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GLOBAL AFRICAN HYDROGEN SUMMIT 2025 - 10 September 2025

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hold the b of lie but

motherland we

Let us all unite and celebrate together

Let us dedicate ourselves to rise together

together

to defend all liberty and unity.

Oh sons and daughters of Africa,

Honorable Natangu,

Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of

Industries, Mines and Energy, Republic

of Namibia. Honorable Ambassador Dr.

Karim Buende, director general of the

National Planning Commission of Namibia.

Honorable Cadencia Kerner, Deputy

Minister of Industries, Mines and Energy,

Energy,

Namibia. Honorable Dr. Emma Vitalis Obi,

Permanent Secretary, Ministry of

Petroleum Resources, Nigeria.

Honorable Jose Alexandre Barroso,

Secretary of State for Oil and Gas Angola.

Angola.

Honorable Engineer Yasin Muhammad, first

under secretary and supervisor of HSSE,

energy efficiency and climate, ministry

of petroleum Egypt.

Honorable Richard Mavisa Leona,

Secretary Geo Exploration, Ministry of

Energy and Petroleum Kenya.

Her excency Anna Beatrice Martins,

European Union ambassador to Namibia.

Dr. Jurgen Fredish, Ministerial Envoy

for International Hydrogen Projects,

German Federal Ministry of Economic

Dr. Kenny Tenza, Deputy Director

General, Technology Innovation,

Department of Science, Technology and Innovation,

Innovation,

Republic of South Africa. Honorable

Engineer Charles Tawa, Chief Director

Technical Services, Ministry of Mines

and Mining Development, Republic of Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe.

Honorable Fumihaki Ebihara, Director

General, New Energy and Industrial

Technology Development Organization,

Europe Special Advisor, Ministry of

Economy, Trade and Industry, Government

of Japan,

distinguished members of the diplomatic

corps, esteemed captains of industry,

esteemed members of the media,

distinguished ladies and gentlemen, a

very good morning and a particularly

warm welcome Welcome. My name is Denver

Kisting and I'm deeply deeply honored.

I'm so delighted. It's such an immense

pleasure to be in your company over the

next two days. This is the 2025 edition

of the Global African Hydrogen Summit.

Now, following the enormous

and certainly resounding success of the

inaugural edition of the Global African

Hydrogen Summit last year, DMG events

alongside its strategic partners and

valuable stakeholders

are delighted to host you once again

here in the Namibian capital, Ventuk.

Many of you traversed the length and

breadth of this planet to be with us for

this summit. And I would like us to give

Thank you very much. We are deeply

appreciative of you. Now we will be

convening under the very timely and as

far as I'm concerned very relevant theme

of ambition in action fueling Africa's

green industrialization revolution

interalia we will be taking stock of the

strides that we've made especially over

the past year but we certainly and that

is of fundamental importance will also

hold space for the opportunities that

continue to exist and that we need to

explore both individually but also

collectively to drive this agenda.

I'm super excited to be with you and I

hope you are too.

Without any further ado, we would like

to set the scene and we will in pursuit

of taking stock of the strides that

we've made as a country. no longer host

only, but certainly home for many of

you. And we'd like to thank you also for

your return visit to the land of the

brave. We do hope that this time around

you've scheduled some additional time.

We do hope that you managed to at least

pack in a loved one or two in your

suitcases to spend some more time beyond

So, as we explore the successes thus

far, as we set the scene for what lies

ahead, it gives me such great pleasure

to introduce to you a fireside chat

under the theme Africa's hydrogen on the

move, creating the global value chain

through demand and generation.

In that regard, I'm super delighted to

welcome to the stage none other than Mr.

Yiannis Michells, managing director,

High Iron Green Technologies. Shall we

please give Mr. Yiannis Mitchells a

massive round of applause? [Applause]

Thank you so much, Mr. Mitchell. You can

take a seat.

And joining us all the way from

Colombia, none other than the head of program

program

hydrogen program, Mr. James New. Shall

we please give him a massive round of

Greetings to you, Mr. Nupe. If you're

able to hear us, a very good morning to

you. We do know it's super early. Thank

you for your service to Namibia and to

this planet.

Good morning, Denver. I can hear you

well. Can you hear me?

We can hear you very well. Thank you so

much for joining us. Minister Nupia,

shall we get into it right away? Please

speak to us about the latest

developments as far as the green

industrialization agenda and revolution

Absolutely. So, first of all, let me

start off by saying that I I can see

everyone in the room and I can see that

everyone is way is dressed way smarter

than I am. This is what happens when you

arrive at a destination before your own

suitcase. Um, but nonetheless, I'm

extremely excited to to be here uh in

the uh in Colombia actually. And what

we're doing here at the moment is we're

trying to mobilize Namibia share of

about$ 1.7 billion US dollars um that we

now want to bring home and start

deploying into our projects uh into our

various projects that you will actually

be getting to know throughout the

summit. And so I think really this

summit is very up for what's happening

in Namibia for the longest time. since

uh five years ago, September 2020, we've

been talking about this idea, but this

is the year that we actually start

building. So, Johannes Mikls will tell

you about that. I think in a few uh in a

few days, Dares will be breaking that

ground on their ammonia sulfate plant.

And at the same time, you've got uh Alex

Sist and CNB and uh Clinigy beginning to

break uh to to actually open up their

hydrogen service station, which has now

started producing hydrogen. So indeed,

Namibia has now gone beyond the realms

of dreaming and it's now beginning to

construct, beginning to produce, and

beginning to implement. And it's an

extremely exciting time for all of us.

And what an honor it is for all of us to

be alive to witness it all happening.

Thank you so much for sharing that with

us, James and Yanice. Indeed, what James

has just shared with us, we have gone

beyond the realm of only dreaming. And

in that specific regard, it's been a

momentous year for High Iron. briefly

talk to us about the highlights thus

far, but also of a speak to us about a

very important agreement that is on the

cards and that we need to place in the

public domain.

Great. Yeah. Thank you very much Denver

for the warm welcome here and thank you

everyone for listening to us and

inviting me in the name of the high iron

team. Um so I speak in the name of uh

about 50 people who are today producing

a lot of iron and uh um hopefully soon

send it uh to Europe and um yeah this

year has been a very very exciting year

for us. Um so at first maybe I start a

little bit earlier even uh in April last

year we've started construction of uh

yeah the world's first uh industrial

production of iron at zero emissions. Uh

so that was in April when you uh also

gave the start um for us and for around

about 400 Namibians uh who uh built yeah

the world's uh most modern iron plant. Um

that warrants a round of applause please.

And uh yeah the success or um many

people didn't believe that it would be

possible to do this and also not

believed in that it would be possible to

do it in the time frame that we achieved

that and uh yeah I'm very very proud

that um yeah in April this year our

honorable minister who is also here

today uh together with our president

opened uh our factory and pressed the

button to produce the world's first

green iron at zero emissions and since

then I'm proud of the cooperation with

the ministry also because I think it was

in record in world record time uh that

we uh made an agreement with the world's

largest auto manufacturer uh the Toyota

group uh who would like to or who plan

to use our uh green iron to manufacture

uh the cast of tomorrow. Um and I think

the lead time and I have to thank our

minister and also Minangula

um was three weeks uh to have the

contract drafted and and made and uh

yeah in um Tokyo this year at the TikT.

It was signed uh with the intention of a

cooperation between the Toyota group um

our Ministry of Industrialization

um and um and and High Iron uh the team

on the ground uh to scale and

significantly scale the production of

green iron. Um so today we can produce

around about 15,000 tons uh of iron.

That's enough for 15,000 cars roughly.

Um but the Toyota group for example

builds every year 10 million cars. So uh

it is a massive uh a massive task that

we are facing and uh I'm yeah very very

proud of all the uh Namibians especially

also the young Namibians um uh that we

will uh go this way together uh to

industrialize and um yeah to to uh be a

meaningful partner to the world. And um

I think I see today a lot of people from

all around the world. Um so this

contract is for for example also only

possible uh because uh we have a very um

yeah uh distinct and straightforward

partner in the European Union uh who uh

nonetheless all the global developments

stand with their with the reg uh with

the rules of the seabbum the carbon

border adjustment mechanism. Um and that

is why today the car manufacturers uh

the big industrial players look to

Namibia because we can supply the green

products um um without uh or without

extra costs.

Thank you. Thank you James. You

certainly were also instrumental

and part of the high iron journey. What

does this milestone this agreement with

Toyota mean to you and to the program

Well, it means a lot, Denver. But

really, I think the one thing I'd love

to say about this achievement is it

really symbolizes or at least um it

represents the notion it takes a village

to raise a baby. Right. So, in the room,

I've noticed of course our deputy prime

minister is sitting right there, our

director general of the of the National

Planning Commission is sitting right

there. And of course, our deputy

minister of the Ministry of Industry,

Minds and Energy. And I think this trio

together with with cabinet and even the

president have really guided us over the

past five years and and we're now

organized uh ourselves even better to be

guided over the coming five years to

bring projects like high iron to

reality. As you heard Johannes Mikls to

get the agreement over the line in

Yokohama required us to work really 247

with teams back in Binduk under DPM's

office uh all the way with NIPB as well.

Um and then of course Toyota and and uh

and High Ion. So for me, you know, High

Iron success and the success of a lot of

the projects really has been built on

the back of steadfast leadership from uh

from our leaders and the one thing we're

looking forward to the most at least at

the program is beginning to usher in a

new uh leadership at the program and of

course opening up our new very

interesting baby we're calling the

African Sustainable Industrialization

Institute as well. all under the

leadership of our very very amazing government.

government.

I'm very tempted to say you just jumped

the gun, but I'm happy you did. So part

of what culminated is exactly that.

Speak to us about this very exciting

development and that what it'll mean for

our country to be hosting this institute.

Absolutely. So I this African

sustainable industrialization institute

was a vision that was really sort of

birthed uh uh with our discussions with

the United Nations about two to three

years ago when a lot of our um fellow

peers from around the continent wanted

to come to Namibia and learn about what

we were doing. Uh we then applied for

specific funding sometime last year with

the United Nations and some of that

funding actually went to NAS to start

building this institute. Um but I do

believe it was the Mauritanian

government that again asked a visit

under the help of UNDP and internally we

said look we've amassed such an amazing

amount of knowledge um how can we put it

together in an organized manner and

share it with our with our brothers and

sisters across the continent and this

idea and this notion of a continental

center of excellence. Yes, headquartered

in Namibia, but really in service of all

of our um peers across the continent in

the name of advancing the ideals of

agenda 2063 and the African continental

free trade area was then birthed. And so

as a team at the program, we've now

organized ourselves to really take that

opportunity uh by the scruff of the

neck. We've started engaging with

governments from Kenya, governments from

Botswana as well. Um, Johannes Mikls

actually hosted a bunch of climate

parliamentarians from around the world

in his uh in his uh facility just a few

months ago. And so Denver, this is

something I will now be looking to

concentrate on more and more in the

future. While we of course hand over the

leadership of the green hydrogen program

more and more to the likes of Joseph

Mckenda, Theopolina Kapani, the able

team that is able to stay at home and

still make sure the program is running

while the rest of us are trying to bring

opportunities from further a field. So I

would just argue that for more, please

visit our um our cubicle at the green

hydrogen program. There's a wall there

that begins to describe the ideals of

the African Sustainable

Industrialization Institute. And there's

no better person to question or to ask

about this than our director general of

the National Planning Commission. Um,

who's really been tasked with leading

the program and its activities in the

media going forward. So, we're very

excited, Denver, and thanks for giving

us an opportunity to talk about that.

Ambassador, he's putting you on the spot

there. Do we have any idea how big a

deal this is for Namibia to be hosting

the Africa Sustainable Industrialization

Institute and being at the forefront of

training sustainability? Shall we please

give Namibia a massive round of applause?

Yiannis, as we begin to wrap up our

brief fireside chat this morning, it is

important to have due regard to the

bigger picture. If we are serious about

creating a value chain, if we are

serious about creating a value chain,

not only locally, not only regionally or

on the continent, but globally, what

role do you foresee the high iron

project play in creating this global

value chain alongside iron, but steel

specifically, if we're talking about

green iron in particular?

Yes. So, I think the iron is really the

starting point. it is in the center of industrialization.

industrialization.

Um so every uh G20 country in the world

has a capacity to manufacture um iron

and uh with the press of the button in

April uh this year we in Namibia have

only become the 11th country in Africa

um to be able to manufacture iron. So um

I think this is the starting point and

we can see that because the energy basis

um that we can produce here in our

country um has become the cheapest

energy in the world. So um so so iron is

uh let's say the the the starting point

because we are very close to be

competitive uh with the conventional

prices for for iron made based on mostly

coal. Um but I think this is only the

starting point. Um we have to create

partnerships uh strong partnerships um

around the world because we cannot do it

all alone. um we um um need the partners

in financing in offtake and so on uh

from around the globe and um yeah I'm

very happy to see many of them here

especially also our partners who uh made

for example the Oshilla project possible

uh from the BMW

um in Germany who were our partners and

who are here again today um um I I think

um that together we can shape this new

uh value chains um and um I am yeah very

proud to have so many visitors here

today and as you said earlier I hope

many people stay longer and uh we would

really be like to become the hub the the

place where people come together and see

what is possible if you uh think

differently u think the value chains

differently and therefore yeah We are

also very happy to invite everyone to

come see what we are doing um as a group

of uh yeah Namibians um producing the

iron of tomorrow

and apart from that you and your partner

and the team you are all formidable hosts

hosts

thank you very much that's nice that you

say that

ladies and gentlemen in the words of

Yannes Michels managing director for

High Iron this is only the beginning and

none of this would be have been and will

be possible without your collaboration.

Shall we please put our hands together

for Mr. James Snoope as well as Mr. Yusa?

Thank you. Can we please give them

Thank you so much. I think the scene has

been set. I think we're ready to dig in

and dive in. Without any further ado,

and let's please be mindful of the very

precious resource called time. Indeed,

it is precious, but it's not infinite. I

would like us to please put our hands

together for Dr. Nangula Wanja, the

chief executive officer of the Namibia

Investment Promotion and Development

Board. Massive round of applause for the

Good morning and thank you very much

Denver for telling us to be mindful of

time. So I will try to be mindful of

time. Good morning ladies and gentlemen.

Good morning.

Thank you for greeting me. Uh, honorable

deputy prime minister, honorable

director general, uh, honorable deputy minister,

minister,

uh, members of parliament,

let me stand on the protocol already

observed in order to be able to, uh,

make sure that I observe the time that

is allowed. It is indeed an exciting day

and another year that we are here

celebrating the journey of green

hydrogen in Namibia and green hydrogen

in Africa and of course globally. And

that's why we call this event the global

Africa hydrogen summit recognizing and

celebrating the contribution of Africa

to green hydrogen and of course

celebrating the journey that the world

has taken in decarbonizing and also

recognizing the role that green hydrogen

had to play. Allow me a minute or two as

one of the founding members of the green

hydrogen council that was appointed by

the late president, his excellency hag

gang to just reminisce a bit on this

journey. It's a journey that started for

Namibia in 2021 or maybe a little bit

earlier. But it is a journey that was

also especially started by the private

sector. It's the private sector that

recognized Namibia's potential to

contribute to green hydrogen. It's a

number of companies that came and

approached us whether it is the Namibia

Investment Promotion and Development

Board or the Green Hydrogen C commission

or program today and said Namibia can

play a significant role and you have got

potential to contribute because of the

resources that you have and we have got

an interest and being the leader who he

was, the late president decided he will

definitely take up this call to make

sure that Namibia can contribute to the

world and can make sure that we take our

resources, make that contribution, but

of course for the benefit of the

Namibian people and for the benefit of

the African continent. So it was so fast

that by August 2021 we launched a

request of say is there anybody who

would like to partner with government

and fast forward to November 2021 we

announced who the winner was and yes 2022

2022

journey continued Namibia partnered with

the likes of the EU and other countries

in developing green hydrogen and getting

the support because we know that we

given the resource that we we have we

will have many of we will need many often

moving to 2023 in Dubai we launch this

event and many other activities and that

is the journey of the global Africa

hydrogen summit that is brought to you

by DMG that is endorsed by the republic

of the government of the republic of

Namibia with the support of uh the

minister Minister of the Ministry of

Industries, Mines and Energy uh Namibia

Investment Promotion and Development

Board and today as told headed by

National Planning Commission and we are

pleased that our leaders are here as we

celebrate the second edition of this event.

event.

So yes, last year we had the first event

and today we are here and it's my

understanding that we have got

representative from about more than 75

countries. So let me pause here and find

out. Let me see if you are visiting us

from outside Namibia. Let me see your

hand up. Wow.

Wow.

Uh let me see your hand up if you are

visiting us for the first time.

Wow. Okay. You somebody should have

taken a picture of that one. So we have

got actually many visitors that are

visiting us for the first time. Okay.

Now let's see how brave you are to

answer this one. Let me miss your end up

if you are staying for at least one

additional night. Either you came for

one additional night or two additional

nights just to enjoy Namibia.

Okay, we are making progress. Uh you can

still extend your ticket and leave a

little bit later, a day later or two. Uh

they say in Namibia you kind of cry

twice when you land, you land in the

middle of the desert and you wonder, "Oh

my goodness, what did I do in the middle

of nowhere? where did I come? And you

kind of cry that you want to go back.

But then when you experience the Namibians,

Namibians,

you cry when you leave because then you

don't want to go. You want to stay. But

hopefully you will come back and enjoy

much more because Namibia is not Vinduk.

Actually, this is not who we are.

Namibia is beyond Vinduk. If you want to

enjoy Namibia, you have to go to outside

Vinduk. So, welcome to Namibia.

And we know as it's been demonstrated

today that Namibia has made significant

progress and I'm sure that our leaders

will share some of that progress and not

only the progress but the commitment of

our current government. As we all know

that we are having our first female

president and we are now talking about

ambition in action and if you want to

see action welcome to the Namibia under

the leadership of her excellency Dr.

That is a Namibia that is demonstrating

ambition in action and we are saying

that the journey that we started of

green hydrogen we are seeing action

first through the development of the

green industrialization and everything

else that we need to do to support the

development of the Namibian economy to

create employment opportunities for our

people and of course to support the move

to decarbonize our planet. The progress

that is made today ad it it demonstrates

that Africa can make it work and Africa

can lead when we come together, when we

demonstrate our leadership and when we

collaborate. And today we know and we

understand that there's also many

representatives here today from many

African countries. Thank you for being

great brothers and sisters and thank you

for joining us at this event and for

being on this journey with us. It's also

demonstrates that partnerships are

vital. No one country, no one

organization can do it alone and

therefore we need to collaborate and we

need to support each other because the

task of decarbonizing the planet

requires all hands on deck.

