying? [ __ ] Tom does a special. It's special people where, you
special. It's special people where, you know, it's special. And a lot of them
know, it's special. And a lot of them now is just people that's doing 45
now is just people that's doing 45 minutes worth of comedy. No beginning,
minutes worth of comedy. No beginning, no middle, no end, no point of view. You
no middle, no end, no point of view. You don't know anything about them. It's
don't know anything about them. It's just like the same way they do photo
just like the same way they do photo dumps. It's just like joke dumps,
dumps. It's just like joke dumps, >> right? But I I say and I'm not people
>> right? But I I say and I'm not people say Dave Chappelle's uh butt play, but
say Dave Chappelle's uh butt play, but one thing I could say, however you look
one thing I could say, however you look at
at >> Dave Chappelle's a what?
>> Dave Chappelle's a what? >> No, I'm Dave Chappelle's butt plug. I'm
>> No, I'm Dave Chappelle's butt plug. I'm going back to that's what people, you
going back to that's what people, you know, they
know, they >> You got to stop listening to what other
>> You got to stop listening to what other people say.
people say. >> Joe, I'm segueing into a story.
>> Joe, I'm segueing into a story. >> Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonza
>> Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonza jacket?
jacket? >> Hey,
>> Hey, he's got him in all colors. It's got him
he's got him in all colors. It's got him all.
all. >> He's got a red, white, and blue one,
>> He's got a red, white, and blue one, >> you know, and like people,
>> you know, and like people, >> he took it off before the show.
>> he took it off before the show. >> People get so critical, but at certain
>> People get so critical, but at certain point people evolve.
point people evolve. People that you norm certain way, but
People that you norm certain way, but then you talk about a person has a 35,
then you talk about a person has a 35, 40 year career, like people like, well,
40 year career, like people like, well, this last special so and so did it
this last special so and so did it wasn't that funny. But how often, how
wasn't that funny. But how often, how long are you going to just be like rip
long are you going to just be like rip roaring funny? Some people have a
roaring funny? Some people have a position where when they talk, people
position where when they talk, people listen. And I look at I'll use Dave as
listen. And I look at I'll use Dave as an example. If you look at All Special
an example. If you look at All Special 20 years from now, right, you having
20 years from now, right, you having Netflix and chill day or whatever.
Netflix and chill day or whatever. >> If you play all the special that Dave
>> If you play all the special that Dave ever did, you would know exactly what
ever did, you would know exactly what was going on in the world at that time.
was going on in the world at that time. >> You know what I mean? You know what's
>> You know what I mean? You know what's going Some people put out singles. They
going Some people put out singles. They got one or two jokes. And some people
got one or two jokes. And some people pull out put pull put put out albums.
pull out put pull put put out albums. He's he's one of those people. Sebastian
He's he's one of those people. Sebastian is another one. And you look at like you
is another one. And you look at like you see how his comedy evolved. People get
see how his comedy evolved. People get older. They have different perspective
older. They have different perspective on life and that's what you have to
on life and that's what you have to [ __ ] accept him for. But we don't we
[ __ ] accept him for. But we don't we don't do that. Right.
don't do that. Right. >> And another thing I don't know if this
>> And another thing I don't know if this is prevalent in your community and when
is prevalent in your community and when I say that your community is a lot of
I say that your community is a lot of people but
people but >> my community man is just so much dumb
>> my community man is just so much dumb beef. And I've It's only one wife be
beef. And I've It's only one wife be white beef I've ever known about and
white beef I've ever known about and that's yours.
that's yours. >> Mine?
>> Mine? >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> What do you mean?
>> What do you mean? >> The beef that you had with it. I don't
>> The beef that you had with it. I don't even
even >> Ben.
>> Ben. >> Yeah. Years ago.
>> Yeah. Years ago. >> Oh, well that was the same thing like
>> Oh, well that was the same thing like with Cat. Like some [ __ ] just has to be
with Cat. Like some [ __ ] just has to be exposed. That was a real problem, man.
exposed. That was a real problem, man. You weren't around the store back then,
You weren't around the store back then, but it was a real problem where he had
but it was a real problem where he had that special or that show brother on
that special or that show brother on Comedy Central after Dave left
Comedy Central after Dave left >> which was basically doing his version of
>> which was basically doing his version of Dave's sketches and he was ste.
Dave's sketches and he was ste. >> Do you think it was his version of Dave
>> Do you think it was his version of Dave sketches?
sketches? >> It was a lot of [ __ ] was like the when
>> It was a lot of [ __ ] was like the when when he dressed like the white guy and
when he dressed like the white guy and had white paint on his face and wore the
had white paint on his face and wore the white wig. It was basically the same
white wig. It was basically the same character that Dave was doing.
character that Dave was doing. >> Yeah. But if you look at the history of
>> Yeah. But if you look at the history of sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was
sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was the first person to ever paint dressed
the first person to ever paint dressed himself up to look like But it was right
himself up to look like But it was right afterwards. Right after same slot.
afterwards. Right after same slot. >> Anything that came after Chappelle's
>> Anything that came after Chappelle's show, they would have compared.
show, they would have compared. >> Dave was saying it.
>> Dave was saying it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Dave never talked [ __ ] about nobody. Was
>> Dave never talked [ __ ] about nobody. Was like, "This motherfucker's doing my
like, "This motherfucker's doing my show." Dave was saying it. Dave doesn't
show." Dave was saying it. Dave doesn't talk [ __ ] about nobody,
talk [ __ ] about nobody, >> right?
>> right? >> It was But that was the That was only
>> It was But that was the That was only one of the problems. The real problem
one of the problems. The real problem was he would sit in the back room and
was he would sit in the back room and watch open mic nights and take their
watch open mic nights and take their [ __ ]
[ __ ] >> like when they would flash the light
>> like when they would flash the light when he was in the room. So comics
when he was in the room. So comics wouldn't do material. They would start
wouldn't do material. They would start doing crowd work.
doing crowd work. >> So why didn't he get exposed before
>> So why didn't he get exposed before that? Why did it just come?
that? Why did it just come? >> Because nobody had the balls to do it.
>> Because nobody had the balls to do it. >> And then he had to
>> And then he had to >> because he was famous at the time and he
>> because he was famous at the time and he was doing and look at it cost me. I got
was doing and look at it cost me. I got banned from the store. I lost my agent
banned from the store. I lost my agent and I was famous. I I was on Fear
and I was famous. I I was on Fear Factor. I was rich. I there was I had a
Factor. I was rich. I there was I had a lot going for me where I could stick my
lot going for me where I could stick my neck out.
neck out. >> But you came back stronger. I give
>> But you came back stronger. I give another example like the same situation
another example like the same situation with Dave and Comedy Central and [ __ ]
with Dave and Comedy Central and [ __ ] As much as he went through that Yeah.
As much as he went through that Yeah. >> he took a 12-year hiatus or whatever you
>> he took a 12-year hiatus or whatever you want to say.
want to say. >> What Dave showed in that is that he's a
>> What Dave showed in that is that he's a real artist,
real artist, >> right?
>> right? >> Dave just said, "Fuck it. I'm going to
>> Dave just said, "Fuck it. I'm going to disappear for a while." Like a legend.
disappear for a while." Like a legend. He just disappeared. I remember when we
He just disappeared. I remember when we I was hearing stories about Dave doing
I was hearing stories about Dave doing shows where he would set up a a speaker
shows where he would set up a a speaker in Seattle in the park and just start
in Seattle in the park and just start doing standup and people like what the
doing standup and people like what the [ __ ] and for no money. People would just
[ __ ] and for no money. People would just show up and he would just do street
show up and he would just do street performances.
performances. >> But you know was what was kind of where
>> But you know was what was kind of where he got it from? You you've heard of a
he got it from? You you've heard of a comment I'm pretty sure of it. Charlie
comment I'm pretty sure of it. Charlie Barnett
Barnett >> 100%. Yeah. We played Charlie Barnett on
>> 100%. Yeah. We played Charlie Barnett on the show. I knew Charlie. Charlie was
the show. I knew Charlie. Charlie was like, "If you ever thought you were
like, "If you ever thought you were funny or whatever, go." This is what the
funny or whatever, go." This is what the art of. Only people I've ever known that
art of. Only people I've ever known that got certain level of success with that
got certain level of success with that that Charlie Barnett, Michael Collier
that Charlie Barnett, Michael Collier when he used to Venice Beach,
when he used to Venice Beach, >> right?
>> right? >> But people don't understand how Charlie
>> But people don't understand how Charlie Barnett would like
Barnett would like to go to a park, go to the center of
to go to a park, go to the center of Washington Square Park
Washington Square Park >> and get to gather around a bunch of
>> and get to gather around a bunch of people in
people in >> you got it's a certain certain
>> you got it's a certain certain technique. Not only that, you got to
technique. Not only that, you got to hold their attention for one joke,
hold their attention for one joke, >> right? You got to get them involved.
>> right? You got to get them involved. Blah blah blah blah. And you build this
Blah blah blah blah. And you build this audience up and then it's really for
audience up and then it's really for one.
one. >> A lot of people don't know that Charlie
>> A lot of people don't know that Charlie got Saturday Night Live but he couldn't
got Saturday Night Live but he couldn't read.
read. >> Yeah, he couldn't. And that's what g
>> Yeah, he couldn't. And that's what g opened up the door
opened up the door >> and and but but he was so gangster like
>> and and but but he was so gangster like when they wouldn't give him spots
when they wouldn't give him spots because, you know, he was probably a bit
because, you know, he was probably a bit to deal with. He would go to the Boston
to deal with. He would go to the Boston Comic Cup and yell in there, "DON'T GO
Comic Cup and yell in there, "DON'T GO IN THERE. I'M DOING MY SHOW IN FIVE
IN THERE. I'M DOING MY SHOW IN FIVE MINUTES." THE WHOLE [ __ ] club would
MINUTES." THE WHOLE [ __ ] club would come out. That's how much power he had.
come out. That's how much power he had. But then sometimes that we become
But then sometimes that we become victims of our own vices and everything
victims of our own vices and everything and destroy us more than anything.
and destroy us more than anything. That's why when people talk [ __ ] about
That's why when people talk [ __ ] about like they oh Kevin Kevin Hart didn't get
like they oh Kevin Kevin Hart didn't get out the mud. It's you got funny but you
out the mud. It's you got funny but you know funny isn't everything. Okay.
know funny isn't everything. Okay. You're funny. That's not Oh, so good
You're funny. That's not Oh, so good that you got talent, but more
that you got talent, but more importantly, it's your work ethics. And
importantly, it's your work ethics. And how do you take your god-given talent
how do you take your god-given talent and your passion and turn it into money?
and your passion and turn it into money? You know, you're into music and
You know, you're into music and everything. You probably could name a
everything. You probably could name a million saxoponists or whatever that
million saxoponists or whatever that didn't get to do that. You could be
didn't get to do that. You could be like, "Well, listen to this shit." But
like, "Well, listen to this shit." But for some reason, they didn't have the
for some reason, they didn't have the business part and and and all that
business part and and and all that together. And I'm going back. I'm
together. And I'm going back. I'm probably talking in circles now, but
probably talking in circles now, but this is what upsets me the most about uh
this is what upsets me the most about uh my folks or whatever. These people that
my folks or whatever. These people that go on these platforms and talk [ __ ]
go on these platforms and talk [ __ ] about people. There was a comedian that
about people. There was a comedian that was talking [ __ ] about Martin Lawrence,
was talking [ __ ] about Martin Lawrence, right? Well, I saw Martin Lawrence and
right? Well, I saw Martin Lawrence and Martin Lawrence in the casino. He's
Martin Lawrence in the casino. He's really It's not that funny. I'm like
really It's not that funny. I'm like this [ __ ] He's Martin Lawrence.
this [ __ ] He's Martin Lawrence. >> Well, they didn't know him in the 90s.
>> Well, they didn't know him in the 90s. No, no. This person, no. This person
No, no. This person, no. This person particularly
particularly >> it. No. If you just know Martin
>> it. No. If you just know Martin Lawrence, period, that's enough. Richard
Lawrence, period, that's enough. Richard Pride before he passed away when he was
Pride before he passed away when he was in a wheelchair. Damn near rolled him
in a wheelchair. Damn near rolled him out on the stage. Sold out audiences.
out on the stage. Sold out audiences. >> I followed him for 6 weeks. I followed
>> I followed him for 6 weeks. I followed him for six weeks at the comedy store
him for six weeks at the comedy store when he was like that.
when he was like that. >> Certain people, Joe, I look at this
>> Certain people, Joe, I look at this business, are made people. How dare you
business, are made people. How dare you talk [ __ ] about this [ __ ]
talk [ __ ] about this [ __ ] >> That's a good way to put it. He's a made
>> That's a good way to put it. He's a made man. Another thing Joe legend you know
man. Another thing Joe legend you know in this business you can have a career
in this business you can have a career right but you have certain times where
right but you have certain times where you just ruled
you just ruled >> you had three years Martin Lawrence film
>> you had three years Martin Lawrence film star
star >> uh movie star comedy star he had one
>> uh movie star comedy star he had one period of time for five or seven years
period of time for five or seven years when it was just Martin everywhere how
when it was just Martin everywhere how dare you as a person gets older and
dare you as a person gets older and whether he has a good bad a night or a
whether he has a good bad a night or a bad night how are you to judge and you
bad night how are you to judge and you ain't doing [ __ ] how are you to judge a
ain't doing [ __ ] how are you to judge a [ __ ] that when I was coming up
[ __ ] that when I was coming up Joe every [ __ ] black comic in the
Joe every [ __ ] black comic in the business wanted an audition. Everybody
business wanted an audition. Everybody wanted to be Hustle Man. Everybody
wanted to be Hustle Man. Everybody wanted to just get two or three minutes
wanted to just get two or three minutes on Martin show cuz they knew what that
on Martin show cuz they knew what that dude that would do to their career. So
dude that would do to their career. So you judge a [ __ ] years down the
you judge a [ __ ] years down the road, right? Where they basically when
road, right? Where they basically when Martin goes out, guess what? Martin not
Martin goes out, guess what? Martin not doing no tour saying I'm doing 45
doing no tour saying I'm doing 45 minutes, whatever. He's like, "Y'all
minutes, whatever. He's like, "Y'all want to see me? Guess what? Y'all going
want to see me? Guess what? Y'all going to see this young talent. You going to
to see this young talent. You going to see this person. I'm putting people on.
see this person. I'm putting people on. How dare you even have come out your
How dare you even have come out your [ __ ] mouth and talk [ __ ] about this
[ __ ] mouth and talk [ __ ] about this [ __ ] How dare you talk [ __ ]
[ __ ] How dare you talk [ __ ] about [ __ ] that talk [ __ ] about
about [ __ ] that talk [ __ ] about Kevin Hart? How dare you talk [ __ ] about
Kevin Hart? How dare you talk [ __ ] about a [ __ ] that was rocking with a
a [ __ ] that was rocking with a dude Nate Nate Smith RIP passed away. I
dude Nate Nate Smith RIP passed away. I remember when Kevin Hart was the one of
remember when Kevin Hart was the one of [ __ ] doing those comment cards.
[ __ ] doing those comment cards. All right. All right. I'm doing emiss e
All right. All right. I'm doing emiss e email list one. I remember when [ __ ]
email list one. I remember when [ __ ] Kevin Hart had [ __ ] 20,000 people on
Kevin Hart had [ __ ] 20,000 people on Instagram. No, on Twitter and at the
Instagram. No, on Twitter and at the radio. He was like, "Yo, Ray says, "Yo,
radio. He was like, "Yo, Ray says, "Yo, D, this apartment." I seen the hard
D, this apartment." I seen the hard work. I see him not just come to [ __ ]
work. I see him not just come to [ __ ] New York and do the black rooms. I'm
New York and do the black rooms. I'm doing the black rooms. I'm doing the
doing the black rooms. I'm doing the white rooms. I'm doing all of this [ __ ]
white rooms. I'm doing all of this [ __ ] How dare you. I I'll just say this and
How dare you. I I'll just say this and I'll answer this. It ain't no B for
I'll answer this. It ain't no B for nothing. Cat Williams said, this is what
nothing. Cat Williams said, this is what Cat Williams said about Kevin Hart. How
Cat Williams said about Kevin Hart. How I find it very strange that you just
I find it very strange that you just come from New York and then you have a
come from New York and then you have a TV show and a movie show and how does
TV show and a movie show and how does that happen? You were in New York. I'll
that happen? You were in New York. I'll tell you how it happens.
tell you how it happens. You're on the biggest showcase in
You're on the biggest showcase in comedy. And you know what that is? JFL.
comedy. And you know what that is? JFL. Just for laughs. Kevin Hart was a
Just for laughs. Kevin Hart was a product of that. Mo'Nique was a product
product of that. Mo'Nique was a product of that. Dave Chappelle was a product of
of that. Dave Chappelle was a product of that. No, Kevin Hart wasn't pounding the
that. No, Kevin Hart wasn't pounding the streets in LA, but he happened to be on
streets in LA, but he happened to be on a showcase. When you y back in the day,
a showcase. When you y back in the day, you do with JFL. It was [ __ ]
you do with JFL. It was [ __ ] leaving there. that probably have $500
leaving there. that probably have $500 in the bank, leaving with a quarter
in the bank, leaving with a quarter million dollar development deal just to
million dollar development deal just to do nothing. That's the error it was. I
do nothing. That's the error it was. I remember. So, just because you weren't
remember. So, just because you weren't in LA doesn't mean you wasn't you wasn't
in LA doesn't mean you wasn't you wasn't beating the pavement.
beating the pavement. >> And I don't care in LA, you got LA and
>> And I don't care in LA, you got LA and New York. Nobody as a stand-up comic
New York. Nobody as a stand-up comic grinds as hard as a comic come from New
grinds as hard as a comic come from New York opposed to LA. And the reason why
York opposed to LA. And the reason why LA don't have that many stages. LA don't
LA don't have that many stages. LA don't have that many stages. They would tell
have that many stages. They would tell you all the time as a standup comic, if
you all the time as a standup comic, if you if you're trying to be an actor,
you if you're trying to be an actor, whatever, go to LA. If you want to be a
whatever, go to LA. If you want to be a great stand-up comic, bang it out in New
great stand-up comic, bang it out in New York. And this was this was the rule
York. And this was this was the rule back in the day, Joe. Let Hollywood call
back in the day, Joe. Let Hollywood call you. You just don't go to LA to sleep on
you. You just don't go to LA to sleep on somebody couch. Some people had that
somebody couch. Some people had that story, but it was like you grind. And
story, but it was like you grind. And back then,
back then, >> everybody's got their own path, D. You
>> everybody's got their own path, D. You could do whatever the [ __ ] you want.
could do whatever the [ __ ] you want. It's just work on your act.
