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You're dealing with weapons that would

make hydrogen bomb look like a tinker

toy. It's the largest criminal corrupt

organization in the history of the

earth. Most people have a price. Yeah.

In either blackmail, threats or money or

position. I said sit on it and rotate.

Why are you so controversial? Just let

me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish

the story. You keep interrupting me, but

I will tell you if you'll let me finish.

The really high-tech stuff they've

slammed into a box. It would liberate

every home, every car, every factory,

every country. Yeah. Into energy

independence, no pollution, and no

poverty. Here's a warning to you money

grubbing [ __ ] It's It's going to It's

going to be open

sourced. So, I've been doing this for

one hell of a long time since I was 35.

I thought everything that went bump in

the night was alien. I did. And it

wasn't until I started having people

come forward who said, "Oh, we piloted

these." And then I had guys come forward

who had actually been on the abduction

squad made to look like aliens. Whoa.

And they said, "Oh, no." You met people

who've like committed those crimes.

Yeah. And they feel terrible later in

life.

The folks who know about this, they need

to come clean truthfully soon. This is

getting very serious right now. Whether

you're in Congress, the Senate, the

public, or someone on your podcast, they

need to be arrested and tried for

treason and sedition against United

States. Does that involve storming Area

51 and Dougway and the right pad or

what? What does this involve? Literally.

This week's long awaited American

Alchemist is Dr. Steven Greer. Love him

or hate him, this medical doctor turned

UFO truth seeker has played a big part

in modern disclosure that can't be

ignored. If you are trying to get closer

to the truth, you just can't really

throw out his foundational research, the

Disclosure Project archive, and his

whistleblower testimonies. He's gathered

more firstirhand UFO witnesses than

anyone on the planet, and humanity owes

him a debt for that. In my opinion,

speaking to Dr. Greer is like panning

for gold. If you get past some of his

antics, there's a ton of value there.

I've been told by people not to do this

interview because of those antics. I

don't really care for being told who I

should and shouldn't speak with. Talking

to someone on a podcast is not in any

way an endorsement of all of their

beliefs. So, I decided to sit down with

him. The one caveat I will include here

is Dr. Greer goes after just about

everybody in UFO world and hurls out a

ton of ad homonyms. If I had tried to

perfectly referee all of his

accusations, this would have turned into

an unintelligible and endless argument

about who the bad faith actors are in

UFO world. Although I generally agree

with him there are probably many. So

instead, I tried to show appreciation

for his incontrovertible contributions

to UFO disclosure and to learn what I

could from him. So without further ado

or disclaimers, please enjoy this

special long- form episode with this

week's American Alchemist, Dr. Steven

Greer.

Different parts of the brain have

different activities. But you know that,

don't you?

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Maybe you should interview me.

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I'm here with Dr. Steven Greer. Uh, I'm

so excited to do this. This has been a

long time coming for me because I've

explored a lot in UFO world. Sure. And

you are really responsible for a lot of

disclosure. I mean a lot of the most of

the whistleblowers who've come out have

had a touch point with you before

they've gone public. And so uh

Disclosure Project is is your kind of

organization. You have an archive with

terabytes of data documents that go

incredibly deep on the cover up. You've

also uh made a couple of great movies,

Unagnowledged, uh The Lost Century about

suppressed science and stuff, and the

new one that just came out, The Battle

for Disclosure and The Battle for

Disclosure. And uh and then you've given

me this incredible uh this briefing for

the president. We we cleaned it up.

Okay. Redacted things and made it

available to the public. So, everyone

can get it now. So, you'll have 90 plus%

of what the new president has. That's

pretty awesome. The Disclosure Project

briefing document 2025. So have you

spoken to Trump or his team or I can't I

won't I can't talk about the who the

names but very senior people relevant to

this issue and national security. Yes.

So as soon as the election happened

um even before so some of his closest uh

adviserss and and major funders have

been on my team and are supportive of

this and

uh some of them that are new to that

world and just to be clear to everyone

I'm nonpartisan so I've dealt with all

the way back to Clinton and the Obama

and John Podesta all the way forward to

now. So my institute uh and the

disclosure project is completely a

nonpartisan has to be and only

nonpartisan it's global because I do the

same thing for Europe, Australia, Great

Britain. I was just in Great Britain in

September. So we're assiduously

carefully nonpartisan. With that

said, this

administration, I think the first

administration since Bill Clinton tried

to fix this problem in his first term is

most open to perhaps pursuing it. We'll

see. That would be very exciting. Well,

this brings up this kind of perennial

question because I think a lot of people

associate this topic with the quote

unquote deep state and they also

associate Bill Clinton with the quote

unquote deep state. And so, how deep is

the deep state that deals with this

topic? If you have Bill Clinton kind of

knocking on the door of the program and

not getting let in, what are we talking

about as far as a a power structure

here? Well, it's exactly what Eisenhower

described when he went out of office in

' 61 in January 61 when he left and Jack

Kennedy came in and he said, "Beware of

the military-industrial complex. it'll

become a threat to our way of life and

excessive secrecy will destroy

democracy. I'm paraphrasing, but you can

read the speech. Um, the same thing that

Jack Kennedy said in a number of

speeches. And then we know for a fact

and I know the people who have the

actionable intelligence on this. Jack

Kenny was killed over this issue and the

constellation of programs attached to

GAPS and particularly the science and

technology branch of it which we'll get

into. That's two big pillars here

keeping it secret. They want people to

go out publicly, and we know who they

are, who will spin the subject in the

direction of it being an alien threat

for the purpose of a totalitarian

superstate uniting the world against

aliens, which is a total hoax and

nonsense. And that's, you know, it's

like the movie Independence Day or the

War of the Worlds or whatever, you know,

like when Will Smith goes, "Let's kick

alien butt." Right?

that you know that whole script was like

out of CIA central scripting casting.

Not that Will Smith is, he's a great

guy, but um who's reached out to us and

very interested, but I think that the

the trajectory of this goes back to the

late 50s.

Probably earlier, but definitely the

decapitation

of the presidency happened on

Eisenhower's watch. Mhm. And we know

that Jackie Gleason knew this and some

people that in my early days as a young

doctor when I first started this, I got

to know some people who had known

Eisenhower

and and uh like one of our

whistleblowers way back then at the when

we kicked off the whole disclosure

project effort in the mid 90s. It was

called Project Starlight code name was

we were private and then it went public

in 01 with the National Press Club that

had 800 million people see it. And then

9/11 happened a few months later as a

direct consequence which we I don't want

to get into that much but it was this

was going to get blown wide open.

Interesting. They had to have they had

needed a diversion. So they created

something called 911 and that's been

stuck in that world for 20 years. But

what's fascinating about this so-called

deep state is that it was an carryover

out of World War II.

And it started when uh a man who was one

of the original founders of CIA, Alan

Dulles,

uh it was OSS during World War II. The

other thing

was a guy named Paul Melon. And Melon

was one of the few billionaires in the

world at the end of World War II. I

mean, a million having billions of

dollars in 45.

Yeah. Amazing. So Paul Melon's

grandson, who is John Warner IV, the the

the son of Senator John Warner, I got to

know years ago. And he said, "Look,

first time I walked into his house

at the Watergate, he has two a huge

place on the water." And and uh John

Warner, not his father, the Senator

Warner, but John Warner. He I walk in,

he goes, "Well, my whole family were

fascists." I went, "What?" He says, "Oh,

yeah." So his his grandfather Paul Melon

so Warner his father had married uh Paul

Melon's daughter so it's all very

familial

this runs family back way back and he

said yeah I mean he was a huge supporter

of Adolf Hitler and fascism so was Henry

Ford so was Watson of IBM so these were

all hardcore and so was Prescott Bush

George HW Bush's dad they were known to

be big supporters of fascism They were

at like Union Bank, Brown Brothers,

Haramman. Yep. All that. Chase

Manhattan, the whole the whole thing. So

that was went put into kind of stasis

for a few years till we won I call it

the battle of World War II, but then

those people sort of covertly surfaced

after World War II. Well, there's a

story of John Warner and he's having

martinis, I believe, with with Paul

Melon. That's what I'm talking about.

And he admitted this. And he admitted

going over and getting a Nazi disc.

That's right. That was not a ramjet. It

was actually electrogravidic. And my

grandfather said, "Look, you know, we we

were in a facility, a hanger, and we

saw, you know, a German flying disc."

And I said, you know, "Oh, is that the

one that was cobbled together with six

BMW jet engines?" And he laughed and he

said, "No." Now, some of them are

extraterrestrial. Yeah. I don't use the

word alien because people think it's

someone from Guatemala or something, but

um but an ETV, an extraterrestrial

vehicle or NHI craft, non-human

intelligence craft. Um that's not what

he brought back. It was a not it was a

Nazi early prototype, but it wasn't

stable. It took us from

1945 to 1954 to master what's called

gravity control. Yeah. And I have a man

who is a whistleblower but privately who

is the top scientist at the Naval

Research Labs who has passed away. So

I'll say his name is Richard Foch F.

Rick had been in the vault and saw the

documents for the date we mastered

gravity control and it was October 1954.

So beginning in the late 50s forward,

many of the UAPs, UFOs, whatever the new

fake word is are using for these things

that's also out of CI. We'll talk about

the word usage and how it's a mind

colonization. It's a mind [ __ ] excuse

my language, but

um to think how these guys think, right?

You had to get at their level. And so

from there forward they said they had

captured or shot down a couple of ET

craft but they weren't starting from

zero. They already had that right the

Nazi disc. They had the T. Towns and

brown electro revidics which became the

foundation of Rand Corporation by the

way. And so how do you that's

interesting because I know Towns and

Brown did some experiments in the 60s

right before his work got kind of

covertly transferred to Northrup Grumman

for the B2 and he did a presentation for

Rand Corporation and then something

happened and so Y but that started in

the 20s. Mhm. Well his experiments.

Yeah. Okay. So the late 1920s they were

using very high voltage material uh uh

resonant frequencies certain frequencies

at very high voltage but low power. Mhm.

Not a lot of current. Low current. Yeah.

Low current. If you understand

electromagnetism and power is you know

the the current times the voltage.

Right. The fact is is that he was able

to hit a sweet spot with certain

crystallin materials. Mhm. High K

dialectrics. Yeah. And that would then

levitate. Yeah. float that was 28 29 it

was reproduced in Germany in the Kowski

frost experiment all this is in by the

way the disclosure project intelligence

archive we released it all

dpiarchive.com is that

dpiarchchive.com and so I go anyone

wants to see it it's there if you can

read you you'll learn it but so that

percolated along so the CL covert

programs with this go way back to the

turn of the last century Yeah. Late

1800s, early 1900s. There are still top

secret files on this issue from the late

1800s and early 1900s. We know this.

Wow. Way back. Fascinating. Yeah, it is

fascinating. And how do you know that it

goes that far back? Because one of the

very top people since 1979 at the CIA

who's worked this issue is an intel

source for me. So what is the secrecy?

Because we think we associate it with

the CIA which was formed in 47. Even OSS

was 42 through 45. Yeah. So, like if it

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What? Oh, it was it was again it was

military intelligence and scientists who

were under contract and there were top

secret things going on. See, people

forget Nicola Tesla. Mhm. Not the fake

Tesla cars with a little toy battery you

plug in. No, I'm not talking about the

fake Tesla. I'm talking about Nicola

Tesla. Uhhuh. You know, as Einstein was

asked, "What's it like being a genius?"

And he goes, "I wouldn't know. You

should ask Nicola Tesla." See, I think

that was the real genius. I agree with

you of of of the the 20th century him

and towns and brown in my opinion. Yes.

And ma Faraday Maxwell they all had

stumbled across this electromagnetic

effect. So this is when I say we have a

hundred in the lost century. Everyone

goes see this documentary. It's a

documentation of a hundred years of lost

technologies that are really advanced.

And I don't mean the crap out of Silicon

Valley. It's just peripheral garbage.

You know, iPhones, all that stuff. I was

just that's not

high-tech. There's none of it. So, the

really high-tech stuff they've slammed

into a box because it would liberate,

this is a libertarian's dream. It would

liberate every home, every car, every

factory, every country. Yeah. Into

energy independence, no pollution, and

no poverty. But then that undercuts this

uber elite oligarchy. Yeah. The super

powerful trillion dollar. I'm not

talking Elon Musk, couple hundred

billion. Nobody cares about $200

billion. Yeah, we're talking hundreds of

trillions of dollars in assets. Can I

say where I might disagree with you? I

think we have these novel effects in the

black around towns and brown

electrogravitics, things like that,

extended electronamics, and then I I'm

not so sure, you might be right, but I'm

not sure that we have like

scalable zero point energy that could

like take out the grid. Do you have high

confidence that we have? I have 100%

knowledge of it and absolutely really

absolutely we have it and you know what

the CEO of a fortune 50 company Mhm. I'm

sorry chairman not CEO who's retired now

has approached us last year as soon as

he did he had a wet works assassination

team threatened to kill him and his

entire family and grandchildren. Wow. So

he's 80 now, but he wants to come

forward and the first thing he said is

we have we could have had free energy

for the world and quote decades and

decades ago. Absolutely true. Is this

company a defense prime or is it it I

won't comment except it is one of the

it's a household name in the United

States. Wow. And this is the former

chairman. And he came to you saying yes,

I want to get this out. Yes. But of

course this is why we're get to this in

a little while. M why some of the

executive orders and things in Congress

we've been working on provides ironclad

protection

not just legal but physical like federal

marshall protection or secret service uh

to the HVT high value targets very high

value whistleblowers

because we have several categories of

whistleblowers

I have 760ome whistleblowers that I've

debriefed some of them at such a high

level that they're in serious risk. This

is not a conspiracy theory of just being

whacked, right? Killed and their

families and uh we have to protect them.

So, the president needs to sign an

executive order and the Congress needs

to enshrine in law, which they almost

did in December of 23, a little over a

year ago, but that got gutted in the

reconciliation of the National Defense

Authorization Act. And the part of it

that I had helped consult on for Senate

Intelligence Committee because I've been

in the skiff there and done things for

them that got taken out and the

reconciliation by some devils who are in

the House of Representatives. We know

who they are and one of them got removed

Turner. He got removed as head of

because I blew the whistle on it. I said

that guy out. Well, he because here's

the problem. If you are carrying water

Uhhuh. for a criminal conspiracy, a

transnational corrupt organization,

which is what this is, that is

committing murder, abductions. Mhm.

Alien abductions are covert human

programs, by the way, 100%. I mean,

that's the other big secret nobody

knows. Then you're also committing

embezzlement of monies, black budget

money that's being embezzled that the

president and Congress have not have no

knowledge of. You're murdering people.

Take the whole federal penal code, throw

it at these people. So where I am at

this point, because I'm look, in June

I'll be 70. So I've been doing this for

one hell of a long time since I was 35.

My view of it at this point is we're

going to have to get serious against

these criminal elements. But if you're

carrying water for them, if you're one

of their shills or cut out, whether

you're in Congress, the Senate, the

public, or someone on your podcast, they

need to be arrested and tried for

treason and sedition against United

States. I'm going go on the record and

say that. And this is seriously being

discussed. So I'm issuing this as a

warning. This chicainery and nonsense

one way or another is going to come to a

screeching halt because there are

people, not just me. I've been saying

this for 30 years. You go back and see

what I saw in the meetings with the

Clinton people back in 95.

93 94 95. I briefed the CIA director for

Clinton in December 13th of 93. Wow. So

I mean before probably you were born.

But the point I'm making is that this is

a really huge problem. So if even if

you're a low-level operative, you're

just carrying water for this messaging.

Mhm. Right. And disinforming the public

or blocking bills, you are part of a

criminal operation and RICO racketeering

influence corrupt organization

conspiracy can be invoked and grab them

all up. Speaking of Clinton, his uh

deputy assistant secretary of defense

for intelligence, Chris Melon, has been

responsible for pushing a lot of, you

know, disclosure post 2017, this article

with Leslie Kaine, these videos that

have come out, he and Lou Alzando, uh,

in the New York Times, how do you square

that with Paul Melon being one of the

founders of the CIA? because all three

of the people you named are being told

to tell part of the truth and the

partial truth is actually more damaging

than than saying nothing. So if you tell

people one we don't know what these are.

So all three of them say it's a UAP we

don't know what they are bull malarkey

or in Texas cow pods. I mean it's just

nonsense. We know what they are. There

are extraterrestrial vehicles and HIV

vehicles. There are man-made ones.

That's the majority that are seen now.

That's the biggest secret. And then

there are things that are

extradimensional. They're not from

another star system, from another

dimension. They're not craft. They're

beings. All that gets put into a blender

and confused on purpose. Are there any

time travel to gas? Well, time and space

is fungeible, right? But I'm just want

to stay on this for a minute. So if

you're if you're told, "Say this, but

then misdirect the public on that." Let

me tell you how

great counter intelligence

works. You take truth, put it on the

outside, like a sweet coating.

Inside this nice little piece of candy

is the poison pill. So they'll come out

and they'll say, "These are real, but we

don't know what they are. We don't know

how they fly." Big lie.

Or they'll say they're a threat to the

national security. Well, the man-made

ones are because they're running by a

transnational criminal organization out

of the control of the White House and

the Congress. What is that organization?

Do we have a name for it? Oh, it used to

be called Majestic 12. The last I know

it's been the last good name I can

pinpoint on a document from the 90s from

the NRO national reconnaissance office

was uh magic magic which is the majority

joint intelligence committee or just

magi they're they're a global they're

transnational organization oh absolutely

that coincides with different

governments national governments but

basically has supersedes them has power

over them. Yeah, I mean it's what the

Senator Inowi who was a Democrat who was

the chairman of the committee looking

into Iran Contra back in the 80s the

Reagan years a and he said um beware now

he's the one who said there exists a

shadow or secret government that's above

the US government that has its own

funding mechanism its own air force its

own navy that's above the law and free

from the law itself I'm almost quoting

you can look it up it's in our archive

How do they stay coordinated in the

world of like smartphones and stuff

where you know

how the the regular guys at NSA don't

have the level to keep that organization

out because they have technologies that

penetrate time space that go beyond

electromagnetic conventional encryption.

So, do you think you've met any members

of this majestic 12 or or magic? Okay.

Course I have for sure. For sure.

Interesting. And that's why you know

back in '92 Yeah. Well, I was on Patrick

David's show a couple weeks ago and he

said, you know what kind of I said,

well, in '92, General Stubbleine offered

me $2 billion. Yeah. To be part of his

little cabal of goostepping fools. And I

said, what did he say? What did So

Stubbleine is what? Army counter intel.

He was I think at one time he had been

head of army intelligence and special

forces and um whole career but his

career dealing with UFOs goes back to

the 60s. Really? Yes. So when did I had

an intel source who had worked with him

way back then? Now remember this is

1992. So this is 33 years ago in May.

Um, and Bet David thought there's no way

that was a serious I said, "Oh, yeah, it

was." Because he knew I could make a lot

of trouble for them and that would have

been a bargain, two billion, because

I've caused a lot more trouble. Did they

ever offer to show you a UFO and to so

that you would stop talking?

No. I mean, look, there no amount of

money or threats are going to get me to

stop the mission I'm on. That's to bring

the truth out of this and let us start a

real golden age where we have all these

technologies, you know, super advanced

society. Have you ever seen a UFO not in

the air but in a hanger in like a Oh,

taken to one of those places. I've been

in places where they have been. I have

not seen this. Yeah. Okay. But I have

many many whistleblowers. See, one of

the my gripes with the House Oversight

Committee Yeah. They have not had a

single legitimate whistleblower up there

who's a direct firshand person. M and I

find it very very very odd. Yeah.

Because I I've met and discussed this

with with Grush and Luna and others and

I go here here's a hard drive. Yeah.

Unredacted. Well, you've spoken to David

Grush. Oh, yeah. Well, I met Okay, let's

go back a little bit. Yeah. I met with

Grush when he was still an undercover

uh operative. Okay. And no one knew who

he was. His bosses were the ones I was

providing intel to that helped him and

other people get to find what he found.

Who were who were his bosses? I can't

talk about that. There are people in the

look the the Senate Intelligence

Committee and Senate Armed Services had

authorized and a bill had been written

to form Arrow at the Pentagon and to

have investigations on this. So the

bosses in charge of that at that level

of intel were the people who wanted him

to go out and one of them set up this

meeting between me and and and Mr.

Grush. Um and do you like David Grush?

Do you feel like do you find him to be

an honest actor? Oh he absolutely what

he said about what he found but again

he's secondhand.

My whistleblowers are direct firsthand.