And yes, we know that the world is a

global village. There is no way that you

can hide and close yourself in a corner.

We need each other. Since I've been

given five minutes while I'm enjoying

myself, let me come to concluding uh to

make conclusions and again just to

welcome all of you on behalf of the

organizers DMG events and our host Damian.

Damian.

Thank you very much for bringing this

event once more to Namibia

and uh Ministry of Industries, Mines and

Energy. Thank you DPM and your team DM

for being here and for supporting us for

this second year. Director General, the

MPC, we welcome everybody on your behalf

and for the leadership that you took to

make sure that this event is a success.

to all our partners that are indicated

here. Thank you for making sure that

this has been pulled off. As I am now

walking out before I go down, I would

like to help Denver in welcoming on

stage the director general of the

National Planning Commission who is

coming to make some remarks. He's a

ambassador Dr. Kende who has served

Namibia at various international

platform over many many years is not

just a very renowned diplomat he's an

economist and a business person who

understands what needs to be done with

the economy and we believe the national

planning commission under his leadership

will make sure that Namibia and Africa

indeed is able to show great progress on

thank you very much. Manangula,

honorable

Natanguet, Deputy Prime Minister and

Minister of Industries, Mines and Energy,

Energy,

Honorable Ministers and Deputy Ministers,

Ministers,

Permanent Secretaries from Namibia and

across the continent,

Her Excellency Anna Betris Martins,

other members of the diplomatic core,

distinguished industry leaders and innovators.

innovators.

Ladies and gentlemen,

good morning and a very welcome

I'm delighted to participate in the

opening of the global African hydrogen

summit 2025

which is attended by representatives

We have great expectations from the

summit to address Africa's energy

trilmma of energy security, energy

poverty, and to build climate resilience.

resilience.

Namibia and Africa have the potential to

be at the forefront of the green

industrial revolution.

We are endowed with urban solar and

water resources,

vast tracks of suitable land and a

stable regulatory environment to

uniquely position us as one of the

pioneers of a hydrogen economy that is

Director Zolu, ladies and gentlemen,

our national development plan

launched this year position green industrialization

industrialization

as a central pillar of our socio

economic transformation.

NDP6 sets bold targets for renewable

energy deployment,

green hydrogen production and value addition,

addition,

industrialization such as fertilizers,

green steel and clean fuels.

Critically, the plan is designed

to capture value along the entire

hydrogen value chain from production and

storage to local utilization in mining,

transport, and manufacturing.

Our approach is deliberate.

We are not content to be exporters of

raw molecules. We are committed to building

building

industries, creating jobs and empowering communities.

communities.

These ambitions

are underpinned by policy coherence to

ensure that there is alignment between

the multi the multiple domains of the

green hydrogen such as energy,

environment, industry,

trade, education and finance.

This is done to avoid multiplication,

inefficiency, and missed opportunities.

In short, the government of Namibia is

committed to ensuring that every aspect

of our hydrogen policy from investment,

incentives, and land use to training

programs and infrastructures development

is integrated and coherent in order to

ensure a just, inclusive, and

competitive hydrogen economy.

It is gratifying

to know that many investors have shown

keen interest to invest in Namibia,

in particular in the hydrogen economy.

We as government will do everything in

our power to ensure that your investment

yield high returns.

By the same token, we seek partnerships

that transfer skills, create jobs, and

build industries locally.

The hydro the hydrogen revolution must

not replicate

the extractive models of the past. It

must inaugurate a new era of value

addition on the Namibian soil.

As stated in the beginning, our people

have great expectations from this summit

with us. Employe the summit to craft

concrete resolutions,

actionable strategies and binding commitments.

commitments.

Uh with these few remarks,

I would like to thank you all for coming

to Namibia and uh for attending this

summit. And I thank you. [Applause]

[Applause]

Thank you so much, Ambassador Dr. Ka

Buende, Director General of the National

Planning Commission of Namibia. Shall we

please give him a massive round of applause?

applause? [Applause]

[Applause]

Ambassador Buenda made a very serious

public promise to you, our investors. He

said, "The Namibian government will

ensure that your investment will yield

high results, high returns." That

warrants another round of applause, please.

[Applause]

Ladies and gentlemen, we are

particularly honored today to be in the

midst of our deputy prime minister who's

also the minister seized with the

portfolios of industries, minds, and

energies, none other than honorable

Natang Eete. And we now have the

distinct pleasure of welcoming to the

stage for the keynote address. Shall we

please rise to welcome our keynote speaker.

Thank you so much. Please let's be seated.

Honorable ambassador Dr. Kim Wendy,

director general, National Planning Commission.

Commission.

Honorable uh

Cron, Deputy Minister of Minds of

Industries, Minds and Energy. Honorable

Honorable

Tom Aloendo,

our former minister of mines and energy.

Honorable Dr.

Vitalis Obi, Permanent Secretary,

Ministry of Petroleum Resources, Nigeria,

Nigeria,

Honorable Jose Alexandra Baros,

Secretary of State for Oil and Gas

Angola, Honorable

Yasin Muhammad, First Under Secretaries,

Supervised Energy Efficiency, Climate,

Ministry of Petroleum Egypt, Honorable Richard

Richard

Mavis Leia Hona Secretary Joe

Exploration Ministry of Energy Petroleum Kenya

Kenya

Dr. Frederick Ministerial Inway in the

National Hydrogen

Project German Federal Ministry of

Economics Affairs Energy Dr. Kenny

Kenny

Tenza, Deputy Director General

Technology Innovation at Department of

Science Technology Innovations, South Africa.

Africa. Honorable

Honorable

Charles Tua, Chief Director Technical

Service and Ministry of Mines and and

Mining Development, Zimbabwe.

Honorable Fiki Abiara, Director General,

New Energy and Industrial Technology

Development Organizations,

Europe Special Advisor, Ministry of

Economic Trade and Industry,

distinguished members of the

members of the diplomatic CP, extens

captains of industries,

members of the media,

ladies and gentlemen, Gentlemen, good morning.

I I really try to organi to to recognize

everyone, but I'm sure I've missed one

or two. It's is it's not deliberate.

I I I have uh I should please take it

that you are all recognized equally.

Please. And I appreciate all of you for

coming all 75

countries. Now mentioning 75 names is

just way too much. It's going to take up

the entire time and it will defeat the

purpose. Hence all of you are recognized.

recognized.

Ladies and gentlemen, it is an honor to

have you here in uh our capital city

window in the land of the brief and the

global Africa hydrogen conference

summit. This gathering is a meeting of

great minds both in in politic and industries.

It's therefore my hope that the Global

Africa Hydrogen Conference will be a

turning point, a moment where we we as

leaders, investors

and innovators committed to move from

promise on paper and speeches to

tangible progress

at a risk of sounding like a broken record.

record.

As deputy prime ministers and minister

of industries, Minds and Energy, my

message to you today is simple. We have

spoken enough.

We have writen enough. Now let us

transform our speeches into real results

that our people can see and feel. Let us

make a real impact in the livelihood.

Access on to health service and education

education

for Namibia. Green industrialization

is a pathway to dignity, jobs and

empower empowerment for our communities.

It is a catalyst to breaking this cycle

of exporting raw materials

and import dependency. Our collective

vision must be to process our minerals

here in Namibia and Africa to power our

homes and industry with our own

renewable resources

and build a new economy where Namibian

young people, women and workers in our

towns and villages are direct

beneficiaries of this green trans transition.

transition.

I commend the already visible investment

in a large scale production of green

hydrogen which is essential to our

country ambitions to become a green

hydrogen hub for African continent.

in this area. Let us now work on

consuming what we produce locally to drive

drive

local industrializations,

value addition and the energy security

because while the flagship projects such as

hyphen green hydrogen, Doris green

hydrogen ora ion oil and

clean solutions s are achieving

remarkable milestone. Our work is not

done if the youth in our villages cannot

point to the in impact of those project

in their in their lives.

We will fail in our effort if we cannot

tell our parents in the community level

how many job we have created. How many

young people are been trained with new

skills? How

women been empowered to lead in these

sectors. how we ensure that energy

scarcity is been eradicated and not

reduced. Let this conference be road map

to answering those questions not through

estimations but practicals.

Ladies and gentlemen,

our policies

are clear through NDP6

and our commitment to in environmental,

social and governance principle.

Yet the true me measure

of success will not be in how attractive

our policies look to in investors

but how deeply transform lives of our citizens.

citizens.

That is why I challenge all of us

gathered here today. Let each of us

commit to impactful,

measurable goals we can report and

celebrate next year whenever we come

together again. We must demand accountability

accountability

from ourselves and from each other. Each

project must be able to point school

building, skills transfer, families

lifted out of poverty and communities

made stronger. This is the test of

leadership and this is how we will write

a new story for African continent. One

resilience, progress and shared prosperity.

Our country is not only taking talking

about hydrogen but we are also building

industry across our sectors. Join us

built Namibia in Africa to succeed. Let

us merge our vision with actions,

ambitions with delivery and policy with impact.

impact.

Ladies and gentlemen, let us put amii

ambitions in our actions to fuel Africa

green industrial industrial revolution.

I wish you a pleasant deliberation and I

am looking forward receiving the report

of a resolutions and a recommendation. I

please give our deputy prime minister

and the minister of industries, Mines,

and energy another round of applause, please?

please? [Applause]

It's a very serious clarion call to all

of us. The question that we must answer

if we embark on the monitoring and

evaluation process is how many Namibian

families have we truly lifted out of

poverty. Our policies certainly cannot

only be attractive to our investors, but

at the heart of these policies must be

the transformation of ordinary Namibians.

Namibians.

Thank you for reminding us honorable

deputy prime minister that we are

constructing, we are curating, we're

building a new economy where our

granny's, our grandfathers, our brothers

and our sisters, everyone in every

village across the length and breadth of

this republic can be part of can be a

direct beneficiary of this green

industrialization. He deserves another

The honorable deputy prime minister also

reminded us that our work is far from

done unless young people are able to

point out to us how their lives have

been positively impacted. And speaking

of young people, the Global African

Hydrogen Summit strongly advocates for

young people, students, young

professionals, and young entrepreneurs

to participate meaningfully in the

hydrogen sector, particularly those

shaping Africa's hydrogen future. In

that regard, I'm super excited that the

next very innovative session inspired by

the globally renowned TED talks. We will

hear directly from young Africans, from

young Namibians.

Without any further ado, I'd like to

invite you to please put your hands

together for none other than Fineyu,

junior project developer, technical at

hyphen hydrogen energy, as well as

Michael Clutter, junior project

developer, environmental hyphen hydrogen

Uh, thank you, director of ceremonies.

All protocol observed. Good morning,

distinguished guests, honorable

delegates, and esteemed leaders.

My name, as you heard, is Michael

Clutter. I just going to give you a

background about us. I'm a junior

project developer for the environmental

work stream at hyphen hydrogen energy

and I studied geoin information science

at the University of Namibia. I have

some background in environmental impact assessments,

assessments,

geo hydra hydrogeeological

investigations, town and regional

planning and environmental compliance

monitoring for some mining and

construction projects.

I've also contributed to a few major

tenders around the country, uh, namely

township establishments and water supply

upgrades regionally.

Um, excuse me. Hyphen is the largest

project I've worked on thus far and I'm

honored to be part of it. It's the most

exciting opportunity and the biggest

project of this scale.

It's my first opportunity to work on a

single development

and I began as an intern last year um

moving from a role of learning into the

junior project developer space where I

manage some specialist contracts and consultants

consultants

uh while continuing to learn every day.

My colleague beside me uh Finey Pumbu.

She's a junior project developer for the

technical workstream. Uh she has a

background in civil engineering and a

master's degree in project management.

Naturally, she ended up in the

construction sector. Her curiosity

spiked. Uh she started looking around

for other prospects and ended up in the

energy space. She

She

mentioned to me that pivoting into a new

industry was quite daunting at first, but

but

as I said, her curiosity was spike uh

sparked an interest in her and she saw

an opportunity to be part of bigger I

something bigger than herself.

After endless efforts of applying to

different companies, here she is today

standing on stage, part of the renewable

energy space, better yet the up and

cominging hydrogen industry.

Thank you.

This journey is proof that sometimes you

just need to be bold enough to try.

Changing direction or taking a leap into

something new can feel intimidating, but

often it's a step that leads to growth,

purpose, and impact. Over to you, Fenny. [Applause]

[Applause]

So just like my colleague Michael and I

have had the opportunity to grow within

this industry, there are many young

people across Namibia who are also

stepping into this exciting space. Today

we are proud to announce the green

hydrogen youth ambassadors.

This platform, the green hydrogen youth

ambassadors program was created through

the Namibian German climate energy

partnership, hyphen, jis and the Namibia

green hydrogen program. The primary aim

of this program is to bring together

motivated young leaders from all 14

regions and to equip them with

knowledge, skills, and a sense of

responsibility as advocates for Nibia's

green hydrogen journey.

With 71% of Namibians being under the

age of 35, their voices and their energy

are vital in shaping a sustainable and

an inclusive future. These ambassadors

will act as a bridge between government,

industry, and communities in a

collective effort to position Namibia at

the forefront of Africa's green hydrogen

revolution. It is now my pleasure to

announce the green hydrogen youth

ambassadors of 2025.

So I'll call out the ambassadors by

region, by name, and also by their qualifications.

qualifications.

From the Komas region, we have Mandera

Mandero, quantity surveying. [Applause]

[Applause]

Can I kindly ask um the audience to hold

their applause until all the names are

called out just for time sake. Okay. Um

Sonoma region, Tulip Pom, civil engineering,

engineering,

Max, mechanical engineering from the

Omaha region. Hidea mechanical

engineering, Pauline, geo information engineering

engineering

from the Karas region. Freda, electrical

engineering, Emanuela, industrial

engineering. Hard of the Hardup region.

Jason, chemistry

and Hera, journalism and media.

From the Orango region, Ebenezer, Energy

Management and Development.

Samuel, environmental health science.

From Kavango West, we have Hiku,

electrical engineering.

And Judith, microbiology

from the Oshikoto region. Lawrence,

industrial engineering.

Cherylyn, computer science.

From the Zambzi region, we have Martin Agriculture.

Agriculture.

Thomas, civil engineering.

From Kabango East, we have Jessica,

electrical engineering.

Thomas, economics.

Irene, mining engineering.

From the Oshana region, we have Maria,

energy economics.

Chris, mining engineering.

From the Kuna region, we have Usuza Rua,

mechanical engineering,

and Gabi Puyet, um, power engineering.

From the Ohana region, we have Susanna,

electrical engineering,

and Benedictus, environmental science.

From the Omosati region, we have Joseph,

electrical engineering

and Techla, renewable energy. And last

but not least, from the Utton Dupa

region, we have Angela, renewable energy.

You You guys look amazing. Can you give

us a spin so we can see the back of your

shirt, please?

Can we give him another round of applause?

applause? [Applause]

[Applause]

I'd now like to call on Irene who is one

of our ambassadors and she'll give us an

account on behalf of them um just of her

experience and what she's learned. Irene.

Irene. [Applause]

Nelson Mandela once said, "Sometimes it falls upon a generation to

"Sometimes it falls upon a generation to be great. You can be that generation."

be great. You can be that generation." On Monday during the launch of the

On Monday during the launch of the hyphen skill census, Joseph Surace

hyphen skill census, Joseph Surace reminded that of us. He said, "This is

reminded that of us. He said, "This is your moment. Grab it.

your moment. Grab it. The message is not only for us, the 28

The message is not only for us, the 28 green hydrogen youth ambassadors that

green hydrogen youth ambassadors that are standing here,

are standing here, but the message is for each and

but the message is for each and everybody in this room

everybody in this room because moments are fragile.

because moments are fragile. They only matter when they turn into

They only matter when they turn into movements.

movements. Distinguished leaders, global leaders,

Distinguished leaders, global leaders, colleagues, friends,

colleagues, friends, allow me to greet you today. Thank you

allow me to greet you today. Thank you for this opportunity to represent my

for this opportunity to represent my fellow youth ambassadors.

My name is Irene Zenetto Kabura and I am a mining engineering student, Ministry

a mining engineering student, Ministry of Mines. I see you right there. Maybe

of Mines. I see you right there. Maybe this is an opportunity.

People often say Namibia is ambitious but what we are doing is not mere

but what we are doing is not mere ambition. Ambition is optional.

ambition. Ambition is optional. Responsibility is not. And each of us

Responsibility is not. And each of us here carries that responsibility.

We carry a responsibility to this democracy. A social contract to ensure

democracy. A social contract to ensure that hydrogen power and everything green

that hydrogen power and everything green does not just benefit

does not just benefit not does not just benefit the mere

not does not just benefit the mere Namibians but every Namibian. We

Namibians but every Namibian. We transform it into local content.

