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This content is an interview with Sundar Pichai, CEO of Google, discussing his personal journey from South India to leading a global tech giant, his views on technology's role in accessibility and progress, and Google's strategic direction, particularly in AI and future technologies.
All right, Ohio. Good morning, everybody.
everybody.
Uh, did anybody like Metallica last night?
night?
>> What about Benson Boone? Did you see him?
him?
>> Great. Yeah, Metallica. They were really
on. I'm tired.
Yeah, I really slept with one eye open
last night.
Um, okay. Well, we have a great uh
morning for you. Are you all excited to
meet Sundar?
>> All right, Sundar. Where are you? We
need you, Sundar. Come on out, Sundar.
Here he comes. Sundar, everybody.
Good to see you. How are you, man?
>> Well, great.
>> All right. We're so thrilled to have
Sundar this morning and it is going to
be a great interview we're going to do
here. We're going to spend 38 minutes.
Uh 40 minutes. As much time as you want.
>> Well, as much time as you want. So, it's
>> true. It is as much time as I want. Okay.
Okay.
>> Very, very excited to be here. It's a
beautiful theater.
>> It is a beautiful, you know, I we're
talking backstage. This was a famous
theater for me because all of the Apple
product launches that I loved were all here.
here. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And Steve Jobs was here. and I kind of
feel like he left a little bit of his
magic behind on the stage and it's just
a great place to be.
>> Good karma.
>> Absolutely. So anyway, Sundar, you know,
we know each other very well and we have
been to many many different kind of
programs together and also a lot of
personal events, some wonderful happy
situations, some sad situations. we've
had every possible situation together.
And I think, you know, when I was
thinking about this interview on the way in
in
what occurred to me was um you know,
does everybody really know you? And I
would really like just to take a few
minutes and try to let people know who
you are because as I was saying
backstage, you're from my very favorite
part of India, from the south. Um
everybody knows I like a good masala dosa.
dosa.
and ma makes two of us. So
>> one thing I love about the south is you
know the the the the women are in charge
of the household. The mothers are in
charge and um and the gurus are the
women. Um I met an incredible guru in
Travandram you know in Carerala in the
backwaters of the Arabian Sea named
Amichi who's amazing had a huge impact
on my life. But that idea of growing up
in South India and the the values of
South India and the mystique and the
energy and the matriarchy h how tell us
about that and then you know let's well
let's and then let's get you all the way
from that point when you were there and
I and Stanford but first let's go back
to South India and then just give
everyone a flavor for Sundar. Wow. I
didn't expect it to start there, but uh
definitely a trip down uh nostalgia. I
mean, you're right. It's a special place
obviously. And you know, my mom had a
you know, I learned my love of reading
from my granddad, her father, and my
mother. Uh you know, she used to be a
voracious reader. Uh she, you know, she
because of financial circumstances never
went past high school, but she was she
used to read a lot. And so that's where
my love of learning and knowledge kind
of uh you know came. I think growing up
there you know obviously strong family
values extraordinary focus on learning
and knowledge and acquiring uh wisdom
over the years. And so it's not an
accident. I think it kind of led me to
Google over time uh given what our
mission is and so on. But I you know I
had to wait for every piece of
technology for a long time in my life.
waited five years to get a rotary phone
and when the phone came
>> five years for a rotary phone
>> because the government made it at that
time and there's a long waiting list
>> but the but the minute the phone came to
the house uh we were one of the first in
the neighborhood people would come to
the house called their families it kind
of like created a community around it so
for me it was you know incredible to see
how getting access to technology can
have this profound shift in your life to
wait for a long time to get access to a
computer. So that's what led me to this journey.
journey.
>> How old were you when you first had
access to a computer?
>> You know, I seen and had like, you know,
you could get an hour of use maybe like
once every two to three months. But when
I came to Stanford is when you could
walk down to a lab and there were
workstations and like I could open Emacs
and I was, you know, it was a whole world.
world.
>> That's where access was opportunity.
>> Yeah, that's right. And that's what
always reinforced to me that you know
all of us are in this world of we're
trying to give people access to
technology and and you see that step
change that comes with it and and it's a
journey and with AI I think we have a
chance to do a step even more. You
mentioned South India I called Prime
Minister of India this on Sunday night.
You know, I used to take this train,
>> Prime Minister Modi.
