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Behavioral Expert Chase Hughes on The Art of Influence: From Military Intelligence to Mind Mastery

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I want to talk Sops okay how easily we

are sucked into particular narratives

and why well let's talk about our brains

first most people they believe that

they're going to know it when they see

it those are the most suggestible people

I'm number one Behavior guy in the world

voted from some people and my mom most

importantly teach the stuff for living

and I'm terrified of that's how powerful

it is when it comes to Sops you're not

thinking about human brain you want to

control a mammal brain and there's four

things that take control and it spells

out the word fate Focus Authority tribe

and emotion if I use those four things I

can control a dog I can train a dolphin

or I can control an entire population of

human beings digestability is fluid it

is not a fixed trait and here's the

final scary part here what you'll see

also especially in news bad news joke or

good news bad news joke or good news and

right on this little high point right as

they start pulling you down your brain

has a lot of expectancy boom commercial

now you're more like to buy product more

likely to give money to advertisers this

is the preschool level of this St

everything revolves around PCP if you

just remember that you're going to start

seeing this everywhere if I can modify

your perception like hypnosis

automatically I can shift your context

and if I can shift your context then I

can give you permission in your own head

to do anything I want you to do

perception context and permission if you

want to get good at spotting SS [Music]

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I don't normally do this like read a a

bit of like an intro usually just kind

of drop in but like I think in your case

it just I really want to give people

just like kind of land them with just

part of who you are and we're going to

get into so much stuff that okay I'm bum

we don't have all day but your be back

okay so Chase Hughes is an expert in

behavioral analysis and psychological

operations scops people have heard that

a lot hopefully

recently uh with a unique background in

the US Military and intelligence

agencies he has specialized in

non-verbal communication deception

detection and human behavior influence

working in high stakes environments like

interrogations hostage negotiations and

counter terrorism Chase developed the

behavioral table of elements a system

used to predict and influen behavior and

has trained military personnel law

enforcement and intelligence agencies

Beyond his work with the government he

applies these techniques to business

leadership personal development helping

individuals like myself improve

communication persuasion and decision

making I mean that's pretty that's

pretty good intro right that's a very

good intro I mean that was like I went

in and I said hey like these are some

things chat GPT like give me something

Dynamite for this intro wow it's so easy

that's really good I didn't have to

write that you know because I get I'm

not like you which I'm we're gonna jump

into this right now the temporal lobe

epilepsy in this you being a PL prolific

writer yeah like that's I'm the opposite

of that what's what with it non prolific

writer a prolific I don't know yeah um

those go together though epilepsy and

writing how so there is a thing like if

you have temperal lob epilepsy it kind

of comes with a a mandatory side dish of

something called

hypergraphia where somebody will be

compelled to write and it's usually

writing by hand and all of my books even

the giant books that I've written are I

write in pencil first pencil and

paper and is that just the flow of how

it comes out and it's just you can just

go yeah and I can write anywhere and if

I use a pencil I can write upside down I

can put the lay it sideways you never

have to worry about gravity right but

there's a huge belief out there a lot of

scientists A lot of neurologists believe

that elron hubard had temporal Lo

epilepsy and that's why he just that

dude cranked out books like no one's

ever done correct yeah yeah just cranked

out [ __ ] like he's pumping out these

document after document like governing

documents of Scientology and these alien

books and stuff that he's writing

he never stopped writing until he died

and it it's very much believed that he

had temporal epilepsy and other people

like Picasso uh van go and a lot of the

writers from back in the day him way was

rumored to have temporal o epilepsy it's

a terrifying disease though yeah so I

want to get into that before we do

so I'm just trying to piece it together

because the stuff that you're writing I

haven't read really any of elron hub's but

but

like you have to have some certain level

of Competency intelligence whatever you

want to call it so or do you have to you

could be writing just [ __ ] you just

need to write like what is how does that

work have you met people that maybe

don't put out these beautiful you know

kind of TOS yeah I met a guy with tempal

lbl he once in a support

group and he was not schizophrenic but

if you read his notebook it's it looks

like wild schizophrenia just exploded on

this page like alien spacecrafts then

automatic then like drawing a line

somehow mentally to vitamin K and how

Vitamin K is related to Antarctica and

there's lasers coming out like it just

there's no way to follow it so it's like

this morning papers you know you heard

of that kind of practice or just kind of

writing whatever comes to mind yeah so I

think a lot of epilep temporal lob

epileptics uh will do that and it's

specific to the temporal lobe epilepsy

instead of the normal epilepsy that

people are really familiar with like

somebody shaking on the floor during a seizure

seizure

when did you discover that you had

this I had I had seizures for two

straight years so with the temporal lob

seizure you're just kind of like like

that kind of head to the side just kind

of out of it you lose all muscle control

everything and you're drooling and it

lasts about a minute and a half so can't

say a word you're just you can't ask for

help nothing and that that comes with a

side of amnesia every time you have a

seizure it really screws up your memory

and so my family had seen me going into

these little episodes for a while and

they knew I was at the time uh about to

finish a cert a postgraduate

certification in neuroscience and

neuroendocrinology so they figured oh if

Chase is having a seizure he's going to

know he he'll go to the doctor if

something is wrong so I never did go to

the doctor so they were like oh yeah

must be fine

I didn't know I was having the seizure

until it was recorded on a video just

shooting for our uh YouTube channel

called the behavior panel where it's me

and three other behavior profilers and I

got a I got a seizure recorded and I

watched it back on camera and I said I

have temporal Lo epilepsy that second I

was able to diagnose that it was clear

as day so I went saw a

neurologist and that the the

prescription that I was offered the

it's unbelievable like it's unbelievable

that that's a that's that exists it's

2024 at the time and that exists and so

I thought I'm obviously not going to do

this I threw the pills in the trash and

went to go see a a couple of Specialists

and I'm very lucky Dr Phil is a good

friend of mine and he sent me to one of

his friends who's Dr Brad boore to go

get brain scans and all this stuff so I

got so much help and I finally found a

one of our mutual friends Dr John Lance

love him yeah and that was it I I

started taking methene blue and uh kind

of combining that with a couple other

supplements like high do extremely high

dose melatonin 200 milligrams of

melatonin and then uh a micro doing

every few days of psilocybin M

and it sucked because I mean you're

traveling you have to go to a place

where this is legal obviously but um

within four hours I had stopped having

seizures and I have not had one seizure

since and I was at a point of having

eight to nine seizures a day and when I

dropped my wife off in at Labor and

Delivery parked the car went back in

there I had no idea idea who she was I

didn't know who my wife was and I was

walking her in and I knew just from this

happening so much over the last two

years I knew like I'm just going to

pretend as long as I can obviously she's

a friend she's a family member oh my God

I'm just going to pretend I took selfies

with her walking into labor and delivery

giving birth to our daughter and I

didn't know who she was so 15 25 minutes

go by bam everything comes back I'm like

oh my God that's my wife that's my child

about to be born so that was the biggest

and my daughter's 14 months old now so

this was pretty recently I was I was

going downhill like at a th000 miles an

hour as fast as you can go downhill and

I think I've reversed everything that's

go that's gone on in my brain and I have

completely stopped all the temporal L

epilepsy symptoms okay so that sounds

terrifying like and I've heard you talk

before um you kind of don't know what's

real what's not yeah like that

experience it's like uh maybe it's it's

just a bunch of weird crap in your brain

maybe it's some kind of past lives that

are coming in I don't know and I think

the more certain somebody is that

they've got [ __ ] figured out the more

suspicious I am right there with you we

don't know a [ __ ] thing we know

nothing no we know our own experience

and even that is called into question

yeah it is and

I was talking to somebody yesterday who

thought maybe the Earth was flat and I

thought I said the question you might

need to ask first is is the Earth

real like is it even real but during a

seizure that's a whole other podcast by

the way and I had I had the same similar

conversation with someone because like

your friend I am a globe skeptic just

not yeah I'm not sure the math doesn't

seem to add up and I was sharing this

with a friend who um I said like kind of

where do you sit with this he's

like I think that both could be real

it's just like what do you like not just

like what do you believe but like what

do you like what is the collective what

like it to your point what is what are

we even talking about like we we think

we know and and now I see where that

ties into the more certain I am that

it's one or the other like I really

don't know like can I just be like super

curious and allow for all possib ities

yeah and I think too often there these

people that are experts don't really

realize that I don't know is sometimes

the most intellectually Superior answer

that you can give than just saying we

have no clue like we're not we don't

haven't gotten anything figured out we

know 1% maybe less about the human brain

that there is to figure out we don't

even know where memories are

stored after all this time wow so and

speaking of memory to go back to your

question I like a temporal Lo seizure is

like a minute 90 seconds and during that

during this tempor lob seizure I am

almost like channel surfing through

lives that I'm in not in this body for

most of

them and just filing through all of

these memories so in that one and a half

minutes I have what I would estimate to

be about three years of memories that

have just got jammed into my

brain three

years so the moment I come out of one

seizure it takes me two to three weeks

to figure out what's real and what part

of which part of my life is real I spent

two weeks one time I have a Belgian

Malinois dog that I thought was fake I

thought my dog was fake um so it's you

don't know all of those memories are in

the same file cabinets

during the seizure as your normal life

so it's like someone went down there and

put fake memories all throughout every

memory file and it's it takes weeks to

go through and and just like you stop

for a second and be like wait was I on a

cruise ship three weeks ago no I didn't

do that it's like there's these weird

things that just keep coming up and it

is it's suffocating because you'll be in

a conversation with somebody that's

talking about bills and you're wondering

like did I actually jump out of a plane

yesterday like these hundreds and

hundreds and hundreds of memories that

you're trying to compete with while

somebody else is like yeah we need to go

to the grocery store later and I'm like

wrestling with reality trying to hide it

trying to pretend like everything's cool

it's a such a weird

disease so there's like part of it that

is it's like there's like almost like a

psychedelic component to it very much

except that like on that well I would

even argue actually on that psychedelic

Journey you know like iasa you know that

the the experience I had over a couple

of nights was I didn't know what was

real I thought like i' had been brought

to that place and the people I I was

never going to see them again like I was

in this Loop and it

was the most terrifying thing I'd ever

experienced and it's what I needed to

experience to be able to have a

different experience the next night

and so it's similar in that regard

except that that's a choice in some ways

that I made to you know to to drink the

tea although in the experience I forgot

that I even made that choice I forgot I

didn't even know like I was a thing I it

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uh just like almost like I was in CGI land

land

and in some sort of other codes which

again we don't need to get into that

like I want want to stay here with you

have you seen the DMT experiment with

the laser on I have seen it on Instagram

and I heard you and Danny talking about

it so you've done it yeah I saw it on

Instagram and flew Danny to my house

right away like break this down for

people because it got shared amongst my

group and it's like what the [ __ ]