The green hydrogen youth ambassadors program gave us knowledge. We learned

program gave us knowledge. We learned about power to X, about how electrolysis

about power to X, about how electrolysis uses abundant solar and resources to

uses abundant solar and resources to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. We

split water into hydrogen and oxygen. We learned how green hydrogen decarbonizes

learned how green hydrogen decarbonizes industries like shipping, steel, and

industries like shipping, steel, and fertilizers

fertilizers and how it can position Namibia as a

and how it can position Namibia as a global supplier in the market that is

global supplier in the market that is still growing. Most importantly, we

still growing. Most importantly, we learned that hydrogen is not just

learned that hydrogen is not just chemistry. It is a future that can

chemistry. It is a future that can create jobs, drive skills, and give

create jobs, drive skills, and give young Namibians like me a reason to stay

young Namibians like me a reason to stay and build a home.

and build a home. Now, we can go back to our universities,

Now, we can go back to our universities, our schools. I can go back to Kavango

our schools. I can go back to Kavango region in Kuranguru

region in Kuranguru and I can go back and teach these

and I can go back and teach these communities and inspire them. But

communities and inspire them. But inspiration without structure is not

inspiration without structure is not enough. Namibia's sixth national

enough. Namibia's sixth national development plan speaks

development plan speaks sorry Namibia's six national development

sorry Namibia's six national development plan speaks of youth employment,

plan speaks of youth employment, industrialization and innovation. The

industrialization and innovation. The sustainable development goals call for

sustainable development goals call for clean energy, quality education and

clean energy, quality education and decent work.

decent work. The real measure of this program will

The real measure of this program will not be the certificates we hold, but how

not be the certificates we hold, but how many of us move into internships? How

many of us move into internships? How many of us move into laboratories? How

many of us move into laboratories? How many of us startups

many of us startups and into boardrooms?

and into boardrooms? How many of us our ideas grow into

How many of us our ideas grow into enterprises with lighting our homes,

enterprises with lighting our homes, powering industries, and creating

powering industries, and creating livelihoods?

livelihoods? Hyphen,

Hyphen, distinguished leaders, global leaders

distinguished leaders, global leaders and partners in this room.

and partners in this room. You have 28 green hydrogen youth

You have 28 green hydrogen youth ambassadors in your proximity today.

ambassadors in your proximity today. Let history not say that you trained

Let history not say that you trained ambassadors and let them go. Let it say

ambassadors and let them go. Let it say that you trained ambassadors and gave

that you trained ambassadors and gave them pathways to lead.

them pathways to lead. Excellencies,

Excellencies, [Applause]

[Applause] excellencies, distinguished delegates,

excellencies, distinguished delegates, Namibia story is not just ambition. It

Namibia story is not just ambition. It is courage. It is endurance. It is the

is courage. It is endurance. It is the belief that a small nation can lead the

belief that a small nation can lead the global energy revolution. But courage

global energy revolution. But courage must meet structure and leadership will

must meet structure and leadership will be measured not only by the scale of the

be measured not only by the scale of the projects we launch but by how inclusive

projects we launch but by how inclusive and enduring they became. My name is

and enduring they became. My name is Irene Zinetto Kabura and I wonder I know

Irene Zinetto Kabura and I wonder I know my fellow youth ambassadors wonder I

my fellow youth ambassadors wonder I know somebody who's watching this

know somebody who's watching this wonders

wonders when the gates of this green transition

when the gates of this green transition open will there be space for us to walk

open will there be space for us to walk through?

through? This is the challenge before us. This is

This is the challenge before us. This is the opportunity before you. This is the

the opportunity before you. This is the test for this generation. May you be

test for this generation. May you be great. Like how Nelson Mandela said,

great. Like how Nelson Mandela said, thank you. God bless Namibia.

Thank you, Irene. Um, can I call on the respective

Um, can I call on the respective representatives on stage for a photo,

representatives on stage for a photo, please?

Shall we please give our young people another round of applause?

another round of applause? [Applause]

Shall we please give our young people another round of applause?

Honorable Deputy Prime Minister, I'm no longer a young person, unfortunately,

longer a young person, unfortunately, but I do remain young at heart. I think

but I do remain young at heart. I think the young people are tangibly

the young people are tangibly demonstrating that they're doing all the

demonstrating that they're doing all the things that need doing, including

things that need doing, including seeking job opportunities while you are

seeking job opportunities while you are here at the podium. Therefore, another

here at the podium. Therefore, another round of applause, please.

round of applause, please. [Applause]

[Applause] In the event that you respond to one of

In the event that you respond to one of the following names, I'd like to kindly

the following names, I'd like to kindly invite you to join me in one of the

invite you to join me in one of the chairs in front. In the event that you

chairs in front. In the event that you respond to one or more of the following

respond to one or more of the following names, I'd like to invite you to please

names, I'd like to invite you to please join me on stage. Honorable Natanguete,

join me on stage. Honorable Natanguete, Honorable Ambassador Dr. Karim Buende,

Honorable Ambassador Dr. Karim Buende, Honorable Kadenia Kroner, Dr. Nangula

Honorable Kadenia Kroner, Dr. Nangula Wanja, as well as Mr. Damian Howard. In

Wanja, as well as Mr. Damian Howard. In the likely event that you respond to one

the likely event that you respond to one or more of those names, kindly join me

or more of those names, kindly join me on the chairs provided in front. The

on the chairs provided in front. The sport of running teaches us that if it's

sport of running teaches us that if it's not documented, it didn't happen.

not documented, it didn't happen. Therefore, we need to document the fact

Therefore, we need to document the fact that this did happen.

I'm told that the the deputy prime minister is indeed allowed to smile.

Thank you so much. Shall we please give them another round of applause?

them another round of applause? [Applause]

There are multiple photographers in our midst. By a show of hands, have the

midst. By a show of hands, have the official photographers done what they

official photographers done what they needed doing? Thank you very much,

needed doing? Thank you very much, distinguished ladies and gentlemen. I'm

distinguished ladies and gentlemen. I'm told that you are formally excused from

told that you are formally excused from the stage. Another round of applause,

the stage. Another round of applause, please. for them to take with them.

None of this would be possible without the generous sponsorship of our

the generous sponsorship of our partners. I would thus like to call on

partners. I would thus like to call on the following partners to please send

the following partners to please send one representative to the stage and then

one representative to the stage and then in the spirit of healthy living also

in the spirit of healthy living also reinvite our dignitaries to kindly also

reinvite our dignitaries to kindly also join our partners and our sponsors for

join our partners and our sponsors for another picture with your indulgence.

another picture with your indulgence. Honorable Deputy Prime Minister, one

Honorable Deputy Prime Minister, one representative each

representative each GIZ

GIZ hyphen Hydrogen Energy

hyphen Hydrogen Energy Bank Vinsuk,

Bank Vinsuk, the Capricorn Group, Global Gateway,

the Capricorn Group, Global Gateway, KSB,

KSB, No Man, ESSA, Air Products, Namibia

No Man, ESSA, Air Products, Namibia Tourism Board, the European Investment

Tourism Board, the European Investment Bank, NM H2O Fund Managers, Rest for

Bank, NM H2O Fund Managers, Rest for Africa, Itasca, one representative each

Africa, Itasca, one representative each of those organizations. Kindly join me

of those organizations. Kindly join me on stage alongside our dignitaries with

on stage alongside our dignitaries with your indulgence. Honorable deputy prime

your indulgence. Honorable deputy prime minister, if it's not documented, it

minister, if it's not documented, it didn't happen.

GIZ hyphen hydrogen energy bank ventuk capricorn group global gateway ksban

capricorn group global gateway ksban unsa air products namibia tourism board

unsa air products namibia tourism board European investment bank h2 fund

European investment bank h2 fund managers rest for Africa

The photographer opa means some serious business.

The honorable deputy prime minister is allowed to smile. I'm told I have it on

allowed to smile. I'm told I have it on very good authority.

Shall we please give them a massive round of applause.

round of applause. [Applause]

Thank you so very much to our dignities but also to our partners, our sponsors,

but also to our partners, our sponsors, our stakeholders. None of this would

our stakeholders. None of this would have been possible. We appreciate you.

have been possible. We appreciate you. Distinguished

Distinguished ladies and gentlemen, with that we've

ladies and gentlemen, with that we've come to the end of the official opening.

come to the end of the official opening. Please take note of the following very

Please take note of the following very important international announcement.

important international announcement. Our guest of honor, who is our deputy

Our guest of honor, who is our deputy prime minister and the minister

prime minister and the minister responsible for the portfolios of

responsible for the portfolios of industries, Minds and Energy as well as

industries, Minds and Energy as well as the delegation will now tour our

the delegation will now tour our exhibition hall in the company of Mr.

exhibition hall in the company of Mr. Damian Howard from GMG and the rest of

Damian Howard from GMG and the rest of us may grab a very quick cup of coffee.

us may grab a very quick cup of coffee. We are reconvening in this room at

We are reconvening in this room at exactly 20 minutes past the hour of 11.

exactly 20 minutes past the hour of 11. Please look to your right and look to

Please look to your right and look to your left. Kindly look to your left.

your left. Kindly look to your left. Kindly look to your right. See who your

Kindly look to your right. See who your neighbor is. You're not allowed to

neighbor is. You're not allowed to return without them. Thank you very

return without them. Thank you very much. Please give yourselves a big round

much. Please give yourselves a big round of applause.

Please give yourselves a big round of applause.

ladies and gentlemen, this is the Global African Hydrogen Summit. Thank you so

African Hydrogen Summit. Thank you so much for joining us after our coffee

much for joining us after our coffee break. We do hope and believe that your

break. We do hope and believe that your strengths have been restored and we're

strengths have been restored and we're ready to tackle the rest of the program.

ready to tackle the rest of the program. We have quite a bit to get through. So

We have quite a bit to get through. So it is our hope that we will be able to

it is our hope that we will be able to honor the very precious but

honor the very precious but unfortunately finite resource called

unfortunately finite resource called time. Without any further ado, I'm

time. Without any further ado, I'm particularly excited about this session

particularly excited about this session as it will lay bare again some of the

as it will lay bare again some of the highlights, some of the strides that we

highlights, some of the strides that we are making not only as the host country

are making not only as the host country Namibia but also as an African

Namibia but also as an African continent.

continent. So I'll be moderating this panel

So I'll be moderating this panel discussion focusing on Africa's green

discussion focusing on Africa's green energy projects landscape in a

energy projects landscape in a multifaceted global energy market. It

multifaceted global energy market. It gives me such great pleasure to call to

gives me such great pleasure to call to the stage

the stage honorable ambassador Dr. Kauman Buende,

honorable ambassador Dr. Kauman Buende, director general of the National

director general of the National Planning Commission of Namibia.

Planning Commission of Namibia. Ambassador, it would be great if you

Ambassador, it would be great if you could just occupy the second seat

could just occupy the second seat starting from my left. Thank you very

starting from my left. Thank you very much.

much. Thank you, your excellency.

Thank you, your excellency. Next up, Your Excellency, Anna Beatric

Next up, Your Excellency, Anna Beatric Martins, European Union ambassador to

Martins, European Union ambassador to Namibia.

Just the seat next to Ambassador Buendia, please, your Excellency. Thank

Buendia, please, your Excellency. Thank you very much.

you very much. I'd also like to call to the podium

I'd also like to call to the podium please honorable engineer

please honorable engineer Yasin Muhammad first under secretary and

Yasin Muhammad first under secretary and supervisor of HSSE energy efficiency and

supervisor of HSSE energy efficiency and climate ministry of petroleum Egypt.

Thank you very much. Allow me to also please call on honorable Richard Mavisi,

please call on honorable Richard Mavisi, Secretary Geo Exploration, Ministry of

Secretary Geo Exploration, Ministry of Energy and Petroleum.

Thank you so much. Last but not least, Dr. Echa Vitalis Obi, Permanent

Dr. Echa Vitalis Obi, Permanent Secretary, Ministry of Petroleum

Secretary, Ministry of Petroleum Resources in Nigeria. Shall we please

Resources in Nigeria. Shall we please give them a massive round of applause?

certainly does not constitute a massive round of applause.

round of applause. [Applause]

Thank you very much, Ambassador. Without any further ado, I would like us to

any further ado, I would like us to please get into it. We know that Namibia

please get into it. We know that Namibia has emerged as a key player in green

has emerged as a key player in green hygien

hygien development on the African continent and

development on the African continent and you also alluded to it in your address

you also alluded to it in your address earlier. speak to us about the role

earlier. speak to us about the role specifically of the National Planning

specifically of the National Planning Commission in aligning long-term

Commission in aligning long-term national development goals with this

national development goals with this green industrialization agenda.

green industrialization agenda. Well, uh thank you very much. I think

Well, uh thank you very much. I think first of all we have to realize that uh

first of all we have to realize that uh green hydrogen

green hydrogen uh is not you know a pet project as it

uh is not you know a pet project as it were. Uh we believe that it's part of

were. Uh we believe that it's part of our national development plan. Um it's a

our national development plan. Um it's a new source of income and uh it's a

new source of income and uh it's a diversification of our economy from our

diversification of our economy from our traditional you know mining, agriculture

traditional you know mining, agriculture and so forth. Uh and therefore we expect

and so forth. Uh and therefore we expect a lot from that new sector uh in terms

a lot from that new sector uh in terms of uh new in terms of uh job creation

of uh new in terms of uh job creation uh development of technology

uh development of technology uh and and so forth. But for us our role

uh and and so forth. But for us our role is to ensure that there is synergy and

is to ensure that there is synergy and alignment

alignment uh between our overall national

uh between our overall national development program because there are

development program because there are specific infrastructures that are needed

specific infrastructures that are needed by particular industries whether it's

by particular industries whether it's mining uh oil and gas and uh of course

mining uh oil and gas and uh of course also the green hydrogen

also the green hydrogen but these all have to be aligned and

but these all have to be aligned and therefore for us to is to ensure that

therefore for us to is to ensure that there is common use of infrastructure,

there is common use of infrastructure, common use infrastructure that can be

common use infrastructure that can be used by the different sectors of the

used by the different sectors of the economy and and therefore as a

economy and and therefore as a coordinator of economic development, we

coordinator of economic development, we have to ensure that all the interests of

have to ensure that all the interests of all the sectors of the economy are taken

all the sectors of the economy are taken into account and they are also

into account and they are also integrated

integrated uh to generate

uh to generate value as it were. Ambassador both

value as it were. Ambassador both aligned but certainly integration are no

aligned but certainly integration are no walks in the park but fundamentally

walks in the park but fundamentally important. Speak to us about how we

important. Speak to us about how we intend as a government but specifically

intend as a government but specifically as far as the NPC is concerned to ensure

as far as the NPC is concerned to ensure that that alignment actually happens to

that that alignment actually happens to ensure that that much needed integration

ensure that that much needed integration actually happens.

actually happens. Yes. Uh in fact we have been at it. We

Yes. Uh in fact we have been at it. We have been uh engaging various sectors of

have been uh engaging various sectors of the economy, the oil and gas uh look at

the economy, the oil and gas uh look at their requirements um agriculture and

their requirements um agriculture and you know we have actually a master plan

you know we have actually a master plan for what we call uh infrastructures of

for what we call uh infrastructures of the future

the future and through this infrastructure of the

and through this infrastructure of the future that's where you take care of the

future that's where you take care of the interests of the various uh sectors and

interests of the various uh sectors and they're actually complimentary and and

they're actually complimentary and and you gain cost efficiency uh by

you gain cost efficiency uh by providing infrastructure for the various

providing infrastructure for the various sectors of the economy and and I think

sectors of the economy and and I think that is really where we are focusing uh

that is really where we are focusing uh and that's why uh this program is coming

and that's why uh this program is coming under so that it benefits from our

under so that it benefits from our uh dead eye view of the entire uh

uh dead eye view of the entire uh economy and not just one sector.

economy and not just one sector. Thank you very much Ambassador Martins.

Thank you very much Ambassador Martins. We're so happy to have you on board

We're so happy to have you on board today. The European Union has been at

today. The European Union has been at the forefront both in terms of

the forefront both in terms of investment but certainly also support.

investment but certainly also support. Speak to us about the latest

Speak to us about the latest developments in that regard.

developments in that regard. Thank you. And before anything, let me

Thank you. And before anything, let me congratulate uh and commend uh the

congratulate uh and commend uh the Namibian government for organizing this

Namibian government for organizing this conference global Africa hydrogen

conference global Africa hydrogen summit. It's it's a real milestone and

summit. It's it's a real milestone and uh an opportunity for all the green

uh an opportunity for all the green hydrogen champions to come here together

hydrogen champions to come here together and to reflect how to move forward on

and to reflect how to move forward on this very ambitious agenda. Uh as

this very ambitious agenda. Uh as regards the EU for the EU for for for

regards the EU for the EU for for for you and our member states the 27 it is a

you and our member states the 27 it is a priority uh and a target to to become um

priority uh and a target to to become um carbon neutral economies by 2050. And so

carbon neutral economies by 2050. And so these uh targets that we set ourselves

these uh targets that we set ourselves uh in in inside the U are reflected also

uh in in inside the U are reflected also in our priorities with our partner

in our priorities with our partner countries and notably Africa. We have a

countries and notably Africa. We have a global gateway um investment initiative

global gateway um investment initiative Africa that was launched in 2022

Africa that was launched in 2022 with a with Africa and a and underpinned

with a with Africa and a and underpinned by a budget of 150 billion euros for

by a budget of 150 billion euros for from 21 to 27. So this um let's say it

from 21 to 27. So this um let's say it underpins everything we do in Africa as

underpins everything we do in Africa as well in in Namibia and specifically on

well in in Namibia and specifically on investments under the global gateway we

investments under the global gateway we have a a facility that is called

have a a facility that is called European fund for sustainable

European fund for sustainable development plus uh with 26.7 billion

development plus uh with 26.7 billion euros in guarantees

euros in guarantees um of EIB lending. So and uh and

um of EIB lending. So and uh and actually we have just launched a new

actually we have just launched a new facility specifically for for a more

facility specifically for for a more flexible uh funding opportunity,

flexible uh funding opportunity, investment opportunity. But I'd like to

investment opportunity. But I'd like to focus on Namibia because that's a real

focus on Namibia because that's a real success story. We have several

success story. We have several partnerships, green hydrogen strategic

partnerships, green hydrogen strategic partnerships with African countries and

partnerships with African countries and uh and Egypt, Morocco, Moritania

uh and Egypt, Morocco, Moritania and uh Kenya and Namibia. And uh we're

and uh Kenya and Namibia. And uh we're very proud of the partnership we have

very proud of the partnership we have with Namibia. was the first strategic

with Namibia. was the first strategic partnership on green hydrogen and

partnership on green hydrogen and critical role material value chains

critical role material value chains which we established uh in 22 in the

which we established uh in 22 in the margins of COP between late president

margins of COP between late president Gangop and the comm commission president

Gangop and the comm commission president Fonda line uh and we've come a long way

Fonda line uh and we've come a long way in these three years if we look at what

in these three years if we look at what is already happening we listen to

is already happening we listen to Johannes Miles this morning and high

Johannes Miles this morning and high iron and um but to to say how how we

iron and um but to to say how how we partner with Namibia on this this

partner with Namibia on this this strategy that that Namibia has chosen

strategy that that Namibia has chosen the green industrialization

the green industrialization is that we collaborate in what we call a

is that we collaborate in what we call a three 360 degree approach that is we not

three 360 degree approach that is we not only provide um blended finance to

only provide um blended finance to companies like Hyon uh or or others but

companies like Hyon uh or or others but we also provide funding and support for

we also provide funding and support for the regulatory framework notably of that

the regulatory framework notably of that is worked on by the team of gender new

is worked on by the team of gender new pay green hydrogen program.

pay green hydrogen program. Ambassador, with your indulgence, may I

Ambassador, with your indulgence, may I interject for a brief moment? We run the

interject for a brief moment? We run the risk of singing to the choir, but there

risk of singing to the choir, but there also thousands of Namibians tuned in on

also thousands of Namibians tuned in on NBC at the moment who may wonder what

NBC at the moment who may wonder what business would the EU have in investing

business would the EU have in investing and supporting Namibia's green

and supporting Namibia's green industrialization agenda. of course

industrialization agenda. of course bearing in mind that the pursuit is to

bearing in mind that the pursuit is to cater for the needs of the entire planet

cater for the needs of the entire planet not only limited to Namibia or to the

not only limited to Namibia or to the African continent. So in lay person

African continent. So in lay person terms just share with us what business

terms just share with us what business the EU has in investing and in

the EU has in investing and in supporting Namibia's green

supporting Namibia's green industrialization agenda please.

industrialization agenda please. It's a very clear agenda as two agendas.

