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got a publicist with you huh no didn't
yeah she want she didn't want me to do
this without at least definitely don't
chew that on on the Air Boom we're live
people going to get mad at you chewing
that on the air I'm hearing it right now
they like God damn it Jon Jones almost
finished you had all this time almost
finished you're going to finish that
[ __ ] thing that's that's an athlete
that's someone who works out a lot
there's like there's there's imperatives
right you got to get that food in there
nutrition is key it is key but that's
[ __ ] what are you eating what is that a
kind bar thing that's [ __ ] oh it is but
but
is that a good one is that one ones with
the five grams of sugar or one of them
caramel fake candy bar type cies yeah
five gram of sugar
definitely a little closer to that J
Jones how you doing brother I'm on the
road you know okay I understand I got to
get you some stuff to bring with you man
bring some good ones you ever uh you
ever [ __ ] with that guy uh um Primal
kitchen his uh his stuff he's got some
great stuff I I'll give you some before
you leave I love to try it yeah you're
doing the number one thing that people
get mad at on this podcast when we do
fight Companion podcast is chewing
people get furious so s there's
something about being in someone's ear
like my daughter was in my ear last
night and she was chewing she was trying
to sit on my lap and she was chewing in
my ear and I'm like this should not be
bothering me like why is this bothering
me I was having an internal dialogue I'm
like honey you're eating in my ear and
T's like what do you give a [ __ ] so I'm
eating in your ear I'm your baby you
[ __ ] I you give a [ __ ] how old was
your kid uh that this one that was on my
lap of six a how many my youngest I have
three oh great I got a 20 I got an eight
I got a six 20y old yeah wow
yeah good for you how many you got I
have four whoa John Jones yep eight I uh
9 eight six and three all girls it's
crazy right y I want to son so bad
Jeremy stev says it's the Fighter's
curse I've heard that yeah bad asses get
all girls Mark Coleman all girls yep
think Don Fry's got all
girls yeah I want his son so there's a
surgery that you can do um where I guess
they take uh my semen and they take out
all the girl um like all the girl
hormones or whatever
chromosomes injected into the wife gives
you like a 90 something per chance of
getting a little boy really uhhuh is
that legit have you Googled it uh I've
heard a lot about it I haven't Googled
it but if it's a possibility I think
we're going in that direction for the
next one yeah see that's one of those
things that I would Google I would make
sure that it's not some horeshit created
by some dude who just wants to collect
your sperm I feel like I think I heard
Kanye did that to get a boy the second
time oh yeah and Kim yeah I don't know I
obviously going to look into it uh
extensively before even trying to go in
that direction but that's the plan
hopefully it's real wouldn't you think
in some way now I'm not really too much
of a spiritual well I can't I wouldn't
say I'm spiritual but I don't believe in
I don't how do I phrase this would you
worry that you would anger the gods by
trying to [ __ ] with DNA that's so funny
that that's a great question so I I
actually thought that you know cuz
obviously I'm a religious guy um I
thought that my theory has always been
God is going to give me a son when I am
mature enough to raise a man to teach a
man how to be a man so that was always
my thing and I felt like um I felt like
God was waiting for me to get married
before uh given me and my fiance this
boy that's deep and yeah that that was
my whole Theory I was just like when I'm
mature enough and you know and when
we're married you know God feels like
we're in this good place he's going to
give us a boy and then I'm thinking you
know but if we have another girl that
trial in erir is so expensive that's 18
more years of raising some another girl
you know so cuz me and my wife already
had three um I call her my wife my
fiance she's pretty much my wife for
being together forever um so I'm like I
don't want to risk I don't want to risk
but you you think about it in terms of a
Financial Risk I I can afford to have a
thousand kids you know what I'm saying
like what are you doing people but
that's something that like gets
ingrained in your head people always say
that oh the cost of raising kids and you
start thinking about man that cost to
raise kids it's more the time yes that
time that you know you got to put in
like you know you're raising another
little girl it's all TR in air so I'm
thinking let's just put a little science
in there and wow I feel like I feel like
God gives people the intelligence to
come up with uh uh these ideas and and
these different you know surgeries or
whatever to be able to you get what I'm
saying like M God giv someone the the
idea to be able to do this so maybe he's
okay with you choose a boy or girl well
they didn't have the foresight when they
were writing the Bible to take out
genetic diversity testing or whatever
the [ __ ] they're doing what what would
they be doing like some sort of DNA
chromosomal Jazz I don't know what
they're doing I don't know I don't know
what the process is but yeah well people
I mean wouldn't you say personally that
like people who are religious almost all
of them sort of pick and choose what
they decide to agree with and not agree
with I mean you're a religious person
but you have a tattoo right of you have
a religious tattoo which is double
ironic because it says in the Bible not
to get tattooed right not to mess with
the temple right but then you got to
pick and choose right what you want to listen
listen
to yeah it's not the way it's supposed
to go either but you know we're
imperfect and he knows that do you think
when we were talking about like um
wanting to wait until or that God would
give you this opportunity when you were
more mature when you're mature enough to
raise a man do you do you think about
that like man why do I have to wait like
why am I not mature right enough right
now like if if I can internalize that
and if I can understand that like what
is the difference between me in the
future when I am mature enough to have a
man and me right now like why why have I
not learned the enough lessons why have
I not why have I not balanced myself out
enough I feel like I I'm learning
lessons every year you know every month
every day I feel like I'm growing as a
person as a man but I only I know about
some demons that I still struggle with
and and I feel as if when I'm over those
um I'll feel I'll feel ready to be able
to raise a man and teach a man how to be
a proper
man but you don't feel like you're over
those yet no you're in the middle of it
you're in the struggle um yeah
definitely kind of still in the struggle
of of of of some things you know but
um but I've definitely got over a lot of
things that I that I used to struggle
with which I'm excited about but you
know life is is a it's a work in
progress well you were telling me before
the show that you like you don't do
Instagram anymore you're not doing
anything you're just sort of laying low
you're not doing any interviews so like
before you were about to do this you're
like oh [ __ ] I haven't done anything
like this in a while yeah yeah the main
reason why I I decided to come on your
show was um I'm getting ready to do this
grappling match against Dan Henderson on
the 11th and um there's going to be a
lot of media surrounding it and there's
a lot of you know I got to do like a onh
hour phoner with a bunch of different uh
media guys and then there's a a few
reporters that's going to be there
physically to to do some interviews with
me and uh I feel like there's kind of
just like a lot of things kind of
untalked about and that you know people
are just wondering how I'm feeling and
what I'm what I've been up to and stuff
like that and I I didn't want to have to
answer the same exact questions over and
over for a thousand people so I was just
like you know what Joe Rogan has a lot
of respect amongst the MMA Community you
know his foll goes obvious beyond the
MMA Community he's a smart guy and I was
just like you know I'd rather let me
just talk with Joe about kind of
everything and get it out of the way um
but yeah outside of uh this this
interview with you I have not really
done anything publicly uh since July
when UFC 200 was canceled you've been on
a crazy ride just not just through July
but for the last couple of years you've
been you been involved in a lot of crazy
[ __ ] you know mhm what are you have you
are you disappointed in yourself with a
lot of this stuff I am I totally am I
totally am yeah what does it feel like
like like like like give me the thought
like we can go through all of them but
give me the thought like probably the
most I was disappointed in you and I
love you as a person I think you're a
great guy I love you too Gio thanks I
really do I've always had a good time
hanging out with you but I was very
disappointed with you with that car
accident thing when you ran away from
that car accident that to me was like
God damn John's in a bad place yeah it
was it I was in a bad place it was a it
was a messed up situation man I
literally I in a point of my life then
when I was winning all these fights I
was uh the it boy in the UFC um
sponsored by Nike and Gatorade and you
know greatest of all time finishing
Legends after Legend after Legend um
just really in this position where I
felt so untouchable and I just felt like
I just felt like everything was meant to
go my way in that that time in my life
um um started to I was obvious I was
smoking pot you know majority of my
career drinking me
too [ __ ] maybe it's happen to me
drinking you know every weekend pretty
much you know to the point of blacking
out just blacking out yeah just just
being Hammer you know and just being a
total party boy but still um still
training my butt off you know I'm
working really hard believing really
hard I had big goals Big Dreams uh but
just being a party boy and uh I think I
just took everything that I had for
granted because everything for the
majority of my career has gone my way
and um that that morning I got in a car
accident man I just it was it was just
it was it was a huge reality check and
it was you know I think in some people's
mind they they envisioned me you know
hitting this car and running up and
seeing that it was a pregnant lady and
then taking off running and then people
said that I came back and grabbed a load
of money which is the stupidest thing
ever why would a millionaire need to
grab cash right unless did you run back
to the car so I literally I I went
through a light um it was like a green
light that said that I could turn left
but you supposed to yield for the right
away right to to turn left and um um
person came through and I I just assumed
it was my green light to go obviously
being um not completely clear-headed and
and I ended up running into a car um I
was definitely disoriented
um disoriented from the accident from
the accident for sure just kind of like
what the hell just happened it was a
really big hit um but I was fine I had
no injuries and I just felt like well
maybe it wasn't that bad of a hit so I
literally um step out of the car
car
and I realized like seconds later I
realized my Bull's in the car so your
bowl my bow my yeah my my my yeah my pot
Bowl pot pot yeah and I wasn't smoking
weed in the car or anything like that
but it was in the car but my bull was
the head residue was in the car so I
literally I open my car door I like take
two steps away from the car and then I
go back to the car and I I like searched
the the car cuz I had it in my cup
holder and when I hit the bull fell
somewhere who knows where it flew to but
I knew I knew [ __ ] like if I can't find
that bull that's going to get me in
trouble just having a bow in my car so I
looked for like 2 seconds couldn't find
the bow and I just took off running um
did you look at the other person in the
other car no I had no clue that it was a
woman I had no clue that it was a
pregnant woman um how much time were we
talking about like from the time
literally the from the time that I hit I
had I had I I was over a fence probably
8 seconds later it was it was literally
a super reactionary like just I just
felt I hadn't been home yet I stayed at
a friend's
house I wasn't drinking and driving you
know my decision was to sleep at my
friend's house because I knew I couldn't
drive home he woke up early the next
morning to go to work and he's like John
feel free to stay here and uh you know
you can make yourself breakfast or
whatever whatever and uh the guy has a
family he has a wife and he has a
newborn baby and I didn't want to stay
at his house while he's at work so I was
just like no I think I'm okay but really
I had maybe like two hours of sleep and
um I didn't realize that I was still
wasn't ready to drive
so um you know I wake up and get in my
car and uh you know I just wasn't ready
to drive or whatnot but um why didn't
you look at the other
car because it all happened so fast yeah
sorry yeah so it all happened so fast
and um I just knew I was
uh I knew I smelt like alcohol and um I
just felt like if the police came I it
would be a bad situation for me and and
um I just thought the person that I hit
had to have been okay because I was
totally okay I was like maybe this
Collision wasn't that hard um so I just
feel like in a lot of people's minds
they see me as like
uh I knew it was this woman I saw this
woman hanging out the window crying and
bleeding or something like that and like
I just chose the lever and and I I
didn't know what I hit I didn't know if
I hit a truck I didn't know if I hit a a
punch bug I didn't know what it was that
I hit I just knew it was another vehicle
but you didn't even look no I didn't
look no no clue and I didn't go back for
cash but it doesn't make uh it doesn't
make uh what I did okay the fact that
you know I didn't go back for cash and I
really went back for my bull that's
that's no better right um whole
situation was just a shitty situation I
was in a I was in a really bad point in
my life taking like I said everything
for granted if you wanted to have a a
situation come up with just like worst
case scenario that is the worst case
scenario pregnant woman oh yeah it makes
me look like a Monster yeah it makes me
look like a monster when you found out
as a pregnant woman what was what was
going through your mind I I thought man
I am I'm done I'm done first I was
afraid that there would be some type of
uh problems with her baby because you
know obviously if she had a a difficult
pregnancy then that's that's a whole
different level of uh being in trouble
um God forbid if she was having
miscarriage um you know I would imagine
that that would be 1,000% put on me so I
thought about the fact that I went from
just partying and enjoying this career
and this amazing fairy tale life um I
went from I thought I was going from
that to like literally being in jail
being labeled as a murderer so that was
my that was my number one um thing was
just hoping that the baby was okay what
what about what were you thinking about
yourself like when you did that when you
r i mean there's no way you could be
happy with yourself that you did that I
felt terrible what were you thinking
well I I uh me and my mom have a great
relationship I'm a mom's boy um um and
then I'm the father of four daughters so
um you know if anything my my my respect
for for women is is I have tremendous
respect for women and I I try to like uh
to
I just felt like a monster I felt like a
monster you know what I mean
um I just felt terrible I felt I felt
really bad I was just I was mainly just
concerned with this woman's health and
safety and and I'm really glad that she
ended up being okay I felt really bad I
was just like dude even in the Public's
eyes like you just heard a pregnant woman
woman
like doesn't really get worse than that
but but yeah you know I had no clue I
had no clue that it was even a woman
that I hit and I felt terrible and what was
was
the what was not just the what was the
reaction from your family and friends um
you know surprisingly it was it was okay
you know
um they they they support me so much and
they love me so much and they know that
you know that I have a really uh I
believe I have a good heart they know
that I have a good heart um and they
thinking man like did anybody step in
and say hey man you got to get your [ __ ]
together oh I've had I've had a lot of
people tell me I need to get my [ __ ]
together and what was it about like what
besides that uh what do you mean like
besides this one instance what other
things have people come to you and said
hey John you got to get your [ __ ] together
together
um well kind of all of it everything
that's happened over the last you know
two years or what not uh makes people
feel like they can tell me that I need
to get my [ __ ] together I I recently I
recently um went outside to my garage my
garbage man was coming up and I was late
get one the garbage out to the side of
the road so he waited for me
and he even told me he was like he was
dping my garbage and he was like Hey man
like I'm waiting to see you fight again
like you really need to get it together
I'm like man this dud parked outside of
my my little mansion pretty much telling
me to get my [ __ ] together taking out my
like everybody feels like they have the
right to tell me to get my [ __ ] together
um and at the end of the day you know I
I sit there and I humbly take it because
they're right
uh yeah they're right but at the same
time you know how many [ __ ]
there are in this in the world you know
what I mean like so many people uh are
into all types of crazy [ __ ] yeah but
you can't compare yourself to the The
Losers of the losers I know what you're
talking about you say hey well compared
to dudes like to go out
and goats I'm fine exactly who knows
what weird [ __ ] this guy's in he's
telling me to get my [ __ ] together it's
like just cuz my shit's publicly don't
mean you're any better than I am that's
true but you know what that that
conflict is never ending and you can't
get involved in it like that that
conflict that you're starting up in your
own brain right now it's it's a
rationalization conflict you start
rationalizing your behavior versus well
a lot of other people do worse well a
lot of that is a dead end that's a bad
road that a lot of people go down to
make themselves feel better right the
only thing that can make you feel better
is to be Pure or to be clean together
yeah because like if someone comes up to
me and says hey man you've been ripping
off old ladies and stealing money from
the church I'd be like what the [ __ ] are
you talking about it doesn't make any
sense that's not true at all so if
someone says something to you that's
rude that's not true it doesn't have any
impact on you but when someone says
something to you that's rude but true
then you have to rationalize then you
have to go well what about you man
what's going on with your life maybe
you're into some dark [ __ ] you know
right that's a d that's a bad Road and
it's a it's a defensive Road and as a
fighter it's a natural instinct somebody
hits you you want to hit them back you
know somebody attacks you you will yeah
well what about your weaknesses and you
want to try to search them out and I'm
sure a lot of people go through that
when they read social Med media and they
see these Anonymous eggs on Twitter
saying mean [ __ ] to you you start
thinking I want to know who this [ __ ]
guy is and what's going on in his
[ __ ] life that is a trap man that's a
trap well you know um like I said I do
respectfully take it like I've never had
someone say Hey you know get it together
John and then I sit there and be like oh
what you know I always I always you know
you know thank you so much for caring
thank you so much for you know rooting
for me still and and I really appreciate
it and I'm working at it and and I I
seriously have been working on my
personal life tremendously and as of
right now I feel I feel amazing I feel
better now today than I did when I
was uh beating everybody's ass and you
know sponsored by the world and and like
I I literally feel better today because
I I feel like I've conquered a lot of
demons in my personal life main you feel
better meaning you feel more at peace
you feel more calm more at peace you
know like not worried about social media
all the time like that that has brought
a lot of peace to me not worried about
what people are saying not even worrying
about what's going on in the UFC like
who has the build or or or you
know just just just being Jonathan Jones
and having my my group of friends um
across the country who genu like uh
genuinely love me um focusing on on my
kids every day you know taking my girls
to Che and practice picking them up from
school dropping them off at school basic
stuff like me me and fiance um you know
being just living life being on top of
stuff yeah being on top of stuff you
know I got man no debts you know
everything's caught up everything's
everything's spot on you know things I
wanted to get fixed around the house you
know that paint chip is painted now you
know everything's just everything's
going everything is so put together
right now in my life um outside of
sports and and uh obviously haven't
having the clear mind something that I
haven't had in a long time you know I
just feel I just feel really good right