exactly and that's the only question

you're still going to have after you see

it like but it doesn't answer any

questions it just invites a lot more

yeah nothing else and it was it's funny

that uh the people who haven't done it

yet are the most certain about what it

is that have no idea what they're

talking about they've never seen it but

they know they're G to I'll explain this

to you let me explain it

yeah let me educate you yes perfect oh

and I've got an idea for you too let me

teach you how to do it differently

they've never done it so I flew Danny

out and there's there's code absolutely

there is code and it's the if you have

three people there they're all seeing

the same letters no [ __ ] so they can all

write it down no [ __ ] it's so the

codee's not like spinning there it's

like it's literally kind of written out

static it's static so where the laser

is it's kind of like shining a

flashlight okay so let's just break it

down for people you

how set up the the environment for

people so you've got you got DMT you're

in a DMT where wherever it's legal to

do and there's like a a diffused laser

on the wall and the laser is like maybe

that thick so inch inch and a half inch

and a half yeah and if I shine the laser

on the wall it's like if you imagine

this room being pitch dark right now we

can't you can't see your hand in front

of your face right and I have a tiny

flashlight and this wall behind us is

covered in little

letters as I move that flashlight up

you're going to see different letters oh

as I move it down you're going to see

the letters below it so you can do this

I can move the laser up and down and see

all of the letters but it's like

three-dimensional so I can get close to

the wall I can look down inside of the

laser that way and I can look up in the

laser that way yep and then it's like I

would say it's 4 in behind the wall is

is where the numbers are the

characters it's not on on the flat wall

it's behind so you can see through the

wall so to speak you can kind of look

down up inside of the wall yeah cuz I

noticed yeah like their heads were moving

moving

around what's your best guess at explaining

explaining

that I would be a fool okay I love we

can just leave it at that maybe it's a

universal cont ious that we're

projecting something on to it but if you

look at every near-death experience and

we're going off the deep end here with

on our topics but yeah I'm going to add

something to it when you're done if you

look at every near-death

simulation like like can you explain

that for people so they like your idea

of what a simulation is yeah we don't

know if it's digital we don't know if

it's physical we don't know if it's

spiritual Quantum whatever who knows but

like if you just listen to everybody

that's ever had like a near-death

experience there's another level almost

like they volunteered to play Avatar or

some kind of video game and we just like

we become a ghost somewhere and this

ghost decides to ride around in a meat

suit for a little while and it's like

99% of them are saying that so maybe

this is some creation that we made in

some other realm or something like that

that's what it felt like to me when I

was doing it and

that's please remember for everybody

listening I am grossly unqualified to

say I've got this [ __ ] figured out so

you're not saying that at all yeah again

back with I would say more so with my

iasa experience and maybe some mushroom

Journeys like I had that sense of

not quite being in a meat suit but but

being in some I was in some digital

realm the room was Pitch

Black and I looked down at like my my I

was sitting up I was looking down at my

kind of lap and my hands in my arms I

could see clear as day but they were

they were almost like an avatar type

thing it was like how the [ __ ] can I

it's it's Pitch Black in here and I

could I put them in front of my face and

I could see them and I was

just I was it was another reminder that I

don't I have access so little of what

this space is yeah what I was going to

add just to like throw another thing on

there that I'm not going to complete but

I'll just leave people with this is I

had a spent some time with a close

friend yesterday who's been on a Journey

throughout the world of going to these

different sacred sites and these

different nodes of the earth and he saw a

Healer we've all heard that term healer

like this is like an OG healer and I

just for the sake of like I'll be very

vague about

where but this healer took him to this

cave and in this cave are these Hermits

physically or in a in a literally in a

cave they went to a cave yes great

question physical spot and there are the

largest collection of Hermits people

that are Hermits and they are holding

down the energy of the earth each of

them holds something different down if

you have an illness you see this hermit

if you want Financial abundance you see

this hermit if

you whatever is needed if you want to

connect to your higher self and bridge

that gap of what your ego with your soul

and like live there like you see this

hermit it's just the most fascinating

like just that alone and these guys are

breatharians they don't eat they they

they are there until they ascend like

they are just in there on their breath

it's a thing I need to go to this bik

yes we do we do yes we do it blew my

mind and he said uh he collects water my

friend does and he asked the the Healer

if he could collect some water from this

cave he said absolutely so they get

there and there's barely any water cuz

it hadn't rained um and you know it

comes down through the cave but they

hadn't had rain and and so he's like can

I take some water now because there's

not going to be there's not there's

basically enough for his vial he said he

said no we need to do a blessing first

with the water and so they do and he's

thinking oh that's going to use all the

water up so they do the blessing and do

the thing and he says give me your give

me your vial he go goes down he puts the

vial uh down where the water was and he

water

wow he goes to his

hermit says you know he's going I forget

exactly what he was going for and we'll

just leave it at that but he grabs the

offering were a bunch of flower pedals

he grabs them holds them to his

chest says his prayer does his

thing in in his hand is a

crystal just

materialized from

flowers wow so to your point we don't

know what like in there's

healers they're they're the ones who can

see beyond like this Matrix world that

that we're very much conditioned to so

and you know what I think

if you could take a human being and show

them everything show them the reality of

the world what it's made of that what

was before the Big Bang where we come

from all the spirit world all of that

and then brought them back to Earth they

can't explain it our language is not

capable of communicating that even if

they knew the truth you just can't say

it like it's it our language isn't made

for that yeah I think that's that's well

said that's it like it's what people

talk about right in the medicine

ceremony it's ineffable I unless you've

been in that space then we can we can

kind of get there together yeah but if

you've never been in that space I've got

no chance of describing what I

experienced yeah that's it right that's

the only only way we can really connect

on it if we both visited some other

realm yeah we can't talk I can't

describe it no to anybody it's so

true we need to go to that we cave we

need to make a video of going to this

cave I need to do this

yes okay I want to talk

scops okay because it has it's been in the

the

Zeitgeist currently yeah

and I wasn't familiar with it up until a

couple years ago even and I think for a

lot of people it's even been within

since the fall with like everybody

talking you know Sean Ryan's doing a lot

of work with this Ops and whatnot and

so you have a

unique uh connection to the scop world

and so I I just I'm so curious about

just unpacking this this in a way that

people can kind of wrap their head

around what what is how

easily we are sucked into particular

narratives and why and what's who's

doing it why are they doing it

is it all malevolent is some of it

benevolent you know the whole kitten

Kaboodle well let's talk about our

brains first so most people live their

life as though they have some kind of

firewall or antivirus system in their

own brain and they believe that they're

not maybe not fully immune but they

believe that they're going to know it

when they see it I'm going to know scops

when I see it I'm going to know that

manipulation when I see it

those are the most

suggestible people they're the easiest

to manipulate so like if you go out to

if to Best Buy today and you picked up a

new Windows

computer um and I was like hey man you

should download that maffy antivirus

program you're like N I don't believe in viruses

viruses

bro that's the same thing with our brain

we're not alert to it because we believe

that we're immune so so it's a fallacy

that like I I have a 60-second screen

time limit on social

media I'm I'm number one Behavior guy in

the world voted from some people and my

mom also says that yeah most importantly

yeah and uh I I'm

terrified I'm I teach the stuff for a

living and I'm terrified of that's how

powerful it is the human brain versus a

one trillion computer you're not going

to win and the number one thing that I

could say to start to kick off this

scops thing is technology has outpaced

the human brain's ability to adapt to

it and it continues to go

logarithmically right yeah and our

brains have not changed in 200,000 years

so we are at this level where it is an

unbelievable and I'm not just talking

about social media I'm talking about all

kinds of stuff mhm but we're at this

modern time

where the human brain can be hacked so

easily I teach brain hacking that's kind

of what I do um from sales teams to

sciops it's the same thing it's just a

human brain so scops really gets its

start by the

way I know you realize this but I don't

know if everybody realize how much of a

mind [ __ ] it is that you who said that

if you think you can spot a sigh off

like you are the most suggestible like

all of those people myself includer like

that's a [ __ ] s up like it's like oh

it's it's such a that just put me into a

pretzel I'm say holy [ __ ] no no no I

think you will you are able to spot them

but when you hear a person that says

they they I can't be persuaded I can't

be in I'm immune to that stuff yeah I'm

not immune to it okay that's where it

gets dangerous got it like the guy like

bro I don't believe in vir computer

viruses I won't get

infected um so it's it when it comes to

Sops you want to control a mammal brain

you're not you're not thinking about

human brain here the mamalian brain

makes all of your choices all of your

decisions and it is absolutely in charge

so like if somebody says well no the

human I'm the human brain's bigger the

neocortex is way bigger

well go ahead and hold your breath until

you die you can't you can't will your

way out of this mamalian part of our

brain taking over and this is our lyic

system the emotional regulatory part of

our brain going back into the brain

stem and the the if you just think of it

as how how do I take control of a dog

it's the same thing that take control of

a human same thing for a horse or an

animal any mammal and there's four

things that take control control of the

mamalian part of the human brain and it

spells out the word fate f a t according

to me anyway and that's Focus Authority

tribe and

emotion if I use those four things I can

control a dog I can I can train a

dolphin I could teach a killer whale at

SeaWorld to jump through a hoop or

whatever or I can control an entire

population of human beings or one human

if I just G gain control of focus

trigger their uh an ancestral response

to Authority trigger the their thinking

that the tribe is all doing the same

thing that they are and this is the

expected response of a tribe and then

trigger an emotional reaction and I'm

done you have full control of a human being

being

so a lot of what scops are designed to

do most people talk about Sops but I

think um brainwashing falls into this

influence and persuasion are also part

of this that are out side of the scop so

scops typically have an aim of getting a

population to become more suggestive and

destroying apathy or I'm sorry in

instilling apathy and destroying outrage

so high apathy very low outrage so if I

can show you things all day long that

make you upset that make you pissed off

soon enough you're going to be like I

can't do this anymore like here's

another thing that's pissing me off no

I'm not I'm just GNA flip to the next

video mhm so it's an engineered

destruction of outrage and it's an

engineered installation of apathy that's

step one then the next step is called

PDS and that is pacify distract and

sedate in that

order so this is to where I want you I'm

going to engineer a culture of

loneliness and then offer up all kinds

of anesthetic

geez we've never seen that happen right

yeah [ __ ] so here's one thing that I I