It's just work on your act. >> That's the point that I'm making.
>> That's the point that I'm making. >> Yeah. It's just everybody's got their
>> Yeah. It's just everybody's got their own path. The the real problem in this
own path. The the real problem in this conversation is what I said earlier.
conversation is what I said earlier. It's worrying about what other people
It's worrying about what other people think. The more you spend time worrying
think. The more you spend time worrying about what other people think, the less
about what other people think, the less you're worrying about what you're doing,
you're worrying about what you're doing, >> you less you're thinking about what
>> you less you're thinking about what you're actually trying to achieve.
you're actually trying to achieve. >> And I listen to what you're saying and I
>> And I listen to what you're saying and I don't listen to what you're saying. And
don't listen to what you're saying. And and the reason why I say that every time
and the reason why I say that every time I go into this rabbit hole or whatever
I go into this rabbit hole or whatever and it's the echo, it's like a a a Rogan
and it's the echo, it's like a a a Rogan angel right here and it's whispering,
angel right here and it's whispering, "Don't read the comments."
"Don't read the comments." >> Yeah, but I'm right.
>> Yeah, but I'm right. >> I still read them.
>> I still read them. >> I know you should.
>> I know you should. >> But I I'm I'm stopping. But this is
>> But I I'm I'm stopping. But this is another thing I didn't What I didn't
another thing I didn't What I didn't know is that white comedians actually
know is that white comedians actually have beef with each other.
have beef with each other. I did not know or at least it's not uh
I did not know or at least it's not uh you don't hear about it.
you don't hear about it. >> It's rare. It's more rare. And the ones
>> It's rare. It's more rare. And the ones who have beef are usually failures.
who have beef are usually failures. They're usually people that aren't doing
They're usually people that aren't doing well. Usually people that aren't
well. Usually people that aren't >> example.
>> example. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> I'm exposing the industry right now. I'm
>> I'm exposing the industry right now. I'm not exposing. I have an example was so
not exposing. I have an example was so funny and this was interesting. I was at
funny and this was interesting. I was at the comedy store.
the comedy store. >> Oh, you told me this.
>> Oh, you told me this. >> This so [ __ ] funny to me, son. About
>> This so [ __ ] funny to me, son. About two months ago, right? I'm good friends
two months ago, right? I'm good friends with Bill Burr. You know, we did we had
with Bill Burr. You know, we did we had um Rich [ __ ] Tour with Charlie Murphy,
um Rich [ __ ] Tour with Charlie Murphy, me, Bill Burr years ago, and I know uh
me, Bill Burr years ago, and I know uh Mark Marin, right? I don't know. What I
Mark Marin, right? I don't know. What I found out is I didn't know Mark Marin
found out is I didn't know Mark Marin the way white people know Markin, right?
the way white people know Markin, right? So I know Mark Marin like when I see
So I know Mark Marin like when I see Mark Marin I was like a that's the guy
Mark Marin I was like a that's the guy that had one of the greatest podcast out
that had one of the greatest podcast out that guy that was one of the alternative
that guy that was one of the alternative comedy favorites Mark Marin's special so
comedy favorites Mark Marin's special so when I see Mark Marin I have a certain
when I see Mark Marin I have a certain level of respect like oh that's the guy
level of respect like oh that's the guy who did it whatever so I was doing Annie
who did it whatever so I was doing Annie Letterman's show for what Annie Wood or
Letterman's show for what Annie Wood or whatever right and I love that girl um
whatever right and I love that girl um and I'm in the green room and I'm
and I'm in the green room and I'm smoking a joint I forgot who sponsored
smoking a joint I forgot who sponsored this weed but it was incredible right so
this weed but it was incredible right so I'm in there and I'm cracking jokes.
I'm in there and I'm cracking jokes. Bill is right there and then Mark is
Bill is right there and then Mark is over by the side of the door and I'm
over by the side of the door and I'm cracking jokes with Bill and everything
cracking jokes with Bill and everything and I felt something did nobody was
and I felt something did nobody was really laughing at my jokes, right? That
really laughing at my jokes, right? That all of a sudden a whole [ __ ] argument
all of a sudden a whole [ __ ] argument popped off and it was like it was white
popped off and it was like it was white argument because it was so nice. They
argument because it was so nice. They were so gentle to each other. It was a
were so gentle to each other. It was a whole bunch of, oh yeah, but you'll
whole bunch of, oh yeah, but you'll never do my podcast. It was like podcast
never do my podcast. It was like podcast beast. I'm right in the middle. I don't
beast. I'm right in the middle. I don't even know. I didn't even know that they
even know. I didn't even know that they had beef like this, but they were so
had beef like this, but they were so gentle about it. But I tell you the
gentle about it. But I tell you the difference between white beef and black
difference between white beef and black beef. I never felt that I was going to
beef. I never felt that I was going to get shot.
get shot. Yo, I felt so safe. Yo, if anything, I
Yo, I felt so safe. Yo, if anything, I thought it'd be like lawsuits the next
thought it'd be like lawsuits the next morning, defamation of character,
morning, defamation of character, slander, but I never knew that it was
slander, but I never knew that it was [ __ ] Caucasian and on Caucasian beef
[ __ ] Caucasian and on Caucasian beef like that and it was entertaining.
like that and it was entertaining. >> This is an example. Mark Maron was doing
>> This is an example. Mark Maron was doing really well at one point in time in his
really well at one point in time in his career and now he's not. So Mark Maron
career and now he's not. So Mark Maron had the number one podcast and after a
had the number one podcast and after a while his podcast wasn't even in the top
while his podcast wasn't even in the top 200. It dropped off.
200. It dropped off. >> Bill Burr, his career's
>> Bill Burr, his career's >> took off. He's doing arenas. He's
>> took off. He's doing arenas. He's killing it. Mark's not. And Mark finds
killing it. Mark's not. And Mark finds reasons to criticize other people that
reasons to criticize other people that are doing much better than him. And he
are doing much better than him. And he focuses on that because he thinks he
focuses on that because he thinks he should be getting more than he deserves.
should be getting more than he deserves. >> But do you think that's going back to
>> But do you think that's going back to being a provocator? He knows if he
being a provocator? He knows if he talked his [ __ ]
talked his [ __ ] >> No, no. I think it's going back to being
>> No, no. I think it's going back to being bitter and jealous and thinking about
bitter and jealous and thinking about other people instead of thinking about
other people instead of thinking about himself and why people don't want to go
himself and why people don't want to go see him anymore.
see him anymore. >> He was upset when we left the comedy
>> He was upset when we left the comedy store because we took the crowds away.
store because we took the crowds away. >> And it's like, hey, you were on the
>> And it's like, hey, you were on the [ __ ] marquee, too, man.
[ __ ] marquee, too, man. >> Right.
>> Right. >> They're not coming to see you. And the
>> They're not coming to see you. And the reason why they're not coming to see you
reason why they're not coming to see you is because you're not doing well. And
is because you're not doing well. And your podcast was in the top. It was
your podcast was in the top. It was number one. And when it was at number
number one. And when it was at number one, by the way, this is what I always
one, by the way, this is what I always say about Mark Maron, he was great. Mark
say about Mark Maron, he was great. Mark man was fun to hang out with when he was
man was fun to hang out with when he was killing it, right? Because he was happy
killing it, right? Because he was happy >> because he was getting validation
>> because he was getting validation because he had the number one podcast.
because he had the number one podcast. We were friends. Like I did his podcast,
We were friends. Like I did his podcast, he did mine. We had a good time. I'd hug
he did mine. We had a good time. I'd hug him when I see him. Like we had gone
him when I see him. Like we had gone back and forth many times and having
back and forth many times and having beef with each other. His problem, let
beef with each other. His problem, let me finish. His problem was when
me finish. His problem was when everybody else started doing really good
everybody else started doing really good and he started dropping off. Right.
and he started dropping off. Right. That's what happened.
That's what happened. >> Why? Just what I don't understand. Why
>> Why? Just what I don't understand. Why can't people understand that you have a
can't people understand that you have a moment? Like I was talking
moment? Like I was talking >> because he's a [ __ ] narcissist and he
>> because he's a [ __ ] narcissist and he wants the moment to always be around
wants the moment to always be around him.
him. >> He wants it to always be about him and
>> He wants it to always be about him and when other people are doing better than
when other people are doing better than him, he wants to talk [ __ ] about them.
him, he wants to talk [ __ ] about them. And that's where Phil had a problem with
And that's where Phil had a problem with it.
it. >> You think being a narcissist in this
>> You think being a narcissist in this field is a bad thing? I for some reason
field is a bad thing? I for some reason I think that kind of fuels you to be the
I think that kind of fuels you to be the person that you are to be determined to
person that you are to be determined to do and not give a [ __ ] about what nobody
do and not give a [ __ ] about what nobody think.
think. >> Well, having self-respect and having an
>> Well, having self-respect and having an ego where you care about what you put
ego where you care about what you put out, yes, that's a good thing. But
out, yes, that's a good thing. But making it all about you and not being
making it all about you and not being able to appreciate other people's work
able to appreciate other people's work is crazy because other people doing well
is crazy because other people doing well can be fuel for you to be inspired and
can be fuel for you to be inspired and do better yourself. And it's a positive
do better yourself. And it's a positive thing. And if these people are your
thing. And if these people are your friends and you love them and you care
friends and you love them and you care about them, you should be happy that
about them, you should be happy that they're killing it. And if you're not
they're killing it. And if you're not killing it anymore, you should try to
killing it anymore, you should try to figure out why. Because it's not like
figure out why. Because it's not like the door is not open. It's not like
the door is not open. It's not like you're not getting on stage. It's not
you're not getting on stage. It's not like you're not putting out specials.
like you're not putting out specials. You should probably figure out why your
You should probably figure out why your podcast dropped from number one to not
podcast dropped from number one to not even in the top 200 anymore without
even in the top 200 anymore without anything happening. You didn't get
anything happening. You didn't get arrested. There was no scandal. There
arrested. There was no scandal. There was nothing crazy. You should try to
was nothing crazy. You should try to figure that out. And he doesn't do that
figure that out. And he doesn't do that cuz he's instead bitter. Bitter and
cuz he's instead bitter. Bitter and jealous. He's always been like that.
jealous. He's always been like that. There's a story about John Stewart
There's a story about John Stewart >> and Andrew Schultz came on the podcast
>> and Andrew Schultz came on the podcast and told the story about John Stewart
and told the story about John Stewart and Marin where
and Marin where >> Marin confronted John Stewart but John
>> Marin confronted John Stewart but John Stewart got some television show. He
Stewart got some television show. He called him a [ __ ] sellout. He yelled
called him a [ __ ] sellout. He yelled at him. all this different [ __ ] John
at him. all this different [ __ ] John Stewart left the show and they hired
Stewart left the show and they hired Marin to do the same show.
Marin to do the same show. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> The same show that he was calling John
>> The same show that he was calling John Stewart for being a sellout.
Stewart for being a sellout. >> So, how did you go from that to Okay,
>> So, how did you go from that to Okay, for you to have one of the biggest
for you to have one of the biggest podcast at some point in your career,
podcast at some point in your career, you had to be likable or you think
you had to be likable or you think people just wanted to do the show?
people just wanted to do the show? >> There wasn't very many pod podcast back
>> There wasn't very many pod podcast back then. The thing that killed Marin's
then. The thing that killed Marin's podcast, my personal opinion, no hate,
podcast, my personal opinion, no hate, is that he has this rant at the
is that he has this rant at the beginning of his podcast that's not
beginning of his podcast that's not entertaining. I don't think it's good.
entertaining. I don't think it's good. And he the rant was long and he would
And he the rant was long and he would just ramble about himself, was very
just ramble about himself, was very self-obsessed. And I just don't think it
self-obsessed. And I just don't think it was good. And I think that was part of
was good. And I think that was part of the problem. It's also the problem was
the problem. It's also the problem was how he interviewed people. He had a very
how he interviewed people. He had a very confrontational interview style,
confrontational interview style, specifically with some comedians that he
specifically with some comedians that he felt like were below him or that he
felt like were below him or that he could pick on.
could pick on. >> You would think that that style would
>> You would think that that style would work in this day and age.
work in this day and age. >> No, no, no, no. People don't want always
>> No, no, no, no. People don't want always to be uncomfortable. They want to like
to be uncomfortable. They want to like you, man. They want you to be a good
you, man. They want you to be a good person.
person. >> People want train wrecks. They want
>> People want train wrecks. They want train wrecks for 15 second or 30 minute
train wrecks for 15 second or 30 minute 30 second in Instagram clips. They don't
30 second in Instagram clips. They don't want train wrecks to be their primary
want train wrecks to be their primary thing that they're listening to when
thing that they're listening to when they're in traffic on the way to work.
they're in traffic on the way to work. >> But the people that host these podcast
>> But the people that host these podcast now like I think people going to these
now like I think people going to these podcasts now and like this ah this is
podcasts now and like this ah this is going to be clickbait. We're going to go
going to be clickbait. We're going to go viral.
viral. >> Yeah. But that's they're not that
>> Yeah. But that's they're not that talented. That's why they're doing it is
talented. That's why they're doing it is because that's their only method of
because that's their only method of getting attention. If they were
getting attention. If they were entertaining and interesting and
entertaining and interesting and fascinating, then their podcast would be
fascinating, then their podcast would be about that.
about that. >> You know what?
>> You know what? >> It's all in what you're trying to focus
>> It's all in what you're trying to focus on. What I try to focus on on my podcast
on. What I try to focus on on my podcast is who do I want to talk to? I never
is who do I want to talk to? I never have someone on and go, "Oh, this would
have someone on and go, "Oh, this would be great. It'll be very controversial.
be great. It'll be very controversial. People will [ __ ] hate them. It'll be
People will [ __ ] hate them. It'll be crazy. They'll say wild shit." I never
crazy. They'll say wild shit." I never do that. My podcast is only about who do
do that. My podcast is only about who do I want to talk to. That's why I have a
I want to talk to. That's why I have a lot of people on that aren't even
lot of people on that aren't even remotely famous because they're
remotely famous because they're interesting, right? I find them
interesting, right? I find them interesting. I find with the book they
interesting. I find with the book they wrote interesting, the documentary they
wrote interesting, the documentary they made interesting. I want to know
made interesting. I want to know something about them. I it stimulates my
something about them. I it stimulates my curiosity.
curiosity. >> Do you think that there's going to be a
>> Do you think that there's going to be a a shift? Do you think that these
a shift? Do you think that these salacious interviews, these interviews
salacious interviews, these interviews with the provocator, you think?
with the provocator, you think? >> I don't think about it. Okay,
>> I don't think about it. Okay, >> that's my key.
