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0:25 we're talking about mind [ __ ] chesar
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0:31 yeah for sure so uh you were just
0:34 telling me that you had a brain
0:38 disease and you what did you do to fix
0:41 it so I uh what was it first of all uh
0:46 it's temporal of epilepsy with mesial
0:48 temporal
0:49 sclerosis when did you develop this we
0:52 don't know but uh I started having
0:54 seizuring like a few years ago and
0:56 everybody in my family knows I'm a
0:58 neuroscientist I've say with a lowercase
1:00 n not a PhD neuroscientist but uh but
1:03 you studied Neuroscience yeah I I
1:06 postgrad at Harvard and and Duke but uh
1:09 they assumed you know Chase has studied
1:12 all this stuff he's going to know if
1:13 he's having seizures but these seizures
1:15 come with amnesia so I didn't remember
1:19 that I was having any of them and this
1:20 was like three years ago I had retired
1:22 from the military and then started
1:24 having these
1:25 seizures
1:27 so then I I found a neurologist just the
1:30 the drug that they gave me the number
1:31 one side effect was
1:34 seizures of from this pharmaceutical
1:36 company so I kind of looked around and I
1:39 found this guy's a functional medicine
1:42 guy and he got me on uh methylene blue
1:45 to start off and I know Mel Gibson was
1:47 on here talking about it m and that
1:51 instantly stopped
1:53 everything and some other stuffff was a
1:56 fabric die right yeah in 1890 how weird
2:00 and it who the [ __ ] drank it
2:03 first who's that guy make blue jeans out
2:07 of that huh wonder what it tastes like
2:09 yeah what if I drink it every day if it
2:11 affects my health it it tastes like
2:13 chewing an asp I'd take it okay yeah I
2:16 take it every day as well and yeah RFK
2:18 Jr told me about it yeah man it's
2:20 fantastic and so this guy's injecting in
2:23 1890 injects these rats with it and then
2:25 does an autopsy on these things and
2:29 their brain the brain stem every single
2:31 nerve is blue so he discovered this
2:33 methylene blue has an affinity for
2:35 neuronal tissue so he says well it's
2:39 sucking into neurons what's it doing so
2:41 we could talk about if you want to but
2:42 sure um how it's working and working in
2:46 the body so we started putting it in
2:48 humans and we found out it's an MAOI
2:52 which is mono Aman oxide inhibitor yeah
2:54 yeah uh which helps with depression and
2:57 anxiety and all kinds of Life stress and
2:59 stuff does it um cause side effects if
3:02 you're taking any drug that you
3:03 shouldn't take with an
3:05 MAOI there are some studies that have
3:08 been
3:09 recalled U that said you can't take it
3:11 with ssris because you could develop
3:13 serotonin syndrome right but they they
3:15 did recall the study as far as I'm aware
3:18 and it is so incredible that it acts as
3:22 an electron donor to mitochondria
3:24 especially your neuronal
3:27 mitochondria so it helps you produce
3:29 more ATP
3:30 and it helps you get rid of this stuff
3:32 called reactive oxygen species so you
3:34 have a oxygen molecule should have two
3:36 hydrogens on it and like your body's job
3:38 is to convert stuff into water so you
3:40 can pee it out so if you get an oxygen
3:43 molecule it's got four five one it's a
3:46 reactive oxygen which we call free
3:48 radicals so methylene blue goes in there
3:51 and balances a lot of those things out
3:53 in your brain and your nervous system so
3:56 it is a miracle and it's been proven for
3:59 a hundred years you it's the one of the
4:01 most well-proven drugs out there what
4:03 what's the side effects of it are there
4:04 any not a not a bunch I would imagine if
4:07 you're taking an MAOI there's there wild
4:11 [ __ ] going on there yeah like if you mix
4:14 it with uh anything that has metamine in
4:19 it like age cheeses red wine you're not
4:22 supposed to mix it if you're on a high
4:23 dose though but you're probably taking
4:25 one milligram per kilogram and you weigh
4:27 probably 75 kilograms what's that weight
4:30 what's 75 K you're probably 189 190
4:34 close okay yeah pretty close little heav
4:36 than that okay and uh so you take maybe
4:39 40 milligrams a day to 80 milligrams a
4:42 day and do you you put it in water is
4:44 that what you do no I have these little
4:45 trokes it's like the consistency of a
4:47 starburst oh okay and you just cut them
4:50 up and they're 40 milligrams each U you
4:53 obviously got to swallow them really
4:54 quick or your teeth are going to be blue
4:55 for the for an entire day yeah yeah it's
4:58 a pretty potent die see need my pee yeah
5:01 well I had to change the toilets in my
5:03 house to to Black toilets cuz my
5:05 kids my kids take it my wife takes it
5:08 Jesus everybody takes it but like if you
5:10 go to a party and you forget to flush
5:11 everybody just thinks that it's there's
5:13 it's one of those supplements that I
5:15 take I'm like are you sure like every
5:17 time I take it I'm like are you [ __ ]
5:18 sure like I I drink it in in water I
5:21 take a little eye drop and I squirt in
5:22 water I drink it and every no Gary Brea
5:25 told me about I should correct that he
5:26 told me to take it with uh red light
5:29 therapy that's that's what it was about
5:32 and he tell you why why it all works he
5:35 probably did but I probably forgot well
5:38 it's blue why does it work for red light
5:39 therapy um so anything that's blue means
5:42 that it absorbs red and reflects blue
5:45 light so if you're in a red light
5:47 therapy machine all your neurons are
5:49 soaking up way more red light than than
5:53 they otherwise would without methylene
5:55 oh so it's Fant it's like 600x the
5:58 effectiveness of red light therapy
6:00 really I'm making that up but it is a
6:03 significant yeah it's a significant
6:05 increase how weird is it to be uh
6:07 essentially a brain expert and get a
6:09 brain disease it was horrifying because
6:13 I know where this is going to go at the
6:16 end of the day your hippocampus your
6:18 memory Center of your brain is eating
6:20 itself and during a seizure you can lose
6:24 up to about a million neurons a second
6:26 and my the seizures were like a minute
6:28 and a half long and they're not like
6:29 shaking on the floor a temporal L
6:30 seizure you just kind of like you're
6:32 just out like you're unconscious seiz up
6:35 like Mitch McConnell yeah like you turn
6:37 into a little zombie your head falls
6:38 down and um at the end of the
6:42 day I I tried so many different things
6:45 to to fix it and stop these seizures I
6:47 was I was at a point of nine seizures a
6:49 day Jesus and I was desperate and you
6:52 think this is because of the medication
6:53 that they gave you that caus the
6:54 seizures or is this just a I never took
6:57 it you oh okay so you had seiz seur but
7:00 the medication why would they give you
7:02 something that has a side effect of
7:05 seizures I don't know if you're getting
7:08 seizures and I don't know why there I
7:10 mean you hear so much about these these
7:12 medical schools getting paid off by
7:14 companies and stuff that that don't
7:17 really have our best interest at heart
7:19 and I think that methylene blue it's you
7:22 shouldn't have to tell a doctor about
7:23 methylene blue I think everybody should
7:25 know about it and you can get it on
7:26 Amazon you can get it I I get mine from
7:28 this company called miden
7:30 and it's fantastic and it's changed my
7:34 life I would have been gone by now
7:36 what's the root cause of this disease do
7:38 they know they know what's going on so
7:40 there's one there's two factors you have
7:42 a genetic
7:44 predisposition so you have this thing in
7:46 your genes called the apoe4 AL okay
7:49 that's the same thing that causes you to
7:50 get CTE and yeah or Alzheimer's yeah and
7:55 if you have that plus I shouldn't say
7:56 causes you but yeah you know it's one of
7:58 those ones where if you get hit in the
8:00 head a lot it's not a good thing to have
8:01 right and then I did 20 years in the
8:03 military so being around explosions and
8:07 all kinds of gunfire and all that kind
8:08 of stuff they said this probably caused
8:10 some kind of concussive
8:13 syndrome yeah that's a real issue right
8:16 exp it's people think of concussions
8:18 only as like you getting hit but it's
8:20 not it's just it's any kind of jolting
8:22 to your body my friend Mark Gordon works
8:26 with a uh a lot of soldiers and people
8:28 with traumatic brain injuries and he
8:29 says you can get it from jet skiing
8:32 which is really crazy wow just the
8:34 bounce mhm hard bouncing the jostling if
8:37 you like people who really love jet
8:39 skiing and do it all the time they start
8:41 getting a little bit of CTE that makes
8:43 sense our our our brain is floating it's
8:45 neutrally buoyant inside of liquid so
8:48 that makes sense it's smashing around
8:50 inside your skull all right it's
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9:58 it out so how did you get involved in I
10:02 mean your your space is like you wrote
10:04 this book Behavior Ops manual and you're
10:07 you've got a lot of stuff online like
10:09 how to motivate yourself and discipline
10:11 yourself and that's how I uh found out
10:14 about you some of the different videos
10:16 that I thought were really insightful
10:18 about uh how to sort of schedule
10:22 progress in whatever you're trying to
10:24 accomplish in your life how to set
10:25 things out how' you get involved in all
10:26 this kind of stuff it's a story I I mean
10:30 I was 19 years old stationed in Pearl
10:32 Harbor I got turned down by a girl one
10:34 night and I went home and I typed in how
10:36 to tell when girls like you on the on
10:39 the
10:40 internet I printed out like a two foot
10:43 stack of of [ __ ] just just to read
10:45 through because I didn't want to be
10:47 rejected again so that's hilarious I got
10:50 into this body language stuff and then
10:52 it was just Behavior and the more I
10:54 could kind of see somebody's
10:56 insecurities and when somebody was
10:58 stressed and the little fears that are
11:00 hiding behind behaviors like it made
11:02 them human to me so I think it had some
11:04 social anxiety and me being able to kind
11:06 of see behind that mask I wasn't judging
11:08 anybody but it was like wow they're
11:10 they're messed up too so I kind of got
11:12 addicted to that and I just rode this
11:14 line down this Behavior path and I got
11:17 obsessed with studying all this behavior
11:20 and a friend of mine was killed on USS
11:22 coal during the the terrorist attack in
11:25 in 2001 September 11th the Cole got
11:27 attacked in the Gulf of Yemen
11:29 and uh I was like reading these
11:32 intelligence reports afterward that said
11:34 there's failures on the ground we didn't
11:36 develop Assets in the country we didn't
11:38 you know take the actions that we needed
11:39 to take to to get this intelligence and
11:42 I was like man they need this Behavior
11:44 stuff so I got more and more obsessed
11:46 with it and I started training people in
11:48 the government uh probably around the
11:50 age of 30 or so and that was like just a
11:52 few years before I retired at 38 and I
11:56 I've the novelty still hasn't worn off
11:58 for me I'm still obsessed with that that
12:00 field of study so were you trained to
12:02 train people like how did you go about
12:04 starting to train people what was it
12:06 based on it was
12:08 me I the first group of people I trained
12:11 was a car dealership just to see if I
12:13 could do it I said I'm going to go in
12:14 there and and do it for free and then I
12:17 started training people in the military
12:20 and these are US Navy and other other
12:24 branches and I'm training them in like
12:26 these I got obsessed with this
12:27 interrogation stuff and and how the
12:30 brain works and and I got mostly got
12:32 obsessed with if I'm an intelligence
12:34 officer my job is to convince somebody
12:36 to do something that's not in their best
12:38 interest like I I need to convince you
12:40 to spy for your own country and give us
12:42 intelligence or if I'm an interrogator I
12:44 need to convince you to confess to a
12:46 crime so I spent time hanging out with
12:49 uh people that do cult recruiting out in
12:51 California well there's like official
12:54 people like human resources for cult
12:57 recruiting yeah what do you mean like
12:59 how do was do Cults hire them no I think
13:02 they join the cult and the cult says
13:04 well this guy's really charismatic or he
13:06 was uh I think half of these dudes were
13:09 like ex Club
13:11 promoters you know they got that Vibe
13:13 you know like which come by tonight
13:15 right and I spent time in San Bernardino
13:19 with a couple of people three or four
13:21 people three people that talked people
13:23 women into doing adult films like young
13:27 girls that were 19 20 years old just
13:29 starting college and I talked and I
13:32 asked them what are the methods that you
13:34 use what are the steps that you follow
13:35 and I've watched several of these
13:38 interactions and then spent time with
13:39 interrogators and people who do like
13:41 time share sales and stuff like that
13:43 which I don't know if you've ever been
13:44 at a time share sales not they're
13:48 hardcore and so I spent time with all
13:51 these people and I I wanted to figure
13:52 out what are the elements that make
13:54 somebody willing to do something that is
13:57 maybe not in their best interest and and
13:59 that transformed everything for me and
14:01 then I said we could use all of this
14:04 stuff from Manchurian candidates which
14:07 we can get into if you want to sure to
14:09 uh whatever to help people instead of to
14:11 do the opposite so I could use the same
14:14 technique to help a person instead of
14:17 get them to confess to a crime because
14:19 it's just a brain I'm not learning about
14:21 interrogation or cult recruiting or
14:23 anything I'm just learning where are
14:24 these little loopholes in the brain does
14:27 that make sense yeah so what Cults were
14:30 these people recruiting people
14:32 for I can't talk about it you can't say
14:34 the name of the cult name how many
14:36 different people did you talk to that
14:37 were cult recruiters six six so there's
14:40 more than six how many Cults are there
14:42 active right now it was two there were
14:43 two Cults two Cults six recruiters yep I
14:46 call them I would call them Cults but um
14:49 well I call a lot of things Cults so
14:50 throw that word around freely let's do
14:54 it and these guys were
14:56 just they were they had that little Bill
14:58 Clinton energy you know what I mean they
15:00 just kind of captivated the person they
15:02 were talking to in this little bubble
15:03 they were all about you they're really
15:05 interested in you and I heard Tom Cruz
15:08 is awesome at that oh yeah I heard when
15:10 you talk to him you're like the only
15:11 person in the room yeah and it's just
15:13 that that tell me more tell me more tell
15:17 me about your mom and you get that they
15:20 all had that quality to them but one of
15:24 the things that all of them had the one
15:26 trait that I think all of those guys had
15:28 was they could get you to deviate off of
15:30 your Baseline really quick so if you're
15:34 they can get you to curse that's step
15:36 one they get you to say something that's
15:38 a little bit out of outside of a social
15:40 Norm they would all do that as step
15:43 one every single time huh so what what
15:48 like in the Cults how would they do that
15:50 what would they try to get you to
15:51 deviate from what would they try to get
15:53 you to do so in the their goal was to
15:57 get you to agree to join the cult so if
15:59 I can get you to do something that's
16:00 outside of your Norm so I use something
16:03 called elicitation so instead of me
16:05 asking questions let's say we get into
16:07 the back of an Uber and I want to ask
16:09 the Uber driver to complain about his
16:11 job mhm instead of using questions which
16:14 are weird right so like I'm like hey do
16:16 you like your job right weird weird it's
16:19 like saying hey how much do you guys
16:21 make um you say hey I just read this
16:23 article the other day it said Uber
16:24 drivers the are the
16:26 most highest respect Ed people out there
16:29 and they love their job they have the
16:31 highest job satisfaction rating that's
16:32 incredible and they turn the guy turns
16:34 around like what so you bullshitted him
16:37 right so just that's called uh
16:40 triggering a need to correct the record
16:42 it's one of the
16:43 methods but I very quickly get your
16:46 brain to associate a mental script of
16:49 friend mode because he doesn't talk
16:51 about that with other writers he he
16:53 [ __ ] about his job to his his friends
16:56 right so I'm getting your brain to start
16:57 shifting into this I'm behaving as if
17:00 I'm with a friend right so I start
17:02 getting that behavior out of a person
17:04 very quickly so we're just activating a
17:06 script in that person's mind that goes
17:08 from I'm with a client to I'm with a
17:10 friend and that's a get that's that
17:12 first level deviation of behavior right
17:15 there okay and you're once you get the
17:18 script activated you can start leading
17:20 them in other directions so the Second
17:22 Step usually and this goes into manuri
17:24 and candidate stuff and if you want to
17:26 talk about searan searan and all that
17:27 kind of stuff we can sure
17:29 um but to get them to start making a
17:31 little bit of an identity agreement are
17:33 you this type of
17:35 person so in
17:38 reality if I wanted you to let's say
17:41 join a cult like are you the type of
17:43 person and I'll just have an AB question
17:45 okay so you know in my life I've
17:47 discovered there's two types of people
17:48 there's people that take action when
17:50 they know something's right and there's
17:51 people that wait and wait and wait and
17:53 I'm sure you know people that wait and
17:54 wait and wait but I've got you to agree
17:56 that you're type one okay because I said
17:58 I'm sure you know people and you're even
18:00 your head nodded right right right so
18:02 I've got this little agreement of
18:04 identity I am a type of person who blank
18:08 right so you're influencing a person to
18:10 sort of go along with whatever narrative
18:12 you've already created about them right
18:14 yes okay and if the moment you get to
18:18 Identity then you're you're guaranteeing
18:20 that you can predict future
18:22 behavior and this goes really deep we
18:24 can get into hypnosis and all that stuff
18:26 if you want to and uh once I get
18:29 identity agreement this is the same
18:31 thing with politics you see the exact
18:33 same thing they identity gets hijacked
18:36 and then I can do anything I want
18:37 because your identity is involved here
18:39 it's not you're agreeing with my ideas
18:41 you're agreeing because it's who you are
18:44 right but doesn't the person have to
18:45 sort of respect you first in order to go
18:49 along with this sort of social change
18:51 they have to have some sort of an
18:53 appreciation of you you have to be
18:55 impressive at the very beginning yes but
18:58 the moment your identities is involved
19:00 they can lead it further and further and
19:01 further and then so one of the third
19:04 steps there's a million but if there's a
19:07 experiment if Jamie could pull it up uh
19:10 called the the Lions experiment with Dr
19:12 Solomon Ash lion like the animal or l i
19:16 n line Lines line L N so where this guy
19:20 uh is that a table kind of like this but
19:22 there's you're a volunteer at experiment
19:24 there's like 15 people in the room
19:25 everybody else but you is a is a
19:29 is in on the experiment you're the only
19:32 volunteer in the room so they show you
19:34 these lines that um are three lines on
19:37 one page and they show one page that has
19:39 one line on it so which line on this
19:42 page is equal to this line over here
19:45 okay so obviously you're over here on
19:47 the target line you're going to pick C
19:49 right right I mean that's glaringly
19:52 obvious MH so in this experiment Dr Ash
19:56 is is doing this Conformity experiment
19:58 so these other people in the room all go
20:01 before you and everybody in the room one
20:03 at a time says a a a a a a and it gets
20:08 around to the person and this was almost
20:11 100% 100% of people in the experiment
20:14 would say
20:16 a and it's right in front of their face
20:19 H the truth is right in front of their
20:21 face and they would they would go with
20:23 the group because the group did it the
20:26 group is telling them what to choose but
20:29 it's not even slight like the difference
20:32 is so glaringly obvious it's kind of
20:34 amazing how did they uh pre-pick the
20:38 people that were going to be the test
20:40 subjects like did they have any specific
20:43 things that they were looking for
20:44 because I think there's a lot of people
20:45 that even if you got 13 people to say a
20:48 they would go what are you guys talking
20:50 about it's C like was there anything
20:53 about them that they picked like did
20:55 were these people pre-selected for being
20:58 no no no and they ran the experiment do
21:00 you ever think about yourself in that
21:02 room what would you do yeah and I worry
21:04 what do you no I think in in reality we
21:08 everybody that's listening right now
21:10 would say not me 100% of people would
21:13 say I wouldn't do that well I think it
21:16 kind of depends on your station in life
21:18 yeah you know where you're at when I was
21:20 young I might have just said a cuz
21:23 everybody was saying a yeah you know cuz
21:25 I didn't want to be an idiot so that's
21:26 one of the things they did they they
21:28 repli at the experiment on college
21:30 campuses where people are highly
21:32 suggestible they're young they're still
21:34 trying to figure out who they are and so
21:36 a lot more suggestible and this is if
21:38 you think of the way that social media
21:40 manipulates our brain it it falsifies
21:44 tribal
21:45 agreement and it makes us say a right so
21:48 we're willing to ignore everything that
21:50 we see because we're seeing the tribe
21:53 say that something else is happening
21:55 okay so it'll it override our brain and
21:58 if there's one thing like if you just
22:00 one thing that that matters a lot is
22:03 that our brains are not capable of this
22:07 Tech of overcoming this technology we
22:09 don't have a firewall and technology has
22:11 outpaced our brain's ability to adapt to
22:14 it so I can falsify a tribe around you
22:18 that says oh this is all happening right
22:19 now and Dr Phil you and I both are
22:23 friends with Dr Phil MH calls this the
22:25 tyranny of The Fringe where this Fringe
22:28 pretends to be a group of a million
22:31 people when it's just a small group that
22:34 gets over a lot of attention it's really
22:36 inflated so it looks like it's more
22:37 popular than it actually is and if your
22:40 identity is already there then you that
22:42 a automatically makes sense and will
22:44 ignore just basic facts and it's not on
22:47 about the right or the left it's both of
22:49 those sides have been doing this stuff
22:51 for a long time but if I can get you to
22:54 think that most of your tribal members
22:56 agree to X then most people like 90% of
23:00 people will say Okay X is
23:02 true well especially with social media
23:05 right because obviously it' be about
23:07 something about something that's a
23:09 little bit more complex than the size of
23:10 a line but you're so easily manipulated
23:14 because it's not really just people that
23:17 are responding it's a lot of bots yeah
23:19 and you're seeing that more and more
23:22 lately um I was watching this video
23:25 today and somebody pointed out after the
23:27 video look how many Bots have retweeted
23:30 this video and was astounding so it's
23:33 like oh there's a narrative that
23:34 someone's trying to push because of this
23:36 selectively edited video yeah like wow
23:40 well you're a dragon believer I saw that
23:42 that I love that so much
23:45 man that's just the view ladies they're
23:47 crazy they're they're the gift that
23:49 keeps giving that's that poor lady Joy