would tell my kids growing up and that

is if a product doesn't tell you the

problem that they're trying to solve you

need to be terrified

terrified

terrified give me an example Facebook

Instagram even more than that look at

the the VR goggles that all these

companies have right

now where do they tell you the problem they're

they're

solving because you look at Amazon

there's like we're going to get [ __ ] to

you faster we're going to get it to your

house we're going to get it overnight

returns are really easy you want that

shirt I'll have it to you tomorrow all

of the problems are very clear and

delineated what they're solving yeah you

go look at Apple Vision Pro you go look

at this Facebook uh

goggles and try to find where they tell

you what problem they're solving they

don't because it's loneliness

wow and and it's becoming an anesthetic

for dissatisfaction with

life so that's step one that's pacify

okay step two

distract so with distraction we're going to

engineer uh during and you always want

to pay attention to timing is there a

politician getting something revealed

that needs to happen or is is there an

election coming up or is there a

transition of power happening and then

distractions could be uh gas leaks at a

factory somewhere a train crashing and

shooting smoke up into the air just

hypothetically yeah yeah yeah or maybe a

helicopter running into a plane

hypothetically um and I'm not saying any

of that's engineered maybe those are

accidents um but the timing and context

make it very suspicious because there's

other things going on the drones in New

Jersey and all of this other stuff

um so anytime you see anything that

looks like it might be a distraction

look at the timing like what's going on

on page four of the news not just the

front page but what's on page four uh

because they're G assuming they report

whatever it is there will bury that

stuff yeah and then sedate is the final

one so the sedation agenda becomes

overloading and

overflowing everybody with information

and then using this tool that they

actually invented uh for hypnosis for

clinical hypnosis called fractionation

and fractionation is where I take your

emotions way up then I pull your

emotions down I take you in a high state

of emotion and then down again and every

time I bring you down you get more

suggestible so uh you can think of this

in terms of if you look over the last

year our society had these little high

points and low high and low and every

low gets a little bit lower than the

last low we become more suggestible and

more suggestible and more compliant and

this has been demonstrated in study

after study after study that we the more

compliant we are we will just blindly

follow a tribe we will ignore facts we

will agree to things that are absolutely

stupid because we've become it's

engineered suggestibility is what it is

so with the sedate system oh I'm kind of

losing track of uh what I'm talking

about here but we're constantly

bombarding this emotional regulation so

in hypnosis I would put you into a

trance and then wake you up just very

briefly so I might say in a moment I'll

count from 1 to 5 you're going to your

awareness of the room is coming back

you're more aware of the sound of my

voice you're finally back in this chair

here just aware the weight of your body

waking up just enough to open your eyes

now open your eyes great and sleep all

the way down back again so like we'll do

this little up and down partially wake

you up and then every time you go into

hypnosis again you're going way deeper

oh which means it's super effective when

you're trying to help someone yes very

effective yeah so two things are

happening in that state number one your

brain is going into the Theta wave state

so it's around uh maybe four to seven

Hertz uh of neural oscillations or what

they call brain waves outside of

Neuroscience and the second thing that's

happening is your brain every time

you're kind of going down into like a

like that hypnotic State and you're

actually using real hypnosis the brain

is flooded with this neurotransmitter

called Gaba and Gaba stands for GMA

aminobutyric acid and it is the brain's

number one inhibitory neurotransmitter

it's like the resident assistant in

college that's walking around telling

everybody to turn the music down so it's

just it's like calming everything in the

brain so Gaba is our safety chemical it

makes us feel safe so that's that's

basically what all hypnosis is Theta

brain wave state increase levels of gapa

uh and if you want to get super

scientific there's something called homo

vanilic acid that we also see a spike in

but that's only if you suck some

cerebral spinal fluid out during a

lumbar puncture and measure that but

those things are happening uh in a

clinical hypnosis setting but they're

happening in Mass they're

happening to populations at a on a mass

scale and it is clear as day that it's

being done what's being obfuscated is

the end result the desired goal of these

people and what they want to do with

everything are they doing some of this

let's call it hypnosis through um

through the

news when I

see I would say my friends that still

watch the news there aren't many of them

but they're they are the most

suggestible like they're not paying

attention to any of the the signs that

are out there maybe yeah okay and if you

watch the news again um you'll hear

let's let's just take a a talk show for

example and any talk show would apply

I'm just using this as an example let's

take John

Oliver Last Week Tonight I think is the

name of the

show uh there will be a strange fact

that is very hard to back up or has a

lot of stuff where you could argue

against it really weird bizarre fact or

something said to make you feel like you

hate someone or someone's stupid someone

did something bad and before you can

logically process it there's a joke

immediately and to get you to not

process that fact now you're hearing the

entire audience laugh so that's

triggering your tribal

response of oh that line was funny

because there's 150 people laughing it's

triggering this animal response in our

brain to automatically accept this

information oh yes and that's just one

example I could go through a whole show

and show you a hundred other hypnotic

techniques and brain hacking techniques

that are being used in all these shows

and so these writers understand this

kind of Playbook or like how like what

what would your best guess be around

that because I that is clear as day like

it's it doesn't matter if I agree with

what they're saying or not like it is

that is the formula I get it yeah so

it's controversial

statement misdirection tribal

involvement h so it's sometimes the

misdirection is a joke sometimes like

there's something crazy that happens

like you throw a water balloon or

something right after one of these

things that I don't want you to

critically think about and that's the

number one thing so the number one that

information is just lodged in your head

and it's like becomes more or less fact

yeah so that's why hypnosis works though

so it the number one goal of hypnosis is

to bypass the brain's critical Factor so

that's what I'm really doing so like

you'll hear uh very commonly you'll hear

hypnotists say stuff like and as you

listen to this voice your conscious mind

might just wander around all on its own

and the part of you that really needs to

hear what we're going to do today can

stay with me while your conscious mind

can drift and think of anything that it

wants to think about so it's bypassing

this little critical part of our brain

that's that's made for saying is this

information good for me is it accurate

should I do this so that's what hypnosis

is and that's exactly what's happening

in all of the these news channels TV

shows all of that when did how did you

pick up on this I've been studying

hypnosis for 26 years I had the for four

years in a four years straight I had the

number one bestselling book in the world in

hypnotherapy so what's the name of that

book The ellipses manual we we're link

to all your your Publications here too

so so what what you'll see also

especially in news is bad news joke or

good news bad news news Joker good news

and right on this little high point boom

you're you're a little more suggestible

but you're ready to kind of go down and

they'll pull you down and right as they

start pulling you down your brain has a

lot of expectancy because you know

you're kind of going down that roller

coaster commercial now you're more

likely to buy products you're more

likely to spend money you're more likely

to give money to

advertisers so fascinating this is this

is the preschool level of this stuff it

goes so deep dude yeah my God but at the

end of the day um I could give you and I

guarantee you this I could give you

three hours of training and you would be

able to manufacture a mentu and

candidate no [ __ ] way I could train

you just for three hours and you could do

it it's not hard uh you find somebody

that's suggestible or you make a person

suggestible so one thing we PE people

need to realize is suggestibility is

fluid it is not a fixed trait it's not

like this guy's this and this this

person's this it's fluid so you can

train a blank slate to be suggested what

you're saying yes okay and here's the

final scary part here um let's say

somebody you always hear hypnotist say

oh you can't be made to do something

that's against your will or something

that you wouldn't normally do you you

can't do that that's not true at all

let's say uh I'm a creepy hypnotist and

I want you to get naked uh here in my

office uh normally we're in my office

you're not going to get naked because

you have rules about that right we have

these little social constructs these

folk ways or what they're called in Clinical

Clinical

Psychology so when do you get are you

going to get naked within the next 24

hours yeah probably going to get into a

shower or something like that so all I

do I put you under hypnosis and say you

just got home from an a nice long drive

you throw your keys in the bowl turn on

the nice hot water the shower's ready

for you and now you're getting in the

shower so how did I manipulate you I changed

changed

context if I can manipulate the way that

you see the context that you're in I can

make you do

anything so if I want to create a mass

shooter I want to create a Manchurian

Candidate there is a context where if

I'm fighting off zombies I shoot every

everyone in the room if I think

everybody's a

zombie if I believe that someone uh

who's holding a a can of beer that can

of beer is actually a hand

grenade that's a context where you might

shoot someone yeah so all a person has

to do is shift context but now we just

talked about this on a one-on-one level

think of it as a

population if I can get that population

to start seeing a different context I

can get them to start taking more

violent action I can get them to protest

I can get them to Riot just because I

modifi the way that they see this

context that's the most scary part when

I'm when am I if if you want to get good

at spotting Sops you get really good at

saying I can see that someone is

Shifting the context here and making me

view something differently and if I can

go on one more tangent that's like 40

long no he goes you get you get the

floor I everything revolves around

PCP if you just remember that you're

going to start seeing this everywhere if

I can modify your

perception the way you see something

like hypnosis I can make you perceive

that you're doing something different

then I can automatically I can shift

your context and if I can shift your

context then I can give you permission

in in your own head to do anything I

want you to do percept ception context

and permission so this is

where you know in the

past um would someone like Siran Siran

fall into this category absolutely yeah

and I did a documentary on my YouTube

channel about about Siran Siran okay I

even drove to the prison uh to interview

Siran and he was unavailable somehow

from my interview people just like a

little kind of snapshot of that of who

he is little back who he is yeah yeah so

Siran San was a Palestinian national um

who it allegedly or was charged with and

convicted of the murder of Senator Bobby

Kennedy and this happened in a hotel

Kitchen in in uh San

Francisco and to this day he says he has

no memory of the event he doesn't

remember pulling out a gun and he was 7

feet in front of Kennedy like

pointing the gun directly at him and

Kennedy's gunshot wounds that killed him

were one in the back of the head that

went up through his head and one like

kind of in the armpit from

behind um and this I mean it's open this

is not some Theory this is just in the documentation

documentation

so uh I believe that someone named Dr

joyn West oh yeah

Jolly uh was involved with with maybe

training the guy who maybe made him do

this but I think that he was made to do

this and I think there was a person with

training that was influencing him to be

at that hotel and to be there with a

gun but I don't I think Siran is