>> that's my key. >> You know what's so funny about I I will
>> You know what's so funny about I I will say this. You know what's funny about
say this. You know what's funny about what you said that I was with Dave a
what you said that I was with Dave a while ago and he echoed the exact same
while ago and he echoed the exact same thing and I was having this conversation
thing and I was having this conversation with him. He said, "Don't even think
with him. He said, "Don't even think about that shit."
about that shit." >> Yeah. Don't think about it. There's
>> Yeah. Don't think about it. There's other things to think about. This is
other things to think about. This is I've said this too many times. If people
I've said this too many times. If people have heard this before, I'm sorry. Think
have heard this before, I'm sorry. Think of your focus and your attention like a
of your focus and your attention like a number. Think of you have like a hundred
number. Think of you have like a hundred points in a day to spend on things. If
points in a day to spend on things. If you spend 30 of those points thinking
you spend 30 of those points thinking about haters or 30% of those thinking
about haters or 30% of those thinking about bitter people, 30% thinking about
about bitter people, 30% thinking about other people that are doing better than
other people that are doing better than you, that's 30% that you robbed from the
you, that's 30% that you robbed from the 100% that you have to focus on your
100% that you have to focus on your life. I have things to do, man. I have a
life. I have things to do, man. I have a family. I have friends. I have loved
family. I have friends. I have loved ones. I have interests. I have hobbies.
ones. I have interests. I have hobbies. I have comedy and podcasts and the UFC
I have comedy and podcasts and the UFC and all these different things that I
and all these different things that I like to do and I think about those
like to do and I think about those things. I don't think about negative,
things. I don't think about negative, stupid things with people that have
stupid things with people that have bitter, angry minds that are
bitter, angry minds that are concentrating on other people's success
concentrating on other people's success and trying to tear them down all the
and trying to tear them down all the time because they're trying to tear them
time because they're trying to tear them down all the time because they compare
down all the time because they compare themselves to them and they don't like
themselves to them and they don't like how they stack up. They don't like the
how they stack up. They don't like the fact that person's doing better. They
fact that person's doing better. They don't like the fact that person's more
don't like the fact that person's more successful. So they try to take things
successful. So they try to take things either out of context or they try to
either out of context or they try to misrepresent who that person is. They
misrepresent who that person is. They try to change public perception of that
try to change public perception of that person to try to drag that person down.
person to try to drag that person down. And it's transparent. The reason why it
And it's transparent. The reason why it doesn't work is because people
doesn't work is because people inherently know what you're trying to
inherently know what you're trying to do. It might get people, oh, there's
do. It might get people, oh, there's beef. Oh, there's beef. Those are
beef. Oh, there's beef. Those are simple-minded people that you're always
simple-minded people that you're always going to attract, but you're not going
going to attract, but you're not going to change people's opinions of things.
to change people's opinions of things. It's it's a trick. It's a trap that
It's it's a trick. It's a trap that you're playing on yourself.
you're playing on yourself. It's a waste of your precious resources.
It's a waste of your precious resources. You only have so much time in the day.
You only have so much time in the day. My time I spend on things that I think
My time I spend on things that I think are interesting or beneficial or things
are interesting or beneficial or things that excite my curiosity. And I think
that excite my curiosity. And I think that is the way I like to live my life.
that is the way I like to live my life. Now, if you like to live your life
Now, if you like to live your life constantly engaged in beefs and being
constantly engaged in beefs and being filled with anxiety and stress and you
filled with anxiety and stress and you want to do that, okay, but those are
want to do that, okay, but those are bitter [ __ ] people. I don't want to
bitter [ __ ] people. I don't want to be a bitter person.
be a bitter person. >> In another life, could you have been a
>> In another life, could you have been a therapist?
therapist? Well, I majored in psychology
Well, I majored in psychology for the brief amount of time that I was
for the brief amount of time that I was in college. That was what I was
in college. That was what I was interested in, but it was I was doing
interested in, but it was I was doing that because I was fighting at the time
that because I was fighting at the time and I was trying to figure out how to
and I was trying to figure out how to manage my mind. So, I was trying to
manage my mind. So, I was trying to figure out the inner workings of the
figure out the inner workings of the human psyche.
human psyche. >> Do you think I know this is I'm not Do
>> Do you think I know this is I'm not Do you think your success
you think your success made you a a more calm person to not
made you a a more calm person to not give a [ __ ] Well, it certainly helps,
give a [ __ ] Well, it certainly helps, right? You don't have to give a [ __ ] if
right? You don't have to give a [ __ ] if you have enough money that you could
you have enough money that you could just like disappear off into the sunset
just like disappear off into the sunset and never have to worry about money
and never have to worry about money because a lot of people are always
because a lot of people are always worried about money. And so, you're
worried about money. And so, you're always constantly in this state of
always constantly in this state of anxiety or trying to get more. That
anxiety or trying to get more. That helps, but it's also it's like there's
helps, but it's also it's like there's other things in life. I concentrate on
other things in life. I concentrate on my loved ones. I concentrate on my
my loved ones. I concentrate on my friends. I concentrate on things I enjoy
friends. I concentrate on things I enjoy doing, on fun. This this life is short,
doing, on fun. This this life is short, man. You and I are 58 years old. We're
man. You and I are 58 years old. We're more than halfway dead. Why would you
more than halfway dead. Why would you spend time concentrating on people you
spend time concentrating on people you don't like? Like, it's one thing if
don't like? Like, it's one thing if someone's wronging you. It's one thing
someone's wronging you. It's one thing if you find out you have a business
if you find out you have a business partner who's been stealing money or you
partner who's been stealing money or you have someone who's uh lying about
have someone who's uh lying about >> Shout out to uh uh uh Dane Cook.
>> Shout out to uh uh uh Dane Cook. >> No, I'm just saying. No, I know
>> No, I'm just saying. No, I know >> his own brother stole D like this. Yet
>> his own brother stole D like this. Yet the [ __ ]
the [ __ ] >> Yeah, it's very very interesting. And
>> Yeah, it's very very interesting. And I'm at a place right now. I was um I was
I'm at a place right now. I was um I was with John Ham, right? San Francisco and
with John Ham, right? San Francisco and I had just did a show with Dave and it
I had just did a show with Dave and it was interesting. He says something to
was interesting. He says something to me. He's in the back and he's with his
me. He's in the back and he's with his wife and we kicking and he used to come
wife and we kicking and he used to come out to summer camp and everything hang
out to summer camp and everything hang out with us. I don't say we like super
out with us. I don't say we like super friends but we have mutual respect for
friends but we have mutual respect for each other and it was interesting
each other and it was interesting because we're in the green room and this
because we're in the green room and this is after I had just slayed this audience
is after I had just slayed this audience or whatever, right? And and I'm feeling
or whatever, right? And and I'm feeling good and he said Don he said what is it
good and he said Don he said what is it that you really want to do? He said what
that you really want to do? He said what is it that you want? I said what kind of
is it that you want? I said what kind of question? He said no I mean what is it
question? He said no I mean what is it want? Is it TV? Is it TV show? Is it
want? Is it TV? Is it TV show? Is it movies? I was like, "John, I'm doing
movies? I was like, "John, I'm doing exactly what I want to do."
exactly what I want to do." For me to be able to wake up, not have
For me to be able to wake up, not have to work for anybody, call my own shots,
to work for anybody, call my own shots, make a fair wage, take care of my
make a fair wage, take care of my families, enjoy my friends, and
families, enjoy my friends, and everything. And it's me connecting with
everything. And it's me connecting with a Godgiven talent. Anything else is a
a Godgiven talent. Anything else is a bonus. I don't look at it like I need
bonus. I don't look at it like I need the private jet and everything. certain
the private jet and everything. certain things you like, you know, that would be
things you like, you know, that would be nice. But I just look at what this life
nice. But I just look at what this life has given me and I'm appreciative of
has given me and I'm appreciative of that. I know so many people that of my
that. I know so many people that of my uh class, whatever, that aren't doing
uh class, whatever, that aren't doing nearly as well as I am. Or even the ones
nearly as well as I am. Or even the ones that aren't, that don't mean that
that aren't, that don't mean that they're happy. You know what I'm saying?
they're happy. You know what I'm saying? So when he asked me that question, I
So when he asked me that question, I didn't think any bad of it. I was like
didn't think any bad of it. I was like this. I don't get caught up on looking
this. I don't get caught up on looking at somebody, they got this, they got
at somebody, they got this, they got that. I like this. Am I happy? Am I
that. I like this. Am I happy? Am I comfortable? Do I get to do what I want?
comfortable? Do I get to do what I want? So whether I tell people all this all
So whether I tell people all this all the time, whether I get another film
the time, whether I get another film opportunity, whether I get another TV
opportunity, whether I get another TV show or whatever or any of that, I'm
show or whatever or any of that, I'm living
living what some people's dreams are.
what some people's dreams are. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> And it's not my dream, it's my reality.
>> And it's not my dream, it's my reality. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> And I also had to realize this is so
>> And I also had to realize this is so easy for us to do. You can be so
easy for us to do. You can be so connected with somebody and even with um
connected with somebody and even with um my situation with my connection with
my situation with my connection with Dave and everything, I'm a huge fan of
Dave and everything, I'm a huge fan of Dave. He's given me great opportunities
Dave. He's given me great opportunities and everything, but at some point in my
and everything, but at some point in my life, I had to say, you can't be caught
life, I had to say, you can't be caught up in somebody else's dream so much that
up in somebody else's dream so much that you forget your realities. And my real
you forget your realities. And my real my reality is whether I'm alongside of
my reality is whether I'm alongside of him or what I'm doing, I got to continue
him or what I'm doing, I got to continue to be Don Rollins. I got to continue to
to be Don Rollins. I got to continue to support my family. I got to continue to
support my family. I got to continue to do things that I do. And it's so easy.
do things that I do. And it's so easy. You It's so easy for me to get caught
You It's so easy for me to get caught up. I'm like, I'm rolling with Dave. We
up. I'm like, I'm rolling with Dave. We on the Jets. We doing this type of [ __ ]
on the Jets. We doing this type of [ __ ] But then I'll lose focus on who I am.
But then I'll lose focus on who I am. And I realized for me and my career
And I realized for me and my career continues to go when I know how to make
continues to go when I know how to make that separation. I do have
that separation. I do have >> Yeah. But the thing is even when you're
>> Yeah. But the thing is even when you're caught up with Dave, you still love him
caught up with Dave, you still love him and you don't hate him at all. You're
and you don't hate him at all. You're not you're not jealous of him at all.
not you're not jealous of him at all. >> You might get caught up in the wave
>> You might get caught up in the wave because you're hanging out with one of
because you're hanging out with one of the greatest comics that's ever lived.
the greatest comics that's ever lived. But it doesn't mean that it's a
But it doesn't mean that it's a negative.
negative. >> And you know, another thing, let me add
>> And you know, another thing, let me add to that, and I'm not blowing my own horn
to that, and I'm not blowing my own horn or whatever. Like you said, one of the
or whatever. Like you said, one of the greatest comedians ever lived, right? If
greatest comedians ever lived, right? If a person had a conversation with Dave
a person had a conversation with Dave Chappelle, people can say whatever I'm
Chappelle, people can say whatever I'm woring about people think. If you ask
woring about people think. If you ask Dave
Dave who is in his top five comedians, my
who is in his top five comedians, my name's going to come up. So, as much as
name's going to come up. So, as much as people, they always talk about they
people, they always talk about they always try to pin me like blah blah this
always try to pin me like blah blah this and everything. I respect the fact that
and everything. I respect the fact that I he respects me, I respect him. When we
I he respects me, I respect him. When we work together, we push each other. We
work together, we push each other. We make each other whatever people want to
make each other whatever people want to say, we make each other better. And what
say, we make each other better. And what other people understand is that like
other people understand is that like he's like truly my friend.
he's like truly my friend. You know what I mean? It's not like I
You know what I mean? It's not like I just work on a show. He's my friend. And
just work on a show. He's my friend. And even when I some of my fondest memories,
even when I some of my fondest memories, especially when I come here, is when we
especially when I come here, is when we was doing those [ __ ] shows.
was doing those [ __ ] shows. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> When we was doing [ __ ] nobody was doing.
>> When we was doing [ __ ] nobody was doing. >> When we were doing those lockdown shows,
>> When we were doing those lockdown shows, that was fun.
that was fun. >> Yo, it was
>> Yo, it was >> that was wild times.
>> that was wild times. >> It was It was It's all It was already We
>> It was It was It's all It was already We already have a community. We all have
already have a community. We all have mutual respect for each other. But the
mutual respect for each other. But the thing that made that so special wasn't
thing that made that so special wasn't nobody doing this [ __ ]
nobody doing this [ __ ] >> right?
>> right? >> That's what made it and and it really
>> That's what made it and and it really one thing about the pandemic, it made
one thing about the pandemic, it made you appreciate life a lot more than
you appreciate life a lot more than before the pandemic.
before the pandemic. >> Yeah. It made you appreciate freedom.
>> Yeah. It made you appreciate freedom. >> Freedom.
>> Freedom. >> Ability to do shows.
>> Ability to do shows. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Remember we did those shows outside and
>> Remember we did those shows outside and everybody was wearing a mask. It was so
everybody was wearing a mask. It was so stupid.
stupid. >> But we it did but we
>> But we it did but we >> And they all got tested too.
>> And they all got tested too. >> We got They was I I was I had so much
>> We got They was I I was I had so much fun during the pandemic. I was almost
fun during the pandemic. I was almost embarrassed to show the pictures I
embarrassed to show the pictures I wanted to show like faceless [ __ ]
wanted to show like faceless [ __ ] >> Yo, we would take pictures and people
>> Yo, we would take pictures and people was like this. Look at him. HE COULD
was like this. Look at him. HE COULD KILL MY GRANDMOTHER. I'M LIKE, all
KILL MY GRANDMOTHER. I'M LIKE, all right, first of all, you did it. Dave
right, first of all, you did it. Dave did. I was like, people's like this. Oh,
did. I was like, people's like this. Oh, it must be nice to have rich friends
it must be nice to have rich friends that have testing machines. I was like,
that have testing machines. I was like, you're absolutely right.
you're absolutely right. >> It is. It's beautiful.
>> It is. It's beautiful. >> It is the most amazing [ __ ] ever. Dave
>> It is the most amazing [ __ ] ever. Dave Chappelle raped my nose for two summers
Chappelle raped my nose for two summers in a row when when we were doing the
in a row when when we were doing the shows in in the cornfields and [ __ ] But
shows in in the cornfields and [ __ ] But this what people don't understand. He
this what people don't understand. He took the opportunity that village of
took the opportunity that village of Yellow Springs. He made it as safe as it
Yellow Springs. He made it as safe as it could be. Like any place we would go,
could be. Like any place we would go, hotel staff, everybody had an
hotel staff, everybody had an opportunity to get everybody opportunity
opportunity to get everybody opportunity to get tested. And I remember this was
to get tested. And I remember this was very interesting when the bubble we did
very interesting when the bubble we did one this Bob Saget. RIP. We were doing
one this Bob Saget. RIP. We were doing these shows and I think that at before
these shows and I think that at before Bob passed away when he came out to
Bob passed away when he came out to Yellow Springs and was hanging out with
Yellow Springs and was hanging out with Dave and us and everything. It gave him
Dave and us and everything. It gave him some incentive to want to go back on the
some incentive to want to go back on the road to do he was just got really
road to do he was just got really excited about doing it again. We we we
excited about doing it again. We we we did like 55 shows. The summer was over.
did like 55 shows. The summer was over. The run was clear. We had no positives
The run was clear. We had no positives or anything. Dave extended the show
or anything. Dave extended the show another week and that week was when the
another week and that week was when the bubble popped, right? And now
bubble popped, right? And now everybody's like freaking out like oh my
everybody's like freaking out like oh my god these same women that was people was
god these same women that was people was coming out there when they was getting
coming out there when they was getting flown out in jets they weren't getting
flown out in jets they weren't getting traffic but Dave created the environment
traffic but Dave created the environment he wanted his friends around they was we
he wanted his friends around they was we was going to restaurants we were have
was going to restaurants we were have the whole spot we was just doing all
the whole spot we was just doing all this stuff nobody was thinking about the
this stuff nobody was thinking about the possible consequences of that and I
possible consequences of that and I remember this one girl was like oh my
remember this one girl was like oh my god I don't even know why I'm here then
god I don't even know why I'm here then I looked at Dave I was like yo man damn
I looked at Dave I was like yo man damn we almost made it man through he was
we almost made it man through he was like
like it's going to be okay he You got to
it's going to be okay he You got to realize this is the reason why we test.
realize this is the reason why we test. When we first got our first positive,
When we first got our first positive, had we not been testing, it could have
had we not been testing, it could have been crazy.
been crazy. >> And we got a first positive because
>> And we got a first positive because dudes went to do somebody else's podcast
dudes went to do somebody else's podcast and they didn't test. Remember that?
and they didn't test. Remember that? >> I remember that. That was the I remember
>> I remember that. That was the I remember that because it I remember that uh Cena,
that because it I remember that uh Cena, it was so funny.
it was so funny. >> Yeah, that was here. Yeah. And um it was
>> Yeah, that was here. Yeah. And um it was like I something was different because
like I something was different because we had one positive and the you remember
we had one positive and the you remember that backstage used to be packed out
that backstage used to be packed out right it started getting lower and lower
right it started getting lower and lower right it was basically like me cy sounds
right it was basically like me cy sounds somebody else was in the green room
somebody else was in the green room right and then big Jay came that's one
right and then big Jay came that's one of my friends good friends big Jay came
of my friends good friends big Jay came back and he had this look on his face
back and he had this look on his face like it's over right he came in there
like it's over right he came in there and I looked I said boss man got it he's
and I looked I said boss man got it he's like yep right and another thing Dave
like yep right and another thing Dave could have did this why I respect his
could have did this why I respect his character He could have been at that
character He could have been at that time he could have just been in the mask
time he could have just been in the mask went on stage went back out he cancelled
went on stage went back out he cancelled the show but the funniest [ __ ] it's a
the show but the funniest [ __ ] it's a whole at Stubs room is sold out right
whole at Stubs room is sold out right and then Cena comes back and Cena was
and then Cena comes back and Cena was like um I need you to go out there and
like um I need you to go out there and tell people that the show is cancelled
tell people that the show is cancelled right I said you don't need me to do
right I said you don't need me to do that [ __ ] [ __ ] cuz the minute I it's
that [ __ ] [ __ ] cuz the minute I it's one thing if I go out there people going
one thing if I go out there people going to be like show starting right and as a
to be like show starting right and as a comedian I'm not going to not tell jokes
comedian I'm not going to not tell jokes and then I'm Oh yeah, Dave not gonna
and then I'm Oh yeah, Dave not gonna show up. But that was the crazy thing
show up. But that was the crazy thing about that. Everybody at the line hotel,
about that. Everybody at the line hotel, they was making jokes, Joe. They call it
they was making jokes, Joe. They call it corona co row cuz we had like the whole
corona co row cuz we had like the whole floor had the whole floor floor locked
floor had the whole floor floor locked down, right? And everybody in our team
down, right? And everybody in our team got it.
got it. But it felt like a old school chickenpox
But it felt like a old school chickenpox party. You know what I'm saying? It's
party. You know what I'm saying? It's like we got it. We got it. What I tell
like we got it. We got it. What I tell you, Ben, what we did, like everything
you, Ben, what we did, like everything was like, "Okay, make sure you had your
was like, "Okay, make sure you had your vitamins, all that type of shit." But
vitamins, all that type of shit." But the beauty of it was we was like, you
the beauty of it was we was like, you know, people was testing out like eight
know, people was testing out like eight or nine days, right? So, we thought we
or nine days, right? So, we thought we was going to leave. After a while, we
was going to leave. After a while, we was like, I was like, "Wait a minute.
was like, I was like, "Wait a minute. The next run was going to be in 10
The next run was going to be in 10 days."
days." >> And for some reason, everybody went back
>> And for some reason, everybody went back to being negative. We closed, did more
to being negative. We closed, did more shows, and we got the [ __ ] up out of
shows, and we got the [ __ ] up out of here. But it was a beautiful time, man.
here. But it was a beautiful time, man. It was a beautiful time. It was a fun
It was a beautiful time. It was a fun time to be alive. Yep.
time to be alive. Yep. >> It was a fun time,
>> It was a fun time, >> but it was crazy. And then we did that.