23:52 Reed or not Joy Reed uh Joy
23:54 Bear yeah said you believe in dragons
23:57 yeah it's hilarious and the next day I
23:58 think I checked your uh Twitter and it
24:01 was just said Joe Rogan Dragon believe
24:03 yeah I said I have to change it now it's
24:05 perfect Beau for someone like me that's
24:07 like that's a
24:09 gift and it what you were doing is not
24:11 just I mean it was funny it was really
24:13 funny but it it helped to shine a light
24:17 on the absurdity the absurdity that that
24:21 some of these people will go to to just
24:24 give people misinformation like the most
24:26 obvious misinformation well not only
24:28 that but it was after she was talking
24:31 about the view being a great source of
24:34 information because they're part of ABC
24:36 News so they check things unlike me who
24:39 believes in
24:41 dragons so was like it was so perfect
24:44 it's like [ __ ] did you even watch the
24:47 video and then she said she double
24:49 checked it did you double check that
24:50 like oh yeah I did I've checked
24:53 it that was wonderful oh made my day I
24:57 was happy all day that day I was like
24:59 what a great day it made my day to see
25:00 your change your Twitter well it's funny
25:02 when people are so their approach is so
25:05 simplistic it's so obvious to anyone
25:09 else that it becomes fun it become it
25:13 doesn't work at all not only does it not
25:15 slander you not only does it not
25:17 disparage people's opinions of you it
25:19 creates fun comedy yeah it creates
25:22 comedy it's like it's so ridiculous but
25:24 this is the problem not just with Bots
25:28 and social media influence but all also
25:30 with Echo Chambers right Echo chambers
25:32 that people create where they get a
25:33 bunch of people that only agree with
25:34 them and everybody disagrees with them
25:37 instead of looking at them and you see
25:39 that on that show all the time instead
25:40 of looking at someone else's perspective
25:42 and going okay so tell me how you came
25:45 to this conclusion like why do you think
25:47 this yeah and like letting them fully
25:49 Express instead it's
25:52 like everything is interrupting
25:54 everything is shouty I disagree with
25:56 everything you have said in the audience
25:58 claps and and they're going to stand up
26:00 for this or for that or instead of
26:03 having an actual conversation about
26:05 opinions and ideas and how you formulate
26:07 them and how your mind works and how you
26:09 think about things and why you think
26:10 about things instead of that it's just
26:13 ideological battles every day exactly
26:16 and it's it's identity instead of ideas
26:19 yes is what it is yeah it's Tribal it's
26:22 super it's well it's a bunch of people
26:24 that are afraid to be alone and are
26:27 afraid to be on the outside side and so
26:29 whatever the group agrees to they find
26:31 some sort of mental gymnastics they can
26:34 apply to these ideas that make them make
26:37 them relevant and it will reverse
26:40 rationalize a lot of those decisions yes
26:43 so they're emotionally made and
26:44 logically rationalized in our head but
26:47 we think that it's a logical decision
26:49 and it and it it's so easy to weaponize
26:52 a human being from a Manchurian
26:54 Candidate to just a getting someone to
26:55 like something on Twitter because it
26:57 makes them feel morally or
26:58 intellectually Superior because they
27:00 shared it it also makes them feel like
27:01 they're a part of a team which people
27:03 love I mean we are tribal animals we do
27:05 not like to be aone outcast we like to
27:08 be a part of a team which is why you see
27:10 audience capture is a big thing that
27:12 happens to people online they find
27:15 people that agree with them and then
27:16 they sort of lean into it big time yeah
27:18 they lean maybe a little too hard yeah a
27:21 lot of people do a lot of people they
27:22 kind of lose who they are and people
27:24 love to accuse everybody of that it's
27:26 interesting because everyone's kind of
27:27 aware of it now that it's a thing mhm
27:29 which is good you know keeps people on
27:31 their toes um but when bringing it back
27:33 to the Cults so they would try to get
27:37 you to do something and deviate from
27:39 your normal patterns yeah and then are
27:42 most of these most Cults are like sex
27:44 Cults right like pretty much all of them
27:46 right they I think they're just started
27:47 by really sex obsessed dudes that like
27:51 you know what I need a bunch of
27:52 20-year-olds in here there a few Cults
27:55 that have been started by ladies right
27:57 very few yeah yeah a few and then there
27:59 was that wild wild country one os's one
28:02 where the lady ran it and he was kind of
28:05 like sort of just this very odd Ecentric
28:07 Guru and she was an assassin I didn't
28:10 know this oh you didn't watch that
28:12 Netflix documentary no oh it's fantastic
28:14 it's so good cuz like all cult
28:17 documentaries it starts out like oh
28:18 these people have it nailed it starts
28:21 out so good they're they're cooking
28:23 together and laughing and dancing and
28:26 doing yoga and having a good old time en
28:28 chanting and it seems like they're
28:29 having a wonderful time but eventually
28:31 they take over this town in was it uh
28:34 Oregon is it Oregon right I think so I
28:36 think so um somewhere in the Pacific
28:38 Northwest I believe it was Oregon so
28:40 they take over a town and they actually
28:41 bus in homeless people so that they can
28:44 pump up their numbers and uh vote to
28:48 take over the town yeah essentially what
28:51 some people were accusing the Biden
28:53 administration of doing with uh leaving
28:55 the borders open for illegals and then
28:57 allowing them to vote same sort of deal
28:59 so they they took over this town and
29:02 they poisoned a bunch of people it's
29:03 like really crazy it's crazy documentary
29:07 and then eventually it falls apart isn't
29:09 that most Cults like that like you look
29:11 at it at from the outside you're like
29:12 wow they're barefoot walking on grass
29:14 they're eating natural stuff organic
29:16 stuff having such a good time they sing
29:17 together they're having this good time
29:19 and then then they take you into the
29:20 room yeah and they say you know what Joe
29:22 you've reached the level uh aliens live
29:24 in your butthole we got to get them out
29:27 yeah something like
29:28 something crazy it's a lot of them are
29:30 sex Cults if they're not sex Cults
29:32 they're like money Cults or power Cults
29:34 or you know or ideological Cults which I
29:37 think progressivism is I think it's an
29:39 ideological cult and I think that um
29:42 people uh they enjoy being around people
29:45 that are very confident that they're
29:47 correct yeah when someone like if most
29:50 of us like don't what is life all about
29:52 so many questions and if you come across
29:54 someone who has all the answers and
29:55 they're so confident about it it's very
29:57 attractive yeah this episode is brought
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31:01 Rogan tap the banner or visit this
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31:07 is for new customers only and I think
31:09 for people that are asking questions
31:11 what are the which may be the type of
31:12 people that are joining these Cults
31:14 they're they're questioning things in
31:15 their life yeah our brains are naturally
31:18 attracted to certainty and authority and
31:21 there's we can talk about man Authority
31:23 is what we really probably should have
31:24 talk about but we're attracted to that
31:27 and our brains the mamalian part of our
31:29 brain will simply follow somebody that
31:31 is easily
31:33 followed like what is the the clearest
31:35 signal it's not the smartest person in
31:37 the room not the best idea what's the
31:39 clearest signal that's pointing in a
31:41 direction that I can follow and our
31:43 brains will just default to once we
31:46 trust that authority figure we're
31:48 automatically going to assign good
31:49 traits to them we're going to think that
31:51 they're a good person we're a good
31:53 person because we're aligning with this
31:54 person just because they were followable
31:57 okay so it's a clear message and so
32:00 these guys who were recruiting people
32:02 for Cults were they open with you about
32:04 this stuff or did you kind of like
32:06 figure it out by talking to them I
32:09 signed a ridiculous non-disclosure
32:12 agreement with each one of them
32:13 individually the main the C ndas no no
32:16 no the the the midual the main
32:18 organization did not know I was there oh
32:20 I see I see and it was mostly they would
32:22 go around the mall they spend time
32:24 around these shopping mall areas and
32:26 talk to people yeah and it was like it
32:29 was all kind of very basic at the
32:30 beginning so Cults indoctrination is a
32:32 longer process it's not like hey let me
32:34 talk to you for five minutes and you're
32:36 like yeah yeah I'll join your Cults and
32:37 we'll worship aliens and stuff together
32:40 it's it's a long process we're like the
32:43 deviation escalation continues to
32:45 increase over time and it's the exact
32:48 same way if you're if you're programming
32:49 some Manchurian Candidate or if you're a
32:52 hypnotist and you're seeing a client you
32:53 want to get them to deviate from their
32:55 normal behaviors right to fix fix their
32:57 behavior right so it's not all bad so we
32:59 can use those same a lot of those same
33:01 techniques to help somebody instead of
33:03 hurt them that's what I started
33:05 discovering over the years and I've
33:07 studied like how to access every
33:09 loophole in the human brain and the
33:13 fastest way to do that is through
33:14 novelty and Authority number one and
33:18 there is nothing faster in the human
33:20 brain that where that'll give you that
33:22 kind of access novelty and Authority
33:25 like give me some examples of that so
33:26 let's say uh you and I are living 10,000
33:30 years ago 15,000 years ago the average
33:32 tribe of people was like 150 120 and
33:36 let's say your job and my job was to go
33:38 and collect fish in a bag and fish and
33:41 then kind of bring it back to the tribe
33:43 at the end of the day and every day we
33:45 went to the same spot it's a great spot
33:47 we walk by this bush this big ass Bush
33:50 and one day we're going back and talking
33:52 about the fish we got and you hear a
33:54 stick snap behind that bush that we
33:56 haven't heard before so it's a it's an
33:59 unexpected deviation from your mental
34:01 script of what's going to happen does
34:03 this make sense so so we're walking by
34:05 the bush the stick snaps now what's
34:07 generated in that moment is a tremendous
34:10 amount of focus like there could be a
34:12 threat it could be a rabbit that we can
34:14 eat right so a threat or a value is what
34:17 our how our brain responds to something
34:19 new and something unexpected is it a
34:21 threat is it valuable socially or
34:23 otherwise valuable so the stick breaks
34:26 we're not thinking about our kids we're
34:28 not thinking about how many fish are in
34:29 the bag we're only thinking about this
34:31 novel new thing that interrupted my
34:34 brain's script of what I thought was
34:36 going to happen Okay you with me so far
34:37 yeah so in our life when we see
34:40 something that's unexpected something
34:42 that
34:44 we I guess we we're not expecting so
34:47 we're driving a car blue lights in your
34:50 rear mirror is tremendous amount of
34:52 novelty threat value right so our brain
34:55 says this is how I my shoes this is how
34:58 I go to work this is how I run the cash
35:00 register at Starbucks whatever it is we
35:02 develop these apps in our head and when
35:04 something interrupts one of those
35:07 programs our brain automatically says
35:09 this is different this is not expected I
35:12 need all of my focus down on this one
35:14 thing okay and that's how novelty starts
35:16 to trigger our brain it makes sense so
35:18 far yes and Authority is the second
35:20 piece so what would be an example that
35:23 someone would use as like novelty to get
35:26 like novelty Authority if you want to
35:28 get someone to follow you like what
35:29 would be novelty that you would apply
35:31 give me any any scenario and I'll I'll
35:33 tell you okay you're trying to get
35:35 someone to join a call yeah so the
35:36 novelty right away is I'm going to
35:38 approach you and say something or ask
35:40 you a question that you've never been
35:41 asked before and that there's no
35:43 possible way that your brain could have
35:44 gotten ready for that scenario and it
35:45 could be something ridiculously stupid
35:48 it' be like hey did you see these guys
35:50 fighting outside like here last week or
35:52 you're walking up and you say hey I'm
35:54 going to ask you three questions but you
35:56 only have 12 seconds to answer no one's
35:58 ever said something like that okay so
35:59 you're just getting them out of their
36:00 comfort zone you're getting them in like
36:02 whoa what's going on yeah we're breaking
36:04 a pattern okay so we're we're we're all
36:06 running on patterns all the time the
36:08 moment a pattern is broken we have
36:10 tremendous Focus so focus is the first
36:12 step to hacking the mamalian brain
36:14 Authority is next and
36:17 Authority is like if you look at the
36:19 mgrm experiment have you heard of this
36:21 oh my God have you are you have you gone
36:24 deep on it not really I mean but explain
36:26 it to people so they know you're talking
36:28 about Jamie can we bring up a picture of
36:29 the Box the shocking box from this
36:32 experiment is just essentially they told
36:34 people that they had to keep shocking
36:36 people even if and then they did it to
36:38 the point where they thought the other
36:39 person on the other side was actually
36:41 dead and they kept shocking yeah and
36:43 what year was this uh 62 1962 at Yale
36:48 University um this is a variation of the
36:51 experiment but just go to the one the
36:52 third
36:53 one right there so that's uh Stanley
36:56 mgrm standing over that machine right
36:58 there so you'll notice on the bottom
37:00 right it says danger severe shock right
37:03 there yeah so you're essentially told
37:05 you going to the guy's on the other side
37:06 of a drywall wall he's in another room
37:09 but you can hear him yelling every time
37:10 you shock and every time you're asking
37:12 him these questions and he gets the
37:14 answer wrong he's like a he's acting
37:15 like a dumbass he's obviously in on the
37:17 experiment right but these people think
37:19 they're shocking this guy and in real
37:23 life man I had that in airplane mode so
37:28 in in real life this guy is just he's
37:30 running a script he's a a participant in
37:33 the experiment he's in on it but as the
37:36 person's getting shocked you hear him
37:38 scream you hear him say I want to get
37:39 out of here I don't want to do this
37:40 anymore I have a heart condition he's
37:43 banging around and then at at around 300
37:45 volts and it goes up to 450 on this
37:47 machine 300 volts no more sound he stops
37:51 answering questions and these people are
37:53 sitting there at the machine kind of
37:54 turning around this guy in the lab coat
37:55 that's running them running this
37:57 experience
37:58 and the guy in the lab coach saying well
37:59 it's important that you continue the
38:01 experiment requires that you continue
38:04 and they keep going they keep delivering
38:07 electric shocks to this guy that was
38:09 screaming before and is now silent he's
38:11 not even answering these questions on
38:12 the test anymore did everybody do it so
38:16 before the experiment started these
38:18 bunch of psychologists got together and
38:19 they said like all right who's going to
38:20 go all the way through who's going to do
38:22 everything and they thought
38:26 0.4% something like that it would have
38:28 to be a psychopath it would have to be
38:30 somebody that was malicious or wanted to
38:33 hurt people and after the experiment was
38:37 conducted 67% of people went all the
38:41 way and this is so what we're really
38:44 dealing with here is not an experiment
38:46 it's a person being talked into murder
38:50 in less than an hour a regular normal
38:53 human being talked into murder 67% of
38:56 them 6 7% and 250 volts is enough to
39:00 kill you would you agree if you have the
39:01 right amps I I don't know but I I
39:04 believe you yeah 100% went to
39:08 250 jeez 100%
39:12 so yeah so that could kill you 100% at
39:15 least attempted murder yeah and I train
39:17 sales teams all the time they're like oh
39:18 we have you know it's hard to sell this
39:20 product or this thing and uh I'm like I
39:24 showed them this thing and like where's
39:25 the sales script these guys use at
39:27 University there wasn't a script it's
39:30 not like oh let me get the perfect words
39:32 on the phone for this telemarketing
39:33 company right there's no script there's
39:35 no hypnosis there's no like NLP stuff
39:38 going on where I have to say these
39:40 little magic words and I kind of view
39:43 that aspect of persuasion like the guys
39:46 that are obsessed with sales scripts
39:48 it's like Harry Potter like there's no
39:50 magic words that are going to make
39:51 someone take action we take action based
39:53 on the Mamon brain and what was present
39:56 there at Yale University if you're the
39:57 volunteer there you respond to an ad in
39:59 the paper you've never responded to
40:01 before novelty at a university you've
40:04 never been to and a building you've
40:05 never been in with two people you've
40:07 never met in a room you've never been in
40:09 sitting in front of a machine that's
40:10 absolutely foreign to you it's alien
40:13 every single step of the way was novelty
40:16 and then the guy in the lab coat they
40:17 made him like I think he was 6'
40:21 s and he's running the experiment and we
40:24 have this stuff called White Coat
40:25 Syndrome where we respond to doctor s
40:27 mhm and there's even uh research where
40:30 people were given diagnoses and that
40:33 they for things they didn't have and
40:34 they developed the symptoms because a
40:36 doctor has told them this and that's how
40:40 powerful novelty plus Authority is is
40:44 you there people talked into murder in
40:46 under an hour and there's no magic
40:48 recipe to do it it's Authority and
40:50 Novelty and Authority has five
40:52 components if you want to just go into
40:54 them so that's confidence
40:57 obviously somebody's got to be really
40:58 confident to be an authority figure and
41:00 this is just a conviction in my belief
41:02 and a and a generalized belief in my
41:04 head that everything's going to be fine
41:06 everything's going to be okay discipline
41:08 is number two and discipline I don't say
41:12 discipline is part of authority because
41:13 like if everybody like when you were
41:16 younger you ever like go to a party and
41:18 like put a really nice suit on and all
41:19 that stuff and like you're you got a 7ot
41:22 pile of laundry back at home like [ __ ]
41:23 all over your bathroom counter like you
41:25 were not put together I I was there
41:28 but like there's a part of our brain
41:29 that reminds us that we don't have
41:30 everything together so when we go out
41:33 we're not other people aren't saying oh
41:35 this guy is not disciplined no one's
41:36 saying that but they are getting a gut
41:38 feeling that something's
41:40 off because there's something
41:42 disharmonic there's something in
41:44 congruent about our Behavior because we
41:45 know there's a part of our brain says
41:47 you know I'm faking this right now I'm
41:49 not this put
41:50 together so having discipline off camera
41:53 when nobody's looking makes gut feelings
41:56 in people is was one of those things
41:58 where're we have this ancient brain
42:00 that's judging whether or not
42:01 everything's congruent so confidence
42:03 discipline leadership and Leadership
42:06 just means if I brought you back a
42:09 thousand years could you still would
42:12 people still follow you like your
42:13 behavior is confident and certain enough
42:15 and all of that that people would follow
42:16 you not language and all that do you say
42:18 the right things and do you give people
42:20 compliments that's not what I mean is
42:22 tribal leadership from the mamalian
42:25 perspective not human so confidence
42:28 discipline leadership gratitude and
42:30 enjoyment are the final two gratitude
42:33 just not saying like I'm I'm keeping
42:35 this gratitude journal every day or
42:37 anything like that but just I'm a
42:38 grateful person and I have perspective
42:40 in gratitude so I'm I'm able to zoom out
42:44 and think of like the larger picture
42:45 when I'm thinking of gratitude not just
42:47 like oh thanks I'm thankful for my
42:48 health today but I'm thankful like we
42:50 didn't have a nuclear war yesterday we
42:52 didn't have all this stuff happen and
42:55 what the reason these things are
42:56 effective
42:57 is because they produce having them when
43:00 nobody's looking produces the precise
43:03 gut feelings in another person that make
43:05 them say that's an authority
43:08 figure so when you have authority you
43:11 can get away with anything you want and
43:13 I go to these companies I train
43:15 companies and people all over and how to
43:17 increase sales and all that and they're
43:18 all like well we have a good script
43:19 we've got this piece of paper right here
43:22 that's that's really great we spent $10
43:23 million developing the sales script I'm
43:26 like give the script script to somebody
43:28 out here with social anxiety and have
43:30 them get on the
43:32 phone they're going to they're going to
43:33 bomb it' be the worst freaking salesman
43:36 out there because they they the script
43:38 is meaningless but everybody puts so
43:41 much value in these words it's who you
43:43 are first then what you
43:45 say and and people just ignore the first
43:48 part I mean if you think of if I go off
43:51 on a small rant here I could I could
43:53 tell something a question bubbling up in
43:55 your head no goe
43:57 uh there's too many times people obsess
44:01 over symptoms instead of causes so you
44:04 go on LinkedIn or whatever it says how
44:06 to be confident here are the 15 ways to
44:08 be confident here's the 12 things that
44:10 confident people do they have great
44:11 posture they make good eye contact there
44:13 a firm handshake they use your name they
44:15 pat you on the shoulder all this kind of
44:17 [ __ ] those are symptoms of being
44:20 confident it's not
44:21 confidence so our culture today is
44:24 obsessed with symptoms of things let me
44:26 get symptoms of wealth I'm going to get
44:28 this Porsche I'm going to get this yacht
44:29 I'm going to get this plane post it all
44:30 over Instagram and show people that I
44:32 have these
44:33 symptoms so what we're really looking at
44:37 is like when I'm trying to somebody's
44:38 trying to learn sales let me teach you
44:40 the symptoms of what a good salesperson
44:42 has instead of the cause of what makes
44:44 them a good salesperson that makes sense
44:47 so in order for someone to truly be
44:51 confident they have to take all those
44:53 steps to make do you want some coffee no
44:56 actually yeah okay okay you want it in
44:57 the crazy cup or a regular one crazy cup
45:00 a little hard to drink out of is it yeah
45:01 I'll switch I don't want to dirty that
45:03 one up no don't worry about it um so
45:06 they they they have to have all those
45:09 ducks in a row if they don't people are
45:12 going to sense it they're going to know
45:14 even if they exhibit all the behavior
45:16 characteristics of someone who's
45:17 confident is going to be something off
45:19 cuz we have some way some ancient way of
45:24 un of detecting [ __ ] in ourselves
45:28 yeah we get those gut feelings yeah we
45:30 know when something's off someone's a
45:32 little full of it someone's faking it
45:34 yeah and I mean we've all had that
45:35 experience like everything looked right
45:37 on the surface anybody who's watching it
45:39 from a distance like wow that guy's
