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I was 23 years old and I asked myself a

question. Why do some people walk or

talk, some people live their life? Why

do some people do what they say and

others don't? I want to know the answer

to that. People talk about I sabotage.

I've never seen sabotage. Impulsive,

compulsive, addictive behaviors are

compensations for unfulfilled highest values.

values.

What is the direct cost of living life

in this state of unawareness?

In a nutshell, entropy, which we call

illness. But our intuition, it is trying

to whisper to us the side that we're

ignoring. Now, what I've done is I've

developed systems of asking questions to

help us see the part that we've

overlooked. I now ask the question, now

you get to be authentic and you get to

know thyself. You get to be yourself.

You get to love yourself. When you can't

wait to get up in the morning and do

something extremely inspiring and

meaningful, you're not distracted by

immediate gratification cuz you're now

focusing on long-term vision. So if you

don't fill your day with high priority

actions that inspire you, you'll

automatically shrink your space and time

horizons for a quick fix. So what you

say means very little. What your life

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Hey everyone, welcome back to the know

podcast. Our guest today is a renowned

human behavior expert, international

best seller, author, speaker, someone

who has supported millions of people

move beyond confined and limiting

beliefs that that hold them back in

life. And our last conversation was

incredible. I loved it so much and you

guys really really resonated with it as

well. So I am so pleased to have back

Dr. John D. Martini. Thank you for

coming back.

Thank you for having me.

I'd like to dive right in. you've spoken

to throughout your work about this

hidden order behind all life throughout

the cosmos and the human developmental

journey and behind every experience,

every judgment, every perception, there

is a hidden order waiting to be

realized. Uh could you set the framework

for what you feel that is so that we can

see how it might support us in living a

more fulfilled human experience?

What a great question to start off with.

There were two gentlemen that came from

MIT that created information theory

and there was another named Claude

Shannon who took that and kind of put it

out on the map.

He basically said that disorder is or

randomness was missing information and

and

the order was the reclaiming of that information.

information.

Another mathematician

um Steven Wolfrom said that

most of us have a computational boundary

and our ability to identify information

that's missing and therefore we tend to

see things from a chaotic disordered perspective.

perspective.

But if we can ask questions since the

quality of our lives is based on the

questions we ask. If we can ask

questions that make us conscious of what

was unconscious

and reclaim the information that we

think is missing, which is not, but we

think it is because we're unconscious of

it because we filter it out with

subjective bias.

And we access that information.

We can reclaim and discover the hidden

order in the apparent chaos.

So, I'll use an analogy.

You have to tell me when to stop cuz

I'll keep going.

Keep rolling.

You meet somebody

that you're attracted to.

Your amigdula assigns a veilency to it

as a positive experience. Pray something

you want to consume and eat. So you have

an impulse to seek it out. And

And

because in order to survive we needed

false positives to assume that that was

prey instead of assuming it's not or

predator instead of assuming it's not.

We heir on the idea that it is more

positive than negative or more negative

than positive. We tend to skew and bias

our interpretation of reality. So if we

see something that we're attracted to,

we become conscious of the positives and

unconscious the negatives. Whatever

we're unconscious of is missing information.

information.

We're asleep. We're unawwake.

We're not seeing it.

So if we infatuate with something or

admire something or seek something,

we're partly blind to the downsides of

The same thing on reverse. If we see

something that we think is uh more

predator and we're conscious of the

downside, unconscious of the upsides, we

skew again on with false positives. And

to do that primarily because we need to

be able to run faster than the prey and

run faster than the predator to survive.

So as a survival mechanism, we skew our

interpretation of reality and we become

conscious and unconscious.

conscious of the positives, unconscious

the negatives, or conscious of the

negatives, unconscious the positives.

And each time we do that, we're now in

our amiga seeking or avoiding and

storing that information in our hippocampus

hippocampus

um as episodic memories of something

that we can not starve by and something

we can escape and something we can not

be eaten by.

So, as long as we have these skewed

views, we're missing information. We're

not seeing the whole.

A day, a week, a month, a year, 5 years

later, after we capture this prey, this

this person we're admiring, we start to

discover some of the downsides that we

didn't see initially.

And the same thing, what we thought was

terrible a day, a week, a month, a year,

5 years later, we can look back and go,

I'm so grateful I had that experience.

seemed terrible initially but it

actually gave me a catalyst for in

independence or innovation or something.

So our first interpretation can be

skewed and we can misinformation and be

unconscious of part of it and therefore

we see chaos. We see the disorder and

we're caught in a kind of a cyclic

oscillation in our perceptions and actions.

actions.

But our intuition, which is nothing but

negative feedback systems in our brain

trying to make us see the whole so we

can be fully conscious and awakened and enlightened

enlightened

uh and love. It is trying to whisper to

us the side that we're ignoring when

we're infatuated or resentful or seeking

or avoiding. And so it is constantly

trying to bring into our conscious

awareness the part we're unconscious of

Now, what I've done is I've developed

systems of asking questions that are

prompted by what we have inside our

intuition to help us see the part that

we've overlooked and become fully

conscious. And when we do, we discover

what I call the hidden order. It was

only hidden from our conscious

awareness. The order was there the whole time.

time.

We could call it the implicate order if

we use David Bow's terms. We could call

the divine order if we use theological terms,

terms,

but it's basically where we realize that

at our full conscious awareness,

nothing's missing.

But in our

personas, our mass, our imposttor

syndromes, we have information that's

missing. So disorder means missing

information. Reclaiming that information

allows us to see the hidden order, the

meaning behind things. We impose and

project false meanings on things

initially. This is good. This is bad.

And we get trapped in moral hypocrisies.

But once we go probing deeper and

discovering the information that's

missing, we find the true golden mean,

the real meaning behind things. And it's

a synthesis and synchronicity of the

complimentary opposites. And we have by

definition love. I always say love is

the synthesis synchronicity of all

complimentary opposites. All the unity

of opposites that Heraclitus described.

And so

asking questions and become cognizant of

and trusting our intuition which

sometimes meditation can you know

percolate and bring to the surface and

then you're now clear and aware and you

don't have noise and static. You have

the channel of the signal of the soul,

you might say, coming through. And when

you do that, you have a glimpse of

knowing yourself. You have a glimpse of

not because if you put somebody on a

pedestal and are attracted to them,

you'll tend to minimize yourself, which

is inauthenticity. And if you put

somebody in the pit and exaggerate

yourself, you're inauthentic. But if

you're able to be fully conscious of

both sides and have pure reflective

awareness, which is a true intimacy with

the universe and now you get to be

authentic and you get to know thyself,

you get to be yourself. You get to love

yourself. and the hidden order. I I

really believe that the symptoms of our

physiology, psychology, sociology, and

even theological feedback, business

feedback is nothing more than a feedback

to guide us back to knowing the truth

about ourel, our authentic self, where

we have sustainable fair exchange with

other people instead of trying to get

something for nothing for narcissism or

trying to give something for nothing for

altruism. Both of which are skewed

interpretations of reality. So I' I

would much rather um use the feedback

from the universe and become more

consciously aware and ask quality

questions and become aware of the whole

because aware of the whole uh balances

out the autonomic nervous system,

balances out the brain waves, takes the

delta from the parasympathetic and the

beta from the sympathetic and puts it

into the alphatheta junction and then

all of a sudden initiates a gamma

synchronicity, a eureka moment, an aha

moment where are actually seeing the

whole and we have tears of gratitude

because we've now access now the hidden order.

order.

Sign me up. So

this is something that I feel very

called and have for a while in my life

to experience life as it is to see

people as they are to not be so

identified through the lens and

cognitive bias of my own rosecolored

tinted glasses to see people uh as who

they are for how I want them to show up

instead of who they are in this moment.

And so for those that strive to live

with the cognizance of this hidden order

to like you said become a being who is

in love which is the recognition the

synthesis and synchronization of

complimentary opposites which you

mentioned to have our first impressions

upon life. How have you trained yourself

to be aware of the upside and the

downside the the complimentary

opposites? Um, ho how have you

cultivated your perception to be able to

live from that place where you're seeing

life in a more objective sense?

I don't want to mislead people in

thinking that I stay there.

How have you made progress?

I don't even know if it's progress. I

I'm going to reframe that.

Okay. Um,

Socrates was considered a wise

individual, but he

spoofed that cuz he said, "I know nothing."

nothing."

And what he was really saying is when

you infatuate with somebody, you really

don't know who they are. You're blind to

the downsides. When you resent somebody,

you don't really know who they are.

You're blind to the upsides.

But when you actually get to see both

sides simultaneously as Wilhelm want

called the law of contrast

simultaneously and you have the tears of

gratitude and feel love for somebody you

get to know yourself. You only have

certainty when you imbalance both sides simultaneously.

simultaneously. So

I have moments where I know

but whatever I know what I don't know is

always an infinite. What I know is

always a finite. It's an infantessimal.

So I you have to live as Einstein said

in holy curiosity to continually embrace

the next mystery. You have the history

of what you know, but you have the

mystery of what's to come. And even if

you're present and you're not in the

state of time, you still have the

mysteries of what's unknown because no

matter what you conceive in your

infinitude, it's still finite because

it's only what we know today.

So I would say enlightenment is a

relative term more so than I'm now

enlightened. I would consider myself a

relatively aware individual. That's it.

Now each time I go into the next

mystery, I'm now confronted by the polarities.

polarities.

And uh so I don't have this idea that I

stay there or I'm mostly there cuz I'm

if you're growing, you're continually

confronting your next mystery. And if

you're not, you're stagnant. you're not

really pushing yourself or allowing

yourself to emerge.

So, I don't want to give the impression

that, you know, I'm any different than

anybody else because I don't think that

would be fair to people because then it

would make it think, well, I need to be

like that or and make people look up or

down at people. I don't find that productive.

productive.

So, but I do when I am confronted with

that, I have accumulated a series of

questions because the questions I ask

are make me more conscious of things

that I'm overlooking.

So I hold myself accountable by the

questions. So if I now I'm confronted by

something that I think well oh wow

that's amazing or or yeah I don't like

that and I put a a spin on it and I and

I put a moral illusion on it or

something then I will watch my

physiology respond by a seeking

avoidance response. I'm now in my

amydala. I'm not in my executive center.

I'm not self-governed. I'm not knowing

myself. I'm distorting myself by the law

of contrast to things that I'm

exaggerating or minimizing around me. So

then I just if I find it's mild and it's

not really perturbing me, I may just be

patient and pass through it. If I find

that it's now distracting and occupying

space and time in a mind, I may then

address the questions and pull them out,

maybe even on a piece of paper, and

start asking the questions to help me

look at what I'm overlooking.

Our physiology

is an amazing feedback.

So if you are infatuated with something

and are attracted to it and impulsively

seeking it and it occupies space and

time your mind and is stored in the

hippocampus which creates the

existential world we live in because

it's putting things in space and time

which makes us existential.

um that occupation of space and time in

the mind. That intrusive thought at

night when you're sleeping preoccupies

your mind and it clouds the clarity of

the mind. So when you're sleeping, it's

a bit disturbing. The same thing if

you're resentful, if you're highly

resentful to something, it's hard to

sleep. Highly infatuate, it's hard to

sleep. So the insomnic,

you know, responses that we have at

night are letting us know that we have a

skewed subjectively interpretation of

reality and we're not seeing things

whole and objective. And so it's guiding

us to ask the questions to counterbalance

counterbalance

um the content that's occupying our mind

to help us stabilize ourselves. And and

the second we're back to being

ourselves, we sleep soundly.

And the same thing if if uh we polarize

our perception and we're seeking

something now, we fear its loss. And if

we're trying to avoid something, now we

fear its gain. So insomnia is basically

a culmination of the accumulation of the

fear of losses and fear of gains. I

always say the master lives in a world

of transformation and resiliency and the

masses live in the illusions of gain and

loss. So when we have that we have all

this noise and when I when I am aware

that I do that I will then bring up the

questions and hold myself accountable to

bring back the balance sheet and and see

things as it is um instead of as it is

perceived. You know it was David Hume

the Scottish philosopher who when he was

studying uh values he said there's is

and there's ought and when we and the

Gita said as it is verse as it's not and

so what we do is we go through and we

sometimes get in indoctrinated and

inculcated uh injected values by outer

authorities or normative deontological

belief systems that this is the way it

should be ought to be supposed to be got

to be have to you need to be etc.

instead of what it is. And so if I find

myself hearing imperative language

inside me uh directed towards me or

directed towards others, I know that I'm

in an imposttor syndrome and I know it's

time to ask the questions to equilibrate

to mine and bring myself to what is

because what is is the magnificence and

hidden order of the universe. It's

always there waiting for us to become

aware of it but we tend to impose our

distortions on it. uh only to create our

symptomatology as a feedback to guide us

back to seeing what is because the

magnificence of what is far exceeds any

of the fantasies we impose on it.

Would you mind sharing a question or two

of those? Sure.

Sure. Um,

Um,

let's say that I meet somebody that I

admire and look up to and I infatuate

and I'm too humbled to admit what I see

in them is inside me and I think they

have figured something or known

something either intellectually or in

business or in finance or in

relationship or in social settings or

social savvy or physical fitness or

spiritual awareness or whatever. I have

the illusion that there's something missing

missing

at the level of the soul. Well,

nothing's missing. You have pluromic

fulfillment at the level of the senses.

Things appear to be missing and you have

canomic emptiness and unfulfillment. So,

if I have a moment where I I'm too

humble that to see what I see in them, I

immediately ask, what specific trait,

action or inaction, do I perceive this

individual displaying or demonstrating

that I admire, look up to, or seek most?

And I pinpoint the components. It may be multiple

multiple

and they may be composite traits or

singular traits. I identify what that

is. So it's not nebulous.

I just identify it. And then I ask the

second question. All right, John. Go to

a moment where and when you perceive

yourself displaying or demonstrating the

same specific trait, action or inaction,

and identify where it was, when it was.

So I'm activating the hippocampus and uh

to whom it was so I get the direction

and location and who perceived me so I

can have reflection and transparency and

identify that where I've done it when

I've done it until the quantity and

quality are completely equal and there's

no question I'm certain that I have

reflective awareness again and instead

of having deflective awareness where I'm

too humble I'm now reflective awareness

and I realize that it was a projection

of me just like it said in Romans 2:1 in

the New Testament, uh, when you judge

other people, beware. You've done the

same thing. You're pointing a finger.

It's you. But that works not only on

things you dislike, but things you like,

things you despise and admire. So, I go

in there and I hold myself accountable

until I see that. And then I even did a

preemptive strike 41 years ago. I did

preemptive strike by going to the Oxford

English dictionary and identifying all

possible traits found in the dictionary

inside me. So I didn't have to wait and

react by a, you know, a a reaction from

hindsight. I could proactively

identify all those traits inside me to

realize that nothing's missing in me.

But still occasionally I'll get it from

an angle that I haven't identified.

If I do that and I own that, I soften

some of the judgment.

My reflective awareness goes up. I'm

more poised.

And then I asked the next question

because if I was under the assumption

that there were more positives and

negatives that I admired.

Admire means to get close and look at. I

want to get close and look to it. I um I

now ask the question go to the moment

exactly where and when I perceive this

individual displaying or demonstrating

the specific trait that I admire most

and at that moment what are the

downsides so I can strengthen my

intuition and become aware of what I

overlooked. What are the downsides

spiritually? What are the downsides?

Intellectually the downsides business,

finance, family, social, physical. I go

through and hold myself accountable to

identify where I see the downsides to

balance it because otherwise if I don't

I'm going to have my my veency for my

amigdula run me instead of my executive

center where I see things objectively

instead of seeing things as it is with

both sides I'm seeing it as it is it

being interpreted as it I think it

should be and in the process of doing it

once I get the quantity of the downsides

equaling the upsides and it is neither

positive nor negative. I get a tear of

gratitude to realize that there was the

hidden order sitting there the whole

time and I had been you know that I had

skewed and distorted the reality and got

caught in my illusion. I then go another question.

question.

