0:28 Uh-huh. Mhm.
0:35 You know that feeling when when you get
0:37 on the roller coaster and the bars come
0:39 down and you get locked in and you're
0:40 like, "Ah crap, it's really happening."
0:41 You know what I mean?
0:43 >> I got that just when the splash screen
0:44 came up.
0:47 >> I was sat down. I just stretched and I
0:48 was like, "All right, let's get into it.
0:50 It'll be great." And then the splash
0:52 like, "Oh crap, it actually it actually
0:54 is beginning, isn't it?"
0:56 >> Yeah. It's a You know what? I'm I'm set.
0:59 I'm seated. I'm ready to go. I'm will
1:00 the way that I'm going to get through
1:02 this is one with sheer grit and
1:04 enthusiasm and two I'm just going to
1:06 keep drinking coffee. I'm gonna keep I'm
1:07 going to drink coffee. Here's how here's
1:09 how I'm doing it. You can do it however
1:11 you want but I do recommend playing this
1:13 way at home if you're at home following
1:16 along. Drink coffee till 4, switch to beer.
1:17 beer. >> Yeah,
1:17 >> Yeah,
1:19 >> that's what I'm doing today. I'm
1:20 drinking coffee till 4 and then I'm
1:22 switching to booze. And it's going to be
1:23 very very fun. I'll drink very slowly
1:25 cuz I'm a I'm a huge lightweight. But
1:27 you know, I've never seen that intro before.
1:28 before.
1:29 >> I've never done cuz I
1:31 >> No, I've seen that intro. >> Really?
1:33 >> Really?
1:34 >> I've never seen it.
1:36 >> That's great. Yeah, that's great.
1:37 >> We're talking about you.
1:39 >> I'm going to do the exact same thing.
1:41 >> I didn't realize I assume we were
1:43 talking about me because I'm here, but
1:46 like I don't know. I I tell you, I I'm
1:47 gonna do the exact same thing only I'm
1:50 I've got tea. I've got a whole mini
1:52 fridge full of teas over here and I'm
1:54 just going to be chugging these all day long.
1:56 long.
1:58 >> How wholesome. How wholesome. You're
1:59 like I'm doing the same thing but
2:02 without chemicals in both drinks. For me
2:05 it's like one chemical in the morning,
2:07 switch chemicals in the evening.
2:09 >> I've got a small amount of caffeine
2:10 here. I I can work with that. Just
2:12 caffeine doesn't like
2:14 >> doesn't do much for me. It just makes me
2:16 feel empty inside.
2:16 >> I don't know.
2:20 >> Oh, me too. Me too. Don't get me wrong.
2:22 I also feel empty inside. But the thing
2:23 is, it's like um there used to be this
2:25 viral video that I would see every now
2:27 and again. It show up on Reddit. It was
2:29 like the impact of addiction and the way
2:30 that it show it was like this little
2:32 kiwi bird that like sips from sips from
2:34 the delicious.
2:35 Yes. Yes.
2:37 >> Yeah. And then eventually it's like it
2:39 has to sip from the fluid just to feel
2:41 normal. And it's like that's how I am
2:44 with coffee. I feel not in I want to
2:45 clear not in a millennial way, you know?
2:47 Yeah, it's not like a or I'm not myself
2:49 till I get my coffee. It's more like a
2:51 if I don't drink my coffee, I feel a
2:53 little bit bad because I'm going through
2:56 withdrawal. So, so I do like to have a
2:57 little coffee in the morning to feel
2:59 normal. But, you know, it's a very
3:00 healthy relationship. >> I
3:02 >> I
3:04 I have become addicted to caffeine
3:05 before a couple of times and it always
3:08 is. It's weird. It's weird getting off.
3:10 It's a cool interaction in yourselves.
3:11 We'll talk about it here in a minute.
3:13 Uh, but just for everybody out there,
3:14 uh, people who want to want to know
3:17 what's going on. Uh, welcome to this
3:19 show that you are currently watching,
3:21 I'm Forest, that's Erica. Uh, we are
3:23 both biologists and we are here to take
3:27 your questions about evolution. Uh, if
3:29 you are a creationist, if you don't
3:31 believe in evolution, if you don't think
3:32 evolution is a real thing, if you think
3:34 that micro evolution makes sense but
3:36 macro evolution doesn't, if you don't
3:38 think that random mutations can make
3:40 something as complicated as an eyeball,
3:42 if you don't understand how there are
3:43 still monkeys if humans came from
3:46 monkeys, if you don't understand why we
3:48 have such faith in Charles Darwin, if
3:50 you want to know why we use this
3:53 religion to replace another religion, if
3:55 you believe in any of the things that We
3:57 hear all the time out of places like the
3:59 Discovery Institute and Answers in
4:00 Genesis and other pseudocience
4:02 organizations that try to convince
4:05 people that the most robust theory in
4:08 the history of biology, the single
4:10 grounding principle upon which all
4:12 biological sciences are built. If you
4:14 want to understand why the crap they say
4:16 about the things that we study for a
4:19 living are indeed nonsense, this is your
4:20 chance to pick up the phone and have
4:22 serious conversations with people who
4:24 actually study this crap for a living.
4:26 Rather than just continuing to believe
4:29 your preacher, your pastor, or godamn
4:31 Calvin Smith, you can now pick up the
4:33 phone and put your hard-hitting
4:36 questions to people who actually study
4:38 this stuff day in and day out and teach
4:40 it on the internet for a living. the
4:41 number on the bottom of the screen 7206192288
4:42 7206192288
4:44 or use the web link in the description.
4:47 And I will also say that it's not just
4:50 creationists who are welcome. All
4:51 science deniers are welcome.
4:54 Flatearthers, antivaxers, transphobes,
4:57 climate change deniers, chemtrails, you
4:59 want to talk about it, this is your
5:01 chance to talk about it. If you want to
5:03 tell us why you don't think that it
5:05 makes any sense that the earth is
5:06 getting warmer when it was literally
5:09 cold last week and it snowed last year.
5:11 If you want to tell us how sex and
5:12 gender are the same thing and there's
5:15 only boys and girls and boys like girls
5:17 and that's the natural order. If you
5:19 want to tell us how vaccines can change
5:23 your DNA and cause the autisms and all
5:25 sorts of other stuff. If you want to
5:28 tell us about why you don't believe in
5:31 the foundational principles of science,
5:34 except for when you think they do, they
5:35 they they make sense. They back up your
5:37 claims that you researched on the
5:39 toilet, whatever it may be. Like, this
5:41 is the chance to be serious. This is the
5:43 chance to crawl out of the comment
5:45 section and actually talk to people who
5:47 are willing to have these conversations
5:49 in a real freaking way. We are as nice
5:51 as you are. As long as you're pleasant,
5:54 we'll be pleasant. Uh that's we we we
5:56 try to be patient. We try to be kind. Uh
5:58 as I sit here and and make jokes and
6:00 straw men about their beliefs. Yeah, it
6:02 is all just for fun. Uh this is your
6:05 chance to call in and be real for a
6:07 minute. Have serious conversations with
6:08 serious people. The number again on the
6:10 bottom of the screen 7206192288
6:13 or use the web link in the description.
6:15 >> Can you imagine Can you imagine if we
6:18 sat here and we we we get the line and
6:20 it's Kelvin Smith on the line. Can you
6:22 imagine if we got a call from Calvin
6:25 Smith, the man himself that the perhaps
6:27 even the era apparent to Answers in
6:29 Genesis regular? Maybe he maybe he moves
6:31 on up from Answers in Genesis Canada.
6:33 That would be really incredible. I would
6:34 love it if Calvin Smith would call.
6:36 However, I know he's not. I know we're
6:37 never going to get a call from a guy
6:40 like that. So, as Forest said,
6:42 >> if you're a creationist, if you're a
6:43 pseudocientist of any variety, we're
6:45 talking ancient aliens. We're talking
6:48 about um antiaxers, transphobes, we're
6:50 talking about climate change deniers,
6:51 we're talking about intelligent design
6:53 advocates, we're talking about
6:55 creationists of all stripes, please call
6:58 in. And then I will add too um if you
7:01 have like a specific variety of any of
7:02 those that that you'd like to call in
7:04 and and check with or just like a
7:06 concept within it, you know, if you're
7:07 I'm familiar with the creationist side
7:08 of things. So it's like you want to call
7:10 in and talk about genetic entropy or why
7:11 you think the human chromosome 2 fusion
7:13 is [ __ ] or you want to call and talk
7:15 about design mutability or created
7:18 hetererozygosity or any oities or
7:20 ologies that you have made up in order
7:22 to support creationism. Please please
7:24 please call in. I would love to talk
7:26 about that. I know Forest would as well
7:29 with you and and friendly offer as well.
7:31 If you just if you had a weird
7:32 experience, if you saw a crypted, if you
7:34 had a ghost experience, if you had an
7:36 alien experience and you you think that
7:38 it's legit and you just want to call in
7:40 and like chat about that with two people
7:43 who are going to be skeptical, please
7:45 call in and talk about that, too. I
7:46 think that is the most fun kind of call
7:48 to get. I I love when someone calls in
7:49 and they're like, "Brother, I saw the
7:52 Moth Man and he he squeezed my ass." You
7:55 know, like, call in. Tell us about your
7:56 bizarre experience. We want to talk
7:57 about that kind of thing, too.
8:00 >> Um, we're excited. I believe that
8:03 >> it's a spooky season and and I'm doing I
8:05 I texted Forest before this and I was
8:06 like, "Are we doing a gimmick?"
8:08 >> And Forest was like, "We're the
8:09 gimmick." And I was like, "That's true,
8:11 but but I'm doing another gimmick and I
8:13 want you guys to know what it is. I have
8:16 been doing this art project for the
8:18 month of October where I have this
8:21 wonderful little spooky looking cat
8:24 sculpture that I've named Enoch. And
8:25 when I was putting him away last year
8:27 for the Halloween season, his little
8:29 witch hat broke off, which is so sad to
8:31 me. And so what I decided to do was use
8:33 the witch hat where it was as like a
8:34 candle holder. And so I've started
8:36 melting candles on the top of Enoch.
8:38 Enoch is here. Let me pull him. He's
8:40 already lit. So let me pull him into the
8:42 into view for you. This is my beautiful
8:44 Enoch. And here's his little face. And
8:45 I've been burning candles.
8:47 >> I've been burning candles on the top of
8:49 him. And to make him a little spookier.
8:50 There you go. You can see it's currently
8:52 burning. And so what I thought would be
8:53 kind of fun is, you know, they don't
8:55 make candles like they used to. So what
8:57 I'm thinking is I'm just going to burn
8:58 candles the whole time we're on today.
9:01 And I want to see how much Enoch changes
9:03 from his current position uh to to the
9:06 end. I've got like five candles off
9:07 here. I don't think we're going to get
9:09 through five, but they're short candles,
9:11 so we might. The the sad part is I went
9:13 to Walmart specifically for candles
9:16 prior to this, and they only had white
9:18 candles. So sweet beloved Enoch is gonna
9:20 look and you know how white candles burn
9:22 and they get that translucent color.
9:23 He's gonna look a little sus by the end
9:24 of the night which is very
9:26 >> especially with the with the with the
9:28 conical nature of what's already there.
9:29 He's going to look like a clan member by
9:30 the end of this and it's going to be a problem.
9:31 problem.
9:32 >> I know
9:33 >> I'm a little worried about that myself.
9:36 But the thing is I also have my little
9:38 knife here. This feels like we're doing
9:41 like a like a seance to carve away any
9:43 of the unseammly wax drippings that
9:46 obscure his face. So, it's gonna be
9:47 really fun. We're gonna we're gonna do
9:50 some spooky season stuff. Um I don't
9:53 know. I know Forth has has costumes
9:55 lurking just out of scene. Maybe maybe
9:57 when he gets up to take a [ __ ] or
9:57 something, he'll come back with the
10:00 alien head on. We'll see.
10:02 >> Just have to Yeah. Just just bounce back
10:04 and forth between dumping and silly
10:05 costumes just constantly for the next 10
10:07 hours. It's going to be awesome. I would
10:09 I I tell you though, you have excited me
10:12 with the prospect of like, you know, I I
10:13 know it's not going to happen, but like
10:16 dude, Calvin Smith calling in, Colin
10:18 Wright, uh any of like the famous
10:20 pseudocientists out, I would love that
10:22 call. I would love that. It's a freaking
10:25 James Tour, pick up the phone, give us a
10:27 shout, let's talk.
10:29 >> James T would never. He would never. Rob
10:30 Stadler would never. Rob Carter would
10:32 never. All of the Robs, there's like
10:34 eight Robs. Jeffrey Tomkins would love
10:37 that. Georgia Curtum would love that.
10:40 Um, Andrew Snelling,
10:42 Warer, Bombgardner, like give me any of
10:44 these guys. None of them will. Actually,
10:47 most of them probably aren't like
10:50 online. Like, most of them, you guys
10:51 have probably noticed this, but the
10:53 majority of the creationists are very
10:55 octogenarian loaded, right? Like they're
10:58 aging out. And Ken Ham has been
11:00 lamenting about this actually online on
11:03 social media because where is the next
11:06 generation to replace them? Like the
11:08 young like think about Cal Smith is you
11:10 know he's not like an old guy but he's
11:11 not a spring chicken either.
11:13 >> It's like who's who's going to come and
11:15 replace and become the next generation?
11:17 >> It could be you. If you could slay two
11:20 biologists on live stream today, you
11:21 might be able to that's actually how
11:23 they decide who is going to take
11:25 Kenham's place. So you have to like go
11:26 down the gauntlet of
11:28 >> defeating and genesis is watching right now
11:29 now
11:32 >> waiting for somebody to beat us. That's
11:33 absolutely right.
11:35 >> Now I'm talking I I would take any like
11:37 I I would love a call from any of them.
11:39 I would love a call from any of the
11:41 folks like I I just did a call video
11:44 about Gary Brea guy who calls himself a
11:45 human biologist because he's got a
11:48 biology degree from a a chiropractic
11:50 college and talks about biohacking and
11:52 how you can cure cancer by changing your
11:54 frequencies. would love to talk to that
11:57 dude. Um, uh, Colin Wright, the famous,
12:00 uh, transphobic biologist who
12:02 >> did evolutionary biology and Yeah. and
12:05 now makes his entire career out of
12:06 telling people that he is a a
12:08 credentialed biologist. You should take
12:10 him seriously when he tells you that the
12:12 institutions that gave him his
12:14 credentials cannot be trusted. And
12:16 that's his entire
12:20 um, I would take a call from from uh,
12:22 Jay Dyer. People tell me to talk to that
12:23 dude all the [ __ ] time. That other
12:26 guy, uh, uh, Mark Driscoll, people send
12:28 me his clips all the time. I would love
12:30 a call from any of these people that
12:31 like, I get so many comments, people
12:33 like, "Oh, you you're you're too chicken
12:34 to talk to this person." It's like the
12:36 numbers on the bottom of the screen.
12:38 Let's talk. Let's do it.
12:40 >> No, that that's unbelievable. That's
12:42 actually unreal. No, we host a show
12:43 where you could call ch call and
12:46 challenge us. Like, it doesn't get less
12:48 chicken than that. We host a show where
12:50 you can call in and humiliate us in
12:52 front of thousands of people if you know
12:54 what you're talking about. But the
12:56 problem is no one calls. And the reason
12:58 we don't call
13:00 >> you can
13:03 >> call in and and just bust our tops in
13:04 front of absolutely everybody. This is
13:06 your opportunity. Like again I I just
13:09 can't. There is nothing less cowardly
13:11 than being like I am coming unprepared
13:14 to a debate where you pick the
13:17 the
13:19 come in, defeat us in the marketplace of ideas.
13:21 ideas. >> Anyways,
13:21 >> Anyways,
13:23 >> it's wild. It is the marketplace of
13:25 ideas. Uh I will say this really quick
13:27 before we get started. Uh because we
13:28 already have looks like two callers on
13:30 the line right now. Um just so everybody
13:34 knows, we have eight lines open. Uh so
13:35 right now already two of them are
13:36 filled. Looks like there's a third one
13:38 who's who's coming in at this moment. Uh
13:40 so at least five lines left. If you call
13:42 in and you get a busy signal or
13:45 whatever, just wait until we're done
13:47 with the call and try again. I guarantee
13:48 we will we will do our best to get to
13:50 everybody. We do prioritize combative
13:51 call. So, if you're calling in with just
13:53 a general question or if you're calling
13:55 to agree with us, heaven forbid, you're
13:57 you're going to be waiting for a while.
13:59 So, I would recommend, you know, waiting
14:00 seeing if this if the vibe is available
14:04 to you. Um, also, uh, as we discussed
14:05 earlier, and I just want to double
14:07 quadruple check before we get started.
14:10 Uh I'm we're going to do a call and then
14:11 we're going to read all the super chats
14:13 from that call and then move. Is that
14:16 that good for everybody? Yeah. Okay.
14:18 >> Uh also because otherwise
14:19 >> you don't we don't have a screener right
14:21 now. So when you guys take in a new
14:23 caller, can you just confirm their
14:25 information like just confirm their name
14:27 and pronouns and stuff?
14:29 >> Absolutely. Absolutely. Be happy to.
14:29 >> Thank you.
14:31 >> Yeah. Uh so I we we will hopefully have
14:34 a screener soon. Uh there was a little
14:36 glitch in our in our giddy up and uh we
14:37 were missing one. But we do have an auto
14:39 screener so you'll talk to a robot when
14:41 you call in and we'll we'll get your
14:44 info. Uh but with that uh do send super
14:46 chats if you want us to read them on the
14:48 screen and we'll do that after every
14:52 call. Uh Erica, my dear friend, are you
14:54 ready to jump in or or do you want to
14:56 bring up another terrifying cat monster
14:57 before we get started?
14:57 >> All right.
14:59 >> No, I'm I was born right.
15:02 >> He's not. He's cute.
15:04 He's adorable. My sweet Enoch.
15:07 >> I'll have to show you. I've got a I've
15:09 got an Enoch of my own, actually, which
15:11 I will show you at some point. I've got
15:13 a a you know, over the garden wall. Right.
15:14 Right.
15:16 >> Of course. That's who he's named after.
15:19 >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I've got I've
15:21 got a lantern that's sitting on my on my
15:23 mantel piece in my in my living room, uh
15:27 which has it's four uh silhouette
15:29 vignettes, I guess it would be. It's got
15:30 a vignettes on each side and one is
15:32 Enoch, one's the beast, one's the
15:35 woodsman, and one's Greg and Wart on.
15:37 And so like it's just like this cool
15:38 like and it's got a little electric
15:39 candle in there so you can like >> it's
15:40 >> it's
15:42 >> we turn it throughout the year. So like
15:44 for spooky times right now for Halloween
15:46 it's got Enoch facing front, but like
15:48 during Christmas it'll be the woodsman
15:49 and like you know we kind of mess it up.
15:50 It's great.
15:52 >> You got to come visit sometime. We'll
15:53 we'll we'll we'll we'll kick it and play
15:55 Jackbox games
15:58 >> before before we start this. My plan is
16:00 actually to go as Enoch for Halloween
16:02 this year. I've got an Enoch theme going
16:05 on. Um, I love the I love the name. It's
16:06 actually very coincidental because I got
16:08 this cat, like I said, two years ago and
16:11 then his hat broke off last year,
16:13 >> but I I I got like the stilts and then
16:16 I've got this I just finished this foam
16:18 pumpkin that I've carved to like be the
16:20 right face that it's it's my mask, you
16:22 know? And you know, it
16:24 >> it smells so bad inside. It's actually
16:26 unreal. I I'm getting cancer being
16:30 within 3 ft of it because the the glue
16:31 that they use, I don't know what's going
16:33 on, but it is finished. And so when I
16:34 get up to get some more coffee, I'll
16:37 come back up and I'll I will dawn it and
16:40 you guys can see pumpkin head pumpkin
16:43 gibbon. It's cool. I think it's cool.
16:44 >> Anyways, I just wanted to say that.
16:46 Let's get started.
16:48 >> [ __ ] yeah.
16:51 >> Hell yeah. All right. Cool. Let's start
16:53 with the person who's been waiting for
16:56 27 minutes to talk to us. Um, I think
16:57 the name is Greg, but again, it's on the
16:58 other screen, so we're going to double
17:01 check. Uh, Greg, you are on the line
17:03 with Forest and Erica. Your first call
17:05 of the day. How are you doing?
17:08 >> Uh, great. Is this me?
17:10 >> This is you. And I've got you here as
17:14 Greg. Uh, pronouns he him calling in
17:16 from Elongated Leopards. Is that correct?
17:18 correct?
17:18 >> That is that is
17:20 >> Illustrious Leopards. elongated would be
17:24 an E. Yes. Uh, all right. Cool. Perfect.
17:26 So, what did you want to talk about today?
17:28 today?
17:29 >> Well, first of all, I just want to say
17:32 respect to both of you. Uh, this is is
17:33 this going to be eight hours or 10
17:35 hours? How long is that?
17:38 >> Minimum. Minimum 10.
17:39 >> Minimum 10.
17:40 >> That's crazy.
17:41 >> All right.
17:42 >> Our current record is eight and a half.
17:45 So, we want to we want to crush that.
17:48 >> Okay. Well, I did hear your long uh
17:49 well, I shouldn't say long, but your
17:51 preface about creationist callers and
17:53 all of this stuff. So, I this might be a
17:55 little too mild for you. It's more like
17:57 an intelligent design argument. Um I
18:00 wouldn't necessarily
18:01 So, it works.
18:03 >> Oh, does it? Oh, okay. Well, fair enough
18:04 if you want to take it that way. Um but
18:06 my argument is pretty straightforward.
18:08 So, you might have heard it before. Uh
18:10 but basically, um it's it's a
18:12 probability argument. And the argument
18:15 goes that the a universe is more or much
18:18 more likely to be designed than it is to
18:21 not be designed evidenced by and you
18:22 might have heard you probably heard of
18:25 this before the Martin Ree uh constants
18:28 so or ratios. So like as just one
18:30 example for example if you take the um
18:32 ratio of the gravitational force of
18:34 attraction between protons and the
18:36 repulsive force between protons there's
18:37 like this delicate balance right this
18:40 delicate goldilocks range. If that ratio
18:42 were off just by a little bit, the
18:43 argument goes that matter wouldn't be
18:44 able to sustain itself and then you
18:46 wouldn't be able to sustain life and
18:48 then we wouldn't be able to uh have the
18:49 conversation that we're having right
18:51 now. That's just one example of a ratio.
18:53 There's other examples as well and
18:55 they're called the Martin Reef
18:58 constants. Um and if you have to accept
18:59 that obviously.
19:01 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if you don't
19:03 accept that that's fine too. If you did
19:05 accept that though, would that not lead
19:07 to a dichotomy where you either have
19:10 situation A, we kind of lucked out with
19:12 these constants just being and these
19:13 ratios being where they're supposed to
19:16 be, or B, the more likely proposition is
19:19 that someone designed the constants to
19:21 be where they're at. And that of course
19:23 would imply a designer and then of
19:24 course, you know, it wouldn't be a leap
19:26 of faith to go from there to, you know,
19:27 a god or something along those lines.
19:29 And so it's not an argument that God
19:30 does exist. It's an argument of
19:32 probability saying that it's more likely
19:34 that that the universe was designed than
19:36 that the universe was not designed and
19:39 therefore would imply a designer. Um
19:40 anyway that that
19:42 >> so it is let me finish that. So yeah
19:43 >> it's just a very
19:45 >> so it's just a very specific form of the
19:48 fine-tuning argument then.
19:50 >> Yes. Yes.
19:52 >> Yeah. Uh Erica, you want to start or you
19:54 want me to start?
19:56 >> No, I mean I I certainly have thoughts.
19:58 It doesn't matter to me. If you want to
20:01 start, you can start. I my Okay, I'm
20:04 gonna start. I'm gonna start. I'm gonna stay
20:04 stay
20:07 >> for me, Greg. Like, right off the bat, a
20:09 lot of these fine-tuning arguments, I
20:12 think that they tend to be put to bed by
20:15 for one, like the a simple analogy to to
20:18 a puddle, right? Like, um, lots of
20:21 things are astronomically unlikely. And
20:23 one thing that I would point to, right,
20:25 is that any given shape that may form in
20:27 the ground by the result of erosion or
20:29 or a pothole or damage or whatever, like
20:31 there are an infinite amount of
20:32 different shaped holes that you can form
20:34 in the ground. And yet, every time it
20:35 rains, every single one of these holes
20:38 fills with water. And so if you were to
20:40 suddenly grant a puddle the ability to
20:43 become sapient and and you know question
20:44 it as to how it came to be the way that
20:46 it came to be, this puddle would look at
20:48 you and be like, man, well obviously
20:50 this hole was designed for me because
20:53 atom by atom I fit perfectly within it,
20:55 right? The puddle would marvel at how
20:57 perfectly this hole is shaped for it.
20:59 But the reality is that the the hole was
21:02 not shaped for the puddle. The puddle
21:04 shaped to fill the hole, right? And I
21:06 think the same is often true for the
21:08 universe that we live in. Right? We have
21:10 a sample size of one. We know of one
21:12 universe and it is the one that we
21:14 currently live in. I don't think that it is
21:16 is
21:19 possible or at least I don't think that
21:22 it is soundly reasonable to propose that
21:24 we can create any kind of probability
21:26 for the universe for any given constant
21:28 within it for the probability of life or
21:30 whatever when our sample size is one.
21:31 Whether we're talking about life on
21:33 earth or whether we're talking about the
21:34 the the constants the fundamental
21:36 features of the universe in the first
21:39 place um it's very difficult in my mind
21:42 to put a probability a probability to
21:44 that because there is only one that we
21:46 are aware of right you can't really do
21:47 statistics on that
21:49 >> it could for all we know be equally as
21:52 likely yeah you go ahead go let's start
21:52 with that
21:53 >> yeah I'm sorry and and but I'm not
21:55 trying to interrupt and uh if I'm ever
21:56 interrupting too much please just call
21:58 me out on it just a question when you
22:00 say clarification question when you
22:02 Okay. When you say a sample size of one,
22:04 do you mean as in like one universe and
22:06 there are other universes? Is that
22:08 >> what and but there could be more than
22:09 one universe? Is that what I just want
22:11 to clarify? Is that what you're
22:13 >> There could there could be but we don't
22:16 know if there is or isn't.
22:17 >> So what do you mean when you say sample
22:19 size of one? Sorry.
22:21 >> I mean we know of one universe and so
22:24 you can't do probability with one. You
22:26 can't do any kind of statistics if you
22:29 have a sample size of one. We can create
22:32 other universes theoretically, right?
22:34 But we don't have any empirical proof at
22:37 present that other universes certainly
22:39 do exist. And we certainly can't speak
22:41 to the features or qualities of them
22:43 either. Well, at least not that I'm
22:43 aware of.
22:45 >> Are you saying
22:48 Are you saying that there's another like
22:49 are you saying that there are possibly
22:51 other combinations of ratios and
22:53 constants that could sustain matter and
22:56 life that we're just not aware of?
22:59 I'm not sure if there are or aren't. I I
23:00 think that it's fair to say that there
23:03 could be. I mean, the way that life
23:06 exists now, for instance, we had a
23:08 previous range of habitable conditions
23:10 for life, right? When we were first
23:12 investigating life, we were like, life
23:13 can withstand the following conditions.
23:16 Um, let's say we were establishing this
23:18 in the early 1900s, for example. As
23:20 we've continued to explore the natural
23:22 world, we've discovered more and more
23:24 extreophiles all the way down to
23:28 microbes living in Lake Vosto kilometers
23:30 below the surface of the ice in water
23:32 that hasn't seen the surface of the
23:33 earth in millions of years. And there's
23:35 microorganisms living down there in
23:37 hypers saline environments. Um there are
23:40 organisms living in the vents, the hot
23:42 spring vents on Yellowstone. Tardigrades
23:43 can survive for periods of time in
23:46 space. So, as we've learned more about
23:49 the biosphere that we live in now, the
23:50 range of habitable conditions for
23:52 organisms has broadened. So, I don't
23:54 think it's fair to say these are the
23:56 conditions that life can live in because
23:59 it keeps surprising us.
24:01 >> Okay, fair enough. But I even if we just
24:03 focus on that one ratio that I gave you
24:05 as an example, the gravitational versus
24:08 repulsive forces of protons, just that
24:10 one just that one ratio right there,
24:12 just that on itself, if that were
24:14 slightly off, matter wouldn't even be
24:15 able to form. So you wouldn't be able to
24:18 get life if you can't even have matter.
24:19 You can't even have atoms, I should say.
24:20 You can't even have atoms being formed
24:23 if that's indeed how that that constant
24:25 plays out, so to speak, from the from
24:26 the Reese Martin constant or Martin
24:29 Reese constants. Um, so I guess what I'm
24:31 trying to understand is I get like life
24:33 can keep surprising us, but that'd be
24:35 quite a surprise if you can't even hold
24:38 atoms together and you could have life
24:39 in an environment where atoms aren't
24:41 even able to be assembled.
24:43 >> No, I I I agree with you for sure. I
24:45 mean, we we were talking about life
24:46 there's a big difference between the
24:48 fundamental constants within physics and
24:50 the habitable conditions for life. I
24:52 absolutely agree with you there. But
24:54 what I'm trying to those are two sort of
24:55 separate arguments. What I'm saying is
24:57 that for our physics argument, we know
24:59 how physics works here and we know the
25:03 fundamental sort of um bases I guess you
25:05 would say for how physics in our
25:06 universe operates.
25:08 >> I'm not comfortable saying that that is
25:11 how it must operate right in every
25:13 conceivable universe would they like you
25:15 know I said we have examples as what we
25:17 do but we can sit around and play around
25:18 with hypotheticals and conceive of
25:20 universes where things would operate
25:22 differently or could operate
25:24 differently. Do they exist? I have no
25:28 idea. Right. But what I'm trying to say
25:30 with that is that it's like it's very
25:33 easy to sit around and say how likely or
25:35 unlikely it is for the fundamentals of
25:37 of our universe to exist the way that
25:39 they are when we only know of one
25:41 universe and this is how they operate
25:44 here. Like I I don't I don't feel
25:46 comfortable playing like you can say wow
25:48 it's marvelous that life can exist in
25:50 our universe and it is. But the second
25:52 we start playing statistics games and
25:54 saying how likely or unlikely that is
25:56 that that the universe should be set up
25:59 this way, I no longer feel comfortable
26:00 um using that kind of language because
26:02 again we only have one universe and this
26:04 is how it played out here. It could have
26:07 played out a gazillion different other
26:09 ways for all I know. I'm no physicist
26:13 but I I I don't think that playing
26:16 playing with probabilities is wise when
26:18 we have
26:20 >> this universe and this universe only as
26:22 far as we are aware.
26:24 you you mentioned the two different
26:25 arguments or separate arguments and to
26:27 be clear I'm arguing mostly from the
26:28 constants argument the physical
26:31 constants argument not uh so that more
26:32 just like matter being able to sustain
26:36 itself and so and I'm sorry I promise
26:37 I'm not being disingenuine like I'm I'm
26:39 genuinely trying to wrap my head around
26:43 so um I'm still trying to see how uh
26:45 with that goldilocks range I give with
26:46 that one ratio for example I'm not
26:48 trying to be stuck on this but I say I'm
26:50 kind of stuck on it um I'm still trying
26:52 to understand how that's like you how
26:54 how is that not remarkable that we
26:56 lucked out? I'm looking at this sort of
26:58 like a slot machine kind of thing. And
27:00 if if the constant just happened to that
27:02 ratio of constants just happened to be
27:04 right by coincidence that seems like a
27:07 remarkable coincidence
27:09 which which lies in the questioning of it.
27:09 it. >> Yeah.
27:10 >> Yeah.
27:13 >> So let's play let's play a game here,
27:14 right? Like you you're playing with
27:16 probabilities and you're suggesting that
27:18 there can be other universes. So let's
27:22 let's take that at infinitum here.
27:24 If I have a dice with a million sides on
27:28 it and I roll it one time, what are the
27:34 >> If it a million, right?
27:35 >> A million.
27:36 >> Oh, yeah. One in a million. If it's a
27:38 million sided die. Yeah. Yeah.
27:39 >> Right. Yeah. If it's got a million
27:41 sides, I roll it one time. I'm hoping
27:44 for one number. If I want 69, it's one
27:46 in a million chance that I get 69 on the
27:47 first roll. Right.
27:49 >> What if I roll it an infinite amount of
27:50 times? What are the odds that I'm going
27:54 to get a 69 now? >> Infinite.
27:55 >> Infinite.
27:57 >> Yeah, I'm going to get I'm definitely
28:00 100% I'm going to get a 69 at some point
28:01 if I roll it an infinite amount of
28:04 times. So, if we're playing this game
28:06 where there we have two possibilities
28:08 here. There's one universe or there's
28:10 more than one universe, right? Like
28:11 either the universe can only form this
28:13 way or it can form an infinite amount of
28:15 ways or some number that is approaching
28:20 infinity. So, if that's the case and we
28:22 don't know how many universes there are,
28:24 then the odds that we could get a
28:26 universe like this if we're playing this
28:30 multiverse kind of game is 100%.
28:31 By chance, >> okay?
28:32 >> okay?
28:34 >> You see what I'm saying? So, it's like, >> yeah,
28:34 >> yeah,
28:36 >> we live in the one where the where it
28:38 worked out, but if we didn't live in the
28:40 one that worked out, we wouldn't be here
28:41 discussing how we lived in the one that
28:43 worked out.
28:45 >> Okay. So, it sounds like if I
28:48 extrapolate this Go ahead. Sorry.
28:49 >> No, that's all I was going to say is
28:51 that it's a little selfful.
28:53 >> Sure. Sure. Well, then I would say then
28:55 I guess my response to that would be
28:58 that in a way the dichotomy is this then
28:59 we don't know if there are more than one
29:01 universes or not. We don't to my
29:03 knowledge I mean you guys are the
29:05 scientific experts but okay yeah I
29:06 didn't know but that means the dichotomy
29:08 would be in would be more like this then
29:10 either a there are more than one
29:12 universes so many so that this isn't
29:14 remarkable at all that we have the
29:16 constants that we have and that world
29:19 works the way it does or b there's one
29:21 universe and if there's only one
29:24 universe then likely it was designed and
29:26 so that's and I guess I'm not convinced
29:29 that an infinite number of universes we
29:30 don't know if that's true or
29:33 is necessarily a more probable
29:35 reality than or possibility than there
29:37 being only one universe that was designed.
29:39 designed.
29:41 >> Let's say there is only one that both
29:43 seem like it's you're going on a limb
29:45 either way. Go ahead. Sorry. Go ahead.
29:46 >> Let's let's let's say there is only one
29:48 universe. Let's just for for a second
29:50 let's assume that we somehow we've
29:52 figured this out and there is only one
29:53 and sure.
29:56 >> So now how do we get to it was probably
29:58 designed because what you have here is
30:00 this fine-tuning thing.
30:02 And at the end of the day, it works
30:04 exactly the same way that Erica just
30:06 laid out. Even if there's just one,
30:08 which is if it wasn't this way, we
30:10 wouldn't be here talking about it. You
30:11 can take it the same way if you go
30:13 forward and talk about evolution. And
30:15 people ask about like why are humans so
30:17 smart and all like if such and such
30:19 didn't happen, if this wasn't the
30:20 conditions that we evolved in, we would
30:22 have evolved differently or we wouldn't
30:23 have evolved at all or we wouldn't be
30:25 here alive at all. like there's
30:27 differences that would have been
30:29 accounted for if things were different.
30:30 They weren't different, so they're not,
30:32 right? And so we look at the universe
30:35 the way that it is right now. Let's say
30:37 that this is the only way that it
30:39 possibly could be. That doesn't imply a
30:41 designer just because it's it's
30:43 mandatory this way. Let's say there are
30:44 lots of ways that it could be and this
30:46 is the way that it happened to fall
30:48 into. Maybe it is pure coincidence. That
30:50 doesn't imply a designer. At the end of
30:51 the day, you're picking the designer
30:53 thing because it is convenient for you.
30:56 It is it is ex it has explanatory power
30:58 that is very convenient and very easy to
31:00 wrap your head around. That doesn't mean
31:02 that it's logical, testable,
31:05 falsifiable, verifiable, any of those
31:07 things. It is one of infinite
31:10 possibilities for why the universe is
31:12 the way that it is. And you're just
31:19 >> Okay. Um
31:22 I mean I I agree that it's not testable.
31:24 I agree with that. And so, but I guess
31:26 the alternatives that you guys have
31:28 given me so far, like the infinite
31:29 universe thing, and you're saying the
31:32 one universe thing isn't really testable
31:36 either. Um, sorry, I I'm taking my time
31:37 here. I'm trying to process. No.
31:38 >> How do you tell the difference?
31:39 >> Say again. What do you
31:40 >> How do you tell the difference? Sorry.
31:42 >> How do you tell the if if you can't test
31:45 it, how do you tell the difference
31:48 between a universe that is necessarily
31:50 created this way and a universe that
31:54 happens to be this way? What which like
32:02 >> Well, you can't. I guess that's fair.
32:05 >> So, which is the most logical one to go
32:08 with? the one that has more assumptions,
32:11 assuming that there's some guy that has
32:13 desires and those desires happen to be
32:16 this insanity that we live in. Or the
32:18 assumption that naturalistic
32:20 explanations account for every single
32:23 thing, every time we've ever looked at
32:25 anything ever in the universe, every
32:27 single one of them has a naturalistic
32:29 explanation. So, the beginnings of the
32:31 universe probably also has a
32:33 naturalistic explanation. Even if we're
32:36 going like at just the base straw man,
32:38 it's all just an assumption level. Which
32:42 assumption is more reasonable to make?
32:44 >> Okay. It sounds like
32:45 may I don't know if you're intending
32:47 this or not. Maybe you are, but it
32:48 sounds a little bit almost like a god of
32:50 the gaps kind of situation again where
32:53 it's like, well, if we don't have it,
32:56 okay, if we can't if we can't explain
32:58 this yet, we're injecting something that
33:00 makes sense,
33:03 even if it's not testable, I guess.
33:05 >> Well, the thing the thing that we're
33:07 injecting the thing that we're injecting
33:10 that makes sense, Greg, is I don't know. Yeah,
33:11 Yeah,
33:13 >> that's that's the key here is that what
33:14 what Erica and I are doing is we're
33:17 saying there is yet to be a single
33:20 example of anything supernatural ever.
