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This content is a podcast interview with Casey Stoner, discussing his transition from MotoGP to golf, his analytical approach to sports, the mental pressures of professional racing, and the importance of sacrifice and dedication in achieving success.

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I met a gypsy Casey Stoner welcome to

Gypsy Tales podcast been waiting a while

to say that we've uh we've done well

today round of golf this morning you

shoot your uh lowest round ever then we

have a great lunch at Palm Springs here

on the goal Coast now for this in for

the podcast and then a brand new 450

waiting to be picked up this is we've

waited for the right day we have waited

for the right day and it's uh and what a

day as well it um with all this bad

weather that's been around us it turned

it on for us today for sure so 75 on the

cards today three over even through the

first nine pretty impressive uh round of

golf and with all the uh pretty

impressive choke as well in the second

last hole I think it was probably your

your playing partner was probably just

bringing you down the vibe I think it

was the vibe I started trying to follow

you a little bit too much yeah yeah that

we can say that but uh it's it's funny

we we had the group chat a group chat

going with jet and Hunter um there's a a

young crop of riders in Formula 1 in uh

the Moto GP guys the AMA Motocross and

Supercross I feel like they would all

get walked

around by your boy over here uh I don't

think so I think on any given day uh you

know golf is generally the winner um

that's that's one thing we sport I don't

think anybody has ever defeated

golf um because uh you know it's too

hard to be perfect it's too hard to get

everything right all the time and you

know if your body's not right and a

little bit of timing off then then

things get very very tricky so it's uh

it's a game of millimeters you know by

the time you hit the club face and then

you know by the time is 2 300 yards down

there all of a sudden it's it's not

millimeters it's meters in the wrong

direction so it's uh no it's a tricky

game but it's something I think uh seems

to be a growing sport as much as people

say it's not yeah um you know there's a

there's a lot more people that I know of

playing it um at a much younger age and

like you said you know there's a there's

a young prop of drivers Riders

everything that seems to be going out

there and uh enjoying it and between

races what better thing is there to do

really yeah a lot like low impact and

then obviously like the challenging

aspect of it it was actually one thing

um I didn't know where exactly we should

start with the the podcast but maybe

this is like probably a good a good

launch off point is you go from like I I

just can relate to your brain so like

we're we're real similar the way that we

think about certain things and the the

way that we can enjoy certain things and

I was thinking about it last night that

you go from like one of the gnarliest

sports at like I just I don't think

there's anything that you can do that's

much crazier than Moto GP and then from

that you go to golf and you find the but

I think it's you get the it's like an

easy ju position to make but there's

actually there so much more similar with

the way that you look at everything so

it's almost like take out the uh the

craziness and the adrenaline side of the

Moto GP [ __ ] and there's just technical

information and there's angles and

there's millimeters there's Precision

there's like there's so much that like I

know that your brain can like dive into

and then there's like the repetition

that you can get and it's just like

every time is just like thousandth is

better you know instead of like uh you

know that corner was this or or these

big chunks it's like you just enjoy the

nuances of things so to go from Moto GP

to being super into golf it might seem

like this crazy transition from the

outside but with me like knowing how you

look at things I'm like ah this is

actually perfect like it's the same

thing it it gives me um for me the the

best part about golf is that there's no

way like I said there's no way to ever

beat golf there's no way to be perfect

and it's one thing that I was a big

believer in M GP that other people

aren't you know to people throw around

the word perfect too much or I couldn't

do that any better it's like well you

could actually um the setup can always

be better you can always break a little

later you can always get the bike to

turn a little more pick it up a little

earlier get on the throttle a little

earlier um there's always ways to be

better and that's the great thing about

golf is that for me at the moment

especially there's still big chunks to

be made uh whereas in motor GP you were

looking at every little tiny Advantage

you could get you know you're using

every bit of track you can you're trying

to get the bike to do exactly what you

want get the right feeling um it's

something that you're searching for with

golf as well but um like you said you

know you don't have the uh the same

impact it's not quite as crazy Etc but

um you know certainly pressures wise I

think um you know a lot of young

Sportsmen and women would do well uh to

actually get into a sport like this

where in Motorsport in particular the

pressures never sort of get to you half

as much because you've already got so

much to be dealing with um it's quite

hard to stop and think about you know

everybody watching you or or what

everybody's thinking right now um

whereas in golf everything is there to

be scrutinized um you know I feel sorry

for the pros now that you know they

can't even get away with with what

they've said to themselves without

getting in trouble and punished for it

and I really don't like that um I think

you know they should be allowed to do

whatever they want without a microphone

in their face um you know go through

their own process exactly they're

already being scrutinized enough with

slow motion and all this sort of stuff

and now you're basically putting a

microphone in their face for every

comment they say around the whole golf

course and I don't think that's really

fair um you know people need to go

through their own things in their own

way and yeah so that's a extremely hard

thing to do because like I said there's

there's no way way to get out of it in

in your head with golf or is with

Motorsport and motorbikes cars and

things like that you've got adrenaline

so you're having to get through that um

so we're talking about I guess like that

that relationship to golf what so when

like you've got the kind of

personality where you can just there's a

track man so like a golf launch monitor

that's spitting out numbers out you and

then it's like there's your screen and

you can just sit in there all day I

think that that's probably like a that's

a fairly unique trait in a person like

and I I can do that same [ __ ] like I can

you give me a thing give me some info

give me some data and I'll just sit

there you're just sort of crunching the

numbers in your head and you're making

these little tweaks and then you you're

actually interested enough in the

numbers so like you want to know what

those numbers mean so that's like a

fairly unique brain I think that lent

itself obviously to the Moto GP stuff

but like when did you even know noticed

that you had that kind of strange brain

going on um never really have noticed to

be honest I just such as me noticing it

in you yeah well I noticed it to a

certain degree but um I mean I never

really recognized that I was any

different to anyone else you know yeah

um there's some things that I feel I pay

a lot more attention to than other

people yeah um I haven't necessarily

been touted as that you know everybody

thinks that I was the guy that just

literally Twisted the throttle a bit

harder and and went a bit faster and

it's couldn't have been further from the

truth um I could never just twist it

more you know sort of I I could never be

that guy to just push harder and and um

you know especially that's those last

lap battles I didn't just want to take

all the risk and and and go that little

bit harder for me I was always a lot more

calculated um you know still made

mistakes still you know with pushing and

all those sort of things but I I always

sort of was a lot more thoughtful in my

decision- making um whether I was going

to try and win the race by um you know

taking risks or whether I was just going

to you know sit back watch what I could

do um and then sort of pick my moments

and that's why I never sort of ended up

in last lap battles is because I picked

my moments better I thought about it

more um and you know I felt like that

helped me win you know a lot more races

than my my competitors by being a bit

more thoughtful and you know really

staying out of trouble rather than

trying to put myself in it so you never

really noticed that about yourself like

the way that you think and the way that

you like you break everything down and

and to me it's super obvious cuz I feel

like I have a similar kind of feeling

and like I remember the when Maddie

would hang out with you he used to say

like man you two are like very similar

like the way you literally break down

every single thing that is around you

and I I don't I always I always kind of

it's funny like you think about

something in like computer programming

terms of of like is this a feature or a

bug is it a you know is it a feature of

the program that makes it better is it a

bug and like the older I get I I look at

it in that sense now of like is this

becoming like a feature or is this a a

bug to this uh program that I'm kind of

trying to run but it was just always I

don't know it's always been kind of at

like the Forefront of my mind that like

okay this is what you do and I have to

like almost be careful at times like cuz

I can just go like just go so deep on it

but to me there's like enjoyment there

and I I see with you like there there is

enjoyment in taking it so much deeper

than what most PE like the average

person would go I think it took me a

long time to actually understand that I

did uh think a little deeper than than

others in certain uh areas and one more

recently was only probably last year or

the year before um I realized that you

know so many people are so different

I've been realizing more and more and

more throughout my life and career the

more people I meet how individual

everybody is they all go about it a

different way you know it's old saying

you know there's more than one way to

skin a cat there's more than one way to

get the job done um so I guess that's

the beauty of sports it's the beauty of

life that people go about things very

differently um now for instance there

was a a golf tournament I went to played

a proam and the pro that I played with

uh is a young guy uh had already won a

tournament or or two um you know the

month leading up to this I think um

tournament but during the pram he was

really struggling couldn't figure out

what was going on uh so I asked him a

couple of questions just to because I

was in the cart with him and everything

asked him a couple of questions just to

sort of try and Trigger maybe to go back

through uh his drills that he works with

with his um with his coach or whatever

things like that and I asked him a

couple of technical questions and he

just looked at me kind of strange and

went you know like no I don't think

about that he just tells me to you know

do this sort of drill and I go and do it

so he has absolutely no technical side

he liter is is a um you know they they

put him in a couple of drills and he

goes and does it and hits it and it's

fine he doesn't want to know about a

feeling yep he doesn't he doesn't want

to know about his hands about delivery

doesn't want to know about any part of

the technical side of it he just wants

to be told what to do basically and you

know that works for him he's been able

to win tournaments be very successful

and and clearly has a career ahead and

we've seen that a little bit in golfers

is um basically keeping it simple the

kiss Theory um and as much as people you

know talk down towards other people who

have kept it a little bit more simple

it's also very very effective not

getting wounded up and caught up in it

because there's also the people that go

the other way that start talking and

thinking and maybe they don't understand

as much as they think they do yeah um

and they just get wound up in the whole

process and then all of a sudden they're

overthinking it and then they're just

making themselves go backwards so

they're over complicating the whole soap

process so it's it's quite difficult to

make sure that the amount of thought you

put into it is the right amount and

about the right things because if you're

you know if you get on tangent and all

of a sudden it's all about that is

generally not the right thing um because

you know just sort of then they start

listening at other people they start

thinking about other things and then

they're they're taking on other um

opinions all the rest of it and it

becomes very confusing so I think it's a

little better when um you know you you

keep it simple and that's what I Tred to

do it myself as well um it wasn't a

super simple way that I did it but for

me I could have gone a lot deeper than I

did yeah uh with all of the technical

side but for me it was always just in in

my writing and what I could handle um

the things that I could change I made

sure I did yeah cuz there's uh there's a

cool documentary on YouTube uh and one

of your engineers I'm pretty sure he was

with you at jaat and then he went to

Honda um and then he he says he Italian

guy I'm pretty sure and he said I

learned more than Casey than Casey

learned from me and that's an engineer

you know like that's a pretty cool uh

statement for somebody like him to make

that's obviously like an expert in his

field and then he's saying that this

writer actually taught me a lot so I

mean there obviously was so much that uh

that you were like I enjoyed kind of

diving into in in a sense yeah there was

a there was a lot and like I said I I

had to sort of take myself out of it a

little bit because I didn't want to just

keep stressing over certain things that

I really didn't need to um but I I would

always sit in the in the in the garage

watch what the engineers were doing I

watch what mechanics were doing pick up

on certain things ask them to make

changes especially um well to be honest

with both jat and Honda but in jat we

could sort of make make uh adjust during the

the

weekend um we've got you know

basically Grinders hammers everything

like that that basically went on the

jcat to to you know if we needed

something to fit literally it was what

size ham you'd bring out um they'd be

grinding on Sunday night just so we

could get the swing arm a little bit

further forward we're having to grind it

out to um to get the swing arm a little

bit further forward when we made a

change in

2010 uh whereas with Honda it was like

you know the parts came fit it done it

was just that was it

uh so we had a little bit more

restriction I suppose with Honda because

they took a little bit more time and

they they had more diligence to to make

sure it was right before they put it uh

on the bike for you to ride and race

with um but when it arrived it was right

and it was it was fantastic because I

really got to work with those Engineers

with Christian uh and as much as he you

know compliments me and says that um you

know I'm sure it was him learning uh

what happens from a writer's perspective

but was still you know we we worked a

lot together to make some pretty big

changes uh with UK and Honda that that

really you know affected everyone along

the line and and in my opinion made

things better yeah it's it's just so

cool to be a writer that can have that

kind of impact because I think it's just

it's so rare and I know that when I was

in the states working around Factory

teams that the the guys like the team

managers would say dude there's three or

four guys that actually know what the

[ __ ] going on on a B you know like

Ivan Tesco was apparently amazing Travis

Preston was really good Nathan Ramsey

was really good like they kind of names

that you actually wouldn't expect um but

he said you know all of these guys would

say for the most part they just don't

know what what's actually going on so to

be a guy that is at the top level and CU

I think that's one of the things that

was so crazy about your career like

maybe like I I kind of never thought you

were just a throttle send it guy and

maybe that's from I guess like seeing

the way that you do things like I know

that's not the case but I think that

that's probably what made you so special

as a talent was that it was so

calculated like you knew everything that

was going on and the the the the feel uh

that you could then relate back into

actual like tangible information but you

also weren't scared and I think that

that doesn't come around very often like

you'll get the guy that will either

fully send it to the moon and then

that's the you know like like Jack I

[ __ ] did the light with Jack that's

just purely just [ __ ] sending it to

the moon you know like you get that dude

but then you know and it's not uh there

wouldn't be like Jack doesn't know

anything about the motorcycle but

there's the engineers probably aren't

saying that they're learning stuff from

him in the same sort of sense you know

so I think that's probably what made you

such a special talent was the the depth

that you would like look into uh what

you were doing and then you combine that

with the the send it sort of style you

know yeah well there's a lot of things

that I did out in track and and people

always saw the bike moving around a lot

so they just assume I was twisting the

throttle and and letting that thing go

well the only way that a bike is going

to move around that much is grip you

know it's traction that's that's uh that

I'm trying to create so what I was doing

and why my bike say more than others is

because it was sort of like a um every

everybody has it inside them but there's

basically like a gyro inside you yeah

and it feels grip and and that's how

you're able to to drive within that

range and it's like people's Gyros are

better people listen to their gyos

better um but they understand how much

you how late you can break without

locking um you know how much throttle

you can get without losing that grip and

it's your gyro adapting to each

situation each grip level change

throughout the race when the grip levels

change um really feeling your gyro and

then adapting to that it's not just

about how you can put the power down

you've got to listen to that inner gyro

which is um you know your G forces

knowing when it's going to break away

and being ahead of that yeah um and so

there was a lot of things that I did in

my racing that people just thought it

was me pushing harder and twisting the

throttle more but it was actually quite

the opposite it was me getting it to a

point where I found grip and it was on

that slip grip right on that edge and

that's why the bike moves because I

don't want to be inside it and I don't

want to be over the top of it so the

times that I did slide it it's smooth

you don't see it moving around um the

time that I was inside it I'm clearly

not going fast enough or I was able to

get everything hooked up and and done

right but being right on that edge is

for me where the fastest point is and

that was that slip grip point where it

slipped a little bit gripped a little

bit and that would create you know that

movement but that's me going forward as

fast as I can man that's crazy you said

the gyro thing so I've been

thinking uh since I went and did some

Road stuff recently um I guess I've just

ridden uh big thanks to jatti actually

like I've just ridden so many bikes this

year and like normally you got a couple

motocross bikes they sort of feel the

same but like this year I've rode like

the multi strata I've rode the hyper

motard I've rode the monster and then

I've rode the like the race bikes and

then all the motocross bikes and I've

I've been thinking so much I've been

reading aot lot of like science books as

well this year and I'm just thinking of

it in terms of physics as to what's

really going on here and why some guys

are faster like cuz everything feels the

same right like me uh when I was talking

to Ricardo I said the I guess

the the test you'd use would be you've

got a straight 90° right hand turn who's

going to hit the brakes first and like

you might have that fight or flight cuz

essentially that's like a fight or

flight reaction right

so it's you might have the F flight way

down they might even similar but then

when it comes to the gyro cuz uh the

fact that there's some feeling of like

that balance in the gyro between the two

bikes because essentially how I see it

is like the bike has a center of gravity

and then I have a center of gravity and

my influence on that like both of those

centers of gravity can impact each other

and if you ever held like a um if

anyone's everever picked up like a

moving hard drive uh that's spinning at

like 7,000 RPMs and you can actually

like feel P tire is the best one spin

the front wheel and hold it by the

spindle and then feel it yeah so that

that has its own effect but then there's

like because we have a center of gravity

and we're on uh another like a guess an

external object that also has a center

of gravity the way that I started

thinking about it and it's only been

super recent is like essentially and I'd

love to hear you this is just a big

setup for you to tell me what the [ __ ]

actually going on but is basically it's

like you want to line these two Gyros up

to be in sync with each other or you're

using one to pull the other one around

so there is to me I'm like the why

writing looks effortless for some people

and not on others is because in one

instance you would have these two gy

that are working together these two

Center uh of gravity that are they're

probably quite low together I think

that's why you see a lot of riders like

really good Riders are like low um and

kind of down on the bike um but you've

just got like this feeling of trying to

stabilize both of these Center of

gravities to work together so like I've

never heard anyone say jaro in like that

context so take it away and tell me what

I'm missing well I think in certain

instances um you got you know Motocross

and things like the perfect example is

on the whoops um of you basically your

gyro vers the bikes JY so it's gone back

and forward quickly you've got to get

your timing right Etc but at the same

time you think sitting back pulling back

on the bike is going to allow you to go

through whoops better but in fact it's

going to stack up your rear shock and

then send you over the front and then

it's it's not going to go well so the

best guys through the whoops you've seen

you know Chad Reed um let's go with him

as a as a perfect style he was very

neutral centered on the bike allowed the

bike basically to gyro by itself and he

just stayed in the middle so with the

least amount of inputs possible except

for um you know getting the throttle

right I'm sure he wasn't doing a whole

lot with his with his arms um so that's

sort of like more of a neutral gyro

where you're you know allowing the bike

just to work in gyro and you're sort of

in unison with it but then you've got

road racing where your Gyro's got to be

on the inside mhm so you've got to be as

far to the inside as possible the main

reason I would I would go to the inside

of the bike is basically so I could push

the bike

up the reduce the lean angle I want to

be at lean angle for a minimum time

possible Yeah so basically I want to be

in and then I want to pick the bike up

so I would go my body would go to the

inside so that the bike would go upwards

yeah whereas you see a lot of Riders In

Style these days they seem to be just

trying to get their bodies further and

further to the inside

and that's okay to a certain degree but

I don't think that's I think it's a bit

more of a trend than a than an actual

it's everybody thinking you this whole

late everybody you need to later and

later and later for that there's a

corner and a straight after it yeah so

you make one tiny mistake under brakes

which the later you break the smaller

your margins for error are you gain that

little bit of time under brakes you run

a tiny bit wide boom that exit's gone

and then that time from the exit to the

rest of the Strait's gone um It's that

kind of thing as well and and same thing

with the gyro for

racing um I'd want to be with my body

even under brakes just a smidge into the

inside so I can keep that bike upright

for longer my Gyros on the inside and

then basically that helps the bike to

sort of you know pivot in it's a little

bit like the the legs that you see keep

coming out at the moment that's

basically it's just an extra uh bit of

weight on the inside of the bike uh

helps you sort of it's almost the way

you're twisting on the bike with your

legs with your groin sort of muscles

inside your thighs um twisting and sort

of gripping the bike a little bit having

that foot there there's a bit more

weight to the inside of it uh so it's

essentially like having a side car

without it being an actual wheel that

you're running on um there's just a bit

more weight to the inside there so then

when you tip in it wants to tip in a

little bit more

naturally so the gyro the way I sort of

use it and put it isn't so much that I

want it to work with the bike it's my

feeling it's my

senses um like I said there's there's a

certain amount of gForce that will

happen before the wheel wants to slip

say on the way out of a corner um and

it's so it's getting inside that point

or right on that line where you can feel

that you know you go through a car or

when you drive a go-kart at a rental

cart track you can go through these

corners and you can feel your body going

to the outside right you can feel it

pushing into the rib cage yeah uh that's

what Carters use that's what drivers use

they don't just use their arms to steer

and and feel that they'll use using

their without even realizing it they'll

be using their their gyro inside to feel

that grip point because if they go over

it then they've lost the the rear or the

front whatever it is whatever stage of the

the

corner uh the same thing allows them to

feel where the the grip point is on the

braking so just going to that limit and

it's a people are able to push that

limit more and understand that uh gForce

a little bit more inside them that

allows them to push you know closer to

the Limit than other people and so

when did you first realize or like when

did you first start to form these cuz

this is like philosophy

of writing like I don't know what you'd

call it but this is this is like a um

it's like heris like this is like your

learned experience that you then of like

putting into information like obviously

you want two World Championships one of

the best riters of all time so it's like

the the heuristics pretty solid in this

in this case you know so like when did

this become like a philosophy and a

train of thought or was it someone like

past this knowledge onto you or is this

all just feel that you've developed and

internalized and then that you have like

conversations with yourself about these

processes like how did this all kind of

look as you were coming up um this is

all just trial and error and I suppose

Gathering data over years and years and

and the older I get the more able I am

to explain how and why I did things so

even my last couple of years of grand PR

was when I was able to really explain

why I do things so I used to be able to

know why I did them but it was very hard

to explain why I did them um and so for

me it was just a whole lot of gathering

data you know I remember you know when I

was especially doing tests in tests I

would always try something a little

different so um you know the bike felt

really good in one area so a lot of a

lot of writers they're just looking for

this perfect solution that doesn't exist

they're like it doesn't suit my style it

doesn't uh feel right it doesn't you

know I I need this I need that and race

day comes and they're already screwed

because they know they don't have what

they want and so for me it never

affected me as badly I believe as others

is because I was able to uh adapt myself

to the situation to the conditions to

the bike um whatever we ended up with

going into race day you know sometimes

it wasn't perfect so we just had to to

figure it out and so if we had um a bike

being able to turn say for jatti we were

always struggling with turn so if we

finally got that bike to turn but then

we lost the rear grip which was always

famous for okay so how do we minimize

this you know we try and find a balance

in setting if you can't then basically I

would adapt it myself so because it

turns more I would try and be a little

bit more patient pick the bike up more

to the center of the tire use it that

sort of way so there was always always a

way around it um really forcing myself

further from the inside of the bike

really putting in effort to counteract

the problem Tak in the the the positives

and then minimize the negatives and that

was something through my entire race

career I never tried to build on

positives which I think a lot of people

are always doing they're always they're

like they're in a role they've got a

great feeling you know they're trying to

keep in this Rhythm blah blah blah for

me I never needed that for me I never

actually tried to build on any of my

positive it was always trying to

minimize my negatives so I wasn't good

in a certain part of the track I would

go and fix that rather than try and make

my good bits better I'd make my bad bits

better uh and it's the same thing my my

whole career all my writing if there was

a negative in my writing I would go and

fix it and I would literally just go if

I was on a dirt bike I'd go and fix it

if I struggle with one corner I would

just go and hit that thing and try as

many different things as I could until I

figured it out yeah um rather than Yar

like oh I'm good at this bit I'm going

to keep just doing it that way so it was

sort of I was never the kind of person

that you know the grass is green on the

other side I would always be like well

this is what I've got this is what I've

got to manage um there was always

weaknesses in in all my years of racing

uh but the biggest thing is is I learned

from others uh and and worked on my

weaknesses I think a bit more than

others do what do you think about

working on your strengths as weaknesses

or like find finding flaws in your

strengths even cuz I think that's like

there's something I was thinking about

the other day where like the the

feedback that I get for like certain

areas of my life I'll get like positive

feedback from people about it from the

outside in they be like oh man that's

crazy you did this and oh this is good

and I I'm like what the [ __ ] you talking

about like this is trash like I I just

the the things that I seem to do the

best at in my life are the things that I

will look at with the most critical eyes

like the thing it seems like the the the

lanes of my life that are the best are

the ones that I look the most negatively

on and like I kind of work the hardest

on those areas so I don't know if that

sort of I I can see where you're coming

from and if I take my own judgment of

where you're coming from with that uh

let's say somebody's very very good on

the breaks um there's always a negative

to that yeah so you're very good under

braks it generally means you've missed

your midt entry you've got to set your

bike up for braks um you've got to do

everything it's got to revolve around

your braking if that's your strength so

if that's a strength it's also weakness

so if that's where you're coming from

then it's sort of along those lines I

guess I like more so like you maybe they

are strengths because I look at them as

weaknesses constantly like I never seem

to look at the things happy with the end

result like the things that people

perceive to be strengths are the things

that I'm actually looking at with like

the most negative eyes in a sense and

it's like I keep wanting to work whereas

it's it could be seen as unrealistic in

a way but maybe that that's why those

things are good if that makes sense it's

either it's either in that way or it's a

point where you need to accept that that

can't get much better and you just need

to look at your other areas um I think

it's always good like for me I was never

happy with myself or my results or so

people uh I got a lot of criticism for

that for always looking like the

miserable git and I'm like well I'm not

here to impress them I'm here to impress

me yeah um and I still think I could do

better yeah so as much as I learned to

accept my faults because it's you know

bit like the golf game as well you've

just got to accept that you're not going

to be perfect um it was also hard for me

to accept so I had to stop looking to

try and get everything so damn right um

and just go right no no we did about as

good as we could but I was always

looking for more so therefore I was

never satisfied and I think that was you

know a little bit in line with with what

you're saying is that you just kept

looking for um more even though you were

very very good at that area um you know

my my old team were always giving me

[ __ ] about um you know I'd be a second

lap faster than than everybody in I'm

qualifying and things like that and I'd

come back in complaining about the bike

as much as if I was in 20th and and

they're like this is just ridiculous you

know like stop putting pressure on us

I'm like yeah but this is putting

pressure on me I want to ride at 50% win

races I don't want to I don't want to be

pushing 80 90 100% to try and win these

races like I want to be as comfortable

as I can to win so I was always striving

to be better um to to do it as easy as

possible yeah that that makes a lot of

sense cuz I think that uh probably I

guess everyone could relate I think this

is why motorcycles are cool too because

like people can relate that feeling is

the same like you are dealing with like

a fight or flight response the whole way

around the track like when it swaps a

little are you going to gas it are you

going to back off are you going to push

that little bit deeper into brakes are

you comfortable to get on the gas

earlier and I think that in terms of

like that feeling like the internal

anxiety that you get in that fight or

flight response everyone feels the same

thing and I mean I know that the times

that I've had on a bike where I just

feel amazing it's like it's a it's

almost like you're it's you're in a game

of predicting like it's it's a going

fast is like a prediction game it's not

really like a a thinking game like it's

not at the moment right now this is what

I got to do it's like you you've got to

be ahead of the bike ahead of every

corner and then if you've got a feeling

like I've just had a couple days of

riding that I felt good and I felt like

the bike was good and I felt comfortable

to open the throttle I felt comfortable

to get on the gas the yeah because you

are kind of ahead of it so that makes so

much sense for you to say like I wanted

to win at 50% which see that might seem

crazy to people but that kind of makes

sense hearing that in way yeah it's um

it's it's a hard thing to strive for but

um like so many people are always just

happy just to win whereas for me if I

could win by as far as I could do it you

know but generally I never did mot GP I

was always too scared of throwing it

down the road and and making a mistake

while while leading by a mile but uh so

always had that that massive um you know

back off that I didn't like as well

because as soon as you start backing off

you make mistakes tie temps

change uh you're not going as deep into

the stroke so the bike's not in the same

position blah blah blah there's all

sorts of things um and that's why people

make mistakes towards the end of races

even when they're out front because it's

just things aren't in the right

positions where they need to be um but

yeah it's something that you know I was

I was always driving for and you know

you were talking about fight or flight and

and

people might find this strange to know

but basically I was I was scared almost

every single Corner every time I rode on

track especially when I was I was

pushing so my later years in my early

years it was I I need to be as fast as

these guys I need to keep up I need to

you know the 125 250 classes that was

not my photo I needed power I needed to

be able to slide move the bike uh I came

from dirt track my whole life and then

all of a sudden I need these things to

be in line and and trust it and I just

you know that took me a long time time

to learn to trust it especially the

front um so when I got to a bigger bike

it was easier for me but basically uh

especially when I was pushing especially

qualifying laps you're going into every

corner and I was just waiting for the

thing to drop not necessarily it was

always going to happen you know I didn't

crash much in the in the later years but

that was the way I rode and I adapted my

style and I adapted everything to

basically minimize risk completely now

it didn't because you still crashes you

had to push harder want to win these

championships you have to go faster than

the guy next to you so you had to you

had to push and mistakes happen but

generally all of my corners and

everything that my whole writing um

everything happened in in M GP was about

me minimizing every bit of risk I could

putting my body in positions like I said

getting further off the inside of the

bike even under brakes just to get it

upright a little bit more so I couldn't

lose that front end as easily then I

could bring it into a corner and pick

the bike up and fire it out so the the

least amount of time I was the side of

the tire which for me I always struggle

with the front coming from dirt track

where you almost never needed to rely on

the front end everything was sliding and

and you always had that little front end

[ __ ] which it was hard to lose then

whereas in motor GP and road racing you

needed to trust the front end and I

never had the same feel as the European

guys it was just what it was um so for

me being on the side of the tire for the

smallest amount of time through a corner

uh that was better for me which was

minimizing risk basically it's crazy to hear

hear

when someone's like one of the best ever

and just completely change the game to

say like I was scared every single turn

like it's just even just to zoom out

isn't it just crazy to think of what

like you must have just fought your way

through your career like even when you

you zoom out to like the early

retirement it's like that probably

didn't feel early man like that probably

felt like a [ __ ] late retirement like

I want to be done a while go like this

[ __ ] is a lot like to go through you

know like you really put yourself

through a [ __ ] crazy amount of stress

and pressure and like just fear and you

know then you deal with like the media

and you deal with like the fame and then

the money and like it's a [ __ ] crazy

way to live a life and then you know

then you've got to get on that bike

every single weekend like it's just an

insane way to to live a life and you

know we talked about before just in the

car on the way here like you you get

what you want you know it's like you

just obviously you just wanted to get it

done and like do what you know get it

done do what you said you were going to

do and then [ __ ] dip because it's

just like this is a lot it was um you

know it's I struggled to understand why

it was a little harder for me than other

people a lot of other people they don't

mind the fame they didn't mind um all

the rest of it that came with the race

ing the pressures all those sorts of

things uh and I've only been very

recently diagnosed with uh with anxiety

as well which I didn't actually know was

a thing quite honestly I thought it was

just something people made up to say um

you know there was another another

another way for being stressed out and

I'm like yeah everyone gets stressed but

uh I didn't realize why even my back

locks up um just from anxiety I feel my

neck and my M yeah between the shoulder

blades I've got two discs that

realistically need replacing and so when

that locks up and I can feel it come on

now now I I'm you're aware aware of it I

can feel it come on when I'm in

situations and and it doesn't feel

comfortable um so it would have been

easier in my career if I knew about it

and sort of maybe could have managed the

situation a little bit better but again

uh I got a bad rap for sometimes being a

little bit closed off um from people and

media and all that sort of thing because

I just was never ever comfortable doing

it um crowds I was never comfortable

with uh all that side of it and then

race day literally for years until

probably my last two years of of racing MotoG

MotoG

GP uh the better weekend I had the more

I wanted to die yeah I would literally

be curled up on the motor home floor or

whatever um sick as a dog just stomach

in in knots just you know I did not want

to race it was just I could not feel any

worse any uh any more apprehensive of

everything it was just you know I felt

the pressure from um the team from

everyone that had ever helped me all the

rest of it you know you've you've got a

team of up to 70 people there with

hospitalities and all that sort of stuff

sometimes over 100 to be honest I

couldn't tell you the exact numbers and

especially when you were the number one

Rider and everyone's expecting you to

win basically every weekend um you know

that that built on me and I only

realized that after I finished my career

why that used to I used to struggle so

much with it and then I I sort of got my

own little Mantra that that helped me my

last couple of years which was you can

only do what you can do and you cannot

do more than that yeah which for me was

I'm going to go out there and give it my

best and I can't give it more than my

best as long as I know I've prepared

well I've done everything uh as as well

off the track as I can on the track uh

something that you alluded to before is

you get out of life what you want yeah

um and so many people

like to say that they want things and

they they're desperate for it but it's

how you go about it and how you um like

I said everybody that lines up on the

grid it's exactly what you were saying

before basically was that everyone that

lines up in these Races they want it

probably just as badly as you do but

there's a big difference how they go

about getting it yeah and people who

make it happen versus people who want it

to happen yeah and you know this is

something that was very different with

me it was it was so hard for me to go

racing um that I made sure I did

everything and ticked every box that I

could um some days some weeks I had

those lazy weeks where I just you know

couldn't drag my ass off the couch and

it maybe showed at the end of a couple

of races and that would really kick my

ass into gear and go I can't I can't

slacken off here especially in my early

years and then uh you know that just

made me stronger mentally as the ear

gone on yeah it's uh

like to know

like to be a fly on the wall in your

mind and to hear some of

the to hear some of the conversations

that you would have had with yourself

when you were like in the fetal position

in the motor home like I can imagine

just you basically trying to talk

yourself out of lining up every single

time that you were on the grid and I I I

think a lot about that because I mean I

have that internal resistance so much I

mean like I didn't want to release the

Daniel Ricardo podcast for a week y I

just like didn't I was like this [ __ ]

sucks like I suck I'm not good at this

like I shouldn't be doing this this

isn't this isn't something I want like I

was a [ __ ] mess after it you know

mat's like what's wrong D you're good

I'm like no this is you can't change how

how it's coming in though can you but

it's just this internal conversation and

and I know like I've got I guess

techniques that I try and work through

and to uh to alleviate that cuz

essentially like what I've figured out

is like it's a conversation that you're

having with yourself in your head but

it's like if you say like I see that cup

well I see that cup who the [ __ ] am I

talking to who is the person that I'm

telling that I see like I'm the one

that's seeing and tell so the left side

of the brain yeah we get into these

crazy conversations with ourself and I

mean I I would uh when I first started

competing in did to that's probably like

the scariest thing I've ever done just

because it's like it's just a it's a

combat thing and I uh I'd have just that

same deal like I couldn't sleep the

night before all day I'm trying to talk

myself out of going I don't think I

should do this then it's just like it's

just this constant conversation um that

you're having with yourself you're

almost trying to talk yourself out of it

then you end up doing it anyway and the

the only thing that helped me with that

was uh I guess when you said like uh you

can only do what you can do my version

of that

was if you're going to leave leave yeah

but if you're not going to leave don't

torture yourself for the 5 hours that

you're here before you slap hands and

you do the thing like if you're going to

do the thing just do the thing if you're

not if you're not then leave and then I

was like well I didn't give myself the

leave option it was

like do it and be happy with with what

you've done yeah so just to to know what

you would have been going through for

all of those years and to just be

performing it the crazy high level like

it honestly like you probably just you

stressed your system into getting sick

the way that you did like it would have

I can see I could see a way in which

like you just physically made yourself

sick because of the what it took for you

to compete at the highest level and some

people it does phas him y you know and

some people can I'm sure Valentino was

probably the kind of guy that would be

like hey heyy and like you know he's

just there it's fun for him I'm jealous

of people like Mark and Valentino just

don't seem to give a crap yeah and I

mean jet you know you hang around jet

like Jet's kind of the same sort of vibe

you know but there is like for as much

as that is a positive then at times it's

a negative and it's like there's there's

like you said there's so many ways to

skin cat like you obviously had

something that was so special in your

own way but that just wasn't sustainable

with like what you had to kind of like

put yourself through if that makes sense

for me and and I think a big part of the

reason why you know my body's just not

handling it now and I'm I've I've got

this CFS and we don't know exactly what

CA is it yet so I can't sit here and say

this is what it happened but I'm sure

it's a big part of my my body breaking

down basically is I was very good at

switching everything off so no matter

how bad or how nervous or how pent up or

anything I was I was very good at at

telling myself to just suck it up and

get on with it um and so and when did

that start like at what point in the

weekend is that like a Friday practice

thing is that before you get there is

that the morning of like no that was

just um it it's a bit like anything you

know you were talking about um you're

surprised that I had fear going through corners

corners

um my will to win was greater than the

fear so then I had to if if I let fear

control me and and everything then I

never would have gone as fast as what I

did so I would figure out how to be fast

without you know the same risk and then

there of course takes a little bit of

fear out of it um but it's also for

example going through turn three at

Philip isum uh or turn three at Valencia

the way I used to go through them it's

it's a lot to overcome like the way

you've got to crack the throttle on at those

those

speeds um Philip Island's fifth gear

right we're going through there it's 265

going into the corner uh KS an hour down

through the dip and because you're

always getting a big push of wind from

the inside going out to the ocean there

uh a lot of the time when you're pushing

in through there the front end wants to

go and I was saying before I don't like

the front end I don't like the feeling

of it compared to other people I never

had confidence so as soon as you [ __ ]