He has said that he's actually had

firsthand knowledge since getting that

critique. So, and I don't know exactly

what that is, but well, he's been pulled

into some, but the problem is he got

attached to a gentleman named Luis

Alzando who is mainly there to provide

partial truth and this is what I was

talking about earlier. So if if you put

out some information and then attach the

disinformation to it, there's a threat,

we need to, you know, go to World War II

in an alien battle, we don't have um

these technologies ourselves. We've

never developed that advance. When I

have direct people who've worked on,

built and flown the man-made UFOs,

right? So these are your high value

target whistleblowers. You have a

whistleblower who's flown uh an alien

reproduction vehicle, a UFO that we've

and more importantly the man who managed

all the pilots who flew them out of

Edwards Air Force Base Edwards complex.

Did he say what it was like to fly in a

UFO? Well, they're control from 1G. Wow.

So in other words, they could be going

200,000 miles per hour, stop, make a

turn, and now your if you were in a

conventional aircraft, even if it could

go that fast, your no your brains would

come out through your nose from the kill

you. Oh yeah. G forces would just

splatter you. But they can control. So

really what they are, they're moving in

an electromagnetic field, space-time

bubble, so that they can move as if

there's none of that gravitational

effect. Did he say he was feeling like

he would feel like he was going fast or

it was You can feel mostly like 1g or a

little lighter. Wow. So, yeah, you don't

feel that uh centripal force or centrif

Well, if they do it right. They have.

They've had some terrible disasters.

Uhhuh. I know a man two different people

who've been on the retrieval teams of

the triangular ones. Ah, so North

Grumman, my uncle was on the team that

designed the lunar module, the first man

on the moon. Oh, that's cool. And uh his

whole career is North Grumman. Now, this

was not his portfolio, but he heard

things, right? Because he was a senior

project manager, eventually moved out

from Long Island at Beth Page where they

actually designed and built the lunar

module, landed on the moon with Neil

Armstrong to California. But he was this

was not his because you know those

special projects let's call them within

Northrup Grum and Lockheed Skunkworks

are hermetically sealed from their

normal business of jets and rockets and

whatever you know the normal stuff

that's true of all these corporate

contractors it it has to be because I

think about like you know China's eating

our lunch in hypersonics right now so

like how is that possible and consistent

with the fact that we have hyper light

drive ships you know like those two

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to each other. You have these secret

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each other exists.

They don't know each other exists. And

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secrecy that Eisenhower foretold

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life its own because of their

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in energy and propulsion, but in

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sure. So then why aren't that this cuz I

but I mean it it's not like you know

it's not like some science fiction you

hit a button and someone becomes an

automaton. I mean the automatons like

Jake talked about, Jake Barber talked

about who are these P3 operators go

through a rigorous training program so

they can become like almost like a

machine human machine interface between

the people controlling them and the ET

vehicles. Mh. So it's a very elaborate

program. But what I tell people is that

in the mid to late 50s, I I had met a

man who invented kind of a headset like

he's wearing that would uh basically put

you in a state in consciousness so you

could remote view distant places. 56.

Wow. And he offered it to me. I said,

"This is gonna be too hot to handle. I'm

It's dangerous enough what we're doing.

I'm if I have that, I'm a dead man."

Mhm. So, but the man was in his 80s by

then cuz that was 50s six. This would

probably been in 93 or 4. Mhm. Um, all

kinds of people started coming to me in

the early 90s after we had four ET craft

materialize in the air in Florida near

Pensacola. Yeah. That my whole intention

was simply to go out and attempt to make

peaceful contact with groups of people

with the ETSs. But once the intelligence

community saw that we knew how to do

that, they came after me like a pack of

Rottweilers. So yeah, I want to tell

that story like how you got nasty bit of

business. So So you were you were an ER

doctor and then you just did you just

feel inspired to start going out and

doing C5 protocols or how did this how

did this all begin? Well, that's a very

long

story. Excuse me. Bless. I just so

people know, I just had emergency

surgery last night for a ruptured

appendix. Yeah, it's amazing that he's

here.

It's I mean I'm an open book folks, but

I mean it was like oh my god. And as a

doctor emergency doctor I go this is

bad. My assistant Raven when we go we go

straight from Houston and drive to the

Texas University Hospital. I can't

believe it. And a friend of a friend

knew a doctor a surgeon there who could

like open me up and do it. But wow. You

know it was you know I I got home from

the hospital. You seem great to me. Oh,

well, people say, "You're a [ __ ]

machine." Anyway,

but well, you know what I told uh J I

texted Jake before I got here. Yeah. And

I said Winston Churchill said, "Never

never never give up." Yeah. So, you just

keep going. Yeah. Always. Yeah. But no,

it's I'm been a little woozy. I hope I'm

being coherent here. No, you're being

super coherent. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's

why I'm having some matcha. Yeah. There

you go. You're good. You're on point.

So, okay. So, so the origin story. So,

you're an ER doctor? Well, I had a

sighting first. Okay. You had a sighting

in when I was eight or nine. Wow. Yeah.

With a bunch of kids in the

neighborhood, my twin sister in

Charlotte, North Carolina, where I grew

up. And uh cuz I did a chapel residency

that so I'm a North Carolina guy. Mh.

And um broad daylight, perfectly

seamless disc. Mhm. About 1963 probably.

Wow. See, three four around the time

Kennedy was killed. Mhm. And I went,

"Wow, that's a UFO as a little kid."

Now, my parents thought we were just

like making stuff up, right?

Parents should believe their children

when they see stuff. Anyway, so um so I

ignited an interest that I had lifelong.

Then my uncle, I just mentioned, was

working on putting the first man on the

moon, which happened in ' 69 when I was

14. I just turned 14. And so I was got

very interested in all of that.

And then uh when when I was 17, it was

my last year of high school, I got very

sick. I got injur I had an injury and

got infected. And I grew up, people

don't know this, in a shack, very poor,

no heat, no air conditioning, had a

kerosene heater in the floor. Uh we were

starving on the streets, literally. I

had all we had all kinds of problems.

So, I had ended up getting on my own and

had a apartment in high school. Uh, I

was tall and hairy, so everyone thought

I was 20 when I was 16. It's a hilarious

story. And so, I washed pots and pans at

a Red Lobster to get through high school

and then would bicycle to school, but I

got worn down and I got very sick. I had

a near-death experience. So my parents

were didn't believe in God, didn't

believe in anything, didn't believe in a

soul, didn't believe in an afterlife,

didn't believe in consciousness.

And then this I went, "Well, were they

wrong?" There's a whole new cosmos out

here. So I had this amazing near-death

experience which introduced me to the

whole science of consciousness,

right? So six months, so about a month

later or a couple months later on my

18th birthday, I learned meditation.

Mhm.

Back in the day, now I'm dating myself,

1973 when the the whole zeitgeist was

transcendental meditation and the

Maharishi and all that. Yeah. So, I

learned to meditate and I had these

amazing experiences in consciousness

like cosmic consciousness, beautiful

experiences. And that's where the

near-death experience was. Well, thank

you God that actually helped get me on a

path. But 6 months later, October 73,

I'm up in the mountains of North

Carolina. If you're in the Blue Ridge

Mountains up near Boone, and there's a

some m So I climbed up this mountain up

over 5,000 ft. And I'm up there before

sunset to meditate. And um I look up and

that same

craft, well, it looked the same. I can't

say it was the same one uh that I saw on

when I was a kid, when I was eight. Now

I'm 18. Just turned 18. Appears in the

afternoon sky, crystal clear October

day. What did the craft look like? It

was a a disc, a seamless disc. Um not a

thin disc, but like you know, kind of

that shape. Mhm. And seamless the sun

shining off of it fully materialized.

And then it didn't move off. It just

disappeared. Wow. Because the

interstellar ones could do it. They can

be here and just boom. Mhm. So I went,

"Oh, they're back." I didn't think

anything about it, right? I said, "Oh,

that's cool. Another sighting." So I sit

to meditate and go in this deep

meditation. And at the end of it, I come

out of it and I it was very long, longer

than I thought it had gotten dark. So

this is near sunset when I saw the

craft. And it's October

73.

And it was kind of beautiful because I

looked up and you could see the whole

Milky Way galaxy. It was crystal clear.

And you're up over 5,000 ft up in the

Blue Ridge. And uh at that moment, a

beautiful thought came and said, uh

beware what a beautiful universe God has

made. M and with that I'd noticed over

the rise of the top of the crest of the

mountain where I was there was a fire

tower I was sitting at the base of the

locals called it a fire tower. North

Carolina it's a fire tower not a fire

tower. And uh I looked there was a glow

and then there was this creature that

came over and he she I don't know was

maybe about 5t tall beautiful deerlike

eyes came over and touched me on my

right shoulder. Mhm. And my at that time

I had a long hair and a lot of hair. And

my hair went boing and it just stuck up.

Uh, and then I boom sort of vanished on

this craft for about I thought it was 40

minutes or so or half hour to an hour

somewhere and it was like four hours.

Wow. Because time space is different and

that's where we sort of co-created and

invented the C5 contact protocols we

use. So you kind of downloaded it from

that experience. Yeah. Or I was it was

it was collaborative. It was like me

experiencing that state of consciousness

as a human in 1973 and them

understanding humans from where they are

which is thousands of years in the

future. Wow. Right. So it was this very

people say metaphysical. It wasn't. It

was very physical but very and very real

but very almost like a lucid dream

because when you go into that state it's

it's almost like a lucid interface

between 3D and four and five and 6D you

know I mean it's very abstract in a lot

of ways but are there ancient versions

of this protocol or okay native peoples

I think this is all such a revelation to

just the last few hundred years since

the scientific revolution where we threw

threw the science of consciousness and

spirituality out with the bathwater.

Right. Right. Because it fell into the

Middle Ages as a superstition and then

burning witches at the stake and and all

that that the scientific revolution said

we don't want any part of that. Yeah.

But I think we're going to come into a

time where the science of consciousness

and this understanding is going to merge

and I and I know Jake Barber and others

understand this with other what we call

science because it is a science. Um and

that's what I discovered by studying the

vas and the ancient Sanskrit from India.

It's not Hinduism by the way predates

Hinduism and Buddhism and so that so

after this experience don't they have

flying saucers in the text as well. Oh,

absolutely. The Bhagavagita and the

ancient the manas. Yeah. And these are

thousands of years old. They predate

Christ, Krishna. They predate all those

and there's like spinning mercury at the

center or something. There's Well,

that's maybe okay. You know, but

definitely there were objects like that

recorded thousands of years ago. So, I

said, well, there's really nothing that

new under the sun, right? You know, but

so at what point do all these

intelligence and military people enter

your life? You have Colonel John

Alexander who has a long history in

ufology uh often debunking thing trying

or attempting to debunk his job. Look,

people do what they're told to do. Okay.

Okay. Look, I mean, if you're if you're

someone on the payroll and you're told

you do this or we kill you or or if you

do it, we'll make you very wealthy and

comfortable for the rest of your life.

Yeah. Most people aren't going to do

what I'm going to do. Is that why I said

sit on it and rotate to the stubble by

I'm sorry it' be vulgar. The two

billion. Yeah. Do you have that in

writing the offer? Oh god. Of course

not. Don't be naive.

No, but it was I witnessed to I mean he

then went to my wife tried to convince

her. But what I'm saying is that most

people have a price. Yeah. In either

blackmail, threats or money or position

or power. Like I've known a couple

billionaires. All they wanted to do is

get access to the secret technologies.

Uhhuh. And understand and see stuff.

Bigalow was one of those cuz I knew him

at the Rockefeller ranch in 93. M right

when Rockefeller hosted all these folks

and Lawrence Rockefeller right yeah

hosted and he he did he fund some of

your work as well early on he did and it

got intercepted by some people on his

team who were knocks nonofficial covers

for the CIA it's so interesting though

Rockefeller you have Melon Rockefell

like all these old families seems very

interested in this sort of tech not just

interested but involved involved okay

now Lawrence was the philosopher king of

the family David he seemed like a good

guy Lawrence totally Yeah, but he was

surrounded by devils. These people get

so they don't know it. They get

surrounded by these operatives. And it's

like, you know, the expression smile,

smile, and be a villain. I've never

heard that, but Oh, yeah. Interesting.

Well, in literature. Uhhuh. Boy, we need

to reinstitute education in Sorry. Catch

me up. I know. I'm I'm terrible. You

imagine growing up. My four daughters

are over. If I used a word they didn't

know, I adistic. I They go look it up. I

think we need more uh more shaming

around uh cultural illiteracy like I

just displayed. So, I I appreciate that.

I'm now extra motivated. No, no, I'm

just I'm just ribbon you. Um don't take

me too seriously about that, but um

you're a smart guy. Uh but you know it

was it was quite clear that Lawrence had

greatest intentions but he also he had

said this to me his brother David

Rockefeller and Jay Rockefeller who had

been chairman of Senate Intelligence as

Senator Senator Rockefeller from West

Virginia. They were jumping up on his

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Yeah. The in the Rockefeller ranch in

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the Tetons, the whole ranch, and gave it

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out this beautiful ranch. And that's

where the Clintons would go that in the

summer for vacation to learn about this.

But um the uh ranch had this beautiful

cabin on at lodge and we were laid one

night out on the deck and he and and he

said uh I asked him I said look now this

is 90 9 September of 93. Mhm. And

remember I'm very new to this um but I'm

got pulled in very quickly after the

intelligence community realized that we

could make contact. Mhm. Um, but there

were people who were friendly to this.

So, you have the white hats and the

black hats, let's say.

That there were people who wanted this

to get fixed and people who never wanted

this to come out, right? So, the ones

who don't are implacable enemies. The

ones that do try to help, whether

they're doing it overtly or covertly.

And Lawrence was trying to help. He was

trying to help but his

his nephew the senator Jay Rockefeller

and his brother Chase Manhattan chairman

of Chase Manhattan. David Rockefeller.

Yeah. Which became Yeah. David. Yeah.

They didn't want he he said they are

already jumping up and down on my nuts.

That's what he said. For even having

this meeting with you. Yeah. So I said

no. So cuz I'd asked him I said we need

help. Yeah. And you can help us. So you

feel like he got kind of styied by his

family family and later by people on his

team that betrayed him because he was

funding John Mack as well, right? Yes.

That was part of the betrayal and he I

think because he he was he was moved his

funds over into people who meant well

like John Mack. I knew John Mack pretty

well. But did you like John Mack? Did he

find him to be an honest actor? He was

doing the best he could with what he

knew. Yeah. So but he's kind of a hero

of mine. I think he's great. But but no,

but if you're working with only two

cards out of a 52 52 card deck. Yeah. So

he had two cards out of the 52 cards for

the audience. John Mack, head of the

Harvard psychiatry department, did all

the work with the abductions and stuff.

Exactly. Childhood friend of Bud Hopkins

who got into all these reg started

regressing people and but what they

didn't know every one of those cases

that were being funneled to him Yeah.

were all done by humans. None of them

were actually. I want to get into this

with you because you've said so one of

the most famous cases abduction cases in

you know US history that I think the

Obama's production team is now making a

a show on for Netflix or a movie on is

the Betty and Barney Hill case of 1961

and you say that that was perpetrated by

humans and not aliens. Well I I it very

likely was but only because the

mechanism how it happened would not be

consistent with interstellar

transdimensional technologies. Mhm. We

also know that by that date, I think

when that 61 or something like that, we

already had fully operational man-made

electrogravetic craft with people who

were made to look like aliens and stage

it's called stage craft doing this. Now,

John Mack didn't know that. Bud Hopkins

didn't know that. You think we could do

that one? We absolutely could have.

Really? So, what I'm saying is here's

what I'm trying to say. I want to be

very clear on this. M I'm not saying no

one's had contact with ETSs. I did. I

wouldn't be here if I hadn't had that

contact. Jake had that consciousness

contact with the egg he picked up. Mhm.

Um profound and I did too. Uh in 73,

but and it was beautiful. And these

civilizations are completely

not only are they benign, they're they

be closer to an angel than a demon.

But that's what some of your critics say

is you summon stuff and it can be not

always good, you know. Oh, well, I mean,

those are the religious nuts that are

like, you know, end of the world

esquetology fanatics, but there have to

be some bad like just like us, right?

Aren't there some? I'm sure there are,

but they're not allowed out of their

solar system. It's like, oh, I know

that. So, you think that's like I know

what the I know what the protocols are

for, let's say, real space command, not

the US space command. Do you believe in

anything demonic in that world? In the

world of the ET thing? Well, see, now

you just mixed up two of the three

categories that I elucidated. There are

extraterrestrial vehicles or NHI craft.

There are man-made lookalikes in

faximiles and there are things from

other dimensions that are really nasty.

Okay. That are not extraterrestrial. And

you're saying if you but they're being

deliberately conflated by people like

Jim Smivan and Alzando and others to

gaslight people in Congress. But

wouldn't Jo have said that too? Wouldn't

he say because in the 80s he got taken

in by that organization. You think Jo is

is co-opted by He absolutely did get

really 100%. We know know who did it,

how they did it, what he got. Can you

say anything more? No, I won't. I'm just

saying, wow, we are not going to

tolerate people who spread knowingly or

unknowingly disinformation that could

lead to an interplanetary war and the

termination of life on Earth. That's

what that agenda is. Don't be naive. How

do how do you get the minds and hearts

of people Yeah. to unite against some

totalitarian global threat unless

they've been brainwashed for decades

with abductions and mutilations and

false images and Hollywood movies.

That's what that is. It's it's a CIA

psychological warfare operation. I don't

get that vibe from Jacqu Valle though. I

think he's a little deeper as far as

he's much deeper now. Yeah. No, he's

he's completely come out of that. Okay.

But back in the day Uhhuh. Like I

astronaut Ed Edgar Mitchell invited me

to uh brief the board of knowetic

sciences back years ago. Cool. Yeah. And

Jacqu Fole and I were there for this

weekend of this retreat. Um eventually

Claybourne Pel Senator Pel came. That's

really Claybourne Pel is you know

Senator who was Biden's closest mentor

and he was part and Claybourne Pel I

found out later after he died was part

of this cabal. Well, he was interested

in all this stuff. But he was also

carrying water for that organization.

Interesting. Yeah. So now look, I mean I

this has been a 35 years. When you say

that organization is that magic or this

transational thing we gave you the

graphic for you guys can show to the

public. Well, it is interesting what was

rumored. So the MJ12 documents came out

from 84. It was a string of documents 84

into the '90s. And um in the Majestic 12

was a guy named Delev Bronc. And Det

Bronc was, I believe, president of the

Rockefeller Foundation for a little bit.

Yes. So, look, all the big

industrialists.

So, first of all, let's ratchet this

back a little bit. Yeah. Sure. What the

definition of fascism is nowadays, if

someone disagrees with you, you're a

fascist. Everyone's a Nazi. Everyone's a

fascist. Right. Right. Let's put that

aside. The actual definition of fascism

is very powerful industrial corporate

interest taking over and overly

influencing the government of we the

people and and corrupting it or moving

it in the direction so that the

government is serving the interests of

those large oligarch corporate interests

those so in the industrial revolution

and era it would have been that crowd JP

you know Morgan Rocke now it's the big

tech companies and others. We know how

it works. You know, I have a guy who is

with NSA who was in meetings with some

of the senior seuite people at a major

tech and telecommunications company sort

of colluding. Well, we know from Snowden

completely illegal stuff, right? We know

we know from Snowden they had back

doors. They had Bull Run and Prism and I

don't think this was done unbeknownst to

Google and Apple and so we No, it was

with their cooperation. Yeah. All right.

But it it reaches a point where it also

becomes collusion between that element

within what is being called the deep

state which is a misnomer in a way

but let's just call it that and these

corporate interests because they they

have an interest in not letting the

public know the truth because the truth

leads in

inexorably to the release of the tech

that's going to terminate oil, gas,

coal, nuclear, wind, solar, hydroelect

electric, all of it. What do you think

of Bob Lazar? So Bob Lazar, obviously

famous, you know, UFO whistleblower

claimed to be at S4, a special

compartment of Area 51, 1987. Uh, some

files get put on George Knap's desk from

this uh CIA cargo pilot named John Lear

saying, "Here's this guy, Bazar, and you

know, he's been reverse engineering

craft, and the craft looks like Billy

Meyer's sports model. It's this, you

know, UFO." Do you think Bob Lazar is is

legit? and actually worked uh at Area 51

on reverse. You know, I have had no one

corroborate that. So, if you look follow

what I do, if I have information

on the UFO's interest in our nuclear

programs, I'll have half a dozen, a

dozen guys who don't know each other who

have not colluded or or synced up their

stories to confirm that. I've not had

anyone confirm his presence there at

that time and what he actually saw.