innocent yeah but here's the true the

true Talent is not in hypnosis because I

could teach you I could teach you severe

extreme techniques in like one day you

and I spent one day together I could

but the the true danger is in that

operator let's call him an operator

operative their ability to pick the

perfect Target okay so is he Palestinian

is there a reason that he would be

hateful does he have some kind of

deep-seated anger and resentment toward

them are they highly suggestable to

begin with are they very susceptible to

hypnosis like that's the perfect Target everything's

everything's

perfect um so it it's a lot easier than

you think and if you look at the mgrm

experiment are you familiar with the

milgrim I know the name I'm sure I'll

remember as you as you share it I'm sure

was one of these rabbit holes I've been

in over the last few months it's come

across my desk it's uh Yale University

1962 Dr Stanley

mgram uh they do a study on whether or

not the nurburg trials are kind of going

on MH and that the these nazzis are

saying like I was just following orders

so he's like you know his parents were

Jewish oh dude yes I do remember this so

he's like can we get somebody to just

follow orders yes so in a nutshell for

anybody that doesn't know this

experiment involves one volunteer and

two actors volunteer shows up and they

say hey we're doing a study you're going

to read this stuff to this guy right

here we're going to strap him to a

machine and every time he gets a

question wrong you're going to zap his

ass and every time he gets the next one

wrong you're going to increase the

voltage increase the voltage all the way

to the machine goes 450 volts danger

extreme shock is what it said on the

machine so these doctors before the

experiment started they're like forming

just like the scientific method What's

the hypothesis they said

0.8% of people are going to go through

with this you have to be a psychopath to

be to kill someone obviously the guy in

the other room is not getting shocked

he's an actor but throughout this thing

he's screaming and you can hear him

through the drywall in the experiment

he's saying banging on the wall saying I

want to get out of here I don't want to

do this anymore I want to stop I want to

stop this and this guy the volunteers

sitting there thinking that they're

shocking him they turn around to this

guy in a lab coat and the guy in the lab

coat says please

continue the experiment requires that you

you

continue um I'm responsible please

continue so just little phrases like

that so so here's the here's the weird

part that no one ever talks

about number one 67% of people and these

are just random people they've done the

study multiple times it wasn't just this

one thing 67% went all the way all the

way to 450 and here's the weird part at

like 350 volts the guy in the other room

stops answering questions stops making sound

sound

altogether like he's dead

and they turn around to the guy in the

lab Cod like what am I going to do do I

keep going guy in the lab Cod says any

non-answer must be treated as an

incorrect answer please

continue 67% of people murdered a

stranger in under an hour

67% and 250 volts is enough to kill you

guess how many percent went to

250 100 oh my God

100% And and everybody's always thinking

about like what's the influence tactic

here what's the thing script what do I

say what's the sales script and all this

other stuff there was no hypnosis

there's no manipulation there's no

secret technique to touch them on the

shoulder and they become a killer

there's no secret language sales script

to get him to be hyper obedient none of

that it was just taking over the

mamalian brain that's the only thing

that happened and if you know the skills

to be able to spot that you you make

yourself more and more immune to manipulation

manipulation

but then again if you know how to

harness that and then Target someone's

Mamon brain you can literally get them

to do anything because I teach sales

teams and they're like oh yeah but our

clients are resistant I'm like can you

go talk some they're like selling a car

or a solar panel like you think talking

someone into [Music]

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murder and that's you like the car is

hard so if you I mean 45 minutes you get

100% of people to shock somebody at 250

volts selling a car is not hard it's all

about the M mamalian part of our brain

wow can you the hypnosis would just be a

say do do you have any thoughts and we

can we can um you say say no absolutely

feel free to say no but

on on the the

shooter uh at the Trump

rally I'm suspicious I'll just say that

okay I'm very suspicious yeah we'll

leave it at that

that

um I want to know about your

Retreats I've never done one of these Retreats

Retreats

before and one thing that I noticed when

I got out of the milit military I

thought it was cool like I have I've uh

I've never been rude to anybody no

matter if I'm talking to a detainees or

prisoners never once in my life have I

been rude I've you know punched people

cuffed them after they they've got

violent never been

rude and I get out of the military and

like the my marketing stick I guess was

M let me teach you mind control and all

of this stuff and which is still what I

teach today like I teach people literal

brainwash ing mind control tricks bra

how to use brainwashing on

yourself and behavior profiling how to

read body language and deception and all

this stuff I've got ranked the number

one body language expert in the world

and what I've noticed is like when when

I get a person to really learn learn it

at a deep level it injects a tremendous

amount of empathy uh into people but

that was never you can't put that on the

advertising uh page you know what I mean

let me give you become a big old softy

yeah um and then you get good at

influencing and you start seeing

yourself and everyone else and like it

it the empathy comes first and then the

influence part comes and I think it's

important to teach this to good people

and what I've noticed is that what I'm

really doing over these years in in this

like I have a VIP coaching group that I

teach every week and these are the

people I teach very extreme techniques

to that I

maybe a little scared to share with the

public and they're all good people but

over time what I'm teaching people is

like who you are matters like everybody

spends like all this money on sales

scripts like if I had a $10 million

sales script it took me 50 years to put

it together it's the most beautiful

thing ever it's like the golden ticket

sales script works every time right and

I give it to somebody with social

anxiety and say go use this script

it doesn't matter the technique doesn't

matter it's the person using it it's can

do I have confidence do I have authority

to use those things just like the guy in

the lab coat in the milgrim experiment

the lab coat was a our sociological

representation of an authority figure so

in the end um I I wanted to help people

get out of their ego and because when I

started like my first psychedelic

journey I didn't realize how much I was

an ego and

I was embarrassed what called you to to

take that Journey

epilepsy okay so I did like a five G

Journey was my first experience MH and I

was embarrassed at like my past self for

how I was just wrapped in ego and like I

I need to be important and I need people

to see me as important and all this

stuff and I wanted like come like just

unzipping your ego costume you know not

even jumping out of it just like kind of

pulling that zipper down a little bit

and letting some air in there it feels

so good it's like like I'm first time

I'm experiencing some level of Truth

like real beautiful truth so I am a

global recognized expert in Sops and

brainwashing and I thought like what if

I used psychedelics every single one of

the techniques that I teach to brainwash

someone and permanently change them in a

good way no no crazy waterboarding stuff

but what if I could permanently change a

person over the course of a 4-day uh

Retreat to like Escape out of their ego

and live outside their ego so I want

other people to experience like this

profound level of Truth not that I've

got everything figured out I do these

events for me too I go through the whole

thing with everybody yeah um but I the

our first event is here in a couple

months and it is four days we're doing

every single technique known to

man uh with from a metaphysical side

from a brainwashing side from a

behavioral engineering side Neuroscience

side uh to balance out neurotransmitters

to balance out vitamin levels in their

bodies everything you could possibly

think of uh to help a person get out of

their ego permanently not like you leave

the event and say oh that was great I

can't wait to go back to the next one I

don't want people to come back yeah yeah

so I think it's going to be a fun event

I think so too and you said that's going

to be in late May late May in Mexico yep

I I wish I could sell tickets but uh I

don't think there are any left maybe there's

there's

two we'll put a link to it but I'm sure

they'll be sold out but would certainly

stay tuned

for the next when the Austin events

whenever that gets booked yeah and the

events all the retreat will be called

exit it's called exit exit okay you've

been working with psychedelics a bit

though since that experience what is

what is what have you seen as the

benefits with that and with brain

training like what like what was the aha

moment for you you know as you were

doing all this work leading up to that

you had the experience and it's just

like these things just go together I

mean besides having your own experience

like like architecting this

whole experience yeah it is I I

genuinely in my soul I believe it is

going to be one of a kind I don't think

there's anything that's ever been done

like this in the history of the world

using all of these techniques like just

layered on top of each other but I see

one-on-one clients and to take them

through like these transformational things

things

and for some of these clients I create a

Manan candidate in them like an alter

ego that they can turn on and turn off

the difference is that they get to pick

what it is like their level of

confidence and all this other settings

that they get to

change but during some of these

experiences with these celebrities and

athletes and some of MMA fighters that

I've I've worked

with I needed to get them out of their

ego first because I needed a clean slate

to work with so I have been testing out

this method after method after method

and it's beautiful man to see like

somebody make this transition and

realize like now is when your life

starts like this is when living like the

true life really starts not that I'm

enlightened or anything I still have an

ego I think we all still have ego

absolutely we we just need to get to a

point where I can kind of flip a switch

and realize how to suppress it or how to

crawl out of that

costume not just all day every day but

at the exact moment that I feel like

doing it whenever I want to I can unzip

that whole costume and get out of it

what would an alter ego like this self

kind of menuing candidate look like for

someone as an example uh I worked with

uh Roy Jones Jr yeah and he trains a lot

of Fighters I had one of his Fighters I

don't know if he's comfortable with me

saying his name so I won't um one of his Fighters was going up for this big prize

Fighters was going up for this big prize fight and he call Roy calls me like two

fight and he call Roy calls me like two days three days before this fight and

days three days before this fight and he's like hey man can you make a

he's like hey man can you make a Manchurian Candidate that doesn't run

Manchurian Candidate that doesn't run out of breath and doesn't feel pain and

out of breath and doesn't feel pain and like doesn't get G you know they say

like doesn't get G you know they say gassed out like just out of breath in a

gassed out like just out of breath in a fight and I was like yeah yeah I can do

fight and I was like yeah yeah I can do that I had no idea oh I was like Jesus

that I had no idea oh I was like Jesus or not I could do but uh I didn't know

or not I could do but uh I didn't know but I'm like yeah I think you can kind

but I'm like yeah I think you can kind of do anything with what with this

of do anything with what with this system that I've

system that I've developed he's like all right I'm gonna

developed he's like all right I'm gonna fly you to Vegas and I I worked with

fly you to Vegas and I I worked with this guy for a day and a half and this

this guy for a day and a half and this usually takes me four days so I'm I'm

usually takes me four days so I'm I'm really nervous because oh you only have

really nervous because oh you only have a day and a half with them you're saying

a day and a half with them you're saying got it okay with the fighter yeah yeah

got it okay with the fighter yeah yeah so it's massive amount of hypnosis a lot

so it's massive amount of hypnosis a lot of other Neuroscience modifications that