33:23 Every single thing that we have ever
33:24 learned about the universe has a
33:26 naturalistic explanation. There's a lot
33:28 stuff that we don't know, but every time
33:31 we learn something, it's natural. Every
33:33 single time we learn something, it obeys
33:34 the laws of physics, the laws of
33:36 chemistry, the laws of nature. It it it
33:39 flows. It works. Even really unintuitive
33:41 things like quantum physics, [ __ ] that
33:44 like just does not make any sense in any
33:46 classical understanding of how things
33:49 work is still natural. There's nothing
33:50 there that leads us to believe that
33:52 there's some ghost manipulating things,
33:55 right? Maxwell's demon isn't real. And
33:59 so there's there's this pattern, this
34:02 history of every single time we ask a
34:04 question, when we find the answer, the
34:06 answer is this one single thing. and
34:09 you're proposing all right but what if
34:12 in this case there's a different kind of
34:15 answer in this one particular instance
34:17 the creation of the universe in this one
34:19 situation there's actually magic there's
34:21 actually some intelligent guy there's
34:23 there's some dude who exists outside of
34:25 space and time that wanted things to be
34:28 this way and like what you have to
34:31 recognize here is that like just saying
34:34 I don't know but it's probably the same
34:36 as everything else isn't just filling in
34:38 God of the gaps. It isn't just making a
34:40 declaration of like, well, I assume it's
34:41 going to be this cuz it's going to be
34:44 this, right? What you're doing here is
34:46 saying there's there's something outside
34:49 of space and time and it's a dude and it
34:52 has a mind and it has desires and it can
34:55 do stuff and it can and it did this and
34:57 it did it on purpose and it did it so
34:59 well that that we now have this and this
35:01 guy's super great at like math and and
35:03 and and you know, atomic theory. you
35:05 must have figured it out way and like
35:07 all this baggage, all of this stuff that
35:10 comes along with that assumption.
35:12 So earlier on I was using the word
35:14 assumption kind of cavalier way because
35:16 I I wanted to get to that that talking
35:18 point that people usually say of like,
35:19 oh, you're just you're just deciding
35:21 what you want to believe and and it's
35:23 just a religion and blah blah blah. At
35:25 the end of the day, the god of the gaps
35:27 that Erica and I are le leaning on is I
35:30 don't know. I don't know what it is. But
35:32 if I had to hazard a guess, if I had to
35:34 look in a place, if I was gonna start
35:36 testing, it'd be with things that are
35:38 actually testable. It would be with the
35:40 things that are always there. It would
35:41 be the same track record that it's
35:43 always been.
35:44 >> Does that make sense?
35:45 >> It's one of those things, Greg, where
35:48 like we're not saying we're not going to
35:50 sit here and say the universe is
35:52 definitely not designed and there's
35:56 definitely not a god, right? That's not >> Yeah.
35:56 >> Yeah.
35:58 >> scientific say it. Instead, what we're
36:00 saying is that there is no reason at
36:02 present to think that that is the case.
36:05 Um, science investigates with the tools
36:08 that we have with the observ and
36:10 attendee observations that I've been
36:11 able to make. And you know, granted, I'm
36:14 not a physicist, but I don't think that
36:16 it's a a common physics position. I
36:18 think I'm confident enough to say that
36:19 I'm confident enough in the state of
36:21 physics literature to say that other
36:23 physicists aren't saying, okay, you
36:25 know, the consensus here is that this is
36:27 looking designed. this is looking like
36:29 there's somebody out there who's who's
36:31 sort of tinkering with this. Um, and
36:33 part of the problem with that is is as
36:35 for said earlier, you know, how do you
36:36 actually tell the difference between
36:40 what nature is capable of um nature I
36:43 guess at a grand cosmic scale and what a
36:45 designer is required for, right? How do
36:46 you actually tell the difference between
36:47 the two of them? You have to come up
36:50 with criteria for how do you define when
36:52 a designer is responsible versus when
36:54 they're not? And a really cool example
36:56 of this in
36:59 um in biology or or in my field is that
37:01 you know with stone tools, right? Like
37:02 how do we tell the difference between a
37:04 rock that fell down a hill and looks
37:06 kind of vaguely tool-shaped versus
37:08 something that required a designer? Uh
37:11 and the way that we did that is we we
37:12 did an incredible amount of
37:14 experimentation to figure out what kind
37:18 of percussion patterns and fractionures
37:21 rock smashed together by an agent versus
37:24 what a rock tumbling down a hill is
37:26 capable of. of displaying sort of
37:29 feature-wise. So we would need some kind
37:32 of methodologically naturalistic way to
37:34 test for a designer to first to
37:36 establish a designer and then to test
37:39 for it um for it to be naturalistic and
37:41 for it to be scientific. And you know I
37:43 I run into creationists sometimes who
37:45 have a problem with methodological
37:47 naturalism as a means by which we
37:48 explore the world. But it's like for for
37:52 the west that strategy was invented by
37:53 Christians, right? And methodological
37:56 naturalism was a thing that the the
37:58 gentleman naturalists, the majority of
38:00 which were Christian, held by because
38:02 they didn't think that it was reasonable
38:06 to explore creation without um with with
38:08 suspecting that God may be interacting
38:10 and tinkering every six seconds because
38:12 that's just not the way that reality
38:14 seems to operate. So it's like then we
38:15 have two options all the way bringing
38:17 things full circle. We have two options.
38:18 It's like either the designer is
38:20 scientific or is capable of being
38:22 scientifically investigated and are thus
38:25 not supernatural or they aren't. And if
38:27 we can't investigate them with the tools
38:29 of science, uh then at least at present
38:31 it it's an unfalsifiable
38:33 hypothesis. We can't even begin to
38:35 investigate it. It becomes sort of a
38:39 naval gazing um type of thing.
38:41 >> Okay. Well, fair enough. I mean I and
38:43 like I said I wasn't claiming with a
38:45 certainty that this is kind of a copout
38:46 though because I was saying it's more of
38:49 a probability argument. So I'm not I'm
38:50 saying that I was trying to make the
38:52 argument that one was more likely than
38:54 the other. But I mean to be fair as a
38:56 theist I do believe in the the designer model.
38:57 model.
39:00 >> Um but but in any case um but no that's
39:01 okay. So I think I'm I'm wrapping my
39:06 head around that. Um yeah. So it it it
39:09 sounds like
39:11 I guess you guys are not it's a little
39:12 different than I expected. So you guys aren't
39:14 aren't
39:16 a correct me if I'm mischaracterizing
39:18 you. You're not actively disbelieving
39:20 that there was a designer actively
39:23 disbelieving that there was,
39:24 you know, some kind of god that invented
39:26 everything. You're just saying that you
39:27 don't believe it. Those are two
39:30 different statements technically. That's
39:31 a fine line between the two.
39:32 >> The thing is
39:35 >> Yeah. The thing is it's not science.
39:38 It's not science. So like the thing
39:40 about like when we talk about the big
39:42 bang, when we talk about evolution, when
39:44 we talk about any of these models, any
39:46 of these theories that that help us
39:48 understand the universe, what they're
39:50 able to do, not not only do they have
39:53 massive explanatory power, but they have
39:55 explanatory power towards things that we
39:57 haven't even discovered yet. When we
40:00 find new information, it fits back into
40:02 this. And more importantly, they can
40:04 make novel testable predictions. We can
40:06 say, "Okay, well, if this is true, then
40:08 we should be able to do this. We should
40:09 be able to test this thing. We should be
40:11 able to see this happen." And it's right
40:14 every time despite so many chances for
40:16 these models to be wrong. They keep
40:17 coming up right. And that's the thing
40:19 about science is you never accept a
40:22 hypothesis. You fail to reject it. So
40:23 what we're doing here, every single
40:25 chance we have to reject these ideas, we
40:28 can't because over and over and over and
40:30 over, they keep coming back more and
40:33 more reinforced by the evidence. And
40:34 what you've got over here with
40:37 intelligent design doesn't do any of
40:41 that. It is just simply a because of God
40:44 did it. That's it. And I can't test
40:46 that. I can't go look if I if I look for
40:48 anything and I say, "Okay, well here's
40:49 this thing." You can just say the same
40:52 thing. That's because God I can't say
40:53 okay well if God did it then I should
40:56 find this and I I can't predict anything
40:58 like that. It has to be what we call
41:01 this this post hawk immunizing idea
41:04 where every single time I find something
41:05 that's cuz God and if anything
41:08 contradicts my current model that's cuz
41:09 God and if I find something I didn't
41:12 expect that's cuz God and it that's all
41:14 it has. So it doesn't do the things
41:17 science does. And most importantly,
41:20 >> it doesn't have any mechanisms. Like the
41:21 thing about evolution, the thing about
41:23 the big bang, the thing about all of
41:25 this stuff is we can pin down this is
41:28 how it works and this is why. We have
41:30 laws and theories that back these things
41:31 up. We have rules and principles that
41:33 back these things up. We have testable
41:35 patterns and and and these things that
41:36 go along with it that we can now say,
41:39 okay, so this is the actual mechanism at
41:41 work here. And again, now we can test
41:42 that. You don't have that for
41:44 intelligent design. There's no mechanism
41:46 of design. There's no proposed uh
41:49 patterning or beh like behaviors of
41:51 design. There's no principles, laws,
41:54 rules, anything that tells us like any
41:57 purpose or guiding set of rules behind
42:00 it. None of it. It is just God. Because
42:02 God. And if that if it happened, it's
42:04 because God. And that's just that's
42:06 simply not scientific thinking. That is
42:08 just religion. And that's why you said
42:09 at the beginning, you know, you were
42:10 talking about trying to distinguish
42:11 between intelligent design and
42:13 creationism. There is no distinction.
42:15 Intelligent design is just creationism
42:17 trying to act scientific. But it isn't.
42:20 It doesn't do what science does. It
42:22 doesn't give us any new information. It
42:25 just gives a blanket explanation for
42:28 everything we don't understand.
42:30 >> That's fair. To be fair, I can't
42:32 >> It's a big what if, right? Like it I'm
42:35 I'm just cosigning really what for said
42:36 it's like a what if game, you I mean,
42:37 it's it's sitting around and saying, you
42:40 know, wouldn't it be crazy if XYZ,
42:42 which, you know, that's that's fine for
42:44 like sitting around again, like I said
42:46 earlier, like kind of naval gazing, but
42:47 if we're talking about something that is
42:49 on the table from a scientific
42:52 perspective as something that that we
42:54 can actually investigate and as
42:55 something that may actually be
42:58 reflective of reality. As for said, at
43:00 present, intelligent design, um, from
43:02 fine-tuning to, you know, design
43:04 mutability or whatever, like it just
43:05 doesn't fit the bill. There's just
43:07 nothing about it that we can actually
43:09 tangibly test. It's just a lot of boy,
43:12 isn't it isn't it crazy that cells look
43:14 like that? Or boy, isn't it crazy that
43:15 Earth is in the Goldilock zone? We just
43:17 so happen to be able to be intelligent
43:18 enough to create technology to have this
43:21 conversation. It's it's a lot of just
43:22 looking at vast numbers and
43:24 probabilities and saying that that must
43:26 have been designed. But goodness, you
43:27 know, we live in a world where things
43:30 that are incredibly unlikely happened
43:33 regardless. Um,
43:35 anyways, I'm gonna try to fix my lag. >> Yeah,
43:36 >> Yeah,
43:39 >> finish this off here forest.
43:40 >> Yeah, I was just going to say real
43:41 quick, too. I mean, that's a fair point
43:44 because I can't think of any predictions
43:47 you can make with intelligent design.
43:50 And so, unlike, you know, and and with a
43:52 lot of scientific theories and things
43:53 like that, I you're right, I can't make
43:55 predictions with it. So, therefore, it's
43:58 not science. And I and to be fair, I I
44:00 never I don't really consider
44:01 intelligent design to be science. It was
44:03 more of a probab probability argument.
44:06 Um but uh and I would still
44:09 >> probability argument calculate.
44:11 >> Say again.
44:12 >> It's a probability argument that you
44:15 can't calculate. As Erica pointed out
44:17 earlier, you have a sample size of one
44:18 and nothing to compare it to.
44:20 >> For all you know, this may be the only
44:22 way it is possible for anything to exist.
44:23 exist.
44:25 >> We don't know.
44:27 >> All right. No, that's fair. That's fair.
44:29 Um, and I mean, just to be clear, to me,
44:30 I always distinguish intelligent design
44:33 from creationism. I guess maybe I I just
44:34 had the words wrong. To me, it's maybe
44:36 it's young earth creationism versus not
44:38 young earth creationism, but there are
44:39 different kinds of creationism or or,
44:41 you know, anything along those lines. But,
44:41 But,
44:43 >> um, but no, I appreciate it. Uh, like I
44:45 said, I'm not I'm not really
44:47 scientifically versed myself. I've only
44:49 not passed freshman basics in college.
44:53 So, um, I I'm glad I got more than I
44:55 asked for when I called because I was
44:56 actually worried it was going to be a
44:58 simple matter of these constants don't
45:00 work the way you think they work. Martin
45:02 Ree was wrong and I wouldn't have
45:03 anything to say to that because I'm not
45:05 versed in in the scientific field, but
45:07 you guys really went further than I
45:11 expected. I got sure
45:12 Go ahead. Yeah.
45:14 >> Yeah. I'm saying I'm not a physicist.
45:16 I'm not here to to question that. That's
45:19 not my job. But uh what I can tell you
45:22 is like you don't have to be a scientist
45:24 to just care about whether or not what
45:26 you believe is true. And and if you care
45:28 about whether or not what you believe is
45:29 true, then you needed to ask yourself,
45:33 okay, so what is the one gold standard
45:36 method for finding out what is true?
45:38 >> And I I promise you it's not faith
45:40 because at the end of the day, science
45:41 has been wrong before. You know how we
45:43 figured out it was wrong? Science,
45:44 that's what it does. It's
45:46 self-correcting. It gets better every
45:48 single day. And we get to a point where
45:51 like over the over the the centuries
45:52 there was a time when we were turn
45:55 overturning massive theories, massive
45:57 changes in how we viewed the entire
46:00 universe. And it keeps getting narrower
46:02 and narrower and narrower. And now it's
46:04 not like we used to think the universe
46:06 was infinitely old and now it's actually
46:08 40 billion years and now it's actually
46:10 30 billion. And now it's like, okay,
46:13 well, is it 13.8295
46:16 or is it 13 to 8.296? 296 like what you
46:17 know we're we're just getting the
46:19 resolutions getting better and better
46:21 and better and so that I would encourage
46:24 you you don't have to be a scientist but
46:26 you need to demand evidence for what you
46:28 believe in and just I can't think of
46:30 anything better than this simply isn't
46:32 good enough. So I I think you'd be a
46:34 great scientist if you dug into it but
46:38 like just you got to you got to try.
46:39 >> Sure. Sure. Well, I just want to say I
46:42 appreciate you uh taking the argument at
46:45 face value on the constants to see where
46:47 it could go in a sense kind of
46:49 steelmanning it a little bit uh because
46:51 then you can get more, you know, more of
46:53 an interesting take on it. So, I I do
46:56 appreciate that. Um so, yeah. Well, I
46:58 don't have much else to say. Uh thank
47:00 you both for your time quite a bit and
47:01 best of luck because that's going to be
47:05 it's a long a long stream. So,
47:07 >> it's been fun. It's been a great way to start.
47:09 start.
47:11 We're in this for the love of the game, Greg.
47:13 Greg.
47:14 >> What do you think?
47:14 >> We can handle it.
47:16 >> All right. Yeah.
47:17 >> All right. All right. Take care of
47:19 yourself, Greg. Thank you so much.
47:22 >> Thanks so much. Good luck. Bye. >> Bye.
47:22 >> Bye. >> Bye.
47:24 >> Bye.
47:29 Lines are absolutely full except for we
47:31 just dropped a call. So, to the people
47:33 who've called in and got a busy signal,
47:34 this is your chance to hop back on the
47:35 line. You will be waiting a while. We've
47:38 got seven other people waiting. Um,
47:40 >> not not only that, Forest, but these
47:43 calls are delectable.
47:45 >> Looking at these calls, I am delighted
47:48 by some of these subjects.
47:50 >> They are. It's It's Some of these are
47:53 really, really good. Uh, I don't like
47:54 just looking on the line. Number four
47:56 sounds wild. Number six, I don't
47:58 understand what that has to do with
48:01 anything. Number uh, eight, I don't know
48:04 what that is. Uh, number nine sounds
48:06 neat. Number 10 sounds great. So, like
48:08 just I leave it up to you, amigo Mia.
48:12 Amigga Mia, what which one do you like?
48:15 >> Oh, man. Um,
48:18 I I think we go down the list for now. I
48:20 think we take the next one with four. I
48:22 think that's right up your alley. And I
48:23 think that'll give me an opportunity to
48:25 try to fix my lag. So, I want to do
48:27 super chats real quick. >> Oh.
48:28 >> Oh.
48:30 >> Oh, [ __ ] You're going to say yes. See?
48:32 Yeah. Yeah, I do want to do super chat.
48:35 If if Erica, if you wanted to dip for a
48:37 minute while Forest does super chats, I
48:39 can put I can put just him on the screen
48:40 for super chats.
48:41 >> That's not fair.
48:42 >> Or any of the super
48:44 >> That's not fair. Make her do super chats.
48:47 chats.
48:48 >> I couldn't hear anything you said
48:57 >> Damn it. Okay. Yeah, do that. Do that.
48:59 >> I say I'm gonna say no because that's
49:01 not fair. She deserves to do the super
49:03 chats, too. And by deserves, I mean
49:06 like, how dare you try to pass it off on
49:08 me. Let's save them to the next call.
49:09 Let's save super chat.
49:10 >> Fine, fine, fine, fine, fine, fine,
49:11 fine, fine, fine, fine, fine. Do it for
49:13 the next call. We'll take this next one.
49:15 This next one is up force alley anyways,
49:17 so he can field the beginning and I can
49:20 go try to move my router and make a
49:23 sacrifice and do something, fix my wife.
49:25 >> Get out of my alley, bro. All right,
49:27 we're gonna we're gonna talk to Rob.
49:31 pronouns he him calling in from uh
49:34 urticating cllingons
49:38 talking about itchy aliens I don't know
49:40 uh who says that I don't understand the
49:42 antitransposition uh Rob you are on the
49:44 line with forest and only forest how you
49:46 doing today
49:48 >> hi um it's great thanks thanks for
49:50 taking my call
49:53 >> thank you for calling
49:57 >> thank you so just a few things uh you
49:59 said earlier about why don't people call
50:02 in to discuss with you but I'm just
50:03 thinking is if you ever gone to modern
50:06 day debates they discuss trans issues so
50:08 you could volunteer yourself you could
50:11 email James at modernday debates and say
50:12 you want to discuss trans thing and
50:14 they'll put you up with someone like
50:16 Andrew Wilson and that would be uh you
50:19 know it would be neutally moderated
50:23 instead of just you having control
50:26 >> the re the reason why I don't uh is
50:28 because they have shown a history of not
50:31 really caring about what kind of people
50:34 they bring on. Uh the last time they had
50:38 Matt Dillante on to talk about uh God as
50:40 it wasn't even about trans people, it
50:41 was about God and they brought on a guy
50:44 who calls himself like big papa fascist
50:48 or something and let that dude just spew
50:50 a bunch of transphobic hate speech and
50:52 [ __ ] and never checked him on it and
50:54 like that that wasn't what he was there
50:55 for. That wasn't supposed to be the
50:56 point. and they just let him just be
50:58 hateful and [ __ ] And so I'm I kind of
51:00 that was the first and last time that I
51:02 was interested. Um I also have other
51:03 friends who have had some pretty
51:05 negative experiences. So I know they're
51:08 they're a common name on the platform,
51:10 but I would uh just not be interested at
51:12 all in in working with them. Same reason
51:13 I wouldn't work with Standing for Truth
51:16 because it's just like I I don't take
51:18 you seriously and when you call yourself
51:20 a a you know, how do you say like an
51:22 impartial platform if this is the way
51:24 you're going to behave? Um, it's just
51:27 not worth the time to to deal with this stuff.
51:28 stuff.
51:31 >> I also I am careful about like
51:33 >> how how I'm going to platform people
51:35 because like on this platform at least,
51:36 well, yes, I do have control over it
51:38 when me having the buttons and
51:39 everything like that, but I am
51:42 constantly criticized for not using the
51:44 mute button enough for not shutting
51:46 people down the way that a lot of other
51:49 people want me to. However, I do have
51:52 the opportunity if someone is going to
51:53 go outside of the realm of having a
51:55 civil discussion and is just being a
51:57 bigot, then I can decide, all right, it
52:00 is not worth my time to put my face next
52:03 to yours and say, you know, to give this
52:06 tacic consent to this argument being,
52:07 you know, worth anybody's time to listen
52:08 to. So, like there are certain
52:10 conversations I'm just simply not going
52:12 to have. And and if I'm going to be on a
52:14 platform like Modern Day Debates and
52:16 they're going to bring on somebody who
52:18 is actively just saying just the
52:21 stupidest, most hateful [ __ ] there's a
52:22 certain point where you kind of have to
52:24 take responsibility for like I'm I am
52:26 dignifying this by engaging with it. You
52:27 know what I mean? If someone wants to
52:28 argue about whether trans people are
52:29 real and they want to be serious about
52:31 it, great. if they want to just sit here
52:34 and spew hate speech and and just, you
52:35 know, nonsense,
52:37 >> if if there there needs to be a benefit
52:39 to that beyond just giving this person
52:40 money and attention. You know what I mean?
52:41 mean?
52:44 >> Well, the best way to argue your case if
52:45 you you know, if that's what you truly
52:48 believe is to go on somewhere like that,
52:50 um I just you know, you you show
52:52 yourself to have the courage to go onto
52:54 an impartial platform. That's that's
52:58 what it looks like to um people who
53:01 um are strongly disagree, you know. >> Okay.
53:01 >> Okay.
53:03 >> Strongly disagree cuz like I don't I
53:06 don't think they're that impartial. Um I
53:07 think they paint themselves as
53:09 impartial, but at the end of the day,
53:11 the kind of people that they are willing
53:14 to give a platform to speaks a lot about
53:17 like what their priorities are. And when
53:20 you allow somebody who calls themsself a
53:24 fascist to get on stage and ignore the
53:26 topic of the debate just to attack a
53:28 marginalized community and you let that
53:31 [ __ ] happen, it sounds an awful lot more
53:32 like you're just interested in getting
53:35 clicks than you are in actually, you
53:37 know, having what you would call is just
53:39 nonbiased civil discussion and all that
53:41 stuff. It's just not really worth the
53:44 time. So again, that that's my only
53:46 major experience with them. I I saw a
53:47 couple of my friends have worked with
53:49 them before and I haven't heard a lot of
53:51 positivity out of it and then I saw that
53:53 and I just wasn't interested in in
53:55 pursuing it any further. I also haven't
53:56 given them a lot of time or attention
53:59 since then because quite frankly I have
54:01 bigger [ __ ] to do. So, like if if
54:03 they've changed since then and if
54:05 somebody wants to show me that they
54:07 really are taking it seriously and and
54:09 and they they have like a really serious
54:12 regiment here of actually vetting people
54:14 properly, actually holding people
54:15 accountable when they go off script or
54:17 off track, keeping the bait the debate
54:19 on track and making sure it is actually
54:21 productive and healthy. Maybe I changed
54:23 my mind, you know, but I haven't seen
54:25 that and I I don't see any indication
54:27 that that's the case. They they have
54:29 reached out to me a few time they tried
54:31 to pair me up with I'm I'm telling you
54:34 it wasn't worth anybody's time.
54:36 >> Okay. Thanks for clarifying that. Uh
54:39 just for proceed can I ask um all humans
54:42 are mammals are they?
54:44 >> I'm sorry.
54:47 >> Is every human a mammal?
54:49 >> Yes, of course.
54:50 >> Okay. There's no exceptions to that, is there?
54:52 there? >> No.
54:54 >> No.
54:56 >> No. Great.
54:58 because of nested hierarchies, you can't
55:00 evolve out of a clay.
55:02 >> Sure. Okay. Thank you. U Yeah, we might
55:04 come back to that later. So, what I was
55:06 just um asking because you to you know
55:08 when you do these calls, you go off in a
55:12 long gish gallop and and u you you see
55:14 you you seem to don't correct me if I'm
55:16 wrong, but I get the impression that you
55:17 think that the people on the opposite
55:20 side of your argument
55:21 um don't understand the difference
55:23 between sex and gender. Well, I'm in the
55:26 UK and we have a very strong or you you
55:28 know we call ourselves gender critical.
55:29 You may call transphobes if you want,
55:32 but uh the issue is very much led by
55:35 women and their issues. They understand
55:36 the difference between sex and gender.
55:38 It's just they just don't care because
55:43 their red line is women's only spaces.
55:45 And so that's things like women's
55:47 sports, women's changing facilities,
55:49 women's prisons, and their red line is
55:53 no trans women in women's only spaces.
55:56 And uh you know, they're not going to
55:57 compromise on that. And so when you say
55:59 that, you talk about, oh, but they have
56:00 a gender identity of women. Well, they
56:03 say, well, they don't care because
56:06 they're men who just identify as women
56:08 >> and they want all men, women's only spaces.
56:10 spaces.
56:12 >> What is a woman? A woman is an adult
56:15 human female.
56:18 >> Okay. What is a female?
56:21 >> A female is the sex that whose anatomy
56:23 is organized around the production of
56:26 large gametes.
56:28 >> Okay. What if their anatomy isn't
56:30 organized around that because they do
56:35 >> Okay. Yeah, I knew you was going to come
56:37 on to this and that's why I asked you
56:41 about the mammals, but so um it depends
56:42 if they're organized around it. So
56:46 everybody is either male or female and
56:48 it depends on the uh whether you make
56:52 small gametes or large gametes and a
56:56 woman even if she's had hyerectomy or uh
56:59 doesn't make gameamtes um or male you
57:01 know male for that matter they're still
57:03 either male or female because they are
57:07 they have that uh capacity to produce
57:10 them unless something has gone wrong. I
57:11 asked you
57:12 >> what if they don't
57:14 >> what what what I asked you is what if
57:15 they don't have that capacity what if
57:17 they are chromosomally female for
57:20 example but they simply don't have any
57:22 gonads at all because they just were
57:27 >> well because if they've gone down one of
57:29 the two systems the malarian or the
57:32 wolfian uh then they're male or female
57:34 that way
57:36 >> okay so it's about development it's not
57:38 about gami production or even having
57:40 right go ads it's about development Sure.
57:40 Sure. >> Okay.
57:41 >> Okay.
57:43 >> Yeah. But then it's development to go
57:45 down that pathway. You see, I asked you
57:47 about mammals
57:52 >> and I'm sorry just really what what if
57:53 what if because you're right. There are
57:55 wolfie in a malarian ducts and one of
57:57 them develops and one of them reabsorbs
58:00 typically but not all the time. So you
58:01 have situations like for example
58:03 persistent malarian duct syndrome where
58:05 you have someone who is chromosomally
58:08 and anatomically male but their malarian
58:10 ducts never reabsorbed and so they still
58:13 have a uterus you know uterine tubes
58:15 part of a vagina internally. So like is
58:18 is it just gameamtes then? And why isn't
58:20 it gameamtes all the time if it's
58:21 gameamt some of the time?
58:25 >> It is it is gamabits all the time
58:26 >> except when they don't produce
58:30 >> duct syndrome are male. Um so
58:34 >> right but it's gameamtes all the time.
58:36 >> It's gameamtes all the time unless they
58:38 don't produce gameamtes at which point
58:41 it becomes gonads. Unless they don't
58:43 have gonads and then it's development.
58:45 Unless they develop improperly and then
58:46 it's gameamtes again.
58:48 >> No, no, no, no. Because it's all the
58:50 issue here goes down the two pathways.
58:51 I'm explaining to you it goes down the
58:54 two pathways. So you have a single way I
58:56 explain is you have a single point.
58:58 Okay. Uh that's the conception and there
59:01 are two pathways that come off it. At
59:03 the end of one pathway is a fully
59:05 developed male. At the end of the the
59:07 other pathway is a fully developed
59:09 female. Interex people, which is what
59:10 you're bringing up, which has got
59:12 nothing to do with transgenderism, are
59:15 people who are have stopped pathway
59:18 along one of those two pathways.
59:20 You see, I asked about
59:21 >> I and
59:24 >> I agree. I agree that interex people are
59:26 not the same thing as trans people, but
59:29 you said that sex and gender are the
59:30 same thing or that you don't care about
59:33 the distinction because ultimately well
59:35 what what you what you argued is that
59:38 male uh male and man are are basically
59:39 synonymous. You said that you don't care
59:41 about this because you think trans women
59:43 are just men which and then you would
59:45 liken that to gameamt production which
59:46 has nothing to do with gender in my
59:49 worldview. So, like you're you're you're
59:50 telling me that that these are
59:53 synonymous without saying as much. So,
59:55 I'm trying to parse out what you
59:57 actually mean. Your definition of woman
59:59 was female.
60:01 >> So, that would mean that sex and gender are synonymous.
60:02 are synonymous. >> That would mean that sex and gender are
60:04 >> That would mean that sex and gender are synonymous.
60:06 synonymous. >> No, no, it doesn't. No, because gender
60:08 >> No, no, it doesn't. No, because gender is, you said, is a socialist construct.
60:09 is, you said, is a socialist construct. So um if you go by the gamut
60:11 So um if you go by the gamut demonstration that a a trans woman is a
60:15 demonstration that a a trans woman is a man who identifies as a woman and a
60:18 man who identifies as a woman and a trans man is a woman who identifies as a
60:20 trans man is a woman who identifies as a man.
60:22 man. >> That's not what you go by the gam.
60:24 >> That's not what you go by the gam. >> Yes. Okay. So anyway to be clear we do
60:27 >> Yes. Okay. So anyway to be clear we do understand the distinction.
60:28 understand the distinction. >> You agree just just understand you agree
60:31 >> You agree just just understand you agree that sex and gender are different things
60:33 that sex and gender are different things but you use sex as the necessary
60:36 but you use sex as the necessary definition of what a gender is.
60:40 definition of what a gender is. Well, we don't really talk about
60:42 Well, we don't really talk about genders, but um gender is what's it's
60:44 genders, but um gender is what's it's how someone perceives themselves. That's
60:45 how someone perceives themselves. That's what we see. But it's nothing uh the sex
60:48 what we see. But it's nothing uh the sex is something that's different. Uh the
60:50 is something that's different. Uh the sex is what we say u the primary factor
60:53 sex is what we say u the primary factor when it comes to determining access to
60:56 when it comes to determining access to single sex spaces, not the person's
60:58 single sex spaces, not the person's gender identity.
61:00 gender identity. >> So single sex spaces. So then you would
61:03 >> So single sex spaces. So then you would would you do you think that interex
61:06 would you do you think that interex people are a third sex category?
61:08 people are a third sex category? No, because interex people um as I
61:10 No, because interex people um as I explained earlier are people who've
61:12 explained earlier are people who've traveled down one of the two pathways
61:15 traveled down one of the two pathways and they haven't got to the end of that
61:17 and they haven't got to the end of that pathway for various reasons. They
61:19 pathway for various reasons. They haven't gone down a third pathway. See,
61:21 haven't gone down a third pathway. See, as I said in just transgender, what I'm
61:24 as I said in just transgender, what I'm trying to what I'm trying to parse out
61:25 trying to what I'm trying to parse out here, what what I'm trying to parse out
61:27 here, what what I'm trying to parse out here, you keep you said that you think
61:30 here, you keep you said that you think sex and gender are different things. You
61:32 sex and gender are different things. You also said you don't care, but we'll get
61:33 also said you don't care, but we'll get to that in a minute. You said that sex
61:35 to that in a minute. You said that sex and gender are different things and that
61:36 and gender are different things and that you acknowledge that and yet you base
61:39 you acknowledge that and yet you base your definition of gender on sex
61:42 your definition of gender on sex categories and you ignore any variation
61:45 categories and you ignore any variation between sex categories. You just say
61:47 between sex categories. You just say there's only two and that one to one
61:50 there's only two and that one to one align with gender and yet somehow
61:53 align with gender and yet somehow they're different. So explain to me then
61:56 they're different. So explain to me then like how how do transgender people exist
61:59 like how how do transgender people exist if they're onetoone? If it if it is the
62:02 if they're onetoone? If it if it is the same thing.
62:04 same thing. >> Well, transgender people are one of the
62:06 >> Well, transgender people are one of the two sexes and their gender in their
62:08 two sexes and their gender in their heads is what they perceive themselves
62:10 heads is what they perceive themselves which is something completely
62:11 which is something completely independent
62:17 of their sex. So, uh they could they can have gender identity they want.
62:20 have gender identity they want. >> So, you do understand then that sex and
62:22 >> So, you do understand then that sex and gender are separate and not necessarily
62:24 gender are separate and not necessarily congruent. You agree with that?
62:26 congruent. You agree with that? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. I I never I never argued
62:29 >> Yes. Yes. Yes. I I never I never argued against that. I you know I totally
62:30 against that. I you know I totally understand the difference between sex
62:32 understand the difference between sex and gender but the impression that we
62:33 and gender but the impression that we get when you talk about it is that you
62:35 get when you talk about it is that you think that someone's gender identity is
62:37 think that someone's gender identity is what determines whether they take part
62:39 what determines whether they take part in men's or women's sports or we say we
62:41 in men's or women's sports or we say we understand the difference we just don't
62:43 understand the difference we just don't care what their gender identity is
62:45 care what their gender identity is because you have to be somethingified
62:47 because you have to be somethingified according to their sex
62:49 according to their sex >> just to be clear of course it does
62:52 >> just to be clear of course it does because what you just said it's not male
62:55 because what you just said it's not male and female sports it's men's and women's
62:58 and female sports it's men's and women's sports those are gender terms, not sex
63:00 sports those are gender terms, not sex terms. And since you agree that sex and
63:02 terms. And since you agree that sex and gender don't need to be congruent, we're
63:04 gender don't need to be congruent, we're not talking about sex when we're talking
63:06 not talking about sex when we're talking about gender. We're only talking about
63:08 about gender. We're only talking about gender. So if you align something as
63:10 gender. So if you align something as male or female, that's a different
63:12 male or female, that's a different conversation than if you align it as men
63:14 conversation than if you align it as men and women.
63:16 and women. >> That's because you define ma man and
63:17 >> That's because you define ma man and woman is different to us. So that that's
63:20 woman is different to us. So that that's what's causing even say
63:24 what's causing even say >> sorry I I do because even in your the
63:28 >> sorry I I do because even in your the way you just described it that would be
63:31 way you just described it that would be necessary.
63:34 necessary. >> So you gave me a definition of
63:36 >> So you gave me a definition of >> you gave me a definition of woman as
63:38 >> you gave me a definition of woman as adult human female and then immediately
63:41 adult human female and then immediately gave me an explanation of sex and gender
63:43 gave me an explanation of sex and gender that violates that definition.
63:46 that violates that definition. >> No, it doesn't. It it doesn't at all
63:48 >> No, it doesn't. It it doesn't at all because as I said anybody could be of
63:50 because as I said anybody could be of any gender. It's what's in your head.
63:52 any gender. It's what's in your head. It's it's completely you know arbit
63:56 It's it's completely you know arbit man, woman or cat.
63:57 man, woman or cat. >> How is it possible? Sorry Rob. First of
64:00 >> How is it possible? Sorry Rob. First of all, cat isn't a gender. Second of all,
64:02 all, cat isn't a gender. Second of all, how is it possible if if you think that
64:06 how is it possible if if you think that woman definitionally means female? Then
64:10 woman definitionally means female? Then how is it possible for someone to be any
64:12 how is it possible for someone to be any gender they like in their heads if sex
64:14 gender they like in their heads if sex and gender are so deeply related that
64:17 and gender are so deeply related that you use one to define the other?
64:21 you use one to define the other? >> It sounds like you're trying to have
64:22 >> It sounds like you're trying to have your cake and eat two here.
64:24 your cake and eat two here. >> No, no, no. I mean,
64:27 >> No, no, no. I mean, you know, that's that's our definition
64:28 you know, that's that's our definition of you know a woman. So a woman is an
64:30 of you know a woman. So a woman is an adult or human female. So all women are
64:32 adult or human female. So all women are female but not all females are women
64:34 female but not all females are women because it goes against it depends on
64:36 because it goes against it depends on the age. Uh but what I said earlier
64:39 the age. Uh but what I said earlier about
64:40 about >> what
64:41 >> what >> uh you know you mentioned about uh
64:43 >> uh you know you mentioned about uh people u you know when their anatomy is
64:46 people u you know when their anatomy is organized around one area uh the reason
64:48 organized around one area uh the reason why I asked you about the mammals is
64:50 why I asked you about the mammals is because there are certain
64:50 because there are certain characteristics of mammals and one of
64:52 characteristics of mammals and one of which is to have three earbones and you
64:55 which is to have three earbones and you said we agree all humans are mammals. So
64:58 said we agree all humans are mammals. So that includes people who don't have
65:00 that includes people who don't have three earbones. So if you have an ear
65:01 three earbones. So if you have an ear infection and your ear dam earbones are
65:03 infection and your ear dam earbones are damaged and you don't have three
65:04 damaged and you don't have three earbones, you're still a mammal because
65:06 earbones, you're still a mammal because you've gone down that uh you know
65:09 you've gone down that uh you know because you've gone down that
65:09 because you've gone down that development pathway. And that's why a
65:12 development pathway. And that's why a woman who uh can't menstruate or produce
65:15 woman who uh can't menstruate or produce gamt, she's still a woman. She's gone
65:17 gamt, she's still a woman. She's gone down that that same pathway.
65:21 down that that same pathway. >> Right? Here's the issue is that what
65:24 >> Right? Here's the issue is that what what you're miss what you're missing
65:25 what you're miss what you're missing here is that it's not it is true to say
65:29 here is that it's not it is true to say mammals typically have these things and
65:30 mammals typically have these things and this is the way that we categorize
65:32 this is the way that we categorize mammals and therefore to say one person
65:34 mammals and therefore to say one person is missing this whatever it's like the
65:35 is missing this whatever it's like the whole the the usual transphobic argument
65:37 whole the the usual transphobic argument of like oh if I if someone's born
65:39 of like oh if I if someone's born without an arm that doesn't mean we
65:40 without an arm that doesn't mean we can't say that humans don't have two
65:42 can't say that humans don't have two arms anymore what we say is humans
65:44 arms anymore what we say is humans typically have two arms and mammals
65:46 typically have two arms and mammals typically have three earbones what we're
65:49 typically have three earbones what we're doing here is cluster categorization
65:51 doing here is cluster categorization So when we talk about we talk about sex
65:54 So when we talk about we talk about sex when we talk about sex we can talk about
65:56 when we talk about sex we can talk about you know whether the marian or wolfian
65:58 you know whether the marian or wolfian ducts develop. We can talk about ovaries
66:00 ducts develop. We can talk about ovaries versus testes. We can talk about uh the
66:03 versus testes. We can talk about uh the the shape of your pelvis or your nucal
66:05 the shape of your pelvis or your nucal crest or your uh uh you know jawbone or
66:08 crest or your uh uh you know jawbone or whatever other thing you want to talk
66:10 whatever other thing you want to talk about. We can look at all these
66:11 about. We can look at all these categorizations whether it be
66:12 categorizations whether it be chromosomes, hormones, internal anatomy,
66:15 chromosomes, hormones, internal anatomy, external anat internal genitalia,
66:17 external anat internal genitalia, external genitalia, whatever it may be.