>> but it was crazy. And then we did that. What that [ __ ] joint we did? Uh
What that [ __ ] joint we did? Uh >> it was in Tacoma.
>> it was in Tacoma. >> Mhm. The Super Doome.
>> Mhm. The Super Doome. >> That was wild. That was
>> That was wild. That was >> 27 25,000.
>> 27 25,000. >> Whatever it was, we broke the Tacoma
>> Whatever it was, we broke the Tacoma Dome record.
Dome record. >> I never been in a place where the
>> I never been in a place where the laughter was so hard. It felt like
laughter was so hard. It felt like helicopters was
helicopters was >> crazy.
>> crazy. >> It was crazy.
>> It was crazy. >> It was crazy.
>> It was crazy. >> This is what I respect about what you
>> This is what I respect about what you guys did. You got people saying they
guys did. You got people saying they they doing arenas and [ __ ] but normally
they doing arenas and [ __ ] but normally >> But that was precoid, brother.
>> But that was precoid, brother. >> It was pre-COVID. Yeah, that was
>> It was pre-COVID. Yeah, that was pre-COVID that before everything popped
pre-COVID that before everything popped off.
off. >> What I will say about a real arena show,
>> What I will say about a real arena show, you got the arena show where a quarter
you got the arena show where a quarter of the venue is being used for stage and
of the venue is being used for stage and every right. So, it ain't the true
every right. So, it ain't the true capacity,
capacity, >> right?
>> right? >> But the shows you [ __ ] was
>> But the shows you [ __ ] was doing, it was it was in the round,
doing, it was it was in the round, >> right? Well, the wildest thing was
>> right? Well, the wildest thing was walking through the crowd to get to the
walking through the crowd to get to the stage. Those are
stage. Those are >> crazy. You you've experienced this [ __ ]
>> crazy. You you've experienced this [ __ ] of that walk from from the UFC [ __ ]
of that walk from from the UFC [ __ ] man. I'm so grateful for your you guys
man. I'm so grateful for your you guys friendship and everything and for me it
friendship and everything and for me it was so special for me because
was so special for me because I didn't sell a ticket. Nobody else no
I didn't sell a ticket. Nobody else no opener you and Dave sold those tickets
opener you and Dave sold those tickets right but the best feeling for me Joe
right but the best feeling for me Joe was when I go out and DJ Trauma be like
was when I go out and DJ Trauma be like you seen them on HBO's The Wire you seen
you seen them on HBO's The Wire you seen him on BMF whatever but simple line but
him on BMF whatever but simple line but you fell in love with Asharia Chappelle
you fell in love with Asharia Chappelle show and them people [ __ ] go crazy. I
show and them people [ __ ] go crazy. I don't give a [ __ ] if you ever been in a
don't give a [ __ ] if you ever been in a fist fight in your life. When you come
fist fight in your life. When you come through them tunnels, you you doing this
through them tunnels, you you doing this [ __ ] right here. You feel like Tyson,
[ __ ] right here. You feel like Tyson, like just give me a robe. Just give me a
like just give me a robe. Just give me a time. I'm about to go beat these
time. I'm about to go beat these [ __ ] up. And every show we had,
[ __ ] up. And every show we had, there was no room for being okay. You
there was no room for being okay. You had to be on your game every time.
had to be on your game every time. >> Yeah, it was fun. It was a good time.
>> Yeah, it was fun. It was a good time. Well, that was uh when all that CO [ __ ]
Well, that was uh when all that CO [ __ ] went down with me when CNN turned my
went down with me when CNN turned my face green. That was because of a
face green. That was because of a Nashville show that we were doing that
Nashville show that we were doing that we had to cancel.
we had to cancel. >> Yeah. I didn't know that.
>> Yeah. I didn't know that. >> That's what that was. Yeah. We were
>> That's what that was. Yeah. We were supposed to do a show that weekend and I
supposed to do a show that weekend and I got CO the previous weekend. I was doing
got CO the previous weekend. I was doing an arena with Tony in Florida and I got
an arena with Tony in Florida and I got CO in Florida and then I made that video
CO in Florida and then I made that video on like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It was
on like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It was like the third day after I got COVID
like the third day after I got COVID where I got over it and I was like, you
where I got over it and I was like, you know, I feel fine but we have to cancel
know, I feel fine but we have to cancel the shows this weekend, right? And
the shows this weekend, right? And that's when all the [ __ ] went down
that's when all the [ __ ] went down because I took Ivormect. That was up.
because I took Ivormect. That was up. That was that was those re Oh, he has
That was that was those re Oh, he has the answer everything. Yo, if he don't
the answer everything. Yo, if he don't have the answer, at least he's [ __ ]
have the answer, at least he's [ __ ] trying to find. It's so interesting.
trying to find. It's so interesting. >> I whether or not I had the answer, the
>> I whether or not I had the answer, the crazy thing is I was better. I was
crazy thing is I was better. I was already better
already better >> and they they turned my face green on
>> and they they turned my face green on CNN. Like we got to see how crazy the
CNN. Like we got to see how crazy the media really is. Like they didn't want
media really is. Like they didn't want to hear nothing but you have to take
to hear nothing but you have to take this vaccine
this vaccine >> and you have to do that
>> and you have to do that >> and if you didn't take this vaccine,
>> and if you didn't take this vaccine, you're a part of the problem.
you're a part of the problem. >> It's s I just don't and as as
>> It's s I just don't and as as devastating as that time was.
devastating as that time was. >> Excuse me.
>> Excuse me. >> I'm just How is it just like [ __ ]
>> I'm just How is it just like [ __ ] over now? Is it her immunity? How is it
over now? Is it her immunity? How is it just like
just like >> it's her immunity? It's it's yeah it's
>> it's her immunity? It's it's yeah it's also you know everybody who got it got
also you know everybody who got it got it. You got immunity because of it and
it. You got immunity because of it and then
then >> also whatever variants are still left
>> also whatever variants are still left they're significantly diminished. That's
they're significantly diminished. That's how viruses generally
how viruses generally >> it's like a cold strand now. Right.
>> it's like a cold strand now. Right. >> Yes. Well that's how viruses generally
>> Yes. Well that's how viruses generally go. They become more transmissible but
go. They become more transmissible but less potent over time. Yeah. And that's
less potent over time. Yeah. And that's what happened.
what happened. >> I'm going tell you there was a time
>> I'm going tell you there was a time though man I I even said man maybe it
though man I I even said man maybe it was just something about how people got
was just something about how people got along with each other. I was like, we
along with each other. I was like, we should do like once a year just have a
should do like once a year just have a week of just lockdown.
week of just lockdown. >> Yo, just so you can get into Man, I
>> Yo, just so you can get into Man, I >> It makes you appreciate freedom. That's
>> It makes you appreciate freedom. That's for sure.
for sure. >> It made me appreciate nature, bro. I I
>> It made me appreciate nature, bro. I I bought a [ __ ] house in Yellow Springs
bought a [ __ ] house in Yellow Springs because I was like, you know what?
because I was like, you know what? Trees, woods. I don't know if the
Trees, woods. I don't know if the streets can handle this, but I became a
streets can handle this, but I became a bird watcher, bro.
bird watcher, bro. >> I watch bird. I watch birds.
You know what that does to my street credit?
credit? >> What? to know the difference between a
>> What? to know the difference between a cardinal and a blue j
cardinal and a blue j >> it's not the most listen
call said I can't be in the street talking about
talking about it was good [ __ ]
it was good [ __ ] >> if you can't appreciate nature that's
>> if you can't appreciate nature that's whatever that's a [ __ ] narrative
whatever that's a [ __ ] narrative >> that's ridiculous
>> that's ridiculous >> I didn't Here's the thing I didn't crash
>> I didn't Here's the thing I didn't crash out today didn't crash out I know people
out today didn't crash out I know people think I'm a crash out king. It's not
think I'm a crash out king. It's not that. Sometimes I just need to
that. Sometimes I just need to >> You mean on this show today?
>> You mean on this show today? >> Yeah. What did I No.
>> Yeah. What did I No. >> No. No. You You definitely accused Jamie
>> No. No. You You definitely accused Jamie of wearing a leather jacket.
of wearing a leather jacket. >> Jamie did have a leather jacket. He had
>> Jamie did have a leather jacket. He had a leather jacket on, man. And I think he
a leather jacket on, man. And I think he brushed his eyebrows, too.
brushed his eyebrows, too. >> It was everything. I was like, I never
>> It was everything. I was like, I never seen this sexy side of Jamie. He had
seen this sexy side of Jamie. He had like a British accent.
like a British accent. >> He was like, I think I
>> He was like, I think I was like, who is his eyebrows? I was
was like, who is his eyebrows? I was like, "Who the [ __ ] is this person,
like, "Who the [ __ ] is this person, man?" It was something different.
man?" It was something different. >> We We definitely went through something
>> We We definitely went through something that most people never experienced in
that most people never experienced in their life.
their life. >> Nope.
>> Nope. >> And and most previous generations never
>> And and most previous generations never experienced it. Having a a nationwide,
experienced it. Having a a nationwide, worldwide pandemic that everybody
worldwide pandemic that everybody freaked out and we didn't.
freaked out and we didn't. >> Not only did we didn't freak out, we did
>> Not only did we didn't freak out, we did shows. We had a good time. We hung out
shows. We had a good time. We hung out together. Those after parties when we go
together. Those after parties when we go to the line, you had a DJ and we would
to the line, you had a DJ and we would laugh and laugh. We would laugh till 2
laugh and laugh. We would laugh till 2 3:00 in the morning.
3:00 in the morning. >> I you know I girl I was so much fun girl
>> I you know I girl I was so much fun girl I was dating the time then she couldn't
I was dating the time then she couldn't believe that she was like I would be
believe that she was like I would be like this. So what do you do? I was like
like this. So what do you do? I was like well I was at the line kicking it with
well I was at the line kicking it with Dave and Joe. What y'all doing? Just
Dave and Joe. What y'all doing? Just talking and laughing till 3:30 in the
talking and laughing till 3:30 in the morning. They was like get the [ __ ] out
morning. They was like get the [ __ ] out of here. YOU WAS [ __ ] NO. NO I
of here. YOU WAS [ __ ] NO. NO I WASN'T.
WASN'T. >> We was just on some brohood [ __ ] It was
>> We was just on some brohood [ __ ] It was just so much.
just so much. >> And we we also realized how special it
>> And we we also realized how special it was that we could do this while the
was that we could do this while the whole world was locked down.
whole world was locked down. >> Yep.
>> Yep. >> I'm telling you, I was embarrassed to
>> I'm telling you, I was embarrassed to show pictures. My mother would call me,
show pictures. My mother would call me, "You better be careful out there." I'm
"You better be careful out there." I'm like, "Man, I'm getting tested." We got
like, "Man, I'm getting tested." We got tested more than probably anybody in the
tested more than probably anybody in the country. And that's
country. And that's >> I got tested every day because I was
>> I got tested every day because I was doing podcast through the whole thing.
doing podcast through the whole thing. >> I did your show during that one time.
>> I did your show during that one time. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And then we didn't I sat down and before
>> And then we didn't I sat down and before I got the results the last time I was
I got the results the last time I was here, you was like, "Did he get the
here, you was like, "Did he get the test?" I'm like
test?" I'm like >> I'm like just please don't come in here
>> I'm like just please don't come in here LIKE GET THIS [ __ ] OUT OF HERE.
LIKE GET THIS [ __ ] OUT OF HERE. >> WELL, we definitely had a couple people
>> WELL, we definitely had a couple people that tested positive. We had to get them
that tested positive. We had to get them out.
out. >> And I tested positive once.
>> And I tested positive once. >> But the thing about it to making those
>> But the thing about it to making those taking those precautions, you could
taking those precautions, you could isolate it. You knew where it came and
isolate it. You knew where it came and you shut it down. That's one thing. If
you shut it down. That's one thing. If you're not doing that, it's all over the
you're not doing that, it's all over the place. Just think about it. If if
place. Just think about it. If if imagine if Jamie
imagine if Jamie >> would have got CO, then we would have
>> would have got CO, then we would have never seen his sexy side. Now
never seen his sexy side. Now >> Jamie got CO. He got CO before anybody.
>> Jamie got CO. He got CO before anybody. He got co really early on when there was
He got co really early on when there was no vaccine, no treatment, no nothing. He
no vaccine, no treatment, no nothing. He had to take a whole week off.
had to take a whole week off. >> Um maybe that's why he has the attitude
>> Um maybe that's why he has the attitude that he has.
that he has. Yo, y'all get all this.
Yo, y'all get all this. >> Well, we did the Kanye podcast. You you
>> Well, we did the Kanye podcast. You you had CO that week, right? Yeah. Yeah. He
had CO that week, right? Yeah. Yeah. He missed the Kanye podcast.
missed the Kanye podcast. >> Yeah. But I'm sorry, Jamie, if you
>> Yeah. But I'm sorry, Jamie, if you thought I said anything that was kind of
thought I said anything that was kind of disrespectful to your character.
disrespectful to your character. >> Well, totally false.
>> Well, totally false. >> No, it wasn't. I'm telling you that
>> No, it wasn't. I'm telling you that [ __ ] ponytail. I don't know what the
[ __ ] ponytail. I don't know what the [ __ ] he did about it that day.
[ __ ] he did about it that day. >> Like a Steven Seagal ponytail back.
>> Like a Steven Seagal ponytail back. >> And not only that, but he put his hair
>> And not only that, but he put his hair back like this.
back like this. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> Almost like the like a diddy party.
>> Almost like the like a diddy party. That's how he started diddy parties.
That's how he started diddy parties. >> Oiled up.
>> Oiled up. >> Yeah. Oil. I don't say that cuz I was
>> Yeah. Oil. I don't say that cuz I was Never mind. I never went to a diddy
Never mind. I never went to a diddy party. I have a photo, but I never went
party. I have a photo, but I never went to a diddy party. Jesus Christ.
to a diddy party. Jesus Christ. >> Yeah. It's like I think people are going
>> Yeah. It's like I think people are going to be wiser if something like that
to be wiser if something like that happens again. I
happens again. I >> could it ever happen again? I don't
>> could it ever happen again? I don't >> 100%. Yeah, 100%. There's a lot of
>> 100%. Yeah, 100%. There's a lot of people that think they engineered that
people that think they engineered that whole thing. They wanted it to happen
whole thing. They wanted it to happen because the largest transfer of upward
because the largest transfer of upward transfer of wealth in human history.
transfer of wealth in human history. >> So many small businesses went down.
>> So many small businesses went down. >> Look at businesses got made more money.
>> Look at businesses got made more money. >> Look what it did to Zoom.