now so um as far
as and then and then also being in a
position where I don't really need to
fight again either you know what I mean
financially mean financially but don't
you though don't you though in your
mind oh yeah I I have to fight because I
have to fight because the story can't
end like this yeah well it's like the
financial thing is beautiful and
everything like that it's wonderful that
you're set for life and you can just
kick back and your children will be
taken care of and your wife will be
taken care of that's all beautiful but
you have a responsibility of greatness
there's there's very few people that
ever get to the position that you not
just were in when you won the title when
you were the youngest ever UFC
heavyweight or light heavyweight
champion not just that the youngest ever
UFC champion not not just that there's
there's also responsibility that comes
with potential right it's not it's not
just like what you've done and you know
it's what you could have done right you
you fought Alexander gipson be honest
about that how much did you train for
that fight I trained I trained for the
fight but but I um I definitely I I had
this thing where I just felt invincible
and uh I did a lot of wild stuff leading
up to the fight I definitely didn't give
it my all as far as partying and not
sleeping right M partying dring drinking
staying up all night
yeah yeah I mean when you win a fight
like that where you weren't 100% does
that sort of almost reinforce this idea
that you could do anything you want and
then man imagine if I trained next time
if it's someone big I'll train like so I
have this I'm going to share something
with I'm not sure if I've ever shared
this with anyone else before but I had
this crazy thing that I would do um
where I would party one week before
every fight and I did it throughout my
whole career and uh and this was stupid
but it was this mental crutch that I had
I literally would
one week before every fight I would go
out and I would get blacked out
wasted and my logic was if this guy were
to beat me
somehow um I I can look myself in the
mirror and say that well I lost because
fight so so it was a built-in safety net
it was a safety net yeah exactly so I
did it my whole career I I would go out
and get hammered one week before every
fight have you ever worked with sport
psychologist no but now but now I don't U
U
my um my open St per fight was the first
fight that I did not do that it was my
worst performance so I I don't think it
was your worst performance I think you
were very unjustly criticized for that
fight because I think oen St PR is a
very tough guy he's a very difficult
fighter he's very strong he's got a
brutal left kick he's athletic he moves
well I believe it was a good performance
but it was still my worst performance
see I think think oven St pu is a really
tough guy and it was a tough fight and
you hadn't fought in a long time you
were off for how long how many months 16
months or something um yeah it was it
was over a year yeah it was a long time
over a year had a lot of stuff going
yeah lot pressure you're fighting a guy
who' been pretty active and fought some
good guys had a great victory over
Shogun and looked real good in a lot of
his fights and was an upand Comer main
thing about ovin that really bothered me
was um he was he was the most um well he
was seasoned he actually has been
fighting longer than I have a lot of
people don't realize that but he was
just so um green and raw still like
skill wise skill-wise like I I don't um
I study everybody extensively and then I
come up with their patterns um I figure
out the way they Flinch I figure out
their first favorite punch their second
favorite punch their third their
favorite combinations their setups to
their takedowns when they clinch what
side of their head's going to be
literally everything I know everything
about every opponent what side they're
going to shoot whether it's going to be
a head inside head outside what am I
going to do about that you know I figure
out everything why they shoot where what
area of the cage they like to shoot
everything um and uh with oven St PR he
he he he doesn't know what he's going to
do he's he's so um unorthodox
unorthodox um you know and he gets these
random Knockouts from these weird angles
and he just Wings St he almost closes
his eyes and next thing you know he's
knocked somebody out you know so the
scary thing about him was uh he's so
unpredictable uh and so and I had a lot
on the line
um so I just said you know what this guy
is uh he's in a shell pretty much the
whole fight he was Defensive the whole
fight and uh and I just thought I I
coose through the fight um and not
really risk anything uh which I felt
like I let myself down because um
normally I would just I mean normally
when you get someone like that you just
you know take him out you know you
should I should have just been able to
take him out but I was content with
winning and I think that was I think
that was one of the first fights where I
actually just wanted to get the win get
my money go back to uh what I my actual
goal which was DC um instead of um
wanting to finish this guy like normal
so I had to really question I really
questioned myself on why
um why I was like that why I was content
with coasting well that was a fight
where you that had the most pressure on
you and any fight you've had before as
far as like people wanting to see how
you respond to the adversity outside of
the Octagon right right I agree I agree
I had a lot of pressure and I feel like
I responded great to my adversity you
know I I did all the things I had to do
to get back to
um get back to uh the stage you know I
handled all my probation obligations and
and um and I I stayed healthy I started
powerlifting and I hired a nutritionist
I looked better than ever I felt better
than ever physically um I did everything
I had to do I manned up and and and was
responsible for my actions yeah was it
Greg Jackson that thought that the
powerlifting might had a bit of an
effect on on your performance he thought
that you were doing too much of that
yeah well I was doing too much of it so
um I literally I started powerlifting um
and I took off seven months of martial
arts training I didn't show up to
Jackson for seven months and I I showed
up to this place called Zia strength
systems um powerlifting gym um um four
days a week just getting jacked getting
jacked I became I became obsessed with
lifing heavyweight and I literally did
no martial arts training and then about
four months out from uh the fight I
started to come into the room a little
bit more and then only three months
before the fight did I actually start a
training camp now why why did you do
that as far as like cardio and things
like that wouldn't you think that your
cardio would dramatically suffer from
just lifting weights oh I I did a lot I
had a lot of weight to lose cuz I had
gotten big and I uh I actually did a lot
of um a lot of cardio training but I was
also I had these new coaches new
strength and conditioning coaches who
specialized in powerlifting so I had to
almost we had to come up with a plan
together of how we were going to start
not weightlifting and doing all cardio
and even at the beginning stages it was
like okay well let's just lift lighter
weights more and I was like no no no I
need like cardio cardio and so it was
just a big learning thing that we had to
do together so these guys were they were
they involved in martial arts at all
these uh my power powerlifting coaches
no no they weren't so but and they were
giving you advice about martial arts
training so they're like sort of
learning on the job yeah kind of
learning on the job but they weren't
giving me advice about martial arts
training they they um it was just a
learning curve I don't think they had
ever worked with a an endurance athlete
the way that I am and so um mostly they
work with football players or
powerlifters they work with a
Philadelphia Eagle and a lot of
powerlifters yeah um but these guys to
their credit they were really humble and
they they listen and they were able to
and they quickly adjusted what we were
doing every day to make it more about um
endurance and not about maintaining
muscle or strength and things like that
and and I I feel like I got in really
good shape with these guys so and now
we're at a place um because I'm still
working with these samees guys now now
we're at a place where um we realize the
importance of endurance and we're going
to start way farther out and and like I
said these guys are humble enough to do
what I need them to do is put me through
some strous workouts that I think are a
great idea make sure my endurance is in
the right place so other than the fact
that you did so much strength and
conditioning or so much powerlifting
what else was like what did you feel
when you got into the Octagon when you
fought over in same PR did you feel
stronger did you feel like your
endurance had been diminished slightly
because of all this power lifting well
um like so so like I was saying I I took
off seven months of martial arts and
then I did a three-month camp and so if
you like anything if you take off seven
months of anything your your game is
going to change a little bit so
literally throughout my training camp I
found myself trying to get learn how to
fight again pretty much I felt like
timing was off my timing was off my
creativity was off the things that the
go-to moves that I used to do weren't
quite there um I would watch some of my
old training practices or my old fights
and I'm like man I'm not doing this
stuff that I was doing before um so I
was really nervous going into the I knew
that I was ready to beat DC because I
was so well rehearsed and like the the
the drills and everything were so well
rehearsed to beat DC but um as far as
going in the fight with open St PR um I
just felt like my creativity was kind of
gun my ability to improvise or wasn't
quite there and that was just from
taking off so much time uh from martial
arts so in the fight with oen st PR um I
felt really strong I felt really really
strong like picking him up against the
cage and and and uh taking them down
felt effortless um as opposed to the way
you used to feel you felt stronger I
felt I felt really strong yeah stronger
um what else um endurance felt good it
felt good it wasn't as sharp um as
normal like uh a few times when when I
took him down um I remember I wound up
in a punch and I threw a big punch and
then I wound up and then I hit hit him
again in DC said it was in back of the
head which it wasn't it was on the neck um
um
but I was throwing big shots on ens
instead of throwing uh a whole bunch of
shots and that was because I was feeling
lactic acid in my arms so um so that
kind of made me nervous that I I didn't
have the normal level of endurance that
I normally have do you think that's
because you had more muscle bulk I think
it was yeah I think it is because I more
muscle but on the bright side um and not
that this is a good thing to to injure
someone but I did break or fracture his
arm with a kick and that's something
that I I've never done before so that
showed me that definitely came that has
to be connected to just developing so
much uh Power in my hips and in my legs
it's a point of it's there's like a
balancing Tipping Point right where it's
like strength versus endurance and
trying to find that perfect line right
and right now as as I sit here today I'm
I'm uh I'm using my past experience and
you know to measure what I'm doing uh as
we speak so right now I'm strong as hell
um but my endurance is actually in a
really good place right now and I'm not
fighting until July so I'm figing out
right now as we speak when you got
really big were you doing that were you
thinking hey you know one day I'm going
to fight heavyweight let's see what I
would be like as a heavyweight you know
I didn't know I didn't know what I was
going to do at that point um I just I
just needed something to be passionate
about um something to be competitive
about while you were suspended while I
was suspended yeah and you know I I I
went through a real self-destructive
state right after the car accident and
then um how so I just started to party
more I was I was really I was really
depressed yeah the belt had been
stripped from me and and um not until
Anthony Johnson and DC fought um that
first time did I did I join the gym and
and get my get myself together why was
that just watching that fight watching
these guys competing for your belt yeah
just seeing them compete for the belt I
thought to myself man I am
wasting um I'm wasting Talent I'm
wasting everything like you know I
believe I can beat both of these guys
and they're up there and uh on TV where
I should be and I'm sitting here at home
um kind of you know living in this
depression and so um literally the next
day I called uh the I walked down there
stoned right and and uh just like hey I
need to get my life together I need
something I need something to uh be
excited about something to
to inspire me motivate me get me up get
me out out of the house and uh and I
just completely turned everything around
from that day for and just started to to
um find a new passion and and that was
weightlifting and and I I got so strong
so fast um and it became it became
everything to me like just for my
numbers to go up every week um and which
they did and I found myself really happy
again like you know squatting 500 pounds
being 64 and only weighing you know 225
you know with these really skinny legs
500 pounds is a lot of weight
deadlifting 600 lb you know there was
there are guys who have been training at
that gym for years who still can't do
those type of numbers um and I was able
to do it so I was just like man you know
I can do anything I put my mind to and
uh I just thought I was going to become
one of the strongest [ __ ] in
Albuquerque like that was my that that
was my plan well powerlifting gyms are
very competitive and guys get super hung
up on the idea of like lifting heavier
and heavier weights hooked I had uh Mark
Bell on the podcast of four and we also
did a podcast in Columbus with uh Louis
Simmons who's a world famous
powerlifting uh Guru and he's a [ __ ]
maniac and it's all with all those guys
it's all just about putting up big
numbers keeping going keeping going keep
it going heavier numbers you know yeah
it yeah I fell in love with it it's
crazy sort of discipline it is yeah it's
so it's so simple too you just lift it
up but it's very satisfying for people
looking at like who gives a [ __ ] if you
squat 500 lb but when you're doing like
yeah you're screaming yeah
exactly everybody high fives chalks
flying in the air it's the best dude I'm
telling you I love it I I I really love
powerlifting a lot you worried at all
about getting injured though because
that's a big part of powerlifting too no
I have uh I have pretty good trainers
and and um and they teach me the right
way to do things but they also allow me
to um be out of position a lot of times
too because um a lot of times people
focus on the perfect form at everything
but when you're lifting real big weight
you're not always going to be in the
perfect form so they they almost allow
me to be out of position sometimes or
not in the perfect form and still power
through positions that way you're you're
strong in a grappling sense yeah you're
strong in every you're strong in every
every every part of the movement whether
you're in good form or bad form you're
still able to lift big weight well
that's the big theory behind functional
strength right that's why people like
doing things like power cleans and
presses because it's such an awkward
thing to do with the weight and you're
you're in weird movements and you're
doing things with your whole body right
right now what are you doing these days
so these days I am uh I have just been
doing um uh are you back a bunch of
powerlifting and a bunch of wrestling and
and
Jiu-Jitsu that's been my thing lately no
striking uh no I haven't done any
striking my my whole goal is to uh not
get punched in the head at all
that's your goal well that's what my
plan is yeah I'm I'm going to eventually
alter my my workout routine to where I'm
doing a lot of myths and and working on
my versatility um working on my
versatility and and just my abilities on
my feet so you you're not throwing any
punches these days not throwing any
kicks that sounds crazy to me but my
plan is to get into that that that's not
going to last for too long but I I won't
be doing too much sparring especially
heavy sparring right but even without
doing any sparring you don't hit the bag
you don't go in no lately I've been
doing a whole bunch of wrestling in
Jiu-Jitsu wow and I'm I'm really
starting to love it too just Jiu-Jitsu
really yeah I'm I'm really starting to
love Jiu-Jitsu Jiu-Jitsu has been the
art that I've neglected the most over my
entire career and surprisingly I have
the most submissions in light
heavyweight history um I think Kim sh
Kim Shamrock is right behind me with
maybe five and I I have six Ken
Shamrock or Frank one of them one of the
Shamrock brothers are behind me for most
submissions in well Ken was never a
light heavyweight right uh I mean Ken
went to light heavyweight when he fought
Tito but in the early days like when he
was he was a heavyweight I'm sure
someone could figure figure out he was a
light heavyweight in the Tito days but
that was Ken you know later on in his
career how many submissions did Frank
have maybe it's Frank I don't know Ken
or Frank I think one of the Shamrock
brothers are right behind me on submiss
that's interesting mhm Legends Legends
of the sport yeah Pioneers man but now I
love jiu-jitsu man and well you're built
for it that's for [ __ ] sure uhhuh these
long arms man I'm I'm I'm I'm becoming a
choke M I just I'm I'm shocked like I
would assume that someone who's a
professional mixed martial arts fighter
has to at least maintain uh a
maintenance level of striking all right
constantly and and my plan is to get
back in I still July is still very far
away now when it's July how does that
work when you're suspended because this
is a question that I've always wanted to
know like if you're suspended for a peed
or something along those lines aren't
you not supposed to train with other
Fighters that are in the UFC or is that
[ __ ] I I I haven't heard anything
about about that sounds crazy right
can't train especially if you're trying
to help friends which would be very
therapeutic for someone who's on the
outside and that's you know I spent a
lot of time helping other Fighters does
that help you a lot when you're trying
to get back into things just sort of
absolutely there's always someone at my
house studying their opponents yeah
that's a that one of the best parts
about MMA and martial arts in general I
think is helping friends giving back
yeah something that's new to me too
because martial arts can be a very
selfish sport you know it's a it's a
team sport but um if you're not Point
yourself first then you're not going to
make it to a certain level so I've been
really selfish um my entire career and
um that's one thing my coaches have
always gotten on me about hey John I
know you live in New York I know you got
a family but you need to get back down
here and help these guys they have a
fight coming up and now that I live in
Albuquerque um I'm constantly giving
back and and and helping other Fighters
especially you know since i' have all
these suspensions happen do you surround
yourself with too many people that like
to party I used to you used to I used to
for sure yeah I used to um have a lot of
wild friends and when did you stop
hanging out with these people for the
car accident
um or like yesterday no after the car
accident when I when I decided that I
was going to be completely sober I uh I
let lose a lot of friends and it was
crazy because um I used to my phone used
to BL blow up on Friday nights because
everybody knew that John was going to be
buying everything that people needed
like you know like I literally
um the guy who went to the bar and um I
would just buy like 40 shots Patron
right and I'm just like and literally if
you're standing around me you're getting
a shot of Patron I'm just passing them
out right and next thing you know people
who don't even know each other they're
all hugging and I'm really good at
merging people together and having a
good strangers and great time that was
my like walking to a bar where I know
people and now I have new homies and
like everybody's just hanging out um and
so when you're like that you know Friday
nights come around 8:00 everybody's like
yo where are you going to be tonight you
know you know if I'm out there's going
to be more people around you're going to
have a way better time your chances of
getting laid is going up cuz you're
hanging out with me like it's just the
truth you know so I just had a bunch of
people around me and
um and um but since I became sober um a
lot of those phone calls they slowly
stopped they SL they slowly stopped you
know and so now um I've been sober for
uh almost 16 months and um and now I'm I
have I have the best times have the best
times I I I remember everything that
happens um my friends don't try to ever
encourage me to drink or anything and
and uh they know I'm not going to right
and um I just have the best times I have
the best times
and and I have how were you able to make
that transition did did you follow any
programs I I stopped being no I didn't I
just stopped I I stopped answering my
phone call for a lot of people um and I
