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day good to see you we're debuting these
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yeah for sure so uh you were just
telling me that you had a brain
disease and you what did you do to fix
it so I uh what was it first of all uh
it's temporal of epilepsy with mesial
temporal
sclerosis when did you develop this we
don't know but uh I started having
seizuring like a few years ago and
everybody in my family knows I'm a
neuroscientist I've say with a lowercase
n not a PhD neuroscientist but uh but
you studied Neuroscience yeah I I
postgrad at Harvard and and Duke but uh
they assumed you know Chase has studied
all this stuff he's going to know if
he's having seizures but these seizures
come with amnesia so I didn't remember
that I was having any of them and this
was like three years ago I had retired
from the military and then started
having these
seizures
so then I I found a neurologist just the
the drug that they gave me the number
one side effect was
seizures of from this pharmaceutical
company so I kind of looked around and I
found this guy's a functional medicine
guy and he got me on uh methylene blue
to start off and I know Mel Gibson was
on here talking about it m and that
instantly stopped
everything and some other stuffff was a
fabric die right yeah in 1890 how weird
and it who the [ __ ] drank it
first who's that guy make blue jeans out
of that huh wonder what it tastes like
yeah what if I drink it every day if it
affects my health it it tastes like
chewing an asp I'd take it okay yeah I
take it every day as well and yeah RFK
Jr told me about it yeah man it's
fantastic and so this guy's injecting in
1890 injects these rats with it and then
does an autopsy on these things and
their brain the brain stem every single
nerve is blue so he discovered this
methylene blue has an affinity for
neuronal tissue so he says well it's
sucking into neurons what's it doing so
we could talk about if you want to but
sure um how it's working and working in
the body so we started putting it in
humans and we found out it's an MAOI
which is mono Aman oxide inhibitor yeah
yeah uh which helps with depression and
anxiety and all kinds of Life stress and
stuff does it um cause side effects if
you're taking any drug that you
shouldn't take with an
MAOI there are some studies that have
been
recalled U that said you can't take it
with ssris because you could develop
serotonin syndrome right but they they
did recall the study as far as I'm aware
and it is so incredible that it acts as
an electron donor to mitochondria
especially your neuronal
mitochondria so it helps you produce
more ATP
and it helps you get rid of this stuff
called reactive oxygen species so you
have a oxygen molecule should have two
hydrogens on it and like your body's job
is to convert stuff into water so you
can pee it out so if you get an oxygen
molecule it's got four five one it's a
reactive oxygen which we call free
radicals so methylene blue goes in there
and balances a lot of those things out
in your brain and your nervous system so
it is a miracle and it's been proven for
a hundred years you it's the one of the
most well-proven drugs out there what
what's the side effects of it are there
any not a not a bunch I would imagine if
you're taking an MAOI there's there wild
[ __ ] going on there yeah like if you mix
it with uh anything that has metamine in
it like age cheeses red wine you're not
supposed to mix it if you're on a high
dose though but you're probably taking
one milligram per kilogram and you weigh
probably 75 kilograms what's that weight
what's 75 K you're probably 189 190
close okay yeah pretty close little heav
than that okay and uh so you take maybe
40 milligrams a day to 80 milligrams a
day and do you you put it in water is
that what you do no I have these little
trokes it's like the consistency of a
starburst oh okay and you just cut them
up and they're 40 milligrams each U you
obviously got to swallow them really
quick or your teeth are going to be blue
for the for an entire day yeah yeah it's
a pretty potent die see need my pee yeah
well I had to change the toilets in my
house to to Black toilets cuz my
kids my kids take it my wife takes it
Jesus everybody takes it but like if you
go to a party and you forget to flush
everybody just thinks that it's there's
it's one of those supplements that I
take I'm like are you sure like every
time I take it I'm like are you [ __ ]
sure like I I drink it in in water I
take a little eye drop and I squirt in
water I drink it and every no Gary Brea
told me about I should correct that he
told me to take it with uh red light
therapy that's that's what it was about
and he tell you why why it all works he
probably did but I probably forgot well
it's blue why does it work for red light
therapy um so anything that's blue means
that it absorbs red and reflects blue
light so if you're in a red light
therapy machine all your neurons are
soaking up way more red light than than
they otherwise would without methylene
oh so it's Fant it's like 600x the
effectiveness of red light therapy
really I'm making that up but it is a
significant yeah it's a significant
increase how weird is it to be uh
essentially a brain expert and get a
brain disease it was horrifying because
I know where this is going to go at the
end of the day your hippocampus your
memory Center of your brain is eating
itself and during a seizure you can lose
up to about a million neurons a second
and my the seizures were like a minute
and a half long and they're not like
shaking on the floor a temporal L
seizure you just kind of like you're
just out like you're unconscious seiz up
like Mitch McConnell yeah like you turn
into a little zombie your head falls
down and um at the end of the
day I I tried so many different things
to to fix it and stop these seizures I
was I was at a point of nine seizures a
day Jesus and I was desperate and you
think this is because of the medication
that they gave you that caus the
seizures or is this just a I never took
it you oh okay so you had seiz seur but
the medication why would they give you
something that has a side effect of
seizures I don't know if you're getting
seizures and I don't know why there I
mean you hear so much about these these
medical schools getting paid off by
companies and stuff that that don't
really have our best interest at heart
and I think that methylene blue it's you
shouldn't have to tell a doctor about
methylene blue I think everybody should
know about it and you can get it on
Amazon you can get it I I get mine from
this company called miden
and it's fantastic and it's changed my
life I would have been gone by now
what's the root cause of this disease do
they know they know what's going on so
there's one there's two factors you have
a genetic
predisposition so you have this thing in
your genes called the apoe4 AL okay
that's the same thing that causes you to
get CTE and yeah or Alzheimer's yeah and
if you have that plus I shouldn't say
causes you but yeah you know it's one of
those ones where if you get hit in the
head a lot it's not a good thing to have
right and then I did 20 years in the
military so being around explosions and
all kinds of gunfire and all that kind
of stuff they said this probably caused
some kind of concussive
syndrome yeah that's a real issue right
exp it's people think of concussions
only as like you getting hit but it's
not it's just it's any kind of jolting
to your body my friend Mark Gordon works
with a uh a lot of soldiers and people
with traumatic brain injuries and he
says you can get it from jet skiing
which is really crazy wow just the
bounce mhm hard bouncing the jostling if
you like people who really love jet
skiing and do it all the time they start
getting a little bit of CTE that makes
sense our our our brain is floating it's
neutrally buoyant inside of liquid so
that makes sense it's smashing around
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mean your your space is like you wrote
this book Behavior Ops manual and you're
you've got a lot of stuff online like
how to motivate yourself and discipline
yourself and that's how I uh found out
about you some of the different videos
that I thought were really insightful
about uh how to sort of schedule
progress in whatever you're trying to
accomplish in your life how to set
things out how' you get involved in all
this kind of stuff it's a story I I mean
I was 19 years old stationed in Pearl
Harbor I got turned down by a girl one
night and I went home and I typed in how
to tell when girls like you on the on
the
internet I printed out like a two foot
stack of of [ __ ] just just to read
through because I didn't want to be
rejected again so that's hilarious I got
into this body language stuff and then
it was just Behavior and the more I
could kind of see somebody's
insecurities and when somebody was
stressed and the little fears that are
hiding behind behaviors like it made
them human to me so I think it had some
social anxiety and me being able to kind
of see behind that mask I wasn't judging
anybody but it was like wow they're
they're messed up too so I kind of got
addicted to that and I just rode this
line down this Behavior path and I got
obsessed with studying all this behavior
and a friend of mine was killed on USS
coal during the the terrorist attack in
in 2001 September 11th the Cole got
attacked in the Gulf of Yemen
and uh I was like reading these
intelligence reports afterward that said
there's failures on the ground we didn't
develop Assets in the country we didn't
you know take the actions that we needed
to take to to get this intelligence and
I was like man they need this Behavior
stuff so I got more and more obsessed
with it and I started training people in
the government uh probably around the
age of 30 or so and that was like just a
few years before I retired at 38 and I
I've the novelty still hasn't worn off
for me I'm still obsessed with that that
field of study so were you trained to
train people like how did you go about
starting to train people what was it
based on it was
me I the first group of people I trained
was a car dealership just to see if I
could do it I said I'm going to go in
there and and do it for free and then I
started training people in the military
and these are US Navy and other other
branches and I'm training them in like
these I got obsessed with this
interrogation stuff and and how the
brain works and and I got mostly got
obsessed with if I'm an intelligence
officer my job is to convince somebody
to do something that's not in their best
interest like I I need to convince you
to spy for your own country and give us
intelligence or if I'm an interrogator I
need to convince you to confess to a
crime so I spent time hanging out with
uh people that do cult recruiting out in
California well there's like official
people like human resources for cult
recruiting yeah what do you mean like
how do was do Cults hire them no I think
they join the cult and the cult says
well this guy's really charismatic or he
was uh I think half of these dudes were
like ex Club
promoters you know they got that Vibe
you know like which come by tonight
right and I spent time in San Bernardino
with a couple of people three or four
people three people that talked people
women into doing adult films like young
girls that were 19 20 years old just
starting college and I talked and I
asked them what are the methods that you
use what are the steps that you follow
and I've watched several of these
interactions and then spent time with
interrogators and people who do like
time share sales and stuff like that
which I don't know if you've ever been
at a time share sales not they're
hardcore and so I spent time with all
these people and I I wanted to figure
out what are the elements that make
somebody willing to do something that is
maybe not in their best interest and and
that transformed everything for me and
then I said we could use all of this
stuff from Manchurian candidates which
we can get into if you want to sure to
uh whatever to help people instead of to
do the opposite so I could use the same
technique to help a person instead of
get them to confess to a crime because
it's just a brain I'm not learning about
interrogation or cult recruiting or
anything I'm just learning where are
these little loopholes in the brain does
that make sense yeah so what Cults were
these people recruiting people
for I can't talk about it you can't say
the name of the cult name how many
different people did you talk to that
were cult recruiters six six so there's
more than six how many Cults are there
active right now it was two there were
two Cults two Cults six recruiters yep I
call them I would call them Cults but um
well I call a lot of things Cults so
throw that word around freely let's do
it and these guys were
just they were they had that little Bill
Clinton energy you know what I mean they
just kind of captivated the person they
were talking to in this little bubble
they were all about you they're really
interested in you and I heard Tom Cruz
is awesome at that oh yeah I heard when
you talk to him you're like the only
person in the room yeah and it's just
that that tell me more tell me more tell
me about your mom and you get that they
all had that quality to them but one of
the things that all of them had the one
trait that I think all of those guys had
was they could get you to deviate off of
your Baseline really quick so if you're
they can get you to curse that's step
one they get you to say something that's
a little bit out of outside of a social
Norm they would all do that as step
one every single time huh so what what
like in the Cults how would they do that
what would they try to get you to
deviate from what would they try to get
you to do so in the their goal was to
get you to agree to join the cult so if
I can get you to do something that's
outside of your Norm so I use something
called elicitation so instead of me
asking questions let's say we get into
the back of an Uber and I want to ask
the Uber driver to complain about his
job mhm instead of using questions which
are weird right so like I'm like hey do
you like your job right weird weird it's
like saying hey how much do you guys
make um you say hey I just read this
article the other day it said Uber
drivers the are the
most highest respect Ed people out there
and they love their job they have the
highest job satisfaction rating that's
incredible and they turn the guy turns
around like what so you bullshitted him
right so just that's called uh
triggering a need to correct the record
it's one of the
methods but I very quickly get your
brain to associate a mental script of
friend mode because he doesn't talk
about that with other writers he he
[ __ ] about his job to his his friends
right so I'm getting your brain to start
shifting into this I'm behaving as if
I'm with a friend right so I start
getting that behavior out of a person
very quickly so we're just activating a
script in that person's mind that goes
from I'm with a client to I'm with a
friend and that's a get that's that
first level deviation of behavior right
there okay and you're once you get the
script activated you can start leading
them in other directions so the Second
Step usually and this goes into manuri
and candidate stuff and if you want to
talk about searan searan and all that
kind of stuff we can sure
um but to get them to start making a
little bit of an identity agreement are
you this type of
person so in
reality if I wanted you to let's say
join a cult like are you the type of
person and I'll just have an AB question
okay so you know in my life I've
discovered there's two types of people
there's people that take action when
they know something's right and there's
people that wait and wait and wait and
I'm sure you know people that wait and
wait and wait but I've got you to agree
that you're type one okay because I said
I'm sure you know people and you're even
your head nodded right right right so
I've got this little agreement of
identity I am a type of person who blank
right so you're influencing a person to
sort of go along with whatever narrative
you've already created about them right
yes okay and if the moment you get to
Identity then you're you're guaranteeing
that you can predict future
behavior and this goes really deep we
can get into hypnosis and all that stuff
if you want to and uh once I get
identity agreement this is the same
thing with politics you see the exact
same thing they identity gets hijacked
and then I can do anything I want
because your identity is involved here
it's not you're agreeing with my ideas
you're agreeing because it's who you are
right but doesn't the person have to
sort of respect you first in order to go
along with this sort of social change
they have to have some sort of an
appreciation of you you have to be
impressive at the very beginning yes but
the moment your identities is involved
they can lead it further and further and
further and then so one of the third
steps there's a million but if there's a
experiment if Jamie could pull it up uh
called the the Lions experiment with Dr
Solomon Ash lion like the animal or l i
n line Lines line L N so where this guy
uh is that a table kind of like this but
there's you're a volunteer at experiment
there's like 15 people in the room
everybody else but you is a is a
is in on the experiment you're the only
volunteer in the room so they show you
these lines that um are three lines on
one page and they show one page that has
one line on it so which line on this
page is equal to this line over here
okay so obviously you're over here on
the target line you're going to pick C
right right I mean that's glaringly
obvious MH so in this experiment Dr Ash
is is doing this Conformity experiment
so these other people in the room all go
before you and everybody in the room one
at a time says a a a a a a and it gets
around to the person and this was almost
100% 100% of people in the experiment
would say
a and it's right in front of their face
H the truth is right in front of their
face and they would they would go with
the group because the group did it the
group is telling them what to choose but
it's not even slight like the difference
is so glaringly obvious it's kind of
amazing how did they uh pre-pick the
people that were going to be the test
subjects like did they have any specific
things that they were looking for
because I think there's a lot of people
that even if you got 13 people to say a
they would go what are you guys talking
about it's C like was there anything
about them that they picked like did
were these people pre-selected for being
no no no and they ran the experiment do
you ever think about yourself in that
room what would you do yeah and I worry
what do you no I think in in reality we
everybody that's listening right now
would say not me 100% of people would
say I wouldn't do that well I think it
kind of depends on your station in life
yeah you know where you're at when I was
young I might have just said a cuz
everybody was saying a yeah you know cuz
I didn't want to be an idiot so that's
one of the things they did they they
repli at the experiment on college
campuses where people are highly
suggestible they're young they're still
trying to figure out who they are and so
a lot more suggestible and this is if
you think of the way that social media
manipulates our brain it it falsifies
tribal
agreement and it makes us say a right so
we're willing to ignore everything that
we see because we're seeing the tribe
say that something else is happening
okay so it'll it override our brain and
if there's one thing like if you just
one thing that that matters a lot is
that our brains are not capable of this
Tech of overcoming this technology we
don't have a firewall and technology has
outpaced our brain's ability to adapt to
it so I can falsify a tribe around you
that says oh this is all happening right
now and Dr Phil you and I both are
friends with Dr Phil MH calls this the
tyranny of The Fringe where this Fringe
pretends to be a group of a million
people when it's just a small group that
gets over a lot of attention it's really
inflated so it looks like it's more
popular than it actually is and if your
identity is already there then you that
a automatically makes sense and will
ignore just basic facts and it's not on
about the right or the left it's both of
those sides have been doing this stuff
for a long time but if I can get you to
think that most of your tribal members
agree to X then most people like 90% of
people will say Okay X is
true well especially with social media
right because obviously it' be about
something about something that's a
little bit more complex than the size of
a line but you're so easily manipulated
because it's not really just people that
are responding it's a lot of bots yeah
and you're seeing that more and more
lately um I was watching this video
today and somebody pointed out after the
