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Steven Greer: “UFO Secrets Are Held By A Global Cabal”

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You're dealing with weapons that would
make hydrogen bomb look like a tinker
toy. It's the largest criminal corrupt
organization in the history of the
earth. Most people have a price. Yeah.
In either blackmail, threats or money or
position. I said sit on it and rotate.
Why are you so controversial? Just let
me finish. Let me finish. Let me finish
the story. You keep interrupting me, but
I will tell you if you'll let me finish.
The really high-tech stuff they've
slammed into a box. It would liberate
every home, every car, every factory,
every country. Yeah. Into energy
independence, no pollution, and no
poverty. Here's a warning to you money
grubbing [ __ ] It's It's going to It's
going to be open
sourced. So, I've been doing this for
one hell of a long time since I was 35.
I thought everything that went bump in
the night was alien. I did. And it
wasn't until I started having people
come forward who said, "Oh, we piloted
these." And then I had guys come forward
who had actually been on the abduction
squad made to look like aliens. Whoa.
And they said, "Oh, no." You met people
who've like committed those crimes.
Yeah. And they feel terrible later in
life.
The folks who know about this, they need
to come clean truthfully soon. This is
getting very serious right now. Whether
you're in Congress, the Senate, the
public, or someone on your podcast, they
need to be arrested and tried for
treason and sedition against United
States. Does that involve storming Area
51 and Dougway and the right pad or
what? What does this involve? Literally.
This week's long awaited American
Alchemist is Dr. Steven Greer. Love him
or hate him, this medical doctor turned
UFO truth seeker has played a big part
in modern disclosure that can't be
ignored. If you are trying to get closer
to the truth, you just can't really
throw out his foundational research, the
Disclosure Project archive, and his
whistleblower testimonies. He's gathered
more firstirhand UFO witnesses than
anyone on the planet, and humanity owes
him a debt for that. In my opinion,
speaking to Dr. Greer is like panning
for gold. If you get past some of his
antics, there's a ton of value there.
I've been told by people not to do this
interview because of those antics. I
don't really care for being told who I
should and shouldn't speak with. Talking
to someone on a podcast is not in any
way an endorsement of all of their
beliefs. So, I decided to sit down with
him. The one caveat I will include here
is Dr. Greer goes after just about
everybody in UFO world and hurls out a
ton of ad homonyms. If I had tried to
perfectly referee all of his
accusations, this would have turned into
an unintelligible and endless argument
about who the bad faith actors are in
UFO world. Although I generally agree
with him there are probably many. So
instead, I tried to show appreciation
for his incontrovertible contributions
to UFO disclosure and to learn what I
could from him. So without further ado
or disclaimers, please enjoy this
special long- form episode with this
week's American Alchemist, Dr. Steven
Greer.
Different parts of the brain have
different activities. But you know that,
don't you?
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Maybe you should interview me.
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I'm here with Dr. Steven Greer. Uh, I'm
so excited to do this. This has been a
long time coming for me because I've
explored a lot in UFO world. Sure. And
you are really responsible for a lot of
disclosure. I mean a lot of the most of
the whistleblowers who've come out have
had a touch point with you before
they've gone public. And so uh
Disclosure Project is is your kind of
organization. You have an archive with
terabytes of data documents that go
incredibly deep on the cover up. You've
also uh made a couple of great movies,
Unagnowledged, uh The Lost Century about
suppressed science and stuff, and the
new one that just came out, The Battle
for Disclosure and The Battle for
Disclosure. And uh and then you've given
me this incredible uh this briefing for
the president. We we cleaned it up.
Okay. Redacted things and made it
available to the public. So, everyone
can get it now. So, you'll have 90 plus%
of what the new president has. That's
pretty awesome. The Disclosure Project
briefing document 2025. So have you
spoken to Trump or his team or I can't I
won't I can't talk about the who the
names but very senior people relevant to
this issue and national security. Yes.
So as soon as the election happened
um even before so some of his closest uh
adviserss and and major funders have
been on my team and are supportive of
this and
uh some of them that are new to that
world and just to be clear to everyone
I'm nonpartisan so I've dealt with all
the way back to Clinton and the Obama
and John Podesta all the way forward to
now. So my institute uh and the
disclosure project is completely a
nonpartisan has to be and only
nonpartisan it's global because I do the
same thing for Europe, Australia, Great
Britain. I was just in Great Britain in
September. So we're assiduously
carefully nonpartisan. With that
said, this
administration, I think the first
administration since Bill Clinton tried
to fix this problem in his first term is
most open to perhaps pursuing it. We'll
see. That would be very exciting. Well,
this brings up this kind of perennial
question because I think a lot of people
associate this topic with the quote
unquote deep state and they also
associate Bill Clinton with the quote
unquote deep state. And so, how deep is
the deep state that deals with this
topic? If you have Bill Clinton kind of
knocking on the door of the program and
not getting let in, what are we talking
about as far as a a power structure
here? Well, it's exactly what Eisenhower
described when he went out of office in
' 61 in January 61 when he left and Jack
Kennedy came in and he said, "Beware of
the military-industrial complex. it'll
become a threat to our way of life and
excessive secrecy will destroy
democracy. I'm paraphrasing, but you can
read the speech. Um, the same thing that
Jack Kennedy said in a number of
speeches. And then we know for a fact
and I know the people who have the
actionable intelligence on this. Jack
Kenny was killed over this issue and the
constellation of programs attached to
GAPS and particularly the science and
technology branch of it which we'll get
into. That's two big pillars here
keeping it secret. They want people to
go out publicly, and we know who they
are, who will spin the subject in the
direction of it being an alien threat
for the purpose of a totalitarian
superstate uniting the world against
aliens, which is a total hoax and
nonsense. And that's, you know, it's
like the movie Independence Day or the
War of the Worlds or whatever, you know,
like when Will Smith goes, "Let's kick
alien butt." Right?
that you know that whole script was like
out of CIA central scripting casting.
Not that Will Smith is, he's a great
guy, but um who's reached out to us and
very interested, but I think that the
the trajectory of this goes back to the
late 50s.
Probably earlier, but definitely the
decapitation
of the presidency happened on
Eisenhower's watch. Mhm. And we know
that Jackie Gleason knew this and some
people that in my early days as a young
doctor when I first started this, I got
to know some people who had known
Eisenhower
and and uh like one of our
whistleblowers way back then at the when
we kicked off the whole disclosure
project effort in the mid 90s. It was
called Project Starlight code name was
we were private and then it went public
in 01 with the National Press Club that
had 800 million people see it. And then
9/11 happened a few months later as a
direct consequence which we I don't want
to get into that much but it was this
was going to get blown wide open.
Interesting. They had to have they had
needed a diversion. So they created
something called 911 and that's been
stuck in that world for 20 years. But
what's fascinating about this so-called
deep state is that it was an carryover
out of World War II.
And it started when uh a man who was one
of the original founders of CIA, Alan
Dulles,
uh it was OSS during World War II. The
other thing
was a guy named Paul Melon. And Melon
was one of the few billionaires in the
world at the end of World War II. I
mean, a million having billions of
dollars in 45.
Yeah. Amazing. So Paul Melon's
grandson, who is John Warner IV, the the
the son of Senator John Warner, I got to
know years ago. And he said, "Look,
first time I walked into his house
at the Watergate, he has two a huge
place on the water." And and uh John
Warner, not his father, the Senator
Warner, but John Warner. He I walk in,
he goes, "Well, my whole family were
fascists." I went, "What?" He says, "Oh,
yeah." So his his grandfather Paul Melon
so Warner his father had married uh Paul
Melon's daughter so it's all very
familial
this runs family back way back and he
said yeah I mean he was a huge supporter
of Adolf Hitler and fascism so was Henry
Ford so was Watson of IBM so these were
all hardcore and so was Prescott Bush
George HW Bush's dad they were known to
be big supporters of fascism They were
at like Union Bank, Brown Brothers,
Haramman. Yep. All that. Chase
Manhattan, the whole the whole thing. So
that was went put into kind of stasis
for a few years till we won I call it
the battle of World War II, but then
those people sort of covertly surfaced
after World War II. Well, there's a
story of John Warner and he's having
martinis, I believe, with with Paul
Melon. That's what I'm talking about.
And he admitted this. And he admitted
going over and getting a Nazi disc.
That's right. That was not a ramjet. It
was actually electrogravidic. And my
grandfather said, "Look, you know, we we
were in a facility, a hanger, and we
saw, you know, a German flying disc."
And I said, you know, "Oh, is that the
one that was cobbled together with six
BMW jet engines?" And he laughed and he
said, "No." Now, some of them are
extraterrestrial. Yeah. I don't use the
word alien because people think it's
someone from Guatemala or something, but
um but an ETV, an extraterrestrial
vehicle or NHI craft, non-human
intelligence craft. Um that's not what
he brought back. It was a not it was a
Nazi early prototype, but it wasn't
stable. It took us from
1945 to 1954 to master what's called
gravity control. Yeah. And I have a man
who is a whistleblower but privately who
is the top scientist at the Naval
Research Labs who has passed away. So
I'll say his name is Richard Foch F.
Rick had been in the vault and saw the
documents for the date we mastered
gravity control and it was October 1954.
So beginning in the late 50s forward,
many of the UAPs, UFOs, whatever the new
fake word is are using for these things
that's also out of CI. We'll talk about
the word usage and how it's a mind
colonization. It's a mind [ __ ] excuse
my language, but
um to think how these guys think, right?
You had to get at their level. And so
from there forward they said they had
captured or shot down a couple of ET
craft but they weren't starting from
zero. They already had that right the
Nazi disc. They had the T. Towns and
brown electro revidics which became the
foundation of Rand Corporation by the
way. And so how do you that's
interesting because I know Towns and
Brown did some experiments in the 60s
right before his work got kind of
covertly transferred to Northrup Grumman
for the B2 and he did a presentation for
Rand Corporation and then something
happened and so Y but that started in
the 20s. Mhm. Well his experiments.
Yeah. Okay. So the late 1920s they were
using very high voltage material uh uh
resonant frequencies certain frequencies
at very high voltage but low power. Mhm.
Not a lot of current. Low current. Yeah.
Low current. If you understand
electromagnetism and power is you know
the the current times the voltage.
Right. The fact is is that he was able
to hit a sweet spot with certain
crystallin materials. Mhm. High K
dialectrics. Yeah. And that would then
levitate. Yeah. float that was 28 29 it
was reproduced in Germany in the Kowski
frost experiment all this is in by the
way the disclosure project intelligence
archive we released it all
dpiarchive.com is that
dpiarchchive.com and so I go anyone
wants to see it it's there if you can
read you you'll learn it but so that
percolated along so the CL covert
programs with this go way back to the
turn of the last century Yeah. Late
1800s, early 1900s. There are still top
secret files on this issue from the late
1800s and early 1900s. We know this.
Wow. Way back. Fascinating. Yeah, it is
fascinating. And how do you know that it
goes that far back? Because one of the
very top people since 1979 at the CIA
who's worked this issue is an intel
source for me. So what is the secrecy?
Because we think we associate it with
the CIA which was formed in 47. Even OSS
was 42 through 45. Yeah. So, like if it
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What? Oh, it was it was again it was
military intelligence and scientists who
were under contract and there were top
secret things going on. See, people
forget Nicola Tesla. Mhm. Not the fake
Tesla cars with a little toy battery you
plug in. No, I'm not talking about the
fake Tesla. I'm talking about Nicola
Tesla. Uhhuh. You know, as Einstein was
asked, "What's it like being a genius?"
And he goes, "I wouldn't know. You
should ask Nicola Tesla." See, I think
that was the real genius. I agree with
you of of of the the 20th century him
and towns and brown in my opinion. Yes.
And ma Faraday Maxwell they all had
stumbled across this electromagnetic
effect. So this is when I say we have a
hundred in the lost century. Everyone
goes see this documentary. It's a
documentation of a hundred years of lost
technologies that are really advanced.
And I don't mean the crap out of Silicon
Valley. It's just peripheral garbage.
You know, iPhones, all that stuff. I was
just that's not
high-tech. There's none of it. So, the
really high-tech stuff they've slammed
into a box because it would liberate,
this is a libertarian's dream. It would
liberate every home, every car, every
factory, every country. Yeah. Into
energy independence, no pollution, and
no poverty. But then that undercuts this
uber elite oligarchy. Yeah. The super
powerful trillion dollar. I'm not
talking Elon Musk, couple hundred
billion. Nobody cares about $200
billion. Yeah, we're talking hundreds of
trillions of dollars in assets. Can I
say where I might disagree with you? I
think we have these novel effects in the
black around towns and brown
electrogravitics, things like that,
extended electronamics, and then I I'm
not so sure, you might be right, but I'm
not sure that we have like
scalable zero point energy that could
like take out the grid. Do you have high
confidence that we have? I have 100%
knowledge of it and absolutely really
absolutely we have it and you know what
the CEO of a fortune 50 company Mhm. I'm
sorry chairman not CEO who's retired now
has approached us last year as soon as
he did he had a wet works assassination
team threatened to kill him and his
entire family and grandchildren. Wow. So
he's 80 now, but he wants to come
forward and the first thing he said is
we have we could have had free energy
for the world and quote decades and
decades ago. Absolutely true. Is this
company a defense prime or is it it I
won't comment except it is one of the
it's a household name in the United
States. Wow. And this is the former
chairman. And he came to you saying yes,
I want to get this out. Yes. But of
course this is why we're get to this in
a little while. M why some of the
executive orders and things in Congress
we've been working on provides ironclad
protection
not just legal but physical like federal
marshall protection or secret service uh
to the HVT high value targets very high
value whistleblowers
because we have several categories of
whistleblowers
I have 760ome whistleblowers that I've
debriefed some of them at such a high
level that they're in serious risk. This
is not a conspiracy theory of just being
whacked, right? Killed and their
families and uh we have to protect them.
So, the president needs to sign an
executive order and the Congress needs
to enshrine in law, which they almost
did in December of 23, a little over a
year ago, but that got gutted in the
reconciliation of the National Defense
Authorization Act. And the part of it
that I had helped consult on for Senate
Intelligence Committee because I've been
in the skiff there and done things for
them that got taken out and the
reconciliation by some devils who are in
the House of Representatives. We know
who they are and one of them got removed
Turner. He got removed as head of
because I blew the whistle on it. I said
that guy out. Well, he because here's
the problem. If you are carrying water
Uhhuh. for a criminal conspiracy, a
transnational corrupt organization,
which is what this is, that is
committing murder, abductions. Mhm.
Alien abductions are covert human
programs, by the way, 100%. I mean,
that's the other big secret nobody
knows. Then you're also committing
embezzlement of monies, black budget
money that's being embezzled that the
president and Congress have not have no
knowledge of. You're murdering people.
Take the whole federal penal code, throw
it at these people. So where I am at
this point, because I'm look, in June
I'll be 70. So I've been doing this for
one hell of a long time since I was 35.
My view of it at this point is we're
going to have to get serious against
these criminal elements. But if you're
carrying water for them, if you're one
of their shills or cut out, whether
you're in Congress, the Senate, the
public, or someone on your podcast, they
need to be arrested and tried for
treason and sedition against United
States. I'm going go on the record and
say that. And this is seriously being
discussed. So I'm issuing this as a
warning. This chicainery and nonsense
one way or another is going to come to a
screeching halt because there are
people, not just me. I've been saying
this for 30 years. You go back and see
what I saw in the meetings with the
Clinton people back in 95.
93 94 95. I briefed the CIA director for
Clinton in December 13th of 93. Wow. So
I mean before probably you were born.
But the point I'm making is that this is
a really huge problem. So if even if
you're a low-level operative, you're
just carrying water for this messaging.
Mhm. Right. And disinforming the public
or blocking bills, you are part of a
criminal operation and RICO racketeering
influence corrupt organization
conspiracy can be invoked and grab them
all up. Speaking of Clinton, his uh
deputy assistant secretary of defense
for intelligence, Chris Melon, has been
responsible for pushing a lot of, you
know, disclosure post 2017, this article
with Leslie Kaine, these videos that
have come out, he and Lou Alzando, uh,
in the New York Times, how do you square
that with Paul Melon being one of the
founders of the CIA? because all three
of the people you named are being told
to tell part of the truth and the
partial truth is actually more damaging
than than saying nothing. So if you tell
people one we don't know what these are.
So all three of them say it's a UAP we
don't know what they are bull malarkey
or in Texas cow pods. I mean it's just
nonsense. We know what they are. There
are extraterrestrial vehicles and HIV
vehicles. There are man-made ones.
That's the majority that are seen now.
That's the biggest secret. And then
there are things that are
extradimensional. They're not from
another star system, from another
dimension. They're not craft. They're
beings. All that gets put into a blender
and confused on purpose. Are there any
time travel to gas? Well, time and space
is fungeible, right? But I'm just want
to stay on this for a minute. So if
you're if you're told, "Say this, but
then misdirect the public on that." Let
me tell you how
great counter intelligence
works. You take truth, put it on the
outside, like a sweet coating.
Inside this nice little piece of candy
is the poison pill. So they'll come out
and they'll say, "These are real, but we
don't know what they are. We don't know
how they fly." Big lie.
Or they'll say they're a threat to the
national security. Well, the man-made
ones are because they're running by a
transnational criminal organization out
of the control of the White House and
the Congress. What is that organization?
Do we have a name for it? Oh, it used to
be called Majestic 12. The last I know
it's been the last good name I can
pinpoint on a document from the 90s from
the NRO national reconnaissance office
was uh magic magic which is the majority
joint intelligence committee or just
magi they're they're a global they're
transnational organization oh absolutely
that coincides with different
governments national governments but
basically has supersedes them has power
over them. Yeah, I mean it's what the
Senator Inowi who was a Democrat who was
the chairman of the committee looking
into Iran Contra back in the 80s the
Reagan years a and he said um beware now
he's the one who said there exists a
shadow or secret government that's above
the US government that has its own
funding mechanism its own air force its
own navy that's above the law and free
from the law itself I'm almost quoting
you can look it up it's in our archive
How do they stay coordinated in the
world of like smartphones and stuff
where you know
how the the regular guys at NSA don't
have the level to keep that organization
out because they have technologies that
penetrate time space that go beyond
electromagnetic conventional encryption.
So, do you think you've met any members
of this majestic 12 or or magic? Okay.
Course I have for sure. For sure.
Interesting. And that's why you know
back in '92 Yeah. Well, I was on Patrick
David's show a couple weeks ago and he
said, you know what kind of I said,
well, in '92, General Stubbleine offered
me $2 billion. Yeah. To be part of his
little cabal of goostepping fools. And I
said, what did he say? What did So
Stubbleine is what? Army counter intel.
He was I think at one time he had been
head of army intelligence and special
forces and um whole career but his
career dealing with UFOs goes back to
the 60s. Really? Yes. So when did I had
an intel source who had worked with him
way back then? Now remember this is
1992. So this is 33 years ago in May.
Um, and Bet David thought there's no way
that was a serious I said, "Oh, yeah, it
was." Because he knew I could make a lot
of trouble for them and that would have
been a bargain, two billion, because
I've caused a lot more trouble. Did they
ever offer to show you a UFO and to so
that you would stop talking?
No. I mean, look, there no amount of
money or threats are going to get me to
stop the mission I'm on. That's to bring
the truth out of this and let us start a
real golden age where we have all these
technologies, you know, super advanced
society. Have you ever seen a UFO not in
the air but in a hanger in like a Oh,
taken to one of those places. I've been
in places where they have been. I have
not seen this. Yeah. Okay. But I have
many many whistleblowers. See, one of
the my gripes with the House Oversight
Committee Yeah. They have not had a
single legitimate whistleblower up there
who's a direct firshand person. M and I
find it very very very odd. Yeah.
Because I I've met and discussed this
with with Grush and Luna and others and
I go here here's a hard drive. Yeah.
Unredacted. Well, you've spoken to David
Grush. Oh, yeah. Well, I met Okay, let's
go back a little bit. Yeah. I met with
Grush when he was still an undercover
uh operative. Okay. And no one knew who
he was. His bosses were the ones I was
providing intel to that helped him and
other people get to find what he found.
Who were who were his bosses? I can't
talk about that. There are people in the
look the the Senate Intelligence
Committee and Senate Armed Services had
authorized and a bill had been written
to form Arrow at the Pentagon and to
have investigations on this. So the
bosses in charge of that at that level
of intel were the people who wanted him
to go out and one of them set up this
meeting between me and and and Mr.
Grush. Um and do you like David Grush?
Do you feel like do you find him to be
an honest actor? Oh he absolutely what
he said about what he found but again
he's secondhand.
My whistleblowers are direct firsthand.