I then go go to a moment John back to

where and when you do it because if you

perceive them having a trait you admired

that means you were proud

of yourself when you did it and pride is

your imposttor syndrome it's not who you

are pride is an exaggeration of who you

are so I go back to where I perceive

myself doing it and take each of the

individuals I did it to and each of the

individuals who perceive me doing it and

I find out the downsides to them and I

don't allow myself to speculate. I only

look at ones that I'm certain about of

the downsides to them. To calm down my

pride for self-government purposes and

allow myself to see that the only reason

I was admiring them is because I was

actually proud of myself and they're

bringing it out of me and that's why but

I'm too humble at that moment to admit

that I'm storing that pride and they're

now reflecting and bring it to my

service. So they came into my life to

help me realize of my imposttor, my

exaggeration myself. And when I

exaggerate myself, I tend to project my

values onto other people and expect them

to live in my values, which is futile.

It's nonsustainable. So I go in there

and I find out how it served the people

that I did it to through each episode

that I can identify that I listed to

balance it and who perceived it. because

sometimes your pride is not from who you

did things to, but you did it in front

of people that perceived it. Once I get

those level, um it's quite different in

how I interpret what's going on. But I

go don't stop there. I start asking the

question now go to a moment where and

when I perceive them demonstrating that

trait again, I ask who are they

demonstrating it to? In this case, me or

it could be somebody else. And now I go

and ask where and when do they display

the exact opposite trait to the same

individual. So I break my label because

sometimes we go through and build labels

and say well they're always that way or

most of the time they're that way. So I

go in there and counterbalance it and

hold myself accountable to find out

where they are displaying the opposite

trait, the anti-rait.

Because when you do things that support

people's values, they respond one way.

And you do something that challenge your

values, they can respond completely

opposite. You support my values, I can

be nice as a pussycat. You challenge my

values, I can be mean as a tiger. So, I

b make sure that I hold myself

accountable to rebalance the equation on

what I perceive in them. Or otherwise,

I'm still holding on to a skewed view

that they're more they're this and I put

a label on people instead of love

people. When I do that, um, I'm already

now in a different frame. I'm more fully

aware. My intu intuition has been

strengthened because I've honored it by

the question. But I have another

question I ask. Go to the moment where

and when you perceive this individual

displaying and demonstrating the trait

that you admired most. You there at that

moment. Where are you? When are you?

What exactly are they doing? Again, make

sure you're really clear on it. What is

the context? You're in a dynamic. You're

not a victim. you've done something to

initiate that response. Maybe you were

proud and maybe resilient, resistant to

them. Maybe you challenged their idea.

Maybe that's why they were critical to

you maybe or praised you or something.

You identify what that is. You look at

who they did it to, which is you. And

now you go at that moment, you close

your eyes and you get access to what is

called the anti-memory in the brain. And

you find out who is doing exactly the

opposite, real or virtual, one or many,

male or female, close or distant.

And you find out who is actually doing

the opposite because the mind will never

have a perception without the opposite

perception to counterbalance the brain

to keep the excitation and inhibition

ratios in the brain in equilibrium. So

it'll create a virtual or real

situation. So I make sure I find out

where that is. So I realized now there's

the hidden order there that that

whatever my perception is I couldn't

perceive. No phenomenal perceptions can

occur without contrast. So I then

identify where was the opposite because

that perception required an opposite in

order to perceive. If you infatuate with

something you have to resent its

opposite and you have to be aware of

that in order to even perceive it in the

first place. So I make myself fully

aware of both of those. And when I do,

there's a gamma synchronicity. The

autonomics come into balance. There's a

resilience and adaptability. And I'm now

in a more authentic state because I'm

not seeing the skewed view. I'm seeing

what's actually there. Actuality, not

reality. Self-actualization, if you want

Then I go to another question. I got 80

of these. I can keep going. I have

another question. go to the moment where

and when I perceive them demonstrating

the trait again. And in that moment, the

only reason I admired it is because in

the past when somebody does the opposite behavior,

behavior,

I'm avoiding that. I've associated pain

in my hippocampus with it. So that's why

I'm admiring that trait. So I go in

there and ask if at that moment they had

done exactly the opposite behavior, the

very thing I would not want them to do

at the moment I admired them. What would

been the benefit? And I stack up the

benefits of that in that moment if they

had done the opposite trait. No

speculations. I only look for benefits

I'm certain about. I stack up the

benefits to break my wound, which is

making me now label that an admirable

trait and making me too humbled to admit

that where I've done it because our

amigula tends to want to be addicted to

pride and fantasy and wants to be

subdicted away from shame and nightmare.

It's just the way the miga does for

survival purposes. So, I go in there and

I I crack the the opposite, the

nightmare, and I find the benefits of

that. And when I do, I realize that

there's nothing to change. My instead of

me having a desire to change me relative

to them because I'm infatuate and

admiring them, I have no desire to

change anything. My human will now

matches what is or divine will or the

hidden order. And now I realize I'm now

poised and all the noise in the brain's

gone and now I'm clear and I'm now in a

state of presence. And so I would I use

the tool to ask those questions. Those

are seven questions. But I can go even

further. I can go in there and ask what

I the next question and go to the moment

when where they did that and at that

exact moment that they did the action.

Um where were they in time? Well, in

other words, if they were if they're

doing something I'm admiring, are they

doing something that is admiring about

what they're going to do in the future

or what they did in the past? I can put

a temporal component on it. And since

temporal has entanglement, just like

space has entanglement, I can then go

and find out when I'm doing uh the

question on who's doing the opposite, I

can find out where they're doing it. And

I have done this enough to know that if

you're admiring something about what

they're about to do in the future,

you're actually despising something

about what somebody did in the past to

counterbalance it to make sure your mind

is present. Your brain is constantly

trying to keep temporal in entanglement

where memory and imaginations are

counterbalancing each other to make sure

you're present. So I I go through and I

ask these questions. Like I said, I

could do 80 of them, but those are the

first eight.

I love seeing the way your mind works

and and deciphering and uh creating

depth around the context in which the

qualities emerge and the traits emerge

that you admire, despise and what you

perceive in your surroundings. You

mentioned how The masses will live in

this illusion of gain and loss. What is

the direct practical cost of living life

in this state of unawareness?

In a nutshell, entropy, the arrow of time,

time, aging,

aging,

and epigenetically and autonomically

induced symptomatology to try to guide

them back, which we call illness.

Sounds like like death. uh entropy Frank

Tipler called nega entropy life physics

and entropy death physics we usually

call it death physics in physics

death physics

because it's going towards dissipation

and heat uh death and yeah it's it's a

pessimistic death physics instead of

negropy which is Irwin Schroinger's term

for life physics

and so then in living in accordance with

life physics what have you seen as what

becomes available to you energetically

def uh redefining what the aging process

quote unquote is.

You just said it. You have a you have

more vitality. Whenever you're living in

your executive center in your med

prefrontal cortex, your mitochondria are

more likely to duplicate and more likely

to give more energy. The oxidative

fossilization process is enhanced.

Whenever you're in your amygdala, you

get cell death and danger responses and

mitochondria are shut down. So, your

vitality and your energy levels go up.

Um and um your immortality goes up

because you're present.

As Deepo used to say, a timeless mind

aids this body. You have less literally

physiological entropy.

You're every time you infatuate with

something and activate a parasympathetic

response or resent something and

activate a sympathetic response, a rest

and digest because you want to consume

it and anabolically grow. The other one

you want to avoid it and you know

catabolically decay. Both of those

mechanisms create epigenetic responses

of acetylation and methylation and they

induce responses of mitosis or

apoptosis. And anytime those those two

systems get out of balance, we have an

illness. So illness is nothing more than

a feedback mechanism to guide us. If

we're conscious and know what applied

physiology means, it's guiding us back

to the center to try to help us live as

you described where you know yourself.

We have no sense of who you are. And um

and the profoundness of who you are uh

is more profound than I think we can comprehend.

Our computational boundaries limit us

from our awareness of who we really are. Yeah.

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Another phenomena that pulls us away

from our center, which I've heard you

speak to many times, is the comparative

phenomena when especially in the age we

live, we have more stimulus and

opportunities for this now maybe more

than ever through social media where

we're doing we it's such a disservice to

live life swimming against the own tide

of how our intelligence wants to express

itself and trying to be secondhand

versions of other people. And I've heard

you mention the quote which I love also

from Einstein about how everyone's a

genius, but if you judge a fish by its

ability to climb a tree, it's going to

think it's stupid. And so for you, who's

someone who's so clearly defined their

values, what's most meaningful,

prioritizing that in their life, living

in alignment with how life's

intelligence wants to move through you,

so to speak. Can you speak to the

importance of recognizing how uh like

our own unique intelligence and genius

and living in accordance with that not

comparing to other people?

Well, each individual and I may have

mentioned this on that our previous one.

Each individual lives by a hierarchy of

values, a set of priorities.

And somebody asked me just this weekend

at my breakthrough experience program,

well, how do those come about? So maybe

let me develop that and tie these together.

together.

Anytime you put somebody on a pedestal

and minimize yourself by the law of contrast

and you are too humble to admit what you

see in them is inside you, you have a

disowned part,

a missing part, a deflected part, or as

Plato called it, a dismembered part

that leaves you feeling an emptiness.

Which is why anytime you judge, you feel

That's the conscious enamoration.

But you have an unconscious despise of

that opposite at the same moment. In

fact, you can't even admire something

without despising its opposite

simultaneously. But one you're conscious

of the other one you're unconscious of.

When you're despising something, you're

too proud to admit what you see in them

is inside you. And you are

disowning that part, dismembering that

part and deflecting that part.

When you do, you have now an emptiness

and a void. So every time you judge, you

create emptiness.

The Gnost called that can unfulfillment emptiness.

emptiness.

But those voids of what you judge that

you have incomplete awareness about are

also great feedback mechanisms because

they're letting you know what you

haven't loved and giving you an

opportunity to love.

It's an intelligent design.

It's an intelligent feedback.

Empedicles, the guy that created the

cosmogonic cycle of the descent of the

soul into incarnation and the

resurrection of the soul back in it,

which most theologies of the Abrahamic

religions were emerging from.

He believed that there was the four

elements, fire, air, water, and air, and

earth, and the synthesis of that, which

was the ether. And if they're all

unified, you have love. But if they are

dispersed entropically,

they're now creating strife or judgment.

So anytime we disperse and separate the

inseparables, divide the indivisibles,

label the unlabelables, polarize the

unpolarizables, you know, and name the

ineffables as if these are actual

and create these polarities of judgment

as if they're isolated from each other.

Instead of synthesizing,

we create judgment and emptiness. And

that emptiness

is what gives rise to our hierarchy of values.

values.

And a hierarchy of values particularly

our highest value the end in mind the

telos as Aristotle called it where the

existential world ends and the essential

self and soul emerges. That highest

value is the most efficient and

effective pathway dharmic pathway to

fulfill the greatest amount of voids

with the greatest amount of value.

Therefore, giving us pluro, as the

gnostic said, fullness

where nothing's missing. We're now

seeing things as they are because in

actuality there's nothing missing. And

just in our reality of our senses, which

deal with contrast and incomplete

awareness and biases, do we have that?

So, it's our voids that determine our

values. It's our judgment determines

what our hierarchy of values actually

is. And that's unique to each individual

because they no two people have the same

vantage point. The uncertainty principle

of Heisenberg says that no two can

occupy the same no two quantum numbers

can be exactly the same in the same

spaceime. So what we do is we have individualized

individualized

ourself and our experiences which give

rise to our voids and our judgments that

then give rise to the hierarchy of our

values. And a hierarchy of values is

dictating how we perceive, decide, and

act to make us aware of what we've

overlooked. And to be able to go to an

objective state where we're neutral,

where we're not judging, and in the

moment we're not judging and loving and

seeing both sides simultaneously, the

voids are dissolved and we have moment

of fulfillment. And that's grace.

Because when we're in this judgment

state, we're trying to change ourselves

to be like somebody else or trying to

change others to be like us, which is

dissipative and nonsustainable and

futile. But the second we actually bring

those into equilibrium and see the

fullness, there's nothing to change. And

now we have maximum simplicity as the

hermetics teach. And we now have

sustainable fair exchange because we're

all equal. We're not seeing any

difference. and we have maximum utility

and that's where we have the most

fulfillment and we've made a difference

without even doing anything but being

What would you say is the most direct

inquiry one could employ in their life

to discover what that is for them?

Well, I use my value determination

process. I look at what their life demonstrates

demonstrates

to find out what is most meaningful and

fulfilling and purposeful for them.

What happens if their life is

demonstrating things that really

actually don't have much meaning to them?

them?

Actually, that's their misperception. Um,

Um,

I'd like to address that because that's

a very common thing out there. They

people talk about I sabotage. I've never

seen sabotage.

I've seen people who don't really know

what is their life is demonstrating as

valuable to them who are now comparing

themselves to other people, putting

people on pedestals, trying to be second

to being somebody else, injecting the

values of those people into their lives

and thinking it should be this when

their actual life is demonstrating a

hierarchy of values and they're living

by it, but they're not honoring it.

Can you give me an example of that?

Yeah. Um, it happens every week. People

say, "Well, I really say I want to be

wealthy. I want to be I want to be

abundantly wealthy. I want to have, you

know, more money at the end of my month

and money at money month at the end of

my money." But the hierarchy of their

values doesn't have deferred

gratification and asset accumulation to

allow them to have the passive income

for what they say they want. They have a

higher value on buying consumables that

depreciate. and their life's values show

that these things are more important

than the deferred gratification and

wealth accumulation. So then they beat

themselves up and they think I keep

sabotaging my finances and no matter

what I do I can't get ahead and what

they actually are saying they want

what they actually are demonstrating

they want two different things so many

people don't know themselves that's why

this is so important they don't know

themselves they think they do but what

they've done is they've inculcated and

injected the values of outer authorities

that they admire into their life and

clouded the clarity of their own highest

value and mission and then they're

basically claiming that something's

important to them when their life

doesn't demonstrate it. Your life

demonstrates what you value. Every

decision you make, every you know

perception, decision, action you take is

based on what you value. So what you say

means very little. What your life

demonstrates means everything.

So what happens when someone's life is

demonstrating that they really value

dopamineergic impulses? They just follow

from pleasure to pleasure, compulsive

thing to compulsive thing. Uh that their

their behavior is de demonstrating that

they value quick hits, quick dopamine

hits, and yet there is a deeper sense

there are deeper values that are perhaps

underneath the current level of their

awareness that they could discover. So

how how do you help delineate between

what someone's behaviors are in this

moment which might say I value

you know food, sex, and sleep and an

abundance of it versus there's actually

deeper values that I still have yet to discover.

discover. Impulsive,

Impulsive,

compulsive, immediate gratifying,

addictive behaviors are compensations

for unfulfilled highest values.

So what I do is I ask that even though

they're doing the behavior with their

amigdula and they're looking for

immediate gratification if I go and find

out what are the benefits they're

getting out of it because they wouldn't

be doing it. No, no one moves a muscle

without a motive. Even a pictor has said

that even the terrorist believes they're

doing the greatest good.

Yeah. Yeah. Hitler thought he was doing

God's work.

Exactly. He thought he was doing whatski

thought was the the purian stock. Right. So,

So,

uh, I go in there and I help them

identify what their unconscious motives

are for their behavior.

What they find is there's an underlying

value that's really important to them,

but they don't have strategies to be

able to fulfill that. And the

unfulfillment that's coming is making

them back in their amigdula. So, I can

still identify what their values are

that transcend what looks like their

immediate gratification.

And finding that is liberating because I

had I'll use an example. I had a

gentleman that um a consultant that

asked me to intervene on one of his clients

clients

and it was a gentleman who just sold a

company just about a year earlier and

generated about a $750 million net to himself.

himself.

And since he's sold his company, his

drinking has skyrocketed. I mean, he's

basically staying drunk most the day,

drinking 20some drinks at least a day

and staying kind of slouchous or

whatever it is throughout the day. And

so, no matter what this guy is trying to

do and consulting with him, he can't get

him to stop. He's just he's not productive.

productive.