66:20 external genitalia, whatever it may be. What we're doing is we're doing cluster
66:21 What we're doing is we're doing cluster categorization. We're just grouping
66:23 categorization. We're just grouping things based on like the majority. And
66:26 things based on like the majority. And usually the biggest factor is phenotypic
66:29 usually the biggest factor is phenotypic presentation. So, like for example, I
66:31 presentation. So, like for example, I I've got a human biology textbook right
66:32 I've got a human biology textbook right behind me here that talks about interex
66:35 behind me here that talks about interex people and it talks about like here's
66:36 people and it talks about like here's this person who has XY chromosomes and
66:38 this person who has XY chromosomes and has complete androgen sensitivity
66:40 has complete androgen sensitivity syndrome. We were we're we're just going
66:42 syndrome. We were we're we're just going to call this person a female because
66:44 to call this person a female because that's what they're presenting as.
66:46 that's what they're presenting as. That's what they're living as. That's
66:47 That's what they're living as. That's all the and it says this in this book
66:49 all the and it says this in this book that's talking about these differences
66:51 that's talking about these differences because that's how it works. It's
66:53 because that's how it works. It's cluster categorization. There's there's
66:55 cluster categorization. There's there's no like checklist. you go down and
66:58 no like checklist. you go down and you're like, "Oh, you now have enough
66:59 you're like, "Oh, you now have enough things that we can call you female or
67:01 things that we can call you female or male or like you only go this way or
67:03 male or like you only go this way or that way." The fact of the matter is sex
67:05 that way." The fact of the matter is sex is a multivariate system. Lots of
67:07 is a multivariate system. Lots of different factors going into it. Not a
67:08 different factors going into it. Not a single one of which is solely
67:10 single one of which is solely determinant of the outcome. Not a single
67:12 determinant of the outcome. Not a single one of which has only two options. And
67:14 one of which has only two options. And you end up with this diverse.
67:17 you end up with this diverse. >> No, there's not. And you end up with
67:19 >> No, there's not. And you end up with this diverse spectrum of sexual you end
67:22 this diverse spectrum of sexual you end up with this diverse spectrum of of you
67:25 up with this diverse spectrum of of you know sexual presentation which we as
67:28 know sexual presentation which we as humans as scientists then draw little
67:30 humans as scientists then draw little boxes around and say we're going to
67:32 boxes around and say we're going to label these things as this or that and
67:34 label these things as this or that and just kind of ignore the fuzzy gray area
67:36 just kind of ignore the fuzzy gray area in the middle. The same way that we do
67:38 in the middle. The same way that we do with species and lots of other concepts
67:40 with species and lots of other concepts in biology. We just put little boxes
67:43 in biology. We just put little boxes around patterns and then we roll with
67:45 around patterns and then we roll with that until proven otherwise. And at this
67:48 that until proven otherwise. And at this moment, for the past hundred years,
67:49 moment, for the past hundred years, we've been discovering more and more
67:51 we've been discovering more and more that sex is a lot more complicated than
67:52 that sex is a lot more complicated than we thought. And we're at a point now
67:54 we thought. And we're at a point now where our language hasn't quite caught
67:56 where our language hasn't quite caught uh caught up with our scientific
67:58 uh caught up with our scientific understanding of it. And so we know now
68:00 understanding of it. And so we know now that sex is not a strict binary. Gender
68:03 that sex is not a strict binary. Gender is a completely separate thing from sex
68:04 is a completely separate thing from sex that is related to but not necessarily
68:07 that is related to but not necessarily connected that can be in congruent.
68:09 connected that can be in congruent. >> And that that gender is also a binary
68:12 >> And that that gender is also a binary significantly more spectral.
68:14 significantly more spectral. significantly more. Sex is binary in
68:17 significantly more. Sex is binary in categorization, not in reality.
68:19 categorization, not in reality. >> Sex is binary.
68:22 >> Sex is binary. >> Variations within the binary, but
68:24 >> Variations within the binary, but there's still a binary.
68:25 there's still a binary. >> Sorry, Eric. Did you say something?
68:27 >> Sorry, Eric. Did you say something? >> That's not what Okay. Sorry. More than
68:28 >> That's not what Okay. Sorry. More than two isn't two. Rob, variations within
68:31 two isn't two. Rob, variations within the binary means non binary.
68:32 the binary means non binary. >> Two B.
68:33 >> Two B. >> No, it's not. There's binarations within
68:35 >> No, it's not. There's binarations within the binary.
68:37 the binary. >> So, you could have u you know, you have
68:39 >> So, you could have u you know, you have variations in
68:42 variations in um
68:42 um >> what what defines the binary? What is
68:44 >> what what defines the binary? What is the necessary condition for being either
68:46 the necessary condition for being either male or female? What is the definition
68:48 male or female? What is the definition of the binary? The one thing that we can
68:49 of the binary? The one thing that we can say this is
68:50 say this is >> being organized around
68:52 >> being organized around >> being organized around the production of
68:53 >> being organized around the production of larger or small gametes. There's no
68:55 larger or small gametes. There's no intermediate gametes. Everyone is either
68:57 intermediate gametes. Everyone is either male or female. There are some people
69:00 male or female. There are some people who are ambiguous. Now most people it's
69:01 who are ambiguous. Now most people it's obvious but there are some people
69:03 obvious but there are some people >> and so just to be clear
69:05 >> and so just to be clear >> you are in that case you are in that
69:07 >> you are in that case you are in that case only talking about humans. When you
69:10 case only talking about humans. When you say sex is binary, you mean human sex
69:12 say sex is binary, you mean human sex specifically is binary.
69:16 specifically is binary. >> Yeah. I'm not here to talk about clown
69:17 >> Yeah. I'm not here to talk about clown fish and how they change sex and fungi
69:19 fish and how they change sex and fungi and all that other stuff which is
69:21 and all that other stuff which is irrelevant.
69:21 irrelevant. >> I'm just trying to just trying to get
69:23 >> I'm just trying to just trying to get your idea straight here because you can
69:25 your idea straight here because you can agree that sex by and large in the
69:27 agree that sex by and large in the animal kingdom and and even beyond
69:29 animal kingdom and and even beyond across the plant kingdom. Sex overall
69:32 across the plant kingdom. Sex overall certainly isn't binary. Right. Clearly.
69:35 certainly isn't binary. Right. Clearly. Well, as I said, I'm not talking about
69:38 Well, as I said, I'm not talking about non-mammals or fungi, whatever. Let's
69:40 non-mammals or fungi, whatever. Let's let's just stick to huminary.
69:46 >> I was just trying to find common ground with you. Yes. Okay. So, we're talking
69:48 with you. Yes. Okay. So, we're talking about just humans, only in humans, and
69:51 about just humans, only in humans, and you're only defining sex as being
69:55 you're only defining sex as being whatever the hell organized around
69:56 whatever the hell organized around means, organized around production of
69:59 means, organized around production of one game to the other.
70:01 one game to the other. >> So, what you're talking about here isn't
70:03 >> So, what you're talking about here isn't really biology. It's it's more like
70:05 really biology. It's it's more like fortunetelling. It's that you can
70:07 fortunetelling. It's that you can decideology what someone's developmental
70:10 decideology what someone's developmental path you're deciding what someone's
70:12 path you're deciding what someone's developmental pathway was supposed to be
70:14 developmental pathway was supposed to be like and then deciding where they can
70:17 like and then deciding where they can pee because of it.
70:24 >> Well, yeah. I mean, if they're uh if you're going by the, you know,
70:25 you're going by the, you know, biological, then you'd have to you have
70:27 biological, then you'd have to you have to look at why uh why these women in the
70:30 to look at why uh why these women in the UK have protested so hard in wanting
70:31 UK have protested so hard in wanting women's only spaces.
70:34 women's only spaces. probably similar reasons to why probably
70:37 probably similar reasons to why probably similar reasons why
70:40 similar reasons why >> Yeah. and I was I was listening to you.
70:41 >> Yeah. and I was I was listening to you. So, just to be clear, you're talking
70:43 So, just to be clear, you're talking about here's these women that are
70:44 about here's these women that are protesting for women's only spaces.
70:46 protesting for women's only spaces. There's also people who are protesting
70:48 There's also people who are protesting on the opposite side of this saying that
70:50 on the opposite side of this saying that sex and gender are different and trans
70:51 sex and gender are different and trans people deserve the right to live. So,
70:53 people deserve the right to live. So, like I don't know what like has to do
70:57 like I don't know what like has to do with anything or like why that's useful.
70:59 with anything or like why that's useful. >> I don't know why that's a useful thing
71:00 >> I don't know why that's a useful thing to bring up. No, nobody. Sorry. Sorry.
71:04 to bring up. No, nobody. Sorry. Sorry. >> Sorry. There's a delay. So, because I'm
71:06 >> Sorry. There's a delay. So, because I'm in the UK, so things overlap. Sorry.
71:08 in the UK, so things overlap. Sorry. >> I understand. Go ahead.
71:11 >> I understand. Go ahead. >> Okay. Yeah. Is nobody's denying trans
71:14 >> Okay. Yeah. Is nobody's denying trans people's right to, you know, exist.
71:15 people's right to, you know, exist. Nobody's wanting we, you know, we
71:17 Nobody's wanting we, you know, we totally understand how people identify
71:19 totally understand how people identify and how they uh how they perceive
71:22 and how they uh how they perceive themselves. Uh but
71:25 themselves. Uh but you know, there has to be categories and
71:26 you know, there has to be categories and things. You know, I I'm an you know, I'm
71:28 things. You know, I I'm an you know, I'm an adult. I'm not disabled in any way.
71:30 an adult. I'm not disabled in any way. and I can't take part in disabled
71:32 and I can't take part in disabled sports. I can't take part in children's
71:34 sports. I can't take part in children's sports. These these things are denied to
71:38 sports. These these things are denied to me. But that's not some discrimination.
71:39 me. But that's not some discrimination. It's just not my category.
71:41 It's just not my category. >> Right. But you understand you understand
71:43 >> Right. But you understand you understand how those are terrible analogies, right?
71:46 how those are terrible analogies, right? >> No, I think a good
71:49 >> No, I think a good >> selfidentification
71:51 >> selfidentification selfidentification has nothing to do
71:53 selfidentification has nothing to do with disability or age. It has to do
71:56 with disability or age. It has to do with social status. All social
71:58 with social status. All social categorization relies in one way or
72:01 categorization relies in one way or another on on self-identification. And
72:02 another on on self-identification. And so gender, as you agree, being a social
72:05 so gender, as you agree, being a social category has a self-identification
72:07 category has a self-identification aspect to it. And that's why that's
72:09 aspect to it. And that's why that's important, especially when you use
72:11 important, especially when you use gender labels, not sex labels, for
72:13 gender labels, not sex labels, for different spaces. Now, if you want to
72:16 different spaces. Now, if you want to say male only or female only spaces,
72:19 say male only or female only spaces, okay, that's a different conversation,
72:21 okay, that's a different conversation, but it brings the same question, which
72:22 but it brings the same question, which is what the [ __ ] does that mean? And how
72:25 is what the [ __ ] does that mean? And how do you measure that? Like how do you
72:27 do you measure that? Like how do you test that?
72:29 test that? >> So like
72:30 >> So like >> over and over you you have these
72:33 >> over and over you you have these >> over and over you have these issues
72:34 >> over and over you have these issues where you're you it seems to me like you
72:37 where you're you it seems to me like you were trying really hard to lay down
72:39 were trying really hard to lay down rules without any clear indication of
72:41 rules without any clear indication of how those rules would be enforced or
72:43 how those rules would be enforced or what the implications for those rules
72:44 what the implications for those rules are for trans people. Because for all
72:47 are for trans people. Because for all your talk of trying to protect women,
72:49 your talk of trying to protect women, you certainly don't seem very interested
72:51 you certainly don't seem very interested in protecting trans women or trans men
72:53 in protecting trans women or trans men or non-binary people for that matter.
72:56 or non-binary people for that matter. Well, I mean I mean non-binary people
72:58 Well, I mean I mean non-binary people are just people who are just confused or
73:01 are just people who are just confused or something or attention seeking. But
73:03 something or attention seeking. But >> okay, when you talk about something,
73:05 >> okay, when you talk about something, >> of course. Yeah. If I'm not surprised
73:07 >> of course. Yeah. If I'm not surprised you think that considering everything
73:08 you think that considering everything else, but we'll get to that later.
73:11 else, but we'll get to that later. >> Okay. So, saying is that a lot of these
73:14 >> Okay. So, saying is that a lot of these trans people, they're not denied
73:15 trans people, they're not denied anything. They can still take part in
73:17 anything. They can still take part in sport. They can still use the restroom
73:19 sport. They can still use the restroom and everything, but they're and they can
73:21 and everything, but they're and they can still go to various places. So, they're
73:23 still go to various places. So, they're not denied anything. They just have to
73:24 not denied anything. They just have to be within this, you know, within the
73:27 be within this, you know, within the category of their sex that's provided to
73:29 category of their sex that's provided to them and not the one that they identify
73:31 them and not the one that they identify into.
73:32 into. >> Why?
73:33 >> Why? >> Let's let's try to walk through this.
73:35 >> Let's let's try to walk through this. Why should they have why why should a
73:37 Why should they have why why should a trans man be forced to use the women's
73:40 trans man be forced to use the women's restroom?
73:46 >> Well, I suppose it's because they're women.
73:49 women. >> So So you think that this person is
73:51 >> So So you think that this person is different though? This So you think this
73:54 different though? This So you think this person with a beard and and muscles and
73:58 person with a beard and and muscles and all this? Just this this this very
74:00 all this? Just this this this very masculine looking person should just
74:02 masculine looking person should just stroll on up into the women's bathroom
74:05 stroll on up into the women's bathroom and and try to do their business in
74:07 and and try to do their business in there. You don't think that might be
74:09 there. You don't think that might be traumatizing, triggering, upsetting for
74:11 traumatizing, triggering, upsetting for the women in there?
74:14 the women in there? >> Well, they you knowve I've seen quite a
74:17 >> Well, they you knowve I've seen quite a few and they all you could tell they're
74:18 few and they all you could tell they're women really. Uh, I you can't that's
74:22 women really. Uh, I you can't that's dumb. But that's also not what I asked.
74:24 dumb. But that's also not what I asked. That's not what I asked
74:27 That's not what I asked because here in the states, I don't know
74:29 because here in the states, I don't know if you know this, but where we are
74:32 if you know this, but where we are currently trying to push more and more
74:33 currently trying to push more and more anti-trans legislation and more
74:35 anti-trans legislation and more anti-trans talking points like the ones
74:36 anti-trans talking points like the ones you're using here, there have already
74:38 you're using here, there have already been a rash of instances where cisgender
74:42 been a rash of instances where cisgender women are being attacked in the
74:45 women are being attacked in the bathroom, called out and had police
74:47 bathroom, called out and had police calls and things because people assume
74:48 calls and things because people assume that they are trans women and now
74:50 that they are trans women and now they're given this voice. So,
74:52 they're given this voice. So, >> if a if someone who looks a bit
74:55 >> if a if someone who looks a bit masculine walks in and gets accused of
74:57 masculine walks in and gets accused of being trans, but they're actually sis,
75:00 being trans, but they're actually sis, or if a trans man walks into the
75:02 or if a trans man walks into the bathroom and frightens a bunch of women
75:04 bathroom and frightens a bunch of women in there because, oh my god, there's a
75:05 in there because, oh my god, there's a man in the bathroom. Like, how do we
75:07 man in the bathroom. Like, how do we resolve these situations?
75:13 Well, a lot of these people are, you know, seriously once you tell, you know,
75:15 know, seriously once you tell, you know, you could just just from talking to
75:17 you could just just from talking to someone, listen to their voice, uh, the
75:19 someone, listen to their voice, uh, the way they walk, you could tell a lot
75:21 way they walk, you could tell a lot that, you know, I know you're using the
75:23 that, you know, I know you're using the trans.
75:25 trans. >> So, a trans man who walks into the
75:26 >> So, a trans man who walks into the bathroom needs to publicly announce
75:29 bathroom needs to publicly announce himself and make sure everyone can hear
75:31 himself and make sure everyone can hear his voice so they can decide whether or
75:33 his voice so they can decide whether or not secretly he's actually female.
75:37 not secretly he's actually female. What often happens is somebody would
75:38 What often happens is somebody would say, "Are you sure you're supposed to be
75:39 say, "Are you sure you're supposed to be in here?" And then once they speak or
75:41 in here?" And then once they speak or something, then you could Did you get an
75:44 something, then you could Did you get an idea?
75:44 idea? >> So So then so for a trans man to use the
75:47 >> So So then so for a trans man to use the bathroom, you think it's reasonable for
75:49 bathroom, you think it's reasonable for them to expect to be challenged and
75:52 them to expect to be challenged and questioned about their gender and sex on
75:54 questioned about their gender and sex on entrance to the bathroom?
75:57 entrance to the bathroom? Well, if these people have taken so much
75:58 Well, if these people have taken so much testosterone that they, you know, they
76:00 testosterone that they, you know, they have a beard and everything and balding,
76:02 have a beard and everything and balding, then it's it's kind of like to be
76:04 then it's it's kind of like to be expected.
76:07 expected. >> Well, yeah. I think it would be expected
76:08 >> Well, yeah. I think it would be expected if someone with a beard and balding and
76:10 if someone with a beard and balding and all that stuff walks into the woman's
76:11 all that stuff walks into the woman's bathroom. It would be expected for them
76:13 bathroom. It would be expected for them to be questioned on why they're there.
76:15 to be questioned on why they're there. What I'm asking is, do you think that is
76:17 What I'm asking is, do you think that is a good way for them to live and a good
76:20 a good way for them to live and a good way for the cisgender women in that
76:21 way for the cisgender women in that bathroom to live that they might just
76:24 bathroom to live that they might just have to deal with that every single time
76:26 have to deal with that every single time they have to pee?
76:29 they have to pee? Well, it's I'd say it's probably a
76:32 Well, it's I'd say it's probably a necessary
76:33 necessary condition if it u if it protects uh you
76:37 condition if it u if it protects uh you know women who from in their women's
76:40 know women who from in their women's only spaces from from say you know trans
76:44 only spaces from from say you know trans women who you know may have autogophilia
76:47 women who you know may have autogophilia um and a lot of the trans women you know
76:50 um and a lot of the trans women you know from the looking at the data here they
76:52 from the looking at the data here they are four times more likely to commit a
76:54 are four times more likely to commit a sexual offense uh than other men. So,
76:57 sexual offense uh than other men. So, can I ask
77:02 >> that's actually not true. >> If you look at the prison data in the
77:03 >> If you look at the prison data in the UK, you can see
77:04 UK, you can see >> just to be really clear, just to be
77:06 >> just to be really clear, just to be really clear, uh the the data you're
77:09 really clear, uh the the data you're talking about sounds an awful lot like
77:10 talking about sounds an awful lot like you're using Jerry Coin's argument,
77:12 you're using Jerry Coin's argument, which is the definition of sampling
77:14 which is the definition of sampling bias. He's looking at people who are
77:16 bias. He's looking at people who are already in prison and not taking into
77:19 already in prison and not taking into account why they're there or how people
77:21 account why they're there or how people are are judged differently based on
77:23 are are judged differently based on these things. What's more important is
77:24 these things. What's more important is that there are actually other data which
77:26 that there are actually other data which show that trans people across the board
77:28 show that trans people across the board are four times more likely to be the
77:30 are four times more likely to be the victims of sexual and and other nonvi
77:34 victims of sexual and and other nonvi nonsexual assaults and violence. So they
77:36 nonsexual assaults and violence. So they are much more likely to be the victims
77:38 are much more likely to be the victims of these things, not the perpetrators of
77:39 of these things, not the perpetrators of these things. And you brought up trans
77:41 these things. And you brought up trans women here. I was talking about trans
77:42 women here. I was talking about trans men. Again, you're now talking about
77:45 men. Again, you're now talking about trans women having to go into the male
77:47 trans women having to go into the male restroom where they are four times more
77:50 restroom where they are four times more likely to be assaulted by men. Is their
77:54 likely to be assaulted by men. Is their safety not a concern?
77:56 safety not a concern? >> They're not. No, no, it's not. That's
77:59 >> They're not. No, no, it's not. That's I've not seen that figure, so I you
78:00 I've not seen that figure, so I you know, that's not something I
78:02 know, that's not something I >> Oh, happy to pull it up for you. Happy
78:03 >> Oh, happy to pull it up for you. Happy to pull it up for you right now.
78:04 to pull it up for you right now. >> Exactly.
78:05 >> Exactly. >> So, Forest, while you're while you're
78:06 >> So, Forest, while you're while you're pulling that up, you know, I I just I
78:08 pulling that up, you know, I I just I would like to pose something to Rob
78:09 would like to pose something to Rob here. you know, before before all of
78:12 here. you know, before before all of this became a thing, right? And by it, I
78:15 this became a thing, right? And by it, I mean the the sort of transexclusionary
78:18 mean the the sort of transexclusionary radical feminist movement that started
78:20 radical feminist movement that started over in the UK and has sort of
78:22 over in the UK and has sort of metastasized elsewhere before that sort
78:24 metastasized elsewhere before that sort of became a thing over the past decade.
78:26 of became a thing over the past decade. Like, you know, that trans people still
78:28 Like, you know, that trans people still existed and they used the bathroom of
78:31 existed and they used the bathroom of the gender they identified as and there
78:34 the gender they identified as and there was not a problem. Trans people have
78:36 was not a problem. Trans people have existed since society has existed. And
78:38 existed since society has existed. And you we could have a conversation about
78:39 you we could have a conversation about the numbers or whatever, but there was
78:42 the numbers or whatever, but there was not a statistic and has never been a
78:45 not a statistic and has never been a statistic that supports the notion that
78:47 statistic that supports the notion that trans people from the 70s and 80s and
78:50 trans people from the 70s and 80s and 90s and as that these individuals were
78:53 90s and as that these individuals were like feverishly assaulting women or men
78:56 like feverishly assaulting women or men in bathrooms. So like where where all of
79:00 in bathrooms. So like where where all of a sudden is is this fear? And I would
79:03 a sudden is is this fear? And I would ask this to any trans-exclusionary
79:06 ask this to any trans-exclusionary radical feminist that I would encounter.
79:07 radical feminist that I would encounter. Where is the fear coming from? Because
79:09 Where is the fear coming from? Because these people didn't come out of the
79:12 these people didn't come out of the woodwork. They didn't come out of
79:13 woodwork. They didn't come out of nowhere. They've existed for quite some
79:14 nowhere. They've existed for quite some time. They've even been in the media,
79:16 time. They've even been in the media, right? Like they there are movies about
79:18 right? Like they there are movies about this and you know they've aged very
79:20 this and you know they've aged very poorly, but there are movies that that
79:21 poorly, but there are movies that that concern trans people in in our culture
79:23 concern trans people in in our culture and in our media in the West. So my
79:25 and in our media in the West. So my question is for you while Force is
79:28 question is for you while Force is pulling this figure up, where's the fear
79:30 pulling this figure up, where's the fear coming from?
79:33 coming from? >> Okay. Well, you're right. There have
79:35 >> Okay. Well, you're right. There have always been uh trans people. So there's
79:37 always been uh trans people. So there's always been people who um are of one sex
79:40 always been people who um are of one sex and wanted to live their lives and be
79:43 and wanted to live their lives and be treated as a member of the opposite sex.
79:45 treated as a member of the opposite sex. That's so uh what has been different in
79:48 That's so uh what has been different in the past is uh that's come out more
79:50 the past is uh that's come out more recently is just the the sheer explosion
79:52 recently is just the the sheer explosion in the numbers and before there were
79:54 in the numbers and before there were different criteria. So, for example, a
79:56 different criteria. So, for example, a man who wanted uh you know identified as
79:58 man who wanted uh you know identified as a woman uh to get like a gender break
80:01 a woman uh to get like a gender break certificate, he'd have to have surgery
80:03 certificate, he'd have to have surgery at all. But now it's just open. When you
80:05 at all. But now it's just open. When you have like identification, you
80:07 have like identification, you selfidentification, you just have people
80:09 selfidentification, you just have people in, you know, just just put on a dress
80:11 in, you know, just just put on a dress and a wig
80:12 and a wig >> and go into a space. And
80:15 >> and go into a space. And >> I don't I don't think that's true
80:16 >> I don't I don't think that's true though, Rob. Like I I'm no expert in
80:18 though, Rob. Like I I'm no expert in this subject, but I am at least a little
80:21 this subject, but I am at least a little bit familiar with it. And I don't think
80:24 bit familiar with it. And I don't think that in the past in the '7s, in the 80s,
80:26 that in the past in the '7s, in the 80s, in the '90s, that trans people, trans
80:29 in the '90s, that trans people, trans men or trans women were required to like
80:31 men or trans women were required to like show an ID or like show their genitals
80:34 show an ID or like show their genitals or something like that to prove that
80:36 or something like that to prove that they'd had some kind of surgery. I think
80:38 they'd had some kind of surgery. I think that the way that this worked is that
80:40 that the way that this worked is that this is a marginalized group of people
80:42 this is a marginalized group of people who were flying fairly under the radar
80:45 who were flying fairly under the radar at that point in time and they just used
80:47 at that point in time and they just used the bathroom that they identified as and
80:49 the bathroom that they identified as and nobody really batted an eye or if
80:52 nobody really batted an eye or if somebody did like think that they were a
80:55 somebody did like think that they were a transgender individual they would be
80:56 transgender individual they would be like oh that's a transgender individual
80:58 like oh that's a transgender individual and then they would mind their business.
80:59 and then they would mind their business. I mean of course there were there are
81:01 I mean of course there were there are exceptions but I think by and large
81:03 exceptions but I think by and large people were mostly concerned during that
81:05 people were mostly concerned during that time period with gay people. trans
81:06 time period with gay people. trans people were just kind of like doing
81:08 people were just kind of like doing their thing. Um, not to say that life
81:10 their thing. Um, not to say that life was easy or anything like that. I'm just
81:11 was easy or anything like that. I'm just saying like this hubbhub this this I
81:14 saying like this hubbhub this this I >> my thinking on it is that it's a bit of
81:16 >> my thinking on it is that it's a bit of a and a bit
81:20 a and a bit >> sure but the the criminal statistics
81:23 >> sure but the the criminal statistics haven't changed like the the I had
81:26 haven't changed like the the I had noticed when I was listening to you in
81:27 noticed when I was listening to you in forest talk you know the citation that
81:28 forest talk you know the citation that you gave was specifically with relation
81:30 you gave was specifically with relation to women's prisons. So, I'd like to ask,
81:34 to women's prisons. So, I'd like to ask, is there a statistic that exists that
81:36 is there a statistic that exists that shows that trans people, men or women,
81:40 shows that trans people, men or women, are committing more sexual crimes in
81:42 are committing more sexual crimes in more bathrooms now that there are more
81:44 more bathrooms now that there are more of them?
81:47 of them? >> Yes, it's uh it's gone up. I mean, I've
81:49 >> Yes, it's uh it's gone up. I mean, I've looked at the uh I think the study. So,
81:53 looked at the uh I think the study. So, um
81:54 um UK prison and I think the I think the US
81:57 UK prison and I think the I think the US might be similar. Sorry. So what so what
82:00 might be similar. Sorry. So what so what it does is that women are
82:02 it does is that women are >> Let me let me this just really quick Rob
82:04 >> Let me let me this just really quick Rob because I just want to make sure that
82:04 because I just want to make sure that we're on the same page. What I'm asking
82:06 we're on the same page. What I'm asking for is a statistic that shows a
82:09 for is a statistic that shows a discrepancy between trans and cis
82:11 discrepancy between trans and cis individuals not in prison, not like
82:15 individuals not in prison, not like regular sex offenders because I would
82:16 regular sex offenders because I would suspect that sex offenders outside of
82:19 suspect that sex offenders outside of prison and sex offenders inside of
82:21 prison and sex offenders inside of prison are going to map fairly similarly
82:23 prison are going to map fairly similarly to one another. So, what I'm asking for
82:25 to one another. So, what I'm asking for is for regular nonsex offender people,
82:29 is for regular nonsex offender people, is there a statistic that shows that
82:32 is there a statistic that shows that there is a predisposition amongst trans
82:34 there is a predisposition amongst trans people as opposed to sis people that
82:36 people as opposed to sis people that makes them more likely to commit sexual
82:38 makes them more likely to commit sexual crimes,
82:40 crimes, not already ones that are in jail, ones
82:42 not already ones that are in jail, ones that are just running walking around in
82:44 that are just running walking around in in the in the light of day. And if there
82:47 in the in the light of day. And if there is, can you tell me what that statistic
82:49 is, can you tell me what that statistic is?
82:50 is? >> Well, how would you know if they've not
82:52 >> Well, how would you know if they've not been arrested then? The only way you can
82:54 been arrested then? The only way you can look at these data is to look at people
82:56 look at these data is to look at people who have already been arrested. And when
82:58 who have already been arrested. And when you look at
82:59 you look at >> Yes. I'm askendra
83:01 >> Yes. I'm askendra to sexual offending.
83:03 to sexual offending. >> Like a first time offense kind of thing,
83:05 >> Like a first time offense kind of thing, right?
83:06 right? >> I I said I'm asking for like a first
83:08 >> I I said I'm asking for like a first time offender kind of thing. Like is
83:10 time offender kind of thing. Like is there a statistic out there that's like,
83:11 there a statistic out there that's like, okay, we're looking at the general
83:12 okay, we're looking at the general populace and now we've got this new wave
83:14 populace and now we've got this new wave of sex offenders who are who are all
83:16 of sex offenders who are who are all trans people is what I the vibe that I'm
83:18 trans people is what I the vibe that I'm getting from you. Like is can you please
83:20 getting from you. Like is can you please share with me that statistic?
83:27 I mean first time offends it doesn't it's not classified according to that
83:29 it's not classified according to that well it just says the prison data and
83:30 well it just says the prison data and the prison data shows that say trans
83:33 the prison data shows that say trans women are four times more likely to
83:34 women are four times more likely to commit a sexual offense than what you
83:37 commit a sexual offense than what you would call cis men and
83:39 would call cis men and >> there
83:41 >> there are statistics that exist that are first
83:44 are statistics that exist that are first time offenders between like cisgendered
83:46 time offenders between like cisgendered men and women right like it will come as
83:48 men and women right like it will come as a shock to nobody out there that amongst
83:51 a shock to nobody out there that amongst cis Men commit more sexual crimes than
83:54 cis Men commit more sexual crimes than women do. That is not surprising. That
83:57 women do. That is not surprising. That statistic exists. We can look it up,
84:00 statistic exists. We can look it up, right? And we can parse it. Yeah. But
84:01 right? And we can parse it. Yeah. But but what I'm saying is that number
84:03 but what I'm saying is that number exists. I can sit down on my computer
84:05 exists. I can sit down on my computer and look up first time offenses, sex
84:07 and look up first time offenses, sex crimes, men versus women, and that's
84:08 crimes, men versus women, and that's going to pop up and they're going to all
84:10 going to pop up and they're going to all be cis individuals. Is there a similar
84:13 be cis individuals. Is there a similar statistic or trans people that compares
84:16 statistic or trans people that compares them to cis people first- time offenses?
84:17 them to cis people first- time offenses? Because what I'm trying to tell you is I
84:20 Because what I'm trying to tell you is I don't think that it does and I think
84:22 don't think that it does and I think that the statistics do I guess I should
84:25 that the statistics do I guess I should say the statistics I suspect do exist
84:26 say the statistics I suspect do exist and they don't show a bias towards trans
84:28 and they don't show a bias towards trans people. I don't think that there's going
84:30 people. I don't think that there's going to look at the prison data. So and also
84:34 to look at the prison data. So and also the prison data is for the more severe
84:36 the prison data is for the more severe cases. So it says so basically for women
84:39 cases. So it says so basically for women it's uh for rate of sexual offending
84:42 it's uh for rate of sexual offending three per million for cis men it's 395
84:46 three per million for cis men it's 395 per million but for trans women so men
84:48 per million but for trans women so men identifying as women it's 1,916
84:52 identifying as women it's 1,916 per million so they have a much greater
84:54 per million so they have a much greater propensity for committing sexual
84:55 propensity for committing sexual offenses.
84:57 offenses. >> I I hear what you're saying here but to
84:58 >> I I hear what you're saying here but to me the problem and force is about to
85:00 me the problem and force is about to dissect that data. I'm going to leave
85:02 dissect that data. I'm going to leave that to him. But I'm I'm saying let's
85:04 that to him. But I'm I'm saying let's take that at face value. And here's the
85:06 take that at face value. And here's the problem that I see with that. To me,
85:07 problem that I see with that. To me, that's like saying that men and women
85:09 that's like saying that men and women are equally likely to commit a violent
85:12 are equally likely to commit a violent crime. Because if you look at the prison
85:14 crime. Because if you look at the prison data, women in prison are committing
85:15 data, women in prison are committing just as many violent crimes to other
85:17 just as many violent crimes to other prisoners as men in prison are. The
85:20 prisoners as men in prison are. The problem is what? Hear me out.
85:22 problem is what? Hear me out. >> No, you've heard that wrong.
85:23 >> No, you've heard that wrong. >> No, no, hear me. Hear me out. There's a
85:25 >> No, no, hear me. Hear me out. There's a point to this. What I'm saying is that
85:27 point to this. What I'm saying is that when you're subsampling from a prison,
85:29 when you're subsampling from a prison, you are subsampling a much more violent
85:32 you are subsampling a much more violent group of individuals because you're
85:34 group of individuals because you're already sampling from criminals, right?
85:36 already sampling from criminals, right? You're not sampling from the general
85:38 You're not sampling from the general public. I don't think it's going to
85:39 public. I don't think it's going to shock anybody to hear that that women in
85:42 shock anybody to hear that that women in general commit less violent crimes than
85:44 general commit less violent crimes than men in general do. But if we subset from
85:47 men in general do. But if we subset from the subsample, excuse me, from prisons,
85:49 the subsample, excuse me, from prisons, that number is going to converge a lot
85:50 that number is going to converge a lot more equally. You see what I'm saying?
85:53 more equally. You see what I'm saying? So,
85:53 So, >> no, no, it doesn't. It doesn't. I've
85:56 >> no, no, it doesn't. It doesn't. I've I've got the data in front of me. So,
85:57 I've got the data in front of me. So, basically, women go to prison for things
85:59 basically, women go to prison for things like stealing money, that kind of stuff.
86:02 like stealing money, that kind of stuff. Men are more likely to go to prison for
86:04 Men are more likely to go to prison for committing violent effect violence
86:06 committing violent effect violence assault. Um, trans women are more likely
86:09 assault. Um, trans women are more likely to go to uh more much more likely than
86:12 to go to uh more much more likely than the other men to commit a sexual
86:14 the other men to commit a sexual offense. So, perhaps the solution um is
86:18 offense. So, perhaps the solution um is to have a a segregated special unit in
86:22 to have a a segregated special unit in men's prisons for trans women.
86:30 If you're going to have a special unit in men's prisons for trans men or trans
86:33 in men's prisons for trans men or trans women is is what you're saying here,
86:36 women is is what you're saying here, >> why why wouldn't you just like why
86:38 >> why why wouldn't you just like why wouldn't you just do that in women's
86:39 wouldn't you just do that in women's prisons, though? Like, why wouldn't you
86:41 prisons, though? Like, why wouldn't you just have a special unit for sexual
86:43 just have a special unit for sexual criminals of all varieties?
86:47 criminals of all varieties? >> I mean, most of them are men, so it
86:48 >> I mean, most of them are men, so it makes more sense to have them all in the
86:51 makes more sense to have them all in the fact. So,
86:53 fact. So, >> especially considering the fact that we
86:55 >> especially considering the fact that we would be talking about maybe one person
86:59 would be talking about maybe one person for like, you know, 100 thousand or so
87:00 for like, you know, 100 thousand or so of the population. So, we're talking
87:03 of the population. So, we're talking about essentially what you're advocating
87:04 about essentially what you're advocating is just for solitary confinement just
87:06 is just for solitary confinement just because you're trans.
87:12 >> Well, they're used to solitary confinement. I mean, there are
87:14 confinement. I mean, there are segregated units, so they're used to
87:16 segregated units, so they're used to solitary to go to jail, get separated
87:19 solitary to go to jail, get separated from the general population.
87:28 I I worry that I worry that my point out for a few seconds.
87:30 for a few seconds. >> It It's fine. I worry that my point
87:31 >> It It's fine. I worry that my point wasn't gotten across, but that's okay.
87:33 wasn't gotten across, but that's okay. I'm I'm going to boot it over to Forest.
87:35 I'm I'm going to boot it over to Forest. He He knows the subject better than I
87:36 He He knows the subject better than I do. And I have to pee anyway. So, but
87:38 do. And I have to pee anyway. So, but good news to everybody out there. My lag
87:40 good news to everybody out there. My lag seems to have fixed. Let's go. Okay.
87:42 seems to have fixed. Let's go. Okay. I'll be right back.
87:43 I'll be right back. >> Hell yeah. Uh so, a couple things.
87:46 >> Hell yeah. Uh so, a couple things. Number one, um, this this is a super
87:48 Number one, um, this this is a super common talking point about 41% of trans
87:51 common talking point about 41% of trans prisoners are sex offenders in this
87:53 prisoners are sex offenders in this study in the UK. Here's an article from
87:55 study in the UK. Here's an article from The Independent that I'm going to leave
87:56 The Independent that I'm going to leave in the chat there where you can read why
87:58 in the chat there where you can read why that's [ __ ] Um, here's a couple
88:01 that's [ __ ] Um, here's a couple because it's it's it's [ __ ] sampling
88:03 because it's it's it's [ __ ] sampling bias and also they they blew it on a lot
88:05 bias and also they they blew it on a lot of reasons, but I'm not going to get
88:06 of reasons, but I'm not going to get into it right now. The point is like
88:08 into it right now. The point is like what you're talking about here, even if
88:10 what you're talking about here, even if it was as this glaring problem in
88:13 it was as this glaring problem in prisons, you're still having to face the
88:15 prisons, you're still having to face the issue of sampling bias where these
88:16 issue of sampling bias where these people are already in prison. And the
88:18 people are already in prison. And the biggest issue is that what you are doing
88:20 biggest issue is that what you are doing and the same thing that Jerry Coin did
88:22 and the same thing that Jerry Coin did whenever he used the same talking point
88:24 whenever he used the same talking point is you are doing the exact same word for
88:27 is you are doing the exact same word for word argument as the one that racists
88:30 word argument as the one that racists use all the time here in America when
88:32 use all the time here in America when they say black people are overwhelmingly
88:34 they say black people are overwhelmingly representative in prison. and especially
88:36 representative in prison. and especially for violent crimes and therefore black
88:39 for violent crimes and therefore black people are so much more violent. We know
88:41 people are so much more violent. We know that's not true. We know that this is an
88:42 that's not true. We know that this is an issue of sampling bias. We know there's
88:44 issue of sampling bias. We know there's an issue with the justice system that is
88:46 an issue with the justice system that is going to treat these people differently
88:47 going to treat these people differently in the first place. We know there's an
88:49 in the first place. We know there's an issue of how these people are going to
88:51 issue of how these people are going to be miscatategorized and mislabeled and
88:53 be miscatategorized and mislabeled and and like there's so many factors that
88:56 and like there's so many factors that are going in here that are not accounted
88:57 are going in here that are not accounted for by just looking at just the prison
89:00 for by just looking at just the prison population as it currently is.