He has said that he's actually had
firsthand knowledge since getting that
critique. So, and I don't know exactly
what that is, but well, he's been pulled
into some, but the problem is he got
attached to a gentleman named Luis
Alzando who is mainly there to provide
partial truth and this is what I was
talking about earlier. So if if you put
out some information and then attach the
disinformation to it, there's a threat,
we need to, you know, go to World War II
in an alien battle, we don't have um
these technologies ourselves. We've
never developed that advance. When I
have direct people who've worked on,
built and flown the man-made UFOs,
right? So these are your high value
target whistleblowers. You have a
whistleblower who's flown uh an alien
reproduction vehicle, a UFO that we've
and more importantly the man who managed
all the pilots who flew them out of
Edwards Air Force Base Edwards complex.
Did he say what it was like to fly in a
UFO? Well, they're control from 1G. Wow.
So in other words, they could be going
200,000 miles per hour, stop, make a
turn, and now your if you were in a
conventional aircraft, even if it could
go that fast, your no your brains would
come out through your nose from the kill
you. Oh yeah. G forces would just
splatter you. But they can control. So
really what they are, they're moving in
an electromagnetic field, space-time
bubble, so that they can move as if
there's none of that gravitational
effect. Did he say he was feeling like
he would feel like he was going fast or
it was You can feel mostly like 1g or a
little lighter. Wow. So, yeah, you don't
feel that uh centripal force or centrif
Well, if they do it right. They have.
They've had some terrible disasters.
Uhhuh. I know a man two different people
who've been on the retrieval teams of
the triangular ones. Ah, so North
Grumman, my uncle was on the team that
designed the lunar module, the first man
on the moon. Oh, that's cool. And uh his
whole career is North Grumman. Now, this
was not his portfolio, but he heard
things, right? Because he was a senior
project manager, eventually moved out
from Long Island at Beth Page where they
actually designed and built the lunar
module, landed on the moon with Neil
Armstrong to California. But he was this
was not his because you know those
special projects let's call them within
Northrup Grum and Lockheed Skunkworks
are hermetically sealed from their
normal business of jets and rockets and
whatever you know the normal stuff
that's true of all these corporate
contractors it it has to be because I
think about like you know China's eating
our lunch in hypersonics right now so
like how is that possible and consistent
with the fact that we have hyper light
drive ships you know like those two
thing, but there so they just don't talk
to each other. You have these secret
black programs. They don't even know
each other exists.
They don't know each other exists. And
so the problem with that little of
secrecy that Eisenhower foretold
is that that entity can then take on a
life its own because of their
technological capabilities, but not only
in energy and propulsion, but in
surveillance. Right? So we haven't
talked about that yet. Uh and this is
where you get into the really high end
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little bit that I've been talking about
since 1990. Um so the cheap end of it is
the remote viewing program that the CIA
had, right? That's just the innate
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sure. So then why aren't that this cuz I
but I mean it it's not like you know
it's not like some science fiction you
hit a button and someone becomes an
automaton. I mean the automatons like
Jake talked about, Jake Barber talked
about who are these P3 operators go
through a rigorous training program so
they can become like almost like a
machine human machine interface between
the people controlling them and the ET
vehicles. Mh. So it's a very elaborate
program. But what I tell people is that
in the mid to late 50s, I I had met a
man who invented kind of a headset like
he's wearing that would uh basically put
you in a state in consciousness so you
could remote view distant places. 56.
Wow. And he offered it to me. I said,
"This is gonna be too hot to handle. I'm
It's dangerous enough what we're doing.
I'm if I have that, I'm a dead man."
Mhm. So, but the man was in his 80s by
then cuz that was 50s six. This would
probably been in 93 or 4. Mhm. Um, all
kinds of people started coming to me in
the early 90s after we had four ET craft
materialize in the air in Florida near
Pensacola. Yeah. That my whole intention
was simply to go out and attempt to make
peaceful contact with groups of people
with the ETSs. But once the intelligence
community saw that we knew how to do
that, they came after me like a pack of
Rottweilers. So yeah, I want to tell
that story like how you got nasty bit of
business. So So you were you were an ER
doctor and then you just did you just
feel inspired to start going out and
doing C5 protocols or how did this how
did this all begin? Well, that's a very
long
story. Excuse me. Bless. I just so
people know, I just had emergency
surgery last night for a ruptured
appendix. Yeah, it's amazing that he's
here.
It's I mean I'm an open book folks, but
I mean it was like oh my god. And as a
doctor emergency doctor I go this is
bad. My assistant Raven when we go we go
straight from Houston and drive to the
Texas University Hospital. I can't
believe it. And a friend of a friend
knew a doctor a surgeon there who could
like open me up and do it. But wow. You
know it was you know I I got home from
the hospital. You seem great to me. Oh,
well, people say, "You're a [ __ ]
machine." Anyway,
but well, you know what I told uh J I
texted Jake before I got here. Yeah. And
I said Winston Churchill said, "Never
never never give up." Yeah. So, you just
keep going. Yeah. Always. Yeah. But no,
it's I'm been a little woozy. I hope I'm
being coherent here. No, you're being
super coherent. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That's
why I'm having some matcha. Yeah. There
you go. You're good. You're on point.
So, okay. So, so the origin story. So,
you're an ER doctor? Well, I had a
sighting first. Okay. You had a sighting
in when I was eight or nine. Wow. Yeah.
With a bunch of kids in the
neighborhood, my twin sister in
Charlotte, North Carolina, where I grew
up. And uh cuz I did a chapel residency
that so I'm a North Carolina guy. Mh.
And um broad daylight, perfectly
seamless disc. Mhm. About 1963 probably.
Wow. See, three four around the time
Kennedy was killed. Mhm. And I went,
"Wow, that's a UFO as a little kid."
Now, my parents thought we were just
like making stuff up, right?
Parents should believe their children
when they see stuff. Anyway, so um so I
ignited an interest that I had lifelong.
Then my uncle, I just mentioned, was
working on putting the first man on the
moon, which happened in ' 69 when I was
14. I just turned 14. And so I was got
very interested in all of that.
And then uh when when I was 17, it was
my last year of high school, I got very
sick. I got injur I had an injury and
got infected. And I grew up, people
don't know this, in a shack, very poor,
no heat, no air conditioning, had a
kerosene heater in the floor. Uh we were
starving on the streets, literally. I
had all we had all kinds of problems.
So, I had ended up getting on my own and
had a apartment in high school. Uh, I
was tall and hairy, so everyone thought
I was 20 when I was 16. It's a hilarious
story. And so, I washed pots and pans at
a Red Lobster to get through high school
and then would bicycle to school, but I
got worn down and I got very sick. I had
a near-death experience. So my parents
were didn't believe in God, didn't
believe in anything, didn't believe in a
soul, didn't believe in an afterlife,
didn't believe in consciousness.
And then this I went, "Well, were they
wrong?" There's a whole new cosmos out
here. So I had this amazing near-death
experience which introduced me to the
whole science of consciousness,
right? So six months, so about a month
later or a couple months later on my
18th birthday, I learned meditation.
Mhm.
Back in the day, now I'm dating myself,
1973 when the the whole zeitgeist was
transcendental meditation and the
Maharishi and all that. Yeah. So, I
learned to meditate and I had these
amazing experiences in consciousness
like cosmic consciousness, beautiful
experiences. And that's where the
near-death experience was. Well, thank
you God that actually helped get me on a
path. But 6 months later, October 73,
I'm up in the mountains of North
Carolina. If you're in the Blue Ridge
Mountains up near Boone, and there's a
some m So I climbed up this mountain up
over 5,000 ft. And I'm up there before
sunset to meditate. And um I look up and
that same
craft, well, it looked the same. I can't
say it was the same one uh that I saw on
when I was a kid, when I was eight. Now
I'm 18. Just turned 18. Appears in the
afternoon sky, crystal clear October
day. What did the craft look like? It
was a a disc, a seamless disc. Um not a
thin disc, but like you know, kind of
that shape. Mhm. And seamless the sun
shining off of it fully materialized.
And then it didn't move off. It just
disappeared. Wow. Because the
interstellar ones could do it. They can
be here and just boom. Mhm. So I went,
"Oh, they're back." I didn't think
anything about it, right? I said, "Oh,
that's cool. Another sighting." So I sit
to meditate and go in this deep
meditation. And at the end of it, I come
out of it and I it was very long, longer
than I thought it had gotten dark. So
this is near sunset when I saw the
craft. And it's October
73.
And it was kind of beautiful because I
looked up and you could see the whole
Milky Way galaxy. It was crystal clear.
And you're up over 5,000 ft up in the
Blue Ridge. And uh at that moment, a
beautiful thought came and said, uh
beware what a beautiful universe God has
made. M and with that I'd noticed over
the rise of the top of the crest of the
mountain where I was there was a fire
tower I was sitting at the base of the
locals called it a fire tower. North
Carolina it's a fire tower not a fire
tower. And uh I looked there was a glow
and then there was this creature that
came over and he she I don't know was
maybe about 5t tall beautiful deerlike
eyes came over and touched me on my
right shoulder. Mhm. And my at that time
I had a long hair and a lot of hair. And
my hair went boing and it just stuck up.
Uh, and then I boom sort of vanished on
this craft for about I thought it was 40
minutes or so or half hour to an hour
somewhere and it was like four hours.
Wow. Because time space is different and
that's where we sort of co-created and
invented the C5 contact protocols we
use. So you kind of downloaded it from
that experience. Yeah. Or I was it was
it was collaborative. It was like me
experiencing that state of consciousness
as a human in 1973 and them
understanding humans from where they are
which is thousands of years in the
future. Wow. Right. So it was this very
people say metaphysical. It wasn't. It
was very physical but very and very real
but very almost like a lucid dream
because when you go into that state it's
it's almost like a lucid interface
between 3D and four and five and 6D you
know I mean it's very abstract in a lot
of ways but are there ancient versions
of this protocol or okay native peoples
I think this is all such a revelation to
just the last few hundred years since
the scientific revolution where we threw
threw the science of consciousness and
spirituality out with the bathwater.
Right. Right. Because it fell into the
Middle Ages as a superstition and then
burning witches at the stake and and all
that that the scientific revolution said
we don't want any part of that. Yeah.
But I think we're going to come into a
time where the science of consciousness
and this understanding is going to merge
and I and I know Jake Barber and others
understand this with other what we call
science because it is a science. Um and
that's what I discovered by studying the
vas and the ancient Sanskrit from India.
It's not Hinduism by the way predates
Hinduism and Buddhism and so that so
after this experience don't they have
flying saucers in the text as well. Oh,
absolutely. The Bhagavagita and the
ancient the manas. Yeah. And these are
thousands of years old. They predate
Christ, Krishna. They predate all those
and there's like spinning mercury at the
center or something. There's Well,
that's maybe okay. You know, but
definitely there were objects like that
recorded thousands of years ago. So, I
said, well, there's really nothing that
new under the sun, right? You know, but
so at what point do all these
intelligence and military people enter
your life? You have Colonel John
Alexander who has a long history in
ufology uh often debunking thing trying
or attempting to debunk his job. Look,
people do what they're told to do. Okay.
Okay. Look, I mean, if you're if you're
someone on the payroll and you're told
you do this or we kill you or or if you
do it, we'll make you very wealthy and
comfortable for the rest of your life.
Yeah. Most people aren't going to do
what I'm going to do. Is that why I said
sit on it and rotate to the stubble by
I'm sorry it' be vulgar. The two
billion. Yeah. Do you have that in
writing the offer? Oh god. Of course
not. Don't be naive.
No, but it was I witnessed to I mean he
then went to my wife tried to convince
her. But what I'm saying is that most
people have a price. Yeah. In either
blackmail, threats or money or position
or power. Like I've known a couple
billionaires. All they wanted to do is
get access to the secret technologies.
Uhhuh. And understand and see stuff.
Bigalow was one of those cuz I knew him
at the Rockefeller ranch in 93. M right
when Rockefeller hosted all these folks
and Lawrence Rockefeller right yeah
hosted and he he did he fund some of
your work as well early on he did and it
got intercepted by some people on his
team who were knocks nonofficial covers
for the CIA it's so interesting though
Rockefeller you have Melon Rockefell
like all these old families seems very
interested in this sort of tech not just
interested but involved involved okay
now Lawrence was the philosopher king of
the family David he seemed like a good
guy Lawrence totally Yeah, but he was
surrounded by devils. These people get
so they don't know it. They get
surrounded by these operatives. And it's
like, you know, the expression smile,
smile, and be a villain. I've never
heard that, but Oh, yeah. Interesting.
Well, in literature. Uhhuh. Boy, we need
to reinstitute education in Sorry. Catch
me up. I know. I'm I'm terrible. You
imagine growing up. My four daughters
are over. If I used a word they didn't
know, I adistic. I They go look it up. I
think we need more uh more shaming
around uh cultural illiteracy like I
just displayed. So, I I appreciate that.
I'm now extra motivated. No, no, I'm
just I'm just ribbon you. Um don't take
me too seriously about that, but um
you're a smart guy. Uh but you know it
was it was quite clear that Lawrence had
greatest intentions but he also he had
said this to me his brother David
Rockefeller and Jay Rockefeller who had
been chairman of Senate Intelligence as
Senator Senator Rockefeller from West
Virginia. They were jumping up on his
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the ranch, the Jy ranch. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. The in the Rockefeller ranch in
the Tetons cuz the Rockefellers owned
the Tetons, the whole ranch, and gave it
to the US government. And then they kept
out this beautiful ranch. And that's
where the Clintons would go that in the
summer for vacation to learn about this.
But um the uh ranch had this beautiful
cabin on at lodge and we were laid one
night out on the deck and he and and he
said uh I asked him I said look now this
is 90 9 September of 93. Mhm. And
remember I'm very new to this um but I'm
got pulled in very quickly after the
intelligence community realized that we
could make contact. Mhm. Um, but there
were people who were friendly to this.
So, you have the white hats and the
black hats, let's say.
That there were people who wanted this
to get fixed and people who never wanted
this to come out, right? So, the ones
who don't are implacable enemies. The
ones that do try to help, whether
they're doing it overtly or covertly.
And Lawrence was trying to help. He was
trying to help but his
his nephew the senator Jay Rockefeller
and his brother Chase Manhattan chairman
of Chase Manhattan. David Rockefeller.
Yeah. Which became Yeah. David. Yeah.
They didn't want he he said they are
already jumping up and down on my nuts.
That's what he said. For even having
this meeting with you. Yeah. So I said
no. So cuz I'd asked him I said we need
help. Yeah. And you can help us. So you
feel like he got kind of styied by his
family family and later by people on his
team that betrayed him because he was
funding John Mack as well, right? Yes.
That was part of the betrayal and he I
think because he he was he was moved his
funds over into people who meant well
like John Mack. I knew John Mack pretty
well. But did you like John Mack? Did he
find him to be an honest actor? He was
doing the best he could with what he
knew. Yeah. So but he's kind of a hero
of mine. I think he's great. But but no,
but if you're working with only two
cards out of a 52 52 card deck. Yeah. So
he had two cards out of the 52 cards for
the audience. John Mack, head of the
Harvard psychiatry department, did all
the work with the abductions and stuff.
Exactly. Childhood friend of Bud Hopkins
who got into all these reg started
regressing people and but what they
didn't know every one of those cases
that were being funneled to him Yeah.
were all done by humans. None of them
were actually. I want to get into this
with you because you've said so one of
the most famous cases abduction cases in
you know US history that I think the
Obama's production team is now making a
a show on for Netflix or a movie on is
the Betty and Barney Hill case of 1961
and you say that that was perpetrated by
humans and not aliens. Well I I it very
likely was but only because the
mechanism how it happened would not be
consistent with interstellar
transdimensional technologies. Mhm. We
also know that by that date, I think
when that 61 or something like that, we
already had fully operational man-made
electrogravetic craft with people who
were made to look like aliens and stage
it's called stage craft doing this. Now,
John Mack didn't know that. Bud Hopkins
didn't know that. You think we could do
that one? We absolutely could have.
Really? So, what I'm saying is here's
what I'm trying to say. I want to be
very clear on this. M I'm not saying no
one's had contact with ETSs. I did. I
wouldn't be here if I hadn't had that
contact. Jake had that consciousness
contact with the egg he picked up. Mhm.
Um profound and I did too. Uh in 73,
but and it was beautiful. And these
civilizations are completely
not only are they benign, they're they
be closer to an angel than a demon.
But that's what some of your critics say
is you summon stuff and it can be not
always good, you know. Oh, well, I mean,
those are the religious nuts that are
like, you know, end of the world
esquetology fanatics, but there have to
be some bad like just like us, right?
Aren't there some? I'm sure there are,
but they're not allowed out of their
solar system. It's like, oh, I know
that. So, you think that's like I know
what the I know what the protocols are
for, let's say, real space command, not
the US space command. Do you believe in
anything demonic in that world? In the
world of the ET thing? Well, see, now
you just mixed up two of the three
categories that I elucidated. There are
extraterrestrial vehicles or NHI craft.
There are man-made lookalikes in
faximiles and there are things from
other dimensions that are really nasty.
Okay. That are not extraterrestrial. And
you're saying if you but they're being
deliberately conflated by people like
Jim Smivan and Alzando and others to
gaslight people in Congress. But
wouldn't Jo have said that too? Wouldn't
he say because in the 80s he got taken
in by that organization. You think Jo is
is co-opted by He absolutely did get
really 100%. We know know who did it,
how they did it, what he got. Can you
say anything more? No, I won't. I'm just
saying, wow, we are not going to
tolerate people who spread knowingly or
unknowingly disinformation that could
lead to an interplanetary war and the
termination of life on Earth. That's
what that agenda is. Don't be naive. How
do how do you get the minds and hearts
of people Yeah. to unite against some
totalitarian global threat unless
they've been brainwashed for decades
with abductions and mutilations and
false images and Hollywood movies.
That's what that is. It's it's a CIA
psychological warfare operation. I don't
get that vibe from Jacqu Valle though. I
think he's a little deeper as far as
he's much deeper now. Yeah. No, he's
he's completely come out of that. Okay.
But back in the day Uhhuh. Like I
astronaut Ed Edgar Mitchell invited me
to uh brief the board of knowetic
sciences back years ago. Cool. Yeah. And
Jacqu Fole and I were there for this
weekend of this retreat. Um eventually
Claybourne Pel Senator Pel came. That's
really Claybourne Pel is you know
Senator who was Biden's closest mentor
and he was part and Claybourne Pel I
found out later after he died was part
of this cabal. Well, he was interested
in all this stuff. But he was also
carrying water for that organization.
Interesting. Yeah. So now look, I mean I
this has been a 35 years. When you say
that organization is that magic or this
transational thing we gave you the
graphic for you guys can show to the
public. Well, it is interesting what was
rumored. So the MJ12 documents came out
from 84. It was a string of documents 84
into the '90s. And um in the Majestic 12
was a guy named Delev Bronc. And Det
Bronc was, I believe, president of the
Rockefeller Foundation for a little bit.
Yes. So, look, all the big
industrialists.
So, first of all, let's ratchet this
back a little bit. Yeah. Sure. What the
definition of fascism is nowadays, if
someone disagrees with you, you're a
fascist. Everyone's a Nazi. Everyone's a
fascist. Right. Right. Let's put that
aside. The actual definition of fascism
is very powerful industrial corporate
interest taking over and overly
influencing the government of we the
people and and corrupting it or moving
it in the direction so that the
government is serving the interests of
those large oligarch corporate interests
those so in the industrial revolution
and era it would have been that crowd JP
you know Morgan Rocke now it's the big
tech companies and others. We know how
it works. You know, I have a guy who is
with NSA who was in meetings with some
of the senior seuite people at a major
tech and telecommunications company sort
of colluding. Well, we know from Snowden
completely illegal stuff, right? We know
we know from Snowden they had back
doors. They had Bull Run and Prism and I
don't think this was done unbeknownst to
Google and Apple and so we No, it was
with their cooperation. Yeah. All right.
But it it reaches a point where it also
becomes collusion between that element
within what is being called the deep
state which is a misnomer in a way
but let's just call it that and these
corporate interests because they they
have an interest in not letting the
public know the truth because the truth
leads in
inexorably to the release of the tech
that's going to terminate oil, gas,
coal, nuclear, wind, solar, hydroelect
electric, all of it. What do you think
of Bob Lazar? So Bob Lazar, obviously
famous, you know, UFO whistleblower
claimed to be at S4, a special
compartment of Area 51, 1987. Uh, some
files get put on George Knap's desk from
this uh CIA cargo pilot named John Lear
saying, "Here's this guy, Bazar, and you
know, he's been reverse engineering
craft, and the craft looks like Billy
Meyer's sports model. It's this, you
know, UFO." Do you think Bob Lazar is is
legit? and actually worked uh at Area 51
on reverse. You know, I have had no one
corroborate that. So, if you look follow
what I do, if I have information
on the UFO's interest in our nuclear
programs, I'll have half a dozen, a
dozen guys who don't know each other who
have not colluded or or synced up their
stories to confirm that. I've not had
anyone confirm his presence there at
that time and what he actually saw.