45:41 really confident but in your gut you're
45:43 like something's off well particularly
45:46 if you have all those bases covered if
45:50 you have all those bases covered I think
45:51 it makes it far easier to see in other
45:54 people when they don't yeah because I
45:57 mean if you have confidence that means
45:58 I'm living in front of my eyes right I'm
46:01 not just stuck back here the whole time
46:02 so if you're going to teach people how
46:05 to be confident essentially you have to
46:07 teach them how to get their [ __ ]
46:08 together yeah unequivocably like
46:12 undoubtedly you know undebatably like
46:15 you have to you have to have your [ __ ]
46:17 together clearly absolutely otherwise
46:20 you're not going to really be confident
46:21 you're always it's always the back of
46:22 your head it's always going to be
46:23 [ __ ] with you yeah and there's five
46:25 areas of your life that I've identify
46:27 these are not this is not some self-help
46:29 program or anything but there's five
46:31 areas of your life that create gut
46:33 feelings in other people and that's your
46:34 environment how you handle all these
46:36 things your environment your time your
46:38 appearance your social skills and your
46:39 financial life it's like if I've got
46:42 unpaid bills I've got creditors knocking
46:44 on my door all the time and then I go
46:45 out and try to look like I've got my
46:47 [ __ ] together I'm going to send those
46:49 signals that something's not right to
46:51 people that are aware not to people that
46:53 are willing to join Cults right correct
46:57 that's the problem is that there's not
46:59 really an operating manual for life or
47:02 for the human mind and we're dealing
47:05 with these very complicated systems
47:09 complicated systems of work and social
47:11 life and and hobbies and all the
47:13 different things that people do it's
47:15 very very complicated and a lot of
47:17 people are just kind of like stumbling
47:19 through it learning along the way
47:22 hopefully every time they [ __ ] up yeah
47:25 yeah so and a lot of that is the even
47:28 with these cult recruiters these people
47:31 have an unconscious knack to spot
47:33 suggestible
47:35 people so your level of suggestibility
47:38 is how much will you think a person's an
47:40 authority figure even if they're faking
47:41 confidence that's basically what that is
47:43 will you accept a suggestion and act on
47:45 it and we've got guys like seiran seiran
47:49 uh who killed RFK uh in San Francisco
47:53 this 60s I think it's Los Angeles I
47:57 think it was San Francisco I think it's
47:58 Los Angeles because I was at the actual
48:01 uh hotel where they did it actually
48:03 filmed Fear Factory there okay see if
48:05 that's true I don't doubt you at all I'm
48:07 pretty sure pretty sure it was Los
48:08 Angeles and there's also some debate as
48:10 to whether or not he did it oh I did a
48:12 whole video on this on my channel yeah
48:15 what did it I don't know enough about it
48:17 but I know that there's some people that
48:19 you know obviously there's some people
48:20 that think that like JFK's driver shot
48:22 him there's some like C cooky
48:25 conspiracies yeah and Ambassador Hotel
48:27 in Los Angeles shortly after K had
48:29 finished yeah um that hotel we filmed
48:31 Fear Factor there once that's the only
48:33 reason why I know and we were in the
48:35 kitchen where like sir it happened in
48:37 the kitchen yeah we were in the spot
48:39 like this is crazy that we could film
48:40 this stupid [ __ ] show in a place
48:42 where presidential candidate got
48:44 murdered yeah was was that the reason
48:46 they filmed there um I think a lot of
48:50 stuff filmed in that hotel I think the
48:52 hotel had been defunct and a lot of um
48:56 the there's like abandoned buildings and
48:58 things in Los Angeles that they use for
49:00 filming stuff okay because there's a big
49:02 filming industry like they film films
49:04 and TV shows and stuff there if they
49:06 it's like a cool environment and it was
49:08 like spooky rundown old hotel I don't
49:11 even remember the show the episode but I
49:13 just remember us being in that that room
49:16 going a weird feeling yeah so the Siran
49:19 San thing is like that people believe
49:22 that's part of MK Ultra that he was some
49:24 sort of Mind controlled person I do yeah
49:28 and I I mean I may be the number one guy
49:30 in the country on the mind control stuff
49:32 I think I probably am and I definitely
49:36 believe that was influenced by a guy
49:38 named Dr joyn West Jolly West yeah yeah
49:43 yeah um so and it's not about skill at
49:47 at something like if you're doing
49:48 something like this it's not much about
49:51 skill level it's can you find a good
49:52 Target that's highly suggestable and
49:55 almost you have some basic skills in
49:57 this I give you like three or four days
49:59 worth of training in how to do covert
50:02 hypnosis and all of this other stuff and
50:04 how to create Amnesia in a person so
50:06 where you can just uh tell them to
50:09 forget something and they'll and they'll
50:11 willingly forget
50:12 it it's I could train you in three days
50:15 how to do something like that it's
50:18 terrifying how our brains do not have a
50:20 firewall and the moment that our
50:22 conscious filter that filters like is
50:25 this information good for me should I
50:27 accept this information if if I can
50:29 bypass that filter which is very easy to
50:31 do you can kind of just Jam in whatever
50:34 you want into somebody's head and so
50:36 what evidence do we have that Sirhan
50:38 Sirhan was working with jolly West
50:41 there's not a lot it's a lot of
50:42 anecdotal stuff but he met with this guy
50:45 regularly and I'm not an expert on the
50:47 case I wouldn't I wouldn't consider
50:48 myself an expert but he met with this
50:51 guy at the shooting range on a regular
50:53 basis and this guy would talk to him
50:57 privately whisper in his ear in the
50:59 shooting range we all know this is this
51:00 is from testimony and later when he was
51:04 arrested after the shooting happened he
51:06 said I thought I was at the shooting
51:08 range I thought I was shooting at a
51:09 Target at a paper Target and he on
51:12 record saying this and he has no memory
51:15 of that actual event happening to this
51:17 day he went up for parole I think a year
51:19 or two ago and man all they did was ask
51:23 him to kind of admit what you did and
51:25 just say what you did and he said I
51:27 still have no memory of this event he
51:28 had to stay in prison and RFK believes
51:31 it
51:33 too wow and you've had RFK on uhhuh um
51:37 so sir han sirh han is meeting with this
51:40 guy who is this guy nobody really knows
51:44 nobody fully knows but the guy was
51:46 involved and connected to joyon and they
51:50 called him radio man that's the only
51:53 name that that people have used to
51:55 identify this guy
51:57 he met siron out of range and expressed
51:59 like we're both interested in shortwave
52:01 radio stuff and all that kind of ham
52:03 radio and they connected over that
52:06 initially and then this guy somehow
52:09 looped him into the situation he was in
52:12 so the MK Ultra stuff um a lot of it was
52:16 experimental right they didn't
52:19 necessarily have proof that a lot of
52:22 what they were trying to do was
52:24 effective they knew that they could
52:26 experiment with LSD on people that was
52:29 Operation midnight climax where they
52:31 took over the brothel which is so wild
52:33 for people that don't know what this is
52:34 they took over brothel and they
52:37 essentially had the prostitutes serve
52:40 these John's LSD without their knowledge
52:42 and then they observed them through
52:43 two-way mirrors unb and filmed them yeah
52:47 it filmed how they would act yeah so the
52:49 CIA was running hor houses I don't even
52:51 know if they they had sex cuz they
52:53 probably dose these guys up with so much
52:54 acid they probably didn't want to but
52:57 they observed them and they did it for
53:00 years they also ran the um ha Ashbury
53:02 free clinic which is wild and um
53:07 until like I think fairly recently and
53:10 there was a lot of hubub about it after
53:12 Tom O'Neal's book chaos came out and I
53:14 think it's right after that they closed
53:16 the hate ashbry free clinic yeah but the
53:19 CIA was essentially a part of the hate
53:22 ashberry free clinic in the 1960s and
53:25 that's where the Manson family came out
53:28 of yeah and I there's a lot of people I
53:31 don't I'm not a researcher on this topic
53:32 I'm a researcher on the techniques yeah
53:35 um but there's guys like uh Sydney gotle
53:39 was crazy he was in he was running the
53:41 CIA it was called OSS back then office
53:44 of special services and it was crazy
53:48 they called him a cowboy but they
53:50 brought in all this LSD there was a uh
53:52 in Canada uh they were running I think
53:55 this was man I think it was in Montreal
53:57 I'm not no it was in
53:59 Toronto um mon talk Institute is that
54:02 right uh where they they were doing
54:04 things called psychic driving they would
54:06 keep people awake and and it was like
54:09 Clockwork Orange and they they would
54:11 hold their eyes open and just play these
54:13 videos to kind of like entrain them and
54:16 and really just drive their brains and
54:19 these were people that checked into the
54:21 hospital with like postpartum
54:23 depression and they started doing this
54:25 [ __ ] on them they just started
54:26 experimenting on them yeah and it I mean
54:28 the Canadian government admitted it so
54:30 much that they paid these people for
54:32 damages so uh just one woman's case that
54:35 I can remember I don't remember her name
54:37 but she went in for postpartum I think
54:39 and she she did the psychic driving when
54:41 she came out she had no real memories
54:43 anymore she wet herself she had to
54:46 relearn how to walk and communicate
54:48 socially uh she had to relearn how to
54:50 hold her pee in how long was she there
54:52 for I think it was like a month and a
54:54 half
54:58 unbelievable but I think back then they
55:01 were trying to find a bunch of different
55:04 methods of Mind Control right like
55:06 there's a very famous video from the
55:07 1950s of uh soldiers in the UK where
55:11 they dose them up with acid and you see
55:12 them wandering around the woods laughing
55:14 and giggling falling down and we had
55:17 just got those the videos from the the
55:19 Korean War where the the Korean
55:21 prisoners were making these videos like
55:23 I realize now that America is a horrible
55:25 country I I renounce everything I hate
55:28 America this these are all the bad
55:30 things they've done and the the guys in
55:32 the United States are watching this [ __ ]
55:33 going holy [ __ ] they've got some secret
55:36 technology and we're behind so it was
55:38 like a psychological arms
55:40 race they just went berserk on this
55:44 stuff so they they figured out or they
55:47 figured that there's some kind of secret
55:48 chemical or secret technique or recipe
55:50 that these people are using that we
55:51 haven't figured out yet and it was it
55:53 was a mad house rap to figure out what
55:57 was going on with these prisoners in
55:58 North Korea what was going on what were
56:01 they doing to the prisoners depriving
56:03 them of sleep it was super basic stuff
56:05 they were depriving him of sleep
56:06 treating them really well this this
56:08 they're using these interrogation
56:09 techniques that were developed by this
56:11 German guy named Hans sharf and every
56:14 interrogation system nowadays that's
56:16 taught is a is a derivative of Hans
56:18 scharf's work and funny enough he's the
56:21 most famous interrogator in history and
56:23 he was like the first guy that said Hey
56:25 what if we're not [ __ ]
56:27 what if we're not just total [ __ ] of
56:29 these people and take them out on walks
56:31 maybe give them a sandwich every once in
56:32 a while and the whole time pretend like
56:35 we every piece of intelligence they give
56:36 us we pretend like we already knew it
56:38 and that was kind of his his premise
56:40 like let's not be a dick and he he got
56:43 famous for that so everything is based
56:45 on his work now and funny enough you
56:48 ever been to Disneyland sure you you
56:50 know the huge Mosaic that you walk
56:51 through it's a huge like tile mosaic
56:54 thing at the very entrance of of Disney
56:56 Lane I don't recall it probably wasn't
56:59 paying attention Han sharf made that oh
57:01 really by hand yeah whoa weird how much
57:05 time did that take I don't know how big
57:06 is this thing it's huge see if you can
57:08 find it Jamie how big is it he made it
57:11 by hand on
57:13 acid had to be that thing wow left a
57:17 permanent mark on Disney a former Nazi
57:21 interrogator [ __ ] like as if Disney
57:24 doesn't have enough problems with with
57:26 uh Walt Disney being linked to
57:28 anti-Semitism the fact that they
57:30 actually have a Nazi artist if there was
57:33 a competition where I said Joe I'll give
57:35 me a million dollars if you can figure
57:37 out what this Nazi interrogator did on
57:39 the side not come up with that that's
57:42 crazy and it's almost bizarre B yeah
57:45 it's like a
57:48 DMT kind of visual going on well that's
57:52 just weird in and of itself that he was
57:54 working with these people like how was
57:56 Walt Disney connected to that guy no
57:58 idea um no clue that's not good that
58:03 doesn't do a lot to quell the
58:05 rumors you know yeah
58:08 so I think it was paperclip so these so
58:11 oh operation paper CLI so these people
58:13 that are attemp is it is there
58:17 documentation that shows the
58:19 effectiveness of certain techniques like
58:22 do we have any of their work like the
58:25 Jolly West does did he publish anything
58:28 or did he make re like leave behind
58:31 documents explaining what worked and
58:33 what didn't work yeah some uh but you
58:36 know this guy named uh I don't remember
58:38 his first name Church got really pissed
58:40 off about all the CIA stuff and the
58:42 church Comm Church committee he said
58:43 we're going to get it all and then the
58:44 CIA launched a destruction order and
58:46 said we need to destroy it was like
58:48 Enron at the CIA then papers getting
58:51 shredded and all this stuff everywhere
58:53 and some of the documents survived the
58:55 destruction
58:57 because they were in a dude's
58:59 attic yeah this guy's name he was a
59:02 professor in New York at Colgate
59:04 University and his name was Dr George
59:06 EST Brooks and not many people talk
59:08 about him uh but he was big into it him
59:11 and Edgar Hoover had a plan to hypnotize
59:15 a German submarine Captain split his
59:18 personality which is not hard to do um
59:21 and send him back home and have him
59:24 torpedo his entire fleet inside of his
59:26 own
59:28 Harbor um and I have all of those
59:32 documents so these professors and these
59:35 scientists were working with the CIA
59:38 while they were developing MK Ultra so
59:40 they probably thought they were doing it
59:41 for national security purposes yeah and
59:45 so they were probably saying look North
59:47 Korea is doing this Germany's doing all
59:50 these countries are doing this we need
59:51 to do this as well yeah I mean they were
59:53 at the at the bottom of maso's pyramid
59:55 you'll do anything like our country is
59:57 going to go down did you read chaos the
59:59 Tom O'Neal book no it's about the Manson
60:02 family how they did it with the Manson
60:03 family it's essentially I mean he he
60:05 lays out a very compelling uh case for
60:09 the CIA not only training Manson but
60:13 supplying him with LSD and then getting
60:15 him out of jail every time he got caught
60:18 and that it was done to change the
60:21 perception of the anti-war movement like
60:24 the hippies were Peace Love and
60:26 psychedelic music and you know people
60:28 were dropping out of society and instead
60:31 The Narrative now became no they're
60:34 murderers and Psychopaths and they're
60:36 going to kill beautiful actresses and
60:38 people in Hollywood so they thought he
60:40 would be like the vaccine for Timothy
60:41 lry and and all the people yes yeah yeah
60:45 it's a good way to put it yeah that um
60:47 they took this guy who was a con man and
60:50 had sort of a a proclivity towards you
60:53 know influencing people and being
60:55 charismatic and you ever heard his music
60:57 no I didn't know he did music yeah he
60:59 made he he actually recorded with uh
61:02 Brian Wilson of The Beach Boys and um I
61:07 think Brian Wilson and him there was
61:08 like a real problem because his career
61:11 didn't take off and like he threatened
61:13 him it became very like very problematic
61:17 his relationship with Brian Wilson but
61:19 you could there's a so you can find the
61:20 song you listen to it a little bit the
61:23 man can we play this does someone own
61:25 this how's work that was something I've
61:27 hadn't we hadn't talked guns and roses
61:29 covered one of his songs did you know
61:30 that oh yeah yeah we talked about that I
61:32 think we did yeah yeah um but he
61:35 recorded some songs and you know they're
61:38 not that
61:43 bad is that him
61:50 singing think you're loving baby and all
61:54 you're doing is crying
61:56 that's not bad it's not bad yeah it's
61:58 decent it's not bad it's like it's an
62:00 okay shitty song from the 60s yeah you
62:03 know it's not something you want to put
62:05 on your Spotify playlist but it's it's
62:07 not bad it's better than a third of guys
62:10 that play at the bar or something yeah
62:12 yeah it's better than a third of the
62:13 guys on Sixth Street in Austin
62:17 Texas it's not bad I mean he was a
62:20 charismatic person right and that's what
62:22 you need to run a cult and that's what
62:23 you need to be a good rock star and a
62:25 lot of
62:26 yeah and he apparently wouldn't take
62:28 them he would give them to people and
62:30 pretend to take them and then he would
62:31 use these methods to manipulate them
62:33 while they're under so like he's sober
62:36 and he's going through this CIA textbook
62:39 of how to manipulate and control these
62:42 people then he gets these people like
62:43 Tex Watson and you know Squeaky from and
62:46 all these [ __ ] Psychopaths and he
62:50 through this sort of indoctrination and
62:53 bringing them into the family and you
62:55 know they're staying with him for and
62:57 then he's committing murders and crimes
62:59 and and he keeps getting out he gets
63:01 arrested and they let him out and the
63:04 sheriffs that let him out they all have
63:05 the same explanation I was told it's
63:07 above my pay grade and they just let him
63:09 out so the guy's violating parole and
63:11 he's getting out like multiple times my
63:14 God it's very comp yeah and there's a
63:16 real
63:18 compelling case for Jolly West first of
63:21 all there's anecdotal of it J Jolly West
63:23 visited him in jail um and they think
63:26 that that's when it all
63:28 started wow yeah I doubt make sense
63:32 because like that's a really successful
63:34 cult like as far as like uh the
63:37 historical footprint you know like
63:39 everybody knows about the Manson family
63:41 I mean like that worked that scared the
63:43 [ __ ] out of everybody it was weird like
63:45 oh my God what if your children joined
63:46 the Manson family oh my God my kids are
63:48 vulnerable what if they want to be peace
63:50 love and flower children they get
63:51 wrapped up in the family and that's it
63:55 just sort of Chang the tone in
63:57 society um with people and it was also
64:00 at the same time when they passed that
64:02 sweeping schedule one psychedelics act
64:04 where they made everything illegal it's
64:05 all around the same time and art goes to
64:07 zero yeah art goes all art into the
64:09 toilet starts disappearing architecture
64:12 a lot of things went South yeah car
64:15 design but the um the fact that there's
64:19 real compelling evidence that this was
64:21 the government and that this is the
64:22 government's response to this immense
64:24 cultural change that took place between
64:26 1950 and 1960 and it's not like just
64:29 guessing it's like there's real programs
64:32 that they were involved in that were
64:34 absolutely doing that kind of work 100%
64:37 yeah and that's really crazy to think of
64:40 and I and it's it gets deeper like there
64:44 there are step-by-step programs they
64:45 have for creating a meruan candidate
64:48 okay like what's step one how do you
64:49 know when you can get a guy to be a
64:51 manaryan candate can you do anybody or
64:53 do you have to get a vulnerable guy do
64:55 you get
64:56 family I think some of this could be
64:58 misused but let me well I don't know if
65:00 you know about grock but grock's out
65:03 there misusing information so all right
65:05 yeah I'll just put it out there you can
65:06 get anything from that so like you're a
65:08 very social guy okay and you've got
65:10 lines in your forehead here from raising
65:13 your eyebrows a lot there's people that
65:14 are your age that are not very socially
65:16 connected to people that have smooth
65:18 foreheads oh interesting so if you're
65:20 smiling a lot your whole life you're
65:22 going to develop these little crows feet
65:23 and you'll do it by the age of 19 if
65:25 you're a social happy person you'll see
65:27 the crows feet you're angry all the time
65:29 you're going to see this little muscle
65:30 right here the globella I got start to
65:33 yeah but your yeah yours is not that
65:35 pronounced but whatever emotion we
65:38 experience on a very very regular basis
65:40 etes itself onto the face as a rule of
65:43 thumb saying that this is science is
65:45 it's not this is my observation there's
65:47 no study that I can send you but we can
65:52 see that I mean you can see somebody
65:53 who's lived a super happy life you they
65:55 have these little smile lines around
65:56 their eyes somebody who's raising their
65:58 eyebrows a lot this is our social our
66:00 forehead is a social billboard right so
66:02 you're going to see those lines start
66:03 coming on the face but what if I told
66:05 you to make a skeptical facial
66:09 expression what would you do if you ask
66:12 me to be skeptical yeah this is my
66:13 skeptical
66:14 pH okay so like somebody's trying to
66:16 feed you something most people will kind
66:18 of these lower eyelids are going to
66:20 tighten up it was the first I might do
66:22 that too I might do that so you're like
66:24 uh most of the time though I'm like what
66:26 yeah it's my what [ __ ] face what [ __ ]
66:28 yeah
66:31 what if I have somebody who's been who
66:34 is not skeptical ever in their life they
66:37 have the smoothest lower eyelids in the
66:40 world huh so to test this out and this
66:42 is not this is anecdotal okay but I gave
66:45 it to Five Guys who are stage hypnotists
66:48 they're out of these comedy clubs every
66:51 night knocking people out and all that
66:53 stuff and I told them test this Theory
66:55 over the course of 5 years they all said
66:57 it's 100% accurate cuz you know like
66:59 bring they bring people up and some guy
67:01 doesn't go all the way in his hands are
67:02 stuck together he's like all right sir
67:04 thanks thanks for coming go back to your
67:05 seat we should explain what we're
67:06 talking about there's um comedy
67:09 hypnotists and um if you don't know and
67:12 if you haven't seen it you would think
67:13 it's [ __ ] but uh I was very
67:15 fortunate when I was 21 when I worked in
67:18 Boston there was a guy who's really good
67:19 at it he was an actual hypnotist name
67:21 was Frank Santos and he did this show
67:23 this comedy hypnotism show I think it
67:25 was every month Monday night at uh
67:26 Stitch's comedy club and it was insane
67:28 he would have people go on stage they
67:30 thought they were having sex with
67:31 Madonna they thought they were in a robo
67:33 like and the robo was going to tip over
67:35 it was then they had a dance you know
67:37 they that a dance and if they they
67:39 danced the best they they thought they
67:40 were going to win a million dollar and
67:42 it was weird it was weird to watch
67:44 because and he could tell when someone
