The text explores the philosophical concept of the soul's agency in karma, differentiating between its inherent nature and its current state to resolve the paradox of its perceived bondage and liberation.
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Regarding the Third Fundamental Truth of the soul,
being - the soul is the doer of karmas,
disciple has been thinking about it.
So, there are two options, either the soul is a doer or the soul is a non-doer;
two options.
I'm talking about the disciple's thought process right now.
If the soul is the doer of karmas,
meaning, if it acquires karmas, which bind the soul
and puts the soul in bondage - bandhanma,
then it might be its nature.
So, it cannot be destroyed, removed, given away;
this will continue forever.
So, if we accept the first option, there is nothing like liberation, because
it is a nature of the soul to acquire, accumulate karmas and be in bondage.
If you take the second option - the soul is not the doer,
then we have four options.
Who is the doer?
When you say... Because karma is evident.
So if it's... if the soul is not the doer, someone has to be the doer.
So till you don't give these options,
you cannot even conclude that the soul is non-doer.
So four options:
1. The karmas binds the karmas.
So the past karmas
inspire the new karmas and they get bound.
2. Automatically, without any reason, you don't even need the past karmas.
The new karmas just come;
I said bang, and get bound, for no reason.
You don't even need the reason of past karmas.
Not the soul's effort, not the past karmas; nothing, for no reason - automatically.
So, that was the second option.
3. Prakriti - matter does everything, and it seems
that the purush or the soul, is getting bound, is the doer, but actually,
it is the prakriti who is doing, and the soul is unbound, unattached, non-doer.
That was the third option.
4. God's inspiration - because inspiration is needed for karmas.
So, if not the matter, because matter cannot inspire,
soul does not inspire because the soul is unbound according to the disciple,
so we will need a third agency which inspires.
So he says, then everything is by God's inspiration.
So, God's responsible for everything and the soul is non-doer, unbound,
so no reason to think of liberation because it's not in bondage,
it's always dependent on the compelling inspiration of God.
So one, the soul is the doer, but then it becomes the nature
and the soul is non-doer, then these four options.
So we saw this, how the Guru resolves this, and one and two - three things we saw.
So quickly, I'll be asking how the Guru resolved this
and you will be giving me the words of the verses, by which this doubt gets eliminated.
Karma j karta karma - karmas do karma (doer), how is this eliminated?
By which words, of verse 74?
Hoy na chetan prerna. So, mundane matter cannot inspire,
it needs the inspiration of the soul -
'hoy na chetan prerna' solves it.
Then the second option, karmas automatically get bound - how is this solved?
Jo chetan kartu nathi, because if there is no soul's inspiration,
karmas cannot get bound, it can move...
karma meaning karmic particles, but for practical purposes, I am using karma.
Karmas can move in the atmosphere, but not get bound and show impact on the soul.
It can touch the soul, but it won't get bound,
or it gets bound only by soul's inspiration.
Correct?
So hoy na...
Jo chetan kartu nathi is the answer.
It is not the nature of the soul.
It may be a tendency, it may be its capacity to do, so it is doing - doer.
But it is not the nature of the soul - which words?
Again, the same thing - jo chetan kartu nathi.
So, first of all, soul is doing and 'jo' means if,
if it indulges in likes and dislikes.
If it is in an equanimous state,
then no karmas occur, the karmas just touch the soul and go away.
But if there is likes and dislikes, in the form of...
inspiration in the form of likes and dislikes, feelings, impure feelings,
then the karmas, which were just passing, get bound!
Clear?
So, now we have another two alternatives, options, queries to solve.
Two arguments that the disciple had put forth in verse 71
about the soul not being the doer of karmas. So actually there were three arguments,
but for the non-doer, there were only two.
One was about the nature of the soul. So there, the soul is the doer.
So, two arguments that the disciple had put forth in verse 71
about the soul not being the doer of karmas
were resolved perfectly by the Guru in verse 74 and 75.
Now the solution of the two options presented in verse 72, what was it?
I think completely and absolutely are the very apt words.
Because 'always pure' - of course, it's always pure; the nature is always pure.
But 'only' if you say, that purity is the definition of the soul...
So the Guru says, of course you are right,
sada asang - always unattached, but only from a certain perspective.
He is not yet saying nature and state and... all this, I have said.
Param Krupalu Dev has not said.
Param Krupalu Dev has said, only from a certain perspective you are right.
Not completely. See, how beautifully the Guru explains.