that front in you can't crash with the

front M if you think about it as soon as

you've got a little [ __ ] in your front

end basically that doesn't sound dirt

track style you you can't lose the front

so basically I would slide before I even

got to the corner and this is where

people don't realize number one the

difficulty uh the overcoming the fear

and then why it

works um is that when you go into the

corner and you have to get that rear to

break before you get to the corner CU

otherwise as soon as you get into the

corner your front end's dictating

everything and you don't start to slide

until you come out of the corner and

then that's just slide you know that's

not hard uh these bikes have a lot of

power it's really not hard to slide

these things um but sliding them before

you get to the corner so I've got to go

in back off just to get the front to

load a little bit then I would crack the

throttle on as soon as I could to get

that rear to break and basically just

get that little bit of of clock on the

front corn on the front tire and then

basically I couldn't lose it so then I

could just control it try and almost

stand it up and then straight line it

out of that corner and then I could

straight line break going into Honda

uh which is which is very hard normally

you drift out then you've got a break on

the left side bring it back so you're

breaking on the edge then bringing it

back breaking on the edge of the tire so

it's a heavy braking Zone that you've

got two edges to to break on for me I

would slide through that corner stay

further left and then I could just pick

it up and break straight and then take

all the risk out of out of Honda yeah um

so there's a lot of reasons why I did

thing but to overcome the the power and

it was the same thing I used to do in um

uh Valencia so turn three in Valencia

it's hard same thing you can go through

there and slide but you've already

missed the whole point of it yeah so I

had to slide before I got the corner and

throwing it in there was was really hard

and risky you know I never did crash

there doing it but if things went wrong

it's you're going into the grand stand

sort of thing but basically I'd go up uh

come out first second third short shift

and then throw it and then by throwing

it I'm sliding all the way in through

the corner um and can stay further left

because same thing I never liked the

feeling of the front end yeah and you'd

always have to break on the edge of the

tire bring it back and then go into the

right hander on the edge of the tire

cold side of the tire I didn't like it

so what I would do is slide stay further

left break in a straighter line then I

could basically get the tire warm and

then ease my way into the right hander

without risk so I didn't like that

right-hander so I just went well the

left the left side of the tire is warm

because we've been spinning it through

turn 13 14 then turn one turn two all

left-handers so the left side's warm I

can trust this uh as long as you trust

your slide but then the right side was

always cold and it's one of the most

dangerous Corners probably in the world

for crashing and so um you know I just

took the risk out of those Corners uh by

doing that but everyone just saw me as I

was sliding it through the corner you

know coming out but it's there's a lot

more to it that is so insane that makes

perfect sense like when you frame it in

the flat track sense as well because

really like the only way that you can

lose the front end on a flat tracker is

as you're turning away and then you

initially Chuck it and right before you

bring it back so that little that little

dip but I mean that feels pretty safe

like we were actually only just flat

tracking the other day and like I did a

th000 Laps on the 125 just that exact

feel and that's the that is the point of

the corner where you have the most

confidence to tuck the front that little

bit and then it brings you into the

slide and then you power around but to

the I guess

from the outside looking in you just see

this little dude going W fif gear wide

open around and turn it Philip Island

and you think like he's [ __ ] crazy

but in the in your head that's your way

of making that corner as safe as possible

possible

yep and nobody really knew why that's

[ __ ] mindblowing but it that makes so

much so much sense and so you're working

your way around each of the

tracks trying to figure out the safest

way and but so I guess the the thing is

there is that you've got to kind of do

cuz I can imagine that that would be

like that's a lot of throttle to step

out a Moto GP bike because you're

already going

we5 so like that's a massive commitment

to go like okay this is the safest way

I'm going to tip her in a little bit I'm

going to give her like a bit of bit of

the old FES and then straight on the gas

like that's a lot of commitment

especially um for me it was in

qualifying with new tires um it's even

harder to step out so when the tires are

older they step out a lot easier but

when you got new tires and the things

all gripped up first lap out and you've

got to try and you know push that really

hard through there that was the hardest

but I think in 2011 cuz

2012 uh it was raining a little bit it

just conditions weren't great but we

went in there at 265 and then the slow

point of that corner was 258 258 so I

only lost um 7ks an hour between backing

off for that half a second it was only

literally half a second back off before

I cracked it again uh to get it through

there so I only lost 7ks an hour through

turn three pH the P that was pretty good

that is insane do you remember the first

time you figured that out was there like

because I I always wonder that like you

imagine let's like we'll just go motto

Baba when was the F was there a first

time where he SC and was like looked

back and was like I've just pulled a

second on these guys what did I just do

like was there was that the moment was

it like that where like say turn three

when you just and you're like oh okay

that's how I got to do it or is it like

this theory that you've got in your head

and then it's like this slow application

over over time no it was just that as

we're talking about before it was

building a knowledge um it was just

Gathering you know data and B basically

trial and error um luckily not too error

too much error in that my my department

but um basically it was just me trying

things I said I used to try a lot of

things with body position etc etc I'm

not just a a one-dimensional rider um I

was always trying different things and

and watching other people um that's why

I always loved having a a fast teammate

cuz I could always learn from them um

but for me yeah it was it was trial and

error it wasn't me thinking down sitting

down and thinking this it was like well

this makes me feel a lot more

comfortable through here now I need to

make sure that I'm not over spinning the

tire cuz everybody thinks you go through

there you're spinning the tie you just

chewing it up and ruining it and in

Philip p I always had to be cautious of

it because there was a few Corners that

I did use to spin um so then I had to

take it easier on other other Corners to

drop the tire temperatures back down

just to make sure that we didn't you

know overheat them and and Destroy them

during the race um but those kind of

things I never like the feeling of the

front end being pushed by the wind so as

as mot GP where I had power I'm like w I

need to get this thing um cocked as soon

as P early as possible coming out of the

corner and then basically it went well

there's a big tie bundle on the inside

of that corner yeah and it blocks the

wind so you get a bit of a cross wind

going into it then it there's a patch

where it blocks the wind and then if

it's really blowing it it comes out the

other side and on the on the far side of

it and then all of a sudden hits you and

that's when it wants to blow your um

front end out so I had to make sure that

I had it gone before I came out and hit

that wind um so basically I just got

earlier and earlier and earlier doing it

uh and more confident the earlier I did

it um people think you're spinning the

whole way through but I can spin it

early and then actually reduce the spin

the whole way out of the corner yeah

whereas everybody else is going through

the corner and then spinning all the way

out whereas I'm doing the opposite I'm

actually spinning and then reducing the

spin on the way out and so who were you

like working on this kind of stuff with

who were you talking into about it or

was this just all internal this just all

me that's so I didn't I didn't ever have

anyone to work with so my engineer was

good I used to talk to him about things

and explain to him what I was doing but

we never discussed how I had to ride he

never ever told me how I had to ride I

never had anyone giving me any advice on

how to ride this was all just me

watching other people figuring out what

I needed to do how to go faster than

everybody and um you know sometimes it

was just

literally taking the brain out you had

to if if you want to win races you had

to push harder than other people and

especially that was the case in the rain

it was uh there's a lot of skill in the

rain but at the same time when the fears

catch you in the rain they can be very

hard to shake sometimes yeah and

whenever they caught me where I just

started to be real teety and and feel

like I was going to crash all the time

literally i' go out and next session and

just go right I'm either going to fix

this or crash yeah and it was just make

it happen as simple as that

um so this is where like I said we were

talking about the anxiety thing and it

was just me shutting myself down and

going make it happen stop being such a a

[ __ ] basically and get on with it it's

so crazy that there's all of this going

on like there's that level of analysis

that you know even to like the wind is

blocking you know the a certain amount

of push on the front tire and there's

just no one that you're talking to about

it like it's just you doing your thing

and it's like everyone else has just got

a million people around them and there's

like this guy telling them this and you

should do that and you're bouncing ideas

off each other it's like a fairly

collaborative kind of environment

sometimes for better sometimes for worse

but all this has gone on like you've

just mastered certain parts of the game

that you know still people like maybe

Marquez through turn 3's like he can

obviously get [ __ ] cranked pretty good

in there but it's just like to this day

I mean we're talking

like a while ago now and it's all this

stuff just still Stacks up and it was

just Casey just working on his own [ __ ]

definitely not with um the technical

side technical side we always you know

debriefed always ran ideas through each

other and and when I had something that

I wanted him to to go forward with we'd

decide how much we do and all the rest

of it we'd um we we' work together on

all that sort of things but in terms of

writing uh no one could tell me how to

do do my job better than me so it was

just all about me adapting as best as

possible I never had anybody out on the

track telling me somebody's doing

something different here uh a couple of

times with Honda we had a um a guy that

basically drove the trucks and organized

all the team which was Roger and he was

fantastic he'd normally maybe a couple

of times a year he'd go oh this guy

looks like he's doing this a little bit

different it looked quite good so give

that a try um and that was really help

say when you didn't have much dry track

time and you know people weren't being

filmed so you couldn't really see what

they were doing through the practice

sessions um and sometimes he was able to

help like that but generally it was all

just you had to figure the stuff out

yourself um like I said i' I've always

not I have struggled to have people try

and tell me what to

do especially with uh writing and things

like that because they don't know my

process how and why I do things um

therefore they're going you know Jorge

is much faster than you through the

middle of corner number one he's on a

Yamaha I can't carry Corner speed like a

Yamaha especially on a

duat um and Jorge is a completely

different writer to me so I learned off

him where I could but realistically I

could never really learn off hor it was

so polar opposite to my writing style

there was nothing I could do so nobody

could ever really tell me um how I

needed to ride the bike because it was

you know it was so different and there

was rarely a day that I was writing

badly so yeah um you know I often didn't have criticism from anybody around the

have criticism from anybody around the team in that was there ever like did you

team in that was there ever like did you ever get comfy in terms of like

ever get comfy in terms of like the I guess like who you were like the

the I guess like who you were like the like you just you have to play a certain

like you just you have to play a certain role like especially you're the world

role like especially you're the world champion and then you know like the guy

champion and then you know like the guy that's winning so many races and like

that's winning so many races and like you and Valentino for that period is

you and Valentino for that period is like the face of the sport it's like is

like the face of the sport it's like is there ever a point where you felt

there ever a point where you felt comfortable in that role that you kind

comfortable in that role that you kind of have to play because you do have to

of have to play because you do have to play the part in a sense right I don't

play the part in a sense right I don't think I ever became comfortable I

think I ever became comfortable I accepted it um I think it's a big

accepted it um I think it's a big difference the acceptance rather than

difference the acceptance rather than you know that whole thing I just told

you know that whole thing I just told myself to get on with it um but yeah

myself to get on with it um but yeah certainly never became comfortable and

certainly never became comfortable and the and the more you won uh it was it

the and the more you won uh it was it was very clear to me how much attention

was very clear to me how much attention you get winning rather than finishing

you get winning rather than finishing second or third so in 2010 we we

second or third so in 2010 we we struggled That season uh everybody went

struggled That season uh everybody went to the new Forks which made a really big

to the new Forks which made a really big step forward and we were stuck back on

step forward and we were stuck back on the old ones and we just we were just

the old ones and we just we were just that little step behind everyone the

that little step behind everyone the year the front just kept going yeah so

year the front just kept going yeah so we were trying everything we could to

we were trying everything we could to get some feeli back for it and we just

get some feeli back for it and we just couldn't get it uh until the end of the

couldn't get it uh until the end of the season when we made a huge step on the

season when we made a huge step on the bike and and it worked that was where

bike and and it worked that was where the grinder comes into it but uh you

the grinder comes into it but uh you know that that year um I I had this I

know that that year um I I had this I felt guilty for enjoying traveling that

felt guilty for enjoying traveling that year because I wasn't getting the

year because I wasn't getting the attention yeah uh people were still

attention yeah uh people were still recognizing me in all the airports all

recognizing me in all the airports all the rest of it but they were coming up

the rest of it but they were coming up to you probably 70 to 80% left less

to you probably 70 to 80% left less because I was finishing seconds and

because I was finishing seconds and thirds that's crazy yeah and I didn't

thirds that's crazy yeah and I didn't win until Aragon I think that year so I

win until Aragon I think that year so I just I did not get oh it was you know I

just I did not get oh it was you know I was it's a bit like me with uh with Co I

was it's a bit like me with uh with Co I love The

love The Masks um it's really nice it's really

Masks um it's really nice it's really nice traveling you just feel a little

nice traveling you just feel a little bit less I don't get tense um you know

bit less I don't get tense um you know it's it's really you know for me I I

it's it's really you know for me I I didn't have a problem with it at all um

didn't have a problem with it at all um but yeah 2010 made me realize how much

but yeah 2010 made me realize how much less pressure you have when you are not

less pressure you have when you are not winning and and people don't realize

winning and and people don't realize that you know they they think the all

that you know they they think the all the guys have the same pressure on them

the guys have the same pressure on them and some of them to keep their rides and

and some of them to keep their rides and things yes they do but um when you're

things yes they do but um when you're winning and you're expected to win I

winning and you're expected to win I mean the extra pressure is huge uh and

mean the extra pressure is huge uh and Philip Allen you know year after year

Philip Allen you know year after year okay won the first one yep all good

okay won the first one yep all good second one they kind of expecting you to

second one they kind of expecting you to yep did it sweet third one okay well I'm

yep did it sweet third one okay well I'm getting a bit more pressure here and

getting a bit more pressure here and there's a lot of expectation and then

there's a lot of expectation and then each year it went on it's like holy crap

each year it went on it's like holy crap you know like if you don't win here then

you know like if you don't win here then um you know especially since I think in

um you know especially since I think in the six years I think it was I didn't

the six years I think it was I didn't lead two laps of all those races that I

lead two laps of all those races that I won in a row at Philip Island so there

won in a row at Philip Island so there was a lot of expectation and it was that

was a lot of expectation and it was that easy to crash around that place um that

easy to crash around that place um that uh yeah always felt you know a bit tense

uh yeah always felt you know a bit tense and everything to to to not stuff up

and everything to to to not stuff up rather than to go out and enjoy it so it

rather than to go out and enjoy it so it was never enjoyable in the end do you

was never enjoyable in the end do you think that knowing what you know now cuz

think that knowing what you know now cuz obviously hindsight is always 2020 do

obviously hindsight is always 2020 do you think that if you went back and just

you think that if you went back and just you kept everything the same but all you

you kept everything the same but all you did was just have like this new

did was just have like this new knowledge you couldn't have any

knowledge you couldn't have any different bikes you couldn't have you

different bikes you couldn't have you know you and adrey doing the same thing

know you and adrey doing the same thing the kids came at the same time

the kids came at the same time everything was the same except you just

everything was the same except you just know more about yourself do you think

know more about yourself do you think that you go back and enjoy the the fame

that you go back and enjoy the the fame and enjoy not NE cuz there's a

and enjoy not NE cuz there's a difference

difference between I guess like enjoying it for

between I guess like enjoying it for what it is um as opposed to like buying

what it is um as opposed to like buying into it and like like uh swimming in the

into it and like like uh swimming in the fame kind of thing you know like it I

fame kind of thing you know like it I guess like to a weird analogy it's like

guess like to a weird analogy it's like it's there and you got it as a pool that

it's there and you got it as a pool that you can like sit and look over the

you can like sit and look over the balcony and there's this nice pool that

balcony and there's this nice pool that you've got in your yard but you're not

you've got in your yard but you're not swimming in it all the time whereas like

swimming in it all the time whereas like when if you just love the fame you're

when if you just love the fame you're just laughing it up you're just in there

just laughing it up you're just in there every single day but do you think

every single day but do you think there's a way that you could go back now

there's a way that you could go back now knowing especially that knowing about

knowing especially that knowing about anxiety you know like there'd be a bunch

anxiety you know like there'd be a bunch of stuff that I'm sure you could do to

of stuff that I'm sure you could do to just like get through that process a lot

just like get through that process a lot easier these days like do you think

easier these days like do you think knowing what you know now it could be

knowing what you know now it could be more fun I think it would be not

more fun I think it would be not necessarily more fun because the racing

necessarily more fun because the racing side was always the same for me just

side was always the same for me just hectic um I think if I had a little a

hectic um I think if I had a little a bit more knowledge it would have made

bit more knowledge it would have made the media side a little easier uh I

the media side a little easier uh I think knowledge in dealing with the

think knowledge in dealing with the media um and and how to ride things out

media um and and how to ride things out with that side of things could have

with that side of things could have helped me a lot um again I had no one on

helped me a lot um again I had no one on my side I had no teachings I went from

my side I had no teachings I went from being pretty much a nobody to then world

being pretty much a nobody to then world champion and so I had everything dumped

champion and so I had everything dumped on me instantly it wasn't like I I came

on me instantly it wasn't like I I came up through the lower categories getting

up through the lower categories getting slightly more and more and more

slightly more and more and more attention uh with success it was

attention uh with success it was literally like I was a nobody I wasn't

literally like I was a nobody I wasn't even considered a fly you know on the

even considered a fly you know on the bottom of the shoe and then all of a

bottom of the shoe and then all of a sudden I won a World Championship and I

sudden I won a World Championship and I was a serious threat from then on out

was a serious threat from then on out and you were young and I was young so I

and you were young and I was young so I went from nothing to everything and it

went from nothing to everything and it it it took me back I I really I didn't

it it took me back I I really I didn't handle it well um looking back there was

handle it well um looking back there was so many things that I cringe at I'm like

so many things that I cringe at I'm like man just that was ridiculous um what was

man just that was ridiculous um what was it about it though like what was the

it about it though like what was the element of it that you struggled with

element of it that you struggled with the most just the attention just too

the most just the attention just too much well from nothing to everything it

much well from nothing to everything it was just like it's something I've never

was just like it's something I've never liked anyway yeah um I've never wanted

liked anyway yeah um I've never wanted to race to become famous yeah ever I

to race to become famous yeah ever I wanted to race to win and that was it

wanted to race to win and that was it and so the fame was a really hard thing

and so the fame was a really hard thing to take and um you know it was week

to take and um you know it was week after week it never left you um didn't

after week it never left you um didn't matter where you went where you traveled

matter where you went where you traveled especially in Europe it was just you

especially in Europe it was just you know you got recognize every everywhere

know you got recognize every everywhere you went um and I didn't enjoy being

you went um and I didn't enjoy being recognized and looked at and spoken

recognized and looked at and spoken about um you know you could hear people

about um you know you could hear people whispering all that just constant and I

whispering all that just constant and I was just it it never felt comfortable I

was just it it never felt comfortable I never spent money I never F flew private

never spent money I never F flew private or anything like just about everybody is

or anything like just about everybody is these days um so I just I was always

these days um so I just I was always very tense so traveling was not an

very tense so traveling was not an enjoyable thing for me I didn't enjoy

enjoyable thing for me I didn't enjoy Ching I just wanted to go home yeah um

Ching I just wanted to go home yeah um after the race I just wanted to go home

after the race I just wanted to go home my holiday was at home and that's

my holiday was at home and that's probably the biggest thing I probably

probably the biggest thing I probably messed up on was probably having

messed up on was probably having somebody to help take a little bit of

somebody to help take a little bit of the pressures away from me and organize

the pressures away from me and organize things a little better yeah were you

things a little better yeah were you dealing with like just so much

dealing with like just so much day-to-day [ __ ] as well that you

day-to-day [ __ ] as well that you probably shouldn't have been dealing

probably shouldn't have been dealing with like you probably like the there's

with like you probably like the there's a a way I can go with man friends to

a a way I can go with man friends to where it's like they have a [ __ ]

where it's like they have a [ __ ] liability and then they're there for the

liability and then they're there for the wrong reasons and it's like so for

wrong reasons and it's like so for instance like Jack runs a pretty similar

instance like Jack runs a pretty similar program like it's just pretty much him

program like it's just pretty much him and he's got Tommy that's there and like

and he's got Tommy that's there and like I mean I personally think that if I was

I mean I personally think that if I was Jack I would just say to Franco who's

Jack I would just say to Franco who's his best M they've known each other

his best M they've known each other forever like hey you just need to come

forever like hey you just need to come with me and like be my [ __ ] guy just

with me and like be my [ __ ] guy just to have a mate have that Vibe around you

to have a mate have that Vibe around you you know have a guy that can kind of you

you know have a guy that can kind of you can deflect some of that stuff off like

can deflect some of that stuff off like because it can just be too much if

because it can just be too much if you're like dealing with it directly but

you're like dealing with it directly but then it's weird because you know like

then it's weird because you know like for let's say Jack and Franco they've

for let's say Jack and Franco they've been best friends forever and Franco is

been best friends forever and Franco is the kind of guy that is like would

the kind of guy that is like would barely let you pay for his dinner let

barely let you pay for his dinner let alone pay the guy wage but it's like

alone pay the guy wage but it's like that's probably the dude that you need

that's probably the dude that you need just to have someone there that you just

just to have someone there that you just fully trust that's there and like you

fully trust that's there and like you don't want adrey doing it all like she's

don't want adrey doing it all like she's your buddy your wife you know like you

your buddy your wife you know like you want to enjoy like partner time as

want to enjoy like partner time as opposed to like a business kind of

opposed to like a business kind of relationship [ __ ] but it's be so hard to

relationship [ __ ] but it's be so hard to you know commit to having like a good

you know commit to having like a good friend that is just kind of there and I

friend that is just kind of there and I guess that takes like a special sort of

guess that takes like a special sort of dude but were you just dealing with too

dude but were you just dealing with too much stuff and you kind of didn't have

much stuff and you kind of didn't have that around you yeah I definitely didn't

that around you yeah I definitely didn't have enough of that around me because as

have enough of that around me because as much as you think the team's all there

much as you think the team's all there for you the team's half the ones that

for you the team's half the ones that are just crushing you with stuff they

are just crushing you with stuff they want to get as much out of you as they

want to get as much out of you as they can and I was never the the especially

can and I was never the the especially when you start winning because the bonus

when you start winning because the bonus checks are coming they're like

checks are coming they're like exactly well I was still not paid much

exactly well I was still not paid much in terms of D compared to every other

in terms of D compared to every other one else there but um they just they

one else there but um they just they never stop they don't know when to stop

never stop they don't know when to stop they go right you're winning races

they go right you're winning races you're doing all this you're winning the

you're doing all this you're winning the World Championship we're already getting

World Championship we're already getting a ton more exposure and they just wanted

a ton more exposure and they just wanted to get more and more and more and it

to get more and more and more and it never ever stopped and um and that's

never ever stopped and um and that's where it was hard for me and one of the

where it was hard for me and one of the reasons I left UK not only that wasn't

reasons I left UK not only that wasn't it wasn't the main reason whatsoever um

it wasn't the main reason whatsoever um but it was it was hard dealing with them

but it was it was hard dealing with them because they just wanted to take as much

because they just wanted to take as much as they can out of you and use you for

as they can out of you and use you for as much as they can to get sponsors and

as much as they can to get sponsors and get everything else which does make

get everything else which does make sense to a Mak sense to a certain degree

sense to a Mak sense to a certain degree diminishing returns exactly so youve

diminishing returns exactly so youve you've got to you know it's a bit like

you've got to you know it's a bit like you got to look after investment as well

you got to look after investment as well yeah um and that's something they don't

yeah um and that's something they don't do well and they still to this day do

do well and they still to this day do not do that well um and so that that's

not do that well um and so that that's sort of a little bit frustrating that

sort of a little bit frustrating that made it hard with it was a lot better

made it hard with it was a lot better things were a lot more organized a lot

things were a lot more organized a lot more planned out um they let you know a

more planned out um they let you know a lot more further in advance what was

lot more further in advance what was happening so my last couple of years in

happening so my last couple of years in in Honda was a lot more relaxed it still

in Honda was a lot more relaxed it still would have liked it to be a bit better

would have liked it to be a bit better but overall it was it was a lot more

but overall it was it was a lot more relaxed in that way um I think if you've

relaxed in that way um I think if you've got a friend there with you yes it can

got a friend there with you yes it can be a good thing but it can also be a bad

be a good thing but it can also be a bad thing everything turns into a joke

thing everything turns into a joke everything turns into a bit of fun yeah

everything turns into a bit of fun yeah as you know for me I don't believe

as you know for me I don't believe you're there to have fun I believe

you're there to have fun I believe you're there to make sacrifices and get

you're there to make sacrifices and get job done that you're supposed to so it

job done that you're supposed to so it doesn't mean that you're not supposed to

doesn't mean that you're not supposed to have any fun at all um because that will

have any fun at all um because that will literally take your career and shorten

literally take your career and shorten it all the rest of it but I think there

it all the rest of it but I think there are far too many athletes out there that

are far too many athletes out there that go oh it's not me and I I just want to

go oh it's not me and I I just want to be me well that's great you now go and

be me well that's great you now go and win races yeah and then they'll make

win races yeah and then they'll make excuses as why they're win not winning

excuses as why they're win not winning races and they're not fit enough and

races and they're not fit enough and they're all these sort of things because

they're all these sort of things because they're just there to have fun but yet

they're just there to have fun but yet as you're talking about they want to win

as you're talking about they want to win they want to be world champion but they

they want to be world champion but they don't want to make a sacrifice because

don't want to make a sacrifice because they don't want to change their

they don't want to change their lifestyle and that's something I have a

lifestyle and that's something I have a big problem with in in today's society

big problem with in in today's society let alone um the the races of today and

let alone um the the races of today and sports athletes of today they expect to

sports athletes of today they expect to get more um than what they deserved I

get more um than what they deserved I suppose yeah and you know you're not

suppose yeah and you know you're not going to get anywhere without sacrifice

going to get anywhere without sacrifice not only for the fact that you know

not only for the fact that you know sacrifice does a lot for showing your

sacrifice does a lot for showing your sponsors and your team how much effort

sponsors and your team how much effort you're putting in but at the same time

you're putting in but at the same time um it's it's hard for me to explain what

um it's it's hard for me to explain what sacrifice does and what it means but it

sacrifice does and what it means but it means a commitment from you yeah and I

means a commitment from you yeah and I just don't see anybody committing these

just don't see anybody committing these days they just go if I can't be me I

days they just go if I can't be me I don't want to be here or okay there's

don't want to be here or okay there's the door sort of thing you know these

the door sort of thing you know these are amazing opportunities that people

are amazing opportunities that people are lining up to take yeah um you need

are lining up to take yeah um you need to make the most of it and the only way

to make the most of it and the only way to do that is to sacrifice and you think

to do that is to sacrifice and you think about it too man like let's say you work

about it too man like let's say you work you're a fireman you've got x amount of

you're a fireman you've got x amount of hours that constitute a career like

hours that constitute a career like let's say you work there from when

let's say you work there from when you're 27 to 65 you'll work X number of

you're 27 to 65 you'll work X number of hours and that's your career and then

hours and that's your career and then it's like in in my mind anyway like you

it's like in in my mind anyway like you you did what so few people have ever

you did what so few people have ever been able to do in sport which is to get

been able to do in sport which is to get a careers worth of earning or like a

a careers worth of earning or like a life worth of earning and then like jam

life worth of earning and then like jam that into

that into a really really short career but it's

a really really short career but it's still a career and and in my eyes it

still a career and and in my eyes it makes sense that you would essentially

makes sense that you would essentially work the same amount of hours as like

work the same amount of hours as like let's say that fireman in his huge

let's say that fireman in his huge career you've just condensed it and then

career you've just condensed it and then because you've been willing to condense

because you've been willing to condense that uh that total sum of hours into a

that uh that total sum of hours into a much smaller package and it's more

much smaller package and it's more focused attention you get a 10x return

focused attention you get a 10x return on on that time because you sacrificed

on on that time because you sacrificed and put it all into this short period

and put it all into this short period like that's how I kind of see it and I

like that's how I kind of see it and I mean I think about it in a similar way

mean I think about it in a similar way with the podcast at times it's like most

with the podcast at times it's like most people that are close to me and close to

people that are close to me and close to my uh in my circle will just say like

my uh in my circle will just say like you work too much you take you need to

you work too much you take you need to take some time you and I'm like I'm I

take some time you and I'm like I'm I I'm uncomfortable right now because I'm

I'm uncomfortable right now because I'm not where I want to be like I don't want

not where I want to be like I don't want to be comfortable here this here that

to be comfortable here this here that apartment I'm living in this place this

apartment I'm living in this place this the this isn't comfortable this isn't my

the this isn't comfortable this isn't my idea of what I want so I'm not going to

idea of what I want so I'm not going to get comfortable here like you need I

get comfortable here like you need I need to be uncomfortable like I need to

need to be uncomfortable like I need to cram in the this you need make sacri

cram in the this you need make sacri sacrifice so I mean to me as an athlete

sacrifice so I mean to me as an athlete and you said it perfectly like you get

and you said it perfectly like you get this opportunity so it's like man

this opportunity so it's like man [ __ ] send it 24 hours a day like just

[ __ ] send it 24 hours a day like just do make your life about this thing for x

do make your life about this thing for x amount of years and then you're done and

amount of years and then you're done and then you can live like there's just not

then you can live like there's just not many places in life where you can get

many places in life where you can get given this opportunity to make a life's

given this opportunity to make a life's worth of earnings in seven years and you

worth of earnings in seven years and you know like when you I think when you you

know like when you I think when you you obviously saw it like that is like I can

obviously saw it like that is like I can just get all the bread right now and

just get all the bread right now and then dip well the um if everything went

then dip well the um if everything went as your um let's say your dreams do I

as your um let's say your dreams do I wanted to be a a five-time world

wanted to be a a five-time world champion by the time I was 25 and retire

champion by the time I was 25 and retire yeah um I didn't realize that until a

yeah um I didn't realize that until a friend of mine who used to be my

friend of mine who used to be my mechanic in the 250 class he's like I

mechanic in the 250 class he's like I remember I think I was 27 or I retired

remember I think I was 27 or I retired yeah and he came up to see me anyway and

yeah and he came up to see me anyway and said um you know I remember back in the

said um you know I remember back in the 250 class you told me exactly that you

250 class you told me exactly that you wanted to be world champion five times

wanted to be world champion five times when he asked me what was my my ideal

when he asked me what was my my ideal World um because I also never wanted to

World um because I also never wanted to win more than MC Dawn yeah you know Mick

win more than MC Dawn yeah you know Mick was my idol Mick was everything he

was my idol Mick was everything he showed me um how determined you need to

showed me um how determined you need to be how many sacrific need make he did

be how many sacrific need make he did the same thing he did the same thing and

the same thing he did the same thing and so I wanted to you know if I ever got

so I wanted to you know if I ever got the opportunity I wanted to be a

the opportunity I wanted to be a five-time world champion by the time I'm

five-time world champion by the time I'm 25 and retire done you know reality

25 and retire done you know reality reality reality you know I was I was uh

reality reality you know I was I was uh World Champ [ __ ] I was 16 17 and and

World Champ [ __ ] I was 16 17 and and looking at you know ending my career cuz

looking at you know ending my career cuz I was just you know I didn't think I was

I was just you know I didn't think I was good enough I didn't have a good crew

good enough I didn't have a good crew chief he certainly didn't make me feel

chief he certainly didn't make me feel good about myself um so I you know

good about myself um so I you know nearly threw it all the way then so

nearly threw it all the way then so um you know I'm very very grateful for

um you know I'm very very grateful for where I am and so many people always say

where I am and so many people always say you know what would you um go and change

you know what would you um go and change in your career and there's not a whole

in your career and there's not a whole lot because it got me to where I am

lot because it got me to where I am today it got me to um understand the

today it got me to um understand the position I'm in my life and appreciate

position I'm in my life and appreciate the position I'm in so if I went and

the position I'm in so if I went and redid those bits you know I don't know

redid those bits you know I don't know if I would have got to where I am so

if I would have got to where I am so yeah um I'm very grateful for every

yeah um I'm very grateful for every moment whether good or bad it's uh it's

moment whether good or bad it's uh it's an experience I had to go through yeah

an experience I had to go through yeah and I mean you did what a lot of

and I mean you did what a lot of athletes say they want to do which is

athletes say they want to do which is you know you get in secure the bag and

you know you get in secure the bag and then you you leave and then you've got

then you you leave and then you've got this life to to live you know like

this life to to live you know like you're still a young dude and you're

you're still a young dude and you're retired and you can work on your golf

retired and you can work on your golf swing and you can hang out with your

swing and you can hang out with your girls and you can do all of the things

girls and you can do all of the things but there's a period of you know 15

but there's a period of you know 15 years where that was not the case and

years where that was not the case and you know you got to do the pro one of

you know you got to do the pro one of the world's coolest jobs but wasn't a

the world's coolest jobs but wasn't a job that you enjoyed doing you weren't

job that you enjoyed doing you weren't like frothing every day to put your

like frothing every day to put your socks on and go to work but it's like

socks on and go to work but it's like yeah like you took you could see I guess

yeah like you took you could see I guess you could see like you had the foresight

you could see like you had the foresight to go like I just got a buckle down 15

to go like I just got a buckle down 15 years of just putting myself last cuz

years of just putting myself last cuz that's that's what a sacrifice is is

that's that's what a sacrifice is is there's like this conversation in of

there's like this conversation in of what you would like what would I want to

what you would like what would I want to do today of like today I would like to

do today of like today I would like to go play golf and it's like cool well the

go play golf and it's like cool well the eye doesn't get what it wants yeah I get

eye doesn't get what it wants yeah I get your train sacrifice and then you know

your train sacrifice and then you know you end up getting there why is it hard

you end up getting there why is it hard for athletes to do that then if like the

for athletes to do that then if like the the models there m Casey Stone I really

the models there m Casey Stone I really don't think they realize really you just

don't think they realize really you just think it's actual ignorance it's

think it's actual ignorance it's literally ignorance so many of them that

literally ignorance so many of them that that want to go and you know I don't

that want to go and you know I don't want to train I want to go surfing you

want to train I want to go surfing you know I don't want to do this um you know

know I don't want to do this um you know for instance in M people people that

for instance in M people people that think riding dirt bikes is enough

think riding dirt bikes is enough training through the week well no it's

training through the week well no it's not

not you need to go running or cycling or do

you need to go running or cycling or do whatever to get your um everything up

whatever to get your um everything up you know you need to go and do some gym

you know you need to go and do some gym work to work on the body doing a bit of

work to work on the body doing a bit of track work and writing is not enough

track work and writing is not enough it's not enough to carry you through

it's not enough to carry you through those races when everything's not going

those races when everything's not going well and that's why I believe you see

well and that's why I believe you see such differences in the results at the

such differences in the results at the moment you know people are win one week

moment you know people are win one week and they're finishing you know 14th 15th

and they're finishing you know 14th 15th the next and you go oh it just wasn't my

the next and you go oh it just wasn't my day well no you needed to make it your

day well no you needed to make it your day which means take every element that

day which means take every element that that could have affected that and

that could have affected that and minimize it all and then all of a sudden

minimize it all and then all of a sudden it's a top five or top three is your bad

it's a top five or top three is your bad result and I just don't see that out of

result and I just don't see that out of so many races these days there's just

so many races these days there's just always an excuse there's always a a

always an excuse there's always a a reason why it's happened I think it's

reason why it's happened I think it's because they're not taking every box

because they're not taking every box they're not um they're not wanting it

they're not um they're not wanting it enough yeah yeah I mean the you just

enough yeah yeah I mean the you just would think that it's like really

would think that it's like really obvious what it takes to to win you know

obvious what it takes to to win you know and like there's the guys like

and like there's the guys like for me comes to the front of everyone

for me comes to the front of everyone yeah uh everyone knows he he struggled

yeah uh everyone knows he he struggled to you know keep off his weight and

to you know keep off his weight and things like when he was younger racing

things like when he was younger racing you know he pretty look how much he

you know he pretty look how much he worked his ass off and it's the people

worked his ass off and it's the people that have to work so there's there's the

that have to work so there's there's the diesel

diesel workhorses um then there's the people

workhorses um then there's the people that don't want to put the work in and

that don't want to put the work in and then there's your people who don't want

then there's your people who don't want to put put the work in but do yeah and

to put put the work in but do yeah and it's generally the people that don't

it's generally the people that don't want to put the work in but do that are

want to put the work in but do that are the most successful because they have

the most successful because they have made the most sacrifices and they've had

made the most sacrifices and they've had to drag themselves out of bed every day

to drag themselves out of bed every day to go and make it happen you get the

to go and make it happen you get the Diesels which love training love doing

Diesels which love training love doing it all they're out there just every day

it all they're out there just every day but they're basically just flatlining

but they're basically just flatlining there's no peak troughs they they can't

there's no peak troughs they they can't go and find that next level because it

go and find that next level because it comes to them too en too much enjoyment

comes to them too en too much enjoyment yeah um and they're not taking

yeah um and they're not taking themselves to that next level they're

themselves to that next level they're just happy to to train every day and

just happy to to train every day and it's just this big sort of flowing

it's just this big sort of flowing rainbow um but they'll never get to the

rainbow um but they'll never get to the top and then you get the guys that are

top and then you get the guys that are are talented generally a bit more lazy

are talented generally a bit more lazy and they won't do the extra work because

and they won't do the extra work because they just make an excuse for why that

they just make an excuse for why that race didn't work even though it was

race didn't work even though it was they're not fit enough they didn't train

they're not fit enough they didn't train hard enough they didn't work hard enough

hard enough they didn't work hard enough in their weaknesses um but then they'll

in their weaknesses um but then they'll get the occasional win and everybody

get the occasional win and everybody sings their praises and go oh this guy's

sings their praises and go oh this guy's amazing he's talented look how talented

amazing he's talented look how talented he is Talent will only take you so far

he is Talent will only take you so far yeah before hard work will take you the

yeah before hard work will take you the rest and if you don't have you know the

rest and if you don't have you know the right ethic then then you won't get

right ethic then then you won't get there simple so have you thought much

there simple so have you thought much about what talent

is um to a certain degree but at the same

um to a certain degree but at the same time no because I think Talent

time no because I think Talent is there there's a certain amount of

is there there's a certain amount of natural talent and then Talent can be in

natural talent and then Talent can be in other areas which is work ethic yeah

other areas which is work ethic yeah which is your talent doesn't necessarily

which is your talent doesn't necessarily mean a natural field Talent it can be um

mean a natural field Talent it can be um um hard work there's so many people you

um hard work there's so many people you know like for example let's go Ryan

know like for example let's go Ryan dunie yeah not the most talented writer

dunie yeah not the most talented writer of all time but God he worked his ass

of all time but God he worked his ass off yeah uh and he enjoyed training to

off yeah uh and he enjoyed training to to a certain degree and he sort of got

to a certain degree and he sort of got in that diesel mode where he was good he

in that diesel mode where he was good he was fit he was strong but he didn't have

was fit he was strong but he didn't have that next level that villaa was willing

that next level that villaa was willing to go to um and then he got with Alden

to go to um and then he got with Alden Baker and it it forced him to go out of

Baker and it it forced him to go out of his comfort zone with his training and

his comfort zone with his training and it forced him to sort of go to another

it forced him to sort of go to another level and then we saw him win three

level and then we saw him win three champ

champ ships um and then you've got Kenny

ships um and then you've got Kenny roxson who you know I love what he's

roxson who you know I love what he's come back from all the rest of it but

come back from all the rest of it but Kenny's too much of a fun loving you

Kenny's too much of a fun loving you know oh I just want to go surf and I

know oh I just want to go surf and I want to have a bit of fun today yeah all

want to have a bit of fun today yeah all great but there's a reason he hasn't won

great but there's a reason he hasn't won the Supercross championship and

the Supercross championship and everybody will say it's bad luck it's

everybody will say it's bad luck it's this it's everything that's happened to

this it's everything that's happened to him etc etc there's a point you've just

him etc etc there's a point you've just got to go right you've got to make the

got to go right you've got to make the sacrifice our careers are short as you

sacrifice our careers are short as you were saying and you have to make the

were saying and you have to make the most of it and you can't go in there

most of it and you can't go in there just going oh I'm just going to enjoy my

just going oh I'm just going to enjoy my career and have fun and let it come to

career and have fun and let it come to me well it doesn't come you've got to go

me well it doesn't come you've got to go and get it yeah yeah and I mean you can

and get it yeah yeah and I mean you can you can see like that exact same

you can see like that exact same scenario play out with like a Cooper web

scenario play out with like a Cooper web you know like he the guy that's the guy

you know like he the guy that's the guy that's beating it's like what's that uh

that's beating it's like what's that uh hard work beats Talent when talent

hard work beats Talent when talent doesn't work hard you know like you're

doesn't work hard you know like you're seeing a guy in in Coupe that almost is

seeing a guy in in Coupe that almost is he's almost

he's almost like pumped on his weaknesses in a way

like pumped on his weaknesses in a way it's like the the excuses that he could

it's like the the excuses that he could have are the things that drives him it's

have are the things that drives him it's like he he kind of plays off like oh

like he he kind of plays off like oh Kenny's more talented seon's more Talent

Kenny's more talented seon's more Talent these guys are more talented and then he