Yeah. Now, I think he probably saw

something. He was there a short time.

Mhm. So, what he might have been

provided was part information and part

disinformation and a controlled leak

happened, I think, to gaslight. Okay.

So, let me explain how very

sophisticated counter intelligence

works. Again, you have information as

that's the sweet candy on the outside,

but then quite unwittingly, I think he

could have been given some false

information because things were

beginning to come out and they wanted to

to gaslight people off the path. He

admits that he says maybe I because he

was forced to drink a liquid and then he

was given information that looked like

the same information Rick Dodie gave

Linda Molton How and Paul Benowitz in

79. Happens all the time. Yeah. Happens

all the time. Interesting. Yeah. So you

think like that's what's so tough about

this topic is there's always disinfo

riddled in the info and then you but

that's been that's been my job is to

pull that together. I call it the

disclosure matrix or the disclosure

mosaic. Actually the mosaic is like you

want to create a accurate picture and

you have to get a thousand piece billion

pieces. It's just so hard and put it

together. It's so hard to talk about

because even like I you know bringing up

the Majestic 12 that's like seen as a

joke but then you could say oh maybe

James Jesus Angleton who's running

counter intel for the program for

decades actually kind of pushed this and

there were there were elements of you

know falsifiable things sprinkled in to

some that's what I think you know yeah I

know but like but then you say it but it

has this like jokey connotation MJ12

like come on MJ12 you know it's a it's a

great tactic but look that whole

operation. Everyone says military

intelligence is an oxymoron.

It isn't. I mean, there there are some

incredibly brilliant people. Yeah.

Particularly in these scops dealing with

this. What's your process? And they're

very very slick and they're very good.

How do you know? So like somebody, you

know, like Randy Anderson who I've

interviewed who, you know, said he was

taken down to an underground facility,

you know, at Crane, Indiana, and he he

again came to you first. And so I want

you should have you should be given a

lot of credit for all these

whistleblowers who were coming out. Um

or Jake Barber who said he was red

teaming you initially. He came to kind

of infiltrate your camp. How do you

verify that somebody is, you know,

actually has your best interest at heart

and is being truthful to you? Cuz for me

it on just being very real often it's

like vi I think I've gotten certain

things wrong and I think I I just try to

you know uh uh sus out people's energy

but then also obviously look for as much

cross corroboration that isn't

correlated with the source but like I

have to have you know a certain

percentage of humility where it's like

I've probably gotten things wrong before

and so absolutely you feel the same way

or do you look the 1997 briefings we did

for Congress off off site at the

hotel. We had somebody made it very far

into that process. Mhm. Who uh and thank

God my military adviser

and uh and and uh I think it was Edgar

Mitchell and one of my other

whistleblowers were at the bar with this

guy late one night, the night before we

had the meeting for Congress. And the

day before we had had a gathering so all

these whistleblowers could get to know

each other, create an aspree decor, you

know, kind of make them feel safe

because they're all doing it together

because it's scary. Mh. And um this this

guy that we thought was legit started

paddling on with some absolutely

provable false information. And some of

his information was true, but he was

going to fold in and embellish it into

things that were false. Mhm. And I got a

knock on the door at 3:00 a.m. and said,

"This guy is putting in stuff that we

absolutely know his fault." I said, "Ask

him to go home." So, I pulled him out of

the meeting. So, guy, the guy hates my

guts, right? Because he this is going to

be his thing to stand up from. I mean,

Dan Burton, who was chairman of

oversight committee uh for the House,

who was issued a thousand subpoenas for

Bill Clinton, right, during the Monica

Lewinsky and all that nonsense. So I

said, "No, he's out." So look, yes, of

course. I mean, I'm one man, but and I

have mostly a volunteer team, the high

place, the wellsplaced people, but yeah,

I mean, I have I've been gas lit and and

deceived and betrayed and ultimately

it's like what I was saying, ye shall

know them by their deeds. But what do

they do? Eventually, someone's gonna

show their ass, right? And then they're

out, you know? And for me, I know it

sounds rough, you get one bite at that

apple, right? Because what we're dealing

with at the level of of say a president

or congress or the public information is

that this is too important a matter to

be allow someone who's in there sort of

telling halftruths. And this is why I

will immediately separate with someone

who coingles known false information

with information. Now, if they do it

unwittingly, it's okay as long as they

correct it. If they're doing it

deliberately, like Luis Alzando, it's a

bridge too far. Now, I'll forgive

anything if someone comes clean. Right.

What's the daylight between you and Lou

Alzando as far as the substance you were

because I mean I think you're putting

out keep interrupting me, but I will

tell you if you'll let me finish. Yeah,

sure. Number one, he tells people and

has told people consistently, we don't

know what these are. Now he's changed

that a little because he has to. Then he

said they're a threat to the national

security. The implication being the NHI,

non-human are a threat, which if that's

the case, then we're going to go to

World War II in a Star Wars fiasco. And

it's a complete false nar. He's kind of

walked that back though. Well, he has to

because we're going to this is we're

done with that. And then he would also

say we don't have anything that flies

like that. So, like when David Fraver

and I first spoke, who is the F-18

Hornet pilot,

and it was a serendipitous meeting

because there's a band called Godsmack

that's a heavy metal band. Yeah. And the

lead guy, Sully Arnas, a friend of mine,

and it turned out he lived across the

road from David Fraver. Ah. Because his

daughter had backed into his mailbox and

broke it and they he went, "Oh, it's

David Fraver." Really funny. The

universe works in strange ways. That is

a crazy synchronicity. So Sully Arna

calls me up says this God spat lead

singer guy and he and I go, "Well,

really? He's your neighbor?" "Well, get

him on the horn. Let's talk." Yes. This

some years ago. And David goes, "Oh,

yeah. That was, you know, it had to be

alien." I said, "Sir, with all due

respect, that was how the Loheed Skunk

works." Really? That made the craft.

Yeah. That was one of ours. And and he

is now so FAR because Fraver wouldn't

say that now. Oh, he did say so

recently. But in front of Congress he

says I said. Well, they he's been told

since then. He's corrected. So I said

no. That came out of the Lockheed skunk

works. It's one of ours. It was

something that they did on purpose to

see our this global organization to see

how our military would react. So you

think that tic tac was was skunk works?

Wow. In the book we're going to give

you, there's a a a very good account of

it from 1967

over Pennsylvania, and we have a

whistleblower who saw it being offloaded

out of a a big ship uh out of the uh in

1991, I believe. So, yeah, that's ours.

That was that was And then later, very

recently, a Lockheed executive admitted

to David Fraver that was theirs. Really?

But I knew that I knew from the first

time I saw it, I said it was all over

CNN. I go, "That's not extraterrestrial.

It's one of ours." But but David Fraver

feels pretty nononsense to me. Do you

think he's like No, he is a totally

straightup guy. Yeah. But let me unpack

this a little bit if if you'll let me

and just stay with me for a minute. If

you're a if you're a pilot flying jets,

which are circa 30s, 40s, 50s, or a guy

doing stuff with rockets like Mr. Musk,

which is circ 1940s, right? the V2 that

Ver von Brown so a rocket they're

fancier now and better computers it's

the technology is very old it's a Roman

candle a Chinese candle going up and

blowing up periodically so this is

primitive junk I mean it's all junk so

it is compared to what we have out in

these covert programs

so you have no foundation to have been

read in if you're a F-18 pilot. Why

would you be read into something the

president of the United States isn't

read into? But why wouldn't And so the

same is true if you're working for an

aerospace company, but you're working on

the conventional end of it. So they're

they're not they're saying the truth as

they know it. And the danger here's the

danger. I want to get to this big key

point.

If you don't know, there are three major

things going on. ET, man-made, and this

weird stranger thing sort of

extradimensional spooky stuff and that

they're deliberately being co-mingled to

offiscate, hide the truth, you're going

to get it wrong. So that is the core of

how the psychological warfare operations

work because most people and this is

from whether you're the president or the

king of England you're not going to know

enough unless you've done a huge deep

dive into this which has been my task to

try to unravel this mess because when I

started out I thought everything that

went bump in the night was alien. I did.

Mhm. 90, you know, early on. And it

wasn't until I started having people

come forward who said, "Oh, we piloted

these." And then I had guys come forward

who had actually been on the abduction

squads made to look like aliens. Whoa.

And they said, "Oh, no." You met people

who've like committed those crimes.

Yeah. And they feel terrible later in

life. So if they were very young, they

were young guys doing it. Now they're

like 70, 80 years old, they feel

terrible about what they did. They

regret it. But they said, you know, if

we talk about this publicly, they will

absolutely kill us because that's the

heart of the secrecy. It's the mind

control stuff, the sort of psychological

world. Let they want everyone to believe

there's a threat from out there because

the card they want to play that Veron

Brown warned about on his deathbed to my

friend Carol Rosen was they want to

create an alien threat to unite the

world in this sort of dystopian, not a

golden age, but a dark age of

militaristic totalitarianism.

So if Lou and his guys move in that

direction, I got to call it out. And

people say, "Well, you're you're not

very friendly." I said, 'N no. I said,

'We got to protect the human future. I

mean, where are we going to end up?

Yeah. And where's the end of this

algorithm going? You run this algorithm

like they're doing it. Oh, we don't have

any craft like that because they don't

want the National Military Command

structure to know that something they

encounter like Mr. Fraver did was ours.

And therefore they'll say, "Oh, it's

alien. Oh, therefore, we're going to

engage in this war. This is how you

start wars. This is how you get in

disasters like after 9/11 when we went

into Iraq and and Saddam Hussein had

nothing to do with that." And he didn't

have the weapons of mass destruction.

This is how you connect the next big

war. This is what happened with COVID.

They took a dangerous virus. It got

loose and then they shut the world down.

even though the World Health

Organization admits now that was a big

public health mistake. So the problem

becomes this being mishandled by this

president and Congress because this all

going to come out in the next year or

two will be a thousand times worse than

with the mishandling of COVID or 9/11.

So, we we're I'm out of we're out of

time to get the information out in a

truthful way, but a truth that can lead

to a future that is a golden era of

peace, prosperity, a pristine planet

that gets fixed, the end of poverty, and

peace here and in space. You cannot have

peace on Earth and engage in war in

space. I would hope agreed. Well, I

would I would But that's Stop. Yeah, but

it's the people that you're talking

about. Yeah, it's the

inescapable conclusion of what they're

saying opens the pathway to that. This

see protecting the human future and

consciousness of of what kind of world

we're going to have. That's actually my

central mission. It's not the disclosure

project. I would hope that if David

Fraver got told by a locked exec, hey,

this is one of ours, he would come clean

about. Well, my assistant can look it

up. I think it did come out somewhere.

Okay. Interesting. But that Yeah, that

makes me uh uh disappointed in favor if

that happens because I would love for

him to No, no, he's he's his view. No,

wait. See, that's wrong. Okay, don't be

impetuous. I'm trying not to be. Don't

be impetuous. You have people who speak

the truth as they know it, right? But

they're only given So, he didn't trust

the Lockheed executive. He He's hearing

other sources telling him other things.

No, no. I'm saying before that his

comments what he said. But I I would

hope that you'd then he'd then correct

the record. He'd then say I think he

probably has by now. Oh, interesting.

But I think he has. I mean, he's a

stand-up guy. Mhm. Seems like it to me.

Yeah. And and u the problem is many of

these people who are great guys get

intercepted by people who are slick

counter inelligence operatives. Anybody

else you think is a bad actor? Look, it

doesn't matter. Here. Here's what the

here it for for your audience. Keep it

simple. If they're denying that we have

these objects, they're either uninformed

or they're disinforming you

deliberately. Mhm. If they say there's a

threat from these objects from out that

are not ours. Mhm. Now, the ones that

are man-made, huge threat to national

security because they're not under the

control of the US military, legal

military or White House or Congress.

Very dangerous. If they say that the

aliens are here for some malevolent

purpose, there may be things from other

dimensions that are quite malevolent and

those deliberately get mixed in with the

aliens. But no, they're not. Because if

they

were, you know, it's like what

Congressman Bchett said, we'd be a a

charcoal briquette floating through

space. Because visualize for a

moment, take what Jake said about

because he's been on your show. I'll

reference him. So, he's been a site

where we've

targeted these ETcraft and down them.

Now, I know I've been at multiple sites

where this is going on and and I know

where they are around the world. They're

in the briefing document I gave you.

There's a map.

Now, they have electromagnetic pulse

weapons. So an electromagnetic pulse is

like when you explode an atomic bomb,

right? And there's a pulse that goes out

that can knock out your whole electric

grid. It's a nuke without the nuke. But

we have taken the nuke without the nuke,

but embedded within that is something

called a scalar signal. Scalar Tesla

described it. It's basically instead of

electromagnetic is a waveform like this,

right? And coherent light is a is a

laser.

where you sync up the wavelength instead

of it being you know waves like this

like on

oscilloscope. A scalar is a point that

goes out

longitudinally faster than the speed of

light. So there is a scalar part within

the EMP

signal that is very disruptive to

interstellar communications and travel.

This is why after we detonated the first

atomic

bomb, the ETSs came in on force in in

mass because it they it not only signal

that we were in trouble that we could go

to a point where we could destroy all

life on Earth, but they also it

disrupted their systems. Do you think

Reagan's Star Wars, the strategic

defense initiative had anything to do

with UFO crash retrievals? Oh, sure. It

was just a front. It was a black budget

front. So the the the whole Star Wars

thing and Brilliant Pebbles was just an

expensive boondoggle. Most of the money

for that went into these black projects.

Wow. The illegal black projects. We'll

get into that in a minute. So, but what

I'm saying here is that these

technologies have been operational since

the late

40s. So, don't see everyone's fighting

the last war. M we figured out I mean

Tesla T Towns and Brown 20s 30s 40s I

mean Tesla was killed in 43. Mhm. Right.

But so the there were massive

breakthroughs in electromagnetism and

things that are to this day still

covert. Those began to be weaponized and

they realized hey there are these craft

that are from here let's get see if we

can knock some down. Yeah. And reverse

engineer them. The the problem

is doing so is an act of war because

we're targeting them. Now, civilizations

that are 10 to the 6th to 10 to the 8th

years more advanced than we are, 100,000

to 10 million years more advanced.

If they were hostile,

we would have been done.

August 1945 over folks, hey kids, you're

done, right? They're not. I know this

from having had contact and everyone I

know who's been on a crash retrieval

team like Jake who's had a close

encounter with the consciousness of

those beings. They are not well the bad

the bad ones might not want to destroy

us. They might want to enslave us or Oh,

you're so brainwashed. I'm just saying.

I'm just hypothesizing. I don't know.

You read you you look at too much

nonsense, man. I mean, look, if they

none of that, that could be done with a

flick of a switch if they wanted to turn

this planet into a automaton planet of

whatever. I mean, what do you think? You

know, I mean, the technologies are so

advanced. You know, this this book is

amazing, by the way, and I I do

recommend everybody read it and buy it

because it's it's a treasure trove of

excellent documentation uh across

decades. One guy in this book is a

really interesting fellow named Bob

Beckwith. And Bob Beckwith wrote about

levitation, uh, teleportation and time

travel. And he also claimed to be

involved with the Philadelphia

experiment in 1942. I knew him. So you

knew Bob Beck with Oh, yeah. Wow. And

and my military adviser was on his board

of directors for his company. So who

because you hear so the Philadelphia

experiment for the audience is you know

that you have this this uh ship uh this

naval ship stationed I believe at

Philadelphia happened in Rhode Island

that was the cover story that's a long

well let's hear it cuz I so and then

here's what's really interesting that

this you might not know about because

this is as of this last month um there's

a guy named Harold Malmgrren and he is a

presidential adviser for JFK LBJ Nixon

and and Ford and he has come out he's

been tweeting a bunch about uh things

that he learned in that capacity and and

getting briefed by Richard Bissell who

is the deputy director of the CIA who

basically founded Area 51 on quote

unquote otherworld technologies. Yes. He

said that a contact of his a high level

intel contact of his from abroad talked

to him about classified work that Tesla

and Towns and Brown did on submarines

together. You have uncovered

collaboration between Nola Tesla and

Thomas Townsen Brown. Yeah, but I said

to you

informally, I did not get that from

any US source. What source did you get

it from?

Foreign intelligence. Do you think it is

a good source? Do you think it's real?

No reason. Why would somebody tell me

that? And so I wonder because I I always

thought the Philadelphia experiment was

kind of quacky even though I've gone

very deep on Towns of Brown. I think

there's a lot to Towns of Brown stuff.

Oh yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. Brilliant.

Yeah. An amazing figure. And also that

for the people that say, "Oh, it's all

electrogravitics and it's not, you know,

and there's no ET component or there's

no UFO component." He had a UFO

interaction that inspired the rest of

his work at the age of 17. So did Tesla

and his mentor uh Dr. Walder Russell.

There you go. The Swanoa Institute. My

house in Virginia is 10 minutes from

Swanoa. Oh, amazing. That's so cool.

Weird

coinc now you have Terrence Howard uh

carrying the mantle of uh Walter

Russell. Um but so do you think anything

happened in the Philadelphia experiment?

And what was your interaction with Bob

Beckwith? Like can we do we have time

travel?

You know, I mean he knew the stuff I

already knew. what I didn't know is what

I wanted him to share with me. Uhhuh.

So, he had invented something called a

nutrino light detector. And now, let me

explain what that is. You know, um, a

nutrino, you can Google what nutrino is,

but these subatomic particles and

whatnot, but what he had invented was a

detector that would pick up nutrino

light, a burst of nutrino. He got a

national security order from the NRO,

National Reconnaissance Office, that

runs all the super secret spy

satellites, so they could seize that

technology to put it on the SATs.

Because what that's used for is when a

nonhuman craft moves out of, let's call

it, transdimensional spaceime into 3D,

there's a burst of this nutrino light

that enables them to pick that up,

triangulate it, and strike the craft to

down it. Wow. So, it's a part of a

weapon detection system. And so, this

genius Beckwith, but he never got to

utilize it because it got seized. Now,

we have a witness who came forward, Eric

Hecker, a couple years ago who worked

for Rathon, and they were put in a

nutrino light system a mile under the

ice at the South Pole. True. And so, one

of the prime bad actors in all this is

Rathon. And um you know, along with

North Grum and Lockheed Skunkworks and

others and he said that caused the

Christ Church earthquake in New Zealand.

Hecker did when they flipped it on the

first time because who knows if they got

the frequencies right. So it's both an

active and passive system. It can pick

up these objects when they let's say

step down out of transdimensional

spaceime into

3D, but they can also be an active

weapon system, a carrier for hitting

them at very very powerful pulses. So

this is the other problem. If you're in

the national military command structure

and you're not read in to the

technologies that this clandestine

criminal organization

has, you're behind the curve very badly.

And my coming of age on that was first

with the director of the CIA for

Clinton. Then in

1997, well, and many other people, but

in 97, I briefed the J2, the head of

intelligence joint staff, Admiral

Wilson. Mhm. And you may know about

that. A memo leaked out from Eric Davis

and I know a lot about it. Well, I was

the briefer. Yeah. So, I was in charge

of the stand-up briefing. Yeah. It was

supposed to be 45 minutes, went on for

two or three hours, and the admiral kept

cancelling meetings. But prior to the

meeting, my military adviser, who knew

him, he had been a senior naval

intelligence

guy, good guy, wonderful guy. Got uh a

briefing document to the admiral and

materials prior to our meeting. And

based on that, Admiral Wilson was able

to run to ground and find some offices

where these operations were going on. He

knew nothing about it and he was the

head of intelligence for the joint

chiefs of staff. Meaning you're putting

the the equivalent of the presidential

daily briefing intelligence brief

together like the director of CIA does

for the president or DNI does uh but for

the joint chiefs of staff. He had no

knowledge of the subject and when he

began to hit pay dirt he got threatened.

He was threatened with being demoted and

taking a star off his lapel which means

a huge pay cut in retirement. And by the

time I got to the meeting, he was a

combination of furious and scared. All

right. So, which I've seen this a

thousand times. I call it P disclosure

PTSD,

which we all have, right? It's serious

stuff. And I mean, if you have that

level of responsibility, you find out

this is going on a whole universe of

this and you're in charge of the

security of the United States. Yeah. And

most of the free world. Speaking of

scary, right? So, so the meeting went on

for a long time, but you know, one of

the existential things at the end of it

was I said, "Well, we really need your

help." Now, this is 28 years ago in

April. It's 97. We really need your help

fixing this problem. He says, "Well, I

don't have access. I've been denied

access." And they flat out said, "You

don't have a need to know." to which he

said I I think paraphrasing if I don't

who does I'm the head of intelligence

joint staff head of J2 it blew him off

so the problem became I I said look he

said who else have you briefed who not

being allowed to know or control this or

the I didn't meet with Clinton

personally but the president the CIA

director and the secretary of defense

Cohen and a bunch of other people and oh

my god I said yes. Now you know how big

the problem is. It's an existential

constitutional crisis.