video look how many Bots have retweeted
this video and was astounding so it's
like oh there's a narrative that
someone's trying to push because of this
selectively edited video yeah like wow
well you're a dragon believer I saw that
that I love that so much
man that's just the view ladies they're
crazy they're they're the gift that
keeps giving that's that poor lady Joy
Reed or not Joy Reed uh Joy
Bear yeah said you believe in dragons
yeah it's hilarious and the next day I
think I checked your uh Twitter and it
was just said Joe Rogan Dragon believe
yeah I said I have to change it now it's
perfect Beau for someone like me that's
like that's a
gift and it what you were doing is not
just I mean it was funny it was really
funny but it it helped to shine a light
on the absurdity the absurdity that that
some of these people will go to to just
give people misinformation like the most
obvious misinformation well not only
that but it was after she was talking
about the view being a great source of
information because they're part of ABC
News so they check things unlike me who
believes in
dragons so was like it was so perfect
it's like [ __ ] did you even watch the
video and then she said she double
checked it did you double check that
like oh yeah I did I've checked
it that was wonderful oh made my day I
was happy all day that day I was like
what a great day it made my day to see
your change your Twitter well it's funny
when people are so their approach is so
simplistic it's so obvious to anyone
else that it becomes fun it become it
doesn't work at all not only does it not
slander you not only does it not
disparage people's opinions of you it
creates fun comedy yeah it creates
comedy it's like it's so ridiculous but
this is the problem not just with Bots
and social media influence but all also
with Echo Chambers right Echo chambers
that people create where they get a
bunch of people that only agree with
them and everybody disagrees with them
instead of looking at them and you see
that on that show all the time instead
of looking at someone else's perspective
and going okay so tell me how you came
to this conclusion like why do you think
this yeah and like letting them fully
Express instead it's
like everything is interrupting
everything is shouty I disagree with
everything you have said in the audience
claps and and they're going to stand up
for this or for that or instead of
having an actual conversation about
opinions and ideas and how you formulate
them and how your mind works and how you
think about things and why you think
about things instead of that it's just
ideological battles every day exactly
and it's it's identity instead of ideas
yes is what it is yeah it's Tribal it's
super it's well it's a bunch of people
that are afraid to be alone and are
afraid to be on the outside side and so
whatever the group agrees to they find
some sort of mental gymnastics they can
apply to these ideas that make them make
them relevant and it will reverse
rationalize a lot of those decisions yes
so they're emotionally made and
logically rationalized in our head but
we think that it's a logical decision
and it and it it's so easy to weaponize
a human being from a Manchurian
Candidate to just a getting someone to
like something on Twitter because it
makes them feel morally or
intellectually Superior because they
shared it it also makes them feel like
they're a part of a team which people
love I mean we are tribal animals we do
not like to be aone outcast we like to
be a part of a team which is why you see
audience capture is a big thing that
happens to people online they find
people that agree with them and then
they sort of lean into it big time yeah
they lean maybe a little too hard yeah a
lot of people do a lot of people they
kind of lose who they are and people
love to accuse everybody of that it's
interesting because everyone's kind of
aware of it now that it's a thing mhm
which is good you know keeps people on
their toes um but when bringing it back
to the Cults so they would try to get
you to do something and deviate from
your normal patterns yeah and then are
most of these most Cults are like sex
Cults right like pretty much all of them
right they I think they're just started
by really sex obsessed dudes that like
you know what I need a bunch of
20-year-olds in here there a few Cults
that have been started by ladies right
very few yeah yeah a few and then there
was that wild wild country one os's one
where the lady ran it and he was kind of
like sort of just this very odd Ecentric
Guru and she was an assassin I didn't
know this oh you didn't watch that
Netflix documentary no oh it's fantastic
it's so good cuz like all cult
documentaries it starts out like oh
these people have it nailed it starts
out so good they're they're cooking
together and laughing and dancing and
doing yoga and having a good old time en
chanting and it seems like they're
having a wonderful time but eventually
they take over this town in was it uh
Oregon is it Oregon right I think so I
think so um somewhere in the Pacific
Northwest I believe it was Oregon so
they take over a town and they actually
bus in homeless people so that they can
pump up their numbers and uh vote to
take over the town yeah essentially what
some people were accusing the Biden
administration of doing with uh leaving
the borders open for illegals and then
allowing them to vote same sort of deal
so they they took over this town and
they poisoned a bunch of people it's
like really crazy it's crazy documentary
and then eventually it falls apart isn't
that most Cults like that like you look
at it at from the outside you're like
wow they're barefoot walking on grass
they're eating natural stuff organic
stuff having such a good time they sing
together they're having this good time
and then then they take you into the
room yeah and they say you know what Joe
you've reached the level uh aliens live
in your butthole we got to get them out
yeah something like
something crazy it's a lot of them are
sex Cults if they're not sex Cults
they're like money Cults or power Cults
or you know or ideological Cults which I
think progressivism is I think it's an
ideological cult and I think that um
people uh they enjoy being around people
that are very confident that they're
correct yeah when someone like if most
of us like don't what is life all about
so many questions and if you come across
someone who has all the answers and
they're so confident about it it's very
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for people that are asking questions
what are the which may be the type of
people that are joining these Cults
they're they're questioning things in
their life yeah our brains are naturally
attracted to certainty and authority and
there's we can talk about man Authority
is what we really probably should have
talk about but we're attracted to that
and our brains the mamalian part of our
brain will simply follow somebody that
is easily
followed like what is the the clearest
signal it's not the smartest person in
the room not the best idea what's the
clearest signal that's pointing in a
direction that I can follow and our
brains will just default to once we
trust that authority figure we're
automatically going to assign good
traits to them we're going to think that
they're a good person we're a good
person because we're aligning with this
person just because they were followable
okay so it's a clear message and so
these guys who were recruiting people
for Cults were they open with you about
this stuff or did you kind of like
figure it out by talking to them I
signed a ridiculous non-disclosure
agreement with each one of them
individually the main the C ndas no no
no the the the midual the main
organization did not know I was there oh
I see I see and it was mostly they would
go around the mall they spend time
around these shopping mall areas and
talk to people yeah and it was like it
was all kind of very basic at the
beginning so Cults indoctrination is a
longer process it's not like hey let me
talk to you for five minutes and you're
like yeah yeah I'll join your Cults and
we'll worship aliens and stuff together
it's it's a long process we're like the
deviation escalation continues to
increase over time and it's the exact
same way if you're if you're programming
some Manchurian Candidate or if you're a
hypnotist and you're seeing a client you
want to get them to deviate from their
normal behaviors right to fix fix their
behavior right so it's not all bad so we
can use those same a lot of those same
techniques to help somebody instead of
hurt them that's what I started
discovering over the years and I've
studied like how to access every
loophole in the human brain and the
fastest way to do that is through
novelty and Authority number one and
there is nothing faster in the human
brain that where that'll give you that
kind of access novelty and Authority
like give me some examples of that so
let's say uh you and I are living 10,000
years ago 15,000 years ago the average
tribe of people was like 150 120 and
let's say your job and my job was to go
and collect fish in a bag and fish and
then kind of bring it back to the tribe
at the end of the day and every day we
went to the same spot it's a great spot
we walk by this bush this big ass Bush
and one day we're going back and talking
about the fish we got and you hear a
stick snap behind that bush that we
haven't heard before so it's a it's an
unexpected deviation from your mental
script of what's going to happen does
this make sense so so we're walking by
the bush the stick snaps now what's
generated in that moment is a tremendous
amount of focus like there could be a
threat it could be a rabbit that we can
eat right so a threat or a value is what
our how our brain responds to something
new and something unexpected is it a
threat is it valuable socially or
otherwise valuable so the stick breaks
we're not thinking about our kids we're
not thinking about how many fish are in
the bag we're only thinking about this
novel new thing that interrupted my
brain's script of what I thought was
going to happen Okay you with me so far
yeah so in our life when we see
something that's unexpected something
that
we I guess we we're not expecting so
we're driving a car blue lights in your
rear mirror is tremendous amount of
novelty threat value right so our brain
says this is how I my shoes this is how
I go to work this is how I run the cash
register at Starbucks whatever it is we
develop these apps in our head and when
something interrupts one of those
programs our brain automatically says
this is different this is not expected I
need all of my focus down on this one
thing okay and that's how novelty starts
to trigger our brain it makes sense so
far yes and Authority is the second
piece so what would be an example that
someone would use as like novelty to get
like novelty Authority if you want to
get someone to follow you like what
would be novelty that you would apply
give me any any scenario and I'll I'll
tell you okay you're trying to get
someone to join a call yeah so the
novelty right away is I'm going to
approach you and say something or ask
you a question that you've never been
asked before and that there's no
possible way that your brain could have
gotten ready for that scenario and it
could be something ridiculously stupid
it' be like hey did you see these guys
fighting outside like here last week or
you're walking up and you say hey I'm
going to ask you three questions but you
only have 12 seconds to answer no one's
ever said something like that okay so
you're just getting them out of their
comfort zone you're getting them in like
whoa what's going on yeah we're breaking
a pattern okay so we're we're we're all
running on patterns all the time the
moment a pattern is broken we have
tremendous Focus so focus is the first
step to hacking the mamalian brain
Authority is next and
Authority is like if you look at the
mgrm experiment have you heard of this
oh my God have you are you have you gone
deep on it not really I mean but explain
it to people so they know you're talking
about Jamie can we bring up a picture of
the Box the shocking box from this
experiment is just essentially they told
people that they had to keep shocking
people even if and then they did it to
the point where they thought the other
person on the other side was actually
dead and they kept shocking yeah and
what year was this uh 62 1962 at Yale
University um this is a variation of the
experiment but just go to the one the
third
one right there so that's uh Stanley
mgrm standing over that machine right
there so you'll notice on the bottom
right it says danger severe shock right
there yeah so you're essentially told
you going to the guy's on the other side
of a drywall wall he's in another room
but you can hear him yelling every time
you shock and every time you're asking
him these questions and he gets the
answer wrong he's like a he's acting
like a dumbass he's obviously in on the
experiment right but these people think
they're shocking this guy and in real
life man I had that in airplane mode so
in in real life this guy is just he's
running a script he's a a participant in
the experiment he's in on it but as the
person's getting shocked you hear him
scream you hear him say I want to get
out of here I don't want to do this
anymore I have a heart condition he's
banging around and then at at around 300
volts and it goes up to 450 on this
machine 300 volts no more sound he stops
answering questions and these people are
sitting there at the machine kind of
turning around this guy in the lab coat
that's running them running this
experience
and the guy in the lab coach saying well
it's important that you continue the
experiment requires that you continue
and they keep going they keep delivering
electric shocks to this guy that was
screaming before and is now silent he's
not even answering these questions on
the test anymore did everybody do it so
before the experiment started these
bunch of psychologists got together and
they said like all right who's going to
go all the way through who's going to do
everything and they thought
0.4% something like that it would have
to be a psychopath it would have to be
somebody that was malicious or wanted to
hurt people and after the experiment was
conducted 67% of people went all the
way and this is so what we're really
dealing with here is not an experiment
it's a person being talked into murder
in less than an hour a regular normal
human being talked into murder 67% of
them 6 7% and 250 volts is enough to
kill you would you agree if you have the
right amps I I don't know but I I
believe you yeah 100% went to
250 jeez 100%
so yeah so that could kill you 100% at
least attempted murder yeah and I train
sales teams all the time they're like oh
we have you know it's hard to sell this
product or this thing and uh I'm like I
showed them this thing and like where's
the sales script these guys use at
University there wasn't a script it's
not like oh let me get the perfect words
on the phone for this telemarketing
company right there's no script there's
no hypnosis there's no like NLP stuff
going on where I have to say these
little magic words and I kind of view
that aspect of persuasion like the guys
that are obsessed with sales scripts
it's like Harry Potter like there's no
magic words that are going to make
someone take action we take action based
on the Mamon brain and what was present
there at Yale University if you're the
volunteer there you respond to an ad in
the paper you've never responded to
before novelty at a university you've
never been to and a building you've
never been in with two people you've
never met in a room you've never been in
sitting in front of a machine that's
absolutely foreign to you it's alien
every single step of the way was novelty
and then the guy in the lab coat they
made him like I think he was 6'
s and he's running the experiment and we
have this stuff called White Coat
Syndrome where we respond to doctor s
mhm and there's even uh research where
people were given diagnoses and that
they for things they didn't have and
they developed the symptoms because a
doctor has told them this and that's how
powerful novelty plus Authority is is
you there people talked into murder in
under an hour and there's no magic
recipe to do it it's Authority and
Novelty and Authority has five
components if you want to just go into
them so that's confidence
obviously somebody's got to be really
confident to be an authority figure and
this is just a conviction in my belief
and a and a generalized belief in my
head that everything's going to be fine
everything's going to be okay discipline
is number two and discipline I don't say
discipline is part of authority because
like if everybody like when you were
younger you ever like go to a party and
like put a really nice suit on and all
that stuff and like you're you got a 7ot
pile of laundry back at home like [ __ ]
all over your bathroom counter like you
were not put together I I was there
but like there's a part of our brain
that reminds us that we don't have
everything together so when we go out
we're not other people aren't saying oh
this guy is not disciplined no one's
saying that but they are getting a gut
feeling that something's
off because there's something
disharmonic there's something in
congruent about our Behavior because we
know there's a part of our brain says
you know I'm faking this right now I'm
not this put
together so having discipline off camera
when nobody's looking makes gut feelings
in people is was one of those things
where're we have this ancient brain
that's judging whether or not
everything's congruent so confidence
discipline leadership and Leadership
just means if I brought you back a
thousand years could you still would
people still follow you like your
behavior is confident and certain enough
and all of that that people would follow
you not language and all that do you say
the right things and do you give people
compliments that's not what I mean is
tribal leadership from the mamalian
perspective not human so confidence
discipline leadership gratitude and
enjoyment are the final two gratitude
just not saying like I'm I'm keeping
this gratitude journal every day or
anything like that but just I'm a
grateful person and I have perspective
in gratitude so I'm I'm able to zoom out
and think of like the larger picture
when I'm thinking of gratitude not just
like oh thanks I'm thankful for my
health today but I'm thankful like we
didn't have a nuclear war yesterday we
didn't have all this stuff happen and
what the reason these things are
effective
is because they produce having them when
nobody's looking produces the precise
gut feelings in another person that make
them say that's an authority
figure so when you have authority you
can get away with anything you want and
I go to these companies I train
companies and people all over and how to
increase sales and all that and they're
all like well we have a good script
we've got this piece of paper right here
that's that's really great we spent $10
million developing the sales script I'm
like give the script script to somebody
out here with social anxiety and have
them get on the
phone they're going to they're going to
bomb it' be the worst freaking salesman
out there because they they the script
is meaningless but everybody puts so
much value in these words it's who you
are first then what you
say and and people just ignore the first
part I mean if you think of if I go off
on a small rant here I could I could
tell something a question bubbling up in
your head no goe
uh there's too many times people obsess
over symptoms instead of causes so you
go on LinkedIn or whatever it says how
to be confident here are the 15 ways to
be confident here's the 12 things that
confident people do they have great
posture they make good eye contact there
a firm handshake they use your name they
pat you on the shoulder all this kind of
[ __ ] those are symptoms of being
confident it's not
confidence so our culture today is
obsessed with symptoms of things let me
get symptoms of wealth I'm going to get
this Porsche I'm going to get this yacht
I'm going to get this plane post it all
over Instagram and show people that I
have these
symptoms so what we're really looking at
is like when I'm trying to somebody's
trying to learn sales let me teach you
the symptoms of what a good salesperson
has instead of the cause of what makes
them a good salesperson that makes sense
so in order for someone to truly be
confident they have to take all those
steps to make do you want some coffee no
actually yeah okay okay you want it in
the crazy cup or a regular one crazy cup
a little hard to drink out of is it yeah
I'll switch I don't want to dirty that
one up no don't worry about it um so
they they they have to have all those
ducks in a row if they don't people are
going to sense it they're going to know
even if they exhibit all the behavior
characteristics of someone who's