these guys are more talented and then he uses that it's like there's there's kind

uses that it's like there's there's kind of like fuel in that and then you're

of like fuel in that and then you're seeing a guy that can like mentally

seeing a guy that can like mentally break people down as well you know and

break people down as well you know and like I actually think um I actually

like I actually think um I actually think Hunter is in a pretty unique spot

think Hunter is in a pretty unique spot this year because the guys that he's

this year because the guys that he's going to go for in this Championship uh

going to go for in this Championship uh with um Colt getting hurt on the weekend

with um Colt getting hurt on the weekend he can mentally like break these dudes

he can mentally like break these dudes down like he you know like you've seen

down like he you know like you've seen Craig in Seasons before you've seen

Craig in Seasons before you've seen moseman in Seasons before like there's

moseman in Seasons before like there's there's even a point where you can be a

there's even a point where you can be a guy like Hunter that can use your

guy like Hunter that can use your competitors's uh mental weaknesses or

competitors's uh mental weaknesses or perceived mental weaknesses as like that

perceived mental weaknesses as like that extra motivator and that extra fuel you

extra motivator and that extra fuel you know I think uh the big thing that needs

know I think uh the big thing that needs to in my opinion what needs to happen

to in my opinion what needs to happen with the riders in Supercross if you

with the riders in Supercross if you want to be good

want to be good there is to not get involved in all the

there is to not get involved in all the petty little takeouts and cleanouts and

petty little takeouts and cleanouts and all the rest of them like yeah they all

all the rest of them like yeah they all love getting into each other and

love getting into each other and forgetting that you know when it comes

forgetting that you know when it comes down to a championship fight uh even if

down to a championship fight uh even if you're not against this guy he's going

you're not against this guy he's going to make sure he puts you over the burm

to make sure he puts you over the burm and and put you out of a championship

and and put you out of a championship like stop getting in fights like it's

like stop getting in fights like it's just they can't seem to help themselves

just they can't seem to help themselves and the best one is like Vince frezy I

and the best one is like Vince frezy I mean my gosh that dude just needs to

mean my gosh that dude just needs to step out of the way sometimes um can't

step out of the way sometimes um can't help but try and get into the side of

help but try and get into the side of everyone and then he loses another two

everyone and then he loses another two positions like they can't see far enough

positions like they can't see far enough forward considering he's a veteran um he

forward considering he's a veteran um he should be able to know a little better

should be able to know a little better by now he gets good starts if someone's

by now he gets good starts if someone's way faster yeah you can you can try and

way faster yeah you can you can try and cover your lines a little bit stop

cover your lines a little bit stop jumping across the track to stop

jumping across the track to stop everybody coming through and then when

everybody coming through and then when they do comes through don't try and just

they do comes through don't try and just jump back straight on him figure out

jump back straight on him figure out who's around you make sure there's a bit

who's around you make sure there's a bit of space if you are going to dive on him

of space if you are going to dive on him there's no one to to to you're not going

there's no one to to to you're not going to lose three position you're not going

to lose three position you're not going to lose three but I see the same stuff

to lose three but I see the same stuff and I swear it's getting worse year by

and I swear it's getting worse year by year that they just can't see what's

year that they just can't see what's actually going to happen well so Colt

actually going to happen well so Colt Nichols I think it's speaking on that

Nichols I think it's speaking on that colt played everybody in last year's e

colt played everybody in last year's e Coast championship he was like the the

Coast championship he was like the the night that jet had his um deal with

night that jet had his um deal with moseman and like they those two just

moseman and like they those two just like got into it and then Jet run it in

like got into it and then Jet run it in on um Colt and Colt was just like dude

on um Colt and Colt was just like dude what are we doing here and then like

what are we doing here and then like literally instead of like you said

literally instead of like you said getting in a fight went over to him

getting in a fight went over to him that's the first time that really spoken

that's the first time that really spoken that much sat down next to Jet put his

that much sat down next to Jet put his arm around him hey man you know like all

arm around him hey man you know like all good just completely like diffused that

good just completely like diffused that whole situation he just like flew under

whole situation he just like flew under the radar and like ended up walking away

the radar and like ended up walking away to see what happened to

to see what happened to him he was going to be hard to beat big

him he was going to be hard to beat big time um but yeah now it's now it's sort

time um but yeah now it's now it's sort of you know we don't really know what's

of you know we don't really know what's going to happen I think like you said

going to happen I think like you said Hunter's in a very very strong position

Hunter's in a very very strong position yeah and if he just keeps his nose clean

yeah and if he just keeps his nose clean gets through makes good passes doesn't

gets through makes good passes doesn't start any nitty-gritty fights with

start any nitty-gritty fights with anyone um unnecessarily and just keeps

anyone um unnecessarily and just keeps his head down then he'll be fine what do

his head down then he'll be fine what do you think about like [ __ ] talking though

you think about like [ __ ] talking though in a in a sense because like I think

in a in a sense because like I think that so like

that so like Craig and uh they did the Press confence

Craig and uh they did the Press confence now that the press conferences are back

now that the press conferences are back so Craig I think Hunter just owned the

so Craig I think Hunter just owned the press conference the other day but uh

press conference the other day but uh one of the guys mentioned something to

one of the guys mentioned something to Hunter about Jet and then Craig was just

Hunter about Jet and then Craig was just like can we just go through one press

like can we just go through one press conference without mentioning Jet and I

conference without mentioning Jet and I was just like oh you just turned your

was just like oh you just turned your cards around and just showed everybody

cards around and just showed everybody like what that button was to be pressed

like what that button was to be pressed now and then you know if I'm a Hunter

now and then you know if I'm a Hunter I'm like literally looking like oh okay

I'm like literally looking like oh okay okay so oh that's that's how it is like

okay so oh that's that's how it is like so there's obviously to me that just

so there's obviously to me that just showed like instantly like oh you can

showed like instantly like oh you can get in Craig's head easily like Jet's

get in Craig's head easily like Jet's not even on the same Coast you yeah okay

not even on the same Coast you yeah okay just

just completely don't even say a word just

completely don't even say a word just let it let it ferment in their heads

let it let it ferment in their heads like just let it go just um don't get

like just let it go just um don't get involved in anything like if that's one

involved in anything like if that's one thing I go back and tell myself is just

thing I go back and tell myself is just not get involved in any of that crap

not get involved in any of that crap it's hard when your emotions are flying

it's hard when your emotions are flying high and all the rest of and especially

high and all the rest of and especially when you're younger um but let them do

when you're younger um but let them do all the Talking they they can fight both

all the Talking they they can fight both sides of it themselves without you even

sides of it themselves without you even needing to say a word so um the L you do

needing to say a word so um the L you do the L you say it it doesn't get inside

the L you say it it doesn't get inside their head because if you say something

their head because if you say something and Chirp off and then it doesn't happen

and Chirp off and then it doesn't happen and it backfires in you they've won that

and it backfires in you they've won that that hand yeah so just don't do it but

that hand yeah so just don't do it but then stay out of it you look at C I feel

then stay out of it you look at C I feel like C beat Kenny like what at what

like C beat Kenny like what at what round last year you know but even he

round last year you know but even he just sort of gave a few Sly smiles and

just sort of gave a few Sly smiles and things there wasn't a lot in there he

things there wasn't a lot in there he just he just it was just a few smiles

just he just it was just a few smiles and the tiny little comments without him

and the tiny little comments without him being anything direct yeah um you know

being anything direct yeah um you know that there wasn't a lot that needed to

that there wasn't a lot that needed to be done you know he sort of like I said

be done you know he sort of like I said Kenny did it to himself yeah Kenny had

Kenny did it to himself yeah Kenny had the talent speed everything and um you

the talent speed everything and um you know just sort of keeps chugging away

know just sort of keeps chugging away and keeps keeps breaking them down but

and keeps keeps breaking them down but uh it's cuz they know he's just there

uh it's cuz they know he's just there he's just going to keep coming and keep

he's just going to keep coming and keep coming so if you just put yourself as

coming so if you just put yourself as that guy you don't need to say a thing

that guy you don't need to say a thing so a lot of people think the mind games

so a lot of people think the mind games work but to a lot of people the Mind

work but to a lot of people the Mind Games just make it stronger like for me

Games just make it stronger like for me if anybody tried any of the mind games

if anybody tried any of the mind games with me it just pissed me off and it was

with me it just pissed me off and it was like well don't do it same thing with

like well don't do it same thing with Cooper pretty sure um you know he just

Cooper pretty sure um you know he just gets more motivated and faster the the

gets more motivated and faster the the more anybody tries to trash talk so you

more anybody tries to trash talk so you really you do have to know your

really you do have to know your competitors and it occasionally can work

competitors and it occasionally can work but in my opinion stay away from it all

but in my opinion stay away from it all yeah just let you let your ride and do

yeah just let you let your ride and do the talking and and that's it without

the talking and and that's it without cleaning anybody out you don't need to

cleaning anybody out you don't need to be a dirty racer to to go on win

be a dirty racer to to go on win championships um I think it's clear that

championships um I think it's clear that the dirty races of the the decades

the dirty races of the the decades generally haven't won the Championships

generally haven't won the Championships you know occasionally they get lucky but

you know occasionally they get lucky but most of the time the guys that are dirty

most of the time the guys that are dirty are dirty with everyone and then

are dirty with everyone and then everyone's pissed off with them and

everyone's pissed off with them and you're trying to race against 20 other

you're trying to race against 20 other guys that want to clean you out yeah

guys that want to clean you out yeah yeah so just just stay out of it it's

yeah so just just stay out of it it's model no it's not worth it we uh we

model no it's not worth it we uh we could be looking at a West Coast

could be looking at a West Coast champion from the Sunshine Coast and an

champion from the Sunshine Coast and an East Coast champion from the Sunshine

East Coast champion from the Sunshine Coast like especially with Colt going

Coast like especially with Colt going out on the weekend Hunter coming from

out on the weekend Hunter coming from like he was 12th the first lap but like

like he was 12th the first lap but like he was basically third last when he went

he was basically third last when he went into the first turn and then I think jet

into the first turn and then I think jet is probably the favorite um on the East

is probably the favorite um on the East so it's like dude we could literally be

so it's like dude we could literally be looking at two Aussie U like AMA Champs

looking at two Aussie U like AMA Champs like really really really we could be

like really really really we could be looking at that that's pretty awesome so

looking at that that's pretty awesome so I I can't wait and uh I hope the best

I I can't wait and uh I hope the best for both those boys and um you know

for both those boys and um you know hopefully the path is nice and smooth

hopefully the path is nice and smooth and they they keep themselves without

and they they keep themselves without injuries and then um you know jump into

injuries and then um you know jump into the 450 class and you know oh that would

the 450 class and you know oh that would just be it' be unreal I I really can't

just be it' be unreal I I really can't wait so what do you see from each of

wait so what do you see from each of those boys that you like and maybe

those boys that you like and maybe dislike

dislike um not a lot to

um not a lot to dislike um I would say for jet he needs

dislike um I would say for jet he needs to not get involved with those little

to not get involved with those little like I said they they might have little

like I said they they might have little Fe he does like that he it seems like he

Fe he does like that he it seems like he enjoys it it's good but at the same time

enjoys it it's good but at the same time lost a championship I'm sorry but don't

lost a championship I'm sorry but don't get involved with it it is not worth it

get involved with it it is not worth it yeah it might make you feel pretty good

yeah it might make you feel pretty good one week when it works for you and then

one week when it works for you and then next week he literally puts you over a

next week he literally puts you over a burm you got a broken arm and it's like

burm you got a broken arm and it's like hm maybe it wasn't worth it yeah so it's

hm maybe it wasn't worth it yeah so it's that whole thing I don't care if you

that whole thing I don't care if you like it don't do it it's not worth it

like it don't do it it's not worth it yeah just again business business when

yeah just again business business when you're that much faster than everybody

you're that much faster than everybody as well stop getting in the little

as well stop getting in the little pathetic fights if you make friends in

pathetic fights if you make friends in the class rather than enemies no one's

the class rather than enemies no one's going to want to clean you out yeah but

going to want to clean you out yeah but if you make enemies everybody you

if you make enemies everybody you overtake is going to be trying to put

overtake is going to be trying to put you over that burm and it's not worth it

you over that burm and it's not worth it I mean the fim doesn't penalize anything

I mean the fim doesn't penalize anything by the SE of it in Supercross yeah I

by the SE of it in Supercross yeah I mean you can literally get away with

mean you can literally get away with anything and I don't see how that's

anything and I don't see how that's right right um I love I know that people

right right um I love I know that people love a bit of bashing and all the rest

love a bit of bashing and all the rest of it but if you're going to be smarter

of it but if you're going to be smarter than everybody else and you have to be

than everybody else and you have to be um stay out of those those little petty

um stay out of those those little petty battles you know you can always make

battles you know you can always make strong passes you don't need to make

strong passes you don't need to make those dirty ones where they're going to

those dirty ones where they're going to get you back there's always a return

get you back there's always a return serve and it's just not worth it yeah

serve and it's just not worth it yeah that's so true um and as a I guess as a

that's so true um and as a I guess as a general thing with jet like are you

general thing with jet like are you seeing a potential Superstar like what

seeing a potential Superstar like what who was that chick that was there on the

who was that chick that was there on the week

week um Sarah like the banks yeah was that

um Sarah like the banks yeah was that there was some chick that jet was with

there was some chick that jet was with that had like 12 million followers and

that had like 12 million followers and then the dude that she was like what's

then the dude that she was like what's she like an actress or something yeah

she like an actress or something yeah yeah like an actress and then the the

yeah like an actress and then the the dude that she was with is like another

dude that she was with is like another celebrity kind of guy like and then he's

celebrity kind of guy like and then he's like one of bringing those people to A1

like one of bringing those people to A1 and like it's so hard and this is what

and like it's so hard and this is what me and him spoke about on the podcast is

me and him spoke about on the podcast is like okay I want you to be that guy I

like okay I want you to be that guy I want you to be the dude that puts the

want you to be the dude that puts the the sport on his back and says like all

the sport on his back and says like all right I'll [ __ ] take all the heat

right I'll [ __ ] take all the heat that I'm going to get for being a

that I'm going to get for being a celebrity and blah blah blah blah and

celebrity and blah blah blah blah and all that I've got this ego and I think I

all that I've got this ego and I think I can do this I think okay cool it's going

can do this I think okay cool it's going to take a little bit of that but then

to take a little bit of that but then it's also that's almost got to be like a

it's also that's almost got to be like a facade like a character that you play

facade like a character that you play and then you've got to know it's a

and then you've got to know it's a character and then you've got to be able

character and then you've got to be able to like literally Park that dude in the

to like literally Park that dude in the garage and then be the guy that is the

garage and then be the guy that is the humble guy with his family and is you

humble guy with his family and is you know no not better than anybody else

know no not better than anybody else like so I mean are you looking at jet

like so I mean are you looking at jet like he can be that Superstar guy like

like he can be that Superstar guy like he's got the personality he's got the

he's got the personality he's got the the like the on the bike side of it I I

the like the on the bike side of it I I think so but at the same time he's 17 18

think so but at the same time he's 17 18 yeah

yeah um trying to split those and essentially

um trying to split those and essentially having a split personality at a young

having a split personality at a young age no he just needs to focus on racing

age no he just needs to focus on racing yeah it's this whole thing of you know

yeah it's this whole thing of you know you can go around try and create

you can go around try and create something at such a young age but then

something at such a young age but then what if you don't make it because you

what if you don't make it because you didn't put you know tick all the boxes

didn't put you know tick all the boxes and and line everything up correctly you

and and line everything up correctly you were worried about things that you

were worried about things that you didn't need to just get on with racing

didn't need to just get on with racing go and win some championships first then

go and win some championships first then you can do all that stuff plenty of time

you can do all that stuff plenty of time for that afterwards to bring everybody

for that afterwards to bring everybody in um but if you're trying to bring

in um but if you're trying to bring everybody in and then basically

everybody in and then basically completely flop then that's not going to

completely flop then that's not going to look real good you know just takes a bit

look real good you know just takes a bit of concentration away and it's something

of concentration away and it's something that um I was actually quite surprised I

that um I was actually quite surprised I went to gosh it was a couple years ago

went to gosh it was a couple years ago now to the um Monster Energy Cup and I

now to the um Monster Energy Cup and I found um so many of the Supercross

found um so many of the Supercross riders were out at a party the night

riders were out at a party the night before and I'm like are you kidding

before and I'm like are you kidding me then you know they go on crash that

me then you know they go on crash that next night and say it's unlucky like no

next night and say it's unlucky like no it's not it's a bad decision yeah um so

it's not it's a bad decision yeah um so it's that kind of thing you know you get

it's that kind of thing you know you get drawn into that industry a bit too much

drawn into that industry a bit too much it's all about you know what you you're

it's all about you know what you you're doing and how you're looking then you

doing and how you're looking then you just one of these fun loving you know

just one of these fun loving you know sweet guys that isn't putting the work

sweet guys that isn't putting the work in you need to make sure you put the

in you need to make sure you put the work in and as long as you're not making

work in and as long as you're not making any mistakes and that's not taking away

any mistakes and that's not taking away from your

from your results by all means yeah but for me

results by all means yeah but for me especially as a young writer you need to

especially as a young writer you need to go out get those results first prove

go out get those results first prove your worth and then um and then you can

your worth and then um and then you can sort of move on from there but you know

sort of move on from there but you know both the the Lawrence brothers have

both the the Lawrence brothers have immense Talent we've got Hunter who you

immense Talent we've got Hunter who you know I feel like I don't know them

know I feel like I don't know them personally I feel like he's a bit more

personally I feel like he's a bit more of the hard worker and bit more

of the hard worker and bit more methodical he's going to work his ass

methodical he's going to work his ass off and he could be the one you got to

off and he could be the one you got to watch out for it was a bit like voto in

watch out for it was a bit like voto in the lights class compared to alesi alesi

the lights class compared to alesi alesi kicked his ass for all away and then you

kicked his ass for all away and then you get off and VTO is one of the greatest

get off and VTO is one of the greatest of all time so you've got to look at

of all time so you've got to look at sort of those aspects and and you got to

sort of those aspects and and you got to watch out for the dark horses that are

watch out for the dark horses that are going to be in the working and lurking

going to be in the working and lurking rather than the guys that are in the in

rather than the guys that are in the in the Limelight yeah try not to ride that

the Limelight yeah try not to ride that Limelight too much especially when

Limelight too much especially when you're young and I think with with

you're young and I think with with Hunter too

Hunter too the there's a lot to overcome for him

the there's a lot to overcome for him because of the attention for Jet and you

because of the attention for Jet and you know like the I know that Darren and

know like the I know that Darren and Emma would say that jet had the luxury

Emma would say that jet had the luxury of seeing all the mistakes they made

of seeing all the mistakes they made with uh with Hunter to a in a sense and

with uh with Hunter to a in a sense and then Jet kind of just like got to ride

then Jet kind of just like got to ride the coattails in a way um but I think

the coattails in a way um but I think now there's probably like this dip that

now there's probably like this dip that would have happened this is just me like

would have happened this is just me like I don't know this for a fact at all but

I don't know this for a fact at all but this is just how I would see the

this is just how I would see the situation like there probably is a dip

situation like there probably is a dip that takes place in Hunter's like mental

that takes place in Hunter's like mental when he gets injured Jets crazy on the

when he gets injured Jets crazy on the Ride On The Rise and then there's all

Ride On The Rise and then there's all this like kind of fanfare about him and

this like kind of fanfare about him and that I could see that being a dip but I

that I could see that being a dip but I really feel like especially with the

really feel like especially with the riter A1 that you're seeing the a guy

riter A1 that you're seeing the a guy that just fully put all that [ __ ] to bed

that just fully put all that [ __ ] to bed in his own mind like he kind of got

in his own mind like he kind of got through a bit of that slump and is now

through a bit of that slump and is now just like so [ __ ] down to to to get

just like so [ __ ] down to to to get it done because I feel like there would

it done because I feel like there would be a lot to overcome as like the older

be a lot to overcome as like the older brother watching the younger brother do

brother watching the younger brother do um what he did you know like I feel like

um what he did you know like I feel like that is something that you regardless of

that is something that you regardless of what you said um that would be something

what you said um that would be something to work through but the fact that you

to work through but the fact that you work through that I think that's going

work through that I think that's going to make him like a really like a

to make him like a really like a stronger dude going forward I think we

stronger dude going forward I think we can look at it almost in the way that

can look at it almost in the way that you know Ricky carmichel had to work his

you know Ricky carmichel had to work his ass off train harder than probably

ass off train harder than probably everybody out there um to get his

everybody out there um to get his results and it might be the same way

results and it might be the same way that every every heartache and

that every every heartache and everything you go through makes you

everything you go through makes you stronger as long as it you don't

stronger as long as it you don't literally fall off and let it affect you

literally fall off and let it affect you and all that it only makes you stronger

and all that it only makes you stronger it makes you deal with things it makes

it makes you deal with things it makes you more resistant resilient um so for

you more resistant resilient um so for Hunter I can see that only being a

Hunter I can see that only being a benefit for him as much as you know it

benefit for him as much as you know it might be hard I haven't had you know a

might be hard I haven't had you know a little brother I can't sit there and say

little brother I can't sit there and say what it was going to be like but if I

what it was going to be like but if I would H was Hunter I would enjoy the

would H was Hunter I would enjoy the fact that I'm not getting the attention

fact that I'm not getting the attention fly under the radar work my ass off then

fly under the radar work my ass off then all of a sudden I'm like hey I'm here

all of a sudden I'm like hey I'm here yeah um in a lot of ways it's going to

yeah um in a lot of ways it's going to be a massive added bonus uh for Hunter

be a massive added bonus uh for Hunter to to do it this way um to sit back like

to to do it this way um to sit back like that basically and like I said just go

that basically and like I said just go to work worry about his own thing not

to work worry about his own thing not get involved with all the rest of it

get involved with all the rest of it it's the biggest thing I can basically

it's the biggest thing I can basically say for Young Writers is just don't get

say for Young Writers is just don't get involved with all the hype basically

involved with all the hype basically yeah um because you know it's it's very

yeah um because you know it's it's very hard number one to deal with number two

hard number one to deal with number two it takes away from what you want and you

it takes away from what you want and you need to ask yourself what you want and

need to ask yourself what you want and if it's to win races then go win races

if it's to win races then go win races yeah if it's to be famous then go be

yeah if it's to be famous then go be famous so you need to figure out what

famous so you need to figure out what you want and then basically uh do your

you want and then basically uh do your job accordingly so to talk about the

job accordingly so to talk about the Mind Games you and Valentino

Mind Games you and Valentino definitely did not have a good

definitely did not have a good relationship for like the probably the

relationship for like the probably the entire time that you guys were racing

entire time that you guys were racing together actually I was speaking of that

together actually I was speaking of that this is where some nice research comes

this is where some nice research comes in you you said that you liked him all

in you you said that you liked him all the way until you started beating him

the way until you started beating him and like you lost that respect for him

and like you lost that respect for him that must have been the weirdest thing

that must have been the weirdest thing in the world to go from like being

in the world to go from like being nobody to then beating Rossy beating him

nobody to then beating Rossy beating him for World Championships you become

for World Championships you become probably his biggest right like most

probably his biggest right like most fierce um competitor like what was it

fierce um competitor like what was it like to live through that and obviously

like to live through that and obviously you guys are super cool nowadays so it's

you guys are super cool nowadays so it's like that that's you guys are pretty

like that that's you guys are pretty pretty so it's like full circle you

pretty so it's like full circle you you've got this gift now of looking back

you've got this gift now of looking back at it from this place where like you

at it from this place where like you guys are sweet but when you look back at

guys are sweet but when you look back at that now what was that uh rivalry like

that now what was that uh rivalry like it was it was hard to be honest um not

it was it was hard to be honest um not just the Rivalry with Valentino but you

just the Rivalry with Valentino but you know it wouldn't matter because I raced

know it wouldn't matter because I raced against Danny and Jorge my whole career

against Danny and Jorge my whole career so they've been my toughest Rivals for

so they've been my toughest Rivals for the longest period but for those couple

the longest period but for those couple of years with Valentino you know he did

of years with Valentino you know he did make life difficult he had the media

make life difficult he had the media absolutely wrapped around his finger the

absolutely wrapped around his finger the fans the fans um that would have been

fans the fans um that would have been crazy I did not realize that was as big

crazy I did not realize that was as big a deal as what it was but [ __ ] that that

a deal as what it was but [ __ ] that that would have been gnarly well we had um

would have been gnarly well we had um you know Adriana was on the back of the

you know Adriana was on the back of the scooter when we go into the box several

scooter when we go into the box several times we had people try and rip us off

times we had people try and rip us off the bike like while we're riding along

the bike like while we're riding along the scooter they literally try and rip

the scooter they literally try and rip you in the arm and and um and take you

you in the arm and and um and take you off the bike so they'd step out in front

off the bike so they'd step out in front of you they do everything to try and

of you they do everything to try and make you crash they would do anything um

make you crash they would do anything um to basically injure you or do something

to basically injure you or do something to take you out of the race basically

to take you out of the race basically the the fans is something that

the the fans is something that Valentino's never really put a stop to

Valentino's never really put a stop to that know when they booze he's always

that know when they booze he's always just like you know just I'm just going

just like you know just I'm just going to ride this this wave and as much as

to ride this this wave and as much as that's okay it's also pretty bad um some

that's okay it's also pretty bad um some of the stuff they're willing to do and

of the stuff they're willing to do and they write [ __ ] on my motor home and all

they write [ __ ] on my motor home and all that sort of stuff so have threats and

that sort of stuff so have threats and all sorts of stuff so in the early years

all sorts of stuff so in the early years again I went from nothing to all of that

again I went from nothing to all of that and it was like crap this is a lot to

and it was like crap this is a lot to take on uh I still felt like I I did

take on uh I still felt like I I did quite a good job of just getting on with

quite a good job of just getting on with with our racing I sort of I got wound up

with our racing I sort of I got wound up in it a couple of times that I learned

in it a couple of times that I learned from and like I said I don't think I

from and like I said I don't think I would ever go back and do it differently

would ever go back and do it differently I needed to go through those things to

I needed to go through those things to learn um because I came into it so

learn um because I came into it so quickly I didn't learn it in in a

quickly I didn't learn it in in a progressive way it was like it was just

progressive way it was like it was just thrown at me um so I learned about media

thrown at me um so I learned about media I learned about people it helped me with

I learned about people it helped me with my racing because I was not soft with

my racing because I was not soft with people but I always had a massive amount

people but I always had a massive amount of guilt if I just made somebody run

of guilt if I just made somebody run wide I had guilt that I wanted to let

wide I had guilt that I wanted to let them back pass cuz I'm like oh that

them back pass cuz I'm like oh that wasn't a clean pass you know I'm not

wasn't a clean pass you know I'm not talking about hitting them or anything

talking about hitting them or anything if they just went slightly wide because

if they just went slightly wide because I took their line I felt guilty and then

I took their line I felt guilty and then riding with Valentino made me realize

riding with Valentino made me realize okay I got to stop this um so basically

okay I got to stop this um so basically with Valentino every single time I

with Valentino every single time I overtook him I would try and make him

overtook him I would try and make him run wide because that's all he ever did

run wide because that's all he ever did to me my whole career he would just wait

to me my whole career he would just wait till the last moment bam inside make me

till the last moment bam inside make me stand up or run me wide or do something

stand up or run me wide or do something so I was like right I've just got to

so I was like right I've just got to return serve and let him know he can't

return serve and let him know he can't keep doing that cuz unfortunately I was

keep doing that cuz unfortunately I was too nice in the early years and then um

too nice in the early years and then um you know I let people get on top of me

you know I let people get on top of me in that way and um yeah that was a great

in that way and um yeah that was a great part in my career is I just needed to

part in my career is I just needed to start being a little bit more selfish

start being a little bit more selfish needed to start writing for me a little

needed to start writing for me a little bit more and then that basically meant

bit more and then that basically meant that not necessarily being dirty I would

that not necessarily being dirty I would never ever count myself as being a dirty

never ever count myself as being a dirty Rider um mate you were the Vince free in

Rider um mate you were the Vince free in Moto GP just sat in the front and just

Moto GP just sat in the front and just swerved all over the Track Road just

swerved all over the Track Road just cross R everywhere

cross R everywhere um vce is actually a nice guy yeah he

um vce is actually a nice guy yeah he doesn't ride like a nice guy no he

doesn't ride like a nice guy no he doesn't he needs to um think about

doesn't he needs to um think about things a little bit more a little bit

things a little bit more a little bit more thoughtful but um no I mean you

more thoughtful but um no I mean you know that that really helped me

know that that really helped me massively going forward with the rest of

massively going forward with the rest of my career then I I was a lot more

my career then I I was a lot more confident in the writer that I was

confident in the writer that I was because I didn't have to worry all the

because I didn't have to worry all the time so um yeah that helped me step A

time so um yeah that helped me step A Long Way Forward was learning from

Long Way Forward was learning from Valentino how to deal with the media how

Valentino how to deal with the media how to deal with Riders on

to deal with Riders on track um you'll find a lot of Latin

track um you'll find a lot of Latin blood and clearly in America too they um

blood and clearly in America too they um they don't mind a bit of contact they

they don't mind a bit of contact they don't mind you know trying to swipe you

don't mind you know trying to swipe you here and there so letting them know that

here and there so letting them know that you're not a pushover is one thing but I

you're not a pushover is one thing but I still didn't need to resort to being

still didn't need to resort to being dirty um you know to get the job done

dirty um you know to get the job done you talk about I guess like you are the

you talk about I guess like you are the example of the guy that was just never

example of the guy that was just never comfortable in that environment and you

comfortable in that environment and you were

were never drinking the Kool-Aid you were

never drinking the Kool-Aid you were never like wanting the fame and then

never like wanting the fame and then opposite you on the podium or next to

opposite you on the podium or next to you on the podium you go one two or 2

you on the podium you go one two or 2 one is the guy in Valentino that seemed

one is the guy in Valentino that seemed to just love that you know and there's

to just love that you know and there's guys that can deal with it in such a a

guys that can deal with it in such a a different way and he seemed to like

different way and he seemed to like Thrive off that energy and loved having

Thrive off that energy and loved having the the crowd with him and was that a

the the crowd with him and was that a trip to be you guys are in the same

trip to be you guys are in the same class going one and two or two and one

class going one and two or two and one or whatever it is and it's like talk

or whatever it is and it's like talk about you know there's a bunch of ways

about you know there's a bunch of ways of skin a cat like there's a dude that

of skin a cat like there's a dude that is probably your like theis of Casey

is probably your like theis of Casey Stoner is Valentino Rossy and you guys

Stoner is Valentino Rossy and you guys just Fire and Ice every single time was

just Fire and Ice every single time was it like weird for you to to like see

it like weird for you to to like see someone so different from you in that

someone so different from you in that sort of sense as well um yes and no

sort of sense as well um yes and no because I'd been with uh i' I'd you know

because I'd been with uh i' I'd you know been in the the GP class long enough not

been in the the GP class long enough not necessarily motor GP against Valentino

necessarily motor GP against Valentino but I'd been amongst Europeans that love

but I'd been amongst Europeans that love to

to celebrate their victories I mean they

celebrate their victories I mean they literally have to come up with um like

literally have to come up with um like CRA celebration plans and everything and

CRA celebration plans and everything and I'm like really like I just I can't get

I'm like really like I just I can't get on board with that you know that's

on board with that you know that's expectation and and like yeah I'm going

expectation and and like yeah I'm going to win kind of thing and then they don't

to win kind of thing and then they don't what does it just sit in the in the um

what does it just sit in the in the um crate you know for several more races or

crate you know for several more races or months until they do win and then they

months until they do win and then they they like oh yeah we've planned this

they like oh yeah we've planned this like every weekend they have to to go

like every weekend they have to to go and plan what corner they've got to meet

and plan what corner they've got to meet them on if they win you know they've got

them on if they win you know they've got to go through this whole thing it's not

to go through this whole thing it's not just oh spur of the moment yeah look

just oh spur of the moment yeah look what's here it's like they've got to

what's here it's like they've got to plan this whole thing and the outfits

plan this whole thing and the outfits and the I mean it's a lot to go through

and the I mean it's a lot to go through just for a little a little uh

just for a little a little uh celebration but anyway each to their own

celebration but anyway each to their own and I think a lot of um Europeans do it

and I think a lot of um Europeans do it to try

to try and um sort of do a bit of Rado to sort

and um sort of do a bit of Rado to sort of say like look I I won I get to do

of say like look I I won I get to do this and show off in front of you and

this and show off in front of you and and you know show that you didn't win um

and you know show that you didn't win um and sometimes it affected me uh not so

and sometimes it affected me uh not so much their celebrations but you know the

much their celebrations but you know the the way they go on in the podium all the

the way they go on in the podium all the rest of it um it's as if they won a

rest of it um it's as if they won a World Championship not a not just a race

World Championship not a not just a race and for me uh I learned a lot from that

and for me uh I learned a lot from that and reading there the way that they

and reading there the way that they would react to how I would react yeah

would react to how I would react yeah and they used to love seeing when any of

and they used to love seeing when any of the competitors were upset or annoyed or

the competitors were upset or annoyed or pissed off but in the end I I learned

pissed off but in the end I I learned very quickly to be happy for my

very quickly to be happy for my competitors was like Hey today I didn't

competitors was like Hey today I didn't have it you did and they couldn't

have it you did and they couldn't understand it my like I I remember Jorge

understand it my like I I remember Jorge and Danny both staring at me just like

and Danny both staring at me just like puzzled as to how I could be so

puzzled as to how I could be so genuinely happy for them and they were

genuinely happy for them and they were just like no this this can't be right

just like no this this can't be right what sort of game are you playing what

what sort of game are you playing what mental game and I was like no actually I

mental game and I was like no actually I take the mental game out of it I'm

take the mental game out of it I'm literally happy for you cuz I didn't

literally happy for you cuz I didn't have it today unless they did something

have it today unless they did something real dirty to me that I was a bit upset

real dirty to me that I was a bit upset with it but um generally they they never

with it but um generally they they never did because they didn't have to I had so

did because they didn't have to I had so much respect for my competitors and so

much respect for my competitors and so much respect for like look I I didn't

much respect for like look I I didn't have it on the day you had it better

have it on the day you had it better than me um I've got nothing more to say

than me um I've got nothing more to say so I may as well enjoy the moment and

so I may as well enjoy the moment and and be happy for you I'm not going to

and be happy for you I'm not going to you know go back to my team and go yeah

you know go back to my team and go yeah I'm really happy with second or third

I'm really happy with second or third you know but you could be genuinely

you know but you could be genuinely happy I could be genuinely happy for

happy I could be genuinely happy for them and they did not understand it so

them and they did not understand it so the moment I did that and that's what

the moment I did that and that's what I'm talking about in Supercross don't

I'm talking about in Supercross don't make enemies m there's there's more than

make enemies m there's there's more than one way to skin a cat you don't need to

one way to skin a cat you don't need to go and make enemies and um if if you've

go and make enemies and um if if you've got more friends in the class less

got more friends in the class less problems you're going to have you know

problems you're going to have you know you show a front wheel they're not going

you show a front wheel they're not going to close you down yeah U they show a

to close you down yeah U they show a front wheel to you they're not going to

front wheel to you they're not going to put you over the over the barriers you

put you over the over the barriers you know it's it's pretty clear um so I

know it's it's pretty clear um so I think you know that aspect I was able to

think you know that aspect I was able to um get around that that whole thing with

um get around that that whole thing with my competitors and then basically we we

my competitors and then basically we we formed basically a big respect for each

formed basically a big respect for each um it sort of didn't matter who won on

um it sort of didn't matter who won on the weekend we still weren't lying down

the weekend we still weren't lying down but maybe we weren't giving people what

but maybe we weren't giving people what they wanted in the big feuds and all the

they wanted in the big feuds and all the rest of it but we'd still throw down on

rest of it but we'd still throw down on the weekend but um you know we we'd show

the weekend but um you know we we'd show respect to the fellow competitors and I

respect to the fellow competitors and I guess that could then probably lead

guess that could then probably lead itself to the annoyance with the media

itself to the annoyance with the media is that when there was no you weren't

is that when there was no you weren't giving them any story lines then there's

giving them any story lines then there's nothing left for them to do but to like

nothing left for them to do but to like just kind of fabric at some [ __ ] and

just kind of fabric at some [ __ ] and then you get dragged into I was the

then you get dragged into I was the worst thing in the world for Moto GP

worst thing in the world for Moto GP yeah really in that sense well in that

yeah really in that sense well in that sense you know you basically saying they

sense you know you basically saying they got no headlines each week so you know

got no headlines each week so you know we we still had some ited RAC yeah

we we still had some ited RAC yeah exactly so um you know I'm I'm quite

exactly so um you know I'm I'm quite proud of that to be honest yeah K kept

proud of that to be honest yeah K kept your nose clean the whole time um not in

your nose clean the whole time um not in the early years but yeah in the later

the early years but yeah in the later years I learned I learn a lot so when

years I learned I learn a lot so when did you and Valentino squash the beef so

did you and Valentino squash the beef so to say like when did it start to come

to say like when did it start to come around and was it like a you genuinely

around and was it like a you genuinely didn't like him or did you genuinely not

didn't like him or did you genuinely not like racing him and being around him

like racing him and being around him because I guess it could be really hard

because I guess it could be really hard to know him outside of that uh it was

to know him outside of that uh it was very hard to know him outside of that

very hard to know him outside of that and I know certain people that do know

and I know certain people that do know him and what annoyed me about Valentina

him and what annoyed me about Valentina was that this was all just at me so or

was that this was all just at me so or just at his competitors it didn't need

just at his competitors it didn't need we we could have shown each other

we we could have shown each other respect I showed him respect he didn't

respect I showed him respect he didn't show any to me um so that's when I

show any to me um so that's when I started getting quite pissed off and I'm

started getting quite pissed off and I'm like right well I'm going to make your

like right well I'm going to make your life hell then just as much as you've

life hell then just as much as you've tried to make mine I will make sure that

tried to make mine I will make sure that you're going to struggle as well um so I