89:03 population as it currently is. So, like even if your statistic made
89:05 So, like even if your statistic made sense, which it doesn't. I just put that
89:06 sense, which it doesn't. I just put that link in the chat. You can read through
89:08 link in the chat. You can read through that article. Even if the statistic made
89:10 that article. Even if the statistic made sense, you're still not accounting for
89:12 sense, you're still not accounting for sampling bias. You're only looking at
89:13 sampling bias. You're only looking at current prison populations. That's not a
89:15 current prison populations. That's not a good way to actually measure this
89:17 good way to actually measure this population. Um, more importantly than
89:20 population. Um, more importantly than all
89:20 all >> the evidence we got so far, maybe you
89:22 >> the evidence we got so far, maybe you could get more research into it. But
89:25 could get more research into it. But >> I just gave you an example. I encourage
89:27 >> I just gave you an example. I encourage you to read that article from the
89:28 you to read that article from the Independent that that goes through like
89:30 Independent that that goes through like a little bit about why this is just
89:32 a little bit about why this is just bunk. Um it's it's just a really tired,
89:36 bunk. Um it's it's just a really tired, worn out statistic that didn't make
89:37 worn out statistic that didn't make sense when it first came out and it
89:38 sense when it first came out and it doesn't make any more sense now. Um what
89:41 doesn't make any more sense now. Um what I find more interesting is that you keep
89:43 I find more interesting is that you keep bringing up
89:43 bringing up >> Sorry,
89:45 >> Sorry, >> you you keep bringing up this stuff
89:47 >> you you keep bringing up this stuff about like we need to keep trans people
89:49 about like we need to keep trans people out of of of you know cisgender spaces,
89:52 out of of of you know cisgender spaces, whether it be prisons, bathrooms,
89:53 whether it be prisons, bathrooms, whatever like that. How is that good for
89:57 whatever like that. How is that good for their like class in society? How does
90:01 their like class in society? How does that not make them tanamount to
90:03 that not make them tanamount to secondass citizens? How does that not
90:05 secondass citizens? How does that not seriously violate their individual
90:07 seriously violate their individual rights, their mental health, everything
90:09 rights, their mental health, everything to have them so forcibly segregated from
90:12 to have them so forcibly segregated from every part of normal life to the point
90:13 every part of normal life to the point where you're saying that they should
90:16 where you're saying that they should just be expecting to be publicly
90:18 just be expecting to be publicly questioned and have to reveal their
90:20 questioned and have to reveal their sexual identities to everybody around
90:22 sexual identities to everybody around them? Like how is that cool with you
90:25 them? Like how is that cool with you that these people should be expected to
90:27 that these people should be expected to be treated so poorly?
90:30 be treated so poorly? >> Not being treated poorly. It's about
90:32 >> Not being treated poorly. It's about being in the correct category. It's the
90:33 being in the correct category. It's the same again. It's the same way that I
90:35 same again. It's the same way that I can't join a children's sports club. I
90:38 can't join a children's sports club. I can't take part in disabled sport. Um
90:40 can't take part in disabled sport. Um you know I'm a man. I can't go into a
90:42 you know I'm a man. I can't go into a woman sex.
90:44 woman sex. >> Just just to be clear, gender is so very
90:46 >> Just just to be clear, gender is so very much not the same thing as age or
90:49 much not the same thing as age or ability level. So those are ridiculous
90:52 ability level. So those are ridiculous comparisons. Nobody is identifying as
90:54 comparisons. Nobody is identifying as disabled. That's not a thing.
90:57 disabled. That's not a thing. >> Nobody is identifying as a child. That's
91:00 >> Nobody is identifying as a child. That's not a thing.
91:05 >> You clearly do because that's the entire crux of this argument. If you're because
91:07 crux of this argument. If you're because because you have this really weird
91:10 because you have this really weird self-contradictory definition of sex and
91:12 self-contradictory definition of sex and gender that necessarily relates them to
91:15 gender that necessarily relates them to one another. Well, you repeatedly say
91:17 one another. Well, you repeatedly say that you understand that they're
91:18 that you understand that they're different and they don't necessarily
91:19 different and they don't necessarily have to be congruent, but at the end of
91:21 have to be congruent, but at the end of the day, sex is all that matters and sex
91:23 the day, sex is all that matters and sex and gender are, you know, roughly
91:25 and gender are, you know, roughly equivalent and they're this this similar
91:27 equivalent and they're this this similar thing. And also, if you want to use a
91:30 thing. And also, if you want to use a public bathroom, you should expect to
91:33 public bathroom, you should expect to have to tell everybody what genitals you
91:35 have to tell everybody what genitals you have first. Like, I don't understand how
91:37 have first. Like, I don't understand how you're okay with this weird ass system
91:40 you're okay with this weird ass system that treats these people
91:42 that treats these people >> so very differently and so very poorly.
91:45 >> so very differently and so very poorly. Just because you are uncomfortable with
91:47 Just because you are uncomfortable with their existence.
91:49 their existence. >> Not comfortable with their existence.
91:51 >> Not comfortable with their existence. No, they just have to be within the same
91:53 No, they just have to be within the same uh category. So, you know, again, if
91:55 uh category. So, you know, again, if somebody has made such a massive effort
91:56 somebody has made such a massive effort to change their appearance, then you
91:58 to change their appearance, then you know, they could expect some sort of
92:00 know, they could expect some sort of questioning.
92:06 >> Would you be Let me ask you, Rob, if you went to a public bathroom, would you be
92:08 went to a public bathroom, would you be okay with being treated this way? Would
92:11 okay with being treated this way? Would you be okay going to a bathroom if
92:13 you be okay going to a bathroom if people stopped you and asked you to
92:16 people stopped you and asked you to clarify that you are in fact a male and
92:19 clarify that you are in fact a male and you have a penis and you mean to be here
92:21 you have a penis and you mean to be here and every time you went to the bathroom
92:22 and every time you went to the bathroom that was what happened to you? And if
92:24 that was what happened to you? And if you ever got arrested they made sure
92:26 you ever got arrested they made sure that you just check would that be okay
92:29 that you just check would that be okay with you?
92:35 If if I didn't look ma, you know, if I didn't look like a man or if I tried to
92:37 didn't look like a man or if I tried to go into a woman's only space, then I
92:40 go into a woman's only space, then I would I can expect to be questioned.
92:42 would I can expect to be questioned. >> That's not what I just asked you. I
92:44 >> That's not what I just asked you. I would like you to ask the answer the
92:45 would like you to ask the answer the question that I actually asked. Every
92:47 question that I actually asked. Every time you go to a public bathroom,
92:49 time you go to a public bathroom, somebody stops you and asks you to
92:51 somebody stops you and asks you to verify your genitalia. Are you
92:54 verify your genitalia. Are you comfortable living that way?
92:57 comfortable living that way? >> Nobody's asking them to verify their
92:58 >> Nobody's asking them to verify their genitalia because most in nearly every
93:01 genitalia because most in nearly every case, it's obvious. And sometimes you
93:02 case, it's obvious. And sometimes you could just tell from the speech and the,
93:05 could just tell from the speech and the, you know, the body habitus.
93:07 you know, the body habitus. >> You can't see see this is what I'm
93:09 >> You can't see see this is what I'm talking about. You can't [ __ ] do it.
93:11 talking about. You can't [ __ ] do it. What what we talked about earlier, I
93:13 What what we talked about earlier, I talked about a trans man. You want a
93:15 talked about a trans man. You want a trans man with a beard and balding and
93:17 trans man with a beard and balding and muscles and all these things to go into
93:19 muscles and all these things to go into a woman's bathroom. And you said, well,
93:21 a woman's bathroom. And you said, well, yeah, they should they would question
93:23 yeah, they should they would question that person. Then they would ask from
93:25 that person. Then they would ask from their voice and they would ask this
93:26 their voice and they would ask this stuff. So again, I know some trans men.
93:30 stuff. So again, I know some trans men. They look more manly than I do. I'm I'm
93:32 They look more manly than I do. I'm I'm a pretty skinny, frail, lanky guy. I
93:35 a pretty skinny, frail, lanky guy. I know some trans men that can [ __ ]
93:36 know some trans men that can [ __ ] outshine me any day. So, if one of these
93:39 outshine me any day. So, if one of these dudes, these burly, beefy, gruff,
93:43 dudes, these burly, beefy, gruff, grizzled dudes, goes into a bathroom,
93:46 grizzled dudes, goes into a bathroom, every single time they are going to be
93:49 every single time they are going to be stopped. It's never not going to happen.
93:52 stopped. It's never not going to happen. And you think that's acceptable, that
93:54 And you think that's acceptable, that that's just what they should expect. And
93:56 that's just what they should expect. And I'm asking you, would you be comfortable
93:58 I'm asking you, would you be comfortable living that way? so much testosterone.
94:00 living that way? so much testosterone. If these if these women have taken so
94:02 If these if these women have taken so much testosterone that they look like
94:04 much testosterone that they look like that, then you know it's kind of like to
94:06 that, then you know it's kind of like to be expected. Um,
94:08 be expected. Um, >> but can I ask you
94:09 >> but can I ask you >> what do you mean to Yes, it would it
94:11 >> what do you mean to Yes, it would it would be expected if they walked into a
94:13 would be expected if they walked into a woman's bathroom, it would be expected
94:15 woman's bathroom, it would be expected that they would be called out. That's
94:17 that they would be called out. That's why they don't want to go in there. So,
94:19 why they don't want to go in there. So, like I'm asking you if that's the life
94:21 like I'm asking you if that's the life that you think they should lead, would
94:23 that you think they should lead, would you be comfortable living that way? Or
94:25 you be comfortable living that way? Or is it only them that you think it's
94:28 is it only them that you think it's acceptable for random strangers to ask
94:31 acceptable for random strangers to ask them to prove what kind of parts they
94:32 them to prove what kind of parts they have?
94:34 have? >> If they've inject if these women have
94:35 >> If they've inject if these women have injected into themselves so much
94:37 injected into themselves so much testosterone that uh you know then you
94:39 testosterone that uh you know then you know they they could have they should
94:40 know they they could have they should have expected this. Um but just ask you
94:43 have expected this. Um but just ask you if you if you
94:46 if you if you wild claim they should have expected to
94:49 wild claim they should have expected to have to have people as just like assail
94:51 have to have people as just like assail them with random inappropriate
94:53 them with random inappropriate questions. They should have expected it.
94:55 questions. They should have expected it. if they wanted to live their authentic
94:56 if they wanted to live their authentic lives and live the way that you yourself
94:58 lives and live the way that you yourself admitted they are really they their
95:00 admitted they are really they their gender identity and their sex are
95:02 gender identity and their sex are different. You admitted that these are
95:04 different. You admitted that these are different concepts and they're not
95:06 different concepts and they're not necessarily congruent. So if they want
95:07 necessarily congruent. So if they want to live their authentic life as who they
95:09 to live their authentic life as who they really are, they should just expect some
95:12 really are, they should just expect some sexual harassment every time they have
95:14 sexual harassment every time they have to use the bathroom. What a [ __ ]
95:15 to use the bathroom. What a [ __ ] stupid thing to say. Rob,
95:18 stupid thing to say. Rob, >> also
95:19 >> also >> you don't think sexual harassment for
95:20 >> you don't think sexual harassment for someone to stop you and ask you about
95:22 someone to stop you and ask you about your genitals? You don't think that's
95:23 your genitals? You don't think that's sexual harassment?
95:24 sexual harassment? >> If you if you identified as a woman,
95:28 >> If you if you identified as a woman, Forest, would you go into the woman's
95:29 Forest, would you go into the woman's only space looking as you do now?
95:32 only space looking as you do now? >> If I w if I was a woman, I would use the
95:34 >> If I w if I was a woman, I would use the woman's bathroom.
95:37 woman's bathroom. >> If you identified as a woman looking as
95:39 >> If you identified as a woman looking as you do now, would you go into a woman's
95:40 you do now, would you go into a woman's only space?
95:42 only space? >> I know some women who look more butch
95:46 >> I know some women who look more butch than I do, so I wouldn't see an issue
95:48 than I do, so I wouldn't see an issue with it because I would be a woman in
95:50 with it because I would be a woman in that. go into it looking as you do now.
95:53 that. go into it looking as you do now. >> That's the problem here, guys. That's
95:54 >> That's the problem here, guys. That's the problem here, though. Like, well,
95:56 the problem here, though. Like, well, one of many problems, but it's like,
95:58 one of many problems, but it's like, Rob, you're willing to sacrifice so much
96:01 Rob, you're willing to sacrifice so much at the altar of like you don't want
96:04 at the altar of like you don't want somebody who whose sex that doesn't
96:07 somebody who whose sex that doesn't align with the gender that they identify
96:09 align with the gender that they identify as. You're willing to sacrifice cis
96:11 as. You're willing to sacrifice cis women that look masculine. You're
96:12 women that look masculine. You're willing to sacrifice um uh cis men that
96:15 willing to sacrifice um uh cis men that look feminine. you're willing to
96:16 look feminine. you're willing to sacrifice, you know, trans men and trans
96:19 sacrifice, you know, trans men and trans women that are whatever very masculine
96:21 women that are whatever very masculine or very feminine, passing or not
96:23 or very feminine, passing or not passing, whatever. I don't even know how
96:25 passing, whatever. I don't even know how how you would phrase that at the altar
96:28 how you would phrase that at the altar of it makes you uncomfortable
96:29 of it makes you uncomfortable conceptually that someone might be using
96:32 conceptually that someone might be using the bathroom that you don't approve of.
96:34 the bathroom that you don't approve of. And I just I don't I don't get it
96:38 And I just I don't I don't get it because for decades this operated
96:41 because for decades this operated fine. No one had any problems. Trans men
96:45 fine. No one had any problems. Trans men and trans women existed in the 60s,7s,
96:47 and trans women existed in the 60s,7s, 80s, 90s, and the way that they were
96:49 80s, 90s, and the way that they were treated when people knew they were trans
96:51 treated when people knew they were trans wasn't phenomenal, but the thing was
96:53 wasn't phenomenal, but the thing was they used the bathroom that they
96:55 they used the bathroom that they identified as and nothing bad happened.
96:58 identified as and nothing bad happened. Like, where was this rash of of sexual
97:02 Like, where was this rash of of sexual assault or whatever that was or regular
97:04 assault or whatever that was or regular assault that was supposed to to to be
97:06 assault that was supposed to to to be associated with these people using the
97:08 associated with these people using the the bathroom that they identify as. It
97:10 the bathroom that they identify as. It didn't exist then. It doesn't exist now.
97:13 didn't exist then. It doesn't exist now. And yet we're we're putting everything
97:15 And yet we're we're putting everything on the line for the possibility that has
97:18 on the line for the possibility that has already been tested.
97:21 already been tested. >> It's not because I because speaking just
97:24 >> It's not because I because speaking just of UK data, the criteria for using the
97:29 of UK data, the criteria for using the opposite sex facilities were much
97:30 opposite sex facilities were much stricter in the past than they are now.
97:32 stricter in the past than they are now. Now anybody can just say they identify
97:34 Now anybody can just say they identify as this and then they get uh you know
97:37 as this and then they get uh you know and that's what's caused this increase
97:40 and that's what's caused this increase in
97:40 in >> but Rob hold on hold on hold on hold on
97:43 >> but Rob hold on hold on hold on hold on sexual assault you said you said Rob
97:47 sexual assault you said you said Rob that if you just said though I I got to
97:50 that if you just said though I I got to back this up like setting the statistics
97:52 back this up like setting the statistics aside what you just said is in congruent
97:54 aside what you just said is in congruent with what you just argued because you
97:56 with what you just argued because you just got done telling Forest and I that
97:58 just got done telling Forest and I that the most masculine looking testosterone
98:02 the most masculine looking testosterone one filled trans man imaginable who has
98:05 one filled trans man imaginable who has to your standards committed medically to
98:08 to your standards committed medically to transitioning to the to to be the
98:10 transitioning to the to to be the opposite sex that they were assigned at
98:11 opposite sex that they were assigned at birth. You just got done saying that
98:14 birth. You just got done saying that that person should still use the woman's
98:17 that person should still use the woman's restroom when previously that person
98:20 restroom when previously that person would have checked every box legally
98:23 would have checked every box legally that said they could use the men's
98:24 that said they could use the men's restroom. You were just complaining that
98:27 restroom. You were just complaining that that person was was using the woman's or
98:29 that person was was using the woman's or was using would be using the men's
98:30 was using would be using the men's restroom when those same standards that
98:33 restroom when those same standards that you said used to be more appropriate are
98:36 you said used to be more appropriate are being applied to that person that the
98:38 being applied to that person that the standards from the 80s would have said
98:40 standards from the 80s would have said this man checks all the appropriate
98:42 this man checks all the appropriate boxes and has medically transitioned so
98:44 boxes and has medically transitioned so they get to use the men's restroom. But
98:46 they get to use the men's restroom. But then you come along and you say no
98:48 then you come along and you say no actually that person should still use
98:49 actually that person should still use the women's restroom. You're not
98:51 the women's restroom. You're not advocating for the stricter laws of the
98:53 advocating for the stricter laws of the past. you're advocating for even
98:54 past. you're advocating for even stricter laws, which is not consistent.
99:00 stricter laws, which is not consistent. >> Okay. Well, I mean, trans men aren't the
99:01 >> Okay. Well, I mean, trans men aren't the threat um that trans women are um to
99:05 threat um that trans women are um to women in spaces.
99:07 women in spaces. >> Come on. Would love to see that
99:09 >> Come on. Would love to see that statistic, too.
99:12 statistic, too. >> Yeah. Yet another thing that you just
99:13 >> Yeah. Yet another thing that you just pulled it right out of your ass.
99:15 pulled it right out of your ass. >> So, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
99:17 >> So, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Let's change it around then.
99:19 hold on. Let's change it around then. >> Let's say that you have a woman. Really
99:23 >> Let's say that you have a woman. Really quickly, I'm I'm sorry to interrupt you,
99:24 quickly, I'm I'm sorry to interrupt you, Erica, but just really quickly, I I've
99:26 Erica, but just really quickly, I I've never actually said this is from the
99:28 never actually said this is from the William Institute School of Law, uh from
99:30 William Institute School of Law, uh from the UCLA. So, that's from the University
99:32 the UCLA. So, that's from the University of California at Los Angeles, the School
99:35 of California at Los Angeles, the School of Law, the Williams Institute. This is
99:36 of Law, the Williams Institute. This is their study, which I'll put in the chat
99:38 their study, which I'll put in the chat from 2021. Transgender people are over
99:40 from 2021. Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender
99:42 four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent
99:43 people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual
99:45 victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated simple assault.
99:47 assault, and aggravated simple assault. Um, this I'm going to put the study here
99:49 Um, this I'm going to put the study here in the chat. So what you were talking
99:50 in the chat. So what you were talking about earlier, how trans people are more
99:52 about earlier, how trans people are more likely to commit violent crimes, the
99:54 likely to commit violent crimes, the opposite is true. They are significantly
99:56 opposite is true. They are significantly more likely to be the victims of violent
99:58 more likely to be the victims of violent crimes. So I have I put one link is
100:02 crimes. So I have I put one link is >> it it could be, but it's not. And at the
100:04 >> it it could be, but it's not. And at the end of the day, even if you're going to
100:06 end of the day, even if you're going to sit here and say that it is,
100:08 sit here and say that it is, >> I I I just said that it could be, but it
100:10 >> I I I just said that it could be, but it isn't. I showed one thing that was
100:12 isn't. I showed one thing that was tearing apart the study that you linked
100:13 tearing apart the study that you linked earlier and now this study from a law
100:16 earlier and now this study from a law school here in the US. So with both of
100:18 school here in the US. So with both of those in mind, like even if it was the
100:21 those in mind, like even if it was the case that it was both, I still don't
100:23 case that it was both, I still don't think it's appropriate for you to say,
100:25 think it's appropriate for you to say, well, they have these patterns and
100:27 well, they have these patterns and therefore we should just put them in
100:29 therefore we should just put them in situations that put them significantly
100:31 situations that put them significantly more at risk of the same kind of violent
100:33 more at risk of the same kind of violent assault that I'm trying to protect these
100:35 assault that I'm trying to protect these other people for. You are just treating
100:37 other people for. You are just treating them as secondass citizens. Sorry, Eric.
100:38 them as secondass citizens. Sorry, Eric. I just realized I never brought that up.
100:39 I just realized I never brought that up. I never shared. can go into um
100:42 I never shared. can go into um >> they could go into
100:44 >> they could go into uh they could choose to go into gender
100:46 uh they could choose to go into gender neutral spaces. You can have still
100:48 neutral spaces. You can have still segregated units in prisons for certain
100:50 segregated units in prisons for certain people. So uh if they choose those they
100:54 people. So uh if they choose those they can find like
100:55 can find like >> would those spaces be sorry would those
100:58 >> would those spaces be sorry would those spaces be equal in in like quality to
101:01 spaces be equal in in like quality to the ones for cisgender people?
101:05 the ones for cisgender people? >> Why shouldn't they be?
101:07 >> Why shouldn't they be? >> Okay. Okay. So, so you think that they
101:08 >> Okay. Okay. So, so you think that they should have a space that is equal but it
101:11 should have a space that is equal but it is separate to cisgender people. Is that
101:14 is separate to cisgender people. Is that what you're saying?
101:16 what you're saying? >> I'm saying that there is there should be
101:18 >> I'm saying that there is there should be a space for anyone. So, if a sis person
101:21 a space for anyone. So, if a sis person doesn't want to go into a woman's
101:24 doesn't want to go into a woman's bathroom or a men's bathroom, even
101:26 bathroom or a men's bathroom, even though they would be entitled to, they
101:28 though they would be entitled to, they can go into like a a genderneutral place
101:30 can go into like a a genderneutral place if they want and who's in that.
101:33 if they want and who's in that. >> So, you think there should be that as
101:34 >> So, you think there should be that as well? So you just to be clear in order
101:37 well? So you just to be clear in order to get around the sticky situation where
101:40 to get around the sticky situation where somebody might just piss where they're
101:42 somebody might just piss where they're comfortable, you think we should
101:44 comfortable, you think we should completely renovate society so that way
101:47 completely renovate society so that way everywhere also has a third option for
101:52 everywhere also has a third option for exclusively anybody non-exclusive spaces
101:55 exclusively anybody non-exclusive spaces exclusively non-exclusive places gender
101:58 exclusively non-exclusive places gender neutral and all
101:59 neutral and all >> have spaces
102:00 >> have spaces we there already laws that say buildings
102:02 we there already laws that say buildings have to have disabled toilets and things
102:05 have to have disabled toilets and things like this. So, it's not going to be a
102:06 like this. So, it's not going to be a problem.
102:07 problem. >> Again, can't stress this enough.
102:09 >> Again, can't stress this enough. Disability is not an identity. I'm going
102:12 Disability is not an identity. I'm going to take kick back over. Erica, you were
102:14 to take kick back over. Erica, you were in the middle of saying something. I
102:15 in the middle of saying something. I have a totally different thing.
102:18 have a totally different thing. >> No, no. I'm saying that buildings can
102:20 >> No, no. I'm saying that buildings can can create third spaces. They already
102:22 can create third spaces. They already have to for disabled people. So, they
102:24 have to for disabled people. So, they you can have these genderneutral toilets
102:26 you can have these genderneutral toilets and changing facilities as well.
102:27 and changing facilities as well. >> You don't have you don't have third
102:29 >> You don't have you don't have third spaces for disabled people. You have
102:31 spaces for disabled people. You have accessibility tools for whatever. It's
102:33 accessibility tools for whatever. It's fine. It's fine. You know, the three
102:36 fine. It's fine. You know, the three genders. There's there's there's men,
102:38 genders. There's there's there's men, women, and disabled. That's what it is.
102:42 women, and disabled. That's what it is. >> I never said that before.
102:43 >> I never said that before. >> Sorry, Erica. Straw maning me there. So,
102:46 >> Sorry, Erica. Straw maning me there. So, can I just
102:47 can I just >> No, I'm not I'm not strong, Rob. I'm not
102:49 >> No, I'm not I'm not strong, Rob. I'm not straw manning you. I'm making fun of
102:50 straw manning you. I'm making fun of you. Sorry. Go ahead, Erica. What were
102:52 you. Sorry. Go ahead, Erica. What were you saying? I I I'd like I'd I'd like to
102:54 you saying? I I I'd like I'd I'd like to take it back because I I feel like I
102:56 take it back because I I feel like I feel like where we ended with the
102:58 feel like where we ended with the previous where with with our previous
103:00 previous where with with our previous exchange, Rob, is that you were
103:01 exchange, Rob, is that you were basically like, okay,
103:03 basically like, okay, >> because, and this is your premise, not
103:05 >> because, and this is your premise, not mine, because trans men are less
103:07 mine, because trans men are less dangerous than trans women, it's fine if
103:10 dangerous than trans women, it's fine if they use the bathroom that they want to
103:12 they use the bathroom that they want to use, but trans women seems to be the
103:14 use, but trans women seems to be the sticking point for you. So, let's take
103:15 sticking point for you. So, let's take it back. Let's say that we have a trans
103:18 it back. Let's say that we have a trans woman who has checked every box from the
103:20 woman who has checked every box from the 1980s that she would need to check in
103:22 1980s that she would need to check in order to use the women's restroom. Now,
103:25 order to use the women's restroom. Now, today she wants to use the women's
103:28 today she wants to use the women's restroom. Is she allowed to under your
103:30 restroom. Is she allowed to under your view?
103:35 >> Well, so what do you mean by checked every box? But um well, I would say no.
103:37 every box? But um well, I would say no. She because they have to use the mail.
103:39 She because they have to use the mail. >> Here's here's what I mean. Here's what I
103:41 >> Here's here's what I mean. Here's what I mean. And I'm sorry to I'm sorry to
103:42 mean. And I'm sorry to I'm sorry to interrupt you. I want to make sure we're
103:43 interrupt you. I want to make sure we're on the same page. When I say checked
103:45 on the same page. When I say checked every box, I mean you said earlier that
103:47 every box, I mean you said earlier that the stipulations used to be harder for
103:49 the stipulations used to be harder for trans people to use the bathroom that
103:51 trans people to use the bathroom that they wanted to use. That's what that was
103:52 they wanted to use. That's what that was your premise. So, let's say that this
103:55 your premise. So, let's say that this trans woman in question, our
103:56 trans woman in question, our hypothetical trans woman, has met those
103:58 hypothetical trans woman, has met those expectations from the 1980s or 1970s or
104:01 expectations from the 1980s or 1970s or whatever. Can she use the bathroom? Can
104:04 whatever. Can she use the bathroom? Can she use the women's bathroom?
104:07 she use the women's bathroom? >> I'd say no.
104:10 >> I'd say no. >> Okay. I I'm I'm gonna rest my case then
104:13 >> Okay. I I'm I'm gonna rest my case then because I don't think that this is
104:14 because I don't think that this is actually about
104:16 actually about I don't think that this is actually
104:18 I don't think that this is actually about safety for women and I don't think
104:20 about safety for women and I don't think that this is actually about making a
104:22 that this is actually about making a better world. I think that I I you can
104:24 better world. I think that I I you can say that but I don't think that's true.
104:26 say that but I don't think that's true. I think that you feel very uncomfortable
104:28 I think that you feel very uncomfortable around trans women. I think you have
104:30 around trans women. I think you have some serious misconceptions about um
104:32 some serious misconceptions about um about them and about predispositions
104:34 about them and about predispositions that they may or may not have that you
104:36 that they may or may not have that you don't apply to trans men. And you know,
104:39 don't apply to trans men. And you know, I just don't think that we're
104:41 I just don't think that we're >> I don't think we're going to get
104:42 >> I don't think we're going to get anywhere on on my end anymore cuz I I
104:45 anywhere on on my end anymore cuz I I just need to I just need to get in here.
104:46 just need to I just need to get in here. I have been so patient.
104:48 I have been so patient. >> Let me get in here really quick. You did
104:50 >> Let me get in here really quick. You did not acknowledge.
104:51 not acknowledge. >> No one's talking to you.
104:52 >> No one's talking to you. >> I know. I know. Rob, you kind of just
104:54 >> I know. I know. Rob, you kind of just didn't acknowledge what what Forest
104:57 didn't acknowledge what what Forest tried to bring up earlier, which is that
104:58 tried to bring up earlier, which is that in America where these laws are passing,
105:01 in America where these laws are passing, cisgender women have had the cops called
105:04 cisgender women have had the cops called on them. There was a black lesbian who
105:07 on them. There was a black lesbian who was literally changing her tampon in the
105:10 was literally changing her tampon in the women's room when a male cop came in. Do
105:14 women's room when a male cop came in. Do you think that that is a reasonable
105:16 you think that that is a reasonable condition to place women under and all
105:19 condition to place women under and all trans people? Like that's the thing
105:21 trans people? Like that's the thing that's happening. This is the same
105:22 that's happening. This is the same reason why you have to be you have to be
105:25 reason why you have to be you have to be pro-choice because if you're not
105:26 pro-choice because if you're not pro-choice, then every miscarriage
105:28 pro-choice, then every miscarriage becomes a criminal investigation. You
105:30 becomes a criminal investigation. You are presenting a situation where women
105:32 are presenting a situation where women and all trans people like are going to
105:35 and all trans people like are going to be accosted, sexually harassed,
105:37 be accosted, sexually harassed, potentially sexually assaulted,
105:39 potentially sexually assaulted, potentially assaulted, creating
105:40 potentially assaulted, creating situations where men feel entitled to
105:42 situations where men feel entitled to enter women's spaces to accost women.
105:45 enter women's spaces to accost women. >> You are advocating for a vile worldview.
105:48 >> You are advocating for a vile worldview. A terrible trans
105:52 A terrible trans >> you I just want to say you're a terrible
105:54 >> you I just want to say you're a terrible person and then I'll stop.
105:55 person and then I'll stop. >> So then you don't care about it. Yeah.
105:57 >> So then you don't care about it. Yeah. Yeah, that's actually I'm glad you
105:59 Yeah, that's actually I'm glad you brought that up, Lex, because that's
106:00 brought that up, Lex, because that's exactly what I was about to get back to
106:02 exactly what I was about to get back to is that you you you don't [ __ ] care
106:05 is that you you you don't [ __ ] care that cisgender women are going to be
106:06 that cisgender women are going to be hurt by this. You don't [ __ ] care
106:08 hurt by this. You don't [ __ ] care that gender non-conforming people,
106:10 that gender non-conforming people, non-binary people, homosexuals, all
106:12 non-binary people, homosexuals, all sorts of other people are going to be
106:14 sorts of other people are going to be hurt by this. You don't care about the
106:16 hurt by this. You don't care about the men, the cisgender men who are just more
106:17 men, the cisgender men who are just more feminine presenting are going to be hurt
106:18 feminine presenting are going to be hurt by this. You don't care about any of
106:20 by this. You don't care about any of this. You only care about exclusively,
106:22 this. You only care about exclusively, specifically trans women
106:24 specifically trans women >> not being able to use the bathroom that
106:25 >> not being able to use the bathroom that they're comfortable with.
106:28 they're comfortable with. >> I care about protecting women.
106:31 >> I care about protecting women. >> So you protecting women across them in
106:33 >> So you protecting women across them in the bathroom
106:34 the bathroom >> except for the women. Yes. Except for
106:36 >> except for the women. Yes. Except for the women that look pretty masculine and
106:39 the women that look pretty masculine and that gender checked,
106:42 that gender checked, >> right? And so what about the masculine
106:45 >> right? And so what about the masculine looking women? Because like I said, I've
106:47 looking women? Because like I said, I've met and worked with women that look more
106:50 met and worked with women that look more masculine than me. So those women, the
106:53 masculine than me. So those women, the cisgender women who go into the bathroom
106:56 cisgender women who go into the bathroom and now have to prove their identity to
106:58 and now have to prove their identity to usually male police officers, you're
107:01 usually male police officers, you're cool with that.
107:04 cool with that. And you're also cool with the fact that
107:06 And you're also cool with the fact that these trans women who you agree are four
107:09 these trans women who you agree are four times more likely to be raped and
107:11 times more likely to be raped and assaulted than any sis woman. You're
107:14 assaulted than any sis woman. You're cool with putting them in a room full of
107:15 cool with putting them in a room full of men where they are more like who you
107:18 men where they are more like who you admit also they are more likely to be
107:19 admit also they are more likely to be assaulted by.
107:22 assaulted by. >> Well, I understand they could be
107:23 >> Well, I understand they could be uncomfortable in that, but it's not the
107:25 uncomfortable in that, but it's not the place for women to make these people
107:28 place for women to make these people comfortable.
107:28 comfortable. >> Rob, robes
107:30 >> Rob, robes that they can go to. Rob, rob.
107:33 that they can go to. Rob, rob. They're not going to be more
107:34 They're not going to be more uncomfortable. They're going to be
107:36 uncomfortable. They're going to be [ __ ] raped.
107:37 [ __ ] raped. >> Is that cool with you? Is that worth
107:39 >> Is that cool with you? Is that worth your new beautiful world where trans
107:41 your new beautiful world where trans trans women can't pee?
107:47 >> They can pee. Just do the appropriate. And if they feel uncomfortable in the
107:48 And if they feel uncomfortable in the men's, they can use the gender neutral.
107:51 men's, they can use the gender neutral. >> Yeah. Yeah. See, this is such [ __ ]
107:54 >> Yeah. Yeah. See, this is such [ __ ] cowardly [ __ ] over and over and
107:56 cowardly [ __ ] over and over and over. You you the just the summary of
107:59 over. You you the just the summary of everything you've said. Rob, shut the
108:01 everything you've said. Rob, shut the [ __ ] up. Rob. Rob, shut the [ __ ] up.
108:03 [ __ ] up. Rob. Rob, shut the [ __ ] up. You're so [ __ ] obnoxious. Rob, the
108:06 You're so [ __ ] obnoxious. Rob, the summary of what you have told me here.
108:08 summary of what you have told me here. First of all, [ __ ] [ __ ] you. On the
108:11 First of all, [ __ ] [ __ ] you. On the whole, that's why you won't go on to
108:12 whole, that's why you won't go on to this other platform. I already gave you
108:14 this other platform. I already gave you a proper explanation of why I won't. And
108:15 a proper explanation of why I won't. And you said fair enough earlier. So, great
108:18 you said fair enough earlier. So, great to know that you were just not listening
108:19 to know that you were just not listening then. As of right now, over the course
108:21 then. As of right now, over the course of this 58 agonizing Oh, he he said that
108:24 of this 58 agonizing Oh, he he said that I should go on modern day debates and
108:26 I should go on modern day debates and talk about this. And I explain why I'm
108:27 talk about this. And I explain why I'm simply not interested.
108:29 simply not interested. >> Yeah.
108:30 >> Yeah. um 58 agonizing [ __ ] minutes of you
108:34 um 58 agonizing [ __ ] minutes of you being so [ __ ] self-confident about
108:36 being so [ __ ] self-confident about statistics that you clearly have not
108:37 statistics that you clearly have not actually looked into. The sum total of
108:40 actually looked into. The sum total of all of this at this point is that you
108:44 all of this at this point is that you think some trans women have behaved
108:46 think some trans women have behaved badly. And because out of this group
108:50 badly. And because out of this group there's this statistical significance
108:52 there's this statistical significance that you seem to find that means that
108:55 that you seem to find that means that everybody in this group should be
108:56 everybody in this group should be punished and they should be put in
108:58 punished and they should be put in spaces that are separate but equal.
109:01 spaces that are separate but equal. Unless they don't, in which case we
109:03 Unless they don't, in which case we should just be throwing them in amongst
109:05 should just be throwing them in amongst people of their the the gender that you
109:08 people of their the the gender that you think they should be associated with,
109:10 think they should be associated with, despite the fact that that puts them at
109:12 despite the fact that that puts them at significantly greater risk of being
109:14 significantly greater risk of being harmed. You want to protect women so bad
109:17 harmed. You want to protect women so bad that you are going to continue to hurt
109:20 that you are going to continue to hurt and marginalize and put at risk people
109:22 and marginalize and put at risk people who are four times more likely to
109:25 who are four times more likely to experience the exact same kind of harm
109:28 experience the exact same kind of harm that you are so passionate about over
109:30 that you are so passionate about over here. It's just [ __ ] bigotry. You
109:32 here. It's just [ __ ] bigotry. You don't give a [ __ ] about any of this. You
109:34 don't give a [ __ ] about any of this. You are hiding behind a thin, paper thin
109:37 are hiding behind a thin, paper thin veil of self-righteousness to hide the
109:40 veil of self-righteousness to hide the fact that you just think trans people
109:42 fact that you just think trans people are icky. And that [ __ ] blows, dude.
109:44 are icky. And that [ __ ] blows, dude. If you actually cared about this, you
109:46 If you actually cared about this, you would be consistent about it. But you're
109:48 would be consistent about it. But you're not. Over and over, you were
109:49 not. Over and over, you were contradicting yourself and going against
109:51 contradicting yourself and going against the things you just said 10 [ __ ]
109:53 the things you just said 10 [ __ ] minutes ago. Go back and rewatch this
109:54 minutes ago. Go back and rewatch this call, dude. You are self-contradictory
109:56 call, dude. You are self-contradictory over and over and over. And you keep
109:58 over and over and over. And you keep talking about how this is protecting
109:59 talking about how this is protecting women from harm, but then when you have
110:01 women from harm, but then when you have trans women who are four times more
110:03 trans women who are four times more likely of the same kind of harm, you
110:04 likely of the same kind of harm, you don't give a [ __ ] and you're not taking
110:06 don't give a [ __ ] and you're not taking it seriously. What are you saying,
110:07 it seriously. What are you saying, Erica? I'm gonna bring him back for a
110:08 Erica? I'm gonna bring him back for a second, give him the last word so he
110:10 second, give him the last word so he can't claim that I muted him and took
110:11 can't claim that I muted him and took control of the conversation.