It's a very clear agenda as two agendas. Uh, one is to bring prosperity to

Uh, one is to bring prosperity to Namibia to um partner with Namibia on

Namibia to um partner with Namibia on its green industrialization agenda which

its green industrialization agenda which is intended to to generate wealth to

is intended to to generate wealth to generate decent or quality jobs to to

generate decent or quality jobs to to bring energy distribution to a wider

bring energy distribution to a wider population to also develop a new uh

population to also develop a new uh trade area, new business. And for us it

trade area, new business. And for us it help any country that develops when our

help any country that develops when our partners

partners uh can build prosperity through

uh can build prosperity through partnership. Uh that's that's a win

partnership. Uh that's that's a win because that is uh contribution to

because that is uh contribution to stability in the world and we have our

stability in the world and we have our own climate agenda as I as I mentioned

own climate agenda as I as I mentioned to you our own targets that we need to

to you our own targets that we need to deliver on when where Namibia can make

deliver on when where Namibia can make an very important contribution.

an very important contribution. Thank you so much ambassador honorable

Thank you so much ambassador honorable Muhammad we're very happy to have you on

Muhammad we're very happy to have you on board as well. Very often we as small

board as well. Very often we as small there may be a think that we may have

there may be a think that we may have invented green hydrogen but that

invented green hydrogen but that certainly isn't the case and we're here

certainly isn't the case and we're here to collaborate. We're here to learn from

to collaborate. We're here to learn from one another. We'd like to hear from you

one another. We'd like to hear from you which are the key projects around green

which are the key projects around green hydrogen in particular but perhaps green

hydrogen in particular but perhaps green industrialization in general in Egypt

industrialization in general in Egypt that you'd like to share with us today.

that you'd like to share with us today. Thank you Mr. Diver for your question.

Thank you Mr. Diver for your question. First uh it's a great honor for me to be

First uh it's a great honor for me to be here in this beautiful country uh to

here in this beautiful country uh to participate in the second editions of

participate in the second editions of the African global uh hydrogen summit.

the African global uh hydrogen summit. Really uh I am impressed by what I see

Really uh I am impressed by what I see here in Namibia and uh the hospitality I

here in Namibia and uh the hospitality I found from the Namibian people. Thank

found from the Namibian people. Thank you very much.

you very much. It's not clear.

Uh Africa holds some of the richest renewable uh resources in the world uh

renewable uh resources in the world uh giving uh it unmatched potential to

giving uh it unmatched potential to produce green hydrogen at scale. Um,

produce green hydrogen at scale. Um, according to the IAA's uh global uh uh

according to the IAA's uh global uh uh Africa energy outlook in 2022,

Africa energy outlook in 2022, the continent could produce five

the continent could produce five gigatons of hydrogen by 2030, a volume

gigatons of hydrogen by 2030, a volume equivalent to today's entire global

equivalent to today's entire global energy supply and more than 2,000 times

energy supply and more than 2,000 times uh current global hydrogen output. For

uh current global hydrogen output. For this uh reason in Egypt which is located

this uh reason in Egypt which is located at the crossroads of continents and

at the crossroads of continents and global trade routes uh Egypt is uniquely

global trade routes uh Egypt is uniquely positioned to become a key hydrogene

positioned to become a key hydrogene supplier both regionally and globally.

supplier both regionally and globally. We start by setting some incentive

We start by setting some incentive frameworks

frameworks uh for investment.

uh for investment. uh uh Egypt enacted the green hydrogen

uh uh Egypt enacted the green hydrogen on derivatives uh incentive law in

on derivatives uh incentive law in January 24. Uh the law offers a wide

January 24. Uh the law offers a wide range of benefits, tax incentives,

range of benefits, tax incentives, reduction in land use fees and

reduction in land use fees and streamlined regulatory measures uh to

streamlined regulatory measures uh to create a worldclass enabling environment

create a worldclass enabling environment for uh investor.

for uh investor. We have uh some projects

We have uh some projects um with a cooperation with petroleum

um with a cooperation with petroleum ministry and the private sector in

ministry and the private sector in Egypt. Uh also with some um uh global uh

Egypt. Uh also with some um uh global uh players in hydrogen.

players in hydrogen. uh we start to translate Egypt low

uh we start to translate Egypt low carbon strategy into actions uh in

carbon strategy into actions uh in partnership with Norwegian company

partnership with Norwegian company Scatic uh and Ministry of Petroleum

Scatic uh and Ministry of Petroleum affiliates companies uh we start a

affiliates companies uh we start a pioneering projects in this country

pioneering projects in this country currently under implementation for

currently under implementation for production of 150,000 tons of green

production of 150,000 tons of green ammonia uh with investments of more than

ammonia uh with investments of more than 900 million US dollars

900 million US dollars uh the project's company the meter green

uh the project's company the meter green ammonia production company was uh

ammonia production company was uh incorporated in August 23 uh as a first

incorporated in August 23 uh as a first ever company to be established digitally

ever company to be established digitally in Egypt

in Egypt uh during Egypt EU investment conference

uh during Egypt EU investment conference held in June last year um

held in June last year um uh the head of terms for renewable

uh the head of terms for renewable ammonia oftake for the project was

ammonia oftake for the project was signed with Yara Clean ammonia is

signed with Yara Clean ammonia is awarded largest trader and distributor

awarded largest trader and distributor of ammonia. Subsequently another key

of ammonia. Subsequently another key milestone was achieved for the project

milestone was achieved for the project through signature of the term sheet for

through signature of the term sheet for the project of take with yara during the

the project of take with yara during the visit of his excellency uh president of

visit of his excellency uh president of Egypt u to Norway in December 24. During

Egypt u to Norway in December 24. During the sh the same Egypt EU investment

the sh the same Egypt EU investment conference, the oftake agreement was

conference, the oftake agreement was signed of green hydrogen project marking

signed of green hydrogen project marking one of uh leading oftake agreement for

one of uh leading oftake agreement for green ammonia across the globe.

green ammonia across the globe. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Now the strides that you as a

Thank you. Now the strides that you as a country have been making are undisputed.

country have been making are undisputed. Your strategic geographical location

Your strategic geographical location also needs to be highlighted. But what

also needs to be highlighted. But what many of us also want to know is not only

many of us also want to know is not only limited to Egypt, but as a continent,

limited to Egypt, but as a continent, which are the hurdles, which are the

which are the hurdles, which are the stumbling blocks that Egypt needs to

stumbling blocks that Egypt needs to overcome, that Namibia needs to

overcome, that Namibia needs to overcome, that we as a continent need to

overcome, that we as a continent need to seize in order to unlock the true

seize in order to unlock the true potential of the green industrialization

potential of the green industrialization agenda to ensure that ordinary Africans

agenda to ensure that ordinary Africans benefit from this agenda.

benefit from this agenda. Uh Egypt shares the same challenges that

Uh Egypt shares the same challenges that the entire world is facing for the

the entire world is facing for the development of green hydrogen including

development of green hydrogen including securing hydrogen of takers and

securing hydrogen of takers and long-term contracts to support

long-term contracts to support investment technology transfer research

investment technology transfer research cooperation and investment facilitation

cooperation and investment facilitation optimizing the green hydrogen production

optimizing the green hydrogen production process to increase efficiency and

process to increase efficiency and improve cost competitiveness.

improve cost competitiveness. alignment of certification mechanisms,

alignment of certification mechanisms, adequate infrastructure to connect

adequate infrastructure to connect demand and supply. That's the same

demand and supply. That's the same challenge that we face. Thank you very

challenge that we face. Thank you very much honorable MVC. We know that Kenya

much honorable MVC. We know that Kenya has been a regional leader in renewable

has been a regional leader in renewable energy particularly in geothermal and

energy particularly in geothermal and wind power. Now, as global energy

wind power. Now, as global energy dynamics shift with increasing

dynamics shift with increasing geopolitical and climate pressures, how

geopolitical and climate pressures, how is Kenya positioning its green energy

is Kenya positioning its green energy strategy to ensure that it not only

strategy to ensure that it not only meets its own demands but also that it's

meets its own demands but also that it's able to become a net energy exporter.

able to become a net energy exporter. Okay, thank you very much for this

Okay, thank you very much for this opportunity to discuss Kenya's green

opportunity to discuss Kenya's green energy development strategy. Uh I begin

energy development strategy. Uh I begin by saying actually Kenya is a pace

by saying actually Kenya is a pace setter in the green energy revolution in

setter in the green energy revolution in Africa and our green energy strategies

Africa and our green energy strategies build on a strong foundation.

Okay. Uh I was saying a Kenya is a pace setter in the green revolution in Africa

setter in the green revolution in Africa and our green energy strategy is built

and our green energy strategy is built on a strong foundation of diverse and

on a strong foundation of diverse and abandoned renewable energy resources

abandoned renewable energy resources especially geothermal wind and solar. Uh

especially geothermal wind and solar. Uh so far our electricity

so far our electricity 93% of electricity is sourced from

93% of electricity is sourced from renewables mainly driven by geothermal.

renewables mainly driven by geothermal. So what Kenya is doing right now is

So what Kenya is doing right now is trying to strategically reposition its

trying to strategically reposition its efforts in developing renewable energy

efforts in developing renewable energy particularly Jammo because we have

particularly Jammo because we have achieved this feat mainly depending on

achieved this feat mainly depending on Jammo as our base load that has been

Jammo as our base load that has been publicly funded through our enterprises

publicly funded through our enterprises Kenya Gen Ken and GDC. But over time the

Kenya Gen Ken and GDC. But over time the physical space is being constrained. So

physical space is being constrained. So we are shifting the implementation

we are shifting the implementation frameworks to innovative uh frameworks

frameworks to innovative uh frameworks whereby we have public entities

whereby we have public entities partnering with the private sector

partnering with the private sector institutions to finance geothermal

institutions to finance geothermal development so that uh we have an

development so that uh we have an accelerated development of our of our

accelerated development of our of our geothermal resources. So we have uh

geothermal resources. So we have uh projects lined up in our key fields

projects lined up in our key fields incaria about 140 megawatt and 63

incaria about 140 megawatt and 63 megawatt being rehabilitated. We have

megawatt being rehabilitated. We have about 70 megawatt from menai. There's a

about 70 megawatt from menai. There's a prime field bingo salali under our

prime field bingo salali under our development company which has attracted

development company which has attracted key strategic investors from around the

key strategic investors from around the globe from the Middle East, Indonesia

globe from the Middle East, Indonesia trying to come and partner so that we

trying to come and partner so that we have we can realize these projects in a

have we can realize these projects in a very very quick manner and further we

very very quick manner and further we have uh strategic investments also in in

have uh strategic investments also in in wind and solar. So in order to balance

wind and solar. So in order to balance off the our backload and our the

off the our backload and our the intermittences also we have battery

intermittences also we have battery energy storage solutions under

energy storage solutions under development to try and balance the our

development to try and balance the our our increasing variable energy resources

our increasing variable energy resources and our base load so that we have a

and our base load so that we have a stable grid. And just to to strengthen

stable grid. And just to to strengthen our position, we have also a very robust

our position, we have also a very robust regulatory

regulatory and and policy framework. So we have a

and and policy framework. So we have a an advanced energy policy that gives

an advanced energy policy that gives clear uh areas of investments mainly

clear uh areas of investments mainly renewable energy and also

renewable energy and also having various regulations to to spur

having various regulations to to spur the local participation in green and

the local participation in green and energy development especially solar

energy development especially solar where we have the net metering

where we have the net metering regulations that offer opportunity for

regulations that offer opportunity for consumers and producers with excess

consumers and producers with excess power to to plug into the grid.

power to to plug into the grid. Thank you.

Thank you. Yes. Thank you.

Yes. Thank you. It's one thing to have a conducive

It's one thing to have a conducive regulatory and legislative and policy

regulatory and legislative and policy environment in place. It's something

environment in place. It's something else for that policy to be translated

else for that policy to be translated into action and see to it that the

into action and see to it that the people of Kenya are the true

people of Kenya are the true beneficiaries.

beneficiaries. with the surge in interest not only in

with the surge in interest not only in Kenya but in the African continent as

Kenya but in the African continent as far as this green industrialization

far as this green industrialization agenda is concerned. How do you ensure

agenda is concerned. How do you ensure that you implement those noble policies

that you implement those noble policies to make sure that these green projects

to make sure that these green projects are in fact inclusive and representative

are in fact inclusive and representative of the national development goals of the

of the national development goals of the Republic of Kenya.

Republic of Kenya. Okay. Thank you. First of all, we have

Okay. Thank you. First of all, we have uh our guiding planning framework, the

uh our guiding planning framework, the list cost power development plan that

list cost power development plan that organizes projects that will be coming

organizes projects that will be coming into the pipeline and the policies and

into the pipeline and the policies and regulatory frameworks are anchored

regulatory frameworks are anchored aligned to our national development

aligned to our national development blueprint which is the vision 2030 and

blueprint which is the vision 2030 and the constitution. And this one has set

the constitution. And this one has set very clear targets as a country where by

very clear targets as a country where by we we meet our energy needs and also our

we we meet our energy needs and also our climate commitments. In order to ensure

climate commitments. In order to ensure inclusivity,

inclusivity, we we put in place various policy

we we put in place various policy interventions which are provided for

interventions which are provided for under the energy act that promotes the

under the energy act that promotes the local content to ensure the locals are

local content to ensure the locals are empowered and they get the benefits from

empowered and they get the benefits from the projects. And we also have uh

the projects. And we also have uh programs to empower the the Kenyan

programs to empower the the Kenyan professionals and the small medium

professionals and the small medium enterprises and our companies to be

enterprises and our companies to be equipped with the skills and also

equipped with the skills and also develop the human capacity in the tates

develop the human capacity in the tates so that they are able to participate in

so that they are able to participate in the energy projects to ensure

the energy projects to ensure inclusivity and the energy policy

inclusivity and the energy policy exclusively recognizes issues to do with

exclusively recognizes issues to do with gender equity and sustainable

gender equity and sustainable development. so that there's there's

development. so that there's there's clear parity and equity in the

clear parity and equity in the participation of uh our people. So

participation of uh our people. So thank you.

thank you. Yeah,

Yeah, Dr. Obi, we are very delighted to have

Dr. Obi, we are very delighted to have you on board. You have the daunting task

you on board. You have the daunting task of striking a balance between what

of striking a balance between what appears to be an impossible balance to

appears to be an impossible balance to strike with the recent global shift

strike with the recent global shift towards clean energy. speak to us about

towards clean energy. speak to us about how Nigeria manages

how Nigeria manages to attract investment in the clean

to attract investment in the clean energy sector and at the same time

energy sector and at the same time leveraging your existing oil and gas

leveraging your existing oil and gas resources

resources for economic development.

for economic development. Um, thank you for that question.

Um, thank you for that question. Um first of all, Nigeria

Um first of all, Nigeria has embraced the global energy

has embraced the global energy transition and seen it as a strategic

transition and seen it as a strategic opportunity to be able to attract um

opportunity to be able to attract um sustainable investment, strengthen

sustainable investment, strengthen energy security and promote the economy

energy security and promote the economy for inclusive growth. All this in line

for inclusive growth. All this in line with our national development plan

with our national development plan Nigeria agenda 2050.

Nigeria agenda 2050. On board we have a petroleum industry

On board we have a petroleum industry act and that petroleum industry broke

act and that petroleum industry broke the sectors into the upstream downstream

the sectors into the upstream downstream and the midstream um portions of our

and the midstream um portions of our energy industry which led us to create

energy industry which led us to create regulatory agencies the national union

regulatory agencies the national union um uh national commission for our

um uh national commission for our regulation of the upstream and also the

regulation of the upstream and also the authority for regulation of the

authority for regulation of the downstream and the midstream as well.

downstream and the midstream as well. And this has actually helped the

And this has actually helped the investor to help that actually helped to

investor to help that actually helped to promote investor confidence as well as

promote investor confidence as well as to ensure fiscal stability in this

to ensure fiscal stability in this sector. And the heart of this we we

sector. And the heart of this we we already have proven reserves of 210.5

already have proven reserves of 210.5 trillion cubic feet of gas with the

trillion cubic feet of gas with the potential of escalating it to 600

potential of escalating it to 600 million uh trillion cubic feet of gas.

million uh trillion cubic feet of gas. And then we're also prioritizing some

And then we're also prioritizing some major projects that promotes gas as well

major projects that promotes gas as well with a pipeline extending from Ajakuta

with a pipeline extending from Ajakuta through Kaduna to Kano and uh through

through Kaduna to Kano and uh through the tan desert which we have already

the tan desert which we have already made 86% of that um completion. Also we

made 86% of that um completion. Also we have a major flagship project which has

have a major flagship project which has to do with the Nigerian liqufied natural

to do with the Nigerian liqufied natural gas project where we have train 7. 27 is

gas project where we have train 7. 27 is very very upstream um very very upbeat

very very upstream um very very upbeat and could produce up to 8 million tons

and could produce up to 8 million tons of gas to our liquified natural gas um

of gas to our liquified natural gas um capacity

capacity and we also went into signing an

and we also went into signing an agreement with um total energies on the

agreement with um total energies on the production sharing um contract and that

production sharing um contract and that takes care from our energy sector in the

takes care from our energy sector in the Niger Delta uh region. And that brings

Niger Delta uh region. And that brings me to a very important aspect of our

me to a very important aspect of our embracing the national the energy

embracing the national the energy transition program. May 2025 this year,

transition program. May 2025 this year, we launched the national energy

we launched the national energy transition policy, complemented it with

transition policy, complemented it with the energy transition plan to be able to

the energy transition plan to be able to achieve our our energy access by 2030

achieve our our energy access by 2030 and net zero emissions by60.

and net zero emissions by60. But crucially is the national hydrogen

But crucially is the national hydrogen policy. that national hygiene policy is

policy. that national hygiene policy is our own it's our own our own analysis

our own it's our own our own analysis our own um brainchai to be able to

our own um brainchai to be able to enhance and promote existing gas

enhance and promote existing gas infrastructure for blue hydrogen as well

infrastructure for blue hydrogen as well as scaling green hydrogen for enables

as scaling green hydrogen for enables for a long-term approach. We also have

for a long-term approach. We also have the presidential compressed natural gas

the presidential compressed natural gas initiative where we want to where we

initiative where we want to where we have already converted so many cars

have already converted so many cars running from fuel to diesel to gas and

running from fuel to diesel to gas and also producing hybrid vehicles on that

also producing hybrid vehicles on that extent. So Nigeria also has opportunity

extent. So Nigeria also has opportunity to host the Africa Energy Bank and this

to host the Africa Energy Bank and this bank with a capitalization of 5 billion

bank with a capitalization of 5 billion is set to be able to help us to produce

is set to be able to help us to produce infrastructure for clean energy

infrastructure for clean energy grow the hydrogen market as well as

grow the hydrogen market as well as create align I mean climate aligned

create align I mean climate aligned petroleum industry policies that will

petroleum industry policies that will help us um u come up with clean energy

help us um u come up with clean energy policies for our ecosystem. So in

policies for our ecosystem. So in essence, Nigeria is taking advantage of

essence, Nigeria is taking advantage of this plan to be able to leverage it gas

this plan to be able to leverage it gas wealth as a red development of a

wealth as a red development of a hydrogen powered future as well as

hydrogen powered future as well as foster renewable energy Niger within our

foster renewable energy Niger within our uh ecosystem. Thank you so much.

uh ecosystem. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. What you're sharing

Thank you very much. What you're sharing with us is that two things can be true

with us is that two things can be true at the same time and those two

at the same time and those two industries can coexist. Ambassador

industries can coexist. Ambassador Buende,

Buende, I also have a question for you as far as

I also have a question for you as far as striking a balance is concerned. Yes,

striking a balance is concerned. Yes, Nimia welcomes foreign direct

Nimia welcomes foreign direct investment. At the same time, we have to

investment. At the same time, we have to ensure that our people are at the heart

ensure that our people are at the heart of this agenda. How do we strike that

of this agenda. How do we strike that balance between attracting muchneeded

balance between attracting muchneeded foreign direct investment and ensuring

foreign direct investment and ensuring that our investors are happy and at the

that our investors are happy and at the same time seeing to it ensuring that our

same time seeing to it ensuring that our natural resources benefit the people of

natural resources benefit the people of Namibia?