>> Prime Minister Modi,
>> I used to take this train through the
south of India and there's this town
called Visag. It's a beautiful coastal
town growing up. And we announced our
We announced our largest ever AI
investment outside the US. a $15 billion
1 gawatt plus data center 80% powered by
clean energy with subc cables going in
that the the chance to transform
a region like that with a with a kind of
investment it really meant a lot to be
able to call the prime minister who
really cares about developing the
country and this has been his vision I
know you know him well too and so anyway
it's extraordinary to see the impact of
all this
>> very exciting and it's a great way to
give back so You really see that this
kind of technology giving access even
being developed and this nod to south
India there. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Very good. It sounded like there's a lot
of folks here from India or know vicead
stand up if you're from India actually.
Would you well be welcomed?
So, okay. Well, let's let's talk about
that. So, here we are. I Well, I think
I've started the conversation in the
right way. Would you agree that we have
to connect to India to understand you?
And here you are. You're growing up in
South India. You're getting um you're
getting a vision for technology. The
idea that access is opportunity. Um
you're now in pursuit of IIT probably
the fi one of the finest institutes uh
in India for technology. you know when
when did you make that decision that
technology was going to be your passion? Uh
Uh
>> look I mean I I was uh uh very
interested in physics. I was fascinated
with semiconductors and computers and so
to me it was literal you know I
literally wanted to be this place was
called Silicon Valley. So it's the best
advertising ever, right? You know, as a
kid growing up, you know, you're
interested in semiconductors, this
wonder that you could turn sand into
into this thing, uh, which is the, uh,
you know, substrate of, uh, uh, the
digital age. And so for me, I literally
wanted to be in Silicon Valley because
that's what I was interested in. And,
you know, I was very inspired by the one
laptop per child project from MIT. Uh,
what Negra Ponti was working on. This is
the one laptop per child where they're
going to try to put this kind of uh
lowcost computer in the hands of every
child in the world but especially
targeting India. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And it was going to be a very very
lowcost computer was and it was Nicholas
was really the visionary behind it.
>> That's right. And I you know I have to
uh you know in some ways I I can
directly link that to my work on
Chromebooks many years later. Right. So
the fact that
>> that must have been now the I mean one
laptop per child that was
>> in the mid '9s I think that's right 94
95 96 I I don't remember the exact dates it's
it's
>> you were right and around the time it
came to the US but what's extraordinary
is his vision of making that possible uh
I think made a lot of progress quite
couldn't get there uh but you know for
me it always uh you know it later played
out not just in Chromebooks but we
eventually ended up giving pretty much
everyone a mobile phone which is a
computer in their hands with Android 2.
Um, you know, now you have I all around
the world be it in the US, be it in
Brazil, be it in Indonesia, be in India, Africa.
Africa.
>> Was there also a browser on that Android phone?
phone?
>> That's right. What's say
>> there's a browser on that phone?
>> There's a browser.
>> We're going to get there. We're going to
get there. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Yeah. I'm looking forward to it.
>> You know, I'm going there.
>> Yeah. I'm looking forward to it.
uh look I but but I think that inspired
me and and so in some ways uh you know
the chance and the thing that attracted
me to Google was literally in the
mission statement and I I'm very serious
about it the phrase to make information
universally accessible and useful. That
phrase is why I joined Google because it
resonated so much with me. Right? This
is about giving access to information
knowledge to everyone in the world and
and and that journey continues across
all of us. I think AI is the ultimate
expression of that, right? It's really
giving a true knowledge, collaborator,
companion, however you want to think
about it, to access to everyone in the
world, regardless of where you're from.
Uh and and and so it's a great
equalizer, I think.
>> Well, it's an amazing vision now. And
you're in pursuit of IIT with this
inspiration. You go sail through IIT.
It's amazing. And then somehow you know
you want to go to Stanford. Was that
when did that occur?
>> I mean you know I mean it's a you know
it's a fortunate opportunity and uh for
me you know I had the chance to go to a
few places. Stanford happened to be in
Silicon Valley. So it was uh it was uh
everything was uh straightforward. The
only thing I felt maybe misled was the
professor who emailed me said it's
really nice and warm and beautiful
weather. But I think kind of coming from
south India when people say warm
I remember the first time I went to the
ocean I was so excited I went into the
water and I was like no this is not warm
>> this is not this is not the backwaters
of the Arabian scene no okay
>> it was a bit different having said that
you know it is the birthplace of uh uh
semiconductors and uh the stories around
you know fair child and national I mean
you you see the history back and uh so
it's a real special place So I felt home
when I came here.