um I just kind of went into hiding for a
while I just
um I just stayed away from the scene
until I felt like I was strong enough to
just not do it and um and and and it it
helped it helped a lot and now do you
ever go to bars now and order a water or
anything like that can you do that yeah
I go out I go out um and uh I'll drink
Red Bull I'll drink Red Bull whenever
I'm in a situation where a lot of people
are drinking sometimes I feel like I'm
just kind of chilling and like a little
bit too chilled out so like in order to
like keep up with a bunch of drunk
people we're talking you drink Red Bull
I'll drink a Red Bull yeah
and drink too many of those though man
that sh bad for you it's terrible for
you but I mean it's way better than just
getting turned up right right so it's
funny because I I've developed this uh
this way of just having so much fun
completely sober where a lot of times
when I'm leaving like a place someone
like hey how are you getting home I'm
like I driving dude drink yeah so it's
it's great I I really do appreciate my
sobriety I love it now you haven't you
were saying you were having a problem
with pot too yeah dude I've I've been uh
I've been a stoner since High School
yeah um is that like stopping that was
that as easy as stopping drinking or is
um it
was I think staing pot was really tough
because I literally didn't associate
with too many people who didn't smoke
that that's the way I I kind of like a
lot of people on my own team I didn't
hang out with them because I was I was
kind of one of the hard is working guys
on the team but a little bit of a bad
boy and none of my teammates were really
a bad boy meaning you smok pot um just
meaning I I was just always down for a
good time right you know what I mean so
I just kind of a lot of my friends with
people who weren't martial arts had
anything to do with martial arts and I
would always kind of associate with um
just just party people people who like
to have fun um so I realized once I quit
smoking that I really didn't know too
many people who didn't smoke so I had to
kind of start
um hanging out with people who didn't
smoke which I kind of found I thought
was just like like I it was people are
boring you said it Joe they don't talk
about [ __ ] they don't like to stare
up at space they don't want to go to the
mountains and meditate and [ __ ] cross-legged
cross-legged
position yeah I had to find people who
were just straight you know who were
always just straight and um and I had to
I had to find different activities too
right and you know because when you're
hanging out with people who don't party
you know they have certain ways that
they have fun
and it's usually based around a lot more
activities I feel like so I got into
mountain bike Mountain Biking and um you
know jogging more and fitness just you
know Fitness and things like that so now
you know Fitness is like my drug I
really love uh being strong and being
healthy um and like I do mountain biking
and Jiu-Jitsu I do a lot of Jiu-Jitsu
these days and and so that's kind of
like that's you know what I live for
outside of family of course well it
sounds to me that you've done an audit
of your life and you've like looked at
all the issues that you're you're you're
dealing with and you've decided to not
engage in them anymore have do you write
things down do you write like goals down
or or things that you demand of yourself
do you ever do that I do I have a I have
a list in my phone of different ways of
thinking that that I want to stand for
different things you you think you're
thankful for no different ways of
thinking that I oh different ways of
thinking yeah that I that I want to
stand for yeah I do like like how so
um just little things that help me uh be
patient and and to to be loving and to
to um
um
appreciate um there just I have to look
through my phone to kind
of I just I I just write down a lot of
reminders of what I stand for you know
and and how I how I view things and yeah
but I do write things down yeah
now when you look at the future and you
you see you see yourself from here on
out do you do you feel like from now on
for for my time on this Earth no more
drinking no more pot no more partying um
I do believe that I'll drink
really um just because
I coming out of high school I started
drinking in high school and I always
felt like I needed alcohol to to be cool
or to um put myself in certain situation
to to conquer anxiety or whatever um to
be a part of the the crowd and to have
fun and to relax yeah I always thought I
needed alcohol and um so I got to a
point where I couldn't just go out and
have a drink I would always get to the
point where everyone's getting crazy and
things are getting wild you know and and
um I never really had the opportunity to
develop a healthy relationship with it
it it just it just went from high school
to college when you party even more to
being a famous and being able to afford
to buy everybody drinks every night
right so I I just my relationship with
alcohol it it it became unhealthy and I
never went through a period of time
where I where I had a healthy mature
responsible relationship with it now
being sober for so long I know that I
can have one drink and feel a little bit
of a buzz and catch an Uber home or
whatnot or I know that I can go out and
and not have a drink at all and be the
life of the party I know that I can go
out and not have a drink at all and
approach someone and talk to someone
with zero anxiety or feeling like oh I
you know I can sit amongst a group of
drunk people and and know that I'm cool
in my own skin just the way that I am
and that's something I never really had
the opportunity to experience until now
and so um now I feel like I'm in a
mature enough place where um if I wanted
to have a drink in the future to
celebrate a victory or something like
that or a glass of wine at home with my
fiance I know that I could do that now
um so I just my relationship with it has
completely changed and I I believe that
I could drink in the future and not run
into some of the wild you know crashing
a Bentley into a pole right stuff like
that that that I was doing before well
when you say you believe you could you
know it's interesting I'm kind of
talking out of my ass here because I've
never had a problem with alcohol but I
know people that have and the people
that have had a problem with alcohol
they the way they describe it they're
like I can't do it like if I go back I
will go all the way right it's like that
there's a there's a thing that alcohol
does to you where it says or drugs you
know like just a little bit man just a
little bit come on we're just going to
get a little bit just a little bit just
a little shot just a little just a
little beer what's a beer everybody has
a beer come on man right and then that's
the siren song that leads you back to
the Rocks I feel like
um I had a problem with alcohol but I
never wanted to admit it like you say
had a problem did you have a physical
problem like when you got off the
alcohol did you have withdrawals did you
feel weird no I didn't feel weird no I
wasn't waking up and drinking every day
so it's a psychological thing yeah I was
I was getting hammered on the weekends
right right um I wasn't waking up and
and like I didn't need alcohol but I
always said to myself I don't have a
problem with with alcohol but then when
you uh run into a pregnant woman you
have a problem with alcohol the day that
uh something fects you the first gwi you
know it's a problem you weren't thinking
straight something was causing you to
not think straight and it was your
actions and what you chose to take into
your body and then you said all right
I'm done with that but you feel like you
could get back to that I feel I feel
like um I feel like alcohol was never
really like I was never really addicted
to alcohol I was addicted to um I just
really enjoyed partying a lot and I made
a lot of bad decisions with alcohol so
now I I I really have had the time to
see clearly
um where I went wrong with alcohol
obviously getting being a public figure
and living in a small town I never need
to be getting black out in public again
anyways it's just something that I look
back and I hear stories my boys like yo
you remember the time you f you did this
and we at that you know I'm like I can't
believe I used to get blacked out in
public and living in this small town
that I live in it's like so I I just
I've had a lot of times they evaluate
marijuana actually is something that
that I don't think I want to go back to
really I I don't think I want to go back
to you feel like you have an unhealthy
relationship or had an unhealthy
relationship with marijuana I I re I I I
was smoking way too much pot I was
smoking way too much pot literally
breakfast lunch and dinner in between
workouts uh to study film to do
everything I was just I was just uh and
for me there's some functional smokers
who can wake up and they have eight
things they were going to do that day
and they do all eight things like me I
would wake up and I I had eight things I
needed to do that day and I like oh I
got three of them done today like I'm
good with that like I just I it just it
slowed me down it slowed me down and and
now that I haven't been smoken I just
feel a lot better I feel a lot better I
feel um I feel more on my game I feel
sharper I'm thinking it's sparking up a
joint right now go ahead I'm like what
are you saying I know it's probably hard
for you to hear I know this probably
well no I mean honestly it HS everybody
it absolutely does it absolutely does
that's important and so does Red Bull
and so does alcohol and so does
everything else you know there it was it
was all day every day for me but do you
think that you um was it all day every
day because you were looking for an
escape or was it all day every day
because it had formed a habit and you
just that's what you were used to doing
it became it just became a way of life
it became a way of life for me when
you're dealing with the amount of stress
and I just the amount of uh pressure is
probably a better word of being you know
one of the great fighters of all time I
mean you're without a doubt one of the
best fighters that's ever fought in MMA
and there's so many eyes on you and
there's so much pressure and there's so
much money involved and accolades and
all these different things these the in
you know hey John we've got a business
meeting for you hey John this company
wants to talk to you about doing this
and hey John and it's just so much
coming your
way do you feel like it's almost like
you had set
yourself up in a position where you
needed like some Escape you needed an
escape valve and that's what you had
found through the drinking that's you
had found through the pot You' found
these ways where you could not be Jon
Jones for a while you could be this
black out dude at a bar all of a sudden
you feel normal you know if nor as
normal as you can feel by being a 20
whatever year old millionaire [ __ ]
throwing shots around in Albuquerque
that you You' found a valve to release
you from some of the intense pressure of
being one of the baddest [ __ ]
on the planet yeah yeah I yeah agree
with you yeah absolutely it definitely
made you feel uh for those moments um
take take your hands away from me so
that's all right she just blocking the
weird I um yeah I I do agree that it it
um nor like like normal yeah for sure
especially the bar thing especially the
bar thing like going out and just having
a good time like sometimes I I forgot
that I was a celebrity and that there
was a lot of eyes on me and but for
those moment I felt like I was like I
think that was one of my biggest
problems I felt as if I was
amongst I didn't really hold myself to a
higher standard because of who I was and
and what I did I I I and even to this
day I just feel like I'm one of the guys
like right well you are yeah I am one of
the guys like I I don't try to I don't
really seek hanging out with other
celebrities all my friends are like um
just normal average go Joe guys in and
um back when I used to party I used to
feel like that was me just not being
John Bon CH and just being one of the
guys like just doing the wild [ __ ] that
everybody does and then when something
bad happens it's like you're quickly
reminded that millions of people around
the world know exactly who you are so
it's just it's like but isn't it it's a
two-edged sword too because the people
that get completely lost in the idea
that they are this unique and special
person you eliminate yourself from all
those other folks and you you separate
yourself then it's extremely hard to
relate right there's a lot of
celebrities that go into a shell and
everywhere they go they have security
that takes in places and they get
delusional they have a they they have a
completely distorted perception of how
people interact with them because they
don't just go hang with people right
yeah and that's that's definitely not me
I I um I meet a lot of people and people
say man you just you don't act like a
you don't act famous and I'm just like
um I don't know like
I like I really have a lot of pride in
just doing what like just normal [ __ ]
like going to places that most people
even fighters in aler you don't don't go
just being amongst the people and and I
I think a big part of me long to just
kind of just be not famous sometimes now
my question the reason why I asked you
that is how do you plan on handling that
now because if you're not going to be
drinking and you're not going to be
smoking pot and you're you're you're
going to I mean right now you're living
life as just J Jones the person and
happy with your family and happy with
your life and just working out and
having a good time doing Jiu-Jitsu and
all that stuff but eventually
everything's going to ramp back up again
media obligations going to ramp back up
again all these things are going to
happen and the pressure is going to be
back on you again what are you going to
use as that escape valve
then have you considered that no I
haven't really no that's very important
I I feel like I I feel like I I have
matured in a way where um
I don't think it will affect me the way
it used to I've really got had the
opportunity to step away from it all
realize what I had and who I am and what
I was and
um and um I just feel
above what you used to be yeah I feel
above the way I used to
like let so much consum me like even
right now like I don't know it's it's
just so hard to explain I just I don't
feel like I'm in the the same I don't
feel like I I look at things the same
well I'm sure you don't I mean that's
the thing about growth and that's one of
the things that when people are haters
what they try to do is lock you down to
the old you right they try to lock you
down to you at your very worst yeah man
you remember that [ __ ] in 2010 when you
said that [ __ ] up thing when you were
blacked out that's you bro you're like I
don't even remember that I was blacked
out what did I say you tell me you know
and someone can you know someone can
believe that they are their past yeah
but we're not no you're you yeah you and
if you have not had fuckups then you
don't understand the consequences I mean
you've had considerable amount of
fuckups and a lot more than the average
person in a public sense there's a lot
of people that have done a lot of [ __ ]
up things but no one knows about it and
the rep repercussions they feel is not
the same as yours you feel the
repercussions of millions of first of
all millions of people that loved you
that were disappointed millions of
people that were jealous of you they're
like I [ __ ] told you he was going to
throw it at all away there's a lot of
that too A lot of people psych that you
[ __ ] up it's far far from throwing it
all the way I sometimes I get people
write me and say do uh say things like
oh you ruined a great career or like you
uh like people have this mindset of that
it's all over yeah I saw a lot of people
saying that people that I I I like said
that and it's like I was like you're
crazy you're an idiot you're crazy he
hasn't thrown it away I haven't thrown
it away right now there's a pause going
on but as far as it being all over or
whatever is just so far from being true
do you do you file boxing I a little bit
little bit do you know Bernard Hopkins
story no Bernard Hopkins one of the
greatest boxers of all time for sure and
he'll he'll fight December 17th for his
last fight at 51 years old cuz he's a
goddamn defensive wizard he still does
commentary for HBO still sharp his
attack but Bernard Hopkins went to jail
and uh he decided when he went to jail
when he was a young man he decided that
from that point on he was going to be
disciplined and that there's no more
[ __ ] in his life no more robbery or
assult or any of the [ __ ] that got him
into the position where he's in and then
he was going to dedicate his life to
being a world champion boxer and from
that point on he became one of the most
disciplined boxers ever never ate bad
food never drank never did anything
stupid always was in shape and we'll go
down in history as one of the all-time
greats guaranteed shoin Hall of Famer
and I feel like Bernard Hopkins was
created by the darkest moment of him
being arrested and him doing time in
jail and when he came out of that jail
one of the first things that um one of
the Corrections Officers said to him was
you'll be back and he he used that as
fuel and he knew that like there's no
[ __ ] way I'm going to look at that
dude again there's no way there is no
way he's right there's no way and
ultimately Bernard Hopkins escaped his
Demons by facing them by being in Hell
by being in hell I think he was in jail
for I forget how many years but just
enough just enough to to cement in his
eyes to harden him to the fact that what
he needed was discipline and control
over his own destiny yeah and I think that for a guy like you you can take all
that for a guy like you you can take all those dark moments that you've
those dark moments that you've experienced over this and [ __ ] man you
experienced over this and [ __ ] man you think about it man you got away pretty
think about it man you got away pretty light that girl could have died you know
light that girl could have died you know uh horrible things could have happened
uh horrible things could have happened while you were drunk driving when you
while you were drunk driving when you slammed into that that Bentley into the
slammed into that that Bentley into the tree all all these terrible things could
tree all all these terrible things could have gone wrong that you kind of got
have gone wrong that you kind of got away with you kind I mean boy I mean if
away with you kind I mean boy I mean if you wanted to think that someone's
you wanted to think that someone's looking out for you you got all the
looking out for you you got all the evidence in the world that points to
evidence in the world that points to someone actually looking out for you
someone actually looking out for you yeah God's grace for sure something out
yeah God's grace for sure something out there whether it's luck or whether it's
there whether it's luck or whether it's intention or whether it's God or
intention or whether it's God or whatever the [ __ ] it is man the bottom
whatever the [ __ ] it is man the bottom line is right now at this moment you are
line is right now at this moment you are still in your athletic Prime you're
still in your athletic Prime you're still only six months away from a sus
still only six months away from a sus when is your suspension about eight
when is your suspension about eight months yeah eight months away from a
months yeah eight months away from a suspension being released and I mean
suspension being released and I mean that's this is all a great thing how old
that's this is all a great thing how old are you now you're 30 29 29 you be when
are you now you're 30 29 29 you be when when's your birthday July 19th so you'll
when's your birthday July 19th so you'll be 30 when you come back 29 still when I
be 30 when you come back 29 still when I come back it's your [ __ ] athletic
come back it's your [ __ ] athletic Prime that's you that's at your best
Prime that's you that's at your best really your Prime is like 32 that's why
really your Prime is like 32 that's why I like um I put the uh I put the the
I like um I put the uh I put the the Jordan meme up the Jordan crying face as
Jordan meme up the Jordan crying face as my Twitter picture have you seen that
my Twitter picture have you seen that no I put that up is it with you with the
no I put that up is it with you with the belt on the Jordan face yeah
belt on the Jordan face yeah yeah
yeah the reason why I put that up is because
the reason why I put that up is because uh is
uh is because um I know that right now I'm in
because um I know that right now I'm in a position to do some magnificent and
a position to do some magnificent and extraordinary things I uh I know that
extraordinary things I uh I know that because I've made so many mistakes I
because I've made so many mistakes I make the perfect role
make the perfect role model I make the perfect person to
model I make the perfect person to to um to still be able to inspire
to um to still be able to inspire millions of people there's very few
millions of people there's very few people who are who are perfect and
people who are who are perfect and Flawless and just that clean cut never
Flawless and just that clean cut never did anything wrong athlete uh
did anything wrong athlete uh there's way more people who are like me
