The discussion revolves around the effectiveness and validity of a self-defense tactic where an individual drops to their back when attacked with a knife, as demonstrated in a video. This tactic, while successful for the demonstrator, sparked significant online debate and criticism regarding its practicality and adherence to established self-defense principles.
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Uh me and Pew View did the 21 ft rule
for a video on his channel. Yeah. It got
a it got a ton of views. You know the
whole like if they're within 21 ft with
a knife, you don't have time to draw
your weapon. Whatever. Whatever. Unless
you're We were testing it and uh I got
within 10 ft and I was able to shoot him
like five times before he got me. But
the way I did it was as soon as he ran
at me, I dropped down to my back like
jiujitsu, like pulled guard basically
and drew my gun and shot five times. And
the internet did not like that. They
were very upset cuz you need to get off
the X. And it's like, bro, this is like
a normal like I get attacked at the
mall. This isn't like armed conflict in
a war zone where I need to get off the X
and find cover. There's one man with a
knife. Get off the I've never heard that
terminology. Oh, bro. The amount of
comments from [ __ ] mall ninja experts
is hilarious.
What? Wait, what is get off the X? Get
off the X, at least in my experience,
was uh like when somebody was shot in
like medic training, wherever they were
shot and down was called the X. And like
as a medic, your job was to like as soon
as you have covering fire, run out
there, put a tourniquet on, and then the
next stage of like first aid medical
care was to get the guy off the X to
safety, and then you can worry about
airway, breathing, circulation, all the
rest of your um you know, your trauma
assessment. So like they're like, you
have to you have to get off the X
immediately. I was like, what the [ __ ]
are you guys talking about? You pulled
uh without knowing it, you pulled Ender
from Ender's game when they would do the
free flow. You remember that's how they
would actually battle in space is like
hop down on back, freeze legs, then fly
because also you're if they attack you,
you have your legs, they're going to cut
your shins or feet, but you still can
pump rounds in. Well, that was my
theory. And then my other theory when I
did it, I was like the other cool thing
about this is is like if you're a cop or
law enforcement, maybe I'm [ __ ]
Rich, you can tell me, but my theory was
like, yeah, that's fair.
Um, like if if one cop is about to get
stabbed and he drops to his back and
draws his gun, then he's out of like the
line of fire for all these all his
buddies to also do [ __ ] instead of
trying to wrestle with a dude with a knife.
knife.
Like you have your feet in leather. No,
we we do not train fall backwards on
your back at all, Nick. At all. Which is
why when you're like, "Yeah, I just fell
on my back and did it." Cuz it's not
like I'm like I'm in a ball or anything.
I'm like, "No, no, Nicholas. I sent you
the I sent you the video. It's I don't
need to watch your video to know how
good you shoot when you're on your back.
Trust me, I know how good you shoot when
you're on your I think Nick, I I you
have my especially without knowing I
like because you uh you're protected.
You have your soles of your shoes, which
are going to be [ __ ] leather or
whatever unless you're wearing
flip-flops. You can defend with that.
And then you have the most stable
platform possible now with multip Yeah.
flip-flop on I'm just imagining Brandon
Herrera getting stabbed through the foot
like Jesus on the cross with his feet
pinned to the wood. No, [ __ ] my feet. As
he shoots his big toe off and misses the
guy. Dude, that's crazy how fast they
closed that distance though with 21 ft.
I will say it was alarming. Yeah, you
was terrified. In in most scenarios,
what you want to do when someone's
chasing you with a knife and you're
aware of it and you're trying to draw
and shoot them in self-defense is you
want to run sideways, which sounds like
that sounds like you just you want to
run sideways so that you can continue
making distance from you and the person
and still see them and draw on them. Do
I have to yell? That's what you want to
do. You can do whatever you want,
Nicholas. As long as you're I mean, if
you want to fall on your back and shoot
your kneecaps off and then wonder how he
fell on top of you and still stabbed you
in the heart after you shot him four
times, cuz that's the thing, right?