>> Well, you're you're helping me remember
all of my great times in South India too
and the warmth and the energy and the
mysticism and all that. I remember some
a lot of times being there and uh
spending time you know uh with uh Amichi
and also um uh friend of mine there am
Amita Supa Nanda as well and it's just
an incredible place and it is a it feels
a long way from here
>> but I guess it's it's actually much
closer because here we are together
right now and so now here you are you've
kind of gone through that whole
experience you're all the way at IIT and
now you're on your way to Stanford. What
are your what is your family thinking at
this point?
>> Uh, look, I um I mean I mean now you
step back, you know, I I just became an
empty neester this year and you have you
have this incredible access to your kids
and it's still very very hard. I can't
believe in those days uh when I came
here it was probably $2.30
per minute to call back home. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Right. and and uh so you know if you
ever think the the curve of how
technology makes things more accessible
yeah it was you know used to write
letters back then because it was so
expensive to call now you know I'm
fortunate enough you know I I see my
parents regularly and I'm uh you know
stay in close touch with them but you
know they talk about you know just just
like you kind of disappear from their uh
life but so I'm glad we we're working
all you know I look at There's a product
we are working on called uh Google beam
and which really when you when two
people talk you feel like physically
they are in the same place. Part of the
reason I'm motivated by all that is like
you know you know you realize people
today you know imagine veterans being
deployed and being away from their
families or something like that. So I
think it's important to connect people.
>> All right. So here we are now. We're at
Stanford. The favorite son has left the
home. There it's there's a distance. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Um you're lonely it sounds like at
Stanford. Uh you're missing the
misaladosa. You're
>> you're in Palo Alto.
>> I was missing my girlfriend then. My
wife now your girlfriend now your wife.
Very nice.
>> She was she went to uh college with me
and so yeah all of that.
>> Very good.
>> I spent all my money calling her pretty
much. Yeah. It's literally true.
>> Very good. Do you want to say more about
>> At some point, we have to bring it to
agent force. And
>> we really don't actually. It's this is
better than that. We've been talking
about that for days.
>> Talking about
>> Yeah, we're already on board the agent
force phenomenon. We got that. But this
is more interesting. The girlfriend, the
wife, the phone calls,
freezing in PaloAlto.
Uh, I I definitely didn't expect uh all
of this. So,
>> bathing bathing in the Pacific Ocean,
>> which which you know, I only did it
once, by the way. Uh, super cold. Still
haven't quite uh quite gotten used to
it. Uh, where are we now? Look, I mean,
uh, but no, I think it's important that
we talk. First of all, we have a you can
see we have a great connection, number
one, but number two, this is the this is
the Sundar I know. So that's what I'm
trying to do is I think a lot you know
my like I said my write in I was just
thinking to myself a lot of people they
just don't have the opportunity to
realize the person that I know so well
your heart you know your your your your
life your connection
and you know now okay so anyway let's
just get back to the story you're in
Stanford now right and now all of a
sudden you kind of see this new world
and it is a different world you're you
are in Palo Alto it's it's not is cold.
There's a whole thing going on, right?
And so what is your biggest surprise now
that you're in PaloAlto besides the weather?
weather?
>> Oh, I mean, look, I um I think I mean,
we take this for granted uh in in the
valley and in a place like Stanford and
uh I mean it's I mean America is truly a
land of opportunity in a way that phrase
I think very few people really
understand uh uh you know it deeply and
uh it's extraordinary. uh you can come
here and you know if you're willing to
work hard pursue your dreams uh anything
is possible right and it was kind of
obvious to me once I came in uh you know
if you're passionate about something you
meet other people who are passionate
about it uh this is a place of dreamers
and builders you're excited about
something people want to build on that
idea uh you know it's almost like they
want to compose that with you that is so
unique uh unique about about the place
we live in. Uh and so that struck me as
a you know this this optimism
uh this real desire to make the world
better. Uh you know and and sometimes we
all are so used to it sometimes. I think
you know we get jaded with technology or
something we forget that I feel it now
when I travel around the world and you
go to places where they don't have
access to this technology they so want
to be a part of it. Here we have it,
right? And and and you know, I think
we've gone through these waves, but that
is the essence of this place, I think,
and you brought it back to the the
theater in which Steve Jobs did some of
those uh you know, pathbreaking
announcements, but I think that's the
spirit of this place. I felt it at
Stanford. Um and I I feel it today.