Much bigger crisis for the United States

and China, Russia, Iran, Middle East. No

one's doing anything about it. It's

dangerous that no one's doing anything

about it. If anyone's listening with the

administration, this should be on your

front burner, not on the back burner.

Speaking of the administration, bizarre

connection between Donald Trump, the

sitting president, and the Philadelphia

experiment is

Exactly. There's not a lot of archival

footage of John Trump who was the

basically uh country's lead in radar at

the time at MIT. Brilliant guy. MIT and

was tasked with going into the FBI vault

that had confiscated all of Tesla's

files and looking at whether any of that

would be of service to national

security. Yep. And so, do you think

Donald Trump due to that might have some

special knowledge on this matter? I

don't I don't think his uncle would have

ever shared that with his his it's like

my my uncle who was with North of

Grumman. Yeah. You know, the things he

told me about were the things I working

on the thing that landed on the moon.

Mhm. In ' 69

when in the late 50s we had things that

could go to the moon and back without a

rocket. Right. But I I if he knew about

it, I don't think he would have even

told me about that because everyone

knows that lethal forces use. North of

Grumman have wet works people who kill

people. So does Loheed, so does Rathon.

So I mean these are thugs. And you know,

Grush's guys, the guys who kind of sent

him out to look into this. Three years

ago when I got pulled into the skiff at

the Senate Intelligence Committee, first

thing I said is that you're dealing with

thugs here. Think of the mafia on super

steroids. It's the largest criminal

corrupt organization in the history

known history of the earth. Period. And

they have the technology and the means

to make your life a living hell, which

mine has been since 1992.

But I I said, "Just be prepared because

I'm I believe in informed consent as a

doctor, right?" So I said, "You have no

idea what you're walking into here." And

boy, within a day or two of that

meeting, the main investigator for

Senate intelligence had two Blackhawks

over his house, unmarked, and he had

access to all flight plans. no flight

plans over his house, shaking the house

with his four children in it with this

guy looking out with the death stare

like you're a dead man staring at him.

So, it's a very dangerous business. Not

if you're talking nonsense. If you're

spreading false information, half

information,

disinformation, no one's going to care.

But if you're actually getting to the

truth like that man was for Senate

Intelligence because he was assigned to

the co-chair and chair of Senate

Intelligence to get to the bottom of

this Rubio who's now Secretary of State.

I tell people

they're going to throw what they can at

you to intimidate you, right? So, you

know, this is I mean for a lot of people

it's a freaking hobby. But the when you

get cut through all that it's deadly

serious stuff. But you know, most

people, they're not going to make it

that far because what's going to happen,

they're going to start on this path and

very quickly they're going to be

intercepted by really professionally

well-trained counter intelligence people

and they're going to go off the mark. I

believe to this day that's what that's

that's Ellando's job. That's Chris

Melon's job. That's uh you know,

frankly, Halputo off's job on energy.

That's that's their job is to divert

people into that dead end culde-sac. I

believe that would be sad about how cuz

I love I love how so I hope that's not

the case. But well, I know for a fact

that I mean he has to do what he's

doing. Okay. His one of his closest

friends is on my team. I know exactly

what they said and what they did to get

him to do what he's been doing. The only

you know the So this is interesting. I

did you know I came up with I'm sorry. I

mean, I I'm at the point that I don't

think people the PE Here's what I think.

Yeah. I said this to your producer.

Yeah. Or friend before we came in here.

Yeah, there

this the the folks who know about this,

they need to come clean truthfully soon

because there is moving through the

system, the ability for a law

enforcement entity I can't name that I'm

providing intel to to go to these folks,

get their information, interrogate them,

and god forbid they lie, they're going

to prison the rest of their life. This

is getting very serious right now. So

people need to either be quiet and not

lie or speak the truth. Yeah. And this

is it is I am making an explicit

advisory here. Well, I I I love that

message and I you know I made this deep

dive on Thomas Towns and Brown. I think

he's this amazing figure who deserves to

be vindicated. And right before I did

it, um Eric Davis got in touch with me

and was like Townsen Brown is a a phony.

And I was I had known enough at that

point. He's counter intelligence. I

didn't I so I don't know. But you know

that? Oh, I've known that

since early 2000s 90. I mean, yes. Oh,

man. Such a bummer cuz all these guys

are, you know, there's so much brain

power. And so, it's a Yes. But think

about it. Uhhuh. You're going to put

really good people out there to carry

the water to mis, misdirect, what have

you. Look, you know, put if put my I can

put myself in anyone's shoes. Mhm. I'm

going to put myself in the shoes of sort

of the ruling pilot bureau of this

covert group. You're going to send

people out who are very well trained.

Some of them go through something called

the farm, which where they're

professionally trained to lie, pass lie

detectors, da da da. They're very well

trained at social engineering. I'm your

best friend. Trust me, wink wink, and

then gaslight you to misdirect you. So,

none of that surprises me. It's what you

would expect if you took seriously what

Wilbur Smith said in the 1950 document.

It's in the briefing document that was

top secret from the Canadian government

that I think accidentally got

declassified. And he said, you know,

about us reverse engineering the ET

craft. But one of his conclusions was he

said no, not a conclusion. He was told

directly that this issue was more secret

than the development of the hydrogen

bomb two levels higher. Uh and that was

in 1950 two years before we had it. And

that was that is how seriously the

secrecy is because they were trying to

figure out the opus operande the modus

operande of the ET craft which means how

they operate. That is and they had not

done that yet. See it was 54 is when

they had the breakthrough. This is 50.

So if you're trying to keep something

like this secret,

you're going to deploy every asset you

can up to and including the president of

the United States, right? Never mind

putting out to, no offense, people new

to the subject who have no intel

background where you can gaslight people

over and over again. And that's true

whether it's you, Joe Rogan, ABC News,

60 Minutes, whoever it is. So that's the

that is the Achilles heel of disclosure

is that for every great person who comes

forward trying to tell the truth, there

are 10 people who are going to say part

truth, part part fiction. And so I'm

just saying that I'm becoming less and

less patient with that. I used to be a

lot more diplomatic than I am now. Like

man, I'm getting old and crotchety.

Well, I'm just out of surgery, too. So

yeah, it's pretty impressive. Well, I

mean, I have a little bit. um some pain.

I I don't take any opioids or or or

narcotics. I'm amazed. Well, I I

wouldn't let him give me even going into

surgery. I said, "No, give me some

toridol non-steroidal." And it's

incredible. Well, to this day, RFK Jr.,

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Oh, he's great.

He's amazing. And he's in the current

administration

uh as as FDA or Health and Human

Services, right? Or HHS. Yeah. He uh

says that his father was not killed by

Sir Han Sirhan but by this guy Eugene

Thain Caesar who I believe was a skunk

works security guard or something. We

look you know I have a letter. It may be

in the book. It's in our archive. Yeah.

And it was his dad Yeah. writing to um a

uh a UFO researcher back in ' 68. It's

dated one month before they killed him.

Wow. And he it said it opens saying I'm

card, excuse me. It it says I'm a card

carrying member of the amalgamated

uh Flying Saucer Association of America.

There was such a thing. I went, "Oh my

god, what I so iconoclastic, an

anacronism." And I go, "Wow." You know,

and I get this letter and so I, you

know, years ago I ran into RFK Jr. at

Sundance and 50 Cent was play. I was

given a talk and RFK Jr. had had done

documentary about mountaintop removal

mining, coal mining in West Virginia.

What a environmental disaster. And um

called the the last mountain. I think it

was called the last mountain. It was

great. Um and I told him just briefly

because we were in this crowd, I have a

letter from your dad about this UFO

issue dated a month before they killed

him. Wow. And that's why because if he

he was going to get the nominee nation

and he would have won, but his dad was

super interested in this and also I'm

convinced knew that his brother RF Jack

Kennedy, the president was killed over

this. You think he he was killed over

UFOs specifically? Oh yes. So the the

data points that I have around that are

I believe I don't know if this letter is

real. Maybe you would know if this

letter is real. There's a there's a

letter dated November 12th, 1963, 10

days before he died to John McCone. John

McCone is the acting CIA director

because he had just fired Dulles. Right.

And McCone also was the former uh head

of the Atomic Energy Commission, so he

would probably know a little a thing or

two about the UFO issue. Oh, he would

have. And JFK is saying to John McC, we

need uh to coordinate better with the

Soviets on this issue of quote unquote

unknowns in Soviet airspace so they

don't mistake these unknowns as acts of

American aggression. Exactly. Yeah.

Could trigger World War II. So, do you

think that letter is real? I don't know

the provenance of it. I think it likely

is. It comports with the facts. But

here's the other thing. We have a man

whose interview we have on the audio

tape named Bill Holden who was the chief

steward for Air Force One when Kennedy

was flying over to Berlin where he gave

the famous I am a Berliner speech. And I

I debriefed this man and on that flight

he brought there were some papers and on

one of the papers there had been a big

UFO sighting uh that was on and and uh

so he brought this up to the President

Kennedy and Kennedy said and the man

broke in the tears when he said this.

Kennedy turned to him and says, "I know

this is true and I know these are real,

but the whole matter is out of my hands

and I don't know why." He admitted he

had no control over the issue. Wow.

Which is why he fired Dulles because

Eisenhower had lost control in the late

50s. That extended into the Kennedy era.

And really no president except people

who have been part of that organization

like George HW Bush, Dick Cheney by

extension W have really had any control

over it and or any detailed knowledge of

it. The current president has virtually

no knowledge. It's fascinating and and

uh so President Clinton, you know, his

his his friend of his, Webster Hubble,

who was in the Department of Justice,

wrote a book um forget the name of the

book. Um, and in it he admits that he

and the president were trying to get to

the bottom of a couple things. One of

them was who killed Jack Kennedy and why

and what's going on with UFOs. Of

course, they're related. And then

something about Marilyn Monroe. And of

course, I have a CIA document that's top

secret, not been

declassified. Um, that describes James

Jesus Engleton signed it. Wow. That's a

basic It's in the briefing document.

It's a wire tap of Marilyn Monroe in '

62, a couple days before they killed

her, threatening to hold a press

conference. And that's a real document.

Oh, it is. That's insane. Yeah. Oh, it's

real. I know the guy who took it out of

the vault from NSA. He's an NSA guy. I

got folks who now people say, "Why

aren't you arrested?" I said because

once we briefed all these

people like at the level of the

president and senate oversight

committees and we concluded Mhm. that

these programs were being run illegally

outside the constitution. We declared

them all illegal. Therefore, anyone

listening, if you're in those operations

or have been, they cannot prosecute you

for going around your non-disclosure

agreements. If you bring out documents,

tapes, material, they're open source and

I will release them because all that

material and I've told Jake this are

being have been accumulated under an

illegal operation abusing the National

Security Act and National Security

Provisions when they are in fact have no

protections. So we need to flip the

table here. Instead of these

whistleblowers being prosecuted or

people being killed for trying to get

the truth out, we flip it around where

US law enforcement operating legally

under the Constitution go after the bad

actors. Right? So that's this is where

it's going to have to go and I think it

needs to be non-kinetic, not violent,

but it needs to be done by any means

necessary. But if this is the

foundation, I want to unpack this a

little bit. the foundation of disclosure

project. So not in this book but in our

archive is what's called a UNOD unless

otherwise directed. It's a military

technique used that you write to a a

senior person and it says unless

otherwise directed this is my assessment

and this is what I'm going to do.

they don't have to write back because

then there's no there's no there's

plausible deniability to a sync a

commander-in-chief or you know a

fourstar or something and it's used and

so my military advisor said you know

what we need to do this is by 90 late

97 and after the debacle with Admiral

Wilson and finding out we had one data

point after another after another that

this was an illegal unsanctioned rogue

criminal organization

at that point I said, "Well, we need to

declare it as such and therefore we need

to visiate everyone's non-disclosure

agreements so they can come forward."

That's what we did. So that is 1997. I

put a I think a two or three month clock

on it. So I said, "Unless we're notified

otherwise, our assessment is that these

programs are illegal, corrupt, and

unconstitutional based on the following

facts. The president has been denied

access. The CI director was denied

access. The head of intelligence, joint

chiefs of staff, and other senior flag

officers have been denied access. Senior

members of the Senate and House

oversight relevant committees have been

denied access because by then I had met

with all that personally. This is not

internet, Google crap, conspiracy theory

stuff. So at that point, of course, it

flipped my whole world upside down as a

doctor, but I said, "No, at this point,

we're declaring these illegal." And so

if you're someone at Lockheed, Northrup,

Rathon, CIA, DoD, NSA, the whole

alphabet soup, FBI, and you know about

this, you want to come forward, they

can't touch you. M. Now, the good news

now there's a law enforcement entity

that is going to extend immunity to them

and will protect them. So, we have that

in place right now. So, anyone

listening, contact me. We will keep your

name. Look, 80% of everyone's ever come

to me. They're in our archive blackened

out and redacted, right? For a reason.

Because I don't disclose someone's name

unless they say I'm willing to come

forward. like Michael Herrera willing to

come forward. So he did. Mhm. He's the

only person I ever have met who saw

something like that who lived to tell

the tale. It's unbelievable that Carrera

wasn't killed. It's an an amazing story

and a true one. We've had three separate

senior intel and military people confirm

that. So for for the audience, this guy

was uh part of Operation Katana and he

was supposed to go to the Philippines.

His unit was diverted. This Marine Corps

unit was diverted, put put in Indonesia.

They see this eightgon gun octagon uh

Vantablack craft hovering above the

treetops. They're closed in on by these

seemingly S1 special forces. They don't

know if it's special forces, but

nondescript uh uh guys who are very

smooth with their guns and they have

bioscanners and all this kind of, you

know, high-tech. Yep. And um he later

learns from Jake Barber that this was

maybe a human trafficking operation.

Yeah. And that uh they were putting

these psionic assets, these people who

were meant to be shipped back to the US

psionic assets. In other words, they

were people who had been identified with

the uh predisposition

to have those psionic abilities. And

those were being created up and moved

back to some covert places where they'd

be screened, tested. If they passed a

certain level, then they would go

through a rigorous training program.

Most of them end up in comas or die, by

the way. But the ones that survive are

very good at what they're doing. But

they're basically human tools for this

these really evil covert programs to

essentially hack into these uh non-human

craft communication systems that are

interfacing with thought and

consciousness. Do you think there it's

like a super high-end version of

Neuralink and move them over into range

and hit them with an electromagnetic

pulse weapon? There are rumors that like

the the show on Netflix, Stranger

Things, is like real and that Oh, of

course. I've talked about all that stuff

for years.

Montalk and gifted and talented

education programs that I recently met

with a pretty senior person in uh

government who I'll anonymize because I

don't think he wants to be on record on

this but he mentioned um a link between

Battel Memorial Institute and these

gifted and talented education system and

the cabal running these UFO programs

which is that is that is one of the

people one of the in institutes on our

list of Yeah. and they manage all the

nuclear sites all over the US. And so if

they're uh and what's interesting is you

often hear stories of people making it

past checkpoints in these gifted and

talented education programs where you

prove that you have you know some mind

matter capabilities and then you get to

the next thing and then they'll show you

a piece of material and who would have

the material would be battel memorial

institute. So I amongst others. I mean

look there are many there's a whole

military-industrial complex component to

this right. Yeah. There institutes there

all kinds of foundations there you know

it it sort of is is it's it's like a

metastatic cancer that's gone because

look they have a lot of money to spread

around. Yeah. You know, I I met with a

man in 1997 before

uh I was over at the meeting with the CI

director in DC who said, "We have given

at least 10,000 people $10 million each

or more to secure their cooperation with

what we're doing." Now, that was that

was 28 years ago. So, and I know he said

at least. So, I said, "Yeah, I'm sure."

So, you know, what's your price? And if

you have the ability to either be

troublesome to them, you're either

going, it's like uh Gordon

uh that guy who used to publish

uh Flying Saucer magazine. Gordon

Cooper. No, not Gordon Cooper. Kiteon.

Uh oh, Gordon Katon. Yeah. Yeah. He I

interviewed him. He's one of our

witnesses cuz he had been military

intelligence and he published this and

you know all that used to go over to the

palace and um Prince Philip was very

keen on on all of this. I've heard that.

Oh, I know for a fact. Yeah. And so

because I know that the people involved

so he said um if you become too

worrisome as you see this interview is

in our archive there's certain people

who they will erase or do whatever.

So, you know, I think people kind of way

underestimate the reach of this

organization and to extent it has

operative embedded. But of course, the

grand conspiracy theories are false.

Also, Bohemian Grove, you know what,

maybe two of those guys know anything

about this. Trilateral Commission, maybe

two or three do, I think. So, I think

that one of the problems with these

conspiracy theories is that they're not

nuanced and they're all pretty dumb from

the point of view is you can't keep

something like this this secret with a

huge number of people knowing. The

number of people read in or read on to

anything like this in any detail is

going to be very very tightly

controlled. But those assets well

trained, well compensated, wellplaced,

and

so look, I mean, you know, and and they

don't mind killing one of their own.

Yeah. You know, when Bill KBY, who had

been read into this, tried to get a zero

point device to us and about just a

small amount, like $50 million in seed

money in 95. I think the the week he was

going to meet with a member of my board,

they found him floating down the the

river south of DC made to look like a

canoeing accident and his wife knew that

he had been killed. Do you know the Stan

Meyer story? I think you talk about it

in your movie The Lost Century. Uh just

like a car that like ran on water and

like he did. Is is that so was he taken?

He died of an aneurysm and do do you

think he act is that real or his twin

brother who we've met with and who is

really the electronics guy behind all

that Stan Meyer's twin Steve

um absolutely is convinced he was

poisoned and killed and you think that

that well we have 150 substances that

can kill people or poison them you know

so what about pawns fleshman the you

know they fusion yeah cold fusion

exactly I never met them. I certainly

they were on to something and I know

people who did much more souped up

versions of that. All those devices have

ended up being confiscated or the people

erased. Um the guys who bought Stan

Meyer's archive and all his devices. Um

we were trying to get it but we didn't

have the funding. It went to an

engineering group uh up in Michigan and

uh there was a a

man who I didn't know what the m who the

money was behind that. Mhm. So my

science advisor Dr. Loader went and saw

this warehouse full of floppy disc and

devices, but he had one thing of great

interest. We have a picture of it. It's

in our archive,

dpiarchchive.com. And it looks like a

sort of a tooidal electromagnetic. It

had a a magnetically charged fluid in it

and it was a complete free energy

system. So it had a national security

order slapped on it way back but it was

sitting there to acquire and we were

going to try to get it and then open

source it because you know memo to Peter

Teal and everyone else. If you try to

patent this or or or release it in the

normal, let's just say traditional

venture capital way, it'll never get out

ever. You have to dump it open source

off blockchain to a two three billion

people all at once. That's my belief. I

mean, like, well, there's no way. We

know. I mean, this is the whole point of

the law century was to prove I meet with

these kind of geniuses. I just met Yeah.

Yeah. with a Fortune10 company senior

scientist a couple weeks ago. Uhhuh. And

he came to LA to meet with me. Uhhuh. I

was on there's a podcast, Sweetest Lady

EverHu named uh Kloe Kardashian. He was

so she's so sweet. And she just released

yesterday a podcast I did with her. But

she she was so much fun. So sweet. Yeah.

She loves your work. Yeah. I had never

met her. Um she's very very kind and

beautiful person really smart I thought

very smart but she um uh so I was out

there this guy flies in super genius he

can build uh over free energy plasma

things he can do teleportation but the

major corporation he works for aim do it

so he wants to work with us bring it out

and he he I I said look

don't try to do it through patent you

have to open source it. But if you open

source it and you have a reach of a few

hundred thousand people, no one cares.

So I have a network of various

influencers and celebrities and can get

it to two, three billion people all at

once. In which case, you squeeze the

toothpaste out of the tube so hard can't

put it back in. So these fascists that

want to keep us dependent on earth

destroying energy systems forever, you

just say adios. Now what I he has the

ability to build things that teleport

and levitate. I said nope don't touch

those. So so where I think that people

in the administration I've spoken to are

are mirroring that what I'm saying about

to tell you and that is this needs to

get disclosed. We need to do it in a way

where there's a pathway for the people

involved to come clean but not be

imprisoned and not be executed. Mhm.