Like, but they don't just drop when you
shoot them. Like, dick, you could shoot
them five or six times. That's the
point. You're not getting past my legs.
Yeah. Fall on you and still cut you. Do
you think I can't leg press a grown man
from falling on me?
They could throw me if I if I ran at
Nick and I landed on his tucked legs. I
guarantee Nick is going to yeet my dead
Mexican ass 12 feet back and continue to
shoot me like a clay pigeon. Like a
little your brown disc. I'm just getting
[ __ ] melted. A little brown disc. I
love that. Um, that's my new tongue for
Mexicans. They're Look at all those
brown dishes. Somebody used to wash
them. Uh, they No, like let me just put
this out there. All right, let me Neil
Deg Grass Tyson this and talk about
science. Okay, in order to launch
somebody, right, our legs act like
springs. Meaning that your legs would
need to be compressed in order for you
to then kick him off of you. And with
your legs compressed, this this happens
to your torso and stomach and thighs. Is
he not shooting? I'm not letting
you I don't think I feel like you guys
are [ __ ] with me because this this is
this is I'm politely
saying please don't do that. The better
option is not to fall on your back. It's
to run sideways and away and still draw.
There's a lot of there's actually a lot
of really good police in like where they
do shootings breakdowns of police
officers being chased by guys with uh
with knives and they run sideways to
create more distance instead of just
letting the guy constantly sprint with
them at a dead stop. Gives them more
time to draw. And if you do fall down
and you miss or you just hit him a
couple of times in the stomach, none of
them are kill shots. He can fall on top
of you and yes, eventually you can kick
him off, but that still allows him to
potentially stab you. It's not as good
as running sideways, side stepping,
creating more distance. Will you watch
the damn video? No, not now. It's I
already know. You've told me how dumb it
is. You've told me the peak of
brilliance in this video is you lying on
your back waiting to get [ __ ] by a
dude with a knife. This is why I hate
Brazilian jiu-jitsu and I like sombo.
Yeah, cuz you're just like, "Hey, come
on. Fight me. Come on, fight me. I'm on
my back." I know. Cuz all all the elite
fighters are trained sombo, guys. Come
on. Yes. No, cuz [ __ ] teaches you to
get up off the ground. It doesn't teach
you to fall back and take guard and then
just get [ __ ] kicked in the face. I
didn't take guard. I pulled put two
limbs between me and my attacker and
drew a
gun. So gay. You're so gay. You're Oh
god. It's so much man. It's so much
manlier running. Running away. Sideways
and drawing. Yeah. Sideways and drawing
instead of laying there with your legs
played open for him to insert inside
your anus. I'll tell you what. You're
You're laying on your back with your
legs up like a prom date, but me running
sideways. That's embarrassing. You're
already shot five times, Rich.
We can We can have the editor put the
video in. The world can judge.
I love this. This is embarrassing. You
You You don't even know how wrong you
are and you're like, "This is great.
This is great." I agree. Oh god. I You
know what it is? is I think it's I think
it's because my mindset is like the plus
one thing where it's like hey if there's
one shooter you can't be on the ground
cuz something else could happen and
there's always people that are like
willing to take advantage of police
officers. You are like there's only one
guy there's only one me once I once I
end it like that's cool. There's no
there's no secondary or potential for
secondary threat and uh maybe and that's
why we will we will mourn uh your
passing. We'll see. Yeah, it's okay.
I'll I'll I'll bring the I'll bring the
demo knife and the airsoft gun to Texas.
We can do it in person, me and you.
It'll be great. Oh, and then you'll be
like, "Oh, that was effective." And
you're not all dirty like, "Yeah." Oh,
no. I don't I don't think that your
tactic is ineffective. I just think that
mine is also effective.
I said that mine is preferential and
that yours could be effective, but not
as preferential. And then you acted like
it was a godsend to fall on your back
and display your taint for your
assaulter. And then I was like, "No, no,
no. Okay, we've gone too far. You you
you are Icorus. You've flown your
[ __ ] too close to the sun whilst
laying on your back spled with your
perneium tanning as a man tries to
assault you with a knife." I get also
Nick, did actually question because I
haven't watched the video. When you
dropped on your back, was the guy
confused for a moment? Yeah, he
absolutely was, "What the [ __ ] was going
on?" I shot him [ __ ] Yeah, literally.