>> So now here you are. You're you're
feeling it. You are connected to the
energy of Silicon Valley, the magic of
what's happening, Stanford, kind of the
heart of it all, near the garages where
these great companies have started, like
HP, like Apple. You're starting to meet
these cast of characters. It's like
going to Disneyland, right? You're
meeting Donald Duck. You're meeting
you're meeting Mickey Mouse in person
for the first time. And now you're in
Stanford and are you at this point
thinking, "Okay, I heard about this
company, Google. It's 2004. This is
where I'm heading. Is that the Is that
the direction at this point?
>> Look, um I was in I was in Stanford in
the '90s and uh you know this was the
time uh when uh Mosaic and you know
Mosaic had launched and uh ironically I
think Larry and Sig were at Stanford at
the same time. I don't think I knew them
or uh we didn't overlap.
>> You didn't know them at the time?
>> Uh no I didn't know them at the time.
You know my I I was I was focused on
different things. I was very interested
in semiconductors. That was my area of
research. Uh that's what I was working
on. Uh I was so excited to have access
to all that. I almost didn't realize
there was this thing called the internet
which was happening. So but you know a
few years later uh you know had the
chance to get to know a few people and
when the internet was really taking off
when I I started using Google early um
and the first time I started using it I
realized this is going to give more
access to information to more
>> this must be what 96 97
>> no Google wasn't there Google started in
99 I first used it in about 2000
>> right 20201 on
>> and but I could instantly feel like you
have this thing which is going to give
access to technology to more people than
anything before. uh you could use it,
you could feel it. The fact that
>> And where was that first time that you
used Google in 2001? Where were you?
>> I was I was still in PaloAlto um you
know but I was uh like working in the
semiconductor industry. It's it's
interesting to see back as we going
through this moment in AI everything is
coming back to chips uh you know which
which turns out to be the uh might be
the real driver of intelligence right
and and uh and it's not an accident that
Google works on TPUs too right so it all
comes back uh full circle but that's the
context in which I I used but you know
it's just that when I used it I
instantly felt like this is where I want
to be and spoke to some people uh ended
up at Google um and soon started working
on Chrome. Yeah.
>> And you went to Google. It was about
2003 4 2004.
>> So 2004. So you've transitioned now from
semiconductors. What semiconductor
company were you at? I actually don't know
know
>> for a long time. I was at apply uh I was
at applied materials.
>> At applied materials. So you're at a
great company applied materials. And now
you've decided to go from applied
material semiconductors to the internet
with Google. And you go that's a pretty
big leap actually from semiconductors to
the browser.
>> Look, I I wanted to be closer to um you
know when you're working in the
semiconductor industry sometimes you can
feel far removed from the people. I I I
wanted to be much closer to where
technology was impacting people and and
so I wanted to be closer to the consumer
and and that's the chance with uh uh
Google. 2004 was about the time in which
you had this the web was changing from
just content pages to real rich
applications. This was web 2.0. It was
Ajax. Uh Gmail had launched. Google
Maps, Flickr. uh you could really see
the web evolve. You were pioneering
software as a service too at the time. I
mean like look all of this was uh coming
together and
>> we were 5 years into Salesforce at
>> actually we're going public and Google
was going public in 2004. Now actually
you mentioned it Google and Salesforce
both went public that year 2004.
>> That's right. I went back and looked our
first partnership I wasn't involved
between Google and Salesforce was 2007. Yeah,
Yeah,
>> that was the first contract I
>> That's not the first partnership. The
first partnership was
I was presenting, okay, ahead of our
IPOs and Larry and Sergey were in the
front row and I was presenting on our
product strategy, but I also presented
on our 111 model.
>> Yeah. Which
>> which is the 1% equity, 1% profit, 1%
time. And Larry and Sergey came up to me
afterwards and they said, "You know
what? We're going to do that, too. and
we're going to create google.org and
we're going to do the 1% also and I want
to thank them for that and thank you
know thank you and have thank Google for that
that
>> because it created a huge foundation
with a huge amount of good
>> and that was the very first time I had
met Larry and Sergey and it was it was
an it was an incredible moment so and it
just at that moment you were kind of
coincidentally joining Google.
>> That's right. And
>> so was it before the IPO or after? Uh
just I think I joined and the IPO
happened like three weeks later.
>> Fantastic. So they join you joined the
company is going public.
>> That's right.
>> Now is it at that point now who was CEO
at that point? Was it Eric or Larry? >> Eric.
>> Eric.
>> Eric. And is that when you said to Eric
I'm going to take your job, Eric.
thing I did recall it was in 2004.