Yeah. Now, I think he probably saw
something. He was there a short time.
Mhm. So, what he might have been
provided was part information and part
disinformation and a controlled leak
happened, I think, to gaslight. Okay.
So, let me explain how very
sophisticated counter intelligence
works. Again, you have information as
that's the sweet candy on the outside,
but then quite unwittingly, I think he
could have been given some false
information because things were
beginning to come out and they wanted to
to gaslight people off the path. He
admits that he says maybe I because he
was forced to drink a liquid and then he
was given information that looked like
the same information Rick Dodie gave
Linda Molton How and Paul Benowitz in
79. Happens all the time. Yeah. Happens
all the time. Interesting. Yeah. So you
think like that's what's so tough about
this topic is there's always disinfo
riddled in the info and then you but
that's been that's been my job is to
pull that together. I call it the
disclosure matrix or the disclosure
mosaic. Actually the mosaic is like you
want to create a accurate picture and
you have to get a thousand piece billion
pieces. It's just so hard and put it
together. It's so hard to talk about
because even like I you know bringing up
the Majestic 12 that's like seen as a
joke but then you could say oh maybe
James Jesus Angleton who's running
counter intel for the program for
decades actually kind of pushed this and
there were there were elements of you
know falsifiable things sprinkled in to
some that's what I think you know yeah I
know but like but then you say it but it
has this like jokey connotation MJ12
like come on MJ12 you know it's a it's a
great tactic but look that whole
operation. Everyone says military
intelligence is an oxymoron.
It isn't. I mean, there there are some
incredibly brilliant people. Yeah.
Particularly in these scops dealing with
this. What's your process? And they're
very very slick and they're very good.
How do you know? So like somebody, you
know, like Randy Anderson who I've
interviewed who, you know, said he was
taken down to an underground facility,
you know, at Crane, Indiana, and he he
again came to you first. And so I want
you should have you should be given a
lot of credit for all these
whistleblowers who were coming out. Um
or Jake Barber who said he was red
teaming you initially. He came to kind
of infiltrate your camp. How do you
verify that somebody is, you know,
actually has your best interest at heart
and is being truthful to you? Cuz for me
it on just being very real often it's
like vi I think I've gotten certain
things wrong and I think I I just try to
you know uh uh sus out people's energy
but then also obviously look for as much
cross corroboration that isn't
correlated with the source but like I
have to have you know a certain
percentage of humility where it's like
I've probably gotten things wrong before
and so absolutely you feel the same way
or do you look the 1997 briefings we did
for Congress off off site at the
hotel. We had somebody made it very far
into that process. Mhm. Who uh and thank
God my military adviser
and uh and and uh I think it was Edgar
Mitchell and one of my other
whistleblowers were at the bar with this
guy late one night, the night before we
had the meeting for Congress. And the
day before we had had a gathering so all
these whistleblowers could get to know
each other, create an aspree decor, you
know, kind of make them feel safe
because they're all doing it together
because it's scary. Mh. And um this this
guy that we thought was legit started
paddling on with some absolutely
provable false information. And some of
his information was true, but he was
going to fold in and embellish it into
things that were false. Mhm. And I got a
knock on the door at 3:00 a.m. and said,
"This guy is putting in stuff that we
absolutely know his fault." I said, "Ask
him to go home." So, I pulled him out of
the meeting. So, guy, the guy hates my
guts, right? Because he this is going to
be his thing to stand up from. I mean,
Dan Burton, who was chairman of
oversight committee uh for the House,
who was issued a thousand subpoenas for
Bill Clinton, right, during the Monica
Lewinsky and all that nonsense. So I
said, "No, he's out." So look, yes, of
course. I mean, I'm one man, but and I
have mostly a volunteer team, the high
place, the wellsplaced people, but yeah,
I mean, I have I've been gas lit and and
deceived and betrayed and ultimately
it's like what I was saying, ye shall
know them by their deeds. But what do
they do? Eventually, someone's gonna
show their ass, right? And then they're
out, you know? And for me, I know it
sounds rough, you get one bite at that
apple, right? Because what we're dealing
with at the level of of say a president
or congress or the public information is
that this is too important a matter to
be allow someone who's in there sort of
telling halftruths. And this is why I
will immediately separate with someone
who coingles known false information
with information. Now, if they do it
unwittingly, it's okay as long as they
correct it. If they're doing it
deliberately, like Luis Alzando, it's a
bridge too far. Now, I'll forgive
anything if someone comes clean. Right.
What's the daylight between you and Lou
Alzando as far as the substance you were
because I mean I think you're putting
out keep interrupting me, but I will
tell you if you'll let me finish. Yeah,
sure. Number one, he tells people and
has told people consistently, we don't
know what these are. Now he's changed
that a little because he has to. Then he
said they're a threat to the national
security. The implication being the NHI,
non-human are a threat, which if that's
the case, then we're going to go to
World War II in a Star Wars fiasco. And
it's a complete false nar. He's kind of
walked that back though. Well, he has to
because we're going to this is we're
done with that. And then he would also
say we don't have anything that flies
like that. So, like when David Fraver
and I first spoke, who is the F-18
Hornet pilot,
and it was a serendipitous meeting
because there's a band called Godsmack
that's a heavy metal band. Yeah. And the
lead guy, Sully Arnas, a friend of mine,
and it turned out he lived across the
road from David Fraver. Ah. Because his
daughter had backed into his mailbox and
broke it and they he went, "Oh, it's
David Fraver." Really funny. The
universe works in strange ways. That is
a crazy synchronicity. So Sully Arna
calls me up says this God spat lead
singer guy and he and I go, "Well,
really? He's your neighbor?" "Well, get
him on the horn. Let's talk." Yes. This
some years ago. And David goes, "Oh,
yeah. That was, you know, it had to be
alien." I said, "Sir, with all due
respect, that was how the Loheed Skunk
works." Really? That made the craft.
Yeah. That was one of ours. And and he
is now so FAR because Fraver wouldn't
say that now. Oh, he did say so
recently. But in front of Congress he
says I said. Well, they he's been told
since then. He's corrected. So I said
no. That came out of the Lockheed skunk
works. It's one of ours. It was
something that they did on purpose to
see our this global organization to see
how our military would react. So you
think that tic tac was was skunk works?
Wow. In the book we're going to give
you, there's a a a very good account of
it from 1967
over Pennsylvania, and we have a
whistleblower who saw it being offloaded
out of a a big ship uh out of the uh in
1991, I believe. So, yeah, that's ours.
That was that was And then later, very
recently, a Lockheed executive admitted
to David Fraver that was theirs. Really?
But I knew that I knew from the first
time I saw it, I said it was all over
CNN. I go, "That's not extraterrestrial.
It's one of ours." But but David Fraver
feels pretty nononsense to me. Do you
think he's like No, he is a totally
straightup guy. Yeah. But let me unpack
this a little bit if if you'll let me
and just stay with me for a minute. If
you're a if you're a pilot flying jets,
which are circa 30s, 40s, 50s, or a guy
doing stuff with rockets like Mr. Musk,
which is circ 1940s, right? the V2 that
Ver von Brown so a rocket they're
fancier now and better computers it's
the technology is very old it's a Roman
candle a Chinese candle going up and
blowing up periodically so this is
primitive junk I mean it's all junk so
it is compared to what we have out in
these covert programs
so you have no foundation to have been
read in if you're a F-18 pilot. Why
would you be read into something the
president of the United States isn't
read into? But why wouldn't And so the
same is true if you're working for an
aerospace company, but you're working on
the conventional end of it. So they're
they're not they're saying the truth as
they know it. And the danger here's the
danger. I want to get to this big key
point.
If you don't know, there are three major
things going on. ET, man-made, and this
weird stranger thing sort of
extradimensional spooky stuff and that
they're deliberately being co-mingled to
offiscate, hide the truth, you're going
to get it wrong. So that is the core of
how the psychological warfare operations
work because most people and this is
from whether you're the president or the
king of England you're not going to know
enough unless you've done a huge deep
dive into this which has been my task to
try to unravel this mess because when I
started out I thought everything that
went bump in the night was alien. I did.
Mhm. 90, you know, early on. And it
wasn't until I started having people
come forward who said, "Oh, we piloted
these." And then I had guys come forward
who had actually been on the abduction
squads made to look like aliens. Whoa.
And they said, "Oh, no." You met people
who've like committed those crimes.
Yeah. And they feel terrible later in
life. So if they were very young, they
were young guys doing it. Now they're
like 70, 80 years old, they feel
terrible about what they did. They
regret it. But they said, you know, if
we talk about this publicly, they will
absolutely kill us because that's the
heart of the secrecy. It's the mind
control stuff, the sort of psychological
world. Let they want everyone to believe
there's a threat from out there because
the card they want to play that Veron
Brown warned about on his deathbed to my
friend Carol Rosen was they want to
create an alien threat to unite the
world in this sort of dystopian, not a
golden age, but a dark age of
militaristic totalitarianism.
So if Lou and his guys move in that
direction, I got to call it out. And
people say, "Well, you're you're not
very friendly." I said, 'N no. I said,
'We got to protect the human future. I
mean, where are we going to end up?
Yeah. And where's the end of this
algorithm going? You run this algorithm
like they're doing it. Oh, we don't have
any craft like that because they don't
want the National Military Command
structure to know that something they
encounter like Mr. Fraver did was ours.
And therefore they'll say, "Oh, it's
alien. Oh, therefore, we're going to
engage in this war. This is how you
start wars. This is how you get in
disasters like after 9/11 when we went
into Iraq and and Saddam Hussein had
nothing to do with that." And he didn't
have the weapons of mass destruction.
This is how you connect the next big
war. This is what happened with COVID.
They took a dangerous virus. It got
loose and then they shut the world down.
even though the World Health
Organization admits now that was a big
public health mistake. So the problem
becomes this being mishandled by this
president and Congress because this all
going to come out in the next year or
two will be a thousand times worse than
with the mishandling of COVID or 9/11.
So, we we're I'm out of we're out of
time to get the information out in a
truthful way, but a truth that can lead
to a future that is a golden era of
peace, prosperity, a pristine planet
that gets fixed, the end of poverty, and
peace here and in space. You cannot have
peace on Earth and engage in war in
space. I would hope agreed. Well, I
would I would But that's Stop. Yeah, but
it's the people that you're talking
about. Yeah, it's the
inescapable conclusion of what they're
saying opens the pathway to that. This
see protecting the human future and
consciousness of of what kind of world
we're going to have. That's actually my
central mission. It's not the disclosure
project. I would hope that if David
Fraver got told by a locked exec, hey,
this is one of ours, he would come clean
about. Well, my assistant can look it
up. I think it did come out somewhere.
Okay. Interesting. But that Yeah, that
makes me uh uh disappointed in favor if
that happens because I would love for
him to No, no, he's he's his view. No,
wait. See, that's wrong. Okay, don't be
impetuous. I'm trying not to be. Don't
be impetuous. You have people who speak
the truth as they know it, right? But
they're only given So, he didn't trust
the Lockheed executive. He He's hearing
other sources telling him other things.
No, no. I'm saying before that his
comments what he said. But I I would
hope that you'd then he'd then correct
the record. He'd then say I think he
probably has by now. Oh, interesting.
But I think he has. I mean, he's a
stand-up guy. Mhm. Seems like it to me.
Yeah. And and u the problem is many of
these people who are great guys get
intercepted by people who are slick
counter inelligence operatives. Anybody
else you think is a bad actor? Look, it
doesn't matter. Here. Here's what the
here it for for your audience. Keep it
simple. If they're denying that we have
these objects, they're either uninformed
or they're disinforming you
deliberately. Mhm. If they say there's a
threat from these objects from out that
are not ours. Mhm. Now, the ones that
are man-made, huge threat to national
security because they're not under the
control of the US military, legal
military or White House or Congress.
Very dangerous. If they say that the
aliens are here for some malevolent
purpose, there may be things from other
dimensions that are quite malevolent and
those deliberately get mixed in with the
aliens. But no, they're not. Because if
they
were, you know, it's like what
Congressman Bchett said, we'd be a a
charcoal briquette floating through
space. Because visualize for a
moment, take what Jake said about
because he's been on your show. I'll
reference him. So, he's been a site
where we've
targeted these ETcraft and down them.
Now, I know I've been at multiple sites
where this is going on and and I know
where they are around the world. They're
in the briefing document I gave you.
There's a map.
Now, they have electromagnetic pulse
weapons. So an electromagnetic pulse is
like when you explode an atomic bomb,
right? And there's a pulse that goes out
that can knock out your whole electric
grid. It's a nuke without the nuke. But
we have taken the nuke without the nuke,
but embedded within that is something
called a scalar signal. Scalar Tesla
described it. It's basically instead of
electromagnetic is a waveform like this,
right? And coherent light is a is a
laser.
where you sync up the wavelength instead
of it being you know waves like this
like on
oscilloscope. A scalar is a point that
goes out
longitudinally faster than the speed of
light. So there is a scalar part within
the EMP
signal that is very disruptive to
interstellar communications and travel.
This is why after we detonated the first
atomic
bomb, the ETSs came in on force in in
mass because it they it not only signal
that we were in trouble that we could go
to a point where we could destroy all
life on Earth, but they also it
disrupted their systems. Do you think
Reagan's Star Wars, the strategic
defense initiative had anything to do
with UFO crash retrievals? Oh, sure. It
was just a front. It was a black budget
front. So the the the whole Star Wars
thing and Brilliant Pebbles was just an
expensive boondoggle. Most of the money
for that went into these black projects.
Wow. The illegal black projects. We'll
get into that in a minute. So, but what
I'm saying here is that these
technologies have been operational since
the late
40s. So, don't see everyone's fighting
the last war. M we figured out I mean
Tesla T Towns and Brown 20s 30s 40s I
mean Tesla was killed in 43. Mhm. Right.
But so the there were massive
breakthroughs in electromagnetism and
things that are to this day still
covert. Those began to be weaponized and
they realized hey there are these craft
that are from here let's get see if we
can knock some down. Yeah. And reverse
engineer them. The the problem
is doing so is an act of war because
we're targeting them. Now, civilizations
that are 10 to the 6th to 10 to the 8th
years more advanced than we are, 100,000
to 10 million years more advanced.
If they were hostile,
we would have been done.
August 1945 over folks, hey kids, you're
done, right? They're not. I know this
from having had contact and everyone I
know who's been on a crash retrieval
team like Jake who's had a close
encounter with the consciousness of
those beings. They are not well the bad
the bad ones might not want to destroy
us. They might want to enslave us or Oh,
you're so brainwashed. I'm just saying.
I'm just hypothesizing. I don't know.
You read you you look at too much
nonsense, man. I mean, look, if they
none of that, that could be done with a
flick of a switch if they wanted to turn
this planet into a automaton planet of
whatever. I mean, what do you think? You
know, I mean, the technologies are so
advanced. You know, this this book is
amazing, by the way, and I I do
recommend everybody read it and buy it
because it's it's a treasure trove of
excellent documentation uh across
decades. One guy in this book is a
really interesting fellow named Bob
Beckwith. And Bob Beckwith wrote about
levitation, uh, teleportation and time
travel. And he also claimed to be
involved with the Philadelphia
experiment in 1942. I knew him. So you
knew Bob Beck with Oh, yeah. Wow. And
and my military adviser was on his board
of directors for his company. So who
because you hear so the Philadelphia
experiment for the audience is you know
that you have this this uh ship uh this
naval ship stationed I believe at
Philadelphia happened in Rhode Island
that was the cover story that's a long
well let's hear it cuz I so and then
here's what's really interesting that
this you might not know about because
this is as of this last month um there's
a guy named Harold Malmgrren and he is a
presidential adviser for JFK LBJ Nixon
and and Ford and he has come out he's
been tweeting a bunch about uh things
that he learned in that capacity and and
getting briefed by Richard Bissell who
is the deputy director of the CIA who
basically founded Area 51 on quote
unquote otherworld technologies. Yes. He
said that a contact of his a high level
intel contact of his from abroad talked
to him about classified work that Tesla
and Towns and Brown did on submarines
together. You have uncovered
collaboration between Nola Tesla and
Thomas Townsen Brown. Yeah, but I said
to you
informally, I did not get that from
any US source. What source did you get
it from?
Foreign intelligence. Do you think it is
a good source? Do you think it's real?
No reason. Why would somebody tell me
that? And so I wonder because I I always
thought the Philadelphia experiment was
kind of quacky even though I've gone
very deep on Towns of Brown. I think
there's a lot to Towns of Brown stuff.
Oh yeah. Brilliant. Yeah. Brilliant.
Yeah. An amazing figure. And also that
for the people that say, "Oh, it's all
electrogravitics and it's not, you know,
and there's no ET component or there's
no UFO component." He had a UFO
interaction that inspired the rest of
his work at the age of 17. So did Tesla
and his mentor uh Dr. Walder Russell.
There you go. The Swanoa Institute. My
house in Virginia is 10 minutes from
Swanoa. Oh, amazing. That's so cool.
Weird
coinc now you have Terrence Howard uh
carrying the mantle of uh Walter
Russell. Um but so do you think anything
happened in the Philadelphia experiment?
And what was your interaction with Bob
Beckwith? Like can we do we have time
travel?
You know, I mean he knew the stuff I
already knew. what I didn't know is what
I wanted him to share with me. Uhhuh.
So, he had invented something called a
nutrino light detector. And now, let me
explain what that is. You know, um, a
nutrino, you can Google what nutrino is,
but these subatomic particles and
whatnot, but what he had invented was a
detector that would pick up nutrino
light, a burst of nutrino. He got a
national security order from the NRO,
National Reconnaissance Office, that
runs all the super secret spy
satellites, so they could seize that
technology to put it on the SATs.
Because what that's used for is when a
nonhuman craft moves out of, let's call
it, transdimensional spaceime into 3D,
there's a burst of this nutrino light
that enables them to pick that up,
triangulate it, and strike the craft to
down it. Wow. So, it's a part of a
weapon detection system. And so, this
genius Beckwith, but he never got to
utilize it because it got seized. Now,
we have a witness who came forward, Eric
Hecker, a couple years ago who worked
for Rathon, and they were put in a
nutrino light system a mile under the
ice at the South Pole. True. And so, one
of the prime bad actors in all this is
Rathon. And um you know, along with
North Grum and Lockheed Skunkworks and
others and he said that caused the
Christ Church earthquake in New Zealand.
Hecker did when they flipped it on the
first time because who knows if they got
the frequencies right. So it's both an
active and passive system. It can pick
up these objects when they let's say
step down out of transdimensional
spaceime into
3D, but they can also be an active
weapon system, a carrier for hitting
them at very very powerful pulses. So
this is the other problem. If you're in
the national military command structure
and you're not read in to the
technologies that this clandestine
criminal organization
has, you're behind the curve very badly.
And my coming of age on that was first
with the director of the CIA for
Clinton. Then in
1997, well, and many other people, but
in 97, I briefed the J2, the head of
intelligence joint staff, Admiral
Wilson. Mhm. And you may know about
that. A memo leaked out from Eric Davis
and I know a lot about it. Well, I was
the briefer. Yeah. So, I was in charge
of the stand-up briefing. Yeah. It was
supposed to be 45 minutes, went on for
two or three hours, and the admiral kept
cancelling meetings. But prior to the
meeting, my military adviser, who knew
him, he had been a senior naval
intelligence
guy, good guy, wonderful guy. Got uh a
briefing document to the admiral and
materials prior to our meeting. And
based on that, Admiral Wilson was able
to run to ground and find some offices
where these operations were going on. He
knew nothing about it and he was the
head of intelligence for the joint
chiefs of staff. Meaning you're putting
the the equivalent of the presidential
daily briefing intelligence brief
together like the director of CIA does
for the president or DNI does uh but for
the joint chiefs of staff. He had no
knowledge of the subject and when he
began to hit pay dirt he got threatened.