of other Neuroscience modifications that were doing with him

were doing with him and I went to the fight I I got to watch

and I went to the fight I I got to watch the fight and I got to watch him in the

the fight and I got to watch him in the back room the whatever they call like

back room the whatever they call like The Green Room where they're kind of

The Green Room where they're kind of warming up and stuff and kind of reh

warming up and stuff and kind of reh hypnotize him and get him ready he walks

hypnotize him and get him ready he walks the fights on YouTube um but he walks

the fights on YouTube um but he walks out there and he's fighting this guy

out there and he's fighting this guy who's like undefeated bigger than him

who's like undefeated bigger than him way way better

way way better fighter uh and he wins like he wins the

fighter uh and he wins like he wins the fight but he goes back and when he sits

fight but he goes back and when he sits in his corner like during all the breaks

in his corner like during all the breaks his chest isn't rising and falling he

his chest isn't rising and falling he has no expression on his face uh he's

has no expression on his face uh he's getting punched in the face and nothing

getting punched in the face and nothing is changing on his face throughout the

is changing on his face throughout the entire fight and the announcers even say

entire fight and the announcers even say it in the video they've never seen

it in the video they've never seen anything like that before he's not

anything like that before he's not gassed out he's not feeling any of that

gassed out he's not feeling any of that pain and essentially I I made a little

pain and essentially I I made a little temporary psychopath that he can turn on

temporary psychopath that he can turn on and off and just in case I gave the off

and off and just in case I gave the off switch secrets to his manager and his

switch secrets to his manager and his Corner man and his

Corner man and his wife yes you nice good thinking here's

wife yes you nice good thinking here's the best part of the story uh the night

the best part of the story uh the night before the fight they go to do that

before the fight they go to do that thing where they you know they're taking

thing where they you know they're taking pictures with their yeah like the

pictures with their yeah like the ceremonial weigh in or whatever yeah and

ceremonial weigh in or whatever yeah and they're like like in each other's face

they're like like in each other's face and stuff uh

and stuff uh his I call it a machine like the machine

his I call it a machine like the machine that I built in this head yeah uh his

that I built in this head yeah uh his machine

machine he didn't do the thing that I told him

he didn't do the thing that I told him to do to turn the machine on but the

to do to turn the machine on but the machine turned on by itself when that

machine turned on by itself when that opponent got in there and he just did

opponent got in there and he just did this like he's looking at this guy like

this like he's looking at this guy like that's the guy right there yeah and he

that's the guy right there yeah and he looks over at his wife just one glance

looks over at his wife just one glance she picks their children up and moves to

she picks their children up and moves to a different

a different Hotel she said that is not my husband

Hotel she said that is not my husband she knew like instantly just one little

she knew like instantly just one little piece of eye contact and she went to

piece of eye contact and she went to stay in another hotel until the fight

stay in another hotel until the fight was all over and everything was done

was all over and everything was done it worked thank goodness so this is what

it worked thank goodness so this is what can be expected in the retreat you're

can be expected in the retreat you're saying no no no retreat's going to be a

saying no no no retreat's going to be a completely different thing Retreat is no

completely different thing Retreat is no Alter Ego at all it's going to be

Alter Ego at all it's going to be grounding get out of ego nothing to do

grounding get out of ego nothing to do with what I usually do okay so this

with what I usually do okay so this thing with the bo the fighter I'm so

thing with the bo the fighter I'm so intrigued there's like these uh

intrigued there's like these uh when I do it with

when I do it with actresses they sometimes want the alter

actresses they sometimes want the alter ego to be a character they're playing in

ego to be a character they're playing in a movie so that they can kill it when

a movie so that they can kill it when the movie's done or when they're done

the movie's done or when they're done filming and from what I've heard from

filming and from what I've heard from I've worked with two actresses that

I've worked with two actresses that every human being over the age of 10

every human being over the age of 10 knows their name yeah and she said that

knows their name yeah and she said that every I don't know if this is true but

every I don't know if this is true but she said like every actress like it's

she said like every actress like it's stressful having to be this person

stressful having to be this person filming a movie for a year and a half or

filming a movie for a year and a half or however long it takes and that that

however long it takes and that that little character lives in your head

little character lives in your head forever and she was about to start a

forever and she was about to start a movie that was kind of a

movie that was kind of a horrorishalloween

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back on what would be like a turn on turnoff technique like a t typical like

turnoff technique like a t typical like what is something like that uh building

what is something like that uh building that switch takes about three and a half

that switch takes about three and a half hours by itself to turn it on turn it

hours by itself to turn it on turn it off and we

off and we use how to word this the right way we I

use how to word this the right way we I use a very high stress technique uh

use a very high stress technique uh that's mentally very stressful uh but

that's mentally very stressful uh but that helps us to build that switch and

that helps us to build that switch and make it a because you know if if we have

make it a because you know if if we have a extremely stressful memory it becomes

a extremely stressful memory it becomes a physiological part of our brain not

a physiological part of our brain not just a psychological change okay so

just a psychological change okay so we're making physiological changes

we're making physiological changes throughout these four days that it takes

throughout these four days that it takes so like an example would be she reaches

so like an example would be she reaches across and like digs a finger into her

across and like digs a finger into her shoulder and says a two words that no

shoulder and says a two words that no human being will ever say together so

human being will ever say together so that there's no

that there's no accidental turn on yep

accidental turn on yep activation and then to to to kill it

activation and then to to to kill it like for that thing to be gone forever

like for that thing to be gone forever there's another similar potentially type

there's another similar potentially type of thing yeah it only actually takes

of thing yeah it only actually takes about 45 minutes to kill it but it's a

about 45 minutes to kill it but it's a one-on-one it's you in person I've never

one-on-one it's you in person I've never done it over Zoom just because I I very

done it over Zoom just because I I very much doubt the efficacy of hypnosis when

much doubt the efficacy of hypnosis when it's two-dimensional like through

it's two-dimensional like through Electronics maybe it works I don't I've

Electronics maybe it works I don't I've never done it how off like uh over the

never done it how off like uh over the course of the year how many different

course of the year how many different slots do you have available for

slots do you have available for something like that I see maybe five

something like that I see maybe five clients a year okay and it's a pretty

clients a year okay and it's a pretty big invoice yeah I assumed given just

big invoice yeah I assumed given just the and it's stressful for me and yeah

the and it's stressful for me and yeah how how do I hate it what do you do to

how how do I hate it what do you do to offload that experience for yourself

offload that experience for yourself because that is a lot of energy it's

because that is a lot of energy it's it's it's your it's tons putting uh

it's it's your it's tons putting uh someone

someone into seems like a a ton of duress and

into seems like a a ton of duress and you know like so do you have to in some

you know like so do you have to in some ways like almost disassociate while it's

ways like almost disassociate while it's happened like how do you how do you

happened like how do you how do you prepare yourself for that you've got to

prepare yourself for that you've got to be very Associated during the process

be very Associated during the process because like even while you're under

because like even while you're under hypnosis I'm watching I'm counting your

hypnosis I'm watching I'm counting your breaths per minute to watch for stress

breaths per minute to watch for stress markers I'm watching tiny Twitches in

markers I'm watching tiny Twitches in your fingers I'm watching whether your

your fingers I'm watching whether your eyes are moving to the right or to the

eyes are moving to the right or to the left and there's a thousand metrics that

left and there's a thousand metrics that I'm using to modify the next words that

I'm using to modify the next words that are coming out of my mouth so that it's

are coming out of my mouth so that it's the most customized tailored and perfect

the most customized tailored and perfect hypnosis session that any human could

hypnosis session that any human could ever have so it's like the end of like

ever have so it's like the end of like one of those days when I'm programming a

one of those days when I'm programming a it's programming a human being but there

it's programming a human being but there sweat like down to down to my belt yeah

sweat like down to down to my belt yeah just it's a stressful experience

just it's a stressful experience experience for me and at the end of

experience for me and at the end of those I'll usually do a little uh a

those I'll usually do a little uh a little journey yeah uh helps a

little journey yeah uh helps a lot methylene blue helps a lot to kind

lot methylene blue helps a lot to kind of maintain that level of focus

of maintain that level of focus throughout the

throughout the the that entire day yeah let's I didn't

the that entire day yeah let's I didn't get to ask but L like break down and

get to ask but L like break down and we've we've done it certainly we we'll

we've we've done it certainly we we'll refer back to when Dr John laurance has

refer back to when Dr John laurance has been on the podcast we talked about both

been on the podcast we talked about both methylene blue and and highd do

methylene blue and and highd do melatonin but just here kind of like

melatonin but just here kind of like your experience and your knowledge of

your experience and your knowledge of like why does methylene blue work and

like why does methylene blue work and I've and I've heard some

I've and I've heard some people um poo poo it because it's used

people um poo poo it because it's used to clean you know fish tanks and it's

to clean you know fish tanks and it's this you know they've they've had

this you know they've they've had reasons that it not to use it and I'm

reasons that it not to use it and I'm like I drink water and fish swim in it

like I drink water and fish swim in it there you go okay yeah it it it seems to

there you go okay yeah it it it seems to uh work you know so I don't really care

uh work you know so I don't really care what it used for otherwise but yeah what

what it used for otherwise but yeah what why does it work it works in fish tanks

why does it work it works in fish tanks because it works in

because it works in humans here we go it's now we're done

humans here we go it's now we're done yeah no but this this stuff was

yeah no but this this stuff was discovered in like 1890 this guy's

discovered in like 1890 this guy's trying to dye blue jeans and other stuff

trying to dye blue jeans and other stuff for the industrial revolutions going on

for the industrial revolutions going on these big textile mills making way more

these big textile mills making way more clothes than we're used to so this blue

clothes than we're used to so this blue Dy comes out and it's just meant to be a

Dy comes out and it's just meant to be a die initially and this this biologist

die initially and this this biologist scientist I think bioengineer or

scientist I think bioengineer or something who came up with it put it on

something who came up with it put it on a microscope slide and showed that it

a microscope slide and showed that it had what's called a neuronal Affinity

had what's called a neuronal Affinity which means that if you have a there's a

which means that if you have a there's a neuron or a brain cell on a microscope

neuron or a brain cell on a microscope slide you can watch the methylene blue

slide you can watch the methylene blue soak up into

soak up into neurons um and then he's like wow that's

neurons um and then he's like wow that's you know interesting so he shot up a

you know interesting so he shot up a couple of rats killed them sliced those

couple of rats killed them sliced those babies open the entire nervous system

babies open the entire nervous system was blue

was blue the whole thing every neuron the brain

the whole thing every neuron the brain brain stem spinal cord all those

brain stem spinal cord all those descending neurons going down through

descending neurons going down through the

the body which is just cool that's just cool

body which is just cool that's just cool to begin with because like if you did an

to begin with because like if you did an autopsy on me right now my brain's blue

autopsy on me right now my brain's blue my spinal cords blue all the nerves are

my spinal cords blue all the nerves are blue look at my hand yeah you've got

blue look at my hand yeah you've got you're on the road so it's a little hard

you're on the road so it's a little hard mine I took mine this morning I was very