Around 2006 is when uh you know thing
which Eric I I still remember that me
and a few others we wanted to build a
browser and Eric had gone through the
browser wars before. Uh you know was
super familiar with it. Uh I remember
vividly Eric telling us are you crazy
you know what it takes to build a
browser? We're not building a browser.
We still did it anyway, but uh you know,
but he was super generous and uh once we
we kind of bootstrapped a browser, a
small team, and then we demoed it to him
and Larry Sergey and once he saw how
good it was, he became one of the
biggest supporters of it. Uh but that's
how uh Eric and I interacted. Yeah.
>> All right. Well, now you're squarely at
Google and it's a storied career for the
next 21 years from starting on this kind
of incredible team that built the
marquee browser Chrome all the way to
today as the CEO. Reflecting on that,
you know, two decades, what what what is
your thought across this arc from South
India now to the this leadership journey
at at Google?
>> Look, I um I think you know technology
is one of the biggest enablers we know,
right? uh you know it drives innovation
at a fundamental level uh if anything
that journey is you know accelerating
right I think we are living in the
middle of it sometimes we may not fully
feel it uh but the pace at which it's
evolving and and I feel and I'm sure
Mark feels that way uh you know our job
is to be good stewards of this
technology bring it in a way that really
benefits society at scale right and and
so this journey to harness technology in
a way that positively impacts humanity.
Uh I think I think that's that's what we
need to do. We obviously do it in the
context of building companies but
companies with a purpose, companies
which give back. I think both Salesforce
and Google share that deeply and you
inspired the Google journey there. I
think there is no better technology to
do that than AI, right? and and one of
the first things uh you know when I
became CEO was to we had gone through a
decade of being a mobile first company
and you know I wanted to drive the shift
uh to being an AI first company so
that's what we did in 2017
uh uh you know in fact in 2017 at Google
IO we spoke about this concept of AI
first data centers and you know we
announced our first generation of TPUs
in 2017
and And so but it's been a journey. I
think in many ways Larry Sergey were
visionary around always understanding
the true potential for AI. I was
fortunate to go through maybe four
distinct moments which kind of like
really brought it all together for me.
In 2010, I went with uh uh with the with
Larry to the DARPA Grand Challenge where
they were testing autonomous cars and
you know, we saw uh this car the
Sebastian's uh team uh which won the
DARPA challenge. So, you kind of saw the
progress that's possible. uh Jeff Dean
along well Jeff Hinton and team had come
to Google and so Jeff Dean demonstrated
Google brain in 2012 the ability for
Google brain to recognize cats uh using
a neural network that was 2012 I met
Disen team in 2014
and then in 2016 was the alpha go moment
right so seeing all this you know it was
fortunate to be at that that kind of a
vantage point which is why in 2017 I
said the company has to be really
focused on it was obvious to me this was
going to be the decade of AI uh and so
that was the journey uh since then okay
so now let's go back about 3 years when
we started to have some very interesting conversations
conversations
because all of a sudden here's Google
the absolute leader in AI deep mind now
Dennis the Nobel Prize winning Dennis we
never thought that was about to happen
incred Incredible what has happened.
Well, very well warned. And now
3 years ago, here you are the leader in
AI. You are leading the company through
this transformation. You're putting
guard rails in appropriate guardrails.
You're being conservative, appropriately
conservative. And this little company in
San Francisco called Open AAI emerges
with this product Chat GPT. And we start
to see these crazy headlines that say,
well, Google has a competitor and here's
the situation and here's the real leader
in AI, open AI. What's your reaction?
And you know, t take us in that journey
for the last 36 months.
>> Um, a few things right. I think one of
the things which was misunderstood was,
you know, obviously 2017 was when we
published the transformer paper 2. Um
the we started using transformers right
away. We saw the power of uh the
technology. Uh part of what made search
so much better was post transformer.
>> This is the paper all you need is attention.
attention.
>> Attention is all you need. Yeah. And and
uh extraordinary paper and uh you can
say it's the foundation of everything
since then all of the genai uh
phenomenon and we built something called
Bert and Mum. Uh so we built two
transformer based models which is what
dramatically improved search. We use
transformers to make search better. The
we use transformers to that's why we
launched Google photos. It was the first
AI native product. We were shipping a
lot and we were working on a internal
version of chatbot 2. In fact it was a
chatbot. Uh it became famous because
there was an engineer at Google who
thought it was sentient. Uh you know
this was about 6 months.