110:13 control of the conversation. >> I was going to add there that you were
110:15 >> I was going to add there that you were just saying that he's Rob claims that he
110:18 just saying that he's Rob claims that he cares about women, right? And it's like,
110:19 cares about women, right? And it's like, okay, well, unfortunately, he is
110:22 okay, well, unfortunately, he is thematically consistent in that trans
110:24 thematically consistent in that trans women would not count for him as women.
110:26 women would not count for him as women. And so that's the reason why it's okay
110:28 And so that's the reason why it's okay to throw them to the wolves. But I think
110:30 to throw them to the wolves. But I think you also have to touch Rob on what force
110:33 you also have to touch Rob on what force and then what Lex said earlier which is
110:35 and then what Lex said earlier which is that this is also impacting here in the
110:37 that this is also impacting here in the states at least an enormous number of
110:40 states at least an enormous number of cis women too which is the group that
110:42 cis women too which is the group that you're claiming to protect. And this is
110:44 you're claiming to protect. And this is the group that is now being subject to
110:46 the group that is now being subject to just genital inspections potentially by
110:50 just genital inspections potentially by men who believe it or not also have a
110:52 men who believe it or not also have a pretty high rate of of committing sexual
110:55 pretty high rate of of committing sexual violence. And these are men that they
110:56 violence. And these are men that they don't know and they're being subject to
110:57 don't know and they're being subject to that as well. So it's like I I I'm in a
111:00 that as well. So it's like I I I'm in a perfect world all women would would be
111:03 perfect world all women would would be the women that you are trying to
111:04 the women that you are trying to protect. But even the cis women that you
111:07 protect. But even the cis women that you consider to be quote unquote actual
111:09 consider to be quote unquote actual women are being harmed by this. And I
111:11 women are being harmed by this. And I must I must I must emphasize again the
111:15 must I must I must emphasize again the way that it was before where everybody
111:17 way that it was before where everybody just used the bathroom that they
111:18 just used the bathroom that they identified as was worked. It was fine.
111:22 identified as was worked. It was fine. there was not a higher rate of sexual
111:24 there was not a higher rate of sexual assault of cis women by trans women that
111:27 assault of cis women by trans women that that seems to be this thing that you're
111:28 that seems to be this thing that you're you're so afraid of for for decades this
111:30 you're so afraid of for for decades this happened and no one batted an eye and it
111:33 happened and no one batted an eye and it isn't until this is this whole issue has
111:34 isn't until this is this whole issue has been co-opted by a very specific group
111:37 been co-opted by a very specific group of people that this has become
111:38 of people that this has become problematic um and suddenly something
111:40 problematic um and suddenly something that is very scary despite the fact I
111:41 that is very scary despite the fact I mean this would be like if somebody
111:42 mean this would be like if somebody started tomorrow fear-mongering that
111:44 started tomorrow fear-mongering that every cat now has rabies and that we
111:47 every cat now has rabies and that we need to do something about these cats
111:48 need to do something about these cats because if everybody continues to get
111:50 because if everybody continues to get cats everybody's going to get rabies and
111:52 cats everybody's going to get rabies and it's like but people have had cats for
111:54 it's like but people have had cats for thousands and thousands of years and
111:56 thousands and thousands of years and it's fine. There's an occasional rabies
111:58 it's fine. There's an occasional rabies case because cats are cats and people
112:00 case because cats are cats and people are people but
112:02 are people but >> we have like this is just a
112:04 >> we have like this is just a scaremongering tactic that I don't think
112:05 scaremongering tactic that I don't think works and and as I said earlier I don't
112:07 works and and as I said earlier I don't think that I don't think that this is
112:09 think that I don't think that this is about women of any variety. I think it's
112:11 about women of any variety. I think it's about um you you know you you find trans
112:14 about um you you know you you find trans people people to be kind of icky and
112:15 people people to be kind of icky and that is um pretty vile to me. I'm going
112:18 that is um pretty vile to me. I'm going to get some more coffee. You you you
112:19 to get some more coffee. You you you sign us off here forest.
112:21 sign us off here forest. Yeah. Uh, last words from Rob here. I'm
112:24 Yeah. Uh, last words from Rob here. I'm bringing you back on. Uh, can you please
112:25 bringing you back on. Uh, can you please just quickly tell us how your arguments
112:28 just quickly tell us how your arguments are any different from the exact same
112:29 are any different from the exact same arguments that have been used for
112:30 arguments that have been used for several decades about homosexuals?
112:33 several decades about homosexuals? Because let me tell you, literally every
112:35 Because let me tell you, literally every single thing you said I have heard said
112:36 single thing you said I have heard said about gay people as well. So, just
112:38 about gay people as well. So, just that'll be the last thing I ask you. Is
112:40 that'll be the last thing I ask you. Is this any different than that kind of
112:42 this any different than that kind of [ __ ] And if so, how?
112:45 [ __ ] And if so, how? >> Okay.
112:46 >> Okay. Okay. Well, um that goes into the other
112:49 Okay. Well, um that goes into the other aspect which I I was going to talk about
112:51 aspect which I I was going to talk about but we probably don't have time but
112:53 but we probably don't have time but about how uh say with transgenderism you
112:56 about how uh say with transgenderism you have surgeries and hormones with
112:58 have surgeries and hormones with children but someone who is just
113:02 children but someone who is just homosexual they're not
113:03 homosexual they're not >> there's many buzz demand I homosexual
113:07 >> there's many buzz demand I homosexual people don't demand that I give them
113:10 people don't demand that I give them their own pronouns they don't demand
113:13 their own pronouns they don't demand u surgery or
113:16 u surgery or hormones for children. That's one
113:19 hormones for children. That's one factor. So that's that's
113:21 factor. So that's that's >> okay. So So So yeah, just a bunch a
113:23 >> okay. So So So yeah, just a bunch a bunch more scary scary words. A bunch
113:26 bunch more scary scary words. A bunch more scary fear-mongering [ __ ] that
113:28 more scary fear-mongering [ __ ] that doesn't exist. Yeah, Rob, I encourage
113:30 doesn't exist. Yeah, Rob, I encourage you to actually try learning.
113:33 you to actually try learning. >> Yeah, Rob, I'm I'm I'm so done, dude. I
113:36 >> Yeah, Rob, I'm I'm I'm so done, dude. I encourage you to actually look into what
113:38 encourage you to actually look into what this stuff actually is and like the
113:40 this stuff actually is and like the actual statistics behind it and what
113:42 actual statistics behind it and what gender talk about actual gender like
113:46 gender talk about actual gender like affirming care. What actually is gender
113:48 affirming care. What actually is gender affirming care and how does it actually
113:49 affirming care and how does it actually work and why is it that it is far far
113:52 work and why is it that it is far far far more used for cisgender people than
113:54 far more used for cisgender people than transgender people and at what ages is
113:57 transgender people and at what ages is it actually implemented and in what
113:58 it actually implemented and in what stage is it actually implemented and not
114:01 stage is it actually implemented and not just going with more and more and more
114:03 just going with more and more and more buzzwords? Because here's the thing,
114:04 buzzwords? Because here's the thing, dude. I've let you get away with so
114:06 dude. I've let you get away with so [ __ ] much for this call. I've let you
114:08 [ __ ] much for this call. I've let you get away with the word transgenderism,
114:10 get away with the word transgenderism, which is such a [ __ ] weird thing.
114:11 which is such a [ __ ] weird thing. I've gotten I've let you get away with
114:13 I've gotten I've let you get away with misgendering people left and right. All
114:15 misgendering people left and right. All that you can try to get your talking
114:17 that you can try to get your talking points out and try to make a coherent
114:19 points out and try to make a coherent argument and you've just [ __ ] the bed at
114:20 argument and you've just [ __ ] the bed at every [ __ ] term, dude. So, at the end
114:22 every [ __ ] term, dude. So, at the end of the day, neither Erica nor I are
114:24 of the day, neither Erica nor I are impressed. I encourage you to check out
114:26 impressed. I encourage you to check out what actual biologists, psychologists,
114:28 what actual biologists, psychologists, and sociologists say about this because
114:30 and sociologists say about this because none of them are on your [ __ ]
114:32 none of them are on your [ __ ] >> with that. We're going to move on to
114:33 >> with that. We're going to move on to somebody who's serious.
114:34 somebody who's serious. >> Yeah. Yeah. Richard Dawkins who doesn't
114:37 >> Yeah. Yeah. Richard Dawkins who doesn't know what's written in literally
114:38 know what's written in literally introductory [ __ ] biology textbooks
114:41 introductory [ __ ] biology textbooks anymore. Richard Dawkins who does
114:43 anymore. Richard Dawkins who does special pleading about this. Richard
114:44 special pleading about this. Richard Dawkins who got on a podcast and said
114:47 Dawkins who got on a podcast and said everything in Shen is is everything
114:49 everything in Shen is is everything about biology is a spectrum and a
114:51 about biology is a spectrum and a gradient
114:53 gradient headirst into leftwing stuff.
114:56 headirst into leftwing stuff. >> I'm not a I'm not a high school teacher.
114:58 >> I'm not a I'm not a high school teacher. I'm not a high school teacher. You don't
114:59 I'm not a high school teacher. You don't know [ __ ] about me. You're just making
115:00 know [ __ ] about me. You're just making assumptions. And yes, he was an esteemed
115:03 assumptions. And yes, he was an esteemed biologist for a long time. And now he
115:06 biologist for a long time. And now he has decided to to not update his biology
115:10 has decided to to not update his biology knowledge with things that again is
115:12 knowledge with things that again is literally basic biology, actual
115:15 literally basic biology, actual introductory biology textbooks talk
115:17 introductory biology textbooks talk about why he's wrong.
115:19 about why he's wrong. >> So just unfortunately science isn't on
115:22 >> So just unfortunately science isn't on your side, dude. And you point to like
115:24 your side, dude. And you point to like you can point to Richard Dawkins and say
115:25 you can point to Richard Dawkins and say here's this one esteemed biologist.
115:27 here's this one esteemed biologist. Well, guess what? When I got my masters
115:29 Well, guess what? When I got my masters in biomed
115:31 in biomed >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. Colin
115:33 >> Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah. No. Colin Wright and Jerry Coin, too. I I I know
115:35 Wright and Jerry Coin, too. I I I know they're all out there. And here's the
115:36 they're all out there. And here's the thing. When I got my masters in
115:38 thing. When I got my masters in biomedical sciences, every single one of
115:40 biomedical sciences, every single one of my professors told me why they were
115:42 my professors told me why they were wrong. So here you have some famous
115:44 wrong. So here you have some famous internet celebrity psych biologists who
115:47 internet celebrity psych biologists who say that the grand establishment of
115:50 say that the grand establishment of biology, the people who write the
115:52 biology, the people who write the textbooks and the university professors
115:54 textbooks and the university professors that train new biologists, all of these
115:56 that train new biologists, all of these people are all wrong. Great. Yeah.
115:59 people are all wrong. Great. Yeah. Sorry, man. It's not going to work for
116:00 Sorry, man. It's not going to work for me. You you have a couple of figureheads
116:02 me. You you have a couple of figureheads you can point to that are going far
116:04 you can point to that are going far against the actual overwhelming
116:06 against the actual overwhelming consensus in their own fields and
116:08 consensus in their own fields and they're not bringing any evidence to
116:10 they're not bringing any evidence to back up their claims. They're just
116:11 back up their claims. They're just bringing the same kind of misguided
116:12 bringing the same kind of misguided transphobia and [ __ ] that you are.
116:14 transphobia and [ __ ] that you are. So I'm not convinced. I'm not impressed
116:17 So I'm not convinced. I'm not impressed with that.
116:17 with that. >> Did I Did I miss a Did I miss a Richard
116:19 >> Did I Did I miss a Did I miss a Richard Dawkins thing here? He brought Yeah, he
116:22 Dawkins thing here? He brought Yeah, he said Jerry Coin and Richard Dawkins and
116:24 said Jerry Coin and Richard Dawkins and and Colin Wright and all them all these
116:27 and Colin Wright and all them all these people who again when when I I don't
116:29 people who again when when I I don't know I can't speak for Erica but I can
116:31 know I can't speak for Erica but I can say in my undergrad degree and through
116:33 say in my undergrad degree and through my entire uh graduate school career but
116:36 my entire uh graduate school career but my I started in anthropology moved into
116:38 my I started in anthropology moved into biomedical sciences now I do molecular
116:40 biomedical sciences now I do molecular biology I have yet to have an actual
116:44 biology I have yet to have an actual academic training me who's spewing the
116:47 academic training me who's spewing the same kind of [ __ ] that Jerry Coin
116:48 same kind of [ __ ] that Jerry Coin and Colin Wright and Richard Dawkins are
116:50 and Colin Wright and Richard Dawkins are spewing because Anybody who actually
116:52 spewing because Anybody who actually reads what they're saying about this
116:53 reads what they're saying about this stuff can very easily point out the
116:55 stuff can very easily point out the flaws in it. They are their whole job is
116:58 flaws in it. They are their whole job is to say I am an esteemed biologist and
117:01 to say I am an esteemed biologist and that's why you should believe me when I
117:02 that's why you should believe me when I say that all these institutions that
117:04 say that all these institutions that lend me my credibility are all wrong and
117:06 lend me my credibility are all wrong and untrustworth
117:08 untrustworth and why Zack Elliot from the Paradox.
117:12 and why Zack Elliot from the Paradox. >> Yeah. No, I'm not I'm not I'm not in
117:15 >> Yeah. No, I'm not I'm not I'm not in >> You said the Paradox Institute. Okay.
117:17 >> You said the Paradox Institute. Okay. Yeah. No, I know you're not [ __ ]
117:18 Yeah. No, I know you're not [ __ ] serious. The Paradox Institute is run by
117:20 serious. The Paradox Institute is run by I believe Zack Elliot who is an
117:21 I believe Zack Elliot who is an architecture student who is and him and
117:24 architecture student who is and him and his friends who one of them is an
117:26 his friends who one of them is an animator I believe and then they got a
117:28 animator I believe and then they got a PhD student in neuroscience who
117:30 PhD student in neuroscience who disagrees with the multiple neuroscience
117:32 disagrees with the multiple neuroscience PhDs who who read off and signed off on
117:35 PhDs who who read off and signed off on my video that argues against everything
117:36 my video that argues against everything they said. Uh and also the people who
117:38 they said. Uh and also the people who train me in neuroscience and grad
117:40 train me in neuroscience and grad school. Also them who also agree that
117:42 school. Also them who also agree that they're wrong. So, an architect, an
117:44 they're wrong. So, an architect, an architecture student came out and said
117:46 architecture student came out and said that trans women aren't real. That's the
117:48 that trans women aren't real. That's the thirst you believe. When when when Colin
117:50 thirst you believe. When when when Colin Wright and and uh uh Richard Dawkins and
117:53 Wright and and uh uh Richard Dawkins and Jerry Coin all go against the academic
117:56 Jerry Coin all go against the academic uh consensus, yo. All right, [ __ ] you.
117:59 uh consensus, yo. All right, [ __ ] you. But this architecture student, he knows.
118:02 But this architecture student, he knows. Good gravy, dude. You're not [ __ ]
118:04 Good gravy, dude. You're not [ __ ] serious about this.
118:06 serious about this. >> I mean, I don't know. I like it's so
118:08 >> I mean, I don't know. I like it's so it's so frustrating to me because it's
118:10 it's so frustrating to me because it's like I've read what Jerry Coin and what
118:12 like I've read what Jerry Coin and what Colin Wright and what Richard Dawkins
118:14 Colin Wright and what Richard Dawkins has said about this debate if you will
118:17 has said about this debate if you will and force has probably already said it
118:19 and force has probably already said it when I was up peeing or getting coffee
118:20 when I was up peeing or getting coffee or trying to fix my Wi-Fi. So it's like
118:22 or trying to fix my Wi-Fi. So it's like this has probably already been covered
118:23 this has probably already been covered but like these people will recognize
118:25 but like these people will recognize that sex and gender first of all aren't
118:27 that sex and gender first of all aren't the same thing. Then they'll also
118:29 the same thing. Then they'll also recognize that there are
118:32 recognize that there are >> exceptions to the binary that they
118:34 >> exceptions to the binary that they present which definitionally makes it
118:36 present which definitionally makes it not a binary. So my question is often
118:39 not a binary. So my question is often okay well then why why are we pretending
118:41 okay well then why why are we pretending it is if even the people who say it
118:43 it is if even the people who say it isn't recognize there's exceptions and
118:45 isn't recognize there's exceptions and what you know I'm being glib here but in
118:47 what you know I'm being glib here but in so far as I can tell their answer to
118:49 so far as I can tell their answer to that is well just because right it's a
118:51 that is well just because right it's a binary because I want it to be a binary.
118:53 binary because I want it to be a binary. Are there exceptions? Yes. Should we
118:55 Are there exceptions? Yes. Should we count them? No. No, actually we won't.
118:58 count them? No. No, actually we won't. Even though you can generally use
118:59 Even though you can generally use characteristics to group people into to
119:02 characteristics to group people into to male or female, the exceptions that
119:03 male or female, the exceptions that exist, um we're just going to go and set
119:05 exist, um we're just going to go and set those to the side. But that's not how we
119:07 those to the side. But that's not how we functionally do science in literally any
119:10 functionally do science in literally any area. So, I don't understand why they're
119:12 area. So, I don't understand why they're so insistent on that. But I do think the
119:14 so insistent on that. But I do think the reason probably has to do with more of
119:16 reason probably has to do with more of the cultural implications that they're
119:17 the cultural implications that they're uncomfortable with and so they simply
119:19 uncomfortable with and so they simply have to have to argue with the straw
119:21 have to have to argue with the straw man. For instance, I've seen some of
119:22 man. For instance, I've seen some of these guys say that it's like, "Oh,
119:24 these guys say that it's like, "Oh, these these nefarious leftist new age
119:28 these these nefarious leftist new age scientists are arguing that sex isn't
119:30 scientists are arguing that sex isn't real." Where where who is saying that?
119:33 real." Where where who is saying that? >> Who is saying that sex isn't real? Like,
119:35 >> Who is saying that sex isn't real? Like, please show me somebody who's saying
119:37 please show me somebody who's saying that. The problem is is that upcoming
119:39 that. The problem is is that upcoming scientists recognize more nuance than
119:41 scientists recognize more nuance than than previous scientists did. But that
119:44 than previous scientists did. But that being said, even Colin Wright, even
119:46 being said, even Colin Wright, even Jerry Coin, even Richard Dawkins, as as
119:48 Jerry Coin, even Richard Dawkins, as as we've already covered, still do
119:50 we've already covered, still do recognize that there's nuance. They just
119:52 recognize that there's nuance. They just refuse to recognize it officially. Like,
119:54 refuse to recognize it officially. Like, you can see I I think it was Shawn when
119:56 you can see I I think it was Shawn when Sean was going over the the war on
119:58 Sean was going over the the war on science book, and he was covering some
119:59 science book, and he was covering some of these guys passages in that most
120:02 of these guys passages in that most recent text on um trans people and on
120:04 recent text on um trans people and on sex and and whether it's a binary or
120:06 sex and and whether it's a binary or not. and he read quotes out from this
120:09 not. and he read quotes out from this text from Dawkins and I and I think Coin
120:11 text from Dawkins and I and I think Coin as well Colin Wright I don't think was
120:12 as well Colin Wright I don't think was involved in the book um where they're
120:13 involved in the book um where they're like yeah you know they're interex
120:15 like yeah you know they're interex people uh however they only make up x%
120:18 people uh however they only make up x% of the population so we don't need to
120:19 of the population so we don't need to consider them and it's like okay
120:21 consider them and it's like okay >> right
120:22 >> right >> well I'm really sorry but that's that's
120:24 >> well I'm really sorry but that's that's just not how it works if these guys were
120:26 just not how it works if these guys were coming out and saying generally people
120:28 coming out and saying generally people fall into male or female that we'd be
120:31 fall into male or female that we'd be having a different conversation right
120:32 having a different conversation right now but that's not what they're saying
120:33 now but that's not what they're saying they're saying sex is strictly speaking
120:35 they're saying sex is strictly speaking binary and And that's all she wrote and
120:38 binary and And that's all she wrote and that's all there is to it. And I don't
120:40 that's all there is to it. And I don't think that that I don't think that that
120:42 think that that I don't think that that shows an understanding of biology
120:44 shows an understanding of biology befitting of such educated people,
120:46 befitting of such educated people, certainly considering what they've said
120:48 certainly considering what they've said in the past. So I I don't know, man. I I
120:50 in the past. So I I don't know, man. I I I find it very confusing. I I find it
120:52 I find it very confusing. I I find it extremely confusing why so many people
120:54 extremely confusing why so many people are are hung up on something that
120:56 are are hung up on something that impacts their lives in in quite
120:57 impacts their lives in in quite literally no way whatsoever. Um but
121:00 literally no way whatsoever. Um but that's the world that we live in. So,
121:03 that's the world that we live in. So, >> yep. I'm going to do the thing again
121:06 >> yep. I'm going to do the thing again >> just really really quickly. I'm going to
121:08 >> just really really quickly. I'm going to I'm going to do this thing again that I
121:09 I'm going to do this thing again that I love to do. I'm going to just show this
121:11 love to do. I'm going to just show this on the screen. This is literally basic
121:14 on the screen. This is literally basic [ __ ] biology textbook. Campbell
121:16 [ __ ] biology textbook. Campbell biology concepts and connections here.
121:18 biology concepts and connections here. This is what you would use for any
121:20 This is what you would use for any undergrad student, freshman biology,
121:23 undergrad student, freshman biology, maybe even high school biology student
121:25 maybe even high school biology student like AP biology in high school. Um, and
121:27 like AP biology in high school. Um, and we can go in here and we can just do
121:30 we can go in here and we can just do Crl+ F and look up trans oh gender.
121:35 Crl+ F and look up trans oh gender. And guess what we find? We find this
121:37 And guess what we find? We find this little paragraph right here. The
121:39 little paragraph right here. The biochemical, physiological, and
121:41 biochemical, physiological, and anatomical features associated with
121:43 anatomical features associated with quote males and females are turning out
121:45 quote males and females are turning out to be more complex than previously
121:47 to be more complex than previously realized with many genes involved in
121:49 realized with many genes involved in their development. We now know that sex
121:51 their development. We now know that sex is not a binary state with just two
121:54 is not a binary state with just two defined outcomes. Because of the
121:56 defined outcomes. Because of the complexity of the genes and proteins
121:58 complexity of the genes and proteins involved in sex determination, many
122:00 involved in sex determination, many variations exist. Some individuals are
122:03 variations exist. Some individuals are born with intermediate sexual or interex
122:05 born with intermediate sexual or interex characteristics or with anatomical
122:07 characteristics or with anatomical features that do not match an individual
122:09 features that do not match an individual sense of their own gender, known as
122:11 sense of their own gender, known as transgender individuals. Sex
122:13 transgender individuals. Sex determination is an active area of
122:15 determination is an active area of research that she should yield a more
122:17 research that she should yield a more sophisticated understanding in years to
122:20 sophisticated understanding in years to come. And it even has a little quiz down
122:22 come. And it even has a little quiz down here. I don't know if you can see it on
122:23 here. I don't know if you can see it on the screen there where it says, "Does
122:24 the screen there where it says, "Does the development of ovaries necessarily
122:26 the development of ovaries necessarily mean that a human has two X
122:27 mean that a human has two X chromosomes?" And has a little quiz box
122:29 chromosomes?" And has a little quiz box here. It says, "No, that's not what that
122:31 here. It says, "No, that's not what that means at all." So again, literally
122:34 means at all." So again, literally introductory biology. Literally, when
122:37 introductory biology. Literally, when all these people talk about, oh, it's
122:38 all these people talk about, oh, it's just basic biology. actual literal basic
122:41 just basic biology. actual literal basic biology disagrees with these folks and
122:44 biology disagrees with these folks and that is this is what is taught in
122:47 that is this is what is taught in universities at this moment. So this is
122:50 universities at this moment. So this is why transphobia just like all other
122:52 why transphobia just like all other kinds of science denial just like so
122:55 kinds of science denial just like so creationism, antiax, flat earth, it's
122:58 creationism, antiax, flat earth, it's all boiling down to the same [ __ ]
123:00 all boiling down to the same [ __ ] conspiracy theories of this is all just
123:03 conspiracy theories of this is all just this new ideology that's being forced
123:06 this new ideology that's being forced into the schools to to indoctrinate the
123:08 into the schools to to indoctrinate the children and and lead us away from the
123:10 children and and lead us away from the truth ofah whatever. That's why all
123:13 truth ofah whatever. That's why all these amazing biologists who are so good
123:16 these amazing biologists who are so good at their job that they write the
123:18 at their job that they write the textbook used to train new biologists.
123:22 textbook used to train new biologists. That's why they say all these things
123:24 That's why they say all these things that I think are so wrong. I can pull
123:26 that I think are so wrong. I can pull out for you right back here. I've got my
123:28 out for you right back here. I've got my genetics textbook. I've got another I've
123:31 genetics textbook. I've got another I've got my human biology textbook back here.
123:33 got my human biology textbook back here. I've got like five or six [ __ ]
123:34 I've got like five or six [ __ ] textbooks. Most of them that I used
123:37 textbooks. Most of them that I used while earning my biology degrees. All
123:39 while earning my biology degrees. All that say the same [ __ ] thing. Sex and
123:41 that say the same [ __ ] thing. Sex and gender are different. Neither are a
123:43 gender are different. Neither are a binary. They're not necessarily
123:44 binary. They're not necessarily congruent. It's not [ __ ] news. It's
123:47 congruent. It's not [ __ ] news. It's been this way for like a hundred years.
123:49 been this way for like a hundred years. Just as it stands right now, our society
123:52 Just as it stands right now, our society is having a hard time catching up to
123:54 is having a hard time catching up to science. And you got people like Rob who
123:58 science. And you got people like Rob who just [ __ ] can't let go of this
124:00 just [ __ ] can't let go of this weirdass narrative that women are in
124:03 weirdass narrative that women are in such danger that we need to put other
124:06 such danger that we need to put other women in more danger in order to keep
124:09 women in more danger in order to keep them safe. We're not going to do like
124:11 them safe. We're not going to do like Rob, if you were halfway [ __ ] serious
124:14 Rob, if you were halfway [ __ ] serious about this, why aren't you out here
124:16 about this, why aren't you out here putting in all this effort to champion
124:19 putting in all this effort to champion like social changes for men? Why aren't
124:23 like social changes for men? Why aren't you arguing against Jordan Peterson and
124:26 you arguing against Jordan Peterson and and Andrew Tate and all these toxic
124:29 and Andrew Tate and all these toxic masculinity [ __ ] dude bro podcast
124:32 masculinity [ __ ] dude bro podcast that take confused, alienated, lonely
124:35 that take confused, alienated, lonely young men and turn them into [ __ ]
124:38 young men and turn them into [ __ ] predatory [ __ ] Why aren't you
124:40 predatory [ __ ] Why aren't you putting in all of this energy into
124:43 putting in all of this energy into calling out other guys into trying to
124:45 calling out other guys into trying to call out rape culture into talking about
124:47 call out rape culture into talking about how we need to be taking out all of this
124:49 how we need to be taking out all of this like machismo out of the media and all
124:52 like machismo out of the media and all this? Why aren't you talking about that?
124:54 this? Why aren't you talking about that? Why is it only trans women that gain the
124:58 Why is it only trans women that gain the whole burden of this [ __ ] horrible
125:01 whole burden of this [ __ ] horrible world and they're the ones that need to
125:03 world and they're the ones that need to be put more at risk just to make you
125:06 be put more at risk just to make you slightly more comfortable? It's
125:07 slightly more comfortable? It's [ __ ] dude. It is just it's
125:10 [ __ ] dude. It is just it's homophobia and sexism wrapped into a
125:13 homophobia and sexism wrapped into a diarrhea martini we call transphobia.
125:15 diarrhea martini we call transphobia. And it proves once again, as it has
125:18 And it proves once again, as it has always been the case, that nobody, not
125:21 always been the case, that nobody, not one single person on earth thinks about
125:25 one single person on earth thinks about trans people's genitals more than
125:26 trans people's genitals more than transphobes. It's all they can [ __ ]
125:29 transphobes. It's all they can [ __ ] think about. So with that, uh, it's been
125:31 think about. So with that, uh, it's been an excruciating hour of our time, Rob,
125:34 an excruciating hour of our time, Rob, that we have given you. I didn't mute
125:36 that we have given you. I didn't mute you until the very [ __ ] end. I gave
125:39 you until the very [ __ ] end. I gave you plenty of time to say everything you
125:42 you plenty of time to say everything you needed to say. I let so much [ __ ] slide
125:44 needed to say. I let so much [ __ ] slide that I would never have slid before just
125:46 that I would never have slid before just to make sure that you couldn't claim
125:47 to make sure that you couldn't claim that you didn't get your [ __ ] two
125:49 that you didn't get your [ __ ] two cents and you got more than that. We
125:51 cents and you got more than that. We gave you a ton of time and it was really
125:54 gave you a ton of time and it was really [ __ ] boring and really [ __ ] gross.
125:56 [ __ ] boring and really [ __ ] gross. I encourage you to do some actual
125:57 I encourage you to do some actual [ __ ] research and not just idolize
125:59 [ __ ] research and not just idolize [ __ ] who use their credentials as a
126:02 [ __ ] who use their credentials as a weapon. It sucks. And with that, we're
126:04 weapon. It sucks. And with that, we're gonna move on to somebody serious. Bye,
126:06 gonna move on to somebody serious. Bye, Rob.
126:14 >> Super chats. >> Well, well,
126:15 >> Well, well, >> real gross. Super chat.
126:21 >> [ __ ] >> Oh, lord.
126:22 >> Oh, lord. >> Oh, that blue.
126:29 Uh, that's good in there though. Some good clips.
126:31 good clips. Hey, maybe maybe uh let's have five
126:35 Hey, maybe maybe uh let's have five bucks from Joshua Everett 9887.
126:39 bucks from Joshua Everett 9887. Uh all day streams do come true. Now for
126:43 Uh all day streams do come true. Now for some good calls. I'll let you decide.
126:46 some good calls. I'll let you decide. You've heard two. We had we had somebody
126:49 You've heard two. We had we had somebody talking about intelligent design and
126:51 talking about intelligent design and somebody talking about transphobia.
126:53 somebody talking about transphobia. >> What What do we got?
126:55 >> What What do we got? >> There's a lot. So we could go through
126:57 >> There's a lot. So we could go through them quick.
126:59 them quick. >> [ __ ] [ __ ] dude. I've got to send it
127:01 >> [ __ ] [ __ ] dude. I've got to send it I got to send this link to my
127:03 I got to send this link to my >> Oh, oh, I'm reading it. Sorry. I have to
127:05 >> Oh, oh, I'm reading it. Sorry. I have to send this link to my mom because she was
127:06 send this link to my mom because she was like, "Oh, you're doing a show today.
127:08 like, "Oh, you're doing a show today. Tell me all about it." And I was like,
127:10 Tell me all about it." And I was like, "Why don't we wait till the end of this
127:11 "Why don't we wait till the end of this call before I send her the
127:12 call before I send her the >> Prepare to be disappointed, Mom? Here we
127:14 >> Prepare to be disappointed, Mom? Here we go."
127:15 go." >> She was She would show up in the chat
127:17 >> She was She would show up in the chat and start raging. $5 from the negative
127:20 and start raging. $5 from the negative comment. Uh, a tour TNC ji forced. Hi
127:24 comment. Uh, a tour TNC ji forced. Hi Erica. Thanks for helping me get through
127:26 Erica. Thanks for helping me get through developmental bio in high school and a
127:30 developmental bio in high school and a few years back or a few years back.
127:31 few years back or a few years back. Professor Dave 2, lol. I don't know when
127:33 Professor Dave 2, lol. I don't know when I've ever talked about developmental
127:35 I've ever talked about developmental biology, but I'm glad if that's what
127:37 biology, but I'm glad if that's what this is, I'm glad that it helped.
127:40 this is, I'm glad that it helped. >> I [ __ ] hate I did I did evolutionary
127:42 >> I [ __ ] hate I did I did evolutionary developmental biology in grad school and
127:45 developmental biology in grad school and uh holy [ __ ] dude. It was wild. I
127:47 uh holy [ __ ] dude. It was wild. I didn't get to do the full super hard
127:49 didn't get to do the full super hard development course because that was for
127:51 development course because that was for the medical students, but like I got Evo
127:53 the medical students, but like I got Evo DVO and that that was enough. It's
127:56 DVO and that that was enough. It's [ __ ] rough, dude. I've still got I've
127:58 [ __ ] rough, dude. I've still got I've got my developmental biology textbook
128:00 got my developmental biology textbook back there.
128:02 back there. >> Ask me about somites. I can't tell you a
128:04 >> Ask me about somites. I can't tell you a thing about them anymore, but by all
128:07 thing about them anymore, but by all means, ask me about them.
128:09 means, ask me about them. That's the that's the for those in the
128:11 That's the that's the for those in the chat that's a cluster of
128:12 chat that's a cluster of undifferentiated cells that will become
128:15 undifferentiated cells that will become your vertebrae and the surrounding
128:17 your vertebrae and the surrounding neurovvasculare and maybe muscles as
128:19 neurovvasculare and maybe muscles as well. Your axial skeleton and and
128:22 well. Your axial skeleton and and hypoxial muscles. Nope. Epaxial muscles.
128:27 hypoxial muscles. Nope. Epaxial muscles. Yes, your axial skeleton and epaxial
128:30 Yes, your axial skeleton and epaxial muscles and your central nervous system.
128:33 muscles and your central nervous system. Not your central nervous system, but
128:34 Not your central nervous system, but where it's going to be. That's where
128:35 where it's going to be. That's where what your somites do. Uh $10 uh in
128:39 what your somites do. Uh $10 uh in monarchy bucks from Jay Sicka 87. Uh
128:43 monarchy bucks from Jay Sicka 87. Uh like life like constipation is hard and
128:46 like life like constipation is hard and we got to push through. Nice. Uh did you
128:49 we got to push through. Nice. Uh did you hear about the monkey that was trained
128:50 hear about the monkey that was trained to throw poo? It caused third degree
128:53 to throw poo? It caused third degree burns. What does that mean?
128:55 burns. What does that mean? >> That doesn't make sense. That does not
128:56 >> That doesn't make sense. That does not make sense. Just poop doesn't burn you.
128:58 make sense. Just poop doesn't burn you. Poop doesn't burn you.
129:00 Poop doesn't burn you. >> Jessica,
129:01 >> Jessica, >> it can
129:03 >> it can Espeon sucks. Love you soon. Erica loves
129:05 Espeon sucks. Love you soon. Erica loves poopuns. Hell yes.
129:09 poopuns. Hell yes. >> No, not hell yes. 10 pounds. I'm sorry.
129:12 >> No, not hell yes. 10 pounds. I'm sorry. Euros. I I'm still pre-rexit or pre pre
129:15 Euros. I I'm still pre-rexit or pre pre whatever whenever they switch currency.
129:17 whatever whenever they switch currency. Did they do that?
129:18 Did they do that? >> Just listen to talk about hyenas by
129:20 >> Just listen to talk about hyenas by Seolski. That made me curious. Is there
129:22 Seolski. That made me curious. Is there a connection between testosterone levels
129:24 a connection between testosterone levels and dominance in the animal kingdom or
129:26 and dominance in the animal kingdom or is this arbitrary? Um there is a
129:29 is this arbitrary? Um there is a correlation between relative
129:31 correlation between relative testosterone levels and aggression,
129:34 testosterone levels and aggression, agonism and despotic hierarchies in the
129:37 agonism and despotic hierarchies in the animal kingdom. So animals that have
129:39 animal kingdom. So animals that have more relative testosterone for their
129:41 more relative testosterone for their body size tend to form more uh
129:43 body size tend to form more uh hierarchical as compared to egalitarian
129:47 hierarchical as compared to egalitarian group structures. But within those
129:50 group structures. But within those groups, not necessarily. the more
129:52 groups, not necessarily. the more testosterone an individual has. I I
129:54 testosterone an individual has. I I think there was actually a specific
129:55 think there was actually a specific study that was done on this with it
129:57 study that was done on this with it might have been some kind of circoid,
129:59 might have been some kind of circoid, but I can't remember where they were
130:01 but I can't remember where they were looking at whether or not this was
130:02 looking at whether or not this was related to the position in the dominance
130:04 related to the position in the dominance hierarchy or um as well as and or I
130:08 hierarchy or um as well as and or I should say the amount of offspring that
130:11 should say the amount of offspring that that individual sired and it's not a
130:13 that individual sired and it's not a onetoone. Case in point, um, females
130:15 onetoone. Case in point, um, females very frequently, um, in specific species
130:18 very frequently, um, in specific species can hold the alpha status within
130:20 can hold the alpha status within primates and they typically have less
130:22 primates and they typically have less testosterone than males do. Um, lots of
130:24 testosterone than males do. Um, lots of lemurs are like this. Bonobos are like
130:26 lemurs are like this. Bonobos are like this, some macaks are like this. Um, and
130:30 this, some macaks are like this. Um, and there are many, many, many co-ominant
130:32 there are many, many, many co-ominant societies as well. So, the answer is not
130:34 societies as well. So, the answer is not necessarily.
130:36 necessarily. As far as I remember, the biggest thing
130:38 As far as I remember, the biggest thing to remember is that um testosterone is
130:40 to remember is that um testosterone is not what people think is the violent
130:43 not what people think is the violent chemical and the man chemical. It's the
130:45 chemical and the man chemical. It's the get upandgo chemical. It's it it it just
130:48 get upandgo chemical. It's it it it just makes you do the things. And so it's
130:50 makes you do the things. And so it's like saying, you know, like, oh, men are
130:52 like saying, you know, like, oh, men are more testosterone, so they're more
130:53 more testosterone, so they're more violent. No, no, no, no, no. A a a man
130:56 violent. No, no, no, no, no. A a a man like me with a ton of testosterone is
130:58 like me with a ton of testosterone is going to just be the snuggliest
130:59 going to just be the snuggliest [ __ ] you've ever met. And so
131:01 [ __ ] you've ever met. And so like it's it's going to make you more
131:04 like it's it's going to make you more active in whatever you already were. And
131:07 active in whatever you already were. And so when you have you know like
131:10 so when you have you know like behavioral evolution is a thing. So when
131:12 behavioral evolution is a thing. So when you have an evolved behavior add
131:14 you have an evolved behavior add testosterone amplify behavior kind of
131:16 testosterone amplify behavior kind of thing is what if I remember correctly
131:18 thing is what if I remember correctly that's the way that it works. That's why
131:19 that's the way that it works. That's why there's correlation but not necessarily
131:21 there's correlation but not necessarily causation in so far as like there's more
131:23 causation in so far as like there's more testosterone so these guys are going to
131:25 testosterone so these guys are going to be hierarchical. Does that make sense?
131:27 be hierarchical. Does that make sense? Am I saying that right? H sounds good to
131:30 Am I saying that right? H sounds good to me, but I'm eating a banana, so I'm
131:32 me, but I'm eating a banana, so I'm distracted.