there's way more people who are like me who has struggled with drugs or just
who has struggled with drugs or just being an idiot or just doing wild [ __ ]
being an idiot or just doing wild [ __ ] way more people who have let their
way more people who have let their parents down let their families down let
parents down let their families down let their friends down let themselves down
their friends down let themselves down um and because because I made so many
um and because because I made so many mistakes on on such a public you know
mistakes on on such a public you know such a big scale and so public um I feel
such a big scale and so public um I feel like all the great things that I from
like all the great things that I from here and out are going to be that much
here and out are going to be that much greater because of where I came from to
greater because of where I came from to to do it I feel like um I feel like my
to do it I feel like um I feel like my Best Is Yet To Come and there's just I
Best Is Yet To Come and there's just I feel like I'm in a position to to Really
feel like I'm in a position to to Really um touch a lot of people and inspire a
um touch a lot of people and inspire a lot of people because of where I came
lot of people because of where I came from so I'm really excited um is that
from so I'm really excited um is that something you concentrate on more than
something you concentrate on more than you concentrate do you you concentrate
you concentrate do you you concentrate on that as much as you concentrate on
on that as much as you concentrate on just doing it for yourself um doing it
just doing it for yourself um doing it for doing it for other people um
for doing it for other people um motivates me probably more than doing it
motivates me probably more than doing it for myself why why is that is that from
for myself why why is that is that from all of the accolades that you receive
all of the accolades that you receive from all the fans you just realize that
from all the fans you just realize that you have all this love out there from
you have all this love out there from all these people yeah I I just feel like
all these people yeah I I just feel like I don't need it I don't need anymore I I
I don't need it I don't need anymore I I feel like I um I feel like I've I've
feel like I um I feel like I've I've done everything already I've I've been
done everything already I've I've been in all the wildest situations already
in all the wildest situations already I've had all the craziest experiences
I've had all the craziest experiences stayed at the nicest hotels I've seen
stayed at the nicest hotels I've seen the world I've ate at the nicest resta
the world I've ate at the nicest resta like there's nothing else that I really
like there's nothing else that I really need out of this uh out of this thing
need out of this uh out of this thing I've literally been there and done that
I've literally been there and done that already
already um um I feel like um I just feel like
um um I feel like um I just feel like ultimately I've already gotten so much
ultimately I've already gotten so much out of the sport and what I need to do
out of the sport and what I need to do is uh to truly get something what I
is uh to truly get something what I really need is to know that I'm changing
really need is to know that I'm changing lives like that motivates me more than
lives like that motivates me more than than anything else right now um the
than anything else right now um the story The Legacy and
story The Legacy and um so the reason why I put that laughing
um so the reason why I put that laughing meme up is cuz I'm laughing at my pain
meme up is cuz I'm laughing at my pain and my struggles right now I'm laughing
and my struggles right now I'm laughing at what I'm going through right now
at what I'm going through right now because I know my future is just so
because I know my future is just so incredibly bright and I know the impact
incredibly bright and I know the impact that I have
that I have um I know I know what I can do and what
um I know I know what I can do and what I'm going to do like right now I'm just
I'm going to do like right now I'm just I'm in a waiting period where I have to
I'm in a waiting period where I have to wait before I can show the world what
wait before I can show the world what I'm actually capable of what I can be
I'm actually capable of what I can be and what I'm going to do for someone
and what I'm going to do for someone else one day um
else one day um and it's also laughing at like people
and it's also laughing at like people who actually think that I'm out down and
who actually think that I'm out down and out like people who actually think that
out like people who actually think that my story is over or you know it's just
my story is over or you know it's just like I'm just laughing at it all because
like I'm just laughing at it all because um what I've have done is
um what I've have done is like I've seen some athletes come back
like I've seen some athletes come back from way worse stuff rape charges and
from way worse stuff rape charges and murder and attempted murder and you know
murder and attempted murder and you know all this type of crazy [ __ ] you know
all this type of crazy [ __ ] you know I've if anything I've
I've if anything I've done parted too much and I've done a lot
done parted too much and I've done a lot of stupid stuff like from being a party
of stupid stuff like from being a party boy you know I know I'm not a bad person
boy you know I know I'm not a bad person I'm not like this evil athlete you know
I'm not like this evil athlete you know I just does it bother you when people
I just does it bother you when people think you are cuz people some people no
think you are cuz people some people no no I don't I don't because when I ask
no I don't I don't because when I ask people you know it's
people you know it's like no I don't there's people who wants
like no I don't there's people who wants to believe that I'm this terrible uh you
to believe that I'm this terrible uh you know just one of the worst things that
know just one of the worst things that has ever happened in sports you know
has ever happened in sports you know people want to believe that cuz they
people want to believe that cuz they just don't want me to to be all of that
just don't want me to to be all of that can be and and it's also because people
can be and and it's also because people look at the worst case scenario and they
look at the worst case scenario and they look at the worst possibility you know
look at the worst possibility you know they look at you as this guy's had so
they look at you as this guy's had so much success so many things handed to
much success so many things handed to him that maybe he thinks he's better
him that maybe he thinks he's better than everybody else he thinks of course
than everybody else he thinks of course right of course yeah but they don't
right of course yeah but they don't think you know they don't think about it
think you know they don't think about it that way I know I know that but they
that way I know I know that but they don't think about it that way and they
don't think about it that way and they see the worst case scenario I mean the
see the worst case scenario I mean the the way it was played out a pregnant
the way it was played out a pregnant woman in a car and you get a car
woman in a car and you get a car accident you took yeah I mean it is like
accident you took yeah I mean it is like for the haters it's like a dream come
for the haters it's like a dream come true yeah it is but I can man one thing
true yeah it is but I can man one thing I've learned about myself is that I
I've learned about myself is that I can't be held down I don't I'm not held
can't be held down I don't I'm not held down very easily unless
down very easily unless you I just can't be held down man I I
you I just can't be held down man I I deal with adversity very well man I I
deal with adversity very well man I I always find a way to get my [ __ ]
always find a way to get my [ __ ] together and and dig myself out of uh
together and and dig myself out of uh situations and like and ultimately rise
situations and like and ultimately rise above situations that's beautiful as
above situations that's beautiful as long as you don't count on it right oh
long as you don't count on it right oh well I'm at a position now where I'm of
well I'm at a position now where I'm of getting in my own way and like like UFC
getting in my own way and like like UFC 200 let's talk about that I literally
200 let's talk about that I literally what happened I I did everything that I
what happened I I did everything that I could to be back in the position to win
could to be back in the position to win that belt back I was getting ready to
that belt back I was getting ready to just show this triumphant amazing story
just show this triumphant amazing story of someone who just made it through a
of someone who just made it through a hit and run situation had almost had
hit and run situation had almost had everything taken from him and and got it
everything taken from him and and got it all back and then
all back and then um and then
um I'm sorry I'm thinking about so many things that once
things that once having um so let's just talk about what
having um so let's just talk about what happened you tested positive for some
happened you tested positive for some um estrogen Inhibitors yeah estrogen
um estrogen Inhibitors yeah estrogen blockers estrogen blockers that uh a lot
blockers estrogen blockers that uh a lot of people associate with people who take
of people associate with people who take steroids people take steroids they want
steroids people take steroids they want to restart their system or if you want a
to restart their system or if you want a testosterone boost you take uh Clomid or
testosterone boost you take uh Clomid or chopine and these are these are standard
chopine and these are these are standard drugs in the steroid user world yeah
drugs in the steroid user world yeah this is a yeah all new for me yeah um
this is a yeah all new for me yeah um basically what did you take so I took a
basically what did you take so I took a I took an offbrand seis pill offbrand it
I took an offbrand seis pill offbrand it was it wasn't actual Calis but it was
was it wasn't actual Calis but it was described to me as being a Calis and so
described to me as being a Calis and so I thought it was a seis and I I just
I thought it was a seis and I I just took it so why does a guy like you need
took it so why does a guy like you need seals I have a huge [ __ ] jail it's too
seals I have a huge [ __ ] jail it's too big it's too
big it's a good answer we don't have the resources to
answer we don't have the resources to get it normally
get it normally uh yeah you know I um you partying no I
uh yeah you know I um you partying no I wasn't even necessarily partying no I
wasn't even necessarily partying no I I've taken like male enhancement before
I've taken like male enhancement before and for people who haven't taken it you
and for people who haven't taken it you literally you know you go from being
literally you know you go from being like that to just it puts the twist at
like that to just it puts the twist at the end of a punch twist at the end of a
the end of a punch twist at the end of a punch you know what I mean it like it it
punch you know what I mean it like it it it's it's a good time you know and
it's it's a good time you know and uh it's a good time that's going to be a
uh it's a good time that's going to be a quote
quote it's a good time now um what was this
it's a good time now um what was this like one of those gas station Rhino
like one of those gas station Rhino pills one of those things no I had I had
pills one of those things no I had I had a teammate basically uh tell me hey uh
a teammate basically uh tell me hey uh he was talking about how his
he was talking about how his girlfriend's are pharmacist and and he
girlfriend's are pharmacist and and he he's capable of getting all this stuff
he's capable of getting all this stuff and and all that type of stuff and I was
and and all that type of stuff and I was like well I don't do I don't do uh drugs
like well I don't do I don't do uh drugs or anything like that and he's like you
or anything like that and he's like you ever take a seis and I was like yeah
ever take a seis and I was like yeah he's like I got a seis and I was like
he's like I got a seis and I was like well you said you don't do drugs or
well you said you don't do drugs or anything like that but you had done
anything like that but you had done drugs well yeah yeah but no he was
drugs well yeah yeah but no he was talking about all these painkillers and
talking about all these painkillers and all this different [ __ ] that he other
all this different [ __ ] that he other things on top yeah that he has because
things on top yeah that he has because his girlfriend's a pharmacist and I and
his girlfriend's a pharmacist and I and he was where she getting this off-brand
he was where she getting this off-brand stuff from it's like I don't know people
stuff from it's like I don't know people get a lot of stuff from China I mean
get a lot of stuff from China I mean that's what happened with Anderson yeah
that's what happened with Anderson yeah Anderson got liquid seals from China and
Anderson got liquid seals from China and it was tainted yeah wow this look this
it was tainted yeah wow this look this happens I know for a fact it I mean
happens I know for a fact it I mean everyone knows for a fact it happens the
everyone knows for a fact it happens the the supplement industry has a giant
the supplement industry has a giant issue with the people that mix the stuff
issue with the people that mix the stuff like if you have a vat and you're mixing
like if you have a vat and you're mixing up whatever creatine or something like
up whatever creatine or something like that and right before I mean if this is
that and right before I mean if this is done in some country or some place that
done in some country or some place that doesn't have excellent standards it's
doesn't have excellent standards it's not scrupulous you could have been
not scrupulous you could have been scooping up steroids in the batch before
scooping up steroids in the batch before that you just throw the creatine in it
that you just throw the creatine in it and some of it gets contaminated they
and some of it gets contaminated they don't clean it yeah and that's pretty
don't clean it yeah and that's pretty much uh well I'll get to that but okay
much uh well I'll get to that but okay so you take this offbrand seal yeah the
so you take this offbrand seal yeah the guys like you ever you ever do like seis
guys like you ever you ever do like seis viagras and all that stuff and I'm like
viagras and all that stuff and I'm like yeah I've you know I've had Mel
yeah I've you know I've had Mel enhancement pills before and he's like
enhancement pills before and he's like oh I got Calis and I'm like oh this is
oh I got Calis and I'm like oh this is great so I ended up taking one of the SE
great so I ended up taking one of the SE Alis bills and
Alis bills and um
um um and I thought everything was fine in
um and I thought everything was fine in Dandy I had no clue um what had you know
Dandy I had no clue um what had you know that I that I was now having something
that I that I was now having something else in me that was illegal I took the
else in me that was illegal I took the seatt spill on June the 14th June 16th
seatt spill on June the 14th June 16th um usada came over to my house 6:00 in
um usada came over to my house 6:00 in the morning hey what's up guys got
the morning hey what's up guys got coffee going offering everybody water
coffee going offering everybody water bottles super nice hospitable come in um
bottles super nice hospitable come in um laughing and joking with them I had no
laughing and joking with them I had no clue that that test was going to be the
clue that that test was going to be the test that derailed my life and um you
test that derailed my life and um you know right before UFC 200 um my manager
know right before UFC 200 um my manager Mony calls me over to his hotel room and
Mony calls me over to his hotel room and he's like hey I want to talk to you man
he's like hey I want to talk to you man like what's going on he's like hey
like what's going on he's like hey you're not going to be fighting I what
you're not going to be fighting I what are you talking about he's like you know
are you talking about he's like you know you didn't F you didn't pass your drug
you didn't F you didn't pass your drug test and uh the level of hurt and just
test and uh the level of hurt and just and confusion and I I literally had an
and confusion and I I literally had an anxiety attack and I had never had one
anxiety attack and I had never had one of those before what did that feel like
of those before what did that feel like I felt like the whole room just came in
I felt like the whole room just came in on me like the whole room came down on
on me like the whole room came down on me and I was just I couldn't breathe I
me and I was just I couldn't breathe I remember opening up his hotel window
remember opening up his hotel window looking for a balcony so I could just
looking for a balcony so I could just breathe and realize that I'm like not
breathe and realize that I'm like not trapped um there's literally the window
trapped um there's literally the window opened that much I was like what the
opened that much I was like what the [ __ ] so you don't jump out like is it
[ __ ] so you don't jump out like is it hotel in Vegas where was it yeah in
hotel in Vegas where was it yeah in Vegas [ __ ] I'm freaking I'm breathing
Vegas [ __ ] I'm freaking I'm breathing they don't want G leaping through the
they don't want G leaping through the [ __ ] I'm breathing through the thing
[ __ ] I'm breathing through the thing calm myself down and um and I instantly
calm myself down and um and I instantly started thinking about the weight of the
started thinking about the weight of the I had the weight of the world literally
I had the weight of the world literally on my back I knew that I knew that I
on my back I knew that I knew that I wasn't going to be fighting a few hours
wasn't going to be fighting a few hours before everyone else knew the public
before everyone else knew the public knew and I was just I could already
knew and I was just I could already start hearing everything even my own
start hearing everything even my own coaches were looking at me
coaches were looking at me like just their hearts were on the floor
like just their hearts were on the floor like I had done so much to get back to
like I had done so much to get back to fighting at UFC 200 like getting my life
fighting at UFC 200 like getting my life in order getting the people around me in
in order getting the people around me in order getting my my health my mind you
order getting my my health my mind you know just being in order to to beat DC
know just being in order to to beat DC and and like literally right now I've
and and like literally right now I've done so much so much of the right things
done so much so much of the right things to be back in a good position and right
to be back in a good position and right now you know people look at me as if I
now you know people look at me as if I still don't have my [ __ ] together but
still don't have my [ __ ] together but the only thing that I did was I took a
the only thing that I did was I took a pill uh that I thought was going to give
pill uh that I thought was going to give me a boner and literally it's caused me
me a boner and literally it's caused me a lot of heartache and and a lot of uh
a lot of heartache and and a lot of uh disappointment and a lot of you know
disappointment and a lot of you know just threw me back you think in any way
just threw me back you think in any way shape or form when someone gives you
shape or form when someone gives you this pill and you don't know where it
this pill and you don't know where it came from you don't know what did you
came from you don't know what did you think man I don't know what's in this no
think man I don't know what's in this no I didn't no I didn't think of it because
I didn't no I didn't think of it because um I have been dealing with the athletic
um I have been dealing with the athletic commission I've been in the UFC for a
commission I've been in the UFC for a long time and I've taken little gas
long time and I've taken little gas station dick pills before like you know
station dick pills before like you know like and I've never failed the drug test
like and I've never failed the drug test ever and then you did you ever think
ever and then you did you ever think that you might have got lucky no I
that you might have got lucky no I didn't think I got lucky I thought that
didn't think I got lucky I thought that you failed drug test when you're doing
you failed drug test when you're doing sketchy [ __ ] right but didn't you think
sketchy [ __ ] right but didn't you think there might be some sketchy [ __ ] some
there might be some sketchy [ __ ] some Chinese gas station Rhino dick pill I I
Chinese gas station Rhino dick pill I I um what you know about the Rhinos my
um what you know about the Rhinos my friend Ryan my friend Brian called it he