you're going to struggle as well um so I did everything I could learn as much as

did everything I could learn as much as I could in the media uh got really

I could in the media uh got really friendly with a lot of the media as well

friendly with a lot of the media as well so they stopped writing as much [ __ ]

so they stopped writing as much [ __ ] about me yeah um and so like I said I

about me yeah um and so like I said I learned a lot from Valentina and I've

learned a lot from Valentina and I've I'd dare say as Valentino as a guy was

I'd dare say as Valentino as a guy was probably fine yeah um and he was fine

probably fine yeah um and he was fine with me before I raced him yeah but then

with me before I raced him yeah but then as soon as I became a competitor he

as soon as I became a competitor he literally just flipped a switch and went

literally just flipped a switch and went I'm going to you know try and make an

I'm going to you know try and make an enemy out of you and it's one thing that

enemy out of you and it's one thing that I've been saying lately the worst thing

I've been saying lately the worst thing he ever did was make enemies because

he ever did was make enemies because well all of his later enemies his early

well all of his later enemies his early enemies he defeated you know they they

enemies he defeated you know they they weren't as as tough as us to to come

weren't as as tough as us to to come through but he made an enemy out of um

through but he made an enemy out of um out of me and markk and two people that

out of me and markk and two people that he really shouldn't have in my opinion

he really shouldn't have in my opinion you know he tried to poke holes with

you know he tried to poke holes with Mark and everything and they got along

Mark and everything and they got along well at the beginning then he became a

well at the beginning then he became a competitor then all of a sudden you know

competitor then all of a sudden you know he made an enemy of Mark and they you

he made an enemy of Mark and they you know Mark caused him a lot of

know Mark caused him a lot of problems um and may have even cost him a

problems um and may have even cost him a championship in the end so it's that

championship in the end so it's that whole thing don't make enemies where you

whole thing don't make enemies where you don't need to yeah as much as you think

don't need to yeah as much as you think it's it's doing the the right thing and

it's it's doing the the right thing and getting in people's heads um at the same

getting in people's heads um at the same time if it doesn't work like it didn't

time if it doesn't work like it didn't with with certain writers I tell you

with with certain writers I tell you what it's the worst thing you could ever

what it's the worst thing you could ever do because then those people just want

do because then those people just want to make sure you you don't succeed even

to make sure you you don't succeed even if it's not about them succeeding they

if it's not about them succeeding they want to make sure you don't yeah they

want to make sure you don't yeah they don't want you to have your time in the

don't want you to have your time in the spotlight yeah so they will go out of

spotlight yeah so they will go out of their way to do it so be very careful

their way to do it so be very careful about those sort of things and so to

about those sort of things and so to play uh like to play the other side of

play uh like to play the other side of the Court then so you're Valentino like

the Court then so you're Valentino like why do it

why do it um I think it's because in the past he

um I think it's because in the past he had such a presence that he could do it

had such a presence that he could do it um no offense to the competitors before

um no offense to the competitors before before us basically but he could get in

before us basically but he could get in their heads you know he would go up and

their heads you know he would go up and and uh the things he used to say and

and uh the things he used to say and everything it would it would make them

everything it would it would make them fragile but you know but you guys come

fragile but you know but you guys come up seeing that and seeing it for what it

up seeing that and seeing it for what it is in a way not really because so many

is in a way not really because so many people already were nervous going into

people already were nervous going into that class because of Valentino's

that class because of Valentino's presence and all the rest of it you're

presence and all the rest of it you're going in there with a guy with the

going in there with a guy with the presence you're not going in there to go

presence you're not going in there to go and beat that guy yeah it's like fre we

and beat that guy yeah it's like fre we all grew up thinking Valentina was

all grew up thinking Valentina was nearly unbeatable yeah you know my my

nearly unbeatable yeah you know my my career I thought man if I can win one or

career I thought man if I can win one or two races you know in in a year bloody

two races you know in in a year bloody hell that's awesome you know I I had to

hell that's awesome you know I I had to keep changing my goals as I got closer

keep changing my goals as I got closer to Moto GP I went well I'm realistic

to Moto GP I went well I'm realistic here I don't think I can go to the top

here I don't think I can go to the top you know I'm just going to try and do my

you know I'm just going to try and do my best to win the occasional race um try

best to win the occasional race um try and get some podiums and pretty much

and get some podiums and pretty much finish second or third in the

finish second or third in the championship not necessarily beat

championship not necessarily beat Valentino

Valentino and then get there and realize oh no I

and then get there and realize oh no I can I can beat this guy so then um you

can I can beat this guy so then um you know that's when the battles and

know that's when the battles and everything started so um but I think you

everything started so um but I think you know the competitors before us they just

know the competitors before us they just Valentino was in their heads yeah and

Valentino was in their heads yeah and they couldn't get him out basically kind

they couldn't get him out basically kind of like when Bruce irons came and

of like when Bruce irons came and finally beat Kelly Slater it's like no

finally beat Kelly Slater it's like no one could like it takes someone to step

one could like it takes someone to step up and be like and show it just

up and be like and show it just literally get in the dude's face and be

literally get in the dude's face and be like [ __ ] you bro I can beat you you

like [ __ ] you bro I can beat you you know cuz it find I guess that's sort of

know cuz it find I guess that's sort of what it takes to Dethrone somebody cuz

what it takes to Dethrone somebody cuz that's what at the level of Rossy it's

that's what at the level of Rossy it's like you're dethroning the

like you're dethroning the king to a certain degree yes um it

king to a certain degree yes um it depends on how you how you're coming in

depends on how you how you're coming in and viewing it you know again it's the

and viewing it you know again it's the whole um you know blowing up the hype

whole um you know blowing up the hype and all that sort of thing for me I'm

and all that sort of thing for me I'm very much of a realist and it was just

very much of a realist and it was just like I was just worried about me I

like I was just worried about me I wasn't worried about um who I had to

wasn't worried about um who I had to beat going into a weekend I didn't

beat going into a weekend I didn't visualize anything I didn't do anything

visualize anything I didn't do anything like that was like right let's just go

like that was like right let's just go to work uh and if it came to us great if

to work uh and if it came to us great if not we worked for it and um and I think

not we worked for it and um and I think that's the thing that probably annoyed

that's the thing that probably annoyed so many people and maybe even annoyed

so many people and maybe even annoyed Valentino is that I didn't hype it up

Valentino is that I didn't hype it up yeah you didn't give him the respect

yeah you didn't give him the respect that he thought he deser not that I

that he thought he deser not that I didn't give a crap it's just though that

didn't give a crap it's just though that realistically I didn't it was it's

realistically I didn't it was it's always been about me verse me and

always been about me verse me and unfortunately I have to race other

unfortunately I have to race other people so it's me versus other people

people so it's me versus other people but uh the reason I was always upset

but uh the reason I was always upset after races and things like normally it

after races and things like normally it was me like I was annoyed at me and what

was me like I was annoyed at me and what I did wrong and that's all I was

I did wrong and that's all I was thinking about was the things I could

thinking about was the things I could have done better um and trying to make

have done better um and trying to make sure I didn't make those mistakes again

sure I didn't make those mistakes again but yeah I it just didn't really matter

but yeah I it just didn't really matter to me it was whoever on the day I was

to me it was whoever on the day I was racing didn't matter if whether it was

racing didn't matter if whether it was Valentino or Jorge or Danny

Valentino or Jorge or Danny and um you know a lot of respect for the

and um you know a lot of respect for the other Riders but it was those four three

other Riders but it was those four three guys that I was racing you know most of

guys that I was racing you know most of my MotoG GP career was just last three

my MotoG GP career was just last three on on repeat sort of thing um so it was

on on repeat sort of thing um so it was it

it was nice to know my competitors um but

was nice to know my competitors um but yeah like I said it was sort of whoever

yeah like I said it was sort of whoever I was wasting that year or that that

I was wasting that year or that that weekend rather than you know um looking

weekend rather than you know um looking at somebody up on a pedestal is that why

at somebody up on a pedestal is that why you love qualifying because it was

you love qualifying because it was literally just you verse you I think so

literally just you verse you I think so um it was that tracks weren't always

um it was that tracks weren't always free that's why I used to get quite

free that's why I used to get quite Snappy and and annoyed and qualifying

Snappy and and annoyed and qualifying when people would literally be on your

when people would literally be on your line and try and screw you over um but

line and try and screw you over um but qualifying you know you had good grip

qualifying you know you had good grip you had good ties and it was about

you had good ties and it was about getting the most out of it you you can't

getting the most out of it you you can't run qualifying laps for a race I've only

run qualifying laps for a race I've only done it once in my entire career almost

done it once in my entire career almost twice um qualifying laps your heart rate

twice um qualifying laps your heart rate goes up so much higher there's so much

goes up so much higher there's so much more tension and stress on every corner

more tension and stress on every corner you go into I said that internal gyro is

you go into I said that internal gyro is working over time trying to feel that

working over time trying to feel that last little you're just squeezing the

last little you're just squeezing the brakes that much harder to get that

brakes that much harder to get that thing to turn that much more you're just

thing to turn that much more you're just hoping it grips and holds and there's an

hoping it grips and holds and there's an art to it and it's um it's a lot of fun

art to it and it's um it's a lot of fun like when you it's a bit like um in golf

like when you it's a bit like um in golf you know you swing you hit that perfect

you know you swing you hit that perfect shot it's a bit like that we're trying

shot it's a bit like that we're trying to get that perfect lap perfect Corner

to get that perfect lap perfect Corner every time you can again there's nothing

every time you can again there's nothing no such thing as Perfection but it's

no such thing as Perfection but it's close to possible and when you get it

close to possible and when you get it all right and you you come through it's

all right and you you come through it's such a an amazing feeling um that you

such a an amazing feeling um that you just sort of for me I never got on race

just sort of for me I never got on race day yeah race day it was all just like

day yeah race day it was all just like pressure of don't stuff up don't mess

pressure of don't stuff up don't mess this up you mean fastest all weekend do

this up you mean fastest all weekend do not stuff it up um and it's so easy to

not stuff it up um and it's so easy to make a mistake whereas in qualifying you

make a mistake whereas in qualifying you make a mistake you might get injured um

make a mistake you might get injured um but you know okay I crashed I'm not on

but you know okay I crashed I'm not on pole whatever but um in the race you you

pole whatever but um in the race you you got one chance not like Motocross where

got one chance not like Motocross where you can go and lose the front pick it up

you can go and lose the front pick it up you can freaking lose the front four

you can freaking lose the front four times to win a race yeah uh that ain't

times to win a race yeah uh that ain't happen in road racing it's one and done

happen in road racing it's one and done basically so um you can't mess up you

basically so um you can't mess up you just cannot mess up and that's where

just cannot mess up and that's where it's um the pressure goes up and it's

it's um the pressure goes up and it's more just relief at the end of the race

more just relief at the end of the race that it's done yeah and so the more

that it's done yeah and so the more races that I could win at a slower speed

races that I could win at a slower speed so if I could win a race at 78% riding

so if I could win a race at 78% riding rather than riding at 90 or 100 it was

rather than riding at 90 or 100 it was so much better I got to enjoy it yeah

so much better I got to enjoy it yeah but uh the ones where you're really

but uh the ones where you're really pushing it was you know it was great at

pushing it was you know it was great at the end of the race as finally but you

the end of the race as finally but you didn't get to enjoy it as much there was

didn't get to enjoy it as much there was just that that element of pressure the

just that that element of pressure the whole time of just not to mess up you

whole time of just not to mess up you just said something funny there that

just said something funny there that well not funny but reminds me something

well not funny but reminds me something that I've been thinking about a

that I've been thinking about a lot I actually am starting to think that

lot I actually am starting to think that relief is the feeling that We crave more

relief is the feeling that We crave more than anything

than anything else because there's been times where

else because there's been times where like what aspect what's

like what aspect what's that bang nailed it uh but you can win

that bang nailed it uh but you can win like a

like a a world championship trophy right you

a world championship trophy right you can this is not speaking from experience

can this is not speaking from experience you can win bang that's the the goal

you can win bang that's the the goal that's the that's literally the the uh

that's the that's literally the the uh the reward at the end of it but it's not

the reward at the end of it but it's not the feeling from from all of the people

the feeling from from all of the people I've ever spoken to it's not the feeling

I've ever spoken to it's not the feeling of getting that trophy that is the thing

of getting that trophy that is the thing that feels good the thing that feels

that feels good the thing that feels good is the relief at the end of it and

good is the relief at the end of it and I mean because it it's it must be

I mean because it it's it must be something weird in human psychology like

something weird in human psychology like that you need to have your motivational

that you need to have your motivational set point moved from where you are

set point moved from where you are currently to a point in the future and

currently to a point in the future and it's like that thing can be it can be

it's like that thing can be it can be whatever it can be get a meal get a mate

whatever it can be get a meal get a mate win a championship get a bone BL

win a championship get a bone BL whatever it is but it's like the feeling

whatever it is but it's like the feeling that you get there is like relief that's

that you get there is like relief that's the thing that feels the best at the end

the thing that feels the best at the end of it all and the relief seems to last

of it all and the relief seems to last longer than the holding the trophy or

longer than the holding the trophy or thinking about the the win it's like the

thinking about the the win it's like the relief is the thing that you can kind of

relief is the thing that you can kind of sit in for a bit until you re re that

sit in for a bit until you re re that that set point moves again and you chase

that set point moves again and you chase after that thing again I think in in a

after that thing again I think in in a lot of ways it's a little bit like night

lot of ways it's a little bit like night and day or hot and cold uh it's like the

and day or hot and cold uh it's like the opposite of it so when you're in the

opposite of it so when you're in the moment and you you know you've got all

moment and you you know you've got all the pressure and everything you not

the pressure and everything you not messing up the releas is the the the the

messing up the releas is the the the the relief is the polar opposite yeah so

relief is the polar opposite yeah so it's it's the bit you get to enjoy it's

it's it's the bit you get to enjoy it's like yeah you enjoy that but then it's

like yeah you enjoy that but then it's this part that's the it's just you know

this part that's the it's just you know it's like when you're out in the cold

it's like when you're out in the cold and you get into a fire yeah um you know

and you get into a fire yeah um you know it's it's that you know oh the the the

it's it's that you know oh the the the Cold's leaving my body you know I can

Cold's leaving my body you know I can feel the warmth it's that kind of thing

feel the warmth it's that kind of thing um the tension is disappearing um the

um the tension is disappearing um the body's muscles everything's relaxing so

body's muscles everything's relaxing so you have to go through those hard times

you have to go through those hard times to have the good feelings kind of thing

to have the good feelings kind of thing yeah um it's a bit like training you

yeah um it's a bit like training you know it's hard to go through training

know it's hard to go through training sometimes it hurts and everything but

sometimes it hurts and everything but the rewards you get afterwards are huge

the rewards you get afterwards are huge so it's it's a bit like your reward for

so it's it's a bit like your reward for um you know for all the effort and

um you know for all the effort and everything you put in yeah but um it's

everything you put in yeah but um it's it's very true what you say but it's

it's very true what you say but it's hard to explain or understand what that

hard to explain or understand what that is and why it's the best part of it yeah

is and why it's the best part of it yeah it's weird because it's it's not being

it's weird because it's it's not being in the moment it's after the moment

in the moment it's after the moment where you can reflect yeah and you're

where you can reflect yeah and you're just done like it's over you can and

just done like it's over you can and it's like the the relief that you

it's like the the relief that you feel uh the more pressure that you feel

feel uh the more pressure that you feel the more uh the harder that you've had

the more uh the harder that you've had to work for something like the more

to work for something like the more anxiety that you feel around that thing

anxiety that you feel around that thing then the the more relief that you feel

then the the more relief that you feel it's like in terms of the like the

it's like in terms of the like the championship bonus like MoneyWise or the

championship bonus like MoneyWise or the the trophy or the podium like I feel

the trophy or the podium like I feel like that's fairly capped out like it

like that's fairly capped out like it it's sort of even sex like every time

it's sort of even sex like every time you have sex it's like pretty well the

you have sex it's like pretty well the same thing you know like you could that

same thing you know like you could that you can change a scenario or whatever

you can change a scenario or whatever but in terms of like the feeling how

but in terms of like the feeling how long it stays with you when it pass it's

long it stays with you when it pass it's pretty well the same like so the I I

pretty well the same like so the I I really do feel that there is something

really do feel that there is something with just relief and just you finally

with just relief and just you finally you you it's like you climb the mountain

you you it's like you climb the mountain and you oh it's like a a pressure and

and you oh it's like a a pressure and then there's just like a a release and I

then there's just like a a release and I think that that's the feeling that you

think that that's the feeling that you end up craving and then it's like then I

end up craving and then it's like then I think it works the other way is when

think it works the other way is when there's nothing in your life that you're

there's nothing in your life that you're working towards that can give you that

working towards that can give you that relief then it's like kind of an empty

relief then it's like kind of an empty feeling so I think that's why you you

feeling so I think that's why you you need to have the body contraction and

need to have the body contraction and then release contraction release

then release contraction release basically you need to have to a degree

basically you need to have to a degree you need to have anxiety yeah because

you need to have anxiety yeah because you need to have that P up you know

you need to have that P up you know tight musle stress all the rest of it go

tight musle stress all the rest of it go through all the emotions and then have

through all the emotions and then have the the opposite of all that which is

the the opposite of all that which is nothing so you need to feel that to and

nothing so you need to feel that to and like you said the bigger uh more

like you said the bigger uh more important it is or the more pressure

important it is or the more pressure that you've had the bigger the relief so

that you've had the bigger the relief so it's um yeah it's a very hard one to

it's um yeah it's a very hard one to sort of pinpoint really isn't it yeah

sort of pinpoint really isn't it yeah yeah I've been thinking about it

yeah I've been thinking about it recently though like something happened

recently though like something happened in there the that someone just said like

in there the that someone just said like oh the relief that I felt at the end of

oh the relief that I felt at the end of it and I was like [ __ ] I think that's

it and I was like [ __ ] I think that's probably what you're chasing you know

probably what you're chasing you know and it's it's very uncomfortable like uh

and it's it's very uncomfortable like uh to be in a place where you're there is

to be in a place where you're there is some point in the future where you could

some point in the future where you could potentially feel relief like you there's

potentially feel relief like you there's like a huge setup involved and that

like a huge setup involved and that would be pre-season race One race two

would be pre-season race One race two race three race four and it's like yeah

race three race four and it's like yeah you might win the opener but that relief

you might win the opener but that relief of the championship still not there so

of the championship still not there so it's almost like this thing that you can

it's almost like this thing that you can just build up and up and up and up and

just build up and up and up and up and you can actually like the better you

you can actually like the better you feel um at the end of it is like the

feel um at the end of it is like the more that pressure or whatever that

more that pressure or whatever that you've kind of piled on it is it's hard

you've kind of piled on it is it's hard to explain it's a good point cuz you

to explain it's a good point cuz you know we can go and do testing three days

know we can go and do testing three days of testing and everything and you've got

of testing and everything and you've got um you're relieved that it's over you

um you're relieved that it's over you know it's just like G finally but then

know it's just like G finally but then you need to have that pressure where

you need to have that pressure where it's it's um

it's it's um like you said there there's such a

like you said there there's such a buildup of it and it ends up this this

buildup of it and it ends up this this huge thing that finally the pressure's

huge thing that finally the pressure's off everything and then yeah the relief

off everything and then yeah the relief is just huge yeah and I used to think

is just huge yeah and I used to think that um like this would piss me off so

that um like this would piss me off so much like we'd go and do those big

much like we'd go and do those big shoots like the Ryan dunge like

shoots like the Ryan dunge like cornfield shoot or whatever and like I

cornfield shoot or whatever and like I would have so much nowadays like this is

would have so much nowadays like this is so this is what's crazy like we kind of

so this is what's crazy like we kind of talked about a little bit at golf today

talked about a little bit at golf today but I would say like so I'm literally

but I would say like so I'm literally going to tell you a story about being

going to tell you a story about being anxious as [ __ ] at the exact same time I

anxious as [ __ ] at the exact same time I was sitting at the dinner table of with

was sitting at the dinner table of with Adam Laro and dunge and everyone and

Adam Laro and dunge and everyone and telling him that anxiety's [ __ ] and

telling him that anxiety's [ __ ] and I'm like now I literally relate this

I'm like now I literally relate this story back to just being like insanely

story back to just being like insanely [ __ ] anxious I used to get so anxious

[ __ ] anxious I used to get so anxious about filming big projects right so you

about filming big projects right so you just never knew what it put it knew what

just never knew what it put it knew what it was I just like I uh I yeah I just

it was I just like I uh I yeah I just don't I was completely ignorant to what

don't I was completely ignorant to what how this [ __ ] actually presented into my

how this [ __ ] actually presented into my body but I would I had like

body but I would I had like $150,000 camera I was the only person

$150,000 camera I was the only person there shooting slow motion footage which

there shooting slow motion footage which was going to make up a huge part of this

was going to make up a huge part of this edit every lens that I put on the front

edit every lens that I put on the front of this

of this $150,000 camera was like5 6 7 to

$150,000 camera was like5 6 7 to $20,000 you're getting one chance with

$20,000 you're getting one chance with dunge and it's like the stress and like

dunge and it's like the stress and like the my shoulders would be [ __ ] tight

the my shoulders would be [ __ ] tight I wouldn't be breathing properly and

I wouldn't be breathing properly and like the crazy ball of anxiety and this

like the crazy ball of anxiety and this shoot was this the most dog [ __ ] thing

shoot was this the most dog [ __ ] thing ever and until I got on the plane and

ever and until I got on the plane and flew home and I would look back at the

flew home and I would look back at the whole week as going oh that was the

whole week as going oh that was the sickest week I had so much fun whole

sickest week I had so much fun whole time was an absolute [ __ ] wreck but

time was an absolute [ __ ] wreck but it's again it's like that uh you're just

it's again it's like that uh you're just building and building and building and I

building and building and building and I think relief is what you enjoy you know

think relief is what you enjoy you know and you can look back and be like I'm so

and you can look back and be like I'm so glad I'm so glad that's over and it's

glad I'm so glad that's over and it's it's only fun post Haw if that if that

it's only fun post Haw if that if that makes and that's like you win a world

makes and that's like you win a world title and it's like the season was only

title and it's like the season was only fun once it's done and you've got that

fun once it's done and you've got that relief yeah that's true and then you got

relief yeah that's true and then you got the other things which are actually

the other things which are actually enjoyable to do while you're doing them

enjoyable to do while you're doing them and then you're not you know relief you

and then you're not you know relief you you've not got relief after it's done

you've not got relief after it's done yeah you know if you know what I mean

yeah you know if you know what I mean you're going out and you're actually

you're going out and you're actually riding a bike and really enjoying it all

riding a bike and really enjoying it all day you're not relieved that it's done

day you're not relieved that it's done yeah to be big pressure we bum that the

yeah to be big pressure we bum that the the is that 18 I'm like yep

the is that 18 I'm like yep unfortunately I like [ __ ] we could turn

unfortunately I like [ __ ] we could turn around and go and do it again almost I

around and go and do it again almost I am tomorrow actually so oh yeah well I

am tomorrow actually so oh yeah well I hope I hope you play as good as you play

hope I hope you play as good as you play today it' be nice but you know we know

today it' be nice but you know we know golf one uh one more day and it could be

golf one uh one more day and it could be uh completely turned upside down so I've

uh completely turned upside down so I've got faith um so you and adrey have been

got faith um so you and adrey have been together for a very very very long time

together for a very very very long time what did you figure out as a young dude

what did you figure out as a young dude well I guess you didn't want to be

well I guess you didn't want to be famous but most young dudes were like

famous but most young dudes were like I'm about to be famous I'm about to [ __ ]

I'm about to be famous I'm about to [ __ ] all the [ __ ] I'm get all the money

all the [ __ ] I'm get all the money and [ __ ] all the [ __ ] what did you

and [ __ ] all the [ __ ] what did you obviously she's super hot but what did

obviously she's super hot but what did you figure out where you were like I'm

you figure out where you were like I'm going to turn down all of that for this

going to turn down all of that for this and I'm going to and like being super

and I'm going to and like being super young and super committed and like you

young and super committed and like you obviously could just see that that was

obviously could just see that that was like the path forward like where did

like the path forward like where did that come from it's hard for me to think

that come from it's hard for me to think back but you bringing that up I remember

back but you bringing that up I remember when I was younger I I had the pth I

when I was younger I I had the pth I wanted to be a five-time motor GP or was

wanted to be a five-time motor GP or was 500s at the time five time 500 CC world

500s at the time five time 500 CC world champion I would be married I wanted to

champion I would be married I wanted to have two kids um you know I was sort of

have two kids um you know I was sort of I I had it planned out I suppose not not

I I had it planned out I suppose not not in a way that um you know this is how my

in a way that um you know this is how my life's going to go but that's what I

life's going to go but that's what I wanted that's what I wanted in life um

wanted that's what I wanted in life um so I was never the type that wanted the

so I was never the type that wanted the fame I never wanted to mess around and

fame I never wanted to mess around and do all the rest of it so I enjoy the

do all the rest of it so I enjoy the aspect of you know settling down and and

aspect of you know settling down and and enjoying my life and you know I get to

enjoying my life and you know I get to go on with life a little earlier a

go on with life a little earlier a little quicker and then um you know than

little quicker and then um you know than than some others do but uh I remember uh

than some others do but uh I remember uh when I married Adriana everybody was

when I married Adriana everybody was telling me especially Europeans they're

telling me especially Europeans they're all like oh no don't get married that

all like oh no don't get married that early you need to go and have fun and

early you need to go and have fun and then after you're 30 you can go and get

then after you're 30 you can go and get married and I'm just like no no I'm I'm

married and I'm just like no no I'm I'm good I've got a 15 out of 10 here I'm

good I've got a 15 out of 10 here I'm I'm keeping it there's no way I'm

I'm keeping it there's no way I'm getting another one this kid um and

getting another one this kid um and she's amazing you know there's just when

she's amazing you know there's just when you find someone that's just um clearly

you find someone that's just um clearly you know better than the rest in my

you know better than the rest in my opinion you're not going to keep looking

opinion you're not going to keep looking for something better so for me I I just

for something better so for me I I just couldn't have been any happier and and

couldn't have been any happier and and um you know everybody I spoke to that I

um you know everybody I spoke to that I I had in my close U friendship you know

I had in my close U friendship you know once they all met Adriana and they just

once they all met Adriana and they just like yeah put a ring on that you know

like yeah put a ring on that you know there's no way you're going to find

there's no way you're going to find something like it again so she's she's a

something like it again so she's she's a unicorn so it just was a way easier

unicorn so it just was a way easier decision than people on the outside

decision than people on the outside would be thinking because it's so much

would be thinking because it's so much in in some people's minds and I've

in in some people's minds and I've definitely been there like when I was in

definitely been there like when I was in America like I thought I was the [ __ ]

America like I thought I was the [ __ ] man in that regard you know and I was

man in that regard you know and I was like you got to have all this fun you

like you got to have all this fun you get to do all this [ __ ] I now just like

get to do all this [ __ ] I now just like I [ __ ] literally means nothing but

I [ __ ] literally means nothing but it's like you know you obviously there

it's like you know you obviously there was a train of thought that said like

was a train of thought that said like okay yeah this this is the move and it's

okay yeah this this is the move and it's just such a rare thing for someone

just such a rare thing for someone that's so young and that's got the

that's so young and that's got the Horizon ahead you know but I guess maybe

Horizon ahead you know but I guess maybe you just didn't think of yourself in

you just didn't think of yourself in that regard maybe I never did um never

that regard maybe I never did um never the popular kid never any of that so it

the popular kid never any of that so it was just sort of it never came into my

was just sort of it never came into my mind it was always you know once I once

mind it was always you know once I once I met her I knew that that was it she

I met her I knew that that was it she was it um nothing else like that comes

was it um nothing else like that comes into my mind you know I was only

into my mind you know I was only thinking about racing and my wife you

thinking about racing and my wife you know that was that was my world that was

know that was that was my world that was my my family um you know everybody

my my family um you know everybody thinking that she's going to change my

thinking that she's going to change my racing and how I perform and all the

racing and how I perform and all the rest of it and clearly that wasn't the

rest of it and clearly that wasn't the case cuz I got married one my first

case cuz I got married one my first world

world championship um got pregnant got my

championship um got pregnant got my second world championship so it uh it

second world championship so it uh it sort of pushed all the all the um you

sort of pushed all the all the um you know ridiculous sort of hudos to to bed

know ridiculous sort of hudos to to bed but as much as I was um I felt like I

but as much as I was um I felt like I was late matur in a lot of areas um in

was late matur in a lot of areas um in terms of you know quick wited and all

terms of you know quick wited and all that sort of stuff I'm still not today

that sort of stuff I'm still not today but um I just think in a different way

but um I just think in a different way yeah I'm a bit more old school a bit

yeah I'm a bit more old school a bit more

more oldfashioned um so it took me a while to

oldfashioned um so it took me a while to learn especially with British you know

learn especially with British you know young mates and things like that who

young mates and things like that who were taking the piss out of each other

were taking the piss out of each other just constantly and you're having to try

just constantly and you're having to try and keep up you know as an Aussie it was

and keep up you know as an Aussie it was a bit like oh crap okay they uh they go

a bit like oh crap okay they uh they go hard on each other pretty well but uh no

hard on each other pretty well but uh no it took me a long time to mature in that

it took me a long time to mature in that way and uh and and catch on and work in

way and uh and and catch on and work in with the media and yeah and let's say be

with the media and yeah and let's say be a little clever with with those sort of

a little clever with with those sort of things but uh in other ways I felt like

things but uh in other ways I felt like I was you know years ahead of everyone

I was you know years ahead of everyone um that I knew what I wanted from life

um that I knew what I wanted from life and I went and got it and I stayed with

and I went and got it and I stayed with it and you know will continue to to do

it and you know will continue to to do so have you ever thought about why that

so have you ever thought about why that became like why that was so clear to you

became like why that was so clear to you so young like is that is that just luck

so young like is that is that just luck in a sense like you got your parents

in a sense like you got your parents that you've got and then you've got the

that you've got and then you've got the experiences that you've got and then

experiences that you've got and then they kind of blend in or cuz that's one

they kind of blend in or cuz that's one thing that I always am interested in is

thing that I always am interested in is like is there like a manual override you

like is there like a manual override you know like you can kind of you just go

know like you can kind of you just go like no this is logically the best thing

like no this is logically the best thing to do so this is what I'm going to do or

to do so this is what I'm going to do or if it's just like a completely natural

if it's just like a completely natural thing that you almost don't have to

thing that you almost don't have to think about no it was it was pretty

think about no it was it was pretty natural it was more that you know I had

natural it was more that you know I had um let's say my parents didn't you know

um let's say my parents didn't you know teach me or tell me to have goals or

teach me or tell me to have goals or anything like that I just had my own

anything like that I just had my own goals I had my own life that I wanted to

goals I had my own life that I wanted to to make the most of and um basically it

to make the most of and um basically it was just that that stubbornness that I

was just that that stubbornness that I was going to go and get it yeah um I

was going to go and get it yeah um I suppose you can put it down to

suppose you can put it down to stubbornness anyway it was just I set my

stubbornness anyway it was just I set my girls at an earlier age and um you know

girls at an earlier age and um you know there was sort of nothing going to stop

there was sort of nothing going to stop me so I didn't um let all the rest of it

me so I didn't um let all the rest of it get involved onever drank I never did

get involved onever drank I never did any of that I didn't really ever drink

any of that I didn't really ever drink until after I stopped racing and even

until after I stopped racing and even then you know I've still never been

then you know I've still never been drunk or done anything like that so um I

drunk or done anything like that so um I made sacrifices everywhere like I said

made sacrifices everywhere like I said to get as far as I could in my career in

to get as far as I could in my career in that short space that we have yeah um

that short space that we have yeah um and in my life I feel like I've made a

and in my life I feel like I've made a lot of a lot of good decisions is it

lot of a lot of good decisions is it crazy to you to think like you look at

crazy to you to think like you look at Chad and Ellie and then they obviously

Chad and Ellie and then they obviously like jetted off at at 18 and and she

like jetted off at at 18 and and she really helped him with his racing and

really helped him with his racing and then in your case you guys like there's

then in your case you guys like there's obviously like a massive team effort

obviously like a massive team effort there there still kind of is a

there there still kind of is a stereotype that like a chick's going to

stereotype that like a chick's going to ruin your racing but it's like if you've

ruin your racing but it's like if you've got the right type of chick that isn't

got the right type of chick that isn't like trying to be famous out of it with

like trying to be famous out of it with you and you've got to CH like Courtney

you and you've got to CH like Courtney roxon is like a really good example of

roxon is like a really good example of that as well like I I know her super

that as well like I I know her super well um and she's just not one of those

well um and she's just not one of those chicks and it's like

chicks and it's like is it crazy that that is still kind of

is it crazy that that is still kind of going because it feels like there's been

going because it feels like there's been enough examples of guys like yourself

enough examples of guys like yourself and Chad that have got these amazing

and Chad that have got these amazing chicks that have like been there from

chicks that have like been there from the start and I mean I can see how much

the start and I mean I can see how much of a role um that she would have played

of a role um that she would have played in your career um to just keep the Train

in your career um to just keep the Train on the tracks you know I think um as

on the tracks you know I think um as much as you can say there's enough

much as you can say there's enough examples of it going right there's

examples of it going right there's probably a lot more examples of it going

probably a lot more examples of it going wrong that's probably what um and I

wrong that's probably what um and I would say it's you know it's the

would say it's you know it's the athletes um decision making maybe not

athletes um decision making maybe not seeing what they're doing to them it's

seeing what they're doing to them it's that whole not necessarily ignorance but

that whole not necessarily ignorance but it's that um wishful thinking wishful

it's that um wishful thinking wishful thinking and them not actually

thinking and them not actually registering like we were talking about

registering like we were talking about before where where you know there's all

before where where you know there's all this information about examples of Ricky

this information about examples of Ricky and Ryan and all these people working

and Ryan and all these people working hard to get what they want it's their

hard to get what they want it's their written in words and and results and

written in words and and results and everything people still don't see it

everything people still don't see it yeah they still just want to have fun

yeah they still just want to have fun and be them and all this kind of stuff

and be them and all this kind of stuff and um you know I think it's the same

and um you know I think it's the same thing with um with relationships you

thing with um with relationships you know it's written there you know you've

know it's written there you know you've got to make commitments you've got to

got to make commitments you've got to keep going it's not easy at times it

keep going it's not easy at times it definitely isn't there's no relationship

definitely isn't there's no relationship that I think anybody can say in the

that I think anybody can say in the world it's been easy the whole way

world it's been easy the whole way through um but it's making commitments

through um but it's making commitments it's making sacrifices and it's this

it's making sacrifices and it's this thing that people aren't willing to make

thing that people aren't willing to make sacrifices and and um and that's where

sacrifices and and um and that's where you know things go a little bit skui and

you know things go a little bit skui and they just can't see that the um the

they just can't see that the um the damage that it's doing to the careers or

damage that it's doing to the careers or their lives so yeah yeah I guess um yeah

their lives so yeah yeah I guess um yeah I guess you're right that there's

I guess you're right that there's probably just more examples of it going

probably just more examples of it going wrong than going right that I can't oh

wrong than going right that I can't oh Adam Laro it was uh at that homegrown

Adam Laro it was uh at that homegrown shoot he said uh there's nothing there's

shoot he said uh there's nothing there's nothing better than a good woman and

nothing better than a good woman and nothing worse than a bad

nothing worse than a bad one and I was like that's pretty true

one and I was like that's pretty true like when you get one that is like

like when you get one that is like really really really good like look at

really really really good like look at in your case you know like you guys have

in your case you know like you guys have literally conquered the world together

literally conquered the world together so it's like that's the case of like a

so it's like that's the case of like a great woman helping to have a great

great woman helping to have a great outcome there's definitely been some

outcome there's definitely been some Shockers there's the ones that go the

Shockers there's the ones that go the other way yeah but again that's like a

other way yeah but again that's like a bad decision as well you know yeah on

bad decision as well you know yeah on probably both parts that it just wasn't

probably both parts that it just wasn't working and couldn't see it or didn't

working and couldn't see it or didn't want to see it um you know you are in

want to see it um you know you are in the position you want to be yeah yeah

the position you want to be yeah yeah yeah you're exactly where you want to be

yeah you're exactly where you want to be you're exactly where you want to be I

you're exactly where you want to be I love that saying by the way yeah I just

love that saying by the way yeah I just think it's true a like cuz I guess I

think it's true a like cuz I guess I just now knowing from getting some stuff

just now knowing from getting some stuff that I've wanted to get purely based on

that I've wanted to get purely based on like the work that I put into doing it

like the work that I put into doing it like I just I never I never I guess I

like I just I never I never I guess I just never applied myself to the way

just never applied myself to the way that like to the degree that you need to

that like to the degree that you need to and like when you said before about um

and like when you said before about um the like oh the writing's on the wall

the like oh the writing's on the wall you know you see the dunes and you see

you know you see the dunes and you see the votos and and the the car Michaels

the votos and and the the car Michaels that did that work but I just I don't

that did that work but I just I don't even know that people understand the

even know that people understand the level at which you can work and I'm not

level at which you can work and I'm not including myself in this right now but

including myself in this right now but it's like there's a

it's like there's a 247 like there are people that will work

247 like there are people that will work 24 hours a day like Sam that

24 hours a day like Sam that [ __ ] works like he and there's

[ __ ] works like he and there's problems with his life

problems with his life you know not problems with his life but

you know not problems with his life but there's there's boxes that aren't ticked

there's there's boxes that aren't ticked and it's because there's this much

and it's because there's this much [ __ ] work taking place and it's like

[ __ ] work taking place and it's like and then there's people that like people

and then there's people that like people um I had a conversation with the guy the

um I had a conversation with the guy the other day and and he was talking about

other day and and he was talking about how much Sam was killing it Y and then

how much Sam was killing it Y and then he's like oh yeah and how but how long's

he's like oh yeah and how but how long's F been around I said 11 years and he

F been around I said 11 years and he went what 11 years I thought it'd been

went what 11 years I thought it'd been around three and I was like yeah that's

around three and I was like yeah that's cuz everybody's a 10year overnight

cuz everybody's a 10year overnight success like the people that are really

success like the people that are really killing it you know so I think that yeah

killing it you know so I think that yeah I think that it's probably you know when