So, I asked him when did he increase his

drinking. He said, "Well, since I've

sold the business." I said, um, you sold

the business because you burned out from

talking to him, burned out on doing

actions in there that were not

meaningful and inspiring to you that you

had once delegated and then all of a

sudden the person you delegated to that

was getting it done wasn't there and

then you got burned out because you were

now having to do something that was

uninspiring so you decided to sell it.

But what you really love to do was doing

deals. He was a dealmaker and uh as long

as he's doing deals, preparing for the

deals, he doesn't drink. And when he's

doing the deals, there's no drinking.

He's doing the deal. So, what we did is

we got him to the company he sold. He

went back to the person that he sold the

company to and said, "If I do some deals

for you, because I still got

connections. If I did deals for you,

could I get a fair cut and make you make

sure you make even more profit and help

you grow the business and I have no

intention of taking over and starting a

competitive business or whatever? And

the guy said, "I can't argue with that.

Absolutely." The second he got into

something that was extremely meaningful,

high in his values, deeply meaningful,

very inspiring,

um his drinking went way down. is he

might have a drink, but he didn't get

sloshed because he had something he

couldn't wait to get up in the morning

and do. When you can't wait to get up in

the morning and do something extremely

inspiring and meaningful, you're not

distracted by immediate gratification

because you're now focusing on long-term

v vision. So, if you don't fill your day

with high priority actions that inspire

you and that help expand the space and

time horizons of your vision, you'll

automatically go into the amiga for

immediate gratification and shrink your

space and time horizons for a quick fix.

So it's an unfulfillment response. So

fill your day with high priority

actions. If I'm teaching, I love

teaching, right? I love researching

writing. If my day is filled with that,

I'm pretty inspired guy. If I'm not

doing that, I can find myself being

easily distracted. Distractions are the

impulses and instincts that the amiga

assigns veency to that capture our

attention that we admire or despise or

look up to or down on. And so our

judgments are a feedback mechanism to

let us know we're not being oursel.

Let me stop and really get that. That's

really significant.

Our judgments are symptoms of not being

oursel. Because when we're actually

being oursel, we're too inspired and

we're focused and inspired by what we're

doing and engage in doing something

that's in sustainable fair exchange with

other people and we transcend the

judgment world.

I think that's so powerful because we

often fall into the habit of judging and

shaming emotions we don't want to feel,

signals and judgments we don't want to

have in our experience. But you're

inviting the perspective that there's an

intelligent hidden order. There's a

design that is actually very useful and

necessary for you to come back into your

center into what you really value. So we

can perceive all of these challenging

experiences life actually with a lot of

grace and and gratitude.

They're on the way. Yeah.

Yeah.

Not in the way.

Yeah. I I I' I'd like to address this

just popped in my head. So

I have the opportunity to speak to all

different types of groups and a lot of

them are business entrepreneurs

and leaders that have ambitions. And the

word ambition means a condition of both

sidedness. Ambi ambidextrous.

If you can see both sides

simultaneously, you actually expand the

space and time horizons and accomplish

the most because you're objective.

But sometimes people with their amigdula

uh create a fantasy. A fantasy is a

positive without a negative. A nightmare

is a negative without a positive. So our

miga wants to avoid the nightmare and

seek the fantasy. It wants to avoid the

shame and seek the pride. So it's

constantly trying to look for advantage

over disadvantage, pleasure over pain.

It's hedonic.

So it's basically trying to set a a what

it thinks is a goal that has more

advantage and disadvantage, more

positives, negatives, more pleasures and

pains, more support than challenge. And

by doing it, it creates a fantasy. Our

intuition is designed to counterbalance

that to make us whole, to see things as

they are, not as we're skewing. So our

intuition brings up anxiety, fears,

phobias, to balance the filia. It

balances it with a phobia and a

nightmare and anxiety and doubt and

uncertainty and feelings of

self-sabotage and all those things. All

of those are important feedback systems

to let us know that we're not pursuing a

real objective. We're pursuing a fantasy.

fantasy.

So, we think it's a weakness, but it's

not. It's a it's a flawless response

to guide us to set real objectives,

not fantasies.

Now the ratios of goals can skew all the

way from a fantasy which is all positive

no negative fantasy illusion mania to an

objective which is a perfect balance of

positive negative and there's there's a

whole spectrum in between. The more

fantasy it is the more our nightmares

come to wake us up.

If it's up here, you get a little bit

less anxiety. But once you get to the

very top,

there's at the very top, there's no

anxiety because what strategic planning

in the executive center in the brain is

for, to mitigate the anxieties and to

calm and dampen the fantasies. The

executive center uses glutamate and

GABA, the facilitator inhibitory

transmitter, to neutralize whatever is

stimulated and inhibited in their

fantasy. So it's trying to calm it down.

Our intuition

is counterbalancing our gut impulse to

seek and our gut instinct to avoid. So

our intuition is a negative feedback.

Those are positive feedbacks that

dramatize and polarize. The intuition is

a negative feedback to neutralize and

bring things back into objectivity where

you see both sides. Imagine being in a

relationship with somebody and you

expected them to be positive, never

negative, happy, never sad, you know,

one-sided. They're never going to live

up to that. But when you expect them to

be a two-sided individual and to live

according to their own highest values,

you have a realistic expectation and can

have a fulfilling relationship. But if

not, you have a fantasy about who

they're going to be. They're going to be

more positive, negative, and they're

going to live in your values, not their

own. And these are distortions.

The same thing with goals. Just like in

relationships, we set goals that are not

really goals and objectives. They're

fantasies. And then we have anxieties.

Anxieties and fears and phobias are not

our enemy. I may people say, "You need

to get rid of that." No, they're there

very precisely and deconstructed there

to make sure that you're not going after

delusions and fantasies to set real

objectives. The executive center is

designed to strategically plan to

transform fantasies into objectives to

maximize the potential and actualization

of our potential so we can achieve. And

that's what ambition really is. The

ability to see both sides and have both

sides in the pursuit. When you are able

to embrace the p the pain and the

pleasure equally in the pursuit of some

purpose, you're not in your passions,

you're in your mission. You're not in

your sufferings, you're in your

servings. And that's what liberates

people from a lot of the frustrations in

It it makes me think how when someone

has a meaningful mission they've

declared in their life, how it changes

what they notice on the way and what uh

their the bandwidth for what they they

can they can take along the way.

Well, when they're when they're in their

amiga, things are more black and white.

When they're executive s things are more gray.

gray.

It's neither posit and negative here.

It's either positive negative here.

You've mentioned the amygdala and how

often we are living our life through the

perception of it uh many times

throughout this conversation. What what

do you feel like the path of evolution

is as a human being? Cuz I I I see the

sort of limbic lizard brain way of

operating through duality and gain and

loss and this like kind of old paradigm

that um we're here to live through. And

then like where are we going to as

what's possible within human

consciousness? I'm curious what your

thoughts are.

Well, this this leads to uh an

A lot of people like to promote an opium

of the future, which I try to debunk iconic.

iconic.

I'm an iconic class in that respect

because whatever you know, there's

always the next mystery. And with that

next mystery, you're going to use that

part of the brain again.

So, we're we're not going to get to a

point where we're done. I think that's I

mean, if you take the planet and you

take this little Earth and one

astronomical unit away is is the sun.

That's about 93 million miles. So, from

the sun, the Earth is almost iniccernible.

iniccernible.

And on the earth, it's spinning at about

800 to 1,000 miles an hour, you know, at

the equator. And on there is a guy

meditating there. And he's and he says,

"I I am I enlightened. I am enlightened.

I am enlightened. I'm enlightened. I'm

all aware." But to the sun, which is

this vast sun compared to this dot,

um it's almost undicernable.

Now, if we go from the sun 26 to 28,000

light years away,

186 miles a second, 864,000 seconds a

day, times 365

times 26,000.

If we go to the center of the Milky Way

and we sit in the the throat of the

Sagittary A black hole and we're looking

out from that and we're following

Hawking radiation to kind of look at the

Earth if we can imagine it. Uh we can't

see the sun. There's too much dust and

clouds. We can't see the Earth. So the

guy that's going around and says I'm I'm

enlightened. I'm enlightened. I'm

enlightened. that has a relative

awareness based on dogma that it's been

taught and observations and the

paradigms and dialectics and teachings

that they've accumulated through a

finite period of time of 72 to give or

take years.

Um it's a it's a relative indarkment.

Now we have a local group of of galaxies

and then we have the Virgo cluster. Then

we have the Lona supercluster and the

great attractor and that's part of a

filament of a bigger web in the cosmic

web of immensity.

And that's simply the observable

universe. And we don't even know what's

beyond the observable universe. We speculate.

speculate.

So whatever we know

and put it in perspective is as Socrates

said it's an infantessimma.

So we tend to think and we try to create esquetologies

esquetologies

uh at the end of the earth at the end of

our life at the end of times that are uh

anxiety reducing esquetologies for our

phobia of death and our extinction and

our insignificance. So, we create things

that compensate for those

insignificances by creating, you know,

we're going to be enlightened and we're

going to be all aware and or we're going

to go to this eternal salvation or

something in order to compensate for our

anxiety. But our anxiety is basically a

compensation for all the fantasies we're

still holding on to

because we're still living in fear with

our miglets. Our miga is the source of

our mortal fears and all of our

moralities and all of our judgments and esquetologies.

esquetologies.

If all of a sudden we actually had a

glimpse of a bigger picture, we'd

realize that that's kind of trivia,

a trivial pursuit.

So, where's it all going?

Uh this is a very interesting video I

watched recently about uh on the

pertinence or impertinence of existence.

It's a very challenging question because

it's creates anxiety for for most people.

people.

Uh the question like why anything exists

at all or

not so much that is is what is our significance?

significance? Uhhuh.

Uhhuh.

Yeah. Let's take the most advanced u

human being that we've know of that's

been living and made a difference. They

might leave a mark for 3 or 4 thousand

years. We might have a text of Shabbaka

that may go 10,000 years, but then it

starts to fade

and all the people that were there just

and so we have anxiety about that

extinction of being. So we create these

esquetologies to make us feel like we're

going to do something that's immortal

and great. And I'm I'm a believer that

that's sort of a necessary aspect of our

existence because it feels futile

otherwise. But at the same time, if we

stop and really look at that a billion

years from now, Dr. John D. Martini is

it was not probably even known about.

I'm probably back to dust. of cosmic

dust. Now, because of information theory

and and um there's a conservation of

information, whatever information that

may have been accumulated in the

experience of the earth that may be

eventually in the cycles of the red

giant phase of the of the solar system

and eventually be engulfed and and maybe

eventually merge with another solar

system and eventually go into a white

dwarf and a black hole. That information

may be then skewed back out into another

solar system and continue to go on. And

we may have significance that can

perpetuates as an immortal expression of

what contribution we made in our evolution.

evolution.

I can't deny it or confirm it, but um

I'd rather believe that because it gives

me some sort of meaning and some sort of

purpose than it would be to know that it

was just poofed.

Yeah. I always simultaneously whenever I

zoom out to the degree in which you just

did and you have this cosmological

perspective of the sheer insignificance

of us on on that scale, I both have

complete awe and wonder as to how

magical and how much there is unknown

and yet to be discovered. And then also

like I'm I'm curious your thoughts about

slipping into into nihilism where like none of this really even matters, you

none of this really even matters, you know?

know? Well, this is the thing. uh if we go

Well, this is the thing. uh if we go down into the subatomics and go towards

down into the subatomics and go towards planks uh dimension 1* 10 33rd

planks uh dimension 1* 10 33rd centimeters or something we go down

centimeters or something we go down there we seem very significant

there we seem very significant so we're now vast beings compared to

so we're now vast beings compared to this thing and so we have massive

this thing and so we have massive significance relatively speaking

significance relatively speaking relativity

relativity if we go to

if we go to the vastness of the observable and

the vastness of the observable and beyond ond uh it becomes now an

beyond ond uh it becomes now an infantessimal.

infantessimal. So we both have significance and

So we both have significance and insignificance. The question is can we

insignificance. The question is can we wrap our head around that and become

wrap our head around that and become conscious of both of them at the same

conscious of both of them at the same time? Otherwise we have a conscious self

time? Otherwise we have a conscious self that we exaggerate and again we're

that we exaggerate and again we're puffing ourselves up in pride and

puffing ourselves up in pride and pertinence and or we do the other and

pertinence and or we do the other and insignificant. And I think that we're

insignificant. And I think that we're here to integrate the two and to honor

here to integrate the two and to honor both because it keeps us in check and it

both because it keeps us in check and it keeps us growing.

keeps us growing. It's interesting to see the overlay and

It's interesting to see the overlay and how you probably would say they're one

how you probably would say they're one and the same when you look at the

and the same when you look at the cosmological perspective and also the

cosmological perspective and also the human developmental process like the the

human developmental process like the the journey of finding back and and and

journey of finding back and and and returning back into balance from both

returning back into balance from both polarities.

polarities. We can't prove that that giant cosmos is

We can't prove that that giant cosmos is not

not starting over. We don't know. We don't

starting over. We don't know. We don't know if that's a reiteration or not.

know if that's a reiteration or not. It's an interesting plausible

It's an interesting plausible possibility.

possibility. Yeah,

Yeah, we might be. You know, in Men in Black,

we might be. You know, in Men in Black, you know, there's a there's a cat with a

you know, there's a there's a cat with a little thing that's Who knows?

little thing that's Who knows? I don't want to say that I know that

I don't want to say that I know that answer. I don't know that answer.

answer. I don't know that answer. Hey, fam. Sometimes I get asked what

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I hope you enjoy. I'm curious to hear what your

I'm curious to hear what your speculation on when you mentioned Bow's

speculation on when you mentioned Bow's implicate order earlier in the the

implicate order earlier in the the conversation. You look at the Buddhist

conversation. You look at the Buddhist philosophy of interest net and how we

philosophy of interest net and how we are connected at levels we are possibly

are connected at levels we are possibly be only beginning to be able to

be only beginning to be able to comprehend and uh we are fed this

comprehend and uh we are fed this materialist reductionistic notion of how

materialist reductionistic notion of how the world works mechanistically and uh

the world works mechanistically and uh the way that you're describing life and

the way that you're describing life and the intelligence of life operating

the intelligence of life operating within this deeper hidden order uh feels

within this deeper hidden order uh feels feels very exciting but also in like a

feels very exciting but also in like a it feels like a new paradigm that is

it feels like a new paradigm that is going to be continued to be fortified

going to be continued to be fortified with scientific rigor over the next

with scientific rigor over the next decade and century. So, I'm just

decade and century. So, I'm just curious, what do you is there anything

curious, what do you is there anything that you're speculating on in terms of

that you're speculating on in terms of like how this all is working that you

like how this all is working that you haven't really spoken to much before?