friend Ryan my friend Brian called it he was on on the podcast he he said you
was on on the podcast he he said you know John likes to party I bet he took
know John likes to party I bet he took one of them dick pills um no um that's
one of them dick pills um no um that's funny he called it yeah well he he was
funny he called it yeah well he he was he was on um
he was on um um I have been I've taken them several
um I have been I've taken them several times before and with the Nevada State
times before and with the Nevada State athletic commission um I always pass my
athletic commission um I always pass my drug test and and I know that I would
drug test and and I know that I would never do anything to cheat the sport I
never do anything to cheat the sport I have a lot of pride in my work ethic and
have a lot of pride in my work ethic and knowing that dude I like I've been
knowing that dude I like I've been skinny my whole career whooping people's
skinny my whole career whooping people's ass I'm not a knockout artist I win
ass I'm not a knockout artist I win because I'm smart and you know I work
because I'm smart and you know I work hard
hard um but with you with the Nevada athletic
um but with you with the Nevada athletic commission I never had an issue and then
commission I never had an issue and then I was suspended when usada came so I was
I was suspended when usada came so I was never really educated on how serious
never really educated on how serious usada really was like I
usada really was like I um I came back into the game and there
um I came back into the game and there was like oh we got this new company
was like oh we got this new company named usada instead of Nevada what were
named usada instead of Nevada what were you suspended for when usada came Oh you
you suspended for when usada came Oh you mean when they came into the sport I
mean when they came into the sport I understand what you're saying not when
understand what you're saying not when they came into your house when us came
they came into your house when us came into the sport I was spended because of
into the sport I was spended because of my hit and run and so I never had even
my hit and run and so I never had even met anyone who worked for usada I never
met anyone who worked for usada I never been set down on a us a seminar what to
been set down on a us a seminar what to do and what not to do and how serious it
do and what not to do and how serious it is and what could happen if you do this
is and what could happen if you do this and only thing I knew is I had to report
and only thing I knew is I had to report where I was at like if I go to La for
where I was at like if I go to La for the weekend I got to let usada know that
the weekend I got to let usada know that I'm in LA because they can drug test me
I'm in LA because they can drug test me at any time that's the only thing I
at any time that's the only thing I really knew about usada I didn't know
really knew about usada I didn't know that doing something that I had done
that doing something that I had done several times before could ultimately
several times before could ultimately lose me a fight so um the only
lose me a fight so um the only difference was I had taken like little
difference was I had taken like little gas station pills and I've taken viaga
gas station pills and I've taken viaga before this was this teammate gave me
before this was this teammate gave me something that was seis I thought the
something that was seis I thought the only thing that it would do is make me
only thing that it would do is make me bigger and and stronger for longer
bigger and and stronger for longer that's all I thought was going to be
that's all I thought was going to be happening right I and then when I find
happening right I and then when I find out that that I just faed the drug test
out that that I just faed the drug test do you know that VI Viagra is uh
do you know that VI Viagra is uh actually illegal in the Olympics I
actually illegal in the Olympics I didn't know that yeah you can't take
didn't know that yeah you can't take that stuff the Viagra is a performance
that stuff the Viagra is a performance enhancer it's a Vaso dilator I believe I
enhancer it's a Vaso dilator I believe I believe that's how they describe it and
believe that's how they describe it and it actually has athletic performance
it actually has athletic performance enhancing
enhancing um properties to it how does it how does
um properties to it how does it how does it help you I don't know you'd have to
it help you I don't know you'd have to look into that but I think it it's
look into that but I think it it's similar to in a lot of ways to nitric
similar to in a lot of ways to nitric oxide supplements like a pre like a
oxide supplements like a pre like a pre-workout gets your gets your your
pre-workout gets your gets your your blood cells open it does something to
blood cells open it does something to open up your blood cells and get you
open up your blood cells and get you pumped I mean it does something not just
pumped I mean it does something not just to your dick but to all of your muscle
to your dick but to all of your muscle yeah yeah I don't know if I would want
yeah yeah I don't know if I would want to be pumped up during a fight I don't
to be pumped up during a fight I don't think it works that way I mean I I don't
think it works that way I mean I I don't I think it actually can possibly
I think it actually can possibly potentially help
potentially help endurance wow yeah I know but know that
endurance wow yeah I know but know that athletes take it for that reason that's
athletes take it for that reason that's why it's banned from the Olympics yeah
why it's banned from the Olympics yeah but
but um but yeah you know I understand it
um but yeah you know I understand it wasn't your intention it was not my
wasn't your intention it was not my intention I I had no I had no clue that
intention I I had no I had no clue that I needed to report this to usada because
I needed to report this to usada because I thought you know literally I was
I thought you know literally I was reporting everything else what
reporting everything else what supplements what uh pre-workout what you
supplements what uh pre-workout what you know my amino acids my protein powder
know my amino acids my protein powder like you saw I had all my stuff and so
like you saw I had all my stuff and so what happens once you find out did you
what happens once you find out did you how did you narrow it down to this pill
how did you narrow it down to this pill I literally I went through my
I literally I went through my supplements and I um handed it to I I
supplements and I um handed it to I I hired a private lab and a lawyer and we
hired a private lab and a lawyer and we started handing giving them everything
started handing giving them everything that I took which isn't really a lot of
that I took which isn't really a lot of stuff at all you know stuff that
stuff at all you know stuff that everyone should take fish oil basic
everyone should take fish oil basic basic supplements protein protein powder
basic supplements protein protein powder fish oil um you know liver cleanser like
fish oil um you know liver cleanser like or whatever um just grape seed extract
or whatever um just grape seed extract that kind of stuff yeah just very you
that kind of stuff yeah just very you know multivitamin for men basic very
know multivitamin for men basic very basic stuff okay and um and
basic stuff okay and um and then and then Gat nutrition was like you
then and then Gat nutrition was like you know we we've scanned all of our stuff
know we we've scanned all of our stuff we know it's not from that Gat nutrition
we know it's not from that Gat nutrition website though is [ __ ] hilarious we
website though is [ __ ] hilarious we went to the Gat nutrition website the
went to the Gat nutrition website the moment we found out about that someone
moment we found out about that someone said John's sponsored by Gat nutrition
said John's sponsored by Gat nutrition so we go okay let's check that out Gat
so we go okay let's check that out Gat nutrition is some [ __ ] dude is Just
nutrition is some [ __ ] dude is Just Jack they they a lot of they have a lot
Jack they they a lot of they have a lot of great great products that if you want
of great great products that if you want to get big and strong then you can
to get big and strong then you can definitely go to them you know but we
definitely go to them you know but we saw that we were like what in the holy
saw that we were like what in the holy [ __ ] is he taken oh no I mean but people
[ __ ] is he taken oh no I mean but people saw you you got gigantic from the power
saw you you got gigantic from the power completely completely uh completely
completely completely uh completely natural that's I have great pride in
natural that's I have great pride in being a natural athlete but
being a natural athlete but um but uh so they got they got all the
um but uh so they got they got all the Gat stuff tested and clear right
Gat stuff tested and clear right everything was clear um does Gat have
everything was clear um does Gat have other things that us don't regulate
other things that us don't regulate absolutely but the things that they gave
absolutely but the things that they gave me they're super smart about and uh and
me they're super smart about and uh and all the productss I was thinking were
all the productss I was thinking were clear and um and uh so my manager was
clear and um and uh so my manager was like think outside of the box like did
like think outside of the box like did you take anything that could have
you take anything that could have possibly been and I was like I don't
possibly been and I was like I don't think so then I was like well one of my
think so then I was like well one of my teammates did give me this this dig pill
teammates did give me this this dig pill and he's like I need those so we got
and he's like I need those so we got those pills tested and sure enough they
those pills tested and sure enough they uh and their ingredients they
uh and their ingredients they listed about five products in their
listed about five products in their ingredients and they actually
ingredients and they actually uh there was actually like seven
uh there was actually like seven products uh two that weren't listed in
products uh two that weren't listed in the ingredients the two estrogen
the ingredients the two estrogen blockers were never in their ingredients
blockers were never in their ingredients U so um it was a tainted
U so um it was a tainted pill you understand what I'm saying yes
pill you understand what I'm saying yes so
so um so the usada was able to tell okay
um so the usada was able to tell okay this was totally in intentional there's
this was totally in intentional there's no way in no way in hell
no way in no way in hell um John would take these Esten blockers
um John would take these Esten blockers first of all it was very small traces so
first of all it was very small traces so it wasn't like I was loaded up with
it wasn't like I was loaded up with estrogen blockers right and um why the
estrogen blockers right and um why the [ __ ] would they put estr blockers in a
[ __ ] would they put estr blockers in a dick pill dick pill uh we believe that
dick pill dick pill uh we believe that uh the factory that created these these
uh the factory that created these these dick pills um were maybe manufacturing
dick pills um were maybe manufacturing these pills in a dirty laboratory or
these pills in a dirty laboratory or whatever and there were because con just
whatever and there were because con just tainted yes because each pill that we
tainted yes because each pill that we that we had tested some of them had more
that we had tested some of them had more estrogen blockers some had almost no EST
estrogen blockers some had almost no EST blockers some had small traces actually
blockers some had small traces actually none of the pills were consistent so it
none of the pills were consistent so it was obvious that and we we tested
was obvious that and we we tested several different packages so it was
several different packages so it was obvious that that these pills were
obvious that that these pills were probably getting made in the same
probably getting made in the same machine and there was just traces right
machine and there was just traces right uh literally we enough to show up in
uh literally we enough to show up in your system when you get drug literally
your system when you get drug literally we found some of these dick pills that
we found some of these dick pills that had none no estrogen blockers you're
had none no estrogen blockers you're like damn why did I get that one yeah
like damn why did I get that one yeah exactly so I I took one that was just
exactly so I I took one that was just contaminated enough and literally I got
contaminated enough and literally I got tested 2 days later and it was in my
tested 2 days later and it was in my system so it was it was obvious that it
system so it was it was obvious that it was complete accident right and even and
was complete accident right and even and uh even if I would have reported the
uh even if I would have reported the dick pill to yada they would have read
dick pill to yada they would have read the label and the label would have never
the label and the label would have never said that it was ex Blocker in there and
said that it was ex Blocker in there and I still would have had a dirty right
I still would have had a dirty right because Anam contaminated pill where
because Anam contaminated pill where does that leave you how much time did
does that leave you how much time did they suspend you for I got suspended for
they suspend you for I got suspended for for a year back from starting from back
for a year back from starting from back in July so now I fight in july of 20 I
in July so now I fight in july of 20 I love you I love what they're doing I
love you I love what they're doing I don't agree with things like that I
don't agree with things like that I don't agree with things like that
don't agree with things like that because what you took does not enhance
because what you took does not enhance your performance it it's especially in
your performance it it's especially in such a trace amount I feel like in
such a trace amount I feel like in certain circumstances like there's been
certain circumstances like there's been several Fighters like Chad Mendes um he
several Fighters like Chad Mendes um he has uh I believe he has eczema and he
has uh I believe he has eczema and he was taking an eczema cream that had some
was taking an eczema cream that had some sort of uh was it a hormone precursor or
sort of uh was it a hormone precursor or a hormone peptide I believe some sort of
a hormone peptide I believe some sort of uh hormone peptide I think that enhances
uh hormone peptide I think that enhances uh the the
uh the the the use of this cream I don't I don't
the use of this cream I don't I don't know the full I'm obviously not a doctor
know the full I'm obviously not a doctor or a scientist but I'm there's something
or a scientist but I'm there's something about suspending someone for something
about suspending someone for something like that that seems ridiculous yeah
like that that seems ridiculous yeah well in my situation they
they the the even you's lawyer he show he showed a little bit of remorse I I
he showed a little bit of remorse I I can feel that he felt bad about what was
can feel that he felt bad about what was happening to me cuz I think he could
happening to me cuz I think he could really even the arbitrators they could
really even the arbitrators they could tell what had actually happened right
tell what had actually happened right but their problem was um they said John
but their problem was um they said John it was just negligent like you didn't
it was just negligent like you didn't you should have reported this pill but
you should have reported this pill but that doesn't it seems to me that's silly
that doesn't it seems to me that's silly that mean that's not but even if I would
that mean that's not but even if I would have reported the pill they would have
have reported the pill they would have read the ingredients and they would have
read the ingredients and they would have never saw that there was a trace of of
never saw that there was a trace of of something that wasn't advertised so why
something that wasn't advertised so why why suspend someone for something like
why suspend someone for something like that because they they because they said
that because they they because they said they was Zero Tolerance policy it was
they was Zero Tolerance policy it was just like I was the first fighter to
just like I was the first fighter to ever take them to into arbitration and
ever take them to into arbitration and and and they were more upset that I
and and they were more upset that I didn't let them know that I took the
didn't let them know that I took the pill than what actually
pill than what actually happened there was like the rule is you
happened there was like the rule is you tell us what you take and we can point
tell us what you take and we can point you in a different direction right but I
you in a different direction right but I never told him what I took my whole
never told him what I took my whole argument was even if I told you what I
argument was even if I told you what I took right it still was never on the
took right it still was never on the label yeah so unless you guys were going
label yeah so unless you guys were going to spend all the money to take it to a
to spend all the money to take it to a private lab or take it to a laboratory
private lab or take it to a laboratory to test this individual pill you get
to test this individual pill you get what I'm saying I still would have ran
what I'm saying I still would have ran into the same situation I think it's
into the same situation I think it's great to protect people from people that
great to protect people from people that ACH
ACH I don't think it's great to pun someone
I don't think it's great to pun someone for taking something that has a trace
for taking something that has a trace amount of something that does them
amount of something that does them absolutely no benefit whatsoever and
absolutely no benefit whatsoever and clearly and wasn't supposed to be in
clearly and wasn't supposed to be in that pill and wasn't supposed to be in
that pill and wasn't supposed to be in that pill and clearly wasn't being taken
that pill and clearly wasn't being taken to enhance athletic performance right
to enhance athletic performance right that seems silly it seems like a mess
that seems silly it seems like a mess right it seems like a mess that I mean I
right it seems like a mess that I mean I I understand there's zero tolerance
I understand there's zero tolerance policy I don't agree with it in this or
policy I don't agree with it in this or the Chad Mena situation you know there's
the Chad Mena situation you know there's there's weird ones like yoel Romero he
there's weird ones like yoel Romero he he tested positive for something they
he tested positive for something they found out that it was uh in one of the
found out that it was uh in one of the protein powders or something he was
protein powders or something he was taking it wasn't supposed to be in there
taking it wasn't supposed to be in there wasn't listed that way and they gave him
wasn't listed that way and they gave him an abbreviated sentence he should have
an abbreviated sentence he should have had no no no punishment whatsoever but
had no no no punishment whatsoever but um I mean my whole thing Joe is I'm so
um I mean my whole thing Joe is I'm so grateful um I'm so optimistic man and
grateful um I'm so optimistic man and I'm always looking for light in every
I'm always looking for light in every situation
situation um and I think that's the way I deal
um and I think that's the way I deal with things I just I'm always I always
with things I just I'm always I always believe there's going to be good at the
believe there's going to be good at the end of the day um that's just how I am
end of the day um that's just how I am and I'm just so grateful where most
and I'm just so grateful where most people will be so upset with themselves
people will be so upset with themselves and all this type of stuff I'm really
and all this type of stuff I'm really not I'm upset about the fans that I let
not I'm upset about the fans that I let down who flew out to UFC 200 and things
down who flew out to UFC 200 and things like that but as far as the whole
like that but as far as the whole situation I'm just glad that that my my
situation I'm just glad that that my my name would no longer be associated with
name would no longer be associated with steroids I'd rather be boner boy or
steroids I'd rather be boner boy or whatever you want to call me you know
whatever you want to call me you know whatever you want to call me but
whatever you want to call me but steroids that that was that would have
steroids that that was that would have really that was really bothering me so
really that was really bothering me so I'm just glad that it's out what
I'm just glad that it's out what actually happened why did they choose to
actually happened why did they choose to suspend you for so long um just just