He was threatened with being demoted and
taking a star off his lapel which means
a huge pay cut in retirement. And by the
time I got to the meeting, he was a
combination of furious and scared. All
right. So, which I've seen this a
thousand times. I call it P disclosure
PTSD,
which we all have, right? It's serious
stuff. And I mean, if you have that
level of responsibility, you find out
this is going on a whole universe of
this and you're in charge of the
security of the United States. Yeah. And
most of the free world. Speaking of
scary, right? So, so the meeting went on
for a long time, but you know, one of
the existential things at the end of it
was I said, "Well, we really need your
help." Now, this is 28 years ago in
April. It's 97. We really need your help
fixing this problem. He says, "Well, I
don't have access. I've been denied
access." And they flat out said, "You
don't have a need to know." to which he
said I I think paraphrasing if I don't
who does I'm the head of intelligence
joint staff head of J2 it blew him off
so the problem became I I said look he
said who else have you briefed who not
being allowed to know or control this or
the I didn't meet with Clinton
personally but the president the CIA
director and the secretary of defense
Cohen and a bunch of other people and oh
my god I said yes. Now you know how big
the problem is. It's an existential
constitutional crisis.
Much bigger crisis for the United States
and China, Russia, Iran, Middle East. No
one's doing anything about it. It's
dangerous that no one's doing anything
about it. If anyone's listening with the
administration, this should be on your
front burner, not on the back burner.
Speaking of the administration, bizarre
connection between Donald Trump, the
sitting president, and the Philadelphia
experiment is
Exactly. There's not a lot of archival
footage of John Trump who was the
basically uh country's lead in radar at
the time at MIT. Brilliant guy. MIT and
was tasked with going into the FBI vault
that had confiscated all of Tesla's
files and looking at whether any of that
would be of service to national
security. Yep. And so, do you think
Donald Trump due to that might have some
special knowledge on this matter? I
don't I don't think his uncle would have
ever shared that with his his it's like
my my uncle who was with North of
Grumman. Yeah. You know, the things he
told me about were the things I working
on the thing that landed on the moon.
Mhm. In ' 69
when in the late 50s we had things that
could go to the moon and back without a
rocket. Right. But I I if he knew about
it, I don't think he would have even
told me about that because everyone
knows that lethal forces use. North of
Grumman have wet works people who kill
people. So does Loheed, so does Rathon.
So I mean these are thugs. And you know,
Grush's guys, the guys who kind of sent
him out to look into this. Three years
ago when I got pulled into the skiff at
the Senate Intelligence Committee, first
thing I said is that you're dealing with
thugs here. Think of the mafia on super
steroids. It's the largest criminal
corrupt organization in the history
known history of the earth. Period. And
they have the technology and the means
to make your life a living hell, which
mine has been since 1992.
But I I said, "Just be prepared because
I'm I believe in informed consent as a
doctor, right?" So I said, "You have no
idea what you're walking into here." And
boy, within a day or two of that
meeting, the main investigator for
Senate intelligence had two Blackhawks
over his house, unmarked, and he had
access to all flight plans. no flight
plans over his house, shaking the house
with his four children in it with this
guy looking out with the death stare
like you're a dead man staring at him.
So, it's a very dangerous business. Not
if you're talking nonsense. If you're
spreading false information, half
information,
disinformation, no one's going to care.
But if you're actually getting to the
truth like that man was for Senate
Intelligence because he was assigned to
the co-chair and chair of Senate
Intelligence to get to the bottom of
this Rubio who's now Secretary of State.
I tell people
they're going to throw what they can at
you to intimidate you, right? So, you
know, this is I mean for a lot of people
it's a freaking hobby. But the when you
get cut through all that it's deadly
serious stuff. But you know, most
people, they're not going to make it
that far because what's going to happen,
they're going to start on this path and
very quickly they're going to be
intercepted by really professionally
well-trained counter intelligence people
and they're going to go off the mark. I
believe to this day that's what that's
that's Ellando's job. That's Chris
Melon's job. That's uh you know,
frankly, Halputo off's job on energy.
That's that's their job is to divert
people into that dead end culde-sac. I
believe that would be sad about how cuz
I love I love how so I hope that's not
the case. But well, I know for a fact
that I mean he has to do what he's
doing. Okay. His one of his closest
friends is on my team. I know exactly
what they said and what they did to get
him to do what he's been doing. The only
you know the So this is interesting. I
did you know I came up with I'm sorry. I
mean, I I'm at the point that I don't
think people the PE Here's what I think.
Yeah. I said this to your producer.
Yeah. Or friend before we came in here.
Yeah, there
this the the folks who know about this,
they need to come clean truthfully soon
because there is moving through the
system, the ability for a law
enforcement entity I can't name that I'm
providing intel to to go to these folks,
get their information, interrogate them,
and god forbid they lie, they're going
to prison the rest of their life. This
is getting very serious right now. So
people need to either be quiet and not
lie or speak the truth. Yeah. And this
is it is I am making an explicit
advisory here. Well, I I I love that
message and I you know I made this deep
dive on Thomas Towns and Brown. I think
he's this amazing figure who deserves to
be vindicated. And right before I did
it, um Eric Davis got in touch with me
and was like Townsen Brown is a a phony.
And I was I had known enough at that
point. He's counter intelligence. I
didn't I so I don't know. But you know
that? Oh, I've known that
since early 2000s 90. I mean, yes. Oh,
man. Such a bummer cuz all these guys
are, you know, there's so much brain
power. And so, it's a Yes. But think
about it. Uhhuh. You're going to put
really good people out there to carry
the water to mis, misdirect, what have
you. Look, you know, put if put my I can
put myself in anyone's shoes. Mhm. I'm
going to put myself in the shoes of sort
of the ruling pilot bureau of this
covert group. You're going to send
people out who are very well trained.
Some of them go through something called
the farm, which where they're
professionally trained to lie, pass lie
detectors, da da da. They're very well
trained at social engineering. I'm your
best friend. Trust me, wink wink, and
then gaslight you to misdirect you. So,
none of that surprises me. It's what you
would expect if you took seriously what
Wilbur Smith said in the 1950 document.
It's in the briefing document that was
top secret from the Canadian government
that I think accidentally got
declassified. And he said, you know,
about us reverse engineering the ET
craft. But one of his conclusions was he
said no, not a conclusion. He was told
directly that this issue was more secret
than the development of the hydrogen
bomb two levels higher. Uh and that was
in 1950 two years before we had it. And
that was that is how seriously the
secrecy is because they were trying to
figure out the opus operande the modus
operande of the ET craft which means how
they operate. That is and they had not
done that yet. See it was 54 is when
they had the breakthrough. This is 50.
So if you're trying to keep something
like this secret,
you're going to deploy every asset you
can up to and including the president of
the United States, right? Never mind
putting out to, no offense, people new
to the subject who have no intel
background where you can gaslight people
over and over again. And that's true
whether it's you, Joe Rogan, ABC News,
60 Minutes, whoever it is. So that's the
that is the Achilles heel of disclosure
is that for every great person who comes
forward trying to tell the truth, there
are 10 people who are going to say part
truth, part part fiction. And so I'm
just saying that I'm becoming less and
less patient with that. I used to be a
lot more diplomatic than I am now. Like
man, I'm getting old and crotchety.
Well, I'm just out of surgery, too. So
yeah, it's pretty impressive. Well, I
mean, I have a little bit. um some pain.
I I don't take any opioids or or or
narcotics. I'm amazed. Well, I I
wouldn't let him give me even going into
surgery. I said, "No, give me some
toridol non-steroidal." And it's
incredible. Well, to this day, RFK Jr.,
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Oh, he's great.
He's amazing. And he's in the current
administration
uh as as FDA or Health and Human
Services, right? Or HHS. Yeah. He uh
says that his father was not killed by
Sir Han Sirhan but by this guy Eugene
Thain Caesar who I believe was a skunk
works security guard or something. We
look you know I have a letter. It may be
in the book. It's in our archive. Yeah.
And it was his dad Yeah. writing to um a
uh a UFO researcher back in ' 68. It's
dated one month before they killed him.
Wow. And he it said it opens saying I'm
a
card, excuse me. It it says I'm a card
carrying member of the amalgamated
uh Flying Saucer Association of America.
There was such a thing. I went, "Oh my
god, what I so iconoclastic, an
anacronism." And I go, "Wow." You know,
and I get this letter and so I, you
know, years ago I ran into RFK Jr. at
Sundance and 50 Cent was play. I was
given a talk and RFK Jr. had had done
documentary about mountaintop removal
mining, coal mining in West Virginia.
What a environmental disaster. And um
called the the last mountain. I think it
was called the last mountain. It was
great. Um and I told him just briefly
because we were in this crowd, I have a
letter from your dad about this UFO
issue dated a month before they killed
him. Wow. And that's why because if he
he was going to get the nominee nation
and he would have won, but his dad was
super interested in this and also I'm
convinced knew that his brother RF Jack
Kennedy, the president was killed over
this. You think he he was killed over
UFOs specifically? Oh yes. So the the
data points that I have around that are
I believe I don't know if this letter is
real. Maybe you would know if this
letter is real. There's a there's a
letter dated November 12th, 1963, 10
days before he died to John McCone. John
McCone is the acting CIA director
because he had just fired Dulles. Right.
And McCone also was the former uh head
of the Atomic Energy Commission, so he
would probably know a little a thing or
two about the UFO issue. Oh, he would
have. And JFK is saying to John McC, we
need uh to coordinate better with the
Soviets on this issue of quote unquote
unknowns in Soviet airspace so they
don't mistake these unknowns as acts of
American aggression. Exactly. Yeah.
Could trigger World War II. So, do you
think that letter is real? I don't know
the provenance of it. I think it likely
is. It comports with the facts. But
here's the other thing. We have a man
whose interview we have on the audio
tape named Bill Holden who was the chief
steward for Air Force One when Kennedy
was flying over to Berlin where he gave
the famous I am a Berliner speech. And I
I debriefed this man and on that flight
he brought there were some papers and on
one of the papers there had been a big
UFO sighting uh that was on and and uh
so he brought this up to the President
Kennedy and Kennedy said and the man
broke in the tears when he said this.
Kennedy turned to him and says, "I know
this is true and I know these are real,
but the whole matter is out of my hands
and I don't know why." He admitted he
had no control over the issue. Wow.
Which is why he fired Dulles because
Eisenhower had lost control in the late
50s. That extended into the Kennedy era.
And really no president except people
who have been part of that organization
like George HW Bush, Dick Cheney by
extension W have really had any control
over it and or any detailed knowledge of
it. The current president has virtually
no knowledge. It's fascinating and and
uh so President Clinton, you know, his
his his friend of his, Webster Hubble,
who was in the Department of Justice,
wrote a book um forget the name of the
book. Um, and in it he admits that he
and the president were trying to get to
the bottom of a couple things. One of
them was who killed Jack Kennedy and why
and what's going on with UFOs. Of
course, they're related. And then
something about Marilyn Monroe. And of
course, I have a CIA document that's top
secret, not been
declassified. Um, that describes James
Jesus Engleton signed it. Wow. That's a
basic It's in the briefing document.
It's a wire tap of Marilyn Monroe in '
62, a couple days before they killed
her, threatening to hold a press
conference. And that's a real document.
Oh, it is. That's insane. Yeah. Oh, it's
real. I know the guy who took it out of
the vault from NSA. He's an NSA guy. I
got folks who now people say, "Why
aren't you arrested?" I said because
once we briefed all these
people like at the level of the
president and senate oversight
committees and we concluded Mhm. that
these programs were being run illegally
outside the constitution. We declared
them all illegal. Therefore, anyone
listening, if you're in those operations
or have been, they cannot prosecute you
for going around your non-disclosure
agreements. If you bring out documents,
tapes, material, they're open source and
I will release them because all that
material and I've told Jake this are
being have been accumulated under an
illegal operation abusing the National
Security Act and National Security
Provisions when they are in fact have no
protections. So we need to flip the
table here. Instead of these
whistleblowers being prosecuted or
people being killed for trying to get
the truth out, we flip it around where
US law enforcement operating legally
under the Constitution go after the bad
actors. Right? So that's this is where
it's going to have to go and I think it
needs to be non-kinetic, not violent,
but it needs to be done by any means
necessary. But if this is the
foundation, I want to unpack this a
little bit. the foundation of disclosure
project. So not in this book but in our
archive is what's called a UNOD unless
otherwise directed. It's a military
technique used that you write to a a
senior person and it says unless
otherwise directed this is my assessment
and this is what I'm going to do.
they don't have to write back because
then there's no there's no there's
plausible deniability to a sync a
commander-in-chief or you know a
fourstar or something and it's used and
so my military advisor said you know
what we need to do this is by 90 late
97 and after the debacle with Admiral
Wilson and finding out we had one data
point after another after another that
this was an illegal unsanctioned rogue
criminal organization
at that point I said, "Well, we need to
declare it as such and therefore we need
to visiate everyone's non-disclosure
agreements so they can come forward."
That's what we did. So that is 1997. I
put a I think a two or three month clock
on it. So I said, "Unless we're notified
otherwise, our assessment is that these
programs are illegal, corrupt, and
unconstitutional based on the following
facts. The president has been denied
access. The CI director was denied
access. The head of intelligence, joint
chiefs of staff, and other senior flag
officers have been denied access. Senior
members of the Senate and House
oversight relevant committees have been
denied access because by then I had met
with all that personally. This is not
internet, Google crap, conspiracy theory
stuff. So at that point, of course, it
flipped my whole world upside down as a
doctor, but I said, "No, at this point,
we're declaring these illegal." And so
if you're someone at Lockheed, Northrup,
Rathon, CIA, DoD, NSA, the whole
alphabet soup, FBI, and you know about
this, you want to come forward, they
can't touch you. M. Now, the good news
is
now there's a law enforcement entity
that is going to extend immunity to them
and will protect them. So, we have that
in place right now. So, anyone
listening, contact me. We will keep your
name. Look, 80% of everyone's ever come
to me. They're in our archive blackened
out and redacted, right? For a reason.
Because I don't disclose someone's name
unless they say I'm willing to come
forward. like Michael Herrera willing to
come forward. So he did. Mhm. He's the
only person I ever have met who saw
something like that who lived to tell
the tale. It's unbelievable that Carrera
wasn't killed. It's an an amazing story
and a true one. We've had three separate
senior intel and military people confirm
that. So for for the audience, this guy
was uh part of Operation Katana and he
was supposed to go to the Philippines.
His unit was diverted. This Marine Corps
unit was diverted, put put in Indonesia.
They see this eightgon gun octagon uh
Vantablack craft hovering above the
treetops. They're closed in on by these
seemingly S1 special forces. They don't
know if it's special forces, but
nondescript uh uh guys who are very
smooth with their guns and they have
bioscanners and all this kind of, you
know, high-tech. Yep. And um he later
learns from Jake Barber that this was
maybe a human trafficking operation.
Yeah. And that uh they were putting
these psionic assets, these people who
were meant to be shipped back to the US
psionic assets. In other words, they
were people who had been identified with
the uh predisposition
to have those psionic abilities. And
those were being created up and moved
back to some covert places where they'd
be screened, tested. If they passed a
certain level, then they would go
through a rigorous training program.
Most of them end up in comas or die, by
the way. But the ones that survive are
very good at what they're doing. But
they're basically human tools for this
these really evil covert programs to
essentially hack into these uh non-human
craft communication systems that are
interfacing with thought and
consciousness. Do you think there it's
like a super high-end version of
Neuralink and move them over into range
and hit them with an electromagnetic
pulse weapon? There are rumors that like
the the show on Netflix, Stranger
Things, is like real and that Oh, of
course. I've talked about all that stuff
for years.
Montalk and gifted and talented
education programs that I recently met
with a pretty senior person in uh
government who I'll anonymize because I
don't think he wants to be on record on
this but he mentioned um a link between
Battel Memorial Institute and these
gifted and talented education system and
the cabal running these UFO programs
which is that is that is one of the
people one of the in institutes on our
list of Yeah. and they manage all the
nuclear sites all over the US. And so if
they're uh and what's interesting is you
often hear stories of people making it
past checkpoints in these gifted and
talented education programs where you
prove that you have you know some mind
matter capabilities and then you get to
the next thing and then they'll show you
a piece of material and who would have
the material would be battel memorial
institute. So I amongst others. I mean
look there are many there's a whole
military-industrial complex component to
this right. Yeah. There institutes there
all kinds of foundations there you know
it it sort of is is it's it's like a
metastatic cancer that's gone because
look they have a lot of money to spread
around. Yeah. You know, I I met with a
man in 1997 before
uh I was over at the meeting with the CI
director in DC who said, "We have given
at least 10,000 people $10 million each
or more to secure their cooperation with
what we're doing." Now, that was that
was 28 years ago. So, and I know he said
at least. So, I said, "Yeah, I'm sure."
So, you know, what's your price? And if
you have the ability to either be
troublesome to them, you're either
going, it's like uh Gordon
uh that guy who used to publish
uh Flying Saucer magazine. Gordon
Cooper. No, not Gordon Cooper. Kiteon.
Uh oh, Gordon Katon. Yeah. Yeah. He I
interviewed him. He's one of our
witnesses cuz he had been military
intelligence and he published this and
you know all that used to go over to the
palace and um Prince Philip was very
keen on on all of this. I've heard that.
Oh, I know for a fact. Yeah. And so
because I know that the people involved
so he said um if you become too
worrisome as you see this interview is
in our archive there's certain people
who they will erase or do whatever.
So, you know, I think people kind of way
underestimate the reach of this
organization and to extent it has
operative embedded. But of course, the
grand conspiracy theories are false.
Also, Bohemian Grove, you know what,
maybe two of those guys know anything
about this. Trilateral Commission, maybe
two or three do, I think. So, I think
that one of the problems with these
conspiracy theories is that they're not
nuanced and they're all pretty dumb from
the point of view is you can't keep
something like this this secret with a
huge number of people knowing. The
number of people read in or read on to
anything like this in any detail is
going to be very very tightly
controlled. But those assets well
trained, well compensated, wellplaced,
and
so look, I mean, you know, and and they
don't mind killing one of their own.
Yeah. You know, when Bill KBY, who had
been read into this, tried to get a zero
point device to us and about just a
small amount, like $50 million in seed
money in 95. I think the the week he was
going to meet with a member of my board,
they found him floating down the the
river south of DC made to look like a
canoeing accident and his wife knew that
he had been killed. Do you know the Stan
Meyer story? I think you talk about it
in your movie The Lost Century. Uh just
like a car that like ran on water and
like he did. Is is that so was he taken?
He died of an aneurysm and do do you
think he act is that real or his twin
brother who we've met with and who is
really the electronics guy behind all
that Stan Meyer's twin Steve
um absolutely is convinced he was
poisoned and killed and you think that
that well we have 150 substances that
can kill people or poison them you know
so what about pawns fleshman the you
know they fusion yeah cold fusion
exactly I never met them. I certainly
they were on to something and I know
people who did much more souped up
versions of that. All those devices have
ended up being confiscated or the people
erased. Um the guys who bought Stan
Meyer's archive and all his devices. Um
we were trying to get it but we didn't
have the funding. It went to an
engineering group uh up in Michigan and
uh there was a a
man who I didn't know what the m who the
money was behind that. Mhm. So my
science advisor Dr. Loader went and saw
this warehouse full of floppy disc and
devices, but he had one thing of great
interest. We have a picture of it. It's
in our archive,
dpiarchchive.com. And it looks like a
sort of a tooidal electromagnetic. It
had a a magnetically charged fluid in it
and it was a complete free energy
system. So it had a national security
order slapped on it way back but it was
sitting there to acquire and we were
going to try to get it and then open
source it because you know memo to Peter
Teal and everyone else. If you try to
patent this or or or release it in the
normal, let's just say traditional
venture capital way, it'll never get out
ever. You have to dump it open source
off blockchain to a two three billion
people all at once. That's my belief. I
mean, like, well, there's no way. We
know. I mean, this is the whole point of
the law century was to prove I meet with
these kind of geniuses. I just met Yeah.
Yeah. with a Fortune10 company senior
scientist a couple weeks ago. Uhhuh. And
he came to LA to meet with me. Uhhuh. I
was on there's a podcast, Sweetest Lady
EverHu named uh Kloe Kardashian. He was
so she's so sweet. And she just released
yesterday a podcast I did with her. But
she she was so much fun. So sweet. Yeah.
She loves your work. Yeah. I had never
met her. Um she's very very kind and
beautiful person really smart I thought
very smart but she um uh so I was out
there this guy flies in super genius he
can build uh over free energy plasma
things he can do teleportation but the
major corporation he works for aim do it
so he wants to work with us bring it out
and he he I I said look
don't try to do it through patent you
have to open source it. But if you open
source it and you have a reach of a few
hundred thousand people, no one cares.
So I have a network of various
influencers and celebrities and can get
it to two, three billion people all at
once. In which case, you squeeze the
toothpaste out of the tube so hard can't
put it back in. So these fascists that
want to keep us dependent on earth
destroying energy systems forever, you
just say adios. Now what I he has the
ability to build things that teleport
and levitate. I said nope don't touch
those. So so where I think that people
in the administration I've spoken to are
are mirroring that what I'm saying about
to tell you and that is this needs to
get disclosed. We need to do it in a way
where there's a pathway for the people
involved to come clean but not be
imprisoned and not be executed. Mhm.