I think that it's probably you know when you talk about writers that aren't

you talk about writers that aren't putting in like the work I don't even

putting in like the work I don't even know if they know what the work is like

know if they know what the work is like what that what the ceiling is and it's

what that what the ceiling is and it's like the answer is 24 hours a day like

like the answer is 24 hours a day like there's been times like basically for

there's been times like basically for the last two years so the 23rd of

the last two years so the 23rd of December I went on holidays yep and I

December I went on holidays yep and I didn't basically from when we played

didn't basically from when we played golf lazy man yeah done but when that

golf lazy man yeah done but when that day we play golf I was I didn't go back

day we play golf I was I didn't go back to work after that until the wed this

to work after that until the wed this when whenever it was Y and that was the

when whenever it was Y and that was the first time in 2 years and that's not an

first time in 2 years and that's not an exaggeration like I've gone on a couple

exaggeration like I've gone on a couple trips always had my cameras always

trips always had my cameras always worked always took hard drives always

worked always took hard drives always editing so it's like the people out

editing so it's like the people out there that that think they're working

there that that think they're working hard it's like okay if you're not doing

hard it's like okay if you're not doing it like basically every single minute

it like basically every single minute that you're awake then you're not doing

that you're awake then you're not doing it enough like you know there's been

it enough like you know there's been times where I'll be

times where I'll be watching tutorials of like how to do

watching tutorials of like how to do audio mastering on my phone while I'm

audio mastering on my phone while I'm eating dinner you know and then sounds

eating dinner you know and then sounds like me with my iPad in front of me yeah

like me with my iPad in front of me yeah but but you know like there's a there's

but but you know like there's a there's a level at which like if if you're not

a level at which like if if you're not when you're really in it and it's I

when you're really in it and it's I don't know that that's not sustainable

don't know that that's not sustainable though like you can't do that for and

though like you can't do that for and that's probably what bre that's what you

that's probably what bre that's what you found with racing is that probably were

found with racing is that probably were a

a 247 guy I did manage to to separate

247 guy I did manage to to separate things more later in my career probably

things more later in my career probably too late um was there a period though

too late um was there a period though where that was just it I actually was

where that was just it I actually was very good at separating it in terms of

very good at separating it in terms of um even between sessions during a

um even between sessions during a weekend I'd be playing like Call of Duty

weekend I'd be playing like Call of Duty or something really yeah um I'd try and

or something really yeah um I'd try and separate so I was very heavy work like

separate so I was very heavy work like all in and then all out yeah okay um I

all in and then all out yeah okay um I didn't want to think about talk about

didn't want to think about talk about bikes or anything um I wanted to

bikes or anything um I wanted to actually separate that so I still but

actually separate that so I still but was that a method of making the bike

was that a method of making the bike better in a way um to a certain degree

better in a way um to a certain degree it was me not overthinking it again um

it was me not overthinking it again um even with my training though I'd train

even with my training though I'd train really hard and then I'd I'd rest so it

really hard and then I'd I'd rest so it was um it wasn't you know working my ass

was um it wasn't you know working my ass off to the point where I was you know

off to the point where I was you know going to have a breakdown sort of thing

going to have a breakdown sort of thing I would work very very hard and it was

I would work very very hard and it was like quality rather than quantity for me

like quality rather than quantity for me yeah same thing when I was doing laps at

yeah same thing when I was doing laps at testing I would do probably the least

testing I would do probably the least amount of laps at everyone at testing so

amount of laps at everyone at testing so everybody was and during practice

everybody was and during practice sessions everyone was always you know

sessions everyone was always you know commenting oh he's not doing many laps

commenting oh he's not doing many laps he hasn't got you know his race set up

he hasn't got you know his race set up he doesn't know what the tires are going

he doesn't know what the tires are going to do on the end I still did more laps

to do on the end I still did more laps than anyone on the same set of tires I

than anyone on the same set of tires I just didn't do it all at once or all in

just didn't do it all at once or all in you know sections like they did um so I

you know sections like they did um so I always knew what the end outcome was

always knew what the end outcome was going to be but I just sort of condensed

going to be but I just sort of condensed my work pattern um so that I would work

my work pattern um so that I would work hard for short amounts of time and then

hard for short amounts of time and then basically switch off but I guess that

basically switch off but I guess that there was a 24/7 level of commitment to

there was a 24/7 level of commitment to the fact that the time you were taking

the fact that the time you were taking off the bike was all out so that you had

off the bike was all out so that you had the energy to give and that you weren't

the energy to give and that you weren't drinking you weren't partying you like

drinking you weren't partying you like so there there was it was all towards

so there there was it was all towards the same goal it was definitely all

the same goal it was definitely all towards the same goal you know I like I

towards the same goal you know I like I said I didn't I everything of it was

said I didn't I everything of it was sacrifice um very little of it we didn't

sacrifice um very little of it we didn't go on holidays and you know do all that

go on holidays and you know do all that sort of stuff as well um because

sort of stuff as well um because generally holidays you know we we used

generally holidays you know we we used to take a couple of weeks off at the end

to take a couple of weeks off at the end of the year and it was straight back to

of the year and it was straight back to training and it wasn't a couple of weeks

training and it wasn't a couple of weeks off partying drinking nothing like that

off partying drinking nothing like that it was just a couple of weeks off to let

it was just a couple of weeks off to let the body recover not not going and uh

the body recover not not going and uh you know put it and bury it a little bit

you know put it and bury it a little bit more under alcohol um but then basically

more under alcohol um but then basically Let the Body recover then I could start

Let the Body recover then I could start to build up my base again ready for the

to build up my base again ready for the season so everything was about that goal

season so everything was about that goal um but I just didn't do it 24/7 it was

um but I just didn't do it 24/7 it was just I did my heavy lumps heavy load I

just I did my heavy lumps heavy load I suppose in um in lumps yeah yeah there's

suppose in um in lumps yeah yeah there's uh JB you've got to meet JB he's Sam's

uh JB you've got to meet JB he's Sam's like warehouse manager but he's got the

like warehouse manager but he's got the best saying of all time and it says you

best saying of all time and it says you can have everything you want in life you

can have everything you want in life you just can't have it all at

just can't have it all at once there is that one yeah and I think

once there is that one yeah and I think he is so so bang on with that you know

he is so so bang on with that you know because I think that's probably like the

because I think that's probably like the balance that that you had like you kind

balance that that you had like you kind of it was just all in on the you know

of it was just all in on the you know the racing side of things and then and

the racing side of things and then and then all out yeah and then now it's all

then all out yeah and then now it's all out I finally have a a bit of time to

out I finally have a a bit of time to actually enjoy other aspects of life and

actually enjoy other aspects of life and I haven't got the energy to do it yeah

I haven't got the energy to do it yeah but you're getting better though right

but you're getting better though right like it is slowly getting better I I

like it is slowly getting better I I feel like at times I'm I'm really quite

feel like at times I'm I'm really quite good you know nowhere near ready to

good you know nowhere near ready to start training again or you know doing

start training again or you know doing some light stuff which is way better

some light stuff which is way better than what it was like two years ago I

than what it was like two years ago I was still on the couch yeah yeah when we

was still on the couch yeah yeah when we first met it was you weren't good no I

first met it was you weren't good no I really wasn't good and um so I'm out I'm

really wasn't good and um so I'm out I'm able to be here talking to you normally

able to be here talking to you normally after round of golf I'd be asleep right

after round of golf I'd be asleep right now yeah 3 4 hours from midday until you

now yeah 3 4 hours from midday until you know even 5:00 I'd be out just wrecked

know even 5:00 I'd be out just wrecked um and that's from playing golf being

um and that's from playing golf being driven to every ball you know it's just

driven to every ball you know it's just the swinging of the golf cup and being

the swinging of the golf cup and being outside would take that much out of me

outside would take that much out of me um now I'm able to you know be here and

um now I'm able to you know be here and do this and and talk and I'm not um I'm

do this and and talk and I'm not um I'm not getting as drained as I used to but

not getting as drained as I used to but as soon as I do something physical it's

as soon as I do something physical it's 2 3 weeks to recover it just hurts me um

2 3 weeks to recover it just hurts me um and that's where that's where I'm

and that's where that's where I'm struggling I'm still choosing what I

struggling I'm still choosing what I want to do to hurt myself basically

want to do to hurt myself basically because I want to have some fun yeah uh

because I want to have some fun yeah uh so I'm like right I'm going to go and do

so I'm like right I'm going to go and do this and you know normally it's playing

this and you know normally it's playing golf two days in a row is is me like

golf two days in a row is is me like going out limb here

going out limb here yeah um but then you know I know it's

yeah um but then you know I know it's it's going to hurt me for the next

it's going to hurt me for the next couple of weeks but I just go hey it's

couple of weeks but I just go hey it's worth it you know I go and spend the

worth it you know I go and spend the afternoon in the pool with the kids and

afternoon in the pool with the kids and I'll put a heap of effort in and then

I'll put a heap of effort in and then I'm done yeah it just takes so much to

I'm done yeah it just takes so much to get sort of back to where I was so um I

get sort of back to where I was so um I was trying to do nothing but stay at

was trying to do nothing but stay at that level where I didn't have to

that level where I didn't have to recover but then I realized I wasn't

recover but then I realized I wasn't getting any better the body starts to

getting any better the body starts to break down because I'm not using my core

break down because I'm not using my core I'm not using any muscles um you just I

I'm not using any muscles um you just I started to constantly have issues so I

started to constantly have issues so I was like no I need to start pushing

was like no I need to start pushing myself not pushing myself but doing a

myself not pushing myself but doing a little bit so that the body starts to

little bit so that the body starts to actually try and heal rather than it

actually try and heal rather than it just sit there and basic turn into a

just sit there and basic turn into a waste did you do you reckon that if

waste did you do you reckon that if you had cuz you started having these

you had cuz you started having these massive problems with your body like at

massive problems with your body like at the end of your career would you have

the end of your career would you have kept going if your body was more in it

kept going if your body was more in it or were all the other factors too much

or were all the other factors too much to where even if your body was 100% you

to where even if your body was 100% you were going to be pretty over it anyway

were going to be pretty over it anyway um I probably didn't realize I had so

um I probably didn't realize I had so many issues until after I retired I

many issues until after I retired I don't think uh it was any part of my

don't think uh it was any part of my retirement was not my body I'd just make

retirement was not my body I'd just make myself do it anyway if I had to I'd just

myself do it anyway if I had to I'd just go through it um so it didn't start

go through it um so it didn't start until several years after I retired and

until several years after I retired and it was actually after I decided to stop

it was actually after I decided to stop uh my testing rooll with Cy yeah um

uh my testing rooll with Cy yeah um that's when the body just shut down like

that's when the body just shut down like it was I went and got uh shoulder um

it was I went and got uh shoulder um reconstruction because I wanted to be

reconstruction because I wanted to be better on the bike and do a better job

better on the bike and do a better job for my testing roll all the rest of it

for my testing roll all the rest of it um and it I just never recovered from

um and it I just never recovered from that you know it's just the body was

that you know it's just the body was just too low it just finally got to the

just too low it just finally got to the point where it snapped and and you know

point where it snapped and and you know I haven't recovered from it since so um

I haven't recovered from it since so um I'm grateful that I can get out and do

I'm grateful that I can get out and do things like today but yeah it wasn't it

things like today but yeah it wasn't it wasn't from racing that put me into this

wasn't from racing that put me into this position uh it might have been you know

position uh it might have been you know if I add everything up it's tends to CFS

if I add everything up it's tends to CFS seems to happen a lot to

seems to happen a lot to athletes um but yeah I I can't put my

athletes um but yeah I I can't put my finger on it but yeah I certainly was

finger on it but yeah I certainly was still well enough you know I was as fit

still well enough you know I was as fit and as healthy as I think I'd ever been

and as healthy as I think I'd ever been you used to train hard too like cuz

you used to train hard too like cuz that's matwood mountain bike with you

that's matwood mountain bike with you guys a bunch and he said you're a

guys a bunch and he said you're a [ __ ] animal on that thing so like

[ __ ] animal on that thing so like it's not there's not a um yeah like you

it's not there's not a um yeah like you were a guy that pretty pretty hard well

were a guy that pretty pretty hard well when I trained I trained with a purpose

when I trained I trained with a purpose so I I could never train I could never

so I I could never train I could never drag myself out of bed

drag myself out of bed to be a motorcycle rider so I didn't

to be a motorcycle rider so I didn't train to be a motorcycle rider so when I

train to be a motorcycle rider so when I was cycling I trained to be a cyclist

was cycling I trained to be a cyclist when I was running I train to be a

when I was running I train to be a runner um unfortunately I had too many

runner um unfortunately I had too many injuries with my shins and things with

injuries with my shins and things with uh with running for a while there but

uh with running for a while there but cycling I I was you know a grade level

cycling I I was you know a grade level Australia um because I had very good

Australia um because I had very good train we knew where my level needed to

train we knew where my level needed to be so I pushed myself to there so I

be so I pushed myself to there so I still did gym work and everything to get

still did gym work and everything to get ready for bikes because cyclists have no

ready for bikes because cyclists have no upper body Etc yeah uh or not many of

upper body Etc yeah uh or not many of them um because you know they got to

them um because you know they got to stay nice and lightweight for the hills

stay nice and lightweight for the hills and and all that sort of stuff but

and and all that sort of stuff but generally um you know I did a bit more

generally um you know I did a bit more work in the gym than say a cyclist would

work in the gym than say a cyclist would because I needed to be ready for MotoG

because I needed to be ready for MotoG GP did a lot of core work um but then

GP did a lot of core work um but then cycling wise you know we were sort of

cycling wise you know we were sort of doing 6 700 k a week um consistently in

doing 6 700 k a week um consistently in the short period that I had to recover

the short period that I had to recover then get back up to cycling form a bit

then get back up to cycling form a bit more because during the year we would

more because during the year we would just sort of try and hold our level and

just sort of try and hold our level and then in the offseason is when I'd build

then in the offseason is when I'd build my level and then start the season

my level and then start the season strong um so yeah I used to love my

strong um so yeah I used to love my cycling and um you know something I miss

cycling and um you know something I miss I miss riding bikes I miss cycling I

I miss riding bikes I miss cycling I miss being fit I miss

miss being fit I miss training um and know I hate feeling crap

training um and know I hate feeling crap all the time so the body just constantly

all the time so the body just constantly feels like it's about to let go so I

feels like it's about to let go so I miss feeling like you know I've actually

miss feeling like you know I've actually got some muscle let it hold it together

got some muscle let it hold it together have you um have you looked into like um

have you um have you looked into like um like human grow growth hormone and like

like human grow growth hormone and like testosterone and all that sort of [ __ ]

testosterone and all that sort of [ __ ] as well is like a way to try and like

as well is like a way to try and like get the system back going I mean I

get the system back going I mean I assume you've got [ __ ] awesome

assume you've got [ __ ] awesome doctors and and have been through it but

doctors and and have been through it but I just yes feel like maybe like

I just yes feel like maybe like testosterone and [ __ ] could help for

testosterone and [ __ ] could help for that kind of stuff I'd love to say any

that kind of stuff I'd love to say any of it helps but unfortunately no you've

of it helps but unfortunately no you've just tried everything no it's not that

just tried everything no it's not that I've tried everything um but just

I've tried everything um but just nothing works it's it's stuff that

nothing works it's it's stuff that everyone's been through U with this

everyone's been through U with this illness unfortunately and no one's been

illness unfortunately and no one's been able to go yes this is how you fix it

able to go yes this is how you fix it yeah um otherwise it' be easy and you

yeah um otherwise it' be easy and you know the world wouldn't have a problem

know the world wouldn't have a problem with it um but you know we're in

with it um but you know we're in Australia's you know mecfs is in contact

Australia's you know mecfs is in contact with Europe and America and everything

with Europe and America and everything and they're all sharing information and

and they're all sharing information and and trying to work together and I've

and trying to work together and I've found things that helped me that I

found things that helped me that I thought oh you know this is this is sort

thought oh you know this is this is sort of on our way forward um with certain um

of on our way forward um with certain um fruits and minerals and this sort of

fruits and minerals and this sort of stuff but then it only goes to a certain

stuff but then it only goes to a certain point and then plateaus again the body

point and then plateaus again the body just goes yeah no it's not working

just goes yeah no it's not working anymore yeah so it's like I've become

anymore yeah so it's like I've become immune to a lot of things as well so

immune to a lot of things as well so what starts to work just stops working

what starts to work just stops working yeah um but yeah we haven't gone onto

yeah um but yeah we haven't gone onto any you know extremes or anything like

any you know extremes or anything like that um but yeah unfortunately it's just

that um but yeah unfortunately it's just sort of everything we think is going to

sort of everything we think is going to work or maybe I start to feel better it

work or maybe I start to feel better it just sort of plateaus real quick and and

just sort of plateaus real quick and and it's like back to reality we just got to

it's like back to reality we just got to accept this is what we are um eat as

accept this is what we are um eat as healthy as we can you know sometimes I'm

healthy as we can you know sometimes I'm I'm not but generally we eat really

I'm not but generally we eat really healthy and um you know it sort of helps

healthy and um you know it sort of helps me get through it mentally not getting

me get through it mentally not getting excited CU one thing that probably the

excited CU one thing that probably the hardest thing I went through in the

hardest thing I went through in the first couple of years um well first year

first couple of years um well first year year and a half I learned very quickly

year and a half I learned very quickly what worked what didn't all the rest of

what worked what didn't all the rest of it but I got sick of the ups and downs

it but I got sick of the ups and downs yeah so you start getting excited

yeah so you start getting excited thinking you're over it yep found

thinking you're over it yep found something you know you get pumped you

something you know you get pumped you get really um really really happy you

get really um really really happy you think it's you know you're on to

think it's you know you're on to something here and then it would

something here and then it would literally just crash so hard and you

literally just crash so hard and you would you'd just I'd be 3 months in bed

would you'd just I'd be 3 months in bed again and just going like why what the

again and just going like why what the hell have I done I haven't done anything

hell have I done I haven't done anything to push the body I was being really

to push the body I was being really cautious and then I would just um sink

cautious and then I would just um sink again so it was the same

again so it was the same thing again you have those good moments

thing again you have those good moments yeah yeah we might be on to something

yeah yeah we might be on to something here you know you start to get a little

here you know you start to get a little uh your hopes up and everything and then

uh your hopes up and everything and then you just crash again so it's just yeah

you just crash again so it's just yeah you I had to learn to just like even

you I had to learn to just like even when things start going good don't get

when things start going good don't get your hopes up yeah and that was the best

your hopes up yeah and that was the best thing for me mentally uh was to not get

thing for me mentally uh was to not get my hopes up as much and just ride the

my hopes up as much and just ride the wave of whatever whatever's thrown at me

wave of whatever whatever's thrown at me thrown at me yeah um not get too

thrown at me yeah um not get too frustrated with it although it does get

frustrated with it although it does get frustrating with golf when uh when I get

frustrating with golf when uh when I get tired I start getting tired through

tired I start getting tired through around I mean golf makes me tired I'm

around I mean golf makes me tired I'm sorry to all the golfers out there but

sorry to all the golfers out there but golf is not hard physically um my back's

golf is not hard physically um my back's pretty sore when I when I was fit you

pretty sore when I when I was fit you know I could freaking play from DUS Till

know I could freaking play from DUS Till Dawn sorry uh Dawn Till DUS and and you

Dawn sorry uh Dawn Till DUS and and you know barely break a sweat sort of thing

know barely break a sweat sort of thing and now it's it's like you know it's a

and now it's it's like you know it's a SLO for me out there to do 18 holes so

SLO for me out there to do 18 holes so yeah uh puts a bit of perspective for me

yeah uh puts a bit of perspective for me on where my levels are yeah but you uh

on where my levels are yeah but you uh you are good enough to buy a CRF 450 yes

you are good enough to buy a CRF 450 yes excited

excited very much so so we're going to do a uh

very much so so we're going to do a uh we're going to do a a build video which

we're going to do a a build video which I'm I'm excited about it was one of my

I'm I'm excited about it was one of my things coming into 2022 I was like well

things coming into 2022 I was like well my plan was just to build your bike and

my plan was just to build your bike and just [ __ ] take it to you be like oh I

just [ __ ] take it to you be like oh I buil you a flat bike you want R it and

buil you a flat bike you want R it and then uh and then you've you've ponied up

then uh and then you've you've ponied up you did the you did I just

you did the you did I just cramped you did the that's how much golf

cramped you did the that's how much golf took out of me today I actually felt

took out of me today I actually felt like I almost was about to cramp before

like I almost was about to cramp before I was like back on my um yeah so you

I was like back on my um yeah so you fully just did like the punter walked

fully just did like the punter walked into the dealership and they were like

into the dealership and they were like this is the last one bro and then you

this is the last one bro and then you were just like well here we go yeah they

were just like well here we go yeah they um they they're quite scarce to to come

um they they're quite scarce to to come by at the moment so I went in there to

by at the moment so I went in there to sort of see where stock is and all the

sort of see where stock is and all the rest of it and they're like we might be

rest of it and they're like we might be able to get you one so I'm like all

able to get you one so I'm like all right we'll get it um yeah it's one

right we'll get it um yeah it's one thing I've been thinking about recently

thing I've been thinking about recently because I miss riding bikes it's there's

because I miss riding bikes it's there's no lie you know I was doing a lot of

no lie you know I was doing a lot of inura riding before

inura riding before uh chronic fatigue got me and I loved it

uh chronic fatigue got me and I loved it you know I was sort of planning on going

you know I was sort of planning on going overseas and you know riding over in

overseas and you know riding over in Europe with a few of the

Europe with a few of the guys well not sburg but uh maybe

guys well not sburg but uh maybe romaniacs and things like that I thought

romaniacs and things like that I thought was always you know something

was always you know something interesting I got a couple of mates that

interesting I got a couple of mates that want to do it so I'd love to do with I

want to do it so I'd love to do with I definitely do it with you if you ever

definitely do it with you if you ever did it exactly but uh that's that's

did it exactly but uh that's that's become a very very very distant sort of

become a very very very distant sort of yeah exactly but I thought um you know I

yeah exactly but I thought um you know I got invited to a dirt track race

got invited to a dirt track race recently and and uh thought well I

recently and and uh thought well I haven't ridden dirt track since 2006 so

haven't ridden dirt track since 2006 so I'd better uh start riding some dirt

I'd better uh start riding some dirt track if I if I want to do it and

track if I if I want to do it and because it's not quite as physical uh as

because it's not quite as physical uh as Motocross or anything like that or

Motocross or anything like that or Induro you know if you if you make a

Induro you know if you if you make a little mistake uh on dirt track it's not

little mistake uh on dirt track it's not quite as critical as you know getting

quite as critical as you know getting tired and messing up a big jump or

tired and messing up a big jump or something like that hitting a tree or a

something like that hitting a tree or a route uh when you're when you're riding

route uh when you're when you're riding Jos so I thought um you know dir track's

Jos so I thought um you know dir track's a good way to get back on the bike and

a good way to get back on the bike and and still enjoy it a bit so what's the

and still enjoy it a bit so what's the what's the plan for the build so I

what's the plan for the build so I reckon uh so you've got some suspension

reckon uh so you've got some suspension there that we need to figure out if it

there that we need to figure out if it fits yep uh you want some extri clamps Y

fits yep uh you want some extri clamps Y what else are we running what what's

what else are we running what what's what's on the wish list cuz if we say it

what's on the wish list cuz if we say it on the podcast then we can just send the

on the podcast then we can just send the clips to the people that have the

clips to the people that have the products Mak it very easy for COV

products Mak it very easy for COV exhaust okay they always been very good

exhaust okay they always been very good to me and I love their work yeah um I

to me and I love their work yeah um I mean see if we can get those method race

mean see if we can get those method race wheels oh okay they're ridiculous aren't

wheels oh okay they're ridiculous aren't they they do look good they um they've

they they do look good they um they've they've come and sort of let's say

they've come and sort of let's say reinvented the wheel because um you know

reinvented the wheel because um you know everything everything's been so

everything everything's been so one-dimensional with wheels it's like oh

one-dimensional with wheels it's like oh different color hubs and wheels and

different color hubs and wheels and Spokes and stuff like that it's been

Spokes and stuff like that it's been around for years and then it's like oh

around for years and then it's like oh hang on you know this is this has

hang on you know this is this has brought some color to it you know and

brought some color to it you know and they look good on track too they did

they look good on track too they did actually I thought they might have

actually I thought they might have looked too much but they they didn't

looked too much but they they didn't look too bad and uh they've done good

look too bad and uh they've done good job so um we got the method race wheels

job so um we got the method race wheels we're we're dial with uh stickers we got

we're we're dial with uh stickers we got rival Inc is on that sweet we'll get the

rival Inc is on that sweet we'll get the seat cover sorted um you want like

seat cover sorted um you want like bigger brakes you want any of that sort

bigger brakes you want any of that sort of stuff uh I probably won't need that

of stuff uh I probably won't need that for dir track if you went super motor

for dir track if you went super motor riding you would do but um I doubt you

riding you would do but um I doubt you need too much about that I wouldn't mind

need too much about that I wouldn't mind looking into um yeah different uh

looking into um yeah different uh different caliper cuz I like to have

different caliper cuz I like to have something a little bit firmer in the

something a little bit firmer in the hand it's something that no standard um

hand it's something that no standard um break has ever given me yeah it's always

break has ever given me yeah it's always been that little bit squishy and I feel

been that little bit squishy and I feel like I have to put too much effort in to

like I have to put too much effort in to get you know a little bit out but um but

get you know a little bit out but um but yeah to be honest I mean do you want to

yeah to be honest I mean do you want to make this thing fast or do you want to

make this thing fast or do you want to make it like because I mean for dirt

make it like because I mean for dirt track you're going to have to make it a

track you're going to have to make it a little quicker than stock yeah um you

little quicker than stock yeah um you know they've generally got 20 of plenty

know they've generally got 20 of plenty of talk and all the rest of it but as

of talk and all the rest of it but as soon as you get on a little bit bigger

soon as you get on a little bit bigger track um you know you're going to need a

track um you know you're going to need a little bit more than than what they got

little bit more than than what they got um but at the same time you know it's a

um but at the same time you know it's a fairly powerful bike straight out of the

fairly powerful bike straight out of the crate so uh with the exhaust already

crate so uh with the exhaust already gives you just that little bit more

gives you just that little bit more depends if it's in the right areas for

depends if it's in the right areas for dir Tru yeah but um so my boy Jed

dir Tru yeah but um so my boy Jed Parsons we get him to do the mapping

Parsons we get him to do the mapping he's like the vortex ignition guy so

he's like the vortex ignition guy so we'll get him to do like the motor side

we'll get him to do like the motor side of it so like we're we're dialed on that

of it so like we're we're dialed on that front and I don't I don't know whether

front and I don't I don't know whether he'll want to I'll leave that up to him

he'll want to I'll leave that up to him he probably knows a bit more about

he probably knows a bit more about engines than me but the that the mapping

engines than me but the that the mapping is the biggest thing that I've found um

is the biggest thing that I've found um and that's it's a bit like that with

and that's it's a bit like that with everything every standard car bike

everything every standard car bike anything these days you get the mapping

anything these days you get the mapping done and it's it's a massive difference

done and it's it's a massive difference yeah like I rode madd's all he's got

yeah like I rode madd's all he's got this old 350 it's like a 2018 exe Y and

this old 350 it's like a 2018 exe Y and that thing's mapped and it is like just

that thing's mapped and it is like just your hand and the rear wheel it's just

your hand and the rear wheel it's just the same thing and then my 350 stock

the same thing and then my 350 stock it's a bit like like it's a little bit

it's a bit like like it's a little bit jittery and fluty um I got to say when I

jittery and fluty um I got to say when I had a 350 a while ago it was I was was

had a 350 a while ago it was I was was always struggling with it off the bottom

always struggling with it off the bottom yeah so I think it's just just mapping I

yeah so I think it's just just mapping I think it's just you like cuz it's

think it's just you like cuz it's obviously stock bolted you know it's not

obviously stock bolted you know it's not tuned for that exact motorcycle so yeah

tuned for that exact motorcycle so yeah we'll do that we'll get all the cerak

we'll do that we'll get all the cerak coing done we'll make the thing look

coing done we'll make the thing look look pretty gangster so yeah I feel like

look pretty gangster so yeah I feel like we're I feel like we're pretty pretty on

we're I feel like we're pretty pretty on and so you want to do two sets of

and so you want to do two sets of suspension so we we we got the um your

suspension so we we we got the um your shower stuff we try I'm hopefully my

shower stuff we try I'm hopefully my shower stuff fits uh it's a kit stuff uh

shower stuff fits uh it's a kit stuff uh it's it's reasonably good I'll need to

it's it's reasonably good I'll need to get the the it's just the the initial I

get the the it's just the the initial I need it to get a little bit softer

need it to get a little bit softer especially on the front yeah uh it's

especially on the front yeah uh it's really good on big hits and everything

really good on big hits and everything but the initial is just that little bit

but the initial is just that little bit scattery whenever you're on hard pack

scattery whenever you're on hard pack it's just a bit too much so yeah um

it's just a bit too much so yeah um something that when yeah we are riding a

something that when yeah we are riding a little bit off-road the rest of it it'll

little bit off-road the rest of it it'll still be all right but uh I'm hoping I

still be all right but uh I'm hoping I think the forks will fit but it's the

think the forks will fit but it's the length because the new um CRF I think

length because the new um CRF I think they've gone a little longer travel but

they've gone a little longer travel but I'm not sure if it's a longer Fork

I'm not sure if it's a longer Fork geometry or Fork yeah so yeah we'll have

geometry or Fork yeah so yeah we'll have to see um and then see if the rear shock

to see um and then see if the rear shock fits basically I'm struggling to find

fits basically I'm struggling to find fitment wise yeah um if it's going to

fitment wise yeah um if it's going to fit but it should do I don't think

fit but it should do I don't think they've changed much since then

they've changed much since then hopefully it's got the length and

hopefully it's got the length and everything's right and then um I've got

everything's right and then um I've got the suspension off-road wise and then

the suspension off-road wise and then dirt track will just drop it a little

dirt track will just drop it a little bit uh firm it up a little and then um

bit uh firm it up a little and then um yeah it should be right we'll go from

yeah it should be right we'll go from there and start testing I cannot wait to

there and start testing I cannot wait to go ride a flat truck with you I'm

go ride a flat truck with you I'm literally going to make my through 350 a

literally going to make my through 350 a flat track bike just so I can come and

flat track bike just so I can come and do it with you but you said the the

do it with you but you said the the other week when we were playing golf

other week when we were playing golf that dirt track's the only thing you

that dirt track's the only thing you were ever really good at please

were ever really good at please explain um well dir track is why I ended

explain um well dir track is why I ended up good at at you know motor GP bigger

up good at at you know motor GP bigger bike more power I was always very good

bike more power I was always very good at finding grip and thinking outside the

at finding grip and thinking outside the box and and riding you know where other

box and and riding you know where other people weren't um people were sort of

people weren't um people were sort of stuck on that inside line and I'd be out

stuck on that inside line and I'd be out in dirt finding finding grip and

in dirt finding finding grip and literally going around the outside and

literally going around the outside and and um and going so um through my whole

and um and going so um through my whole dirt track career I'd say uh I was

dirt track career I'd say uh I was trying to think of it the other night um

trying to think of it the other night um I got

I got 401 Australian titles probably out of a

401 Australian titles probably out of a possible 45 or 40 No 41 Aussie titles

possible 45 or 40 No 41 Aussie titles out of a possible 45 or 46

out of a possible 45 or 46 maximum um so I lost one two 3 I would

maximum um so I lost one two 3 I would have maximum lost four Australian titles

have maximum lost four Australian titles I believe uh in my whole career uh and

I believe uh in my whole career uh and they were normally second places so uh

they were normally second places so uh it was always a disappointment I was it

it was always a disappointment I was it was a bad day when I lost basically when

was a bad day when I lost basically when I was growing up and um as much as you

I was growing up and um as much as you know I had a lot of good competitors

know I had a lot of good competitors they sort of changed year by year um

they sort of changed year by year um there's a few of them that stayed

there's a few of them that stayed through most of my junior career and as

through most of my junior career and as I got into the the biggest stuff I got

I got into the the biggest stuff I got some different competitors um they were

some different competitors um they were still on dirt track and I was sort of

still on dirt track and I was sort of starting to separate and start to do a

starting to separate and start to do a lot more road racing so didn't do many

lot more road racing so didn't do many events um so yeah it was actually my

events um so yeah it was actually my last year I think I lost two of those

last year I think I lost two of those Aussie dirt track championships just cuz

Aussie dirt track championships just cuz we weren't focused on it one of them I

we weren't focused on it one of them I was riding somebody else's bike um

was riding somebody else's bike um because we didn't have one for that for

because we didn't have one for that for that championship and then um yeah we

that championship and then um yeah we were just focused on road racing and and

were just focused on road racing and and riding the Marowak 80 on dirt track

riding the Marowak 80 on dirt track before we left Australia and so how does

before we left Australia and so how does the transition work from dirt track to

the transition work from dirt track to to road racing like cuz it's just not

to road racing like cuz it's just not really like a an Avenue professionally

really like a an Avenue professionally for dirt track in the same sense like I

for dirt track in the same sense like I mean obviously Moto GP is like the

mean obviously Moto GP is like the Pinnacle of two whe racing but like

Pinnacle of two whe racing but like what's the point where you guys are like

what's the point where you guys are like okay you're really good at dirt track

okay you're really good at dirt track let's see if we can apply this to road

let's see if we can apply this to road racing cuz obviously there's a crazy

racing cuz obviously there's a crazy career path there so I believe dirt

career path there so I believe dirt track and road racing sort of have quite

track and road racing sort of have quite a lot of parallels especially when you

a lot of parallels especially when you get up to the bigger class with smaller

get up to the bigger class with smaller class is not so much but as soon as you

class is not so much but as soon as you start to slide and have power and and

start to slide and have power and and things like that then dirt track's huge

things like that then dirt track's huge because it's all about finding grip

because it's all about finding grip everything in dirt track is just you've

everything in dirt track is just you've got to find more grip than anybody else

got to find more grip than anybody else um and in road racing it's the same kind

um and in road racing it's the same kind of thing you're okay with the thing

of thing you're okay with the thing sliding but at the same time people

sliding but at the same time people think dirt trackers just slide dirt

think dirt trackers just slide dirt track is about finding grip so with road

track is about finding grip so with road racing the more grip you find the better

racing the more grip you find the better you are the faster you are you know

you are the faster you are you know generally better on tires all those sort

generally better on tires all those sort of things then you've got the aspect

of things then you've got the aspect that in dirt track you need to put

that in dirt track you need to put together the fastest line throughout the

together the fastest line throughout the track now that sounds like common sense

track now that sounds like common sense you know got to find the fastest line

you know got to find the fastest line everywhere um but it means you're

everywhere um but it means you're putting Corners together so to be better

putting Corners together so to be better than everybody else it's not just about

than everybody else it's not just about sticking on the inside there inside

sticking on the inside there inside there inside there you've got to make

there inside there you've got to make these Corners flow now sometimes it is

these Corners flow now sometimes it is out wide in tight sometimes it's just

out wide in tight sometimes it's just staying wide the whole time you've got

staying wide the whole time you've got to find the fastest most uh flowing sort

to find the fastest most uh flowing sort of way because in dirt track you kind of

of way because in dirt track you kind of can't you know stop the bike up and

can't you know stop the bike up and drive it out you can to a certain degree

drive it out you can to a certain degree but you also have to carry some speed um

but you also have to carry some speed um because the slower you go and the more

because the slower you go and the more you have to get that thing to to find

you have to get that thing to to find traction it's the harder it is to find

traction it's the harder it is to find grip the the bit more momentum you've

grip the the bit more momentum you've got the easier it is to track the

got the easier it is to track the forward and find grip um so there's so

forward and find grip um so there's so many elements between dirt track and and

many elements between dirt track and and everything and dirt track is a little

everything and dirt track is a little bit faster of course than

bit faster of course than Motocross um so the speed aspect you

Motocross um so the speed aspect you know you sliding towards walls and all

know you sliding towards walls and all this sort of thing in dirt track and you

this sort of thing in dirt track and you know you get over the fear aspect you

know you get over the fear aspect you know you've got this thing that's trying

know you've got this thing that's trying to hook up and trying to Buck you and

to hook up and trying to Buck you and everything and you're getting towards

everything and you're getting towards the wall but you still just got to hold

the wall but you still just got to hold it open um there's a lot of aspects

it open um there's a lot of aspects between road racing and dirt track that

between road racing and dirt track that can really help you along the way uh

can really help you along the way uh overcoming fear the bike moving around

overcoming fear the bike moving around um traction and then piecing together a

um traction and then piecing together a track so it's um you know is there is a

track so it's um you know is there is a lot of similarities here the um the fear

lot of similarities here the um the fear thing I wanted to actually come back to

thing I wanted to actually come back to that um

that um because to not be the the guy that's

because to not be the the guy that's just like cuz man right in that light

just like cuz man right in that light with Jack was [ __ ] out of control

with Jack was [ __ ] out of control like that it was that was no joke like I

like that it was that was no joke like I just pretty much let go of like it just

just pretty much let go of like it just whatever happened happened like it was

whatever happened happened like it was that [ __ ] scary I will not at the

that [ __ ] scary I will not at the point it's like hey if we crash we crash

point it's like hey if we crash we crash now honestly I was just like and Jack

now honestly I was just like and Jack looks back and was like I'm fully

looks back and was like I'm fully prepared to crash right now like like

prepared to crash right now like like right as we're doing the lap and uh yeah

right as we're doing the lap and uh yeah that's where I'd tap out bro it was mind