Namibia? Well, thank you very much. Um,

Well, thank you very much. Um, first of all, you know, the a certain uh

first of all, you know, the a certain uh there are benefits with foreign direct

there are benefits with foreign direct investments. uh they bring capital uh

investments. uh they bring capital uh they bring technology and they help us

they bring technology and they help us to develop resources that we have not

to develop resources that we have not been able to do so uh for a variety of

been able to do so uh for a variety of reasons. Um but that said the we have a

reasons. Um but that said the we have a a policy framework within which they

a policy framework within which they operate and the issue of um of

operate and the issue of um of beneficiation

beneficiation and value addition now is at the

and value addition now is at the forefront of our agenda so that we do

forefront of our agenda so that we do not continue to export raw material as

not continue to export raw material as it were and create jobs elsewhere but

it were and create jobs elsewhere but these jobs must be created locally. Uh

these jobs must be created locally. Uh so the idea is to make sure that our

so the idea is to make sure that our natural resources

natural resources uh provide optimal benefits to our

uh provide optimal benefits to our people. The question is whether it is

people. The question is whether it is done by a foreigner or a national it's

done by a foreigner or a national it's it's neither here nor there. As long as

it's neither here nor there. As long as these resources

these resources uh are utilized optimally, there is

uh are utilized optimally, there is local value addition that create jobs

local value addition that create jobs and of course contribute to um skills

and of course contribute to um skills development and so forth. So there is

development and so forth. So there is foreign direct investment

foreign direct investment cannot be a threat uh to our national

cannot be a threat uh to our national development. It's in fact an integrated

development. It's in fact an integrated part of our of our natural of our

part of our of our natural of our national development. Thank you,

national development. Thank you, Ambassador. Ambassador Martins, you've

Ambassador. Ambassador Martins, you've touched on it in your introductory

touched on it in your introductory overview already, but what is the impact

overview already, but what is the impact that you know Namibia people will enjoy

that you know Namibia people will enjoy based on the EU's investment? And what

based on the EU's investment? And what is your hope for the expansion and the

is your hope for the expansion and the growth of this relationship in the near

growth of this relationship in the near future?

future? Um, I think it's above all a

Um, I think it's above all a transformational relationship. It's a

transformational relationship. It's a relationship that uh is has a potential

relationship that uh is has a potential to contribute to to Namibia's

to contribute to to Namibia's transformation.

transformation. towards green industrialization with all

towards green industrialization with all the potential that that it has that we

the potential that that it has that we that we touched upon and diversifying

that we touched upon and diversifying its trade in its economy but also

its trade in its economy but also generate jobs. One of the next um

generate jobs. One of the next um f one of the next activities we're

f one of the next activities we're looking at together with with

looking at together with with ambassador's team is to uh is to

ambassador's team is to uh is to strengthen and and expand vocational

strengthen and and expand vocational training abilities and we've seen the 20

training abilities and we've seen the 20 28 green heritage and ambassadors here

28 green heritage and ambassadors here before.

before. This is where we want to go. We already

This is where we want to go. We already collaborate with a Namibian training

collaborate with a Namibian training agency and we're we're soon going to

agency and we're we're soon going to inaugurate another uh exciting vocation

inaugurate another uh exciting vocation training um a institution in ino region

training um a institution in ino region because that is investments need to go

because that is investments need to go with skills and that is what we're what

with skills and that is what we're what we'll be focusing on and uh I think that

we'll be focusing on and uh I think that also coincides

also coincides marries with the objectives of the NDP6

marries with the objectives of the NDP6 to empower youth to strengthen their

to empower youth to strengthen their skills and uh and offer quality job

skills and uh and offer quality job opportunities for them and this is a

opportunities for them and this is a sector where we see a lot of potential.

sector where we see a lot of potential. Thank you Ambassador. Dr. Oi, as we

Thank you Ambassador. Dr. Oi, as we start wrapping up our conversation,

start wrapping up our conversation, speak to us about your final thoughts on

speak to us about your final thoughts on Africa's green energy projects landscape

Africa's green energy projects landscape in a multifaceted global energy market.

in a multifaceted global energy market. Your final thoughts, please.

Your final thoughts, please. Okay. Um this is a very gluous

Okay. Um this is a very gluous opportunity for Africa to embrace. I'm

opportunity for Africa to embrace. I'm happy that many players in the continent

happy that many players in the continent and they're embracing this policy. I'm

and they're embracing this policy. I'm also happy that Namibia is taking the

also happy that Namibia is taking the lead in this as well. So congratulations

lead in this as well. So congratulations to her and other major players in the

to her and other major players in the ecosystem have to also do likewise

ecosystem have to also do likewise particularly now we have to focus on

particularly now we have to focus on actually building capacity. We have to

actually building capacity. We have to train future energy experts in this

train future energy experts in this field. Empower them to take the

field. Empower them to take the leadership and then countries also need

leadership and then countries also need to provide an adequate portion of the

to provide an adequate portion of the national budget as uh domicide in their

national budget as uh domicide in their national plan to drive development in

national plan to drive development in this sector. so that we'll come out of

this sector. so that we'll come out of the doldrums and have an energy uh

the doldrums and have an energy uh policy and security that will help us

policy and security that will help us drive industrial landscape across the

drive industrial landscape across the continent. Thank you so much.

continent. Thank you so much. Thank you so much Honorable Maisi. Your

Thank you so much Honorable Maisi. Your final thoughts.

Okay. Thank you very much. My final thought is uh this uh green hydrogen

thought is uh this uh green hydrogen industry is a very is exciting for

industry is a very is exciting for Africa and uh we need to to really

Africa and uh we need to to really structure our projects so that we have

structure our projects so that we have all that is required especially focusing

all that is required especially focusing on capacity building financial structure

on capacity building financial structure of the projects and the implementations

of the projects and the implementations bringing together various key players

bringing together various key players especially financiers implementers and

especially financiers implementers and to ensure Africa is able to to run

to ensure Africa is able to to run across the value chain and deliver green

across the value chain and deliver green hydrogen and its derivatives to grow the

hydrogen and its derivatives to grow the economies creating new industries and

economies creating new industries and ensuring food security for sustainable

ensuring food security for sustainable development. Thank you very much.

development. Thank you very much. Thank you so much. Food security is

Thank you so much. Food security is always crucial. Honorable Muhammad, your

always crucial. Honorable Muhammad, your final thoughts at this juncture, please.

final thoughts at this juncture, please. Um uh uh collaboration uh between all

Um uh uh collaboration uh between all stakeholders is very important uh to

stakeholders is very important uh to unlock the full potential of hydrogen

unlock the full potential of hydrogen production to unlock the full pro

production to unlock the full pro potential of hydrogen production in

potential of hydrogen production in Africa and globally. Uh cooperation

Africa and globally. Uh cooperation among aller is a key address current

among aller is a key address current challenge of the hydrogen landscape. uh

challenge of the hydrogen landscape. uh overcoming the challenges facing the

overcoming the challenges facing the hydrogen economy globally and in Africa

hydrogen economy globally and in Africa requires coordinated aouch that include

requires coordinated aouch that include facilitating long-term take agreements

facilitating long-term take agreements investment in infrastructure promoting

investment in infrastructure promoting hydrogen industry localization

hydrogen industry localization such as uh such an integrated approach

such as uh such an integrated approach will help secure green hydrogen

will help secure green hydrogen investment facilitate implementation of

investment facilitate implementation of projects and realize Africa's and

projects and realize Africa's and Egypt's vision to becoming a regional

Egypt's vision to becoming a regional and global green hydrogene hub. Thank

and global green hydrogene hub. Thank you.

you. Without a doubt, ambassador, your final

Without a doubt, ambassador, your final thoughts, please.

thoughts, please. Ambassador Martins.

Ambassador Martins. Yes. Well, remain we remain uh very

Yes. Well, remain we remain uh very committed to this path of the strategic

committed to this path of the strategic partnership with Namibia. It's one of

partnership with Namibia. It's one of the success stories of uh of the

the success stories of uh of the European Union in in Africa and uh but

European Union in in Africa and uh but it's still a steep steep mountain to

it's still a steep steep mountain to climb and we all we we can't let go or

climb and we all we we can't let go or be relaxed. We need to all remain

be relaxed. We need to all remain focused and committed and put our forces

focused and committed and put our forces together with private sector donors,

together with private sector donors, government, uh, investors, developing

government, uh, investors, developing banks in order to reach reach the aim

banks in order to reach reach the aim of, uh, of turning Namibia into one of

of, uh, of turning Namibia into one of the leaders in in green

the leaders in in green industrialization and helping also other

industrialization and helping also other countries, not only Europe, but also in

countries, not only Europe, but also in Asia, where there's interest in the

Asia, where there's interest in the Namibian story to help them uh,

Namibian story to help them uh, decarbonize our economies and our and

decarbonize our economies and our and our globe.

our globe. Thank you, Ambassador. It remains

Thank you, Ambassador. It remains fundamental that we cannot afford to

fundamental that we cannot afford to rest on our laurels. All hands on deck

rest on our laurels. All hands on deck throughout. Ambassador Buenda, you have

throughout. Ambassador Buenda, you have the final word at this juncture, please.

the final word at this juncture, please. Well, um I think my final word is that

Well, um I think my final word is that the green hydrogen

the green hydrogen um it's a new opportunity is a new

um it's a new opportunity is a new sector of the economy. uh and therefore

sector of the economy. uh and therefore uh it has to play by different rules

uh it has to play by different rules than the rules by which uh previous

than the rules by which uh previous investing did like the mining which was

investing did like the mining which was primarily in the extractive sector. uh I

primarily in the extractive sector. uh I think the question of diversification

think the question of diversification from the word go uh of creating

from the word go uh of creating different or producing different

different or producing different derivatives from green hydrogen such as

derivatives from green hydrogen such as uh fertilizers and so forth but also the

uh fertilizers and so forth but also the development of local capacity to manage

development of local capacity to manage this uh particular industry. See foreign

this uh particular industry. See foreign uh investment is important but you have

uh investment is important but you have to build uh local capacity. You have to

to build uh local capacity. You have to build local competitive companies and

build local competitive companies and that is really what we are looking

that is really what we are looking forward in this kind of partnership so

forward in this kind of partnership so that we also developed a local capacity

that we also developed a local capacity uh for the development and

uh for the development and diversification. Um the beauty of green

diversification. Um the beauty of green hydrogen is that it cuts so many se

hydrogen is that it cuts so many se through so many sector from agriculture

through so many sector from agriculture to mining and and and so forth. Uh and

to mining and and and so forth. Uh and therefore to us could be a very

therefore to us could be a very important

important um sector for the transformation of our

um sector for the transformation of our economy. Ladies and gentlemen, please

economy. Ladies and gentlemen, please give our panel a massive round of

give our panel a massive round of applause.

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Welcome back. This is the global African hydrogen summit and we are ready for the

hydrogen summit and we are ready for the next very important panel that will

next very important panel that will focus on the global hydrogen market

focus on the global hydrogen market creation stimulating offtake through

creation stimulating offtake through robust demand generation strategies. I'm

robust demand generation strategies. I'm so delighted to call on Mr. Franch

so delighted to call on Mr. Franch emerging markets specialist and

emerging markets specialist and strategic advisor EU Africa business

strategic advisor EU Africa business forum. Shall we please give Mr. Van

forum. Shall we please give Mr. Van Sculp a massive round of applause to

Sculp a massive round of applause to introduce his panel?

Uh good morning ladies and gentlemen. Uh thank you very much for uh for having us

thank you very much for uh for having us this morning. Um it is indeed my

this morning. Um it is indeed my pleasure to uh be the moderator for this

pleasure to uh be the moderator for this panel this morning and uh I think uh

panel this morning and uh I think uh given the the small time constraint we

given the the small time constraint we have let me kick off. Uh please give a

have let me kick off. Uh please give a please give a hand of um or a round of

please give a hand of um or a round of applause rather for the panel and it is

applause rather for the panel and it is Dr. Jurgen Frederick from the German

Dr. Jurgen Frederick from the German Federal Ministry of Economic Affairs.

Federal Ministry of Economic Affairs. Uh Marco Rafiniti CEO of Hyphen Hydrogen

Uh Marco Rafiniti CEO of Hyphen Hydrogen Energy

Energy uh Charles Dantos uh the managing

uh Charles Dantos uh the managing director for a product

director for a product Mr. Patty Pameanathan CEO sorry

Mr. Patty Pameanathan CEO sorry co-founder and vice chair of zero

co-founder and vice chair of zero Sebast Sebastian Budachin senior vice

Sebast Sebastian Budachin senior vice president at SE or CIFA and Dr. Kenny

president at SE or CIFA and Dr. Kenny Tenza the director deputy director

Tenza the director deputy director general at the department of science

general at the department of science technology and innovation at the rep in

technology and innovation at the rep in the republic of South Africa. Thank you

the republic of South Africa. Thank you very much.

to kick off the panel. I should uh say that this is probably one of the more

that this is probably one of the more controversial uh topics of of the the

controversial uh topics of of the the summit. It is controversial in the sense

summit. It is controversial in the sense that uh it is a difficult question to

that uh it is a difficult question to answer or for some of us it's a

answer or for some of us it's a difficult question question to answer

difficult question question to answer but also at the same time we are uh in a

but also at the same time we are uh in a place where of course um the hydrogen

place where of course um the hydrogen market is key for us to to really

market is key for us to to really advance certain uh the projects uh

advance certain uh the projects uh currently under development.

currently under development. Maybe to kick off gentlemen, I would

Maybe to kick off gentlemen, I would allow you each uh two minutes to uh

allow you each uh two minutes to uh introduce yourself and uh maybe say

introduce yourself and uh maybe say something about uh what is what you're

something about uh what is what you're passionate about in particular in

passionate about in particular in regards to this to this industry and

regards to this to this industry and then uh we'll we'll do some questions

then uh we'll we'll do some questions after that. Thank you.

after that. Thank you. May I start the mic?

May I start the mic? Yeah.

Yeah. Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. My

Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. My name is

name is representing the federal ministry for

representing the federal ministry for economic affairs and

role envoy for international hydrogen project.

I try. Yeah, this is much better. Um my job as envoy for international hydrogen

job as envoy for international hydrogen projects is actually to get hydrogen

projects is actually to get hydrogen projects done. And uh here I'd like to

projects done. And uh here I'd like to quote um that the business of government

quote um that the business of government is manufacturing opportunities. So it's

is manufacturing opportunities. So it's our job to provide the right framework

our job to provide the right framework so that the private sector in itself and

so that the private sector in itself and it with its economic incentives can can

it with its economic incentives can can do the right thing. But we are well

do the right thing. But we are well aware and the the word robust is

aware and the the word robust is pointing in that direction right now. we

pointing in that direction right now. we have to deal with uh uncertainty

have to deal with uh uncertainty regarding offtake and bringing that uh

regarding offtake and bringing that uh as a factor um the demand uh to the

as a factor um the demand uh to the market. I just wanted to underline as we

market. I just wanted to underline as we still have a new government and we are

still have a new government and we are for example still finalizing our budget

for example still finalizing our budget for the current year and next year. Um

for the current year and next year. Um the the government is fully committed to

the the government is fully committed to the climate goals net zero um as as a as

the climate goals net zero um as as a as a global factor but uh in more concrete

a global factor but uh in more concrete terms is fully committed to uh

terms is fully committed to uh establishing Germany as a hydrogen and

establishing Germany as a hydrogen and derivative importing country. um there

derivative importing country. um there isn't and there will not be sufficient

isn't and there will not be sufficient capacity in Germany to provide the

capacity in Germany to provide the necessary amounts of hydrogen

necessary amounts of hydrogen derivatives to decarbonize our industry

derivatives to decarbonize our industry sectors. So our keen interest is to

sectors. So our keen interest is to diversify

diversify hydrogen and derivative supplies and

hydrogen and derivative supplies and that's why we are here. That's why we

that's why we are here. That's why we appreciate partnerships uh we have with

appreciate partnerships uh we have with South Africa and especially now here

South Africa and especially now here with Namibia uh not fully focusing on on

with Namibia uh not fully focusing on on hydrogen um but this is right now the

hydrogen um but this is right now the most interesting part of of what we have

most interesting part of of what we have in mind as a win-win situation.