Okay, it's a kind of a big question. No, I I love that question. Um, I do

No, I I love that question. Um, I do think about interesting questions

think about interesting questions sometimes since I was a kid.

sometimes since I was a kid. When Sputnik I was watching a movie the

When Sputnik I was watching a movie the other day, October the sky. I don't know

other day, October the sky. I don't know if you've seen this,

if you've seen this, but a young boy looks up into the sky

but a young boy looks up into the sky with his father when he was very young

with his father when he was very young and he sees Sputnik go across. Sputnik

and he sees Sputnik go across. Sputnik had just been launched. This is 1957.

had just been launched. This is 1957. And in 1957, I looked out from the

And in 1957, I looked out from the backyard and I saw Sputnik go across the

backyard and I saw Sputnik go across the sky.

sky. And I thought, I want to understand

And I thought, I want to understand that. So, I started at 4 um going out at

that. So, I started at 4 um going out at night, sneaking out at night, going

night, sneaking out at night, going through my window with a Corsica coffee

through my window with a Corsica coffee cake can and a piece of paper and some

cake can and a piece of paper and some pencil and I would draw the outline of

pencil and I would draw the outline of the moon and I watched the asterisms of

the moon and I watched the asterisms of the moon each night and I tried to time

the moon each night and I tried to time it where I would go out in weird hours

it where I would go out in weird hours just to get to capture the asterisms of

just to get to capture the asterisms of the moon and to see the star backgrounds

the moon and to see the star backgrounds behind it and map these things. My whole

behind it and map these things. My whole room was covered in these maps. When I

room was covered in these maps. When I was four, my parents used to just look

was four, my parents used to just look out the window and think, okay, they

out the window and think, okay, they didn't stop me. They were curious, but I

didn't stop me. They were curious, but I was interested in astronomy. I've been

was interested in astronomy. I've been it's one of my areas that I've written a

it's one of my areas that I've written a lot about and cosmology and physics and

lot about and cosmology and physics and astrophysics and stuff. So, I've been

astrophysics and stuff. So, I've been fascinated by that.

fascinated by that. Um, but I now

Um, but I now speculate, and I can only say speculate,

speculate, and I can only say speculate, that

that we live in an potentially infinite

we live in an potentially infinite universe

universe with an infinite number of complimentary

with an infinite number of complimentary opposites

at all scales of being in existence for eternity.

for eternity. So in in instead of having the divine

So in in instead of having the divine plan go from dark to light or from

plan go from dark to light or from negative to positive or you know these

negative to positive or you know these amygdala driven constructs that are

amygdala driven constructs that are anthropomorphic and geocentric and very

anthropomorphic and geocentric and very limited.

limited. What would happen if that every moment

What would happen if that every moment we perceive

we perceive no matter what it is because I in my

no matter what it is because I in my breakthrough experience program as I

breakthrough experience program as I take people through it I take whatever

take people through it I take whatever perception it is it doesn't matter what

perception it is it doesn't matter what their perception is I show them where

their perception is I show them where the synthesis and synchronous of

the synthesis and synchronous of opposites and I bring them to a tier of

opposites and I bring them to a tier of gratitude for it and when I they do that

gratitude for it and when I they do that they realize that no matter what they're

they realize that no matter what they're perceiving no matter what time or space

perceiving no matter what time or space there's the divine order there there's

there's the divine order there there's the tier of gratitude if you ask the

the tier of gratitude if you ask the right questions and become aware of it.

right questions and become aware of it. So I speculate that there's an infinite

So I speculate that there's an infinite number of those potential perceptions

number of those potential perceptions in this participatory universe that we

in this participatory universe that we are participating in as part of a

are participating in as part of a reflective conscious being at all scales

reflective conscious being at all scales from the subatomic plank where our

from the subatomic plank where our mathematics begins to break down to the

mathematics begins to break down to the astronomic.

astronomic. And as we are expanding our awareness

And as we are expanding our awareness and becoming you know solarized and

and becoming you know solarized and galacticized and continue

galacticized and continue uh supergalacticized and go

uh supergalacticized and go that whatever we perceive the equal and

that whatever we perceive the equal and opposite was going to be will in our

opposite was going to be will in our perception and will give us an

perception and will give us an experience of seeing the hidden order at

experience of seeing the hidden order at that scale at all scales it's available

that scale at all scales it's available for eternity

for eternity and to me that would be the most

and to me that would be the most everpresent loving

everpresent loving view.

view. Not an idea that we're now going to go

Not an idea that we're now going to go to some imperion um at the edge of our

to some imperion um at the edge of our solar system and then sit there and

solar system and then sit there and praise some insecure deity or something.

praise some insecure deity or something. I'd rather see that the entire thing is

I'd rather see that the entire thing is a is a conscious state. It's a pen

a is a conscious state. It's a pen pychism in that respect at all scales of

pychism in that respect at all scales of existence. And we have the capacity and

existence. And we have the capacity and it is constantly giving us the

it is constantly giving us the opportunity to discover the magnificent

opportunity to discover the magnificent hidden order and the divine presence and

hidden order and the divine presence and love if you want to call it that in that

love if you want to call it that in that moment at any scale no matter what the

moment at any scale no matter what the scale of pair of opposites. In other

scale of pair of opposites. In other words, as the black hole is taking in

words, as the black hole is taking in stars, it's simultaneously birthing new

stars, it's simultaneously birthing new stars. The pairs of opposites are there.

stars. The pairs of opposites are there. As the particle and antiparticles are

As the particle and antiparticles are annihilating, they're simultaneously

annihilating, they're simultaneously generating at the pl at the planks level

generating at the pl at the planks level at the quantum vacuum. So whether it's

at the quantum vacuum. So whether it's small or large as below or above,

small or large as below or above, whatever it is, there's nothing but a

whatever it is, there's nothing but a synchronicity and synthesis of compary

synchronicity and synthesis of compary opposites and experience of love at all

opposites and experience of love at all scales if we know how to ask the right

scales if we know how to ask the right question and become present with both

question and become present with both simultaneously.

simultaneously. And I think that we live in a universe

And I think that we live in a universe that is going to give us the opportunity

that is going to give us the opportunity to continue to explore that with every

to continue to explore that with every vehicle we have, telescope, astronomical

vehicle we have, telescope, astronomical uh or microscope, whatever it is. And no

uh or microscope, whatever it is. And no matter where we go, no matter what size

matter where we go, no matter what size or magnitude or any location or any

or magnitude or any location or any other thing, anything in the existential

other thing, anything in the existential world is going to lead us back to the

world is going to lead us back to the essential self.

essential self. And so I think that's what the universe

And so I think that's what the universe is really. It's as Plato says for the

is really. It's as Plato says for the sake of love and we're and our own

sake of love and we're and our own conscious awareness and intentions are

conscious awareness and intentions are all remodeling it. So we're constantly

all remodeling it. So we're constantly remodeling. It's never the same. We're

remodeling. It's never the same. We're we're all involved in a remodeling

we're all involved in a remodeling system.

system. Do you think that essential self is

Do you think that essential self is something that we all share like that

something that we all share like that being is shared? Do you think that?

being is shared? Do you think that? Although I I found this quote in a text

Although I I found this quote in a text about Schopenhau, I was never able to

about Schopenhau, I was never able to find it in any of his texts, but

find it in any of his texts, but somebody quoted it, so I don't know if

somebody quoted it, so I don't know if it's a true quote or not. We become our

it's a true quote or not. We become our true self to the degree that we make

true self to the degree that we make everything else ourself.

everything else ourself. So anything that separates self and

So anything that separates self and other which is a distinction the

other which is a distinction the primordial boundary from the Adam kman

primordial boundary from the Adam kman of the cobalistic tree into the Adam and

of the cobalistic tree into the Adam and Eve which differentiates a duality of

Eve which differentiates a duality of some form any form of duality that

some form any form of duality that separation in self and other the

separation in self and other the existential beginning as pedically

existential beginning as pedically described uh that would actually be in a

described uh that would actually be in a sense um a pure reflectible universe.

sense um a pure reflectible universe. Uh my girlfriend Donna um is working on

Uh my girlfriend Donna um is working on a book called the reflective universe.

a book called the reflective universe. It's very possible that everything that

It's very possible that everything that is ever observed is a reflection of us

is ever observed is a reflection of us and we we really don't know the

and we we really don't know the boundaries of who we are.

boundaries of who we are. It really resonates through the vic lens

It really resonates through the vic lens of the two or the one becoming two for

of the two or the one becoming two for the joy of becoming one again. Like the

the joy of becoming one again. Like the that's the cosmogonic cycle.

that's the cosmogonic cycle. Mhm. the the essence going into

Mhm. the the essence going into existence and the existence returning to

existence and the existence returning to the essence and in a in a cosmogonic

the essence and in a in a cosmogonic cycle a self-regenerating system.

cycle a self-regenerating system. It feels like also from the cosmological

It feels like also from the cosmological scale from the big bane and the

scale from the big bane and the expansion to then the contraction to

expansion to then the contraction to also like the you could zoom out of the

also like the you could zoom out of the biological level and the same thing the

biological level and the same thing the contraction and expansion that is

contraction and expansion that is happening pervasively throughout the

happening pervasively throughout the universe. If that is an accurate

universe. If that is an accurate assessment,

assessment, do you think that is?

do you think that is? In my textbook, I wrote, let's see now,

In my textbook, I wrote, let's see now, 93, I think, reputations of the Big Bang

93, I think, reputations of the Big Bang Theory that I've been accumulating for

Theory that I've been accumulating for many, many years. So, I I don't think

many, many years. So, I I don't think there's too many ad hoc components to

there's too many ad hoc components to that

that to say that that's the conclusion that

to say that that's the conclusion that we have today. And many cosmologists are

we have today. And many cosmologists are questioning that and tackling that and

questioning that and tackling that and challenging that. Um, but that's the

challenging that. Um, but that's the model we have today, just like that's

model we have today, just like that's the model we have in religions. And

the model we have in religions. And religions, uh, Sam Harris did a nice

religions, uh, Sam Harris did a nice thing as as the atheist. He said he said

thing as as the atheist. He said he said the difference between a theist and an

the difference between a theist and an atheist is one God.

atheist is one God. You know, the the the the Christian

You know, the the the the Christian doesn't believe in 900 gods that have

doesn't believe in 900 gods that have once live lived and that he's an atheist

once live lived and that he's an atheist to them. And Sam said, "I'm I'm closer

to them. And Sam said, "I'm I'm closer to you than I am different. I just don't

to you than I am different. I just don't believe in that one, too."

believe in that one, too." Yeah.

Yeah. The the anthropomorphic god that

The the anthropomorphic god that Zenaphane's warned against. and and the

Zenaphane's warned against. and and the warned against are concoctions of the

warned against are concoctions of the amigdala to avoid the phobias and to

amigdala to avoid the phobias and to create defilias to survive as a mortal

create defilias to survive as a mortal being. And uh there's a there's a much

being. And uh there's a there's a much more transcendent state and in theology

more transcendent state and in theology and in cosmology. And this cosmology we

and in cosmology. And this cosmology we have here is is got it's got weakness.

have here is is got it's got weakness. Let's put it that way.

Let's put it that way. Yeah,

Yeah, I could I could do a whole thing on that

I could I could do a whole thing on that one.

one. It's I love speaking to you not just

It's I love speaking to you not just because of what you're saying but the

because of what you're saying but the excitement in which what you're saying

excitement in which what you're saying is coming from. I can tell the sincere

is coming from. I can tell the sincere passion and desire to understand reality

passion and desire to understand reality to the degree we can and uh

to the degree we can and uh how you're speaking to instead of moving

how you're speaking to instead of moving through life through this top down

through life through this top down processing like moving through each

processing like moving through each mystery one after the other through the

mystery one after the other through the bottom up processing of you know

bottom up processing of you know experience seeing what's alive for you

experience seeing what's alive for you in each moment. um is uh it's such a

in each moment. um is uh it's such a more beautiful fruitful way to live life

more beautiful fruitful way to live life that I feel like we all get to emi we

that I feel like we all get to emi we all can embody more of. And for somebody

all can embody more of. And for somebody that's discovered your highest priority

that's discovered your highest priority values and live life in according to

values and live life in according to that which is most meaningful and yet

that which is most meaningful and yet you still have all of these other very

you still have all of these other very interesting passions and ex explorations

interesting passions and ex explorations that maybe isn't your highest priority

that maybe isn't your highest priority value of what teaching and writing. Um,

value of what teaching and writing. Um, I'm curious how you think about the the

I'm curious how you think about the the different aspects of self that we like

different aspects of self that we like we feel most ignited by. For example,

we feel most ignited by. For example, music is something that is not my

music is something that is not my highest priority value in life, but it's

highest priority value in life, but it's something that I'm ignited by and I love

something that I'm ignited by and I love studying and is will probably be a

studying and is will probably be a lifelong journey. Um, I'm curious like

lifelong journey. Um, I'm curious like how do you think of these different

how do you think of these different buckets in your life, all these

buckets in your life, all these different passions and interests and

different passions and interests and curiosities and how you prioritize what

curiosities and how you prioritize what you spend your time doing?

you spend your time doing? when I was 17 and I met Paul Bragg and

when I was 17 and I met Paul Bragg and his presentation inspired me to believe

his presentation inspired me to believe that maybe someday I could become

that maybe someday I could become intelligent and overcome my learning

intelligent and overcome my learning challenges.

challenges. He mentioned universal loss

He mentioned universal loss and I didn't know what they meant really

and I didn't know what they meant really but they sounded cool.

but they sounded cool. And so when I left Hawaii and I returned

And so when I left Hawaii and I returned to Texas and began my pursuit of trying

to Texas and began my pursuit of trying to overcome my learning challenges,

to overcome my learning challenges, speaking problems and comprehension and

speaking problems and comprehension and things, I um was watching a particular

things, I um was watching a particular show with David Keredine called Kung Fu

show with David Keredine called Kung Fu and he talked about his Shaolin master

and he talked about his Shaolin master and I I love the word master. Just

and I I love the word master. Just sounded cool. Universal law master. They

sounded cool. Universal law master. They somehow resonated with me.

somehow resonated with me. So I set out at age 18, I wanted to

So I set out at age 18, I wanted to master my life. I didn't know what that

master my life. I didn't know what that meant, but it sounded cool. So I divided

meant, but it sounded cool. So I divided life into seven areas. Spiritual,

life into seven areas. Spiritual, mental, vocational, financial, family,

mental, vocational, financial, family, social, and physical. And I made a

social, and physical. And I made a commitment to uh learn everything I can

commitment to uh learn everything I can about those topics and become masterful

about those topics and become masterful in those. I want to create original

in those. I want to create original ideas that serve human beings across the

ideas that serve human beings across the planet. Mentally, I want to create a

planet. Mentally, I want to create a global business. My teaching was in

global business. My teaching was in every country around the world. I want

every country around the world. I want to become financially independent. I

to become financially independent. I wanted to have a global family. As you

wanted to have a global family. As you know, I live on a ship called the world

know, I live on a ship called the world that goes around the world. That was

that goes around the world. That was because I had that dream. I want to have

because I had that dream. I want to have social influence, meet amazing people,

social influence, meet amazing people, and have influence and learn from great

and have influence and learn from great minds. I also want to have a vital body,

minds. I also want to have a vital body, an energized body. I'm 71 in a couple

an energized body. I'm 71 in a couple months, and I'm still going. And I

months, and I'm still going. And I wanted to create not a new religion. I

wanted to create not a new religion. I had no interest in that. I was

had no interest in that. I was interested in a movement that would

interested in a movement that would inspire people regardless of their

inspire people regardless of their backgrounds. They could be any faith of

backgrounds. They could be any faith of any form.

any form. And that was my dream to do that. I also

And that was my dream to do that. I also had a desire to understand the laws of

had a desire to understand the laws of the universe.

the universe. And so I came back, got a dictionary

And so I came back, got a dictionary out, got a encyclopedia out. What is the

out, got a encyclopedia out. What is the law of the universe? what does universal

law of the universe? what does universal law mean?

law mean? And it led me to natural laws. And there

And it led me to natural laws. And there was a distinction between natural laws

was a distinction between natural laws of the observable universe and universal

of the observable universe and universal laws that are even broader.

laws that are even broader. And that led me to a pursuit called the

And that led me to a pursuit called the logos.

logos. And the logos goes back to Heracitis.

And the logos goes back to Heracitis. and he considered that there was an

and he considered that there was an order and pattern and a a plan to the

order and pattern and a a plan to the universe like the Stoics and the Greeks

universe like the Stoics and the Greeks sometimes did.

sometimes did. And I want to know what this logos was.

And I want to know what this logos was. In fact, I'm writing a text on the logos

In fact, I'm writing a text on the logos right now. And um devouring everything I

right now. And um devouring everything I can from every angle I can on that topic

can from every angle I can on that topic and hit it.

and hit it. And that logos gave rise to theologies.