Because an eye for an eye will leave the
whole world blind. Mhm. Now, if you go
back to
93,45, you'll see what I wrote to the
Clinton administration. It was the same
set of recommendations. Hardcore people
in disclosure say, "Oh, we should round
them up and Nuremberg." I said, "No,
these guys are holding technologies that
are to trump card against everything the
Pentagon has." Yeah. And plenty of them
are just taking orders under threats of,
you know, their families lives. Yes. I
mean, we have to have compassion for
that. But even the worst of the actors
Mhm. they either need to come forward or
put on a leash, right? And sto stood
down. Now, to do that, you're going to
have to have a group of people who are
special forces trained. And that's the
other part of this we can talk about
carefully. Interesting. So, is there
there's a plan maybe to do that? Oh. Oh,
yes. It's already been in place for
about a year and a half, two years that
we So, what does that does that involve
storming Area 51 and Dougway and the
right pad or what what does this involve
literally? Wow. Okay. Well, they either
capitulate to the legal government of
the United States. Yeah. Or they're
declared treasonous operations and then
they're put under proper authority and
oversight. Don't they have the secret
weapons that can like aren't aren't we
unmatched? That's the reason. So, let me
finish the story with Admiral Wilson. We
keep getting diverted. So, at the very
end of the meeting, yeah, he said to me,
he's I asked him, "Can you help?" He
says, "Well, I he
is a B2 stealth bomber that I know
about." Mhm. And you're and I have
learned, he didn't say not what from me,
but what I've learned directly is that
there's an organization that have things
that can do circles, the man-made UFOs,
ARVs around my B2 still. So he says, "So
it's checkmate. It's point set match.
It's over." I said, "No, sir. We cannot.
It is David. The entire United States
legal United States of America
constitutional government is the David
and this organization is the Goliath.
You remember that? Which is why so many
presidents and so many senators and so
many military guys I've met with, they
get to the edge of this precipice and
they go, "God, mother of God," and they
back off. I wonder, but there's a way
around it. Okay.
So, where the Achilles heel of that
organization
is is that their numbers are very
thin. the subject's coming out and they
know the public opinion is going to go
against
them and then the and because their
numbers are
thin they they can be overwhelmed in a
tactical operation. The other thing is
their opsects are very good operational
security but they cannot withstand the
full force of a serious quote
investigation and operation tactical
operation. Now what they do have is
technological superiority and that can
be visiated through some technologies I
don't want to talk about where basically
you can go in and
neutralize. It's fire against fire. But
I'll just tell you, you can go in and
neutralize the facility without a bomb.
And it deal again it deals with
electromagnetic systems that are
advanced scalar systems. And you know
there's a a scientist who talked at our
2023
uh conference right before the national
press club event we did where Herrera
spoke and u he was a senior GE uh
physicist and scientist who specializes
in scalar So look, we have assets where
I could say, "All right, go in, you
know, so you could just, you know, their
man-made UFOs and all their other stuff
can neutralize it." That's all I'm going
to say. But I'm just saying that you
have to have an executive order from the
president to provide the protections to
these high value whistleblowers. You
need personal security. You need to
authorize uh a law enforcement operation
both KONOS and OKONOS United States and
outside continental United States it's
OKONUS
which can be done and then you need to
fund it. It'd be, you know, classified
funding. And then you also need to have
a pathway for when you acquire all this
material out of Doug Way and the Edwards
complex and Lockheed Skunk Works
underground and Northrup's underground
and Rathons. What do you do with it? And
are we're recommending the stuff that
flies is kept secret in terms of it
being it has to be acknowledged. We have
it. We all know we have thermonuclear
weapons, but you can't go to Ace
Hardware store and buy one. So, it it
has to get acknowledged properly, but we
just say right now the world is too
unstable to let every 10p dictator or
terrorist in the world have something
that can go from Mogadishu to DC in 3
minutes and drop a dirty bomb. Right?
There are valid national security
concerns about some of these
technologies and the world is not at
that place. The world is at the place
where something that could sit on this
table
that would run this building without
pollution.
Can we can we and there there what
happens then? The the Malthian problem
gets fixed. Malthusian Malthusian the
Malthusian problem gets fixed because
you have something where you're going to
eliminate in about 20 years global
poverty. Much of terrorism and
radicalization is the have and have not
problem. And because we're so
narcissistic and self turned inward
looking in America, we don't realize
three billion people on the planet don't
even have
energy to cook their food. It's why
they're chopping down the rainforest or
chopping down the brush in the de and
the deserts keep growing because it's
like a pack locusts that are just
ripping everything out. But it's because
of the severe mind-numbing inhumane
uh I tell Christians uncchristian
poverty that we've improve imposed. But
that's based on the energy system.
You're never going to fix it with wind
and solar ever or with a plug-in
electric car. It's never going to get
fixed. Now these new technologies will
fix that. It'll fix the biosphere, fix
pollution, end poverty, stabilize
geopolitically. Now they're going to be
losers.
hundreds of trillions of dollars in
assets and commodities. But again, it
isn't going to happen like this. It's
not like downloading an app. These are
heavy industries. It's going to take at
least 15 to 20, 30 years to transition
from our current cars and electric grid
to what I'm talking about. And I don't
know that we have 30 years. So, we need
to get going. So my point to people is
that in in the administration and I had
this little debate with Patrick David on
his show is that this you know taking
decades to do this could have been done
in the 20s30s 40s. This is
2025. We have 8 billion people on the
planet living like we're like in the
1800s energy wise. Oil, gas, coal, blah
blah blah. Wind. The Dutch had that ages
ago. Okay. So we have a little bit of
extra nuclear
1940s. So are you telling me the whole
world has to run on stuff that's 80 to
120 years old? This is ridiculous. But
it benefits a very very tiny oligarch
ruling group of people on the planet.
Energy banking petro dollar very I mean
we're not again we're not talking about
a few hundred billion. We're talking
about several hundred trillion dollars.
But if we're destroying the biosphere
and and what their solution is, well,
let's just keep diverting people with
shiny little problems in
9/11.
Aliens that are scary. See, that's the
next big thing. This is what Vernon,
this is why when people spread that kind
of nonsense, I am going to go after them
like a goddamn Rottweiler because that
is how we end up in World War II. That's
how we end up in a totalitarian
militaristic superstate. The opposite of
the golden age, the opposite of a age of
enlightenment, the opposite of a
sustainable world, that's the end of the
world as we know it. And I tell people,
even if there are some ETs that are
really are ETSs and not from another
dimension or a man-made
diversion that are
troublesome, you think you're going to
win that war down the barrel of a gun?
No. You're going to do C5 contact. Go
get the app. Anyone can get it. It
works. William Shatner has it and did it
and went up in space. So, go get it, you
know.
Barber and others will tell you it abs
that concept absolutely works because
what we have to do is figure out if
we're having any kind of
conflict is it always going to get
solved through a kinetic
war. Well, that's the end of the world
because you're not dealing with
thermonuclear weapons. You're dealing
with weapons that would make a hydrogen
bomb look like a tinker toy. M so when
you start getting into technologies that
can affect spacetime where you could
dissociate the basically the material of
an entire planet poof. No, you don't go
there. So this is a ser see for most
people they look at too much science
fiction and Hollywood crap and way too
much ufology where it mixes in all these
rubbish and false narratives and myths
with the truth. But if you think about
this as a thinking per a really serious
person, even if there was a civilization
or one or two, that might be pro
troublesome. And I don't think there's
any evidence there is, but I'm just you
can't prove a negative. So let's be
devil's advocate. No, I'll be the
advocate of what 99% of my colleagues
say. There are these worrisome aliens
that we have to fight.
And where are you going to fix that? How
are you going to fix that? Through a
war? through conflict. Well, it would
last about 0.1
nanoseconds. No, this is stupid. That is
a suicide mission. So, if we're going to
be serious about this, then we have to
think, well, even if that were the case,
and I don't think it is at all. Neither
does Jake because every here's the
thing, too. every man, and they've all
been men so far, who have been
operational on those retrieval teams
that I've been meeting with back all the
way to the early
90s, not a single one of them when they
encountered a living
one said they were anything but very
peaceful and very enlightened and and
very kind, but very concerned about
humanity and what we're doing to the
earth and to ourselves and potentially
to them. Because remember now here's
let's cut this to the bottom line here.
The reason we're running out of time is
that the technology curve from the 40s
to now has gone like that. So right now
and and and and Jake will admit this.
The nonhuman ET craft and the really
advanced ones from Rathon and some of
the other companies are virtually
indistinguishable. But that also means
the technology that can be weaponized is
at that level which means humans, this
corrupt organization not under the
control of the president, the Congress
and the
Pentagon is becoming a threat to other
worlds. This is where we cross a red
line. And I've known about it for 30
years. And I'm telling people, we are
right there. We're right at that point.
and that you do not want to cross that
red line to a point where there has to
be an intervention from out there,
right? But I think there are people in
this crazy corrupt
organization, this transnational corrupt
organization that runs this and a bunch
of other stuff who would like to see
that because I learned this in 94 from
the crown prince of Likenstein, Hans
Autumn. He seems super into this topic.
He's popped up a few times, didn't he?
take all the Roswell witnesses and and
fly them out to Europe and meet with
them. And so you've met him, too. And
Oh, yeah. Yeah. I spent a whole
afternoon with him and he's very No,
he's part of the organization. He is.
Oh, he was Opus Day. He funded funds
Opus Day, a really far right-wing group
at the Vatican. And I spent a lot of
time with him. But so you like him. You
find him of pure intention or No, no.
His intention. I was going to tell you
this. Listen. Uhhuh.
So this long meeting was very
disturbing. Uhhuh. And it was at the
Pierre Four Seasons in New York there,
but on Fifth Avenue across from Central
Park. And um we had a suite. Uh we had
wanted to meet for a while and I
couldn't deconlict my schedule as an
emergency doctor and his schedule. We
finally got together in New York because
he was coming to visit Lawrence
Rockefeller. Mhm. And so we had this
long meeting and he told me, he says,
"The reason I'm funding Bud Hopkins and
even back then uh John Mack and some
other people is that and um David Jacobs
Mhm. is that he had the threat
narrative, David Jacobs, is that we want
the public to hate the aliens so bad
that we can have an interplanetary war
so that we'll have Armageddon. So Christ
will return. I'm quoting. That's that
agenda. So it's an
esquetological esquetology is a study
how the world ends. So from that point
of
view this instead of having a future a
new world if you can take it as the ET
said the Colonel Corso that story it's
great. A new world that we could go
forward for hundreds of thousands of
years as an event that's in the world so
Christ will come back the Messiah. So
there's a
weird part of this organization that's
corrupt that has this firm belief that
we have to provoke an interplanetary
conflict and that's how the world comes
to an end and that's how Christ comes
back. Now when I heard this I just
listened and I was of course horrified
and stoaltified. I went, "What the
fuck?" You know, WTF and I didn't say
it, but I just wanted to hear where, you
know, where are you really coming from
in the organization you're part of?
Because he was part of that. Oh, sure.
So, he wanted to speed up the end of the
world so Christ could re which is why he
was funding all the abduction groups and
researchers. You know, I've heard he was
funding them because those were the
frontline people. So, a lot of those
were innocent people. They would have
someone who a CIA special operations
team or some other group that had one of
these man-made flying saucers or discs
would abduct someone. That case would
then be channeled through a couple
cutouts to David Jacobs or Bud Hopkins
or John Mack. Now, they didn't know that
I was debriefing people who were the
ones operating the abduction program
that was human. Same thing with cattle
mutilations. Linda Moon thinks those are
aliens. No, we're doing that. So, we're
there's all this talk now of
disclosures. You have, uh, disclosures
around the JFK assassination. People
want the 911 records. They want, you
know, all these things. They want
Epstein stuff. And so, uh, you know,
excuse me, do you think we get any
progress on UFOs? And then maybe even
the the better question because UFOs are
such, you know, it's so complicated.
It's this gangly octopus. It's so hard
to kind of find where the the bodies are
buried, so to speak. Um, no, it's not.
Well, well, yeah, maybe not. So, you
think it is? It's easy. Well, but what I
was going to say, here's what we're
doing. The actual intelligence Yeah.
that they need that that like Mr. Grush
was provided some of. Yeah. That could
lead to hitting pay dirt. Yeah. We have
a huge amount of it. other people I'm
working with who are who have been
former or current special forces have a
lot of it that can be provided
to the operation I'm talking about
that's being looked at but that needs an
executive order from the pre this is the
one pager for the president is that
going to happen do you think he's going
to listen and and sign an executive
order his son seems very into the issue
oh Don Jr. I spoke with him briefly.
Yeah. No, they're very interested.
Unfortunately, Don Jr. got gas lit about
a lot of this by Alzando with false
information. Joe Rogan has totally been
misled. Your episode with Rogan got
deleted or something. Well, he in order
to get his money from Spotify, they had
to take it out. Really? Oh, force. And
it's like when Sean Ryan had on me show
in Herrera. Shortly after that, he got
threatened. I'm I can't be on that show
anymore. Really? Am I Am I going to get
[ __ ] with? No. Well, I mean, you don't
have the numbers. If you had 20 million
people,
maybe I guess that's good. Or the
question is, what dirt do they have on
you? No, I think I'm pretty straight up.
So, if you don't care about being bought
off with money, I'm assuming you have
some assets. Yeah. Doing all right. And
yeah. So, so if you're if you're not
corruptible with money and and if you're
not somebody who's going to try to jump
the shark by getting on the inside for
the technologies is what happened. That
was Bigalow's Achilles Hill Bob Robert
Bigalow and you're not af, you know,
afraid. Mhm. Uh and you don't have
something they could blackmail you with.
You know, do you think Bob Bigalow has a
warehouse with UFOs in um in Vegas? No.
You don't? No. I can tell you that
Colonel Alexander, who was his
concigliad,
that was all set up so that the $22
million that Harry Reid helped get to
Bigalow Aerospace to research this would
be you. B here's what that operation
was. Send the money to that. Bigalow
didn't know this. He really did. He was
innocent. It was Alexander who did all
the gaslighting. Send the money to
there. They get the money. The Pentagon
thinks they're going to get a serious
research effort. you might as well have
opened the toilet lid, flushed $22
million down to the to the sewer because
that was a setup. And I spoke to uh
General Bob Herbert who was had left the
military and was right hand to Senator
Reid about this a few years ago during
COVID and another senior operative who
worked with him and they said to me, "We
didn't get anything of any value out of
all those millions of dollars." I said,
"No, because the person who is actually
directing that operation is someone who
has been key to covering this up for
decades as part of this rat pack of guys
named Colonel Alexander, who by the way
is the Conciglaria mentor for one Lou
Alzando."
Okay? So, look, you know, I'm not going
to mince words with you. I know you've
gotten all submerged in this stuff and
it's all mixed up in your brain, but I'm
trying to give a little clarity. I know
I'm a very people hate that I'm so
direct about this, but you know, I'm the
kind of I tell people if you have a
brain tumor, I'm not going to tell you
have a migraine, right? I'm going to
say, "Hey, bro, I'm sorry. You got a you
got a brain tumor. It's got to come
out." But that's just how I run. I'm a
very direct person. Yeah. But the the
the so so that operation really was sad
because and I really think um what
Bigalow wanted to do and I remember
meeting with him privately after the
Rockefeller
uh meeting is that he wanted to get on
the inside of the tech and what was
really going on with the intelligence
community because you know he was a a
Las Vegas billionaire. He was a he was
an heir to a real estate fortune in
Vegas. Budget suites, right, with and
all that. Yeah. So, he had the money, so
he didn't need the money, but he wanted
the access. So, they find what your soft
spot is. You know, where's your soft
underbelly? Some people, they just want
to get rich. Some people, they just want
to get in a position of power. Some
people, if they're already rich and
powerful, they want to get on the inside
of this big secret. So, that's how they
got their hooks in him. I warned him of
that. Same thing with Joe Fermage that
got pulled in and was this was this tech
entrepreneur who got into anti-gravity.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And he got totally gas
lit and pulled into an operation. It
ruined his life and then he got put in
prison for something. And I warned him
this is going to be an op. You're going
to spend your money and all this time
because he took the same bait. He was
wealthy. And I met with him at the Mars
Cafe in South of Market in San Francisco
way back in the 90s. And I warned I
said, "Joe, you're gonna you're a mark
for these guys." And sure enough, that
same group of people intercepted him.
Peter Thiel was almost intercepted by
some of these people really for energy
technology stuff. Yeah. With how put off
and some others. Peter. Yeah. Like the
guy the guy that I've worked with. Yeah.
They were going to get 150 million of
his that would be flushed down the
toilet. How put off? No, I don't think
so. Yes, sir. Not I was I got a heads up
from the the senior most CIA guy and I
back channel that information to Eric
Weinstein. Yeah, but we I've met with I
because I'm open about this. I've
brought Howal into the office, but it
didn't nothing ended up happening.
So, he's he's they're putting him out,
you know, look, he's up in his what 80s,
I guess, now. Yeah. It's like a lot of
these guys, they have to find a a
replacement, but no, he was an operative
that was uh uh you know, I look I
probably his closest friend ever is on
my team and I know the whole backstory.
Same thing with Jacqu Valet. Great guy,
brilliant guy, but at some point he got
too far involved with that same cabal of
people and got corrupted. And this is
why, you know, in our um uh documentary,
we talk about the uh document that he
admits to having. It's in his 1992 book
that Jacqu Fallet wrote. I forget the
name of it. Um and there's an entry
where he talks about having a 1985
and that was when he was really got
involved with the Colonel Alexander
types and stubble types, the advanced
theoretical physics working group. No,
just let me finish.
The document is a description of CIA
operations in Argentina and Brazil
to abduct
peasants so that they think they're
being abducted by aliens for its quote,
I'm quoting psychological warfare value.
Now, we've asked Jacqu Fole to release
that document. He got very agitated of
against my research producers and said
no way because I think he knows that
that's so that is the core of the cover
up is the false convincing of the public
of an alien threat. But this is a black
and white CI document Jacqu Valet has
and I know a couple other people have it
but they've been threatened that
outlines that operation. So these
abduction programs have operated not
just US but also overseas for decades.
Remember that's a 40 year old document
85. And those programs were started well
before then. Well, I will say Charles
Douglas Jackson who ran psychological
warfare for the country and was uh
operated in the psychological strategy
board under Gordon Gray. Uh uh he showed
up uh at Betty and Barney Hills house
two weeks after they encountered what
they encountered. So I've always found
that to be kind of interesting. And then
he went on to work for Life and Time
magazine and he was responsible for
putting out this Zapruder film of JFK
getting shot with missing frames, right?
So maybe there's something kind of weird
there. I don't know. Well, I'm telling
you there is. I mean, this is this is
the part of this there's I call it the
myth the myth in the briefing document
for the president. I I take out some of
the names that I know are the operatives
doing it, but I have on it's a one
sheeter. On one side is the myth and the
other is the truth. Mhm. And who are the
purveyors of the myth and what is the
actual facts of it? Yeah. And unpacking
it is a very arduous complicated and I
I'll admit I didn't know what I'm just
telling you back in 1990 94. It came
from being pulled in by people who
wanted me to know the truth. Who are
these deep throats that some of these
800 people have debriefed? But there are
documents that would prove this like
jockey has that document. The law
enforcement and and the the president
should say subpoena that. Do you think
Nixon was taken out over this issue with
Watergate? Because you saw Deepth
Throat, the real Deepth Throat was a guy
named Mark Felt who's a deputy director
of the FBI. Correct. In his biography,
he talks about Nixon being shown covert
technology. And then there's this famous
story of Nixon showing up at Jackie
Gleason's place in 1973 and telling him,
"We have secret UFO technology, taking
him to Homestead Air Force Base." Yeah.
And then Jackie Gleason gets obsessed
with UFOs. His house becomes shaped like
a UFO. So is that story? Is that all
true? And 100% true. But it goes back
further. M so let's explain how national
security in in the 50s maybe from the
50s on the chairman of the what's called
the space council for the United States
government is the vice president
traditionally now they have a
professional director but the vice
president is chairman so Nixon was
chairman of space council during
Eisenhower he was part of the team that
betrayed Eisenhower along
these others. So they circled their
wagons and their limousines and pushed
Eisenhower further out of the picture,
the 5412 committee. So this would they
were very upset. I mean obviously so
Nixon of course lost the election with
Jack Kennedy. Mhm. And then he won in '
68. So when he was going to be in his
second term, he was going to be the
person he thought would disclose all
this and start bringing it forward. But
the organization that's way more
powerful than the presidency said, "Oh,
no you're not." Oh, yes I am. Oh, no
you're not. So Watergate did happen. But
I mean there's that kind of black bag
stuff happens all the time in politics.