67:46 was under and someone wasn't under and
67:49 it was weird it was weird to watch
67:51 because he it was I never believed in
67:54 that I was like well I guess you have to
67:56 be a dope like maybe you just have to be
67:58 a dope and that's the kind of people
67:59 that he picks he just finds the dumb
68:01 people but a lot of the people I talk to
68:02 afterwards I was like what happened and
68:04 they're like I don't know it's just like
68:06 he's snapping his fingers and next thing
68:08 you know I'm [ __ ] dancing the weird
68:10 thing yeah weirdest thing I've ever
68:11 experienced in my life so I'm a
68:13 hypnotist uh certified hypnotist and uh
68:17 I've learned it just because of my brain
68:18 Obsession and I didn't believe in it
68:20 either I had I had zero belief that it
68:23 was real and I went to my first comedy
68:25 hypnosis a show like 5 years ago this
68:26 guy's name is Rich guzzy and it's a it's
68:30 real like I saw this I'm like oh my God
68:33 these people aren't just like per
68:34 definitely real and so if um damn what
68:38 were we talking about um hypnosis yeah
68:42 um we were talking about so the
68:44 suggestible yeah suggestible people like
68:47 how do you pick someone to be a Manan
68:49 candidate can you pick anybody or does
68:52 it have to be a person that has like
68:54 something off about them they would I
68:57 don't think they have to have something
68:58 that's off you can pick a totally
68:59 healthy person that's very highly
69:02 suggestible so I have a a TV show coming
69:05 out that's fiction fiction and the bad
69:09 guy in the book gets access to some of
69:11 these techniques and he doesn't know how
69:13 to they're not working so he goes to
69:16 these comedy hypnosis shows and he just
69:18 picks people that were called up on
69:20 stage cuz he and he wrecks their lives
69:23 pre- select wrecks yeah so someone else
69:26 to figure
69:27 out so and those people are highly
69:30 suggest and they're always more open to
69:32 fun they're always better you know they
69:34 live in front of their eyes a lot more
69:36 and so suggestibility doesn't mean
69:38 stupid it means that you're just more
69:39 open to the things that are around you
69:42 and they're typically happier people
69:44 more suggestible people are typically
69:45 happier people that's interesting
69:48 because they're just blissfully
69:50 unaware yeah I mean it depends on if
69:52 they're suggestible and addicted to like
69:56 Instagram horrifying stuff on Instagram
69:58 and they're watching that all the time
70:00 oh so they can get programmed easily for
70:02 all these things so this guy George eser
70:04 Brooks makes this formula to split the
70:07 personality of an army officer and they
70:09 called him uh
70:11 Smith and they're going to split this
70:14 guy give his alter ego a bunch of
70:16 secrets to take across Enemy Lines and
70:19 then deliver these secrets that that are
70:21 in his head to this person that's on the
70:24 other side of this thing
70:25 and in this paper it's a hypothetical
70:27 it's written as a hypothetical so they
70:30 they're going to split this
70:33 guy with the goal being he gets captured
70:36 somebody tortures him and put a drill on
70:38 his knee or something this other
70:40 personality won't come out because
70:41 there's a there's a secret word and an
70:44 anchor like they'll squeeze his arm and
70:46 say Moonlight or something like that and
70:48 it'll turn this other guy on is that
70:49 really possible to have like a partition
70:52 in your brain where you keep other
70:53 memories absolutely really
70:56 yeah it's not a partition I mean there's
70:59 no physical modification of course is
71:01 happening but I mean like a partition
71:03 like there's something there's another
71:05 you in there yeah and I I'll tell you
71:07 something scary when it comes to
71:08 multiple personality stuff if uh a
71:12 suggest a slightly suggestible not even
71:14 high slightly suggestible person goes to
71:16 a psychiatrist and let's say I wanted to
71:19 split somebody I could make up a piece
71:21 of paper that's got 10 questions on it
71:23 it's like do you ever feel like you're
71:25 at at war with yourself like one person
71:27 wants to eat cake and the other one
71:28 wants to eat broccoli that's 100 that's
71:31 everybody right and then the next one is
71:34 do you ever feel like you're arguing
71:36 with yourself about whether or not you
71:37 should relax or worry about something
71:39 that's everybody but it has a lot of
71:41 these questions that talked about you
71:43 having different parts and then the
71:45 psychiatrist takes this exam and he says
71:47 you know what I'm looking looking at all
71:49 these numbers and you scored in the 99th
71:52 percentile from multiple personality
71:54 disorder have you ever felt like you're
71:56 at war with a part of yourself that's
71:58 everybody but now he says like well what
72:01 what does that part want if I could just
72:03 talk to that part directly so now he
72:05 starts having a conversation with this
72:06 part and now then he says well it's not
72:09 really nice for us to do that why don't
72:10 we make a name for this
72:13 part they're almost done that's almost
72:16 the full creation so that's called
72:19 they've researched this in the' 70s
72:20 called iatrogenic creation of
72:23 dissociative identities so if they
72:25 wanted to do this and create a
72:26 Manchurian Candidate there there has to
72:29 be like some proof that this is
72:32 effective right so how would they how
72:34 would they before they send someone out
72:36 to do some assassination or something
72:39 how would they know that they got this
72:40 guy on the program well they tested with
72:43 hundreds of people first and they they
72:45 would all use colors so like Mrs White
72:48 was a subject or Mrs red whatever and
72:50 they would hypnotize a woman while while
72:53 she's and then you know split all this
72:56 personality stuff and develop that
72:58 partition and then with her eyes open in
73:00 one personality she Witnesses a what she
73:04 thinks is a real bomb getting put into a
73:07 briefcase with a little timer thing on
73:09 it like an old movie Dynamite thing
73:11 you'd see in a cartoon or something like
73:13 put into a briefcase zip that thing up
73:16 and she's holding it and they're telling
73:18 her it's going to explode and then they
73:19 change her personality to the other one
73:21 and she's on heart rate monitors and all
73:23 this other stuff and they they and this
73:25 this is a CIA document they released and
73:27 she's called Mrs White in in this
73:29 document there's many many more but the
73:32 other personality's job is to not look
73:34 in the briefcase CU that personality
73:36 doesn't know what's in it and sit in
73:38 this waiting room with this briefcase
73:40 beside you heart rate doesn't go
73:44 up and then another time they give
73:46 somebody what they watch a gun being
73:48 loaded they split the personality and
73:50 like do some kind of slide of hand to
73:52 unload the firearm and then they're told
73:54 to like pull this firearm out and go
73:56 shoot this person in the face and when
73:58 the trigger is given to you like a guy
74:01 tapping his pencil or something and they
74:03 do it and this is just hypnosis that
74:05 caused them they're not using any
74:07 psychedelic drugs or psychotropic
74:09 medicine or you don't need it nothing
74:11 yeah wow it's so it's it's easier than
74:15 you think for some people right High
74:18 Authority on one end from of the person
74:21 doing the program and high
74:22 suggestibility on the other then your
74:24 skill don't need to be that good you
74:26 don't need to manufacture suggestibility
74:28 if you if they say here's this guy I
74:30 need to split this guy and he's not very
74:31 suggestible then your skills have to be
74:33 high but if I have high suggestibility
74:35 in the Target high Authority in the
74:37 person doing the programming I have
74:39 ultimate results and it's not just this
74:42 if I'm if I'm a psychiatrist and I have
74:44 high Authority and I have a highly
74:46 suggestible client I can I can change
74:48 their life for the better with the exact
74:50 same things so it's not just manuri and
74:53 stuff it's it's anybody trying to change
74:56 another person needs that level of
74:58 authority and I need to my goal as a
75:00 doctor psychiatrist coach whatever is to
75:03 raise that person's suggestibility so
75:04 that my suggestions can change their
75:06 life will you then let them be aware of
75:10 what you did and how you did it and what
75:11 the pathway
75:13 is uh if it's if I'm helping someone
75:15 yeah absolutely yeah that's got to be a
75:18 mind [ __ ] for them you know Roy Jones
75:21 Junior the boxer of course yeah he's a
75:23 friend of mine oh I love that dude yeah
75:25 me too um and man he's been through a
75:28 rough year I don't know if you've heard
75:30 or anything he's been through a lot this
75:31 year what what happened he lost his son
75:34 oh I didn't know that at all I think he
75:35 I think he was 21 um oh that's terrible
75:39 but Roy called me one day I went down
75:41 there to train Roy at Roy's house and he
75:44 calls me one day and he's like hey man
75:46 can you do this split personality thing
75:48 on a fighter and I like oh yeah and as
75:50 I'm telling him yeah I was like I've
75:52 never done this I didn't know if I could
75:54 but I was like yeah I I'll get it done
75:57 he's like I've got this guy going into a
75:58 fight uh in two days it's in Vegas can
76:00 you fly out and and do do your work on
76:03 this guy so I essentially give him an
76:06 alter ego but it's not like created
76:09 through massive trauma or anything like
76:11 that it's kind of a fabricated we use a
76:13 little bit of like u a little bit of
76:15 simulated trauma to make this thing
76:17 happen the dissociation part to where it
76:19 kind of separate from
76:21 myself and this guy had like the best
76:24 fight of his life and this alter Alter
76:26 Ego you can ask Roy I told him not to
76:29 get gassed out to where you're not going
76:30 to get gassed out or run out of air it's
76:34 like you're going to always feel like
76:35 you're satiated even if you're not
76:36 you're going to stay up and keep going
76:39 and the second is you're not going to
76:40 feel any pain and you're going to be
76:41 pure aggression and strategy and all
76:44 this Roy gave me this list of stuff so
76:46 this guy this a young fighter he's like
76:48 28 I programmed him it took me four 48
76:51 hours total um not with him but like two
76:55 days over the course of two days I
76:56 programmed him and then he goes up
76:58 what's the thing where that they take a
76:59 picture looking at each other whatever
77:01 that's called yeah so they go they go to
77:04 do that and his wife is off camera and
77:08 somehow this being near the opponent
77:10 turned on this
77:12 thing and he just looks over at his wife
77:16 like just a like a a glance at his wife
77:19 and she picked their kid up like there
77:21 was a a murderer in their house and they
77:25 moved to another hotel temporarily she's
77:27 like that's not my husband but we we fix
77:30 it to where we can turn it on and off
77:31 anytime but it scared her because it's
77:34 like that little alter part of that guy
77:36 came on and looked at his wife and she
77:40 did not recognize you know Roy Jones Jr
77:42 had an alter ego really yeah he didn't
77:45 tell me about that call himself RJ he
77:47 had Roy Jones oh yeah and then RJ
77:50 RJ is when there's real problems when
77:53 when when RJ out you got real problems
77:56 yeah and when he fought Montel Griffin
77:59 you know he had his first fight with
78:00 Montel Griffin and Montel won by
78:02 disqualification do you know that
78:05 fight no uh so um I'm something happened
78:10 I think it was a late Punch or something
78:13 happened he might have uh been swinging
78:15 when he went down and he hit him while
78:17 he was going down or while he was down
78:18 already I don't remember exactly what
78:20 happened but I remember it was a
78:22 disqualification and then Roy Jones like
78:25 RJ's coming out wow and then in the
78:28 second fight it was just an obliteration
78:30 he just destroyed them quickly yeah and
78:32 when you would see Roy Jones you know
78:35 like in
78:36 his very best he was like first of all
78:41 he's probably the fastest super
78:45 middleweight in the history of sport and
78:46 even light heavyweight he was so fast it
78:49 didn't even make sense he there's some
78:51 onews that he threw that you watch to
78:54 this day and you swear they're sped up
78:56 yeah he like no one moves that fast he
78:58 didn't even have a jab he would throw a
79:01 left hook off the lead hand he did
79:03 everything different he [ __ ] everybody
79:05 up because you didn't know what to do
79:07 with it yeah everything was off it was
79:10 just different and he can move faster
79:11 than everybody yeah but I remember him
79:15 showing me because I'm ignorant about
79:16 the the fighting world and all that but
79:18 he showed me how those punches look from
79:20 a receiving end those like that one two
79:23 and then a couple more after that it was
79:25 terrifying oh yeah they're horrifying
79:26 you can't move quick enough you know
79:28 like you're it's done especially if you
79:29 don't know what's happening like if your
79:32 your mind has to your body has to be
79:35 conditioned to movements like you see a
79:37 movement you react you know like if he's
79:40 doing this a punch is coming that way
79:42 I'm turning this way I'm turning that
79:44 way if something's coming that way if he
79:45 throws the left the right is coming
79:46 behind it I'm ducking under if you don't
79:49 know what those patterns are and and
79:52 then even if you do Roy move so fast it
79:56 would [ __ ] up your whole understanding
79:59 of distance and timing everything would
80:00 be off he is yeah he was special sense
80:05 so much sense I I say in his prime he
80:07 was like Unstoppable he was it was like
80:10 every fight was an execution he played a
80:11 [ __ ] full basketball game one day and
80:13 then defended his title played a
80:16 basketball game and then after the
80:17 basketball game running around on the
80:18 court played played well and then
80:21 defended his title just because it was
80:23 like he was having fun he was playing
80:24 with his food yeah he's a machine he
80:27 truly a so good and one of the one of
80:29 the nicest people uh I've ever met great
80:33 guy such a good guy great guy great guy
80:34 great commentator as well he very good
80:36 at boxing commentary but um yeah he had
80:39 a split personality do you know the Mike
80:40 Tyson story no so Mike Tyson when he was
80:43 13 so Mike Tyson had a terrible
80:46 childhood you know bed for stent in
80:49 Brooklyn it was just like horrible
80:51 neighborhood crime and you know in and
80:54 out of detention centers he gets adopted
80:56 when he's 13 by this guy custado who's
80:59 one of the greatest trainers of all time
81:01 but also a
81:02 hypnotist so custom model starts
81:05 hypnotizing Mike Tyson when he's 13
81:07 years old oh my gosh and when he tell
81:09 talks him about fighting he's like you
81:11 don't exist only the task so all of the
81:16 things like what maybe I'm not good
81:17 enough maybe I'm not maybe I'm this
81:19 maybe I'm that maybe I'm a fraud maybe
81:21 you don't exist it's only only the task
81:26 and you are going to be the greatest
81:27 heavyweight champion of all time that
81:30 such a great and if cus didn't die he
81:33 Pro I mean he had an unbelievable
81:36 spectacular career but you can tell the
81:38 difference when cus is gone he doesn't
81:40 have that Mentor anymore he doesn't have
81:42 that leadership and eventually it kind
81:43 of falls apart for him you know he wins
81:46 the title when C had already been dead
81:49 but then defends the title just he was
81:52 just Unstoppable he was so much better
81:53 than everybody else but
81:55 slowly but surely up until the Buster
81:58 Douglas fight you see like this
82:00 deterioration of his discipline and he's
82:03 sort of just resting on his Laurels and
82:05 fear everyone was so terrified of him by
82:07 the time they got into the ring they
82:09 were already beaten yeah you'd see the
82:10 look in their eye when he was staring at
82:12 you they would be like a [ __ ] and
82:15 so if cus was still alive like who knows
82:19 what he would have accomplished who
82:20 knows he probably would have never lost
82:23 if cus stayed alive if cus was like
82:25 slightly younger and was able to make it
82:27 with him deep into his career who knows
82:29 yeah but hypnotized him when he was 13
82:33 and that's early I mean you're still
82:34 getting your for your formative identity
82:36 and beliefs about the world also you all
82:39 of a sudden have love in your life all
82:41 of a sudden you have respect all of a
82:42 sudden you have people who appreciate
82:44 you for what you do and so you really
82:46 like dig into this thing so Jim Jacobs
82:49 was his manager and Jim Jacobs is also
82:51 an archist archist he he has the
82:55 greatest Archive of boxing films in the
82:58 world Es at the time so he's got all the
83:01 old Fighters Stanley ketchel and Jack
83:04 Johnson and Jack Dempsey and so Mike
83:07 Tyson when he's not training is watching
83:10 the greatest boxers of all time on film
83:14 which nobody has access to most boxers
83:16 you are as good as the gym you train in
83:18 you know if you're training in a gym
83:19 with Tommy Hearns like damn he is so
83:21 good and you learn by being around him
83:23 and you see what he does
83:28 it's top
83:30 down
83:31 always [ __ ] assassins at the very top
83:35 world champions top of the food chain
83:37 guys and everybody else sort of like
83:39 follows their beat and you absorb well
83:41 Mike Dyson was absorbing from everybody
83:43 he was absorbing from Joe Lewis and
83:45 sugaray Robinson he was watching
83:47 Everybody Archie Moore he was watching
83:49 all the greats just hours and hours and
83:52 hours and hours of studying film
83:55 and so it was proximity so it was
83:57 everything he got proximity and like
83:59 exposure to all that and nobody else and
84:02 genetics he was when he was 13 years old
84:04 he was 190 pounds I had no idea yeah
84:08 yeah Teddy Atlas used to take him to
84:10 what they call smokers smokers are like
84:12 these amateur sort of unregulated fights
84:15 and uh they would say how old is he and
84:17 you'd say 13 like [ __ ] and he he
84:19 like how old do you think he is he's
84:21 like 16 so they put him in with 16year
84:23 olds and he knocked them out oh my God
84:25 he was knocking everybody out he was
84:26 just a genetic freak on top of being
84:29 very intelligent but never really
84:32 applied to anything other than boxing
84:34 fully absorbed with boxing has a trainer
84:37 who's one of the greatest trainers of
84:38 all time trained Floyd Patterson Jose
84:41 Torres I mean custot was a legendary
84:44 world champion trainer and then on top
84:45 of that he's a hypnotist so he's like
84:48 deeply involved in the psyche of his
84:50 Fighters and he's a mentor figure to
84:52 this kid and so you have that
84:54 combination of things and you have that
84:56 guy the greatest Mike Tyson at 79 at the
84:59 age of 13 that's him at 13 oh my gosh
85:02 [ __ ] look at the size of his biceps bro
85:05 look at his biceps look at his [ __ ]
85:08 right bicep at 13 that is that differ
85:10 insane I know Muhammad Ali above that is
85:13 12 years old and Tyson's 13 and built
85:15 like a tank that is so crazy a monster
85:19 oh he was everything was perfect it was
85:21 The Perfect Storm intelligence genetics
85:25 training
85:26 proximity and you know he was around
85:28 great Fighters as well you know he was
85:30 he was in gyms in the cat skills with
85:33 some of the best fighters of his
85:35 era does he credit like psychedelics for
85:38 his like this transformation that he's
85:40 made he does talk about it yeah he does
85:43 talk about it I'm sure it had an impact
85:45 on him that marijuana both those things
85:47 had an impact on him I mean he's got to
85:50 be not I mean just fighting for that
85:53 long your brain's going through so much
85:55 and you've got to you've got to you got
85:57 to come back to earth it's like a dude
85:59 coming off a 5year deployment or
86:01 something over in the Middle East like
86:02 you've got to reestablish yourself back
86:04 to a normal yes and I've heard him just
86:07 talk about it once where he talked about
86:09 I think it was just siloc cybin but that
86:12 is that saved me from a lot of really
86:16 crazy stuff as well but I think he is
86:19 just a guy who knows I would be
86:22 terrified like if I was a cop and pulled
86:23 him over and he said go ahead and get
86:25 back in your car be like okay okay
86:29 yeah when I first met him well well I
86:32 met him before this but when he first
86:34 did the podcast he was not working out
86:37 at all and he was smoking weed all day
86:40 long and he was like silly and peaceful
86:43 and relaxed and he said he didn't want
86:45 to work out because if he did he would
86:47 reignite his ego and he didn't want to
86:49 do that and then the second time I saw
86:52 him was when he was preparing for the
86:53 Roy Jones fight and he had lost like 100
86:55 pounds he was shredded and like all his
86:58 muscles were just [ __ ] big and thick
87:00 and puffed up and he looked terrifying
87:02 it was like and Jamie and I were like
87:03 that's a totally different person like
87:05 from from the first episode he did to
87:07 the second episode completely different
87:09 person because he was Mike Tyson again
87:11 he was getting ready to fight again and
87:13 he was [ __ ] terrifying and this is
87:16 Mike Tyson again at 50 right so imagine
87:19 what Mike Tyson at 22 was like I mean it
87:23 had to be [ __ ]
87:25 terrifying I bet he won so many fights
87:28 just psychologically oh yeah standing
87:30 across the ring looking at that guy even
87:33 if I was a good fighter yeah um I'm like
87:36 man yeah everybody was terrified of him
87:38 you stand like why am I doing this uhhuh
87:40 yeah he had an aura and all the greats
87:42 have auras like that Roy Jones had that
87:44 aura in his prime too where you you knew
87:47 the fighter that he was facing was
87:48 [ __ ] and it you know eventually
87:50 catches up with you and it did with Mike
87:52 with Buster Douglas and then Vander
87:54 Holyfield and some of the other fights
87:55 after that but you know when a fighter
87:58 has that aura it takes a very special
88:01 confident person to overcome that and
88:04 that's why why winning a title is so
88:07 difficult it's so difficult to beat a
88:09 champion is the psychological especially
88:11 if you've never had a championship fight
88:13 and you're fighting someone like you
88:15 know Anderson Silva in his prime who had
88:17 just been dominating his division this
88:19 is your first world world title fight
88:21 and you're fighting a guy who's been
88:23 there done that eight times destroyed
88:25 everybody in his path and he's looking
88:27 at you the way he's not remotely nervous
88:29 about you and he's like smiling at you
88:31 and he thinks he's just going to tear
88:32 you apart yeah and it takes a person of
88:36 very special
88:40 psychological you you have to have a
88:43 fortitude your mind has to be so [ __ ]
88:47 strong to be able to handle that moment
88:49 because it's not just the physical fight
88:51 of skills it's also the moment yeah and
88:54 the moment is overwhelming it's it's
88:56 it's so different than everything else
88:58 you know you want to talk about novelty
89:00 the novelty of a world title fight I
89:02 mean just imagine someone backstage at
89:04 the
89:05 UFC you have there's four fights before
89:08 you get on and you're watching people
89:10 get knocked out and head kicked you're
89:11 in the green room and you're in the the
89:14 the locker rooms rather and you're
89:15 warming up you're practicing you're
89:16 hitting mitts and you're thinking what
89:18 the [ __ ] am I getting myself into like
89:20 what am I doing and then you see
89:22 Anderson Silva warming up you're like oh
89:24 Jesus Christ what am I doing like you
89:27 have to have a a very special mind to be