Because an eye for an eye will leave the

whole world blind. Mhm. Now, if you go

back to

93,45, you'll see what I wrote to the

Clinton administration. It was the same

set of recommendations. Hardcore people

in disclosure say, "Oh, we should round

them up and Nuremberg." I said, "No,

these guys are holding technologies that

are to trump card against everything the

Pentagon has." Yeah. And plenty of them

are just taking orders under threats of,

you know, their families lives. Yes. I

mean, we have to have compassion for

that. But even the worst of the actors

Mhm. they either need to come forward or

put on a leash, right? And sto stood

down. Now, to do that, you're going to

have to have a group of people who are

special forces trained. And that's the

other part of this we can talk about

carefully. Interesting. So, is there

there's a plan maybe to do that? Oh. Oh,

yes. It's already been in place for

about a year and a half, two years that

we So, what does that does that involve

storming Area 51 and Dougway and the

right pad or what what does this involve

literally? Wow. Okay. Well, they either

capitulate to the legal government of

the United States. Yeah. Or they're

declared treasonous operations and then

they're put under proper authority and

oversight. Don't they have the secret

weapons that can like aren't aren't we

unmatched? That's the reason. So, let me

finish the story with Admiral Wilson. We

keep getting diverted. So, at the very

end of the meeting, yeah, he said to me,

he's I asked him, "Can you help?" He

says, "Well, I he

is a B2 stealth bomber that I know

about." Mhm. And you're and I have

learned, he didn't say not what from me,

but what I've learned directly is that

there's an organization that have things

that can do circles, the man-made UFOs,

ARVs around my B2 still. So he says, "So

it's checkmate. It's point set match.

It's over." I said, "No, sir. We cannot.

It is David. The entire United States

legal United States of America

constitutional government is the David

and this organization is the Goliath.

You remember that? Which is why so many

presidents and so many senators and so

many military guys I've met with, they

get to the edge of this precipice and

they go, "God, mother of God," and they

back off. I wonder, but there's a way

around it. Okay.

So, where the Achilles heel of that

organization

is is that their numbers are very

thin. the subject's coming out and they

know the public opinion is going to go

against

them and then the and because their

numbers are

thin they they can be overwhelmed in a

tactical operation. The other thing is

their opsects are very good operational

security but they cannot withstand the

full force of a serious quote

investigation and operation tactical

operation. Now what they do have is

technological superiority and that can

be visiated through some technologies I

don't want to talk about where basically

you can go in and

neutralize. It's fire against fire. But

I'll just tell you, you can go in and

neutralize the facility without a bomb.

And it deal again it deals with

electromagnetic systems that are

advanced scalar systems. And you know

there's a a scientist who talked at our

2023

uh conference right before the national

press club event we did where Herrera

spoke and u he was a senior GE uh

physicist and scientist who specializes

in scalar So look, we have assets where

I could say, "All right, go in, you

know, so you could just, you know, their

man-made UFOs and all their other stuff

can neutralize it." That's all I'm going

to say. But I'm just saying that you

have to have an executive order from the

president to provide the protections to

these high value whistleblowers. You

need personal security. You need to

authorize uh a law enforcement operation

both KONOS and OKONOS United States and

outside continental United States it's

OKONUS

which can be done and then you need to

fund it. It'd be, you know, classified

funding. And then you also need to have

a pathway for when you acquire all this

material out of Doug Way and the Edwards

complex and Lockheed Skunk Works

underground and Northrup's underground

and Rathons. What do you do with it? And

are we're recommending the stuff that

flies is kept secret in terms of it

being it has to be acknowledged. We have

it. We all know we have thermonuclear

weapons, but you can't go to Ace

Hardware store and buy one. So, it it

has to get acknowledged properly, but we

just say right now the world is too

unstable to let every 10p dictator or

terrorist in the world have something

that can go from Mogadishu to DC in 3

minutes and drop a dirty bomb. Right?

There are valid national security

concerns about some of these

technologies and the world is not at

that place. The world is at the place

where something that could sit on this

table

that would run this building without

pollution.

Can we can we and there there what

happens then? The the Malthian problem

gets fixed. Malthusian Malthusian the

Malthusian problem gets fixed because

you have something where you're going to

eliminate in about 20 years global

poverty. Much of terrorism and

radicalization is the have and have not

problem. And because we're so

narcissistic and self turned inward

looking in America, we don't realize

three billion people on the planet don't

even have

energy to cook their food. It's why

they're chopping down the rainforest or

chopping down the brush in the de and

the deserts keep growing because it's

like a pack locusts that are just

ripping everything out. But it's because

of the severe mind-numbing inhumane

uh I tell Christians uncchristian

poverty that we've improve imposed. But

that's based on the energy system.

You're never going to fix it with wind

and solar ever or with a plug-in

electric car. It's never going to get

fixed. Now these new technologies will

fix that. It'll fix the biosphere, fix

pollution, end poverty, stabilize

geopolitically. Now they're going to be

losers.

hundreds of trillions of dollars in

assets and commodities. But again, it

isn't going to happen like this. It's

not like downloading an app. These are

heavy industries. It's going to take at

least 15 to 20, 30 years to transition

from our current cars and electric grid

to what I'm talking about. And I don't

know that we have 30 years. So, we need

to get going. So my point to people is

that in in the administration and I had

this little debate with Patrick David on

his show is that this you know taking

decades to do this could have been done

in the 20s30s 40s. This is

2025. We have 8 billion people on the

planet living like we're like in the

1800s energy wise. Oil, gas, coal, blah

blah blah. Wind. The Dutch had that ages

ago. Okay. So we have a little bit of

extra nuclear

1940s. So are you telling me the whole

world has to run on stuff that's 80 to

120 years old? This is ridiculous. But

it benefits a very very tiny oligarch

ruling group of people on the planet.

Energy banking petro dollar very I mean

we're not again we're not talking about

a few hundred billion. We're talking

about several hundred trillion dollars.

But if we're destroying the biosphere

and and what their solution is, well,

let's just keep diverting people with

shiny little problems in

9/11.

Aliens that are scary. See, that's the

next big thing. This is what Vernon,

this is why when people spread that kind

of nonsense, I am going to go after them

like a goddamn Rottweiler because that

is how we end up in World War II. That's

how we end up in a totalitarian

militaristic superstate. The opposite of

the golden age, the opposite of a age of

enlightenment, the opposite of a

sustainable world, that's the end of the

world as we know it. And I tell people,

even if there are some ETs that are

really are ETSs and not from another

dimension or a man-made

diversion that are

troublesome, you think you're going to

win that war down the barrel of a gun?

No. You're going to do C5 contact. Go

get the app. Anyone can get it. It

works. William Shatner has it and did it

and went up in space. So, go get it, you

know.

Barber and others will tell you it abs

that concept absolutely works because

what we have to do is figure out if

we're having any kind of

conflict is it always going to get

solved through a kinetic

war. Well, that's the end of the world

because you're not dealing with

thermonuclear weapons. You're dealing

with weapons that would make a hydrogen

bomb look like a tinker toy. M so when

you start getting into technologies that

can affect spacetime where you could

dissociate the basically the material of

an entire planet poof. No, you don't go

there. So this is a ser see for most

people they look at too much science

fiction and Hollywood crap and way too

much ufology where it mixes in all these

rubbish and false narratives and myths

with the truth. But if you think about

this as a thinking per a really serious

person, even if there was a civilization

or one or two, that might be pro

troublesome. And I don't think there's

any evidence there is, but I'm just you

can't prove a negative. So let's be

devil's advocate. No, I'll be the

advocate of what 99% of my colleagues

say. There are these worrisome aliens

that we have to fight.

And where are you going to fix that? How

are you going to fix that? Through a

war? through conflict. Well, it would

last about 0.1

nanoseconds. No, this is stupid. That is

a suicide mission. So, if we're going to

be serious about this, then we have to

think, well, even if that were the case,

and I don't think it is at all. Neither

does Jake because every here's the

thing, too. every man, and they've all

been men so far, who have been

operational on those retrieval teams

that I've been meeting with back all the

way to the early

90s, not a single one of them when they

encountered a living

one said they were anything but very

peaceful and very enlightened and and

very kind, but very concerned about

humanity and what we're doing to the

earth and to ourselves and potentially

to them. Because remember now here's

let's cut this to the bottom line here.

The reason we're running out of time is

that the technology curve from the 40s

to now has gone like that. So right now

and and and and Jake will admit this.

The nonhuman ET craft and the really

advanced ones from Rathon and some of

the other companies are virtually

indistinguishable. But that also means

the technology that can be weaponized is

at that level which means humans, this

corrupt organization not under the

control of the president, the Congress

and the

Pentagon is becoming a threat to other

worlds. This is where we cross a red

line. And I've known about it for 30

years. And I'm telling people, we are

right there. We're right at that point.

and that you do not want to cross that

red line to a point where there has to

be an intervention from out there,

right? But I think there are people in

this crazy corrupt

organization, this transnational corrupt

organization that runs this and a bunch

of other stuff who would like to see

that because I learned this in 94 from

the crown prince of Likenstein, Hans

Autumn. He seems super into this topic.

He's popped up a few times, didn't he?

take all the Roswell witnesses and and

fly them out to Europe and meet with

them. And so you've met him, too. And

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I spent a whole

afternoon with him and he's very No,

he's part of the organization. He is.

Oh, he was Opus Day. He funded funds

Opus Day, a really far right-wing group

at the Vatican. And I spent a lot of

time with him. But so you like him. You

find him of pure intention or No, no.

His intention. I was going to tell you

this. Listen. Uhhuh.

So this long meeting was very

disturbing. Uhhuh. And it was at the

Pierre Four Seasons in New York there,

but on Fifth Avenue across from Central

Park. And um we had a suite. Uh we had

wanted to meet for a while and I

couldn't deconlict my schedule as an

emergency doctor and his schedule. We

finally got together in New York because

he was coming to visit Lawrence

Rockefeller. Mhm. And so we had this

long meeting and he told me, he says,

"The reason I'm funding Bud Hopkins and

even back then uh John Mack and some

other people is that and um David Jacobs

Mhm. is that he had the threat

narrative, David Jacobs, is that we want

the public to hate the aliens so bad

that we can have an interplanetary war

so that we'll have Armageddon. So Christ

will return. I'm quoting. That's that

agenda. So it's an

esquetological esquetology is a study

how the world ends. So from that point

view this instead of having a future a

new world if you can take it as the ET

said the Colonel Corso that story it's

great. A new world that we could go

forward for hundreds of thousands of

years as an event that's in the world so

Christ will come back the Messiah. So

there's a

weird part of this organization that's

corrupt that has this firm belief that

we have to provoke an interplanetary

conflict and that's how the world comes

to an end and that's how Christ comes

back. Now when I heard this I just

listened and I was of course horrified

and stoaltified. I went, "What the

fuck?" You know, WTF and I didn't say

it, but I just wanted to hear where, you

know, where are you really coming from

in the organization you're part of?

Because he was part of that. Oh, sure.

So, he wanted to speed up the end of the

world so Christ could re which is why he

was funding all the abduction groups and

researchers. You know, I've heard he was

funding them because those were the

frontline people. So, a lot of those

were innocent people. They would have

someone who a CIA special operations

team or some other group that had one of

these man-made flying saucers or discs

would abduct someone. That case would

then be channeled through a couple

cutouts to David Jacobs or Bud Hopkins

or John Mack. Now, they didn't know that

I was debriefing people who were the

ones operating the abduction program

that was human. Same thing with cattle

mutilations. Linda Moon thinks those are

aliens. No, we're doing that. So, we're

there's all this talk now of

disclosures. You have, uh, disclosures

around the JFK assassination. People

want the 911 records. They want, you

know, all these things. They want

Epstein stuff. And so, uh, you know,

excuse me, do you think we get any

progress on UFOs? And then maybe even

the the better question because UFOs are

such, you know, it's so complicated.

It's this gangly octopus. It's so hard

to kind of find where the the bodies are

buried, so to speak. Um, no, it's not.

Well, well, yeah, maybe not. So, you

think it is? It's easy. Well, but what I

was going to say, here's what we're

doing. The actual intelligence Yeah.

that they need that that like Mr. Grush

was provided some of. Yeah. That could

lead to hitting pay dirt. Yeah. We have

a huge amount of it. other people I'm

working with who are who have been

former or current special forces have a

lot of it that can be provided

to the operation I'm talking about

that's being looked at but that needs an

executive order from the pre this is the

one pager for the president is that

going to happen do you think he's going

to listen and and sign an executive

order his son seems very into the issue

oh Don Jr. I spoke with him briefly.

Yeah. No, they're very interested.

Unfortunately, Don Jr. got gas lit about

a lot of this by Alzando with false

information. Joe Rogan has totally been

misled. Your episode with Rogan got

deleted or something. Well, he in order

to get his money from Spotify, they had

to take it out. Really? Oh, force. And

it's like when Sean Ryan had on me show

in Herrera. Shortly after that, he got

threatened. I'm I can't be on that show

anymore. Really? Am I Am I going to get

[ __ ] with? No. Well, I mean, you don't

have the numbers. If you had 20 million

people,

maybe I guess that's good. Or the

question is, what dirt do they have on

you? No, I think I'm pretty straight up.

So, if you don't care about being bought

off with money, I'm assuming you have

some assets. Yeah. Doing all right. And

yeah. So, so if you're if you're not

corruptible with money and and if you're

not somebody who's going to try to jump

the shark by getting on the inside for

the technologies is what happened. That

was Bigalow's Achilles Hill Bob Robert

Bigalow and you're not af, you know,

afraid. Mhm. Uh and you don't have

something they could blackmail you with.

You know, do you think Bob Bigalow has a

warehouse with UFOs in um in Vegas? No.

You don't? No. I can tell you that

Colonel Alexander, who was his

concigliad,

that was all set up so that the $22

million that Harry Reid helped get to

Bigalow Aerospace to research this would

be you. B here's what that operation

was. Send the money to that. Bigalow

didn't know this. He really did. He was

innocent. It was Alexander who did all

the gaslighting. Send the money to

there. They get the money. The Pentagon

thinks they're going to get a serious

research effort. you might as well have

opened the toilet lid, flushed $22

million down to the to the sewer because

that was a setup. And I spoke to uh

General Bob Herbert who was had left the

military and was right hand to Senator

Reid about this a few years ago during

COVID and another senior operative who

worked with him and they said to me, "We

didn't get anything of any value out of

all those millions of dollars." I said,

"No, because the person who is actually

directing that operation is someone who

has been key to covering this up for

decades as part of this rat pack of guys

named Colonel Alexander, who by the way

is the Conciglaria mentor for one Lou

Alzando."

Okay? So, look, you know, I'm not going

to mince words with you. I know you've

gotten all submerged in this stuff and

it's all mixed up in your brain, but I'm

trying to give a little clarity. I know

I'm a very people hate that I'm so

direct about this, but you know, I'm the

kind of I tell people if you have a

brain tumor, I'm not going to tell you

have a migraine, right? I'm going to

say, "Hey, bro, I'm sorry. You got a you

got a brain tumor. It's got to come

out." But that's just how I run. I'm a

very direct person. Yeah. But the the

the so so that operation really was sad

because and I really think um what

Bigalow wanted to do and I remember

meeting with him privately after the

Rockefeller

uh meeting is that he wanted to get on

the inside of the tech and what was

really going on with the intelligence

community because you know he was a a

Las Vegas billionaire. He was a he was

an heir to a real estate fortune in

Vegas. Budget suites, right, with and

all that. Yeah. So, he had the money, so

he didn't need the money, but he wanted

the access. So, they find what your soft

spot is. You know, where's your soft

underbelly? Some people, they just want

to get rich. Some people, they just want

to get in a position of power. Some

people, if they're already rich and

powerful, they want to get on the inside

of this big secret. So, that's how they

got their hooks in him. I warned him of

that. Same thing with Joe Fermage that

got pulled in and was this was this tech

entrepreneur who got into anti-gravity.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he got totally gas

lit and pulled into an operation. It

ruined his life and then he got put in

prison for something. And I warned him

this is going to be an op. You're going

to spend your money and all this time

because he took the same bait. He was

wealthy. And I met with him at the Mars

Cafe in South of Market in San Francisco

way back in the 90s. And I warned I

said, "Joe, you're gonna you're a mark

for these guys." And sure enough, that

same group of people intercepted him.

Peter Thiel was almost intercepted by

some of these people really for energy

technology stuff. Yeah. With how put off

and some others. Peter. Yeah. Like the

guy the guy that I've worked with. Yeah.

They were going to get 150 million of

his that would be flushed down the

toilet. How put off? No, I don't think

so. Yes, sir. Not I was I got a heads up

from the the senior most CIA guy and I

back channel that information to Eric

Weinstein. Yeah, but we I've met with I

because I'm open about this. I've

brought Howal into the office, but it

didn't nothing ended up happening.

So, he's he's they're putting him out,

you know, look, he's up in his what 80s,

I guess, now. Yeah. It's like a lot of

these guys, they have to find a a

replacement, but no, he was an operative

that was uh uh you know, I look I

probably his closest friend ever is on

my team and I know the whole backstory.

Same thing with Jacqu Valet. Great guy,

brilliant guy, but at some point he got

too far involved with that same cabal of

people and got corrupted. And this is

why, you know, in our um uh documentary,

we talk about the uh document that he

admits to having. It's in his 1992 book

that Jacqu Fallet wrote. I forget the

name of it. Um and there's an entry

where he talks about having a 1985

and that was when he was really got

involved with the Colonel Alexander

types and stubble types, the advanced

theoretical physics working group. No,

just let me finish.

The document is a description of CIA

operations in Argentina and Brazil

to abduct

peasants so that they think they're

being abducted by aliens for its quote,

I'm quoting psychological warfare value.

Now, we've asked Jacqu Fole to release

that document. He got very agitated of

against my research producers and said

no way because I think he knows that

that's so that is the core of the cover

up is the false convincing of the public

of an alien threat. But this is a black

and white CI document Jacqu Valet has

and I know a couple other people have it

but they've been threatened that

outlines that operation. So these

abduction programs have operated not

just US but also overseas for decades.

Remember that's a 40 year old document

85. And those programs were started well

before then. Well, I will say Charles

Douglas Jackson who ran psychological

warfare for the country and was uh

operated in the psychological strategy

board under Gordon Gray. Uh uh he showed

up uh at Betty and Barney Hills house

two weeks after they encountered what

they encountered. So I've always found

that to be kind of interesting. And then

he went on to work for Life and Time

magazine and he was responsible for

putting out this Zapruder film of JFK

getting shot with missing frames, right?

So maybe there's something kind of weird

there. I don't know. Well, I'm telling

you there is. I mean, this is this is

the part of this there's I call it the

myth the myth in the briefing document

for the president. I I take out some of

the names that I know are the operatives

doing it, but I have on it's a one

sheeter. On one side is the myth and the

other is the truth. Mhm. And who are the

purveyors of the myth and what is the

actual facts of it? Yeah. And unpacking

it is a very arduous complicated and I

I'll admit I didn't know what I'm just

telling you back in 1990 94. It came

from being pulled in by people who

wanted me to know the truth. Who are

these deep throats that some of these

800 people have debriefed? But there are

documents that would prove this like

jockey has that document. The law

enforcement and and the the president

should say subpoena that. Do you think

Nixon was taken out over this issue with

Watergate? Because you saw Deepth

Throat, the real Deepth Throat was a guy

named Mark Felt who's a deputy director

of the FBI. Correct. In his biography,

he talks about Nixon being shown covert

technology. And then there's this famous

story of Nixon showing up at Jackie

Gleason's place in 1973 and telling him,

"We have secret UFO technology, taking

him to Homestead Air Force Base." Yeah.

And then Jackie Gleason gets obsessed

with UFOs. His house becomes shaped like

a UFO. So is that story? Is that all

true? And 100% true. But it goes back

further. M so let's explain how national

security in in the 50s maybe from the

50s on the chairman of the what's called

the space council for the United States

government is the vice president

traditionally now they have a

professional director but the vice

president is chairman so Nixon was

chairman of space council during

Eisenhower he was part of the team that

betrayed Eisenhower along

these others. So they circled their

wagons and their limousines and pushed

Eisenhower further out of the picture,

the 5412 committee. So this would they

were very upset. I mean obviously so

Nixon of course lost the election with

Jack Kennedy. Mhm. And then he won in '

68. So when he was going to be in his

second term, he was going to be the

person he thought would disclose all

this and start bringing it forward. But

the organization that's way more

powerful than the presidency said, "Oh,

no you're not." Oh, yes I am. Oh, no

you're not. So Watergate did happen. But

I mean there's that kind of black bag

stuff happens all the time in politics.