131:35 distracted. >> 10 Canadian dollars from David Hackor
131:37 >> 10 Canadian dollars from David Hackor Forest. Humans and dinosaurs never
131:39 Forest. Humans and dinosaurs never coexisted. Me casawary. Yeah. Yeah. I I
131:42 coexisted. Me casawary. Yeah. Yeah. I I did a video about that with um Kyle Butt
131:44 did a video about that with um Kyle Butt a little while ago where he was talking
131:45 a little while ago where he was talking about humans and dinosaurs live
131:46 about humans and dinosaurs live together. I'm like, they did just not
131:48 together. I'm like, they did just not the way you think because birds as
131:50 the way you think because birds as dinosaurs, y'all. Shrimps as bugs and
131:53 dinosaurs, y'all. Shrimps as bugs and birds as dinosaurs.
131:55 birds as dinosaurs. >> Kiwi, rhea, bearded vulture. Mhm.
131:59 >> Kiwi, rhea, bearded vulture. Mhm. >> Ostrich. Like go through the list. There
132:01 >> Ostrich. Like go through the list. There are so many.
132:01 are so many. >> You just you could just name birds. You
132:02 >> You just you could just name birds. You just name birds.
132:03 just name birds. >> Yeah. Yeah. Geese, shoe bill, stork.
132:06 >> Yeah. Yeah. Geese, shoe bill, stork. Like I I'm thinking of the ones that are
132:08 Like I I'm thinking of the ones that are like the most dinosaury in my head. And
132:11 like the most dinosaury in my head. And there are there are a lot of them. Just
132:13 there are there are a lot of them. Just look at their feet.
132:14 look at their feet. >> You know what though, for real, you
132:16 >> You know what though, for real, you you've got like shoe bills and
132:18 you've got like shoe bills and casawaries and [ __ ] And then legit
132:20 casawaries and [ __ ] And then legit though, just goose. Just throw goose in
132:23 though, just goose. Just throw goose in there. And there. Yeah, absolutely.
132:25 there. And there. Yeah, absolutely. >> Yo, my god,
132:26 >> Yo, my god, >> dude. I a goose a goose will put me in
132:30 >> dude. I a goose a goose will put me in the hospital. I'm so scared of a goose.
132:32 the hospital. I'm so scared of a goose. They they I I think it I was going to
132:34 They they I I think it I was going to explain how I had a traumatic like a
132:36 explain how I had a traumatic like a traumatic um experience with a goose
132:38 traumatic um experience with a goose growing up, but like I think that's just
132:39 growing up, but like I think that's just a universal human experience.
132:42 a universal human experience. >> Yeah, people have bad goose experiences.
132:45 >> Yeah, people have bad goose experiences. >> What kind of goose?
132:46 >> What kind of goose? >> I had two geese. I
132:49 >> I had two geese. I one one was so I I wanted to get em
132:51 one one was so I I wanted to get em because they're these really chill like
132:53 because they're these really chill like German like honking things. I ended up
132:56 German like honking things. I ended up with a Chinese goose and an African
132:58 with a Chinese goose and an African goose, the loudest and meanest kind.
133:02 goose, the loudest and meanest kind. Uh, and so there's, uh, one of them,
133:05 Uh, and so there's, uh, one of them, their names were Lucifer and Gilgamesh.
133:07 their names were Lucifer and Gilgamesh. Uh, Lucy and Gilly. Uh, Lucy was a white
133:11 Uh, Lucy and Gilly. Uh, Lucy was a white Chinese goose, so she she was all white
133:13 Chinese goose, so she she was all white and she had the little orange hump [ __ ]
133:15 and she had the little orange hump [ __ ] on her head. Um, and she was ridiculous.
133:18 on her head. Um, and she was ridiculous. Uh, and then Gilly was an African gusso,
133:20 Uh, and then Gilly was an African gusso, the brown and black uh with the also
133:23 the brown and black uh with the also with the pump on the head, black face.
133:25 with the pump on the head, black face. Um, and they were just rid If you ever
133:29 Um, and they were just rid If you ever if you ever think that there is like
133:31 if you ever think that there is like order in the universe and that nature
133:34 order in the universe and that nature like is logical and makes sense. Meet a
133:35 like is logical and makes sense. Meet a goose. Geese are nonsense animals.
133:38 goose. Geese are nonsense animals. They're ridiculous. Uh, and so we had
133:40 They're ridiculous. Uh, and so we had these two geese and after a little while
133:43 these two geese and after a little while they were just so loud. We live in a
133:46 they were just so loud. We live in a residential area. We meant to have these
133:48 residential area. We meant to have these chill little homestead geese and we got
133:50 chill little homestead geese and we got the loudest [ __ ] geese in the world
133:52 the loudest [ __ ] geese in the world and they're just squonking and honking
133:54 and they're just squonking and honking all day long. So, we had to, you know,
133:56 all day long. So, we had to, you know, give them to our friends that that own
133:58 give them to our friends that that own some some land and stuff and uh I still
134:02 some some land and stuff and uh I still one of my happiest memories is like we
134:05 one of my happiest memories is like we went out to the shed where they lived.
134:06 went out to the shed where they lived. Uh and the the geese were fine with me.
134:10 Uh and the the geese were fine with me. Lucy was my goose and she would bite the
134:13 Lucy was my goose and she would bite the out of amber all the time. I still
134:16 out of amber all the time. I still remember just going out there and saying
134:18 remember just going out there and saying goodbye to him. It was freezing cold.
134:20 goodbye to him. It was freezing cold. And we go out there in the middle of the
134:21 And we go out there in the middle of the night and we're like, "You guys go away
134:22 night and we're like, "You guys go away tomorrow. We love you." And Lucy starts
134:25 tomorrow. We love you." And Lucy starts hissing at Amber and she's like, "All
134:26 hissing at Amber and she's like, "All right, fine. One more. Just do it, you
134:28 right, fine. One more. Just do it, you [ __ ] You [ __ ] You bitch." And she's
134:30 [ __ ] You [ __ ] You bitch." And she's just biting the [ __ ] out of Amber and
134:32 just biting the [ __ ] out of Amber and just let it get so good.
134:34 just let it get so good. >> Oh, I love them so much.
134:35 >> Oh, I love them so much. >> This is This is less of a This is less
134:37 >> This is This is less of a This is less of a heartwarming story than I was
134:38 of a heartwarming story than I was anticipating. I was picturing like a go
134:40 anticipating. I was picturing like a go on get kind of story and it is this is
134:44 on get kind of story and it is this is not that.
134:45 not that. >> This is this is like
134:47 >> This is this is like >> oh my god
134:48 >> oh my god >> one last rager last rager
134:51 >> one last rager last rager >> he would he would bite the [ __ ] out of
134:52 >> he would he would bite the [ __ ] out of your pants and like not let go of you
134:54 your pants and like not let go of you and then punch the [ __ ] out of you with
134:56 and then punch the [ __ ] out of you with his wings. Oh, it was great. If let me
134:58 his wings. Oh, it was great. If let me tell you
134:59 tell you >> no
134:59 >> no >> if anybody out there if you ever need to
135:02 >> if anybody out there if you ever need to stop a goose if you were ever having a
135:03 stop a goose if you were ever having a bad goose buckets. Get a bucket. That's
135:07 bad goose buckets. Get a bucket. That's all you need because what you can do is
135:09 all you need because what you can do is you can take the bucket and just
135:10 you can take the bucket and just overturn it and just put them in the
135:12 overturn it and just put them in the bucket.
135:12 bucket. >> They run at you and they'll hang out and
135:14 >> They run at you and they'll hang out and you just put them in the bucket and you
135:15 you just put them in the bucket and you you you confound them and they don't and
135:17 you you confound them and they don't and then you take it off and they still they
135:18 then you take it off and they still they don't understand what just where they
135:20 don't understand what just where they went.
135:20 went. >> You can also, if you you're careful, you
135:22 >> You can also, if you you're careful, you can take a goose and invert it, lay it
135:25 can take a goose and invert it, lay it on its back. They don't know what the
135:26 on its back. They don't know what the [ __ ] to do. They just they just kick
135:28 [ __ ] to do. They just they just kick >> they just kick like this and they they
135:30 >> they just kick like this and they they snake around on the ground.
135:32 snake around on the ground. >> Yes. You can just put them in a bucket
135:34 >> Yes. You can just put them in a bucket or just turn them upside down and
135:35 or just turn them upside down and they're and nothing they can do to you.
135:39 they're and nothing they can do to you. >> Geese are great. I love them so much.
135:41 >> Geese are great. I love them so much. >> We have 1039 from Cory Springer for the
135:43 >> We have 1039 from Cory Springer for the inevitable one more call go. And yes, I
135:45 inevitable one more call go. And yes, I cut off your story cuz I was moving us
135:48 cut off your story cuz I was moving us forward. I'm moving us right along. Not
135:50 forward. I'm moving us right along. Not that I don't love him.
135:51 that I don't love him. >> We have 1086.
135:56 >> Wait, what? >> Erica's drunk.
135:58 >> Erica's drunk. >> You said 1093 or something. I don't know
135:59 >> You said 1093 or something. I don't know what you said, but it was not
136:00 what you said, but it was not >> Yeah, you said you said 10. You said
136:02 >> Yeah, you said you said 10. You said 10:39.
136:05 10:39. >> Okay. I might have just I don't know why
136:09 >> Okay. I might have just I don't know why I said that. Whatever. 1086. What was I
136:12 I said that. Whatever. 1086. What was I even looking at? Okay. I don't know. I I
136:15 even looking at? Okay. I don't know. I I just pretend I said 1086. Pretend I said
136:18 just pretend I said 1086. Pretend I said the right thing.
136:20 the right thing. >> Hell yeah.
136:21 >> Hell yeah. >> For the inevitable one more call goal.
136:22 >> For the inevitable one more call goal. I'll just read it again. Okay. Next.
136:24 I'll just read it again. Okay. Next. Next slide.
136:26 Next slide. >> Sorry, I got derailed for a second.
136:28 >> Sorry, I got derailed for a second. >> No, no, it's okay.
136:29 >> No, no, it's okay. >> A shot of silver bow. the smartest host
136:32 >> A shot of silver bow. the smartest host on the line and Forest Valky all day. Is
136:36 on the line and Forest Valky all day. Is it my birthday? Why were there Why were
136:38 it my birthday? Why were there Why were the Romans so bad at at algebra? They
136:42 the Romans so bad at at algebra? They always ended up with X equals 10. That's
136:44 always ended up with X equals 10. That's excellent. That's very
136:46 excellent. That's very >> This is one of those things where like
136:48 >> This is one of those things where like you can suck up to me all you want, but
136:50 you can suck up to me all you want, but what I remember is the last thing that
136:51 what I remember is the last thing that you say in the super chat. And so the
136:54 you say in the super chat. And so the the kind compliment saying I'm smarter
136:55 the kind compliment saying I'm smarter than force, which is probably not true.
136:57 than force, which is probably not true. Uh, aside, I will come to your house and
137:00 Uh, aside, I will come to your house and kill you with a gun. 10 euros from D
137:02 kill you with a gun. 10 euros from D Lenny. Speaking of probability, an earn
137:04 Lenny. Speaking of probability, an earn contains 100 creationist arguments. If
137:06 contains 100 creationist arguments. If you pull six arguments from this without
137:08 you pull six arguments from this without replacement, what is the probability
137:09 replacement, what is the probability that you got one valid argument?
137:12 that you got one valid argument? Yeah, we could play this game all day.
137:14 Yeah, we could play this game all day. It's a this is a this is a divide by
137:16 It's a this is a this is a divide by zero kind of situation.
137:19 zero kind of situation. >> Five bucks from Karen Boyd. Uh, I
137:22 >> Five bucks from Karen Boyd. Uh, I thought about sending a pun about Erica
137:25 thought about sending a pun about Erica and lag, but I couldn't I didn't want to
137:28 and lag, but I couldn't I didn't want to buffer her wrath.
137:31 buffer her wrath. That's really good.
137:32 That's really good. >> That's excellent.
137:33 >> That's excellent. >> The joke is that it's it's suffer,
137:35 >> The joke is that it's it's suffer, right? Suffer versus buffer. That Wow,
137:37 right? Suffer versus buffer. That Wow, that's so creative. The word rhyme.
137:39 that's so creative. The word rhyme. Incredible.
137:40 Incredible. >> $5 from SJL force. Erica, would you
137:42 >> $5 from SJL force. Erica, would you appear on that Jubilee you versus 20
137:45 appear on that Jubilee you versus 20 opponent show
137:46 opponent show >> on either side? Just wish Dave Fina
137:49 >> on either side? Just wish Dave Fina covered Dr. Mike versus Antivaxers. I
137:51 covered Dr. Mike versus Antivaxers. I love this little jumping spider as your
137:53 love this little jumping spider as your PFP. Very cute. I don't know. Force,
137:55 PFP. Very cute. I don't know. Force, would you go on Jubilee? I think I would
137:57 would you go on Jubilee? I think I would I think I would rather pull a hangail
137:59 I think I would rather pull a hangail off of every single one of my fingers
138:00 off of every single one of my fingers and soak them in lemon juice then give
138:02 and soak them in lemon juice then give Jubilee at the time of day. But maybe
138:04 Jubilee at the time of day. But maybe you're different.
138:05 you're different. >> Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, the the premise
138:07 >> Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, the the premise sounds like so much [ __ ] fun. Me
138:09 sounds like so much [ __ ] fun. Me surrounded by Tony like Tony
138:10 surrounded by Tony like Tony Creationist. That sounds like a a blast.
138:12 Creationist. That sounds like a a blast. I would love to do it. I would not work
138:14 I would love to do it. I would not work with Jubilee, though, because they have
138:16 with Jubilee, though, because they have platformed literal [ __ ] white
138:18 platformed literal [ __ ] white supremacists and Nazis. It's the exact
138:19 supremacists and Nazis. It's the exact same. We were talking about modern day
138:21 same. We were talking about modern day debates before you came in and Rob was
138:22 debates before you came in and Rob was asking why don't why aren't you brave
138:24 asking why don't why aren't you brave enough to go on modern day debates. I'm
138:25 enough to go on modern day debates. I'm like the last time I even cared to look
138:27 like the last time I even cared to look at them was when Matt Dillah Hunty
138:29 at them was when Matt Dillah Hunty walked out of his thing cuz they brought
138:30 walked out of his thing cuz they brought on a guy who calls himself big papa
138:33 on a guy who calls himself big papa fascist supposed to debate about uh
138:35 fascist supposed to debate about uh about theism and end up going on a
138:37 about theism and end up going on a 20-minute tirade about trans people and
138:40 20-minute tirade about trans people and they just let him do it. So no, I'm not
138:41 they just let him do it. So no, I'm not going to work with modern day debates.
138:43 going to work with modern day debates. Same thing with Jubilee. If you're going
138:44 Same thing with Jubilee. If you're going to bring on people who don't deserve to
138:46 to bring on people who don't deserve to be platformed, I'm not going to do it.
138:49 be platformed, I'm not going to do it. my last modern-day debate and and I I
138:51 my last modern-day debate and and I I used to know James. So, like this is
138:53 used to know James. So, like this is this was a sad this was a sad deal cuz
138:55 this was a sad this was a sad deal cuz James is you know he he he was a nice
138:56 James is you know he he he was a nice guy for a long time and I actually got
138:58 guy for a long time and I actually got my start on the debate circuit if you
139:01 my start on the debate circuit if you will here on YouTube doing modern-day
139:03 will here on YouTube doing modern-day debate on you know whoever I debated
139:05 debate on you know whoever I debated every creationist under the sun on that
139:06 every creationist under the sun on that show. But um the timing was quite good.
139:08 show. But um the timing was quite good. That's actually where I debated Ken
139:09 That's actually where I debated Ken Hovind. But the the problem is is they
139:12 Hovind. But the the problem is is they have debates like should child brides be
139:14 have debates like should child brides be legal like it and and it's just like I'm
139:17 legal like it and and it's just like I'm not willing to go on a show that's
139:18 not willing to go on a show that's that's having that kind of discussion.
139:20 that's having that kind of discussion. There there are truly some things that I
139:23 There there are truly some things that I think we as a society can agree don't
139:25 think we as a society can agree don't need to be debated and don't deserve um
139:28 need to be debated and don't deserve um oxygen to debate and that's that that's
139:31 oxygen to debate and that's that that's going to be one of those one of those
139:32 going to be one of those one of those modern day debate needs to
139:33 modern day debate needs to >> that is shape up a little on that.
139:36 >> that is shape up a little on that. >> That's the big thing. Yeah, I agree. And
139:38 >> That's the big thing. Yeah, I agree. And that that's the big thing is like you
139:39 that that's the big thing is like you talk about like oh the free market of
139:41 talk about like oh the free market of ideas and the free we should just allow
139:43 ideas and the free we should just allow these things to come out. No, if you can
139:45 these things to come out. No, if you can have a free market where you're selling
139:47 have a free market where you're selling this person has apples and this person
139:49 this person has apples and this person is selling shares and this person over
139:50 is selling shares and this person over here is selling candles and then you
139:52 here is selling candles and then you have somebody who brings meth
139:54 have somebody who brings meth >> and it's like you don't really need this
139:56 >> and it's like you don't really need this in your free market. You know the the
139:59 in your free market. You know the the market overall is worse because this is
140:02 market overall is worse because this is here so we can just agree we're not
140:04 here so we can just agree we're not going to allow say I'm not going if
140:05 going to allow say I'm not going if someone calls in and calls himself a
140:07 someone calls in and calls himself a [ __ ] Nazi.
140:08 [ __ ] Nazi. >> I'm not going to entertain you. you are
140:10 >> I'm not going to entertain you. you are too stupid to have a conversation with
140:12 too stupid to have a conversation with and my audience will be stupider if I
140:14 and my audience will be stupider if I have the conversation with you. I'm not
140:16 have the conversation with you. I'm not going to have the conversation. And so
140:17 going to have the conversation. And so like Rob calling in being a transphobic
140:19 like Rob calling in being a transphobic and saying a bunch of shitty things,
140:21 and saying a bunch of shitty things, >> I'm going to let him do it because he
140:23 >> I'm going to let him do it because he can we can get to a point where we're
140:24 can we can get to a point where we're learning something. We learn that the
140:26 learning something. We learn that the statistics make no sense. We learn that
140:28 statistics make no sense. We learn that there are statistics that counter what
140:29 there are statistics that counter what he's saying. We learned that his
140:30 he's saying. We learned that his arguments [ __ ] suck. And then we can
140:31 arguments [ __ ] suck. And then we can move on because he's outlived his
140:33 move on because he's outlived his usefulness. There is no usefulness
140:34 usefulness. There is no usefulness that's going to come from somebody who's
140:36 that's going to come from somebody who's arguing about whether or not child bride
140:38 arguing about whether or not child bride should be a thing. No, [ __ ] Go
140:40 should be a thing. No, [ __ ] Go away. Like, what is that?
140:41 away. Like, what is that? >> There's I totally agree. And there's
140:43 >> There's I totally agree. And there's also a difference, I think, between
140:46 also a difference, I think, between people are organically having a
140:47 people are organically having a conversation versus a a platform exists
140:50 conversation versus a a platform exists that h that spent the majority of its
140:52 that h that spent the majority of its time online initially garnering a
140:54 time online initially garnering a reputation for good discussions and then
140:56 reputation for good discussions and then that platform turns around and starts
140:59 that platform turns around and starts having discussions about things like
141:01 having discussions about things like child brides, right? It's like some some
141:04 child brides, right? It's like some some stuff isn't on the table. I'm really
141:06 stuff isn't on the table. I'm really sorry. Right? And I don't know what
141:07 sorry. Right? And I don't know what James was thinking with that. Like I I
141:10 James was thinking with that. Like I I had half the mind to be like, "Brother,
141:11 had half the mind to be like, "Brother, what what's going on? Who spiked the tea
141:14 what what's going on? Who spiked the tea this morning?" Like I I don't know.
141:16 this morning?" Like I I don't know. Usually hitting the crackpipe, I guess.
141:18 Usually hitting the crackpipe, I guess. Um $10 for Oh, wait. This is you. You're
141:20 Um $10 for Oh, wait. This is you. You're reading this.
141:22 reading this. >> $10 from the negative commentator. Uh
141:26 >> $10 from the negative commentator. Uh high schools in America aren't safe for
141:28 high schools in America aren't safe for LGBTQ plus students. Colleges aren't
141:30 LGBTQ plus students. Colleges aren't safe. Excuse me. The real [ __ ] world
141:32 safe. Excuse me. The real [ __ ] world isn't safe. People like Rob wonder why
141:34 isn't safe. People like Rob wonder why we need safe spaces. People like you
141:37 we need safe spaces. People like you terrify us every day. That really was
141:39 terrify us every day. That really was the meat of the call. It's like, I want
141:41 the meat of the call. It's like, I want to protect women so much that I'm
141:42 to protect women so much that I'm willing to harm other people to get
141:44 willing to harm other people to get there. And it's like, you're not
141:45 there. And it's like, you're not protecting women. Even even if what you
141:48 protecting women. Even even if what you said made half a bit of sense, you're
141:50 said made half a bit of sense, you're not achieving your goal. But even still,
141:53 not achieving your goal. But even still, why the [ __ ] is it that like, you know,
141:55 why the [ __ ] is it that like, you know, I there's a statistical, you know,
141:58 I there's a statistical, you know, significance here that these people
141:59 significance here that these people might be bad, so we're going to treat
142:01 might be bad, so we're going to treat all of them badly. The same argument
142:04 all of them badly. The same argument that racists make. the same argument
142:06 that racists make. the same argument that homophobes make. And now that's
142:09 that homophobes make. And now that's going to make everybody's life worse.
142:11 going to make everybody's life worse. But hey, I I I may not have to see a
142:14 But hey, I I I may not have to see a trans person nearby unless they come
142:16 trans person nearby unless they come into my bathroom now because I want them
142:18 into my bathroom now because I want them in there for whatever reason.
142:20 in there for whatever reason. >> [ __ ]
142:20 >> [ __ ] >> we're talking about we're talking about
142:22 >> we're talking about we're talking about a group of people who couldn't handle
142:24 a group of people who couldn't handle conversations about like rape culture,
142:26 conversations about like rape culture, right? Like that was a that was a step
142:27 right? Like that was a that was a step too far when we when people were like,
142:29 too far when we when people were like, "Hey, you know, maybe maybe we shouldn't
142:31 "Hey, you know, maybe maybe we shouldn't be normalizing the kind of stuff that
142:32 be normalizing the kind of stuff that that was showing up in the movie 16
142:34 that was showing up in the movie 16 Candles or Revenge of the Nerds, right?
142:36 Candles or Revenge of the Nerds, right? Like that that sort of normalizes what
142:38 Like that that sort of normalizes what is effectively, you know, non-consensual
142:41 is effectively, you know, non-consensual behavior." And like the kind of people
142:43 behavior." And like the kind of people that are saying the [ __ ] that Rob is
142:45 that are saying the [ __ ] that Rob is saying now were the same people who were
142:46 saying now were the same people who were like, "That's actually infringing on
142:48 like, "That's actually infringing on men's rights and that's too far and
142:49 men's rights and that's too far and that's too woke and that's too PC and
142:52 that's too woke and that's too PC and blah blah blah blah blah." And then now
142:53 blah blah blah blah blah." And then now these same people are wanting to have a
142:55 these same people are wanting to have a conversation about protecting women with
142:56 conversation about protecting women with regard to to to trans people I guess.
142:59 regard to to to trans people I guess. And it's like well I mean to me it's the
143:01 And it's like well I mean to me it's the same thing where it's like these are the
143:02 same thing where it's like these are the same people who suddenly care about
143:04 same people who suddenly care about women's sports. You were making fun of
143:06 women's sports. You were making fun of women's sports two years ago.
143:09 women's sports two years ago. >> This is not about women, right? Like I I
143:11 >> This is not about women, right? Like I I at least I don't think so. That's not my
143:14 at least I don't think so. That's not my opinion. So um
143:16 opinion. So um >> you know it's whatever it's not it never
143:17 >> you know it's whatever it's not it never has been. It always it always is just
143:19 has been. It always it always is just about hey. And what's funny to me is
143:20 about hey. And what's funny to me is like this the inconsistency of like if
143:23 like this the inconsistency of like if if you have a trans woman, they're going
143:25 if you have a trans woman, they're going to shout at this person, you'll always
143:27 to shout at this person, you'll always be a man. You'll never be a real woman.
143:28 be a man. You'll never be a real woman. But then if you have like a fem, then
143:30 But then if you have like a fem, then it's like you're not a real man. You
143:32 it's like you're not a real man. You know what I mean? What the [ __ ] is this?
143:34 know what I mean? What the [ __ ] is this? >> Yeah. It, you know, it it's it's sort of
143:38 >> Yeah. It, you know, it it's it's sort of like a shortinger style argument or or
143:40 like a shortinger style argument or or it's reminds me of biblical kinds,
143:41 it's reminds me of biblical kinds, right? Where it's like what's a biblical
143:42 right? Where it's like what's a biblical kind? Whatever we needed to be in that
143:44 kind? Whatever we needed to be in that moment. Like what is a woman, whatever
143:45 moment. Like what is a woman, whatever we need it to be right now. What is a
143:47 we need it to be right now. What is a man? Whatever we need to be right now.
143:49 man? Whatever we need to be right now. We got Oh, adorable little PFP here. We
143:51 We got Oh, adorable little PFP here. We got $543
143:55 got $543 Canadian dollars. Reading that carefully
143:56 Canadian dollars. Reading that carefully this time from sneaky boopfaced Tori.
143:58 this time from sneaky boopfaced Tori. All hail the universe belching unicorns.
144:00 All hail the universe belching unicorns. What are y'all's favorite swords? And
144:03 What are y'all's favorite swords? And then they really don't want to be
144:04 then they really don't want to be katanas. Also feelings on fan art. What
144:07 katanas. Also feelings on fan art. What is my favorite kind of sword? Um like I
144:10 is my favorite kind of sword? Um like I think aesthetically I really like a
144:11 think aesthetically I really like a scimitar. I think scimitars look really
144:13 scimitar. I think scimitars look really cool. I love their their weird curvy
144:16 cool. I love their their weird curvy shape. But um as far as fan art, I love
144:20 shape. But um as far as fan art, I love it. I think it's cool. People send me
144:21 it. I think it's cool. People send me fan art fan art sometimes. Usually it's
144:23 fan art fan art sometimes. Usually it's my little gibbon and I love to see it.
144:25 my little gibbon and I love to see it. It makes me grin ear to ear. Makes me
144:27 It makes me grin ear to ear. Makes me super happy. So if you like to make fan
144:30 super happy. So if you like to make fan art of my little gibbon, make it and
144:32 art of my little gibbon, make it and send it to me.
144:34 send it to me. >> I got to say, I [ __ ] love like a a
144:37 >> I got to say, I [ __ ] love like a a classic long sword. You know what I
144:39 classic long sword. You know what I mean? I I love the aesthetic of it.
144:41 mean? I I love the aesthetic of it. They're beautiful. I love playing with
144:42 They're beautiful. I love playing with them and using them. Um, also like
144:44 them and using them. Um, also like rapeers are really really nice. I just
144:46 rapeers are really really nice. I just think they're really fun. Um, that said,
144:49 think they're really fun. Um, that said, if I had to pick one, like those are the
144:51 if I had to pick one, like those are the favorites of mine to to play with and to
144:53 favorites of mine to to play with and to use and to enjoy. But like in terms of
144:55 use and to enjoy. But like in terms of just cool [ __ ] can't be beat the copes,
144:57 just cool [ __ ] can't be beat the copes, y'all. Copesh is so [ __ ] neat. The
145:01 y'all. Copesh is so [ __ ] neat. The the sickle sword from Egypt. You know
145:02 the sickle sword from Egypt. You know what I'm talking about?
145:04 what I'm talking about? >> So cool.
145:04 >> So cool. >> I'm looking it up.
145:06 >> I'm looking it up. >> K H O P E S H. K H O P E S H.
145:11 >> K H O P E S H. K H O P E S H. >> Yeah, those are really cool. Yeah, so
145:12 >> Yeah, those are really cool. Yeah, so this is scratching the same simar itch.
145:14 this is scratching the same simar itch. I love the curvy the curviness of it. Um
145:17 I love the curvy the curviness of it. Um I think that's cool.
145:18 I think that's cool. >> Yeah, but by the way, to the person in
145:21 >> Yeah, but by the way, to the person in chat who said, "Any opinion on the
145:22 chat who said, "Any opinion on the recent mass shooters who were trans, um
145:26 recent mass shooters who were trans, um if you've got one or two mass shooters
145:28 if you've got one or two mass shooters who are trans, I encourage you and you
145:30 who are trans, I encourage you and you and you think that that is a trend that
145:32 and you think that that is a trend that you need to take seriously like, oh my
145:33 you need to take seriously like, oh my god, what's going on with trans people?"
145:34 god, what's going on with trans people?" I encourage you to consider all the
145:37 I encourage you to consider all the [ __ ] rest of them that are cisgender
145:40 [ __ ] rest of them that are cisgender heterosexual white males. All of the
145:43 heterosexual white males. All of the hundreds you've got what what's the
145:46 hundreds you've got what what's the maximum would be like maybe four. There
145:48 maximum would be like maybe four. There was that one study that came out that
145:49 was that one study that came out that was like more than half of them. And
145:51 was like more than half of them. And they didn't mention the fact that what
145:52 they didn't mention the fact that what they did was just rule out most of them
145:56 they did was just rule out most of them and pick a handful of less than 10 mass
145:59 and pick a handful of less than 10 mass shootings and only included all of the
146:02 shootings and only included all of the ones were trans people were involved and
146:04 ones were trans people were involved and then like three more that were really
146:06 then like three more that were really really big and then they said more than
146:09 really big and then they said more than half of them are trans. Yeah. No
146:10 half of them are trans. Yeah. No [ __ ] Uh less than 1% of mass
146:14 [ __ ] Uh less than 1% of mass shootings just like how I think it's
146:15 shootings just like how I think it's less than 1% of the population is trans
146:18 less than 1% of the population is trans people. Meanwhile, we have literally
146:20 people. Meanwhile, we have literally hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and
146:22 hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of mass shootings by cishat
146:25 hundreds of mass shootings by cishat white men. And a lot of them are [ __ ]
146:27 white men. And a lot of them are [ __ ] Republican, too. So, like if you if you
146:30 Republican, too. So, like if you if you looking for trends, just saying if
146:32 looking for trends, just saying if you're looking for statistics, take
146:33 you're looking for statistics, take those into account.
146:34 those into account. >> Hold on. So, I just looked it up because
146:36 >> Hold on. So, I just looked it up because I was really curious. Um I looked up
146:39 I was really curious. Um I looked up what percent of mass shooters are are
146:41 what percent of mass shooters are are women, right? Like are cis women. And
146:43 women, right? Like are cis women. And it's like 4%. That was the first thing
146:45 it's like 4%. That was the first thing that came up. I don't know if that's
146:46 that came up. I don't know if that's correct. This is a cursory Google
146:48 correct. This is a cursory Google search, but like if we want to pretend
146:49 search, but like if we want to pretend like there's this rash epidemic of of
146:51 like there's this rash epidemic of of trans shooters, then we got to keep an
146:53 trans shooters, then we got to keep an eye on those cis women, too. Cuz boy oh
146:55 eye on those cis women, too. Cuz boy oh boy, they're they're really take they're
146:56 boy, they're they're really take they're starting to take over that that one and
146:58 starting to take over that that one and 4% respectively. They're really giving
147:00 4% respectively. They're really giving dudes a run for their money, aren't
147:02 dudes a run for their money, aren't they? Come on. Please.
147:03 they? Come on. Please. >> We love love to see women in men's
147:06 >> We love love to see women in men's sports. Uh that but I'm just saying like
147:08 sports. Uh that but I'm just saying like that's that's
147:09 that's that's >> if we're not
147:11 >> if we're not >> Yeah, exactly.
147:12 >> Yeah, exactly. >> Smash the patriarchy. girls, go do some
147:15 >> Smash the patriarchy. girls, go do some more mass shootings. Prove you can. All
147:17 more mass shootings. Prove you can. All right. Uh but like it's in terms
147:27 >> if you want like some some serious statistics. Like the men are your
147:28 statistics. Like the men are your concern. The white cisgender men are
147:30 concern. The white cisgender men are your concern. And then apparently just
147:32 your concern. And then apparently just women are your next concern. Trans
147:34 women are your next concern. Trans people are so far down on the ladder,
147:35 people are so far down on the ladder, dude.
147:36 dude. >> Yeah.
147:37 >> Yeah. >> Uh
147:38 >> Uh >> it's it's weird how that works.
147:39 >> it's it's weird how that works. >> 54.
147:41 >> 54. It's already one54 Canadian bucks.
147:43 It's already one54 Canadian bucks. >> Did you guys see the the Discord where I
147:47 >> Did you guys see the the Discord where I think we have to switch this to $10 and
147:49 think we have to switch this to $10 and up or we are never going to get through
147:52 up or we are never going to get through super chats to another call and people
147:54 super chats to another call and people keep coming in like the show's over
147:55 keep coming in like the show's over already and I'm like no it's not
147:59 already and I'm like no it's not >> classic [ __ ]
148:00 >> classic [ __ ] >> Um
148:01 >> Um >> okay
148:02 >> okay >> okay whatever. I mean I don't care. It's
148:04 >> okay whatever. I mean I don't care. It's you know do do what we need to do. No
148:06 you know do do what we need to do. No the show is not over. me. We have to do
148:08 the show is not over. me. We have to do this. Um, we have to read the super
148:10 this. Um, we have to read the super chats because everything00
148:13 chats because everything00 >> Can we read everything we've gotten so
148:15 >> Can we read everything we've gotten so far?
148:15 far? >> Full pages. You guys want to pick it up
148:18 >> Full pages. You guys want to pick it up a little bit? Like you guys go so slow.
148:21 a little bit? Like you guys go so slow. >> We're fine.
148:23 >> We're fine. >> Let's pick it up a little bit for us.
148:24 >> Let's pick it up a little bit for us. Okay. Okay. And then from now Oh [ __ ]
148:27 Okay. Okay. And then from now Oh [ __ ] Please
148:28 Please >> spare me. Spare me your complaints,
148:31 >> spare me. Spare me your complaints, Forest. You You talked about geese for
148:33 Forest. You You talked about geese for two minutes. All I want I was all I
148:35 two minutes. All I want I was all I wanted to do is talk about geese and
148:37 wanted to do is talk about geese and you're over here talking about how great
148:39 you're over here talking about how great women are at shooting people. I'm sorry.
148:40 women are at shooting people. I'm sorry. Like different priorities.
148:43 Like different priorities. >> Issue I guess. Whatever. Read. Read
148:46 >> Issue I guess. Whatever. Read. Read this. Read this. Come on.
148:48 this. Read this. Come on. >> 10 pounds from Juan Mitchell. Uh I'm a
148:52 >> 10 pounds from Juan Mitchell. Uh I'm a British disabled person. Disable
148:54 British disabled person. Disable disability is selfidentified and is in a
148:55 disability is selfidentified and is in a neat box. Um Rob is a liar. Women's
148:58 neat box. Um Rob is a liar. Women's Space UK are always outnumbered by trans
149:01 Space UK are always outnumbered by trans rights activists, including my
149:02 rights activists, including my 60-year-old mom. Piss off. Yeah, I I
149:05 60-year-old mom. Piss off. Yeah, I I like the idea of saying disability is
149:06 like the idea of saying disability is self-identified to say I can tell you if
149:08 self-identified to say I can tell you if I'm disabled. What I mean to say about
149:09 I'm disabled. What I mean to say about that is like no one's out here like I
149:11 that is like no one's out here like I want to be a disabled today. You know,
149:14 want to be a disabled today. You know, that's not a thing. The way Rob was
149:15 that's not a thing. The way Rob was making it out to be.
149:18 making it out to be. >> It's like talking about the Rachel Dozel
149:19 >> It's like talking about the Rachel Dozel stuff. We got $10 with an adorable
149:22 stuff. We got $10 with an adorable puppy. Wow. From Arcane Goat
149:27 puppy. Wow. From Arcane Goat puppy.
149:28 puppy. me sending a message to myself 30 years
149:30 me sending a message to myself 30 years ago. One of the biggest political issues
149:32 ago. One of the biggest political issues today is a debate uh over who can poop
149:34 today is a debate uh over who can poop in public facilities. Still no flying
149:36 in public facilities. Still no flying cars. Yeah. Yeah. We thought the future
149:38 cars. Yeah. Yeah. We thought the future would be cooler than this.
149:41 would be cooler than this. >> AI AI is stealing our job and we're
149:43 >> AI AI is stealing our job and we're having this debate.
149:46 having this debate. >> The future ain't what it used to be,
149:47 >> The future ain't what it used to be, y'all. Uh $10 from Benny Blaze. Uh since
149:50 y'all. Uh $10 from Benny Blaze. Uh since most sexual assault is done in the home,
149:53 most sexual assault is done in the home, why should we put men, women, and trans
149:55 why should we put men, women, and trans bathrooms in our house? Uh, whose job is
149:58 bathrooms in our house? Uh, whose job is it going to be to verify a person uh for
150:00 it going to be to verify a person uh for catcher mitt or baseball bat? I don't
150:04 catcher mitt or baseball bat? I don't know what the second part is, but I
150:05 know what the second part is, but I [ __ ] Yeah, dude. That dude's going to
150:07 [ __ ] Yeah, dude. That dude's going to lose his mind when he figures out that
150:09 lose his mind when he figures out that all of his bathrooms at home are are
150:11 all of his bathrooms at home are are gender inclusive.
150:13 gender inclusive. >> It's just it's goofy top to bottom. We
150:16 >> It's just it's goofy top to bottom. We got five, sorry, 50 Canadian dollars
150:20 got five, sorry, 50 Canadian dollars from Isa Ersus. Wow. Snuggling. I love
150:24 from Isa Ersus. Wow. Snuggling. I love seeing this profile picture. Every penny
150:26 seeing this profile picture. Every penny donated was worth it for the stream.
150:28 donated was worth it for the stream. Erica is brilliant and Forest is
150:30 Erica is brilliant and Forest is incredibly patient. Usually those
150:31 incredibly patient. Usually those compliments are reversed. Usually I'm
150:32 compliments are reversed. Usually I'm the patient one and Forest can be the
150:34 the patient one and Forest can be the brilliant one, but I'll take it.
150:36 brilliant one, but I'll take it. >> No. No. You put us next to each other.