89:30 able to overcome that and I think it's
89:33 one of the reasons why a lot of Fighters
89:35 today are seeking out mental coaches
89:37 it's very common you I first found about
89:39 it through my friend Vinnie shoran who
89:41 has worked with a lot of MMA fighters
89:43 and a lot of uh World Championship
89:45 kickboxers as well and and helped a lot
89:47 of people with that but there's quite a
89:49 few different Fighters now that utilize
89:52 mental coaches and some sort of uh
89:56 visualization coaching and then where
89:59 they have very specific goals in terms
90:02 of how they want to walk out what they
90:05 want they want to see the whole thing
90:07 there's guys like Jon Jones would
90:09 famously like walk out before the fight
90:12 and he would move around the Octagon he
90:15 would like soak it all up in yeah when
90:18 no one was there before everything and
90:20 we would get footage of it sometimes him
90:22 just moving around you know move around
90:24 with his koses he just wanted to feel
90:25 the floor under his feet he wanted to
90:27 see the cage he wanted to get himself in
90:29 that mindset and you know John is if not
90:32 the greatest one of the absolute
90:34 greatest of all time and you know he was
90:37 meticulous and still is meticulous about
90:40 his preparation meticulous about
90:42 watching tape and footage and
90:44 understanding who he's fighting what
90:46 their moves are what they do what Their
90:48 tells what the mistakes they make and
90:50 then visualizing success I think the
90:53 visual ation is so powerful yeah because
90:56 he's winning 00 times he's winning that
91:00 fight before it starts and he's winning
91:02 it so many times and he's and just going
91:05 in the ring you're programming that
91:07 Mamon brain with the smells and the
91:09 sounds and just the feel of everything
91:12 and it's so it's such a great practice
91:15 to establish for anybody yeah as many
91:17 bases you can cover right like the
91:20 physical skills of fighting are so
91:22 difficult to master and you get to a
91:24 certain level of ability where you do
91:27 have confidence you know you do think
91:29 you are the man and you could just
91:30 dominate everybody but the problem is
91:32 when you're facing someone else who's
91:33 also the man like he thinks he's the man
91:36 too and then you start questioning maybe
91:37 I'm Maybe I'm Wrong maybe what's
91:39 happened to my opponents is now going to
91:40 happen to me maybe I'm going to get mine
91:43 now [ __ ] and you know you're the doubts
91:46 start creeping into your mind and then
91:48 unless you have some sort of a system of
91:52 how to organize your mind and how to
91:55 mitigate all this anxiety and stress and
91:57 how to think about things and
91:59 concentrate only on the positive things
92:01 only on what you are going to do and not
92:04 all that [ __ ] and I think that's it
92:06 it's it's about rehearsal and it's the
92:08 way that c topy EOS do it in everybody
92:11 is they're rehearsing all of the the the
92:13 good things happening in their head all
92:15 the time they have just this General
92:16 belief that things are going to be great
92:19 and the guy that's psyching himself out
92:20 before a fight he's he's maybe it only
92:23 takes a second but he's rehearsing a
92:25 loss he's rehearsing these little bad
92:27 things happening and the the the brain
92:29 the mamalian brain doesn't speak English
92:31 at all so it's saying okay this is like
92:33 we're preparing for this I'm going to
92:35 try to make this happen it's the same
92:37 thing when you're like searching for a
92:38 car on the internet and you finally go
92:40 buy it after a month and you see it all
92:42 over the place your brain you're telling
92:44 your brain what to search for and seek
92:46 out it's so true and that's our
92:48 reticular formation inside of our brain
92:51 so with these Fighters if I'm if I'm
92:53 rehearsing on purpose then I'm more
92:56 likely to win if I'm rehearsing on
92:57 accident by worrying worrying is
93:00 rehearsal um and that's one of the
93:03 things I talked to Roy about with his
93:04 guys that he trains if I worry once it's
93:07 that's rehearsal that's a that's one
93:09 rehearsal practice checked off the box
93:11 and I got to do one more to to cancel
93:14 that out it's mental rehearsal rehearsal
93:17 that's interesting yeah and just be you
93:21 have to also be aware of things that can
93:23 go wrong if you do drop your hands can
93:25 go wrong if you do not move your head
93:27 off the center line if there's something
93:29 that you do that's a mistake there is
93:31 real consequences so you probably a
93:33 little bit of fear is very good for you
93:36 like one of the things that Fighters
93:37 talk about is having flat performances
93:39 because they came in too confident and
93:41 then they start getting beat up and they
93:43 can't shift gears like they can't get to
93:46 the Fear Part because the fear is kind
93:48 of over once you start fighting like
93:50 when I was competing I was always
93:52 terrified up until the fight but when
93:54 the fight is happening you're not scared
93:55 at all you're just reacting you're
93:57 moving and you know you're just I mean
93:59 you probably get scared if you're
94:00 getting hurt if you're getting battered
94:02 you know and you're you're against the
94:03 ropes and you're getting [ __ ] up but
94:05 for the most part you're not scared
94:07 you're just you're in this Zen State
94:10 you're in this state of just letting
94:11 your training do the work but the leadup
94:14 to it the leadup to it is where
94:16 everybody freaks out that's that's where
94:18 the real fear comes and it's just
94:20 mitigating that until you can get in
94:23 there and and then once you get in there
94:24 you're really not scared that makes
94:27 perfect sense it's the same thing in the
94:29 military like if you're getting into a
94:31 gunfight or something there's fear
94:32 before and not during and that's the
94:35 same thing and if so I would imagine
94:37 there' be fear during as well though no
94:39 I've I mean I want to speak for myself
94:42 I've talked to a lot of dudes that just
94:43 kind of everything goes quiet it's a
94:45 mental Stillness because we go through a
94:47 lot of training uh that that gets you
94:50 ready for a lot of those scenarios I
94:52 could man I could show your video after
94:54 this um that'll be fun but they have
94:57 this program where like they put a black
94:58 bag over your head and there's a bunch
95:02 of dudes that are mostly like retired
95:04 operator dudes and every few minutes
95:07 this black bag that you can't see
95:09 through and it's not like a plastic bag
95:11 it's just like a hood and you're sitting
95:13 there just holding your gun and they rip
95:15 this bag off your head there's a circle
95:17 on the ground it's like five feet wide
95:18 and you can't step out of it you can't
95:20 take a knee those are the only rules and
95:22 for these
95:24 every there's a scenario playing out in
95:26 front of you every time the bag comes
95:28 off and these guys are wearing like
95:29 Arabic style clothes and the the Middle
95:33 Eastern style clothes they're blaring
95:35 crazy music and explosions in your head
95:38 while the hood is on the hood gets
95:40 ripped off it's like 40 seconds long you
95:42 don't know what to expect you don't have
95:43 no idea what's going to happen and these
95:45 guys they're wearing little mask and you
95:47 have SIM simulated ammunition um some
95:52 will try to kill you some might run up
95:54 to you really fast and ask for
95:56 directions and you never know what's
95:58 going to happen and for these dudes to
96:00 go down they're all going to try to
96:01 shoot you first if they shoot you first
96:03 you start the day over and it's like 11
96:06 hours it's it's grueling process huh so
96:11 they keep so this is what is the purpose
96:13 of this like what are they trying to
96:15 achieve there's a few things your aim
96:17 like I need to get better at Target
96:20 acquisition so like I I do something
96:22 here and I know something over here and
96:24 I'm I'm going to rotate over to this
96:26 this next thing that that I have to deal
96:29 with mhm and after days and days and
96:33 days of this you get very good like it's
96:36 nowhere near that level but you walk out
96:38 of there feeling like you I'm John Wick
96:40 now but they get you to a level and the
96:42 instructors don't go down unless you hit
96:44 them twice in the base of the nose so
96:47 like you can shoot them in the chest and
96:48 they'll they'll slow down or they'll
96:49 take a knee but
96:54 what what happened my headphones stopped
96:57 working really yeah they're good now
97:00 okay so like they'll slow down but you
97:02 hit them U twice in the base of the nose
97:05 and they go down they'll they'll drop
97:07 and that's like the brain stem you have
97:09 to sear the brain stem and it's days and
97:12 days and days of this and you can't step
97:14 out of the circle and what is the
97:16 simulated ammunition like what are they
97:17 using it's a real bullet inside of a
97:20 real gun so it's like the Beretta I
97:22 deployed with
97:24 but you take the barrel out and you put
97:26 in this smaller barrel and it's it's a
97:29 real bullet but the tip of it like Wax
97:32 and it's filled with like hot pink
97:34 laundry detergent essentially like a
97:37 little paintball but it's inside of a
97:38 bullet inside of a real
97:41 bullet you're going to have a problem
97:42 with that [ __ ] watch I
97:45 know it's on it's on airplane mode I had
97:48 one of those once I wore it for one day
97:50 and it was buzzing during a podcast I
97:52 was like all right [ __ ] this thing
97:55 now it's going to go off over there and
97:56 you're gonna have to reach for it so
97:58 these are the bullets that they
97:59 use paintball training bullets and so do
98:03 that Joe yeah airplane mode maybe it's
98:05 someone important calling you isn't
98:06 there like people on your list nope no
98:09 um yeah that's it so those things they
98:13 just splatter on your face is that what
98:14 it is yeah I mean the guys are wearing
98:16 masks and stuff like that right and uh
98:19 but if it hits that area then you go
98:22 down where you're you're done and then
98:25 it's a lot of critical judgment and
98:27 decision making there might be a guy
98:29 that walks up to you and he's holding an
98:30 axe over his shoulder but it's just like
98:32 a farmer because maybe the younger guys
98:35 are like oh there's a dude there's a
98:36 weapon he needs to die right uh but he
98:38 has no intent right so I'm you can't
98:41 just shoot people because they have a a
98:43 weapon over there so it's a really good
98:46 training for judgment and and that just
98:48 that fast decision
98:50 making okay and so this is is just to
98:54 sort of condition them so that when a
98:55 battle takes place it'll be sort of
98:57 automatic to fall into these patterns
99:00 that they've learned yeah and that they
99:03 may say this in other parts of the world
99:04 but they say you're going to default to
99:05 the lowest level of your training the
99:07 lowest level that you've repeated
99:08 thousands of times right that'll be your
99:11 default
99:13 so it's interesting that you worked with
99:16 one fighter have you worked with any
99:18 Fighters since then uh two other guys
99:21 I've worked with just through Roy mostly
99:23 work with CEOs that need to need a break
99:26 from a bunch of limiting crap that's
99:28 holding them back or or business people
99:30 but two other Fighters that I've worked
99:32 with and you can watch this guy's fight
99:33 he's not gassed out he's sitting in the
99:35 corner the other guy's just heaving and
99:37 you could his chest is still and you
99:39 could see the announcers even say it in
99:40 the fight that he's not making any
99:42 facial expressions um man I can't
99:46 remember hold on I'll find it okay um
99:51 but it's on YouTube the fight is on
99:53 YouTube I I'll bring it up uh Bryant uh
99:57 Pella Bryant Pella is his name Jamie
100:00 you'll find it and the announcers are
100:02 even saying he's not making facial
100:03 expressions when he's getting hit it's
100:05 like Terminator his face was just
100:08 completely straight there's a guy that
100:11 uh was one of the greatest heavyweights
100:12 of all time out of Russia his name is
100:14 Fedor million Eno and he fought in Pride
100:17 which was this enormous organization in
100:19 Japan in the early 2000s and he was
100:21 famous for having like a completely
100:24 stoic expression no matter what happened
100:26 that'd be terrifying to me oh he was the
100:27 most terrifying and cuz he was so
100:29 skillful as well but I wonder like what
100:32 they taught him in terms of like how to
100:35 keep your your mind in check in the
100:38 middle of chaos because I mean he'd be
100:40 in these [ __ ] Wars and just his
100:43 facial expression never changed there's
100:45 this famous fight with him and Kevin
100:48 randman Kevin randman was this Elite
100:51 American wrestler and he super lexes
100:53 Fedor on his head like on his neck and
100:56 on his head and his expression never
100:58 changes in the middle of getting thrown
101:00 through the air slammed onto the ground
101:03 then moments later he catches Kevin in
101:05 an armar wow yeah it was crazy it's just
101:08 like never Chang never changes face just
101:12 calm you know he might be having a cup
101:14 of coffee at a local cafe I bet it was
101:17 what what you were talking about earlier
101:18 well like you don't exist you don't
101:20 exist and it was what I'm teaching to
101:22 these Fighters what I'm I'm programming
101:24 these fighters to do is is essentially
101:26 the same thing you don't exist there's
101:27 another part of you that's going to take
101:29 over for this this entire experience and
101:32 this part of you is more than
101:34 capable so did you talk to Roy about
101:38 like What fighters experience like what
101:41 to work on so what did Roy tell you Roy
101:44 said that the three most important
101:46 things are I don't want them to to get
101:48 gassed out too fast which is like when
101:51 maybe that's a common term a lot of it
101:53 yeah lot of his anxiety adrenaline dump
101:56 yeah and feeling like you're running out
101:57 of air um and I I I want him to be
102:01 immune to pain which is obviously not
102:04 not completely possible we can get close
102:06 like to him feeling as so confident that
102:09 the pain doesn't matter and he wanted
102:12 him to be
102:13 completely hellbent on destroying this
102:16 other guy those are like Roy's three
102:18 things and he said you add in whatever
102:20 you want so I added in some cuz a couple
102:22 of those things are symptoms so I wanted
102:25 to figure out what what's the root cause
102:26 of this like if I'm just hellbent on
102:29 taking this guy out the root cause of
102:31 that might be um anger and and just
102:35 being extremely mad and angry at
102:38 somebody generally speaking they tell
102:40 you that that's not a good emotion to
102:42 take inside the ring because anger will
102:45 anger is an emotion and emotions will
102:47 cause you to uh like Yuri prasa says uh
102:51 go into another line so instead of doing
102:54 what you should be doing in in the flow
102:57 you might push things so you might be a
103:00 little too aggressive and open yourself
103:02 up to counters you you might not be
103:04 defensively responsible because you're
103:06 really only thinking about offense
103:08 whereas you have to kind of be in this
103:10 zone of both things at the same time and
103:12 knowing when to attack and when not to
103:14 attack that makes a lot of sense yeah a
103:16 lot of people don't think but then
103:18 there's Fighters that fight angry if you
103:20 know they're very successful if you know
103:21 a guy I'll do it for you it be
103:23 interesting well there's a lot of UFC
103:25 fighters probably listening to this
103:26 right now like me like I'm sure you'll
103:29 get people that are interested in it
103:31 because everyone knows that there is a
103:34 huge psychological aspect to fighting
103:36 everyone knows that no no one denies
103:38 that no one thinks you could just be
103:40 skillful and just be you know and
103:43 everyone knows there's a psychological
103:44 aspect of it that's very very very
103:46 important and if you could do something
103:48 that would strengthen that the same way
103:50 you do something that strengthens your
103:51 cardio or strengthens your power you
103:54 would think that that would be very
103:55 beneficial huge Advantage Tiger Tiger
103:58 Woods had an on call did he hypnotist
104:00 yeah really an on call hypnotist yeah
104:02 like a a guy that I think traveled with
104:04 them many many times so he had a regular
104:07 hypnotist that he saw and uh I think
104:10 it's a tremendous advantage and if you
104:14 can get it to a point so like I had been
104:15 training all these
104:17 CEOs couple of politicians that I've
104:20 worked with that needed this
104:21 breakthrough and of confidence and
104:23 authority and all this other stuff so I
104:25 always had this way to like turn this
104:28 thing on there was like an on switch to
104:30 to activate this little Alter Ego thing
104:34 and for the all the fighters I had to
104:36 figure out something else because they
104:37 couldn't use their hands their hands are
104:38 all you know gloved up and taped up and
104:40 all that all that kind of stuff but I
104:42 figured out with the fighter like there
104:44 was so much it was almost like a little
104:47 psychopath when this thing came on and
104:49 you can see it in in Bryant's face on
104:51 this fight and you have footage of him
104:54 Jamie I'm sorry like I was looking at
104:57 tigers I got lost into that I found the
104:59 guy but oh you found who it was Jay
105:01 brunza is his name Jay brunes it was
105:04 when he was
105:05 younger he also caded for him so he was
105:08 around with him all oh Tiger Woods
105:10 you're talking about we were talking
105:11 about Roy Jones Junior's fighter that's
105:13 like having your corner man your
105:14 hypnotist that is kind of crazy every
105:15 time in the corner insle so he traveled
105:17 around with them all the time well I
105:20 would imagine look if you're doing
105:21 something like golf where there's
105:23 millions of dollars on the line and that
105:25 is clearly a very very much a mental
105:27 game yeah there's a lot of thinking and
105:30 calculating and being in the zone and
105:32 golf that totally makes sense that would
105:35 be effective and it's so different it's
105:37 it's so similar though to fighting was
105:39 it's a very mental game like can I stay
105:42 here can I can I be present can I figure
105:45 out what's going on and keep in mind I
105:47 know nothing about fighting but right I
105:49 know a whole lot about the brain and how
105:51 and how people work you know it's
105:53 interesting cuz what you're saying kind
105:54 of applies to stand-up comedy too cuz I
105:58 have we've talked about this a bunch of
105:59 times in The Green Room of the club um I
106:02 think stand-up comedy is hypnosis I
106:04 think it's kind of a mass hypnosis
106:06 because I feel hypnotized when someone's
106:08 really good when someone I'm just is not
106:10 even as a person who's who does it but
106:12 as an audience member when someone's
106:15 really good I'm allowing them to kind of
106:17 think for me you know I'm I'm going with
106:20 the way they think about things when
106:22 someone's really really funny and I
106:23 really enjoy watching them I'm in their
106:25 mind I'm they're they're taking me on a
106:28 journey they're like holding my hand and
106:30 telling me where we're going yeah and if
106:32 someone's really good you let them I've
106:34 never thought about that before but
106:36 that's it that's you're you're bypassing
106:38 your own critical Factor where I'm not
106:40 criticizing this information because
106:41 it's funny I want to hear it I want
106:44 accept it well that's why jokes work
106:46 when you know the person doesn't really
106:48 believe that they don't want to you know
106:49 they're saying crazy [ __ ] but you're
106:51 laughing anyway because you know what
106:53 they're doing they're just taking you on
106:54 a fun ride it's like a fun ride through
106:57 jokes and when you're doing it there's
107:01 this moment that you want to achieve
107:05 where you're essentially a passenger
107:09 you're not even really the driver as the
107:11 as the as the comedian comedi yeah
107:13 you're kind of the passenger and the the
107:16 set sort of takes over and you're just
107:20 going with where it wants to go and when
107:23 the subjects come up if you're not
107:26 completely invested in what that subject
107:29 is the audience knows you can say the
107:32 words the right way with the right
107:34 timing and they won't work there's like
107:36 something about it but if you're locked
107:39 in the audience gets locked in with you
107:42 and it's the difference between someone
107:44 who can't figure it out and someone who
107:46 becomes successful it's like realizing
107:49 that you can't talk about something
107:51 while you're not thinking about it you
107:53 have to be thinking about that thing and
107:55 you have to be invested in it it has to
107:57 be real to you it has to be something
107:59 you're really interested in and then the
108:01 audience gets interested in it as well
108:03 yeah that is so true yeah it's a form of
108:06 hypnosis I think and the SEC I mean one
108:09 big part of hypnosis is something called
108:10 fractionation are you familiar with this
108:12 no so it's fractionation is where like I
108:14 would put you into a trance and that
108:16 would bring you almost all the way out
108:18 to where your eyes are kind of opening
108:19 again and then send you back down again
108:21 and you go deeper so in comedy and and
108:23 in conversations you can do this to
108:25 people where it's like super fun thing
108:27 then really depressing or scary thing
108:29 fun thing scary thing scroll through
108:31 your social media feed yeah it's
108:33 fractionation as well but it it
108:35 increases
108:36 suggestibility and one of the
108:38 only one of the best guys I've seen is
108:41 like Mitch Hedberg could pull people in
108:44 oh yeah man he was such a awesome dude
108:47 when it came to that stuff you know why
108:49 he could pull people in though is
108:51 because people knew what to expect when
108:54 you went to see Mitch Hedberg Mitch
108:55 hedberg's struggle was the early days
108:59 when people didn't know who he was and
109:02 if you schedule a show badly like say if
109:04 you have like a an opening act that's
109:06 high energy and then a middle act the
109:08 worst is like of a middle act does like
109:09 singing and songs and stuff and then
109:12 he's very non sequor dead pan one funny
109:16 line after another absurdities it's all
109:19 absurd and it you know sometimes it
109:21 didn't catch on like he had to to become
109:23 famous and then people wanted to go see
109:25 him knowing what they were going to go
109:27 see yeah that makes so much sense he's
109:30 kind of like a Steven Wright yes guy
109:32 very similar non seiters and uh wacky
109:37 observations yeah wow I would have never
109:40 considered that so people have to have a
109:42 degree of expectancy yeah well not
109:44 always I mean sometimes people just
109:46 appreciate it because it's funny but
109:47 this show has to be structured correctly
109:50 like if like I said if someone goes on
109:52 before and it's a rowdy crowd and
109:53 they're singing and they do some [ __ ]
109:56 back flips or something crazy and you
109:57 get used to that person like this big
109:59 reaction from the audience and then you
110:00 got a guy there with sunglasses on
110:02 someone asked me if I want a frozen
110:04 banana I said no but I want a regular
110:06 banana later so yes like it's like what
110:09 the [ __ ] are you talking about like you
110:12 have to be a Mitch Hedberg fan or know
110:14 what he's doing to appreciate that yeah
110:17 but once he became famous then it was
110:19 awesome CU then he was free so then he
110:22 could just be himself self he didn't
110:23 have to worry about like they were
110:24 coming to see him so then he could just