>> It was not sentient. Uh I don't uh it it
was inscentient. Uh on on a lighter note
though I did get a lawyer like from the
outside send me a note saying
representing this product called lambda
and so which is one of the more
fascinating emails I've gotten. Uh but
>> so this is a lawyer representing in the
sentient chatbot that
>> that's how uh it came in right but look
we have to take all this seriously.
Obviously the technology wasn't anywhere
close to that at that time but we were
making a lot of progress. Um uh but
you're right, credit to open AAI uh you
know they they put it out first and look
in in consumer internet it's not I
remember being at Google in 200 uh uh
six and we were working on video search
and YouTube came out of nowhere or I'm
sure if you were within Facebook you saw
how photos were popular in your feed and
Instagram came out of nowhere you know
in the consumer internet world you know
I would argue pretty much all of us
working on We knew in a different world
we would have probably launched our
chatbot maybe a few months down the
line. We had we hadn't quite gotten it
to a level where you could put it out
and people would have been okay with
Google putting out that product, right?
It was still uh had a lot of issues at
that time. I would argue
>> there's a lot of risk putting it out at
that point. out and I would argue you
know OpenAI did their deal with Microsoft
Microsoft
>> 2 months before they put out Chad GPT
right so in some ways I think it was you
know in hindsight it's a bit more
obvious uh fully what what it could be
but for me when the when when Chad GPT
launched contrary to what people outside
felt I was excited because I knew the
the window had shifted we were building
this techn we had been building this
technology for so long we were So AI
native everything in the company every
decision we had made uh you know I had
decided to take a full stack approach to
AI right we were investing all the way
from infrastructure we built our own
chips uh to we had world-class research
teams in Google research Google brain
Google deep mind uh and and to the
models and so on so I I just realized
this is the biggest opportunity in
technology we were incredibly well
positioned but we had to carpay the MC's
the moment and execute well as a company
and that's the journey we've been on. We
kickstarted Gemini
uh we brought Google brain and Google
deep mind together uh and and we've been
rapidly iterating since then uh we've
had uh you know now we have Gemini 2.5
outside we are working on Gemini 3.0
which we will release this year and and
the progress has been uh extraordinary
and I think the progress in 26 is going
to be even more exciting than 25 so I
couldn't be more excited
so now let's take a quick step into the
future so here we are you know we've all
been at Google we've seen the huge
transformation not only of Gemini but
you have an AI preview and all the
technology that you're pioneering and I
don't think I've ever seen the
organization go faster and quicker and
also be more determined and you know
it's it's good to have a competitor
right it gives you a little extra
motivation to keep go to get going and
number two is we see Google also
innovating in some extraordinary ways a
great example is I don't know if you've
been to San Francisco recently but we
have about 500 of these white cars
called Whimos going around and It's
amazing what Google has made. It's
incredible. And I will just, you know,
look at that and also think about and
reflect. Yesterday we had Brad Adcock
here who has this company called Figure
with Robots.
>> And, you know, I was asking him, you
know, what is the whole stack? You know,
there's the data centers, there's the
AI, and there's this kind of robotic
layer, you know, this kind of that that
it takes many different pieces to build
the whole system. end to end and you
know it's difficult you know Brett it
was a brilliant interview and he's just
an incredible person
um but he's got three or 400 or 500
people obviously all incredible led by
an incredible person but you have way
more than that and you have way more put
together and you're really far in a lot
of these areas you're very far on the as
well let's just start at the chip layer
at the data center layer at the at the
software layer at the agentic layer at
the applications layer, productivity
layer, partnerships. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And at the robotic layer as well. So now
there's no other company that has that.
I'm sure that this is the conversation
in the boardroom every day. I don't
really know. But this idea that Google
has this vision really guided by and you
have to give a lot of credit to these
two kids out of Stanford, Larry and
Sergey, who are still so active and see
them around all the time
>> and still so passionate and youthful.
>> And now here you are leading this
company, incredible company, this these
amazing values. We talked about the
heart of Google is still very much in
place. Now here we are. 2025. Now, we
look out over the next 10 years. People
are always overestimating what you can
do this year in 2025, underestimating
what Google's going to get done by 2035.
Take us out to 2035.
Take us into your biggest dream. Where
are we going? How are you going to
harness the power from the tensor to the
data center, the GCP,
Gemini, the applications, the
partnerships, the robots?
What are we going to see? What is going
to what is it going to look like 10
years from now in the mind of Sundar?