150:39 >> No. No. You put us next to each other. It's it's it's no contest. Uh 999 from
150:43 It's it's it's no contest. Uh 999 from Starfire. Uh when you remember that
150:46 Starfire. Uh when you remember that anytime a rape used to be reported, it
150:48 anytime a rape used to be reported, it was seen that the person with a penis
150:50 was seen that the person with a penis was always at fault. How many trans
150:52 was always at fault. How many trans women were convicted who were actually
150:54 women were convicted who were actually victims? That's what I'm talking about
150:55 victims? That's what I'm talking about with sampling bias here is that like
150:56 with sampling bias here is that like black men in the United States are far
151:00 black men in the United States are far more likely to be arrested and charged
151:02 more likely to be arrested and charged with violent crime. Guess what? They are
151:05 with violent crime. Guess what? They are also far more likely to be exonerated of
151:08 also far more likely to be exonerated of violent crime because racist [ __ ]
151:10 violent crime because racist [ __ ] prejudge them and arrest them for no
151:12 prejudge them and arrest them for no reason more than any other racial group
151:14 reason more than any other racial group in this way. And so the same racists
151:17 in this way. And so the same racists come out and say, "Look, the all these
151:20 come out and say, "Look, the all these arrests for violent crime, when we look
151:22 arrests for violent crime, when we look at the prison population, so many of
151:24 at the prison population, so many of them are in there for violent crime, all
151:25 them are in there for violent crime, all this stuff. And they're not taking into
151:27 this stuff. And they're not taking into account the way these people are looked
151:28 account the way these people are looked at in society, the way that they're
151:30 at in society, the way that they're charged, the way that they're arrested,
151:31 charged, the way that they're arrested, the way that they're sentenced so
151:33 the way that they're sentenced so disproportionately to what any white
151:35 disproportionately to what any white person would do. The actual crime
151:37 person would do. The actual crime statistics from the FBI show that there
151:39 statistics from the FBI show that there is not a racial bias or disparity of
151:42 is not a racial bias or disparity of who's committing crimes of what caliber
151:44 who's committing crimes of what caliber and what kind at what time or whatever
151:45 and what kind at what time or whatever like that. But the way that we sentence
151:47 like that. But the way that we sentence and punish them has a massive disparity.
151:51 and punish them has a massive disparity. Same thing here. We look at, oh, there's
151:52 Same thing here. We look at, oh, there's these trans people in jail. What do you
151:55 these trans people in jail. What do you think might make it more likely that
151:57 think might make it more likely that they would be charged with sexual crime
151:59 they would be charged with sexual crime or crimes of a sexual nature or any of
152:02 or crimes of a sexual nature or any of this other [ __ ] Maybe it has to do with
152:04 this other [ __ ] Maybe it has to do with the massive [ __ ] stigma from people
152:06 the massive [ __ ] stigma from people like Rob perpetuating these dumbass
152:08 like Rob perpetuating these dumbass talking points. Maybe it's the same
152:10 talking points. Maybe it's the same thing as the homophobic arguments that
152:12 thing as the homophobic arguments that I've dealt with my entire [ __ ] life
152:14 I've dealt with my entire [ __ ] life about how there's oh you're either boys
152:16 about how there's oh you're either boys like girls and everything else is a
152:18 like girls and everything else is a mental illness and everything else is
152:19 mental illness and everything else is diseased and oh they're pushing it on
152:21 diseased and oh they're pushing it on children and they're trying to get into
152:22 children and they're trying to get into schools and all these woke universities
152:24 schools and all these woke universities and the same exact [ __ ] [ __ ] just
152:27 and the same exact [ __ ] [ __ ] just recalibrated now for trans people. It's
152:30 recalibrated now for trans people. It's so [ __ ] dumb.
152:33 so [ __ ] dumb. Well, I I I mean, you know, they think
152:35 Well, I I I mean, you know, they think you're stupid. That's the thing. Like
152:36 you're stupid. That's the thing. Like the the people who are who are sort of
152:39 the the people who are who are sort of hitting like sort of flaring up this
152:40 hitting like sort of flaring up this type of argument, they think you're
152:42 type of argument, they think you're dumb. They think that by keeping you
152:44 dumb. They think that by keeping you focused on identity politics uh and
152:46 focused on identity politics uh and hating on on a minority group that
152:48 hating on on a minority group that existed for cure, well, has existed for
152:51 existed for cure, well, has existed for thousands of years, millions of years,
152:52 thousands of years, millions of years, but in the United States has existed
152:55 but in the United States has existed with zero problems for decades and
152:56 with zero problems for decades and decades and decades, and now all of a
152:58 decades and decades, and now all of a sudden we're fearongering,
152:59 sudden we're fearongering, scaremongering about this. It's like, do
153:01 scaremongering about this. It's like, do don't you think that's a little weird?
153:03 don't you think that's a little weird? And maybe that that's because they want
153:04 And maybe that that's because they want to distract you from talking about, I
153:06 to distract you from talking about, I don't know, the massive wealth disparity
153:08 don't know, the massive wealth disparity that's been seized this country over the
153:11 that's been seized this country over the past several decades. But whatever, it's
153:12 past several decades. But whatever, it's fine. $10 from
153:15 fine. $10 from everybody's insurance is about to go up
153:16 everybody's insurance is about to go up 20,000 [ __ ] dollars a year. Yeah.
153:19 20,000 [ __ ] dollars a year. Yeah. >> Woohoo. Woohoo. Can't wait. Can't wait.
153:22 >> Woohoo. Woohoo. Can't wait. Can't wait. Um, love this PFP. Adorable cat, Erica.
153:25 Um, love this PFP. Adorable cat, Erica. Okay. Take my money, you amazing humans.
153:26 Okay. Take my money, you amazing humans. Erica, for Lux, I don't know how you
153:28 Erica, for Lux, I don't know how you managed to find the patience, but I'm so
153:30 managed to find the patience, but I'm so sorry. and also grateful at the same
153:31 sorry. and also grateful at the same time. Y'all are the greatest. Thank you,
153:32 time. Y'all are the greatest. Thank you, Candace. That is very kind. Um, you
153:34 Candace. That is very kind. Um, you know, we do our best, but we get
153:36 know, we do our best, but we get frustrated, too. It is what it is.
153:40 frustrated, too. It is what it is. >> I was actually, if Luxander hadn't
153:42 >> I was actually, if Luxander hadn't chimed in, I was going to make the joke
153:43 chimed in, I was going to make the joke that I always do. I was like, you know,
153:44 that I always do. I was like, you know, it's the good thing about this
153:45 it's the good thing about this conversation is there were no trans
153:47 conversation is there were no trans people here to discuss. It was all sis
153:49 people here to discuss. It was all sis people. That's what really makes it
153:50 people. That's what really makes it work. It's the same thing with abortion.
153:52 work. It's the same thing with abortion. Every time we talk about abortion, I'm
153:53 Every time we talk about abortion, I'm like, I'm glad there were no women here
153:54 like, I'm glad there were no women here to discuss this. $10 from Shay 7373. If
153:59 to discuss this. $10 from Shay 7373. If I learned anything from Rob is that my
154:01 I learned anything from Rob is that my MBA qualifies me to do brain surgery.
154:04 MBA qualifies me to do brain surgery. >> Yeah, there you go.
154:07 >> Yeah, there you go. An architect said trans people aren't
154:09 An architect said trans people aren't real and sex is binary.
154:10 real and sex is binary. >> Now you know it's true.
154:12 >> Now you know it's true. >> That's that gets me so much. People send
154:14 >> That's that gets me so much. People send me the Paradox Institute all the [ __ ]
154:16 me the Paradox Institute all the [ __ ] time and it's like you can at least be
154:18 time and it's like you can at least be serious about it. You can at least send
154:20 serious about it. You can at least send me Dawkins or Coin like that actually
154:23 me Dawkins or Coin like that actually have a reason to say what they're saying
154:24 have a reason to say what they're saying and it sucks. We can argue like
154:27 and it sucks. We can argue like >> this is like it's like arguing for
154:29 >> this is like it's like arguing for creationism and you're like check out
154:30 creationism and you're like check out this Kentobin video. It's like you
154:32 this Kentobin video. It's like you couldn't even send me something from
154:33 couldn't even send me something from store. You couldn't even send me
154:34 store. You couldn't even send me something from from
154:36 something from from >> be bothered to come up with somebody who
154:37 >> be bothered to come up with somebody who got
154:39 got >> Come on, please. $10 from Mr.
154:44 >> Come on, please. $10 from Mr. >> That dude the the Zack Elliot from the
154:46 >> That dude the the Zack Elliot from the Paradox Institute. Uh, not only is he an
154:49 Paradox Institute. Uh, not only is he an architect who calls himself a sex and
154:52 architect who calls himself a sex and gender researcher, by the way, uh, he
154:54 gender researcher, by the way, uh, he also a little while ago, somebody
154:56 also a little while ago, somebody commented on on one of my things talking
154:58 commented on on one of my things talking about how I should debate him and
154:59 about how I should debate him and whatever like that. And I just I took a
155:01 whatever like that. And I just I took a glance at his Twitter and at the time he
155:03 glance at his Twitter and at the time he was claiming that Dylan Mulaney isn't
155:06 was claiming that Dylan Mulaney isn't actually really trans, but is in fact a
155:08 actually really trans, but is in fact a paid actor being paid to try to get us
155:11 paid actor being paid to try to get us all used to trans ideology, to try to
155:13 all used to trans ideology, to try to swing the culture wars. It's just it's
155:16 swing the culture wars. It's just it's just conspiracy theory. It's just
155:19 just conspiracy theory. It's just conspiracy theory every time. I'm sorry.
155:21 conspiracy theory every time. I'm sorry. Go ahead,
155:23 Go ahead, >> man. I Whatever. I got to I'm keeping us
155:25 >> man. I Whatever. I got to I'm keeping us on task. Um $10 from Mr. B with 10. Rob
155:28 on task. Um $10 from Mr. B with 10. Rob you vile, disgusting, callous,
155:29 you vile, disgusting, callous, cretinous, malevolent, uncaring,
155:31 cretinous, malevolent, uncaring, capricious, megalomaniacal, rubbish
155:33 capricious, megalomaniacal, rubbish brain, spineless, fermented, putrid bowl
155:35 brain, spineless, fermented, putrid bowl of pestilence. Learn to be better. True.
155:38 of pestilence. Learn to be better. True. >> Basically,
155:39 >> Basically, >> it was a rough call. It was a rough
155:40 >> it was a rough call. It was a rough call. I let him get away with so much
155:42 call. I let him get away with so much [ __ ] and he still couldn't pull together
155:44 [ __ ] and he still couldn't pull together someone coherent. Uh9.99
155:46 someone coherent. Uh9.99 from cinnamon roll. Uh a horse walks
155:49 from cinnamon roll. Uh a horse walks into a bar. The bartender says, "Why the
155:50 into a bar. The bartender says, "Why the long face? Are you depressed?" The horse
155:52 long face? Are you depressed?" The horse ponders for a second, scratches his
155:53 ponders for a second, scratches his chin, and says, "I don't think I am."
155:55 chin, and says, "I don't think I am." And promptly disappears.
155:58 And promptly disappears. There's a lot there. There's a lot
155:59 There's a lot there. There's a lot there. I don't think I am. Therefore,
156:00 there. I don't think I am. Therefore, you just I get it. It's It's good. Very
156:03 you just I get it. It's It's good. Very good.
156:05 good. >> 999 from Oh, wait. You already Wait, no,
156:07 >> 999 from Oh, wait. You already Wait, no, you knew you did. 99 from cinnamon roll.
156:08 you knew you did. 99 from cinnamon roll. You see, this is a joke about Renee
156:09 You see, this is a joke about Renee Deart's famous statement. I think,
156:11 Deart's famous statement. I think, therefore, I am. And I could have
156:12 therefore, I am. And I could have mentioned this at the start of the joke,
156:13 mentioned this at the start of the joke, but that would be putting Dart before
156:15 but that would be putting Dart before the horse. Um, I'm going to take this
156:16 the horse. Um, I'm going to take this opportunity to switch off my hotspot
156:18 opportunity to switch off my hotspot back to my regular Wi-Fi so that you
156:20 back to my regular Wi-Fi so that you don't hear me swearing because that is
156:22 don't hear me swearing because that is incredibly irritating as a joke. But
156:23 incredibly irritating as a joke. But it's fine. Whatever.
156:31 >> Uh 999 from Outwitted by Fish. Uh Erica, can you compare and contrast
156:33 can you compare and contrast olopiththesines and bonobos from a
156:35 olopiththesines and bonobos from a phenotypic basis? Well, Erica's no
156:38 phenotypic basis? Well, Erica's no longer here, so I'll do it because this
156:39 longer here, so I'll do it because this is not my area of expertise at all. Um,
156:42 is not my area of expertise at all. Um, oh, [ __ ] She came back. Oh, now I'll
156:44 oh, [ __ ] She came back. Oh, now I'll have to let her talk about the thing
156:45 have to let her talk about the thing that she's trained in rather than me
156:46 that she's trained in rather than me just rambling about whatever I wanted.
156:49 just rambling about whatever I wanted. >> 99.99 from Outwitted by Fish. Erica, can
156:51 >> 99.99 from Outwitted by Fish. Erica, can you compare contrasts and bonobos from a
156:54 you compare contrasts and bonobos from a phenotypic basis? Um, yeah, a lot of it
156:58 phenotypic basis? Um, yeah, a lot of it is going to boil down to locomotion. So,
157:00 is going to boil down to locomotion. So, bonobos don't have the bull-shaped
157:02 bonobos don't have the bull-shaped pelvis that humans have. Their ilia are
157:04 pelvis that humans have. Their ilia are side to side much like a chimpanzees
157:06 side to side much like a chimpanzees are. They have really tall isia and ilia
157:09 are. They have really tall isia and ilia alike. They don't have the vgus knee.
157:11 alike. They don't have the vgus knee. They don't have the inline big toe. They
157:12 They don't have the inline big toe. They don't have any arches in their feet.
157:13 don't have any arches in their feet. They don't have an S-shaped spine. They
157:16 They don't have an S-shaped spine. They do not have an anteriorly placed fam and
157:18 do not have an anteriorly placed fam and magnum. They have rather large brow
157:20 magnum. They have rather large brow ridges um especially the males compared
157:22 ridges um especially the males compared to but some oraliths can get bigish um
157:26 to but some oraliths can get bigish um fin magnums. The oralopythecus species
157:29 fin magnums. The oralopythecus species tend to have a larger more globular
157:32 tend to have a larger more globular brain case than what we see in bonobos.
157:34 brain case than what we see in bonobos. Bonobos are going to max out at about
157:35 Bonobos are going to max out at about 350 400. The largest oustralids can get
157:38 350 400. The largest oustralids can get up to 550. So we're looking a larger
157:40 up to 550. So we're looking a larger brain case size. They're about equally
157:42 brain case size. They're about equally as prognathic but where their prognathic
157:44 as prognathic but where their prognathic differs. So midface versus lowerface
157:47 differs. So midface versus lowerface prognathism or or subalvolar prognism if
157:50 prognathism or or subalvolar prognism if you will. Um the orbits are I believe a
157:52 you will. Um the orbits are I believe a little bit more close together in
157:54 little bit more close together in oustralopiths. Uh canines are way
157:56 oustralopiths. Uh canines are way smaller in ostral pits even accounting
157:58 smaller in ostral pits even accounting for um the the uh the body size. The
158:01 for um the the uh the body size. The canines are going to be smaller in
158:02 canines are going to be smaller in ostral pits. Ostrich pits also have
158:03 ostral pits. Ostrich pits also have larger molar slightly molarized preolars
158:06 larger molar slightly molarized preolars um and a more parabolic pallet as
158:09 um and a more parabolic pallet as compared to the ostrial or as compared
158:11 compared to the ostrial or as compared to bonobos. Um bonobos are also they
158:14 to bonobos. Um bonobos are also they have their um phenotypic adaptations
158:16 have their um phenotypic adaptations towards their mode of locomotion. They
158:18 towards their mode of locomotion. They have curved fingers more so than
158:19 have curved fingers more so than oelopits. Longer arms. They knuckle
158:22 oelopits. Longer arms. They knuckle walk. So, they're able to to lock their
158:24 walk. So, they're able to to lock their wrists when they do that. Um, yeah. So,
158:27 wrists when they do that. Um, yeah. So, they they share similarities, but by and
158:29 they they share similarities, but by and large, they're they're very different
158:30 large, they're they're very different animals.
158:32 animals. >> I would have simply just said one walked
158:35 >> I would have simply just said one walked upright and the other doesn't all the
158:37 upright and the other doesn't all the time. And also, you said bullshaped
158:39 time. And also, you said bullshaped pelvis, and I could have [ __ ] sworn,
158:42 pelvis, and I could have [ __ ] sworn, you said they don't have the same
158:43 you said they don't have the same [ __ ] pelvis. And I think it would
158:45 [ __ ] pelvis. And I think it would have been better if you did. Uh,
158:47 have been better if you did. Uh, >> well, it's true. Our is a little bit
158:49 >> well, it's true. Our is a little bit [ __ ]
158:51 [ __ ] $4.99. Uh, sorry. Sorry. $10 from 49.
158:55 $4.99. Uh, sorry. Sorry. $10 from 49. Perfect. Uh, yeah. I There's a lot of
158:58 Perfect. Uh, yeah. I There's a lot of numbers on the screen and I'm very
158:59 numbers on the screen and I'm very stupid. Here's $10 because Rob was a
159:01 stupid. Here's $10 because Rob was a lying bigot and I like that y'all put
159:03 lying bigot and I like that y'all put him in his place. Uh, hey Lux, we're
159:05 him in his place. Uh, hey Lux, we're we're going until the end of the super
159:07 we're going until the end of the super chats from that call, right? Cuz there's
159:08 chats from that call, right? Cuz there's still [ __ ] super chats. These people
159:10 still [ __ ] super chats. These people are insatiable. So like we're stopping
159:12 are insatiable. So like we're stopping at that and then doing the next.
159:14 at that and then doing the next. >> We're just doing $10 super chats now. So
159:16 >> We're just doing $10 super chats now. So I I'm like I I don't know. like we'll
159:19 I I'm like I I don't know. like we'll stop when you're ready to go back to
159:20 stop when you're ready to go back to calls, I guess.
159:22 calls, I guess. >> [ __ ] dude. Okay. Yeah, that sounds
159:24 >> [ __ ] dude. Okay. Yeah, that sounds great. We're going to talk to to
159:25 great. We're going to talk to to somebody talking about evolution next.
159:26 somebody talking about evolution next. I'm really excited about it. Um, let's
159:29 I'm really excited about it. Um, let's do a couple more.
159:30 do a couple more. >> Next. I was going to say the same call.
159:32 >> Next. I was going to say the same call. I've been waiting. I've been waiting for
159:34 I've been waiting. I've been waiting for this call. You don't even know. Um,
159:37 this call. You don't even know. Um, >> is this you or me? This me. 10 Canadian
159:39 >> is this you or me? This me. 10 Canadian dollars from Pure Reform 42. Updating my
159:41 dollars from Pure Reform 42. Updating my earlier comment. Rob was condescending
159:43 earlier comment. Rob was condescending at the start and then quickly went to
159:45 at the start and then quickly went to horrible. Um, yeah. I think what
159:47 horrible. Um, yeah. I think what happened with Rob is that he reached a
159:49 happened with Rob is that he reached a point where he was um very certain that
159:52 point where he was um very certain that he that his line of questioning was
159:53 he that his line of questioning was going to lead him where he wanted to go
159:55 going to lead him where he wanted to go and then when it didn't uh we got into
159:57 and then when it didn't uh we got into the circular stuff.
159:59 the circular stuff. >> Yeah. What I noticed is like I said I I
160:01 >> Yeah. What I noticed is like I said I I let him get away with a ton of stuff
160:03 let him get away with a ton of stuff like he kept he kept misgendering
160:04 like he kept he kept misgendering people. He kept saying that you know he
160:06 people. He kept saying that you know he said that you know non-binary people are
160:08 said that you know non-binary people are just confused. He brought up mental
160:09 just confused. He brought up mental illness and all this other [ __ ] I let
160:11 illness and all this other [ __ ] I let him get away with it because what I
160:12 him get away with it because what I think he was doing he was trying very
160:14 think he was doing he was trying very hard to get a reaction. And when we kept
160:17 hard to get a reaction. And when we kept addressing his points directly and
160:18 addressing his points directly and saying that's not true, here's actual
160:20 saying that's not true, here's actual evidence and here's the logical reason,
160:21 evidence and here's the logical reason, the scientific reason, all these
160:23 the scientific reason, all these different things why you're saying is
160:24 different things why you're saying is [ __ ] He then just evolved into
160:26 [ __ ] He then just evolved into trying like hell to get a reaction and
160:29 trying like hell to get a reaction and just saying anything he could say, any
160:31 just saying anything he could say, any shitty horrible thing to try to get us
160:33 shitty horrible thing to try to get us to just, you know, trigger the libs. Um,
160:35 to just, you know, trigger the libs. Um, it just sucked. $10 from Skeptic
160:38 it just sucked. $10 from Skeptic Observer. Remembering the old commercial
160:41 Observer. Remembering the old commercial with the two guys in Rolls-Royce cars?
160:43 with the two guys in Rolls-Royce cars? One car pulls up beside the other and
160:45 One car pulls up beside the other and the passenger asks, fancy English
160:46 the passenger asks, fancy English acting. Pardon me. Do you have any great
160:48 acting. Pardon me. Do you have any great poo puns?
160:50 poo puns? >> Are you talking about about grape?
160:54 >> Are you talking about about grape? >> I I'm going to be Anton sugar. You pull
160:56 >> I I'm going to be Anton sugar. You pull up and you do that and then I pull out
160:58 up and you do that and then I pull out my air compressor and put a bolt
161:00 my air compressor and put a bolt directly in between your eyes. If you do
161:02 directly in between your eyes. If you do that to me, I flip a coin. I give you
161:04 that to me, I flip a coin. I give you one chance. That's no country for old
161:06 one chance. That's no country for old men for for the uncultured swine in the
161:10 men for for the uncultured swine in the comment section. It's fine.
161:11 comment section. It's fine. from Jess Chappelle.
161:14 from Jess Chappelle. >> There's no cleaner wipe than the ne
161:16 >> There's no cleaner wipe than the ne There's no What is this? There is no
161:18 There's no What is this? There is no cleaner wipe than the neck of a
161:19 cleaner wipe than the neck of a well-owned goose.
161:22 well-owned goose. >> The softness of the feathers joined the
161:24 >> The softness of the feathers joined the heat of the neck makes a most
161:26 heat of the neck makes a most voluuptuous cleanser. Francois Rele,
161:29 voluuptuous cleanser. Francois Rele, Renaissance author, 1534. Cleaner wipe.
161:35 Renaissance author, 1534. Cleaner wipe. >> I think I think they're talking about
161:36 >> I think I think they're talking about rubbing a gooseeneck on your buns,
161:38 rubbing a gooseeneck on your buns, y'all. I think that's what that's all
161:40 y'all. I think that's what that's all about.
161:42 about. >> That's kind of what I was concerned
161:43 >> That's kind of what I was concerned about.
161:43 about. >> Wipe your ass on a goose neck.
161:45 >> Wipe your ass on a goose neck. >> Don't do that. You You'll get skewered
161:47 >> Don't do that. You You'll get skewered by a goose. Don't do that.
161:50 by a goose. Don't do that. >> I'm saying, man, you want to get gooseed
161:52 >> I'm saying, man, you want to get gooseed by a goose. That's the way to get in
161:53 by a goose. That's the way to get in there. Uh 10 ass dollars from Darren
161:55 there. Uh 10 ass dollars from Darren McCall of semitars make Erica grin from
161:58 McCall of semitars make Erica grin from ear to ear. Uh did she just make a pun?
162:02 ear to ear. Uh did she just make a pun? >> Never intentionally. If I make a pun,
162:04 >> Never intentionally. If I make a pun, it's not intentional. I need you guys to
162:06 it's not intentional. I need you guys to know that. It it'll happen from time to
162:09 know that. It it'll happen from time to time because that's how word play works,
162:10 time because that's how word play works, but never intentionally. $10 from Arcane
162:13 but never intentionally. $10 from Arcane Goat 2024. What did one eye say to the
162:15 Goat 2024. What did one eye say to the other? Just between you and me,
162:16 other? Just between you and me, something smells.
162:19 something smells. Oh, I get it. Cuz the nose is in between
162:20 Oh, I get it. Cuz the nose is in between the eyes. That's That's really
162:22 the eyes. That's That's really hilarious. Arcane Goat. That's That is
162:24 hilarious. Arcane Goat. That's That is so funny. I think of that as my bolt gun
162:29 so funny. I think of that as my bolt gun penetrates your frontal lobe. Cute cute
162:32 penetrates your frontal lobe. Cute cute little really cute puppy though. That
162:33 little really cute puppy though. That dog is really adorable.
162:36 dog is really adorable. Look at those dog [ __ ] $10 from Sean
162:41 Look at those dog [ __ ] $10 from Sean loves maths. Infinite surreal numbers
162:44 loves maths. Infinite surreal numbers can be prime. Also, please search
162:46 can be prime. Also, please search Isherwood final stretch of PhD to help
162:48 Isherwood final stretch of PhD to help me out. I'm investing in this super
162:50 me out. I'm investing in this super chat. Thanks. Dude's finally [ __ ]
162:52 chat. Thanks. Dude's finally [ __ ] finishing his PhD. He's been in here
162:54 finishing his PhD. He's been in here telling me every time I get math wrong
162:57 telling me every time I get math wrong for years and he's finishing his PG.
162:59 for years and he's finishing his PG. Good for you. Good for you.
163:01 Good for you. Good for you. Congratulations. So
163:02 Congratulations. So >> did you know Sean Ishaw taught me once
163:05 >> did you know Sean Ishaw taught me once ev every possible combination of numbers
163:07 ev every possible combination of numbers exists in pi. He taught me that once. He
163:09 exists in pi. He taught me that once. He said that he said he said that was true.
163:11 said that he said he said that was true. He said that was true and real and that
163:12 He said that was true and real and that nobody can contest that. That that's a
163:15 nobody can contest that. That that's a true thing that he said. True. Totally.
163:17 true thing that he said. True. Totally. >> I don't like math very much. I don't
163:19 >> I don't like math very much. I don't like that. That makes me uncomfortable.
163:26 $10 from a listen to win. Alfred Yanovic is also an architect working outside his
163:27 is also an architect working outside his field. You can be an architect working
163:29 field. You can be an architect working outside of your field without being an
163:30 outside of your field without being an ass about it. Calpoly SLO hashcalpoly.
163:35 ass about it. Calpoly SLO hashcalpoly. Well, this is the thing, right? It's
163:37 Well, this is the thing, right? It's like you can talk about something you're
163:38 like you can talk about something you're not an expert in, but you have to
163:40 not an expert in, but you have to provide your sources and the sources
163:41 provide your sources and the sources have to say what you say they're saying,
163:43 have to say what you say they're saying, right? Like you you can talk about
163:45 right? Like you you can talk about anything you want as long as you're
163:46 anything you want as long as you're careful about it and are representing
163:48 careful about it and are representing the source properly. If you're not, then
163:50 the source properly. If you're not, then you're about to get bodied. And that's
163:51 you're about to get bodied. And that's not a fun feeling.
163:54 not a fun feeling. >> It's it's and that's like even like the
163:56 >> It's it's and that's like even like the [ __ ] what what gets me. I put out that
163:58 [ __ ] what what gets me. I put out that sex and sensibility video, the revamped
163:59 sex and sensibility video, the revamped one. I'm not confident that I know
164:01 one. I'm not confident that I know everything about all that stuff. I cited
164:03 everything about all that stuff. I cited a ton of stuff that agreed with me, a
164:05 a ton of stuff that agreed with me, a ton of stuff that disagreed with me, a
164:07 ton of stuff that disagreed with me, a ton of stuff that just like stuff that I
164:08 ton of stuff that just like stuff that I even use. I just put it in the [ __ ]
164:10 even use. I just put it in the [ __ ] resource document. People can go
164:11 resource document. People can go explore. And like I I tried to be very
164:14 explore. And like I I tried to be very honest about the fact like, "Hey, here's
164:15 honest about the fact like, "Hey, here's my limitations, but here's what I
164:16 my limitations, but here's what I understand." But I also still went and
164:19 understand." But I also still went and got [ __ ] a bunch of people, most of
164:21 got [ __ ] a bunch of people, most of them university professors, to read over
164:23 them university professors, to read over it and sign off on it. And you know what
164:25 it and sign off on it. And you know what they did? A bunch of them were like,
164:26 they did? A bunch of them were like, "Hey, here's a way to rephrase this.
164:28 "Hey, here's a way to rephrase this. here's expounding on this and some
164:30 here's expounding on this and some resources you didn't conclude. Here's
164:32 resources you didn't conclude. Here's some more stuff you can put in there.
164:33 some more stuff you can put in there. That's why I have so [ __ ] many like
164:36 That's why I have so [ __ ] many like just I I checked with people who are
164:39 just I I checked with people who are smarter than me. I got a spec I got two
164:41 smarter than me. I got a spec I got two people with neuroscience PhDs to check
164:44 people with neuroscience PhDs to check the neuroscience section. I got anatomy
164:46 the neuroscience section. I got anatomy professors to check the anatomy section.
164:49 professors to check the anatomy section. I got psych someone with a psychology
164:51 I got psych someone with a psychology two psychology PhDs to check the
164:53 two psychology PhDs to check the psychology section. Like I was thorough
164:55 psychology section. Like I was thorough about getting people smarter than me to
164:57 about getting people smarter than me to check it because I don't know what the
164:58 check it because I don't know what the [ __ ] I'm doing. I'm just some [ __ ] on
164:59 [ __ ] I'm doing. I'm just some [ __ ] on the internet.
165:00 the internet. >> Like how hard is that?
165:01 >> Like how hard is that? >> People who are people who watch science
165:04 >> People who are people who watch science communicators I think would be shocked
165:06 communicators I think would be shocked to know that virtually I I'll say it
165:08 to know that virtually I I'll say it this way. All the successful science
165:10 this way. All the successful science communicators that I know, myself
165:12 communicators that I know, myself included, when they're talking outside
165:14 included, when they're talking outside of their area of expertise, they check
165:15 of their area of expertise, they check it with somebody. They I I do that when
165:17 it with somebody. They I I do that when I'm talking about anything that I don't
165:19 I'm talking about anything that I don't know. I've got and we all all of us have
165:22 know. I've got and we all all of us have group chats or or we're a part of of
165:24 group chats or or we're a part of of WhatsApp, you know, groups or or
165:25 WhatsApp, you know, groups or or discords or whatever full of people who
165:27 discords or whatever full of people who are like-minded who can be like, "Hey,
165:29 are like-minded who can be like, "Hey, attention geologists, is this true,
165:31 attention geologists, is this true, right?" Or or am I saying this right or
165:33 right?" Or or am I saying this right or how can I phrase this better? Like
165:34 how can I phrase this better? Like whatever. Um because no one can be an
165:37 whatever. Um because no one can be an expert in anything in everything. Excuse
165:39 expert in anything in everything. Excuse me.
165:40 me. >> I've called you. I've called you about
165:43 >> I've called you. I've called you about [ __ ] that I was pretty sure I already
165:45 [ __ ] that I was pretty sure I already knew, but I wasn't. I was nervous and I
165:47 knew, but I wasn't. I was nervous and I was like, "Hey, I know you know this
165:49 was like, "Hey, I know you know this better than me." Just am I crazy? Is
165:51 better than me." Just am I crazy? Is this what I need to be saying? And and
165:52 this what I need to be saying? And and you gave me even more information.
165:54 you gave me even more information. >> Hoid the other day. Yeah, we did this
165:56 >> Hoid the other day. Yeah, we did this with and and what was funny is Force
165:58 with and and what was funny is Force texted you about the hyoid and I was
165:59 texted you about the hyoid and I was like, I don't really know much about the
166:00 like, I don't really know much about the hyoid, but I know someone who does. We
166:03 hyoid, but I know someone who does. We can ask him. And so it's like, you know,
166:06 can ask him. And so it's like, you know, that's that's how it works. That's it's
166:08 that's that's how it works. That's it's fine.
166:10 fine. >> It's nutty, dude. Uh we've got uh seven
166:13 >> It's nutty, dude. Uh we've got uh seven calls and we got two calls ready to go
166:15 calls and we got two calls ready to go and a bunch more in the screening room.
166:17 and a bunch more in the screening room. So uh we will now jump back into calls.
166:20 So uh we will now jump back into calls. We'll take one one more and then go
166:22 We'll take one one more and then go back. Yes. Uh we're going to talk next
166:24 back. Yes. Uh we're going to talk next to Stevie pronouns he him who says the
166:28 to Stevie pronouns he him who says the evidence for evolution is not compelling
166:30 evidence for evolution is not compelling at all. Stevie, you are on the line with
166:33 at all. Stevie, you are on the line with Forest. How you doing today?
166:36 Forest. How you doing today? >> It's going good. How about yourself?
166:39 >> It's going good. How about yourself? Oh my god, it's so loud. Are
166:44 Oh my god, it's so loud. Are >> my mic? Is that Is that No. Is that
166:47 >> my mic? Is that Is that No. Is that better?
166:49 better? >> That's a little better. Yeah, it was
166:50 >> That's a little better. Yeah, it was really loud for a second.
166:53 really loud for a second. >> Sorry about that.
166:54 >> Sorry about that. >> Thank you for waiting for so freaking
166:55 >> Thank you for waiting for so freaking long. You've been on hold for over two
166:57 long. You've been on hold for over two hours. So, I appreciate you waiting for
166:59 hours. So, I appreciate you waiting for for as long as you have.
167:01 for as long as you have. >> Yeah, I was literally in the process of
167:03 >> Yeah, I was literally in the process of disconnecting as you were like, "And
167:05 disconnecting as you were like, "And we're going to call the next we're going
167:06 we're going to call the next we're going to take the next call." And I was like,
167:07 to take the next call." And I was like, "Okay, I'll wait and see." What do they
167:09 "Okay, I'll wait and see." What do they say?
167:10 say? >> Good. Good.
167:11 >> Good. Good. >> Thank you for that. I know it's it's a
167:12 >> Thank you for that. I know it's it's a long show.
167:15 long show. >> I I've been waiting for you to call and
167:16 >> I I've been waiting for you to call and talk exactly with us about this.
167:19 talk exactly with us about this. >> Tell us about your um reticence with
167:23 >> Tell us about your um reticence with evolutionary theory. Let's get into
167:24 evolutionary theory. Let's get into this.
167:26 this. >> Good word.
167:26 >> Good word. >> Yeah. Before we do that, I just want to
167:28 >> Yeah. Before we do that, I just want to mention something
167:30 mention something that Rob was kind of mentioning like,
167:33 that Rob was kind of mentioning like, you know, like having a fair
167:34 you know, like having a fair conversation or whatever, but like just
167:36 conversation or whatever, but like just to be honest, calling into this show is
167:39 to be honest, calling into this show is not really like fair. I think we can
167:41 not really like fair. I think we can probably agree there's two of you guys,
167:44 probably agree there's two of you guys, three if you count the the moderator
167:46 three if you count the the moderator that sometimes jumps in. You guys uh
167:49 that sometimes jumps in. You guys uh when y'all talk, my my voice gets
167:51 when y'all talk, my my voice gets quieter. You have the power to mute me.
167:53 quieter. You have the power to mute me. So, it's definitely not a fair
167:55 So, it's definitely not a fair conversation. I just want to say that
167:57 conversation. I just want to say that Rob was correct about that
168:00 Rob was correct about that >> in so far as like it's not a perfect
168:03 >> in so far as like it's not a perfect onetoone moderated debate where I say a
168:06 onetoone moderated debate where I say a thing and then you say a thing and all
168:08 thing and then you say a thing and all that. Yeah. Um it is however I think
168:10 that. Yeah. Um it is however I think it's it's as fair as it can be given the
168:12 it's it's as fair as it can be given the circumstances that you are calling
168:14 circumstances that you are calling people with expertise in a particular
168:15 people with expertise in a particular area and our job is to educate and so
168:19 area and our job is to educate and so like if you say something that's just
168:21 like if you say something that's just totally untowed and weird it is our job
168:24 totally untowed and weird it is our job to cut it off and say hey no here's the
168:26 to cut it off and say hey no here's the truth about this thing but at the end of
168:29 truth about this thing but at the end of the day as we mentioned at the beginning
168:30 the day as we mentioned at the beginning of the show we can't prepare for
168:31 of the show we can't prepare for anything. you could bring in something
168:33 anything. you could bring in something that's totally just a banger and if
168:35 that's totally just a banger and if you're pleasant in the conversation like
168:36 you're pleasant in the conversation like we could actually really get somewhere
168:38 we could actually really get somewhere there. There have been some good
168:39 there. There have been some good challenges brought up. Um just none none
168:42 challenges brought up. Um just none none that have been successful. So I don't
168:44 that have been successful. So I don't know man. I I I don't know how much
168:46 know man. I I I don't know how much better it could be.
168:48 better it could be. >> I mean I think fair I mean that's a fair
168:51 >> I mean I think fair I mean that's a fair statement. Yay.
168:53 statement. Yay. >> I think we go down this rabbit hole for
168:54 >> I think we go down this rabbit hole for a while but I really really really
168:56 a while but I really really really really really
168:58 really really want to talk about evolution. So, Rob,
169:00 want to talk about evolution. So, Rob, tell us about your reticence.
169:06 >> You mean you mean Stevie, right? >> Did I just say what I say? Robbie.
169:09 >> Did I just say what I say? Robbie. >> No, get Rob back on the phone. Talk
169:11 >> No, get Rob back on the phone. Talk about evolution now.
169:12 about evolution now. >> I'm like I'm I'm actually traumatized by
169:14 >> I'm like I'm I'm actually traumatized by that. Yeah, Stevie. Sorry, Stevie.
169:17 that. Yeah, Stevie. Sorry, Stevie. >> I was traumatized, too. So, yeah. I
169:19 >> I was traumatized, too. So, yeah. I mean, the reason I was calling in was
169:20 mean, the reason I was calling in was about evolution, you know? Uh I just I
169:23 about evolution, you know? Uh I just I just find the evidence pretty
169:25 just find the evidence pretty lackluster. I I I just don't think it's
169:27 lackluster. I I I just don't think it's very strong at all. But I think it's
169:29 very strong at all. But I think it's important that we kind of define what
169:32 important that we kind of define what we're talking about as far as evolution
169:33 we're talking about as far as evolution because there's a lot of different, you
169:36 because there's a lot of different, you know, definitions. People feel, you
169:39 know, definitions. People feel, you know, when people are talking about
169:40 know, when people are talking about evolution, sometimes they mean different
169:42 evolution, sometimes they mean different things. So when I mean evolution,
169:44 things. So when I mean evolution, >> there there is one definition of the
169:46 >> there there is one definition of the word evolution. I would love to hear if
169:48 word evolution. I would love to hear if if you you're on the same page as me.
169:52 if you you're on the same page as me. >> Well, like I said, I don't agree with
169:53 >> Well, like I said, I don't agree with that definition. I know that definition.