I mean it's not I'm not excusing it.
It's just it's a dirty business, a
filthy business. So what happened is
that there was a young reporter named
Bob Woodard. Mhm. who was actually naval
intelligence in Pentagon. He was not a
journalist. He got moved over to the
Washington Post. Happened to have this
whistleblower
who then guess you know you know the
cover was let's expose the corruption
that Nixon did which he did
but it was really to remove him because
he was hellbent on bringing this stuff
out. So a similar thing of course
happened to Bill Clinton. The whole
Monica Lewinsky thing, Linda Trip was a
army intelligence NSA person was put
right beside Monica Lewinsky at a
cubicle to get through social
engineering befriending her the
information about that affair. Wow. And
then it was set up because when he was
asked about it, Clinton lied about it
under oath which it led to his
impeachment. That was also and so when
Hillary said I'm and I'm not excusing
any kind of behavior. I'm not trying to
But I'm just telling you this is how it
is done. All right? So they can either
kill you, they can threaten you, they
can do all kinds of stuff, or they can
set up something like that because very
few people get at that level of national
politics that are squeaky clean
and and they're going to know that and
they can use it against you. So this is
where people talk about welfare and all
the stuff going on. It's been done for
decades. I mean, let's face it, Nixon
weaponized the IRS and the DOJ long
before the people in the Trump circle
started talking about lawfare. That's a
proven thing. Do you think there's any
connection? And Nixon was a Republican.
Yeah. Right. So, I mean, you know, this
kind of dirty trick stuff's been going
on since forever. Speaking of dirty
tricks stuff, is there any connection
between Jeffrey Epstein and UFOs? I have
no idea. And I I actually the salacious
stuff related to that it's like oh my
god. Um I'm not excusing any kind of
underage whatever but you know I think
that that was probably a op to try to
pull in certain people and then have a
blackmail file on them. Mhm. Yeah. Seems
like it. when I'm speaking with some
absolute knowledge about it because
there's a very senior person in the
national security
apparatus who is was part of that who's
being kept on a short leash because they
have a a blackmail file on it. Wow. And
so that's how it's done. So, you know, I
could do a whole 5h hour podcast with
you about the techniques of counter
intelligence and disinformation on this
and the kind of dirty tricks run on
people. And if they can't get something
real, they'll make it up because with AI
and deep fakes. Yeah. I mean, they can
show the everyone in this room have an
orgy together. Right. Right. They can
take my voice and make me say anything.
They can create any docs they want.
It'll look absolutely authentic. In
fact, I just had that happen last week.
My iPhone was hacked into and all kinds
of stuff. I was threatened. Oh no. Oh,
this hap this has been happening since
91. Do you think that do aren't isn't
Tesla's stuff still classified by the
US? And then I know Towns and Browns is
classified by the Navy. So we're talking
about class classifiations of all these
other things and and declassifications
of all these other things. What about
the science? Can like fundamental
science shouldn't be classified. Can we
get Tesla's work open? Here here's the
problem. All of the everything that
doesn't fly or teleport
should and could be decl I mean a lot of
it be medical. I mean I've seen some
technologies at a underground lab on the
Mexican American border really El Paso
that you could regrow a limb. You could
a severed spinal cord could be
corrected. Are you serious? Yes. But
that's not being widely distributed. No.
Because the physics behind do you I
don't know if you have a physics
background the physics behind that
scalar no transdimensional physics would
be able to also quickly to any scientist
be converted to oh I can generate energy
from that all right so and if you and
the energy sector that runs the planet
where everyone's dependent on this line
of super tankers and power plants and
all of that the whole Brettton Woods
with the petro dollar the dollar being
the reserve currency because of
petroleum basically a Ramco in Saudi
Arabia was basically set up by the CIA.
So all of that integrated
macroeconomic issue is really one of the
core reasons for the secrecy. And so any
technology that would open that door
they don't want out because it threatens
the current order. Yeah. And when I
explained this to um the honorable Paul
Hillier who had been minister of
defense, I was one of the reasons why he
came out publicly. We did a press
conference together in Toronto. His um
before he contacted me, he contacted a
four-star general in the United States
because he read a book called The Day
After Roswell by Philip Corso. And
um then he realized this four-star
general he said, "Is this true?" He
says, "Oh yeah, that and more." that
general had been read on to it. And so
he called me up and we met and I spent a
lot of time at his place in Toronto. Um
and I explained to him the whole
macroeconomic order, how it runs, who
runs it, etc. And it turned out he was a
macroe economist. And he says, "I've
never connected UFOs and ETSs to the
science and technology part dealing with
energy." I say, "Well, bingo." That's
the heart of it right there. That and
the militarization of the relationship
between humans and non-human so that the
military-industrial complex can be this
global behemoth that keeps sucking money
out of the people and governments in
endless war. Have you heard the name Tim
Taylor ever? No, I don't know him. Um,
what about Ron Pandalfi? Have you heard
that name? Oh, sure. What do you think
of of him? Is he because that he comes
up a lot in this topic as you know
somebody interested in it and uh yeah is
he I you know look and you you bring up
names a lot I you know what uh
Elellanena Roosevelt said uh yeah she
did so you're insulting
me small minds talk about people
mediocre minds talk about events great
minds talk about ideas so you don't want
to talk about Penduli well there are a
lot of you can name a list forever yes
of course he was has been involved and
knows things and um I think he he's
another person who's uh very
knowledgeable and had been read on very
early on in his career. Mhm. And who I
think really I believe really wants a
correct outcome. Okay. Okay. So, I think
there are a lot of people that are, you
know, what one of
uh one of Jake's guys said to me. Uh,
wonderful man, brilliant named Don Paul.
I don't know if you Don Paul. Yeah, I've
heard great thing. I saw him get
interviewed and just wonderful man and
he had picked me up once in LA when I
was doing something and and he dropped
me off I I don't know Airbnb where I was
staying and and he said uh he said Dr.
Thank you for what you're doing for
those of us stuck on the other side.
and what what he meant by that we're
stuck on the in the side of these
illegally run shadowy legacy programs
but they're patriots they're good men
and women they want out but they need a
way out so that's what I'm trying to get
the president through these five
executive orders here they are one page
awesome it's put in his hands he has
this very cool is that we'll link it one
of them has to
this complete amnesty and immunity and
physical protection of these people so
they can come forward with everything
they have. Right? But you can't expect
people to do that naked, uncovered when
if they're doing so could result in
their their families being killed or
they're being imprisoned under false
pretenses. Of course. So I tell people
why what good is there having an FBI is
what I'd say to Mr. cash
uh Patel. Mhm. If it's not going to be
used against the worst criminal
enterprise within the US. Yeah. The true
deep state. Yeah. That is victimizing
patriots and heroes. Yeah. Trying to
come forward. I mean, this nonsense
needs to come to a screeching halt. And
a lot of these men and women, that's
what they're waiting for. And we got
really close to it when the Congress was
supposed to pass that bill to give them
safe harbor amnesty and protect them,
but it it was gutted by Turner, Rogers,
Pelosi, some other people. For the
skeptics out there, do you have a most
kind of visceral uh convincing piece of
evidence that you've seen in your life
where you're in possession of either a
document or a piece of material where
you're like, "This is disclosure for
me." You know, this is this is kind of
obvious. It was the weight of the
evidence and um you know, I don't have a
a dead ET body or or a craft I can haul
out. But that's what I'm hoping this
special operations team can acquire.
Well, there you go. Because we know
where they are. Do you feel like you're
being So, I know where the under, you
know, if you look at our map that's in
Let Hold that up. This is the brief.
There is a map in there that actually
has where all the key black sites are
and where all this stuff is. We'll we'll
throw it on and but it's all based
on frankly intel from all these
whistleblowers. Yeah. Well, you had deep
underground military bases are across
the US and Becktel has built a lot of
them. I think we used techniques used by
the Nazis actually after in well no
because in in our archive we have the
actual 1960s patent for a nuclearpowered
tunneling device and let me explain how
it works. It goes through bedrock and
basically turns it into glass. Whoa. And
so you have connectors
from Nellis Area 51 to Edwards go
underground. Boom. Dougway
um from the Capitol out to the mountains
in Virginia. Uh these have all been
built. Now, of course, they don't want
to disclose because it's a
nuclearpowered thing if it
malfunctioned, but it's a nuclearpowered
device that Becktail and other
corporations have used to build not only
the connectors, but the deep underground
facilities. Most people call them
stiffs, subterranean facilities. Some
people call them dumbs, deep underground
military bases. But it's a bit of a
misnomer because military would conote
the legal military. So you have the
shadow government military that Inoy
Senator Enoi talked about and you have
the conventional. Now when I was
briefing the senior investigators for
Senate Intelligence Committee when I
first started meeting with them, they
didn't know we had these facilities.
They didn't know we had man-made UFOs.
They didn't know the NRO had nutrino
light detectors on them picking up the
signature of the ET craft and knocking
them down. They didn't know and the list
goes on and on. And interestingly, the
main guy I was talking with in his
portfolio of oversight for the Senate
Intelligence Committee was the NRO, CIA,
and NSA.
Totally had no knowledge of it. M so I
tell people this is where it gets scary
for for me as a young doctor when I
discovered something this important is
being taken out of the hands of the
oversight of we the people's government
the the the government that we elect and
the people we appoint and then the
people who are in that system because
they're there are basically not
answering to the constitution the
president or the will of the people and
the congress They're answering to this
cabal of corrupt enterprises and that is
a very dangerous thing when you're
dealing with technology at this level
because and the human future and this is
where I'm fiercely def what it is. I
feel like I'm a one-man anti-defamation
league for ETSs
because everyone out there wants to have
the good ones and the bad ones where
we're going to have Star Wars and
Cowboys and Indian in space and endless
war of I'm going oh my god can you just
grow up out of that I mean this is so
first of all it's so stupid I mean it's
dumb dumb I mean it's like but it's hard
to speculate on these I mean no it isn't
we don't have great data like it's you
don't because you haven't studied my
stuff we have great data I've been
looking through it go look up this this
reference that Jocket's document from
the CIA has it black and white says
we're conducting the abductions, but
it's not just in the United States,
these operations are global. Uhhuh. So
again, you want the other thing I said,
so in the skiff, a secure compartment
information facility.
I'm in there and there's a map on the
wall and it's a normal map of the world
with all the geopolitical boundaries. I
said, "See that map?
The boundary between America and Canada?
Erase it." The boundary between Mongolia
and China erase it. The boundary between
wherever Yeah. India and ch it's gone.
Yeah. This organization moves with
elacrity
across the globe because their
technologies allow complete covert
movement, invisible movement, and they
have assets everywhere. We know that
there have been
um uh apparently a man-made UFO that
went down in Russia. We've gotten that
confirmed recently from a special
operations team. Wow. And there was one
that crashed and went down in northern
Iran that we had to try to go in and
stomp down. But you know, we have the
this is the next one that just came out.
Ouch. hurts to bend my I have these
three big puncture things in my abdomen.
So, this is Disclosure and Illustrated
History and it's a 220 30 page book um
that has, you know, all the we I wonder
where the Herrera one is. Yeah. So, they
have all these cases. Oh, here's here's
uh the tic tac. Oh, there you go. San
Diego, California, 2004. Yeah. But we
have one in there as a contrast. Uh-huh.
From 1967 in Pennsylvania in 1991 off
the Azors. Oh, here is the Rathon
triangle at uh Fort Irwin. Mhm. Wow.
That is man-made. Wow. And the guy who
saw it Uhhuh. in detail cuz he picked up
some night skits. He was told not to.
Uhhuh. Saw that there was this one and
then they were holographically
projecting several others. Wow. This
could be used in a in a false alien
invasion, you know, like a hoaxed
invasion. And then that later he and his
wife got abducted by this thing. Yeah.
And tortured. Whoa. And it was Rathon.
And everyone I would say out of a
million people proof that it was Rathon.
Oh yeah. Because he said the men who
took him there were Rathon operatives.
They took him aside, wanted to show him
this, but but not without the nightcope.
So he saw more detail than they wanted.
And for that reason it ruined his life.
Steven Dign wonderful man. Wow. And
Warner von Brown was convinced that
there would be this sort of false flag
operation because he knew when he died
in ' 74 Mhm. that was all fully
operational. You work with his
assistant, right? His last spokesperson
for his life. Carol Rosen's on our team.
Wonderful woman. Yeah. She's been trying
to get a treaty
signed that should have been signed
decades ago, keeping these weapons out
of space. Um, didn't she also tell you
though that I'll let
you that Warner von Braonn used
psychotronic weapons technology against
her or something? Use some psychotronic
technique. Wasn't against her. It was
for him to transmit to her a speech he
wanted to give to a big conference. Wow.
And he used like a mind interface. Yeah.
Neuralink sort of thing, but without the
wires. You know what Elon's working with
with Neurolink? Think of it what what
Jake's talked about with psionics. Think
of being able and this is where my
specialty came in back in after my
contact experience in 73
is
um I realized that these civilizations
have technologies that interface
directly with coherent thought. Mhm. So
not just any scattered thing but like if
you like in con the consciousness field
is not limited by
spaceime and which means it is
essentially
omniresent. So if you operate at a level
of understanding that and then with
thought
intend you can reach any place in
spaceime but also you can transmit
information that way and it can be
received but they're not just doing it
telepathically like like gurus they have
technology so it look like a little box
or a little uh device that can receive
directed thought can send and transmit.
So in 1991 I wrote a paper went all
through the aerospace industry and CIA
which kind of also put me on the radar
talking about technology assisted
consciousness right where that your
technology can assist you in the ability
but also consciousness assisted
technology where your thought
bioelectric field and thought can
actually turn on a computer or affect
remote places but it can be done
innately you know just through those
powers and abilities that some
telepathic and telekinetic people have,
but it can be done technologically
assisted. So that's why I call it TAC
and CAT. So that's in my first book,
Extraterrestrial Contact, the evidence
and implications, but it's from 99. You
can still get it. But I think that that
describes this and that is exactly what
they have. So interstellar
communications don't involve a
smartphone going at the speed of light.
They involve node to node quantum
entanglement. So if you know what
quantum entanglement is, every point in
space is connected to every other um in
sort of a holographic
non-locality. And so it go whether
you're an Andromeda galaxy and you're
here two and a half million lighty
years. You're not going with a, you
know, a Verizon signal at the speed of
light because it would take two and a
half million years to go one way, answer
the call, it'd be another two and a half
million years. It's going node to node
through entanglement. But there are
technologies that assist with that. But
it when you get to that level of
physics, you also get into the
telekinetic, psionic, telepathic
capabilities which can be interfaced
technologically.
So that's actually what we're doing with
C5 contact. We're not using any
technologies, but we know our friend the
visitors, they have it. So if you can
remote view them, connect to them and
then invite them. We don't summon them.
I told Jake, don't use the word summon.
You summon your butler. If you're the
king of England, you s summon your
valot. These are not your servants. It's
a dis it's a disrespectful term. We
invite them. And so we say what we're
trying to do is create a raw pole and a
contact between human and non-human for
peaceful purposes. We're not here to sum
them over and kill them. So that's the
that's the philosophy, let's say, or
ethos behind C5 contact. And you know,
there are millions of people around the
world doing that.
Amazing. That gets me the most grief.
You know, Jake and I have talked about
other people have talked about. I said,
"But it's also why the CIA and military
intelligence took us most seriously."
Yeah. Because they knew it worked. I
mean, they knew when we had this group
in '92 on a beach near Pensacola and we
had this 60 people for a weekend
demonstrating this four of these craft
just pop up right into right there. They
seem to take intense interest in people
who attract UFOs. So in you there's this
Chris Bledsoe this case in North
Carolina where Hal Pavvenmire this
longtime national and then he's been
intercepted by Jim Seivian and other
disinformation people who are
esquetologists. So do you think he
they're fanatics who want the end of the
world? You think Chris Bledo actually
saw something or Oh sure I'm likely he I
don't know him. I don't know because by
the time I learned about it he had
already been intercepted. But you think
he got inter he saw something and then
Absolutely. Absolutely. Uhhuh. Most
people are, you know, and you think
their interest, these these military
intel guys, their interest is in
esquetology is in like No, not all of
them. I mean, like I said, you know,
don't you can't be simplistic here. Some
are about macroeconomics, power,
control, military-industrial, endless
war. Others have this sort of belief
system. Yeah. that we have to have some
kind of endgame Armageddon nonsense in
order for Christ to come back or the
Messiah if you're Jewish or whatever or
the mitra for Buddhist you know all of
that is of course I think a
misinterpretation of things I don't
think it's the end of the world it's the
end of this era the opening of another a
golden age so I think if you look at
what the the so-called current cycle of
the last 400,000 years that's one cycle.
I think we're coming to the end of that
cycle and opening a cycle that will be
universal. That'll be about another
500,000 years. That'll be marked by
universal peace, not just world peace.
Uh interstellar travel, a very advanced
society here and people being liberated
financially and and by the means of
work. So their work week will come
become 10 15 hours and they'll be
pursuing the development of higher
states of consciousness and all these
other abilities that are innately within
us the human potential part. So I think
that's where we should be going. Now
there are other people when it's just a
it's like the hopy prophecy one line
goes up and the other one terminates.
The question is do we want to be on the
termination line? In which case, the
only way to go forward is for our
civilization to come out of the dust.
Mhm. Like the phoenix, out of the out of
the ruins, rise from the ashes, which
can happen. But you know, why choose
that when we can choose something else?
Yeah. So, right now, the door is open
for us to make that choice individually,
collectively. the people who are
profering false information about the
alien threat that we don't have these
technologies. If you say we don't have
them, then everything going on you can
ascribe to aliens when it's not. That's
the false flag. That's what I'm going to
go after. Because people who say that
they're lying, they're either ignorant
or they're lying. Now Elon Musk recently
said on Joe Rogan he has an all access
pass through Lockheed and Northrup and
we don't have any of these technologies.
The best technology out there is his
rocket. To be honest with you, I don't
know the gentleman.
I have no idea if he's not been readon
or if he's deliberately deceiving. What
would be your guess? I I wouldn't wager
one because I could see it either way
because of the level of people I've met
with and met with recently. He's got to
know if if in the world in which UFOs
and zero point energy, all these things
are real. He's got he's got to be the,
you know, but no, no, but here's the
problem. He doesn't have an all access
path. I was once at a meeting with uh a
chairman of SRRI and AT&T. Mhm. Do they
have compartment operations that have
dealt with
this bail labs and all that? This is
back in the
90s. And they said to
me, "We suspect there are projects in
our
companies, Stanford Research, dealing
with this, but we read on to them." So
there's a very big mistake people make.
Oh, he's the president. He's chairman of
Senate Intelligence. He's another G
general I briefed was the head of the
Defense Intelligence Agency. Mhm. Now,
for people who don't know, DIA, Defense
Intelligence Agency is the
top military intelligence organization
for the whole Pentagon and military like
CIA is for civilian. And I briefed a
three-star general, Patrick Hughes. He
had absolutely we had gotten him
briefing materials before the meeting
like I had for Admiral Wilson and these
sort of things. He had no knowledge and
when he made an inquiry he just got
brushed off. And yet I have a disclosure
project witness that worked for
DIA and with and also NRO imaging these
objects okay out in space and he was
very upset. General Hughes because I'm
in the conference room for the general
and I said look there are people on your
staff who absolutely have been read into
this and they're lying to you. How does
that work? Like just as far as there
being no clear chain of command, like
how do you have pockets of middle
management that are and then higher up,
you know, their their superiors don't
know what's going on? Cuz I I've heard
stories like that. They're huge. They're
huge organizations and the people who
are corrupt who are getting money. They
get kind of paid back door by cut.
They're cutouts. They're operatives. And
you know, I mean, there are all kinds of
knocks, nonofficial cover people. So
this is really an issue of both
corporate and American sovereignty
because it's you're sort of you have
this like backdoor funneling of money in
many cases. There's the legal black
budget of the United States, right? That
the the president and the gang of eight,
the top people in the Congress know
about. Sure. Not all the congressmen.
And I deal with those folks. But then
there's the illegal black budget. Mhm.