mine I took mine this morning I was very careful with it yeah so some blue as

careful with it yeah so some blue as well I'm in a hotel but uh all right so

well I'm in a hotel but uh all right so let's start and so methylene blue has

let's start and so methylene blue has been proven to work for 120 years it's

been proven to work for 120 years it's not some new thing it's new on Instagram

not some new thing it's new on Instagram but it's not new yeah proven to work so

but it's not new yeah proven to work so somebody's poo pooing something that's

somebody's poo pooing something that's worked for was it used by the soldiers

worked for was it used by the soldiers and like for antimalarial yes okay

and like for antimalarial yes okay antimalarial antifungal

antimalarial antifungal antibacterial it's a miracle but the

antibacterial it's a miracle but the number one thing that methylene blue is

number one thing that methylene blue is at the top level is an MAOI so that's a

at the top level is an MAOI so that's a a monoamine oxidase inhibitor so which

a monoamine oxidase inhibitor so which means that it has anti-depressant

means that it has anti-depressant properties maois are used to treat

properties maois are used to treat depression but it also means that if I'm

depression but it also means that if I'm taking methylene blue regularly I have

taking methylene blue regularly I have to avoid stuff that's called tyr tyene

to avoid stuff that's called tyr tyene tyramine and this is the chemicals that

tyramine and this is the chemicals that you find in red wines and aged cheeses

you find in red wines and aged cheeses it could lead to something that's called

it could lead to something that's called a a hypertensive crisis but you don't

a a hypertensive crisis but you don't want to high dose methylene blue and eat

want to high dose methylene blue and eat a bunch of old cheese that's okay or

a bunch of old cheese that's okay or drink a bunch of red

drink a bunch of red one um so it acts as a free

one um so it acts as a free radical scavenger so neuronal Affinity

radical scavenger so neuronal Affinity free radical scavenger and a free

free radical scavenger and a free radical is an oxygen that doesn't have

radical is an oxygen that doesn't have two hydrogens on it so it's an oxygen

two hydrogens on it so it's an oxygen that's not water which means this oxygen

that's not water which means this oxygen just bouncing around your body sometimes

just bouncing around your body sometimes it's got a bunch of hydrogen on there

it's got a bunch of hydrogen on there sometimes just got one but balancing out

sometimes just got one but balancing out these oxygen molecules means I'm taking

these oxygen molecules means I'm taking it and I'm sticking to hydrogen's on it

it and I'm sticking to hydrogen's on it and then you you're peeing out that free

and then you you're peeing out that free radical so we have two main types of

radical so we have two main types of free radicals we have a reactive oxygen

free radicals we have a reactive oxygen species and reactive nitrogen species

species and reactive nitrogen species and methylene blue helps to balance

and methylene blue helps to balance those out so you can pee out and free

those out so you can pee out and free radicals

radicals are leading cause of inflammation in the

are leading cause of inflammation in the body leading cause of

body leading cause of sickness so on top of that this is kind

sickness so on top of that this is kind of the I'm giving you a thumbnail of

of the I'm giving you a thumbnail of what methylene blue does for sure it it

what methylene blue does for sure it it collects an electron from all of the

collects an electron from all of the these processes and donates an electron

these processes and donates an electron and so it acts as what's called an

and so it acts as what's called an electron donor to healthy mitochondria

electron donor to healthy mitochondria inside of your nervous system and those

inside of your nervous system and those electrons are what power our entire body

electrons are what power our entire body like we run on electrons and the

like we run on electrons and the mitochondri is electrons are spinning so

mitochondri is electrons are spinning so mitochondria used used this throughout a

mitochondria used used this throughout a process and there's an engine inside of

process and there's an engine inside of our mitochondria that's actually a

our mitochondria that's actually a rotary engine like a like the old Mazda

rotary engine like a like the old Mazda rotary engines it's it's except it's

rotary engines it's it's except it's more efficient it's like 98% efficiency

more efficient it's like 98% efficiency of this

of this engine and to go even

engine and to go even crazy a little bit

crazy a little bit deeper mitochondria aren't

deeper mitochondria aren't human I heard you say this on Danny's

human I heard you say this on Danny's podcast yeah they don't have human DNA

podcast yeah they don't have human DNA which is super bizarre so some

which is super bizarre so some relationship formed a long time ago uh

relationship formed a long time ago uh for that those to kind of be fused

for that those to kind of be fused together so gives ourselves more energy

together so gives ourselves more energy we make this thing ATP which is our

we make this thing ATP which is our cellular energy adenosine

cellular energy adenosine triphosphate

triphosphate and it it essentially does all kinds of

and it it essentially does all kinds of work throughout every part of your body

work throughout every part of your body and

and helps almost every process you can think

helps almost every process you can think of from digestion to respiration to your

of from digestion to respiration to your focus and concentration for depression

focus and concentration for depression for your skin how your skin looks and if

for your skin how your skin looks and if you're doing red light therapy you know

you're doing red light therapy you know this already mhm but methylene blue is

this already mhm but methylene blue is blue because it sucks up and absorbs red

blue because it sucks up and absorbs red photons and it bounces back blue photons

photons and it bounces back blue photons so if you're doing red light therapy

so if you're doing red light therapy with methylene blue you're like I'm

with methylene blue you're like I'm making this number up but it's like

making this number up but it's like 6000x uh return on investment if you're

6000x uh return on investment if you're getting red light into your nervous

getting red light into your nervous system and a good red light therapy

system and a good red light therapy machine will penetrate about 4 inches

machine will penetrate about 4 inches into your body and a really good one

into your body and a really good one will penetrate U two and a half through

will penetrate U two and a half through your skull

your skull I've got to take you next time you're in

I've got to take you next time you're in town I got to take you to a place called

town I got to take you to a place called matter it's a bow Wellness Lounge that

matter it's a bow Wellness Lounge that has so it's got John's got the midoan

has so it's got John's got the midoan helmet you seen I own one of course you

helmet you seen I own one of course you do so they got that well that's not as

do so they got that well that's not as novel anymore but uh they have a great

novel anymore but uh they have a great light bed and they have a bunch of like

light bed and they have a bunch of like hyper barracks and and and other toys

hyper barracks and and and other toys you ever heard of the theeta

you ever heard of the theeta chamber I bought one of those two you

chamber I bought one of those two you have a [ __ ] theeta chamber it hasn't

have a [ __ ] theeta chamber it hasn't been delivered yet it's a Theta bed this

been delivered yet it's a Theta bed this is a theeta chamber that spins yeah yeah

is a theeta chamber that spins yeah yeah I but just bought one do you have an

I but just bought one do you have an aortal too no I've never heard of that

aortal too no I've never heard of that well you'll probably get one of those

well you'll probably get one of those now I'll I tell you what I'll take you

now I'll I tell you what I'll take you over there you just go in a shopping

over there you just go in a shopping spree and we'll have everything

spree and we'll have everything delivered to your place uh but I will

delivered to your place uh but I will say man that I think methylene blue

say man that I think methylene blue is a trend and a fad right now and I

is a trend and a fad right now and I think that takes away from the

think that takes away from the seriousness of its benefits because

seriousness of its benefits because we're seeing lotss of idiot [ __ ]

we're seeing lotss of idiot [ __ ] using it like let me show make its

using it like let me show make its YouTube thumbnail with a blue tongue and

YouTube thumbnail with a blue tongue and oh yeah so I think that takes away

oh yeah so I think that takes away somebody sees that and they're like oh

somebody sees that and they're like oh it's a fad it's not real they they're

it's a fad it's not real they they're not realizing it's been around for like

not realizing it's been around for like 120 years and it's it's maybe in the top

120 years and it's it's maybe in the top five most proven drugs in human

five most proven drugs in human history pretty up there that's that's

history pretty up there that's that's along with willow bark probably up there

along with willow bark probably up there with willow bark and which is aspirin

with willow bark and which is aspirin okay aspirin is made from Willow Tree

okay aspirin is made from Willow Tree didn't know

didn't know that do you do the Troy or the

that do you do the Troy or the suppository for methylene yeah uh Troke

suppository for methylene yeah uh Troke yeah so I cut them up and I take three

yeah so I cut them up and I take three so I take about 140 milligrams a day

so I take about 140 milligrams a day methylene

methylene y it's good stuff and you've seen

y it's good stuff and you've seen efficacy in in others in your sphere

efficacy in in others in your sphere that have used it to heal my family my

that have used it to heal my family my friends

friends uh or or My across the street neighbor

uh or or My across the street neighbor where I live uh started taking it and

where I live uh started taking it and now was off of like seven different

now was off of like seven different prescription medications within a week

prescription medications within a week and she has some serious conditions

and she has some serious conditions another person that I gave it to who

another person that I gave it to who works uh at our house uh she has amalo

works uh at our house uh she has amalo dois what's that um it's a buildup of

dois what's that um it's a buildup of plaque and your organs and stuff your

plaque and your organs and stuff your breathing starts going crazy down she

breathing starts going crazy down she was breathing at

was breathing at 16% uh when she started working for us

16% uh when she started working for us and she's back above above 85 and her

and she's back above above 85 and her doctor said he had never seen those

doctor said he had never seen those results in 35 years of working with

results in 35 years of working with amalo dois patients and it's all all it

amalo dois patients and it's all all it was was methylene blue and I'm not

was was methylene blue and I'm not saying that I'm not a doctor I'm not

saying that I'm not a doctor I'm not telling you to take methylene blue you

telling you to take methylene blue you need to talk to a doctor

need to talk to a doctor um no absolutely not okay um but I I

um no absolutely not okay um but I I can't give medical advice don't want to

can't give medical advice don't want to give medical advice but but I hope

give medical advice but but I hope people look into it I have no you don't

people look into it I have no you don't have to use some affiliate link or

have to use some affiliate link or anything like that buy it from wherever

anything like that buy it from wherever the hell you want to buy it from U but

the hell you want to buy it from U but at least look into it because it it can

at least look into it because it it can save somebody's life and it can reverse

save somebody's life and it can reverse a lot of damage that's going on in our

a lot of damage that's going on in our bodies it made my brain better that is

bodies it made my brain better that is the most fascinating thing I've heard

the most fascinating thing I've heard and

and and like with regards to

and like with regards to that where is your your kind of need to

that where is your your kind of need to write where does that sit right now it's

write where does that sit right now it's not really there how does that feel uh

not really there how does that feel uh for anyone out there with temporal

for anyone out there with temporal epilepsy it'll be slightly offensive for

epilepsy it'll be slightly offensive for me to say what I'm about to say um I

me to say what I'm about to say um I miss parts of having T uhhuh I miss

miss parts of having T uhhuh I miss pieces of it uh and they call temporal

pieces of it uh and they call temporal epilepsy the sacred disease uh for very

epilepsy the sacred disease uh for very good reason like ancient Mystics and

good reason like ancient Mystics and stuff would think that they were getting

stuff would think that they were getting these visions and who knows what what it

these visions and who knows what what it is but I lost that need to write and

is but I lost that need to write and sometimes I miss those

sometimes I miss those seizures because it felt like I was

seizures because it felt like I was getting access to it may just all be in

getting access to it may just all be in my head but it felt like I was kind of

my head but it felt like I was kind of getting access to some layer of reality

getting access to some layer of reality that other people can't access yeah I

that other people can't access yeah I think that makes sense yeah do do

think that makes sense yeah do do you do you miss the because I'm

you do you miss the because I'm imagining I've never had it obviously

imagining I've never had it obviously but the I have been inspired to write or

but the I have been inspired to write or do whatever it is and so like the

do whatever it is and so like the energetics of that I know when I'm in

energetics of that I know when I'm in that space and in that i' say flow does

that space and in that i' say flow does it feel like a complete Flow State when

it feel like a complete Flow State when you're writing or is it

you're writing or is it different is it more like [ __ ] I want to

different is it more like [ __ ] I want to stop but like I mean like what is the is

stop but like I mean like what is the is it like a flow State yeah I feel like a

it like a flow State yeah I feel like a normal person would respond to having to

normal person would respond to having to sit down and write and I write every day

sit down and write and I write every day from 4:00 am. to 11:00 a.m.