If the soul is always, absolutely, completely non-attached,
meaning, without the association of karmas, without the influence of the karmas,
association and influence.
If it's completely without the influence of karmas,
bhasat taney na kem - why is it not experienced by you?
If the soul is absolutely non-attached, then why is it not experienced by you?
Then why are you unable to experience that pure Self now?
Why all this routine of spiritual practices? Sorry, culture.
It is culture, but sometimes we get tired and bored, we say what is all this routine?
Wake up in the morning and perform Devvandan; evening also Devvandan,
bhakti in the morning, bhakti in the evening;
and the same routine of scriptural studies and offering service; same thing.
Why do you need? You are already a pure soul!
Why are you unable to experience it now?
You should be experiencing it from the beginning; beginning means verse 44.
When it was said, soul exists, it is eternal, etc.
And you say, "Of course it's right. I am experiencing it."
There wouldn't be verse 45.
You could go straight to 'Aho! Aho! Shri Sadguru' - thanksgiving only.
So why weren't you experiencing from the beginning?
When you have an experiential evidence, then why did you utter, in verse 45?
Why did you doubt the existence?
Cannot be seen, its form is unknown,
cannot be experienced by any other senses, hence it does not exist.
You already had an experiential evidence.
However,
such a non-attached pure soul is not experienced, and that is the fact.
Right? It's not experienced.
So it is evident that the soul certainly has the association of the veil of karma.
You would say that the veil of karma is such that I can't experience my Self.
I am but I can't experience.
This handkerchief is coming to be of great use.
Is the clock here or not?
Are you able to see it? (No.)
Why?
Why, Dr. Mansi?
It's covered, concealed; there is a veil.
So this veil of karma prevents us from experiencing the pure Self.
So it is evident that there is an association,
rather, influence of the karma on the soul.
Correct?
So all this what I said comes only in the first line;
keval hota... keval - if it is absolutely non-attached and pure,
why is it not experienced by you?
Only those which are bound by karmas are not experiencing,
but you are saying it's unbound,
absolutely unbound. Then you should have experienced it from the beginning, not now!
Then why did you waste my time? First Fundamental and Second Fundamental;
you could have saved so much time, so much money, that we spent in two Yajnas.
Atma chhe, atma nitya chhe - existing and everlastingness of the soul.
You would have experienced.
Therefore it cannot be said that the soul is completely non-attached
or absolutely non-attached
because we are experiencing the veil of say ignorance,
or say karmas, or say passions, whatever!
Correct?
And now what does He say? Asang chhe - soul is non-attached.
The moment that fellow is convinced it's not asang,
the moment he's convinced now, that the soul is not without the association of karmas,
not totally pure, not non-attached;
the moment he is convinced, what does the Guru say? It is non-attached.
It is non-attached - you can put comma. It is non-attached,
and now how do you explain this? Very very simple.
There are two viewpoints - the absolute viewpoint and the relative viewpoint.
I'll take one minute of yours. The two viewpoints:
absolute viewpoint, relative viewpoint.
The real viewpoint, the practical viewpoint.
The real viewpoint, the practical viewpoint - nishchay nay, vyavahar nay.
So what is true? No, both are true in their ways. Why?
Because this focusses...
This viewpoint focusses on the nature.
This viewpoint focusses on the state of the soul.
Nature of the soul, state of the soul.
It may happen that... Is there anyone in the audience who has very long hair?
Stand up and come ahead.
Her hair, braids?
(Wonderful.)
Wonderful... Skin?
(Okay.)
So, is she okay or is she wonderful?
Come on now, don't confuse me. Just tell me, is she okay or is she wonderful?
You may say as loudly as You want, but we'll say both.
It depends from which viewpoint you are seeing this lady.
If you are talking, if you are focussing on the nature, we will say pure,
pure and only pure; absolutely pure.
And if you say my current state, so you will say impure.
If you say Param Krupalu Dev's current state, again, you will say pure, pure and only pure.
Thank you.
So, when the focus is only at different places;
either on the chotla - braids, or on the cheeks. C-C. This will come!
So if the focus is on the braids, the answer is absolutely pure, say nature.
And if the focus is on the cheeks, then you will say, if she put some efforts...
if you put forth true efforts...
If you want to attain the supreme truth, make true efforts.
So the Guru does not have to do a lot of spiritual practices to accept that fellow.
When we come across someone whose opinion is diverse or opposite,
just to accept them, we have to actually
recollect the words of the Enlightened Ones;
'Oh God, give me strength to see good in this person'.