110:27 like really like Excel yeah so what I
110:31 teach I want to see if you can relate
110:33 this to Comedy somehow I teach you know
110:36 we talked about what influences the
110:37 mamalian brain Focus Authority tribe and
110:40 emotion those four things and no no
110:42 language involved whatsoever and then
110:45 the human brain has six things and it
110:47 seems like expectancy is one of those
110:50 things so it's Focus openness connection
110:54 suggestibility compliance and expectancy
110:57 and I think you only need three if you
110:59 get three you can get compliance from
111:01 anybody like the milgrim experiment
111:03 there's no openness there's no
111:05 connection and there's no expectancy
111:06 they're not they don't know what to
111:07 expect is next so milgrim experiment
111:09 only got three and made people
111:12 murderers only
111:14 three so as a comic if you're on stage
111:18 you you have to generate that Focus you
111:20 want to create some level of openness
111:22 with put the people in the crowd so
111:23 they're open to receiving and
111:26 suggestibility I guess would have to be
111:28 in there right and connection would be a
111:31 a huge one yeah there's a lot of things
111:33 going on but there's there's so much
111:36 that goes into planning a show that I
111:37 never thought about until just when you
111:39 said that like you you have to keep the
111:40 energy level at the at the right balance
111:42 you also have the right have to have the
111:44 right mindset before you go on stage
111:46 like the worst thing that can happen is
111:48 before you go on stage something happens
111:50 that throws you off like you get a phone
111:52 call from a loved one like something
111:54 goes wrong at your house like you're in
111:56 a car accident like something happens
111:58 before you go on stage and you're [ __ ]
112:00 up that that's a bad one yeah that
112:04 happened to me yesterday what happened
112:06 cuz you got the biggest show I think in
112:08 the world biggest podcast in the world
112:10 and I for the first time in a year and a
112:12 half I had seizures yesterday oh my God
112:14 just yesterday you think it's because of
112:15 this show the show put you into a
112:17 seizure I went I forgot to take
112:20 methylene blue for three days straight
112:21 oh and the seizures came back wow how
112:24 bad was it uh they were like a minute
112:26 and a half uh but one of them we were in
112:28 a on the way to a restaurant I was like
112:30 holding our daughter who's like 13
112:32 months old oh Jesus and uh it was just
112:36 but it's not like a crazy seizure it's
112:37 just like your head falls down uh but I
112:40 thought like yeah this is I'm going to
112:41 have a seizure on on Rogan and oh no and
112:44 it like I would like if it happened I
112:46 would beg you to keep it in have there
112:48 been studies on methylene blue and
112:50 seizures where or doctors recommending
112:53 this stuff absolutely I've published
112:55 papers on it so doctors are backing it
112:58 up there's tons and tons of studies and
113:00 these are major universities it's not
113:02 like Jimbo's College down in Mexico City
113:05 or something these are major
113:07 universities neurodegenerative disorders
113:09 like Parkinson's myasthenia gravis
113:12 ALS and epileptic disorders so anybody
113:16 that's got epilepsy this is
113:19 neuroprotective and then it's also
113:21 neurogenerative it helps you to get to a
113:23 point where you can make new neurons and
113:25 it it it helps your mitochondria so much
113:28 your neuron mitochondria wow and like
113:31 mitochondria make up 6% of your body
113:33 weight it's like we we got a lot really
113:37 yeah we have a ton and they have they
113:40 don't have human DNA I thought you might
113:41 like that what does mitochondria have
113:43 it's its own DNA it's they think it was
113:47 like original from bacteria and then
113:50 formed a relationship with single-
113:51 celled organ organisms and then became
113:53 human or became animals mammals and
113:57 mitochondria do not have do not share
113:59 DNA with humans whoa and they power our
114:02 cells it's pretty cool and methylene
114:06 blue helps them yes there's a there's a
114:09 whole lot and the reason red light is
114:11 effective is because of this chemical
114:13 called cytochrome C oxidase and it's
114:16 absorbing so much of that red light to
114:18 where there's photons going down into
114:20 the mitochondria helping to generate at
114:22 p mean it
114:25 is I mean I I'm not like saying click
114:28 the link down below or anything like
114:29 that is it saved my life is there
114:32 anything that people should be worried
114:33 about with that stuff like other than
114:35 taking ssris is there what happens if
114:38 you take too much of it like I'm not a
114:40 doctor um but you taking too much of it
114:43 can be toxic but I mean taking too much
114:45 aspirin will do the same thing right so
114:48 it's it's hormesis is what they call
114:50 this where I'm like at the right amount
114:51 it's helpful
114:53 so that's a hormetic effect and what's
114:54 the effective dose again per body weight
114:57 my dose I can't tell anybody what to do
115:00 um but the dose I take is about 1 to 2
115:03 milligrams per kilogram per day and then
115:06 I'll take one day off like once a week
115:09 maybe sometimes I just keep
115:11 going so if I'm 70 kilograms and I'm
115:15 taking 2 milligram or 2 milligrams per
115:18 kilogram I'm going to take 140
115:20 milligrams per day
115:22 all at one time H usually just in the
115:26 morning and it is so cool I've heard
115:29 people say that they feel a cognitive
115:31 benefit from it as well oh yeah yeah
115:34 yeah I think it's just generating a lot
115:36 more energy in your brain because
115:38 there's ATP just going out everywhere
115:41 this sounds like one of those things
115:42 though where I'm we're talking about
115:43 this I'm like man one day this is going
115:45 to bite everybody in the ass like this
115:47 sounds like one of those ones where it's
115:49 almost too good to be true I I know it's
115:52 it's backed by 120 years of research I
115:55 was just Googling the weight of them and
115:56 this is the best I could find it says
115:59 due to their tiny size individual
116:00 mitochondria weigh an incredibly small
116:02 amount particularly negligible but
116:03 collectively in the human body total
116:05 weight of all mitochondria be estimate
116:07 the range of a few milligrams however
116:09 the exact rate can be dependent on
116:12 factors like body mass and cell type
116:14 well that doesn't sound like 6% of your
116:15 body I don't think that's correct but
116:18 that's AI overview it can't be wrong oh
116:21 that's right so
116:22 um interesting where did you hear this
116:25 from a professor of mine so maybe maybe
116:27 he's dealing with old information might
116:30 be yeah a few milligrams defin
116:32 definitely not 6% of your body it's a
116:34 lot more than that okay but either way
116:37 it's a part of your body and there it's
116:39 like the most important thing in our
116:41 bodies is is mitochondria so we we get
116:43 inflammation and we have all these
116:44 disorders it starts with some kind of
116:46 dysfunction with mitochondria most of
116:49 the time as I understand it uh so the
116:52 doctor that got me on this mitochondria
116:54 it or mitochondrial Health regimen which
116:56 is M methylene blue plus highd do
116:59 melatonin and this is like two 200
117:02 milligrams and do you take during the
117:04 day oh no melatonin at night right
117:07 around Sunset where my body is kind of
117:08 naturally wanting to I've heard people
117:10 talk about the side effects of melatonin
117:13 and that the that taking exogenous
117:15 melatonin it might not be the best idea
117:19 melatonin doesn't have a rebound it
117:21 doesn't no no so it doesn't have an
117:22 effect on your body's ability to produce
117:24 it either no no no your body no negative
117:28 side effects well there people think
117:29 there's negative side effects of
117:30 everything right there could be that's
117:32 one of the problems with the muddy murky
117:34 Waters of health and nutrition is like
117:37 it's it's hard to know who's correct
117:38 because there's a bunch of air quote
117:40 experts on both sides there's yeah what
117:44 I'm saying is it's correct for me
117:46 because it's it's solving the problem of
117:48 me like when my daughter was born the my
117:52 daughter was born Christmas Eve 2023
117:55 when I was driving my wife to the
117:56 hospital at that time I didn't know who
117:59 she
118:00 was really yeah so you had seized up no
118:04 I mean something was wrong it my
118:06 hippocampus is was like eating itself at
118:08 that time I I knew that she was a friend
118:11 I knew that she was important to me what
118:13 you did you literally didn't know she
118:14 was your wife didn't know she was my
118:15 wife I took selfies with her going into
118:18 the hospital she's pregnant going into
118:20 labor and delivery but I knew that if I
118:23 could fake it for 10 or 15 minutes when
118:25 this thing like wears off because I'd
118:27 have these like weird phases that my
118:29 brain went through if I could fake it
118:31 for 10 or 15 minutes then it'll come
118:33 back to me and it wow what a mind [ __ ]
118:36 it's terrifying in that like you won't
118:39 like you're losing everything it you
118:41 lose everything without losing your life
118:43 well also you're wondering what if this
118:45 is permanent what if I am like what is
118:48 that movie momento remember that movie
118:49 oh yeah where the dude had to write
118:51 everything down on his arm
118:53 cuz he he didn't know what the [ __ ] was
118:54 going on yeah yeah and he had that
118:56 Polaroid camera that he carried around
118:58 yeah it's a good movie great movie but
119:00 it's scary in that like you were not
119:03 there it's like it's kind of like an
119:05 Alzheimer's thing but it was different
119:07 in that like I spent with this
119:09 hippocampal problem sclerosis and this
119:12 temporal L epilepsy I thought my dog was
119:15 fake fake Jesus like I saw somebody like
119:19 planted this animal here and it's not a
119:21 real thing
119:22 were you paranoid like someone did this
119:24 or were you were you like why is this
119:27 fake dog here there is paranoia like we
119:30 were before a temporal Lo seizure
119:32 happens there's so much Deja Vu that it
119:35 feels like you're going down a roller
119:37 coaster like you're falling off a
119:38 building that kind of pit of your
119:40 stomach
119:40 feeling so you look around and you're
119:43 like there's no way that all of this is
119:46 not set up someone set this up so there
119:50 is paranoia there like right right as a
119:52 seizure starts cuz everything starts
119:54 looking like I've seen every single
119:56 detail right here before someone setting
119:58 me up and then boom seizure starts Jesus
120:01 it's horrible man but mine stopped and
120:04 if I stop taking methylene then seizures
120:06 start and I'm not saying anybody's got
120:08 to go to the same website as me you can
120:09 get it on Amazon it's nice and cheap is
120:11 there anything else that affects it like
120:13 your diet drinking is there anything
120:15 that yeah if I if I eat a lot of
120:18 carbs uh definitely so like a low carb
120:21 keto diet is what they recommend for
120:23 Alzheimer's and and all kinds of brain
120:25 disorders is cancer as well keto yeah
120:28 yeah it's so helpful for your body so I
120:31 have a low carb super low carb diet and
120:34 try to remember that methylene blue
120:37 every day and I do red light therapy at
120:38 home I have a huge helmet thing that
120:40 goes down it's a red light laser system
120:43 that's supposed to penetrate your skull
120:46 in your body like 4 in so I I do that
120:48 about once a day for about 20 minutes
120:51 Jesus it's bad ass it's cool it looks
120:53 like one of those hair dryers from a
120:55 like a old hair sounds cool but I I
120:57 always think like how much electricity
121:00 around your brain is a good thing like
121:02 is people are telling you not to have
121:03 earbuds in anymore yeah yeah yeah have
121:06 you had Jack Cruz you heard of no no
121:09 yeah I know he is yeah um I I've heard
121:13 so much of what he said and it's like
121:14 I've stopped using uh have you heard him
121:17 break down
121:19 sv40 horrifying that's is very
121:21 interesting yeah very interesting I
121:23 would s virus that's connected to some
121:26 vaccines I hope someone looks into it
121:28 yeah I talked to Brett Weinstein about
121:30 it and he explained it to me it's crazy
121:33 like they they used monkey kidney cells
121:37 yeah as the basis for certain vaccines
121:39 not knowing that they were going to
121:42 infect these vaccines with this sv40 and
121:45 it causes
121:47 cancer awful yeah and it's just like I'm
121:50 I'm so I'm not educated on medicine so
121:53 like I don't know like is that a common
121:55 thing have they done it with a whole
121:56 bunch of other stuff and we're just
121:57 looking at with this one thing I don't
121:59 think I'm I'm educated enough on that to
122:02 know a lot about it but hearing Jack
122:04 described that was terrifying just
122:07 terrifying
122:09 yeah and there's so many other things
122:12 that are coming out just one after the
122:14 other with this stuff that was going on
122:16 with the vaccines and all that if I can
122:18 even say that word well you can now that
122:21 Robert Jr is the head of HHS yeah thank
122:25 goodness it's going to be interesting to
122:26 see what he uh uncovers can we do a a
122:30 break take a pee break okay we'll be
122:31 right back so what are you saying about
122:34 uh what you teach the
122:36 governments so we teach the government
122:39 guys like scops guys a
122:41 lot and we teach him a system called
122:44 neurocognitive
122:46 intelligence it's essentially how do I
122:48 identify in a population or one person
122:51 some behavioral patterns and if I can
122:53 identify behavioral patterns then I can
122:55 predict future behavior and if I can
122:57 predict it I can influence it to another
122:58 Direction and it's pretty easy if you
123:01 just kind of get these basics down and
123:03 the like the first thing that we teach
123:05 is this thing called the childhood
123:07 triangle and this is what did I do
123:09 around the age of eight for safety
123:12 friends and rewards so how did I what
123:14 did I do to feel safe what I do to make
123:17 or keep friends and what did I do to get
123:19 some kind of reward for some kids a
123:20 reward was like uh their parents
123:22 complimenting them some kids a reward
123:24 was like water or food you know
123:26 depending on your life how you were
123:27 brought up but if you look at adult
123:30 behavior when you see these patterns of
123:33 how adults deal with conflict you're
123:35 seeing most of the time how they dealt
123:38 with conflict as a kid because we're
123:39 carrying all these childhood patterns
123:41 into adulthood all the
123:43 time it is so common so when we have a a
123:47 habit of dealing with conflict even in a
123:50 relationship not even a work thing we're
123:53 spotting these little childhood patterns
123:55 of safety friends and rewards almost all
123:57 the time and if I can spot that that's
124:00 like a step one of developing a a pretty
124:02 deep Behavior profile of of a human
124:05 being does that make any sense yeah it
124:07 does okay and then step two is identify
124:10 social needs and this is like what what
124:12 do we need from other people and there's
124:14 six six of these and this is like
124:17 significance acceptance approval
124:20 intelligence pity and strength and of
124:22 course that's not all human needs but
124:24 those are the six that that you can spot
124:26 pretty easily and that you can leverage
124:29 pretty easily when it's persuasion and
124:31 influence if I'm if I'm training an
124:32 intelligence guy to go recruit somebody
124:34 overseas right he's got to be able to
124:37 spot these things because he responding
124:39 what this person needs so if I'm in a
124:40 conversation with somebody says well I'm
124:41 been a CEO for 20 years I managed 9,000
124:44 people at this company there's a
124:46 significance statement right so we hear
124:49 these statements in conversation all the
124:50 time but we hear them just kind of
124:52 passively instead of understanding
124:54 what's being revealed in a conversation
124:57 so if I hear a person speak you'll hear
124:59 one of those six in almost every
125:00 conversation even if it's a a two-minute
125:03 conversation with an Uber driver you're
125:05 going to hear some of these statements
125:06 come out the acceptance would be like
125:09 I'm I need to be part of groups I need
125:12 to be I'm a member of things we they use
125:15 a lot of words like we did this we did
125:17 that and the approval people are like
125:19 well you know I'm going on uh I've got
125:21 this thing I got to speak on stage I I
125:23 never do a good job and I need you to
125:24 tell me like no know Chase you're great
125:27 you're going to be okay you're you're
125:28 going to do a great job those are the
125:30 approval seeking the intelligence
125:32 seeking people we're talking about the
125:34 universities they went to the the grades
125:36 that they got they're they'll display
125:38 their intellect in all these ways and
125:39 pity pity people is pretty obvious like
125:42 and the way that we deal that the pity
125:44 person is essentially asking to other
125:45 people realize how bad I've had it or
125:47 what I've been through and if I can spot
125:50 that then I can start recognizing izing
125:51 that and making this person see me as
125:54 their type of person because now I'm not
125:56 just a person or a friend they're
125:58 getting neuropeptides from all this so
126:00 I'm kind of a drug dealer if I can spot
126:03 which of these six this person is and
126:04 their and these behavioral patterns so
126:07 this is like in the first two minutes of
126:09 of an interaction you can spot these
126:11 things in the strength and power person
126:13 there's one that's leader and one that's
126:15 like I need to if I bark loud enough if
126:19 I act tough enough then nobody's going
126:21 to hurt me
126:22 me so there's one that's kind of the
126:24 natural leader and there's one that's
126:25 like the the Chihuahua right the
126:27 defensive yeah yeah and when you say
126:30 work with scops people what do you mean
126:32 by
126:34 that I've trained uh many times US Army
126:39 scops branch and how to do these they
126:43 have a name is it just called scops
126:45 branch called SS put up that video
126:47 what's that Jamie we put up that video
126:49 the other day which one that crazy like
126:51 we ended the podcast with it it was like
126:53 on the scop YouTube channel their
126:55 commercial oh right that W that's that
126:58 that video is CRA there's of them right
127:00 cool they're very cool but it's crazy
127:03 yeah and it's it's like can we play that
127:05 again yeah I guess do they let us play
127:07 it or do they give us [ __ ] I don't have
127:09 idea YouTube has a lot of prob want it
127:11 to go around I would imagine yeah they
127:12 would want that to go around we're
127:13 trying to help you [ __ ] brainwash
127:17 people we're on your side we're American
127:20 you know who Edward AES I know the name
127:23 uh he was the guy who's he invented like
127:26 public brainwashing large scale
127:29 brainwashing and he was uh the guy who
127:31 changed the department of War to the
127:33 Department of Defense he was the guy who
127:35 invented the uh torches of Freedom
127:37 Campaign to get women to smoke Virginia
127:39 Slims he's the guy died margar in yellow
127:42 ghost machine is what it is yeah that's
127:44 it if your opponent is of caloric temper
127:46 seek to irritate him pretend to be weak
127:48 that he may grow arrogant son Zoo the
127:51 art of
127:52 War like Kill Bill this is such a wild
127:57 video have you ever wondered the
128:00 peaceful Pro democracy demonstration in
128:02 China comes to a violent so good whoever
128:05 made this way to go down unnamed un of
128:10 course who's pulling his
128:13 trinks who is unnamed who did
128:17 this
128:20 wesing feel look it for purpose in your
128:23 life born From the Ashes and this video
128:27 comes on this could this could get you
128:29 to sign up of a world at
128:36 war most makes me want to sign up now
128:38 you'll find us in the
128:40 shadows right you want to be these guys
128:42 sneaking in with the guns right at the
128:44 tip of the
128:46 spear Marching In impressive manner a
128:50 threat rises in the east oh
128:53 no the music helps a lot oh yeah it
128:56 really does Warfare look at they're back
128:58 to the Mongols this is crazy and then
129:00 they shift from
129:02 that to Modern military
129:05 antifa
129:07 scrolling all the world's a
129:13 stage there is another very important
129:15 phase of
129:16 warfare it has as its Target not the
129:20 body but the mind of the
129:22 enemy Target psychological warfare
129:25 anybody wanting to be in control of
129:28 stuff yeah this would be just so like
129:32 okay I'm yeah I'm going to go be in
129:34 charge of everything intoxicating
129:36 anything we touch is a
129:39 weapon we can
129:44 deceive
129:47 persuade change I wonder if they can Now
129:50 with uh Doge one if youa getting
129:54 crippled will have an impact on that I
129:56 bet it will probably I bet it will I
129:58 don't know if that's good or bad so
130:00 these uh if if you know how to speak to
130:05 a person and and you can get them into
130:08 an identity agreement early on in that
130:10 conversation you can do anything and if
130:13 you just look at mgrm all they use so
130:16 remember we talked about those six
130:17 things that influence a person look at
130:19 that milgrim experiment there's only
130:22 three if you look at that the lines
130:25 experiment a person guessing which line
130:26 is the longer or which line matches
130:29 there's only a few in there and you get
130:30 absolute compliance from that
130:33 so if you can do that and then get
130:36 somebody to make an identity agreement
130:39 like what kind of person are you so as
130:41 just to put this in Practical terms like
130:44 I'm training a real estate person uh
130:47 one-on-one they're like well how do I
130:49 get these clients to behave like this at
130:50 the end you get them to agree at the
130:52 beginning and like so one of these lines
130:54 would be like you know when I first
130:56 started learning real estate they told
130:57 me that I'm only ever going to deal with
130:59 three types of clients they're going to
131:01 be like the first ones are the doubters
131:04 and these are the people that doubt
131:05 everything because they maybe they had
131:07 uh hard childhood or they get screwed
131:09 over so many times that they doubt just
131:10 everything which leads them to never
131:12 taking action the next ones are the
131:14 delayers these people just push
131:16 everything off in their life and bl and
131:18 then we have the deciders and these
131:20 people get all the information that they
131:22 possibly need and they make a decision
131:25 so without me even if I'm the real
131:28 estate person without me even telling
131:29 you or you agreeing or saying what you
131:31 are I've got you to subconsciously or to
131:34 privately make an agreement in your head
131:37 that you are probably in category three
131:40 and that's within the first like 10
131:41 minutes of meeting somebody so I've
131:43 started to compromise identity at in in
131:46 just a few
131:48 minutes and if I also know that you have
131:51 have these behavioral patterns and I
131:52 also know that you seek significance
131:55 right before I say that I might say you
131:57 know Joe it's it's obviously make a
132:00 tremendous difference around here I know
132:01 a lot of these people really look up to
132:03 you and I looked up to my my mentor who
132:05 taught me this stuff real estate and he
132:07 said there's only three types of clients
132:09 so now I've got your dopamine levels up
132:11 I've got your neurotransmitter levels up
132:13 as a as a little verbal drug dealer to