And I tell people, let's make it simple
for the average person. You know, if we
get build
$2 billion for a B2 stealth bomber, it's
probably costing less than 100 million
to make it. I mean, come on. Once you've
made a few of them, does B2 stand for
Biffield Brown? Do you think it's time
to brown? Well, wait, let me finish. The
rest of the money goes out the back
door. The other 1.8 8 or 1.9 Mhm.
billion out the back door into these
clandestine illegal man-made UFO
projects. Mhm. So, you know, I've been
over sites where that these objects that
are man-made come up out of the desert
up through an opening, come up into the
air, and they're 100% man-made. And I
would say that almost everyone in the
normal government, let's call it the
regular would think it was, oh my god,
it's a UAP. Well, I guess it is. It's un
it's unexplained to them. It's, you
know, it's an unknown to them. But see,
that's where it's dangerous because one
of the reasons I had the meeting with
General Hughes
was one of his
colleagues, if you look at our
disclosure witness, Merl Shane McDow,
look it up. that's in here.
He was uh working under Sync Atlantic
Command, the commander-in-chief Atlantic
Command in Norfolk and they went to a
full code zebra alert, which means the
facility shut down. You had to have
zebra stripes on your badge or you were
shot by the Marines there with M16s.
Everyone had to be cleared out. So, I've
been there. It's an underground place.
It's where World War II would be fought.
All the nuclear submarines that we have,
I've been in there. My military escort
took me in. Admiral train, Admiral Harry
Train back then. This was in the 80s. An
object came in off the coast of
Newfoundland and it was what you said
about Jack Kennedy trying to deconlict
this problem with the Soviets. We
thought it was a Soviet object or
missile. And so he picked up the red
line to the Soviet Union. This is 80s.
It wasn't theirs. Wasn't ours or that he
knew of. It came off down the coast,
ended up being on five radar stations.
We deployed an aircraft to shoot it
down. And it couldn't, but it took had
gun camera and the admiral and this
gentleman saw that footage. I don't have
it. It's somewhere.
And but the admiral was shaken to his he
had no idea what this was. We could have
gone to nuclear war over this
mishap. Think about it. the guy sitting
there in the some commander-in-chief
Atlantic command fourstar admiral not
read into this. So when I found out the
head of the Defense Intelligence Agency
wasn't read on and he's the top of that
whole system for military intelligence,
I realize this is really dangerous that
people at that level of our government
are completely unaware of this and would
could mistake a man-made UFO with an
alien one or something from another
country and trigger World War III either
on off planet or on planet. So this
information is of enormous national
security consequence, but it's never
been treated that way. See, this is the
problem. You know, it's movies, it's
podcast, it's entertainment, it's but
no, this is of the gravest level of
national security of anything I've ever
heard of and I've been around a long
time looking at a lot of spooky stuff.
So that is where this is how a country
like ours or others get they get sort of
stumble into Yeah. a war is what
happened with the Iraq and Afghanistan
wars. Yeah. So we have to be careful
here because here we're not talking
about a kinetic war with boom boom you
know bombs and cannons and the meat
grinder of Ukraine and and Russia. We're
talking about something that's very
dangerous. Yeah. Orders of magnitude
more dangerous. and it simply is not
being uh looked at and managed in a way.
Now, these executive orders, yeah, that
one I mentioned the ones about the
whistleblowers and the having a an
operation to get these uh stood down,
you know, like the facilities that have
been targeting these craft that are ET
and knocking them down, that needs to be
stood down because that could that could
lead to World War II. M um and and we
need one that requires all these
operations to fully disclose within 6
months or the people involved would be
prosecuted for treason and other crimes.
We need an executive order to authorize
an advanced diplomatic team based on C5
contact to make peaceful contact with
these non-human because there has been
no response from
humans.
Um that has been anything but denial or
violent very how ridiculous. That's why
I started this whole project 1990. It
was to to address this issue that
they're there, but how are we reaching
out to them? Nobody is. Not the United
Nations, no foreign ministry, our State
Department. It's all off because it's an
unknown subject. So that has to be done.
And we need an executive order
authorizing the review and release of
the technologies as I said, but
excluding things that could be used as a
weapon system, right? But things that
would ameliorate uh the environmental
problems and poverty on the planet and
eventually give the whole world what
this executive chairman of this big
corporation said free energy for the
whole world because you're pulling
energy out of this uh subatomic field.
Hydrogen atom is key to this by the way.
Interesting. Yeah. We're getting to the
weeds here of physics. If you were able
to separate the oxygen and hydrogen
bonds. Oh, the hydrogen atom. I'm
talking about the atom. So, what people
don't Here's the secret about Stan
Meyer's little giddy. Uhhuh. He didn't
know it at the time because they didn't
have the tools to measure it. It was an
empirical observation. I mean, it was
just observed uh in the real world. So,
empiricism is the foundation of most
science. M you know like we can observe
the effect of something like a substance
that's in fox glove the herb
digtoxin which actually is used in
medicine for congestive heart failure.
Well it was discoveredund and some years
ago we observed the effect but it was
only very recently that we knew what the
actual mechanism of action at a
molecular and physics level was of this
100-year-old medicine. Same thing with
aspirin. We knew it had these effects.
We didn't know how it worked until not
that long ago. So this man Stan Meyer
observed an effect that at certain
frequencies water would dissociate into
hydrogen and oxygen at less than the
Faraday constant. The amount of energy
needed to dissociate it. What he didn't
know which has been uh documented, we
mentioned this in our documentary, The
Lost Century. If anyone wants to look at
it, go to Tuby. It's up there for free.
And it describes that when you do the
very electrostatic high voltage system
he was using at certain frequencies, it
creates these tiny little like ball
lightning effects
that it kind of tiny little explosions
that activate and perturb stimulate that
zero point quantum vacuum field. And
that's why the energy that he was
getting out, in other words, if you just
took the energy of oxygen and water, I
mean oxygen and hydrogen that if you
separated them into the two gases and
burned it, he was getting much more
energy than that, but he didn't know
where it was coming from. That's where
it's coming from. So now we know the
physics of that. And I would like to see
if anyone's listening who's actually
venture capital, let's start a venture
capital fund to do this because I've got
the people who can do it, but we don't
have the funding. But here's a warning
to you money grubbing [ __ ] It's it's
gonna it's going to be open sourced.
Uhuh. It's gonna be like GitHub. It's
going to be put out openly to the
public. We have a mutual friend, Adam
Curry, who's super deep in a lot of
these technologies. Oh, yeah. He's a
wonderful guy. Yeah, he's great. Yeah.
Big fan of his. But someone's going to
have to actually set up a secure lab
that would be on, you know, blockchained
but open to the internet. Everything
going on is known in real time. No
secret sale back. So you're not going to
do the whole Here's the problem. People
think they're so clever. They're going
to work on this. It'll be secret. Yeah.
Until they kill you. The Stan Meyer
guys, you know who those guys who got
the Stan Meyer collection and that
Toroid, all of them but one were killed.
Wow. And before they were killed, the
Lord I won't say his name, Lord so and
so out of the United Kingdom who was
their funer called me up and said, "Dr.
Greer, we need your help." Day late and
a dollar short. They're after them. They
they figured out how these things work
and they they think they need to move
their lab from Michigan to another
country. I said, "Bro, you're going to
have to move your lab to another star
system. This organization will hunt you
down anywhere. And what they need to do
is dump everything they have through
blockchain on the internet and out to
the public. But see, they had such a,
excuse my language, they had a hard on
for getting the money and monetizing it
and p keeping it, you know, their own
little secret
thing. Next thing I So, I wrote a whole
p I don't know, a couple page thing
strategy for them. I think it's in our
archive.
It is with taking the name off of the
Lord so and so because he doesn't want
to be known publicly. But that's amazing
though. Somebody in the House of Lords
was funding this free energy. Well, I
mean, everyone's interested in this if
you've got a thinking mind and you were
concerned about the world if you care
about the world at all. But it was done
incorrectly. So, and I warned them at
the front end of it. I said, "If you do
this the way you're planning to do it,
you're dead men walking." Sure enough,
few years later, I meet with a guy in
Orange County who who knew the one
survivor of that. He says, ' And the guy
was crying like a baby. So, all the rest
were killed. I said, 'Of course. What do
you think would happen? They were
obscure, secret,
unprotected, and you don't I don't care
if you're Elon Musk, you don't have
enough money to keep yourself safe from
that crowd. How do you think you So, you
have to open source it. How do you think
you've been able to survive? Have
attempts have been made on your life,
right? Oh, sure. Yeah. And do do you
feel do you feel protected by the ETSs?
Yes, you do. Yeah. You've guided by
them? Yep. Wow. Yeah. That's
fascinating. They have a security team
and Wow, that's amazing. Like a physical
security team or it's more like sort of
ephemeral as far as how they No, it's
both. Yeah. But they I mean, look, they
can move between dimensions and Wow.
you know I put look when I died one of
the great things of having been so sick
and died this is kind of worse because
somebody
but you you if you have that kind of
experience
uh I'm not particularly religious at all
but in terms of organized religion but
spiritual yes and Jake and I have talked
about that is
that what you're afraid of what you know
if you know there if you know that your
conscious ious self continues in higher
and higher states of consciousness
forever. Why are you? So, you know, make
my day and kill me. I've seen the other
side. It's beautiful. So, I don't want
to I mean, look, I have 12 grandkids and
four daughters. I mean, I'm not going
anywhere unless it's my time. You know,
my ticket gets punched, I'm out, you
know, but um so I sort of like give it
to the great spirit, you know, and say
what happens happens. But what it means
is it liberates you from having your
life guided through fear. So remember
how controlling fear is. Fear of the
aliens, fear of of Armageddon, fear of
being tortured, fear of poverty, fear of
having your secrets exposed, fear they
these evildoers, these thugs control
through fear. Yes. But remember, fear is
the mind killer. It makes people take
leave of their intellect and their
spiritual
faculties. So that is why demagogues,
religious, political, what have you,
they're very adept at utilizing fear for
control. M that's my big concern and my
beef with most people in the UFO
subculture who put out these fearsome
dystopian views of the ETSs but also at
the same breath cover up the fact we
have the technology to stage everything
that would look ET that isn't. So, with
with that being said, if it's just at a
UFO conference with a few hundred
efficionados of this, that's one thing.
But when it gets to where someone like
that is in major media or talking to Don
Jr., this nonsense, I have a problem
with that because that has consequences.
So people need to be very careful about
that because there's a whole team of
people who are attached to senior
national security now who know that's
going on. And if if we can get a law
enforcement operation stood up, not just
investigate because we're doing that,
but to actually act, take action. Anyone
on the wrong side of this wittingly,
knowingly is going to be in a world of
trouble because you're really talking
about colluding with a treasonous group
of people who are imminent threat to
national security. So I I say that and
people say, "Are you making a threat?" I
said, "No, I'm just saying that it goes
to follow that once people at a certain
level a government realized that they've
been had and they've been deceived and
lied to, they have the mechanism to fix
it." Now, maybe it would be fixed
clandestinely. We wouldn't know about
it. Fine. But I'm saying to the public,
anyone who has actionable
intelligence needs to come forward to us
very soon. If you're on the wrong side
of this, get we can get you on the right
side and we can get you
immunity, right? We can. Now, even
without an executive order, law
enforcement at a certain level has the
ability to immunize people if big if
they completely come clean. So it's it's
transactional in the sense that you
would have to come clean with everything
and not be involved any further in
illegal operations and then you would be
immunized. So I was told a few months
ago that can be done. So I'm making an
appeal to people now's if you're going
to do it now's the time to do it. You
don't want to you want to be on the
right side of history. You don't want to
be on the wrong side of this. Um because
ultimately truth will come out about it.
And um it's going to be better for
people if they do what Jake and his guys
are trying or just starting to do a
little bit and step over into the
correct side of it. What do you think of
his new private venture, his company?
Oh, I don't know. I mean, you know, wish
him luck. I mean, so long as it's
non-kinetic
against the ETSs, it's fine. I think
mostly what they're encountering are our
stuff. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. Because
cuz it's on a range that where our stuff
might fly or something or
look remember 80 90% of everything
people see out there they're calling a
UAP is our stuff. Uhhuh. I mean and a
lot of it is so advanced now it can
mimic an ET. Wow. Object. So it takes a
lot of information and experience to
distinguish the two. But he would have
the experience right to distinguish. No,
he even admits oh that it's at the point
that and I will admit that as I said
earlier this technology curve keeps
going up of human reverse engineering.
So when you've had some of the highest
IQ brains in the world gifted who worked
in these
programs studying the real ET material,
material science, physics, all of
it, you're going to eventually be at a
level of close to par where what happens
is that even a very experienced operator
like Jake and his guys or or me and I've
been involved in contact with the ET
since I was 8 years old seeing them, you
know, and then even more intimate
contact. You can be easily deceived and
this is dangerous. So, this is why 30
years ago I raised the alarm bell. This
is going on, but technology doesn't
stand still. It's not like we got the
ARV from 19 late 50s60s, you know, that
Mark McCannish's drawings and sure, you
know, Brad Sorenson went to this air
show in 1988. That's in here. Yeah. You
have the mama bear and papa bear
acornshaped
uh UFOs. Yes. And he was shown this
video and he was with this Italian
finance here and they go to this sort of
back of the house thing and then they
have this these magneto hydrodnamic
drives underneath and so yeah but the
hanger at Norton which has been
decommissioned 88 that was an air show
to get more money from the Reagan era
people and there were three of them.
There was the baby, the mama and the dad
granddad. Exactly. And those three that
was real. But do you know when those
those were built? When were they built?
Late 50s, early 60s. Well, they had a
lot of wear and tear on them according
to the interior. If you I have a full
transcript
of Brad Sorenson talking to an aerospace
writer. Mhm. And those components on the
inside
were from the Mercury space capsule era.
Wow. Late 50s, early 60s. But then uh
James Allen, the creator of the movie
about Mark McCandish,
uh Zero Point or whatever, he died of an
aggressive form of cancer and they found
heavy metals in his autopsy. I don't
know if you're familiar. Oh yeah. I
mean, look, a lot of people in my team
I've
had I had I was me and my best friend
and assistant at the time and a member
of Congress all got aggressive
metastatic cancers. Jesus. And yeah, I
almost died. I had metastatic malignant
melanoma. You think that was brought on
by this talk? Oh yeah, absolutely. We
know how it's done. Um, I've gone
through hell. But you know and but the
point I'm making is those the folks
involved in these programs who want to
come forward you know they are at some
significant risk
until the government of the good guys
let's say
in government representing we the people
who aren't read into this stand up an
operation to stop it because otherwise
it's an unchecked rogue power with
unbelievably malicious intent. And you
know, you can't let that go on for I
mean, it's been going on for 70 years.
Yeah. Can't go on for another 10. I
don't think it can go on for another
five. This is why I think whether you
love or like him, the current president,
that administration is going to have to
deal with this. If we're at
technological par, whether they like it
or not, if we're at technological parody
with these extraterrestrials, how can we
be sure that the crashes that or not
even crashes, the the vehicles that Jake
Barber and his team retrieved were in
fact of extraterrestrial origin, the egg
and the eight gun at these test ranges
in California. If we're at par and it's
hard to distinguish, how do we know?
Well, you you have to actually get to
the point where who's on board and is it
a man-made alien or a real one because
we have man-made ones that are both
robotic and partially biological. Is
there anything about his testimony that
makes you confident that you know I look
I think he's seems very sophisticated
and experienced. No, he he has
definitely dealt with retrieving the
non-human, but he's also has seen and
seen the testing of the man-made ones.
Okay. And so it's his experience with
both that gives him conviction. Yes. And
then it's hard to say because a lot of
the stuff is classified as far as the
differences or whatever because I'm just
trying to think through it first
principles for me and I'm like I don't
know. And I go through the same
algorithm when I'm out there with my
team looking at something. Got it. You
know is it real or is it memorex like
the old commercials you know uh you know
is is it a a well done human faximile?
Yeah. Or is it an actual
extraterrestrial vehicle or NHI craft?
Now the best way to do it is to under is
is if the if that object
responds very clearly to the what I call
the coherent thought intention
that ain't ours that's ET. So one of the
tests we do is
conscious mind matter consciousness
technology interface and if that is gets
confirmed very likely it's ET. If it
doesn't, I'm kind of agnostic about it
and say, "Well, that might have been
ours. It might have been theirs." And it
without enough data, um, who knows? And
we have had experiences where the ETSs
themselves have teleported right into
our circle or near our circle. We have a
couple great photographs of them. Why
are you so controversial? I tweeted
today that I'd be speaking to you. I was
very excited for this. For me, this was,
you know, long time coming. I was really
excited to just dive deep with you. And
I want to say most people were pretty
positive on Twitter, but there was a
subset of people that were like, "Ask
them about, ask him about the flares at
the C5 thing, like you see put out."
Yeah. You know, that was put out. I'm
going we I don't know anyone who's ever
done that at any of our events, and I
certainly haven't. So, you're on record.
That's That's fake according to you.
That's fake. Oh, 100%. 100%. But here's
what's going to happen. Anything like
that could be an orb. Mhm. If you want
someone who wants to defame you to say,
"Oh, well, that was something Greer paid
someone." First of all, I don't have the
assets to do that. And secondly, I've
never done something like that. Put me
under a sodium penol. But those things
are put out there to discredit someone
who's actually telling the truth, the
whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
That's what they don't want to hear.
They want you to tell a partial truth
that comports with the false disclosure.
So, there's two disclosures trying to
happen. There's the actual truthful
disclosure and there's the truth that
serves the secret agenda. In 99 1999, go
look it up. I wrote a paper and it's
called when disclosure serves secrecy.
So when a disclosure is spun in the
direction Allah Alzando Allah she Allah
Gary Nolan Allah Shehan you don't like
Shihen?
Well, he was our lawyer, but then he
went over to Alzando. Oh. Would you ever
debate Alzando? Oh, sure. No problem. I
think he's going to be in town tomorrow.
Yeah. All the time. You have any I'm on
another show and then I fly out tomorrow
night and I'm I'm injured. So, okay. But
this is the I don't know if you you
showed this when when Mr. Herrera was
there. Oh, yeah. He had a model of this.
Oh, good. Good. Yeah. So, just so So,
this is one of the cases in this new
book. By the way, everyone can order
this. It's hard and soft copy. Cool.
That's an awesome book. Yeah. And
Michael Strat is a great uh illustrator
and researcher. No, he didn't do the
illustrations. Oh, he didn't do
illustrations. No, those were done by a
professional artist. Okay. Okay. And
some of them he had had done before. We
had Well, he helped organize your
archive, right? And he's former Loheed
Martin. Yep. Yeah. He But not doing this
stuff. He was drafting and doing stuff
that conventional. Okay. You know, Mr.
Shrat was not part of the skunk works.
Got it. Got it. By the way, yeah, uh,
James Goodall, Jim Goodall's friend of
mine, and he probably was the last man
to talk to, uh, Ben Rich, Ben Rich
before he died, and he said, you know,
Ben Rich said, "Ah, anything you can
imagine that you've seen at Star Trek
and this and that, we already have done
at the skunk works." And then he said,
"It's not at Area 51, it's out in the
desert there." If you want to talk
regarding Jim Goodall, I'll be happy to
get him on the phone right this very
second. And if you want to, we'll do
this live. Let's Let's call him. This is
awesome. Hey, Jim, are you there?
That's okay. That's okay. So, ju just a
quick review. I'm doing this in real
time. I'm in I'm in Austin, Texas. I'm
with Jesse Michaels. I'm doing an
interview. We were talking about John
Lear. We were talking about your good
friend at You Know Where. So could could
you talk about you know paraphrase here
talk about what Ben Rich told you at the
hospital just before he passed away
just before Ben Rich passed away uh when
I was talking to him he told me this
this end of a 45minut uh conversation he
said Jim we have things out in the
desert and he wasn't referring to Area
51 we have things out in the desert that
is 50 years beyond on what you can
comprehend. I can comprehend a hell of a
lot. Uh and he said, "If you've
seen if you've seen movies like Star
Trek or Star Wars, we've been there,
done that, but decided it wasn't worth
the effort." I've been to that site. I
have videotape and photographs from my
iPhone flying in a chopper over the
Lockheed Skunk Works site where the
man-made stuff comes up. Wow. So when I
gave that to Senate
Intelligence Committee in um September
of 23 about a year, year and a half ago.
Mhm. About 3 weeks later, someone sawed
through the bolt that holds my mountain
bike seat on and it fell and I went down
and my left leg came off, my foot came
off. You see the pictures and these two
bones are in the air. My left shoulder
was ripped off and my right lower
abdomen was split over. I had four
surgeries in three months. That was an
attempt on your life. And who know I
mean somebody messed with that. So, but
you know, I went through rehab and
physical therapy and I'm back working
out and I was fine till this happened
because I leg press 700 lb and I work
out hard. 700 lb. Oh my god. Yeah.
That's amazing. I work out. I mean, I'm
an old guy, but I try to stay strong.