Afternoon everyone. Uh my name is Marco Rafiti. I'm the CEO of a company called

Rafiti. I'm the CEO of a company called Hyphen Hydrogen Energy. We have been

Hyphen Hydrogen Energy. We have been working on our project for about four

working on our project for about four years. Um we're slightly different to

years. Um we're slightly different to some of the other project developers in

some of the other project developers in in Namibia that we the beneficiary of a

in Namibia that we the beneficiary of a tender process that government ran on

tender process that government ran on for for the allocation of stateowned

for for the allocation of stateowned land to develop the first large scale

land to develop the first large scale green hydrogen project. We've been

green hydrogen project. We've been working for around four years on early

working for around four years on early environmental de-risking, engineering um

environmental de-risking, engineering um engineering de-risisking, optimization

engineering de-risisking, optimization of of the project, completing our wind

of of the project, completing our wind measurement and resource measurement

measurement and resource measurement campaign. Um and we now moved into the

campaign. Um and we now moved into the feed uh engineering design phase of of

feed uh engineering design phase of of the project. Um there's a lot of focus

the project. Um there's a lot of focus on us. It's a very large project.

on us. It's a very large project. government has a large aspirations for

government has a large aspirations for the socioeconomic development changes

the socioeconomic development changes that a project of this nature can bring

that a project of this nature can bring but ultimately we working to enable the

but ultimately we working to enable the broader industry. Our project is located

broader industry. Our project is located in the first uh the first of three

in the first uh the first of three hydrogen valleys that Namibia is looking

hydrogen valleys that Namibia is looking at at uh developing and it is the

at at uh developing and it is the highest quality resource in terms of

highest quality resource in terms of wind and solar and our project can our

wind and solar and our project can our first phase project can unlock 20 times

first phase project can unlock 20 times the scale of our first project. So we

the scale of our first project. So we are looking at working together with

are looking at working together with government on a master plan to enable

government on a master plan to enable that that vision effectively creating a

that that vision effectively creating a blueprint and a framework that is

blueprint and a framework that is replicatable into the future because

replicatable into the future because ultimately we need large numbers of

ultimately we need large numbers of these projects and we need the price of

these projects and we need the price of green energy to come down and that green

green energy to come down and that green energy comes down through experience and

energy comes down through experience and through execution like we've seen with

through execution like we've seen with solar batteries and the wind industries

solar batteries and the wind industries and now the renewable uh the EV car

and now the renewable uh the EV car industry. Thank you,

industry. Thank you, Charles.

Charles. Good afternoon everyone. Um, my name is

Good afternoon everyone. Um, my name is Charles Dos Santos. I'm the managing

Charles Dos Santos. I'm the managing director of Air Products South Africa.

director of Air Products South Africa. Air Products globally is one of the

Air Products globally is one of the biggest producers and providers of

biggest producers and providers of hydrogen in the existing gray hydrogen

hydrogen in the existing gray hydrogen market. Um, as it stands at the moment,

market. Um, as it stands at the moment, we've got thousands of kilometers of

we've got thousands of kilometers of hydrogen distribution pipelines across

hydrogen distribution pipelines across various areas in the world and we've got

various areas in the world and we've got many fleets of vehicles distributing

many fleets of vehicles distributing that hydrogen. Um and then in terms of

that hydrogen. Um and then in terms of green hydrogen air products was the

green hydrogen air products was the first company to commit to the neon

first company to commit to the neon project which you may have already heard

project which you may have already heard about in Saudi Arabia which is to date

about in Saudi Arabia which is to date been the first project and for a long

been the first project and for a long time of that scale that has been

time of that scale that has been committed globally. So our pres presence

committed globally. So our pres presence locally in South Africa, we also very

locally in South Africa, we also very involved in the hydrogen business. Um

involved in the hydrogen business. Um and we've got the experience 30 plus

and we've got the experience 30 plus years um myself personally in the

years um myself personally in the hydrogen space. Thank you.

hydrogen space. Thank you. Thank you Patty.

Thank you Patty. Thank you. Good afternoon. Pleasure and

Thank you. Good afternoon. Pleasure and privilege to be here with you. Um so I'm

privilege to be here with you. Um so I'm a co-founder and vice pres vice chairman

a co-founder and vice pres vice chairman of a company by the name of Zerobv that

of a company by the name of Zerobv that is involved in developing projects of

is involved in developing projects of scale uh using renewable energy

scale uh using renewable energy platforms in several countries including

platforms in several countries including one in Namibia. We came into Namibia two

one in Namibia. We came into Namibia two and a half years ago to look at the

and a half years ago to look at the opportunity that Namibia presents itself

opportunity that Namibia presents itself simply because the country has abundant

simply because the country has abundant renewable energy resource and lots of

renewable energy resource and lots of land space um positioned absolutely in

land space um positioned absolutely in the right place on the continent of

the right place on the continent of Africa with a deep sea port and a very

Africa with a deep sea port and a very stable

stable um creditworthy uh investable country as

um creditworthy uh investable country as a country platform.

a country platform. My I came into zero from a background of

My I came into zero from a background of over 20 years as a developer of power

over 20 years as a developer of power generation and desalinated water

generation and desalinated water production. So I came into the molecules

production. So I came into the molecules business on the back of uh power

business on the back of uh power generation.

generation. Everybody talks about green hydrogen and

Everybody talks about green hydrogen and derivatives.

derivatives. Underneath it all, we shouldn't forget

Underneath it all, we shouldn't forget that 60% of the cost of producing

that 60% of the cost of producing green hydrogen, it's very energy

green hydrogen, it's very energy intensive is electricity.

intensive is electricity. So, so that has got to be the

So, so that has got to be the foundation. And when I saw through my

foundation. And when I saw through my previous work in my previous life le

previous work in my previous life le developing many renewable energy

developing many renewable energy projects the cost of renewable energy

projects the cost of renewable energy really coming down very fast.

really coming down very fast. That was a light bulb moment for me in

That was a light bulb moment for me in 2019 that electrolysis is potentially a

2019 that electrolysis is potentially a solution to decarbonizing a significant

solution to decarbonizing a significant segment of the so-called hard to abate

segment of the so-called hard to abate uh sectors.

uh sectors. So I had the privilege I already had a

So I had the privilege I already had a relationship in my previous company as a

relationship in my previous company as a power with air products on something

power with air products on something else. So I had the privilege of

else. So I had the privilege of understanding the cost of electricity to

understanding the cost of electricity to recognize the opportunity and sitting

recognize the opportunity and sitting with air products and originating and

with air products and originating and taking that first project$ 8.2 billion

taking that first project$ 8.2 billion US investment to financial close and

US investment to financial close and into construction. and I was on the

into construction. and I was on the board of that company for one and a half

board of that company for one and a half years before I stepped down to start

years before I stepped down to start doing other ventures. So I have a very

doing other ventures. So I have a very good understanding of the ingredients

good understanding of the ingredients that are required in order to produce

that are required in order to produce green hydrogen and shocking as it may be

green hydrogen and shocking as it may be to produce green hydrogen reasonably

to produce green hydrogen reasonably competitively

competitively not at we went through a very difficult

not at we went through a very difficult period where postcoid everything went up

period where postcoid everything went up but now we are at a period everything is

but now we are at a period everything is now coming back and getting normalized.

now coming back and getting normalized. Interest rates remain high. These are

Interest rates remain high. These are capital intensive projects. So the costs

capital intensive projects. So the costs will remain high for a while but the but

will remain high for a while but the but the energy costs are coming down

the energy costs are coming down component costs are coming down. So we

component costs are coming down. So we are now moving into an era as it was

are now moving into an era as it was back in 2019 when we started that first

back in 2019 when we started that first huge project because we found the

huge project because we found the premium to be modest not massive into

premium to be modest not massive into that era. So that is a big step change

that era. So that is a big step change that is what encouraged me to accelerate

that is what encouraged me to accelerate looking at a deployment of scale in of

looking at a deployment of scale in of of a similar scale in Namibia. So we are

of a similar scale in Namibia. So we are developing a project that's half the

developing a project that's half the scale of the Neon project 500 million

scale of the Neon project 500 million tons peranom 500,000 tons peranom of uh

tons peranom 500,000 tons peranom of uh green ammonia near the port at the port

green ammonia near the port at the port of Walves Vispay actually we are very

of Walves Vispay actually we are very advanced in the development and we are

advanced in the development and we are very confident of taking that to

very confident of taking that to financial close and into construction

financial close and into construction before the end of next year.

before the end of next year. Thank you Petty Sebastian.

Thank you Petty Sebastian. Yeah, Sebastian Murashin um from SAFE um

Yeah, Sebastian Murashin um from SAFE um I'm there in charge of building up the

I'm there in charge of building up the hydrogen and clean energy portfolio. Um

hydrogen and clean energy portfolio. Um Safe is a midstream energy company uh in

Safe is a midstream energy company uh in Europe. Um so we look at a customer base

Europe. Um so we look at a customer base of 50,000 industry customers across

of 50,000 industry customers across across Europe. Um currently based all on

across Europe. Um currently based all on natural gas and LG um so of course

natural gas and LG um so of course they're looking at us um helping them

they're looking at us um helping them supporting them on their decarbonization

supporting them on their decarbonization um journey. Um so our focus um here is

um journey. Um so our focus um here is really to see um where do we get clean

really to see um where do we get clean molecules um lowcarbon um solutions um

molecules um lowcarbon um solutions um to decarbonize um the the European

to decarbonize um the the European industry um besides um the let's say the

industry um besides um the let's say the customer access um we own quite a

customer access um we own quite a significant part of the German um

significant part of the German um pipeline infrastructure as well as the

pipeline infrastructure as well as the storage infrastructure um and in

storage infrastructure um and in addition um we are um having an arm in

addition um we are um having an arm in um energy trading um so besides let's

um energy trading um so besides let's say the molecule trading um we are

say the molecule trading um we are already um established here um let's say

already um established here um let's say other clean uh solutions like clean

other clean uh solutions like clean electricity trading we're looking into

electricity trading we're looking into material trading um especially topics

material trading um especially topics like green iron which we also heard this

like green iron which we also heard this morning um so lots of angles um we are

morning um so lots of angles um we are we're looking in um in order to find the

we're looking in um in order to find the right way and especially on the long

right way and especially on the long journey um the right solutions for our

journey um the right solutions for our customers um to decarbonize

customers um to decarbonize thank you uh Katie

thank you uh Katie and good afternoon My name is Kenny

and good afternoon My name is Kenny Tenza. I'm a deputy director general

Tenza. I'm a deputy director general at uh Department of Science, Technology

at uh Department of Science, Technology and Innovation looking after technology

and Innovation looking after technology innovation in South Africa and South

innovation in South Africa and South Africa like many other countries has put

Africa like many other countries has put a target of net zero uh by 2050.

a target of net zero uh by 2050. As a national uh uh department, we have

As a national uh uh department, we have developed national policies such as

developed national policies such as hydrogen society road map,

hydrogen society road map, hydrogen commercialization strategy and

hydrogen commercialization strategy and other provincial

other provincial uh hydrogen strategies to enable a

uh hydrogen strategies to enable a create to create an enabling environment

create to create an enabling environment for hydrogen commercialization.

for hydrogen commercialization. And I think it is important uh to note

And I think it is important uh to note that the road map is really about

that the road map is really about creating an ecosystem for hydrogen

creating an ecosystem for hydrogen emphasizing the importance of

emphasizing the importance of infrastructure

infrastructure production distribution and R&D to

production distribution and R&D to support decarbonization efforts and

support decarbonization efforts and various sectors like transport and uh

various sectors like transport and uh industry.

industry. So in pursuit of hydrogen society,

So in pursuit of hydrogen society, South Africa leverages its

South Africa leverages its abundant uh natural renew uh renewable

abundant uh natural renew uh renewable resources such as solar, wind and also

resources such as solar, wind and also with a combination of uh mineral

with a combination of uh mineral endorment and capabilities

endorment and capabilities to stimulate local um hydrogen economy

to stimulate local um hydrogen economy and a viable hydrogen and ammonia

and a viable hydrogen and ammonia um export uh market. South Africa's

um export uh market. South Africa's strategy is very clear. We seek to

strategy is very clear. We seek to beneficiate our uh platinum group metals

beneficiate our uh platinum group metals which find application in catalysis for

which find application in catalysis for instance and membrane electrode assembly

instance and membrane electrode assembly etc.

etc. And thus the hydrogen uh strategy

And thus the hydrogen uh strategy delivers both

delivers both mineral beneficiation aspirations of our

mineral beneficiation aspirations of our country and decarbonization through an

country and decarbonization through an inclusive and just energy trans uh uh

inclusive and just energy trans uh uh transision.

transision. Uh finally we have hydrogen uh South

Uh finally we have hydrogen uh South Africa which involves a lot of private

Africa which involves a lot of private sector and uh institutions uh public

sector and uh institutions uh public institutions and universities

institutions and universities which has developed centers of uh

which has developed centers of uh excellence.

excellence. These would be in catalyst for instance

These would be in catalyst for instance uh development infrastructure

uh development infrastructure and also heisa integrated systems for

and also heisa integrated systems for fuel cells and prototypes.

fuel cells and prototypes. So has made huge progress and I think in

So has made huge progress and I think in the meeting that I attended earlier on

the meeting that I attended earlier on there was also a discussion about local

there was also a discussion about local skills. So, so as a country we have

skills. So, so as a country we have invested a lot in the development of uh

invested a lot in the development of uh local skills to be able to uh deliver on

local skills to be able to uh deliver on our aspirations for uh hydrogen

our aspirations for uh hydrogen commercialization. Thank you.

commercialization. Thank you. Thank you very much uh gentlemen for uh

Thank you very much uh gentlemen for uh that short introduction. Um maybe if we

that short introduction. Um maybe if we can kick off uh with you uh Dr.

can kick off uh with you uh Dr. Frederick. Um we know that Germany is

Frederick. Um we know that Germany is well uh Namibian partners certainly but

well uh Namibian partners certainly but also partnering with um with other

also partnering with um with other countries globally. um how's Germany

countries globally. um how's Germany leveraging these international

leveraging these international partnerships to ensure stable demand

partnerships to ensure stable demand creation for green hydrogen

creation for green hydrogen um and in particular from you know

um and in particular from you know emerging suppliers like Namibia and

emerging suppliers like Namibia and other countries like Namibia

these partnerships I think I have to yeah um thanks for this question as this

yeah um thanks for this question as this is um

is um a core element of actually our

a core element of actually our diversification in strategy and we we

diversification in strategy and we we truly uh have in mind to create a we

truly uh have in mind to create a we have a joint value proposition for our

have a joint value proposition for our partners and for Germany. Yes, we need

partners and for Germany. Yes, we need uh green molecules. However, we we are

uh green molecules. However, we we are well aware that green industrialization

well aware that green industrialization offers tremendous potential to um our

offers tremendous potential to um our partners um especially if you look at uh

partners um especially if you look at uh the successful implementation for

the successful implementation for example of high iron here in in Namibia.

example of high iron here in in Namibia. I think it's a fine example of how our

I think it's a fine example of how our partnership and some funding uh created

partnership and some funding uh created um a market ready uh business model and

um a market ready uh business model and um this I' I'd like to see grow and and

um this I' I'd like to see grow and and here governments can play a role

here governments can play a role providing um reliable framework for for

providing um reliable framework for for offtake. um we already discussed the the

offtake. um we already discussed the the mispriced risk uh situation so that

mispriced risk uh situation so that financing Africa shouldn't especially

financing Africa shouldn't especially for these project shouldn't be more

for these project shouldn't be more costly than than other uh markets and

costly than than other uh markets and and projects. Um so these partnerships

and projects. Um so these partnerships are are a core element and uh I'm I'm

are are a core element and uh I'm I'm really looking forward to

really looking forward to with the input of of the conference to

with the input of of the conference to work on uh additional steps um for

work on uh additional steps um for including um risk mitigation uh joint

including um risk mitigation uh joint industrialization strategies and maybe a

industrialization strategies and maybe a more robust um mechanism for for

more robust um mechanism for for offtake. here. I just wanted to include

offtake. here. I just wanted to include not for the for being polite, our

not for the for being polite, our European partners. I think um Germany,

European partners. I think um Germany, our Dutch colleagues,

our Dutch colleagues, companies from Belgian um and the

companies from Belgian um and the European Union, we all are here um

European Union, we all are here um called to to work together on on uh

called to to work together on on uh these elements under the guideline of

these elements under the guideline of our discussion. Yeah.

our discussion. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Um Marco I think uh

Okay. Thank you. Um Marco I think uh we've spoken about and and of course uh

we've spoken about and and of course uh finance is quite key um to to projects

finance is quite key um to to projects like this um and in particular to be in

like this um and in particular to be in a place where and I think we spoke about

a place where and I think we spoke about it in the in the hallway just before we

it in the in the hallway just before we came on that uh governments and

came on that uh governments and offtakers both want certain promises and

offtakers both want certain promises and certain asurances. So when we look at at

certain asurances. So when we look at at it from a from a project uh developers

it from a from a project uh developers perspective, what demand side guarantees

perspective, what demand side guarantees or policy mechanisms are most critical

or policy mechanisms are most critical uh to secure bankable offtake agreements

uh to secure bankable offtake agreements um for large scale projects and how how

um for large scale projects and how how do you kind of also protect those kind

do you kind of also protect those kind of uh investments? Um and I think the uh

of uh investments? Um and I think the uh the obvious example is for example the

the obvious example is for example the uh the US cancellation of of projects.

uh the US cancellation of of projects. So what is that dynamic that we need to

So what is that dynamic that we need to look at?

look at? That's a very um I'm going to try to

That's a very um I'm going to try to keep it brief because that's a that's a

keep it brief because that's a that's a deep deep deep question. I think

deep deep deep question. I think ultimately what is looking to be

ultimately what is looking to be established between producer and

established between producer and consumer nations is a long-term energy

consumer nations is a long-term energy trade relationship. That's at the core

trade relationship. That's at the core fundamental um

fundamental um thesis that's trying to be built out.