I mean it's not I'm not excusing it.

It's just it's a dirty business, a

filthy business. So what happened is

that there was a young reporter named

Bob Woodard. Mhm. who was actually naval

intelligence in Pentagon. He was not a

journalist. He got moved over to the

Washington Post. Happened to have this

whistleblower

who then guess you know you know the

cover was let's expose the corruption

that Nixon did which he did

but it was really to remove him because

he was hellbent on bringing this stuff

out. So a similar thing of course

happened to Bill Clinton. The whole

Monica Lewinsky thing, Linda Trip was a

army intelligence NSA person was put

right beside Monica Lewinsky at a

cubicle to get through social

engineering befriending her the

information about that affair. Wow. And

then it was set up because when he was

asked about it, Clinton lied about it

under oath which it led to his

impeachment. That was also and so when

Hillary said I'm and I'm not excusing

any kind of behavior. I'm not trying to

But I'm just telling you this is how it

is done. All right? So they can either

kill you, they can threaten you, they

can do all kinds of stuff, or they can

set up something like that because very

few people get at that level of national

politics that are squeaky clean

and and they're going to know that and

they can use it against you. So this is

where people talk about welfare and all

the stuff going on. It's been done for

decades. I mean, let's face it, Nixon

weaponized the IRS and the DOJ long

before the people in the Trump circle

started talking about lawfare. That's a

proven thing. Do you think there's any

connection? And Nixon was a Republican.

Yeah. Right. So, I mean, you know, this

kind of dirty trick stuff's been going

on since forever. Speaking of dirty

tricks stuff, is there any connection

between Jeffrey Epstein and UFOs? I have

no idea. And I I actually the salacious

stuff related to that it's like oh my

god. Um I'm not excusing any kind of

underage whatever but you know I think

that that was probably a op to try to

pull in certain people and then have a

blackmail file on them. Mhm. Yeah. Seems

like it. when I'm speaking with some

absolute knowledge about it because

there's a very senior person in the

national security

apparatus who is was part of that who's

being kept on a short leash because they

have a a blackmail file on it. Wow. And

so that's how it's done. So, you know, I

could do a whole 5h hour podcast with

you about the techniques of counter

intelligence and disinformation on this

and the kind of dirty tricks run on

people. And if they can't get something

real, they'll make it up because with AI

and deep fakes. Yeah. I mean, they can

show the everyone in this room have an

orgy together. Right. Right. They can

take my voice and make me say anything.

They can create any docs they want.

It'll look absolutely authentic. In

fact, I just had that happen last week.

My iPhone was hacked into and all kinds

of stuff. I was threatened. Oh no. Oh,

this hap this has been happening since

91. Do you think that do aren't isn't

Tesla's stuff still classified by the

US? And then I know Towns and Browns is

classified by the Navy. So we're talking

about class classifiations of all these

other things and and declassifications

of all these other things. What about

the science? Can like fundamental

science shouldn't be classified. Can we

get Tesla's work open? Here here's the

problem. All of the everything that

doesn't fly or teleport

should and could be decl I mean a lot of

it be medical. I mean I've seen some

technologies at a underground lab on the

Mexican American border really El Paso

that you could regrow a limb. You could

a severed spinal cord could be

corrected. Are you serious? Yes. But

that's not being widely distributed. No.

Because the physics behind do you I

don't know if you have a physics

background the physics behind that

scalar no transdimensional physics would

be able to also quickly to any scientist

be converted to oh I can generate energy

from that all right so and if you and

the energy sector that runs the planet

where everyone's dependent on this line

of super tankers and power plants and

all of that the whole Brettton Woods

with the petro dollar the dollar being

the reserve currency because of

petroleum basically a Ramco in Saudi

Arabia was basically set up by the CIA.

So all of that integrated

macroeconomic issue is really one of the

core reasons for the secrecy. And so any

technology that would open that door

they don't want out because it threatens

the current order. Yeah. And when I

explained this to um the honorable Paul

Hillier who had been minister of

defense, I was one of the reasons why he

came out publicly. We did a press

conference together in Toronto. His um

before he contacted me, he contacted a

four-star general in the United States

because he read a book called The Day

After Roswell by Philip Corso. And

um then he realized this four-star

general he said, "Is this true?" He

says, "Oh yeah, that and more." that

general had been read on to it. And so

he called me up and we met and I spent a

lot of time at his place in Toronto. Um

and I explained to him the whole

macroeconomic order, how it runs, who

runs it, etc. And it turned out he was a

macroe economist. And he says, "I've

never connected UFOs and ETSs to the

science and technology part dealing with

energy." I say, "Well, bingo." That's

the heart of it right there. That and

the militarization of the relationship

between humans and non-human so that the

military-industrial complex can be this

global behemoth that keeps sucking money

out of the people and governments in

endless war. Have you heard the name Tim

Taylor ever? No, I don't know him. Um,

what about Ron Pandalfi? Have you heard

that name? Oh, sure. What do you think

of of him? Is he because that he comes

up a lot in this topic as you know

somebody interested in it and uh yeah is

he I you know look and you you bring up

names a lot I you know what uh

Elellanena Roosevelt said uh yeah she

did so you're insulting

me small minds talk about people

mediocre minds talk about events great

minds talk about ideas so you don't want

to talk about Penduli well there are a

lot of you can name a list forever yes

of course he was has been involved and

knows things and um I think he he's

another person who's uh very

knowledgeable and had been read on very

early on in his career. Mhm. And who I

think really I believe really wants a

correct outcome. Okay. Okay. So, I think

there are a lot of people that are, you

know, what one of

uh one of Jake's guys said to me. Uh,

wonderful man, brilliant named Don Paul.

I don't know if you Don Paul. Yeah, I've

heard great thing. I saw him get

interviewed and just wonderful man and

he had picked me up once in LA when I

was doing something and and he dropped

me off I I don't know Airbnb where I was

staying and and he said uh he said Dr.

Thank you for what you're doing for

those of us stuck on the other side.

and what what he meant by that we're

stuck on the in the side of these

illegally run shadowy legacy programs

but they're patriots they're good men

and women they want out but they need a

way out so that's what I'm trying to get

the president through these five

executive orders here they are one page

awesome it's put in his hands he has

this very cool is that we'll link it one

of them has to

this complete amnesty and immunity and

physical protection of these people so

they can come forward with everything

they have. Right? But you can't expect

people to do that naked, uncovered when

if they're doing so could result in

their their families being killed or

they're being imprisoned under false

pretenses. Of course. So I tell people

why what good is there having an FBI is

what I'd say to Mr. cash

uh Patel. Mhm. If it's not going to be

used against the worst criminal

enterprise within the US. Yeah. The true

deep state. Yeah. That is victimizing

patriots and heroes. Yeah. Trying to

come forward. I mean, this nonsense

needs to come to a screeching halt. And

a lot of these men and women, that's

what they're waiting for. And we got

really close to it when the Congress was

supposed to pass that bill to give them

safe harbor amnesty and protect them,

but it it was gutted by Turner, Rogers,

Pelosi, some other people. For the

skeptics out there, do you have a most

kind of visceral uh convincing piece of

evidence that you've seen in your life

where you're in possession of either a

document or a piece of material where

you're like, "This is disclosure for

me." You know, this is this is kind of

obvious. It was the weight of the

evidence and um you know, I don't have a

a dead ET body or or a craft I can haul

out. But that's what I'm hoping this

special operations team can acquire.

Well, there you go. Because we know

where they are. Do you feel like you're

being So, I know where the under, you

know, if you look at our map that's in

Let Hold that up. This is the brief.

There is a map in there that actually

has where all the key black sites are

and where all this stuff is. We'll we'll

throw it on and but it's all based

on frankly intel from all these

whistleblowers. Yeah. Well, you had deep

underground military bases are across

the US and Becktel has built a lot of

them. I think we used techniques used by

the Nazis actually after in well no

because in in our archive we have the

actual 1960s patent for a nuclearpowered

tunneling device and let me explain how

it works. It goes through bedrock and

basically turns it into glass. Whoa. And

so you have connectors

from Nellis Area 51 to Edwards go

underground. Boom. Dougway

um from the Capitol out to the mountains

in Virginia. Uh these have all been

built. Now, of course, they don't want

to disclose because it's a

nuclearpowered thing if it

malfunctioned, but it's a nuclearpowered

device that Becktail and other

corporations have used to build not only

the connectors, but the deep underground

facilities. Most people call them

stiffs, subterranean facilities. Some

people call them dumbs, deep underground

military bases. But it's a bit of a

misnomer because military would conote

the legal military. So you have the

shadow government military that Inoy

Senator Enoi talked about and you have

the conventional. Now when I was

briefing the senior investigators for

Senate Intelligence Committee when I

first started meeting with them, they

didn't know we had these facilities.

They didn't know we had man-made UFOs.

They didn't know the NRO had nutrino

light detectors on them picking up the

signature of the ET craft and knocking

them down. They didn't know and the list

goes on and on. And interestingly, the

main guy I was talking with in his

portfolio of oversight for the Senate

Intelligence Committee was the NRO, CIA,

and NSA.

Totally had no knowledge of it. M so I

tell people this is where it gets scary

for for me as a young doctor when I

discovered something this important is

being taken out of the hands of the

oversight of we the people's government

the the the government that we elect and

the people we appoint and then the

people who are in that system because

they're there are basically not

answering to the constitution the

president or the will of the people and

the congress They're answering to this

cabal of corrupt enterprises and that is

a very dangerous thing when you're

dealing with technology at this level

because and the human future and this is

where I'm fiercely def what it is. I

feel like I'm a one-man anti-defamation

league for ETSs

because everyone out there wants to have

the good ones and the bad ones where

we're going to have Star Wars and

Cowboys and Indian in space and endless

war of I'm going oh my god can you just

grow up out of that I mean this is so

first of all it's so stupid I mean it's

dumb dumb I mean it's like but it's hard

to speculate on these I mean no it isn't

we don't have great data like it's you

don't because you haven't studied my

stuff we have great data I've been

looking through it go look up this this

reference that Jocket's document from

the CIA has it black and white says

we're conducting the abductions, but

it's not just in the United States,

these operations are global. Uhhuh. So

again, you want the other thing I said,

so in the skiff, a secure compartment

information facility.

I'm in there and there's a map on the

wall and it's a normal map of the world

with all the geopolitical boundaries. I

said, "See that map?

The boundary between America and Canada?

Erase it." The boundary between Mongolia

and China erase it. The boundary between

wherever Yeah. India and ch it's gone.

Yeah. This organization moves with

elacrity

across the globe because their

technologies allow complete covert

movement, invisible movement, and they

have assets everywhere. We know that

there have been

um uh apparently a man-made UFO that

went down in Russia. We've gotten that

confirmed recently from a special

operations team. Wow. And there was one

that crashed and went down in northern

Iran that we had to try to go in and

stomp down. But you know, we have the

this is the next one that just came out.

Ouch. hurts to bend my I have these

three big puncture things in my abdomen.

So, this is Disclosure and Illustrated

History and it's a 220 30 page book um

that has, you know, all the we I wonder

where the Herrera one is. Yeah. So, they

have all these cases. Oh, here's here's

uh the tic tac. Oh, there you go. San

Diego, California, 2004. Yeah. But we

have one in there as a contrast. Uh-huh.

From 1967 in Pennsylvania in 1991 off

the Azors. Oh, here is the Rathon

triangle at uh Fort Irwin. Mhm. Wow.

That is man-made. Wow. And the guy who

saw it Uhhuh. in detail cuz he picked up

some night skits. He was told not to.

Uhhuh. Saw that there was this one and

then they were holographically

projecting several others. Wow. This

could be used in a in a false alien

invasion, you know, like a hoaxed

invasion. And then that later he and his

wife got abducted by this thing. Yeah.

And tortured. Whoa. And it was Rathon.

And everyone I would say out of a

million people proof that it was Rathon.

Oh yeah. Because he said the men who

took him there were Rathon operatives.

They took him aside, wanted to show him

this, but but not without the nightcope.

So he saw more detail than they wanted.

And for that reason it ruined his life.

Steven Dign wonderful man. Wow. And

Warner von Brown was convinced that

there would be this sort of false flag

operation because he knew when he died

in ' 74 Mhm. that was all fully

operational. You work with his

assistant, right? His last spokesperson

for his life. Carol Rosen's on our team.

Wonderful woman. Yeah. She's been trying

to get a treaty

signed that should have been signed

decades ago, keeping these weapons out

of space. Um, didn't she also tell you

though that I'll let

you that Warner von Braonn used

psychotronic weapons technology against

her or something? Use some psychotronic

technique. Wasn't against her. It was

for him to transmit to her a speech he

wanted to give to a big conference. Wow.

And he used like a mind interface. Yeah.

Neuralink sort of thing, but without the

wires. You know what Elon's working with

with Neurolink? Think of it what what

Jake's talked about with psionics. Think

of being able and this is where my

specialty came in back in after my

contact experience in 73

um I realized that these civilizations

have technologies that interface

directly with coherent thought. Mhm. So

not just any scattered thing but like if

you like in con the consciousness field

is not limited by

spaceime and which means it is

essentially

omniresent. So if you operate at a level

of understanding that and then with

thought

intend you can reach any place in

spaceime but also you can transmit

information that way and it can be

received but they're not just doing it

telepathically like like gurus they have

technology so it look like a little box

or a little uh device that can receive

directed thought can send and transmit.

So in 1991 I wrote a paper went all

through the aerospace industry and CIA

which kind of also put me on the radar

talking about technology assisted

consciousness right where that your

technology can assist you in the ability

but also consciousness assisted

technology where your thought

bioelectric field and thought can

actually turn on a computer or affect

remote places but it can be done

innately you know just through those

powers and abilities that some

telepathic and telekinetic people have,

but it can be done technologically

assisted. So that's why I call it TAC

and CAT. So that's in my first book,

Extraterrestrial Contact, the evidence

and implications, but it's from 99. You

can still get it. But I think that that

describes this and that is exactly what

they have. So interstellar

communications don't involve a

smartphone going at the speed of light.

They involve node to node quantum

entanglement. So if you know what

quantum entanglement is, every point in

space is connected to every other um in

sort of a holographic

non-locality. And so it go whether

you're an Andromeda galaxy and you're

here two and a half million lighty

years. You're not going with a, you

know, a Verizon signal at the speed of

light because it would take two and a

half million years to go one way, answer

the call, it'd be another two and a half

million years. It's going node to node

through entanglement. But there are

technologies that assist with that. But

it when you get to that level of

physics, you also get into the

telekinetic, psionic, telepathic

capabilities which can be interfaced

technologically.

So that's actually what we're doing with

C5 contact. We're not using any

technologies, but we know our friend the

visitors, they have it. So if you can

remote view them, connect to them and

then invite them. We don't summon them.

I told Jake, don't use the word summon.

You summon your butler. If you're the

king of England, you s summon your

valot. These are not your servants. It's

a dis it's a disrespectful term. We

invite them. And so we say what we're

trying to do is create a raw pole and a

contact between human and non-human for

peaceful purposes. We're not here to sum

them over and kill them. So that's the

that's the philosophy, let's say, or

ethos behind C5 contact. And you know,

there are millions of people around the

world doing that.

Amazing. That gets me the most grief.

You know, Jake and I have talked about

other people have talked about. I said,

"But it's also why the CIA and military

intelligence took us most seriously."

Yeah. Because they knew it worked. I

mean, they knew when we had this group

in '92 on a beach near Pensacola and we

had this 60 people for a weekend

demonstrating this four of these craft

just pop up right into right there. They

seem to take intense interest in people

who attract UFOs. So in you there's this

Chris Bledsoe this case in North

Carolina where Hal Pavvenmire this

longtime national and then he's been

intercepted by Jim Seivian and other

disinformation people who are

esquetologists. So do you think he

they're fanatics who want the end of the

world? You think Chris Bledo actually

saw something or Oh sure I'm likely he I

don't know him. I don't know because by

the time I learned about it he had

already been intercepted. But you think

he got inter he saw something and then

Absolutely. Absolutely. Uhhuh. Most

people are, you know, and you think

their interest, these these military

intel guys, their interest is in

esquetology is in like No, not all of

them. I mean, like I said, you know,

don't you can't be simplistic here. Some

are about macroeconomics, power,

control, military-industrial, endless

war. Others have this sort of belief

system. Yeah. that we have to have some

kind of endgame Armageddon nonsense in

order for Christ to come back or the

Messiah if you're Jewish or whatever or

the mitra for Buddhist you know all of

that is of course I think a

misinterpretation of things I don't

think it's the end of the world it's the

end of this era the opening of another a

golden age so I think if you look at

what the the so-called current cycle of

the last 400,000 years that's one cycle.

I think we're coming to the end of that

cycle and opening a cycle that will be

universal. That'll be about another

500,000 years. That'll be marked by

universal peace, not just world peace.

Uh interstellar travel, a very advanced

society here and people being liberated

financially and and by the means of

work. So their work week will come

become 10 15 hours and they'll be

pursuing the development of higher

states of consciousness and all these

other abilities that are innately within

us the human potential part. So I think

that's where we should be going. Now

there are other people when it's just a

it's like the hopy prophecy one line

goes up and the other one terminates.

The question is do we want to be on the

termination line? In which case, the

only way to go forward is for our

civilization to come out of the dust.

Mhm. Like the phoenix, out of the out of

the ruins, rise from the ashes, which

can happen. But you know, why choose

that when we can choose something else?

Yeah. So, right now, the door is open

for us to make that choice individually,

collectively. the people who are

profering false information about the

alien threat that we don't have these

technologies. If you say we don't have

them, then everything going on you can

ascribe to aliens when it's not. That's

the false flag. That's what I'm going to

go after. Because people who say that

they're lying, they're either ignorant

or they're lying. Now Elon Musk recently

said on Joe Rogan he has an all access

pass through Lockheed and Northrup and

we don't have any of these technologies.

The best technology out there is his

rocket. To be honest with you, I don't

know the gentleman.

I have no idea if he's not been readon

or if he's deliberately deceiving. What

would be your guess? I I wouldn't wager

one because I could see it either way

because of the level of people I've met

with and met with recently. He's got to

know if if in the world in which UFOs

and zero point energy, all these things

are real. He's got he's got to be the,

you know, but no, no, but here's the

problem. He doesn't have an all access

path. I was once at a meeting with uh a

chairman of SRRI and AT&T. Mhm. Do they

have compartment operations that have

dealt with

this bail labs and all that? This is

back in the

90s. And they said to

me, "We suspect there are projects in

our

companies, Stanford Research, dealing

with this, but we read on to them." So

there's a very big mistake people make.

Oh, he's the president. He's chairman of

Senate Intelligence. He's another G

general I briefed was the head of the

Defense Intelligence Agency. Mhm. Now,

for people who don't know, DIA, Defense

Intelligence Agency is the

top military intelligence organization

for the whole Pentagon and military like

CIA is for civilian. And I briefed a

three-star general, Patrick Hughes. He

had absolutely we had gotten him

briefing materials before the meeting

like I had for Admiral Wilson and these

sort of things. He had no knowledge and

when he made an inquiry he just got

brushed off. And yet I have a disclosure

project witness that worked for

DIA and with and also NRO imaging these

objects okay out in space and he was

very upset. General Hughes because I'm

in the conference room for the general

and I said look there are people on your

staff who absolutely have been read into

this and they're lying to you. How does

that work? Like just as far as there

being no clear chain of command, like

how do you have pockets of middle

management that are and then higher up,

you know, their their superiors don't

know what's going on? Cuz I I've heard

stories like that. They're huge. They're

huge organizations and the people who

are corrupt who are getting money. They

get kind of paid back door by cut.

They're cutouts. They're operatives. And

you know, I mean, there are all kinds of

knocks, nonofficial cover people. So

this is really an issue of both

corporate and American sovereignty

because it's you're sort of you have

this like backdoor funneling of money in

many cases. There's the legal black

budget of the United States, right? That

the the president and the gang of eight,

the top people in the Congress know

about. Sure. Not all the congressmen.

And I deal with those folks. But then

there's the illegal black budget. Mhm.