confident is going to be something off
cuz we have some way some ancient way of
un of detecting [ __ ] in ourselves
yeah we get those gut feelings yeah we
know when something's off someone's a
little full of it someone's faking it
yeah and I mean we've all had that
experience like everything looked right
on the surface anybody who's watching it
from a distance like wow that guy's
really confident but in your gut you're
like something's off well particularly
if you have all those bases covered if
you have all those bases covered I think
it makes it far easier to see in other
people when they don't yeah because I
mean if you have confidence that means
I'm living in front of my eyes right I'm
not just stuck back here the whole time
so if you're going to teach people how
to be confident essentially you have to
teach them how to get their [ __ ]
together yeah unequivocably like
undoubtedly you know undebatably like
you have to you have to have your [ __ ]
together clearly absolutely otherwise
you're not going to really be confident
you're always it's always the back of
your head it's always going to be
[ __ ] with you yeah and there's five
areas of your life that I've identify
these are not this is not some self-help
program or anything but there's five
areas of your life that create gut
feelings in other people and that's your
environment how you handle all these
things your environment your time your
appearance your social skills and your
financial life it's like if I've got
unpaid bills I've got creditors knocking
on my door all the time and then I go
out and try to look like I've got my
[ __ ] together I'm going to send those
signals that something's not right to
people that are aware not to people that
are willing to join Cults right correct
that's the problem is that there's not
really an operating manual for life or
for the human mind and we're dealing
with these very complicated systems
complicated systems of work and social
life and and hobbies and all the
different things that people do it's
very very complicated and a lot of
people are just kind of like stumbling
through it learning along the way
hopefully every time they [ __ ] up yeah
yeah so and a lot of that is the even
with these cult recruiters these people
have an unconscious knack to spot
suggestible
people so your level of suggestibility
is how much will you think a person's an
authority figure even if they're faking
confidence that's basically what that is
will you accept a suggestion and act on
it and we've got guys like seiran seiran
uh who killed RFK uh in San Francisco
this 60s I think it's Los Angeles I
think it was San Francisco I think it's
Los Angeles because I was at the actual
uh hotel where they did it actually
filmed Fear Factory there okay see if
that's true I don't doubt you at all I'm
pretty sure pretty sure it was Los
Angeles and there's also some debate as
to whether or not he did it oh I did a
whole video on this on my channel yeah
what did it I don't know enough about it
but I know that there's some people that
you know obviously there's some people
that think that like JFK's driver shot
him there's some like C cooky
conspiracies yeah and Ambassador Hotel
in Los Angeles shortly after K had
finished yeah um that hotel we filmed
Fear Factor there once that's the only
reason why I know and we were in the
kitchen where like sir it happened in
the kitchen yeah we were in the spot
like this is crazy that we could film
this stupid [ __ ] show in a place
where presidential candidate got
murdered yeah was was that the reason
they filmed there um I think a lot of
stuff filmed in that hotel I think the
hotel had been defunct and a lot of um
the there's like abandoned buildings and
things in Los Angeles that they use for
filming stuff okay because there's a big
filming industry like they film films
and TV shows and stuff there if they
it's like a cool environment and it was
like spooky rundown old hotel I don't
even remember the show the episode but I
just remember us being in that that room
going a weird feeling yeah so the Siran
San thing is like that people believe
that's part of MK Ultra that he was some
sort of Mind controlled person I do yeah
and I I mean I may be the number one guy
in the country on the mind control stuff
I think I probably am and I definitely
believe that was influenced by a guy
named Dr joyn West Jolly West yeah yeah
yeah um so and it's not about skill at
at something like if you're doing
something like this it's not much about
skill level it's can you find a good
Target that's highly suggestable and
almost you have some basic skills in
this I give you like three or four days
worth of training in how to do covert
hypnosis and all of this other stuff and
how to create Amnesia in a person so
where you can just uh tell them to
forget something and they'll and they'll
willingly forget
it it's I could train you in three days
how to do something like that it's
terrifying how our brains do not have a
firewall and the moment that our
conscious filter that filters like is
this information good for me should I
accept this information if if I can
bypass that filter which is very easy to
do you can kind of just Jam in whatever
you want into somebody's head and so
what evidence do we have that Sirhan
Sirhan was working with jolly West
there's not a lot it's a lot of
anecdotal stuff but he met with this guy
regularly and I'm not an expert on the
case I wouldn't I wouldn't consider
myself an expert but he met with this
guy at the shooting range on a regular
basis and this guy would talk to him
privately whisper in his ear in the
shooting range we all know this is this
is from testimony and later when he was
arrested after the shooting happened he
said I thought I was at the shooting
range I thought I was shooting at a
Target at a paper Target and he on
record saying this and he has no memory
of that actual event happening to this
day he went up for parole I think a year
or two ago and man all they did was ask
him to kind of admit what you did and
just say what you did and he said I
still have no memory of this event he
had to stay in prison and RFK believes
it
too wow and you've had RFK on uhhuh um
so sir han sirh han is meeting with this
guy who is this guy nobody really knows
nobody fully knows but the guy was
involved and connected to joyon and they
called him radio man that's the only
name that that people have used to
identify this guy
he met siron out of range and expressed
like we're both interested in shortwave
radio stuff and all that kind of ham
radio and they connected over that
initially and then this guy somehow
looped him into the situation he was in
so the MK Ultra stuff um a lot of it was
experimental right they didn't
necessarily have proof that a lot of
what they were trying to do was
effective they knew that they could
experiment with LSD on people that was
Operation midnight climax where they
took over the brothel which is so wild
for people that don't know what this is
they took over brothel and they
essentially had the prostitutes serve
these John's LSD without their knowledge
and then they observed them through
two-way mirrors unb and filmed them yeah
it filmed how they would act yeah so the
CIA was running hor houses I don't even
know if they they had sex cuz they
probably dose these guys up with so much
acid they probably didn't want to but
they observed them and they did it for
years they also ran the um ha Ashbury
free clinic which is wild and um
until like I think fairly recently and
there was a lot of hubub about it after
Tom O'Neal's book chaos came out and I
think it's right after that they closed
the hate ashbry free clinic yeah but the
CIA was essentially a part of the hate
ashberry free clinic in the 1960s and
that's where the Manson family came out
of yeah and I there's a lot of people I
don't I'm not a researcher on this topic
I'm a researcher on the techniques yeah
um but there's guys like uh Sydney gotle
was crazy he was in he was running the
CIA it was called OSS back then office
of special services and it was crazy
they called him a cowboy but they
brought in all this LSD there was a uh
in Canada uh they were running I think
this was man I think it was in Montreal
I'm not no it was in
Toronto um mon talk Institute is that
right uh where they they were doing
things called psychic driving they would
keep people awake and and it was like
Clockwork Orange and they they would
hold their eyes open and just play these
videos to kind of like entrain them and
and really just drive their brains and
these were people that checked into the
hospital with like postpartum
depression and they started doing this
[ __ ] on them they just started
experimenting on them yeah and it I mean
the Canadian government admitted it so
much that they paid these people for
damages so uh just one woman's case that
I can remember I don't remember her name
but she went in for postpartum I think
and she she did the psychic driving when
she came out she had no real memories
anymore she wet herself she had to
relearn how to walk and communicate
socially uh she had to relearn how to
hold her pee in how long was she there
for I think it was like a month and a
half
unbelievable but I think back then they
were trying to find a bunch of different
methods of Mind Control right like
there's a very famous video from the
1950s of uh soldiers in the UK where
they dose them up with acid and you see
them wandering around the woods laughing
and giggling falling down and we had
just got those the videos from the the
Korean War where the the Korean
prisoners were making these videos like
I realize now that America is a horrible
country I I renounce everything I hate
America this these are all the bad
things they've done and the the guys in
the United States are watching this [ __ ]
going holy [ __ ] they've got some secret
technology and we're behind so it was
like a psychological arms
race they just went berserk on this
stuff so they they figured out or they
figured that there's some kind of secret
chemical or secret technique or recipe
that these people are using that we
haven't figured out yet and it was it
was a mad house rap to figure out what
was going on with these prisoners in
North Korea what was going on what were
they doing to the prisoners depriving
them of sleep it was super basic stuff
they were depriving him of sleep
treating them really well this this
they're using these interrogation
techniques that were developed by this
German guy named Hans sharf and every
interrogation system nowadays that's
taught is a is a derivative of Hans
scharf's work and funny enough he's the
most famous interrogator in history and
he was like the first guy that said Hey
what if we're not [ __ ]
what if we're not just total [ __ ] of
these people and take them out on walks
maybe give them a sandwich every once in
a while and the whole time pretend like
we every piece of intelligence they give
us we pretend like we already knew it
and that was kind of his his premise
like let's not be a dick and he he got
famous for that so everything is based
on his work now and funny enough you
ever been to Disneyland sure you you
know the huge Mosaic that you walk
through it's a huge like tile mosaic
thing at the very entrance of of Disney
Lane I don't recall it probably wasn't
paying attention Han sharf made that oh
really by hand yeah whoa weird how much
time did that take I don't know how big
is this thing it's huge see if you can
find it Jamie how big is it he made it
by hand on
acid had to be that thing wow left a
permanent mark on Disney a former Nazi
interrogator [ __ ] like as if Disney
doesn't have enough problems with with
uh Walt Disney being linked to
anti-Semitism the fact that they
actually have a Nazi artist if there was
a competition where I said Joe I'll give
me a million dollars if you can figure
out what this Nazi interrogator did on
the side not come up with that that's
crazy and it's almost bizarre B yeah
it's like a
DMT kind of visual going on well that's
just weird in and of itself that he was
working with these people like how was
Walt Disney connected to that guy no
idea um no clue that's not good that
doesn't do a lot to quell the
rumors you know yeah
so I think it was paperclip so these so
oh operation paper CLI so these people
that are attemp is it is there
documentation that shows the
effectiveness of certain techniques like
do we have any of their work like the
Jolly West does did he publish anything
or did he make re like leave behind
documents explaining what worked and
what didn't work yeah some uh but you
know this guy named uh I don't remember
his first name Church got really pissed
off about all the CIA stuff and the
church Comm Church committee he said
we're going to get it all and then the
CIA launched a destruction order and
said we need to destroy it was like
Enron at the CIA then papers getting
shredded and all this stuff everywhere
and some of the documents survived the
destruction
because they were in a dude's
attic yeah this guy's name he was a
professor in New York at Colgate
University and his name was Dr George
EST Brooks and not many people talk
about him uh but he was big into it him
and Edgar Hoover had a plan to hypnotize
a German submarine Captain split his
personality which is not hard to do um
and send him back home and have him
torpedo his entire fleet inside of his
own
Harbor um and I have all of those
documents so these professors and these
scientists were working with the CIA
while they were developing MK Ultra so
they probably thought they were doing it
for national security purposes yeah and
so they were probably saying look North
Korea is doing this Germany's doing all
these countries are doing this we need
to do this as well yeah I mean they were
at the at the bottom of maso's pyramid
you'll do anything like our country is
going to go down did you read chaos the
Tom O'Neal book no it's about the Manson
family how they did it with the Manson
family it's essentially I mean he he
lays out a very compelling uh case for
the CIA not only training Manson but
supplying him with LSD and then getting
him out of jail every time he got caught
and that it was done to change the
perception of the anti-war movement like
the hippies were Peace Love and
psychedelic music and you know people
were dropping out of society and instead
The Narrative now became no they're
murderers and Psychopaths and they're
going to kill beautiful actresses and
people in Hollywood so they thought he
would be like the vaccine for Timothy
lry and and all the people yes yeah yeah
it's a good way to put it yeah that um
they took this guy who was a con man and
had sort of a a proclivity towards you
know influencing people and being
charismatic and you ever heard his music
no I didn't know he did music yeah he
made he he actually recorded with uh
Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys and um I
think Brian Wilson and him there was
like a real problem because his career
didn't take off and like he threatened
him it became very like very problematic
his relationship with Brian Wilson but
you could there's a so you can find the
song you listen to it a little bit the
man can we play this does someone own
this how's work that was something I've
hadn't we hadn't talked guns and roses
covered one of his songs did you know
that oh yeah yeah we talked about that I
think we did yeah yeah um but he
recorded some songs and you know they're
not that
bad is that him
singing think you're loving baby and all
you're doing is crying
that's not bad it's not bad yeah it's
decent it's not bad it's like it's an
okay shitty song from the 60s yeah you
know it's not something you want to put
on your Spotify playlist but it's it's
not bad it's better than a third of guys
that play at the bar or something yeah
yeah it's better than a third of the
guys on Sixth Street in Austin
Texas it's not bad I mean he was a
charismatic person right and that's what
you need to run a cult and that's what
you need to be a good rock star and a
lot of
yeah and he apparently wouldn't take
them he would give them to people and
pretend to take them and then he would
use these methods to manipulate them
while they're under so like he's sober
and he's going through this CIA textbook
of how to manipulate and control these
people then he gets these people like
Tex Watson and you know Squeaky from and
all these [ __ ] Psychopaths and he
through this sort of indoctrination and
bringing them into the family and you
know they're staying with him for and
then he's committing murders and crimes
and and he keeps getting out he gets
arrested and they let him out and the
sheriffs that let him out they all have
the same explanation I was told it's
above my pay grade and they just let him
out so the guy's violating parole and
he's getting out like multiple times my
God it's very comp yeah and there's a
real
compelling case for Jolly West first of
all there's anecdotal of it J Jolly West
visited him in jail um and they think
that that's when it all
started wow yeah I doubt make sense
because like that's a really successful
cult like as far as like uh the
historical footprint you know like
everybody knows about the Manson family
I mean like that worked that scared the
[ __ ] out of everybody it was weird like
oh my God what if your children joined
the Manson family oh my God my kids are
vulnerable what if they want to be peace
love and flower children they get
wrapped up in the family and that's it
just sort of Chang the tone in
society um with people and it was also
at the same time when they passed that
sweeping schedule one psychedelics act
where they made everything illegal it's
all around the same time and art goes to
zero yeah art goes all art into the
toilet starts disappearing architecture
a lot of things went South yeah car
design but the um the fact that there's
real compelling evidence that this was
the government and that this is the
government's response to this immense
cultural change that took place between
1950 and 1960 and it's not like just
guessing it's like there's real programs
that they were involved in that were
absolutely doing that kind of work 100%
yeah and that's really crazy to think of
and I and it's it gets deeper like there
there are step-by-step programs they
have for creating a meruan candidate
okay like what's step one how do you
know when you can get a guy to be a
manaryan candate can you do anybody or
do you have to get a vulnerable guy do
you get
family I think some of this could be
misused but let me well I don't know if
you know about grock but grock's out
there misusing information so all right
yeah I'll just put it out there you can
get anything from that so like you're a
very social guy okay and you've got
lines in your forehead here from raising
your eyebrows a lot there's people that
are your age that are not very socially
connected to people that have smooth
foreheads oh interesting so if you're
smiling a lot your whole life you're
going to develop these little crows feet
and you'll do it by the age of 19 if
you're a social happy person you'll see
the crows feet you're angry all the time
you're going to see this little muscle
right here the globella I got start to
yeah but your yeah yours is not that
pronounced but whatever emotion we
experience on a very very regular basis
etes itself onto the face as a rule of
thumb saying that this is science is
it's not this is my observation there's
no study that I can send you but we can
see that I mean you can see somebody
who's lived a super happy life you they
have these little smile lines around
their eyes somebody who's raising their
eyebrows a lot this is our social our
forehead is a social billboard right so
you're going to see those lines start
coming on the face but what if I told
you to make a skeptical facial
expression what would you do if you ask
me to be skeptical yeah this is my
skeptical
pH okay so like somebody's trying to
feed you something most people will kind
of these lower eyelids are going to
tighten up it was the first I might do
that too I might do that so you're like
uh most of the time though I'm like what
yeah it's my what [ __ ] face what [ __ ]
yeah
what if I have somebody who's been who
is not skeptical ever in their life they
have the smoothest lower eyelids in the
world huh so to test this out and this
is not this is anecdotal okay but I gave
it to Five Guys who are stage hypnotists
they're out of these comedy clubs every
night knocking people out and all that
stuff and I told them test this Theory
over the course of 5 years they all said
it's 100% accurate cuz you know like
bring they bring people up and some guy
doesn't go all the way in his hands are
stuck together he's like all right sir
thanks thanks for coming go back to your
seat we should explain what we're
talking about there's um comedy
hypnotists and um if you don't know and
if you haven't seen it you would think
it's [ __ ] but uh I was very
fortunate when I was 21 when I worked in