suspend you for so long um just just because because of the negligence behind
because because of the negligence behind it they didn't like the fact that I that
it they didn't like the fact that I that I was handed a a sex pill and I never
I was handed a a sex pill and I never returned it I never turned it into uh
returned it I never turned it into uh them to check it out and if they did
them to check it out and if they did they still would have kicked you off a
they still would have kicked you off a UFC 200 and if yeah exactly so I I don't
UFC 200 and if yeah exactly so I I don't know Ian they would have given you a
know Ian they would have given you a more maybe a more abbreviated suspension
more maybe a more abbreviated suspension but still it's
but still it's just it just seems ridiculous wonder I
just it just seems ridiculous wonder I wonder when we hand pills into usada or
wonder when we hand pills into usada or hand anything into the usada do they
hand anything into the usada do they read the label and say oh yeah you can
read the label and say oh yeah you can take this or do they actually take it
take this or do they actually take it somewhere and test it I'm sure they read
somewhere and test it I'm sure they read the label I mean if they so we still
the label I mean if they so we still would have been in the same position
would have been in the same position yeah they're not going to test things I
yeah they're not going to test things I mean that's that's expensive and if it
mean that's that's expensive and if it doesn't say it's on there there's no
doesn't say it's on there there's no reason I mean if somebody gives you way
reason I mean if somebody gives you way protein powder well hey let's test this
protein powder well hey let's test this and make sure that it doesn't have
and make sure that it doesn't have Clomid in it or whatever it would take
Clomid in it or whatever it would take weeks to get it back and it'll cost
weeks to get it back and it'll cost thousands of dollars and if you're were
thousands of dollars and if you're were doing that for every UFC fighter so yeah
doing that for every UFC fighter so yeah that's my whole thing I'm like even if I
that's my whole thing I'm like even if I would have told you guys I took it you
would have told you guys I took it you guys would have read the label and and
guys would have read the label and and gave me the okay mhm right because we're
gave me the okay mhm right because we're allowed to have what's in vagar and seis
allowed to have what's in vagar and seis and us we're those are actually allowed
and us we're those are actually allowed to but because mine was tainted and I
to but because mine was tainted and I didn't ask they were just like well you
didn't ask they were just like well you never asked so we're going to suspend
never asked so we're going to suspend you so I don't really know why they
you so I don't really know why they decided to go ahead with the full
decided to go ahead with the full maximum punishment but I I I tend not to
maximum punishment but I I I tend not to just question things I I I'm so I'm
just question things I I I'm so I'm really young and and you know I believe
really young and and you know I believe that my best years in my Prime is even
that my best years in my Prime is even still ahead of me so I'm not even
still ahead of me so I'm not even tripping about it I'm like you know
tripping about it I'm like you know whatever like you know I believe in God
whatever like you know I believe in God so I try to always Point things back
so I try to always Point things back towards God and I'm just saying you know
towards God and I'm just saying you know maybe this is God's plan for me maybe I
maybe this is God's plan for me maybe I need this time away from the sport um
need this time away from the sport um just to continue working on my own
just to continue working on my own personal development and growth as a man
personal development and growth as a man and and I I do believe I'm in a good
and and I I do believe I'm in a good place right now so I'm excited to see
place right now so I'm excited to see where I'll be in July um when it's time
where I'll be in July um when it's time for me to actually compete again when in
for me to actually compete again when in July Are You released uh I think around
July Are You released uh I think around July
July uh when was UFC 200 July 8th July 5th no
uh when was UFC 200 July 8th July 5th no UFC 200 was December 10th or 11th
UFC 200 was December 10th or 11th December 11th no that was I'm sorry that
December 11th no that was I'm sorry that was uh UFC 205
was uh UFC 205 UFC 200 was ju July July 9th okay so
UFC 200 was ju July July 9th okay so July 7th I'll be eligible to fight two
July 7th I'll be eligible to fight two days before UFC 200 July 7th 2017 I'll
days before UFC 200 July 7th 2017 I'll be able to compete and I'd like to fight
be able to compete and I'd like to fight right in July yeah there's a big UFC
right in July yeah there's a big UFC July 4th card that we put on every year
July 4th card that we put on every year but you're GNA miss
but you're GNA miss that
that um what do you think now when you look
um what do you think now when you look at the UFC title picture Cormier just
at the UFC title picture Cormier just had a pull out he injured himself and uh
had a pull out he injured himself and uh Rumble Johnson decided not to fight
Rumble Johnson decided not to fight musasi he decided to step back and wait
musasi he decided to step back and wait for Cormier I don't blame him yeah I
for Cormier I don't blame him yeah I don't blame him I think that's a I think
don't blame him I think that's a I think that's a smart idea um musasi is capable
that's a smart idea um musasi is capable he's a very smart fighter of beating
he's a very smart fighter of beating Rumble Johnson and
um it's a highrisk low low return yeah low return why why do you need to beat
low return why why do you need to beat uh musasi yeah yeah yeah the title fight
uh musasi yeah yeah yeah the title fight picture is sort of waiting a lot of it
picture is sort of waiting a lot of it is waiting on you it's a big part of it
is waiting on you it's a big part of it waiting on you to return yeah I'm
waiting on you to return yeah I'm excited to go back and get my baby have
excited to go back and get my baby have they had conversations with you about
they had conversations with you about when you do return what kind of Fight
when you do return what kind of Fight You would have would you go right to a
You would have would you go right to a title fight would you fight a contender
title fight would you fight a contender no one has no one has spoke to me about
no one has no one has spoke to me about uh whether I get an immediate shot or uh
uh whether I get an immediate shot or uh whether they make me uh fight at least
whether they make me uh fight at least once or twice before or no I have no
once or twice before or no I have no clue what they're actually planning on
clue what they're actually planning on doing but how often do you communicate
doing but how often do you communicate with the UFC I I literally haven't
with the UFC I I literally haven't spoken to Dana White uh
spoken to Dana White uh since uh like a week before UFC 200 now
since uh like a week before UFC 200 now that the um UFC's been
that the um UFC's been oh actually not a week before fight week
oh actually not a week before fight week of UFC 200 yes anyways now the UFC has
of UFC 200 yes anyways now the UFC has been sold and there's these new owners
been sold and there's these new owners what's your thoughts on all this uh I'm
what's your thoughts on all this uh I'm excited to um to get to know the new
excited to um to get to know the new owners of the UFC I don't I don't I've
owners of the UFC I don't I don't I've had a few interactions with Ari before
had a few interactions with Ari before um but um obviously I've never dealt
um but um obviously I've never dealt with them on a business level um but I'm
with them on a business level um but I'm excited I I do miss Lorenzo vertia I I
excited I I do miss Lorenzo vertia I I think I had a great relationship with
think I had a great relationship with him um he was always the calm cool
him um he was always the calm cool Collective one the one I actually you
Collective one the one I actually you know like
know like leave emo motion behind and and and like
leave emo motion behind and and and like really have a a good conversation with
really have a a good conversation with so you know we had a great relationship
so you know we had a great relationship in that way
in that way um but um I'm I'm excited about the new
um but um I'm I'm excited about the new leadership yeah it's interesting right
leadership yeah it's interesting right it's a a new chapter and it is's a lot
it's a a new chapter and it is's a lot of who knows that that's what gets
of who knows that that's what gets exciting and they're they're obviously
exciting and they're they're obviously very entertainment business savvy and uh
very entertainment business savvy and uh see where it where it leads to mhm um
see where it where it leads to mhm um when you look at the state of uh mixed
when you look at the state of uh mixed marshal Arts today what problems do you
marshal Arts today what problems do you see in in
MMA H do you do you see anything that stands out glaringly like here's here's
stands out glaringly like here's here's some things that I think about um weight
some things that I think about um weight cutting weight cutting is a giant issue
cutting weight cutting is a giant issue when you see all this work that's being
when you see all this work that's being put in by usada to make sure that people
put in by usada to make sure that people aren't taking things to the point where
aren't taking things to the point where someone like you who's taking something
someone like you who's taking something that's not a performance enhancer gets
that's not a performance enhancer gets suspended for a year and the idea is
suspended for a year and the idea is that you're supposed to be protecting
that you're supposed to be protecting Fighters from someone who's doing
Fighters from someone who's doing something that's dangerous right that's
something that's dangerous right that's the the take behind it the cheating and
the the take behind it the cheating and somehow could cause potential danger or
somehow could cause potential danger or damage to people but what about weight
damage to people but what about weight cutting man is I mean isn't extreme
cutting man is I mean isn't extreme weight cutting one of the most dangerous
weight cutting one of the most dangerous things um so we're going to to put this
things um so we're going to to put this on pause I have to peace oh okay go
on pause I have to peace oh okay go ahead go ahead PE I'm drinking this
ahead go ahead PE I'm drinking this water and
water and coffee one second talk about weight
coffee one second talk about weight cutting John's GNA be right back go
cutting John's GNA be right back go right to that door take the eggs on the
right to that door take the eggs on the light and don't let your publicist talk
light and don't let your publicist talk you out of coming back in here she's
you out of coming back in here she's probably listening
probably listening interesting very forthcoming with the
interesting very forthcoming with the boner pill talk I think that's important
boner pill talk I think that's important I mean if anyone's going to believe him
I mean if anyone's going to believe him that's the only way to to really get it
that's the only way to to really get it out there I [ __ ] hate weight cutting
out there I [ __ ] hate weight cutting I do um I had a conversation with uh Ari
I do um I had a conversation with uh Ari Emanuel about it and I'm going to have a
Emanuel about it and I'm going to have a conversation uh soon with novitzki about
conversation uh soon with novitzki about it I just think is the most it's the
it I just think is the most it's the most unnecessary and dangerous aspect in
most unnecessary and dangerous aspect in fighting the most important aspect in
fighting the most important aspect in fighting
fighting is Fighters being healthy and in shape
is Fighters being healthy and in shape and competing to the best their
and competing to the best their abilities and if there's anything that
abilities and if there's anything that inhibits that other than not training
inhibits that other than not training it's the dehydration effect of weight
it's the dehydration effect of weight cutting I think weight cutting is it's
cutting I think weight cutting is it's terrible and now that they they can't
terrible and now that they they can't use IVs I'm obviously again I hate to
use IVs I'm obviously again I hate to have to say this again I'm not a doctor
have to say this again I'm not a doctor so I don't know what what is the most
so I don't know what what is the most effective method of rehydrating but I've
effective method of rehydrating but I've talked to doctors and I guess they vary
talked to doctors and I guess they vary in their opinions cuz some people say
in their opinions cuz some people say it's orally is the best way through W
it's orally is the best way through W you know drinking water slowly but some
you know drinking water slowly but some people say it's not some doctors say no
people say it's not some doctors say no IV is a far superior method especially
IV is a far superior method especially when it comes to rehydrating the brain
when it comes to rehydrating the brain which could take as much as 72 hours um
which could take as much as 72 hours um I think it's interesting that in boxing
I think it's interesting that in boxing most of the deaths have come from the uh
most of the deaths have come from the uh lighter weight divisions um and they
lighter weight divisions um and they attribute that also to weight cutting
attribute that also to weight cutting and dehydration hey so yeah my said that
and dehydration hey so yeah my said that I've talken way too much and we're going
I've talken way too much and we're going to have to end this thing I knew it I
to have to end this thing I knew it I knew it she's like you said too much
knew it she's like you said too much about the dick pills mom on the dick
about the dick pills mom on the dick pills longer faster harder Jones
really how much weight do you cut um I don't really cut a lot of weight at all
don't really cut a lot of weight at all I um
I um I I get myself down to
I I get myself down to about
about 220 um on fight week and then what do
220 um on fight week and then what do you weigh right now right now I'm
you weigh right now right now I'm 230 232 2 30 uh but I get myself down to
230 232 2 30 uh but I get myself down to about 220 during fight week and then I
about 220 during fight week and then I make sure that uh the day of wein I I
make sure that uh the day of wein I I cut about 5 pounds of water that's
cut about 5 pounds of water that's nothing no it's nothing but that's a
nothing no it's nothing but that's a testament to just you know preparation
testament to just you know preparation yeah I've been doing it for so long now
yeah I've been doing it for so long now I know my job is to be you know to have
I know my job is to be you know to have my way together when you see Conor
my way together when you see Conor McGregor weighing at 145 and he looks
McGregor weighing at 145 and he looks like like death right you know that when
like like death right you know that when I see those that that's what scares the
I see those that that's what scares the [ __ ] out of me when I see people that
[ __ ] out of me when I see people that are just clearly cutting way too much
are just clearly cutting way too much weight or the worst one I ever saw was
weight or the worst one I ever saw was Travis lutter when he fought Anderson
Travis lutter when he fought Anderson Silva Travis lutter he had like his lips
Silva Travis lutter he had like his lips were dried up and cracked and he was
were dried up and cracked and he was shuffling to the scale like he couldn't
shuffling to the scale like he couldn't walk he didn't have the strength to pick
walk he didn't have the strength to pick his feet up and walk he was like just
his feet up and walk he was like just shuffling towards and he still didn't
shuffling towards and he still didn't make the weight yeah it's shitty but
make the weight yeah it's shitty but scares me the most because uh there's
scares me the most because uh there's not a lot of options when it comes to
not a lot of options when it comes to weight classes if someone's 185 and they
weight classes if someone's 185 and they go you know man I'm having a hard time
go you know man I'm having a hard time fighting 185 then they look at you and
fighting 185 then they look at you and they're like [ __ ] that this is 205
they're like [ __ ] that this is 205 that's a 20 lb jump right 20 lbs is a
that's a 20 lb jump right 20 lbs is a big jump it's huge yeah yeah as far as
big jump it's huge yeah yeah as far as weight cutting for me I just you know
weight cutting for me I just you know it's never really been an issue uh for
it's never really been an issue uh for me I've always made weight I've never
me I've always made weight I've never come close to missing weight um I just
come close to missing weight um I just think but aren't you lucky though that
think but aren't you lucky though that you're in the neighborhood of 205 like
you're in the neighborhood of 205 like what if you were just a little bigger
what if you were just a little bigger and you know then you're in the
and you know then you're in the heavyweight Division if I was a little
heavyweight Division if I was a little bigger then I I would I would go to
bigger then I I would I would go to heavyweight um but you know part of of
heavyweight um but you know part of of our of our job is to uh keep our weight
our of our job is to uh keep our weight under control you know you know if you
under control you know you know if you know you're going to be fighting at 205
know you're going to be fighting at 205 you have no business walking around at
you have no business walking around at you know uh 250 right you know what I
you know uh 250 right you know what I mean so you know you
mean so you know you just you know do you think there's
just you know do you think there's enough weight classes no I I would like
enough weight classes no I I would like there to be at least another weight
there to be at least another weight class when it comes to as big boys you
class when it comes to as big boys you know what I mean I would love it if
know what I mean I would love it if there a 225 like a 225 yeah I believe if
there a 225 like a 225 yeah I believe if there was a 225 P weight class I'd be
there was a 225 P weight class I'd be I'd be a two belt holder myself do you
I'd be a two belt holder myself do you feel like that would be a better weight
feel like that would be a better weight class for you uh I I I love 205 I make
class for you uh I I I love 205 I make 205 just fine uh but 225 I I compete
205 just fine uh but 225 I I compete against 225 founder any day you know
against 225 founder any day you know face the guy who's showing up fight
face the guy who's showing up fight night at you know 240 or whatever you
night at you know 240 or whatever you know I Spar against heavyweights pretty
know I Spar against heavyweights pretty much every you know I've been doing it
much every you know I've been doing it my whole career anyway so um it'd be
my whole career anyway so um it'd be great to see uh some something that
great to see uh some something that bridges that Gap a little bit from 205
bridges that Gap a little bit from 205 to 265 yeah I would like to see it I
to 265 yeah I would like to see it I would like to see between 55 and 70 70
would like to see between 55 and 70 70 and 85 5 just just 15 lbs is a giant
and 85 5 just just 15 lbs is a giant leap 20 lbs from 85 to 205 and then of
leap 20 lbs from 85 to 205 and then of course 205 to heavyweight that's a huge
course 205 to heavyweight that's a huge leap that's 65 lbs that's gigantic yeah
leap that's 65 lbs that's gigantic yeah a lot of people are like why don't you
a lot of people are like why don't you go up to heavyweight and try to win the
go up to heavyweight and try to win the belt there I'm just like you realize
belt there I'm just like you realize what you're asking me to do like these
what you're asking me to do like these these guys are very skilled these guys
these guys are very skilled these guys are very skilled and and and they they
are very skilled and and and they they can weigh what 60 pounds more than me
can weigh what 60 pounds more than me that's that's very dangerous but but
that's that's very dangerous but but have you thought about doing heavyweight
have you thought about doing heavyweight I I do want to challenge uh the
I I do want to challenge uh the heavyweight title um but I'm waiting for
heavyweight title um but I'm waiting for the perfect opponent and when you do do
the perfect opponent and when you do do that when you challenge for the
that when you challenge for the heavyweight title are you going to gain
heavyweight title are you going to gain weight or you going to fight at the
weight or you going to fight at the weight you're at I I I'll fight right