And I tell people, let's make it simple

for the average person. You know, if we

get build

$2 billion for a B2 stealth bomber, it's

probably costing less than 100 million

to make it. I mean, come on. Once you've

made a few of them, does B2 stand for

Biffield Brown? Do you think it's time

to brown? Well, wait, let me finish. The

rest of the money goes out the back

door. The other 1.8 8 or 1.9 Mhm.

billion out the back door into these

clandestine illegal man-made UFO

projects. Mhm. So, you know, I've been

over sites where that these objects that

are man-made come up out of the desert

up through an opening, come up into the

air, and they're 100% man-made. And I

would say that almost everyone in the

normal government, let's call it the

regular would think it was, oh my god,

it's a UAP. Well, I guess it is. It's un

it's unexplained to them. It's, you

know, it's an unknown to them. But see,

that's where it's dangerous because one

of the reasons I had the meeting with

General Hughes

was one of his

colleagues, if you look at our

disclosure witness, Merl Shane McDow,

look it up. that's in here.

He was uh working under Sync Atlantic

Command, the commander-in-chief Atlantic

Command in Norfolk and they went to a

full code zebra alert, which means the

facility shut down. You had to have

zebra stripes on your badge or you were

shot by the Marines there with M16s.

Everyone had to be cleared out. So, I've

been there. It's an underground place.

It's where World War II would be fought.

All the nuclear submarines that we have,

I've been in there. My military escort

took me in. Admiral train, Admiral Harry

Train back then. This was in the 80s. An

object came in off the coast of

Newfoundland and it was what you said

about Jack Kennedy trying to deconlict

this problem with the Soviets. We

thought it was a Soviet object or

missile. And so he picked up the red

line to the Soviet Union. This is 80s.

It wasn't theirs. Wasn't ours or that he

knew of. It came off down the coast,

ended up being on five radar stations.

We deployed an aircraft to shoot it

down. And it couldn't, but it took had

gun camera and the admiral and this

gentleman saw that footage. I don't have

it. It's somewhere.

And but the admiral was shaken to his he

had no idea what this was. We could have

gone to nuclear war over this

mishap. Think about it. the guy sitting

there in the some commander-in-chief

Atlantic command fourstar admiral not

read into this. So when I found out the

head of the Defense Intelligence Agency

wasn't read on and he's the top of that

whole system for military intelligence,

I realize this is really dangerous that

people at that level of our government

are completely unaware of this and would

could mistake a man-made UFO with an

alien one or something from another

country and trigger World War III either

on off planet or on planet. So this

information is of enormous national

security consequence, but it's never

been treated that way. See, this is the

problem. You know, it's movies, it's

podcast, it's entertainment, it's but

no, this is of the gravest level of

national security of anything I've ever

heard of and I've been around a long

time looking at a lot of spooky stuff.

So that is where this is how a country

like ours or others get they get sort of

stumble into Yeah. a war is what

happened with the Iraq and Afghanistan

wars. Yeah. So we have to be careful

here because here we're not talking

about a kinetic war with boom boom you

know bombs and cannons and the meat

grinder of Ukraine and and Russia. We're

talking about something that's very

dangerous. Yeah. Orders of magnitude

more dangerous. and it simply is not

being uh looked at and managed in a way.

Now, these executive orders, yeah, that

one I mentioned the ones about the

whistleblowers and the having a an

operation to get these uh stood down,

you know, like the facilities that have

been targeting these craft that are ET

and knocking them down, that needs to be

stood down because that could that could

lead to World War II. M um and and we

need one that requires all these

operations to fully disclose within 6

months or the people involved would be

prosecuted for treason and other crimes.

We need an executive order to authorize

an advanced diplomatic team based on C5

contact to make peaceful contact with

these non-human because there has been

no response from

humans.

Um that has been anything but denial or

violent very how ridiculous. That's why

I started this whole project 1990. It

was to to address this issue that

they're there, but how are we reaching

out to them? Nobody is. Not the United

Nations, no foreign ministry, our State

Department. It's all off because it's an

unknown subject. So that has to be done.

And we need an executive order

authorizing the review and release of

the technologies as I said, but

excluding things that could be used as a

weapon system, right? But things that

would ameliorate uh the environmental

problems and poverty on the planet and

eventually give the whole world what

this executive chairman of this big

corporation said free energy for the

whole world because you're pulling

energy out of this uh subatomic field.

Hydrogen atom is key to this by the way.

Interesting. Yeah. We're getting to the

weeds here of physics. If you were able

to separate the oxygen and hydrogen

bonds. Oh, the hydrogen atom. I'm

talking about the atom. So, what people

don't Here's the secret about Stan

Meyer's little giddy. Uhhuh. He didn't

know it at the time because they didn't

have the tools to measure it. It was an

empirical observation. I mean, it was

just observed uh in the real world. So,

empiricism is the foundation of most

science. M you know like we can observe

the effect of something like a substance

that's in fox glove the herb

digtoxin which actually is used in

medicine for congestive heart failure.

Well it was discoveredund and some years

ago we observed the effect but it was

only very recently that we knew what the

actual mechanism of action at a

molecular and physics level was of this

100-year-old medicine. Same thing with

aspirin. We knew it had these effects.

We didn't know how it worked until not

that long ago. So this man Stan Meyer

observed an effect that at certain

frequencies water would dissociate into

hydrogen and oxygen at less than the

Faraday constant. The amount of energy

needed to dissociate it. What he didn't

know which has been uh documented, we

mentioned this in our documentary, The

Lost Century. If anyone wants to look at

it, go to Tuby. It's up there for free.

And it describes that when you do the

very electrostatic high voltage system

he was using at certain frequencies, it

creates these tiny little like ball

lightning effects

that it kind of tiny little explosions

that activate and perturb stimulate that

zero point quantum vacuum field. And

that's why the energy that he was

getting out, in other words, if you just

took the energy of oxygen and water, I

mean oxygen and hydrogen that if you

separated them into the two gases and

burned it, he was getting much more

energy than that, but he didn't know

where it was coming from. That's where

it's coming from. So now we know the

physics of that. And I would like to see

if anyone's listening who's actually

venture capital, let's start a venture

capital fund to do this because I've got

the people who can do it, but we don't

have the funding. But here's a warning

to you money grubbing [ __ ] It's it's

gonna it's going to be open sourced.

Uhuh. It's gonna be like GitHub. It's

going to be put out openly to the

public. We have a mutual friend, Adam

Curry, who's super deep in a lot of

these technologies. Oh, yeah. He's a

wonderful guy. Yeah, he's great. Yeah.

Big fan of his. But someone's going to

have to actually set up a secure lab

that would be on, you know, blockchained

but open to the internet. Everything

going on is known in real time. No

secret sale back. So you're not going to

do the whole Here's the problem. People

think they're so clever. They're going

to work on this. It'll be secret. Yeah.

Until they kill you. The Stan Meyer

guys, you know who those guys who got

the Stan Meyer collection and that

Toroid, all of them but one were killed.

Wow. And before they were killed, the

Lord I won't say his name, Lord so and

so out of the United Kingdom who was

their funer called me up and said, "Dr.

Greer, we need your help." Day late and

a dollar short. They're after them. They

they figured out how these things work

and they they think they need to move

their lab from Michigan to another

country. I said, "Bro, you're going to

have to move your lab to another star

system. This organization will hunt you

down anywhere. And what they need to do

is dump everything they have through

blockchain on the internet and out to

the public. But see, they had such a,

excuse my language, they had a hard on

for getting the money and monetizing it

and p keeping it, you know, their own

little secret

thing. Next thing I So, I wrote a whole

p I don't know, a couple page thing

strategy for them. I think it's in our

archive.

It is with taking the name off of the

Lord so and so because he doesn't want

to be known publicly. But that's amazing

though. Somebody in the House of Lords

was funding this free energy. Well, I

mean, everyone's interested in this if

you've got a thinking mind and you were

concerned about the world if you care

about the world at all. But it was done

incorrectly. So, and I warned them at

the front end of it. I said, "If you do

this the way you're planning to do it,

you're dead men walking." Sure enough,

few years later, I meet with a guy in

Orange County who who knew the one

survivor of that. He says, ' And the guy

was crying like a baby. So, all the rest

were killed. I said, 'Of course. What do

you think would happen? They were

obscure, secret,

unprotected, and you don't I don't care

if you're Elon Musk, you don't have

enough money to keep yourself safe from

that crowd. How do you think you So, you

have to open source it. How do you think

you've been able to survive? Have

attempts have been made on your life,

right? Oh, sure. Yeah. And do do you

feel do you feel protected by the ETSs?

Yes, you do. Yeah. You've guided by

them? Yep. Wow. Yeah. That's

fascinating. They have a security team

and Wow, that's amazing. Like a physical

security team or it's more like sort of

ephemeral as far as how they No, it's

both. Yeah. But they I mean, look, they

can move between dimensions and Wow.

you know I put look when I died one of

the great things of having been so sick

and died this is kind of worse because

somebody

but you you if you have that kind of

experience

uh I'm not particularly religious at all

but in terms of organized religion but

spiritual yes and Jake and I have talked

about that is

that what you're afraid of what you know

if you know there if you know that your

conscious ious self continues in higher

and higher states of consciousness

forever. Why are you? So, you know, make

my day and kill me. I've seen the other

side. It's beautiful. So, I don't want

to I mean, look, I have 12 grandkids and

four daughters. I mean, I'm not going

anywhere unless it's my time. You know,

my ticket gets punched, I'm out, you

know, but um so I sort of like give it

to the great spirit, you know, and say

what happens happens. But what it means

is it liberates you from having your

life guided through fear. So remember

how controlling fear is. Fear of the

aliens, fear of of Armageddon, fear of

being tortured, fear of poverty, fear of

having your secrets exposed, fear they

these evildoers, these thugs control

through fear. Yes. But remember, fear is

the mind killer. It makes people take

leave of their intellect and their

spiritual

faculties. So that is why demagogues,

religious, political, what have you,

they're very adept at utilizing fear for

control. M that's my big concern and my

beef with most people in the UFO

subculture who put out these fearsome

dystopian views of the ETSs but also at

the same breath cover up the fact we

have the technology to stage everything

that would look ET that isn't. So, with

with that being said, if it's just at a

UFO conference with a few hundred

efficionados of this, that's one thing.

But when it gets to where someone like

that is in major media or talking to Don

Jr., this nonsense, I have a problem

with that because that has consequences.

So people need to be very careful about

that because there's a whole team of

people who are attached to senior

national security now who know that's

going on. And if if we can get a law

enforcement operation stood up, not just

investigate because we're doing that,

but to actually act, take action. Anyone

on the wrong side of this wittingly,

knowingly is going to be in a world of

trouble because you're really talking

about colluding with a treasonous group

of people who are imminent threat to

national security. So I I say that and

people say, "Are you making a threat?" I

said, "No, I'm just saying that it goes

to follow that once people at a certain

level a government realized that they've

been had and they've been deceived and

lied to, they have the mechanism to fix

it." Now, maybe it would be fixed

clandestinely. We wouldn't know about

it. Fine. But I'm saying to the public,

anyone who has actionable

intelligence needs to come forward to us

very soon. If you're on the wrong side

of this, get we can get you on the right

side and we can get you

immunity, right? We can. Now, even

without an executive order, law

enforcement at a certain level has the

ability to immunize people if big if

they completely come clean. So it's it's

transactional in the sense that you

would have to come clean with everything

and not be involved any further in

illegal operations and then you would be

immunized. So I was told a few months

ago that can be done. So I'm making an

appeal to people now's if you're going

to do it now's the time to do it. You

don't want to you want to be on the

right side of history. You don't want to

be on the wrong side of this. Um because

ultimately truth will come out about it.

And um it's going to be better for

people if they do what Jake and his guys

are trying or just starting to do a

little bit and step over into the

correct side of it. What do you think of

his new private venture, his company?

Oh, I don't know. I mean, you know, wish

him luck. I mean, so long as it's

non-kinetic

against the ETSs, it's fine. I think

mostly what they're encountering are our

stuff. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Because

cuz it's on a range that where our stuff

might fly or something or

look remember 80 90% of everything

people see out there they're calling a

UAP is our stuff. Uhhuh. I mean and a

lot of it is so advanced now it can

mimic an ET. Wow. Object. So it takes a

lot of information and experience to

distinguish the two. But he would have

the experience right to distinguish. No,

he even admits oh that it's at the point

that and I will admit that as I said

earlier this technology curve keeps

going up of human reverse engineering.

So when you've had some of the highest

IQ brains in the world gifted who worked

in these

programs studying the real ET material,

material science, physics, all of

it, you're going to eventually be at a

level of close to par where what happens

is that even a very experienced operator

like Jake and his guys or or me and I've

been involved in contact with the ET

since I was 8 years old seeing them, you

know, and then even more intimate

contact. You can be easily deceived and

this is dangerous. So, this is why 30

years ago I raised the alarm bell. This

is going on, but technology doesn't

stand still. It's not like we got the

ARV from 19 late 50s60s, you know, that

Mark McCannish's drawings and sure, you

know, Brad Sorenson went to this air

show in 1988. That's in here. Yeah. You

have the mama bear and papa bear

acornshaped

uh UFOs. Yes. And he was shown this

video and he was with this Italian

finance here and they go to this sort of

back of the house thing and then they

have this these magneto hydrodnamic

drives underneath and so yeah but the

hanger at Norton which has been

decommissioned 88 that was an air show

to get more money from the Reagan era

people and there were three of them.

There was the baby, the mama and the dad

granddad. Exactly. And those three that

was real. But do you know when those

those were built? When were they built?

Late 50s, early 60s. Well, they had a

lot of wear and tear on them according

to the interior. If you I have a full

transcript

of Brad Sorenson talking to an aerospace

writer. Mhm. And those components on the

inside

were from the Mercury space capsule era.

Wow. Late 50s, early 60s. But then uh

James Allen, the creator of the movie

about Mark McCandish,

uh Zero Point or whatever, he died of an

aggressive form of cancer and they found

heavy metals in his autopsy. I don't

know if you're familiar. Oh yeah. I

mean, look, a lot of people in my team

I've

had I had I was me and my best friend

and assistant at the time and a member

of Congress all got aggressive

metastatic cancers. Jesus. And yeah, I

almost died. I had metastatic malignant

melanoma. You think that was brought on

by this talk? Oh yeah, absolutely. We

know how it's done. Um, I've gone

through hell. But you know and but the

point I'm making is those the folks

involved in these programs who want to

come forward you know they are at some

significant risk

until the government of the good guys

let's say

in government representing we the people

who aren't read into this stand up an

operation to stop it because otherwise

it's an unchecked rogue power with

unbelievably malicious intent. And you

know, you can't let that go on for I

mean, it's been going on for 70 years.

Yeah. Can't go on for another 10. I

don't think it can go on for another

five. This is why I think whether you

love or like him, the current president,

that administration is going to have to

deal with this. If we're at

technological par, whether they like it

or not, if we're at technological parody

with these extraterrestrials, how can we

be sure that the crashes that or not

even crashes, the the vehicles that Jake

Barber and his team retrieved were in

fact of extraterrestrial origin, the egg

and the eight gun at these test ranges

in California. If we're at par and it's

hard to distinguish, how do we know?

Well, you you have to actually get to

the point where who's on board and is it

a man-made alien or a real one because

we have man-made ones that are both

robotic and partially biological. Is

there anything about his testimony that

makes you confident that you know I look

I think he's seems very sophisticated

and experienced. No, he he has

definitely dealt with retrieving the

non-human, but he's also has seen and

seen the testing of the man-made ones.

Okay. And so it's his experience with

both that gives him conviction. Yes. And

then it's hard to say because a lot of

the stuff is classified as far as the

differences or whatever because I'm just

trying to think through it first

principles for me and I'm like I don't

know. And I go through the same

algorithm when I'm out there with my

team looking at something. Got it. You

know is it real or is it memorex like

the old commercials you know uh you know

is is it a a well done human faximile?

Yeah. Or is it an actual

extraterrestrial vehicle or NHI craft?

Now the best way to do it is to under is

is if the if that object

responds very clearly to the what I call

the coherent thought intention

that ain't ours that's ET. So one of the

tests we do is

conscious mind matter consciousness

technology interface and if that is gets

confirmed very likely it's ET. If it

doesn't, I'm kind of agnostic about it

and say, "Well, that might have been

ours. It might have been theirs." And it

without enough data, um, who knows? And

we have had experiences where the ETSs

themselves have teleported right into

our circle or near our circle. We have a

couple great photographs of them. Why

are you so controversial? I tweeted

today that I'd be speaking to you. I was

very excited for this. For me, this was,

you know, long time coming. I was really

excited to just dive deep with you. And

I want to say most people were pretty

positive on Twitter, but there was a

subset of people that were like, "Ask

them about, ask him about the flares at

the C5 thing, like you see put out."

Yeah. You know, that was put out. I'm

going we I don't know anyone who's ever

done that at any of our events, and I

certainly haven't. So, you're on record.

That's That's fake according to you.

That's fake. Oh, 100%. 100%. But here's

what's going to happen. Anything like

that could be an orb. Mhm. If you want

someone who wants to defame you to say,

"Oh, well, that was something Greer paid

someone." First of all, I don't have the

assets to do that. And secondly, I've

never done something like that. Put me

under a sodium penol. But those things

are put out there to discredit someone

who's actually telling the truth, the

whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

That's what they don't want to hear.

They want you to tell a partial truth

that comports with the false disclosure.

So, there's two disclosures trying to

happen. There's the actual truthful

disclosure and there's the truth that

serves the secret agenda. In 99 1999, go

look it up. I wrote a paper and it's

called when disclosure serves secrecy.

So when a disclosure is spun in the

direction Allah Alzando Allah she Allah

Gary Nolan Allah Shehan you don't like

Shihen?

Well, he was our lawyer, but then he

went over to Alzando. Oh. Would you ever

debate Alzando? Oh, sure. No problem. I

think he's going to be in town tomorrow.

Yeah. All the time. You have any I'm on

another show and then I fly out tomorrow

night and I'm I'm injured. So, okay. But

this is the I don't know if you you

showed this when when Mr. Herrera was

there. Oh, yeah. He had a model of this.

Oh, good. Good. Yeah. So, just so So,

this is one of the cases in this new

book. By the way, everyone can order

this. It's hard and soft copy. Cool.

That's an awesome book. Yeah. And

Michael Strat is a great uh illustrator

and researcher. No, he didn't do the

illustrations. Oh, he didn't do

illustrations. No, those were done by a

professional artist. Okay. Okay. And

some of them he had had done before. We

had Well, he helped organize your

archive, right? And he's former Loheed

Martin. Yep. Yeah. He But not doing this

stuff. He was drafting and doing stuff

that conventional. Okay. You know, Mr.

Shrat was not part of the skunk works.

Got it. Got it. By the way, yeah, uh,

James Goodall, Jim Goodall's friend of

mine, and he probably was the last man

to talk to, uh, Ben Rich, Ben Rich

before he died, and he said, you know,

Ben Rich said, "Ah, anything you can

imagine that you've seen at Star Trek

and this and that, we already have done

at the skunk works." And then he said,

"It's not at Area 51, it's out in the

desert there." If you want to talk

regarding Jim Goodall, I'll be happy to

get him on the phone right this very

second. And if you want to, we'll do

this live. Let's Let's call him. This is

awesome. Hey, Jim, are you there?

That's okay. That's okay. So, ju just a

quick review. I'm doing this in real

time. I'm in I'm in Austin, Texas. I'm

with Jesse Michaels. I'm doing an

interview. We were talking about John

Lear. We were talking about your good

friend at You Know Where. So could could

you talk about you know paraphrase here

talk about what Ben Rich told you at the

hospital just before he passed away

just before Ben Rich passed away uh when

I was talking to him he told me this

this end of a 45minut uh conversation he

said Jim we have things out in the

desert and he wasn't referring to Area

51 we have things out in the desert that

is 50 years beyond on what you can

comprehend. I can comprehend a hell of a

lot. Uh and he said, "If you've

seen if you've seen movies like Star

Trek or Star Wars, we've been there,

done that, but decided it wasn't worth

the effort." I've been to that site. I

have videotape and photographs from my

iPhone flying in a chopper over the

Lockheed Skunk Works site where the

man-made stuff comes up. Wow. So when I

gave that to Senate

Intelligence Committee in um September

of 23 about a year, year and a half ago.

Mhm. About 3 weeks later, someone sawed

through the bolt that holds my mountain

bike seat on and it fell and I went down

and my left leg came off, my foot came

off. You see the pictures and these two

bones are in the air. My left shoulder

was ripped off and my right lower

abdomen was split over. I had four

surgeries in three months. That was an

attempt on your life. And who know I

mean somebody messed with that. So, but

you know, I went through rehab and

physical therapy and I'm back working

out and I was fine till this happened

because I leg press 700 lb and I work

out hard. 700 lb. Oh my god. Yeah.

That's amazing. I work out. I mean, I'm

an old guy, but I try to stay strong.

Um, most of the people your bench, your

leg press. Yeah. In June June, I'll be

70 in June 28th. That's impressive, man.