Boston there was a guy who's really good
at it he was an actual hypnotist name
was Frank Santos and he did this show
this comedy hypnotism show I think it
was every month Monday night at uh
Stitch's comedy club and it was insane
he would have people go on stage they
thought they were having sex with
Madonna they thought they were in a robo
like and the robo was going to tip over
it was then they had a dance you know
they that a dance and if they they
danced the best they they thought they
were going to win a million dollar and
it was weird it was weird to watch
because and he could tell when someone
was under and someone wasn't under and
it was weird it was weird to watch
because he it was I never believed in
that I was like well I guess you have to
be a dope like maybe you just have to be
a dope and that's the kind of people
that he picks he just finds the dumb
people but a lot of the people I talk to
afterwards I was like what happened and
they're like I don't know it's just like
he's snapping his fingers and next thing
you know I'm [ __ ] dancing the weird
thing yeah weirdest thing I've ever
experienced in my life so I'm a
hypnotist uh certified hypnotist and uh
I've learned it just because of my brain
Obsession and I didn't believe in it
either I had I had zero belief that it
was real and I went to my first comedy
hypnosis a show like 5 years ago this
guy's name is Rich guzzy and it's a it's
real like I saw this I'm like oh my God
these people aren't just like per
definitely real and so if um damn what
were we talking about um hypnosis yeah
um we were talking about so the
suggestible yeah suggestible people like
how do you pick someone to be a Manan
candidate can you pick anybody or does
it have to be a person that has like
something off about them they would I
don't think they have to have something
that's off you can pick a totally
healthy person that's very highly
suggestible so I have a a TV show coming
out that's fiction fiction and the bad
guy in the book gets access to some of
these techniques and he doesn't know how
to they're not working so he goes to
these comedy hypnosis shows and he just
picks people that were called up on
stage cuz he and he wrecks their lives
pre- select wrecks yeah so someone else
to figure
out so and those people are highly
suggest and they're always more open to
fun they're always better you know they
live in front of their eyes a lot more
and so suggestibility doesn't mean
stupid it means that you're just more
open to the things that are around you
and they're typically happier people
more suggestible people are typically
happier people that's interesting
because they're just blissfully
unaware yeah I mean it depends on if
they're suggestible and addicted to like
Instagram horrifying stuff on Instagram
and they're watching that all the time
oh so they can get programmed easily for
all these things so this guy George eser
Brooks makes this formula to split the
personality of an army officer and they
called him uh
Smith and they're going to split this
guy give his alter ego a bunch of
secrets to take across Enemy Lines and
then deliver these secrets that that are
in his head to this person that's on the
other side of this thing
and in this paper it's a hypothetical
it's written as a hypothetical so they
they're going to split this
guy with the goal being he gets captured
somebody tortures him and put a drill on
his knee or something this other
personality won't come out because
there's a there's a secret word and an
anchor like they'll squeeze his arm and
say Moonlight or something like that and
it'll turn this other guy on is that
really possible to have like a partition
in your brain where you keep other
memories absolutely really
yeah it's not a partition I mean there's
no physical modification of course is
happening but I mean like a partition
like there's something there's another
you in there yeah and I I'll tell you
something scary when it comes to
multiple personality stuff if uh a
suggest a slightly suggestible not even
high slightly suggestible person goes to
a psychiatrist and let's say I wanted to
split somebody I could make up a piece
of paper that's got 10 questions on it
it's like do you ever feel like you're
at at war with yourself like one person
wants to eat cake and the other one
wants to eat broccoli that's 100 that's
everybody right and then the next one is
do you ever feel like you're arguing
with yourself about whether or not you
should relax or worry about something
that's everybody but it has a lot of
these questions that talked about you
having different parts and then the
psychiatrist takes this exam and he says
you know what I'm looking looking at all
these numbers and you scored in the 99th
percentile from multiple personality
disorder have you ever felt like you're
at war with a part of yourself that's
everybody but now he says like well what
what does that part want if I could just
talk to that part directly so now he
starts having a conversation with this
part and now then he says well it's not
really nice for us to do that why don't
we make a name for this
part they're almost done that's almost
the full creation so that's called
they've researched this in the' 70s
called iatrogenic creation of
dissociative identities so if they
wanted to do this and create a
Manchurian Candidate there there has to
be like some proof that this is
effective right so how would they how
would they before they send someone out
to do some assassination or something
how would they know that they got this
guy on the program well they tested with
hundreds of people first and they they
would all use colors so like Mrs White
was a subject or Mrs red whatever and
they would hypnotize a woman while while
she's and then you know split all this
personality stuff and develop that
partition and then with her eyes open in
one personality she Witnesses a what she
thinks is a real bomb getting put into a
briefcase with a little timer thing on
it like an old movie Dynamite thing
you'd see in a cartoon or something like
put into a briefcase zip that thing up
and she's holding it and they're telling
her it's going to explode and then they
change her personality to the other one
and she's on heart rate monitors and all
this other stuff and they they and this
this is a CIA document they released and
she's called Mrs White in in this
document there's many many more but the
other personality's job is to not look
in the briefcase CU that personality
doesn't know what's in it and sit in
this waiting room with this briefcase
beside you heart rate doesn't go
up and then another time they give
somebody what they watch a gun being
loaded they split the personality and
like do some kind of slide of hand to
unload the firearm and then they're told
to like pull this firearm out and go
shoot this person in the face and when
the trigger is given to you like a guy
tapping his pencil or something and they
do it and this is just hypnosis that
caused them they're not using any
psychedelic drugs or psychotropic
medicine or you don't need it nothing
yeah wow it's so it's it's easier than
you think for some people right High
Authority on one end from of the person
doing the program and high
suggestibility on the other then your
skill don't need to be that good you
don't need to manufacture suggestibility
if you if they say here's this guy I
need to split this guy and he's not very
suggestible then your skills have to be
high but if I have high suggestibility
in the Target high Authority in the
person doing the programming I have
ultimate results and it's not just this
if I'm if I'm a psychiatrist and I have
high Authority and I have a highly
suggestible client I can I can change
their life for the better with the exact
same things so it's not just manuri and
stuff it's it's anybody trying to change
another person needs that level of
authority and I need to my goal as a
doctor psychiatrist coach whatever is to
raise that person's suggestibility so
that my suggestions can change their
life will you then let them be aware of
what you did and how you did it and what
the pathway
is uh if it's if I'm helping someone
yeah absolutely yeah that's got to be a
mind [ __ ] for them you know Roy Jones
Junior the boxer of course yeah he's a
friend of mine oh I love that dude yeah
me too um and man he's been through a
rough year I don't know if you've heard
or anything he's been through a lot this
year what what happened he lost his son
oh I didn't know that at all I think he
I think he was 21 um oh that's terrible
but Roy called me one day I went down
there to train Roy at Roy's house and he
calls me one day and he's like hey man
can you do this split personality thing
on a fighter and I like oh yeah and as
I'm telling him yeah I was like I've
never done this I didn't know if I could
but I was like yeah I I'll get it done
he's like I've got this guy going into a
fight uh in two days it's in Vegas can
you fly out and and do do your work on
this guy so I essentially give him an
alter ego but it's not like created
through massive trauma or anything like
that it's kind of a fabricated we use a
little bit of like u a little bit of
simulated trauma to make this thing
happen the dissociation part to where it
kind of separate from
myself and this guy had like the best
fight of his life and this alter Alter
Ego you can ask Roy I told him not to
get gassed out to where you're not going
to get gassed out or run out of air it's
like you're going to always feel like
you're satiated even if you're not
you're going to stay up and keep going
and the second is you're not going to
feel any pain and you're going to be
pure aggression and strategy and all
this Roy gave me this list of stuff so
this guy this a young fighter he's like
28 I programmed him it took me four 48
hours total um not with him but like two
days over the course of two days I
programmed him and then he goes up
what's the thing where that they take a
picture looking at each other whatever
that's called yeah so they go they go to
do that and his wife is off camera and
somehow this being near the opponent
turned on this
thing and he just looks over at his wife
like just a like a a glance at his wife
and she picked their kid up like there
was a a murderer in their house and they
moved to another hotel temporarily she's
like that's not my husband but we we fix
it to where we can turn it on and off
anytime but it scared her because it's
like that little alter part of that guy
came on and looked at his wife and she
did not recognize you know Roy Jones Jr
had an alter ego really yeah he didn't
tell me about that call himself RJ he
had Roy Jones oh yeah and then RJ
RJ is when there's real problems when
when when RJ out you got real problems
yeah and when he fought Montel Griffin
you know he had his first fight with
Montel Griffin and Montel won by
disqualification do you know that
fight no uh so um I'm something happened
I think it was a late Punch or something
happened he might have uh been swinging
when he went down and he hit him while
he was going down or while he was down
already I don't remember exactly what
happened but I remember it was a
disqualification and then Roy Jones like
RJ's coming out wow and then in the
second fight it was just an obliteration
he just destroyed them quickly yeah and
when you would see Roy Jones you know
like in
his very best he was like first of all
he's probably the fastest super
middleweight in the history of sport and
even light heavyweight he was so fast it
didn't even make sense he there's some
onews that he threw that you watch to
this day and you swear they're sped up
yeah he like no one moves that fast he
didn't even have a jab he would throw a
left hook off the lead hand he did
everything different he [ __ ] everybody
up because you didn't know what to do
with it yeah everything was off it was
just different and he can move faster
than everybody yeah but I remember him
showing me because I'm ignorant about
the the fighting world and all that but
he showed me how those punches look from
a receiving end those like that one two
and then a couple more after that it was
terrifying oh yeah they're horrifying
you can't move quick enough you know
like you're it's done especially if you
don't know what's happening like if your
your mind has to your body has to be
conditioned to movements like you see a
movement you react you know like if he's
doing this a punch is coming that way
I'm turning this way I'm turning that
way if something's coming that way if he
throws the left the right is coming
behind it I'm ducking under if you don't
know what those patterns are and and
then even if you do Roy move so fast it
would [ __ ] up your whole understanding
of distance and timing everything would
be off he is yeah he was special sense
so much sense I I say in his prime he
was like Unstoppable he was it was like
every fight was an execution he played a
[ __ ] full basketball game one day and
then defended his title played a
basketball game and then after the
basketball game running around on the
court played played well and then
defended his title just because it was
like he was having fun he was playing
with his food yeah he's a machine he
truly a so good and one of the one of
the nicest people uh I've ever met great
guy such a good guy great guy great guy
great commentator as well he very good
at boxing commentary but um yeah he had
a split personality do you know the Mike
Tyson story no so Mike Tyson when he was
13 so Mike Tyson had a terrible
childhood you know bed for stent in
Brooklyn it was just like horrible
neighborhood crime and you know in and
out of detention centers he gets adopted
when he's 13 by this guy custado who's
one of the greatest trainers of all time
but also a
hypnotist so custom model starts
hypnotizing Mike Tyson when he's 13
years old oh my gosh and when he tell
talks him about fighting he's like you
don't exist only the task so all of the
things like what maybe I'm not good
enough maybe I'm not maybe I'm this
maybe I'm that maybe I'm a fraud maybe
you don't exist it's only only the task
and you are going to be the greatest
heavyweight champion of all time that
such a great and if cus didn't die he
Pro I mean he had an unbelievable
spectacular career but you can tell the
difference when cus is gone he doesn't
have that Mentor anymore he doesn't have
that leadership and eventually it kind
of falls apart for him you know he wins
the title when C had already been dead
but then defends the title just he was
just Unstoppable he was so much better
than everybody else but
slowly but surely up until the Buster
Douglas fight you see like this
deterioration of his discipline and he's
sort of just resting on his Laurels and
fear everyone was so terrified of him by
the time they got into the ring they
were already beaten yeah you'd see the
look in their eye when he was staring at
you they would be like a [ __ ] and
so if cus was still alive like who knows
what he would have accomplished who
knows he probably would have never lost
if cus stayed alive if cus was like
slightly younger and was able to make it
with him deep into his career who knows
yeah but hypnotized him when he was 13
and that's early I mean you're still
getting your for your formative identity
and beliefs about the world also you all
of a sudden have love in your life all
of a sudden you have respect all of a
sudden you have people who appreciate
you for what you do and so you really
like dig into this thing so Jim Jacobs
was his manager and Jim Jacobs is also
an archist archist he he has the
greatest Archive of boxing films in the
world Es at the time so he's got all the
old Fighters Stanley ketchel and Jack
Johnson and Jack Dempsey and so Mike
Tyson when he's not training is watching
the greatest boxers of all time on film
which nobody has access to most boxers
you are as good as the gym you train in
you know if you're training in a gym
with Tommy Hearns like damn he is so
good and you learn by being around him
and you see what he does
it's top
down
always [ __ ] assassins at the very top
world champions top of the food chain
guys and everybody else sort of like
follows their beat and you absorb well
Mike Dyson was absorbing from everybody
he was absorbing from Joe Lewis and
sugaray Robinson he was watching
Everybody Archie Moore he was watching
all the greats just hours and hours and
hours and hours of studying film
and so it was proximity so it was
everything he got proximity and like
exposure to all that and nobody else and
genetics he was when he was 13 years old
he was 190 pounds I had no idea yeah
yeah Teddy Atlas used to take him to
what they call smokers smokers are like
these amateur sort of unregulated fights
and uh they would say how old is he and
you'd say 13 like [ __ ] and he he
like how old do you think he is he's
like 16 so they put him in with 16year
olds and he knocked them out oh my God
he was knocking everybody out he was
just a genetic freak on top of being
very intelligent but never really
applied to anything other than boxing
fully absorbed with boxing has a trainer
who's one of the greatest trainers of
all time trained Floyd Patterson Jose
Torres I mean custot was a legendary
world champion trainer and then on top
of that he's a hypnotist so he's like
deeply involved in the psyche of his
Fighters and he's a mentor figure to
this kid and so you have that
combination of things and you have that
guy the greatest Mike Tyson at 79 at the
age of 13 that's him at 13 oh my gosh
[ __ ] look at the size of his biceps bro
look at his biceps look at his [ __ ]
right bicep at 13 that is that differ
insane I know Muhammad Ali above that is
12 years old and Tyson's 13 and built
like a tank that is so crazy a monster
oh he was everything was perfect it was
The Perfect Storm intelligence genetics
training
proximity and you know he was around
great Fighters as well you know he was
he was in gyms in the cat skills with
some of the best fighters of his
era does he credit like psychedelics for
his like this transformation that he's
made he does talk about it yeah he does
talk about it I'm sure it had an impact
on him that marijuana both those things
had an impact on him I mean he's got to
be not I mean just fighting for that
long your brain's going through so much
and you've got to you've got to you got
to come back to earth it's like a dude
coming off a 5year deployment or
something over in the Middle East like
you've got to reestablish yourself back
to a normal yes and I've heard him just
talk about it once where he talked about
I think it was just siloc cybin but that
is that saved me from a lot of really
crazy stuff as well but I think he is
just a guy who knows I would be
terrified like if I was a cop and pulled
him over and he said go ahead and get
back in your car be like okay okay
yeah when I first met him well well I
met him before this but when he first
did the podcast he was not working out
at all and he was smoking weed all day
long and he was like silly and peaceful
and relaxed and he said he didn't want
to work out because if he did he would
reignite his ego and he didn't want to
do that and then the second time I saw
him was when he was preparing for the
Roy Jones fight and he had lost like 100
pounds he was shredded and like all his
muscles were just [ __ ] big and thick
and puffed up and he looked terrifying
it was like and Jamie and I were like
that's a totally different person like
from from the first episode he did to
the second episode completely different
person because he was Mike Tyson again
he was getting ready to fight again and
he was [ __ ] terrifying and this is
Mike Tyson again at 50 right so imagine
what Mike Tyson at 22 was like I mean it
had to be [ __ ]
terrifying I bet he won so many fights
just psychologically oh yeah standing
across the ring looking at that guy even
if I was a good fighter yeah um I'm like
man yeah everybody was terrified of him
you stand like why am I doing this uhhuh
yeah he had an aura and all the greats
have auras like that Roy Jones had that
aura in his prime too where you you knew
the fighter that he was facing was
[ __ ] and it you know eventually
catches up with you and it did with Mike
with Buster Douglas and then Vander
Holyfield and some of the other fights
after that but you know when a fighter
has that aura it takes a very special
confident person to overcome that and
that's why why winning a title is so
difficult it's so difficult to beat a
champion is the psychological especially
if you've never had a championship fight
and you're fighting someone like you
know Anderson Silva in his prime who had
just been dominating his division this
is your first world world title fight
and you're fighting a guy who's been
there done that eight times destroyed
everybody in his path and he's looking
at you the way he's not remotely nervous
about you and he's like smiling at you
and he thinks he's just going to tear
you apart yeah and it takes a person of
very special
psychological you you have to have a