I was I was going to say I was like that
would probably throw off an attacker for
a a split second cuz you're like why?
What the [ __ ] Why did he do that? Like
you got to hit watch the video and I
called it because I was like that would
[ __ ] with me. I'm like charging a guy
and he falls be like uh I would do that
one that.5 second like what the [ __ ] and
then I would get shot in the [ __ ]
headquis why did you fall to the ground
and then shoot the man while I killed
him with the element of surprise your
honor literally literally as Nick said
he's like hey he was like what the
[ __ ] I hope I I can't wait to read the
comments underneath this from everybody
in pepper box being like oh dude it's a
debate It's literally the argument we
just had but complete strangers on the
internet of like that's super effective
and no that's [ __ ] Nick's drop
theory at 647 has another bonus. The
barrics are much more out of the way.
The classic technique of throwing one
arm out usually puts your arm
dangerously in line with the own path of
fire since aiming at the same place your
hand is likely to be and b you can't
extend your gun arm to actually use the
sights. Hold on. Hold on. Did this
person, And I want to make sure I'm not
[ __ ] I want to make sure I
understand it. Did they say that uh Nick
laying on the ground? Yeah, he didn't
think about his legs. What's that? He
wasn't thinking about the legs, but I'm
assuming like the legs being in [ __ ] in
front of him instead of his hand. So,
two massive watch on camera. No, on
camera. On camera. Tuck your put your
arms out like you're actually punching
out your gun and put your knees up. Look
what happens. Your arms naturally go in
between your knees. Go do it right now.
I can look at you. Let me see it. I'm
not I know. Do it like Look. Put your
knees up and punch your gun out.
before. I've shot my back before. He
ain't shooting his legs.
That That is just You know what that
reminds me of? That reminds me of that
riches. That reminds me of the scene in
um uh the Tiger King. What's his name?
Joe Exotic. Joe Exotic when his gay
lover is like, "You got a magazine
outside of the Ruger. It won't fire.
Pow." And then [ __ ] ends it
unintentionally. That is the exact same
logic that you've got. Hey man, when you
lay down on your back, you automatically
won't shoot your legs cuz your your
hands go in between. Especially when
you're kicking the guy off of you and
your feet are flailing around and you're
moving and [ __ ] It's impossible to
shoot yourself. This is I love you all.
This is one of the mind-numbingly
dumbest conversations. And you both are
like, "No, this is genius. Why are you
attacking it?" Because it's not is it's
not as good as simply, ready for this?
Just standing up, remaining up, and then
giving yourself not the same amount of
time, but falling backwards for the man
to attack you, but more time. You get
more time to pull, draw, fire
effectively, and put things in between
you when you just run to the side. Just
just just sidest stepping him. Can I
guard. I love it. You know, it's you know
know
just we needed Nick to crawl so that we
could run. And if if if not for the
content, that is that is that is a gold
video just based on the Neil Degross
Tyson level of back and forth ridiculous
comments and arguments going on in the
comment section. That alone, just the
vitriolic everybody going about it that
way, it's it it's going to create a lot
of controversy. I Dude, these comments
are wow. I love it. Nick pull in a
desperado drop to his ass's
peak. Like there is literally it's just
a fight going on between all the comments.
Action move. Mad prop. That's the most
Brazilian jiu-jitsu thing I've ever
heard is even with a firearm, your
response is to drop to guard. Yeah. this
maximize the amount of limbs that I can
have in the fight. One limb to when one
limb to three. It's it's like it it like
the light-skinned jokes, the BJJ
jokes. Uh it they're they're like the
same. They're like one and the same.
It's like and and CrossFit, it's the
most cross-fitty light-skinned BJJ thing
you could do is just Oh, I'm in a
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