that's where I'd tap out bro it was mind bending like I've done a lot in my life

bending like I've done a lot in my life I've flown in like crazy helicopters

I've flown in like crazy helicopters I've done V8 laps like I've ridden a

I've done V8 laps like I've ridden a bunch of U Motocross I've done my own

bunch of U Motocross I've done my own Road riding stuff like I've been scared

Road riding stuff like I've been scared before never that much that was that was

before never that much that was that was scared to the point of giving up on

scared to the point of giving up on being scared like it was so gnarly there

being scared like it was so gnarly there was

was like I mean I've spoke about it a few

like I mean I've spoke about it a few times but I haven't actually like got a

times but I haven't actually like got a chance to like really dive in with it

chance to like really dive in with it but like the way that I think about it

but like the way that I think about it is that I actually got shown a

is that I actually got shown a completely different level of reality

completely different level of reality that I just like don't have access to

that I just like don't have access to like I went and Road a track day only a

like I went and Road a track day only a couple of weeks ago it's just not like

couple of weeks ago it's just not like there's no that feeling you know how I

there's no that feeling you know how I said everyone's got the same feeling no

said everyone's got the same feeling no what I felt on the back of that bike was

what I felt on the back of that bike was just something completely different and

just something completely different and fear completely left me for the first

fear completely left me for the first time in my life because I give up on it

time in my life because I give up on it like basically you lost hope almost yeah

like basically you lost hope almost yeah I was just and I fully just it was

I was just and I fully just it was whatever was going to happen was going

whatever was going to happen was going to happen and I just was like I need to

to happen and I just was like I need to just let go of this and just enjoy it

just let go of this and just enjoy it because that's kind of all I've got here

because that's kind of all I've got here actually I I was thinking about it like

actually I I was thinking about it like I didn't want to let fear ruin the

I didn't want to let fear ruin the experience that I was having because I

experience that I was having because I was having the experience no matter what

was having the experience no matter what there was no way I was getting off the

there was no way I was getting off the thing like I I couldn't we were going

thing like I I couldn't we were going [ __ ] 200 40 km an hour through a turn

[ __ ] 200 40 km an hour through a turn but I I don't get

but I I don't get how like the level of commitment that

how like the level of commitment that Jack had in those turns and I was on the

Jack had in those turns and I was on the back so like he's going faster again

back so like he's going faster again when I'm not on the bike for sure but

when I'm not on the bike for sure but it's like the level of commitment that

it's like the level of commitment that he had to just go in and throw that bike

he had to just go in and throw that bike in the way that he was and like some of

in the way that he was and like some of the [ __ ] was I was like oh we're [ __ ]

the [ __ ] was I was like oh we're [ __ ] crashing like just the the way probably

crashing like just the the way probably thinking the same thing though he did

thinking the same thing though he did tell me that after the fact probably

tell me that after the fact probably like yeah yeah we were pretty much gone

like yeah yeah we were pretty much gone I don't know how it stayed up yeah that

I don't know how it stayed up yeah that was most of the two laps that we did but

was most of the two laps that we did but um but yeah so there is some really

um but yeah so there is some really crazy [ __ ] fear wise that like and I

crazy [ __ ] fear wise that like and I actually wish I kind of dove into a

actually wish I kind of dove into a little bit more with Danny he actually

little bit more with Danny he actually said something pretty cool that I sort

said something pretty cool that I sort of didn't hear it the way that I heard

of didn't hear it the way that I heard it once I listened back to it where he

it once I listened back to it where he said that um he he goes do you think

said that um he he goes do you think that you spend so much time doing it

that you spend so much time doing it when you're young that you learn to the

when you're young that you learn to the fear goes out of the picture because you

fear goes out of the picture because you don't really know what fear is yet and

don't really know what fear is yet and it's later in life when you learn what

it's later in life when you learn what fear is that you've already figured out

fear is that you've already figured out the process to kind of overcome it in a

the process to kind of overcome it in a sense but it's like some of the crashes

sense but it's like some of the crashes you had early in your career would

you had early in your career would [ __ ] gnarly dude like there's one I

[ __ ] gnarly dude like there's one I can't remember what the the camera angle

can't remember what the the camera angle they show on TV is basically you might

they show on TV is basically you might have been like third or fourth I think

have been like third or fourth I think Valley was in front coming over a a sort

Valley was in front coming over a a sort of downhill right-hander and you

of downhill right-hander and you couldn't see the track back here cuz of

couldn't see the track back here cuz of the crest

the crest that your [ __ ] thing just was cwh

that your [ __ ] thing just was cwh yeah my bike was gone wasn't actually as

yeah my bike was gone wasn't actually as bad a crash as it looked just cuz the

bad a crash as it looked just cuz the bike came into view doing that it's like

bike came into view doing that it's like oh that's a big one it was like I just

oh that's a big one it was like I just lost the front end but there was some

lost the front end but there was some really big crashes and to be a guy that

really big crashes and to be a guy that you're like you're saying like I I'm not

you're like you're saying like I I'm not that sended guy I was scared to first of

that sended guy I was scared to first of all to commit to it and to do it in the

all to commit to it and to do it in the first place is [ __ ] gnarly and second

first place is [ __ ] gnarly and second of all to have those kind of crashes and

of all to have those kind of crashes and then get back and keep racing and keep

then get back and keep racing and keep like that is something that is glossed

like that is something that is glossed over by people cuz I don't understand

over by people cuz I don't understand it it's that whole uh thing again you

it it's that whole uh thing again you just tell yourself you have to you have

just tell yourself you have to you have to it's just it's not that you don't

to it's just it's not that you don't want to you just have to uh it's the

want to you just have to uh it's the same thing in the wet that you know if

same thing in the wet that you know if you're not going fast enough you know

you're not going fast enough you know you're going to lose Championship points

you're going to lose Championship points and everything to you your peers around

and everything to you your peers around you and you you can't be teaching around

you and you you can't be teaching around 2 seconds off the pace um even if you

2 seconds off the pace um even if you are P5 P6 you know your competitors that

are P5 P6 you know your competitors that you're racing championship for a P1 P2

you're racing championship for a P1 P2 it's like well clearly you can go faster

it's like well clearly you can go faster you just have to make it happen so

you just have to make it happen so sometimes it's it's not in the bike it's

sometimes it's it's not in the bike it's not in the setup you need to make it

not in the setup you need to make it happen it's not just pushing there

happen it's not just pushing there there's ways around it U but sometimes

there's ways around it U but sometimes it is just sucking it up breaking that

it is just sucking it up breaking that bit later committing to the corner um

bit later committing to the corner um because I believe you can't make setup

because I believe you can't make setup changes until you get close to the not

changes until you get close to the not close to the Limit but it needs to be in

close to the Limit but it needs to be in an area in a Zone otherwise people that

an area in a Zone otherwise people that are so far off the back and that's why I

are so far off the back and that's why I don't believe in test Riders when

don't believe in test Riders when they're making changes and everything

they're making changes and everything based on test Riders opinions that are 4

based on test Riders opinions that are 4 seconds off the pace yeah I'm sorry what

seconds off the pace yeah I'm sorry what yeah we ain't doing the same thing yeah

yeah we ain't doing the same thing yeah we're not we're not in the same Zone

we're not we're not in the same Zone mate I could not give Jack a setting as

mate I could not give Jack a setting as much as I joke about it I could not give

much as I joke about it I could not give Jack you can't be remotely close to

Jack you can't be remotely close to giving us a setting so um that's why

giving us a setting so um that's why it's now become a trend of you know Moto

it's now become a trend of you know Moto GP Riders since I became a test rider

GP Riders since I became a test rider then all of a sudden other motor GP

then all of a sudden other motor GP Riders are like oh I can become a test

Riders are like oh I can become a test rider after I retire um but there's not

rider after I retire um but there's not a lot of Moto GP races that'll actually

a lot of Moto GP races that'll actually commit even when they're testing um it's

commit even when they're testing um it's a hard thing to go and commit and push

a hard thing to go and commit and push and find the limits of bike that you're

and find the limits of bike that you're not racing for a result you know it's

not racing for a result you know it's not an easy thing to do um so I don't

not an easy thing to do um so I don't believe a lot of them would actually do

believe a lot of them would actually do it they'll end up being you know so many

it they'll end up being you know so many seconds off the pace and and then um you

seconds off the pace and and then um you know giving the best information because

know giving the best information because they're still better than anybody else

they're still better than anybody else to uh give the information but it's hard

to uh give the information but it's hard to give them you know real stuff but you

to give them you know real stuff but you just have to push past that fear Point

just have to push past that fear Point there's just a point where you just got

there's just a point where you just got to go and do it it's a bit like you're

to go and do it it's a bit like you're racing subcross there's a big triple or

racing subcross there's a big triple or a quad that people are doing you just

a quad that people are doing you just got to go and pull the trigger and make

got to go and pull the trigger and make it up and if you don't you're not

it up and if you don't you're not winning MH and it's just you know

winning MH and it's just you know there's there's fear there there's

there's there's fear there there's massive amounts of fear and you just

massive amounts of fear and you just need to overcome it um you know it's

need to overcome it um you know it's sort of like that whole win or bus

sort of like that whole win or bus you've either got to do it or crash or

you've either got to do it or crash or crash trying to do it and um you know

crash trying to do it and um you know one of the two and get through it what

one of the two and get through it what does it feel like when you do push past

does it feel like when you do push past that fear and it goes away because that

that fear and it goes away because that that was probably the weirdest part

that was probably the weirdest part of that experience with Jack was as like

of that experience with Jack was as like I did just drop it I just stopped being

I did just drop it I just stopped being scared because there was not much else I

scared because there was not much else I could do about it you know so it's like

could do about it you know so it's like is that a relatable feeling in a way to

is that a relatable feeling in a way to where like you drop it or is it just

where like you drop it or is it just there the whole time and you're pushing

there the whole time and you're pushing through it the whole time um it's there

through it the whole time um it's there the whole time you're pushing through it

the whole time you're pushing through it but not to the same degree um like I

but not to the same degree um like I said I always go back to wet weather

said I always go back to wet weather track referencing because you're not

track referencing because you're not getting a feedback you're not getting a

getting a feedback you're not getting a feel heing um in the dry you can't just

feel heing um in the dry you can't just break a bit later and Chuck it in and

break a bit later and Chuck it in and make it work but in the wet when you

make it work but in the wet when you know your setting's not too far off the

know your setting's not too far off the rest of it's just you um and you've just

rest of it's just you um and you've just got to get more out of the bike and

got to get more out of the bike and yourself so getting past that point it's

yourself so getting past that point it's not like a big

not like a big relief um it's not this amazing feeling

relief um it's not this amazing feeling it's more like why didn't you do that

it's more like why didn't you do that earlier yeah what you're pissing about

earlier yeah what you're pissing about at for the first sessions you know and

at for the first sessions you know and and not uh and not making it happen so

and not uh and not making it happen so it's uh not this you know euphoric

it's uh not this you know euphoric moment or anything it's just right now I

moment or anything it's just right now I can get to work yeah and start fine

can get to work yeah and start fine cheering the bike and you know get on

cheering the bike and you know get on with it and so one thing that really

with it and so one thing that really interests me uh in this like whole

interests me uh in this like whole picture is the relationship that

picture is the relationship that somebody like you would have with the

somebody like you would have with the voice in your head and like do you have

voice in your head and like do you have those moments where you hear like that

those moments where you hear like that classic like Flow State where

classic like Flow State where everything's silent I can't hear the

everything's silent I can't hear the crowd I can like the only information

crowd I can like the only information that you're processing is like Vital

that you're processing is like Vital Information it's like that internal gyro

Information it's like that internal gyro that you're feeling it's like can you

that you're feeling it's like can you feel you know like you hear the stories

feel you know like you hear the stories of Ricky karmar could could feel Pebbles

of Ricky karmar could could feel Pebbles on his front front tires like can you

on his front front tires like can you relate to the experience of that

relate to the experience of that internal conversation with yourself just

internal conversation with yourself just completely dropping away and just being

completely dropping away and just being so close to the

so close to the the moment that you don't feel any

the moment that you don't feel any different from it if that makes sense um

different from it if that makes sense um I don't think I ever got to that point

um yeah kind of hard to explain I I never got to that sort of Flow State

never got to that sort of Flow State there would I would force myself into

there would I would force myself into those States in terms of I would shut

those States in terms of I would shut everything out um so it was just between

everything out um so it was just between me and my thoughts uh rather than

me and my thoughts uh rather than anything else but that was normally in

anything else but that was normally in the pits when I was thinking about

the pits when I was thinking about things and there's crap going on

things and there's crap going on everywhere and mechanics bikes changing

everywhere and mechanics bikes changing um cameras in your face all that sort of

um cameras in your face all that sort of stuff and then I could just literally

stuff and then I could just literally switch off and think about where I need

switch off and think about where I need to improve or uh I found those sort of

to improve or uh I found those sort of States when I was mentally going through

States when I was mentally going through corner by Corner what I was feeling on

corner by Corner what I was feeling on the bike and then um maybe give a little

the bike and then um maybe give a little bit more information like looking for

bit more information like looking for more that uh I could almost picture what

more that uh I could almost picture what I was doing through the what the bike

I was doing through the what the bike was doing and what I didn't like

was doing and what I didn't like something that I'd forgotten to relay to

something that I'd forgotten to relay to the to the chief mechanic and then I'd

the to the chief mechanic and then I'd be like oh yes I do remember that

be like oh yes I do remember that happening now so go back tell him about

happening now so go back tell him about this and that they could go see it on

this and that they could go see it on the data yeah yeah yeah we bottomed out

the data yeah yeah yeah we bottomed out there okay so now we found the problem

there okay so now we found the problem put a little bit more the spring in it

put a little bit more the spring in it put a bit more oil hold it up a little

put a bit more oil hold it up a little higher in the stroke and then we fix

higher in the stroke and then we fix that problem so um yeah there was lots

that problem so um yeah there was lots of things like that where I could sort

of things like that where I could sort of switch off but I never got into like

of switch off but I never got into like a flow state for me I was always present

a flow state for me I was always present really and so you were always like like

really and so you were always like like essentially cuz that is the the that

essentially cuz that is the the that flow state is no thinking like no

flow state is no thinking like no thoughts no internal dialogue there's no

thoughts no internal dialogue there's no conversation with yourself and I mean I

conversation with yourself and I mean I relate it to like the place where I feel

relate it to like the place where I feel that the most is like jiujitsu like

that the most is like jiujitsu like there's nothing like I have I'm gone

there's nothing like I have I'm gone completely gone I think that's why I

completely gone I think that's why I love it so much it's cuz I can just go

love it so much it's cuz I can just go there and just be out and I mean I think

there and just be out and I mean I think a lot of people have that a lot of

a lot of people have that a lot of people get that with writing a lot

people get that with writing a lot people get that with um you know

people get that with um you know watching TV like it just the the self-

watching TV like it just the the self- referencing stops like you're looking

referencing stops like you're looking like right now I'm looking out into the

like right now I'm looking out into the world at you and I know you're looking

world at you and I know you're looking back at at me like I know I'm here and

back at at me like I know I'm here and I'm in this picture and it's it's very

I'm in this picture and it's it's very obvious inate right now yeah it's very

obvious inate right now yeah it's very obvious I'm here the entire

obvious I'm here the entire time but it's like you can get into

time but it's like you can get into those moments like you know for me the

those moments like you know for me the the easiest one is Jiu-Jitsu and it's

the easiest one is Jiu-Jitsu and it's like I'm not there like I'm I'm there

like I'm not there like I'm I'm there but I'm not in that sense and then when

but I'm not in that sense and then when I'm done like once it's over then I I

I'm done like once it's over then I I literally like feel myself come back and

literally like feel myself come back and it seems honestly crazy to me that

it seems honestly crazy to me that that's not an experience that you would

that's not an experience that you would have had while writing and doing the

have had while writing and doing the Because you think about um mountain

Because you think about um mountain bikes is another place where I get it

bikes is another place where I get it especially like the the hard of the

especially like the the hard of the track the more I'm there and it's called

track the more I'm there and it's called the like the technical term for it would

the like the technical term for it would be called like absorb flow so you're so

be called like absorb flow so you're so there's so much going on that

there's so much going on that essentially it's like unnecessary think

essentially it's like unnecessary think it all comes together that hazes for you

it all comes together that hazes for you basically it's it's not

basically it's it's not um it's sort of more of a haze that than

um it's sort of more of a haze that than um actually you know being in the moment

um actually you know being in the moment and completely understanding every

and completely understanding every little bit that goes on you know by the

little bit that goes on you know by the sound of it even with um Jiu-Jitsu it's

sound of it even with um Jiu-Jitsu it's sort of you go in and it's just a state

sort of you go in and it's just a state of you know you're in that moment but

of you know you're in that moment but it's it's sort of almost hazy and

it's it's sort of almost hazy and everything around you um not registering

everything around you um not registering at all it's just what you're sort of

at all it's just what you're sort of focused on um and yeah mountain bike and

focused on um and yeah mountain bike and I suppose would be a good example but

I suppose would be a good example but yeah for me I've never been able to get

yeah for me I've never been able to get to that kind of State for me I see

to that kind of State for me I see everything I hear everything um I notice

everything I hear everything um I notice everything every Little Rock and tree

everything every Little Rock and tree route and all this sort of stuff when

route and all this sort of stuff when I'm going down the hill it never ends up

I'm going down the hill it never ends up just a blur to me um or in a state I'm

just a blur to me um or in a state I'm just seeing every little thing and it's

just seeing every little thing and it's something I've had to try and switch off

something I've had to try and switch off yeah um because it keeps my brain going

yeah um because it keeps my brain going too much I was always looking at every

too much I was always looking at every detail and I would see scenario some

detail and I would see scenario some driving on the highway yeah U I would

driving on the highway yeah U I would see scenarios I would watch Cars and

see scenarios I would watch Cars and they're not paying attention and that

they're not paying attention and that happens what if that happens what would

happens what if that happens what would I do just constantly the M was just

I do just constantly the M was just going um in that sort of way so yeah

going um in that sort of way so yeah having to to sort of back off like even

having to to sort of back off like even I remember in so many races especially

I remember in so many races especially when I had big screens to to watch on

when I had big screens to to watch on the track I'm pulling away at the front

the track I'm pulling away at the front and you know it's it's coming easy to me

and you know it's it's coming easy to me that day you know we're talking about

that day you know we're talking about those ones that are coming easy um and

those ones that are coming easy um and you're watching the big screen cuz that

you're watching the big screen cuz that lets me know what's going on behind me

lets me know what's going on behind me you know pitboard you only see once a

you know pitboard you only see once a lap but you know big screens I can see

lap but you know big screens I can see three or four or five of them around

three or four or five of them around around the thing and I'm watching the

around the thing and I'm watching the race and going through the corners and

race and going through the corners and then um basically you know I had to try

then um basically you know I had to try and keep myself a little bit present

and keep myself a little bit present sometimes because you know I'd be

sometimes because you know I'd be starting to thinking what we going to

starting to thinking what we going to have for dinner tonight you know and um

have for dinner tonight you know and um having to keep myself so then I started

having to keep myself so then I started to go corner by corner

to go corner by corner and just focusing on every aspect of my

and just focusing on every aspect of my breaking and you know doing it all bit

breaking and you know doing it all bit by bit so I've never been able to go

by bit so I've never been able to go into any kind of you know sort of

into any kind of you know sort of ignoring State unless I'm thinking about

ignoring State unless I'm thinking about um like I said what was happening on

um like I said what was happening on track if I could go back and think about

track if I could go back and think about say if I went on a mountain bike trail

say if I went on a mountain bike trail and went from the top to the bottom at

and went from the top to the bottom at the bottom I could sort of stop and if I

the bottom I could sort of stop and if I had to download that trail I could go

had to download that trail I could go through it and remember everything that

through it and remember everything that I did and saw and hit and all the rest

I did and saw and hit and all the rest of it then I could sort of block

of it then I could sort of block everything else out um but yeah I've

everything else out um but yeah I've never been able to get in a sort of a

never been able to get in a sort of a flow State I was always quite present

flow State I was always quite present that that seems crazy with everything

that that seems crazy with everything that because I guess like the the

that because I guess like the the mountain bling version of it and that

mountain bling version of it and that like absorbed flow is

like absorbed flow is basically that the risk is so high of

basically that the risk is so high of going anything going wrong that it is

going anything going wrong that it is just like absorbing all of your

just like absorbing all of your available like attention band

available like attention band to where like you can't it your brain

to where like you can't it your brain shouldn't let you drift off and like

shouldn't let you drift off and like watch the big screen and think about you

watch the big screen and think about you know think about what you're going to

know think about what you're going to have for for dinner so like it seems

have for for dinner so like it seems crazy that at the speeds that that

crazy that at the speeds that that you're going and the level of commitment

you're going and the level of commitment that was required to just like you guys

that was required to just like you guys are [ __ ] throwing the bike into turns

are [ __ ] throwing the bike into turns like it is it kind of flows sometimes

like it is it kind of flows sometimes when the bike's turn and everything's

when the bike's turn and everything's working but the drop like the drop from

working but the drop like the drop from here to there and then to like it's

here to there and then to like it's that's a lot of like a lot going on you

that's a lot of like a lot going on you know yeah but when you you know your

know yeah but when you you know your breaking points bikes working well and

breaking points bikes working well and you know sometimes the weekends they

you know sometimes the weekends they don't come to you well um you got to you

don't come to you well um you got to you got to make them come to you and you

got to make them come to you and you know it's a lot harder and then other

know it's a lot harder and then other weekends when everything's just gone

weekends when everything's just gone right and um you know the bike's been

right and um you know the bike's been working well every every step you've

working well every every step you've made's been in the right direction and

made's been in the right direction and then you get out front and it's just

then you get out front and it's just like man this is easy the thing I've got

like man this is easy the thing I've got grip today I'm just dis appearing off

grip today I'm just dis appearing off into the distance and it's um without

into the distance and it's um without difficulty so those are the days you

difficulty so those are the days you know often didn't like seeing other

know often didn't like seeing other Riders have cuz see them going off in

Riders have cuz see them going off in the distance and you going now I can't

the distance and you going now I can't do anything about it today um so I was

do anything about it today um so I was never that guy that would just push

never that guy that would just push harder to stay with them and fight with

harder to stay with them and fight with them and all that sort of stuff it was

them and all that sort of stuff it was just like I've got to I've got to take

just like I've got to I've got to take what I can't get today and and try and

what I can't get today and and try and do the best I can and so with like the

do the best I can and so with like the physical speed element of it like how

physical speed element of it like how did you did you just get used to like do

did you did you just get used to like do you think that the brain just gets used

you think that the brain just gets used to the speed do you think it's something

to the speed do you think it's something where yeah like just purely repetition

where yeah like just purely repetition or do you think that you can just

or do you think that you can just intellectualize the speed to where it

intellectualize the speed to where it just makes sense that you can go that

just makes sense that you can go that fast like how do you think that the

fast like how do you think that the relationship is between like your the

relationship is between like your the human brain and like going that fast cuz

human brain and like going that fast cuz we're not supposed to go that fast it's

we're not supposed to go that fast it's true um for me it comes back a little

true um for me it comes back a little bit to that gyro again um um I always

bit to that gyro again um um I always felt that I was quite good at adapting

felt that I was quite good at adapting to different speeds and I I'll get to

to different speeds and I I'll get to where I was going with that after but um

where I was going with that after but um it definitely takes a little bit to get

it definitely takes a little bit to get used to um for me it always took

used to um for me it always took generally one one exit uh at the start

generally one one exit uh at the start of each year but especially when I

of each year but especially when I hadn't tested for years and then I came

hadn't tested for years and then I came out and did a test with jat like you

out and did a test with jat like you come out of turn three in in seang and

come out of turn three in in seang and then head up to turn four which you

then head up to turn four which you start getting on it and then you go oh

start getting on it and then you go oh crap you know I don't know if I can do

crap you know I don't know if I can do this anymore Fireball start Shing yeah

this anymore Fireball start Shing yeah it's you forget how freaking powerful

it's you forget how freaking powerful they are and then you go into turn four

they are and then you go into turn four and forget about carbon brakes and they

and forget about carbon brakes and they don't work until they work and then all

don't work until they work and then all of a sudden you you're trying to stop

of a sudden you you're trying to stop going over the front um but what I felt

going over the front um but what I felt I was quite good at was adapting to

I was quite good at was adapting to different speeds so I was I was never

different speeds so I was I was never the guy like wh ha just go break hit his

the guy like wh ha just go break hit his Mark hit his Mark hit his Mark hit his

Mark hit his Mark hit his Mark hit his Mark for me I was always I was saying I

Mark for me I was always I was saying I was on that edge that's why my bike was

was on that edge that's why my bike was moving I was on that edge of grip uh

moving I was on that edge of grip uh everything like that so sometimes that

everything like that so sometimes that edge would slip me a little bit sideways

edge would slip me a little bit sideways going into a corner and I'd miss my Apex

going into a corner and I'd miss my Apex by a bit so I'd bring it back around

by a bit so I'd bring it back around further and try and use that as a

further and try and use that as a benefit to pick it up drive it out of

benefit to pick it up drive it out of the corner and and get more speed down

the corner and and get more speed down the straight so a loss a little here try

the straight so a loss a little here try and gain a little bit back there and but

and gain a little bit back there and but when you're doing things like that

when you're doing things like that you're changing your speed at the end of

you're changing your speed at the end of the straight so you hit your same

the straight so you hit your same Breaking Point you're going to miss your

Breaking Point you're going to miss your your corner yeah right so yours your

your corner yeah right so yours your points were always more ad

points were always more ad so my points are always more adaptive so

so my points are always more adaptive so it wasn't that I wasn't inconsistent you

it wasn't that I wasn't inconsistent you know I could go out and throw down 20

know I could go out and throw down 20 laps within a tenth um but then

laps within a tenth um but then sometimes little mistakes and when you

sometimes little mistakes and when you correct those mistakes you're either

correct those mistakes you're either going into that corner slower or you're

going into that corner slower or you're going into that corner faster now when

going into that corner faster now when you go into qualifying you got heat more

you go into qualifying you got heat more grip you're going to be arriving to

grip you're going to be arriving to those Corners quicker I was quite good

those Corners quicker I was quite good at adapting to those points so I could

at adapting to those points so I could break that bit later knowing that I've

break that bit later knowing that I've I'm going there quicker but I could

I'm going there quicker but I could break it that right point where I knew I

break it that right point where I knew I had the grip to stop

had the grip to stop um I would adapt to those situations

um I would adapt to those situations quickly and same thing uh if I made a

quickly and same thing uh if I made a mistake ran wide and came out of a

mistake ran wide and came out of a corner slower I knew I could break a

corner slower I knew I could break a little bit later so it's just judging

little bit later so it's just judging and adapting your distances so that

and adapting your distances so that you're basically hitting the same uh

you're basically hitting the same uh point and you know not running wide on

point and you know not running wide on the next corner or breaking too early

the next corner or breaking too early where you're losing another couple of

where you're losing another couple of tents uh it's that easy you you lose two

tents uh it's that easy you you lose two tents on one corner by running wide you

tents on one corner by running wide you can lose 210 under the breaking point

can lose 210 under the breaking point there there's nearly half second yeah

there there's nearly half second yeah it's that easy to lose that much time so

it's that easy to lose that much time so adapting and keeping yourself adapting

adapting and keeping yourself adapting is is quite hard and it's why you see so

is is quite hard and it's why you see so many guys running wide these days all

many guys running wide these days all they do is just break light break late

they do is just break light break late late late and then that little tiny

late late and then that little tiny mistake and then CH them around the

mistake and then CH them around the whole track exactly so and so what were

whole track exactly so and so what were you going to say about the the that

you going to say about the the that internal kind of Gyro that's what I was

internal kind of Gyro that's what I was talking about is that internal gyro

talking about is that internal gyro is where the speed and exactly yeah

is where the speed and exactly yeah right understanding when the tires are

right understanding when the tires are new uh where the extra grip comes from

new uh where the extra grip comes from how much later or earlier have to break

how much later or earlier have to break um all those sort of things like me

um all those sort of things like me internal gyro was always quite good at

internal gyro was always quite good at giving me that feedback uh of how much

giving me that feedback uh of how much more I could push it sort of thing

more I could push it sort of thing adapting quickly how do you feel it like

adapting quickly how do you feel it like in terms of to say that you've got like

in terms of to say that you've got like this internal gyro like how does that

this internal gyro like how does that let's say like you you're labeling a

let's say like you you're labeling a feeling right so anxiety is you labeling

feeling right so anxiety is you labeling a feeling mhm so you could explain to me

a feeling mhm so you could explain to me how anxiety presents itself in your body

how anxiety presents itself in your body yep how does the gyro present itself in

yep how does the gyro present itself in your body like how do you feel it and

your body like how do you feel it and listen to that because I don't know that

listen to that because I don't know that I have anything I can draw on to relate

I have anything I can draw on to relate so it would be in in different areas of

so it would be in in different areas of course when you're going under brakes

course when you're going under brakes it's through your hands your arms um

it's through your hands your arms um even sometimes my legs my knees um on

even sometimes my legs my knees um on the side of the tank things like that so

the side of the tank things like that so your thighs so you feel pressure so you

your thighs so you feel pressure so you feel the pressure through your hands

feel the pressure through your hands through your arms the weight of yourself

through your arms the weight of yourself uh going forward because sometimes your

uh going forward because sometimes your bike positions are different year by

bike positions are different year by year your bike and Rider positions

year your bike and Rider positions different so adapting and feeling that

different so adapting and feeling that that I suppose rate of pressure when

that I suppose rate of pressure when you're off the inside of the bike it's

you're off the inside of the bike it's the same thing you're feeling it through

the same thing you're feeling it through your butt going you know when you're

your butt going you know when you're accelerating uh you're feeling it

accelerating uh you're feeling it through your feet through your butt um

through your feet through your butt um through your your level of of basically

through your your level of of basically stretch in your hand by for me anyway uh

stretch in your hand by for me anyway uh as I was coming out of the corner you

as I was coming out of the corner you know the bike wants to Lurch away so

know the bike wants to Lurch away so it's sort of that's why you're allowing

it's sort of that's why you're allowing it to um move naturally that's why it

it to um move naturally that's why it always so I'm getting as much feedback

always so I'm getting as much feedback as I can uh without just trying to

as I can uh without just trying to muscle it you muscle it the thing will

muscle it you muscle it the thing will just break away quickly whereas if

just break away quickly whereas if you're finessing it kind of thing then

you're finessing it kind of thing then it'll want to move and and fine grip and

it'll want to move and and fine grip and you're finding that point so everything

you're finding that point so everything was just feeling um basically just

was just feeling um basically just feeling gForce yeah and that's what I

feeling gForce yeah and that's what I was saying about that that meter inside

was saying about that that meter inside you was just feeling GeForce whether

you was just feeling GeForce whether it's through your hands through your

it's through your hands through your butt through your legs um whether it's

butt through your legs um whether it's under brakes on the side uh it's all

under brakes on the side uh it's all just feeling sort of gForce it's that is

just feeling sort of gForce it's that is just I don't know why but that same

just I don't know why but that same thing in cting and cars they feel it you

thing in cting and cars they feel it you know through the ribs and things like

know through the ribs and things like that you can get to that level where

that you can get to that level where they know it's about to break yeah and

they know it's about to break yeah and then they know I can't really get away

then they know I can't really get away with much more than that the I

with much more than that the I definitely can relate to that the car

definitely can relate to that the car feeling yeah like for some reason it

feeling yeah like for some reason it seems like when I'm driving and like

seems like when I'm driving and like pushing in in like a car

pushing in in like a car that feeling of grip and the edge of

that feeling of grip and the edge of grip that seems to be more available but

grip that seems to be more available but like I don't know that I've got that

like I don't know that I've got that same feeling with a dirt bike but it's

same feeling with a dirt bike but it's funny when we went and we rode that

funny when we went and we rode that grass track the other day like that was

grass track the other day like that was probably the most laps I've ever done of

probably the most laps I've ever done of flat track and it was because the other

flat track and it was because the other day we were talking about flat track and

day we were talking about flat track and so I was like I'm going to do a th000

so I was like I'm going to do a th000 Laps on this [ __ ] and uh that was

Laps on this [ __ ] and uh that was probably the first time where I've ever

probably the first time where I've ever really really felt like control like the

really really felt like control like the Tipping it in and then counter coocking

Tipping it in and then counter coocking it and then steering the with the rear

it and then steering the with the rear wheel the entire way around and I kind

wheel the entire way around and I kind of could feel that but on a like a

of could feel that but on a like a motocross track and you know it's like

motocross track and you know it's like it seems so hard to pay close enough

it seems so hard to pay close enough attention to those those forces so do

attention to those those forces so do you think that maybe you just had like a

you think that maybe you just had like a special ability to like hone in on that

special ability to like hone in on that particular thing and like really spend

particular thing and like really spend time like with that feeling in a sense

time like with that feeling in a sense because like you said it was probably

because like you said it was probably the F first four or five sentences you

the F first four or five sentences you said on this podcast was about you said

said on this podcast was about you said attention and I think that attention is

attention and I think that attention is probably the most

probably the most underutilized human resource that we

underutilized human resource that we have attention and time what you put

have attention and time what you put your time and attention on and focused

your time and attention on and focused like you can't focus time anymore yeah

like you can't focus time anymore yeah time is just a quantitive thing you you

time is just a quantitive thing you you can give more or less of it but

can give more or less of it but attention there's a quality to attention

attention there's a quality to attention and I think that when you pay quality

and I think that when you pay quality attention over X time yeah that's when

attention over X time yeah that's when you really really see results so you

you really really see results so you obviously have some kind of relationship

obviously have some kind of relationship with your attention and you can aim your

with your attention and you can aim your attention and point your attention in

attention and point your attention in places and then like sustain that

places and then like sustain that attention over prolonged periods of time

attention over prolonged periods of time if that makes sense yeah I would I would

if that makes sense yeah I would I would say so um it's that whole quality rather

say so um it's that whole quality rather than quantity so everything I did was in

than quantity so everything I did was in in lumps and it's the same thing when I

in lumps and it's the same thing when I was testing or whatever it was putting

was testing or whatever it was putting all my attention into those details and

all my attention into those details and making the most out of it in a short

making the most out of it in a short amount of time rather than just running

amount of time rather than just running laps trying

laps trying to um trying to get everything to come

to um trying to get everything to come to me over time so I did it time is

to me over time so I did it time is finite exactly so rather than doing it

finite exactly so rather than doing it over time I would just do it in a much

over time I would just do it in a much shorter time

shorter time uh and so that's why I was very good at

uh and so that's why I was very good at adapting to circuits conditions all that

adapting to circuits conditions all that sort of thing like go out straight away

sort of thing like go out straight away be quick it's like well I know that when

be quick it's like well I know that when I break here the bike stops there so

I break here the bike stops there so it's pretty easy for me to get within a

it's pretty easy for me to get within a second or so of the quick times then

second or so of the quick times then that next bit is um you know I do need a

that next bit is um you know I do need a little bit of time just to try and fine

little bit of time just to try and fine tune it but um but yeah overall it was

tune it but um but yeah overall it was just you know put a lot of focus into

just you know put a lot of focus into those areas and and um you know things

those areas and and um you know things came to me a little bit more rather than

came to me a little bit more rather than just trying to run the same things um

just trying to run the same things um you know for me repetition never ever

you know for me repetition never ever worked does to certain degree on certain

worked does to certain degree on certain things repetition works but for me

things repetition works but for me overall repetition would just create

overall repetition would just create problems because it's like you're just

problems because it's like you're just covering Problems by going round and

covering Problems by going round and round and around so me it's like no I

round and around so me it's like no I want to uncover these problems um fix

want to uncover these problems um fix them and then go back out and try again

them and then go back out and try again okay no that didn't work fix it try and

okay no that didn't work fix it try and and see what's working rather than just

and see what's working rather than just go around and do laps and sort of go

go around and do laps and sort of go yeah oh at the end of you know 20 lap

yeah oh at the end of you know 20 lap run you're like it's still not good well

run you're like it's still not good well you just wasted 20 laps um so for me I

you just wasted 20 laps um so for me I would rather you know put a lot of

would rather you know put a lot of attention onto those certain areas yeah

attention onto those certain areas yeah that makes a lot of sense so going

that makes a lot of sense so going forward you getting a bit of energy back

forward you getting a bit of energy back this year you went over and um were

this year you went over and um were around the Moto GP Paddock again for the

around the Moto GP Paddock again for the first time in a couple years like are

first time in a couple years like are you sort of starting to like kind of get

you sort of starting to like kind of get some juices back to want to like the

some juices back to want to like the amount like just the information that's

amount like just the information that's in the brain of that's sitting right

in the brain of that's sitting right over there is ridiculous like is there a

over there is ridiculous like is there a part of you that crap there's a lot of

part of you that crap there's a lot of [ __ ] in there but there's some real good

[ __ ] in there but there's some real good [ __ ] in there but is there a part of you

[ __ ] in there but is there a part of you that wants to or like has interest to

that wants to or like has interest to really like keep this progression going

really like keep this progression going in a sense like it's not going to be as

in a sense like it's not going to be as a racer um um but like to kind of work

a racer um um but like to kind of work with guys or to work with the sport or

with guys or to work with the sport or the the testing stuff like do you still

the the testing stuff like do you still have a desire to do that I don't have

have a desire to do that I don't have well I do have a desire if I had my

well I do have a desire if I had my health uh I'd still like to be a part of

health uh I'd still like to be a part of something testing role uh I still

something testing role uh I still believe I have a lot to give and I have

believe I have a lot to give and I have a different perspective than most people

a different perspective than most people do um and especially me being out of the

do um and especially me being out of the sport I have a a much different

sport I have a a much different perspective than anybody who's in it

perspective than anybody who's in it because they see just one dimensional

because they see just one dimensional which is I want speed I want to I want

which is I want speed I want to I want to be faster than everyone uh it's hard

to be faster than everyone uh it's hard when you're not you know when you're in

when you're not you know when you're in the game all you want to do is be fasten

the game all you want to do is be fasten everyone but when you're out of the game

everyone but when you're out of the game it's like hey we'll get there you know

it's like hey we'll get there you know let's let's go through these processes

let's let's go through these processes let get it to that point for a good

let get it to that point for a good reason and you've got like a 30,000 ft

reason and you've got like a 30,000 ft view like you're looking down at this

view like you're looking down at this thing you're not like at a one: one with

thing you're not like at a one: one with it exactly uh if you're too close to

it exactly uh if you're too close to something it's you know it's too hard to

something it's you know it's too hard to see it's a lot better when you step back

see it's a lot better when you step back so I would still like to be a part of it

so I would still like to be a part of it I'd also like to be a part of um working