fortitude your mind has to be so [ __ ]
strong to be able to handle that moment
because it's not just the physical fight
of skills it's also the moment yeah and
the moment is overwhelming it's it's
it's so different than everything else
you know you want to talk about novelty
the novelty of a world title fight I
mean just imagine someone backstage at
the
UFC you have there's four fights before
you get on and you're watching people
get knocked out and head kicked you're
in the green room and you're in the the
the locker rooms rather and you're
warming up you're practicing you're
hitting mitts and you're thinking what
the [ __ ] am I getting myself into like
what am I doing and then you see
Anderson Silva warming up you're like oh
Jesus Christ what am I doing like you
have to have a a very special mind to be
able to overcome that and I think it's
one of the reasons why a lot of Fighters
today are seeking out mental coaches
it's very common you I first found about
it through my friend Vinnie shoran who
has worked with a lot of MMA fighters
and a lot of uh World Championship
kickboxers as well and and helped a lot
of people with that but there's quite a
few different Fighters now that utilize
mental coaches and some sort of uh
visualization coaching and then where
they have very specific goals in terms
of how they want to walk out what they
want they want to see the whole thing
there's guys like Jon Jones would
famously like walk out before the fight
and he would move around the Octagon he
would like soak it all up in yeah when
no one was there before everything and
we would get footage of it sometimes him
just moving around you know move around
with his koses he just wanted to feel
the floor under his feet he wanted to
see the cage he wanted to get himself in
that mindset and you know John is if not
the greatest one of the absolute
greatest of all time and you know he was
meticulous and still is meticulous about
his preparation meticulous about
watching tape and footage and
understanding who he's fighting what
their moves are what they do what Their
tells what the mistakes they make and
then visualizing success I think the
visual ation is so powerful yeah because
he's winning 00 times he's winning that
fight before it starts and he's winning
it so many times and he's and just going
in the ring you're programming that
Mamon brain with the smells and the
sounds and just the feel of everything
and it's so it's such a great practice
to establish for anybody yeah as many
bases you can cover right like the
physical skills of fighting are so
difficult to master and you get to a
certain level of ability where you do
have confidence you know you do think
you are the man and you could just
dominate everybody but the problem is
when you're facing someone else who's
also the man like he thinks he's the man
too and then you start questioning maybe
I'm Maybe I'm Wrong maybe what's
happened to my opponents is now going to
happen to me maybe I'm going to get mine
now [ __ ] and you know you're the doubts
start creeping into your mind and then
unless you have some sort of a system of
how to organize your mind and how to
mitigate all this anxiety and stress and
how to think about things and
concentrate only on the positive things
only on what you are going to do and not
all that [ __ ] and I think that's it
it's it's about rehearsal and it's the
way that c topy EOS do it in everybody
is they're rehearsing all of the the the
good things happening in their head all
the time they have just this General
belief that things are going to be great
and the guy that's psyching himself out
before a fight he's he's maybe it only
takes a second but he's rehearsing a
loss he's rehearsing these little bad
things happening and the the the brain
the mamalian brain doesn't speak English
at all so it's saying okay this is like
we're preparing for this I'm going to
try to make this happen it's the same
thing when you're like searching for a
car on the internet and you finally go
buy it after a month and you see it all
over the place your brain you're telling
your brain what to search for and seek
out it's so true and that's our
reticular formation inside of our brain
so with these Fighters if I'm if I'm
rehearsing on purpose then I'm more
likely to win if I'm rehearsing on
accident by worrying worrying is
rehearsal um and that's one of the
things I talked to Roy about with his
guys that he trains if I worry once it's
that's rehearsal that's a that's one
rehearsal practice checked off the box
and I got to do one more to to cancel
that out it's mental rehearsal rehearsal
that's interesting yeah and just be you
have to also be aware of things that can
go wrong if you do drop your hands can
go wrong if you do not move your head
off the center line if there's something
that you do that's a mistake there is
real consequences so you probably a
little bit of fear is very good for you
like one of the things that Fighters
talk about is having flat performances
because they came in too confident and
then they start getting beat up and they
can't shift gears like they can't get to
the Fear Part because the fear is kind
of over once you start fighting like
when I was competing I was always
terrified up until the fight but when
the fight is happening you're not scared
at all you're just reacting you're
moving and you know you're just I mean
you probably get scared if you're
getting hurt if you're getting battered
you know and you're you're against the
ropes and you're getting [ __ ] up but
for the most part you're not scared
you're just you're in this Zen State
you're in this state of just letting
your training do the work but the leadup
to it the leadup to it is where
everybody freaks out that's that's where
the real fear comes and it's just
mitigating that until you can get in
there and and then once you get in there
you're really not scared that makes
perfect sense it's the same thing in the
military like if you're getting into a
gunfight or something there's fear
before and not during and that's the
same thing and if so I would imagine
there' be fear during as well though no
I've I mean I want to speak for myself
I've talked to a lot of dudes that just
kind of everything goes quiet it's a
mental Stillness because we go through a
lot of training uh that that gets you
ready for a lot of those scenarios I
could man I could show your video after
this um that'll be fun but they have
this program where like they put a black
bag over your head and there's a bunch
of dudes that are mostly like retired
operator dudes and every few minutes
this black bag that you can't see
through and it's not like a plastic bag
it's just like a hood and you're sitting
there just holding your gun and they rip
this bag off your head there's a circle
on the ground it's like five feet wide
and you can't step out of it you can't
take a knee those are the only rules and
for these
every there's a scenario playing out in
front of you every time the bag comes
off and these guys are wearing like
Arabic style clothes and the the Middle
Eastern style clothes they're blaring
crazy music and explosions in your head
while the hood is on the hood gets
ripped off it's like 40 seconds long you
don't know what to expect you don't have
no idea what's going to happen and these
guys they're wearing little mask and you
have SIM simulated ammunition um some
will try to kill you some might run up
to you really fast and ask for
directions and you never know what's
going to happen and for these dudes to
go down they're all going to try to
shoot you first if they shoot you first
you start the day over and it's like 11
hours it's it's grueling process huh so
they keep so this is what is the purpose
of this like what are they trying to
achieve there's a few things your aim
like I need to get better at Target
acquisition so like I I do something
here and I know something over here and
I'm I'm going to rotate over to this
this next thing that that I have to deal
with mhm and after days and days and
days of this you get very good like it's
nowhere near that level but you walk out
of there feeling like you I'm John Wick
now but they get you to a level and the
instructors don't go down unless you hit
them twice in the base of the nose so
like you can shoot them in the chest and
they'll they'll slow down or they'll
take a knee but
what what happened my headphones stopped
working really yeah they're good now
okay so like they'll slow down but you
hit them U twice in the base of the nose
and they go down they'll they'll drop
and that's like the brain stem you have
to sear the brain stem and it's days and
days and days of this and you can't step
out of the circle and what is the
simulated ammunition like what are they
using it's a real bullet inside of a
real gun so it's like the Beretta I
deployed with
but you take the barrel out and you put
in this smaller barrel and it's it's a
real bullet but the tip of it like Wax
and it's filled with like hot pink
laundry detergent essentially like a
little paintball but it's inside of a
bullet inside of a real
bullet you're going to have a problem
with that [ __ ] watch I
know it's on it's on airplane mode I had
one of those once I wore it for one day
and it was buzzing during a podcast I
was like all right [ __ ] this thing
now it's going to go off over there and
you're gonna have to reach for it so
these are the bullets that they
use paintball training bullets and so do
that Joe yeah airplane mode maybe it's
someone important calling you isn't
there like people on your list nope no
um yeah that's it so those things they
just splatter on your face is that what
it is yeah I mean the guys are wearing
masks and stuff like that right and uh
but if it hits that area then you go
down where you're you're done and then
it's a lot of critical judgment and
decision making there might be a guy
that walks up to you and he's holding an
axe over his shoulder but it's just like
a farmer because maybe the younger guys
are like oh there's a dude there's a
weapon he needs to die right uh but he
has no intent right so I'm you can't
just shoot people because they have a a
weapon over there so it's a really good
training for judgment and and that just
that fast decision
making okay and so this is is just to
sort of condition them so that when a
battle takes place it'll be sort of
automatic to fall into these patterns
that they've learned yeah and that they
may say this in other parts of the world
but they say you're going to default to
the lowest level of your training the
lowest level that you've repeated
thousands of times right that'll be your
default
so it's interesting that you worked with
one fighter have you worked with any
Fighters since then uh two other guys
I've worked with just through Roy mostly
work with CEOs that need to need a break
from a bunch of limiting crap that's
holding them back or or business people
but two other Fighters that I've worked
with and you can watch this guy's fight
he's not gassed out he's sitting in the
corner the other guy's just heaving and
you could his chest is still and you
could see the announcers even say it in
the fight that he's not making any
facial expressions um man I can't
remember hold on I'll find it okay um
but it's on YouTube the fight is on
YouTube I I'll bring it up uh Bryant uh
Pella Bryant Pella is his name Jamie
you'll find it and the announcers are
even saying he's not making facial
expressions when he's getting hit it's
like Terminator his face was just
completely straight there's a guy that
uh was one of the greatest heavyweights
of all time out of Russia his name is
Fedor million Eno and he fought in Pride
which was this enormous organization in
Japan in the early 2000s and he was
famous for having like a completely
stoic expression no matter what happened
that'd be terrifying to me oh he was the
most terrifying and cuz he was so
skillful as well but I wonder like what
they taught him in terms of like how to
keep your your mind in check in the
middle of chaos because I mean he'd be
in these [ __ ] Wars and just his
facial expression never changed there's
this famous fight with him and Kevin
randman Kevin randman was this Elite
American wrestler and he super lexes
Fedor on his head like on his neck and
on his head and his expression never
changes in the middle of getting thrown
through the air slammed onto the ground
then moments later he catches Kevin in
an armar wow yeah it was crazy it's just
like never Chang never changes face just
calm you know he might be having a cup
of coffee at a local cafe I bet it was
what what you were talking about earlier
well like you don't exist you don't
exist and it was what I'm teaching to
these Fighters what I'm I'm programming
these fighters to do is is essentially
the same thing you don't exist there's
another part of you that's going to take
over for this this entire experience and
this part of you is more than
capable so did you talk to Roy about
like What fighters experience like what
to work on so what did Roy tell you Roy
said that the three most important
things are I don't want them to to get
gassed out too fast which is like when
maybe that's a common term a lot of it
yeah lot of his anxiety adrenaline dump
yeah and feeling like you're running out
of air um and I I I want him to be
immune to pain which is obviously not
not completely possible we can get close
like to him feeling as so confident that
the pain doesn't matter and he wanted
him to be
completely hellbent on destroying this
other guy those are like Roy's three
things and he said you add in whatever
you want so I added in some cuz a couple
of those things are symptoms so I wanted
to figure out what what's the root cause
of this like if I'm just hellbent on
taking this guy out the root cause of
that might be um anger and and just
being extremely mad and angry at
somebody generally speaking they tell
you that that's not a good emotion to
take inside the ring because anger will
anger is an emotion and emotions will
cause you to uh like Yuri prasa says uh
go into another line so instead of doing
what you should be doing in in the flow
you might push things so you might be a
little too aggressive and open yourself
up to counters you you might not be
defensively responsible because you're
really only thinking about offense
whereas you have to kind of be in this
zone of both things at the same time and
knowing when to attack and when not to
attack that makes a lot of sense yeah a
lot of people don't think but then
there's Fighters that fight angry if you
know they're very successful if you know
a guy I'll do it for you it be
interesting well there's a lot of UFC
fighters probably listening to this
right now like me like I'm sure you'll
get people that are interested in it
because everyone knows that there is a
huge psychological aspect to fighting
everyone knows that no no one denies
that no one thinks you could just be
skillful and just be you know and
everyone knows there's a psychological
aspect of it that's very very very
important and if you could do something
that would strengthen that the same way
you do something that strengthens your
cardio or strengthens your power you
would think that that would be very
beneficial huge Advantage Tiger Tiger
Woods had an on call did he hypnotist
yeah really an on call hypnotist yeah
like a a guy that I think traveled with
them many many times so he had a regular
hypnotist that he saw and uh I think
it's a tremendous advantage and if you
can get it to a point so like I had been
training all these
CEOs couple of politicians that I've
worked with that needed this
breakthrough and of confidence and
authority and all this other stuff so I
always had this way to like turn this
thing on there was like an on switch to
to activate this little Alter Ego thing
and for the all the fighters I had to
figure out something else because they
couldn't use their hands their hands are
all you know gloved up and taped up and
all that all that kind of stuff but I
figured out with the fighter like there
was so much it was almost like a little
psychopath when this thing came on and
you can see it in in Bryant's face on
this fight and you have footage of him
Jamie I'm sorry like I was looking at
tigers I got lost into that I found the
guy but oh you found who it was Jay
brunza is his name Jay brunes it was
when he was
younger he also caded for him so he was
around with him all oh Tiger Woods
you're talking about we were talking
about Roy Jones Junior's fighter that's
like having your corner man your
hypnotist that is kind of crazy every
time in the corner insle so he traveled
around with them all the time well I
would imagine look if you're doing
something like golf where there's
millions of dollars on the line and that
is clearly a very very much a mental
game yeah there's a lot of thinking and
calculating and being in the zone and
golf that totally makes sense that would
be effective and it's so different it's
it's so similar though to fighting was
it's a very mental game like can I stay
here can I can I be present can I figure
out what's going on and keep in mind I
know nothing about fighting but right I
know a whole lot about the brain and how
and how people work you know it's
interesting cuz what you're saying kind
of applies to stand-up comedy too cuz I
have we've talked about this a bunch of
times in The Green Room of the club um I
think stand-up comedy is hypnosis I
think it's kind of a mass hypnosis
because I feel hypnotized when someone's
really good when someone I'm just is not
even as a person who's who does it but
as an audience member when someone's
really good I'm allowing them to kind of
think for me you know I'm I'm going with
the way they think about things when
someone's really really funny and I
really enjoy watching them I'm in their
mind I'm they're they're taking me on a
journey they're like holding my hand and
telling me where we're going yeah and if
someone's really good you let them I've
never thought about that before but
that's it that's you're you're bypassing
your own critical Factor where I'm not
criticizing this information because
it's funny I want to hear it I want
accept it well that's why jokes work
when you know the person doesn't really
believe that they don't want to you know
they're saying crazy [ __ ] but you're
laughing anyway because you know what
they're doing they're just taking you on
a fun ride it's like a fun ride through
jokes and when you're doing it there's
this moment that you want to achieve
where you're essentially a passenger
you're not even really the driver as the
as the as the comedian comedi yeah
you're kind of the passenger and the the
set sort of takes over and you're just
going with where it wants to go and when
the subjects come up if you're not
completely invested in what that subject
is the audience knows you can say the
words the right way with the right
timing and they won't work there's like
something about it but if you're locked
in the audience gets locked in with you
and it's the difference between someone
who can't figure it out and someone who
becomes successful it's like realizing
that you can't talk about something
while you're not thinking about it you
have to be thinking about that thing and
you have to be invested in it it has to
be real to you it has to be something
you're really interested in and then the
audience gets interested in it as well
yeah that is so true yeah it's a form of
hypnosis I think and the SEC I mean one
big part of hypnosis is something called
fractionation are you familiar with this
no so it's fractionation is where like I
would put you into a trance and that
would bring you almost all the way out
to where your eyes are kind of opening
again and then send you back down again
and you go deeper so in comedy and and
in conversations you can do this to
people where it's like super fun thing
then really depressing or scary thing
fun thing scary thing scroll through
your social media feed yeah it's
fractionation as well but it it
increases
suggestibility and one of the
only one of the best guys I've seen is
like Mitch Hedberg could pull people in
oh yeah man he was such a awesome dude
when it came to that stuff you know why
he could pull people in though is
because people knew what to expect when
you went to see Mitch Hedberg Mitch
hedberg's struggle was the early days
when people didn't know who he was and
if you schedule a show badly like say if
you have like a an opening act that's
high energy and then a middle act the
worst is like of a middle act does like
singing and songs and stuff and then
he's very non sequor dead pan one funny
line after another absurdities it's all
absurd and it you know sometimes it
didn't catch on like he had to to become
famous and then people wanted to go see
him knowing what they were going to go
see yeah that makes so much sense he's
kind of like a Steven Wright yes guy
very similar non seiters and uh wacky
observations yeah wow I would have never