from 4:00 am. to 11:00 a.m. without fail and that's seven days a

without fail and that's seven days a week so I'm still there writing so I

week so I'm still there writing so I think there's still a lot of Jes BR H

think there's still a lot of Jes BR H God I still like writing a lot I'll say

God I still like writing a lot I'll say so what types of what's what's uh what's

so what types of what's what's uh what's top of mine for you lately what are you

top of mine for you lately what are you interested in I'm writing a book right

interested in I'm writing a book right now called exit a user's guide to the

now called exit a user's guide to the simulation and the whole thing is about

simulation and the whole thing is about how to there's three ways days to hack a

how to there's three ways days to hack a video

video game um so I talked man this is going to

game um so I talked man this is going to sound like we're going off the deep in

sound like we're going off the deep in oh [ __ ] yeah do this is the goods so I

oh [ __ ] yeah do this is the goods so I hired have you heard of uh II they make

hired have you heard of uh II they make video games it's a bit big video game

video games it's a bit big video game company I talked to one of these

company I talked to one of these designers that designs video games and I

designers that designs video games and I talked about like there's a way there's

talked about like there's a way there's people on YouTube that just make

people on YouTube that just make videos on how to like so let's say this

videos on how to like so let's say this neighborhood is a video game where we're

neighborhood is a video game where we're at right now but the map of this game

at right now but the map of this game ends at that house over there okay like

ends at that house over there okay like once you get to the backyard you're just

once you get to the backyard you're just your character's just like running on

your character's just like running on the wall right yeah I want to go over

the wall right yeah I want to go over that wall in video games and these

that wall in video games and these people on YouTube dedicated for all

people on YouTube dedicated for all kinds of games how to get out how to

kinds of games how to get out how to hack your way out of the map so you can

hack your way out of the map so you can go explore this out of bounds area where

go explore this out of bounds area where you're not supposed to

you're not supposed to go uh and I don't know why but I got

go uh and I don't know why but I got obsessed with watching these videos my

obsessed with watching these videos my son and I play this game called Hitman I

son and I play this game called Hitman I don't know if you ever heard of I'm not

don't know if you ever heard of I'm not familiar with it oh my God it's cool

familiar with it oh my God it's cool there's like 16 million ways to kill

there's like 16 million ways to kill this target as a Hitman in a in the

this target as a Hitman in a in the video game for and you can't none of

video game for and you can't none of them are ever the same it's we'll get

them are ever the same it's we'll get into it

into it but um so they make these compilations

but um so they make these compilations online of like these different ways that

online of like these different ways that people are getting out of the game so

people are getting out of the game so there's these different levels of number

there's these different levels of number one can I

one can I see can I look deeply into the area

see can I look deeply into the area where I'm not supposed to be number one

where I'm not supposed to be number one number two Can I exit the playable

number two Can I exit the playable area level three Can I exit the map

area level three Can I exit the map entirely like can I just fall through

entirely like can I just fall through the floor which you can in a lot of

the floor which you can in a lot of these video games you find the right

these video games you find the right combination of whatever and you can drop

combination of whatever and you can drop through and you're look you kind of look

through and you're look you kind of look up and you can see the entire map from

up and you can see the entire map from underneath like the skeletons of all the

underneath like the skeletons of all the buildings and the streets and whatever

buildings and the streets and whatever you were walking on and just falling

you were walking on and just falling eternally the game Never Kills you

eternally the game Never Kills you you're eternally falling in this

you're eternally falling in this Blackness watching that little 3D City

Blackness watching that little 3D City just disappear above you uh so that's

just disappear above you uh so that's level

level three level four could be can I get out

three level four could be can I get out of this game so if I'm in Hitman can I

of this game so if I'm in Hitman can I make my little Hitman guy jump out of

make my little Hitman guy jump out of that game and crawl into the Call of

that game and crawl into the Call of Duty world and play Call of

Duty world and play Call of Duty and level five is Can I exit the

console you know what I'm saying so according to Chas Hughes

saying so according to Chas Hughes anyway those are the five levels of

anyway those are the five levels of exiting that you can do in a video game

exiting that you can do in a video game so I tried to find all of the cories

so I tried to find all of the cories that were possible and the mental exit

that were possible and the mental exit is like the first real step like being

is like the first real step like being aware of all of the boundaries of this

aware of all of the boundaries of this little video game and being aware what

little video game and being aware what is fake and what's real and that's step

is fake and what's real and that's step one like that wall is fake I can walk

one like that wall is fake I can walk through it in a video game but in

through it in a video game but in reality I'm starting to realize what

reality I'm starting to realize what parts are actually simulated and it's

parts are actually simulated and it's not some digital simulation there's this

not some digital simulation there's this French philosopher who wrote a book

French philosopher who wrote a book called uh Sim Locka and simulation his

called uh Sim Locka and simulation his name is uh John

name is uh John bodard and he's talking about Walmart is

bodard and he's talking about Walmart is a simulation of a market that our

a simulation of a market that our ancestors would use it's

ancestors would use it's pretend there pictures on the packaging

pretend there pictures on the packaging are a simulation of what's inside and we

are a simulation of what's inside and we know that it doesn't represent reality

know that it doesn't represent reality we go to Burger King and we see a burger

we go to Burger King and we see a burger on the menu we know that that's a

on the menu we know that that's a simulated Burger that's not going to

simulated Burger that's not going to represent reality then you get to hyper

represent reality then you get to hyper reality where you go to like a place

reality where you go to like a place like Disney World where there are people

like Disney World where there are people simulating

simulating a simulation of a Disney character that

a simulation of a Disney character that H is simulating something that has no

H is simulating something that has no original so it's a simulation of a

original so it's a simulation of a simulation of a simulation where there

simulation of a simulation where there is no original that it's pointing

is no original that it's pointing backward to okay and the entirety of

backward to okay and the entirety of Disney World is a simulation of

Disney World is a simulation of cities but it's made to be better than

cities but it's made to be better than reality so it's full of simulations some

reality so it's full of simulations some are

are simulacra which have no origin like I'm

simulacra which have no origin like I'm I'm pointing to nothing mhm and some are

I'm pointing to nothing mhm and some are simulation which is like this street

simulation which is like this street looks like Germany except it's

looks like Germany except it's better and now that's they call that

better and now that's they call that hyper reality and this is we're not even

hyper reality and this is we're not even talking about digital yet we're already

talking about digital yet we're already in a simulation so much of our lives are

in a simulation so much of our lives are simulated it it's a thing that points at

simulated it it's a thing that points at a thing that points at a thing uh and we

a thing that points at a thing uh and we can go into that for hours but it's

can go into that for hours but it's that's a lot of what the book is about

that's a lot of what the book is about like becoming hyper aware of how to

like becoming hyper aware of how to locate reality when everything is

locate reality when everything is starting to become more and more

starting to become more and more artificial and

artificial and fake how long you been working on this

fake how long you been working on this two

two years how where where do you feel like

years how where where do you feel like you are in the completion it's done yeah

you are in the completion it's done yeah I'm just waiting on editors to kind of

I'm just waiting on editors to kind of finish up now and it's short it's a

finish up now and it's short it's a short book it's a maybe a three four

short book it's a maybe a three four hour read oh no [ __ ] yeah which is like

hour read oh no [ __ ] yeah which is like me you've seen like some of the books

me you've seen like some of the books I've written yeah um yeah I'm I'm really

I've written yeah um yeah I'm I'm really happy about it it's and that's what

happy about it it's and that's what we're naming the retreat after and this

we're naming the retreat after and this is going to be the exit Retreat and the

is going to be the exit Retreat and the exit book kind of go hand inand and the

exit book kind of go hand inand and the only way to get a copy of the book is to

only way to get a copy of the book is to attend one of the Retreats oh no [ __ ]

attend one of the Retreats oh no [ __ ] it's like a secret guy yeah [ __ ] yeah I

it's like a secret guy yeah [ __ ] yeah I like it by the way uh I love that you

like it by the way uh I love that you didn't realize how how this isn't

didn't realize how how this isn't necessarily close to where you were

necessarily close to where you were staying you're like I'm going to get a

staying you're like I'm going to get a driver whatever was like where are you

driver whatever was like where are you staying I was 20 minutes away and it

staying I was 20 minutes away and it gave us an opportunity to drop in yeah

gave us an opportunity to drop in yeah on the car ride so I love that and U we

on the car ride so I love that and U we did Cover a decent amount in the car

did Cover a decent amount in the car ride I will leave you five stars by the

ride I will leave you five stars by the way I appreciate yeah I was a little bit

way I appreciate yeah I was a little bit late but it was traffic I I did the best