weight you're at I I I'll fight right around uh 2 2:30 so you'll just not lose
around uh 2 2:30 so you'll just not lose any weight at all yeah I I would try to
any weight at all yeah I I would try to eat a lot and make sure my endurance and
eat a lot and make sure my endurance and Speed and Agility is where it needs to
Speed and Agility is where it needs to be and uh I've beaten up a lot of
be and uh I've beaten up a lot of heavyweights man you know only people
heavyweights man you know only people who are at Jackson have seen that I've
who are at Jackson have seen that I've submitted a lot of heavyweights I've
submitted a lot of heavyweights I've slam Amed a lot of heavy weights I've
slam Amed a lot of heavy weights I've May handled a lot of heavy weights but
May handled a lot of heavy weights but um but um and I've done it right at the
um but um and I've done it right at the weight I am now so um I know that that I
weight I am now so um I know that that I uh that I'm capable I just want to make
uh that I'm capable I just want to make sure that I I compete against the the
sure that I I compete against the the right stylistic matchup for me when I do
right stylistic matchup for me when I do go to heavyweight and challenge for that
go to heavyweight and challenge for that title one of the things you said earlier
title one of the things you said earlier that I thought was really interesting is
that I thought was really interesting is you said you're not going to spar hard
you said you're not going to spar hard again yeah no not until this time I feel
again yeah no not until this time I feel like I've I've been majorly preserving
like I've I've been majorly preserving myself so um leading up to the oven St
myself so um leading up to the oven St proof fight I I took almost I took no
proof fight I I took almost I took no concussions whatsoever and then I've
concussions whatsoever and then I've been uh suspended now for another year
been uh suspended now for another year and I I've taken no concussions so um
and I I've taken no concussions so um while I feel like a lot of these guys
while I feel like a lot of these guys are in this race to to get better I'm
are in this race to to get better I'm I'm getting a lot better I'm getting a
I'm getting a lot better I'm getting a lot stronger my wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu
lot stronger my wrestling and Jiu-Jitsu is getting a lot sharper um but I've
is getting a lot sharper um but I've I've
I've completely my brain is is feeling great
completely my brain is is feeling great right now I haven't been polluting it
right now I haven't been polluting it with [ __ ] and I haven't damaged it and
with [ __ ] and I haven't damaged it and so I just feel like uh you got the best
so I just feel like uh you got the best fighter in light heavyweight history
fighter in light heavyweight history who's still the youngest guy in the
who's still the youngest guy in the division um who hasn't taken any damage
division um who hasn't taken any damage whatsoever and is completely
whatsoever and is completely regenerating himself and I'm going to
regenerating himself and I'm going to come back and have this explo explosive
come back and have this explo explosive second half of a career now there's a
second half of a career now there's a lot of guys that are doing that now
lot of guys that are doing that now where they're not sparring hard um
where they're not sparring hard um Cowboy barely spars at all I don't think
Cowboy barely spars at all I don't think he even spars he does like some
he even spars he does like some technical sparring where you know it's
technical sparring where you know it's just tap touch just move around but
just tap touch just move around but mostly just doing drills that's what I'm
mostly just doing drills that's what I'm going to get into he said he changed
going to get into he said he changed that after the Dos anos fight he said
that after the Dos anos fight he said when he lost to hael Dos angos he just
when he lost to hael Dos angos he just felt like maybe he had diminished
felt like maybe he had diminished himself too much with hard sparring dude
himself too much with hard sparring dude a lot of these guys they they leave
a lot of these guys they they leave their career in the gym you know like
their career in the gym you know like you get no points I there's a few guys
you get no points I there's a few guys that come to mind right now at Jackson
that come to mind right now at Jackson who who get punched in the head I'm
who who get punched in the head I'm sitting there watching them SP I watch a
sitting there watching them SP I watch a lot of fighting and I'm still a huge
lot of fighting and I'm still a huge student of the game um but I'm not doing
student of the game um but I'm not doing it myself these guys laugh and and like
it myself these guys laugh and and like you know they get punched and they start
you know they get punched and they start giggling or or they just and that's the
giggling or or they just and that's the the dumbest [ __ ] to me ever like you
the dumbest [ __ ] to me ever like you know getting punched in the head pisses
know getting punched in the head pisses me off if I leave practice with a
me off if I leave practice with a headache I'm pissed you know I feel like
headache I'm pissed you know I feel like I just took away from myself or or just
I just took away from myself or or just that was one more punch I could have
that was one more punch I could have saved for an actual event so right now
saved for an actual event so right now um you know I have great chin I've never
um you know I have great chin I've never been rocked or wobbled um and uh I want
been rocked or wobbled um and uh I want to keep it that way I'm going to
to keep it that way I'm going to preserve my myself um because the skills
preserve my myself um because the skills will come um but you know that brain
will come um but you know that brain once it's once it's uh Jello is jello
once it's once it's uh Jello is jello forever you know it is jello forever and
forever you know it is jello forever and that's a scary thing when you see guys
that's a scary thing when you see guys go when you see a guy like maybe Chuck
go when you see a guy like maybe Chuck Liddell's one of the best examples ever
Liddell's one of the best examples ever because is he had an Iron Jaw at one
because is he had an Iron Jaw at one point in time he was just indestructible
point in time he was just indestructible and then he saw he just get wobbled by
and then he saw he just get wobbled by shots that normally he would just eat
shots that normally he would just eat like like a Tic Tac yeah yeah and when
like like a Tic Tac yeah yeah and when it goes it just goes and it does not
it goes it just goes and it does not come back yeah I'm saving my [ __ ] Joe I
come back yeah I'm saving my [ __ ] Joe I hear you I'm saving it I want you to
hear you I'm saving it I want you to yeah now Jackson's is such a crazy place
yeah now Jackson's is such a crazy place cuz it's a hot bed of MMA talent and
cuz it's a hot bed of MMA talent and it's a it's a magnet for talented people
it's a it's a magnet for talented people to come there to get better because they
to come there to get better because they know they're going to be training with a
know they're going to be training with a bunch of animals there but I'm hearing
bunch of animals there but I'm hearing now with the opening of the new place
now with the opening of the new place you just you guys just got so many tough
you just you guys just got so many tough dudes coming there trying to make a name
dudes coming there trying to make a name right do you have an issue with that
right do you have an issue with that when it comes to sparring where guys
when it comes to sparring where guys want to try to make a name sparring you
want to try to make a name sparring you I I personally don't have an issue with
I I personally don't have an issue with it so me uh since we've had our new gym
it so me uh since we've had our new gym um it's a gigantic facility and we need
um it's a gigantic facility and we need people to pay the bills so we we
people to pay the bills so we we literally we allow a lot of people to
literally we allow a lot of people to come into the gym who I don't think are
come into the gym who I don't think are always qualified to be in the gym um but
always qualified to be in the gym um but we allow everybody to come and so
we allow everybody to come and so anybody off the street like any normal
anybody off the street like any normal person no you can't no so our gym
person no you can't no so our gym manager he does have an extensive like
manager he does have an extensive like uh try out thing that he does where he
uh try out thing that he does where he puts you through jiujitsu wrestling and
puts you through jiujitsu wrestling and kicking and striking and make sure you
kicking and striking and make sure you knowledgeable about the game so you have
knowledgeable about the game so you have to have experience like how much
to have experience like how much experience do they have to have do they
experience do they have to have do they have to be like an amateur MMA fighter
have to be like an amateur MMA fighter Jiu-Jitsu like you just you can't you
Jiu-Jitsu like you just you can't you can't be a guy off the street who don't
can't be a guy off the street who don't know [ __ ] [ __ ] but but outside of that
know [ __ ] [ __ ] but but outside of that you know if you have a general idea of
you know if you have a general idea of martial arts and you know that we we're
martial arts and you know that we we're opening the door to a lot of people
opening the door to a lot of people right now so is it like a pro fight gym
right now so is it like a pro fight gym or do they offer classes for beginners
or do they offer classes for beginners there's amateur classes um so if you you
there's amateur classes um so if you you know know almost nothing you're in the
know know almost nothing you're in the amateur classes and then there's the pro
amateur classes and then there's the pro pro pro practices where you literally
pro pro practices where you literally get you know guys who aren't very
get you know guys who aren't very knowledgeable training next to me and
knowledgeable training next to me and Holly Holm cowboy Cerrone and you know
Holly Holm cowboy Cerrone and you know all us so it's a it's it's a Fan
all us so it's a it's it's a Fan Experience for sure and it's it's an
Experience for sure and it's it's an experience for
experience for of a lifetime for a lot of people and
of a lifetime for a lot of people and I'm happy for a lot of these guys who
I'm happy for a lot of these guys who come in here inspiring martial arts and
come in here inspiring martial arts and gets the train with with me and and and
gets the train with with me and and and the rest of us uh because I can only
the rest of us uh because I can only imagine wanting to you know you get to
imagine wanting to you know you get to play ball with LeBron James and you you
play ball with LeBron James and you you just got out of college or you've never
just got out of college or you've never went to college like I am happy for them
went to college like I am happy for them um as long as they don't get in my way
um as long as they don't get in my way that is the big difference though that
that is the big difference though that someone who wants to come and play with
someone who wants to come and play with LeBron James you know you want to make a
LeBron James you know you want to make a name for yourself so with me you you
name for yourself so with me you you could dunk on LeBron James and every be
could dunk on LeBron James and every be like like oh I can't believe he did that
like like oh I can't believe he did that but big difference between that and
but big difference between that and fighting I have a I have a way of of not
fighting I have a I have a way of of not letting this affect my game personally
letting this affect my game personally um I'm I'm a decent judge like I can
um I'm I'm a decent judge like I can read people's character a little bit and
read people's character a little bit and uh if if I see you for the first time
uh if if I see you for the first time you are obviously about 260 205 whatever
you are obviously about 260 205 whatever 220 and you it's all about the way you
220 and you it's all about the way you look at me so if you come in the gym and
look at me so if you come in the gym and you even look like you have an ounce of
you even look like you have an ounce of a chip on your shoulder or like an ounce
a chip on your shoulder or like an ounce of holy [ __ ] that's John Jones I'm
of holy [ __ ] that's John Jones I'm getting ready to to spar him today or
getting ready to to spar him today or like or like anything weird that's going
like or like anything weird that's going on with your eye contact with me then I
on with your eye contact with me then I I'm I'm just not going to mess with you
I'm I'm just not going to mess with you I'll say I'll say hi to you and welcome
I'll say I'll say hi to you and welcome to Jackson's and what if they say hey
to Jackson's and what if they say hey man do you want to spar I like
hey I I just I don't have any room for for people trying to prove anything with
for people trying to prove anything with me but there's a lot of that there isn't
me but there's a lot of that there isn't there it yeah it happens so me the best
there it yeah it happens so me the best way you can work with me when you come
way you can work with me when you come to Jackson is come up introduce yourself
to Jackson is come up introduce yourself be kind be polite be respectful and um
be kind be polite be respectful and um show me that you are here to get better
show me that you are here to get better and uh and that you're not here to you
and uh and that you're not here to you know even some guys they come in and ask
know even some guys they come in and ask for a picture their first day here and
for a picture their first day here and I'm just
I'm just like just like dude Ern like how about
like just like dude Ern like how about you come here work your ass off for a
you come here work your ass off for a few days a few weeks or whatever and
few days a few weeks or whatever and then get to this place where you feel
then get to this place where you feel like you're comfortable to ask for a
like you're comfortable to ask for a picture instead of just being here being
picture instead of just being here being a fan people want those [ __ ] pictures
a fan people want those [ __ ] pictures yeah like dud instantaneously yeah it's
yeah like dud instantaneously yeah it's like bro you're here you're in the
like bro you're here you're in the church right now you're in the like you
church right now you're in the like you don't take a picture here like if you
don't take a picture here like if you don't I don't know I just I know what
don't I don't know I just I know what you mean no yeah I know you know what I
you mean no yeah I know you know what I mean like yeah you should that's not
mean like yeah you should that's not where your mind should be at like at my
where your mind should be at like at my Facebook page right yo look at look what
Facebook page right yo look at look what I train with today just like told you I
I train with today just like told you I was a bad [ __ ] yeahhuh yeah or
was a bad [ __ ] yeahhuh yeah or yeah you'll see that they'll tag you in
yeah you'll see that they'll tag you in a picture and it's like yeah just train
a picture and it's like yeah just train with with the goat and really we didn't
with with the goat and really we didn't even train together like you were just
even train together like you were just in the room with me you know a little
in the room with me you know a little stuff like that but but um but I do see
stuff like that but but um but I do see the benefits of having so many new
the benefits of having so many new people coming in and I mean everyone has
people coming in and I mean everyone has something to teach and you know you can
something to teach and you know you can learn from from anybody from any country
learn from from anybody from any country if you will if you have an open mind
if you will if you have an open mind enough and a lot of the guys come in
enough and a lot of the guys come in with a great attitude and they're just
with a great attitude and they're just really grateful to be there and they're
really grateful to be there and they're and they um they go with a lot of the
and they um they go with a lot of the top dogs and you know we we can kind of
top dogs and you know we we can kind of beat him up a little bit you know cuz
beat him up a little bit you know cuz they're the new guy or whatever um but
they're the new guy or whatever um but every once in a while you get that one
every once in a while you get that one guy with something to prove and and I've
guy with something to prove and and I've really found came up with a great way to
really found came up with a great way to protect myself from those type of people
protect myself from those type of people you but you've run into those uh um most
you but you've run into those uh um most people most people like I'm always very
people most people like I'm always very defensive when I'm going with the guy
defensive when I'm going with the guy who I feel like he could be trying to
who I feel like he could be trying to prove something like even when we're
prove something like even when we're drilling my defense is always on I don't
drilling my defense is always on I don't I don't give someone the opportunity to
I don't give someone the opportunity to take a swing or take a punch I've had
take a swing or take a punch I've had one guy uh hit me with a a monstrous
one guy uh hit me with a a monstrous overhand right while we were Drilling
overhand right while we were Drilling and that was intentionally to to knock
and that was intentionally to to knock me out and uh instead of retaliating I
me out and uh instead of retaliating I just was I said uh I said man you okay
just was I said uh I said man you okay and he's like uh yeah I'm all right I'm
and he's like uh yeah I'm all right I'm sorry I just I don't know what happened
sorry I just I don't know what happened and I just okay well that was that was
and I just okay well that was that was fun man nice working with you just would
fun man nice working with you just would never ever work with you again that one
never ever work with you again that one guy punched me in the balls
guy punched me in the balls intentionally too not too long ago and
intentionally too not too long ago and uh and that was his last time ever
uh and that was his last time ever training with me as well so
training with me as well so it's smart that's a smart strategy a
it's smart that's a smart strategy a very smart stay away from you yeah yeah
very smart stay away from you yeah yeah but you do find those Disturbed people
but you do find those Disturbed people that get involved in fighting and um
that get involved in fighting and um they do want to take a chance at a guy
they do want to take a chance at a guy like Jon Jones just take a swing at you
like Jon Jones just take a swing at you what if I connect and knock him out I
what if I connect and knock him out I knocked out Jones right I go like uh the
knocked out Jones right I go like uh the few times that I that it has happened
few times that I that it has happened too I'll I'll let my teammates know I'm
too I'll I'll let my teammates know I'm going to match what you're trying to do
going to match what you're trying to do to me so you know don't be surprised if
to me so you know don't be surprised if I [ __ ] you up with something that's a
I [ __ ] you up with something that's a little bit more than what you would do
little bit more than what you would do to a training partner right if if I
to a training partner right if if I realize you're trying to hurt me do you
realize you're trying to hurt me do you meditate John I used to meditate a lot
meditate John I used to meditate a lot now I'm more big into visualization when
now I'm more big into visualization when did you used to meditate um right around
did you used to meditate um right around 2 around 2010
2 around 2010 2011 um I went through this huge
2011 um I went through this huge spiritual thing where I um I became
spiritual thing where I um I became obsessed with um the power of the mind
obsessed with um the power of the mind and
and um I got into a deep like really deep
um I got into a deep like really deep just um meditation visualization and
just um meditation visualization and just realizing how powerful our minds
just realizing how powerful our minds actually are like how we really do paint
actually are like how we really do paint our world with our thoughts and and our
our world with our thoughts and and our level of self-belief and so um right
level of self-belief and so um right around 20 10 um I I just took myself to
around 20 10 um I I just took myself to this different mental level where I took
this different mental level where I took myself on being an average Joe kind of
myself on being an average Joe kind of you probably hate Average Joe huh
you probably hate Average Joe huh doesn't bother I
doesn't bother I took like what's I'm so used to that
took like what's I'm so used to that name such a goofy name it's good it's