Um, most of the people your bench, your
leg press. Yeah. In June June, I'll be
70 in June 28th. That's impressive, man.
So, I just work out hard. But luckily,
because I work out hard, you know, I was
in good enough shape that the rehab
period, you know, it was hard. I mean,
and because I had no arm or leg, I was
in a wheelchair. And anyone who knows me
knows I'm very active. And it was like
that was torture. So, but I'm I
recovered and um been fine till my
appendix ruptured yesterday. But you
don't need your appendix. It's a
vestigial vestigial organ. Snip snip.
That's right. I think when the nurse was
rolling me out last night at about 10 or
whatever at the hospital, I'm in a
wheelchair because you I'm still kind of
a little loopy from the anesthesia and
she says, "Did you have you forgotten
anything?" because I had to get dressed
and I said, "Well, I think I forgot or
I've left my appendix back there." And I
said, "Go get my appendix." I was
joking.
That's gone for good. Oh, we we cut up a
lot. I mean, as an ER, you know, I'll
tell you, when you're dealing with major
emergency trauma like I did, you got to
develop a sense of humor. Yeah. Or
you're going to eat your gun, you know?
I mean, this stuff when you deal at this
level, you got to have a sense of humor.
I mean, Yeah. And you got to have fun.
Yeah. And you got to have I mean my
assistant here, Raven and is an angel.
She's 27 years with me. My wife and I 46
years together. Congratulations. I have
dear friends that I've been with since
for 50 years. So, you know, you you have
to develop a support team. Yeah. A
network of people who, you know, and you
have to learn to have fun. Yeah. I'm a
party animal. If you ever go out
partying with I'm wild, man.
That's funny. I I feel like I've become
uh more uh Oh, I'll be out 3:00 or 4 in
the morning having a great time.
I've become more lame since all my you
know, whatever partying I used to do has
gone into the craziness of the topic.
The topic is so crazy that I'm like, you
got to bring balance, man. You got have
some balance. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair
enough. Balance. Mind, body, spirit. You
have to balance. That's true. Yeah.
Always. Yeah. Everything in moderation,
including moderation. Everything in
moderation. Oh, no. I've never done any
drugs or anything, but you know. Yeah. I
was telling someone, someone once bought
me a third tequila shot. Yeah. Oh my
god. Wasn't tequila. I got so wild. It
was on Halloween. I never had had a
tequila shot. I never drank liquor that
liquor. But it was like, oh, you know, I
was like wild man turned loose, you
know. Well, maybe at some point we'll be
partying with the ET. Who knows? Yeah,
man. They have actually they have a
great sense of humor. Uh-huh. Uh, they
can be very playful and and childlike.
Uhhuh. And uh very into highQ's if we
had a scale 450. Yeah. In that range. Do
you think they're hybrids among us?
Well, look, I think all of life in the
universe is a hybrid, but we're going to
get into something here that's very
complex. Okay. Um, but if you understand
Rupert Sheldrake's morphagenic fields.
Oh, yeah. He's a friend of mine. I love
him. Yeah. Brilliant, brilliant,
brilliant guy. Yeah. Um so anything that
starts to happen through non-locality
and in cons the conscious field can
begin to replicate. So look at the
entire creation that way. Yeah. So I
look at this from a very you know
conscious quantum holographic point of
view
um which integrates is integrative.
Uh now there's a place for reductionism
where you break everything into parts. I
mean medicine, science, you have to do
that. But there's a place to also bring
in this more holistic uh and the whole
that the totality of it that has to do
with the conscious holography
of of the cosmos. And that's what's
fascinating. I think the civilizations
that have survived this sort of crazy
time we're in and have made it through
the nuclear threshold and the
transdimensional threshold and become
peaceful. One of the reasons why I don't
think they're hostile is that if you
have that consciousness that humans have
you're going to destroy yourself before
you get out of your solar system. Look
at us on the brink of World War II with
Russia and China. You know, if you don't
evolve a certain level of peaceful
consciousness. So I always tell people
we have a lot of problems but the root
of it is very not religious the root of
it is social spiritual conscious
evolution because if we don't evolve to
a certain level of that consciousness of
peace and and seeing the oneness of life
here and out there's no future for
humanity because we're not using just
musketss and you know bows and arrows or
even whatever. Now we have weapons of
mass destruction that can destroy the
planet. And in these covert programs,
they have technologies way beyond a
hydrogen bomb that are supercharged
quantum potential scalar type weapons.
So you you really can't go forward as a
people. Uh, and I think that other
civilizations have passed this way
before and if they survived that
threshold or maybe they crashed and came
back out of it, they've learned a very
big lesson. What I'd like to see is
humanity come out of this era where we
are now instead of crashing
completely transforming into a new
civilization and a new awareness about
this. And I think it can happen, but we
need to articulate it and and sort of
show that vision, that path forward. Um,
and it isn't going to happen by just
continuously stirring up hatred. See,
one of the the alien hatred thing, you
know, I think it is it's an exploitation
of of the original sin of humans, and
that's tribalism. So, if you look at
chimpanzees, we're 98% identical. They
organize in the troops and engage in
war.
We have that proclivity. That's where
racism, homophobia, misogyny,
ethnicity, all the war, everything we
fight over, it's it's it's demagogues
being able to trigger that impulse. Now,
the big one to trigger would be human
versus non-human, right? You pull the
whole world together as demagogues and
people wanting power against another
intelligent life form. Was that what
Reagan was referring to in his speech
when he said yes? Because he had been
gaslit. I knew the people who did it.
Wow. General Homeman, no, I'm sorry,
Colonel Homeman before he died. He was
the one who sold
uh SDI Star Wars to Reagan. Wow. And he
told me before he died, he said he was a
full bird colonel. He had been on that
committee selling Star Wars to First
tried to sell it to Carter and Carter
was too smart. Didn't buy it. Then he
told Reagan, so he said, "We had Soviet
Union, these other threats, da da da da
da." And where he really got him is that
he convinced him of the alien threat.
Now, he told me, he said, "We knew that
was false,
but it got billions of dollars for SDI."
So, here's the other risk with with uh
President Trump is that he could be
shown a lot of false evidence.
For example, you go in with a portfolio
of gruesome viva sections and
mutilations and abdu abductions and
other scary things all done by SCOPS
from CIA and other cutouts. But aren't
some of these pre ability to even like
my buddy Chris Ramsey who runs a great
channel called Area 52.
He's an admirer of your work and
consumed it for a while. But he always
points to these he said there's like in
1904 there's like this Chilean cattle
mutilation series and it's like we
didn't have the ability to do this back
then did we in 1904 you know I don't
know what the ev how in my lab you know
who knows what that was okay back then
and what technologies were used if you
have those capabilities Mhm.
what are you using it for? I mean
obviously if they wanted to overtake the
earth and humanity they could have done
it before we had the technologies we had
by the time we detonated the first
atomic bomb. Y okay so it there's no
internal logic to that thesis is what
I'm saying. Yeah. Now, there's a lot of
reason to believe maybe there have been
other civilizations that have done
things where they're monitoring our
evolution
because they know in the future we could
be friend or foe or we could go one way
or another. Um, and so some of this I
liken to imagine if you're well here's a
good analogy. Imagine you're me as an
emergency doctor. Yep. Someone comes in,
either a 2-year-old child with the
symptoms of menitis. Mhm. Right. Which
can be fatal. Mhm. All right. So, I have
to do a spinal tap and I have a needle
this long, you know. So, to the child,
I'm a
monster who's having my nurses hold the
child down in the fetal position. and
they go in and get the cerebral spinal
fluid off from around the spine to test
it to see if there's bacterial or
infection.
But to the child, I'm torturing that
child.
I'm trying to save its life. I'm I'm
there with the best of intentions doing
everything I can to be sure this child
doesn't die of menitis or have brain
damage and hearing loss.
So I think we have to also be careful in
taking just a a empirical observation
let's say in an ephemeral superficial
way and ascribing modem to it
right because think of how many things
I've had to do as a doctor. Doesn't that
flip the other way too though? Like how
can we know they're positive on the You
know what I mean? Because as I said the
uh the colonel in charge of the Wright
Patterson Air Force Base operations for
this Mhm. Uh Colonel Canola when he said
to me that day he said that was I went
from the Rockefeller ranch to there.
Wow. He was head of the foreign
technology FTD. Well at that time it was
called Fastic foreign aerospace science
and technology center. They keep
changing the name of it. So you spoke to
him directly. Oh yeah. That meeting was
ordered by the head of intelligence,
joint staff, not Kramer, but another
one, not not uh Tom Wilson, but Admiral
Kramer ordered that meeting. You met
with all these fascinating people. I
don't know. Like, you know, I'm a fan of
Joe Rogan, but I don't see how anybody
can just write you off. Like, you you've
really like Well, no. I mean, it's it's
a money thing. Threats and money. I
mean, look, I don't know. I mean, you
ask Joe, he's a neighbor of yours, you
know. Fine. I'm happy to go on a show
anytime. Mhm. Mhm. I have no grudge
against him. I just know that I'm
blacklisted off of it. That's stupid.
It's weird. Well, who cares? I mean, you
know, I mean, I can reach a lot of
people other ways, but So, what was your
conversation like with the Well, I I I
you know, he thought I was coming there
to see what he had. Mhm. So, I said I
had my military adviser there and a guy
who was a former state department
actually CIA guy there. And this meeting
had been ordered from way above his pay
grade. Now the head of air force
intelligence didn't want to do it, but
the head of intelligence, the whole
joint staff ordered it. I can talk about
this now. So it happened. And um the
conversation kind of went like this. He
went, well, you know, um I really I
said, look, I'm not here to see what you
have here. I already know what you have
here. M I have people who worked in your
facility. Now this is September 93. So I
said you I don't need to see that. I
know what you have. I'm here to let you
know that we have an
operation C5 contact closing counters
and we want to deconlict what we're
doing with anything you and your
colleagues are doing so that you don't
interfere with us and we don't interfere
with you. A lot of people don't know
this. That was 93 really early on. So
you kind of came to them in peace. You
weren't like, "Oh, yeah. Let us all
out." Yeah. But I also said the Clinton
administration is keen. He just taken
office in January, this September, in
getting and this may come here, so you
need to be prepared to cooperate. Yep.
And u then he said at one point, "Well,
what what makes you think that these
civilizations are a threat?" You know,
the whole party line because I mean, he
was a colonel. He brainwashed like
everybody else. And I go, "Well, we're
having this conversation, aren't we?
We're breathing the free air of Earth.
And the fact that we're still breathing
the fear, the free air of Earth, given
the galactically stupid things we've
been doing, targeting and downing their
own craft and killing their own people.
If they were hostile like you think,
we'd be done, right?" He just looked at
me. So I said, "The proof that they're
not is that you and I are still
breathing Earth's air." What if they're
impervious? What if it's like these
biological drones where they're like,
you know, this is this is sort of like
disposable stuff. Oh, some of them are
like little vonoyoman replicators to
like, you know, some are some are
organic indigenous ET. Some are kind of
robotic. Um, they have integrated
circuits in their cerebral cortex, but
we have man-made grays and man-made
looking ones that have that because
we've studied them. Do you believe in
different alien races? the grays, the
Nordics, the reptilians, things like
that or Well, no, all those names are
just racist appellations.
I mean, remember I was talking to you
before. So, it's all one. The foundation
of all of ufology
is let's call it interspecies racism.
That's the f everything that you're
mouththing. They've just been able to
trigger the innate racism within
everybody. Everyone's we're all monkeys.
We all have this sort of monkey mind.
But are there ones that look different?
There dozens and dozens of them. Okay. I
know that Clifford Stone said in the 60s
and they're all good. All of the There's
no indication any of them are hostile.
Okay. There's indications that some of
them are extremely unhappy. Okay. With
what we're doing to the planet and what
we're doing to them. So, but there is a
universal right to self-defense. Yeah.
Number one. Number
two, let's say you're a species been
monitoring this planet
for thousands or hundreds of thousands
of years.
In a hundredyear period, we go from
horse and buggies to thermonuclear
weapons. We go from a pristine
environment that was an
agricultural
civilizations to a an industrial
civilization that
suppresses the natural evolutionary
breakthrough in electromagnetism to have
free energy and we're destroying the
biosphere. We're killing the oceans. We
have thousands of species of plants and
animals going
extinct. And so if the earth had been
somehow bioformed or assisted in its
evolution, they would be less than
amused. not with humans per se, but with
the captains of human
civilization. So, they would be right in
saying that we're mad. You know, it's
like as an emergency doctor, you can
commit someone
if they're a danger to themselves or
other mentally ill or substance abuser.
I believe that these some of these
civilizations view us as collectively
insane. that humans given what we're
doing to the planet and to each other
and now to them are sort of mad like
what the heck's going on. So, I
encourage people to step out of the
anthropocentric, you know, self-centered
view and begin to look at the world and
what we're doing through the eyes of a
nonhuman intelligent species who would
rightly be appalled
at what we've been doing to the earth
and to each other. endless world wars,
the Earth's biosphere, the oceans dying,
the coral reefs
dying
unnecessarily because we've suppressed
the genius breakthroughs of Nicola Tesla
and others in energy generation so that
a handful of Uber oligarchs and control
freaks can benefit from that system.
Right? In the whole planet only
0.83% of the population has any
involvement with energy generation at
any level green or
otherwise and for that the we're sending
the planet over a cliff. Have we made
agreements with the aliens? Like there's
this rumor in 1954 that Eisenhower was I
think in at like Palm Desert in
California or where was it? Palm
Springs. I think it was 56. 56 might
have. I thought it was 54. Maybe it was
in Mura around. Yeah. And he says, you
know, it was under the cover of a a
dental exam, but he might have actually
made an agreement with some alien. It
was an agreement. It was a meeting. It
was a meeting. And the what the ETSs
wanted us to stop the nuclear holocaust
potential. Mhm.
And we were to then do so. Do you
believe this? Do you think this
happened? Well, I got a I got a series
of reports from the French Ministry of
Defense indicating that meeting did
happen, but it wasn't the mythology
you're referring to. And it was really
an attempt by the ETSs before we went
full-on dangerous proliferation of tens
of thousands of thermonuclear weapons to
try to change that direction. And
Eisenhower was inclined to do so. this
cabal of war mongering sociopaths like
Alan Dulles and Paul Melon said no we're
not and they're the ones who then cut
the president out of the loop. This is
why one of our whistleblowers was a
young army guy at the White House in the
Eisenhower in the signal corps I think
5960 named Steven Lovkin. You can read
his testimony in our material. And he
said that Eisenhower would doodle
pictures of these, you know, ET craft.
He was fascinated. And he brought the
issue up to Eisenhower and said,
Eisenhower said, "Well, I don't have
control of this anymore."
So, I think that because
Eisenhower, he knew the dangers of
endless war. He had been a five-star
general World War II, and he wanted
peace. I think he wanted a golden age.
And I think about the time I was born in
55. I think this happened in could have
been 54 or 56. But around that time this
could have all gone another way. You
see? So what a waste. And so instead he
got pushed aside. That group of
sociopaths and control
freaks then took over those operations
and those have been illegal operations
ever since. M and so the president I
think Eisenhower what I understand died
a very bitter man about this. He never
spoke of this in particular but he also
knew that there was an organization that
had moved him to the side. Jack Kennedy
said the same thing to Bill Holden his
the stu chief steward on Air Force One.
But I have many data points for this.
And so, you know, my concern is, you
know, how long can that continue with an
unchecked group with that kind of power?
Uh, I don't think it can go on much
longer because their technological
prowess has reached a point that it's
not only a threat to Earth, it's a
threat out there. And so, I think we
have to resolve it. My recommendation is
resolve it peacefully. Well, let's see
what happens. Dr. agre. I mean, we have
uh we're kind of on the verge of like
this deep politics civil war right now.
It feels like with US aid and Elon and
Trump on one side and kind of
bureaucracy on the other side, they're
really clashing. And uh so it's an
interesting time and uh I hope that all
the political capital spent on all the
other disclosures do not cut against
UFOs and in fact they cascade into UFOs.
So take there. Yeah, I think all of
that's a sideshow and and a waste of
time. Here's what I think. You know,
there it's fiddling while Rome burns.
So, all those other things, I'm not
saying there all there's all manner of
corruption and waste and fraud, but the
big
one is this stuff, UFOs. It's the This
is where 8 to 12 trillion minimum is
gone. Yeah. And it's still going. Yeah.
And so the question is, you want to get
serious about this? Same thing with the
criminal criminalizing
uh and illegally using the criminal
justice system against people, you know,
and also letting people get away
literally with murder and abductions and
kidnapping. one of our whistleblowers
whose whose case is in here who we don't
name he's by a initial he was on a crash
retrieval team in the northern Nevada
desert way north used to be called the
Nevada test range and about I think it
was 2009 somewhere around there he was
on a team retrieving these objects and
it's a very long story but cut a long
story short uh when he reached out to us
I was going to bring him to Senate
Intelligence and Armed Service services
and then over to
Arrow. And we were getting in the
process of actually getting this ticket.
Yeah. So, those of you who cavet about
the fact you have to pay money for this
book like you do a latte at
Starbucks. I don't I'm I'm retired and I
don't I don't get money from all this.
It's paying for whistleblowers to go to
DC and provide security and all that.
So, you know, all these the naysayers
and say, "Why is there a tuition?" I
said, 'Well, how do you put on
something? If it costs $200,000 to rent
a facility to put on an event, who's
paying for that? Me out of my I'm a
doctor, not a tech billionaire. Anyway,
you know, but so we're getting his
ticket. We're bringing him to
DC. A van pulls up, SUV out in front of
his house. His wife's at
work, and they have two young kids,
boys. And the they say, "Look at your
phone and your computer." And they had
embedded child pornography all over it.
No way. Yep. Happens all the time. They
said, "You take one more step towards
this. You're going to spend the rest of
your life in prison and never see your
children." So, I have said this to
people in law enforcement. I said, "Why
should someone who's a hero of the
country be afraid for his life and
afraid of false imprisonment and
enttrapment?
Where is our justice systems? Where's
the department of Miss Bondi? Where and
Cash Patel? Where is federal law
enforcement? When you have this kind of
thuggery, but I we've had this thuggery
used against
uh even folks like the senior
investigators for Senate Intelligence
Committee. So, at what point does
someone grow a pair and stand up to the
Goliath? Now granted, it is a Goliath
and they have enormous power and
enormous technology and they're very
corrupt and they're ruthless. They will
kill their own. But I don't think that
that is any excuse for putting your tail
between your legs and running away like
a coward. Maybe Elon's engaging in some
sort of encirclement strategy where you
go for the the less important stuff
first and then you
you know I I don't know. I mean again I
I don't know Mr. Musk and I wish him
well. Mhm. Um and I what I do know is
that there are very senior people around
the president who are taking this
seriously which is a good thing. Yeah.
And um there are some wonderful people
in there. Uh like RFK Jr.'s
son's wife Amarillis Fox Amarillis Fox
Kennedy is a friend of mine and she's
gonna she's on the White House
intelligence advisory group now. and and
I will also work closely with Tulsi
Gabbert who's the DNI. I've met Tulsi
before and I think she's great. And then
I heard I've heard great things about
Amarillis Fox too. Oh, she's one she's
Amarillis is wonderful. She's very
smart. She understands everything we've
been talking about. And I think RFK Jr.
does too in my conversations there but
uh not at a granular level and not at a
you know but I think uh there are people
in place who I think can help guide the
administration to what the facts are and
what the truth is but more importantly
we need to get past this thing of just
endlessly yaking and investigating the
issue we need to action no I'm with that
yeah we have to we at some point the
federal government of the United States
and others
are going to need to take action to get
those operations under control. Stand
down the malignant ones that are
targeting ET craft and victimizing other
humans with abductions, mutilations,
threats. And then we also need to have
somebody with enough vision to say,
"Wow, well, if we're not alone in the
universe, maybe we should reach out." I
mean, Mr. Trump reached out to Putin and
Zalinski. Maybe we need to learn to
reach out to out there. Mhm. So let's
reach out to these civilizations and
began a Rath Prol and a dialogue. That's
the whole concept of the reason I
started this whole project was for that
reason. Well, on that and I got diverted
into these other things. But that's the
real purpose is let's go forward in a in
a world where we're at peace. Yeah. And
we're in peace and space. We've
transformed our whole civilization into
a new high-tech society and poverty
vanishes within a generation. I may live
to see you will. My children will and
and let's have a new world. That's a
beautiful note to end on. Let's move
forth into a utopia, not hit the great
filter, let out all this suppressed
technology, and commune with the
extraterrestrials. Thank you so much for
your time, Dr. Green. I really
appreciate it. This was an honor. Thank
you. Yeah.