thesis that's trying to be built out. And you can only establish those

And you can only establish those long-term trade relationships if you can

long-term trade relationships if you can ensure that they will be sustainable,

ensure that they will be sustainable, they're going to be low cost, and

they're going to be low cost, and they're going to be low risk. If they

they're going to be low risk. If they are low risk, you can you can raise low

are low risk, you can you can raise low cost of capital. Ultimately, this is a

cost of capital. Ultimately, this is a very very capital intensive industry. We

very very capital intensive industry. We deploy equipment. We don't have uh we

deploy equipment. We don't have uh we don't have raw material inputs. Our raw

don't have raw material inputs. Our raw material inputs are are given to us by

material inputs are are given to us by nature, but we need to harness those

nature, but we need to harness those that raw raw material. If you if you

that raw raw material. If you if you then turn to the consumer side, the the

then turn to the consumer side, the the consumer market, particularly in the

consumer market, particularly in the product that we producing, green

product that we producing, green ammonia, um the consumers are used to

ammonia, um the consumers are used to buying on a 3 to 5 year contractual

buying on a 3 to 5 year contractual term. So they're not used to entering

term. So they're not used to entering into long-term

15 20 year commercial relationships, which is how the wind and solar industry

which is how the wind and solar industry has been built out. It's been built out

has been built out. It's been built out of 15 to 20 year commitments. So we got

of 15 to 20 year commitments. So we got this this gap that we need to bridge and

this this gap that we need to bridge and certainly there's three large regions in

certainly there's three large regions in the world that are looking to introduce

the world that are looking to introduce policy to bridge that gap. It's Europe

policy to bridge that gap. It's Europe and the Europe is a little bit behind in

and the Europe is a little bit behind in its in in its policy implementation. So

its in in its policy implementation. So it isn't giving the demand signals to

it isn't giving the demand signals to the market that is necessary to create

the market that is necessary to create the market. And then you've got Korea

the market. And then you've got Korea and Japan that are going in a slightly

and Japan that are going in a slightly different in a different direction. But

different in a different direction. But effectively for projects of scale to be

effectively for projects of scale to be cost competitive, you need long-term

cost competitive, you need long-term certainty because lenders need long-term

certainty because lenders need long-term certainty. Customers need long-term

certainty. Customers need long-term certainty. Producers need long-term

certainty. Producers need long-term certainty. That's how you bring down the

certainty. That's how you bring down the cost of capital.

cost of capital. That's easy to say. It's very very hard

That's easy to say. It's very very hard to do. And we think that there needs to

to do. And we think that there needs to be a strategic strategic alignment on

be a strategic strategic alignment on how that is achieved. Um Europe is

how that is achieved. Um Europe is looking to decarbonize but also looking

looking to decarbonize but also looking to support its industrial base. So there

to support its industrial base. So there needs to be we think deliberate action

needs to be we think deliberate action around specific industries that are very

around specific industries that are very very important to Europe as they look to

very important to Europe as they look to mobilize policies to unlock the

mobilize policies to unlock the importation of energy. It's not just

importation of energy. It's not just about energy. It's about a bilateral

about energy. It's about a bilateral trade relationship. But it needs to be

trade relationship. But it needs to be cost effective and that balance needs to

cost effective and that balance needs to be struck and is quite quite challenging

be struck and is quite quite challenging to do so.

to do so. Thank you. Um Charles, I'm I'm just

Thank you. Um Charles, I'm I'm just going to hop over you. I'll come back in

going to hop over you. I'll come back in a second, but I want to ask Patty uh

a second, but I want to ask Patty uh the discussion around uh first movers.

the discussion around uh first movers. The discussion around scale in

The discussion around scale in particular and um how we can use uh even

particular and um how we can use uh even small scale to really uh um advance the

small scale to really uh um advance the market or the growth of the market and

market or the growth of the market and the growth of demand quite quickly. Um

the growth of demand quite quickly. Um please share your thoughts on that

please share your thoughts on that first.

first. No, thank you. So look, let me take the

No, thank you. So look, let me take the question on the scale because there's a

question on the scale because there's a huge discussion by the way every

huge discussion by the way every discussion on green hydrogen amongst all

discussion on green hydrogen amongst all the industry players enlightened uh

the industry players enlightened uh focuses on typically three things um

focuses on typically three things um where is the demand

where is the demand electrolyer prices are too high and the

electrolyer prices are too high and the third one is cost of financing okay um

third one is cost of financing okay um but as I already pointed earlier on the

but as I already pointed earlier on the introduction 60% of the cost is of

introduction 60% of the cost is of making the thing is electricity so

making the thing is electricity so that's pretty critical so okay park that

that's pretty critical so okay park that aside Right. But on the demand, let's

aside Right. But on the demand, let's not forget and air products uh know this

not forget and air products uh know this extremely well because they are very

extremely well because they are very much in the market. There is a 100

much in the market. There is a 100 million tons plus of hydrogen that is

million tons plus of hydrogen that is used produced and used peranom in the

used produced and used peranom in the world.

world. That may not mean anything but let me

That may not mean anything but let me tell you the first plant of scale single

tell you the first plant of scale single plant that's in contraction the

plant that's in contraction the partnership between Akapara Nom and air

partnership between Akapara Nom and air products will produce quarter of a

products will produce quarter of a million tons.

million tons. So, we're going to need just to fill the

So, we're going to need just to fill the current consumption, we're going to need

current consumption, we're going to need 400 of those.

400 of those. That plant because it's a first and it

That plant because it's a first and it was done at the time at that particular

was done at the time at that particular era was 8 plus billion dollars of

era was 8 plus billion dollars of investment. Okay, let's not so forget

investment. Okay, let's not so forget about the demand. There is a huge

about the demand. There is a huge demand.

demand. It'll be there are many young people

It'll be there are many young people here but it'll still be their

here but it'll still be their grandchildren who will be dealing with

grandchildren who will be dealing with that 100 million.

that 100 million. So all we need to focus on is the first

So all we need to focus on is the first few million.

few million. And the good news is as we are finding

And the good news is as we are finding out we found it well we found air

out we found it well we found air products when we developed that project.

products when we developed that project. We are finding it now in the second

We are finding it now in the second project that I'm developing. There is a

project that I'm developing. There is a group of enlightened offtakers who are

group of enlightened offtakers who are thinking long term and who are willing

thinking long term and who are willing to pay a premium. Okay. Now, big drama

to pay a premium. Okay. Now, big drama around the what that premium should be.

around the what that premium should be. Yeah, for sure. If they can buy gray

Yeah, for sure. If they can buy gray hydrogen at $400, they're not going

hydrogen at $400, they're not going ammonia at $400 a ton. Of course,

ammonia at $400 a ton. Of course, they're never going to pay $1,000. And

they're never going to pay $1,000. And it doesn't need to be $1,000.

it doesn't need to be $1,000. But so, the issue is around how

But so, the issue is around how immediately. What I can assure you from

immediately. What I can assure you from the numbers that I know that premium

the numbers that I know that premium doesn't need to be a hell of a lot too

doesn't need to be a hell of a lot too big. Okay. So, and let's focus on those

big. Okay. So, and let's focus on those first few first couple of millions that

first few first couple of millions that that in itself means eight plants of the

that in itself means eight plants of the new size or 16 plants of the type I'm

new size or 16 plants of the type I'm thinking I'm looking at I'm developing

thinking I'm looking at I'm developing in at the port of Valves Bay. Then the

in at the port of Valves Bay. Then the most important point is about being

most important point is about being brave enough to recog being brave not

brave enough to recog being brave not just being brave be confident of your

just being brave be confident of your capability and capacity and understand

capability and capacity and understand what you can do and being then brave

what you can do and being then brave enough to go and execute it. Uh

enough to go and execute it. Uh most of this audience will recognize the

most of this audience will recognize the point I'm going to try and make.

point I'm going to try and make. Many of us may have had the privilege of

Many of us may have had the privilege of walking of actually watching the animal

walking of actually watching the animal migration.

If you haven't seen it in real life, probably all of us have seen uh TV

probably all of us have seen uh TV programs and we have seen you know David

programs and we have seen you know David Atterra or whoever. Um it is a very

Atterra or whoever. Um it is a very relevant story. So what actually happens

relevant story. So what actually happens in the animal migration? All the animals

in the animal migration? All the animals come to the river.

come to the river. Why do they come to the river? because

Why do they come to the river? because they know the side they're going to die.

they know the side they're going to die. There's no food. They can see there is

There's no food. They can see there is food on the other side. But yet for a

food on the other side. But yet for a very long time they all pile in there

very long time they all pile in there and wait

and wait just like what we are doing by the way

just like what we are doing by the way right now. Uh you know okay some of us

right now. Uh you know okay some of us in fact know very well maybe we won't

in fact know very well maybe we won't die but a few more generations later if

die but a few more generations later if we don't do anything planet will

we don't do anything planet will struggle to survive.

struggle to survive. But then none of exactly like the

But then none of exactly like the animals. We're all looking around left,

animals. We're all looking around left, right, and center. Who's going to be

right, and center. Who's going to be foolish enough to jump into this fast

foolish enough to jump into this fast flowing river with all these crocodiles?

flowing river with all these crocodiles? But then one does

But then one does two do.

two do. The point I want to invite you to think,

The point I want to invite you to think, have any of you seen that first one, the

have any of you seen that first one, the second one, the third one die?

second one, the third one die? No.

No. They go right across to the rich pastors

They go right across to the rich pastors and enjoy.

and enjoy. Now look, I don't know the psyche of the

Now look, I don't know the psyche of the crocodiles. I have no idea. I'm assuming

crocodiles. I have no idea. I'm assuming they're either too shocked. Who's the

they're either too shocked. Who's the idiot who jumped? I don't know. Or they

idiot who jumped? I don't know. Or they are thinking, "Let me relax. They're all

are thinking, "Let me relax. They're all coming." I have no idea. It doesn't

coming." I have no idea. It doesn't really matter. The point I'm trying to

really matter. The point I'm trying to make, the relevance of that to this is

make, the relevance of that to this is very simply this. there is that initial

very simply this. there is that initial opportunity that we can grab. So I

opportunity that we can grab. So I invite all of you to think about why is

invite all of you to think about why is it that we are not brave enough to jump

it that we are not brave enough to jump and get to that and enjoy that. What I

and get to that and enjoy that. What I can assure you is it is there. I think

can assure you is it is there. I think many of us can possibly even recognize

many of us can possibly even recognize it and see it but then we just sort of

it and see it but then we just sort of struggling to

struggling to take that risk thinking oh man we may

take that risk thinking oh man we may not be able to swim we may not be able

not be able to swim we may not be able to run. I don't know what it is. Thanks

to run. I don't know what it is. Thanks P.

P. Yes.

Yes. Um Charles if I so to kind of uh connect

Um Charles if I so to kind of uh connect onto that um you know air products is a

onto that um you know air products is a technology leading global firm in in

technology leading global firm in in many respects. How do we use uh that

many respects. How do we use uh that advantage for example air products have

advantage for example air products have but also other companies I'm sure your

but also other companies I'm sure your competitors have to really stimulate

competitors have to really stimulate domestic and regional markets because I

domestic and regional markets because I think what we see is is that um and we

think what we see is is that um and we talk about even the cost of equipment

talk about even the cost of equipment but also um other technology that that

but also um other technology that that relates to the industry. Is that um is

relates to the industry. Is that um is that cost holding us back or is the time

that cost holding us back or is the time now where we can use that technology to

now where we can use that technology to help demand stimulation but also at the

help demand stimulation but also at the same time uh p close your ears uh f

same time uh p close your ears uh f while we wait for the mass migration to

while we wait for the mass migration to happen and that's the key element that I

happen and that's the key element that I think we've got to focus on as a region

think we've got to focus on as a region is what can we do to create local demand

is what can we do to create local demand and work on what we already have

and work on what we already have strengths on. Build on that. You It's a

strengths on. Build on that. You It's a whole ecosystem. You don't have to build

whole ecosystem. You don't have to build the whole ecosystem in one day. You can

the whole ecosystem in one day. You can build components of that ecosystem and

build components of that ecosystem and fill the gaps when the time is right.

fill the gaps when the time is right. When the economics are in your favor,

When the economics are in your favor, when the demand exists. So starting

when the demand exists. So starting point, let's look at the very beginning

point, let's look at the very beginning of that value chain. the renewable

of that value chain. the renewable energies. Namibia is one of the best

energies. Namibia is one of the best locations in the world to generate

locations in the world to generate renewable energy. No debate about that.

renewable energy. No debate about that. There are some challenges. Namibia is

There are some challenges. Namibia is not close to the market. Some of the

not close to the market. Some of the markets that well some of the areas of

markets that well some of the areas of the world which can supply to those

the world which can supply to those markets

markets are closer than Namibia is and that has

are closer than Namibia is and that has got to be factored in. So only once the

got to be factored in. So only once the demand picks up and the migration starts

demand picks up and the migration starts to use Patty's words

to use Patty's words will they will look further a field to

will they will look further a field to regions like southern Africa to fulfill

regions like southern Africa to fulfill that growing demand. It's going to be

that growing demand. It's going to be driven by economics. You cannot rely on

driven by economics. You cannot rely on subsidies and grants forever. it's going

subsidies and grants forever. it's going to at some point be driven by the

to at some point be driven by the economics of what people are willing to

economics of what people are willing to pay on the demand side.

pay on the demand side. Um so just to come back in that value

Um so just to come back in that value chain let's focus on the renewables

chain let's focus on the renewables we have a dire need in this region for

we have a dire need in this region for grid infrastructure

grid infrastructure and if we can develop that renewables

and if we can develop that renewables and that grid infrastructure because

and that grid infrastructure because there are neighboring countries of

there are neighboring countries of Namibia that have that are struggling

Namibia that have that are struggling and will continue to struggle with power

and will continue to struggle with power supply

roll out mass production of renewables roll out mass

roll out mass rollouts of re grid infrastructure and

rollouts of re grid infrastructure and on that and as to Patty's words it's the

on that and as to Patty's words it's the it's the biggest component of the cost

it's the biggest component of the cost of producing green hydrogen once you've

of producing green hydrogen once you've got that that competitive advantage this

got that that competitive advantage this region has once the demand steps up then

region has once the demand steps up then you build down the downstream. And when

you build down the downstream. And when you build that downstream, you also take

you build that downstream, you also take advantage of local demand. Let's say

advantage of local demand. Let's say desalination, that's another element.

desalination, that's another element. Desalination will help local communities

Desalination will help local communities get water supply. It will help

get water supply. It will help development of agricultural products.

development of agricultural products. Maybe focusing on high value

Maybe focusing on high value agricultural products that can be

agricultural products that can be exported. So that's the next component

exported. So that's the next component of the value chain. And as you build

of the value chain. And as you build that do you go to the derivatives of

that do you go to the derivatives of hydrogen or do you go to hydrogen? Well

hydrogen or do you go to hydrogen? Well if you can create the local demand for

if you can create the local demand for hydrogen

hydrogen taking the next step to derivative when

taking the next step to derivative when the time comes is another step. So how

the time comes is another step. So how do we create local demand for hydrogen a

do we create local demand for hydrogen a big area is either in mobility where we

big area is either in mobility where we demonstrating outside what's possible.

demonstrating outside what's possible. It's it's already possible because they

It's it's already possible because they are heavyduty vehicles transiting the

are heavyduty vehicles transiting the South the the African region that could

South the the African region that could be converted to hydrogen. They don't

be converted to hydrogen. They don't have to be fuel cell trucks because fuel

have to be fuel cell trucks because fuel cells are not mass-produced yet. They're

cells are not mass-produced yet. They're expensive. The the local economies

expensive. The the local economies cannot cannot. So you can start with

cannot cannot. So you can start with diesel hybrids and and though then you

diesel hybrids and and though then you can start converting much cheaper and

can start converting much cheaper and creating the infrastructure required to

creating the infrastructure required to create that mass local demand. And then

create that mass local demand. And then you build those steps as you as you go

you build those steps as you as you go through that uh value chain. And in

through that uh value chain. And in terms of the other products that you can

terms of the other products that you can generate like as we heard earlier today

generate like as we heard earlier today green iron take advantage of the fact

green iron take advantage of the fact that we've got local iron ore sources

that we've got local iron ore sources and we've got the magnificent lowcost

and we've got the magnificent lowcost hydrogen we can create green iron here

hydrogen we can create green iron here very cost- effectively build those

very cost- effectively build those projects locally and when the demand

projects locally and when the demand happens from Europe Asia we will slot in

happens from Europe Asia we will slot in so easily.

so easily. But don't rely on those projects because

But don't rely on those projects because you're not g most people will not

you're not g most people will not survive that that migration.

survive that that migration. Okay. Thank you,

how do you see the uh balance between governmentbacked demand stimulation, for

governmentbacked demand stimulation, for example, quotas and uh subsidies versus

example, quotas and uh subsidies versus uh private sector driven market creation

uh private sector driven market creation and hydrogen and green hydrogen?

and hydrogen and green hydrogen? Well, big question and not an easy

Well, big question and not an easy answer. Um I mean there's always this

answer. Um I mean there's always this balance between how much do you need

balance between how much do you need let's say the government to step in and

let's say the government to step in and how much do you need the the private uh

how much do you need the the private uh industry to step forward. Um but uh if

industry to step forward. Um but uh if we for example look into into Europe

we for example look into into Europe today and into let's look steel as one

today and into let's look steel as one example on their decarbonization needs

example on their decarbonization needs um I mean they go today from coal if

um I mean they go today from coal if they go to natural gas they already kick

they go to natural gas they already kick off 50% um of this CO2 output so that's

off 50% um of this CO2 output so that's already massive um now we require them

already massive um now we require them to go to directly RFNB from green

to go to directly RFNB from green hydrogen which I would always say it's

hydrogen which I would always say it's greener than green hydrogen because it's

greener than green hydrogen because it's extremely difficult to get that

extremely difficult to get that currently um to get that at cost into

currently um to get that at cost into Europe. So um if you were to address

Europe. So um if you were to address there and say how do we get rid of the

there and say how do we get rid of the um let's say color discussion and I mean

um let's say color discussion and I mean that has been ongoing for for for a long

that has been ongoing for for for a long long time but simply looking at the CO2

long time but simply looking at the CO2 intensity um of whatever molecule um and

intensity um of whatever molecule um and that will massively help um of course um

that will massively help um of course um on that on that journey to go from today

on that on that journey to go from today to reduce um the CO2 and not go from

to reduce um the CO2 and not go from today to already green in one step. um

today to already green in one step. um simply this is from a let's say supply

simply this is from a let's say supply side from an investment side and then

side from an investment side and then also from the demand side um fairly

also from the demand side um fairly impossible um and then if you look at

impossible um and then if you look at the current industry situation in in

the current industry situation in in Europe or especially in Germany I mean

Europe or especially in Germany I mean there's multiple challenges um so

there's multiple challenges um so affordability really becomes the number

affordability really becomes the number one um key um which which companies are

one um key um which which companies are looking at um and then of course on the

looking at um and then of course on the government side I mean uh there's other

government side I mean uh there's other um topics now popping up um I mean we

um topics now popping up um I mean we had security for free over the last

had security for free over the last decades covered by the US. We had

decades covered by the US. We had extreme cheap gas from from Russia. Uh

extreme cheap gas from from Russia. Uh we had massive exports into into China.