And that logos gave rise to theologies. So I made a list of every knownology

So I made a list of every knownology that somebody could study, every

that somebody could study, every discipline or ology you could study in

discipline or ology you could study in every field. And then I realized that

every field. And then I realized that the ologies were all wavelength based.

the ologies were all wavelength based. So you have the subatomic particles,

So you have the subatomic particles, particle physics, they're small

particle physics, they're small wavelengths. You got the astronomic that

wavelengths. You got the astronomic that are large wavelengths.

are large wavelengths. You've got myology, muscles, and

You've got myology, muscles, and physiology and psychology. Each of these

physiology and psychology. Each of these are wavelengths

are wavelengths of structures that you're exploring

of structures that you're exploring that you're now finding those same laws

that you're now finding those same laws apply to.

apply to. So I thought that all the ologies are

So I thought that all the ologies are dispersements from the one to the many

dispersements from the one to the many of the logos the plan. And so I made a

of the logos the plan. And so I made a commitment to myself that I would read

commitment to myself that I would read at least a hundred books on everyology

at least a hundred books on everyology which is why I've got 31,000 books now

which is why I've got 31,000 books now in my head. So

in my head. So I wanted to do that because I I wanted

I wanted to do that because I I wanted to have a body of knowledge that would

to have a body of knowledge that would stand the test of time and if I studied

stand the test of time and if I studied all the different disciplines and I

all the different disciplines and I found common themes and common

found common themes and common principles that were universal

principles that were universal um it would increase the probability

um it would increase the probability that the material I'm presenting is

that the material I'm presenting is something as solid and will it will

something as solid and will it will stand.

stand. So I just started going from the

So I just started going from the smallest to the largest

smallest to the largest and starting with the principles of

and starting with the principles of quantum mechanics when I was 18 by Paul

quantum mechanics when I was 18 by Paul Drack studying particle and

Drack studying particle and antiparticles and studying uh Max

antiparticles and studying uh Max Planck's work on all of his planks um

Planck's work on all of his planks um you know principles and all of his units

you know principles and all of his units plank units and trying to figure out how

plank units and trying to figure out how he did that with five universal

he did that with five universal constants and how he put this whole

constants and how he put this whole structure together which was absolutely

structure together which was absolutely ingenious and I started to do whatever I

ingenious and I started to do whatever I could to find that what is the most

could to find that what is the most common universal laws? The law of

common universal laws? The law of complimentary opposites, the law of the

complimentary opposites, the law of the one to many, the law of conservation,

one to many, the law of conservation, nether's theorem of symmetries. And I

nether's theorem of symmetries. And I started to accumulate ones that I felt

started to accumulate ones that I felt at all scales of existence there they

at all scales of existence there they were.

were. Even if they're talking about strong

Even if they're talking about strong nuclear force, the proton or the neutron

nuclear force, the proton or the neutron with the strong nuclear force and the

with the strong nuclear force and the mison and the quantum vacuum

mison and the quantum vacuum fluctuations and all that still apply at

fluctuations and all that still apply at the universe scale. So I basically tried

the universe scale. So I basically tried to find that and identify those and then

to find that and identify those and then apply that to human behavior and the

apply that to human behavior and the evolution human consciousness. So that's

evolution human consciousness. So that's been my thing. So there's no discipline

been my thing. So there's no discipline that's not part of my mission. There's

that's not part of my mission. There's no discipline other than possibly

no discipline other than possibly cooking

cooking and driving. I don't drive or cook. And

and driving. I don't drive or cook. And so those those but if if if I could

so those those but if if if I could probably easily show the dynamics

probably easily show the dynamics sitting in the way cars are designed and

sitting in the way cars are designed and the engineering of that to the same laws

the engineering of that to the same laws but I just haven't had an interest in

but I just haven't had an interest in those for some reason.

those for some reason. But pretty well all the other

But pretty well all the other disciplines

disciplines uh 300 different disciplines and ologies

uh 300 different disciplines and ologies that I've explored and tried to devour.

that I've explored and tried to devour. for one objective the evolution of human

for one objective the evolution of human consciousness and what are the most

consciousness and what are the most fundamental principles that I can rely

fundamental principles that I can rely on to to teach. So I if I'm teaching my

on to to teach. So I if I'm teaching my teachings will not be a fad, not be a

teachings will not be a fad, not be a trend. It'll be a classic.

trend. It'll be a classic. Very inspiring. I'm inspired by that. I

Very inspiring. I'm inspired by that. I think it's uh

think it's uh well we probably have a resonant

well we probably have a resonant Yeah.

Yeah. both I mean know thyself and that's what

both I mean know thyself and that's what it's about.

it's about. Yeah. And you know, I think

Yeah. And you know, I think I think that true science and true

I think that true science and true religion don't fight.

religion don't fight. I don't believe that those are fighting.

I don't believe that those are fighting. I don't know why they would ever fight.

I don't know why they would ever fight. And I'm not talking about faith-based

And I'm not talking about faith-based religion because of course there'd be

religion because of course there'd be discrepancies

discrepancies because those are things you can never

because those are things you can never have certainty about.

have certainty about. But I believe that we can pursue these

But I believe that we can pursue these universal laws and continue to expand

universal laws and continue to expand our awareness and certainty and they can

our awareness and certainty and they can be very spiritually awakening.

be very spiritually awakening. Many people like to separate materialism

Many people like to separate materialism and spiritualism. I see them as

and spiritualism. I see them as inseparable

inseparable because a state of equinimity which is

because a state of equinimity which is your authentic self is also the thing

your authentic self is also the thing that maximizes sustainable fair exchange

that maximizes sustainable fair exchange in the material world for economics.

in the material world for economics. It's also the same principle that builds

It's also the same principle that builds engineering structures that are stable.

engineering structures that are stable. So no matter what area we go that

So no matter what area we go that there's no separation in there. So I

there's no separation in there. So I don't believe you have to create a

don't believe you have to create a pseudo anthropomorphic

pseudo anthropomorphic geocentric

geocentric theology

theology except as a stage of awareness only. I

except as a stage of awareness only. I think you can go all the way to the most

think you can go all the way to the most advanced mathematics and come to a

advanced mathematics and come to a realization of the divine.

realization of the divine. But the divine means to emanate light.

But the divine means to emanate light. And I think the thing that unites

And I think the thing that unites spiritual and material and science and

spiritual and material and science and religion is purely light. The study of

religion is purely light. The study of optics. I think Newton was on to it. I

optics. I think Newton was on to it. I think Newton was trying to study optics

think Newton was trying to study optics for a number of reasons because he was a

for a number of reasons because he was a devout spiritual student but he was also

devout spiritual student but he was also a scientist of the highest caliber. His

a scientist of the highest caliber. His Principia and his work on optics is

Principia and his work on optics is masterpieces and then Maxwell in his

masterpieces and then Maxwell in his work on you know the ford of

work on you know the ford of differential equations of the calculus

differential equations of the calculus for light is a masterpiece. I was flying

for light is a masterpiece. I was flying from San Francisco to France and I just

from San Francisco to France and I just happened to be sitting in the business

happened to be sitting in the business where there were three seats in the

where there were three seats in the middle and two seats on the ends and I

middle and two seats on the ends and I was sitting there and right next to me

was sitting there and right next to me was Carl and Stephanie Brown and they're

was Carl and Stephanie Brown and they're on their way to Geneva and they're

on their way to Geneva and they're particle physicist. One's a theoretical,

particle physicist. One's a theoretical, one's a practical particle physicist,

one's a practical particle physicist, married, you know, one's really

married, you know, one's really grounded, one's esoteric, and I'm

grounded, one's esoteric, and I'm sitting next to Carl and we had a

sitting next to Carl and we had a phenomenal conversation and it's about a

phenomenal conversation and it's about a 9 and a half hour flight or something

9 and a half hour flight or something like that. I thought I was going to

like that. I thought I was going to sleep cuz I was going to speak when I

sleep cuz I was going to speak when I landed. So, I was going to shower and

landed. So, I was going to shower and get on to speak, but there's no way I'm

get on to speak, but there's no way I'm gonna stop if I got a particle physicist

gonna stop if I got a particle physicist guy here. And so, we just went down the

guy here. And so, we just went down the rabbit hole. We went down and just

rabbit hole. We went down and just explored it. He was really cool guy and

explored it. He was really cool guy and he's passed now. But so we explored

he's passed now. But so we explored those mysteries at the very depth of the

those mysteries at the very depth of the particle physics world. And um to me,

particle physics world. And um to me, my love of exploration and and and

my love of exploration and and and study, every time I find another piece

study, every time I find another piece of the jigsaw puzzle that fits in,

of the jigsaw puzzle that fits in, either through linguistics, I learn a

either through linguistics, I learn a new word allows it to go in or just a

new word allows it to go in or just a construct allows it to fit. I'm brought

construct allows it to fit. I'm brought to tears

to tears a gamma synchronicity, a eureka moment.

a gamma synchronicity, a eureka moment. And the moment I do that, it's almost

And the moment I do that, it's almost like I'm fulfilling my mission now. And

like I'm fulfilling my mission now. And I can't wait to share that with

I can't wait to share that with somebody. And that's those are the two

somebody. And that's those are the two that's the those are the pinnacles of my

that's the those are the pinnacles of my being right there. Now, if you go and

being right there. Now, if you go and ask people in every country, and I've

ask people in every country, and I've gotten to speak in 161 countries, I've

gotten to speak in 161 countries, I've met cultures of all different types. If

met cultures of all different types. If you ask them,

you ask them, how many of you had a moment where

how many of you had a moment where you've been brought to tears of

you've been brought to tears of inspiration and gratitude that you know

inspiration and gratitude that you know that you know that you know that that is

that you know that you know that that is deeply meaningful? pay attention to it

deeply meaningful? pay attention to it and it's something about your path and

and it's something about your path and your authenticity. Everybody knows that.

your authenticity. Everybody knows that. They just know it inside.

They just know it inside. So I love maximizing those that my when

So I love maximizing those that my when I did developed the D Martini method and

I did developed the D Martini method and I developed some of the questions.

I developed some of the questions. There's two of the questions are

There's two of the questions are designed specifically to maximize how to

designed specifically to maximize how to access and increase the frequency

access and increase the frequency intensity and duration of that because

intensity and duration of that because that is one of the greatest guides that

that is one of the greatest guides that we have that is transcendent to the

we have that is transcendent to the subordination or superordination of

subordination or superordination of other people that can distract us and

other people that can distract us and allows us to guide ourselves to a great

allows us to guide ourselves to a great magnificent path of exploring the

magnificent path of exploring the universe which we have innately within

universe which we have innately within us. No matter what our background is,

us. No matter what our background is, there's a part of us that's wanting to

there's a part of us that's wanting to explore the universe because it's us. We

explore the universe because it's us. We want to know ourself. We want to know

want to know ourself. We want to know thyself.

thyself. So that's probably the most meaningful

So that's probably the most meaningful and inspiring things that I get to do on

and inspiring things that I get to do on a daily basis.

a daily basis. I think by living in alignment with that

I think by living in alignment with that which brings you most joy, you also

which brings you most joy, you also become a reference point and an

become a reference point and an inspiration for other people to discover

inspiration for other people to discover that within themselves. The person who

that within themselves. The person who quoted this is escaping my mind, but to

quoted this is escaping my mind, but to not ask what the world needs, but ask

not ask what the world needs, but ask what makes you come most alive because

what makes you come most alive because what the world needs is people who come

what the world needs is people who come most alive. And discovering those the

most alive. And discovering those the hierarchy of values, the things that

hierarchy of values, the things that bring you most excitement in life, uh is

bring you most excitement in life, uh is just uh is an empowerful reminder and

just uh is an empowerful reminder and refinement too of

refinement too of it's we're living it to like in my own

it's we're living it to like in my own life to a relative degree in alignment

life to a relative degree in alignment with those values and the things that

with those values and the things that are most meaningful to me. And uh I'm

are most meaningful to me. And uh I'm just curious to to cuz you mentioned it

just curious to to cuz you mentioned it briefly in the practical sense. How do

briefly in the practical sense. How do you actually delegate all that is not as

you actually delegate all that is not as meaningful to you in life? Like how how

meaningful to you in life? Like how how have you set up your life in a way so

have you set up your life in a way so you can easily

you can easily Yeah.

Yeah. I learned I was 23 years old. I was

I learned I was 23 years old. I was entering into professional school and I

entering into professional school and I asked myself a question. Uh why does

asked myself a question. Uh why does some people walk their talk, some people

some people walk their talk, some people limp their life? Why do some people do

limp their life? Why do some people do what they say and others don't? as

what they say and others don't? as McGregor did in 1960 at MIT. Why does

McGregor did in 1960 at MIT. Why does some people have spontaneous action and

some people have spontaneous action and some people need to be extrinsically

some people need to be extrinsically motivated with reward and punishment? I

motivated with reward and punishment? I want to know the answer to that.

want to know the answer to that. It led me to a very obvious study called

It led me to a very obvious study called axiology, which is a study of value and

axiology, which is a study of value and worth because that's what drives human

worth because that's what drives human beings.

beings. And I realized that led me to David

And I realized that led me to David Hume's work, which I mentioned earlier.

Hume's work, which I mentioned earlier. And David Hume, a Scottish philosopher,

And David Hume, a Scottish philosopher, said that there's is versus ought.

said that there's is versus ought. I found that those are exactly

I found that those are exactly the distinctions between intrinsic drive

the distinctions between intrinsic drive and extrinsic drive.

and extrinsic drive. If you know what the hierarchy of values

If you know what the hierarchy of values actually are, that is

actually are, that is not what they ought to be. the

not what they ought to be. the conformity of society's deontological

conformity of society's deontological normative ethics.

normative ethics. You access your greatest potential.

You access your greatest potential. You can actualize your potential.

You can actualize your potential. Ernest Becker who wrote the denial of

Ernest Becker who wrote the denial of death a pulit surprise winner he

death a pulit surprise winner he beautifully stated that people are

beautifully stated that people are confronted by their mortality

confronted by their mortality and the anxiety

and the anxiety of the escological mystery.

of the escological mystery. And so they create two mechanisms to

And so they create two mechanisms to survive it. A path of individual

survive it. A path of individual heroism,

heroism, a path of immortality for the individual

a path of immortality for the individual or a path of immortality through the

or a path of immortality through the collective conformity.

collective conformity. These go into oblivion and leave no

These go into oblivion and leave no mark.

mark. These leave a mark, but they're

These leave a mark, but they're radically opposed and offended. And you

radically opposed and offended. And you know, as Young says, we live in a world

know, as Young says, we live in a world that we want to be ourselves in a world

that we want to be ourselves in a world that doesn't want us to be.

that doesn't want us to be. And we want to make a difference, but we

And we want to make a difference, but we can't make a difference conforming. You

can't make a difference conforming. You can only make a difference following an

can only make a difference following an individual path.

individual path. So all of the studies on axiology, there

So all of the studies on axiology, there were 12 textbooks in English available

were 12 textbooks in English available at the time, only 12 that I had access

at the time, only 12 that I had access to, none of them satisfied me because

to, none of them satisfied me because it's all about how you ought to be. And

it's all about how you ought to be. And how people should be and how to fit into

how people should be and how to fit into society. It was all designed for

society. It was all designed for theological and social political

theological and social political governance of societies to work in in a

governance of societies to work in in a system that are easily controlled.

There's an individual path, the unbared visionary, as Ian Rand said.

visionary, as Ian Rand said. I was interested in that.