considered that so people have to have a
degree of expectancy yeah well not
always I mean sometimes people just
appreciate it because it's funny but
this show has to be structured correctly
like if like I said if someone goes on
before and it's a rowdy crowd and
they're singing and they do some [ __ ]
back flips or something crazy and you
get used to that person like this big
reaction from the audience and then you
got a guy there with sunglasses on
someone asked me if I want a frozen
banana I said no but I want a regular
banana later so yes like it's like what
the [ __ ] are you talking about like you
have to be a Mitch Hedberg fan or know
what he's doing to appreciate that yeah
but once he became famous then it was
awesome CU then he was free so then he
could just be himself self he didn't
have to worry about like they were
coming to see him so then he could just
like really like Excel yeah so what I
teach I want to see if you can relate
this to Comedy somehow I teach you know
we talked about what influences the
mamalian brain Focus Authority tribe and
emotion those four things and no no
language involved whatsoever and then
the human brain has six things and it
seems like expectancy is one of those
things so it's Focus openness connection
suggestibility compliance and expectancy
and I think you only need three if you
get three you can get compliance from
anybody like the milgrim experiment
there's no openness there's no
connection and there's no expectancy
they're not they don't know what to
expect is next so milgrim experiment
only got three and made people
murderers only
three so as a comic if you're on stage
you you have to generate that Focus you
want to create some level of openness
with put the people in the crowd so
they're open to receiving and
suggestibility I guess would have to be
in there right and connection would be a
a huge one yeah there's a lot of things
going on but there's there's so much
that goes into planning a show that I
never thought about until just when you
said that like you you have to keep the
energy level at the at the right balance
you also have the right have to have the
right mindset before you go on stage
like the worst thing that can happen is
before you go on stage something happens
that throws you off like you get a phone
call from a loved one like something
goes wrong at your house like you're in
a car accident like something happens
before you go on stage and you're [ __ ]
up that that's a bad one yeah that
happened to me yesterday what happened
cuz you got the biggest show I think in
the world biggest podcast in the world
and I for the first time in a year and a
half I had seizures yesterday oh my God
just yesterday you think it's because of
this show the show put you into a
seizure I went I forgot to take
methylene blue for three days straight
oh and the seizures came back wow how
bad was it uh they were like a minute
and a half uh but one of them we were in
a on the way to a restaurant I was like
holding our daughter who's like 13
months old oh Jesus and uh it was just
but it's not like a crazy seizure it's
just like your head falls down uh but I
thought like yeah this is I'm going to
have a seizure on on Rogan and oh no and
it like I would like if it happened I
would beg you to keep it in have there
been studies on methylene blue and
seizures where or doctors recommending
this stuff absolutely I've published
papers on it so doctors are backing it
up there's tons and tons of studies and
these are major universities it's not
like Jimbo's College down in Mexico City
or something these are major
universities neurodegenerative disorders
like Parkinson's myasthenia gravis
ALS and epileptic disorders so anybody
that's got epilepsy this is
neuroprotective and then it's also
neurogenerative it helps you to get to a
point where you can make new neurons and
it it it helps your mitochondria so much
your neuron mitochondria wow and like
mitochondria make up 6% of your body
weight it's like we we got a lot really
yeah we have a ton and they have they
don't have human DNA I thought you might
like that what does mitochondria have
it's its own DNA it's they think it was
like original from bacteria and then
formed a relationship with single-
celled organ organisms and then became
human or became animals mammals and
mitochondria do not have do not share
DNA with humans whoa and they power our
cells it's pretty cool and methylene
blue helps them yes there's a there's a
whole lot and the reason red light is
effective is because of this chemical
called cytochrome C oxidase and it's
absorbing so much of that red light to
where there's photons going down into
the mitochondria helping to generate at
p mean it
is I mean I I'm not like saying click
the link down below or anything like
that is it saved my life is there
anything that people should be worried
about with that stuff like other than
taking ssris is there what happens if
you take too much of it like I'm not a
doctor um but you taking too much of it
can be toxic but I mean taking too much
aspirin will do the same thing right so
it's it's hormesis is what they call
this where I'm like at the right amount
it's helpful
so that's a hormetic effect and what's
the effective dose again per body weight
my dose I can't tell anybody what to do
um but the dose I take is about 1 to 2
milligrams per kilogram per day and then
I'll take one day off like once a week
maybe sometimes I just keep
going so if I'm 70 kilograms and I'm
taking 2 milligram or 2 milligrams per
kilogram I'm going to take 140
milligrams per day
all at one time H usually just in the
morning and it is so cool I've heard
people say that they feel a cognitive
benefit from it as well oh yeah yeah
yeah I think it's just generating a lot
more energy in your brain because
there's ATP just going out everywhere
this sounds like one of those things
though where I'm we're talking about
this I'm like man one day this is going
to bite everybody in the ass like this
sounds like one of those ones where it's
almost too good to be true I I know it's
it's backed by 120 years of research I
was just Googling the weight of them and
this is the best I could find it says
due to their tiny size individual
mitochondria weigh an incredibly small
amount particularly negligible but
collectively in the human body total
weight of all mitochondria be estimate
the range of a few milligrams however
the exact rate can be dependent on
factors like body mass and cell type
well that doesn't sound like 6% of your
body I don't think that's correct but
that's AI overview it can't be wrong oh
that's right so
um interesting where did you hear this
from a professor of mine so maybe maybe
he's dealing with old information might
be yeah a few milligrams defin
definitely not 6% of your body it's a
lot more than that okay but either way
it's a part of your body and there it's
like the most important thing in our
bodies is is mitochondria so we we get
inflammation and we have all these
disorders it starts with some kind of
dysfunction with mitochondria most of
the time as I understand it uh so the
doctor that got me on this mitochondria
it or mitochondrial Health regimen which
is M methylene blue plus highd do
melatonin and this is like two 200
milligrams and do you take during the
day oh no melatonin at night right
around Sunset where my body is kind of
naturally wanting to I've heard people
talk about the side effects of melatonin
and that the that taking exogenous
melatonin it might not be the best idea
melatonin doesn't have a rebound it
doesn't no no so it doesn't have an
effect on your body's ability to produce
it either no no no your body no negative
side effects well there people think
there's negative side effects of
everything right there could be that's
one of the problems with the muddy murky
Waters of health and nutrition is like
it's it's hard to know who's correct
because there's a bunch of air quote
experts on both sides there's yeah what
I'm saying is it's correct for me
because it's it's solving the problem of
me like when my daughter was born the my
daughter was born Christmas Eve 2023
when I was driving my wife to the
hospital at that time I didn't know who
she
was really yeah so you had seized up no
I mean something was wrong it my
hippocampus is was like eating itself at
that time I I knew that she was a friend
I knew that she was important to me what
you did you literally didn't know she
was your wife didn't know she was my
wife I took selfies with her going into
the hospital she's pregnant going into
labor and delivery but I knew that if I
could fake it for 10 or 15 minutes when
this thing like wears off because I'd
have these like weird phases that my
brain went through if I could fake it
for 10 or 15 minutes then it'll come
back to me and it wow what a mind [ __ ]
it's terrifying in that like you won't
like you're losing everything it you
lose everything without losing your life
well also you're wondering what if this
is permanent what if I am like what is
that movie momento remember that movie
oh yeah where the dude had to write
everything down on his arm
cuz he he didn't know what the [ __ ] was
going on yeah yeah and he had that
Polaroid camera that he carried around
yeah it's a good movie great movie but
it's scary in that like you were not
there it's like it's kind of like an
Alzheimer's thing but it was different
in that like I spent with this
hippocampal problem sclerosis and this
temporal L epilepsy I thought my dog was
fake fake Jesus like I saw somebody like
planted this animal here and it's not a
real thing
were you paranoid like someone did this
or were you were you like why is this
fake dog here there is paranoia like we
were before a temporal Lo seizure
happens there's so much Deja Vu that it
feels like you're going down a roller
coaster like you're falling off a
building that kind of pit of your
stomach
feeling so you look around and you're
like there's no way that all of this is
not set up someone set this up so there
is paranoia there like right right as a
seizure starts cuz everything starts
looking like I've seen every single
detail right here before someone setting
me up and then boom seizure starts Jesus
it's horrible man but mine stopped and
if I stop taking methylene then seizures
start and I'm not saying anybody's got
to go to the same website as me you can
get it on Amazon it's nice and cheap is
there anything else that affects it like
your diet drinking is there anything
that yeah if I if I eat a lot of
carbs uh definitely so like a low carb
keto diet is what they recommend for
Alzheimer's and and all kinds of brain
disorders is cancer as well keto yeah
yeah it's so helpful for your body so I
have a low carb super low carb diet and
try to remember that methylene blue
every day and I do red light therapy at
home I have a huge helmet thing that
goes down it's a red light laser system
that's supposed to penetrate your skull
in your body like 4 in so I I do that
about once a day for about 20 minutes
Jesus it's bad ass it's cool it looks
like one of those hair dryers from a
like a old hair sounds cool but I I
always think like how much electricity
around your brain is a good thing like
is people are telling you not to have
earbuds in anymore yeah yeah yeah have
you had Jack Cruz you heard of no no
yeah I know he is yeah um I I've heard
so much of what he said and it's like
I've stopped using uh have you heard him
break down
sv40 horrifying that's is very
interesting yeah very interesting I
would s virus that's connected to some
vaccines I hope someone looks into it
yeah I talked to Brett Weinstein about
it and he explained it to me it's crazy
like they they used monkey kidney cells
yeah as the basis for certain vaccines
not knowing that they were going to
infect these vaccines with this sv40 and
it causes
cancer awful yeah and it's just like I'm
I'm so I'm not educated on medicine so
like I don't know like is that a common
thing have they done it with a whole
bunch of other stuff and we're just
looking at with this one thing I don't
think I'm I'm educated enough on that to
know a lot about it but hearing Jack
described that was terrifying just
terrifying
yeah and there's so many other things
that are coming out just one after the
other with this stuff that was going on
with the vaccines and all that if I can
even say that word well you can now that
Robert Jr is the head of HHS yeah thank
goodness it's going to be interesting to
see what he uh uncovers can we do a a
break take a pee break okay we'll be
right back so what are you saying about
uh what you teach the
governments so we teach the government
guys like scops guys a
lot and we teach him a system called
neurocognitive
intelligence it's essentially how do I
identify in a population or one person
some behavioral patterns and if I can
identify behavioral patterns then I can
predict future behavior and if I can
predict it I can influence it to another
Direction and it's pretty easy if you
just kind of get these basics down and
the like the first thing that we teach
is this thing called the childhood
triangle and this is what did I do
around the age of eight for safety
friends and rewards so how did I what
did I do to feel safe what I do to make
or keep friends and what did I do to get
some kind of reward for some kids a
reward was like uh their parents
complimenting them some kids a reward
was like water or food you know
depending on your life how you were
brought up but if you look at adult
behavior when you see these patterns of
how adults deal with conflict you're
seeing most of the time how they dealt
with conflict as a kid because we're
carrying all these childhood patterns
into adulthood all the
time it is so common so when we have a a
habit of dealing with conflict even in a
relationship not even a work thing we're
spotting these little childhood patterns
of safety friends and rewards almost all
the time and if I can spot that that's
like a step one of developing a a pretty
deep Behavior profile of of a human
being does that make any sense yeah it
does okay and then step two is identify
social needs and this is like what what
do we need from other people and there's
six six of these and this is like
significance acceptance approval
intelligence pity and strength and of
course that's not all human needs but
those are the six that that you can spot
pretty easily and that you can leverage
pretty easily when it's persuasion and
influence if I'm if I'm training an
intelligence guy to go recruit somebody
overseas right he's got to be able to
spot these things because he responding
what this person needs so if I'm in a
conversation with somebody says well I'm
been a CEO for 20 years I managed 9,000
people at this company there's a
significance statement right so we hear
these statements in conversation all the
time but we hear them just kind of
passively instead of understanding
what's being revealed in a conversation
so if I hear a person speak you'll hear
one of those six in almost every
conversation even if it's a a two-minute
conversation with an Uber driver you're
going to hear some of these statements
come out the acceptance would be like
I'm I need to be part of groups I need
to be I'm a member of things we they use
a lot of words like we did this we did
that and the approval people are like
well you know I'm going on uh I've got
this thing I got to speak on stage I I
never do a good job and I need you to
tell me like no know Chase you're great
you're going to be okay you're you're
going to do a great job those are the
approval seeking the intelligence
seeking people we're talking about the
universities they went to the the grades
that they got they're they'll display
their intellect in all these ways and
pity pity people is pretty obvious like
and the way that we deal that the pity
person is essentially asking to other
people realize how bad I've had it or
what I've been through and if I can spot
that then I can start recognizing izing
that and making this person see me as
their type of person because now I'm not
just a person or a friend they're
getting neuropeptides from all this so
I'm kind of a drug dealer if I can spot
which of these six this person is and
their and these behavioral patterns so
this is like in the first two minutes of
of an interaction you can spot these
things in the strength and power person
there's one that's leader and one that's
like I need to if I bark loud enough if
I act tough enough then nobody's going
to hurt me
me so there's one that's kind of the
natural leader and there's one that's
like the the Chihuahua right the
defensive yeah yeah and when you say
work with scops people what do you mean
by
that I've trained uh many times US Army
scops branch and how to do these they
have a name is it just called scops
branch called SS put up that video
what's that Jamie we put up that video
the other day which one that crazy like
we ended the podcast with it it was like
on the scop YouTube channel their
commercial oh right that W that's that
that video is CRA there's of them right
cool they're very cool but it's crazy
yeah and it's it's like can we play that
again yeah I guess do they let us play
it or do they give us [ __ ] I don't have
idea YouTube has a lot of prob want it
to go around I would imagine yeah they
would want that to go around we're
trying to help you [ __ ] brainwash
people we're on your side we're American
you know who Edward AES I know the name
uh he was the guy who's he invented like
public brainwashing large scale
brainwashing and he was uh the guy who
changed the department of War to the
Department of Defense he was the guy who
invented the uh torches of Freedom
Campaign to get women to smoke Virginia
Slims he's the guy died margar in yellow
ghost machine is what it is yeah that's
it if your opponent is of caloric temper
seek to irritate him pretend to be weak
that he may grow arrogant son Zoo the
art of
War like Kill Bill this is such a wild
video have you ever wondered the
peaceful Pro democracy demonstration in
China comes to a violent so good whoever
made this way to go down unnamed un of
course who's pulling his
trinks who is unnamed who did
this
wesing feel look it for purpose in your
life born From the Ashes and this video
comes on this could this could get you
to sign up of a world at
war most makes me want to sign up now
you'll find us in the
shadows right you want to be these guys
sneaking in with the guns right at the
tip of the
spear Marching In impressive manner a
threat rises in the east oh
no the music helps a lot oh yeah it
really does Warfare look at they're back
to the Mongols this is crazy and then
they shift from
that to Modern military
antifa
scrolling all the world's a
stage there is another very important
phase of
warfare it has as its Target not the
body but the mind of the
enemy Target psychological warfare
anybody wanting to be in control of
stuff yeah this would be just so like
okay I'm yeah I'm going to go be in
charge of everything intoxicating
anything we touch is a
weapon we can
deceive
persuade change I wonder if they can Now
with uh Doge one if youa getting
crippled will have an impact on that I
bet it will probably I bet it will I
don't know if that's good or bad so
these uh if if you know how to speak to
a person and and you can get them into
an identity agreement early on in that
conversation you can do anything and if
you just look at mgrm all they use so
remember we talked about those six
things that influence a person look at
that milgrim experiment there's only
three if you look at that the lines
experiment a person guessing which line
is the longer or which line matches
there's only a few in there and you get
absolute compliance from that
so if you can do that and then get
somebody to make an identity agreement
like what kind of person are you so as
just to put this in Practical terms like
I'm training a real estate person uh
one-on-one they're like well how do I
get these clients to behave like this at
the end you get them to agree at the
beginning and like so one of these lines
would be like you know when I first
started learning real estate they told
me that I'm only ever going to deal with
three types of clients they're going to
be like the first ones are the doubters
and these are the people that doubt
everything because they maybe they had
uh hard childhood or they get screwed
over so many times that they doubt just
everything which leads them to never
taking action the next ones are the
delayers these people just push
everything off in their life and bl and
then we have the deciders and these
people get all the information that they
possibly need and they make a decision
so without me even if I'm the real
estate person without me even telling
you or you agreeing or saying what you
are I've got you to subconsciously or to
privately make an agreement in your head
that you are probably in category three
and that's within the first like 10
minutes of meeting somebody so I've
started to compromise identity at in in