>> Look what it did to Zoom. >> Yep. Zoom to
>> Yep. Zoom to >> I remember Zoom cuz um I was I I had a
>> I remember Zoom cuz um I was I I had a show in Naples, whatever. I met this
show in Naples, whatever. I met this doctor that he wanted me to uh be on
doctor that he wanted me to uh be on this podcast and I was like, "How we
this podcast and I was like, "How we going to do?" He said, "We can do it by
going to do?" He said, "We can do it by Zoom." This was when it was only like
Zoom." This was when it was only like for like business people. It was really
for like business people. It was really like the nerdy thing.
like the nerdy thing. >> Yeah, that's what it used to be. Yeah,
>> Yeah, that's what it used to be. Yeah, >> it used to be. But the pandemic, it blew
>> it used to be. But the pandemic, it blew it up. It was like now Zoom is like
it up. It was like now Zoom is like that's the best way. You don't want to
that's the best way. You don't want to talk to somebody on the phone, they call
talk to somebody on the phone, they call you. Oh, I'm on a Zoom right now. It is
you. Oh, I'm on a Zoom right now. It is so like in everybody's household that
so like in everybody's household that blew up. So many business did the same
blew up. So many business did the same thing.
thing. >> Is anybody using that anymore?
>> Is anybody using that anymore? >> Zoom?
>> Zoom? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> They use it for an excuse not to talk to
>> They use it for an excuse not to talk to somebody.
somebody. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Do they do Zoom podcast anymore? Do
>> Do they do Zoom podcast anymore? Do people do Zoom podcasts? I never hear
people do Zoom podcasts? I never hear that term. It used to be things like,
that term. It used to be things like, "Oh, we're going to do it on Zoom." I
"Oh, we're going to do it on Zoom." I don't hear that anymore.
don't hear that anymore. >> A few other platforms exist now. I don't
>> A few other platforms exist now. I don't even think people discuss it, but
even think people discuss it, but >> yeah, they had one one was that
>> yeah, they had one one was that Clubhouse, whatever. All of these
Clubhouse, whatever. All of these things.
things. >> Oh, yeah. Clubhouse. Clubhouse is a big
>> Oh, yeah. Clubhouse. Clubhouse is a big one. That was a big one where people
one. That was a big one where people were essentially doing podcasts. Like
were essentially doing podcasts. Like anybody could just like chime in and
anybody could just like chime in and talk [ __ ]
talk [ __ ] >> People was getting like a million
>> People was getting like a million followers in 3 days and [ __ ] like Yeah.
followers in 3 days and [ __ ] like Yeah. >> Oh yeah. There was a lot of that. And a
>> Oh yeah. There was a lot of that. And a lot of people thought that that was
lot of people thought that that was going to keep going like clubhouse is
going to keep going like clubhouse is going to be the new thing. I'm like this
going to be the new thing. I'm like this is just bad podcasting
is just bad podcasting >> and it's and it's what there was only up
>> and it's and it's what there was only up so many things that that um that battle
so many things that that um that battle the versus battles did they do now when
the versus battles did they do now when they have like it's mostly it's been
they have like it's mostly it's been hip-hop and R&B I think it was who was
hip-hop and R&B I think it was who was it um it was uh um damn Swiss Beats and
it um it was uh um damn Swiss Beats and Timberland I think they started this
Timberland I think they started this thing during the pandemic it was versus
thing during the pandemic it was versus right where you have an artist versus
right where you have an artist versus another artist and like a competitive
another artist and like a competitive type of situation they didn't win
type of situation they didn't win anything but it was just entertaining
anything but it was just entertaining for everybody and that went from like it
for everybody and that went from like it was so lowle like people was in front of
was so lowle like people was in front of their computers it was freezing up and
their computers it was freezing up and everything but it was what everybody was
everything but it was what everybody was doing now that's like one of the biggest
doing now that's like one of the biggest things now they did one at Madison
things now they did one at Madison Square Gardens like it's a big thing now
Square Gardens like it's a big thing now when you want to it's just like a
when you want to it's just like a competition like you got I think that
competition like you got I think that they had cash money and no limit records
they had cash money and no limit records but it's very I don't see no white
but it's very I don't see no white verses but it's a popular thing and it
verses but it's a popular thing and it started because of um the pandemic
started because of um the pandemic >> well so many businesses started during
>> well so many businesses started during the pandemic because a lot of people got
the pandemic because a lot of people got laid off so they started their own
laid off so they started their own business. A lot of online businesses
business. A lot of online businesses started. A lot of people quit their jobs
started. A lot of people quit their jobs cuz they realize, look, they could just
cuz they realize, look, they could just take this [ __ ] away from me at any
take this [ __ ] away from me at any minute. Why am I doing something that I
minute. Why am I doing something that I hate when I thought there was security
hate when I thought there was security in it? There's no security in it. I'm
in it? There's no security in it. I'm going to start my own business.
going to start my own business. >> Also, even like you you're an example of
>> Also, even like you you're an example of um um uh of what happens when you
um um uh of what happens when you finally realize that um you don't need
finally realize that um you don't need Hollywood the way it used to be.
Hollywood the way it used to be. >> No. Well, we figured that out a long
>> No. Well, we figured that out a long time ago. We figured that out when the
time ago. We figured that out when the podcast started kicking off
podcast started kicking off >> in like the early 2010s.
>> in like the early 2010s. >> I realized that I was like, "This is I
>> I realized that I was like, "This is I don't need TV shows anymore." We figured
don't need TV shows anymore." We figured that out in like 2013, 2014. And
that out in like 2013, 2014. And Hollywood is not like It used to be I'm
Hollywood is not like It used to be I'm I'm very old school guy, but I remember
I'm very old school guy, but I remember when when I first started, you couldn't
when when I first started, you couldn't make it in this business. You had to be
make it in this business. You had to be in New York or LA.
in New York or LA. >> Yep. There was no producers going to
>> Yep. There was no producers going to They wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio. There
They wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio. There was no way. This was big.
was no way. This was big. >> Well, there was no comedy communities
>> Well, there was no comedy communities outside of New York and LA.
outside of New York and LA. >> No, not at all.
>> No, not at all. >> Not a real community. There might have
>> Not a real community. There might have been like a good club that had some like
been like a good club that had some like Denver always had like good opening
Denver always had like good opening acts, good good good was responsible for
acts, good good good was responsible for that.
that. >> It wasn't like a real hub like Austin is
>> It wasn't like a real hub like Austin is now. And that wouldn't have happened if
now. And that wouldn't have happened if it hadn't been for the pandemic.
it hadn't been for the pandemic. >> People wouldn't have moved.
>> People wouldn't have moved. >> They wouldn't have moved.
>> They wouldn't have moved. >> No. and you brought a whole community
>> No. and you brought a whole community here. As much as this place was always
here. As much as this place was always big for music or whatever, but I I mean
big for music or whatever, but I I mean there's no way anybody cannot agree with
there's no way anybody cannot agree with like what you did and what you made it
like what you did and what you made it appealing to a lot of people is that you
appealing to a lot of people is that you could go somewhere else, get a better
could go somewhere else, get a better quality of life.
quality of life. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And everything like
>> And everything like >> lower cost of living, better quality of
>> lower cost of living, better quality of life, no traffic, nicer people, and no
life, no traffic, nicer people, and no Hollywood [ __ ] The problem with the
Hollywood [ __ ] The problem with the LA is always going to be poisoned by the
LA is always going to be poisoned by the the idea of going there to become
the idea of going there to become famous,
famous, >> right?
>> right? >> That whole idea was it was permeated in
>> That whole idea was it was permeated in the culture of LA and that fame was like
the culture of LA and that fame was like the number one commodity.
the number one commodity. >> But back then it was that was the case.
>> But back then it was that was the case. But no, Go ahead. I'm sorry.
But no, Go ahead. I'm sorry. >> But the problem is that's bad for art.
>> But the problem is that's bad for art. That's bad for your ability to produce
That's bad for your ability to produce [ __ ] I mean, you got great comics that
[ __ ] I mean, you got great comics that came out of LA, but that was in spite of
came out of LA, but that was in spite of what LA had to offer, right?
what LA had to offer, right? >> It wasn't because of.
>> It wasn't because of. >> Whereas Austin, like the main reason
>> Whereas Austin, like the main reason people come here, first of all, is Kill
people come here, first of all, is Kill Tony, because like you said, Kill Tony
Tony, because like you said, Kill Tony is one of the rare places where you can
is one of the rare places where you can be a comic that's been doing comedy 3,
be a comic that's been doing comedy 3, four years, may even just start now, but
four years, may even just start now, but you got some talent. You can have a
you got some talent. You can have a [ __ ] career, like a real career, and
[ __ ] career, like a real career, and it'll launch. Look, you got Cam
it'll launch. Look, you got Cam Patterson who's on SNL right now. You
Patterson who's on SNL right now. You got all these people like William
got all these people like William Montgomery, David Lucas, they're killing
Montgomery, David Lucas, they're killing it on the road, selling out everywhere
it on the road, selling out everywhere they go. Ari Maddie, these guy, I mean,
they go. Ari Maddie, these guy, I mean, they have a real career now.
they have a real career now. >> But you know, another thing that they
>> But you know, another thing that they don't understand is like this is what I
don't understand is like this is what I say and I I use you as an example.
say and I I use you as an example. Whenever you hear about somebody saying
Whenever you hear about somebody saying that they want to do a podcast, the
that they want to do a podcast, the first thing certain things like, I want
first thing certain things like, I want to be Joe Rogan. And I said this before,
to be Joe Rogan. And I said this before, nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan [ __ ] 25
nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan [ __ ] 25 years ago. They didn't want to put the
years ago. They didn't want to put the work in. They want to see the accolades,
work in. They want to see the accolades, the fortune you've built. They see that
the fortune you've built. They see that part, but nobody sees the hard work.
part, but nobody sees the hard work. Even with Kill Tony, the fact that
Even with Kill Tony, the fact that during the pandemic when he could have
during the pandemic when he could have let the whole platform just fall apart
let the whole platform just fall apart like we don't know when we're going to
like we don't know when we're going to do it, he dug deeper and figure out a
do it, he dug deeper and figure out a way. I'm just going to continue to do
way. I'm just going to continue to do it. Nobody they Nobody ever respects the
it. Nobody they Nobody ever respects the journey,
journey, >> right? And if you think about it, Joe,
>> right? And if you think about it, Joe, and you're probably the same way, most
and you're probably the same way, most successful people, and I know some very,
successful people, and I know some very, very wealthy people, right? And when
very wealthy people, right? And when they talk about their career, whatever,
they talk about their career, whatever, they hardly ever talk about the yacht.
they hardly ever talk about the yacht. They have ever talk about the the
They have ever talk about the the [ __ ] mansion they got in Paris, you
[ __ ] mansion they got in Paris, you know, they talk about it was just me and
know, they talk about it was just me and my wife and we drove a Toyota, you know,
my wife and we drove a Toyota, you know, a Toyota Corolla and we was like, we was
a Toyota Corolla and we was like, we was down to our last 10 bucks and she did
down to our last 10 bucks and she did this. That's the most interesting part
this. That's the most interesting part of the story for most successful people.
of the story for most successful people. And people don't understand that,
And people don't understand that, >> right? They only think about where you
>> right? They only think about where you got to. I want to get to there, too.
got to. I want to get to there, too. >> They want to skip everything. I hear
>> They want to skip everything. I hear people right now, I want to be like
people right now, I want to be like stand up. I'm like, all right. Well, no.
stand up. I'm like, all right. Well, no. When I was doing HBO's The Wire, right?
When I was doing HBO's The Wire, right? This guy I knew, I grew up with, he was
This guy I knew, I grew up with, he was like, this [ __ ] said, "Yo, D,
like, this [ __ ] said, "Yo, D, what's the number to the wire? I want to
what's the number to the wire? I want to call him. I want to be on the wire."
call him. I want to be on the wire." Like, there's a wire. Hey, is this David
Like, there's a wire. Hey, is this David Simon? Yeah, I could be Omar. They
Simon? Yeah, I could be Omar. They don't. I was like, and guess what? If I
don't. I was like, and guess what? If I knew the number to the wire,
knew the number to the wire, >> I wouldn't give it to you. I'm not
>> I wouldn't give it to you. I'm not giving it to you.
giving it to you. >> I want you to get that busy signal.
>> I want you to get that busy signal. That's what it's Nobody ever wants to
That's what it's Nobody ever wants to respect the grind. And they all
respect the grind. And they all everybody wants the rewards of the
everybody wants the rewards of the grind.
grind. >> Everybody, it's just people that are
>> Everybody, it's just people that are they're missing it. They're not getting
they're missing it. They're not getting what it's all about. What's what it's
what it's all about. What's what it's all like Kill Tonyy's a great example of
all like Kill Tonyy's a great example of that. I was there in the early days of
that. I was there in the early days of Kill Tony. When K when Tony started out
Kill Tony. When K when Tony started out in 2013, there was no one in the crowd.
in 2013, there was no one in the crowd. There was no one there. It was a small
There was no one there. It was a small show. You'd have a few comedians, you
show. You'd have a few comedians, you know. I was doing it back before I was
know. I was doing it back before I was back at the comedy store, but I was
back at the comedy store, but I was still banned. So, I was doing it from
still banned. So, I was doing it from the Ice House,
the Ice House, >> right?
>> right? >> And he didn't do it thinking it was
>> And he didn't do it thinking it was going to be the number one show in the
going to be the number one show in the world and he was going to be on Netflix.
world and he was going to be on Netflix. and he did it because it was fun to do
and he did it because it was fun to do and he wanted to do a great job and he
and he wanted to do a great job and he wanted to make it better every week and
wanted to make it better every week and he kept doing it and kept getting better
he kept doing it and kept getting better at it. It's the same thing with this
at it. It's the same thing with this podcast. This podcast didn't make money
podcast. This podcast didn't make money for years. Didn't make any money for
for years. Didn't make any money for years. It cost money.
years. It cost money. >> But the most successful people are the
>> But the most successful people are the ones like even with um when I first
ones like even with um when I first started doing comedy, right? I never You
started doing comedy, right? I never You have some comedians that go out there
have some comedians that go out there like I want to do comedy. I want to get
like I want to do comedy. I want to get the money. I want to get [ __ ] off of
the money. I want to get [ __ ] off of it. Right? When I first started, I never
it. Right? When I first started, I never the only thing I wanted to do, Joe, I
the only thing I wanted to do, Joe, I wanted to be good. I was like this, if
wanted to be good. I was like this, if I'm good, all those other things that
I'm good, all those other things that are rewards of that that were happening,
are rewards of that that were happening, but I had to be good first. And here's
but I had to be good first. And here's the thing that I think especially when
the thing that I think especially when you have these like social media
you have these like social media comedians or whatever. The thing that
comedians or whatever. The thing that the interesting thing about it, it's
the interesting thing about it, it's kind of hard to tell somebody to work on
kind of hard to tell somebody to work on their craft when they getting all the
their craft when they getting all the perks of what the craft can present them
perks of what the craft can present them at an early early stage. It's hard to
at an early early stage. It's hard to tell somebody that's only been doing it
tell somebody that's only been doing it for two years that's making $50,000 or
for two years that's making $50,000 or $100,000 a month off of monetizing
$100,000 a month off of monetizing something. They're like, "This you need
something. They're like, "This you need to get better." Hello.
to get better." Hello. >> They don't have to. Like, do whatever
>> They don't have to. Like, do whatever the [ __ ] you want to do. If you just
the [ __ ] you want to do. If you just want to do that, do that. And also, some
want to do that, do that. And also, some of them are going to figure it out
of them are going to figure it out anyway. Some of them are going to figure
anyway. Some of them are going to figure out, I'm I'm not getting better. I'll
out, I'm I'm not getting better. I'll get better. Let me work harder at it.
get better. Let me work harder at it. >> Right?
>> Right? >> There's going to be people that don't
>> There's going to be people that don't figure things out no matter what you do
figure things out no matter what you do in this life. There's going to be a
in this life. There's going to be a bunch of people that have a distorted
bunch of people that have a distorted perception of what success is all about,
perception of what success is all about, what you really want. It's always going
what you really want. It's always going to be that.
to be that. >> What do you What do you What is This is
>> What do you What do you What is This is interesting question. What is your
interesting question. What is your definition of success?
definition of success? >> Happiness. Happiness and doing something
>> Happiness. Happiness and doing something that you enjoy doing and something
that you enjoy doing and something that's challenging.
that's challenging. >> So, what is your definition of
>> So, what is your definition of happiness?
happiness? >> Friendship, love,
>> Friendship, love, doing something I enjoy doing, doing it
doing something I enjoy doing, doing it well, doing it better all the time,
well, doing it better all the time, getting better at it, you know? I mean,
getting better at it, you know? I mean, you you're and struggle. You're always
you you're and struggle. You're always going to have some kind of a struggle.
going to have some kind of a struggle. And that struggle hopefully is you
And that struggle hopefully is you trying to be better at the thing that
trying to be better at the thing that you're doing.
you're doing. >> You What gives you, this is an
>> You What gives you, this is an interesting question. What gives you the
interesting question. What gives you the incentive
incentive to always continue to want to perform?
to always continue to want to perform? What gives you incentive to always want
What gives you incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan and Friends when you
to do Joe Rogan and Friends when you could just sit back and [ __ ] just
could just sit back and [ __ ] just >> It's fun. It's fun. It's first of all,
>> It's fun. It's fun. It's first of all, the green room on Tuesday and Wednesday
the green room on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at the mothership. Some of the
nights at the mothership. Some of the funniest times I've ever had in my
funniest times I've ever had in my [ __ ] life. It's so fun. We have so
[ __ ] life. It's so fun. We have so much fun there. There's Ron White there
much fun there. There's Ron White there and Shane Gillis and Tony and
and Shane Gillis and Tony and >> it's fun. It's I mean it's a community.