late but it was traffic I I did the best I could I you know broke a few traffic

I could I you know broke a few traffic laws uh but one of the things that we

laws uh but one of the things that we talked about

talked about that is is really um has come up for me

that is is really um has come up for me recently and I think will will land with

recently and I think will will land with a lot of

a lot of people um is this idea of we can call it

people um is this idea of we can call it cognitive dissonance

cognitive dissonance but you know I had kind of shared uh a

but you know I had kind of shared uh a meme about us Aid on you know how

meme about us Aid on you know how they're there's a ton of corruption the

they're there's a ton of corruption the Dr Evil one and it was basically like

Dr Evil one and it was basically like we're going to like piss away all this

we're going to like piss away all this money we'll call it foreign AE and yeah

money we'll call it foreign AE and yeah um I had I I had some a friend that I

um I had I I had some a friend that I used to work with who unbe know to me

used to work with who unbe know to me actually works for for the

actually works for for the organization and wow yeah and so

organization and wow yeah and so he's uh doing great work with them and I

he's uh doing great work with them and I don't doubt that like going to these

don't doubt that like going to these Villages and treating babies with HIV

Villages and treating babies with HIV and you know I could argue like well

and you know I could argue like well where do we think they got the HIV from

where do we think they got the HIV from but that's you know whatever here and or

but that's you know whatever here and or there and he was really upset with that

there and he was really upset with that because of the work that he's doing in

because of the work that he's doing in in in part of my response in not only

in in part of my response in not only acknowledging the amazing work he's

acknowledging the amazing work he's doing was like I would have hope that

doing was like I would have hope that you would want to root out any

you would want to root out any corruption that is in within that

corruption that is in within that organization because it's a bad look for

organization because it's a bad look for the amazing work that is being done in

the amazing work that is being done in some areas and shouldn't that be

some areas and shouldn't that be Universal you would hope

Universal you would hope and so if I if you are if I could go

and so if I if you are if I could go ahead

ahead I if if a person's listening right now

I if if a person's listening right now you're upset about the election or you

you're upset about the election or you love the election either one if you're

love the election either one if you're unable to find

unable to find good in something that's in an political

good in something that's in an political opponent or if you're unable to see

opponent or if you're unable to see something bad in a politician that you

something bad in a politician that you support something's wrong something has

support something's wrong something has occurred in your bra bra where there's

occurred in your bra bra where there's been a a transition and it's okay to

been a a transition and it's okay to admit it I'm I'm an expert in this stuff

admit it I'm I'm an expert in this stuff and I'm just as susceptible to anybody

and I'm just as susceptible to anybody like me learning about it does not

like me learning about it does not vaccinate me

vaccinate me from I don't have some immunity to it we

from I don't have some immunity to it we all have to admit that we're capable of

all have to admit that we're capable of being

being manipulated and it it hearkens back to

manipulated and it it hearkens back to this book uh the book is called when

this book uh the book is called when prophecy fails the author's name is

prophecy fails the author's name is escaping me right now but it's a it's a

escaping me right now but it's a it's a psychologist who studied this cult and

psychologist who studied this cult and the cult

the cult was wild crazy cult but they said on

was wild crazy cult but they said on this exact day the Earth is going to

this exact day the Earth is going to explode or end and aliens are coming and

explode or end and aliens are coming and aliens are going to like destroy the

aliens are going to like destroy the world and all this crazy

world and all this crazy stuff and all the colon had a lot of

stuff and all the colon had a lot of followers hundreds and hundreds maybe

followers hundreds and hundreds maybe thousands and this day comes

thousands and this day comes the day finally comes that the aliens

the day finally comes that the aliens are going to show up and destroy the

are going to show up and destroy the world no aliens the world doesn't blow

world no aliens the world doesn't blow up nothing

up nothing happens so we would think like oh the

happens so we would think like oh the Cults half of the members are going to

Cults half of the members are going to say F you I'm out of here I'm leaving

say F you I'm out of here I'm leaving this is stupid the cult leader is going

this is stupid the cult leader is going to feel like an

to feel like an idiot um you know all these things that

idiot um you know all these things that we imagine might happen in a situation

we imagine might happen in a situation like this and in

like this and in reality all of them doubled down they

reality all of them doubled down they doubled down on their beliefs because

doubled down on their beliefs because they they were entrenched in who they

they they were entrenched in who they were as as human beings they they

were as as human beings they they adopted a belief not from an idea but an

adopted a belief not from an idea but an identity so if you're ever watching ever

identity so if you're ever watching ever watching the news always pay attention

watching the news always pay attention to am I being sold on Identity or ideas

to am I being sold on Identity or ideas those are the two different Pathways to

those are the two different Pathways to convey

convey information so like I know you that

information so like I know you that you're a good person so you're going to

you're a good person so you're going to probably believe what I'm about to say

probably believe what I'm about to say that's that's an exaggerated way of

that's that's an exaggerated way of talking about it but that's that's what

talking about it but that's that's what selling you on identity is who because

selling you on identity is who because of who you are

of who you are so um they doubled down and they even

so um they doubled down and they even went so far as to

went so far as to say the Earth didn't explode the aliens

say the Earth didn't explode the aliens didn't show up because we prayed so hard

didn't show up because we prayed so hard it's because of our faith and it's

it's because of our faith and it's because of our integrity you're welcome

because of our integrity you're welcome Planet so

Planet so uh just like those Hermits in that cave

uh just like those Hermits in that cave holding it down yeah it's that's some

holding it down yeah it's that's some commitment serious commitment yeah but I

commitment serious commitment yeah but I would say there being in a cult is not

would say there being in a cult is not always bad some Cults are good uh one of

always bad some Cults are good uh one of them I was a part of a cult one time

them I was a part of a cult one time called the United States military where

called the United States military where I go through an indoctrination program

I go through an indoctrination program where they shave your head and kind of

where they shave your head and kind of you go through full full

you go through full full indoctrination and you're all about it

indoctrination and you're all about it when you graduate boot camper you're

when you graduate boot camper you're like I am it I am I am a US Navy sailor

like I am it I am I am a US Navy sailor now I'm part of the Navy and that's kind

now I'm part of the Navy and that's kind of a cult some Cults are good some Cults

of a cult some Cults are good some Cults instill values and morals but some of

instill values and morals but some of them you you can accidentally join a

them you you can accidentally join a cult Without Really knowing it and it's

cult Without Really knowing it and it's not a cult that's an organization with a

not a cult that's an organization with a real leader it's a cult of

real leader it's a cult of identity and if I've made so many

identity and if I've made so many agreements that I support this person

agreements that I support this person now I support this side so it goes from

now I support this side so it goes from like I like this idea I like this um

like I like this idea I like this um person now I'm adopting this belief and

person now I'm adopting this belief and now me having this belief makes me a

now me having this belief makes me a certain type of person so now it's about

certain type of person so now it's about identity I am morally Superior I'm

identity I am morally Superior I'm intellectually Superior because I have

intellectually Superior because I have these ideas that's dangerous that's very

these ideas that's dangerous that's very very dangerous and the greatest and this

very dangerous and the greatest and this is coming from the guy who

is coming from the guy who teaches Sops and and brainwashing and

teaches Sops and and brainwashing and stuff the greatest deception in modern

stuff the greatest deception in modern history is convincing people that issues

history is convincing people that issues are about left or right or conservative

are about left or right or conservative versus liberal or democrat versus

versus liberal or democrat versus Republican it's not we just like let's

Republican it's not we just like let's go let's use this example of us

go let's use this example of us Aid uh I got called onto the news uh two

Aid uh I got called onto the news uh two days ago to comment on the stuff that's

days ago to comment on the stuff that's going on like what's the behavior behind

going on like what's the behavior behind all of this and they're raiding this

all of this and they're raiding this usaid building and these U Democratic

usaid building and these U Democratic mostly Democratic Congress people out

mostly Democratic Congress people out there screaming and yelling and

there screaming and yelling and protesting and saying they're destroying

protesting and saying they're destroying the country and all this stuff they're

the country and all this stuff they're asking me to comment on this and they're

asking me to comment on this and they're like because they're it's a narrative

like because they're it's a narrative based media right so it's they have a

based media right so it's they have a they have a narrative and they're asking

they have a narrative and they're asking me to go down that narrative and it's a

me to go down that narrative and it's a left versus right narrative which

left versus right narrative which doesn't exist it does not exist I

doesn't exist it does not exist I promise you it does not exist and the

promise you it does not exist and the more you learn about psychology

more you learn about psychology brainwashing and behavior the more you

brainwashing and behavior the more you realize that is an illusion it's an

realize that is an illusion it's an illusion so what I said to this news

illusion so what I said to this news anchor was that you're focusing all

anchor was that you're focusing all these people that are screaming and loud

these people that are screaming and loud and protesting and that's great cuz when

and protesting and that's great cuz when corruption is being pointed out and

corruption is being pointed out and people are screaming about it that might

people are screaming about it that might be where you need to focus some

be where you need to focus some attention maybe they're upset about

attention maybe they're upset about these babies that are saved I'm sure

these babies that are saved I'm sure there's some programs that got cut that

there's some programs that got cut that were beneficial

were beneficial positive um but you have to be able to

positive um but you have to be able to see that from both sides there's good

see that from both sides there's good and there's bad if you can't see good

and there's bad if you can't see good and bad something is wrong you need that

and bad something is wrong you need that needs to set off a huge alarm in your

needs to set off a huge alarm in your head

head but they focus on all these people

but they focus on all these people screaming and throwing fits and stuff

screaming and throwing fits and stuff but what about on the other side of the

but what about on the other side of the aisle you need to focus on the people

aisle you need to focus on the people that are very quiet that all of a sudden

that are very quiet that all of a sudden something changed and they just got very

something changed and they just got very very quiet and that is that's the truth

very quiet and that is that's the truth so this is true this is true but where's

so this is true this is true but where's the

the truth so there's two things that are

truth so there's two things that are true right can I see good can I see bad

true right can I see good can I see bad and do I realize that the greatest

and do I realize that the greatest deception that I will never fall for

deception that I will never fall for again we make that agreement I will

again we make that agreement I will never fall for this again in believing

never fall for this again in believing that everything is about right versus

that everything is about right versus left there's good in both there's bad in

left there's good in both there's bad in both and if you can't see it something

both and if you can't see it something is

is wrong we're at time brother all right

wrong we're at time brother all right and that's perfect

and that's perfect ending all right where can people find

ending all right where can people find you

you uh type me into Google or NCI is the

uh type me into Google or NCI is the system that I teach neurocognitive

system that I teach neurocognitive intelligence okay NCI do University and

intelligence okay NCI do University and um and your YouTube's linked to that or

um and your YouTube's linked to that or like yeah YouTube YouTube following yeah

like yeah YouTube YouTube following yeah yeah okay we've got a huge YouTube

yeah okay we've got a huge YouTube following and I've got a YouTube channel

following and I've got a YouTube channel of my own that helps to expose scops and

of my own that helps to expose scops and shows you how to do a lot of these

shows you how to do a lot of these techniques one step by step and I've

techniques one step by step and I've even got some stuff there to help you

even got some stuff there to help you start unzipping that little ego costume

start unzipping that little ego costume hell yeah save me a spot in that Austin

hell yeah save me a spot in that Austin retreat we'll do man I'm so in dude this

retreat we'll do man I'm so in dude this has been epic it's fun you're yeah

has been epic it's fun you're yeah you're rad man so fun yeah I can't wait

you're rad man so fun yeah I can't wait can't wait to see you again do another

can't wait to see you again do another one and just yeah get to know you better

one and just yeah get to know you better so thanks brother yeah thanks for having

so thanks brother yeah thanks for having me on yeah hell yeah

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Behavioral Expert Chase Hughes on The Art of Influence: From Military Intelligence to Mind Mastery