just a few
minutes and if I also know that you have
have these behavioral patterns and I
also know that you seek significance
right before I say that I might say you
know Joe it's it's obviously make a
tremendous difference around here I know
a lot of these people really look up to
you and I looked up to my my mentor who
taught me this stuff real estate and he
said there's only three types of clients
so now I've got your dopamine levels up
I've got your neurotransmitter levels up
as a as a little verbal drug dealer to
get you kind of addicted to what's going
on here then I pull you into this
identity trap that's like 4 5 Seconds
where I've got you into I've got you
hooked into identity and it's just a
small piece but I've got you hooked in
to begin with and I've got you to agree
that you are a certain type of person
that's the key am I the type of person
who blank did you see a lot of the
characteristics of this kind of
scop interaction with the public during
the covid pandemic in my head I was
going please don't talk please don't
bring cuz it seems like I'm going to I'm
going to send this to Jamie cuz this to
me was uh one of the darkest moments of
the propaganda of the uh the whole thing
was the the the complete lack of empathy
for um the unvaccinated and not just
lack of empathy but disdain and contempt
contempt yeah but this was in the LA
Times and uh I saved it because I knew
we were going to talk today and I I
remember seeing
this going God to put yourself into a
place where you could even write this
and then put it in the New York Times
say column mocking antivaxers covid
death is ghoulish yes but may be
necessary I remember when I read that I
remember when I saw that I was thinking
Jesus Christ this seems like this is so
on the nose George
Orwell yeah it's so it's such a mind
fight no one should
ever mock someone's death that's just an
a citizen that got infected with what
now we know was a genetically engineered
virus yeah a gain of function virus from
a weapons lab that got out to no one
should no one should mock an innocent
person for not trusting the government
and not wanting to get vaccinated that
that is so crazy to mock someone's death
from a disease where they did nothing
wrong if you want to mock the the death
of a murderer or a rapist or some
horrible criminal that's a different
thing right you want to mock Osama Bin
Laden's death you want what that's a
different we're talking about a
different thing but it's that this is
crazy this is crazy to say this to
grandmas and O obese people that wind up
dying from Co this is crazy to put that
in the Los Angeles Times but that was
one of those things it would let
everybody else know this is how they
think about you if you don't if you
don't follow along yeah and the tri
tribe will get you yeah especially that
artificially simulated tribe where
there's millions of people that are
going to be angry with you people you
don't even know and a lot of them are
bots so the first time I ever went on Dr
Phil um he great guy he came to my my
wedding he's a close friend now but this
is I've never met him before I've never
I'm some ex-military guy it's like a
tobacco chewing dude in the military and
I'm going now I'm going on Dr Phil and
I'm like man how what if I uh like how
do I how do I act if what if I what do I
do if I'm nervous and he's like man you
have a horrible disease and this is what
Phil said Chase you've got a you've got
a horrible disease you you have a need
for Love from
strangers whoa and that changed me
[Laughter]
man that's some harsh Tru
yeah and uh I think that got me over
that but if you look at all of this
everything that was going on the what we
talked about manipulating the mamalian
brain it's Caesar
Milan it's every step that Caesar Milan
does does with dogs Focus Authority
tribe and emotion uhhuh so if I I hack
your focus using novelty if you remember
we talked about like something breaks
our expectation I'm not expecting to see
mocking and all that kind of stuff
mocking antiac
Focus Authority is just LA Times right
tribe uh people must agree with this
because it's published and it's up there
and then the emotion mocking the deaths
might be ghoulish so make me feel a
little bit of emotion that helps me feel
like a good person maybe may be
necessary to be necessary so it's Focus
Authority tribe and emotion how much of
that do you think was engineered how
much of this was do you think was
planned out this response do you think
that someone sat in a room and that
people discussed the best ways to get
people to comply yes oh yes I would I
would bet my career because it was
executed following textbook protocol and
there are these I made a YouTube video
on my channel of like how to spot scops
and there's like 20 different little
things you only need one one thing and
you can spot whether or not you're
standing in the middle of a scop that
one thing is if the opinion that's
coming out needs people to be silenced
it's a up there's there are
psychological operations in play wow so
if you can't question it if you're
supposed to just go along it's a scop
yeah and if and if
people have to be silenced or or
publicly shamed because of their because
of their information and they're not
telling people the sky's falling they're
not they're not saying crazy [ __ ]
they're just saying basic stuff and they
need to be silenced that is a sop no
matter what you can go back in any any
time in history during a s up of our
country and if people needed to be
silenced or shamed publicly which is
like the tribe right that's why public
speaking is our number one fear for for
humans I'm it's not a fear of speaking
it's a fear of judgment right so I'm
just putting the threat of judgment out
there that is a s up so if people have
to be silenced and they were Harvard
doctors kicked off of the internet or
kicked off of Twitter for for this stuff
yeah
that's Stanford MIT yeah that's all you
need yeah the the great barington
declaration people didn't agree with
exactly how the government was handling
everything and they were silenced and
they were treated like
Fringe quacks instead of respected
Physicians and uh it was openly
discussed in
emails that's what's really crazy they
they they talked about the strategy of
silencing these people and then you had
the actual government itself contacting
Twitter trying to get people removed
which is wild yeah didn't you didn't you
have Mark Zuckerberg on he talked about
yeah he talked about Facebook doing it
about uh the FBI contacting them it's um
it's crazy to believe but my hope is
that people have learned from this past
four years and that this is an eye
opener yeah and it one thing I could say
like if if you want to know whether or
not you have been lied to
if you can't see anything wrong with the
side you agree with and you can't see
anything right with the side that you
disagree with you have been
manipulated or you're very rigid in the
way you look at things right yeah or I
mean this this you've been you're
assuming objective right because some
people are just not objective right but
that that lack of objectivity can come
from a manipulation a lot so I'm
deleting your objectivity through Sops
that's what I want to do that's what
scops typically aim to do but some
people again as you talking about with
suggestibility some people are more
vulnerable to that sort of group think
yeah way more way more yeah and that's
like if you think of back to that
childhood triangle again friends safety
and rewards what did I do to get friends
I listen to them and I I agreed with
them what did I do to feel safe because
that my dad was a [ __ ] or an
alcoholic or something I just went along
with everything they said I'm just going
to go along with it so you may and I'm
not saying that's the recipe for
suggestibility but that may be uh the
the reason someone grows up that way
that's just how I lived as a child those
were my little scripts to survive as a
kid as an innocent little kid and
there's so many scops that are happening
all the time some of them when you say
scops a a really really good infomercial
is a scop right so but what we're
talking about is a large scale right um
one of the things that I thought was
fascinating about the scop of the whole
pandemic was that there were people that
weren't even benefiting from being a
part of it that were
working for the scop and you saw people
that were they were making videos
mocking people that were unvaccinated or
calling one of my favorite was Keith
obman you ever see the Keith Oberman one
no that guy was a great sports caster
just I don't know what the [ __ ] happened
to him but he uh has this one video
where he's he gets vaccinated and shows
you his card and tells you that
everybody who's not getting the vaccine
are scared vaccine hesitancy you're
scared and he's like yelling you're
scared and it's he's like on his balcony
in Manhattan it's like so out of touch
because he obviously lives in this
really nice place beautiful view behind
him and he's talking about how these
people are scared because they're not
getting the like scared of what like
what are you scared of is there
something to be scared of yeah you're
scared of side effects from a [ __ ]
new medicine experimental there's been
so many times in the past where we've
seen they launching new medicine and
there's a host of side effects at the
[ __ ] pharmaceutical drug companies
probably knew about and didn't tell
everybody like but you're scared you're
scared see if you can find it it's
wonderful because it's so kooky you just
watch him yelling and screaming it's
like this is so ineffective but and this
dude this is how everything is like we
oh yeah they drugged everybody with LSD
oh yeah we gave Indian small poox or we
fill in the blank oh yeah yeah yeah we
did that for this year and this decade
and this decade and this decade and it
continued on but not now not now if not
we don't do that chase why we do that
now Amica this is America joke this is
not how we operate today we are moral we
are the leaders of the Free World have
you found it this is it right yeah this
is it give me the [ __ ] so give me
some volume so he's getting his
shot with his stupid mask on he's got
shot accomplished and it is it is time
to stop codling them the ones who won't
get the damn shot already and our first
step you and I is symbols the language
we use we call these people vaccine
hesitant vaccine Skeptics antiva we say
they're protesting mandates and
passports they're making a personal
choice they're waiting for more
information they're making a medical
decision [ __ ] they're afraid they're
afraid to get vaccinated correct stop
feeding their egos about what they're
doing stop legitimizing it vaccine
hesitant they're afraid vaccine Skeptics
they're afraid antix they're afraid
they're protesting mandates and
passports they're afraid a little bit of
spittle in his upper lipes they're
afraid extra good they're waiting for
more information afraid they're making a
medical decision to be
afraid the snowflakes are afraid okay we
get it we get it isn't it
wonderful
wow but he's doing this for social
credit he's doing this to Virtue signal
he's doing this to show everybody he's
holding up his card I'm
compliant you know and he thinks he's
going to it's going to benefit him
somewhere there's a payoff socially he
he feels like he is on the side of the
intelligent people who trust the
science yeah I wonder if someone asked
him to do the video I doubt it
but maybe maybe possibly I know that
they definitely did encourage people to
post things on social media yeah so it
was encouraged enough to the point where
you got a little a little reward
emotionally good job Keith but they're
leveraging the that Authority in the
tribe yeah like I'm not going to nobody
nobody celebrity is going to talk like
that on TV unless lots of people agree
there got he's got to have a l backing
plenty of people agreed with him but the
thing about it is like afraid of what
like you're not you're not saying what
they're afraid of they're afraid of what
everyone's experiencing right now Keith
yeah massive side effects yeah look at
the amount of people that have
myocarditis look at the the Rises and
all these autoimmune disorders and all
these different things that people
neurological conditions that people are
dealing with that are vaccine injured
I've got a friend of mine that was
kicked out of the military uh for not
getting it and it broke my heart he was
in for 19 years he was about to retire
and get pension and all that kind of
stuff now the Trump Administration
apparently is going to bring those
people back if they want to come back
with back pay yes is that happening to
him yes that's great he's going back in
he was a commander it's [ __ ] crazy
well good for him first of all for
sticking to his guns you know and if he
knows anybody that's been injured or
died from it now I bet he probably feels
pretty good about his decision and I
tell you what man at 19 years I probably
would have done it I think I would have
done it CU that's like that's pay for
the rest of your life and your kids are
covered and with medical insurance but
by then you know people had already
known that there were side effects you
I've talked about it before but my my
situation was uh I was not hesitant at
all initially the UFC had allocated a
bunch of uh the vaccines for um their
employees and we were doing shows during
the pandemic and uh we were doing them
in Vegas so there were at this place
called the Apex Center which is a
smaller Arena that the UFC had fights in
during the pandemic everybody had to be
tested you have to be tested before you
get there you have to be tested at home
before you fly the whole deal you get
there and then once you get there uh
they told me that they had uh vaccines
for all the employees so I called the
doctor and I said hey can I uh do it
while I'm here I was going to do it the
day of the fight I thought it was like
the flu shot like whatever I didn't no I
had no fear of vaccines at all before
this point I had no I'd never read any
books about vaccines I thought anybody
who was antivaxer was a c vaccines is
the reason why we don't have polio and
small POA all these different things
right so um they tell me that I would
have to come back on Monday I can't come
back on Monday or I'd have to go to the
the clinic on Monday they have to do it
there they can't do it at the arena I
said I can't uh but I'll be back in two
weeks for the next fights I'll do it
then in between the time I was supposed
to be there and come back it gets pulled
from the market so they had the Johnson
and Johnson it gets pulled for blood
clots then two people I knew got Strokes
oh God and I was like what the [ __ ] is
going on because like so many people are
getting vaccinated and you know if you
have millions of people getting
vaccinated you're going to have some
serious side effects occasionally and I
was around quite a few and I started
getting really ner and then when it came
back I'm like do I have to take this
thing because then they had pulled the
Johnson to Johnson and they were saying
well you still get the fiser or the mad
I'm like whoa whoa whoa like what's
going on here what's going on and then a
bunch of people that I knew had it and
got over it really quick they got covid
and then my family got it and when my
family got it I was like let me see if I
can get it cuz like uh I didn't do
anything different I hugged my kids I
slept with my wife like we we hung out
together they were like you're going to
get sick everybody was sick in the house
but me and I was like hm this ISD I had
two days where I when I was working out
I felt kind of weak maybe that's because
of your horse paste could be I wasn't
even taking horse Bas at the time um I
was taking nothing I was just vitamins I
was constantly doing vitamins and
nutrients I do I I was doing IV vitamins
at the time once a week with NAD I was
very I'm I'm healthy I work out a lot
but it was this narrative that if you
around it you're definitely going to get
it and I was like okay well that's not
true yeah because I was [ __ ] around
it and this was back then when everybody
had it in my family there was no vaccine
so I was like okay let me see what
happens and I didn't get it and I was
like they all got over it and they all
and then a bunch of my friends got it
Jamie got it everybody got over it I was
like this is not what everyone's saying
everyone's saying it's a death sentence
like this is [ __ ] weird this whole
thing is weird and then um I eventually
got sick because I was touring and I was
doing Arenas and I was like traveling
around and wasn't that bad it was like
one day I felt real sick it's likeold
two days later I made that video and CNN
turned my face green and I saw that it
was nuts so that to me was fascinating
to be the subject of a scop was
fascinating I the day that I saw I was
on Twitter or something and I saw
someone did a side by side
original aired when it when you were
like greened listen man if I was really
sick I would tell everybody hey man this
is for real I'm really [ __ ] sick like
uh this is really scary because I'm very
healthy I very rarely get sick and I'm
[ __ ] real sick like do your best get
vaccinated do whatever you got to do but
I was like this is weird because this is
not what everybody said it was going to
be this is not this death sentence 3
Days Later 6 days later I'm working out
with 100% energy had no problems at all
I did 10 Rounds on the bag 6 days later
just to see I was like let's see I feel
great like let's see how I feel like
endurance wise it was 100% I felt
totally normal 6 days later so like this
is what we shut the [ __ ] world down
for and didn't tell anybody to get
healthier didn't tell anybody about
vitamin D I was very fortunate that I
had a very good doctor who is very into
nutrition very into supplementation and
he was prescribing me coratin and zinc
and you want to be really up on all your
vitamin C and D and and D3 and make sure
that you take it with K2 and magnesium
like he was on the ball so I was on the
ball and I was like okay why don't we
tell people this and how come everyone's
mad at me why you mad at me for getting
healthy this is crazy yeah it was
fascinating to watch that scop it was
that was the weirdest thing to watch it
turned on me you yeah you became the
media the like the the medium that they
used for the scop and I can't imagine
how that feels it was weird it was weird
but I was also getting a lot of support
too it was it wasn't all um people mad
at me there was a lot of people mad at
me but I just stayed off social media
but there was also a lot of people that
were supporting me like hey what about
why is he healthy like why is he okay
how come how come you know this 54 year
old guy didn't just drop dead like you
said everybody was going to yeah why is
he making a video three days later it
feels great the [ __ ] going on and I I
will will tell you man I put have a
YouTube video on my channel that is
anti- cops like how to spot scops in
action and I copied that video that they
made I made a very very similar intro
but the moment that I saw one doctor on
YouTube had to not use this was at the
very beginning he had to not use that
word he couldn't say certain words on
YouTube like vaccine all stuff I was
like 100% this is yeah this is well all
the algorithms were searching for it so
people would spell vax like V and then
they would use like a dash and then an X
you know they would do something to try
to skirt around the algorithm yeah so
and and then why is that's the one thing
is is someone credible being suppressed
is a credible person being suppressed
and then when you see it tenfold 100
people all these people that are being
suppressed if your idea is good nobody
has to be Qui and then it's going to
catch on its own also the the C the
counter to that is if your idea is bad
you can't just force it through people
are going to figure it out eventually
they're going to realize eventually if
you keep calling this stuff horse paste
veterinary medicine and people are going
to find out oh wait a minute it actually
won the Nobel Prize the the inventor of
it for humans for use in humans and
actually it's on the World Health
Organization list of essential medicines
actually it's been prescribed billions
not millions billions of times like what
the [ __ ] is going on where you're saying
this is Hors paced 50 plus 100 years
it's been around quite a long time and
it has a incredible safety profile which
was the wildest thing about them going
Allin and calling it horse paace cuz
like you are doing this at the expense
of your credibility for people who just
want short-term profits and you're
you're killing your business your
business is people want to believe you
when you're talking about the news and
now they don't yeah
they don't over something really stupid
well you could have just ignored me you
didn't have to do that you could have
just ignored me yeah it probably would