>> it's fun. It's I mean it's a community. >> Sounds like you're trying to get me to
>> Sounds like you're trying to get me to enjoy our times. Would you want to come
enjoy our times. Would you want to come on?
on? >> Come to Tuesday.
>> Come to Tuesday. >> What are you doing tomorrow?
>> What are you doing tomorrow? >> Come on, Dell. What do you got going on
>> Come on, Dell. What do you got going on tomorrow? Where are you headed back to
tomorrow? Where are you headed back to Ohio?
Ohio? >> No, I'm going to uh LA. Do you have a
>> No, I'm going to uh LA. Do you have a show?
show? >> I got a son.
>> I got a son. >> Okay. Well, that's different. That's
>> Okay. Well, that's different. That's more important.
more important. >> But I can just give him some Roblox
>> But I can just give him some Roblox money. He'll be all right.
money. He'll be all right. He
He >> I'll give you some Roblox money. He'll
>> I'll give you some Roblox money. He'll be cool. Let me tell you, I might cuz I
be cool. Let me tell you, I might cuz I didn't I wish I would have even thought
didn't I wish I would have even thought about it before, but I might I might cuz
about it before, but I might I might cuz I haven't had that experience.
I haven't had that experience. >> Oh, calm down then. If you can if your
>> Oh, calm down then. If you can if your son's cool with it, do it. If not,
son's cool with it, do it. If not, there's always another time.
there's always another time. >> I can cook it another time. That's
>> I can cook it another time. That's another thing about me being an older
another thing about me being an older dad. Like my son is really the age. He
dad. Like my son is really the age. He could be my grandson. I don't have time
could be my grandson. I don't have time to do all those instill vials and morals
to do all those instill vials and morals and [ __ ] I'm like this. Will candy shut
and [ __ ] I'm like this. Will candy shut this [ __ ] up. Yo, I'm like, yo,
this [ __ ] up. Yo, I'm like, yo, let's go to McDonald's or whatever. But
let's go to McDonald's or whatever. But yeah, I'm going see. I would definitely
yeah, I'm going see. I would definitely consider that.
consider that. >> Consider it.
>> Consider it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> But that's what I like. I mean, I'm just
>> But that's what I like. I mean, I'm just enjoying my life and I like to do things
enjoying my life and I like to do things that I find that are interesting and
that I find that are interesting and challenging and I like to have
challenging and I like to have conversations with interesting people
conversations with interesting people and I like the fact that people enjoy it
and I like the fact that people enjoy it still.
still. >> You know, when I first met you were, you
>> You know, when I first met you were, you know, and I already I already knew that
know, and I already I already knew that uh you had the ultimate platform, right?
uh you had the ultimate platform, right? And I never this is me and I don't know
And I never this is me and I don't know if this is what happened, but I was like
if this is what happened, but I was like I never want to be like, "Hey, Joe
I never want to be like, "Hey, Joe Rogan, I'm down here rhymes from so and
Rogan, I'm down here rhymes from so and so." And the only respect I ever wanted
so." And the only respect I ever wanted to get from my peers and people that
to get from my peers and people that were doing it was like from the stage,
were doing it was like from the stage, you know? I always like I was like, if
you know? I always like I was like, if we ever make the connection, I wanted to
we ever make the connection, I wanted to be off of, yo, this [ __ ] is
be off of, yo, this [ __ ] is funny first, not just like, hey, you
funny first, not just like, hey, you know, I rock with Dave anything. And I
know, I rock with Dave anything. And I think that that was what happened. I
think that that was what happened. I used to spend time in and I never never
used to spend time in and I never never did. Even to this day, I don't, you
did. Even to this day, I don't, you know, I just look at like the resp I
know, I just look at like the resp I just want people, you can respect me as
just want people, you can respect me as a man and respect my character,
a man and respect my character, whatever, but at the end of the day,
whatever, but at the end of the day, what I love to do the most is stand up.
what I love to do the most is stand up. I want you to be like, "Yo, this
I want you to be like, "Yo, this [ __ ] puts the work in." And then
[ __ ] puts the work in." And then we can build everything off of that.
we can build everything off of that. That's what respect I want of I want the
That's what respect I want of I want the respect from what I put in, the work I
respect from what I put in, the work I put in. people can acknowledge that and
put in. people can acknowledge that and that's what builds my relationship with
that's what builds my relationship with you. It's built my relationships with
you. It's built my relationships with all of these all these guys. Bird all of
all of these all these guys. Bird all of all of these all these people that I
all of these all these people that I [ __ ] with now. It ain't because other
[ __ ] with now. It ain't because other than anything other than like yo he's a
than anything other than like yo he's a dope comic and then you can find out
dope comic and then you can find out that I'm a good dude after.
that I'm a good dude after. >> Yeah. It's that and then after that it's
>> Yeah. It's that and then after that it's got to be like are you cool,
got to be like are you cool, >> right?
>> right? >> Is is he fun to hang out with?
>> Is is he fun to hang out with? >> Right.
>> Right. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Barry K said that one time. He said that
>> Barry K said that one time. He said that in one of his podcast. It's one of the
in one of his podcast. It's one of the things that separate like who goes on
things that separate like who goes on the road or so and so is if you're a
the road or so and so is if you're a good hang.
good hang. >> Yeah. Oh my god. That's everything.
>> Yeah. Oh my god. That's everything. >> I don't know how many people quote berry
>> I don't know how many people quote berry cats, but I want to share this story.
cats, but I want to share this story. >> You might be the only one
>> You might be the only one >> and you probably the only one be but I
>> and you probably the only one be but I you said something earlier about
you said something earlier about undeniable, right? Yeah.
undeniable, right? Yeah. >> I remember when I first moved from DC
>> I remember when I first moved from DC and I moved to New York, I was doing the
and I moved to New York, I was doing the Chitlin circuit, the black circuit. I
Chitlin circuit, the black circuit. I was popular in the black community,
was popular in the black community, whatever. I was like, I don't think this
whatever. I was like, I don't think this is going to be enough.
is going to be enough. >> I want to do the mainstream stuff. I
>> I want to do the mainstream stuff. I want to do these other things, right?
want to do these other things, right? And Barry Catz, um Dave used to uh host
And Barry Catz, um Dave used to uh host this comedy night at this place called
this comedy night at this place called El Flamingos in in DC in in New York.
El Flamingos in in DC in in New York. And Barry Catz saw me there one day. He
And Barry Catz saw me there one day. He was like, I don't think I've ever seen a
was like, I don't think I've ever seen a comedian that go in front of an audience
comedian that go in front of an audience that would ready to rip someone's head
that would ready to rip someone's head off and you could hear silence. You
off and you could hear silence. You know, that's the control I had over the
know, that's the control I had over the audience. So, we built sort of a respect
audience. So, we built sort of a respect for each other. And um I remember one
for each other. And um I remember one time I was at the comedy seller and he
time I was at the comedy seller and he was there and I knew that he was back
was there and I knew that he was back then, whatever you want to say about
then, whatever you want to say about him, nobody had a roster bigger than
him, nobody had a roster bigger than Barry Cats back then in like 97 or
Barry Cats back then in like 97 or whatever, he had everybody. Uh
whatever, he had everybody. Uh >> he the list goes on and on. So I and I
>> he the list goes on and on. So I and I knew he was a fan of mine and I said,
knew he was a fan of mine and I said, "Barry, man, I'm trying to work these
"Barry, man, I'm trying to work these clubs, these mainstream clubs, but I'm
clubs, these mainstream clubs, but I'm having a hard time uh getting in passing
having a hard time uh getting in passing these clubs." I was like, "Could you
these clubs." I was like, "Could you make a phone call or whatever for me?"
make a phone call or whatever for me?" And he looked at me. He said, "Darnell,"
And he looked at me. He said, "Darnell," he said, "this is what you do." I
he said, "this is what you do." I probably do the worst. Everybody does a
probably do the worst. Everybody does a better better berry catch.
better better berry catch. >> You got to do Barry like this.
>> You got to do Barry like this. >> Yes. Okay, I'll try it again. He was
>> Yes. Okay, I'll try it again. He was like,
like, >> "This is what you do."
>> "This is what you do." >> And slowing down. He said, "Darnell,
>> And slowing down. He said, "Darnell, just rip." Right. He said,
just rip." Right. He said, >> "Yeah, be undeniable."
>> "Yeah, be undeniable." >> That's what he said. He said, "Just be."
>> That's what he said. He said, "Just be." He said, "I'm not talk." And I tell this
He said, "I'm not talk." And I tell this is advice I give people. They say,
is advice I give people. They say, "Well, I need so I was like, I'm not
"Well, I need so I was like, I'm not talking about have one good set and
talking about have one good set and you've have four bad sets." I'm talking
you've have four bad sets." I'm talking about the consistency where every time
about the consistency where every time somebody sees you go on that stage, you
somebody sees you go on that stage, you blowing the roof off. And once you do
blowing the roof off. And once you do that, if the managers are going to come
that, if the managers are going to come to you, they're going to hear about it.
to you, they're going to hear about it. That's the one of the things that a lot
That's the one of the things that a lot of people try to skip. They like, "Oh,
of people try to skip. They like, "Oh, how was your set? It was okay, but I I
how was your set? It was okay, but I I can't talk to you unless you just
can't talk to you unless you just straight just destroying [ __ ]
straight just destroying [ __ ] everywhere. Then you got other [ __ ] to
everywhere. Then you got other [ __ ] to work on.
work on. >> Yeah. And there's also a lot of people
>> Yeah. And there's also a lot of people that are very delusional about how well
that are very delusional about how well they're doing because they want so much.
they're doing because they want so much. They want it all to be about them. So
They want it all to be about them. So they think they should have already had
they think they should have already had this, they should have already had that.
this, they should have already had that. Why don't I have a sitcom? Why don't I
Why don't I have a sitcom? Why don't I have a this? Why don't I have a that?
have a this? Why don't I have a that? >> And I always said this is another thing
>> And I always said this is another thing even with these lineups you do these
even with these lineups you do these shows, whatever. Always say that you
shows, whatever. Always say that you have time to have a defining moment.
have time to have a defining moment. If you're in the room, right, and for
If you're in the room, right, and for some reason the room is on fire, the
some reason the room is on fire, the club is on fire, everybody is ripping,
club is on fire, everybody is ripping, you probably won't stand out as much as
you probably won't stand out as much as that night when everybody was bombing.
that night when everybody was bombing. You've seen rooms where
You've seen rooms where >> everybody come back saying and say,
>> everybody come back saying and say, "That crowd was weird." But then you got
"That crowd was weird." But then you got one [ __ ] back there like this. I
one [ __ ] back there like this. I don't give a [ __ ] what y'all doing.
don't give a [ __ ] what y'all doing. >> Right.
>> Right. >> I'm going to elevate this. Those are the
>> I'm going to elevate this. Those are the times when you got to [ __ ] stand up.
times when you got to [ __ ] stand up. >> Yeah. Well, we used to see that all the
>> Yeah. Well, we used to see that all the time at the store, like late night at
time at the store, like late night at the store in particular, where like, you
the store in particular, where like, you know, cuz the way the store works, the
know, cuz the way the store works, the show starts at 8:00 p.m. and it goes on
show starts at 8:00 p.m. and it goes on till 2:00 a.m. And there's a lot of
till 2:00 a.m. And there's a lot of people that get there at 8 8:00 p.m.
people that get there at 8 8:00 p.m. that are like, you know, tourists that
that are like, you know, tourists that are in town and they sit there for the
are in town and they sit there for the whole [ __ ] show. They came to see the
whole [ __ ] show. They came to see the comedy store. Yeah.
comedy store. Yeah. >> So, by the time 12:30 rolls around,
>> So, by the time 12:30 rolls around, [ __ ] they've seen everything. And so
[ __ ] they've seen everything. And so you get this low period and then someone
you get this low period and then someone will go up and just tear that [ __ ]
will go up and just tear that [ __ ] place apart when 50 people.
place apart when 50 people. >> When I used to I was so naive when I
>> When I used to I was so naive when I first started that um uh we used to have
first started that um uh we used to have open mics, right? And the open mic list
open mics, right? And the open mic list would be like 25 people, right? And they
would be like 25 people, right? And they they [ __ ] the guy that was running,
they [ __ ] the guy that was running, they hated me so much because I used to
they hated me so much because I used to talk [ __ ] in the audience and everything
talk [ __ ] in the audience and everything and they would keep bumping me down,
and they would keep bumping me down, right? And my dumb ass never got mad,
right? And my dumb ass never got mad, right? I was like this. Yeah, they want
right? I was like this. Yeah, they want me to headline, right? 25 comedians. I
me to headline, right? 25 comedians. I took that I was like, "Yeah, seven." I
took that I was like, "Yeah, seven." I didn't think about audience fatigue or
didn't think about audience fatigue or anything.
anything. >> Oh, boy.
>> Oh, boy. >> I just was like, "Yeah." And it would be
>> I just was like, "Yeah." And it would be And but I'm telling you, I think that
And but I'm telling you, I think that was one of the things that made me
was one of the things that made me strong because
strong because >> 100%.
>> 100%. >> I was like, I I I'm going to do what the
>> I was like, I I I'm going to do what the next person there's one story. This is
next person there's one story. This is one of, if you ask Dave Chappelle, one
one of, if you ask Dave Chappelle, one of the dopest sets he's ever seen. I
of the dopest sets he's ever seen. I just so happened to be a part of that.
just so happened to be a part of that. It was at the Hollywood Bowl years ago,
It was at the Hollywood Bowl years ago, about three years ago. Right. You know,
about three years ago. Right. You know, Jeff,
Jeff, >> is that when he got attacked?
>> is that when he got attacked? >> No, no, that wasn't that. It was like
>> No, no, that wasn't that. It was like the year before. Okay.
the year before. Okay. >> You know, Jeff Wills Live Nation, right?
>> You know, Jeff Wills Live Nation, right? >> Sure.
>> Sure. >> So, we're doing um
>> So, we're doing um >> Shout out to Jeff.
>> Shout out to Jeff. >> Shout out to Jeff. Um, we're doing uh a
>> Shout out to Jeff. Um, we're doing uh a show, you know, Hollywood Bowls 18,000
show, you know, Hollywood Bowls 18,000 people, right?
people, right? >> So, show starts at 7 o'clock, right?
>> So, show starts at 7 o'clock, right? Jeff comes up to me. He was like,
Jeff comes up to me. He was like, "Donnie, I got some good news and bad
"Donnie, I got some good news and bad news." He said, "What?" He said, "We're
news." He said, "What?" He said, "We're going to start on time. It's only but
going to start on time. It's only but 700 people out there right now. You
700 people out there right now. You imagine what 700 people look like in
imagine what 700 people look like in front of 18,000 place, right?" He said,
front of 18,000 place, right?" He said, "There's only 700 people out there." He
"There's only 700 people out there." He said, "Well, I can let you start now or
said, "Well, I can let you start now or we can wait 10 minutes." I was like,
we can wait 10 minutes." I was like, "Jeff, it's not like 17,000 people going
"Jeff, it's not like 17,000 people going to show up in 10 minutes." I said, "Give
to show up in 10 minutes." I said, "Give me the mic now." Big ass stage. I jump
me the mic now." Big ass stage. I jump off the stage, right? Dave and all these
off the stage, right? Dave and all these people in the green room. I jump off the
people in the green room. I jump off the stage. I go into the audience. I'm
stage. I go into the audience. I'm literally going to each person
literally going to each person in the theater and I'll get you a
in the theater and I'll get you a picture. You can add this. I'm going to
picture. You can add this. I'm going to each person.
each person. >> Why didn't they wait for the people to
>> Why didn't they wait for the people to show up and sit down?
show up and sit down? >> That's what I wanted to say. But they
>> That's what I wanted to say. But they were just like, "The show has to
were just like, "The show has to continue."
continue." >> I don't allow that. I never allow that.
>> I don't allow that. I never allow that. >> They've tried to do that before with me
>> They've tried to do that before with me and they say, "We're going to have to
and they say, "We're going to have to pay more money if the show goes over." I
pay more money if the show goes over." I go, "Then the show goes over and we pay
go, "Then the show goes over and we pay more money. Get the [ __ ] out of But for
more money. Get the [ __ ] out of But for for me it was a moment because any other
for me it was a moment because any other comedian not any other most people like
comedian not any other most people like this or was nobody out there so many
this or was nobody out there so many excuses. I jumped off stage I was like
excuses. I jumped off stage I was like no I'm I can't be up here look like I'm
no I'm I can't be up here look like I'm about to be auctioned off. I go in the
about to be auctioned off. I go in the audience I'm going to each joint right
audience I'm going to each joint right and I'm [ __ ] killing it's 700 people
and I'm [ __ ] killing it's 700 people in front of 18,000.
in front of 18,000. >> That's a great way to start a show.