I was interested in that. The trailblazer, the one with the

The trailblazer, the one with the machete walking through the thing and

machete walking through the thing and not following a path, but creating a

not following a path, but creating a path.

path. The one that had the dharmic path, not

The one that had the dharmic path, not the karmic wheel.

the karmic wheel. So

So when I did that, I realized I'm going to

when I did that, I realized I'm going to have to create my own value

have to create my own value determination process to discover what

determination process to discover what it actually is, not what it people think

it actually is, not what it people think it should be because all of it, Schwarz

it should be because all of it, Schwarz and Hartman and all the people that were

and Hartman and all the people that were doing axiology at the time were asking

doing axiology at the time were asking questions. If you're in this setting,

questions. If you're in this setting, how would you respond?

how would you respond? Knowing full well that they would

Knowing full well that they would respond in order to not be rejected. So

respond in order to not be rejected. So you can't go by what they say. You got

you can't go by what they say. You got to go by what their life demonstrates.

to go by what their life demonstrates. So I set up a criteria to do value

So I set up a criteria to do value determination which is on my website to

determination which is on my website to get a closer to an objective what is not

get a closer to an objective what is not what it ought to be to be able to then

what it ought to be to be able to then find out what is intrinsically driving

find out what is intrinsically driving them. Because when you actually find

them. Because when you actually find that out and prioritize your life

that out and prioritize your life according to that, you don't have the

according to that, you don't have the internal conflicts, you don't have the

internal conflicts, you don't have the fantasies as much. You don't have the

fantasies as much. You don't have the self-sabotaging personal development

self-sabotaging personal development stuff. You just walk your path.

stuff. You just walk your path. So,

So, how do I do it and delegate? I learned

how do I do it and delegate? I learned from a book by Alec McKenzie in 1982,

from a book by Alec McKenzie in 1982, October 1982,

October 1982, reading the time trap.

reading the time trap. And in there, he basically gave all the

And in there, he basically gave all the criteria why people don't delegate.

criteria why people don't delegate. um I can do it better than them. By the

um I can do it better than them. By the time I do it, I could have I give it to

time I do it, I could have I give it to them. I could have just done it. By the

them. I could have just done it. By the time I explain it to them, well, they're

time I explain it to them, well, they're going to do it differently anyway. All

going to do it differently anyway. All the different reasons for doing it. But

the different reasons for doing it. But I realize that you will trap your life

I realize that you will trap your life if you're not delegating. You can't

if you're not delegating. You can't self-actualize your life very easily

self-actualize your life very easily without delegation.

without delegation. Unless you completely simplify your life

Unless you completely simplify your life and do like the cynic diioynesies that

and do like the cynic diioynesies that live in a a barrel with a dog and have

live in a a barrel with a dog and have nothing, no attachment or a Gandhi

nothing, no attachment or a Gandhi approach.

approach. So I basically learned at age 27 the

So I basically learned at age 27 the importance of prioritization because if

importance of prioritization because if you don't fill your day with high

you don't fill your day with high priority actions that inspire you, your

priority actions that inspire you, your day is going to fill up with low

day is going to fill up with low priority distractions that don't. And

priority distractions that don't. And the distractions that don't are going to

the distractions that don't are going to be unfulfilling and distracting

be unfulfilling and distracting to create a frustration to go back to

to create a frustration to go back to priority to get you back to yourselves

priority to get you back to yourselves because these are not you. This highest

because these are not you. This highest value is the ontological identity that

value is the ontological identity that revolves around is your highest value.

revolves around is your highest value. Whatever your highest value is, if you

Whatever your highest value is, if you ask anybody who are they, they're going

ask anybody who are they, they're going to tell you whatever is highest under

to tell you whatever is highest under value. That's going to be their answer.

value. That's going to be their answer. Mine's teacher of your raising a

Mine's teacher of your raising a children and your highest value as of

children and your highest value as of being a mother. If you ask her who are

being a mother. If you ask her who are you, she'll say I'm a mother. If you go

you, she'll say I'm a mother. If you go to a person who's a serial entrepreneur

to a person who's a serial entrepreneur and ask him, even though he's got three

and ask him, even though he's got three or four kids, you ask him who are you?

or four kids, you ask him who are you? He's not going to say I'm a father, he's

He's not going to say I'm a father, he's going to say I'm an entrepreneur.

going to say I'm an entrepreneur. Because whatever is highest on one's

Because whatever is highest on one's value, their onlogical identity revolves

value, their onlogical identity revolves around their teological purpose revolves

around their teological purpose revolves around and their epistemological area of

around and their epistemological area of expertise excels there. So that's where

expertise excels there. So that's where they're most powerful.

they're most powerful. So finding that out and delegating

So finding that out and delegating anything else

anything else that devalues you is what I set out to

that devalues you is what I set out to do at age 27. And within 18 months, I

do at age 27. And within 18 months, I pretty well gave it all away. And I

pretty well gave it all away. And I basically teach, research, write, and

basically teach, research, write, and travel. That's about it. Teach,

travel. That's about it. Teach, research, write, and travel. I don't I'm

research, write, and travel. I don't I'm pretty useless outside that. I I

pretty useless outside that. I I technology. I delegate business

technology. I delegate business administration. I just teach research,

administration. I just teach research, write, travel pretty well every day.

write, travel pretty well every day. I'm pretty uh like I say, I'm an idiot

I'm pretty uh like I say, I'm an idiot outside that. I'm relatively aware

outside that. I'm relatively aware inside that.

inside that. Yeah.

Yeah. I uh

I uh I'm I'm like that 27 I'm 28. So, I'm

I'm I'm like that 27 I'm 28. So, I'm like I'm at that point where I'm

like I'm at that point where I'm transitioning into that full-time

transitioning into that full-time delegation of all the things that aren't

delegation of all the things that aren't highest priority, value, most meaningful

highest priority, value, most meaningful to me. But is there something that just

to me. But is there something that just that feel that you feel called to share

that feel that you feel called to share about what uh would serve someone like

about what uh would serve someone like myself who's embarking on the journey of

myself who's embarking on the journey of life getting to hopefully living a life

life getting to hopefully living a life that is most meaningful and aligned with

that is most meaningful and aligned with my values decades down the road.

my values decades down the road. I I wouldn't change anything back there,

I I wouldn't change anything back there, but I would say that it was I was very

but I would say that it was I was very grateful

grateful to go through a few uh intermediate

to go through a few uh intermediate steps

steps to get feedback on how important it is

to get feedback on how important it is not to try to be second at being

not to try to be second at being somebody else and not try to worry about

somebody else and not try to worry about whether people like or dislike you. When

whether people like or dislike you. When you

you niece in his beyond good and evil and

niece in his beyond good and evil and Mchaveli in his prince

Mchaveli in his prince say basically some overlapping ideas

say basically some overlapping ideas that when you can embrace both sides of

that when you can embrace both sides of yourself and be the hero and the

yourself and be the hero and the villain, the saint and the sinner and

villain, the saint and the sinner and realize nothing's missing in you. You're

realize nothing's missing in you. You're the most extreme of everything that

the most extreme of everything that could be even known, the most virtuous,

could be even known, the most virtuous, the most vicious. When you can embrace

the most vicious. When you can embrace all of that, then you're not going to be

all of that, then you're not going to be distracted by people's opinions.

distracted by people's opinions. But as long as you're disowning any of

But as long as you're disowning any of those, the world on the outside will run

those, the world on the outside will run you and you'll have evoked potentials

you and you'll have evoked potentials instead of spontaneous potentials

instead of spontaneous potentials guiding your life. So, you know, there

guiding your life. So, you know, there was a concern in my 20s uh what will

was a concern in my 20s uh what will people think or what would happen if I

people think or what would happen if I did this? And that gradually kind of

did this? And that gradually kind of became less of priority if that makes

became less of priority if that makes any sense because I realized that I

any sense because I realized that I could have the whole world against me

could have the whole world against me but the question is do I have my soul

but the question is do I have my soul against me?

against me? My soul being the state of unconditional

My soul being the state of unconditional love in my most authentic state.

love in my most authentic state. And

And you're going to be liked and disliked no

you're going to be liked and disliked no matter what you do. I tell people,

matter what you do. I tell people, you're only going to grow to the level

you're only going to grow to the level of embracing of the hero and villain.

of embracing of the hero and villain. So, if you can embrace this much hero,

So, if you can embrace this much hero, but only this much villain, you're only

but only this much villain, you're only going to grow to that level.

going to grow to that level. You have to be able to be liked and

You have to be able to be liked and disliked by the same number of people.

disliked by the same number of people. And if you can do that, I mean, Donald's

And if you can do that, I mean, Donald's a good example of that. Donald's got a

a good example of that. Donald's got a billion people liking and disliking him.

billion people liking and disliking him. At least, maybe four billion liking and

At least, maybe four billion liking and disliking him. Who knows?

disliking him. Who knows? So because of that, he's probably on

So because of that, he's probably on every newspaper in every country every

every newspaper in every country every single day as influence.

single day as influence. Um, how well can you embrace and own all

Um, how well can you embrace and own all your parts?

your parts? If you any part you're disowning is

If you any part you're disowning is emptiness.

emptiness. Any part that you could ever imagine in

Any part that you could ever imagine in anything that you don't own is your

anything that you don't own is your emptiness. So that would be the the

emptiness. So that would be the the journey is to um

journey is to um learn to appreciate. But 41 years ago

learn to appreciate. But 41 years ago I was uh about 30 years old. And at the

I was uh about 30 years old. And at the time I as I mentioned earlier I went to

time I as I mentioned earlier I went to the Oxford English dictionary and I went

the Oxford English dictionary and I went and identified every one of the traits

and identified every one of the traits inside me because that was my attempt to

inside me because that was my attempt to try to own the parts and have a

try to own the parts and have a preemptive strike instead of having to

preemptive strike instead of having to wait till people push my buttons and

wait till people push my buttons and react with for with hindsight. I'd

react with for with hindsight. I'd rather have foresight and identify it.

rather have foresight and identify it. So when I saw that and people would say

So when I saw that and people would say things about me, I'd go, okay, that's

things about me, I'd go, okay, that's true, too.

true, too. You know, somebody says, you know,

You know, somebody says, you know, you're this or that, if I can honor that

you're this or that, if I can honor that and see that, I don't have a reaction.

and see that, I don't have a reaction. They can't control me. But if they if I

They can't control me. But if they if I try to disown it, they can manipulate me

try to disown it, they can manipulate me and I can be influenced by them for fear

and I can be influenced by them for fear of losing or gaining or something and

of losing or gaining or something and get attached one way or the other. These

get attached one way or the other. These are the Buddhist attachments that stop

are the Buddhist attachments that stop people from being themselves.

that shift from perceiving life happening to me as a victim versus for

happening to me as a victim versus for me, as me, through me. Uh

me, as me, through me. Uh the the way that you spoke to and what I

the the way that you spoke to and what I really resonated with in our last

really resonated with in our last conversation too is how you mentioned

conversation too is how you mentioned that you devoted your life to the love

that you devoted your life to the love of wisdom and the wisdom of love.

of wisdom and the wisdom of love. Yeah,

Yeah, that Howard Hughes is the one that

that Howard Hughes is the one that stimulated that one.

stimulated that one. It feels like you've been speaking to it

It feels like you've been speaking to it throughout this whole conversation, but

throughout this whole conversation, but what would you what would how would you

what would you what would how would you describe the essence of what wisdom is?

describe the essence of what wisdom is? It's inseparable from love.

It's inseparable from love. It's the synthesis and synchronicity of

It's the synthesis and synchronicity of all opposites.

all opposites. The dialectic that Zeno put together,

The dialectic that Zeno put together, even though predated, there's predates

even though predated, there's predates to that. Um, you take a proposition, you

to that. Um, you take a proposition, you take the opposite proposition,

take the opposite proposition, and if you're in your amiga, you call it

and if you're in your amiga, you call it a debate, and you both want to be right,

a debate, and you both want to be right, and both want to be proud and hold on to

and both want to be proud and hold on to the fantasy that the other person is

the fantasy that the other person is going to come onto your side.

going to come onto your side. As you go from debate to the dialectic,

As you go from debate to the dialectic, you start to incorporate the other side

you start to incorporate the other side into your awareness until eventually

into your awareness until eventually both become aware of both sides

both become aware of both sides simultaneously, the synthesis, as Hegel

simultaneously, the synthesis, as Hegel described.

described. And the synthesis and synchronicity of

And the synthesis and synchronicity of any complimentary opposite is going to

any complimentary opposite is going to experience love at any scale no matter

experience love at any scale no matter what you're perceiving.

what you're perceiving. That's why whenever I'm researching I'm

That's why whenever I'm researching I'm always whenever I read a piece of

always whenever I read a piece of literature um and there's any bias to a

literature um and there's any bias to a site I'm looking for the other

site I'm looking for the other literature that was written

literature that was written simultaneously by the law of aristic

simultaneously by the law of aristic escalation. There's you know when the

escalation. There's you know when the when the theory of evolution comes about

when the theory of evolution comes about 1859 or so by Darwin uh the theory of

1859 or so by Darwin uh the theory of entropy came out the path of evolution

entropy came out the path of evolution and life and the path of death and they

and life and the path of death and they were entangled pairs of opposites coming

were entangled pairs of opposites coming out of the same city basically and so

out of the same city basically and so this is part of nature a unity of

this is part of nature a unity of opposites. Will Durant did a beautiful

opposites. Will Durant did a beautiful piece on the philosophy history or story

piece on the philosophy history or story of philosophy and civilizations. A

of philosophy and civilizations. A beautiful rendition of the unity of

beautiful rendition of the unity of opposites and the dialectic is

opposites and the dialectic is underlying all the different uh

underlying all the different uh cultures.

cultures. So

So I believe that there's a there's an

I believe that there's a there's an evolution from

evolution from taking aside and being opinionated and

taking aside and being opinionated and black and white and absolutist just like

black and white and absolutist just like there is in morality. There's absolute

there is in morality. There's absolute morality and there's relative

morality and there's relative situational ethics and morality and

situational ethics and morality and that's the evolution from the most dense

that's the evolution from the most dense to the most etheric etheric or rarified.

to the most etheric etheric or rarified. I think that's what we're here to do to

I think that's what we're here to do to utilize that and wisdom and love the

utilize that and wisdom and love the love of wisdom the wisdom of love are

love of wisdom the wisdom of love are the same pursuit. Now

the same pursuit. Now uh Swedenborg did a beautiful job on it

uh Swedenborg did a beautiful job on it and he wrote um wisdom was the light of

and he wrote um wisdom was the light of the sun and love was the the warmth of

the sun and love was the the warmth of the sun

the sun and I I I love that analogy in his

and I I I love that analogy in his books. I devoured all of Swedenborg's

books. I devoured all of Swedenborg's books and just lived and studied his

books and just lived and studied his books back in my 20s and um I love that

books back in my 20s and um I love that little rendition of it. It's a smaller

little rendition of it. It's a smaller book he did.

book he did. But

But wisdom, the pursuit of wisdom has been I

wisdom, the pursuit of wisdom has been I have cufflings that say love and wisdom

have cufflings that say love and wisdom on them. I don't have them on today, but

on them. I don't have them on today, but I carry their go wherever I go. Gold and

I carry their go wherever I go. Gold and silver ones because the wisdom of love

silver ones because the wisdom of love and the love of wisdom is what I was

and the love of wisdom is what I was told by Howard Hughes to gain. And

told by Howard Hughes to gain. And that's been pretty well the pursuit. The

that's been pretty well the pursuit. The love of wisdom, the wisdom of love. I

love of wisdom, the wisdom of love. I don't think they're separated. Could you

don't think they're separated. Could you give me your like five, six top

give me your like five, six top individuals who have influenced you most

individuals who have influenced you most on that journey because I think you

on that journey because I think you mentioned many throughout and it's rare

mentioned many throughout and it's rare that I get to speak with somebody who's

that I get to speak with somebody who's so well read across so many different

so well read across so many different disciplines.

disciplines. Um, who who do you think are the best

Um, who who do you think are the best thinkers in embracing that understanding

thinkers in embracing that understanding of wisdom and love? The best writers,

of wisdom and love? The best writers, best teachers you've studied?

best teachers you've studied? That's a good question because I'm just

I don't know if I got an answer for that. Uh, the best.

that. Uh, the best. Well, the most impactful for you

Well, the most impactful for you perhaps.

perhaps. Well,

there's a beautiful book I think I mentioned last time, Centopicanin

mentioned last time, Centopicanin by Mortimer Adler that I've loved

by Mortimer Adler that I've loved reading that I encourage anybody to

reading that I encourage anybody to read. It's a two volume set. Each are

read. It's a two volume set. Each are about 900 pages each.

about 900 pages each. And it is um a summary of the greatest

And it is um a summary of the greatest minds

minds in the western world

in the western world from the all the way to modern

from the all the way to modern psychologies and philosophies.

psychologies and philosophies. Um

Um summarized

summarized sin topic, a synthesis of the topics

sin topic, a synthesis of the topics that every human being are wise to

that every human being are wise to study.

study. And it starts out with A and goes all

And it starts out with A and goes all the way through the alphabet.

the way through the alphabet. And that's probably those two volumes

And that's probably those two volumes are probably the most significant

are probably the most significant volumes that a person's probably going

volumes that a person's probably going to read probably to read. And and

to read probably to read. And and there's hundreds of philosophers sitting

there's hundreds of philosophers sitting inside there.