But the Guru does not. Guru has a very nice gear system; automatic gear,
automatic!
If He wants to ensure that he's not offended, then He will switch the gear that way,
and if that person is a seeker and wants to know the complete truth,
then whatever he's missing out..
The ignorant person... this is the main problem of ignorance;
it only wants to hold one.
Either the soul is absolutely pure or the soul is absolutely bound.
Both are true,
but, either you want to hold this, or this,
and that becomes a partial truth, which is false.
This way you cannot attain Self-realisation.
You may be so right in your viewpoint,
but considering it the complete description of the soul; complete, you become wrong.
So see the beauty - all this nature, state; nothing, no word is mentioned here,
and still everything I'm taking out from this verse only.
Keval hota - if it's absolutely non-attached - asang,
why isn't it experienced by you?
Simple logic. Why logic also? Experience!
What you can experience now? That I can't experience the soul.
That is your experience right now. So you can't be absolutely pure.
Why aren't you experiencing your soul? Because you are impure.
Don't think so much, everything is in the verse.
Because you are impure, you can't. Why are you impure?
Because you are bound by karmas.
So, who acquired all these karmas?
You! Then you are the doer; finished.
Now, see the beauty in the last three words, asang chhe - soul is non-attached!
He accepts it, soul is non-attached, parmarthathi - from the absolute viewpoint,
which focusses on the nature only.
Nishchay nay focusses on the nature of the soul only, so it is non-attached only.
Yes, when my binoculars, my camera is on the nature of the soul,
I am finding it satyam - truth, anantam - infinite; I'm finding it pure,
I'm finding it blissful, pure, peaceful, powerful; everything.
So the mantra was
from the absolute viewpoint - I am a pure, peaceful, powerful soul.
In the morning you said Kshamapana; 'Oh Lord, I have forgotten too much, I am a sinner',
and after 10 minutes you are saying, I am a pure, peaceful, powerful soul. Are you...
No, that was from that viewpoint, absolute viewpoint,
that was from the practical viewpoint or the viewpoint which focusses on my current
states.
So I am helpless, I'm a sinner,
I am roaming aimlessly, am lowest of the low;
yes.
But now I don't want you to cry,
I want you to change your focus to your pure, inherent, eternal nature.
So, now what will you say?
Now try to say 'I am a sinner',
'I am helpless, shelterless' - you will not.
You will have to say I am pure, peaceful, powerful; and Param Krupalu Dev's command -
by reflecting over the nature of the soul in such a way, one can attain omniscience.
Not 'I'm the lowest of the low, lowest of the low',
that was only the first station - introspection.
Then I talked about the second station - contemplation;
I am a pure, peaceful, powerful soul.
So from, 'I am a sinner, helpless, bad-tempered etc.',
you came to 'I'm pure, peaceful, powerful',
and then you go beyond this in meditation and you...
So that's what is there - pan nijbhane tem;
nijbhane - on experiencing the pure Self and abiding in that awareness,
you can actually become non-attached.
Meaning, you get rid of karmas and at that particular moment, your state is karmaless.
Nature was karmaless only, but now your state is karmaless.
Fantastic, isn't it? Okay, so...
From the absolute viewpoint, focusing on the nature, you are asang - non-attached.
But, current state - you are full of impurities.
But, when the soul realises its pure nature,
when the soul experiences its flawless nature, and abides in it,
it starts getting rid of karmas - the karmic bondage,
to the extent at one point - end of 14th stage of spiritual development,
it is devoid, it is totally karmaless.
And so, from the vyavaharik viewpoint, practical viewpoint, relative viewpoint also,
he becomes asang - non-attached.
Its nature was non-attached from the absolute viewpoint, even now.
But its state becomes non-attached, when? When he experiences,
pan nijbhane tem - when he experiences his true nature; meaning Self-realisation.
The process starts from Self-realisation,
ends at attainment of liberation.
Little by little, the karmas are reduced until reaching the karmaless state.
Isn't it wonderful?
So it can be concluded, at present the state of the soul is impure, tainted.
At present the state... Again.
At present, the nature of the soul is impure.
Pure? Oh, okay!
At present, the state of the soul is impure, tainted.
So because of that, it continues to indulge
in cravings and aversions - likes, dislikes, simple; because the current state is impure.
And because this impurity of the soul
is instrumental in acquiring the karmic material, particles,
therefore, the soul is the doer of karmas.
That's what was needed to be proved. At present, it definitely is.
Clear?
Let's sing.
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