>> That's a great way to start a show. >> But listen and I'm like this and here's
>> But listen and I'm like this and here's the [ __ ] up thing about this. Nobody's
the [ __ ] up thing about this. Nobody's going to know about it cuz YOUR [ __ ]
going to know about it cuz YOUR [ __ ] PHONES ARE LOCKED UP, RIGHT? YO, it was
PHONES ARE LOCKED UP, RIGHT? YO, it was a moment Dave uh uh Dave, everybody from
a moment Dave uh uh Dave, everybody from the green room came out, right? And Dave
the green room came out, right? And Dave told me to this day, he said, "If I was
told me to this day, he said, "If I was doing a a class on standup comedy," he
doing a a class on standup comedy," he said, "I would use this as an example of
said, "I would use this as an example of like owning up to it." And it was so
like owning up to it." And it was so crazy, man. It was like And it was just
crazy, man. It was like And it was just it was crazy. I remember another time I
it was crazy. I remember another time I was working with uh I think I was
was working with uh I think I was working with you. It was me, you, and
working with you. It was me, you, and Dave. And I think it was a time we was
Dave. And I think it was a time we was doing an outdoor theater and uh I was
doing an outdoor theater and uh I was supposed to be a break. It was supposed
supposed to be a break. It was supposed to be me. It was supposed to be I think
to be me. It was supposed to be I think you, Tony, or whatever or something.
you, Tony, or whatever or something. Then it was a break and then it was
Then it was a break and then it was going to be me and Dave. But uh it was
going to be me and Dave. But uh it was still daytime, right?
still daytime, right? >> Where was this?
>> Where was this? >> I can't remember the place. It was still
>> I can't remember the place. It was still day. Jeff, he came up to me. He was I
day. Jeff, he came up to me. He was I was like, "I already know I'm going to
was like, "I already know I'm going to have to go on now." And I literally had
have to go on now." And I literally had to perform until it started getting
to perform until it started getting dark.
dark. >> Oh, I remember this.
>> Oh, I remember this. >> And I was saying to myself, I was like,
>> And I was saying to myself, I was like, "Ain't no way." I was like, "This ain't
"Ain't no way." I was like, "This ain't no way they giving Rogan." And it wasn't
no way they giving Rogan." And it wasn't a shitty people just hadn't come yet,
a shitty people just hadn't come yet, >> right?
>> right? >> I was like, I knew I was going to even
>> I was like, I knew I was going to even suggest. I was like, "Nah, we had these
suggest. I was like, "Nah, we had these two halves, right?" And it was and I
two halves, right?" And it was and I that was another example like, "Okay,
that was another example like, "Okay, you got to do what you got to do." And I
you got to do what you got to do." And I had to go up there. It wasn't the spot
had to go up there. It wasn't the spot that I expected or whatever, but I was
that I expected or whatever, but I was like this, you know, for the sake of the
like this, you know, for the sake of the show. And I'm always like, what do we
show. And I'm always like, what do we need to do to support this? And I had to
need to do to support this? And I had to we had to bring it down. We had to buy
we had to bring it down. We had to buy some more time. And then by the time you
some more time. And then by the time you got on stage, everybody was seated.
got on stage, everybody was seated. >> It was dark.
>> It was dark. >> It was dark.
>> It was dark. >> That was that was outside of San
>> That was that was outside of San Francisco.
Francisco. >> I can't remember exactly. That was
>> I can't remember exactly. That was moment. That was California. That [ __ ]
moment. That was California. That [ __ ] was fun.
was fun. >> But I tell people all the time and I do
>> But I tell people all the time and I do slight mentor. I was like, man, it's
slight mentor. I was like, man, it's certain times where you got to do what
certain times where you got to do what the next person is not going to do. You
the next person is not going to do. You can't [ __ ] about [ __ ] And at the end
can't [ __ ] about [ __ ] And at the end of the day, you got to be a [ __ ] I know
of the day, you got to be a [ __ ] I know when I used to do these shows with Dave,
when I used to do these shows with Dave, I used to [ __ ] get the shittiest
I used to [ __ ] get the shittiest time. Like, what? Well, we're at 30%
time. Like, what? Well, we're at 30% capacity. I'm like, man, half of these
capacity. I'm like, man, half of these [ __ ] not even going to see me.
[ __ ] not even going to see me. But I looked it like this. Well, the
But I looked it like this. Well, the people that's going to see me, they're
people that's going to see me, they're going to remember it, you know, and you
going to remember it, you know, and you just got to keep on keep on going.
just got to keep on keep on going. >> That's a good attitude.
>> That's a good attitude. >> Yep. Yeah, that's healthy.
>> Yep. Yeah, that's healthy. >> See, I feel like this very productive.
>> See, I feel like this very productive. >> This conversation is going to bode well
>> This conversation is going to bode well with my mental health.
with my mental health. >> Yeah, I think so, too.
>> Yeah, I think so, too. >> Everything except the lies you told
>> Everything except the lies you told about Jamie.
>> You know what I'm going to do? I'mma start taking [ __ ] videos. I wish I
start taking [ __ ] videos. I wish I would have had it.
would have had it. >> Yeah, I wish he did, too.
>> Yeah, I wish he did, too. >> And the thing about it,
>> And the thing about it, >> you would see like, oh man, he didn't
>> you would see like, oh man, he didn't even have a leather jacket on.
even have a leather jacket on. >> And thing and he wasn't even talking to
>> And thing and he wasn't even talking to me. He was talking to me like, what is
me. He was talking to me like, what is it? No, I'm walked up. You didn't even
it? No, I'm walked up. You didn't even know who I was at first.
know who I was at first. >> Guess why? WHY DIDN'T I KNOW? I NEVER
>> Guess why? WHY DIDN'T I KNOW? I NEVER KNOW THAT. I NEVER KNEW. I WAS LIKE, WHO
KNOW THAT. I NEVER KNEW. I WAS LIKE, WHO IS THIS FAKE ass Jamie ass [ __ ]
IS THIS FAKE ass Jamie ass [ __ ] It's like it was almost like remember
It's like it was almost like remember when uh family battles uh Urkl and then
when uh family battles uh Urkl and then Stefan.
Stefan. It was two characters. They had the they
It was two characters. They had the they had the the like the geeky Urkl and then
had the the like the geeky Urkl and then his alter ego, whatever. He was just
his alter ego, whatever. He was just this cool ass. He was the same person.
this cool ass. He was the same person. >> Whatever happened to that dude?
>> Whatever happened to that dude? Yeah.
Yeah. >> Oh, he's been around.
>> Oh, he's been around. >> What's he selling weed?
>> What's he selling weed? >> Is he?
>> Is he? >> He was. And his weed is really good.
>> He was. And his weed is really good. >> He's got a weed. Purple.
>> He's got a weed. Purple. >> It's the best. He got this joint he
>> It's the best. He got this joint he wrote and it's like some type of Italian
wrote and it's like some type of Italian noodle. The spiral noodle. He used that
noodle. The spiral noodle. He used that as a filter.
as a filter. >> But also, I spent a lot of time with him
>> But also, I spent a lot of time with him because he would come out to the
because he would come out to the cornfields, whatever. So, I've been
cornfields, whatever. So, I've been seeing him. He's got a talk show on
seeing him. He's got a talk show on >> Didn't he get jacked? Isn't he like, is
>> Didn't he get jacked? Isn't he like, is that him? White. Uh, I don't know.
that him? White. Uh, I don't know. >> I heard Urg got in great shape. Yeah,
>> I heard Urg got in great shape. Yeah, but he's a good guy, man. But he's
but he's a good guy, man. But he's another one of those celebrities I know
another one of those celebrities I know that wants to do comedy but don't have
that wants to do comedy but don't have the heart to do it.
the heart to do it. >> Always. I was like, well, he said, "No,
>> Always. I was like, well, he said, "No, no, no, don't do that." But he's a he's
no, no, don't do that." But he's a he's a he's a great guy.
a he's a great guy. >> It's hard to start out already famous.
>> It's hard to start out already famous. That's one of the things that I've
That's one of the things that I've really respected about Charlie. Charlie
really respected about Charlie. Charlie was already famous when he was starting.
was already famous when he was starting. >> Do you know who started Charlie?
>> Do you know who started Charlie? >> Who?
>> Who? >> Me.
>> Me. >> Did you?
>> Did you? >> And this is how it happened. when we
>> And this is how it happened. when we were doing the Chappelle show and it's
were doing the Chappelle show and it's safe to say like nobody was really
safe to say like nobody was really making money. You know, in the contract
making money. You know, in the contract when you in your contract if your show
when you in your contract if your show just blows up, you got to stick to
just blows up, you got to stick to whatever you was getting for the
whatever you was getting for the contract, right?
contract, right? >> So, we weren't making a lot of money
>> So, we weren't making a lot of money doing the show, but I was like just
doing the show, but I was like just we're too popular right now. And at that
we're too popular right now. And at that time, it was me and Charlie. We was it
time, it was me and Charlie. We was it was Dave, me and Charlie, like the
was Dave, me and Charlie, like the biggest names on the show. So, this um
biggest names on the show. So, this um Mike Burkowitz, who's Dave, who's head
Mike Burkowitz, who's Dave, who's head of um um Whim and Morris right now,
of um um Whim and Morris right now, right? He was a young agent at the time,
right? He was a young agent at the time, right? He was coming up and I was like I
right? He was coming up and I was like I told Jason my manager at the time jail
told Jason my manager at the time jail Jason Steinberg I said man we got to do
Jason Steinberg I said man we got to do a tour or something. I was like yo
a tour or something. I was like yo everybody talking about I'm Rich [ __ ]
everybody talking about I'm Rich [ __ ] I was like let's do I'm Rich [ __ ] tour
I was like let's do I'm Rich [ __ ] tour right? He was like it's a good idea. I
right? He was like it's a good idea. I said me and Charlie can do it. At the
said me and Charlie can do it. At the time that was only a twoman show.
time that was only a twoman show. Charlie didn't have no time or anything.
Charlie didn't have no time or anything. And I was like you know what I want to
And I was like you know what I want to do it because it was my idea. I said I
do it because it was my idea. I said I want to do me Charlie. I said we need
want to do me Charlie. I said we need another comedian. At the time, Bill Burr
another comedian. At the time, Bill Burr was not making a lot of money doing
was not making a lot of money doing standup. And I'm not disrespecting, but
standup. And I'm not disrespecting, but you everybody knew he was going to blow.
you everybody knew he was going to blow. But that was early on in the career. And
But that was early on in the career. And all Bill had to do was have a situation
all Bill had to do was have a situation like he had in Philly. Everybody knew he
like he had in Philly. Everybody knew he was going to blow, right?
was going to blow, right? >> So I said, "Why don't we do a tour? Me,
>> So I said, "Why don't we do a tour? Me, Charlie, and Bill Bird. That [ __ ] would
Charlie, and Bill Bird. That [ __ ] would be hot." Charlie had never did standup.
be hot." Charlie had never did standup. And I used to He used to always crack
And I used to He used to always crack jokes and [ __ ] I was like, "Yeah, you
jokes and [ __ ] I was like, "Yeah, you talk a lot of [ __ ] but once that
talk a lot of [ __ ] but once that microphone your ass, you a [ __ ] ass
microphone your ass, you a [ __ ] ass motherfucker." So Charlie was a guy like
motherfucker." So Charlie was a guy like don't threaten him with anything, right?
don't threaten him with anything, right? So this is when they had they had the uh
So this is when they had they had the uh Laugh Factory in New York for Time
Laugh Factory in New York for Time Square, right? One of my friends was
Square, right? One of my friends was doing the show there. I was like,
doing the show there. I was like, Charlie, yo, if we going to do this
Charlie, yo, if we going to do this tour, you got to at least have 10
tour, you got to at least have 10 minutes. He could have at that time
minutes. He could have at that time Charlie was so hot. He people would have
Charlie was so hot. He people would have just YELLED OUT CHARLIE MURPHY for five
just YELLED OUT CHARLIE MURPHY for five minutes. He was the MC. We just needed
minutes. He was the MC. We just needed his face to be there.
his face to be there. >> And this was it would be Charlie,
>> And this was it would be Charlie, Charlie, Bilber, and myself. And Charlie
Charlie, Bilber, and myself. And Charlie had no jokes, right? And like you said,
had no jokes, right? And like you said, I was like, maybe I don't know if you
I was like, maybe I don't know if you guys understand how it is to be selling
guys understand how it is to be selling out as a open micer.
out as a open micer. >> Crazy.
>> Crazy. >> And he had to get his voice. And I know
>> And he had to get his voice. And I know and I was like, why did he never do
and I was like, why did he never do this? But I'm part of it was because he
this? But I'm part of it was because he probably never want to be compared to
probably never want to be compared to his brother,
his brother, >> right?
>> right? >> He never wanted to be able to like uh
>> He never wanted to be able to like uh that's his brother and he had his own
that's his brother and he had his own style or whatever. So we did this
style or whatever. So we did this [ __ ] tour for like like a year and
[ __ ] tour for like like a year and then I saw him start to grow. Sometimes
then I saw him start to grow. Sometimes he took some hits, but he became Charlie
he took some hits, but he became Charlie Murphy. He became like, "I'm not my
Murphy. He became like, "I'm not my brother. I'm a storyteller." He stuck to
brother. I'm a storyteller." He stuck to that [ __ ] And the one of the things
that [ __ ] And the one of the things that I would say that I really
that I would say that I really appreciate about what uh the Chappelle
appreciate about what uh the Chappelle Show gave to Charlie Murphy. When
Show gave to Charlie Murphy. When Charlie Murphy passed away, Joe, nobody
Charlie Murphy passed away, Joe, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother died,
said Eddie Murphy's brother died, >> right?
>> right? >> They said Charlie Murphy passed away. So
>> They said Charlie Murphy passed away. So if that show didn't do and when I tell
if that show didn't do and when I tell you one of the most standup original
you one of the most standup original guys all of those stories like was it
guys all of those stories like was it true it was he told that was just part
true it was he told that was just part of the story me day me Charlie and Bill
of the story me day me Charlie and Bill built a relationship we did something
built a relationship we did something that was spectacular then but uh Bill
that was spectacular then but uh Bill Bird used to [ __ ] with us and I'm going
Bird used to [ __ ] with us and I'm going to tell you one of the things he would
to tell you one of the things he would do we would be on the road and we all we
do we would be on the road and we all we used to do was argue and fight and just
used to do was argue and fight and just [ __ ] with each other one time Bill Burr,
[ __ ] with each other one time Bill Burr, he did some [ __ ] I don't want to call
he did some [ __ ] I don't want to call this racist or whatever, but whenever it
this racist or whatever, but whenever it it was very Bostononian, okay, I won't
it was very Bostononian, okay, I won't say, but what he did, I didn't know two
say, but what he did, I didn't know two years later, Bill Bird would when we
years later, Bill Bird would when we meet up, he would buy a [ __ ] like 12
meet up, he would buy a [ __ ] like 12 piece of Popeye's chicken, right? And he
piece of Popeye's chicken, right? And he knew me and Charlie would devour that
knew me and Charlie would devour that chicken and we would be in a sleep coma,
chicken and we would be in a sleep coma, right, the next 15 minutes. And it was
right, the next 15 minutes. And it was almost like he gave us sleeping pills
almost like he gave us sleeping pills and [ __ ] He would get us a chicken,
and [ __ ] He would get us a chicken, we'd be knocked out, and then he just go
we'd be knocked out, and then he just go and just laugh at us and [ __ ] But that
and just laugh at us and [ __ ] But that time, that was such a great time because
time, that was such a great time because you saw people's careers being born.
you saw people's careers being born. Like Bill was already on a trajectory to
Like Bill was already on a trajectory to be great. You know what I'm saying? But
be great. You know what I'm saying? But at that time, and this is when I say the
at that time, and this is when I say the stories that you remember, I'm pretty
stories that you remember, I'm pretty sure Bill still remembers like this was
sure Bill still remembers like this was the first time that he was making like
the first time that he was making like regular good money every week. You know
regular good money every week. You know how it is for be a [ __ ] headliner
how it is for be a [ __ ] headliner that's doing $800 a weekend or or they
that's doing $800 a weekend or or they give you a deal $2,000 and then you get
give you a deal $2,000 and then you get a $500 bonus when you sell or give away
a $500 bonus when you sell or give away 300 tickets
300 tickets >> and you're not working every weekend
>> and you're not working every weekend >> and you're not working every weekend and
>> and you're not working every weekend and then you got club bonus like your bonus
then you got club bonus like your bonus supposed to be at 300 and they be like
supposed to be at 300 and they be like uh couldn't give you that bonus. You was
uh couldn't give you that bonus. You was at 298 you know be like [ __ ] I
at 298 you know be like [ __ ] I could have bought those. They lied to
could have bought those. They lied to it.
it. >> They lie about how many tickets you
>> They lie about how many tickets you sold. They lied to and then they wonder
sold. They lied to and then they wonder why when guys become big and everything
why when guys become big and everything they don't want to come back cuz I
they don't want to come back cuz I remember that.
remember that. >> Oh, I remember that. There's a couple
>> Oh, I remember that. There's a couple club owners that they can go eat [ __ ]
club owners that they can go eat [ __ ] >> And I tell people all the time when
>> And I tell people all the time when everybody talk about this. I was like,
everybody talk about this. I was like, "Yo, try this. Try doing a [ __ ] tour
"Yo, try this. Try doing a [ __ ] tour for a year and a half." And every night
for a year and a half." And every night you had to come behind Bill Burr.
you had to come behind Bill Burr. I had no days off. And I knew when I had
I had no days off. And I knew when I had a day off, it wasn't I wasn't hitting on
a day off, it wasn't I wasn't hitting on all cylinders because that's when they
all cylinders because that's when they had used to have comment cards, right?
had used to have comment cards, right? The comment cards like I DON'T KNOW WHY
The comment cards like I DON'T KNOW WHY THE THE WHITE BOY DIDN'T GO LAST, RIGHT?