inside there. So yeah, I think that uh that would be

So yeah, I think that uh that would be the it wouldn't be a human being, one

the it wouldn't be a human being, one being although there's been many people

being although there's been many people that have influenced me. I had a a

that have influenced me. I had a a gentleman named Lakishwaram

gentleman named Lakishwaram who was an Indian mystic who I met at 23

who was an Indian mystic who I met at 23 who had six PhDs.

who had six PhDs. a doctor of philosophy, a doctor of

a doctor of philosophy, a doctor of osteopathy, a doctor of medicine, a

osteopathy, a doctor of medicine, a doctor of chiropractic, a doctor of

doctor of chiropractic, a doctor of physiology, a doctor of divinity,

physiology, a doctor of divinity, very aware guy.

very aware guy. And I got to be his student and learn

And I got to be his student and learn from him and we explored the mysteries

from him and we explored the mysteries together or he shared what he understood

together or he shared what he understood the mysteries questions. Whence do we

the mysteries questions. Whence do we come? Why, where do we go? Why are we

come? Why, where do we go? Why are we here? Who are we? Do we have free will

here? Who are we? Do we have free will and predestination? the basic mystery

and predestination? the basic mystery questions.

questions. And that was uh an influence and he had

And that was uh an influence and he had an influence on my exploration of the

an influence on my exploration of the mysteries,

mysteries, the mystery uh traditions, the

the mystery uh traditions, the comparative religions and comparative

comparative religions and comparative philosophies and the sciences

philosophies and the sciences and some of the arts that expressed

and some of the arts that expressed those. So he had an impact on me. But

those. So he had an impact on me. But I'd have to say that the the great books

I'd have to say that the the great books of the western world that I got a hold

of the western world that I got a hold of when I was 21 and more and more Adler

of when I was 21 and more and more Adler synopic and volumes one and two which

synopic and volumes one and two which are the two volumes that started off are

are the two volumes that started off are two

two it's an introduction to a PhD on life.

it's an introduction to a PhD on life. It's a great set of volumes just for

It's a great set of volumes just for people to to feed their mind.

people to to feed their mind. How do you learn in a way that you're

How do you learn in a way that you're able to integrate and synthesize the

able to integrate and synthesize the information?

information? How have you learned how to learn? Okay,

How have you learned how to learn? Okay, that's a great one. Okay, now let's

that's a great one. Okay, now let's let's play with that one.

let's play with that one. I had learning problems as you know. So,

I had learning problems as you know. So, as I started to learn and read at age

as I started to learn and read at age 18, I um

18, I um anything I asked myself what worked and

anything I asked myself what worked and what didn't work today and I kept record

what didn't work today and I kept record of it. What allowed me to go more

of it. What allowed me to go more efficiently and what allowed me to be

efficiently and what allowed me to be less efficient.

less efficient. I noticed a bunch of things. I noticed

I noticed a bunch of things. I noticed when I was reading a book, some books I

when I was reading a book, some books I would get my reticular activating system

would get my reticular activating system to would make me fade some topics and

to would make me fade some topics and other topics I would be engaged and

other topics I would be engaged and wouldn't want to go to sleep

wouldn't want to go to sleep and I watched that polarity and I looked

and I watched that polarity and I looked at the content and I asked why is it

at the content and I asked why is it doing that? This is before I knew about

doing that? This is before I knew about values

values and the only way to get through that

and the only way to get through that when I would read. So I wanted to study

when I would read. So I wanted to study all the disciplines but some were less

all the disciplines but some were less inspiring than others is that if I read

inspiring than others is that if I read 20 minutes doing this by the time I was

20 minutes doing this by the time I was fading I would then stop and read 20

fading I would then stop and read 20 minutes over here and I would be wake up

minutes over here and I would be wake up again. And I kept myself going back and

again. And I kept myself going back and forth between those to keep myself

forth between those to keep myself awake. So I could read 20 hours a day

awake. So I could read 20 hours a day because that was my objective to try to

because that was my objective to try to at least devour because I slept four

at least devour because I slept four hours a day for 35 years and I just read

hours a day for 35 years and I just read pretty well or shared. So I found that

pretty well or shared. So I found that then I found that sitting up did a whole

then I found that sitting up did a whole lot better, you know, sitting up in a

lot better, you know, sitting up in a proper posture was way better at reading

proper posture was way better at reading than slouching or sitting sideways. So I

than slouching or sitting sideways. So I found the proper temperature. I found

found the proper temperature. I found water. I drank water. I found anything

water. I drank water. I found anything that caused any perturbation of blood

that caused any perturbation of blood sugar affected reading and learning. So

sugar affected reading and learning. So I drank water and I did yoga breathing

I drank water and I did yoga breathing and I did yogic uh recall at night. And

and I did yogic uh recall at night. And there were certain things that I just

there were certain things that I just accumulated what was working and not

accumulated what was working and not working.

working. I learned about visual guides in reading

I learned about visual guides in reading and I started using visual guides and I

and I started using visual guides and I got faster and faster to where I could

got faster and faster to where I could read one day 11,000 pages. I really

read one day 11,000 pages. I really devoured the reading.

devoured the reading. But I also learned that if I take one

But I also learned that if I take one common theme that I tie all my reading

common theme that I tie all my reading to, when I turned 23 and I learned about

to, when I turned 23 and I learned about values, my my reading accelerated

values, my my reading accelerated vastly. I mean it just took off because

vastly. I mean it just took off because then I realized if I ask the question

then I realized if I ask the question how is this topic helping me fulfill

how is this topic helping me fulfill what's most deeply meaningful my highest

what's most deeply meaningful my highest value what's most inspiring what's most

value what's most inspiring what's most meaningful if I link that and make links

meaningful if I link that and make links the more links I do the more

the more links I do the more photographic and autographic the

photographic and autographic the information becomes

information becomes so that was a major breakthrough on that

so that was a major breakthrough on that then I learned another thing when I was

then I learned another thing when I was doing a presentation to a group of 400

doing a presentation to a group of 400 dentists on on TMJ I was studying

dentists on on TMJ I was studying chiropractic and astronomy and dentistry

chiropractic and astronomy and dentistry at the same time in medicine. And so

at the same time in medicine. And so when I was when I was doing a

when I was when I was doing a presentation to a group of 400 dentists,

presentation to a group of 400 dentists, a guy asked me this challenging question

a guy asked me this challenging question and out of my mind came a literally a

and out of my mind came a literally a photographic image of Gray's anatomy.

photographic image of Gray's anatomy. And I was just reading it off the page

And I was just reading it off the page to him. And then he goes, "Okay, okay, I

to him. And then he goes, "Okay, okay, I got it. You you gave me the answer." And

got it. You you gave me the answer." And then I went home that night and I go,

then I went home that night and I go, "How did I know that page?" Cuz I was

"How did I know that page?" Cuz I was not aware I had that page. I realized

not aware I had that page. I realized one of the great principles of learning

one of the great principles of learning that you have conscious awareness which

that you have conscious awareness which is 0.004%.

is 0.004%. And unconscious awareness which is

And unconscious awareness which is vastly more. So when you're devouring

vastly more. So when you're devouring information you're only getting a small

information you're only getting a small percentage of it. Even though I'm was

percentage of it. Even though I'm was could photograph things still got not

could photograph things still got not everything.

everything. But then when I found out that the

But then when I found out that the second I had a purpose for reading

second I had a purpose for reading the pulvinar nuclei filters the

the pulvinar nuclei filters the information and takes it out of the

information and takes it out of the unconscious and puts it into the

unconscious and puts it into the conscious awareness.

conscious awareness. So when I did that when the guy asked me

So when I did that when the guy asked me the question out of my unconscious I

the question out of my unconscious I didn't even know I knew that page but my

didn't even know I knew that page but my eyes saw it but my pulver nuclei

eyes saw it but my pulver nuclei filtered it out as not pertinent out of

filtered it out as not pertinent out of the infinitude to give me what was most

the infinitude to give me what was most priority

priority and so that area of the brain the top

and so that area of the brain the top end of the reticular activating system

end of the reticular activating system wakes us up and allows us to get the

wakes us up and allows us to get the most pertinent information out of the

most pertinent information out of the infinitude that we we're facing. So when

infinitude that we we're facing. So when you asked the question, now I had a

you asked the question, now I had a purpose for that. It went higher on my

purpose for that. It went higher on my values and it came from the unconscious

values and it came from the unconscious up into the conscious awareness. Well,

up into the conscious awareness. Well, that was a big breakthrough for me

that was a big breakthrough for me because now I realize I can just devour

because now I realize I can just devour volumes and volumes of material visually

volumes and volumes of material visually and the second somebody asked me a

and the second somebody asked me a question, doesn't matter what it is, I

question, doesn't matter what it is, I got access to it. And so I then started

got access to it. And so I then started to do presentations with Q&A to expedite

to do presentations with Q&A to expedite my infinitude unconscious into the

my infinitude unconscious into the conscious awareness to speed up my

conscious awareness to speed up my learning. And that was really very very

learning. And that was really very very uh eye opening for me. So now I realized

uh eye opening for me. So now I realized and I also realized that why I was

and I also realized that why I was waking up and going to sleep originally

waking up and going to sleep originally was valuedriven. When things were linked

was valuedriven. When things were linked to my values, I got the reticular

to my values, I got the reticular activating system and the pulvinar

activating system and the pulvinar nuclei allowed it in. If it wasn't

nuclei allowed it in. If it wasn't linked, fall asleep, unimportant.

linked, fall asleep, unimportant. So then I realized that whatever I read,

So then I realized that whatever I read, every class I took, it's part of my

every class I took, it's part of my speedreading program that I taught for

speedreading program that I taught for years. I would take whatever class you

years. I would take whatever class you were taking, whatever the topic is, and

were taking, whatever the topic is, and I asked how specifically is studying

I asked how specifically is studying this topic helping me fulfill my highest

this topic helping me fulfill my highest value, the most important information,

value, the most important information, which is the evolution of human

which is the evolution of human consciousness and how to maximize human

consciousness and how to maximize human awareness and potential and to help

awareness and potential and to help people understand the divine

people understand the divine magnificent. So I would link whatever it

magnificent. So I would link whatever it is, physics, mathematics, science, I

is, physics, mathematics, science, I don't care what it is, I would link it

don't care what it is, I would link it except cars and

except cars and cooking. I linked it all to that

cooking. I linked it all to that objective because I didn't want to take

objective because I didn't want to take up time eating. I wanted I wanted I used

up time eating. I wanted I wanted I used to have um all these bowls of nuts and

to have um all these bowls of nuts and seeds and dried fruit and a thing of

seeds and dried fruit and a thing of water here and my eating and I had a

water here and my eating and I had a thimble uh and a sponge that was wet

thimble uh and a sponge that was wet because as I was speedreading my my

because as I was speedreading my my fingers would get I would lose the

fingers would get I would lose the finger uh fingerprints as I'm reading.

finger uh fingerprints as I'm reading. So I had to use a thimble and I had to

So I had to use a thimble and I had to use a sponge to moisten it to be able to

use a sponge to moisten it to be able to keep turning pages. And I had food there

keep turning pages. And I had food there so I wouldn't lose time having to be

so I wouldn't lose time having to be distracted by eating. The only thing

distracted by eating. The only thing that would distract me from my reading

that would distract me from my reading was to go pee.

was to go pee. You were reading so much the literal

You were reading so much the literal text.

text. The finger the fingertips were gone. I

The finger the fingertips were gone. I couldn't do it cuz it because you burn

couldn't do it cuz it because you burn you you get the pages get hot and you

you you get the pages get hot and you end up getting you get burned. Your

end up getting you get burned. Your fingers get burned.

fingers get burned. Oh my god. It's just an incredible

Oh my god. It's just an incredible visual. Wow.

visual. Wow. But I learned that the the visual

But I learned that the the visual reading, you know, you most people read

reading, you know, you most people read at the speed at which they speak.

at the speed at which they speak. And if you speak fast, you can read

And if you speak fast, you can read fast. If you can't, you're going to read

fast. If you can't, you're going to read slow. Guarantee it. Because your phone

slow. Guarantee it. Because your phone names, that is how you were taught

names, that is how you were taught reading.

reading. Yeah.

Yeah. You have to break the sound barrier, go

You have to break the sound barrier, go into the visual system to be able to go

into the visual system to be able to go to faster reading. And so I just allowed

to faster reading. And so I just allowed myself to devour information. And I

myself to devour information. And I didn't even care if I got it

didn't even care if I got it consciously. Hm.

consciously. Hm. I would specifically set up questions

I would specifically set up questions for people to ask me to find out what I

for people to ask me to find out what I did read

did read to prove to me that I could get access

to prove to me that I could get access to the unconscious.

to the unconscious. So that's the way that you would train

So that's the way that you would train your recall capacity. Would you was

your recall capacity. Would you was there a note takingaking or highlighting

there a note takingaking or highlighting system or?

system or? Yes. As I was speedreading it, I use a

Yes. As I was speedreading it, I use a pencil.

pencil. Uhhuh.

Uhhuh. And I created a coding system.

And I created a coding system. uh spiritual, mental, vocational,

uh spiritual, mental, vocational, financial, family, social and physical

financial, family, social and physical because I wanted to master those areas.

because I wanted to master those areas. And then I did spiritual

And then I did spiritual SPM, spiritual meditation, SPA,

SPM, spiritual meditation, SPA, affirmations, SP, you know, rituals, R.

affirmations, SP, you know, rituals, R. So I broke every thing I was studying

So I broke every thing I was studying into these subcomponents.

into these subcomponents. And then as I'm speedreading going

And then as I'm speedreading going through it with a pencil and and you you

through it with a pencil and and you you start out with you're doing a line and

start out with you're doing a line and line on line and then you end up

line on line and then you end up narrowing it tighter and eventually just

narrowing it tighter and eventually just go down the page. But whenever I would

go down the page. But whenever I would read something that was of pertinence or

read something that was of pertinence or a quote or something, I would

a quote or something, I would immediately put out a coding on the side

immediately put out a coding on the side of the page and I'd underline what that

of the page and I'd underline what that thing is as I'm going through it. So

thing is as I'm going through it. So then I could hand that and delegate that

then I could hand that and delegate that to a lady that typed 110 words a minute

to a lady that typed 110 words a minute to type that out and put the reference

to type that out and put the reference in there and to categorize them

in there and to categorize them alphabetically into my encyclopedia

alphabetically into my encyclopedia system. So that way I could just keep

system. So that way I could just keep reading and then I would have the

reading and then I would have the information all sorted and all ready for

information all sorted and all ready for me when I needed it. And it was by

me when I needed it. And it was by topics. I use synopican idea and I would

topics. I use synopican idea and I would synthesize the topics and then whenever

synthesize the topics and then whenever I was doing a presentation I'd pull up

I was doing a presentation I'd pull up everything that I'd ever read from any

everything that I'd ever read from any other source or any seminar and I did it

other source or any seminar and I did it on index cards originally. So I only put

on index cards originally. So I only put one idea per card and I put all the

one idea per card and I put all the cards through these u topical systems

cards through these u topical systems and abbreviated it and I had my own

and abbreviated it and I had my own abbreviation system and kind of a

abbreviation system and kind of a shorthand. So when I took notes from

shorthand. So when I took notes from classes, I developed a shorthand. I took

classes, I developed a shorthand. I took all the vowels out and I just put

all the vowels out and I just put consonants ends and I shortened it down

consonants ends and I shortened it down so I could get every single word that

so I could get every single word that anybody said and I could quote back to

anybody said and I could quote back to them. Um, and that way I had the best

them. Um, and that way I had the best notes. And then I would sell those to

notes. And then I would sell those to students that would want to do it

students that would want to do it because I got the top grades. They'd

because I got the top grades. They'd want to get my notes and I would sell

want to get my notes and I would sell them. That way I was getting paid to

them. That way I was getting paid to study because I always say anytime you

study because I always say anytime you want to do what you love, you always

want to do what you love, you always going to ask, "How do I get handsomely

going to ask, "How do I get handsomely paid to do what I love?"