have had very little effect but then my
video probably would have had very
little effect people probably wouldn't
have believed me oh yeah bet he feels
like [ __ ] and he's lying that would have
been fine yeah but instead they went all
in and too many people were paying
attention to it and by that time too
many people had already had Co and
gotten over it and going what the [ __ ]
is going on and then there was the whole
thing where they were saying you had to
get vaccinated even if you had suffered
from Co and recovered where you had
natural immunity that was proven to be
seven times stronger it was a pure scop
yeah so and the big thing there was when
I when I can make fun of Joe Rogan and
like I can shame Joe Rogan if I could do
that to you one of the one of the more
popular guys in the country especially
when it comes to Media then I can I can
I can just make that a trickle down
compliance effect where I can get
millions of people to comply because if
they're going to do that to Rogan there
that might happen to me well I'm sure it
worked I'm sure it worked I'm sure a lot
of people complied after they saw that
they saw those attacks and you know I
met a lot of people that would accuse me
of spreading misinformation like what
did I say tell me what I said yeah what
was misinformation what was wrong and
they can't even tell you they didn't
even know what they were just like
saying something because you were there
like they they felt like they had to say
that it was a a fascinating time and um
what's interesting is coming out of that
now you know the country coming out of
that now I think people are way more
skeptical way more skeptical of
believing the media and way more
skeptical believing the government way
more skeptical I think that was a huge
mistake for short-term profits I think
they still would have made a ton of
money a lot of people were scared they
would have taken it anyway they lied
about all the [ __ ] studies anyway
they they they were doing well they but
they sacrificed their ability to do this
in the future yeah they gave their hand
I don't know who said this quote man but
it's I think it's the best quote about
Society is like a society that grows is
when men and it's an old quote but men
plant trees whose shade they will never
enjoy thinking about the future and not
this this one little spike in profit and
that's when a society flourishes when
we're when we're doing that kind of
stuff well I think it's essentially a a
symptom of a system that's been captured
right it's the the media works for them
because they support the media
financially you know um uh c means has
talked about this that the reason why
they sponsor so many uh television shows
is not that they want to sell more drugs
it's to keep those shows from
criticizing
them that's terrifying it is terrifying
it's terrifying that it's effective and
it works and that we're one of only two
countries on Earth that allows them to
advertise pharmaceutical drugs yeah
because we know the commercials are Sops
propaganda I mean mean when you see that
lady and she's dancing with her daughter
in the field and they're spinning around
circles and now she's happy and
everything's great and but you're
[ __ ] depressed and you're at home
you're like oh I want the music to play
I want to be dancing in the field I want
to be at the cookout with all the fellas
having a good old time that look I can't
do that with myasis yeah I can't do that
with whatever I'm on what whatever's
wrong with me give me give me what got
and get me into that commercial yeah and
it it's effective It's very effective
they've been doing this for a long time
and they've got a Playbook written by
Edward bernes of all people wrote this
book and the book's called crystallizing
public opinion and he and you can see it
in every one of these operations and
it's a short book you can read it in
like two
hours every one of these things follows
that Playbook of zops which makes sense
why he would change the name of the
Department of War to the Department of
Defense yeah like it's way more
palatable yeah he's also the reason that
bacon became part of American breakfast
well kudos to him for that because that
was a good move yeah bac's pretty solid
funny he was Sigman Freud's nephew
whoa yeah what if they did Coke together
the the father of propaganda is Sigman
Freud's relative nephew that's crazy
Sigman Freud helped raise this guy so
did you his book oh yeah what does it
say in there so essentially it is it's
capturing a mass public attention and
making the desired outcome about
identity belonging and being part of a
tribe so to give you an example uh
Virginia Slims hired him to say like hey
it's just men that are smoking our
cigarettes and he's like yeah well women
need to smoke you want women to smoke
them like yeah let's do it so he
launches this thing called torches of
freedom are you familiar with this yeah
you were telling me about it oh my God
just a bring a photo of this if you can
cuz it's I'm getting excited about this
um it just these people were compromised
in such a crazy way so he says women are
told not to smoke so he goes
against all of this stuff at at the
beginning women are told not to smoke
everybody tells you you can't smoke in
public this is about women's rights has
nothing to do with cigarettes so
he organized this massive women's right
movement an ancient Prejudice has been
removed isn't it just look at the the
[ __ ] chain American
intelligence look at that the chain says
American intelligence around the wrist
Lucky Strike
cigarettes that's so weird I'm sorry
yeah it wasn't just Virginia Slims it
was big
tobacco there's a picture of the Torches
of Freedom cooking that one with the
lady right there while
cursor keep a slender figure that one
believe in
yourself that's an updated meme I don't
know what that oh is it is it fake it
seems like it the font's totally
different meme font don't test one brand
alone compare them
all yeah so they can't advertise
cigarettes anymore right isn't that the
rule not on TV I don't know about can
they do it in magazines I can they still
remember the mobro man didn't he die at
cancer I don't know bu his magazines
remember the marro man yeah [ __ ]
everybody wanted to be that dude yeah
he's like the original John Dutton denim
jacket yeah out there on the Range
looking all rugged I wish I was him you
know cigarette ads are restricted in
magazines in the United States but are
still present in some magazines so like
federal law limits tobacco advertising
in magazines and on billboards however
tobacco companies can advertise in
magazines that have at least 85% adult
readers oh so
porn so it's like Playboy right it's
mostly adults mostly adults us cigarette
sorry you read that yeah what does it
say us cigarette giant starts
advertising again in magazines millions
of young readers oh 2013 oh that's
Britain yeah that's so I mean do you
think advertising should be legal it's a
weird thing right I think about
sometimes when I read my Spotify ads
which is why I don't I I say no to a lot
of things that um want to advertise like
some things come across wait whoa whoaa
what is that what is that is that real
is that is that legit is this funky is
that a good product is this is this
anything I whatever you this sounds like
[ __ ] you know so I want to make sure
is this something that I would use is
this something legitimate because
advertising is kind of creepy it is but
but it's not if it's cool like if you're
doing an ad for a Corvette ZR1 I could
do an ad for a ZR1 I'll tell you that
[ __ ] thing is the [ __ ] it's amazing
like you should know that if you get in
one of those things and drive it will be
[ __ ] incredible that's real like it's
a solid product it's a real thing like I
could feel good about that ad because I
know that's a real awesome piece of
engineering and and technology that
they've created yeah but if it's not
like if you're trying to convince
people some shady [ __ ] Yeah It's Tricky
and that's the thing like everybody
wants to regulate or deregulate things
like let's make this D
illegal but you're not you can't
regulate Health anymore than you can
regulate morality it's like when they
made alcohol legal everybody just went
into right so instead of making you have
to inform the public instead of restric
them like you're not going to
regulate morality and and good decisions
and it just won't happen you have to get
like we have to stand on freedom and
then educate like maybe there needs to
be a cigarette warning label and like
whatever is putting these die and stuff
like which I'm not educated on but all
this like chemicals and stuff in the
foods may need a label instead of a
regulation right so maybe that's that's
the ticket I don't think there's a right
answer it's like so many of these issues
it's there's no right answer about
everything I mean did the ads on
cigarettes where they show like may
cause cancer may cause a little birth
did that even put a dent in the amount
of people that smoke cigarettes no but
it made a it may have but it made a
better informed public like at least you
knew it yeah you're doing you're
willingly now taking the poison right
right and you should be able to just
like you should be able to eat junk food
like when people talk about like getting
rid of Doritos or making them change the
thing like hey hold up Doritos as they
are are [ __ ] amazing just don't eat
them every day stupid you should eat
them like knowing this is just mouth
pleasure I'm going to just have some
[ __ ] delicious Cool Ranch Doritos
they're not good for you they not
pretend to be good for you you're not
supposed to eat them for nutrition
dumbass this is like mouth Recreation
that's what that is it's not really food
are you going to feel like [ __ ]
afterwards yeah if you eat the whole bag
are you going to get sick well if you
eat them every day all day you'll get
sick don't do that have them every now
and then you're watching a movie open up
a bag of Doritos what's the big [ __ ]
deal not a big deal the only thing
that's going to happen if you make it
illegal is they'll just slap a label on
it says for external use only put it
right Doritos but it's just one of those
things was like I don't think you should
tell people they can't have things that
aren't healthy for them cuz there's a
lot of things like cookies and cake and
[ __ ] it's just not [ __ ] healthy for
you are you going to kill the baking
industry like that's dumb that doesn't
make any sense to me like you should
just know what you're doing you should
and unfortunately a lot of people don't
a lot of people aren't very educated as
far as food give your throat a
vacation God smoke a fresh cigarette cam
unfiltered camels they're [ __ ]
they're the
worst oh my God go did you see that that
second pair C of that what no what it
say it's a there's a peppery stuff in
other tobaccos that stays in your throat
oh it's the peppery dust left in tobacco
by inefficient cleaning methods that
makes you cough they're actually
advertising this the the cellophane on
the pack to keep it's keeping it more
fresh of course it is Jamie the humid or
there's no stale crumbly parch tobacco
the fine Turkish and Mild domestic
tobaccos of which camels are Blended
come to you in prime factory fresh
condition thank thanks to the humidor
pack it's basically humodor the last one
give your throat a vacation switch to
camels for just one day then leave them
if you can sounds like Fredo LS they
knew yeah you can't eat just one pop two
stop all that stuff is Pringles I that's
both of them there that's a lot of them
you bet you can't eat just one yeah
they're good they're good just don't eat
them every day stupid one of these but
if they take [ __ ] potato chips off
the shelf if they take Ruffles off the
shelf I'm going to be pissed or if okay
all right leave all that garbage up
there leave Coca-Cola up there let them
have it you can't regulate good
decisions no but you should know what
you're doing but if you know what you're
doing you take care of yourself it's not
bad to have cake every now and then yeah
a little bit of cake I completely agree
um but there's a lot of value in what
you're teaching and what you're
explaining to people and I think if more
people
understand how psychological
manipulation is used they'll be less
vulnerable yeah to it and I think one of
the things that that the first things
that we teach people is called the
firewall illusion so like if you went to
Best Buy today and like picked up a
laptop and I was like Joe you should get
the antiviral or whatever software there
and you like no I don't believe in
viruses I'm immune to
it that is that's a problem so if you
believe you can't be persuaded by these
things if you believe that social media
can't can't persuade me doesn't work on
me bro you are the suggestable person
like your brain versus A1 trillion
computer you're going to lose I'm going
to lose and I can spot all of the things
and I'm still going to lose what do you
think is the biggest impact in terms of
social media on the way people
think rephrase that what the like social
media obviously is having some sort of
psychological manipulation on people
yeah what do you think the biggest
impact is having on people other than
the theft of your time tribal confusion
so I get to automatically I don't have
to hack your brain I don't have to
convince you of anything all I have to
do is tell you a whole shitload of
people believe this one thing and all
that is it may not get you to Keel over
right away but it gets you to say wow
it's it's starting to become a pretty
popular idea I'm going to start to
entertain it might start entertaining
that so technology is outpaced our
brain's ability to adapt period we
cannot adapt our brains are were haven't
changed in 200 ,000 years if I can trick
the mammal part of your brain that
doesn't even speak English not even
English so all I have to do is get the
human part of your brain to translate
what I'm seeing what you're seeing on
the phone into an image in your mamalian
brain and think that there is it's brand
new something weird that you're not
haven't seen before like on does that
sound familiar on social media sure
weird unusual oh yeah novelty generates
Focus then there's an authority because
you're thinking a lot this thing has 97
,000 likes in the last hour or whatever
Authority tribe tribe is there it's
built into the likes and then a lot of
bots in the comments that agree with it
and chime in and yeah can't believe he's
doing this what a narcissist all that
kind of stuff um I've got I've got a
hold I've put a leash around your
mamelon brain and people don't realize
how fast it happens how fast that stuff
can happen what do you think like if I'm
doing if I'm having you on social media
for 16 hours a day which is like I think
11 hours is like a a common number for
people kids especially if I've got you
for 16 hours with Advanced algorithms
and Technology designed to manipulate
you
specifically and in 1972 they could talk
someone into murder in 45
minutes if you just imagine what's
possible and know that governments are
utilizing that that that's a it's not
just people's opin opions and it's not
just groups of people that are trying to
convince other people to think the way
they think it's actual governments that
are involved in trying to manipulate
narratives yeah and it's if you and if
you're thinking it's a left and a right
issue that's also you may be a victim
yeah that's a big one it's not this Us
Versus Them [ __ ] is nonsense most people
aren't even left or right most people
just have a conglomeration of opinions
that they've sort of accepted as their
own yeah and and I mean JFK got killed
for saying stuff like that like it's not
left it's not right let's bring this
together let's incorruption all these
plans we're going to release all these
files all these documents I'm not you
probably you've had experts on here
about that stuff well I don't know
what's going on and we won't know really
until these files actually get released
and what's going to be in them what the
[ __ ] are they what is it going to say we
did it when is that going to happen do
you know I don't know cash Patel's in
you know um he going to do it we'll see
he apparently wants to I mean I think
there's probably a lot of sorting
through to figure out what to say and
how to say it and what to release I feel
like they should just release it all and
let the internet
hounds go at it let them figure out
they're the best at it anyway and
they're the most psychotic they'll
[ __ ] they'll be working 16 hours a
day until they figure it all out yeah
you know so let me tell you when it when
it comes to all these beliefs formation
I'll tell you the formula for hypnosis
okay and this I don't think anybody's
ever said this I've never said it out
loud not even in my
training it's enhanced level of focus
and then micro compliances so like if
I'm uh have you seen the street
performers that would hypnotize somebody
in a bar or like you know like to do
something silly or maybe they're helping
them so the first step is like if I'm
hypnotizing you and it's in a social
setting the first couple of steps are
all right come over here now stand to
the left now move your legs just a
little bit further now spread them
further apart so you have some balance
all right just make sure you have some
range of motion go ahead and put your
arms out on none of those are meaningful
right they're all meaningless all I'm
doing is get you to comply comply comply
comply and that's just the first like 30
seconds I've got you to comply with me
15 times we haven't even started the
hypnosis thing
yet and so it's just you're you're not
aware that you're becoming compliant you
just think I'm going through some
motions but it's just hijacking the
mammal brain yeah so it's compliance
compliance compliance and then it's just
like go ahead and stare over there I
want you to look at that light up there
I want you to just focus on that light
up there and just let everything go so
it's just a lot of Focus right and I and
I'll say something like I can already
tell been doing this for 20 years you're
going to be really good at this and
everything's going to be just fine
you'll be able to hear my voice the
whole time it's not a coma you'll be
able to stand and maintain Perfect
Balance you'll be completely okay
Authority yeah and no matter what
happens you're going to walk out of this
a better person everybody's going to
respect you more and and I'll frame it
as like uh us hypnotists call the
ability to go into hypnosis unconscious
intelligence but I'll only say that if
you're an intelligence person so if
you're a significance driven person I'll
say we call this unconscious
power this ability to go into hypnosis
so I'll make it about your identity
right away yeah and then there's an
increase in dissociation like there's
one part of you doing this one part of
you doing that so that's like the
induction where they're saying oh every
all the way down that kind of stuff yeah
but that's if you look at social media
the final step of hypnosis is
fractionation
out a slightly out of Trance back in and
every time you go back down into that
trance you go deeper you you go if you
put an EEG on someone's head and you I
think you've had Dr David spel on uh
here before or you've at least had
Darren Brown yeah I've had Darren Brown
on um they've done studies on this like
this fractionation process increases the
amount of theta waves that are going on
in your brain which is the theta waves
of hypnosis so from the ages of 1 to8
give or take your brain is in Theta like
80% of the day that's why we learn so
fast and we we can do all that stuff so
up and down up and down and if you go
back the next time for anybody watching
this the next time you start scrolling
through social media I want you to watch
how that it's going to Peak a positive
experience for two or three videos in a
row and it's going to start going
downhill and it's going to go back up
and it's going to go downhill and every
ad that you see the algorithm doesn't do
this on purpose the algorithm does it
because it's effective every time you
see and AD is going to be at at one of
those down
troughs they're not going to spike you
up and have you feel good like with that
guy putting on the color glasses that
was color blind and he can see and he's
crying and all that they're not going to
show you an ad after that they'll show
you an ad at the bottom it's every
time and I don't think that's programmed
into the algorithm I think the algorithm
adapted because that is the effective
way to do it
Jesus listen here's your book Behavior
Ops this is a fat book dude there's a
lot going on in here it's all indexed
and um is this available everywhere yeah
Amazon and uh my website what is the
website NCI do University all right well
thank you man it was very interesting
fun fun conversation appreciate
appreciate all right bye everybody
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