we had massive exports into into China. So all of this is is changing. Um so

So all of this is is changing. Um so there's a huge pressure on the uh on the

there's a huge pressure on the uh on the on the industry and balancing this out

on the industry and balancing this out um and saying okay um industry itself

um and saying okay um industry itself has to now go forward and pay um

has to now go forward and pay um everything um to become fully green um

everything um to become fully green um at the same time looking at the

at the same time looking at the government which simply cannot pay for

government which simply cannot pay for all this um anymore. And I think this is

all this um anymore. And I think this is really um let's say the the difficulty

really um let's say the the difficulty in terms of um how do we address this? I

in terms of um how do we address this? I think we need to look into besides uh

think we need to look into besides uh looking more in a in a low carbon

looking more in a in a low carbon intensity discussion rather than in

intensity discussion rather than in colors. Um we also need to look okay how

colors. Um we also need to look okay how we shift uh certain value chains. Uh we

we shift uh certain value chains. Uh we talked about green HPI. I mean this can

talked about green HPI. I mean this can be very very attractive economically.

be very very attractive economically. It's very attractive. Um, of course that

It's very attractive. Um, of course that has an impact in shifting certain value

has an impact in shifting certain value of creation um, in the German steel

of creation um, in the German steel industry. Um, how much will that uh,

industry. Um, how much will that uh, let's say outbalance with the

let's say outbalance with the alternative with it bringing green

alternative with it bringing green hydrogen into Europe which today can

hydrogen into Europe which today can probably only be done with the green

probably only be done with the green ammonia. Then you still look at all the

ammonia. Then you still look at all the cracking cost um, which again makes the

cracking cost um, which again makes the whole uh, product very very expensive.

whole uh, product very very expensive. Um, so we need to find um, other ways of

Um, so we need to find um, other ways of doing this. And then in terms of market

doing this. And then in terms of market stimulation, um currently we look at

stimulation, um currently we look at prices um that are again very high um

prices um that are again very high um for customers to go into long-term

for customers to go into long-term agreements. Um they're simply not

agreements. Um they're simply not capable of doing this um to stay let's

capable of doing this um to stay let's say in profitable business. Um but if

say in profitable business. Um but if you look back in in when gas was in

you look back in in when gas was in introduced um besides oil u we we we did

introduced um besides oil u we we we did price indexing um do we find similar

price indexing um do we find similar mechanisms um that we can imply now um

mechanisms um that we can imply now um to to give a certain um let's say price

to to give a certain um let's say price security uh on the offtake um um in in

security uh on the offtake um um in in regards of green hydrogen or let's say

regards of green hydrogen or let's say cleaner um hydrogen solutions.

cleaner um hydrogen solutions. Excellent. Thank you.

Uh Kenny, uh with your government hat on, uh how can regional collaboration in

on, uh how can regional collaboration in Southern Africa in particular help

Southern Africa in particular help create a unified demand strategy that

create a unified demand strategy that attracts international buyers and also

attracts international buyers and also strengthen local markets? I guess along

strengthen local markets? I guess along the lines of what uh what Charles

the lines of what uh what Charles mentioned,

mentioned, uh thank you uh very much. I think the

uh thank you uh very much. I think the important thing uh to consider

important thing uh to consider especially as a government and and to

especially as a government and and to know also about South South Africa is

know also about South South Africa is that there must be a transition from our

that there must be a transition from our point of view uh from

point of view uh from uh ready solutions to commercialization

uh ready solutions to commercialization and these are obviously supported by a

and these are obviously supported by a robust

robust um policy and incentive framework and

um policy and incentive framework and that that is basically an enabler as far

that that is basically an enabler as far as we are concerned. And to that end,

as we are concerned. And to that end, um, our government has got some, uh,

um, our government has got some, uh, incentives that have been put in place

incentives that have been put in place to stimulate, uh, investment into the

to stimulate, uh, investment into the South African hydrogen economy and

South African hydrogen economy and economy in general. And these includes,

economy in general. And these includes, for instance, we've got a an, uh,

for instance, we've got a an, uh, innovation fund that support uh, SMMES

innovation fund that support uh, SMMES through one of our agencies called the

through one of our agencies called the technology innovation agency. And this

technology innovation agency. And this is basically used for d-risking uh

is basically used for d-risking uh technology with a fast loss uh risk

technology with a fast loss uh risk mechanism.

mechanism. And we also have got um obviously your

And we also have got um obviously your customs and uh um access uh act which

customs and uh um access uh act which then it's uh poised to benefit um uh

then it's uh poised to benefit um uh give benefit to businesses from a

give benefit to businesses from a reduced or exemptions in terms of uh

reduced or exemptions in terms of uh duty and we also have got uh what we

duty and we also have got uh what we call R&D tax incentives for qualifying

call R&D tax incentives for qualifying uh R&D activities within in uh South

uh R&D activities within in uh South Africa and this can be up to

Africa and this can be up to 150%

150% uh for qualifying R&D and I think what

uh for qualifying R&D and I think what is important for business in our

is important for business in our perspective as well it's a a you know a

perspective as well it's a a you know a mechanism or structure that we have put

mechanism or structure that we have put through as government in a form of SEZ

through as government in a form of SEZ um tax where businesses that are located

um tax where businesses that are located within the SEZ uh may actually uh be

within the SEZ uh may actually uh be eligible for tax relief including

eligible for tax relief including corporate tax. Normally in South Africa,

corporate tax. Normally in South Africa, corporate tax is about 27%.

corporate tax is about 27%. Uh but for these companies located in

Uh but for these companies located in SCZs, we're looking at uh as little as

SCZs, we're looking at uh as little as 15%. Um so so I think it is important

15%. Um so so I think it is important from that perspective and we are driving

from that perspective and we are driving private and public uh sector

private and public uh sector collaborations and I I'm glad air

collaborations and I I'm glad air products is here uh because it's a key

products is here uh because it's a key uh industry within the South African uh

uh industry within the South African uh landscape

landscape and uh perhaps you know finally from a

and uh perhaps you know finally from a market perspective there is um you know

market perspective there is um you know growing um demand from private sector

growing um demand from private sector with you know um promise of oftake

um if they are you know commercially viable technologies that have been

viable technologies that have been developed over through many initiatives

developed over through many initiatives that uh the country has put forward.

that uh the country has put forward. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you so much. Um I want to check

Thank you so much. Um I want to check with the boss of the stage if uh we can

with the boss of the stage if uh we can have three more minutes.

have three more minutes. Okay. Thank you. Um thank you

Okay. Thank you. Um thank you gentlemen to to close off

gentlemen to to close off um I would like to ask you

um I would like to ask you if you could give me one

if you could give me one uh

uh one strategy that you think will be most

one strategy that you think will be most effective in creating uh demand to

effective in creating uh demand to generate demand whether it is uh

generate demand whether it is uh technology, finance, policy, offtake

technology, finance, policy, offtake Whatever you think is the most important

Whatever you think is the most important thing in your area.

Um really this is one word would be easier but uh in in

easier but uh in in the most the one that you think is most

the most the one that you think is most important. Now we have to we already

important. Now we have to we already discussed that we have to find a

discussed that we have to find a solution for bringing cost of finance

solution for bringing cost of finance down plus create u a mechanism providing

down plus create u a mechanism providing the necessary um and maybe only limited

the necessary um and maybe only limited de

de financial obligation a mechanism which

financial obligation a mechanism which is not as costly as expected but is able

is not as costly as expected but is able to provide incentives in the right time.

to provide incentives in the right time. The timing is of the essence. That's

The timing is of the essence. That's something for example we learned the

something for example we learned the hard way. H2 global had certain

hard way. H2 global had certain timelines but they

timelines but they to some extent didn't fit to the

to some extent didn't fit to the timeline. So this is something we have

timeline. So this is something we have to address and we will address.

So for me it's around um policy. So it's policy certainty. This is ultimately

policy certainty. This is ultimately going to be a geopolitical decision

going to be a geopolitical decision between producer

between producer countries and and consumption countries

countries and and consumption countries and it's about establishing the trade

and it's about establishing the trade relationship between them that you

relationship between them that you cannot start a journey of an energy

cannot start a journey of an energy transition on a on an industry of this

transition on a on an industry of this scale where the size of investment is of

scale where the size of investment is of the scale without having absolute

the scale without having absolute certainty over who your partners are and

certainty over who your partners are and from then the rest is the rest is

from then the rest is the rest is detail. you will go down the cost curve.

detail. you will go down the cost curve. Um I'm going to push back against

Um I'm going to push back against against yours in terms of in terms of um

against yours in terms of in terms of um the commodity cycle ultimately there's a

the commodity cycle ultimately there's a merit order of countries that can be

merit order of countries that can be like any other commodity. There's those

like any other commodity. There's those commodity producers at the lowest end of

commodity producers at the lowest end of the cost curve and those at the high

the cost curve and those at the high end. We in we're in a mo and we're in a

end. We in we're in a mo and we're in a process in this industry of the high-end

process in this industry of the high-end cost producers moving out of the system.

cost producers moving out of the system. That happens in every single commodity.

That happens in every single commodity. You need to be in the low in the low

You need to be in the low in the low cost and we are seeing importer

cost and we are seeing importer countries looking at partner with low

countries looking at partner with low lowrisk high resource quality countries

lowrisk high resource quality countries to be partners of scale so you can come

to be partners of scale so you can come down the cost curve over a period of

down the cost curve over a period of time so you can achieve achieve cost

time so you can achieve achieve cost parity. Thanks.

parity. Thanks. Thank you.

So one key element that I haven't put forward that is important to developing

forward that is important to developing a strategy

a strategy avoid transporting hydrogen molecules

avoid transporting hydrogen molecules because in addition to where the

because in addition to where the advantages that we have as a region

advantages that we have as a region in terms of cost effective renewables

in terms of cost effective renewables bringing that unit cost of hydrogen

bringing that unit cost of hydrogen down.

down. We lose multiple times over the moment

We lose multiple times over the moment you try and transport that hydrogen

you try and transport that hydrogen around the world. Whether you're doing

around the world. Whether you're doing it via derivatives or hydrogen itself,

it via derivatives or hydrogen itself, avoid transporting that hydrogen. You

avoid transporting that hydrogen. You need to use that hydrogen locally to

need to use that hydrogen locally to produce the products that add value that

produce the products that add value that are easier to transport globally. And

are easier to transport globally. And that's where the I know this is maybe

that's where the I know this is maybe controversial to what a lot of companies

controversial to what a lot of companies are trying to do. If you're not using

are trying to do. If you're not using ammonia as ammonia, which you can do for

ammonia as ammonia, which you can do for shipping purposes, for powering ships,

shipping purposes, for powering ships, but if you're using it as a transport

but if you're using it as a transport medium, it's costing you and wasting you

medium, it's costing you and wasting you and eating away at the advantage that

and eating away at the advantage that this region has brought to being the

this region has brought to being the most cost-effective region of the world

most cost-effective region of the world to produce green hydrogen. Thank you.

to produce green hydrogen. Thank you. No, thank you very much. I look I think

No, thank you very much. I look I think time is of essence. My for for many of

time is of essence. My for for many of us who are trying to develop projects my

us who are trying to develop projects my uh my suggestion of a strategy is

uh my suggestion of a strategy is forget about what you read in the past.

forget about what you read in the past. Forget about the detailed work you even

Forget about the detailed work you even you did in the last few years.

you did in the last few years. take the time and it doesn't need to

take the time and it doesn't need to take a long time, as short a time as

take a long time, as short a time as possible to understand where the

possible to understand where the technology is today, where the costs are

technology is today, where the costs are today and redo those numbers. You're

today and redo those numbers. You're going to be very shocked.

going to be very shocked. United States used to be a huge

United States used to be a huge consumer. It it sucked a lot of ex

consumer. It it sucked a lot of ex oxygen from the world in terms of demand

oxygen from the world in terms of demand for components, for equipment, for

for components, for equipment, for construction activity, for everything

construction activity, for everything and hype

and hype finished.

finished. The supply is there for of all that kit.

The supply is there for of all that kit. They're looking for places to put it. So

They're looking for places to put it. So the costs have changed dramatically in

the costs have changed dramatically in the last few years in the last 18

the last few years in the last 18 months. And interest costs are going to

months. And interest costs are going to coming are coming down.

coming are coming down. So by the time we go to FID by end of

So by the time we go to FID by end of next year for sure we can bet we'll be

next year for sure we can bet we'll be at a different interest rate regime. So

at a different interest rate regime. So to so the one strategy please go back

to so the one strategy please go back and look at real not CNN not nonsense

and look at real not CNN not nonsense real numbers

real numbers and revalidate the business case and the

and revalidate the business case and the business models and you're going to be

business models and you're going to be very surprised. So it's time to act and

very surprised. So it's time to act and get into those first few projects.

get into those first few projects. As we continue to do more projects costs

As we continue to do more projects costs will continue to keep coming down. So we

will continue to keep coming down. So we don't need to worry about the future.

don't need to worry about the future. just focus on what we can do on those

just focus on what we can do on those first few projects now.

first few projects now. Thank you.

Thank you. Sorry.

Sorry. Yeah. Well, if we would know the answer

Yeah. Well, if we would know the answer to your question, I think we would all

to your question, I think we would all do it already. Um, but at the end uh

do it already. Um, but at the end uh what I believe is I mean uh it goes a

what I believe is I mean uh it goes a bit into your direction, Petty. At the

bit into your direction, Petty. At the end, I mean, we need to start and we

end, I mean, we need to start and we need to start maybe a bit smaller um

need to start maybe a bit smaller um than some of the projects we see around

than some of the projects we see around the world with with huge huge huge huge

the world with with huge huge huge huge investment needs. uh and there's a lot

investment needs. uh and there's a lot of risk and with the current technical

of risk and with the current technical cost down VC we see I mean that's going

cost down VC we see I mean that's going to be a nightmare for investors to step

to be a nightmare for investors to step in um but I mean if I just look at that

in um but I mean if I just look at that stage we have the government here we

stage we have the government here we have the technology here we have the

have the technology here we have the projects here we have midstreamer is

projects here we have midstreamer is here um why don't we just get together

here um why don't we just get together yeah um get the offtaker get the bank

yeah um get the offtaker get the bank make a small project happen where you

make a small project happen where you have the whole value ecosystem all

have the whole value ecosystem all together all getting committed and all

together all getting committed and all making it happen um I mean it sounds

making it happen um I mean it sounds that easy but I mean we all sitting at

that easy but I mean we all sitting at this conferences we all discussing

this conferences we all discussing always the same thing. Uh we have

always the same thing. Uh we have everybody in this room we need to make

everybody in this room we need to make it happen. Um so we just need to start

it happen. Um so we just need to start and the more we can share those risks,

and the more we can share those risks, the more we get the joint commitment. Um

the more we get the joint commitment. Um the quicker we can get something done.

the quicker we can get something done. Um and starting um is probably the

Um and starting um is probably the hardest then scaling up later. Um that's

hardest then scaling up later. Um that's a mechanism we know from I've been with

a mechanism we know from I've been with a technical company before. Um I mean

a technical company before. Um I mean once you have the technology ready

once you have the technology ready getting into cost down is not the

getting into cost down is not the problem. um but getting it started and

problem. um but getting it started and getting your first customers um and I

getting your first customers um and I think again we have everybody here to

think again we have everybody here to make it happen.

make it happen. Thank you Kitty.

Thank you Kitty. Uh thank you. In our view success lies

Uh thank you. In our view success lies in a few things.

in a few things. Enabling

Enabling um policy it's already been said

um policy it's already been said beyond enabling um policy

beyond enabling um policy you're also looking at public private uh

you're also looking at public private uh sector partnerships. very key and also

sector partnerships. very key and also it's very important to invest in local

it's very important to invest in local skills. So skills development it's

skills. So skills development it's absolutely essential and finally

absolutely essential and finally also

also multil multi- uh lateral uh corporations

multil multi- uh lateral uh corporations are key to success and I think that um

are key to success and I think that um you know having had colleagues uh

you know having had colleagues uh speaking over here it is very critical

speaking over here it is very critical that it is a big task that is facing um

that it is a big task that is facing um us as a globe and uh those mult

us as a globe and uh those mult multilateral uh cooperations are

multilateral uh cooperations are absolutely important and the the the

absolutely important and the the the partnerships between governments and the

partnerships between governments and the private sector. Thank you

private sector. Thank you gentlemen. Thank you very much. Um and

gentlemen. Thank you very much. Um and also of course our audience and our

also of course our audience and our audience at home for sticking with us uh

audience at home for sticking with us uh um and not abandoning us for lunch. So

um and not abandoning us for lunch. So we we'll we'll release you in a second.

we we'll we'll release you in a second. But maybe let me say um as we bring this

But maybe let me say um as we bring this very important uh uh discussion and um

very important uh uh discussion and um and conversation to a close, a few key

and conversation to a close, a few key themes have definitely emerged. So we're

themes have definitely emerged. So we're talking about timing. Uh we're talking

talking about timing. Uh we're talking about partnerships and collaboration. I

about partnerships and collaboration. I think we touched on uh kind of taking it

think we touched on uh kind of taking it easy, steady, but still be calculated

easy, steady, but still be calculated about it. And of course we talked about

about it. And of course we talked about policy and technology.

policy and technology. Uh on behalf of the the global African

Uh on behalf of the the global African hydrogen summit, I would sincerely like

hydrogen summit, I would sincerely like to thank you for uh um for being here

to thank you for uh um for being here this afternoon. Um I think our panelists

this afternoon. Um I think our panelists really deserve a round of applause.

really deserve a round of applause. Thank you.

Thank you so much, Mr. Skullpake and your panel notwithstanding the mammoth

your panel notwithstanding the mammoth nature of the assignment notwithstanding

nature of the assignment notwithstanding the controversial nature of the

the controversial nature of the assignment you executed well the sport

assignment you executed well the sport of running teaches us Mr. from sculp

of running teaches us Mr. from sculp that if it's not documented, it didn't

that if it's not documented, it didn't happen.

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