So, I just work out hard. But luckily,

because I work out hard, you know, I was

in good enough shape that the rehab

period, you know, it was hard. I mean,

and because I had no arm or leg, I was

in a wheelchair. And anyone who knows me

knows I'm very active. And it was like

that was torture. So, but I'm I

recovered and um been fine till my

appendix ruptured yesterday. But you

don't need your appendix. It's a

vestigial vestigial organ. Snip snip.

That's right. I think when the nurse was

rolling me out last night at about 10 or

whatever at the hospital, I'm in a

wheelchair because you I'm still kind of

a little loopy from the anesthesia and

she says, "Did you have you forgotten

anything?" because I had to get dressed

and I said, "Well, I think I forgot or

I've left my appendix back there." And I

said, "Go get my appendix." I was

joking.

That's gone for good. Oh, we we cut up a

lot. I mean, as an ER, you know, I'll

tell you, when you're dealing with major

emergency trauma like I did, you got to

develop a sense of humor. Yeah. Or

you're going to eat your gun, you know?

I mean, this stuff when you deal at this

level, you got to have a sense of humor.

I mean, Yeah. And you got to have fun.

Yeah. And you got to have I mean my

assistant here, Raven and is an angel.

She's 27 years with me. My wife and I 46

years together. Congratulations. I have

dear friends that I've been with since

for 50 years. So, you know, you you have

to develop a support team. Yeah. A

network of people who, you know, and you

have to learn to have fun. Yeah. I'm a

party animal. If you ever go out

partying with I'm wild, man.

That's funny. I I feel like I've become

uh more uh Oh, I'll be out 3:00 or 4 in

the morning having a great time.

I've become more lame since all my you

know, whatever partying I used to do has

gone into the craziness of the topic.

The topic is so crazy that I'm like, you

got to bring balance, man. You got have

some balance. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair

enough. Balance. Mind, body, spirit. You

have to balance. That's true. Yeah.

Always. Yeah. Everything in moderation,

including moderation. Everything in

moderation. Oh, no. I've never done any

drugs or anything, but you know. Yeah. I

was telling someone, someone once bought

me a third tequila shot. Yeah. Oh my

god. Wasn't tequila. I got so wild. It

was on Halloween. I never had had a

tequila shot. I never drank liquor that

liquor. But it was like, oh, you know, I

was like wild man turned loose, you

know. Well, maybe at some point we'll be

partying with the ET. Who knows? Yeah,

man. They have actually they have a

great sense of humor. Uh-huh. Uh, they

can be very playful and and childlike.

Uhhuh. And uh very into highQ's if we

had a scale 450. Yeah. In that range. Do

you think they're hybrids among us?

Well, look, I think all of life in the

universe is a hybrid, but we're going to

get into something here that's very

complex. Okay. Um, but if you understand

Rupert Sheldrake's morphagenic fields.

Oh, yeah. He's a friend of mine. I love

him. Yeah. Brilliant, brilliant,

brilliant guy. Yeah. Um so anything that

starts to happen through non-locality

and in cons the conscious field can

begin to replicate. So look at the

entire creation that way. Yeah. So I

look at this from a very you know

conscious quantum holographic point of

view

um which integrates is integrative.

Uh now there's a place for reductionism

where you break everything into parts. I

mean medicine, science, you have to do

that. But there's a place to also bring

in this more holistic uh and the whole

that the totality of it that has to do

with the conscious holography

of of the cosmos. And that's what's

fascinating. I think the civilizations

that have survived this sort of crazy

time we're in and have made it through

the nuclear threshold and the

transdimensional threshold and become

peaceful. One of the reasons why I don't

think they're hostile is that if you

have that consciousness that humans have

you're going to destroy yourself before

you get out of your solar system. Look

at us on the brink of World War II with

Russia and China. You know, if you don't

evolve a certain level of peaceful

consciousness. So I always tell people

we have a lot of problems but the root

of it is very not religious the root of

it is social spiritual conscious

evolution because if we don't evolve to

a certain level of that consciousness of

peace and and seeing the oneness of life

here and out there's no future for

humanity because we're not using just

musketss and you know bows and arrows or

even whatever. Now we have weapons of

mass destruction that can destroy the

planet. And in these covert programs,

they have technologies way beyond a

hydrogen bomb that are supercharged

quantum potential scalar type weapons.

So you you really can't go forward as a

people. Uh, and I think that other

civilizations have passed this way

before and if they survived that

threshold or maybe they crashed and came

back out of it, they've learned a very

big lesson. What I'd like to see is

humanity come out of this era where we

are now instead of crashing

completely transforming into a new

civilization and a new awareness about

this. And I think it can happen, but we

need to articulate it and and sort of

show that vision, that path forward. Um,

and it isn't going to happen by just

continuously stirring up hatred. See,

one of the the alien hatred thing, you

know, I think it is it's an exploitation

of of the original sin of humans, and

that's tribalism. So, if you look at

chimpanzees, we're 98% identical. They

organize in the troops and engage in

war.

We have that proclivity. That's where

racism, homophobia, misogyny,

ethnicity, all the war, everything we

fight over, it's it's it's demagogues

being able to trigger that impulse. Now,

the big one to trigger would be human

versus non-human, right? You pull the

whole world together as demagogues and

people wanting power against another

intelligent life form. Was that what

Reagan was referring to in his speech

when he said yes? Because he had been

gaslit. I knew the people who did it.

Wow. General Homeman, no, I'm sorry,

Colonel Homeman before he died. He was

the one who sold

uh SDI Star Wars to Reagan. Wow. And he

told me before he died, he said he was a

full bird colonel. He had been on that

committee selling Star Wars to First

tried to sell it to Carter and Carter

was too smart. Didn't buy it. Then he

told Reagan, so he said, "We had Soviet

Union, these other threats, da da da da

da." And where he really got him is that

he convinced him of the alien threat.

Now, he told me, he said, "We knew that

was false,

but it got billions of dollars for SDI."

So, here's the other risk with with uh

President Trump is that he could be

shown a lot of false evidence.

For example, you go in with a portfolio

of gruesome viva sections and

mutilations and abdu abductions and

other scary things all done by SCOPS

from CIA and other cutouts. But aren't

some of these pre ability to even like

my buddy Chris Ramsey who runs a great

channel called Area 52.

He's an admirer of your work and

consumed it for a while. But he always

points to these he said there's like in

1904 there's like this Chilean cattle

mutilation series and it's like we

didn't have the ability to do this back

then did we in 1904 you know I don't

know what the ev how in my lab you know

who knows what that was okay back then

and what technologies were used if you

have those capabilities Mhm.

what are you using it for? I mean

obviously if they wanted to overtake the

earth and humanity they could have done

it before we had the technologies we had

by the time we detonated the first

atomic bomb. Y okay so it there's no

internal logic to that thesis is what

I'm saying. Yeah. Now, there's a lot of

reason to believe maybe there have been

other civilizations that have done

things where they're monitoring our

evolution

because they know in the future we could

be friend or foe or we could go one way

or another. Um, and so some of this I

liken to imagine if you're well here's a

good analogy. Imagine you're me as an

emergency doctor. Yep. Someone comes in,

either a 2-year-old child with the

symptoms of menitis. Mhm. Right. Which

can be fatal. Mhm. All right. So, I have

to do a spinal tap and I have a needle

this long, you know. So, to the child,

I'm a

monster who's having my nurses hold the

child down in the fetal position. and

they go in and get the cerebral spinal

fluid off from around the spine to test

it to see if there's bacterial or

infection.

But to the child, I'm torturing that

child.

I'm trying to save its life. I'm I'm

there with the best of intentions doing

everything I can to be sure this child

doesn't die of menitis or have brain

damage and hearing loss.

So I think we have to also be careful in

taking just a a empirical observation

let's say in an ephemeral superficial

way and ascribing modem to it

right because think of how many things

I've had to do as a doctor. Doesn't that

flip the other way too though? Like how

can we know they're positive on the You

know what I mean? Because as I said the

uh the colonel in charge of the Wright

Patterson Air Force Base operations for

this Mhm. Uh Colonel Canola when he said

to me that day he said that was I went

from the Rockefeller ranch to there.

Wow. He was head of the foreign

technology FTD. Well at that time it was

called Fastic foreign aerospace science

and technology center. They keep

changing the name of it. So you spoke to

him directly. Oh yeah. That meeting was

ordered by the head of intelligence,

joint staff, not Kramer, but another

one, not not uh Tom Wilson, but Admiral

Kramer ordered that meeting. You met

with all these fascinating people. I

don't know. Like, you know, I'm a fan of

Joe Rogan, but I don't see how anybody

can just write you off. Like, you you've

really like Well, no. I mean, it's it's

a money thing. Threats and money. I

mean, look, I don't know. I mean, you

ask Joe, he's a neighbor of yours, you

know. Fine. I'm happy to go on a show

anytime. Mhm. Mhm. I have no grudge

against him. I just know that I'm

blacklisted off of it. That's stupid.

It's weird. Well, who cares? I mean, you

know, I mean, I can reach a lot of

people other ways, but So, what was your

conversation like with the Well, I I I

you know, he thought I was coming there

to see what he had. Mhm. So, I said I

had my military adviser there and a guy

who was a former state department

actually CIA guy there. And this meeting

had been ordered from way above his pay

grade. Now the head of air force

intelligence didn't want to do it, but

the head of intelligence, the whole

joint staff ordered it. I can talk about

this now. So it happened. And um the

conversation kind of went like this. He

went, well, you know, um I really I

said, look, I'm not here to see what you

have here. I already know what you have

here. M I have people who worked in your

facility. Now this is September 93. So I

said you I don't need to see that. I

know what you have. I'm here to let you

know that we have an

operation C5 contact closing counters

and we want to deconlict what we're

doing with anything you and your

colleagues are doing so that you don't

interfere with us and we don't interfere

with you. A lot of people don't know

this. That was 93 really early on. So

you kind of came to them in peace. You

weren't like, "Oh, yeah. Let us all

out." Yeah. But I also said the Clinton

administration is keen. He just taken

office in January, this September, in

getting and this may come here, so you

need to be prepared to cooperate. Yep.

And u then he said at one point, "Well,

what what makes you think that these

civilizations are a threat?" You know,

the whole party line because I mean, he

was a colonel. He brainwashed like

everybody else. And I go, "Well, we're

having this conversation, aren't we?

We're breathing the free air of Earth.

And the fact that we're still breathing

the fear, the free air of Earth, given

the galactically stupid things we've

been doing, targeting and downing their

own craft and killing their own people.

If they were hostile like you think,

we'd be done, right?" He just looked at

me. So I said, "The proof that they're

not is that you and I are still

breathing Earth's air." What if they're

impervious? What if it's like these

biological drones where they're like,

you know, this is this is sort of like

disposable stuff. Oh, some of them are

like little vonoyoman replicators to

like, you know, some are some are

organic indigenous ET. Some are kind of

robotic. Um, they have integrated

circuits in their cerebral cortex, but

we have man-made grays and man-made

looking ones that have that because

we've studied them. Do you believe in

different alien races? the grays, the

Nordics, the reptilians, things like

that or Well, no, all those names are

just racist appellations.

I mean, remember I was talking to you

before. So, it's all one. The foundation

of all of ufology

is let's call it interspecies racism.

That's the f everything that you're

mouththing. They've just been able to

trigger the innate racism within

everybody. Everyone's we're all monkeys.

We all have this sort of monkey mind.

But are there ones that look different?

There dozens and dozens of them. Okay. I

know that Clifford Stone said in the 60s

and they're all good. All of the There's

no indication any of them are hostile.

Okay. There's indications that some of

them are extremely unhappy. Okay. With

what we're doing to the planet and what

we're doing to them. So, but there is a

universal right to self-defense. Yeah.

Number one. Number

two, let's say you're a species been

monitoring this planet

for thousands or hundreds of thousands

of years.

In a hundredyear period, we go from

horse and buggies to thermonuclear

weapons. We go from a pristine

environment that was an

agricultural

civilizations to a an industrial

civilization that

suppresses the natural evolutionary

breakthrough in electromagnetism to have

free energy and we're destroying the

biosphere. We're killing the oceans. We

have thousands of species of plants and

animals going

extinct. And so if the earth had been

somehow bioformed or assisted in its

evolution, they would be less than

amused. not with humans per se, but with

the captains of human

civilization. So, they would be right in

saying that we're mad. You know, it's

like as an emergency doctor, you can

commit someone

if they're a danger to themselves or

other mentally ill or substance abuser.

I believe that these some of these

civilizations view us as collectively

insane. that humans given what we're

doing to the planet and to each other

and now to them are sort of mad like

what the heck's going on. So, I

encourage people to step out of the

anthropocentric, you know, self-centered

view and begin to look at the world and

what we're doing through the eyes of a

nonhuman intelligent species who would

rightly be appalled

at what we've been doing to the earth

and to each other. endless world wars,

the Earth's biosphere, the oceans dying,

the coral reefs

dying

unnecessarily because we've suppressed

the genius breakthroughs of Nicola Tesla

and others in energy generation so that

a handful of Uber oligarchs and control

freaks can benefit from that system.

Right? In the whole planet only

0.83% of the population has any

involvement with energy generation at

any level green or

otherwise and for that the we're sending

the planet over a cliff. Have we made

agreements with the aliens? Like there's

this rumor in 1954 that Eisenhower was I

think in at like Palm Desert in

California or where was it? Palm

Springs. I think it was 56. 56 might

have. I thought it was 54. Maybe it was

in Mura around. Yeah. And he says, you

know, it was under the cover of a a

dental exam, but he might have actually

made an agreement with some alien. It

was an agreement. It was a meeting. It

was a meeting. And the what the ETSs

wanted us to stop the nuclear holocaust

potential. Mhm.

And we were to then do so. Do you

believe this? Do you think this

happened? Well, I got a I got a series

of reports from the French Ministry of

Defense indicating that meeting did

happen, but it wasn't the mythology

you're referring to. And it was really

an attempt by the ETSs before we went

full-on dangerous proliferation of tens

of thousands of thermonuclear weapons to

try to change that direction. And

Eisenhower was inclined to do so. this

cabal of war mongering sociopaths like

Alan Dulles and Paul Melon said no we're

not and they're the ones who then cut

the president out of the loop. This is

why one of our whistleblowers was a

young army guy at the White House in the

Eisenhower in the signal corps I think

5960 named Steven Lovkin. You can read

his testimony in our material. And he

said that Eisenhower would doodle

pictures of these, you know, ET craft.

He was fascinated. And he brought the

issue up to Eisenhower and said,

Eisenhower said, "Well, I don't have

control of this anymore."

So, I think that because

Eisenhower, he knew the dangers of

endless war. He had been a five-star

general World War II, and he wanted

peace. I think he wanted a golden age.

And I think about the time I was born in

55. I think this happened in could have

been 54 or 56. But around that time this

could have all gone another way. You

see? So what a waste. And so instead he

got pushed aside. That group of

sociopaths and control

freaks then took over those operations

and those have been illegal operations

ever since. M and so the president I

think Eisenhower what I understand died

a very bitter man about this. He never

spoke of this in particular but he also

knew that there was an organization that

had moved him to the side. Jack Kennedy

said the same thing to Bill Holden his

the stu chief steward on Air Force One.

But I have many data points for this.

And so, you know, my concern is, you

know, how long can that continue with an

unchecked group with that kind of power?

Uh, I don't think it can go on much

longer because their technological

prowess has reached a point that it's

not only a threat to Earth, it's a

threat out there. And so, I think we

have to resolve it. My recommendation is

resolve it peacefully. Well, let's see

what happens. Dr. agre. I mean, we have

uh we're kind of on the verge of like

this deep politics civil war right now.

It feels like with US aid and Elon and

Trump on one side and kind of

bureaucracy on the other side, they're

really clashing. And uh so it's an

interesting time and uh I hope that all

the political capital spent on all the

other disclosures do not cut against

UFOs and in fact they cascade into UFOs.

So take there. Yeah, I think all of

that's a sideshow and and a waste of

time. Here's what I think. You know,

there it's fiddling while Rome burns.

So, all those other things, I'm not

saying there all there's all manner of

corruption and waste and fraud, but the

big

one is this stuff, UFOs. It's the This

is where 8 to 12 trillion minimum is

gone. Yeah. And it's still going. Yeah.

And so the question is, you want to get

serious about this? Same thing with the

criminal criminalizing

uh and illegally using the criminal

justice system against people, you know,

and also letting people get away

literally with murder and abductions and

kidnapping. one of our whistleblowers

whose whose case is in here who we don't

name he's by a initial he was on a crash

retrieval team in the northern Nevada

desert way north used to be called the

Nevada test range and about I think it

was 2009 somewhere around there he was

on a team retrieving these objects and

it's a very long story but cut a long

story short uh when he reached out to us

I was going to bring him to Senate

Intelligence and Armed Service services

and then over to

Arrow. And we were getting in the

process of actually getting this ticket.

Yeah. So, those of you who cavet about

the fact you have to pay money for this

book like you do a latte at

Starbucks. I don't I'm I'm retired and I

don't I don't get money from all this.

It's paying for whistleblowers to go to

DC and provide security and all that.

So, you know, all these the naysayers

and say, "Why is there a tuition?" I

said, 'Well, how do you put on

something? If it costs $200,000 to rent

a facility to put on an event, who's

paying for that? Me out of my I'm a

doctor, not a tech billionaire. Anyway,

you know, but so we're getting his

ticket. We're bringing him to

DC. A van pulls up, SUV out in front of

his house. His wife's at

work, and they have two young kids,

boys. And the they say, "Look at your

phone and your computer." And they had

embedded child pornography all over it.

No way. Yep. Happens all the time. They

said, "You take one more step towards

this. You're going to spend the rest of

your life in prison and never see your

children." So, I have said this to

people in law enforcement. I said, "Why

should someone who's a hero of the

country be afraid for his life and

afraid of false imprisonment and

enttrapment?

Where is our justice systems? Where's

the department of Miss Bondi? Where and

Cash Patel? Where is federal law

enforcement? When you have this kind of

thuggery, but I we've had this thuggery

used against

uh even folks like the senior

investigators for Senate Intelligence

Committee. So, at what point does

someone grow a pair and stand up to the

Goliath? Now granted, it is a Goliath

and they have enormous power and

enormous technology and they're very

corrupt and they're ruthless. They will

kill their own. But I don't think that

that is any excuse for putting your tail

between your legs and running away like

a coward. Maybe Elon's engaging in some

sort of encirclement strategy where you

go for the the less important stuff

first and then you

you know I I don't know. I mean again I

I don't know Mr. Musk and I wish him

well. Mhm. Um and I what I do know is

that there are very senior people around

the president who are taking this

seriously which is a good thing. Yeah.

And um there are some wonderful people

in there. Uh like RFK Jr.'s

son's wife Amarillis Fox Amarillis Fox

Kennedy is a friend of mine and she's

gonna she's on the White House

intelligence advisory group now. and and

I will also work closely with Tulsi

Gabbert who's the DNI. I've met Tulsi

before and I think she's great. And then

I heard I've heard great things about

Amarillis Fox too. Oh, she's one she's

Amarillis is wonderful. She's very

smart. She understands everything we've

been talking about. And I think RFK Jr.

does too in my conversations there but

uh not at a granular level and not at a

you know but I think uh there are people

in place who I think can help guide the

administration to what the facts are and

what the truth is but more importantly

we need to get past this thing of just

endlessly yaking and investigating the

issue we need to action no I'm with that

yeah we have to we at some point the

federal government of the United States

and others

are going to need to take action to get

those operations under control. Stand

down the malignant ones that are

targeting ET craft and victimizing other

humans with abductions, mutilations,

threats. And then we also need to have

somebody with enough vision to say,

"Wow, well, if we're not alone in the

universe, maybe we should reach out." I

mean, Mr. Trump reached out to Putin and

Zalinski. Maybe we need to learn to

reach out to out there. Mhm. So let's

reach out to these civilizations and

began a Rath Prol and a dialogue. That's

the whole concept of the reason I

started this whole project was for that

reason. Well, on that and I got diverted

into these other things. But that's the

real purpose is let's go forward in a in

a world where we're at peace. Yeah. And

we're in peace and space. We've

transformed our whole civilization into

a new high-tech society and poverty

vanishes within a generation. I may live

to see you will. My children will and

and let's have a new world. That's a

beautiful note to end on. Let's move

forth into a utopia, not hit the great

filter, let out all this suppressed

technology, and commune with the

extraterrestrials. Thank you so much for

your time, Dr. Green. I really

appreciate it. This was an honor. Thank

you. Yeah.

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