Look, I mean um I mean technology just
that just that yeah
uh both you and I have worked long
enough that you know you have to be
humble when you think about the future.
Uh but look, we make these long-term
bets. You know Whimo has been a very
very long journey, right? I'm proud of
the fact that over the past 10 years we
continued investing in Whimo. I remember
the team 3 years ago when we were coming
to San Francisco, we weren't sure how
this would work out. the thought in San
Francisco that you would have all these
cars driving around and and you'd have
to get it right putting safety first
etc. But in technology, you take these
long-term bets. Um, just last week, and
I'll answer your question, but just last
week, you know, I spent maybe two weeks
ago now. Uh, I I Monday, I'd gone to
Santa Barbara in our quantum lab. I met
with the team again. It's another
journey. We've been at it for more than
10 years. I think we have the leading
quantum lab in the world. Uh, I finished
spending my day. I left on Monday and
Tuesday morning, I found our chief
scientist there won the Nobel Prize uh
for uh physics. this year, right? And uh
and this is the second year in a row.
You mentioned Demis and John Jumper last
year, but we believe in that kind of
deep fundamental R&D, right? And and
with a view of translating that into
real products, that same quantum
computing team, no different from our
TPU teams, you know, plans to have
commercially available uh real atscale
quantum computers in a few years. And I
think they will get there, right? So
when you talk about now 10 years ahead,
we are building this digital
intelligence layer, not just us.
>> So 10 years quantum is real is your point.
point.
>> At least I I for sure think so. I'm very
very bullish and confident on it. I've
seen the
>> Is that going to put at odds
cryptography as we know it today? Are
cryptocurrencies going to be at risk
with quantum computing that can break
any any code, you know, available from a
Google or other vendors? I think in a 3
to 5 year thing we will have that moment
where from a cryptographic standpoint we
have to adapt to quantum for sure
>> but I think we will
>> that create a moment of vulnerability do
you think for all of these currencies
and all of this stuff
>> it will but I think as a society we
it'll also create an opportunity for
people to come and provide new solutions
>> if there is a trust gap at that moment
that could be very serious so it's
something that need everyone needs to be
mindful about
>> mindful of and I think there's so much
at stake I think we will you know we
will we who collectively work together.
Uh but on the positive side, you know,
if you ask me 10 years from, look, we we
are definitely going to have digital
super intelligence as a collaborator for
all of us. That is going to be a reality.
reality.
>> What does that mean? That has been a
phrase that everyone is starting to use,
but few have been able to define it.
Digital super intelligence. And is that
kind of where we're going then? It's 10
years. It's digital super intelligence.
It's quantum computing. Like we were
talking about AGI that term seems to be
dropped. That was this concept that the
software is so smart it's just writing
itself and it's the data centers are
being built by robots and it's just all
going in the book that Larry talks
about. You know we are Legion, we are
Bob. You know that that we're all off in
a rocket ship collectively waking up in
a robot. Is that what's what we're
talking about? >> No.
>> No.
>> Because we were talking about that
yesterday with Brett and I was like whoa
it was a trip. Look the the the one
thing we are so good at adapting. I
think we constantly underestimate right obviously
obviously
10 years ago we used to obsessively talk
about Turing tests like we kind of went
moved past it. The fact that our
self-driving cars driving in San
Francisco and you did you're right
they're driving around. It's kind of
like people are you know we just kind of
like I'm not sure my kids are impressed
by that. Right. So, it's just, you know,
like I am like blown away every time I
get in one of those cars because I've,
you know, seen the progress.
>> How many people here have been in a
Whimo? Raise your hand.
>> You know, uh,
>> how many people have not yet been in a
Whimo? Raise your hand.
>> Oh, well, there you go.
>> I mean, you should before you leave. And
like, you know, uh, you know, I would
check it out. But a great example is,
you know, I put my dad in the VHO. I sat
in the back seat. He was in the front
seat. I watched the one forum. It felt
like that science fiction, right? And my
kids, they quick got on their phones and
they were like whatever, right? And so
we have this remarkable ability to
adapt. So this notion they're just going
to have you know yesterday we announced
this wonderful collaboration with Yale
where you know we built a used
open-source models to build a a cellular
model on which you could target novel it
hypothesized novel possible approaches.
We took that and were able to recreate
that in a in the biological vet lab
scenario and see it actually works. This
is for future potential uh paths for
cancer. Like biologists are using alpha
fold. They are actually using open
source Gemini models. But all this is
happening. So I think if we
underestimate humanities, we are such a
remarkably resilient adaptive species.