I'd also like to be a part of um working with some writers uh I feel like uh

with some writers uh I feel like uh Valencia in Portugal showed me that I'm

Valencia in Portugal showed me that I'm still able to think outside the box

still able to think outside the box you're not quite a fossil I'm not quite

you're not quite a fossil I'm not quite a fossil yet I still I'm still relevant

a fossil yet I still I'm still relevant let's say um with with what I know and I

let's say um with with what I know and I don't want to go to the Grave with what

don't want to go to the Grave with what I know you know I may as well give it

I know you know I may as well give it out there but the same time I don't want

out there but the same time I don't want everybody known I I spent too long

everybody known I I spent too long learning everything I have um to just

learning everything I have um to just give it out to everyone so I would like

give it out to everyone so I would like the right people to work with and um you

the right people to work with and um you know and give back to the sport but

know and give back to the sport but believe it or not it's not that easy you

believe it or not it's not that easy you know I'm also not just going to give all

know I'm also not just going to give all my time out and everything out uh

my time out and everything out uh willy-nilly you know that that takes

willy-nilly you know that that takes that's a lot out of me so I want to put

that's a lot out of me so I want to put it in the right situation uh with the

it in the right situation uh with the right people and then uh you know see

right people and then uh you know see what we can do but as

what we can do but as much advice and um opinions as I've

much advice and um opinions as I've given to

given to certain companies and things in the

certain companies and things in the past uh when you've got roadblocks up in

past uh when you've got roadblocks up in front of you it's very hard to get

front of you it's very hard to get through and unfortunately with this um

through and unfortunately with this um political world and all the rest of it

political world and all the rest of it and you've got people that don't

and you've got people that don't necessarily want to listen yeah other

necessarily want to listen yeah other ones which just don't want to be seen

ones which just don't want to be seen that somebody else has an idea um you

that somebody else has an idea um you know it's it's quite complicated to you

know it's it's quite complicated to you know I suppose get your foot in the door

know I suppose get your foot in the door in the right one anyway which it sounds

in the right one anyway which it sounds crazy coming from you like that's a

crazy coming from you like that's a ridiculous statement to have to make

ridiculous statement to have to make you'd be surprised um as we've seen you

you'd be surprised um as we've seen you know you think all these companies

know you think all these companies should be able to produce a bike put it

should be able to produce a bike put it on the floor after all these years of

on the floor after all these years of experience it should be boom great out

experience it should be boom great out of the box how often do we see the

of the box how often do we see the mapping is not good this isn't good

mapping is not good this isn't good suspension's terrible um it's like a

suspension's terrible um it's like a constant Trend you know and it's like

constant Trend you know and it's like you'd think after all these years they'd

you'd think after all these years they'd know how to put a bike on the on the

know how to put a bike on the on the floor and it's going to be good out of

floor and it's going to be good out of the box but the amount of times it

the box but the amount of times it doesn't happen like that so you you yeah

doesn't happen like that so you you yeah it's it's quite I think that's the

it's it's quite I think that's the market though because the market demands

market though because the market demands change it does demand change but at the

change it does demand change but at the same no change to be made but they're

same no change to be made but they're getting bad press from it yeah and what

getting bad press from it yeah and what they'd rather have bad press than bring

they'd rather have bad press than bring a decent bik I'm not talking about world

a decent bik I'm not talking about world beater something that still when you put

beater something that still when you put suspension exhaust all that on it's

suspension exhaust all that on it's going to make an improvement but don't

going to make an improvement but don't put something on the floor that's a

put something on the floor that's a piece of crap that's going to have

piece of crap that's going to have people you know complaining about it

people you know complaining about it yeah um there's things like that just

yeah um there's things like that just just perplex me and it's the same thing

just perplex me and it's the same thing like you can you can literally give

like you can you can literally give someone the key to success and they're

someone the key to success and they're still not going to take it it's a bit

still not going to take it it's a bit like what we're talking about with Ricky

like what we're talking about with Ricky voto D it's right there but people don't

voto D it's right there but people don't they don't want it yeah for some reason

they don't want it yeah for some reason just because they want to do it their

just because they want to do it their own way yeah it's Pride or whatever it

own way yeah it's Pride or whatever it is it's ego and pride and whether it's a

is it's ego and pride and whether it's a company whether it's an individual

company whether it's an individual there's too much of it out there there

there's too much of it out there there and and yeah people that don't want to

and and yeah people that don't want to listen even though it's written right

listen even though it's written right there um so I just wanted to talking

there um so I just wanted to talking about staying relevant where's my note

about staying relevant where's my note in my chicken scratch here so six times

in my chicken scratch here so six times Philip Island um 2008 poll up is still

Philip Island um 2008 poll up is still relevant so I I thought I wrote the

relevant so I I thought I wrote the exact time down I watched a really shout

exact time down I watched a really shout out to the dude I hope he watches this

out to the dude I hope he watches this podcast cuz he's obviously a big fan of

podcast cuz he's obviously a big fan of you um but he made this really really

you um but he made this really really cool video of you and Marquez I think

cool video of you and Marquez I think marquez's best lap time ever at Philip

marquez's best lap time ever at Philip island is 2015 yours was 08 I believe

island is 2015 yours was 08 I believe and it was like his was like 368 and

and it was like his was like 368 and yours was like 660 or something like

yours was like 660 or something like that um so a a lap from 08 is still

that um so a a lap from 08 is still relevant in the modern era with all like

relevant in the modern era with all like the changes much as i' like to take

the changes much as i' like to take credit for that we had qualifying tires

credit for that we had qualifying tires oh really so unfortunately my laps will

oh really so unfortunately my laps will never be relevant in today's time

never be relevant in today's time because Philip is got

because Philip is got resurfaced so the year after I retired

resurfaced so the year after I retired they resurfaced it and it went from

they resurfaced it and it went from quite honestly it was a piece of crap

quite honestly it was a piece of crap the surface was terrible and then it got

the surface was terrible and then it got resurfaced and it's amazing it's got

resurfaced and it's amazing it's got gripped to you know it was it was

gripped to you know it was it was incredible the lap times just dropped by

incredible the lap times just dropped by nearly 2 seconds um so as much as you

nearly 2 seconds um so as much as you know Philip en was pretty easy for me to

know Philip en was pretty easy for me to win and you know we always had plenty of

win and you know we always had plenty of margin to the the people behind um yeah

margin to the the people behind um yeah I never got to ride on it when it was

I never got to ride on it when it was smooth it was always rough you know the

smooth it was always rough you know the the the surface was very very bad and at

the the surface was very very bad and at the moment I think it's I think it's

the moment I think it's I think it's still pretty good I think it's you know

still pretty good I think it's you know it's a long time since it's been

it's a long time since it's been resurfaced now but it was I was really

resurfaced now but it was I was really disappointed that I never got to ride a

disappointed that I never got to ride a smooth Philip isum because if I had I

smooth Philip isum because if I had I would have loved to see what I could do

would have loved to see what I could do on it really left time yeah were you so

on it really left time yeah were you so in let's say that 08 lap is like the

in let's say that 08 lap is like the best lap that you did there how much is

best lap that you did there how much is like in the tank if so if you re if you

like in the tank if so if you re if you say like all right resurface give me the

say like all right resurface give me the like my best bike I had with qualie

like my best bike I had with qualie tires on like this sick new Surface is

tires on like this sick new Surface is there a lot that's left in the tank do

there a lot that's left in the tank do you think or I think I ended up doing a

you think or I think I ended up doing a a one minute so I did a 28 what1 or

a one minute so I did a 28 what1 or something with the qualifying tires I

something with the qualifying tires I can't remember exactly what it was

can't remember exactly what it was something like that and anyway uh there

something like that and anyway uh there wasn't much left in that tank cuz

wasn't much left in that tank cuz Mitchell and had the better qualifying

Mitchell and had the better qualifying tires through that weekend and um and we

tires through that weekend and um and we just absolutely I had to ride out of my

just absolutely I had to ride out of my skin to get pole on that one that was

skin to get pole on that one that was that was pretty awesome but I think I

that was pretty awesome but I think I ended up with on a 28 and 11 or 12 or

ended up with on a 28 and 11 or 12 or something during one of the practice

something during one of the practice sessions cuz it was always very weather

sessions cuz it was always very weather dependent for the PO and it's always you

dependent for the PO and it's always you know if it's blowing you're going to

know if it's blowing you're going to lose near you're second lap um you know

lose near you're second lap um you know if it's a bit rainy and spitty you're

if it's a bit rainy and spitty you're going to lose time so it's very weather

going to lose time so it's very weather dependent it has to be pretty well spot

dependent it has to be pretty well spot on to get uh get the lap times down um

on to get uh get the lap times down um so I did a 28 or something without

so I did a 28 or something without qualifying ties I can't remember what

qualifying ties I can't remember what year it was and I felt like you know

year it was and I felt like you know with the new Surface scenary I could

with the new Surface scenary I could have probably got to a 26 no problem um

have probably got to a 26 no problem um I don't know what they ended up at but

I don't know what they ended up at but that was just sort of my judgment off

that was just sort of my judgment off knowing what people I used to race

knowing what people I used to race against what they kind of got to as well

against what they kind of got to as well yeah um but at the same time I think it

yeah um but at the same time I think it was a lot of the bad surface and uh the

was a lot of the bad surface and uh the wind and everything like that is what

wind and everything like that is what made me different around Philip Island I

made me different around Philip Island I put myself in different positions than

put myself in different positions than everybody else would because of track

everybody else would because of track conditions because of all these other

conditions because of all these other things elements to reduce risk and um

things elements to reduce risk and um you know it it helped me a lot so

you know it it helped me a lot so there's there's quite a few secrets in

there's there's quite a few secrets in Philip all and it's uh it's a beautiful

Philip all and it's uh it's a beautiful track it's almost like you're a gusta in

track it's almost like you're a gusta in a way you know it's like the Augusta is

a way you know it's like the Augusta is not a long golf course yeah you know

not a long golf course yeah you know Tech it's not techn yeah like it's it's

Tech it's not techn yeah like it's it's not the most challenging as such but

not the most challenging as such but when you add in the wind and you add in

when you add in the wind and you add in the you know the the crowd the WEA in

the you know the the crowd the WEA in all of those conditions and then you get

all of those conditions and then you get some people that just play good at austa

some people that just play good at austa it almost seems like you know to draw

it almost seems like you know to draw that analogy like Philip Island was that

that analogy like Philip Island was that place view that it's like that was your

place view that it's like that was your Masters where you just knew something

Masters where you just knew something about that course that other other guys

about that course that other other guys didn't know yeah the nicest thing for me

didn't know yeah the nicest thing for me around Philip Island was I didn't RAC

around Philip Island was I didn't RAC there any more than anybody else yeah um

there any more than anybody else yeah um I never raced at Philip Island before I

I never raced at Philip Island before I got to World Championships so everybody

got to World Championships so everybody thought a you've raced here in the past

thought a you've raced here in the past you know you you grew up racing here and

you know you you grew up racing here and I'm like no I never Road raced in

I'm like no I never Road raced in Australia um I'd only ever been on a

Australia um I'd only ever been on a go-kart track you know that was it

go-kart track you know that was it before I went overseas and um so it was

before I went overseas and um so it was nice that everybody thought I grew up

nice that everybody thought I grew up knowing all these secrets like no i' I

knowing all these secrets like no i' I just learned them over time and um it

just learned them over time and um it was because of the weather and all these

was because of the weather and all these conditions and the tough track

conditions and the tough track conditions and surface and things like

conditions and surface and things like that that I just kept learning year by

that that I just kept learning year by year and and um no it was it was very

year and and um no it was it was very nice because it was almost everybody's

nice because it was almost everybody's favorite track as well yeah so the fact

favorite track as well yeah so the fact that it was everybody's favorite track

that it was everybody's favorite track was a bit like Augusta the fact that it

was a bit like Augusta the fact that it was uh the Masters everybody wanted that

was uh the Masters everybody wanted that one um so it was nice that you know we

one um so it was nice that you know we we we sort of always been able to keep

we we sort of always been able to keep them at Bay so when was the last time

them at Bay so when was the last time you Rod

you Rod there uh I did a parade lap in 2013 that

there uh I did a parade lap in 2013 that was it I haven't been Road there like

was it I haven't been Road there like really just [ __ ] hooked in uh 2012 in

really just [ __ ] hooked in uh 2012 in the race we got to get you back bro yeah

the race we got to get you back bro yeah I've been wanting to go back for a long

I've been wanting to go back for a long time but it's you know it's a long way

time but it's you know it's a long way from here and I don't know it's sort of

from here and I don't know it's sort of it's hard to set everything up I haven't

it's hard to set everything up I haven't wanted to go to Philip Island for the

wanted to go to Philip Island for the Grand Prix for a while

Grand Prix for a while um I've got I've got nowhere to hide

um I've got I've got nowhere to hide I've got nowhere to get away it would

I've got nowhere to get away it would just be a really busy hectic weekend for

just be a really busy hectic weekend for me yeah and it's that whole thing I

me yeah and it's that whole thing I don't think I'd enjoy it yeah do you

don't think I'd enjoy it yeah do you think like do you think that knowing

think like do you think that knowing this stuff now though like cuz that's

this stuff now though like cuz that's sort of how I feel like I feel like and

sort of how I feel like I feel like and that's why I put so much effort into

that's why I put so much effort into like the meditation and that side of

like the meditation and that side of things it's like I I want to just know

things it's like I I want to just know the like the the things that [ __ ] me

the like the the things that [ __ ] me up essentially and then I almost want to

up essentially and then I almost want to get to the point where like I go oh that

get to the point where like I go oh that does this to me that does this to me

does this to me that does this to me that and it's just knowing is enough for

that and it's just knowing is enough for me to just know yeah but so you don't

me to just know yeah but so you don't think that knowing it like to me I think

think that knowing it like to me I think like as soon as I know that something is

like as soon as I know that something is like okay this is a thing for me that

like okay this is a thing for me that produces this reaction I almost feel

produces this reaction I almost feel like just the knowledge of it means that

like just the knowledge of it means that I can be better than it in a in a way if

I can be better than it in a in a way if that makes sense it it helps me deal

that makes sense it it helps me deal with it that's for sure better but it

with it that's for sure better but it still doesn't necessarily take it away

still doesn't necessarily take it away yeah

yeah yeah it's always it's you know knowledge

yeah it's always it's you know knowledge is King as they always say you know even

is King as they always say you know even knowledge within yourself it's it's so

knowledge within yourself it's it's so much easier to deal with things and

much easier to deal with things and understand understand uh what's going on

understand understand uh what's going on and what makes you react and all these

and what makes you react and all these sorts of things but um it doesn't

sorts of things but um it doesn't necessarily still make me enjoy it and I

necessarily still make me enjoy it and I I want to go down and Filip pile and

I want to go down and Filip pile and enjoy it yeah so I'll actually go down

enjoy it yeah so I'll actually go down there again you know once Co and

there again you know once Co and everything sort of finished and and

everything sort of finished and and completely free I'll um I'll head down

completely free I'll um I'll head down there and actually ride down there on a

there and actually ride down there on a bike I've always wanted to do the ride

bike I've always wanted to do the ride down with a few mates and enjoy yeah um

down with a few mates and enjoy yeah um but yeah I don't know how much time I'll

but yeah I don't know how much time I'll spend at the track I'll take the mates

spend at the track I'll take the mates there and show them around and then I'll

there and show them around and then I'll be like yeah right

be like yeah right yeah it is it is hard man like I can't

yeah it is it is hard man like I can't relate in any sense to what going to

relate in any sense to what going to Philip isand as Casey Stoner would be

Philip isand as Casey Stoner would be like but I mean I've even noticed like I

like but I mean I've even noticed like I can't go to um motocross track now

can't go to um motocross track now pretty much anywhere like the US would

pretty much anywhere like the US would be [ __ ] weird to go back for me now

be [ __ ] weird to go back for me now to go over there but it is a pretty

to go over there but it is a pretty uncomfortable feeling and like I mean I

uncomfortable feeling and like I mean I I get uh when you said and you're in an

I get uh when you said and you're in an airport and you know people looking at

airport and you know people looking at you and you like I it's pretty much the

you and you like I it's pretty much the point now where like every time I go in

point now where like every time I go in an airport they see the bun and they

an airport they see the bun and they just know they see the beard they see

just know they see the beard they see the

the bun but there's a there's a weird thing

bun but there's a there's a weird thing internally that happens when you start

internally that happens when you start to expect that that will that's like a

to expect that that will that's like a weird intermediary step yeah that that's

weird intermediary step yeah that that's the I think that's probably the weirder

the I think that's probably the weirder thing than actually getting recognized

thing than actually getting recognized is that there's this step before or you

is that there's this step before or you go somewhere where you know you will get

go somewhere where you know you will get recognized that to me seems like more of

recognized that to me seems like more of the weird part and that ends up stopping

the weird part and that ends up stopping me from going places and doing things

me from going places and doing things cuz I just don't want I've got

cuz I just don't want I've got apprehension I've got all these things I

apprehension I've got all these things I just don't want to happen so then yeah

just don't want to happen so then yeah yeah yeah so in like I can't relate to

yeah yeah so in like I can't relate to the level but i' I've got that feeling

the level but i' I've got that feeling now of there's like if I know that

now of there's like if I know that there's a place where I'm going to go

there's a place where I'm going to go cuz I guess that's like the weird part

cuz I guess that's like the weird part about any kind of of Fame right so like

about any kind of of Fame right so like Justin Bieber's Fame is one end of the I

Justin Bieber's Fame is one end of the I could never I cannot so knowing more

could never I cannot so knowing more about people and you know like I said my

about people and you know like I said my anxiety now makes a lot of sense as to

anxiety now makes a lot of sense as to what I struggled with when I was growing

what I struggled with when I was growing up um I cannot possibly understand how

up um I cannot possibly understand how you know people like Justin Bieber can

you know people like Justin Bieber can handle all that Fame they I know they

handle all that Fame they I know they can't but they still do and then they go

can't but they still do and then they go and they'll produce more music to get

and they'll produce more music to get more attention and more movies and all

more attention and more movies and all this sort of stuff like they'll keep

this sort of stuff like they'll keep going and I'm just like how yeah how can

going and I'm just like how yeah how can you deal with that like it's just their

you deal with that like it's just their life to a certain degree is over yeah so

life to a certain degree is over yeah so as much as everybody says oh you know

as much as everybody says oh you know they're wingy whiny little this and that

they're wingy whiny little this and that it's like well everyone's made them

it's like well everyone's made them famous cuz they're doing a bloody good

famous cuz they're doing a bloody good job of what they're doing yeah but at

job of what they're doing yeah but at the same time it's like they they've

the same time it's like they they've just got no life yeah and they're all

just got no life yeah and they're all like oh they spotted out in their super

like oh they spotted out in their super yard or their private on like damn right

yard or their private on like damn right yeah you know I got the money to do that

yeah you know I got the money to do that because everybody's just in your face

because everybody's just in your face like yeah I'm going as far away from

like yeah I'm going as far away from everyone as I can but they just never

everyone as I can but they just never get to leave anymore every time they

get to leave anymore every time they open a door there's Paparazzi there in

open a door there's Paparazzi there in their face I just I can't understand how

their face I just I can't understand how they can do that but um fair play to

they can do that but um fair play to them well the thing is though and it and

them well the thing is though and it and it makes sense in your case right so

it makes sense in your case right so like you were pretty much like

like you were pretty much like 22 when or 21 when you got like super

22 when or 21 when you got like super famous

famous right there's

right there's a it's weird because you think that same

a it's weird because you think that same thing with like Fame right you're like

thing with like Fame right you're like oh well you wanted to be a [ __ ]

oh well you wanted to be a [ __ ] musician it's like Okay cool so I send

musician it's like Okay cool so I send in this tape and then this one guy sees

in this tape and then this one guy sees it and then the next minute I'm making

it and then the next minute I'm making baby and it goes on the radio and I am

baby and it goes on the radio and I am now so famous that I can't go back and

now so famous that I can't go back and that's one of the I think that's like

that's one of the I think that's like the weird thing you can stop there

the weird thing you can stop there though and then let it Teeter out I

though and then let it Teeter out I wonder though like I I guess maybe with

wonder though like I I guess maybe with maybe but like I think that once you hit

maybe but like I think that once you hit a certain there's like a Tipping Point

a certain there's like a Tipping Point with Fame to where like you can't come

with Fame to where like you can't come back from it in a sense and I guess

back from it in a sense and I guess maybe it can grow you can like grow out

maybe it can grow you can like grow out of it Nelly Nelly kind of disappeared

of it Nelly Nelly kind of disappeared yeah true if you're looking at you know

yeah true if you're looking at you know big stars at a time he's just gone laid

big stars at a time he's just gone laid low and yeah and he's really uh

low and yeah and he's really uh disappeared with about him just the

disappeared with about him just the other day just going like hey what's he

other day just going like hey what's he came on the radio I haven't heard this

came on the radio I haven't heard this in a while um it's actually something I

in a while um it's actually something I I struggle with because so many people

I struggle with because so many people um sit there and tell you to your face

um sit there and tell you to your face it's like well this is your job like

it's like well this is your job like well no it's not my job my job was

well no it's not my job my job was racing motorcycles yeah um being a

racing motorcycles yeah um being a public figure was not my job yeah um so

public figure was not my job yeah um so this is where it's it's hard for me and

this is where it's it's hard for me and where people can't understand um we are

where people can't understand um we are not actors and actresses and and all

not actors and actresses and and all this sort of stuff soorry you're not

this sort of stuff soorry you're not allowed to say actress anymore probably

allowed to say actress anymore probably SE comment

SE comment yeah um so yeah I I think

yeah um so yeah I I think it's it's hard it was very hard for me

it's it's hard it was very hard for me because all I wanted to do was race

because all I wanted to do was race bikes yeah and unfortunately it was the

bikes yeah and unfortunately it was the smallest part of my job in the end yeah

smallest part of my job in the end yeah it was 5% of my job was actually riding

it was 5% of my job was actually riding a bike and I'm like where' that ratio go

a bike and I'm like where' that ratio go wrong yeah um so that was that's quite

wrong yeah um so that was that's quite tough for me to get my head around and

tough for me to get my head around and um and when you got people going you

um and when you got people going you know this is your job you know you have

know this is your job you know you have to sign my autograph you have to take a

to sign my autograph you have to take a photo with me I'm sorry right now I've

photo with me I'm sorry right now I've just you know I've had a bad session I

just you know I've had a bad session I just come from a crash literally going

just come from a crash literally going to the the mobile Clin with a freaking

to the the mobile Clin with a freaking dislocated shoulder or whatever and

dislocated shoulder or whatever and they're trying to grab you for photos

they're trying to grab you for photos and it's just like hang on um it it

and it's just like hang on um it it didn't sit that well with me and um and

didn't sit that well with me and um and so yeah people just always struggle to

so yeah people just always struggle to understand me that I I wasn't there to

understand me that I I wasn't there to be famous I wasn't there to be in the

be famous I wasn't there to be in the public eye uh I just wanted to race

public eye uh I just wanted to race bikes at the the top level that I

bikes at the the top level that I possibly could so yeah and and it's one

possibly could so yeah and and it's one of those things where you could never

of those things where you could never understand it until you're in it and

understand it until you're in it and it's one of those things that yeah I

it's one of those things that yeah I think you just there's like a Tipping

think you just there's like a Tipping Point that that you reach to where like

Point that that you reach to where like there's a certain level of Fame where

there's a certain level of Fame where like you can't go back from it and like

like you can't go back from it and like even with Danny like he's a super famous

even with Danny like he's a super famous dude in Europe and in Australia and

dude in Europe and in Australia and until the drive to survive came out he

until the drive to survive came out he literally had like his p in Hollywood

literally had like his p in Hollywood and could just cruise around and like he

and could just cruise around and like he just wasn't famous there like you might

just wasn't famous there like you might get recognized airports are [ __ ]

get recognized airports are [ __ ] crazy every like if you're anyone that's

crazy every like if you're anyone that's ever done anything you're stuck and

ever done anything you're stuck and every there's all I don't know how I get

every there's all I don't know how I get recognized at airport I'm like how the

recognized at airport I'm like how the [ __ ] would this work airport seem to be

[ __ ] would this work airport seem to be the place for it but he's like maybe at

the place for it but he's like maybe at the airport I'd get recognized but then

the airport I'd get recognized but then everywhere else I'm [ __ ] good and

everywhere else I'm [ __ ] good and then he said said the first time he went

then he said said the first time he went back to LA after drive to survive drops

back to LA after drive to survive drops he's walking across the road a dude

he's walking across the road a dude rides a motorcycle across traffic like

rides a motorcycle across traffic like fully across the road to stop and take a

fully across the road to stop and take a selfie with him it's just like the

selfie with him it's just like the weirdest thing and it's like so I mean

weirdest thing and it's like so I mean in his case he didn't do anything extra

in his case he didn't do anything extra to get more

to get more famous you know what I mean just the

famous you know what I mean just the show came out there's no like there's no

show came out there's no like there's no control that you have and yeah that that

control that you have and yeah that that weird little anxiety like that's

weird little anxiety like that's something I'm trying to not do because

something I'm trying to not do because let's be honest like I've just got a

let's be honest like I've just got a [ __ ] podcast like it's not a big deal

[ __ ] podcast like it's not a big deal but and it's a it's a microcosm but

but and it's a it's a microcosm but that's the feeling where like anytime I

that's the feeling where like anytime I get that where I'm like I know there's

get that where I'm like I know there's going to be cuz man and I went through

going to be cuz man and I went through it a little bit like especially through

it a little bit like especially through Co once like we weren't going and doing

Co once like we weren't going and doing anything and then you started going out

anything and then you started going out again and then the podcast gets bigger

again and then the podcast gets bigger through Co and then all of a sudden I

through Co and then all of a sudden I had to start thinking about it and I

had to start thinking about it and I literally stopped going to places

literally stopped going to places because I didn't want to [ __ ] talk

because I didn't want to [ __ ] talk about myself I was like dude you're

about myself I was like dude you're going to ask me [ __ ] that I like I don't

going to ask me [ __ ] that I like I don't really want to talk about and I don't

really want to talk about and I don't know you that well so I don't have

know you that well so I don't have anything to ask you about you don't want

anything to ask you about you don't want to become rude so I'm going to look like

to become rude so I'm going to look like a [ __ ] idiot that's talking about

a [ __ ] idiot that's talking about myself the whole time you know and then

myself the whole time you know and then you've then you get that feeling so

you've then you get that feeling so there's some weird there's definitely

there's some weird there's definitely some weirdness um at play that is just

some weirdness um at play that is just like completely un avoidable at at any

like completely un avoidable at at any level and the problem as well is that

level and the problem as well is that we're living in a society where like

we're living in a society where like everyone's trying to get famous so like

everyone's trying to get famous so like when anyone almost can get famous it's a

when anyone almost can get famous it's a lottery system that we're in gosh it's

lottery system that we're in gosh it's like freaking snail going across the

like freaking snail going across the table go viral I'm

table go viral I'm like whoa where are we what are we

like whoa where are we what are we watching right now and what's

watching right now and what's entertaining to everybody like it's

entertaining to everybody like it's feels like a very very shallow uh

feels like a very very shallow uh Society at the moment m that we're we're

Society at the moment m that we're we're literally just watching some stuff on

literally just watching some stuff on screens that have no real depth to it

screens that have no real depth to it that's going viral and people get you

that's going viral and people get you know ridiculously famous for it and all

know ridiculously famous for it and all this sort of thing but at the same time

this sort of thing but at the same time it's the current climate um you know I

it's the current climate um you know I think I'd much rather watch or listen

think I'd much rather watch or listen something that's got a bit of substance

something that's got a bit of substance to it it's like um you know music's

to it it's like um you know music's getting so much shorter yeah you know

getting so much shorter yeah you know we've gone from 5 minute songs Back in

we've gone from 5 minute songs Back in the Day 3 minutes now 2 minutes I mean

the Day 3 minutes now 2 minutes I mean we're going to end up with like

we're going to end up with like literally one chorus done see that TI

literally one chorus done see that TI Tok they literally make songs that AFF

Tok they literally make songs that AFF for that that Tik Tok thing and like

for that that Tik Tok thing and like there's one song that's uh I really like

there's one song that's uh I really like it too but it only goes for like two

it too but it only goes for like two minutes because it's it was just one of

minutes because it's it was just one of those hit kind of Tik Tok songs it's

those hit kind of Tik Tok songs it's amazing it's just uh but if we've seen

amazing it's just uh but if we've seen everything come around in circles um the

everything come around in circles um the mullet's back y um you know the mo are

mullet's back y um you know the mo are back and things like that we've we've

back and things like that we've we've seen everything and all the trends go

seen everything and all the trends go full circle so you know who who knows

full circle so you know who who knows where we're going to end up in for some

where we're going to end up in for some 9 Minute Pink Floyd style there we go

9 Minute Pink Floyd style there we go you never know we need that back La is

you never know we need that back La is playing to was went for 24 hours or

playing to was went for 24 hours or something didn't it 24 hours of Happy no

something didn't it 24 hours of Happy no what was that the song

what was that the song um what's his name umal William FAL

um what's his name umal William FAL William really shout out to Griff coming

William really shout out to Griff coming in clutch on was it 24 hours of Happy or

in clutch on was it 24 hours of Happy or something like that no I didn't not know

something like that no I didn't not know oh it's a song that can basically just

oh it's a song that can basically just keep going and they get different people

keep going and they get different people to sing it yeah right I think think it

to sing it yeah right I think think it was something like that or 12 I can't

was something like that or 12 I can't remember exactly now probably would have

remember exactly now probably would have seen it clipped in 15 seconds on

seen it clipped in 15 seconds on Instagram exactly it was just like did

Instagram exactly it was just like did it little little tick Tok section that's

it little little tick Tok section that's the the crazy part of it though is that

the the crazy part of it though is that like you can say that you wanted to just

like you can say that you wanted to just race motorcycles at the highest level

race motorcycles at the highest level but it's like that's the back like it's

but it's like that's the back like it's just so unavoidable like that's a

just so unavoidable like that's a paradox and like that's a a paradox that

paradox and like that's a a paradox that only like you can either rationalize and

only like you can either rationalize and come to grips with or not and it just

come to grips with or not and it just there's it just doesn't seem like

there's it just doesn't seem like there's a way around for me it was more

there's a way around for me it was more that people needed to understand that I

that people needed to understand that I wasn't no well I could be but Stoner not

wasn't no well I could be but Stoner not a dick really really nice [ __ ] guy

a dick really really nice [ __ ] guy actually regardless of what you might

actually regardless of what you might think I'm a dick didn't want to say

think I'm a dick didn't want to say anything um I think people to understand

anything um I think people to understand that I'm not just public property yeah I

that I'm not just public property yeah I think that was more the problem I think

think that was more the problem I think it's people in general need to realize

it's people in general need to realize that athletes are not out there like

that athletes are not out there like singer songwriters like actors and

singer songwriters like actors and actresses who rely on attention

actresses who rely on attention attention to get to the position they're

attention to get to the position they're in we are athletes to get to the

in we are athletes to get to the positions we're in and I think uh it

positions we're in and I think uh it would be a lot better if people

would be a lot better if people understood that and went okay he's an

understood that and went okay he's an athlete he's not just a bit of public

athlete he's not just a bit of public property yeah sense that sort of that's

property yeah sense that sort of that's the aspect that I think disturbs me

the aspect that I think disturbs me where where people are just so expecting

where where people are just so expecting of you um to just be public property and

of you um to just be public property and I'm like well I'm not yeah and uh and

I'm like well I'm not yeah and uh and that's why you know sometimes things

that's why you know sometimes things didn't go down that well and there's

didn't go down that well and there's this is one thing that I would love to

this is one thing that I would love to see change in the realm of sport that

see change in the realm of sport that we're

we're in Moto GP and Formula 1 will [ __ ]

in Moto GP and Formula 1 will [ __ ] ring every drop of sweat from you on a

ring every drop of sweat from you on a race weekend yeah like from when you get

race weekend yeah like from when you get there on a Thursday to when you leave

there on a Thursday to when you leave mate there's no time like I don't need

mate there's no time like I don't need to tell I'm not speaking to this is to

to tell I'm not speaking to this is to you you obviously know but this is to

you you obviously know but this is to everyone else like so the bikes are

everyone else like so the bikes are running at 110 120°

running at 110 120° c um the only time you get you should be

c um the only time you get you should be getting wind uh in in is going down the

getting wind uh in in is going down the streets and you're going down the

streets and you're going down the streets behind a screen which is

streets behind a screen which is literally just a hot box of heat coming

literally just a hot box of heat coming off engine soak heat heat from the bike

off engine soak heat heat from the bike in front heat from the the tarmac all

in front heat from the the tarmac all that sort of stuff sitting in Leathers

that sort of stuff sitting in Leathers that the venting doesn't really work

that the venting doesn't really work anymore because it's covered in airbag

anymore because it's covered in airbag yeah um so you know put it in

yeah um so you know put it in perspective a little bit it's uh yeah

perspective a little bit it's uh yeah there's there's not a lot to like about

there's there's not a lot to like about that yeah and and the the level at which

that yeah and and the the level at which they are expecting

they are expecting interviews um media appearances press

interviews um media appearances press conferences like and then the teams have

conferences like and then the teams have their own social media like dude the

their own social media like dude the requests like the requests that people

requests like the requests that people get so like Jack when he come back to do

get so like Jack when he come back to do the bend had like 47 media requests yeah

the bend had like 47 media requests yeah [ __ ] off we don't need that he's got

[ __ ] off we don't need that he's got millions of followers on Instagram just

millions of followers on Instagram just do like talk to those people like that's

do like talk to those people like that's a lot of people right there but you know

a lot of people right there but you know like uh you'll get you go Formula 1 you

like uh you'll get you go Formula 1 you get the Doha radio station and you get

get the Doha radio station and you get some dead [ __ ] that's got no idea about

some dead [ __ ] that's got no idea about the the sport and then you've got a guy

the the sport and then you've got a guy that's particularly opinionated yeah

that's particularly opinionated yeah yeah but wants a story regardless and

yeah but wants a story regardless and then you've got drivers that are like

then you've got drivers that are like risking their lives in every single

risking their lives in every single session and it's like you want to have

session and it's like you want to have your head in the game and then you've

your head in the game and then you've got a governing body that's just like

got a governing body that's just like that and the the thing is is you can say

that and the the thing is is you can say like oh but they obviously want to get

like oh but they obviously want to get the word out for this it's that's not

the word out for this it's that's not what it is what it is is they've got

what it is what it is is they've got partnership deals with the government

partnership deals with the government and then the government they theyve done

and then the government they theyve done some deal with like the [ __ ] Saudi

some deal with like the [ __ ] Saudi government or something which that's not

government or something which that's not a great government to be dealing with by

a great government to be dealing with by the way like 911 like you know there's

the way like 911 like you know there's some [ __ ] weird [ __ ] that's going on

some [ __ ] weird [ __ ] that's going on there but it's like this isn't I guess

there but it's like this isn't I guess like the wholesome this is good for the

like the wholesome this is good for the sport this is really taking from writers

sport this is really taking from writers and I know these guys and the way they

and I know these guys and the way they feel about it they can't say it they're

feel about it they can't say it they're in their careers because obviously

in their careers because obviously they've still got their job to do but

they've still got their job to do but it's like you want to see guys retiring

it's like you want to see guys retiring early this is why this is this is a

early this is why this is this is a thing that people can't see though if

thing that people can't see though if you keep pushing them the whole time

you keep pushing them the whole time they literally will just go like I'm I'm

they literally will just go like I'm I'm done yeah like you can't keep it up year

done yeah like you can't keep it up year after year keep going through it um it's

after year keep going through it um it's a bit

a bit like there's a certain trainer in

like there's a certain trainer in Supercross and Motocross that just about

Supercross and Motocross that just about all of his Riders have retired early um

all of his Riders have retired early um because it's too hard too much to keep

because it's too hard too much to keep up there's it's just it's not something

up there's it's just it's not something that's sustainable yeah for that long

that's sustainable yeah for that long with everything else that's going on you

with everything else that's going on you need to have a bit of downtime a bit of

need to have a bit of downtime a bit of fun time but if there's not enough um it

fun time but if there's not enough um it does hurt now you know you heard me

does hurt now you know you heard me talking about sacrifice as well but you

talking about sacrifice as well but you know a bit of down balance and that's

know a bit of down balance and that's where you know media wise and everything

where you know media wise and everything now it's just nonstop and you know

now it's just nonstop and you know that's where I think it's

that's where I think it's uh you know you're going to have writers

uh you know you're going to have writers that are probably a lot more aware and

that are probably a lot more aware and of what's expected of them now that it

of what's expected of them now that it is so uh out there but I think it was

is so uh out there but I think it was like for me who came up literally

like for me who came up literally starting in the more old school era and

starting in the more old school era and then all of a sudden transferring and

then all of a sudden transferring and transitioning into internet age and then

transitioning into internet age and then into the social media stage like I

into the social media stage like I literally went through that whole thing

literally went through that whole thing yeah um well internet was already there

yeah um well internet was already there in the beginning but it became very you

in the beginning but it became very you know it wasn't it was it was key towards

know it wasn't it was it was key towards the end and then of course social media

the end and then of course social media started as well and it's just like wow

started as well and it's just like wow you know it's each stage of going

you know it's each stage of going towards things didn't want to go to WS

towards things didn't want to go to WS yeah and then that makes sense and then

yeah and then that makes sense and then now all the Riders and everybody coming

now all the Riders and everybody coming up they're already been um they're

up they're already been um they're already used to it they're already part

already used to it they're already part of it so I think that won't affect them

of it so I think that won't affect them as badly yeah it's not going to be like

as badly yeah it's not going to be like a shock to the system yeah cuz I guess

a shock to the system yeah cuz I guess that's uh in your

that's uh in your defense something that just wasn't a

defense something that just wasn't a thing like it was magazines and it was

thing like it was magazines and it was TV yep and then you do and you needed a

TV yep and then you do and you needed a vcr and tape record all that stuff yeah

vcr and tape record all that stuff yeah and when

and when you're like a you go from literally Zero

you're like a you go from literally Zero to Hero like pretty much overnight so

to Hero like pretty much overnight so there's no ramp up effect there's no

there's no ramp up effect there's no there's no coaching there was no sort of

there's no coaching there was no sort of learning on the go and then the era when

learning on the go and then the era when you've really had that come up as well

you've really had that come up as well was pre- internet and then it really

was pre- internet and then it really ramped up like the whole internet thing

ramped up like the whole internet thing ramped up quick while you were still in

ramped up quick while you were still in it so I guess cuz that is that is the

it so I guess cuz that is that is the criticism

criticism uh of not just you but people that get

uh of not just you but people that get into your position and then say like hey

into your position and then say like hey [ __ ] this like I didn't sign up for this

[ __ ] this like I didn't sign up for this [ __ ] yeah that is the criticism is like