132:16 get you kind of addicted to what's going
132:17 on here then I pull you into this
132:19 identity trap that's like 4 5 Seconds
132:22 where I've got you into I've got you
132:24 hooked into identity and it's just a
132:25 small piece but I've got you hooked in
132:27 to begin with and I've got you to agree
132:29 that you are a certain type of person
132:30 that's the key am I the type of person
132:33 who blank did you see a lot of the
132:37 characteristics of this kind of
132:42 scop interaction with the public during
132:45 the covid pandemic in my head I was
132:48 going please don't talk please don't
132:50 bring cuz it seems like I'm going to I'm
132:52 going to send this to Jamie cuz this to
132:54 me was uh one of the darkest moments of
132:58 the propaganda of the uh the whole thing
133:02 was the the the complete lack of empathy
133:07 for um the unvaccinated and not just
133:10 lack of empathy but disdain and contempt
133:13 contempt yeah but this was in the LA
133:16 Times and uh I saved it because I knew
133:19 we were going to talk today and I I
133:20 remember seeing
133:22 this going God to put yourself into a
133:25 place where you could even write this
133:27 and then put it in the New York Times
133:28 say column mocking antivaxers covid
133:31 death is ghoulish yes but may be
133:36 necessary I remember when I read that I
133:38 remember when I saw that I was thinking
133:41 Jesus Christ this seems like this is so
133:45 on the nose George
133:47 Orwell yeah it's so it's such a mind
133:51 fight no one should
133:54 ever mock someone's death that's just an
133:59 a citizen that got infected with what
134:03 now we know was a genetically engineered
134:06 virus yeah a gain of function virus from
134:10 a weapons lab that got out to no one
134:13 should no one should mock an innocent
134:15 person for not trusting the government
134:17 and not wanting to get vaccinated that
134:19 that is so crazy to mock someone's death
134:22 from a disease where they did nothing
134:23 wrong if you want to mock the the death
134:25 of a murderer or a rapist or some
134:28 horrible criminal that's a different
134:29 thing right you want to mock Osama Bin
134:32 Laden's death you want what that's a
134:33 different we're talking about a
134:34 different thing but it's that this is
134:36 crazy this is crazy to say this to
134:39 grandmas and O obese people that wind up
134:42 dying from Co this is crazy to put that
134:45 in the Los Angeles Times but that was
134:48 one of those things it would let
134:50 everybody else know this is how they
134:52 think about you if you don't if you
134:54 don't follow along yeah and the tri
134:56 tribe will get you yeah especially that
134:58 artificially simulated tribe where
135:01 there's millions of people that are
135:02 going to be angry with you people you
135:04 don't even know and a lot of them are
135:06 bots so the first time I ever went on Dr
135:10 Phil um he great guy he came to my my
135:14 wedding he's a close friend now but this
135:16 is I've never met him before I've never
135:18 I'm some ex-military guy it's like a
135:20 tobacco chewing dude in the military and
135:23 I'm going now I'm going on Dr Phil and
135:25 I'm like man how what if I uh like how
135:28 do I how do I act if what if I what do I
135:30 do if I'm nervous and he's like man you
135:32 have a horrible disease and this is what
135:34 Phil said Chase you've got a you've got
135:36 a horrible disease you you have a need
135:39 for Love from
135:40 strangers whoa and that changed me
135:44 [Laughter]
135:49 man that's some harsh Tru
135:51 yeah and uh I think that got me over
135:54 that but if you look at all of this
135:56 everything that was going on the what we
135:58 talked about manipulating the mamalian
136:00 brain it's Caesar
136:03 Milan it's every step that Caesar Milan
136:05 does does with dogs Focus Authority
136:08 tribe and emotion uhhuh so if I I hack
136:11 your focus using novelty if you remember
136:14 we talked about like something breaks
136:15 our expectation I'm not expecting to see
136:18 mocking and all that kind of stuff
136:20 mocking antiac
136:21 Focus Authority is just LA Times right
136:24 tribe uh people must agree with this
136:28 because it's published and it's up there
136:30 and then the emotion mocking the deaths
136:32 might be ghoulish so make me feel a
136:34 little bit of emotion that helps me feel
136:36 like a good person maybe may be
136:38 necessary to be necessary so it's Focus
136:41 Authority tribe and emotion how much of
136:42 that do you think was engineered how
136:44 much of this was do you think was
136:45 planned out this response do you think
136:48 that someone sat in a room and that
136:50 people discussed the best ways to get
136:52 people to comply yes oh yes I would I
136:57 would bet my career because it was
137:00 executed following textbook protocol and
137:04 there are these I made a YouTube video
137:06 on my channel of like how to spot scops
137:07 and there's like 20 different little
137:09 things you only need one one thing and
137:12 you can spot whether or not you're
137:13 standing in the middle of a scop that
137:16 one thing is if the opinion that's
137:18 coming out needs people to be silenced
137:22 it's a up there's there are
137:24 psychological operations in play wow so
137:27 if you can't question it if you're
137:29 supposed to just go along it's a scop
137:32 yeah and if and if
137:33 people have to be silenced or or
137:37 publicly shamed because of their because
137:39 of their information and they're not
137:40 telling people the sky's falling they're
137:42 not they're not saying crazy [ __ ]
137:45 they're just saying basic stuff and they
137:47 need to be silenced that is a sop no
137:49 matter what you can go back in any any
137:51 time in history during a s up of our
137:53 country and if people needed to be
137:55 silenced or shamed publicly which is
137:58 like the tribe right that's why public
138:00 speaking is our number one fear for for
138:02 humans I'm it's not a fear of speaking
138:04 it's a fear of judgment right so I'm
138:07 just putting the threat of judgment out
138:08 there that is a s up so if people have
138:11 to be silenced and they were Harvard
138:15 doctors kicked off of the internet or
138:18 kicked off of Twitter for for this stuff
138:20 yeah
138:21 that's Stanford MIT yeah that's all you
138:23 need yeah the the great barington
138:26 declaration people didn't agree with
138:29 exactly how the government was handling
138:30 everything and they were silenced and
138:32 they were treated like
138:34 Fringe quacks instead of respected
138:38 Physicians and uh it was openly
138:41 discussed in
138:42 emails that's what's really crazy they
138:44 they they talked about the strategy of
138:47 silencing these people and then you had
138:49 the actual government itself contacting
138:51 Twitter trying to get people removed
138:54 which is wild yeah didn't you didn't you
138:57 have Mark Zuckerberg on he talked about
138:59 yeah he talked about Facebook doing it
139:01 about uh the FBI contacting them it's um
139:05 it's crazy to believe but my hope is
139:07 that people have learned from this past
139:09 four years and that this is an eye
139:12 opener yeah and it one thing I could say
139:16 like if if you want to know whether or
139:18 not you have been lied to
139:21 if you can't see anything wrong with the
139:23 side you agree with and you can't see
139:25 anything right with the side that you
139:27 disagree with you have been
139:29 manipulated or you're very rigid in the
139:32 way you look at things right yeah or I
139:33 mean this this you've been you're
139:35 assuming objective right because some
139:38 people are just not objective right but
139:40 that that lack of objectivity can come
139:43 from a manipulation a lot so I'm
139:46 deleting your objectivity through Sops
139:49 that's what I want to do that's what
139:50 scops typically aim to do but some
139:52 people again as you talking about with
139:55 suggestibility some people are more
139:57 vulnerable to that sort of group think
140:00 yeah way more way more yeah and that's
140:03 like if you think of back to that
140:05 childhood triangle again friends safety
140:07 and rewards what did I do to get friends
140:09 I listen to them and I I agreed with
140:11 them what did I do to feel safe because
140:12 that my dad was a [ __ ] or an
140:14 alcoholic or something I just went along
140:16 with everything they said I'm just going
140:17 to go along with it so you may and I'm
140:19 not saying that's the recipe for
140:21 suggestibility but that may be uh the
140:24 the reason someone grows up that way
140:25 that's just how I lived as a child those
140:28 were my little scripts to survive as a
140:30 kid as an innocent little kid and
140:34 there's so many scops that are happening
140:36 all the time some of them when you say
140:38 scops a a really really good infomercial
140:41 is a scop right so but what we're
140:43 talking about is a large scale right um
140:46 one of the things that I thought was
140:47 fascinating about the scop of the whole
140:51 pandemic was that there were people that
140:53 weren't even benefiting from being a
140:55 part of it that were
140:58 working for the scop and you saw people
141:02 that were they were making videos
141:05 mocking people that were unvaccinated or
141:08 calling one of my favorite was Keith
141:09 obman you ever see the Keith Oberman one
141:13 no that guy was a great sports caster
141:15 just I don't know what the [ __ ] happened
141:16 to him but he uh has this one video
141:19 where he's he gets vaccinated and shows
141:22 you his card and tells you that
141:24 everybody who's not getting the vaccine
141:26 are scared vaccine hesitancy you're
141:28 scared and he's like yelling you're
141:30 scared and it's he's like on his balcony
141:32 in Manhattan it's like so out of touch
141:35 because he obviously lives in this
141:36 really nice place beautiful view behind
141:38 him and he's talking about how these
141:40 people are scared because they're not
141:41 getting the like scared of what like
141:43 what are you scared of is there
141:45 something to be scared of yeah you're
141:46 scared of side effects from a [ __ ]
141:48 new medicine experimental there's been
141:51 so many times in the past where we've
141:53 seen they launching new medicine and
141:55 there's a host of side effects at the
141:57 [ __ ] pharmaceutical drug companies
141:58 probably knew about and didn't tell
142:00 everybody like but you're scared you're
142:02 scared see if you can find it it's
142:04 wonderful because it's so kooky you just
142:06 watch him yelling and screaming it's
142:08 like this is so ineffective but and this
142:12 dude this is how everything is like we
142:15 oh yeah they drugged everybody with LSD
142:17 oh yeah we gave Indian small poox or we
142:19 fill in the blank oh yeah yeah yeah we
142:21 did that for this year and this decade
142:23 and this decade and this decade and it
142:24 continued on but not now not now if not
142:27 we don't do that chase why we do that
142:29 now Amica this is America joke this is
142:31 not how we operate today we are moral we
142:34 are the leaders of the Free World have
142:36 you found it this is it right yeah this
142:38 is it give me the [ __ ] so give me
142:40 some volume so he's getting his
142:42 shot with his stupid mask on he's got
142:45 shot accomplished and it is it is time
142:50 to stop codling them the ones who won't
142:52 get the damn shot already and our first
142:56 step you and I is symbols the language
142:59 we use we call these people vaccine
143:02 hesitant vaccine Skeptics antiva we say
143:05 they're protesting mandates and
143:07 passports they're making a personal
143:09 choice they're waiting for more
143:11 information they're making a medical
143:12 decision [ __ ] they're afraid they're
143:17 afraid to get vaccinated correct stop
143:20 feeding their egos about what they're
143:22 doing stop legitimizing it vaccine
143:25 hesitant they're afraid vaccine Skeptics
143:29 they're afraid antix they're afraid
143:33 they're protesting mandates and
143:35 passports they're afraid a little bit of
143:37 spittle in his upper lipes they're
143:38 afraid extra good they're waiting for
143:40 more information afraid they're making a
143:42 medical decision to be
143:45 afraid the snowflakes are afraid okay we
143:51 get it we get it isn't it
143:53 wonderful
143:56 wow but he's doing this for social
143:58 credit he's doing this to Virtue signal
144:00 he's doing this to show everybody he's
144:02 holding up his card I'm
144:04 compliant you know and he thinks he's
144:06 going to it's going to benefit him
144:08 somewhere there's a payoff socially he
144:11 he feels like he is on the side of the
144:13 intelligent people who trust the
144:16 science yeah I wonder if someone asked
144:18 him to do the video I doubt it
144:20 but maybe maybe possibly I know that
144:24 they definitely did encourage people to
144:26 post things on social media yeah so it
144:29 was encouraged enough to the point where
144:30 you got a little a little reward
144:32 emotionally good job Keith but they're
144:35 leveraging the that Authority in the
144:37 tribe yeah like I'm not going to nobody
144:39 nobody celebrity is going to talk like
144:41 that on TV unless lots of people agree
144:44 there got he's got to have a l backing
144:45 plenty of people agreed with him but the
144:47 thing about it is like afraid of what
144:50 like you're not you're not saying what
144:51 they're afraid of they're afraid of what
144:53 everyone's experiencing right now Keith
144:56 yeah massive side effects yeah look at
144:59 the amount of people that have
145:00 myocarditis look at the the Rises and
145:02 all these autoimmune disorders and all
145:04 these different things that people
145:05 neurological conditions that people are
145:07 dealing with that are vaccine injured
145:09 I've got a friend of mine that was
145:10 kicked out of the military uh for not
145:12 getting it and it broke my heart he was
145:15 in for 19 years he was about to retire
145:18 and get pension and all that kind of
145:19 stuff now the Trump Administration
145:21 apparently is going to bring those
145:22 people back if they want to come back
145:23 with back pay yes is that happening to
145:25 him yes that's great he's going back in
145:27 he was a commander it's [ __ ] crazy
145:29 well good for him first of all for
145:30 sticking to his guns you know and if he
145:32 knows anybody that's been injured or
145:34 died from it now I bet he probably feels
145:36 pretty good about his decision and I
145:38 tell you what man at 19 years I probably
145:41 would have done it I think I would have
145:43 done it CU that's like that's pay for
145:45 the rest of your life and your kids are
145:47 covered and with medical insurance but
145:49 by then you know people had already
145:51 known that there were side effects you
145:53 I've talked about it before but my my
145:55 situation was uh I was not hesitant at
145:58 all initially the UFC had allocated a
146:01 bunch of uh the vaccines for um their
146:04 employees and we were doing shows during
146:06 the pandemic and uh we were doing them
146:08 in Vegas so there were at this place
146:10 called the Apex Center which is a
146:11 smaller Arena that the UFC had fights in
146:13 during the pandemic everybody had to be
146:15 tested you have to be tested before you
146:16 get there you have to be tested at home
146:18 before you fly the whole deal you get
146:19 there and then once you get there uh
146:22 they told me that they had uh vaccines
146:23 for all the employees so I called the
146:26 doctor and I said hey can I uh do it
146:29 while I'm here I was going to do it the
146:30 day of the fight I thought it was like
146:32 the flu shot like whatever I didn't no I
146:35 had no fear of vaccines at all before
146:38 this point I had no I'd never read any
146:40 books about vaccines I thought anybody
146:42 who was antivaxer was a c vaccines is
146:45 the reason why we don't have polio and
146:46 small POA all these different things
146:48 right so um they tell me that I would
146:51 have to come back on Monday I can't come
146:52 back on Monday or I'd have to go to the
146:54 the clinic on Monday they have to do it
146:56 there they can't do it at the arena I
146:57 said I can't uh but I'll be back in two
146:59 weeks for the next fights I'll do it
147:02 then in between the time I was supposed
147:05 to be there and come back it gets pulled
147:06 from the market so they had the Johnson
147:08 and Johnson it gets pulled for blood
147:09 clots then two people I knew got Strokes
147:13 oh God and I was like what the [ __ ] is
147:15 going on because like so many people are
147:17 getting vaccinated and you know if you
147:19 have millions of people getting
147:20 vaccinated you're going to have some
147:22 serious side effects occasionally and I
147:26 was around quite a few and I started
147:28 getting really ner and then when it came
147:30 back I'm like do I have to take this
147:31 thing because then they had pulled the
147:33 Johnson to Johnson and they were saying
147:34 well you still get the fiser or the mad
147:36 I'm like whoa whoa whoa like what's
147:38 going on here what's going on and then a
147:40 bunch of people that I knew had it and
147:42 got over it really quick they got covid
147:45 and then my family got it and when my
147:47 family got it I was like let me see if I
147:48 can get it cuz like uh I didn't do
147:51 anything different I hugged my kids I
147:53 slept with my wife like we we hung out
147:55 together they were like you're going to
147:56 get sick everybody was sick in the house
147:58 but me and I was like hm this ISD I had
148:01 two days where I when I was working out
148:03 I felt kind of weak maybe that's because
148:05 of your horse paste could be I wasn't
148:07 even taking horse Bas at the time um I
148:09 was taking nothing I was just vitamins I
148:11 was constantly doing vitamins and
148:13 nutrients I do I I was doing IV vitamins
148:15 at the time once a week with NAD I was
148:17 very I'm I'm healthy I work out a lot
148:19 but it was this narrative that if you
148:22 around it you're definitely going to get
148:24 it and I was like okay well that's not
148:26 true yeah because I was [ __ ] around
148:28 it and this was back then when everybody
148:30 had it in my family there was no vaccine
148:33 so I was like okay let me see what
148:35 happens and I didn't get it and I was
148:38 like they all got over it and they all
148:40 and then a bunch of my friends got it
148:41 Jamie got it everybody got over it I was
148:43 like this is not what everyone's saying
148:44 everyone's saying it's a death sentence
148:46 like this is [ __ ] weird this whole
148:48 thing is weird and then um I eventually
148:52 got sick because I was touring and I was
148:55 doing Arenas and I was like traveling
148:56 around and wasn't that bad it was like
148:59 one day I felt real sick it's likeold
149:02 two days later I made that video and CNN
149:04 turned my face green and I saw that it
149:07 was nuts so that to me was fascinating
149:10 to be the subject of a scop was
149:13 fascinating I the day that I saw I was
149:17 on Twitter or something and I saw
149:18 someone did a side by side
149:20 original aired when it when you were
149:24 like greened listen man if I was really
149:26 sick I would tell everybody hey man this
149:28 is for real I'm really [ __ ] sick like
149:30 uh this is really scary because I'm very
149:32 healthy I very rarely get sick and I'm
149:35 [ __ ] real sick like do your best get
149:37 vaccinated do whatever you got to do but
149:39 I was like this is weird because this is
149:41 not what everybody said it was going to
149:43 be this is not this death sentence 3
149:45 Days Later 6 days later I'm working out
149:47 with 100% energy had no problems at all
149:51 I did 10 Rounds on the bag 6 days later
149:53 just to see I was like let's see I feel
149:55 great like let's see how I feel like
149:56 endurance wise it was 100% I felt
149:59 totally normal 6 days later so like this
150:01 is what we shut the [ __ ] world down
150:03 for and didn't tell anybody to get
150:06 healthier didn't tell anybody about
150:07 vitamin D I was very fortunate that I
150:09 had a very good doctor who is very into
150:11 nutrition very into supplementation and
150:14 he was prescribing me coratin and zinc
150:17 and you want to be really up on all your
150:20 vitamin C and D and and D3 and make sure
150:23 that you take it with K2 and magnesium
150:25 like he was on the ball so I was on the
150:27 ball and I was like okay why don't we
150:29 tell people this and how come everyone's
150:31 mad at me why you mad at me for getting
150:34 healthy this is crazy yeah it was
150:36 fascinating to watch that scop it was
150:38 that was the weirdest thing to watch it
150:41 turned on me you yeah you became the
150:44 media the like the the medium that they
150:47 used for the scop and I can't imagine
150:49 how that feels it was weird it was weird
150:51 but I was also getting a lot of support
150:53 too it was it wasn't all um people mad
150:57 at me there was a lot of people mad at
150:58 me but I just stayed off social media
151:00 but there was also a lot of people that
151:02 were supporting me like hey what about
151:04 why is he healthy like why is he okay
151:06 how come how come you know this 54 year
151:09 old guy didn't just drop dead like you
151:11 said everybody was going to yeah why is
151:13 he making a video three days later it
151:14 feels great the [ __ ] going on and I I
151:19 will will tell you man I put have a
151:21 YouTube video on my channel that is
151:24 anti- cops like how to spot scops in
151:27 action and I copied that video that they
151:29 made I made a very very similar intro
151:32 but the moment that I saw one doctor on
151:37 YouTube had to not use this was at the
151:40 very beginning he had to not use that
151:42 word he couldn't say certain words on
151:44 YouTube like vaccine all stuff I was
151:46 like 100% this is yeah this is well all
151:50 the algorithms were searching for it so
151:52 people would spell vax like V and then
151:55 they would use like a dash and then an X
151:58 you know they would do something to try
152:00 to skirt around the algorithm yeah so
152:03 and and then why is that's the one thing
152:06 is is someone credible being suppressed
152:09 is a credible person being suppressed
152:11 and then when you see it tenfold 100
152:13 people all these people that are being
152:15 suppressed if your idea is good nobody
152:19 has to be Qui and then it's going to
152:20 catch on its own also the the C the
152:24 counter to that is if your idea is bad
152:26 you can't just force it through people
152:28 are going to figure it out eventually
152:30 they're going to realize eventually if
152:31 you keep calling this stuff horse paste
152:33 veterinary medicine and people are going
152:35 to find out oh wait a minute it actually
152:37 won the Nobel Prize the the inventor of
152:39 it for humans for use in humans and
152:42 actually it's on the World Health
152:43 Organization list of essential medicines
152:45 actually it's been prescribed billions
152:48 not millions billions of times like what
152:51 the [ __ ] is going on where you're saying
152:52 this is Hors paced 50 plus 100 years
152:55 it's been around quite a long time and
152:57 it has a incredible safety profile which
153:00 was the wildest thing about them going
153:02 Allin and calling it horse paace cuz
153:04 like you are doing this at the expense
153:07 of your credibility for people who just
153:08 want short-term profits and you're
153:10 you're killing your business your
153:12 business is people want to believe you
153:15 when you're talking about the news and
153:17 now they don't yeah
153:20 they don't over something really stupid
153:22 well you could have just ignored me you
153:24 didn't have to do that you could have
153:25 just ignored me yeah it probably would
153:27 have had very little effect but then my
153:30 video probably would have had very
153:31 little effect people probably wouldn't
153:32 have believed me oh yeah bet he feels
153:33 like [ __ ] and he's lying that would have
153:34 been fine yeah but instead they went all
153:37 in and too many people were paying