paid to do what I love?" So I got paid to study. I made $100,000

So I got paid to study. I made $100,000 a year teaching and studying when I was

a year teaching and studying when I was in school, when I was in my early 20s.

in school, when I was in my early 20s. As someone who's devoured such a heap of

As someone who's devoured such a heap of knowledge and information, how do you

knowledge and information, how do you delineate what's your own original idea

delineate what's your own original idea versus information you've read?

versus information you've read? Good question. Hard because it's a

Good question. Hard because it's a synthesis.

synthesis. Now my methodology

Now my methodology uh that I've developed is an original

uh that I've developed is an original piece of work but this underlying

piece of work but this underlying components you can trace back.

components you can trace back. So um when you're doing where do I do

So um when you're doing where do I do the same thing? Well, that can go back

the same thing? Well, that can go back to Islamic teachings the sixth century.

to Islamic teachings the sixth century. You can go back to Christian teachings

You can go back to Christian teachings in the first century. you go back to

in the first century. you go back to Egyptian teachings on tomb in uh four

Egyptian teachings on tomb in uh four millennium back and I don't know some

millennium back and I don't know some earlier text uh I have a friend that's

earlier text uh I have a friend that's got the largest collection of private

got the largest collection of private texts in the world and um about almost

texts in the world and um about almost $6 billion worth of ancient manuscripts

$6 billion worth of ancient manuscripts and texts that he got out of Iraq and

and texts that he got out of Iraq and different places around the world and

different places around the world and looking at some of his oldest texts a

looking at some of his oldest texts a lot of stuff goes back 3,000 4,000 years

lot of stuff goes back 3,000 4,000 years if you can decipher it and put it into

if you can decipher it and put it into because I couldn't decipher the uniform

because I couldn't decipher the uniform but I see the English translation of it.

but I see the English translation of it. Some of these principles go way back and

Some of these principles go way back and some of them don't even have a name on

some of them don't even have a name on where they originate.

where they originate. So I'm an originator of a new form of

So I'm an originator of a new form of comi common combining things.

comi common combining things. Origination can be sometimes a new

Origination can be sometimes a new combination.

combination. But some of the principles don't know if

But some of the principles don't know if we're new. Now the complete synthesis

we're new. Now the complete synthesis synchronistic opposites which I call my

synchronistic opposites which I call my great discovery which is to me the

great discovery which is to me the greatest discovery in psychology that's

greatest discovery in psychology that's that's I've come across um I haven't

that's I've come across um I haven't seen anywhere but I've seen reference to

seen anywhere but I've seen reference to it in Young's work but he didn't have a

it in Young's work but he didn't have a tool then how to do it. I saw it as as

tool then how to do it. I saw it as as unity of opposites in Heracle's work but

unity of opposites in Heracle's work but he didn't have a tool to do it. So I was

he didn't have a tool to do it. So I was able to create the tool that allowed

able to create the tool that allowed them to do it. I spoke at uh New York

them to do it. I spoke at uh New York University to the physics department,

University to the physics department, psychology department, and there's a

psychology department, and there's a packed room hot. At the end of it, the

packed room hot. At the end of it, the professor said, "If Jung was alive

professor said, "If Jung was alive today, he'd be using your method." I

today, he'd be using your method." I said, "I believe that." Because he he

said, "I believe that." Because he he understood, but he didn't and he had a

understood, but he didn't and he had a framework, but he didn't have a tool to

framework, but he didn't have a tool to access the synchronicity

access the synchronicity uh and simultaneity.

uh and simultaneity. Wilhelm want in 1897 in his principles

Wilhelm want in 1897 in his principles of psychology said that there's

of psychology said that there's simultaneous contrast and sequential

simultaneous contrast and sequential contrast. Sequential contrast that

contrast. Sequential contrast that creates the perturbations and the

creates the perturbations and the vicissitudes of perception but the

vicissitudes of perception but the simultaneous contrast is where love and

simultaneous contrast is where love and wisdom is he. He said if you have that

wisdom is he. He said if you have that you got stability.

you got stability. So but he didn't have a tool no

So but he didn't have a tool no reference in it in his text. So I think

reference in it in his text. So I think I've developed a tool on how to do that

I've developed a tool on how to do that that's methodical, that's reproducible,

that's methodical, that's reproducible, that's duplicatable, that works in every

that's duplicatable, that works in every culture, translatable. So that part I

culture, translatable. So that part I think is relatively original until I

think is relatively original until I find somebody that maybe have done that

find somebody that maybe have done that earlier that I just didn't have didn't

earlier that I just didn't have didn't come across yet.

come across yet. Yeah. I always find it fascinating even

Yeah. I always find it fascinating even in my own life with my own writing where

in my own life with my own writing where I like come across what I think or

I like come across what I think or perceive in the moment as an relatively

perceive in the moment as an relatively novel idea or phrasing of of wording and

novel idea or phrasing of of wording and then come to read some sort of ancient

then come to read some sort of ancient text or like this guy Iban Arabi who's

text or like this guy Iban Arabi who's uh an amazing writer and like thousands

uh an amazing writer and like thousands years back saying saying the exact same

years back saying saying the exact same thing and it's uh

thing and it's uh I guess it just makes me inquire about

I guess it just makes me inquire about the possibility of what an original idea

the possibility of what an original idea really even is, if it's possible, the

really even is, if it's possible, the rarity of one, if so. Uh, and then what

rarity of one, if so. Uh, and then what seems like when you devour such a large

seems like when you devour such a large heap of information and you're creating

heap of information and you're creating what is a unique sort of framework or

what is a unique sort of framework or model that maybe has never been uh put

model that maybe has never been uh put together in the way that you have with

together in the way that you have with your value system and the D Martini

your value system and the D Martini process, for example. Well, Herbert

process, for example. Well, Herbert Spencer

Spencer was trying to create kind of a universal

was trying to create kind of a universal evolutionary model.

evolutionary model. you know, the survival of the fittest is

you know, the survival of the fittest is from him that Darwin kind of played with

from him that Darwin kind of played with and that has a completely different

and that has a completely different distorted meaning today. It's like

distorted meaning today. It's like aggression. The survival of the fitness

aggression. The survival of the fitness has nothing to do with the aggression

has nothing to do with the aggression really because I'll use an analogy. If

really because I'll use an analogy. If you're infatuated with somebody

you're infatuated with somebody and um they represent prey

and um they represent prey and you had no predator and you had only

and you had no predator and you had only prey, you'd be gluttonous and fat and

prey, you'd be gluttonous and fat and lose fitness. If you had predator and

lose fitness. If you had predator and you resented somebody and they represent

you resented somebody and they represent predator and no prey, you starve in a

predator and no prey, you starve in a maze shape and lose fitness. But if you

maze shape and lose fitness. But if you put the prey and predator together, you

put the prey and predator together, you maximize fitness. So survival of the

maximize fitness. So survival of the fitness or thrival of the fitness is

fitness or thrival of the fitness is really the person who's able to

really the person who's able to integrate the pair of opposites, not the

integrate the pair of opposites, not the person that dominates.

person that dominates. Although they dominate because they

Although they dominate because they survive, they're not having to be

survive, they're not having to be aggressive any more than passive.

aggressive any more than passive. They've integrated it. Because if

They've integrated it. Because if they're aggressive to a predator, they

they're aggressive to a predator, they may be passive to their own offspring.

may be passive to their own offspring. You know, when you're when you're

You know, when you're when you're protecting your own children, you're

protecting your own children, you're being kind and you're being cruel. And

being kind and you're being cruel. And people think you can separate the

people think you can separate the inseparables, but you can't. That's why

inseparables, but you can't. That's why nice and mean are not really separable.

nice and mean are not really separable. People think, "Well, that's a nice

People think, "Well, that's a nice thing." No, it isn't. Or that's a mean

thing." No, it isn't. Or that's a mean thing. No, it isn't. It's neither.

thing. No, it isn't. It's neither. We've got caught in the trap of the

We've got caught in the trap of the labels and naming the inevitables.

A big golden thread throughout this whole conversation and what I think will

whole conversation and what I think will leave more evoked within my own life is

leave more evoked within my own life is when somebody comes to me with a

when somebody comes to me with a perceived problem or thought around

perceived problem or thought around reality uh a perception a judgment when

reality uh a perception a judgment when it comes up within me it's just such a

it comes up within me it's just such a liberating it it feels so much more

liberating it it feels so much more spacious to have the inquiry of what is

spacious to have the inquiry of what is the complimentary opposite what is the

the complimentary opposite what is the other perspective that is also here

other perspective that is also here coupled within this experience and it

coupled within this experience and it allows I feel that could just will

allows I feel that could just will continue to allow me and allow everybody

continue to allow me and allow everybody who's listening to walk through life not

who's listening to walk through life not clinging on to our ideas of how reality

clinging on to our ideas of how reality should be in a dogmatic persona but uh

should be in a dogmatic persona but uh allowing the mystery to to permeate our

allowing the mystery to to permeate our being a bit more

being a bit more that's well said that that summarizes it

that's well said that that summarizes it uh holy curiosity Einstein said he used

uh holy curiosity Einstein said he used to say and I'm paraphrasing it's enough

to say and I'm paraphrasing it's enough for me on a daily base to sit in awe

for me on a daily base to sit in awe contemplating

contemplating the intelligence that permeates the

the intelligence that permeates the universe. I think that's a nice way of

universe. I think that's a nice way of saying it. And

saying it. And you know whether or not somebody

you know whether or not somebody the mysteries of reductionism that

the mysteries of reductionism that they've been trying to solve on the hard

they've been trying to solve on the hard problem in consciousness

problem in consciousness um hasn't been solved. And believe it or

um hasn't been solved. And believe it or not, some of the pcratics already

not, some of the pcratics already conceived the brain as the as the

conceived the brain as the as the receipt of the of the consciousness.

receipt of the of the consciousness. That was already that's back at the

That was already that's back at the pistocratics

pistocratics and

and we haven't really made a whole lot of

we haven't really made a whole lot of progress there. We've reduced it down to

progress there. We've reduced it down to quantum levels and now there's quantum

quantum levels and now there's quantum theories you know and microtubules and

theories you know and microtubules and there's tubulin and now there's quantum

there's tubulin and now there's quantum entanglement. Now there's photo

entanglement. Now there's photo dissection of of biomolelecules and

dissection of of biomolelecules and photons going all over the body and

photons going all over the body and there I mean I've I've had fun with it.

there I mean I've I've had fun with it. To me, the most fundamental level of

To me, the most fundamental level of consciousness would be the quantum

consciousness would be the quantum vacuum creating virtual photons and

vacuum creating virtual photons and virtual particle nanoparticles.

virtual particle nanoparticles. And at that level, that's one thing

And at that level, that's one thing common pany to all parts of the brain.

common pany to all parts of the brain. So maybe it's going in out just like a a

So maybe it's going in out just like a a proton is actually an inner play of

proton is actually an inner play of quarks and gluons and bisonons and it's

quarks and gluons and bisonons and it's a dance out of the quantum vacuum into

a dance out of the quantum vacuum into existence and not and we we think

existence and not and we we think they're stable systems but they're

they're stable systems but they're actually murky and um it's possible that

actually murky and um it's possible that the information that's sitting in there

the information that's sitting in there and the storage of that um is the same

and the storage of that um is the same thing as our consciousness. It's

thing as our consciousness. It's actually just emerging and submerging in

actually just emerging and submerging in the quantum vacuum into our into our

the quantum vacuum into our into our brain and out of our brain. I mean we be

brain and out of our brain. I mean we be looking for this you know pursuit of

looking for this you know pursuit of this finding this location in the brain

this finding this location in the brain right even though we know that it

right even though we know that it integrates in the media prefrontal

integrates in the media prefrontal cortex of ventral we know that we have

cortex of ventral we know that we have action potentials there um and we have

action potentials there um and we have different modules of the brain for

different modules of the brain for different functions because if we can

different functions because if we can destroy that area we can alter those

destroy that area we can alter those functions. There's still something more

functions. There's still something more fundamental. And

fundamental. And right now with our level of

right now with our level of understanding and our math, the quantum

understanding and our math, the quantum vacuum would probably be the most pans

vacuum would probably be the most pans psychic source that may be underlying

psychic source that may be underlying the whole thing. But this is just

the whole thing. But this is just speculation.

speculation. I love so much of what you just shared

I love so much of what you just shared and will need to be postponed

and will need to be postponed additionally for for a third

additionally for for a third conversation at some point. But I just

conversation at some point. But I just find it I do find it so fascinating um

find it I do find it so fascinating um how I'm also in the midst of preparing

how I'm also in the midst of preparing for a podcast I'm doing tomorrow with

for a podcast I'm doing tomorrow with Dr. Ian McIllchrist who

Dr. Ian McIllchrist who Oh, he's bright.

Oh, he's bright. He's he's amazing.

He's he's amazing. Lovely guy.

Lovely guy. Um but

Um but he understands unitive opposites.

he understands unitive opposites. Yeah, I'm excited. This is a a full

Yeah, I'm excited. This is a a full week. I'm excited these conversations

week. I'm excited these conversations all bounce and fulfill off of one

all bounce and fulfill off of one another. And uh but I I just bring that

another. And uh but I I just bring that up because he speaks the different ways

up because he speaks the different ways and capacities of knowing both within

and capacities of knowing both within the left and left and and right

the left and left and and right hemisphere. Um and the a in inherent

hemisphere. Um and the a in inherent asymmetry within our brain and how great

asymmetry within our brain and how great innovation almost unanimously comes

innovation almost unanimously comes through letting go of priors and known

through letting go of priors and known and the imagination and the intuition is

and the imagination and the intuition is actually where the great discoveries

actually where the great discoveries throughout all ages have come from and

throughout all ages have come from and what that could say about our own life

what that could say about our own life as we come into that place of stillness

as we come into that place of stillness and quiet and allow us to renovate what

and quiet and allow us to renovate what it means to be human in our life, you

it means to be human in our life, you know. So, it's a it's a great balance

know. So, it's a it's a great balance and I've just appreciated your awareness

and I've just appreciated your awareness of of the two. So,

of of the two. So, well, I loved our conversation last time

well, I loved our conversation last time and I'd love this conversation this

and I'd love this conversation this time. And who knows, maybe there'll be

time. And who knows, maybe there'll be another time.

another time. I I feel I feel so honored if so the

I I feel I feel so honored if so the this conversation is so fulfilling and

this conversation is so fulfilling and uh it is I can tell by the excitement

uh it is I can tell by the excitement and aliveness throughout the whole

and aliveness throughout the whole conversation, both this time and last,

conversation, both this time and last, like this is just uh it's such a gift to

like this is just uh it's such a gift to be able to do this, to have these

be able to do this, to have these values, to have these curiosities, but

values, to have these curiosities, but then to be in conversation about it. um

then to be in conversation about it. um it's just so meaningful for me. So,

it's just so meaningful for me. So, thank you so much for the work.

thank you so much for the work. Thank you for the great questions and

Thank you for the great questions and for the opportunity to be with you again

for the opportunity to be with you again and uh whoever may be listening um just

and uh whoever may be listening um just know that there's a 12step program

know that there's a 12step program called Survivors of D. Martini.

called Survivors of D. Martini. So, in case you didn't understand, uh

So, in case you didn't understand, uh something I said, maybe I'll have the

something I said, maybe I'll have the opportunity to someday meet you and

opportunity to someday meet you and clarify it.

clarify it. Yeah, I Yeah, thank you for mentioning.

Yeah, I Yeah, thank you for mentioning. I mean everybody linked in description

I mean everybody linked in description as always will be our guests information

as always will be our guests information of his work, his courses. Uh we

of his work, his courses. Uh we scratched the tip of the tip of the

scratched the tip of the tip of the iceberg when it comes to your process

iceberg when it comes to your process and uh being able to actually really

and uh being able to actually really identify our own core values and and all

identify our own core values and and all these things. And so I encourage people

these things. And so I encourage people to if they feel called take a gander. Uh

to if they feel called take a gander. Uh thank you so much.

thank you so much. Thank you again

Thank you again everybody. Thank you. Until next time,

everybody. Thank you. Until next time, be well. We did it.

be well. We did it. Found it.

Hallelujah. [Music]

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