THE THE WHITE BOY DIDN'T GO LAST, RIGHT? >> But that always that just that's that's
>> But that always that just that's that's that always kept me in shape. You know
that always kept me in shape. You know what I'm saying? It's like this you
what I'm saying? It's like this you don't got no time to play around cuz
don't got no time to play around cuz Bill
Bill >> and Bill cuz Bill was one of those
>> and Bill cuz Bill was one of those comics. Bill was like, Bill would come.
comics. Bill was like, Bill would come. Bill did the mainstream [ __ ] and he was
Bill did the mainstream [ __ ] and he was one of the only white dudes with would
one of the only white dudes with would do the [ __ ] most griiest spots ever.
do the [ __ ] most griiest spots ever. And I'm pretty sure he's always going to
And I'm pretty sure he's always going to be a great comic. But I think that that
be a great comic. But I think that that helped build his character. Like I think
helped build his character. Like I think that was probably what made him be in a
that was probably what made him be in a position where he go to Philly like,
position where he go to Philly like, "Yo, [ __ ] y'all. I just did Darnell's
"Yo, [ __ ] y'all. I just did Darnell's [ __ ] hood club in Brooklyn, right?
[ __ ] hood club in Brooklyn, right? >> If I can handle that, I can handle
>> If I can handle that, I can handle that."
that." >> Well, that rant in Philly was cuz he was
>> Well, that rant in Philly was cuz he was doing the Opie and Anthony tour. So when
doing the Opie and Anthony tour. So when Opie and Anthony, their crowd were
Opie and Anthony, their crowd were brutal. Their crowds were [ __ ]
brutal. Their crowds were [ __ ] brutal.
brutal. >> They was kill Tony's before Kill Tonies
>> They was kill Tony's before Kill Tonies was
was >> way worse. Way worse. That they had sort
>> way worse. Way worse. That they had sort of fed into that crowd. They they
of fed into that crowd. They they fostered that crowd. They called them
fostered that crowd. They called them the pests.
the pests. >> But then even going back to what I was
>> But then even going back to what I was saying in this career sometimes you have
saying in this career sometimes you have situations that have a defining moment.
situations that have a defining moment. >> And that was one of those things. I'm
>> And that was one of those things. I'm pretty sure everybody that went on
pretty sure everybody that went on before Bill was throwing a towel and he
before Bill was throwing a towel and he was like, "Fuck that." But what happened
was like, "Fuck that." But what happened was Damarrera went on and you know
was Damarrera went on and you know Domera is a legend.
hurting. He's got whatever that neurological condition is. It's not
neurological condition is. It's not good, right?
good, right? >> I mean, I don't want to speak out of
>> I mean, I don't want to speak out of turn about his uh his health, but it's
turn about his uh his health, but it's not good.
not good. >> Um but
>> Um but Dom, they they booed Dom. They were just
Dom, they they booed Dom. They were just rough. They wanted you to fail. And Bill
rough. They wanted you to fail. And Bill went up and go, "Fuck you." You know,
went up and go, "Fuck you." You know, and he just went into this crazy.
and he just went into this crazy. >> You know who else had a moment like
>> You know who else had a moment like that?
that? >> Who?
>> Who? >> Bernie Mack.
>> Bernie Mack. >> Did he? Oh, on Death Jam. I ain't afraid
>> Did he? Oh, on Death Jam. I ain't afraid of you, [ __ ] Yeah.
of you, [ __ ] Yeah. >> You know, you know how that was? You
>> You know, you know how that was? You know how that was born?
know how that was born? >> Why?
>> Why? >> That first off, Martin Lawrence was the
>> That first off, Martin Lawrence was the host. And that night, everybody was
host. And that night, everybody was taking licks, right?
taking licks, right? >> And there was another It was a comic
>> And there was another It was a comic from DC named Butch Burns, right? He was
from DC named Butch Burns, right? He was very popular in DC. Butch Burns went on
very popular in DC. Butch Burns went on stage and bombed so bad. [ __ ]
stage and bombed so bad. [ __ ] throwing [ __ ] There was nothing that
throwing [ __ ] There was nothing that Martin could do. You know how sometimes
Martin could do. You know how sometimes you try and you like just you're on your
you try and you like just you're on your own, right? It's like whoopde-doo,
own, right? It's like whoopde-doo, right? So, Butch Burns had bombed. The
right? So, Butch Burns had bombed. The room was going crazy. Barton couldn't do
room was going crazy. Barton couldn't do anything. Next on deck was [ __ ] uh
anything. Next on deck was [ __ ] uh Bernie Mack. Bernie Mack saw uh Butch
Bernie Mack. Bernie Mack saw uh Butch Burns on the way out and he told him, he
Burns on the way out and he told him, he was like, "Listen, man. Hold your head
was like, "Listen, man. Hold your head up, man." He said, "The sun might not
up, man." He said, "The sun might not shine on your day, but it's get you'll
shine on your day, but it's get you'll have another opportunity to shine." And
have another opportunity to shine." And the reason he didn't plan on I ain't
the reason he didn't plan on I ain't scared of you [ __ ] And then um
scared of you [ __ ] And then um Bernie had a situation to go through
Bernie had a situation to go through because Bernie was on Death Jam before
because Bernie was on Death Jam before he dressed in a suit and everything. He
he dressed in a suit and everything. He was looking like a Chicago player, but
was looking like a Chicago player, but he didn't think that he connected with a
he didn't think that he connected with a young audience like that. So if you even
young audience like that. So if you even watch the way he was dressed from the
watch the way he was dressed from the previous show to the next one,
previous show to the next one, >> the next one he had more of a hip
>> the next one he had more of a hip outfit, had graffiti on the jeans. He
outfit, had graffiti on the jeans. He was he was dressed up for that part of
was he was dressed up for that part of it.
it. >> No idea. I ain't skinny [ __ ]
>> No idea. I ain't skinny [ __ ] He did have the um energy that he was
He did have the um energy that he was going to do, the connection he was going
going to do, the connection he was going to have with the DJ, right? But what
to have with the DJ, right? But what made it so explosive is that he said,
made it so explosive is that he said, "Fuck y'all."
"Fuck y'all." >> He said he did his joke and then that's
>> He said he did his joke and then that's why you hear like I Why was he saying I
why you hear like I Why was he saying I ain't scared of you [ __ ]
ain't scared of you [ __ ] right?
right? >> It was because of the other [ __ ] He
>> It was because of the other [ __ ] He said, "I ain't scared of you
said, "I ain't scared of you motherfuckers."
motherfuckers." >> Kick it.
>> Kick it. >> Boom boom boom. But he say what he say?
>> Boom boom boom. But he say what he say? Um he and it was such the most simple
Um he and it was such the most simple stock jokes but the
stock jokes but the >> So powerful. So powerful.
>> So powerful. So powerful. >> So powerful.
>> So powerful. >> The rhythm that he had and the fact that
>> The rhythm that he had and the fact that you knew that something was special
you knew that something was special would happen. That's why that [ __ ]
would happen. That's why that [ __ ] audience looked was so [ __ ] charged
audience looked was so [ __ ] charged up because he said, "Fuck y'all."
up because he said, "Fuck y'all." >> I saw Bernie live once at the Comedy
>> I saw Bernie live once at the Comedy Connection in Faniel Hall in Boston.
Connection in Faniel Hall in Boston. >> I remember that club.
>> I remember that club. >> He was on fire. He was so powerful.
>> He was on fire. He was so powerful. >> First time I saw him at uh Comedy
>> First time I saw him at uh Comedy Connection at Green Belt. I used to do
Connection at Green Belt. I used to do this club and it was a couple of people
this club and it was a couple of people that come through and I was like these
that come through and I was like these [ __ ] on the next level. It was
[ __ ] on the next level. It was him. Another person that was like that
him. Another person that was like that was George Wallace.
was George Wallace. >> Oh yeah.
>> Oh yeah. >> You know another person that was like
>> You know another person that was like that? Rich Voss.
that? Rich Voss. >> Oh yeah. Yo George Wallace. First off I
>> Oh yeah. Yo George Wallace. First off I do George Wallace on the next level.
do George Wallace on the next level. I've never seen nobody go to the comedy
I've never seen nobody go to the comedy club and the deal he had was 100% of the
club and the deal he had was 100% of the door.
door. >> Everything. You just get your drinks and
>> Everything. You just get your drinks and your chicken wings 100% door. They had
your chicken wings 100% door. They had to give it to him.
to give it to him. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> Um and and George Wallace he was old.
>> Um and and George Wallace he was old. George Wallace always been an older
George Wallace always been an older dude, right?
dude, right? >> Somebody said, you know, his thing is
>> Somebody said, you know, his thing is your mama jokes, right? Somebody had did
your mama jokes, right? Somebody had did a mama joke and [ __ ] George
a mama joke and [ __ ] George Wallace ripped off about 30 mama jokes.
Wallace ripped off about 30 mama jokes. I felt so bad for him. And then Rich
I felt so bad for him. And then Rich Voss [ __ ] Rich Voss [ __ ] me up
Voss [ __ ] Rich Voss [ __ ] me up because I never seen a white comedian
because I never seen a white comedian perform at this club. It was a black
perform at this club. It was a black club. Rich Voss came in here. He had a
club. Rich Voss came in here. He had a ponytail similar to Jamie's, right?
ponytail similar to Jamie's, right? >> Jerry Curls. No, Rich Voss had a
>> Jerry Curls. No, Rich Voss had a ponytail, the same one that Jamie was
ponytail, the same one that Jamie was wearing when I Right. the It was Rich
wearing when I Right. the It was Rich Bosses, right? And I saw Rich Boss go up
Bosses, right? And I saw Rich Boss go up there and destroy his crap. I was like,
there and destroy his crap. I was like, "This white dude don't know what's going
"This white dude don't know what's going to [ __ ] killed that shit." I I had
to [ __ ] killed that shit." I I had to, you know, when we talk about joke
to, you know, when we talk about joke stealing, right? I've never I stole one
stealing, right? I've never I stole one joke in my life and I apologized to Rich
joke in my life and I apologized to Rich Foss. I was doing a show and none of my
Foss. I was doing a show and none of my jokes worked. I tried. Yo, I tried
jokes worked. I tried. Yo, I tried everything. I tried everything. And I
everything. I tried everything. And I said to myself, what joke have you
said to myself, what joke have you heard? I didn't mean to steal, right? I
heard? I didn't mean to steal, right? I borrowed it. Okay. I said, "What one
borrowed it. Okay. I said, "What one joke you know that [ __ ] will kill this
joke you know that [ __ ] will kill this audience?" And Rich Fost used to have
audience?" And Rich Fost used to have this joke. He said, "You know what they
this joke. He said, "You know what they say, once you go black, you never go
say, once you go black, you never go back." He said, "Yeah, cuz your father
back." He said, "Yeah, cuz your father won't let you back in the house." Right?
won't let you back in the house." Right? I stole that joke. I got him laugh. I
I stole that joke. I got him laugh. I got him back on track. And then I had to
got him back on track. And then I had to call Voss. I said, "Man, I'm so sorry,
call Voss. I said, "Man, I'm so sorry, bro."
bro." I said, "It's gonna get back to you."
I said, "It's gonna get back to you." But I stole the joke. He was like, "No,
But I stole the joke. He was like, "No, no, no problem with it."
no, no problem with it." >> Well, at least you admitted it.
>> Well, at least you admitted it. >> Yeah, I did.
>> Yeah, I did. >> All right. I think we we accomplished a
>> All right. I think we we accomplished a lot.
lot. >> This was therapy for me.
>> This was therapy for me. >> I think it was good for you. Stay out of
>> I think it was good for you. Stay out of the comments.
the comments. >> I'm going to stay out of the comments.
>> I'm going to stay out of the comments. You
You >> remember that podcast we did with Resza?
>> remember that podcast we did with Resza? >> NO, DON'T DO THAT. THEY STILL talk [ __ ]
>> NO, DON'T DO THAT. THEY STILL talk [ __ ] to me.
to me. >> I grabbed you at the end of the podcast.
>> I grabbed you at the end of the podcast. I said that was great. Don't read the
I said that was great. Don't read the gobz.
gobz. >> Don't read. Exactly.
>> Don't read. Exactly. >> That was a long time ago. I've been
>> That was a long time ago. I've been giving you that advice for a long time.
giving you that advice for a long time. >> You did tell me don't. But but the part
>> You did tell me don't. But but the part of that story people don't know is that
of that story people don't know is that I did my podcast early. I hadn't seen my
I did my podcast early. I hadn't seen my son like two and a half weeks. I was on
son like two and a half weeks. I was on a road and I I I came straight there
a road and I I I came straight there straight to the podcast to do it, right?
straight to the podcast to do it, right? And then um uh I was like you was like,
And then um uh I was like you was like, "Yo, you want to hang out?" This is what
"Yo, you want to hang out?" This is what people don't know. This is the side you
people don't know. This is the side you don't tell them. You invited me. You
don't tell them. You invited me. You invited me. I did invite you. You did it
invited me. I did invite you. You did it by You said, "Yo, I thought it'd be
by You said, "Yo, I thought it'd be fun."
fun." >> You said the RZ's going to come, right?
>> You said the RZ's going to come, right? >> Well, we were having a good time. We had
>> Well, we were having a good time. We had did a podcast together. We were hanging
did a podcast together. We were hanging out and I said, "Are you going anywhere?
out and I said, "Are you going anywhere? You want to I'm doing a podcast with
You want to I'm doing a podcast with Rizzenex next. You want to hop on?"
Rizzenex next. You want to hop on?" >> I thought it would be fun.
>> I thought it would be fun. >> I thought it would be fun, but
>> I thought it would be fun, but >> it was it was fun.
>> it was it was fun. >> I would like to tell my side of the
>> I would like to tell my side of the story.
story. >> We already did. We've talked this. We've
>> We already did. We've talked this. We've done this many times.
done this many times. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> I think like every other podcast we do,
>> I think like every other podcast we do, you tell your side of the story.
you tell your side of the story. >> I'm never going to I'm never going to
>> I'm never going to I'm never going to say this again, Joe. I was going to
say this again, Joe. I was going to leave and I was like I was like man [ __ ]
leave and I was like I was like man [ __ ] Wu Tang man I'm going to see my son
Wu Tang man I'm going to see my son right and I'm leaving out and soon as I
right and I'm leaving out and soon as I get ready to get in my car uh the Rizza
get ready to get in my car uh the Rizza comes out and this [ __ ] said
comes out and this [ __ ] said what's up Ashy Larry and I said [ __ ] my
what's up Ashy Larry and I said [ __ ] my son I'm [ __ ] with the Wuang right
son I'm [ __ ] with the Wuang right >> and I didn't but it was a good time it
>> and I didn't but it was a good time it was fun
was fun >> but what people don't understand is
>> but what people don't understand is before we did that Rizza said yo yo bang
before we did that Rizza said yo yo bang bang bang I got this idea right I said
bang bang I got this idea right I said what he said I'm going to do these jokes
what he said I'm going to do these jokes they going to be He was trying to pitch
they going to be He was trying to pitch jokes like he was on the joke and I was
jokes like he was on the joke and I was like, "Please don't do that." Right?
like, "Please don't do that." Right? >> I was like, "Please don't do that." And
>> I was like, "Please don't do that." And we sat down and of course it went I had
we sat down and of course it went I had a good time. But people's like, "Just
a good time. But people's like, "Just you just ruined it. You ruined it for
you just ruined it. You ruined it for the You just ruined it." But shout out
the You just ruined it." But shout out to it.
to it. >> It was fun.
>> It was fun. >> And thanks for whenever I call you. Let
>> And thanks for whenever I call you. Let me uh um I can't even tell people
me uh um I can't even tell people anything other than Yes, I'm on tour. Go
anything other than Yes, I'm on tour. Go to donins.com. Get tour dates.
to donins.com. Get tour dates. >> All right. All right. And here's my
>> All right. All right. And here's my here's my [ __ ] A joke could be too
here's my [ __ ] A joke could be too soon, but it never could be too soon for
soon, but it never could be too soon for a funny observation. And that's what
a funny observation. And that's what you're going to get when you come to my
you're going to get when you come to my show.
show. >> All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate
>> All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you, brother.
you, brother. >> I'm taking this gum with me. Jamie, stay
>> I'm taking this gum with me. Jamie, stay sexy, sir.
sexy, sir. >> Stay sexy. Bye, everybody.
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