153:38 attention to it and by that time too
153:40 many people had already had Co and
153:41 gotten over it and going what the [ __ ]
153:43 is going on and then there was the whole
153:45 thing where they were saying you had to
153:46 get vaccinated even if you had suffered
153:49 from Co and recovered where you had
153:51 natural immunity that was proven to be
153:53 seven times stronger it was a pure scop
153:57 yeah so and the big thing there was when
154:00 I when I can make fun of Joe Rogan and
154:02 like I can shame Joe Rogan if I could do
154:05 that to you one of the one of the more
154:08 popular guys in the country especially
154:09 when it comes to Media then I can I can
154:12 I can just make that a trickle down
154:14 compliance effect where I can get
154:16 millions of people to comply because if
154:18 they're going to do that to Rogan there
154:20 that might happen to me well I'm sure it
154:21 worked I'm sure it worked I'm sure a lot
154:23 of people complied after they saw that
154:26 they saw those attacks and you know I
154:28 met a lot of people that would accuse me
154:30 of spreading misinformation like what
154:31 did I say tell me what I said yeah what
154:33 was misinformation what was wrong and
154:36 they can't even tell you they didn't
154:37 even know what they were just like
154:38 saying something because you were there
154:40 like they they felt like they had to say
154:41 that it was a a fascinating time and um
154:46 what's interesting is coming out of that
154:49 now you know the country coming out of
154:51 that now I think people are way more
154:53 skeptical way more skeptical of
154:55 believing the media and way more
154:57 skeptical believing the government way
154:59 more skeptical I think that was a huge
155:02 mistake for short-term profits I think
155:05 they still would have made a ton of
155:06 money a lot of people were scared they
155:07 would have taken it anyway they lied
155:09 about all the [ __ ] studies anyway
155:10 they they they were doing well they but
155:14 they sacrificed their ability to do this
155:16 in the future yeah they gave their hand
155:20 I don't know who said this quote man but
155:23 it's I think it's the best quote about
155:24 Society is like a society that grows is
155:27 when men and it's an old quote but men
155:30 plant trees whose shade they will never
155:34 enjoy thinking about the future and not
155:37 this this one little spike in profit and
155:39 that's when a society flourishes when
155:41 we're when we're doing that kind of
155:43 stuff well I think it's essentially a a
155:46 symptom of a system that's been captured
155:48 right it's the the media works for them
155:52 because they support the media
155:53 financially you know um uh c means has
155:57 talked about this that the reason why
156:01 they sponsor so many uh television shows
156:04 is not that they want to sell more drugs
156:07 it's to keep those shows from
156:09 criticizing
156:10 them that's terrifying it is terrifying
156:13 it's terrifying that it's effective and
156:15 it works and that we're one of only two
156:17 countries on Earth that allows them to
156:20 advertise pharmaceutical drugs yeah
156:22 because we know the commercials are Sops
156:26 propaganda I mean mean when you see that
156:28 lady and she's dancing with her daughter
156:30 in the field and they're spinning around
156:32 circles and now she's happy and
156:34 everything's great and but you're
156:35 [ __ ] depressed and you're at home
156:36 you're like oh I want the music to play
156:39 I want to be dancing in the field I want
156:40 to be at the cookout with all the fellas
156:42 having a good old time that look I can't
156:44 do that with myasis yeah I can't do that
156:46 with whatever I'm on what whatever's
156:48 wrong with me give me give me what got
156:49 and get me into that commercial yeah and
156:52 it it's effective It's very effective
156:54 they've been doing this for a long time
156:56 and they've got a Playbook written by
156:58 Edward bernes of all people wrote this
157:00 book and the book's called crystallizing
157:02 public opinion and he and you can see it
157:06 in every one of these operations and
157:07 it's a short book you can read it in
157:09 like two
157:10 hours every one of these things follows
157:13 that Playbook of zops which makes sense
157:15 why he would change the name of the
157:16 Department of War to the Department of
157:18 Defense yeah like it's way more
157:20 palatable yeah he's also the reason that
157:23 bacon became part of American breakfast
157:25 well kudos to him for that because that
157:27 was a good move yeah bac's pretty solid
157:31 funny he was Sigman Freud's nephew
157:34 whoa yeah what if they did Coke together
157:39 the the father of propaganda is Sigman
157:44 Freud's relative nephew that's crazy
157:47 Sigman Freud helped raise this guy so
157:49 did you his book oh yeah what does it
157:51 say in there so essentially it is it's
157:54 capturing a mass public attention and
157:58 making the desired outcome about
158:00 identity belonging and being part of a
158:02 tribe so to give you an example uh
158:06 Virginia Slims hired him to say like hey
158:10 it's just men that are smoking our
158:11 cigarettes and he's like yeah well women
158:14 need to smoke you want women to smoke
158:15 them like yeah let's do it so he
158:17 launches this thing called torches of
158:19 freedom are you familiar with this yeah
158:20 you were telling me about it oh my God
158:23 just a bring a photo of this if you can
158:25 cuz it's I'm getting excited about this
158:28 um it just these people were compromised
158:32 in such a crazy way so he says women are
158:35 told not to smoke so he goes
158:38 against all of this stuff at at the
158:41 beginning women are told not to smoke
158:42 everybody tells you you can't smoke in
158:44 public this is about women's rights has
158:46 nothing to do with cigarettes so
158:50 he organized this massive women's right
158:52 movement an ancient Prejudice has been
158:55 removed isn't it just look at the the
158:58 [ __ ] chain American
159:02 intelligence look at that the chain says
159:05 American intelligence around the wrist
159:07 Lucky Strike
159:09 cigarettes that's so weird I'm sorry
159:11 yeah it wasn't just Virginia Slims it
159:13 was big
159:14 tobacco there's a picture of the Torches
159:16 of Freedom cooking that one with the
159:18 lady right there while
159:20 cursor keep a slender figure that one
159:22 believe in
159:24 yourself that's an updated meme I don't
159:26 know what that oh is it is it fake it
159:28 seems like it the font's totally
159:29 different meme font don't test one brand
159:31 alone compare them
159:33 all yeah so they can't advertise
159:36 cigarettes anymore right isn't that the
159:39 rule not on TV I don't know about can
159:41 they do it in magazines I can they still
159:43 remember the mobro man didn't he die at
159:45 cancer I don't know bu his magazines
159:46 remember the marro man yeah [ __ ]
159:48 everybody wanted to be that dude yeah
159:49 he's like the original John Dutton denim
159:51 jacket yeah out there on the Range
159:53 looking all rugged I wish I was him you
159:56 know cigarette ads are restricted in
159:58 magazines in the United States but are
160:00 still present in some magazines so like
160:03 federal law limits tobacco advertising
160:06 in magazines and on billboards however
160:08 tobacco companies can advertise in
160:09 magazines that have at least 85% adult
160:11 readers oh so
160:14 porn so it's like Playboy right it's
160:17 mostly adults mostly adults us cigarette
160:22 sorry you read that yeah what does it
160:24 say us cigarette giant starts
160:26 advertising again in magazines millions
160:28 of young readers oh 2013 oh that's
160:33 Britain yeah that's so I mean do you
160:37 think advertising should be legal it's a
160:39 weird thing right I think about
160:41 sometimes when I read my Spotify ads
160:42 which is why I don't I I say no to a lot
160:45 of things that um want to advertise like
160:48 some things come across wait whoa whoaa
160:50 what is that what is that is that real
160:51 is that is that legit is this funky is
160:54 that a good product is this is this
160:55 anything I whatever you this sounds like
160:57 [ __ ] you know so I want to make sure
161:00 is this something that I would use is
161:02 this something legitimate because
161:05 advertising is kind of creepy it is but
161:08 but it's not if it's cool like if you're
161:10 doing an ad for a Corvette ZR1 I could
161:12 do an ad for a ZR1 I'll tell you that
161:14 [ __ ] thing is the [ __ ] it's amazing
161:17 like you should know that if you get in
161:19 one of those things and drive it will be
161:21 [ __ ] incredible that's real like it's
161:23 a solid product it's a real thing like I
161:26 could feel good about that ad because I
161:29 know that's a real awesome piece of
161:31 engineering and and technology that
161:33 they've created yeah but if it's not
161:36 like if you're trying to convince
161:38 people some shady [ __ ] Yeah It's Tricky
161:42 and that's the thing like everybody
161:44 wants to regulate or deregulate things
161:47 like let's make this D
161:50 illegal but you're not you can't
161:52 regulate Health anymore than you can
161:54 regulate morality it's like when they
161:56 made alcohol legal everybody just went
161:58 into right so instead of making you have
162:00 to inform the public instead of restric
162:02 them like you're not going to
162:04 regulate morality and and good decisions
162:07 and it just won't happen you have to get
162:10 like we have to stand on freedom and
162:11 then educate like maybe there needs to
162:12 be a cigarette warning label and like
162:14 whatever is putting these die and stuff
162:16 like which I'm not educated on but all
162:18 this like chemicals and stuff in the
162:19 foods may need a label instead of a
162:21 regulation right so maybe that's that's
162:24 the ticket I don't think there's a right
162:26 answer it's like so many of these issues
162:28 it's there's no right answer about
162:30 everything I mean did the ads on
162:32 cigarettes where they show like may
162:34 cause cancer may cause a little birth
162:36 did that even put a dent in the amount
162:38 of people that smoke cigarettes no but
162:40 it made a it may have but it made a
162:42 better informed public like at least you
162:45 knew it yeah you're doing you're
162:46 willingly now taking the poison right
162:50 right and you should be able to just
162:52 like you should be able to eat junk food
162:53 like when people talk about like getting
162:55 rid of Doritos or making them change the
162:57 thing like hey hold up Doritos as they
163:00 are are [ __ ] amazing just don't eat
163:02 them every day stupid you should eat
163:04 them like knowing this is just mouth
163:07 pleasure I'm going to just have some
163:09 [ __ ] delicious Cool Ranch Doritos
163:12 they're not good for you they not
163:13 pretend to be good for you you're not
163:14 supposed to eat them for nutrition
163:16 dumbass this is like mouth Recreation
163:19 that's what that is it's not really food
163:21 are you going to feel like [ __ ]
163:22 afterwards yeah if you eat the whole bag
163:24 are you going to get sick well if you
163:26 eat them every day all day you'll get
163:27 sick don't do that have them every now
163:30 and then you're watching a movie open up
163:32 a bag of Doritos what's the big [ __ ]
163:33 deal not a big deal the only thing
163:35 that's going to happen if you make it
163:36 illegal is they'll just slap a label on
163:38 it says for external use only put it
163:41 right Doritos but it's just one of those
163:44 things was like I don't think you should
163:45 tell people they can't have things that
163:47 aren't healthy for them cuz there's a
163:48 lot of things like cookies and cake and
163:50 [ __ ] it's just not [ __ ] healthy for
163:53 you are you going to kill the baking
163:54 industry like that's dumb that doesn't
163:57 make any sense to me like you should
163:58 just know what you're doing you should
164:01 and unfortunately a lot of people don't
164:03 a lot of people aren't very educated as
164:05 far as food give your throat a
164:07 vacation God smoke a fresh cigarette cam
164:12 unfiltered camels they're [ __ ]
164:14 they're the
164:15 worst oh my God go did you see that that
164:18 second pair C of that what no what it
164:20 say it's a there's a peppery stuff in
164:22 other tobaccos that stays in your throat
164:24 oh it's the peppery dust left in tobacco
164:28 by inefficient cleaning methods that
164:29 makes you cough they're actually
164:31 advertising this the the cellophane on
164:33 the pack to keep it's keeping it more
164:35 fresh of course it is Jamie the humid or
164:38 there's no stale crumbly parch tobacco
164:41 the fine Turkish and Mild domestic
164:43 tobaccos of which camels are Blended
164:45 come to you in prime factory fresh
164:48 condition thank thanks to the humidor
164:50 pack it's basically humodor the last one
164:53 give your throat a vacation switch to
164:55 camels for just one day then leave them
164:58 if you can sounds like Fredo LS they
165:00 knew yeah you can't eat just one pop two
165:02 stop all that stuff is Pringles I that's
165:06 both of them there that's a lot of them
165:07 you bet you can't eat just one yeah
165:09 they're good they're good just don't eat
165:11 them every day stupid one of these but
165:13 if they take [ __ ] potato chips off
165:15 the shelf if they take Ruffles off the
165:17 shelf I'm going to be pissed or if okay
165:19 all right leave all that garbage up
165:21 there leave Coca-Cola up there let them
165:23 have it you can't regulate good
165:25 decisions no but you should know what
165:27 you're doing but if you know what you're
165:29 doing you take care of yourself it's not
165:31 bad to have cake every now and then yeah
165:33 a little bit of cake I completely agree
165:36 um but there's a lot of value in what
165:39 you're teaching and what you're
165:41 explaining to people and I think if more
165:43 people
165:44 understand how psychological
165:47 manipulation is used they'll be less
165:49 vulnerable yeah to it and I think one of
165:52 the things that that the first things
165:53 that we teach people is called the
165:55 firewall illusion so like if you went to
165:59 Best Buy today and like picked up a
166:00 laptop and I was like Joe you should get
166:02 the antiviral or whatever software there
166:05 and you like no I don't believe in
166:06 viruses I'm immune to
166:10 it that is that's a problem so if you
166:13 believe you can't be persuaded by these
166:16 things if you believe that social media
166:18 can't can't persuade me doesn't work on
166:20 me bro you are the suggestable person
166:22 like your brain versus A1 trillion
166:25 computer you're going to lose I'm going
166:28 to lose and I can spot all of the things
166:30 and I'm still going to lose what do you
166:31 think is the biggest impact in terms of
166:34 social media on the way people
166:37 think rephrase that what the like social
166:40 media obviously is having some sort of
166:42 psychological manipulation on people
166:44 yeah what do you think the biggest
166:45 impact is having on people other than
166:47 the theft of your time tribal confusion
166:51 so I get to automatically I don't have
166:54 to hack your brain I don't have to
166:55 convince you of anything all I have to
166:57 do is tell you a whole shitload of
166:59 people believe this one thing and all
167:01 that is it may not get you to Keel over
167:04 right away but it gets you to say wow
167:05 it's it's starting to become a pretty
167:07 popular idea I'm going to start to
167:08 entertain it might start entertaining
167:10 that so technology is outpaced our
167:12 brain's ability to adapt period we
167:15 cannot adapt our brains are were haven't
167:17 changed in 200 ,000 years if I can trick
167:21 the mammal part of your brain that
167:22 doesn't even speak English not even
167:25 English so all I have to do is get the
167:28 human part of your brain to translate
167:29 what I'm seeing what you're seeing on
167:31 the phone into an image in your mamalian
167:33 brain and think that there is it's brand
167:35 new something weird that you're not
167:37 haven't seen before like on does that
167:39 sound familiar on social media sure
167:41 weird unusual oh yeah novelty generates
167:43 Focus then there's an authority because
167:46 you're thinking a lot this thing has 97
167:48 ,000 likes in the last hour or whatever
167:51 Authority tribe tribe is there it's
167:54 built into the likes and then a lot of
167:56 bots in the comments that agree with it
167:57 and chime in and yeah can't believe he's
168:00 doing this what a narcissist all that
168:02 kind of stuff um I've got I've got a
168:04 hold I've put a leash around your
168:07 mamelon brain and people don't realize
168:09 how fast it happens how fast that stuff
168:12 can happen what do you think like if I'm
168:15 doing if I'm having you on social media
168:17 for 16 hours a day which is like I think
168:19 11 hours is like a a common number for
168:22 people kids especially if I've got you
168:25 for 16 hours with Advanced algorithms
168:29 and Technology designed to manipulate
168:31 you
168:32 specifically and in 1972 they could talk
168:35 someone into murder in 45
168:38 minutes if you just imagine what's
168:42 possible and know that governments are
168:44 utilizing that that that's a it's not
168:47 just people's opin opions and it's not
168:49 just groups of people that are trying to
168:51 convince other people to think the way
168:52 they think it's actual governments that
168:55 are involved in trying to manipulate
168:58 narratives yeah and it's if you and if
169:01 you're thinking it's a left and a right
169:03 issue that's also you may be a victim
169:07 yeah that's a big one it's not this Us
169:10 Versus Them [ __ ] is nonsense most people
169:12 aren't even left or right most people
169:14 just have a conglomeration of opinions
169:15 that they've sort of accepted as their
169:17 own yeah and and I mean JFK got killed
169:21 for saying stuff like that like it's not
169:23 left it's not right let's bring this
169:25 together let's incorruption all these
169:27 plans we're going to release all these
169:28 files all these documents I'm not you
169:30 probably you've had experts on here
169:32 about that stuff well I don't know
169:34 what's going on and we won't know really
169:36 until these files actually get released
169:38 and what's going to be in them what the
169:40 [ __ ] are they what is it going to say we
169:41 did it when is that going to happen do
169:42 you know I don't know cash Patel's in
169:44 you know um he going to do it we'll see
169:46 he apparently wants to I mean I think
169:49 there's probably a lot of sorting
169:50 through to figure out what to say and
169:52 how to say it and what to release I feel
169:54 like they should just release it all and
169:55 let the internet
169:57 hounds go at it let them figure out
169:59 they're the best at it anyway and
170:01 they're the most psychotic they'll
170:02 [ __ ] they'll be working 16 hours a
170:04 day until they figure it all out yeah
170:06 you know so let me tell you when it when
170:08 it comes to all these beliefs formation
170:09 I'll tell you the formula for hypnosis
170:12 okay and this I don't think anybody's
170:13 ever said this I've never said it out
170:15 loud not even in my
170:16 training it's enhanced level of focus
170:20 and then micro compliances so like if
170:23 I'm uh have you seen the street
170:24 performers that would hypnotize somebody
170:26 in a bar or like you know like to do
170:29 something silly or maybe they're helping
170:31 them so the first step is like if I'm
170:33 hypnotizing you and it's in a social
170:35 setting the first couple of steps are
170:37 all right come over here now stand to
170:38 the left now move your legs just a
170:39 little bit further now spread them
170:40 further apart so you have some balance
170:42 all right just make sure you have some
170:43 range of motion go ahead and put your
170:44 arms out on none of those are meaningful
170:48 right they're all meaningless all I'm
170:50 doing is get you to comply comply comply
170:52 comply and that's just the first like 30
170:55 seconds I've got you to comply with me
170:56 15 times we haven't even started the
170:59 hypnosis thing
171:00 yet and so it's just you're you're not
171:03 aware that you're becoming compliant you
171:06 just think I'm going through some
171:07 motions but it's just hijacking the
171:10 mammal brain yeah so it's compliance
171:12 compliance compliance and then it's just
171:13 like go ahead and stare over there I
171:15 want you to look at that light up there
171:16 I want you to just focus on that light
171:18 up there and just let everything go so
171:21 it's just a lot of Focus right and I and
171:25 I'll say something like I can already
171:26 tell been doing this for 20 years you're
171:27 going to be really good at this and
171:28 everything's going to be just fine
171:29 you'll be able to hear my voice the
171:30 whole time it's not a coma you'll be
171:32 able to stand and maintain Perfect
171:33 Balance you'll be completely okay
171:36 Authority yeah and no matter what
171:39 happens you're going to walk out of this
171:40 a better person everybody's going to
171:41 respect you more and and I'll frame it
171:44 as like uh us hypnotists call the
171:47 ability to go into hypnosis unconscious
171:49 intelligence but I'll only say that if
171:51 you're an intelligence person so if
171:53 you're a significance driven person I'll
171:55 say we call this unconscious
171:58 power this ability to go into hypnosis
172:00 so I'll make it about your identity
172:02 right away yeah and then there's an
172:04 increase in dissociation like there's
172:06 one part of you doing this one part of
172:07 you doing that so that's like the
172:09 induction where they're saying oh every
172:10 all the way down that kind of stuff yeah
172:13 but that's if you look at social media
172:15 the final step of hypnosis is
172:17 fractionation
172:19 out a slightly out of Trance back in and
172:21 every time you go back down into that
172:23 trance you go deeper you you go if you
172:26 put an EEG on someone's head and you I
172:28 think you've had Dr David spel on uh
172:30 here before or you've at least had
172:32 Darren Brown yeah I've had Darren Brown
172:33 on um they've done studies on this like
172:36 this fractionation process increases the
172:38 amount of theta waves that are going on
172:40 in your brain which is the theta waves
172:41 of hypnosis so from the ages of 1 to8
172:44 give or take your brain is in Theta like
172:46 80% of the day that's why we learn so
172:49 fast and we we can do all that stuff so
172:52 up and down up and down and if you go
172:54 back the next time for anybody watching
172:56 this the next time you start scrolling
172:58 through social media I want you to watch
173:01 how that it's going to Peak a positive
173:04 experience for two or three videos in a
173:06 row and it's going to start going
173:08 downhill and it's going to go back up
173:10 and it's going to go downhill and every
173:12 ad that you see the algorithm doesn't do
173:15 this on purpose the algorithm does it
173:16 because it's effective every time you
173:18 see and AD is going to be at at one of
173:20 those down
173:22 troughs they're not going to spike you
173:24 up and have you feel good like with that
173:26 guy putting on the color glasses that
173:28 was color blind and he can see and he's
173:30 crying and all that they're not going to
173:31 show you an ad after that they'll show
173:32 you an ad at the bottom it's every
173:34 time and I don't think that's programmed
173:37 into the algorithm I think the algorithm
173:39 adapted because that is the effective
173:41 way to do it
173:43 Jesus listen here's your book Behavior
173:47 Ops this is a fat book dude there's a
173:49 lot going on in here it's all indexed
173:53 and um is this available everywhere yeah
173:56 Amazon and uh my website what is the
173:58 website NCI do University all right well
174:02 thank you man it was very interesting
174:04 fun fun conversation appreciate
174:06 appreciate all right bye everybody
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