You know, we're going to adapt to this
technology and it's going to be there
around. Are we going to invol are we
going to evolve into this technology
like people are talking about or is our
species going to be safe as a
>> you know as who we are today or will it
be an evolution or what's the what's
what what's in your mind around this
>> you know I'm always much more you know I
think our ability to harness this
technology uh I think we'll be able to
do that u you know some of your
questions maybe your guru might be
better equipped to answer.
>> I think you are my guru at this point.
>> Well, what's that?
>> You are my guru.
>> I I definitely am not. And uh you know,
so you know, so you know, I'm always
hesitant to think that way. I I I focus
on we have to be very responsible. Look,
it is powerful technology and you know,
I think the technology will be capable
of recursively self-improving over time.
So these are very profound questions and
we all have to be good stewards of it. I
view at any moment the technology is
going to progress. We should embrace and
innovate with it.
>> The benefits are going to be profound
but our responsibility as leaders is to
make sure we are leaving uh the world in
a better position for the next
generation than what we inherited.
That's how I think about we've seen
You mentioned the importance of getting
closer to the technology. This is your
passion. It's one of the reasons you
went to Google. We saw Google try to get
even closer with the first version of
glasses. You know, we've seen that. Do
you think Google will even do like a
brain machine interface? Do you see that
level of interface?
>> First of all, uh the glass stream has
never gone away. Right. I I think we are
working very hard on it. In fact, there
were many things which we worked on
which quite didn't work because AI
wasn't fully there right but now that
you truly have uh you know seamless AI
with intuitive interfaces for people be
it voice gestures vision etc the
multimodality of AI
Google Glass is going to be back and I
think it's going to be great um uh and
your question was sorry I started
thinking about Google Glass now
>> I just need to flick back on your brain
machine interface.
>> I mean brain m it makes a lot of sense
to me right. I think I think what Elon
and team are doing with Neuralink is
super inspiring when you see the
examples again you know when technology
people who have real disabilities and
and people being able to communicate
again etc. you know, some of the most
moving things I see, right? So, I think
I think it's a
>> it's totally incredible. Here at the
conference, we even had Eddie Chang from
UCSF who has this amazing new brain
machine interface company, Echonuro. We
even had Brian Johnson who had a brain
machine interface company. It was like
multiple brain machine.
>> This may be TMI, but you know, I've been
under anesthesia. Eddie Chang operated
on me. So, for what it's worth. Yeah.
So, he's a
>> I didn't know that.
>> So, he's a phenomenal
>> great a great surgeon.
>> He's a phenomenal neurosurgeon. I'm I'm
perfectly fine but he's a he's a
phenomenal uh neurosurgeon and so yeah
one of the best around in the world.
>> Very good. Well Sundar as we bring start
to bring this to a close first of all
let us express our sincere gratitude to
you for everything that you are doing in
your leadership and your vision um your
direction and also your core values
um are so well in place uh in yourself
and in Google. tell us, you know, what
would you like to uh bring to the
audience and and to the world in your
final comments in this Dreamforce interview?
interview?
>> Look, I mean, I would uh part of the
reason I'm here today. Uh we've
obviously worked for a long time
together. Uh we use Salesforce
extensively within Google. We've
expanded our partnership over time
because of the value you all bring. Uh
you've helped us be very very customer
focused as a company. I think the
opportunity we both see is uh you know
you've made this the theme of dream
force this year uh the agentic
enterprise I I look at the model
trajectory ahead uh you know as we are
working with Gemini 3.0 Oh, in 26 we're
going to make a uh you know we've
already had dramatic progress over the
past couple of years but the progress
ahead is palpably going to be you're
going to feel that the these models are
going to be really intelligent agents
and they're going to be more robust
agents and what we are working together
is to bring it in a way you know as a as
enterprises you want all of this to work
well together. You want this to be safe,
secure, the governance has to work, but
ultimately you're trying to unlock the
data in your enterprise and and solve
your use cases better than ever before.
I think that is the real opportunity we
have. What you're doing with Agent
Force, we're proud to partner by
bringing Gemini there and the chance to
do all this together for all of you in a
way that makes sense for you is what I'm
excited about. So, thank you for
>> Sundar on behalf of all of us and
Dreamforce. Thank you so much for coming
today. It's just a pleasure.
>> Thank you. That's great to see you. Awesome.
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