[ __ ] yeah that is the criticism is like well you should have known what you

well you should have known what you signed up for but in your case like the

signed up for but in your case like the landscape did

landscape did change Dr yeah like really dramatically

change Dr yeah like really dramatically like while you were still in it I was

like while you were still in it I was still recording my early years of you

still recording my early years of you know 125s 250s and everything on VCR

know 125s 250s and everything on VCR like we didn't didn't even have disc

like we didn't didn't even have disc like this wasn't common and then went to

like this wasn't common and then went to DVDs and then it went to everything else

DVDs and then it went to everything else like DVDs had only just sort of just

like DVDs had only just sort of just come out when I started racing I think

come out when I started racing I think yeah um and they certainly weren't

yeah um and they certainly weren't recording on it and that you know easily

recording on it and that you know easily to get and then it um then it went to

to get and then it um then it went to hard drives and everything like it all

hard drives and everything like it all happened during my span sort of thing so

happened during my span sort of thing so it was very big you know yeah you saw

it was very big you know yeah you saw this this massive uh leap in uh and

this this massive uh leap in uh and demand especially uh blogs came out all

demand especially uh blogs came out all these other of things and they're not

these other of things and they're not experts so the the the amount of media

experts so the the the amount of media that um turn up to races just you know

that um turn up to races just you know quadrupled because everybody was

quadrupled because everybody was starting to do their own thing yeah um

starting to do their own thing yeah um they didn't need to work for newspaper

they didn't need to work for newspaper or television Company exactly perfect

or television Company exactly perfect example um but it's things like that

example um but it's things like that that they just all of a sudden all these

that they just all of a sudden all these people in this this whole different

people in this this whole different industry uh than certainly what it

industry uh than certainly what it started out as yeah yeah that makes

started out as yeah yeah that makes sense everything's you know always

sense everything's you know always moving forward of course but it happened

moving forward of course but it happened in a short time time yeah it went

in a short time time yeah it went through literally several steps in in

through literally several steps in in the space of sort of 5 years 6 years and

the space of sort of 5 years 6 years and there's no way to opt out no like that

there's no way to opt out no like that and I think that's probably like the

and I think that's probably like the well there is you retire yeah you yeah

well there is you retire yeah you yeah yeah you just dip but yeah like there's

yeah you just dip but yeah like there's no happy medium it's like this is what

no happy medium it's like this is what it is now and you either like it or you

it is now and you either like it or you dip and you dipped and it's like well I

dip and you dipped and it's like well I made my money and I'm you know that

made my money and I'm you know that that's uh the other thing too I guess is

that's uh the other thing too I guess is to to walk away with like you would have

to to walk away with like you would have been the highest paid employee of Honda

been the highest paid employee of Honda ever and to just be like nah I just

ever and to just be like nah I just don't nah well it was because money was

don't nah well it was because money was never important to me so I never thought

never important to me so I never thought about walking away from the sport with a

about walking away from the sport with a ton of money like it was never ever um I

ton of money like it was never ever um I never won a race and went ah you know

never won a race and went ah you know you know we got nice little payday there

you know we got nice little payday there it was just never in my head never ever

it was just never in my head never ever thought about it when racing all the

thought about it when racing all the rest of it the end of the season oh yes

rest of it the end of the season oh yes sweet yeah I forgot I got a Bonus like

sweet yeah I forgot I got a Bonus like just never came into my head it was

just never came into my head it was never part of it um so as much as it

never part of it um so as much as it sounds you know ungrateful that you know

sounds you know ungrateful that you know I'm not thinking about money it also was

I'm not thinking about money it also was just never part of the the process for

just never part of the the process for me it's cool to be able to be the guy

me it's cool to be able to be the guy that did walk away from that though

that did walk away from that though because then you kind of can't ever

because then you kind of can't ever question any of the motives you know

question any of the motives you know what I mean

what I mean like not easy to do to walk away like

like not easy to do to walk away like that for a couple of years I was like

that for a couple of years I was like man am I an

man am I an idiot it was uh so I'm getting the

idiot it was uh so I'm getting the answer um I mean it was it was hard

answer um I mean it was it was hard because it would have nearly been my

because it would have nearly been my career's worth of earnings in one year

career's worth of earnings in one year um so it was you know it was very hard

um so it was you know it was very hard to walk away from but at the same time I

to walk away from but at the same time I was just like no it's it's one of those

was just like no it's it's one of those things like if you have $10 you want 100

things like if you have $10 you want 100 if you have 100 you want a th000 if you

if you have 100 you want a th000 if you have a th000 you want 100,000 yeah um it

have a th000 you want 100,000 yeah um it just never stop like where does it stop

just never stop like where does it stop where is enough money enough I've

where is enough money enough I've already got more than I ever dreamed of

already got more than I ever dreamed of having it was never about money for me

having it was never about money for me anyway um so it's like right if I did

anyway um so it's like right if I did that season what stops me from doing the

that season what stops me from doing the next season on the on the same it's like

next season on the on the same it's like there's a point you got to stop doesn't

there's a point you got to stop doesn't matter what sort of money they throw at

matter what sort of money they throw at you there's just a point you need to do

you there's just a point you need to do it for your own reasons um and like I

it for your own reasons um and like I said I was never there for the money so

said I was never there for the money so it was never going to sort of affected

it was never going to sort of affected but um the the the private jet might

but um the the the private jet might have you know that that was a that was a

have you know that that was a that was a almost Tipping Point did you did you

almost Tipping Point did you did you almost get one yeah for all the European

almost get one yeah for all the European races that would have been pretty and

races that would have been pretty and what were you going to do buy one or do

what were you going to do buy one or do like the the lease thing no no no they

like the the lease thing no no no they were just going to give me one for

were just going to give me one for Europe to really go to the races on so I

Europe to really go to the races on so I was like [ __ ] they were trying hard yep

was like [ __ ] they were trying hard yep and it that I mean what a what an honor

and it that I mean what a what an honor that was yeah to have that kind of offer

that was yeah to have that kind of offer you know and that that wasn't just me

you know and that that wasn't just me being as fast as I was they wanted me

being as fast as I was they wanted me from what for what I brought to them

from what for what I brought to them yeah and that was uh I really

yeah and that was uh I really appreciated that you that was that was a

appreciated that you that was that was a big thing for Honda to offer me that

big thing for Honda to offer me that yeah and I guess that

yeah and I guess that um like to make decisions the way that

um like to make decisions the way that you did with like morality in mind

you did with like morality in mind because I think that's probably

because I think that's probably something like let's look at this whole

something like let's look at this whole conversation it's like there's a lot of

conversation it's like there's a lot of decisions that are Guided by like solid

decisions that are Guided by like solid morality the whole way through and

morality the whole way through and whether you talk about like you and

whether you talk about like you and adrey whether you talk about like

adrey whether you talk about like walking away from the money side of

walking away from the money side of things whether you talk about the not

things whether you talk about the not wanting to buy into the fame like

wanting to buy into the fame like there's a lot of morality that's

there's a lot of morality that's involved in these decisions and like the

involved in these decisions and like the moral option is not that fun like so you

moral option is not that fun like so you know that's why it's so easy to like be

know that's why it's so easy to like be a [ __ ] douchebag but it's like it's

a [ __ ] douchebag but it's like it's it is pretty cool to I guess you know

it is pretty cool to I guess you know you can sit in this position now and you

you can sit in this position now and you can look back on everything and like

can look back on everything and like to know that you did things for the

to know that you did things for the right reasons like that's got to be cuz

right reasons like that's got to be cuz I'm sure it's played on your mind like

I'm sure it's played on your mind like did I retire too soon like I could have

did I retire too soon like I could have won more championships I miss racing but

won more championships I miss racing but like I'm sure that all of those

like I'm sure that all of those scenarios could play out over and over

scenarios could play out over and over in your head but I think to be able to

in your head but I think to be able to look back with hindsight and just say

look back with hindsight and just say like I just made like morally I did the

like I just made like morally I did the right thing at every turn that's got to

right thing at every turn that's got to be something that would

be something that would squash the any of the potential pain

squash the any of the potential pain that could come from thinking like I

that could come from thinking like I walked away from this much money I could

walked away from this much money I could have won more races I don't know if that

have won more races I don't know if that is I was never there for the money I was

is I was never there for the money I was never there for the stats

never there for the stats um so it it I was I was pretty good with

um so it it I was I was pretty good with it like I said I always raced with the

it like I said I always raced with the right moral Integrity all that sort of

right moral Integrity all that sort of stuff so it was um you know I was always

stuff so it was um you know I was always pretty comfortable in my decision the

pretty comfortable in my decision the only thing that ever did catch me was

only thing that ever did catch me was the the money was

the the money was it was a lot for one year and I thought

it was a lot for one year and I thought all I need to do is one more year racing

all I need to do is one more year racing but I'm at the same time I'm the kind of

but I'm at the same time I'm the kind of person that's like but would I be given

person that's like but would I be given 100% yeah and I I wouldn't be able to

100% yeah and I I wouldn't be able to take the money if I didn't give 100% And

take the money if I didn't give 100% And so you know that's another reason I was

so you know that's another reason I was like I don't know if I want to race

like I don't know if I want to race anymore because if I did one more year

anymore because if I did one more year of racing I don't know if I would have

of racing I don't know if I would have touched the motorcycle for 10 years I

touched the motorcycle for 10 years I was that over it it was just that much

was that over it it was just that much of a job that much of a draw a draw on

of a job that much of a draw a draw on me

me um so it's that whole thing if I wasn't

um so it's that whole thing if I wasn't going to commit myself to that next year

going to commit myself to that next year and absolutely give them everything why

and absolutely give them everything why would I deserve that kind of offer yeah

would I deserve that kind of offer yeah um and so you know again that's a moral

um and so you know again that's a moral decision like that's the right moral

decision like that's the right moral decision yeah but people don't do that

decision yeah but people don't do that these days that's I said I'm I'm old

these days that's I said I'm I'm old school I'm old school and the way I look

school I'm old school and the way I look at things more simply um yes I do look

at things more simply um yes I do look at things and analyze things but at the

at things and analyze things but at the same time I'm pretty black and white I'm

same time I'm pretty black and white I'm like just get on with it just just do it

like just get on with it just just do it rather than oh let's think about this

rather than oh let's think about this you know let's explore all these other

you know let's explore all these other areas and these other avenues I'm just

areas and these other avenues I'm just like no let's just get the job done yeah

like no let's just get the job done yeah um so I'm I'm split I'm old school just

um so I'm I'm split I'm old school just analytical that's it yeah well we've

analytical that's it yeah well we've been in here a while I'm going let you

been in here a while I'm going let you go I've thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed

go I've thoroughly thoroughly enjoyed this I hope you enjoyed

this I hope you enjoyed it yeah it was uh pretty pretty epic to

it yeah it was uh pretty pretty epic to um to get to pick your brain it's funny

um to get to pick your brain it's funny like uh we I always think like if we go

like uh we I always think like if we go play golf and sh I'm like oh talk about

play golf and sh I'm like oh talk about this and talk about we don't talk about

this and talk about we don't talk about anything it's literally only golf it

anything it's literally only golf it pretty much isn't it and I was I thought

pretty much isn't it and I was I thought about this morning I was like man I

about this morning I was like man I wonder if this is like the move to go

wonder if this is like the move to go and play golf before like literally

and play golf before like literally right before we do the podcast but then

right before we do the podcast but then like halfway through the I'm like [ __ ]

like halfway through the I'm like [ __ ] we've barely said anything other than

we've barely said anything other than golf cuz you don't want to go back to

golf cuz you don't want to go back to subjects you've already spok spoken yeah

subjects you've already spok spoken yeah but it's like I don't know this just

but it's like I don't know this just doesn't seem to be that much

doesn't seem to be that much surfing and yeah that's about it wasn't

surfing and yeah that's about it wasn't it I didn't I said that case you didn't

it I didn't I said that case you didn't but just listed my one anyway um so uh

but just listed my one anyway um so uh dir track build that's coming up yep um

dir track build that's coming up yep um I want to get you back on the road bike

I want to get you back on the road bike at some point too are you Keen for that

at some point too are you Keen for that what's that going to take what do we got

what's that going to take what do we got to do there but no one else at the track

to do there but no one else at the track will do our own thing so I get that I've

will do our own thing so I get that I've supposedly got the keys to fill up all

supposedly got the keys to fill up all so I'm allowed to go there um I want to

so I'm allowed to go there um I want to I ideally I'd love to set up a um a good

I ideally I'd love to set up a um a good ride day with um you know special guests

ride day with um you know special guests and things like that and get Mi down

and things like that and get Mi down there and him and I can uh do a ride day

there and him and I can uh do a ride day with uh with a few special guests sick

with uh with a few special guests sick would that be so I might be able to

would that be so I might be able to organize that one day and and uh we'll

organize that one day and and uh we'll see but yeah I'd like to um probably

see but yeah I'd like to um probably practice before I go on throw myself

practice before I go on throw myself down into turn one and see if I can get

down into turn one and see if I can get a bit of Fitness back on it first all

a bit of Fitness back on it first all right so I I'm going to buy a pen gy V2

right so I I'm going to buy a pen gy V2 I think that's on my Horizon I want to

I think that's on my Horizon I want to uh I want to get a track bike I want to

uh I want to get a track bike I want to I had so much fun on that on that dude I

I had so much fun on that on that dude I was just I thought I was going to be

was just I thought I was going to be more scared than I was like I was really

more scared than I was like I was really nervous to go and do it and like I was

nervous to go and do it and like I was texting Scotty runman at Al Stars be

texting Scotty runman at Al Stars be like bro I want a [ __ ] airbag like

like bro I want a [ __ ] airbag like like as up like I deal with the crap I

like as up like I deal with the crap I don't run the airbag really mm- [ __ ]

don't run the airbag really mm- [ __ ] when everybody else was running it I

when everybody else was running it I wouldn't run it because uh the couple of

wouldn't run it because uh the couple of times I did uh the early durations you

times I did uh the early durations you know yeah I was going to say they

know yeah I was going to say they probably better they're probably a lot

probably better they're probably a lot better now but I also don't like the

better now but I also don't like the bulk it's a whole lot of extra stuff in

bulk it's a whole lot of extra stuff in there yes it's it's probably safer at

there yes it's it's probably safer at riding Casey so this is a very hey I

riding Casey so this is a very hey I crashed normally high speeds than you

crashed normally high speeds than you that's true um and hey I'm still here so

that's true um and hey I'm still here so uh but no I found that you know early

uh but no I found that you know early iterations sort of did the wrong things

iterations sort of did the wrong things and I found I got a lot hotter and

and I found I got a lot hotter and everything like that because you know

everything like that because you know you can't the airbags all sitting there

you can't the airbags all sitting there so you can't get as much air flow Etc

so you can't get as much air flow Etc yeah um you know I understand him in

yeah um you know I understand him in racing and everything like that now they

racing and everything like that now they they kind of need to run them but uh and

they kind of need to run them but uh and they've probably got like said a lot

they've probably got like said a lot better but yeah I I didn't run them I um

better but yeah I I didn't run them I um a lot of people are always surprised in

a lot of people are always surprised in the early days cuz you know everybody

the early days cuz you know everybody loves everything new so like yeah me

loves everything new so like yeah me everything new I'm I'm only going to use

everything new I'm I'm only going to use it if it works better did mcdan have one

it if it works better did mcdan have one nope I ain't using one exactly where's

nope I ain't using one exactly where's my hay bales I don't need airbags

my hay bales I don't need airbags oh that's awesome well yeah I reckon

oh that's awesome well yeah I reckon we'll uh I'll get myself a truck bike

we'll uh I'll get myself a truck bike then maybe we'll just like sneak on out

then maybe we'll just like sneak on out there we'll maybe Morgan Park that's

there we'll maybe Morgan Park that's like the only place of road that place

like the only place of road that place is actually sick it's actually pretty

is actually sick it's actually pretty good have you ridden there on a bike uh

good have you ridden there on a bike uh years ago I think on a Marowak little 80

years ago I think on a Marowak little 80 when I started um when I started riding

when I started um when I started riding so yeah that's my only point of that on

so yeah that's my only point of that on Norwell but we can't take a V2 to norell

Norwell but we can't take a V2 to norell thing's too fast no yeah break again

thing's too fast no yeah break again yeah we'll uh oh that back corner would

yeah we'll uh oh that back corner would be quick the at Norwell yeah yeah the

be quick the at Norwell yeah yeah the you go then the right yeah that was

you go then the right yeah that was quick in a car yeah oh have you you've

quick in a car yeah oh have you you've driven around there before that's where

driven around there before that's where they taught me how to drive a V8 oh

they taught me how to drive a V8 oh that's what I needed to ask you so I did

that's what I needed to ask you so I did a test there then I did a test at QR and

a test there then I did a test at QR and then went to Adelaide for the first race

then went to Adelaide for the first race I was like oh thanks how did did you

I was like oh thanks how did did you enjoy that experience or it was just

enjoy that experience or it was just hard to no it wasn't that much uh that

hard to no it wasn't that much uh that difficult it was difficult to get people

difficult it was difficult to get people to listen because they just go you're a

to listen because they just go you're a bike rider you don't know what you're

bike rider you don't know what you're talking about and then we'd get the main

talking about and then we'd get the main game guys in my car and then go and

game guys in my car and then go and complain about the same thing they're

complain about the same thing they're like oh okay yeah um so that was

like oh okay yeah um so that was difficult also because I turned up in

difficult also because I turned up in that Championship they started to

that Championship they started to televise it more yeah but they cut

televise it more yeah but they cut nearly I think they cut over half the

nearly I think they cut over half the amount of race laps every weekend from

amount of race laps every weekend from what it was the year before so where I

what it was the year before so where I was going to be good or better was um

was going to be good or better was um and what I was going to be good at was

and what I was going to be good at was end of racing

end of racing I'm always good on old tires so towards

I'm always good on old tires so towards the end of races when tires are starting

the end of races when tires are starting to be critical then you know I needed

to be critical then you know I needed that time to learn yeah I was not good

that time to learn yeah I was not good at learning the track straight away

at learning the track straight away getting on my breaker markers um so I

getting on my breaker markers um so I was qualifying kind of averagely and

was qualifying kind of averagely and then basically you know getting stuck

then basically you know getting stuck back in the pack and getting stuck in in

back in the pack and getting stuck in in messy situations so um I didn't make the

messy situations so um I didn't make the most of it and then I needed those

most of it and then I needed those longer races but because everything was

longer races but because everything was shortened and it was unfair on everyone

shortened and it was unfair on everyone in the category

in the category um they basically just made everybody

um they basically just made everybody panic because the races were short they

panic because the races were short they had to make passes it was chaos we spent

had to make passes it was chaos we spent we checked we spent over half the year

we checked we spent over half the year behind a safety car is this like are you

behind a safety car is this like are you kidding me so you weren't racing weren't

kidding me so you weren't racing weren't racing yeah which is safety car safety

racing yeah which is safety car safety car safety car just all the time so the

car safety car just all the time so the poor buggers in smaller teams and

poor buggers in smaller teams and everything that are trying to get out

everything that are trying to get out there yeah number one they've got big uh

there yeah number one they've got big uh panel damage bills every weekend yeah

panel damage bills every weekend yeah and then um you you know they're not

and then um you you know they're not getting the track time and everything

getting the track time and everything just because they televis it yeah it's

just because they televis it yeah it's great for sponsors and all the rest of

great for sponsors and all the rest of it but then it it makes the rest of

it but then it it makes the rest of exactly and it just made it hard on

exactly and it just made it hard on everyone the races were so short but you

everyone the races were so short but you enjoyed the like being a race car driver

enjoyed the like being a race car driver essentially yeah I um I wouldn't have

essentially yeah I um I wouldn't have mind you know continuing on with it but

mind you know continuing on with it but I was I was done I I was done with RAC

I was I was done I I was done with RAC just a lot for you to deal with I tried

just a lot for you to deal with I tried to stop cuz I didn't I wanted to take a

to stop cuz I didn't I wanted to take a year off and then I wanted to test a few

year off and then I wanted to test a few times through that year see how got on

times through that year see how got on get used to driving a car because I

get used to driving a car because I literally just got thrown into

literally just got thrown into Adelaide um without any experience on a

Adelaide um without any experience on a freaking fast Street Track you know so

freaking fast Street Track you know so um yeah adel's no joke no and I I wanted

um yeah adel's no joke no and I I wanted that year off after I retired from MotoG

that year off after I retired from MotoG GP but then everybody pressured me and

GP but then everybody pressured me and said you can't just retire and leave

said you can't just retire and leave you're not going to have any sponsors

you're not going to have any sponsors the year after blah blah blah and I was

the year after blah blah blah and I was just like they just pressured me to do

just like they just pressured me to do it that year yeah um and so you know I

it that year yeah um and so you know I didn't ever feel comfortable I just

didn't ever feel comfortable I just I I wanted out and basically the year

I I wanted out and basically the year after that in 2014 I spent the first 6

after that in 2014 I spent the first 6 months not getting out of bed before

months not getting out of bed before like 10:30 a.m. I was just done I just I

like 10:30 a.m. I was just done I just I was sick at the early mornings I was

was sick at the early mornings I was sick of working my ass off yeah I needed

sick of working my ass off yeah I needed time off and uh and then yeah basically

time off and uh and then yeah basically I got my life back of it and then it was

I got my life back of it and then it was nice so uh me and uh I joke with Danny

nice so uh me and uh I joke with Danny that um I want to race the 12h hour with

that um I want to race the 12h hour with him the first year that he retires and

him the first year that he retires and we get a McLaren and uh I just said you

we get a McLaren and uh I just said you know you do the stint main stint and

know you do the stint main stint and then and the next stint and then the

then and the next stint and then the next in and then so you do basically 11

next in and then so you do basically 11 hours and 45 minutes so I'll just give

hours and 45 minutes so I'll just give you a PE break in the middle and then

you a PE break in the middle and then off you go when there's a safety car

off you go when there's a safety car I'll come out and I'll do some LS behind

I'll come out and I'll do some LS behind the safety car and then we're good

the safety car and then we're good massive crash all right come quick come

massive crash all right come quick come in change box box box but uh on a

in change box box box but uh on a serious note uh is it possible what's

serious note uh is it possible what's possible me to get into a car and drive

possible me to get into a car and drive around BST and like be in that

around BST and like be in that race from zero from zero experience

race from zero from zero experience driving a car I haven't seen you might

driving a car I haven't seen you might have to get you in a sim a little bit so

have to get you in a sim a little bit so you'd be surprised how far Sims can take

you'd be surprised how far Sims can take you I can I'm all right in the Sim yeah

you I can I'm all right in the Sim yeah I've done uh I've done a bit of sim

I've done uh I've done a bit of sim stuff I've got a shitty depends what SIM

stuff I've got a shitty depends what SIM because uh I've seen people driving

because uh I've seen people driving let's say Gran Turismo on the S and it

let's say Gran Turismo on the S and it in my opinion ruins their racing because

in my opinion ruins their racing because it's so dull

it's so dull it's not doing it then you've got

it's not doing it then you've got iRacing which is just way too sensitive

iRacing which is just way too sensitive and you're better off with iRacing

and you're better off with iRacing because it's overly sensitive uh so when

because it's overly sensitive uh so when you're get in a real car you're kind of

you're get in a real car you're kind of going to be ready for it a little bit

going to be ready for it a little bit more but u i find iRacing their Tire

more but u i find iRacing their Tire profiles everything just their way off

profiles everything just their way off yeah um as much as that that can be

yeah um as much as that that can be quite realistic it just annoys me that

quite realistic it just annoys me that fifth gear in a V8 it's spinning up

fifth gear in a V8 it's spinning up everywhere and I'm like I'm sorry they

everywhere and I'm like I'm sorry they don't have that much grunt yeah um the

don't have that much grunt yeah um the V8s are gnarly in racing that's what I

V8s are gnarly in racing that's what I mean they're unrealistic stupid like

mean they're unrealistic stupid like literally you you come out you square it

literally you you come out you square it up and you can Chomp the thing but on

up and you can Chomp the thing but on iRacing you're Feathering it in 50 years

iRacing you're Feathering it in 50 years it's just like no it's not that bad so

it's just like no it's not that bad so iRacing they go way too far in the

iRacing they go way too far in the realism sector and think that

realism sector and think that everything's got you know 1,300

everything's got you know 1,300 horsepower and you just can't keep the

horsepower and you just can't keep the thing in a straight line so that gets a

thing in a straight line so that gets a bit frustrating on our racing but what

bit frustrating on our racing but what is good about it is it teaches you how

is good about it is it teaches you how to be sensitive with things yeah uh and

to be sensitive with things yeah uh and puts a bit of fear and and and technique

puts a bit of fear and and and technique into it to a certain degree so uh I

into it to a certain degree so uh I think that's why a lot of the boys do

think that's why a lot of the boys do run iRacing cuz it Doesn't sort of take

run iRacing cuz it Doesn't sort of take away from there yeah you know from you

away from there yeah you know from you rather overcompensate than underc

rather overcompensate than underc compensate correct but so you think that

compensate correct but so you think that if you get good enough like let's say

if you get good enough like let's say you do like 10,000 laps at BST cuz like

you do like 10,000 laps at BST cuz like essentially I'd have to get good for one

essentially I'd have to get good for one track Y in one car being good at one

track Y in one car being good at one track isn't good cuz you'll go to bethos

track isn't good cuz you'll go to bethos expecting it to be react like that so

expecting it to be react like that so you need different situations for sure

you need different situations for sure but so you think that if you there's

but so you think that if you there's like you think that there's cuz this

like you think that there's cuz this would just be a weird project

would just be a weird project essentially to be like all right it's

essentially to be like all right it's possible but you got to um yeah start

possible but you got to um yeah start running on a semi decent Sim um my start

running on a semi decent Sim um my start start seeing where you are and then see

start seeing where you are and then see if you can get some laps in cars and

if you can get some laps in cars and things like that so um yeah it all kind

things like that so um yeah it all kind of depends on on on that situation and

of depends on on on that situation and that'll give you a bit of an idea if you

that'll give you a bit of an idea if you can keep Pace with some of the quick

can keep Pace with some of the quick guys um you know must it and and years

guys um you know must it and and years and all them sort of boys are pretty

and all them sort of boys are pretty quick so if you can start driving around

quick so if you can start driving around with them then you've got to have uh

with them then you've got to have uh situational awareness and all that sort

situational awareness and all that sort of stuff so that was the hardest thing

of stuff so that was the hardest thing and lots of people can go fast around a

and lots of people can go fast around a track yeah but

track yeah but it's with with cars and things and

it's with with cars and things and that's the other thing I'd never been on

that's the other thing I'd never been on track with a car before going to

track with a car before going to Adelaide for my first street race yeah

Adelaide for my first street race yeah I'm literally like looking in my mirrors

I'm literally like looking in my mirrors checking like I had no awareness and I

checking like I had no awareness and I was just like there's just nothing just

was just like there's just nothing just thrown straight into that I'd only ever

thrown straight into that I'd only ever driven a car twice and it was those cars

driven a car twice and it was those cars on a racetrack like the V8s in a in a

on a racetrack like the V8s in a in a test one at Norwell one at um I might

test one at Norwell one at um I might have had two one was a wet day and one

have had two one was a wet day and one dry day at um at QR and that was it

dry day at um at QR and that was it straight to the first race that is

straight to the first race that is insane doesn't seem like enough yeah it

insane doesn't seem like enough yeah it wasn't um that was

wasn't um that was clear the uh the other thing that I

clear the uh the other thing that I wanted to ask you about real quick as

wanted to ask you about real quick as well sorry I know you're right um so

well sorry I know you're right um so Jack comes back and races the bend

Jack comes back and races the bend right what would that have like meant to

right what would that have like meant to you to be able to come and just race

you to be able to come and just race more for fun like is that something that

more for fun like is that something that like was that just not on the radar in

like was that just not on the radar in like at the level that that you at

like at the level that that you at because like for me it was really cool

because like for me it was really cool to

to watch Jack like he just loves racing

watch Jack like he just loves racing like he'll go race North brzy cup he'll

like he'll go race North brzy cup he'll do a club day like he's just the kind of

do a club day like he's just the kind of guy that just loves to go on Race his

guy that just loves to go on Race his bike with his mates but that

bike with his mates but that becomes uh part of the job that's not

becomes uh part of the job that's not really possible at the level that he's

really possible at the level that he's racing at or not just not possible you

racing at or not just not possible you just shouldn't number one you're taking

just shouldn't number one you're taking risks out there with guys that are going

risks out there with guys that are going to want to dive bomb you which happened

to want to dive bomb you which happened exactly and that could have literally

exactly and that could have literally broken his femur and put him out for the

broken his femur and put him out for the start of whatever he could have had a

start of whatever he could have had a horrible accident unnecessary risks in

horrible accident unnecessary risks in my opinion um and that's this whole

my opinion um and that's this whole thing of um sacrifice there's got to be

thing of um sacrifice there's got to be sacrifice somewhere you got to sacrifice

sacrifice somewhere you got to sacrifice Motocross Al tracks just not worth it if

Motocross Al tracks just not worth it if you want to go out and you want to win

you want to go out and you want to win World Championships you have to take

World Championships you have to take things out of the

things out of the equation um also I think it puts a

equation um also I think it puts a spotlight on him that he's

spotlight on him that he's beatable he don't want that like even

beatable he don't want that like even though he went to a situation doesn't

though he went to a situation doesn't know the track doesn't know the tires

know the track doesn't know the tires the bike all the rest of it still makes

the bike all the rest of it still makes him look beatable if he went there and

him look beatable if he went there and absolutely trounced everybody then

absolutely trounced everybody then people be like oh okay yeah that's uh

people be like oh okay yeah that's uh you know that's not going to hurt his

you know that's not going to hurt his his motor GP but even his comped to your

his motor GP but even his comped to your moto GP go well you know he's beatable

moto GP go well you know he's beatable so it's it's there's a lot more to the

so it's it's there's a lot more to the thought process than just as simple as I

thought process than just as simple as I want to have fun and enjoy riding my

want to have fun and enjoy riding my bike I love that aspect but if you want

bike I love that aspect but if you want to just enjoy riding your bike then go

to just enjoy riding your bike then go enjoy riding bikes but if you want to

enjoy riding bikes but if you want to win World Championships there's steps

win World Championships there's steps you have to take sacrifices you need to

you have to take sacrifices you need to make yeah so you think that it's like a

make yeah so you think that it's like a cuz I guess I look at it from the the

cuz I guess I look at it from the the perspective of like net positive to

perspective of like net positive to extending your career mhm as like a this

extending your career mhm as like a this is something if you've got this well

is something if you've got this well then do that after your career yeah yeah

then do that after your career yeah yeah and I suppose though if it is it it has

and I suppose though if it is it it has got probably more of a chance of being a

got probably more of a chance of being a net negative than a net positive and

net negative than a net positive and especially contract years and stuff like

especially contract years and stuff like that it's like you might not there might

that it's like you might not there might not be a career to extend to to an

not be a career to extend to to an extent yeah and you know I know for a

extent yeah and you know I know for a fact that J didn't want him to do it and

fact that J didn't want him to do it and you know begged him played in all the

you know begged him played in all the rest of it and somehow got permission

rest of it and somehow got permission but that's sort of doing something they

but that's sort of doing something they didn't want you to do already then if

didn't want you to do already then if you got injured doing it I mean they

you got injured doing it I mean they would have really gone that would have

would have really gone that would have been a big big deal that would have been

been a big big deal that would have been them right like first you didn't listen

them right like first you didn't listen then you got injured you're certainly

then you got injured you're certainly not getting a contract yeah you know

not getting a contract yeah you know it's it's that critical yeah this isn't

it's it's that critical yeah this isn't just something to you know I want to go

just something to you know I want to go and have fun like look if your contract

and have fun like look if your contract is on the line your job is on the line

is on the line your job is on the line you you've got to make sacrifices it's

you you've got to make sacrifices it's simp as that and something I actually

simp as that and something I actually read it's it's kind of in context but

read it's it's kind of in context but not about people who who clearly um

not about people who who clearly um believe they deserve more out of out of

believe they deserve more out of out of what they're getting I saw something on

what they're getting I saw something on social media um it was the I think LPGA

social media um it was the I think LPGA feeder feeder thing and she's 18th on

feeder feeder thing and she's 18th on the feeders championship and it cost her

the feeders championship and it cost her money to go and play that year and she's

money to go and play that year and she's complaining that the LPGA aren't helping

complaining that the LPGA aren't helping them make money down through the feeder

them make money down through the feeder Championship I'm like I'm sorry but

Championship I'm like I'm sorry but you're 18th on the feeder cup I'm sorry

you're 18th on the feeder cup I'm sorry but you don't deserve to be making money

but you don't deserve to be making money just because you want to do something

just because you want to do something doesn't mean you deserve to do something

doesn't mean you deserve to do something yeah you've got to be at the top level

yeah you've got to be at the top level of any kind of sport to make it simple

of any kind of sport to make it simple as that you can't be on a on a feeder

as that you can't be on a on a feeder Championship going oh you know we're not

Championship going oh you know we're not making enough money out of this it's

making enough money out of this it's like yeah I I understand you want to

like yeah I I understand you want to make a career out of that but that's

make a career out of that but that's just not viable sports are not something

just not viable sports are not something you can just go make a career out of

you can just go make a career out of because you want to yeah um you know

because you want to yeah um you know it's it's not like another job that you

it's it's not like another job that you can go and get paid 9 to5 all this sort

can go and get paid 9 to5 all this sort of thing and guarantee some money coming

of thing and guarantee some money coming back in sports are a career you've got

back in sports are a career you've got to make sacrifice you've got to uh be at

to make sacrifice you've got to uh be at the front you've got to be doing all

the front you've got to be doing all sorts of things that other people are

sorts of things that other people are not and you need to be wanted so for

not and you need to be wanted so for this feeder category all of a sudden

this feeder category all of a sudden they want money from the top feeding

they want money from the top feeding down to them it's like well no you're

down to them it's like well no you're not even at the top of that feeder

not even at the top of that feeder category and even if you're you know

category and even if you're you know let's say in uh motor GP terms I mean

let's say in uh motor GP terms I mean 20th 22nd you're you're still paying for

20th 22nd you're you're still paying for your ride yeah pretty much I mean I'm

your ride yeah pretty much I mean I'm not sure of the exact situation at the

not sure of the exact situation at the moment but generally Riders and drivers

moment but generally Riders and drivers have to bring money to teams to be able

have to bring money to teams to be able to compete a lot of the time to have

to compete a lot of the time to have their opportunity so no I don't think

their opportunity so no I don't think you know these sort of categories and

you know these sort of categories and these people they might want to make

these people they might want to make careers out of sports but unless unless

careers out of sports but unless unless they're at the front unfortunately it's

they're at the front unfortunately it's just not possible yeah so yeah it's

just not possible yeah so yeah it's those sort of things that are a bit

those sort of things that are a bit frustrating that you know people what

frustrating that you know people what they believe they're worth and what they

they believe they're worth and what they believe should happen and it's coming

believe should happen and it's coming from like you just reach like the it's

from like you just reach like the it's coming from the peak of the mountain you

coming from the peak of the mountain you know when you're saying that and it's

know when you're saying that and it's like I think that's probably the

like I think that's probably the important point is that like there's

important point is that like there's just very few people that have won two

just very few people that have won two Moto GP World Championships and in the

Moto GP World Championships and in the era that you won those championships and

era that you won those championships and it's like it's a very it's very rare air

it's like it's a very it's very rare air to breathe and then you're explaining

to breathe and then you're explaining something from the top of the mountain

something from the top of the mountain to people that haven't got there yet

to people that haven't got there yet I've also been in the bottom yeah but

I've also been in the bottom yeah but that that's what I'm saying is like

that that's what I'm saying is like you're saying this from a point of like

you're saying this from a point of like I was there now I got here this is how I

I was there now I got here this is how I did it this is what you're getting wrong

did it this is what you're getting wrong yeah so I think that yeah I mean it's

yeah so I think that yeah I mean it's it's definitely like a fair thing to say

it's definitely like a fair thing to say when it comes from personal experience

when it comes from personal experience you know and that's why you know with um

you know and that's why you know with um when you get your chance and your

when you get your chance and your opportunity that's why you need to make

opportunity that's why you need to make your sacrifices because there's a load

your sacrifices because there's a load of other people waiting in line to get

of other people waiting in line to get that same opportunity and if you're not

that same opportunity and if you're not going to take it with both HS make your

going to take it with both HS make your sacrifices and and make the difference

sacrifices and and make the difference at the top then you know what why do you

at the top then you know what why do you deserve it more than the the person

deserve it more than the the person that's you know standing next in line so

that's you know standing next in line so it's it's it's tricky situation but

it's it's it's tricky situation but that's the way the sport world is yeah

that's the way the sport world is yeah and you can't just do it cuz you want to

and you can't just do it cuz you want to and reality doesn't care no you know

and reality doesn't care no you know that's just the reality of of the

that's just the reality of of the situation and but today's society

situation and but today's society believes everyone should have the

believes everyone should have the opportunity and everyone should get paid

opportunity and everyone should get paid for being not necessarily mediocre but

for being not necessarily mediocre but the people who don't necessarily put in

the people who don't necessarily put in the work and expect everything back for

the work and expect everything back for them so it's a um it's a tricky time at

them so it's a um it's a tricky time at the moment for sure yeah well uh

the moment for sure yeah well uh appreciate you mate kept you for a long

appreciate you mate kept you for a long ass time it's been a good no it's been

ass time it's been a good no it's been hey it's been a good day it has 6:30 to

hey it's been a good day it has 6:30 to now cracker I wonder if that for oh no

now cracker I wonder if that for oh no it's probably closed now I was going to

it's probably closed now I was going to say we go get your 450 and make it even

say we go get your 450 and make it even better yeah it's probably just open yeah

better yeah it's probably just open yeah re has enough time let probably not they

re has enough time let probably not they haven't messaged me so it's probably not

haven't messaged me so it's probably not there all hey I'll get if it's ready

there all hey I'll get if it's ready I'll go get it all right Casey Stoner

I'll go get it all right Casey Stoner ladies and gentlemen I appreciate it and

ladies and gentlemen I appreciate it and um yeah we'll Tee It Up next week I

um yeah we'll Tee It Up next week I reckon get there for that scratch around

reckon get there for that scratch around I want to be there for that 72 yeah

I want to be there for that 72 yeah that'd be nice might happen one day hey

that'd be nice might happen one day hey you're only a couple shots off

you're only a couple shots off it yeah just make

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sacrifices put in the work exactly put in the work once I get the body and I

in the work once I get the body and I can practice I'll be right yeah sounds

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