name such a goofy name it's good it's like a blank it's like cardboard like
like a blank it's like cardboard like there's nothing to it yeah so I took
there's nothing to it yeah so I took myself from being very uh average minded
myself from being very uh average minded to actually believe in that I was the
to actually believe in that I was the [ __ ] and believe in that that I could be
[ __ ] and believe in that that I could be the [ __ ] and that I could be the goat
the [ __ ] and that I could be the goat and be the greatest and never lose into
and be the greatest and never lose into like I took myself to a different place
like I took myself to a different place mentally and a lot of it came from um
mentally and a lot of it came from um mental practice and and meditation and
mental practice and and meditation and visualization and just seeking Knowledge
visualization and just seeking Knowledge from people who are strong Believers
from people who are strong Believers guys like uh um Les Brown and Tony
guys like uh um Les Brown and Tony Robbins and guys like that I just became
Robbins and guys like that I just became really obsessed with just learning about
really obsessed with just learning about the power of the mind so I used to
the power of the mind so I used to meditate um now I just kind of I have a
meditate um now I just kind of I have a lot of things that that's stuck with me
lot of things that that's stuck with me a lot of ways of believing has stuck
a lot of ways of believing has stuck with me that just subconsciously I know
with me that just subconsciously I know uh who I am what I'm capable of and how
uh who I am what I'm capable of and how I believe how powerful my mind actually
I believe how powerful my mind actually is I'm a firm believer in meditation
is I'm a firm believer in meditation because I believe that human beings can
because I believe that human beings can get caught up uh especially someone
get caught up uh especially someone involved in a very difficult Endeavor
involved in a very difficult Endeavor like you are you can get caught up in
like you are you can get caught up in the momentum of your life and sometimes
the momentum of your life and sometimes it's very hard to reset it's very hard
it's very hard to reset it's very hard to to separate yourself from it and get
to to separate yourself from it and get a a balanced and as as much as you can
a a balanced and as as much as you can objective perspective and I think one of
objective perspective and I think one of the best ways to do that is to take time
the best ways to do that is to take time where you sit and you close your eyes
where you sit and you close your eyes and you do nothing and just concentrate
and you do nothing and just concentrate on your breathing and just just set it
on your breathing and just just set it all aside and extract yourself extract
all aside and extract yourself extract your Consciousness from the momentum of
your Consciousness from the momentum of your life and I think a lot of people
your life and I think a lot of people don't do that and they get caught up in
don't do that and they get caught up in this hurricane of existence where
this hurricane of existence where everything is just constantly going on
everything is just constantly going on your phone won't stop ringing there's
your phone won't stop ringing there's [ __ ] people knocking at your door you
[ __ ] people knocking at your door you got this going on that going on you got
got this going on that going on you got to go catch this flight and oh [ __ ] you
to go catch this flight and oh [ __ ] you got a fight coming up and oh [ __ ] you
got a fight coming up and oh [ __ ] you got this and that and and sometimes you
got this and that and and sometimes you lose yourself yeah you lose yourself in
lose yourself yeah you lose yourself in that wave of life I I definitely lost
that wave of life I I definitely lost myself at one point in my life um and I
myself at one point in my life um and I feel like right now I'm at this position
feel like right now I'm at this position where I am I am myself and I can
where I am I am myself and I can see John Bones Jones and I'm like I can
see John Bones Jones and I'm like I can I can like look at
I can like look at my career from a fan perspective you get
my career from a fan perspective you get what I'm saying and um and actually make
what I'm saying and um and actually make fun of myself like damn you a [ __ ]
fun of myself like damn you a [ __ ] idiot like like what have you done like
idiot like like what have you done like you know what I mean like um I I have a
you know what I mean like um I I have a I have a good way of detaching something
I have a good way of detaching something inside of me and and and seeing what's
inside of me and and and seeing what's happening and okay oh no it's not over
happening and okay oh no it's not over all you got to do is just do this do
all you got to do is just do this do that do that and you get what I'm saying
that do that and you get what I'm saying yeah um so I'm not I don't I'm not
yeah um so I'm not I don't I'm not necessarily meditating these days but I
necessarily meditating these days but I do have the capability of taking away
do have the capability of taking away who I actually am at this point and
who I actually am at this point and realizing that this is just a part of me
realizing that this is just a part of me or this is just a situation in my life
or this is just a situation in my life this isn't my actual life this isn't my
this isn't my actual life this isn't my this isn't my final destination this is
this isn't my final destination this is just a a small moment in time that I'm
just a a small moment in time that I'm going through right now you get what I'm
going through right now you get what I'm saying right I get what you're saying so
saying right I get what you're saying so um so that that's my form of meditation
um so that that's my form of meditation I I step away from a terrible sit
I I step away from a terrible sit situations and looking look at myself as
situations and looking look at myself as if it's the future and I'm looking back
if it's the future and I'm looking back on what's happened to me or what's
on what's happened to me or what's happening and I say okay how can I get
happening and I say okay how can I get myself out of this how can I make this
myself out of this how can I make this better what do I need to do to turn this
better what do I need to do to turn this around what do I you get what I'm saying
around what do I you get what I'm saying instead of being completely immerged in
instead of being completely immerged in the moment and thinking that oh I can't
the moment and thinking that oh I can't get out it like you know so now I said
get out it like you know so now I said earlier that UFC 205 was in December I
earlier that UFC 205 was in December I know it's November that's what I [ __ ]
know it's November that's what I [ __ ] up do 205 205 yeah oh 205 think sorry
up do 205 205 yeah oh 205 think sorry but what I'm thinking of in December
but what I'm thinking of in December when is your grappling match with Dan
when is your grappling match with Dan Henderson December 11th that's December
Henderson December 11th that's December 11th okay that's what I'm [ __ ] up on
11th okay that's what I'm [ __ ] up on um what is this is this uh is this ebi
um what is this is this uh is this ebi rules so this is submission this is ch's
rules so this is submission this is ch's Sun's I think think he's the president
Sun's I think think he's the president of it or something like that yeah do we
of it or something like that yeah do we have the you have the information for
have the you have the information for all that let's put it up so tell people
all that let's put it up so tell people how they could see that what what made
how they could see that what what made you decide to do this just to mix it up
you decide to do this just to mix it up while you're off yeah I uh they reached
while you're off yeah I uh they reached out to me I I did like a small uh
out to me I I did like a small uh grappling event like I was at an
grappling event like I was at an autograph sign in I saw that yeah some
autograph sign in I saw that yeah some guy was like Hey you ever roll like
guy was like Hey you ever roll like competitively and I was like no actually
competitively and I was like no actually I haven't since 2009 or something like I
I haven't since 2009 or something like I did one ju-jitsu match my whole career
did one ju-jitsu match my whole career and I won it with Force missions against
and I won it with Force missions against these these guys or whatever he's like
these these guys or whatever he's like man you should come over and roll with
man you should come over and roll with me and I'm like what Bel are you and
me and I'm like what Bel are you and he's like uh I think the guy who
he's like uh I think the guy who challenged me was like a purple belt or
challenged me was like a purple belt or something and I'm like uh you know I
something and I'm like uh you know I really don't do that type of stuff I you
really don't do that type of stuff I you know I would have to go home I don't
know I would have to go home I don't have any clothes or anything and he's
have any clothes or anything and he's like oh we we're selling Gees over here
like oh we we're selling Gees over here and rash guards and I'm like
and rash guards and I'm like I was like I don't think I'm going to Ru
I was like I don't think I'm going to Ru man like I you know and so he's like uh
man like I you know and so he's like uh well at least come over and say hi
well at least come over and say hi there's a lot of kids over there a lot
there's a lot of kids over there a lot of people who just love to see you come
of people who just love to see you come show some support to JSU Community I'm
show some support to JSU Community I'm like all right I I could do that and so
like all right I I could do that and so when I went over there after my
when I went over there after my autograph signing um there was a bunch
autograph signing um there was a bunch of people standing around and and I was
of people standing around and and I was greeting everybody and the guy was like
greeting everybody and the guy was like Hey like are you going to roll with me
Hey like are you going to roll with me or what and I was just like and a lot of
or what and I was just like and a lot of people heard him and and I was just like
people heard him and and I was just like I I feel like when someone's trying to
I I feel like when someone's trying to uh I feel like someone wins when they
uh I feel like someone wins when they call you out and you don't oblige them
call you out and you don't oblige them right you know what I mean so I was just
right you know what I mean so I was just like in this guy's head it's it's a
like in this guy's head it's it's a small victory knowing that I backed down
small victory knowing that I backed down and it's we're not punching it's it's
and it's we're not punching it's it's Jiu-Jitsu right so no one's going to get
Jiu-Jitsu right so no one's going to get hurt and I like you know what let me let
hurt and I like you know what let me let me live a little and just do this you
me live a little and just do this you know I'm sure the kids are going to love
know I'm sure the kids are going to love it and people are going to so I uh I was
it and people are going to so I uh I was like all right give me a rash guard so
like all right give me a rash guard so they gave me a rash guard and I
they gave me a rash guard and I literally I didn't even warm up I just
literally I didn't even warm up I just kind of do one of these and and then I
kind of do one of these and and then I ended up tapping the these two guys out
ended up tapping the these two guys out fairly quick and um I think some these
fairly quick and um I think some these people uh from submission underground
people uh from submission underground they saw those videos and they they're
they saw those videos and they they're starting this new um promotion um where
starting this new um promotion um where they're actually paying Fighters pretty
they're actually paying Fighters pretty like they're taking care of the athletes
like they're taking care of the athletes you know really yeah and do people watch
you know really yeah and do people watch it on pay-per-view is that what it is so
it on pay-per-view is that what it is so I think you can watch it online you can
I think you can watch it online you can stream it online for a price okay um so
stream it online for a price okay um so here it is uh oh okay it's
here it is uh oh okay it's flograppling.com
flograppling.com flograppling.com Sunday December 11th at
flograppling.com Sunday December 11th at 2:30 um and I think this is ebi rules if
2:30 um and I think this is ebi rules if this is the cha sundon thing so see if
this is the cha sundon thing so see if that if you could see that in there
that if you could see that in there Jamie scroll up and see what the rules
Jamie scroll up and see what the rules are I I still don't even know what the
are I I still don't even know what the rules are I I think it's submission only
rules are I I think it's submission only yeah it's submission only but I think
yeah it's submission only but I think ebi rules is a ebibi rules is a very
ebi rules is a ebibi rules is a very interesting educate me but ebi is Eddie
interesting educate me but ebi is Eddie Bravo Invitational rules what he did is
Bravo Invitational rules what he did is he figured out a way to avoid draws and
he figured out a way to avoid draws and what he does is he he has guys they
what he does is he he has guys they fight for uh or they they grapple for a
fight for uh or they they grapple for a determined time period then at the end
determined time period then at the end of the time period minutes I heard yeah
of the time period minutes I heard yeah they exchange uh bad positions like one
they exchange uh bad positions like one guy will start off well you start off in
guy will start off well you start off in what's called spiderweb so spider web is
what's called spiderweb so spider web is side control with not the arm bar locked
side control with not the arm bar locked up but the arm hooked you know the arm
up but the arm hooked you know the arm hooked so you're you have your legs
hooked so you're you have your legs across the arm is trapped and ready go
across the arm is trapped and ready go so the guy on the bottom is trying to
so the guy on the bottom is trying to escape you're trying to hold him down um
escape you're trying to hold him down um or you can start off with the over under
or you can start off with the over under from back control so you don't like have
from back control so you don't like have a choke locked in but you have over
a choke locked in but you have over under you have both hooks in and you're
under you have both hooks in and you're on the back and they say ready go so
on the back and they say ready go so it's how fast the person can escape
it's how fast the person can escape versus how fast you could submit them at
versus how fast you could submit them at the end of The Exchange back and forth
the end of The Exchange back and forth say if you submit your guy and then he
say if you submit your guy and then he has an opportunity to try to submit you
has an opportunity to try to submit you if you submit him faster than he
if you submit him faster than he submitted you you win if you submit him
submitted you you win if you submit him and he doesn't submit you you win what
and he doesn't submit you you win what if you escape fast you both escape and
if you escape fast you both escape and you do it again and then if you both
you do it again and then if you both escape again you do it one more time and
escape again you do it one more time and then they calculate all the time it took
then they calculate all the time it took for each one to escape and the person
for each one to escape and the person who has the least amount of time and
who has the least amount of time and escape the quickest winds up winning oh
escape the quickest winds up winning oh I'm winning
I'm winning this more this
this more this [ __ ] Dan
[ __ ] Dan Henderson Dan Henderson's quite a bit
Henderson Dan Henderson's quite a bit smaller than you too yeah I would
smaller than you too yeah I would imagine yeah I wonder how much he weighs
imagine yeah I wonder how much he weighs right now well I mean he fought at 185
right now well I mean he fought at 185 and I don't think he's cutting a whole
and I don't think he's cutting a whole lot of weight he's not a big guy yeah
lot of weight he's not a big guy yeah you know and um is interesting like him
you know and um is interesting like him fighting Michael bisbing I think that's
fighting Michael bisbing I think that's probably going to be his last fight a
probably going to be his last fight a lot of people thought he should have won
lot of people thought he should have won that fight super close fight he retired
that fight super close fight he retired didn't he I think he did yeah I think he
didn't he I think he did yeah I think he did I think he decided that's it yeah so
did I think he decided that's it yeah so I'm sure this means a lot to him to be
I'm sure this means a lot to him to be able to be able to beat me even in a
able to be able to beat me even in a grappling match that's quite the way to
grappling match that's quite the way to end your career yeah so I I don't know
end your career yeah so I I don't know how hard he's training but I'm putting a
how hard he's training but I'm putting a little effort into it for sure yeah well
little effort into it for sure yeah well you telling me before you just getting
you telling me before you just getting really in love with jiu-jitsu now I do I
really in love with jiu-jitsu now I do I do love Jiu-Jitsu yeah my my my
do love Jiu-Jitsu yeah my my my professor has uh he's a great Coach man
professor has uh he's a great Coach man uh they call him Tusa um
uh they call him Tusa um I think it's Portuguese for like bug
I think it's Portuguese for like bug tooth or something like that um but his
tooth or something like that um but his real name is Roberto alakar he's several
real name is Roberto alakar he's several time world champion in J to I think he's
time world champion in J to I think he's beat Vinnie mes quite a few times and
beat Vinnie mes quite a few times and he's wow he's won all these huge yeah
he's wow he's won all these huge yeah all these world champion I think he's
all these world champion I think he's five time world champion wow um and he
five time world champion wow um and he he literally is right there with me uh
he literally is right there with me uh every practice and you know he knows
every practice and you know he knows I've never done G training but he
I've never done G training but he um he uh he doesn't settle like I'm
um he uh he doesn't settle like I'm technically a white belt but he's he
technically a white belt but he's he every position he's like you know you
every position he's like you know you got to do this right you gotta do put
got to do this right you gotta do put your hand here you make this tighter
your hand here you make this tighter super technical yeah super technical and
super technical yeah super technical and I feel like I'm getting pretty good
I feel like I'm getting pretty good right now that's awesome man if you just
right now that's awesome man if you just dedicate yourself to that before you
dedicate yourself to that before you know you come back you you should guy
know you come back you you should guy like you have a big jump yeah people are
like you have a big jump yeah people are going to hate me bro I'm going to I'm my
going to hate me bro I'm going to I'm my sty is going to be like Maya I'm just
sty is going to be like Maya I'm just going to take people down and freaking
going to take people down and freaking ride your ass out and submit you like
ride your ass out and submit you like don't expect any more standup striking
don't expect any more standup striking from me really I'm joking joke yeah you
from me really I'm joking joke yeah you can't I'm
can't I'm telling who knows what you're going to
telling who knows what you're going to do right who I don't know what I'm going
do right who I don't know what I'm going to do at this point but I'm getting
to do at this point but I'm getting better and I'm preserving myself listen
better and I'm preserving myself listen man it's good to see you smile it's good
man it's good to see you smile it's good to see you laugh it's good to see you
to see you laugh it's good to see you happy it's good to see you optimistic
happy it's good to see you optimistic about your future and I think you got a
about your future and I think you got a great perspective right now and I really
great perspective right now and I really hope you keep it together man I'm a big
hope you keep it together man I'm a big fan as a person as a fighter I'm glad we
fan as a person as a fighter I'm glad we did this I am too I am too all right all
did this I am too I am too all right all right brother that's it folks we're done
right brother that's it folks we're done for today see you bye Jon Jones
that was fun that was that was good
fun that was that was good [Laughter]
[Laughter] [Music]
[Music] uhhuh
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