169:55 that definition. I know that definition. I believe it's uh you know a change in
169:58 I believe it's uh you know a change in illegal in alil frequ frequency over
170:01 illegal in alil frequ frequency over time in a population but
170:04 time in a population but >> I don't I don't really close
170:07 >> I don't I don't really close >> pretty close it's any change in the
170:09 >> pretty close it's any change in the heritable characteristics of a
170:10 heritable characteristics of a population over multiple generations so
170:12 population over multiple generations so not necessarily just alil frequencies if
170:15 not necessarily just alil frequencies if you're talking about that it's much more
170:16 you're talking about that it's much more likely you're talking about specifically
170:17 likely you're talking about specifically just what we would usually call
170:19 just what we would usually call macroevolution um but or sorry micro
170:21 macroevolution um but or sorry micro evolution pardon me but that's that's
170:23 evolution pardon me but that's that's splitting a lot of hairs
170:26 splitting a lot of hairs May I may I maybe expedite this process
170:29 May I may I maybe expedite this process a little CD? Your problem is with
170:32 a little CD? Your problem is with >> what creationists would call macro
170:34 >> what creationists would call macro evolution. Your your issue is changes in
170:36 evolution. Your your issue is changes in body plans, the evolution of new
170:38 body plans, the evolution of new species, new genera, things of that
170:40 species, new genera, things of that nature, right?
170:42 nature, right? >> Yeah. I don't really subscribe to the to
170:45 >> Yeah. I don't really subscribe to the to the term macro evolution because I don't
170:47 the term macro evolution because I don't the way that people define that I don't
170:49 the way that people define that I don't really care for it. But yes, for the
170:50 really care for it. But yes, for the most part, you are correct. I'm I'm
170:51 most part, you are correct. I'm I'm talking about the molecules to man part
170:54 talking about the molecules to man part of it, not adaptation or micro evolution
170:57 of it, not adaptation or micro evolution like you said. Uh but yeah, that but
171:00 like you said. Uh but yeah, that but change in body plans, that kind of
171:02 change in body plans, that kind of stuff.
171:03 stuff. >> Okay. So, we could come at this a couple
171:06 >> Okay. So, we could come at this a couple of different ways, I think. Um Forest,
171:08 of different ways, I think. Um Forest, you are probably going to come at it
171:10 you are probably going to come at it from a perspective, this is my guess,
171:12 from a perspective, this is my guess, you're probably going to come at it at
171:13 you're probably going to come at it at it from a perspective of like
171:15 it from a perspective of like small changes accumulate over time will
171:17 small changes accumulate over time will lead to large changes. Here's how we
171:19 lead to large changes. Here's how we know that. Here's the biochemistry. here
171:20 know that. Here's the biochemistry. here are a couple of examples, things of that
171:21 are a couple of examples, things of that nature, and you know that I'm going to
171:23 nature, and you know that I'm going to come at this from the fossil record. Um,
171:25 come at this from the fossil record. Um, I'm going to come at this from a
171:26 I'm going to come at this from a perspective of what do we what do we see
171:28 perspective of what do we what do we see from human evolution? Um, and I think
171:30 from human evolution? Um, and I think human evolution is particularly powerful
171:32 human evolution is particularly powerful because it it sort of one two punches a
171:35 because it it sort of one two punches a lot of sort of creationist
171:37 lot of sort of creationist preconceptions, I think. Um, so those
171:39 preconceptions, I think. Um, so those are the two routes that I I suspect
171:41 are the two routes that I I suspect we're going to go. Stevie, do you have a
171:43 we're going to go. Stevie, do you have a preference as to which route we go down
171:45 preference as to which route we go down first?
171:47 first? Yeah, I mean I basically the biggest
171:50 Yeah, I mean I basically the biggest hangup for me is I I you know in order
171:53 hangup for me is I I you know in order for evolution to be true, okay, there
171:55 for evolution to be true, okay, there has to be a change in in body plans. You
171:59 has to be a change in in body plans. You know, I think we both agree
172:02 know, I think we both agree that has to happen. So I just don't see
172:05 that has to happen. So I just don't see any observable evidence of organisms
172:09 any observable evidence of organisms developing like entirely new body plans
172:12 developing like entirely new body plans over time. I don't know if you could
172:15 over time. I don't know if you could provide an example of that. Um, you
172:18 provide an example of that. Um, you know, something that we that's
172:19 know, something that we that's observable. I got it.
172:20 observable. I got it. >> Uh, yep.
172:22 >> Uh, yep. >> Perfect. Okay, great. I'm open for it.
172:25 >> Perfect. Okay, great. I'm open for it. >> All right. So, so just to be clear, I
172:27 >> All right. So, so just to be clear, I I'm sorry if this is redundant. I just
172:29 I'm sorry if this is redundant. I just want to make very sure we are
172:30 want to make very sure we are specifically talking about, you know, I
172:32 specifically talking about, you know, I I know you said you didn't like the
172:33 I know you said you didn't like the terminology, but we were talking about
172:34 terminology, but we were talking about macro evolution, major phenotypic
172:37 macro evolution, major phenotypic changes.
172:38 changes. Do we see major changes across the
172:40 Do we see major changes across the fossil record? Um, so my example of that
172:44 fossil record? Um, so my example of that that I would immediately go to is
172:46 that I would immediately go to is whales. I bet Erica's example is going
172:48 whales. I bet Erica's example is going to be humans for whatever reason. Um,
172:51 to be humans for whatever reason. Um, right. So yeah, we would you prefer that
172:54 right. So yeah, we would you prefer that I talk about whales or would you prefer
172:56 I talk about whales or would you prefer that Erica talks about humans when we
172:57 that Erica talks about humans when we talk about these major changes in body
173:00 talk about these major changes in body plans?
173:02 plans? Let's stick to Wales because I know that
173:04 Let's stick to Wales because I know that uh Erica, you know, that's her like
173:07 uh Erica, you know, that's her like bread and butter and
173:10 bread and butter and >> I'd rather talk about the probably the
173:13 >> I'd rather talk about the probably the weaker of the two arguments first and
173:14 weaker of the two arguments first and then we can go into the stronger
173:15 then we can go into the stronger argument.
173:17 argument. >> Sure.
173:17 >> Sure. >> Can I can I before we can I really fast
173:20 >> Can I can I before we can I really fast forward, I want to establish something
173:22 forward, I want to establish something really quickly, right? Um because
173:24 really quickly, right? Um because Stevie, we're going to talk about two
173:26 Stevie, we're going to talk about two things in this conversation. We're going
173:28 things in this conversation. We're going to talk about well actually three
173:29 to talk about well actually three separate things. This is how I this is
173:32 separate things. This is how I this is how I'm planning on approaching it.
173:33 how I'm planning on approaching it. Forest you might come at this a little
173:35 Forest you might come at this a little differently, but I imagine we're going
173:36 differently, but I imagine we're going to come together uh converge if you will
173:40 to come together uh converge if you will on this strategy. So there's got to we
173:43 on this strategy. So there's got to we have to explain a couple of things,
173:44 have to explain a couple of things, right? We have to outline what evolution
173:46 right? We have to outline what evolution actually predicts. We have to talk about
173:48 actually predicts. We have to talk about how that would happen mechanistically,
173:51 how that would happen mechanistically, like genetically speaking, right? And
173:54 like genetically speaking, right? And you need experimental support for that
173:55 you need experimental support for that to show that these kinds of changes even
173:58 to show that these kinds of changes even can occur if you change specific genes
173:59 can occur if you change specific genes and that that does result in major body
174:01 and that that does result in major body changes in organisms. And we need to
174:04 changes in organisms. And we need to show that that did happen. So we have to
174:06 show that that did happen. So we have to establish what evolution says should
174:08 establish what evolution says should happen. We need to show that it can
174:10 happen. We need to show that it can happen experimentally and we need to
174:11 happen experimentally and we need to show that it did happen from the fossil
174:13 show that it did happen from the fossil record. So those are the three things
174:15 record. So those are the three things that Forest and I are tasked with for
174:17 that Forest and I are tasked with for whales or humans respectively. Forest,
174:19 whales or humans respectively. Forest, take it away.
174:20 take it away. I'm gonna actually write that down
174:22 I'm gonna actually write that down because I think that's a great model to
174:23 because I think that's a great model to make sure we stick to here. Prediction
174:25 make sure we stick to here. Prediction then, uh, mechanisms
174:29 then, uh, mechanisms then evidence.
174:31 then evidence. >> Yeah.
174:32 >> Yeah. >> So, we've got those three. So, um, let's
174:36 >> So, we've got those three. So, um, let's start then if we look at whales today.
174:38 start then if we look at whales today. All right. So, we're starting with the
174:40 All right. So, we're starting with the the whole concept of of the scientific
174:42 the whole concept of of the scientific method here, right? We start with an
174:43 method here, right? We start with an observation. The observation that we see
174:45 observation. The observation that we see today is that whales are mammals. Um,
174:47 today is that whales are mammals. Um, and we see that they have internal
174:50 and we see that they have internal hipbones. They have pelvises and and
174:52 hipbones. They have pelvises and and little leg bones in there, uh, and their
174:54 little leg bones in there, uh, and their hind legs that aren't doing leg things
174:56 hind legs that aren't doing leg things for sure. Um, and we see when we look at
174:59 for sure. Um, and we see when we look at their hands, when we look at their front
175:00 their hands, when we look at their front limbs, that they have homologous
175:03 limbs, that they have homologous structures that line up with the uh uh
175:06 structures that line up with the uh uh front limbs of all land mammals. Yes,
175:10 front limbs of all land mammals. Yes, land. I want to say I was going to say
175:11 land. I want to say I was going to say tetropods, but we get fishy. like just
175:14 tetropods, but we get fishy. like just you get pretty much every single
175:16 you get pretty much every single tetropod, every land creature that has
175:19 tetropod, every land creature that has four limbs has the same bone structure
175:22 four limbs has the same bone structure as these guys have in their front legs
175:23 as these guys have in their front legs and their back legs. They still have a
175:25 and their back legs. They still have a pelvis and they still have femur,
175:27 pelvis and they still have femur, sometimes tibia and even a little bit of
175:29 sometimes tibia and even a little bit of a almost a fibula bone. Um, so we have
175:32 a almost a fibula bone. Um, so we have that going on. That's a pretty crazy
175:34 that going on. That's a pretty crazy observation. So now,
175:36 observation. So now, >> and they brea
175:37 >> and they brea >> what would that
175:38 >> what would that >> and they breathe air and they have a
175:40 >> and they breathe air and they have a million other things that tie them. They
175:41 million other things that tie them. They they they give birth to live young. They
175:43 they they give birth to live young. They produce milk. There's a million things
175:44 produce milk. There's a million things here, right? So, we look now back at the
175:48 here, right? So, we look now back at the fossil record and we say, "Okay, so it
175:50 fossil record and we say, "Okay, so it looks an awful lot like these things
175:53 looks an awful lot like these things evolved from land animals." Um, if that
175:56 evolved from land animals." Um, if that is the case, then we should be able to
175:58 is the case, then we should be able to predict that we would find land animals
176:01 predict that we would find land animals over the course of the past few tens of
176:03 over the course of the past few tens of millions of years in slow transition
176:05 millions of years in slow transition morphologically to these guys. and more
176:08 morphologically to these guys. and more importantly that they would share unique
176:11 importantly that they would share unique characteristics that unite them together
176:15 characteristics that unite them together because I can show you this floppy
176:18 because I can show you this floppy creature that's sort of aquatic and this
176:20 creature that's sort of aquatic and this less floppy creature that's very not
176:22 less floppy creature that's very not aquatic and say they're related but I
176:24 aquatic and say they're related but I need to be able to show that as well. So
176:26 need to be able to show that as well. So first of all we look back at the fossil
176:28 first of all we look back at the fossil record and indeed we do see this slow
176:31 record and indeed we do see this slow transition from indohyas to pacetus to
176:34 transition from indohyas to pacetus to ambuletus to rotoceetus to durodon to
176:36 ambuletus to rotoceetus to durodon to modern whales blah blah blah the one
176:38 modern whales blah blah blah the one that you see in a lot of textbooks right
176:40 that you see in a lot of textbooks right um and we see a couple of really key
176:42 um and we see a couple of really key transitions. Number one we see those
176:44 transitions. Number one we see those legs getting shorter and shorter and
176:45 legs getting shorter and shorter and shorter. Number two we see the nasal
176:48 shorter. Number two we see the nasal aperture the hole in the skull where
176:50 aperture the hole in the skull where your nostrils go sliding back on the
176:52 your nostrils go sliding back on the head over the course of time. So, we see
176:54 head over the course of time. So, we see these transitions,
176:56 these transitions, but that's still like you could still
176:59 but that's still like you could still argue that these are like just weird
177:02 argue that these are like just weird [ __ ] creatures that just lived at
177:04 [ __ ] creatures that just lived at different times and aren't necessarily
177:07 different times and aren't necessarily leading up to whales. If there is such a
177:09 leading up to whales. If there is such a thing, then we should be able to see a
177:10 thing, then we should be able to see a little bit more. Well, we dig deeper. We
177:12 little bit more. Well, we dig deeper. We look at their isotopes, right? We take
177:14 look at their isotopes, right? We take the stable isotopes of oxygen out of
177:17 the stable isotopes of oxygen out of their tissues. Um, and we find that so
177:21 their tissues. Um, and we find that so so stable isotopes are isotopes that
177:23 so stable isotopes are isotopes that don't break down through radioactive
177:24 don't break down through radioactive decay. Um, so we don't do raditric
177:26 decay. Um, so we don't do raditric dating with them, but because they have
177:28 dating with them, but because they have different masses, they fractionate. They
177:31 different masses, they fractionate. They move differently around the world in
177:33 move differently around the world in different ways. And we see that a better
177:36 different ways. And we see that a better ratio, a higher ratio of heavy oxygen
177:39 ratio, a higher ratio of heavy oxygen isotopes is more indicative of life in
177:42 isotopes is more indicative of life in salt water than life in fresh water. And
177:44 salt water than life in fresh water. And we see when we look at these fossils
177:47 we see when we look at these fossils over time from indohyas to pacetus to to
177:50 over time from indohyas to pacetus to to you know ambulus to rodicus all the way
177:52 you know ambulus to rodicus all the way down that they show this transition from
177:55 down that they show this transition from life in fresh water to life in salt
177:57 life in fresh water to life in salt water. Pretty neat. And we see that at a
178:00 water. Pretty neat. And we see that at a certain point when we see this diversion
178:01 certain point when we see this diversion between mysticis baine whales and
178:04 between mysticis baine whales and odonteides tooth whales like dolphins we
178:07 odonteides tooth whales like dolphins we see a difference where we see the split.
178:09 see a difference where we see the split. Here's the ones that are marine whales
178:11 Here's the ones that are marine whales and look where they line up. And here's
178:12 and look where they line up. And here's the ones that are freshwater whales.
178:14 the ones that are freshwater whales. Here's with like river dolphins. Here's
178:16 Here's with like river dolphins. Here's where they line up. And we it it
178:18 where they line up. And we it it actually tracks perfectly with their
178:19 actually tracks perfectly with their isotopic signatures. Still not good
178:22 isotopic signatures. Still not good enough, though, because that could still
178:23 enough, though, because that could still mean that these are just random [ __ ]
178:25 mean that these are just random [ __ ] creatures living life in different ways.
178:27 creatures living life in different ways. For whatever reason, we don't know that
178:29 For whatever reason, we don't know that they're related. So, we look for things
178:31 they're related. So, we look for things that unite them. And we have a couple.
178:33 that unite them. And we have a couple. Um the biggest one is what's called the
178:35 Um the biggest one is what's called the invol. So this little nodule in the back
178:40 invol. So this little nodule in the back of your skull here where the the inner
178:42 of your skull here where the the inner earbones live is what we call an
178:43 earbones live is what we call an auditory bulla. Um so you have this
178:46 auditory bulla. Um so you have this auditory bola back on the back of the
178:47 auditory bola back on the back of the skull has a particularly thick inner
178:50 skull has a particularly thick inner wall called an involucrum. This invol
178:54 wall called an involucrum. This invol exists in all modern whales, all
178:57 exists in all modern whales, all ancestral whales, all those fossils that
178:59 ancestral whales, all those fossils that I mentioned and every other one that
179:01 I mentioned and every other one that goes along with them. And get this, no
179:04 goes along with them. And get this, no other animals ever. None living or
179:07 other animals ever. None living or extinct, not a single other animal do we
179:10 extinct, not a single other animal do we find this unique signature. So now we
179:12 find this unique signature. So now we have a really strong homology what we
179:15 have a really strong homology what we call in this case a synapomorphy that
179:17 call in this case a synapomorphy that unites this whole cate with one single
179:20 unites this whole cate with one single morphology. Clearly these things are
179:23 morphology. Clearly these things are related and we see their transition in
179:26 related and we see their transition in bones and we see transition in their uh
179:28 bones and we see transition in their uh uh isotopes that all point in the same
179:31 uh isotopes that all point in the same direction that these guys evolve from
179:34 direction that these guys evolve from earlier animals that lived on land. And
179:36 earlier animals that lived on land. And for a while it was a tossup. We weren't
179:38 for a while it was a tossup. We weren't sure if they evolved from ariodactyls
179:40 sure if they evolved from ariodactyls which are things like deer and cow and
179:42 which are things like deer and cow and stuff or if they evolved from canids. We
179:45 stuff or if they evolved from canids. We had these things called micids
179:48 had these things called micids m
179:50 m I can't remember the exact word but um m
179:53 I can't remember the exact word but um m misenids I think misenkindids um that
179:57 misenids I think misenkindids um that were these dog like things that we were
179:59 were these dog like things that we were like maybe this you know and the thing
180:02 like maybe this you know and the thing that solidified it definitely was
180:04 that solidified it definitely was ariodactyl was a fossil called endohyas
180:07 ariodactyl was a fossil called endohyas which was an ariodactyl that had that
180:08 which was an ariodactyl that had that same involuc um and so now we have this
180:12 same involuc um and so now we have this evidence that we have this guy oh
180:14 evidence that we have this guy oh another thing that we should be able to
180:15 another thing that we should be able to see. If indeed these guys do evolve from
180:19 see. If indeed these guys do evolve from ariodactyls, well, guess what?
180:20 ariodactyls, well, guess what? Ariodactyls are ruminants. They're
180:23 Ariodactyls are ruminants. They're herbivores. So, these guys are out here
180:25 herbivores. So, these guys are out here munching on grass. They have
180:26 munching on grass. They have multi-chambered stomachs for digesting
180:28 multi-chambered stomachs for digesting this stuff. Okay. So, how the [ __ ] is
180:31 this stuff. Okay. So, how the [ __ ] is this thing going to start eating fish?
180:32 this thing going to start eating fish? So, we should be able to see some
180:34 So, we should be able to see some evidence of that, right? Well, when we
180:36 evidence of that, right? Well, when we look at the stomachs of whales, they
180:38 look at the stomachs of whales, they have multi-chambered stomachs. Whales
180:40 have multi-chambered stomachs. Whales have four-chambered [ __ ] stomachs and
180:42 have four-chambered [ __ ] stomachs and just the same leftover from ruminous.
180:44 just the same leftover from ruminous. adapted. They're changed a little bit,
180:46 adapted. They're changed a little bit, but they still have individual chambers
180:48 but they still have individual chambers as you would expect in this case. Um,
180:50 as you would expect in this case. Um, and indeed, we also see their teeth
180:52 and indeed, we also see their teeth getting longer and pointier. And we say
180:54 getting longer and pointier. And we say that sticking around in tooththed
180:56 that sticking around in tooththed whales, odonttoites, long pointy teeth
180:58 whales, odonttoites, long pointy teeth with a long pointy snout. Exactly what
181:00 with a long pointy snout. Exactly what we see in animals that catch and eat
181:03 we see in animals that catch and eat fish like that. And when we look at
181:04 fish like that. And when we look at baine whales, how do we tie them in?
181:06 baine whales, how do we tie them in? Maybe the baileine whales are just a
181:08 Maybe the baileine whales are just a different thing. If they were really
181:10 different thing. If they were really that way, we should see some vestigial
181:11 that way, we should see some vestigial teeth. do when we look at their
181:13 teeth. do when we look at their development. When they develop in
181:15 development. When they develop in uterero, baine whales grow teeth,
181:18 uterero, baine whales grow teeth, reabsorb them, and then grow baine
181:20 reabsorb them, and then grow baine plates afterward. So, we see that as a
181:23 plates afterward. So, we see that as a developmental thing as well. And while
181:25 developmental thing as well. And while we're talking about development, they
181:26 we're talking about development, they also grow hind legs and then reabsorb
181:30 also grow hind legs and then reabsorb them as well. So all of these things
181:32 them as well. So all of these things together, looking at the fossils,
181:34 together, looking at the fossils, looking at the isotopes, looking at
181:37 looking at the isotopes, looking at their development, looking at their
181:38 their development, looking at their morphology, every bit of this all points
181:42 morphology, every bit of this all points the same direction that whales evolve
181:43 the same direction that whales evolve from land animals. So here we have the
181:45 from land animals. So here we have the observation that leads to prediction and
181:47 observation that leads to prediction and now we have the evidence for it. And in
181:50 now we have the evidence for it. And in a minute we can get into mechanisms, but
181:51 a minute we can get into mechanisms, but I think that's enough of me rambling for
181:53 I think that's enough of me rambling for this moment.
181:54 this moment. May I may I add a couple of let me let
181:57 May I may I add a couple of let me let me fill in the the little bits that I
181:59 me fill in the the little bits that I that I would like to add as well.
182:01 that I would like to add as well. >> Um because if whales evolved from hoofed
182:04 >> Um because if whales evolved from hoofed land dwelling mammals the envol connects
182:07 land dwelling mammals the envol connects them all the way through. That's
182:08 them all the way through. That's awesome. But we can actually do better
182:10 awesome. But we can actually do better than that because ariodactyls have a
182:13 than that because ariodactyls have a unique structure called an estragalus in
182:15 unique structure called an estragalus in their ankle. It's a double pulley system
182:17 their ankle. It's a double pulley system that allows them to run. Um and it and
182:19 that allows them to run. Um and it and essentially it gives them stability.
182:21 essentially it gives them stability. It's why deer can run so quickly and
182:22 It's why deer can run so quickly and pivot on a dime. why why they're so
182:24 pivot on a dime. why why they're so quick. Um, and a stragalus is it looks
182:27 quick. Um, and a stragalus is it looks it looks like this classic double pulley
182:29 it looks like this classic double pulley system that's that's really geared
182:30 system that's that's really geared towards stability. It's it's an ankle
182:32 towards stability. It's it's an ankle bone, I believe, in their ankles. Um,
182:34 bone, I believe, in their ankles. Um, and so what's really cool about the
182:36 and so what's really cool about the estragalus is that it's not found in
182:38 estragalus is that it's not found in anything other than ariodactyl
182:40 anything other than ariodactyl except for a bunch of precedingly more
182:44 except for a bunch of precedingly more aquatic citations like indohyas, like
182:47 aquatic citations like indohyas, like peachyus, like ambuletus all the way to
182:51 peachyus, like ambuletus all the way to fully aquatic fossil whales that still
182:54 fully aquatic fossil whales that still have an estragalus in their legs. And
182:57 have an estragalus in their legs. And what's really really cool about this is
182:59 what's really really cool about this is that when whales today are occasionally
183:02 that when whales today are occasionally born with hind flippers, you can find
183:05 born with hind flippers, you can find the remnants of that ariodactyl pattern
183:08 the remnants of that ariodactyl pattern in those hind flippers. So what then is
183:11 in those hind flippers. So what then is a land dwelling ariodactyl like indohyus
183:13 a land dwelling ariodactyl like indohyus doing with the inner ear of a whale
183:15 doing with the inner ear of a whale while modern whales and fossil whales
183:18 while modern whales and fossil whales some fossil whales have the signature of
183:20 some fossil whales have the signature of a land dwelling ariodactyl. So as forest
183:23 a land dwelling ariodactyl. So as forest said these are this meets the
183:26 said these are this meets the expectation that evolution provides. If
183:29 expectation that evolution provides. If whales evolve from land dwelling
183:30 whales evolve from land dwelling ariodactyls this is exactly what we
183:34 ariodactyls this is exactly what we should see in the fossil record. Um but
183:36 should see in the fossil record. Um but we can do better than that. We can look
183:38 we can do better than that. We can look at their living genes. We can ask
183:39 at their living genes. We can ask questions about whether or not whales
183:42 questions about whether or not whales preserve the pattern of ariodactyls. And
183:44 preserve the pattern of ariodactyls. And ariodactyls are phenomenal smellers.
183:46 ariodactyls are phenomenal smellers. Well modern whales have all of the
183:48 Well modern whales have all of the smelling genes that they need to smell
183:50 smelling genes that they need to smell above water. But they're all turned off
183:53 above water. But they're all turned off or virtually all of them are turned off.
183:54 or virtually all of them are turned off. I think a few of them are actually
183:55 I think a few of them are actually turned on. Um, you know, if they were
183:57 turned on. Um, you know, if they were designed to be aquatic their entire
183:59 designed to be aquatic their entire life, why do they have the entire gene
184:01 life, why do they have the entire gene set? To grow hind limbs, to grow teeth,
184:04 set? To grow hind limbs, to grow teeth, and to grow and develop smelling genes
184:06 and to grow and develop smelling genes for for smelling above water when they
184:08 for for smelling above water when they spend their whole time in the water. Um
184:10 spend their whole time in the water. Um so you know the long story short with
184:13 so you know the long story short with all of this is that citations whales
184:15 all of this is that citations whales right whales and dolphins they meet the
184:18 right whales and dolphins they meet the exact expectations by evolution.
184:22 exact expectations by evolution. If there is another explanation for this
184:25 If there is another explanation for this then whoever is responsible for that
184:28 then whoever is responsible for that orchestrated it in such a way to look
184:30 orchestrated it in such a way to look exactly like evolution looked and
184:34 exactly like evolution looked and predicts. Um which I don't I don't I
184:37 predicts. Um which I don't I don't I don't think that that God would do that.
184:39 don't think that that God would do that. Um, I think that's a pretty good case
184:41 Um, I think that's a pretty good case forations. We'll probably more
184:43 forations. We'll probably more >> I showed pictures of the uh I showed
184:45 >> I showed pictures of the uh I showed pictures of of the the what you call it.
184:48 pictures of of the the what you call it. Um, at the same time we talking that
184:49 Um, at the same time we talking that it's actually from a lecture that I just
184:52 it's actually from a lecture that I just gave at Oklahoma State University about
184:53 gave at Oklahoma State University about understanding evolution for undergrad
184:55 understanding evolution for undergrad students. And so yeah, that's very I'm
184:57 students. And so yeah, that's very I'm surprised I left that out. Good job.
184:58 surprised I left that out. Good job. Thank you so much for reminding me.
185:02 Thank you so much for reminding me. >> I had a question.
185:03 >> I had a question. >> Yeah, that was a lot.
185:06 >> Yeah, that was a lot. Oh,
185:07 Oh, >> would you still say Would you still say
185:09 >> would you still say Would you still say that is a lackluster explanation or do
185:12 that is a lackluster explanation or do you think there's a little bit more
185:12 you think there's a little bit more there than you expected?
185:15 there than you expected? >> No, I mean I I I just don't find it very
185:18 >> No, I mean I I I just don't find it very compelling. I mean for for a few
185:20 compelling. I mean for for a few reasons. the the the first thing is is
185:23 reasons. the the the first thing is is like we would expect
185:25 like we would expect you know uh a you know if common design
185:30 you know uh a you know if common design is real we would expect you know I'm
185:33 is real we would expect you know I'm sorry a common designer we would expect
185:35 sorry a common designer we would expect common design you know when you look at
185:36 common design you know when you look at a jet engine and you look at a car
185:38 a jet engine and you look at a car engine you can see similarities there so
185:40 engine you can see similarities there so to me it's really not that compelling
185:43 to me it's really not that compelling also the fossil record doesn't really
185:46 also the fossil record doesn't really show a continuous
185:49 show a continuous uh incremental change from land to
185:54 uh incremental change from land to whale. It it shows more like leaps and
185:57 whale. It it shows more like leaps and bound changes like each each uh organism
186:02 bound changes like each each uh organism in the link is significantly different
186:05 in the link is significantly different than the organism before and evolution
186:08 than the organism before and evolution just doesn't work that way. So that
186:09 just doesn't work that way. So that means that we we have to be missing
186:12 means that we we have to be missing animals in between that we have no
186:14 animals in between that we have no record of.
186:16 record of. So, Stevie, if if I may interrupt for
186:19 So, Stevie, if if I may interrupt for >> Oh, go ahead.
186:20 >> Oh, go ahead. >> Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
186:22 >> Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you. Please finish your thought.
186:25 Please finish your thought. >> I was just going to say like I I there
186:28 >> I was just going to say like I I there was a lot there, so I I probably need to
186:29 was a lot there, so I I probably need to like get a whiteboard or something
186:30 like get a whiteboard or something moving forward, but uh did any of those
186:33 moving forward, but uh did any of those transitionary like the series of
186:35 transitionary like the series of organisms that you listed out, did any
186:37 organisms that you listed out, did any of them have do any of them have echol
186:40 of them have do any of them have echol echolocation?
186:42 echolocation? >> Literally, all animals do echoloc. Yeah.
186:45 >> Literally, all animals do echoloc. Yeah. some some of the I he's probably
186:47 some some of the I he's probably >> they literally have sonar like like
186:49 >> they literally have sonar like like whales do.
186:51 whales do. >> So there's as for said all mammals are
186:54 >> So there's as for said all mammals are capable of doing a form of echolocation.
186:56 capable of doing a form of echolocation. Whales and dolphins perform a specific
186:58 Whales and dolphins perform a specific type using a melon organ which if my
187:00 type using a melon organ which if my understanding is that it's kind of like
187:01 understanding is that it's kind of like a resonance chamber I think um that does
187:04 a resonance chamber I think um that does exist in later fossil whales. I believe
187:07 exist in later fossil whales. I believe basilosaurus had a melon organ but I
187:09 basilosaurus had a melon organ but I need to double check. Um it might be
187:11 need to double check. Um it might be some of them the mystic seats later on.
187:13 some of them the mystic seats later on. But I I think we need to back up because
187:15 But I I think we need to back up because there's actually a much bigger problem
187:17 there's actually a much bigger problem here,
187:18 here, Stevie. What would count as support for
187:23 Stevie. What would count as support for evolution? Because evolution predicts
187:25 evolution? Because evolution predicts that we should see slow morphologic
187:26 that we should see slow morphologic change over geological time, that is to
187:28 change over geological time, that is to say, transitional fossils in the fossil
187:30 say, transitional fossils in the fossil record. And it also predicts that that
187:33 record. And it also predicts that that should be reflected in both development
187:36 should be reflected in both development and in the genomes of these organisms.
187:38 and in the genomes of these organisms. So, we should be able to track the
187:40 So, we should be able to track the changes through the fossil record, and
187:41 changes through the fossil record, and we should be able to track them through
187:43 we should be able to track them through the development and then living genes of
187:45 the development and then living genes of these critters.
187:47 these critters. This transitional lineage that we just
187:49 This transitional lineage that we just presented to you checks all of those
187:50 presented to you checks all of those boxes. So, I have to ask, if that
187:54 boxes. So, I have to ask, if that doesn't count as support for evolution,
187:57 doesn't count as support for evolution, if that is weak to you, what would
188:00 if that is weak to you, what would count?
188:05 Well, like I said, I mean, if if we if we could show a uh incremental change, a
188:10 we could show a uh incremental change, a chain from land to whales, that we could
188:14 chain from land to whales, that we could say, "Yeah, this animal evolved into
188:16 say, "Yeah, this animal evolved into this animal. This animal evolved into
188:17 this animal. This animal evolved into this animal." That would be very
188:19 this animal." That would be very compelling, but that's not what we see.
188:23 compelling, but that's not what we see. >> I mean, it makes sense to mentally what
188:26 >> I mean, it makes sense to mentally what Forest just described to you, though.
188:27 Forest just described to you, though. Like you I know you you might not have
188:29 Like you I know you you might not have had the whiteboard so maybe you didn't
188:31 had the whiteboard so maybe you didn't write it down but like Indohyas is a
188:33 write it down but like Indohyas is a fully terrestrial hoofed mammal with the
188:36 fully terrestrial hoofed mammal with the inner ear ear of a modern whale. Then
188:39 inner ear ear of a modern whale. Then after Indohyas you have Pakisetus.
188:42 after Indohyas you have Pakisetus. Pachyetus is a sometimes aquatic but
188:44 Pachyetus is a sometimes aquatic but still capable of moving all around on
188:47 still capable of moving all around on the land fairly efficiently animal that
188:49 the land fairly efficiently animal that has the inner ear of a whale and still
188:52 has the inner ear of a whale and still the pulley system leg or ankle rather of
188:55 the pulley system leg or ankle rather of an ariodactyl. Then you have ambuletus
188:57 an ariodactyl. Then you have ambuletus which is next. This animal is not fully
189:00 which is next. This animal is not fully comfortable on the land. In fact, it
189:02 comfortable on the land. In fact, it probably only came on the land to give
189:03 probably only came on the land to give birth. Its hind limbs aren't nearly as
189:06 birth. Its hind limbs aren't nearly as flexible as what we saw prior with
189:08 flexible as what we saw prior with pachyetus. Ambulocetus is in a lot of
189:10 pachyetus. Ambulocetus is in a lot of ways like seals are in that it can get
189:12 ways like seals are in that it can get around on the land, but its hind limbs
189:14 around on the land, but its hind limbs are sort of locked in certain places.
189:16 are sort of locked in certain places. Right after ambulus, oh, and yet it
189:19 Right after ambulus, oh, and yet it still has the ankle of a of a deer and
189:21 still has the ankle of a of a deer and the inner ear of a modern whale. Then
189:23 the inner ear of a modern whale. Then you have roticetus. even more so, even
189:26 you have roticetus. even more so, even less comfortable on land, still has the
189:28 less comfortable on land, still has the ankle of a deer, still has the inner ear
189:30 ankle of a deer, still has the inner ear of a modern whale. We're starting to see
189:32 of a modern whale. We're starting to see the migration of some of those blow
189:34 the migration of some of those blow holes, right? Or or or nostrils moving
189:36 holes, right? Or or or nostrils moving up the skull as we look at these guys.
189:38 up the skull as we look at these guys. And as Forest says, we can take the
189:40 And as Forest says, we can take the isotopes, the stable isotopes of these
189:42 isotopes, the stable isotopes of these guys and watch in real time as their
189:45 guys and watch in real time as their bones transition from being something
189:48 bones transition from being something that is committed to the land to
189:49 that is committed to the land to something that spends a little bit of
189:50 something that spends a little bit of time in the water to something that
189:52 time in the water to something that spends almost its entire life in the
189:54 spends almost its entire life in the water to something that can never return
189:56 water to something that can never return to the land, something that you would
189:57 to the land, something that you would see in Dorodon or Basilosaurus. And yet
189:59 see in Dorodon or Basilosaurus. And yet Dorodon and Basilosaurus, Stevie, they
190:02 Dorodon and Basilosaurus, Stevie, they have the ankles of deer and they have
190:05 have the ankles of deer and they have the same inner ear that we saw in
190:07 the same inner ear that we saw in Indohyas. a fully committed landwelling
190:10 Indohyas. a fully committed landwelling animal. No other land dwelling animal
190:12 animal. No other land dwelling animal that we know of has that inner ear
190:15 that we know of has that inner ear except for Indohyas, except for
190:17 except for Indohyas, except for Pachicetus, except for ambuletus, except
190:19 Pachicetus, except for ambuletus, except for every subsequent exceedingly more
190:22 for every subsequent exceedingly more committed aquatic animal as we move very
190:25 committed aquatic animal as we move very specifically through geological time.
190:27 specifically through geological time. Now, if evolution is true, it needs to
190:30 Now, if evolution is true, it needs to be more than just that. As for said, we
190:32 be more than just that. As for said, we should also see that in their
190:33 should also see that in their development, and we do. Every modern
190:35 development, and we do. Every modern whale begins its life developing hind
190:38 whale begins its life developing hind limbs that are then reabsorbed except
190:40 limbs that are then reabsorbed except for when it isn't reabsorbed. And some
190:42 for when it isn't reabsorbed. And some whales are actually born with hind
190:44 whales are actually born with hind flippers that have the same architecture
190:46 flippers that have the same architecture as those earlier fossil whales. So
190:48 as those earlier fossil whales. So they're linked together not just
190:50 they're linked together not just conceptually in the fossil record,
190:52 conceptually in the fossil record, seeing the slow change over geological
190:54 seeing the slow change over geological time, every single step recorded, but
190:57 time, every single step recorded, but it's also recorded in their genes and in
190:59 it's also recorded in their genes and in their development. I have to ask you
191:01 their development. I have to ask you again, what would actually count? What
191:04 again, what would actually count? What in this whale transition is not
191:06 in this whale transition is not documented?
191:12 >> Well, well, like I said, I mean, for example, the sonar, like in the in the
191:15 example, the sonar, like in the in the whole list of I just looked it up in the
191:17 whole list of I just looked it up in the list that you guys listed out, literally
191:20 list that you guys listed out, literally none of them before the whale have
191:22 none of them before the whale have sonar. So, sonar just
191:24 sonar. So, sonar just >> What's the first whale
191:25 >> What's the first whale >> out of nowhere? Or
191:26 >> out of nowhere? Or >> what's the first?
191:28 >> what's the first? >> What's the first whale?
191:29 >> What's the first whale? >> Which one is the first whale?
191:31 >> Which one is the first whale? >> Let me see here. I I have an answer, but
191:34 >> Let me see here. I I have an answer, but you're not going to like it.
191:41 >> The pacetus pacetus, >> right? Which which just to be clear,
191:44 >> right? Which which just to be clear, >> it went it went from pacetus
191:46 >> it went it went from pacetus to ambulitus.
191:50 to ambulitus. >> Ambulocetus. It's it's always just put
191:52 >> Ambulocetus. It's it's always just put the word cedus means whale.
191:55 the word cedus means whale. >> Pac. So cetus means whale. So just use
191:58 >> Pac. So cetus means whale. So just use that. But remember pacetus which you
192:01 that. But remember pacetus which you just said is the first whale and I I I
192:03 just said is the first whale and I I I disagree. It's actually in the highest
192:04 disagree. It's actually in the highest strict speaking but like that pacetus
192:08 strict speaking but like that pacetus was a land animal. It w it had four
192:11 was a land animal. It w it had four legs. It walked upright.
192:14 legs. It walked upright. >> Right. Right. That's what I'm saying.
192:16 >> Right. Right. That's what I'm saying. That's the the transition. I I meant the
192:18 That's the the transition. I I meant the transition. That's the first one that
192:19 transition. That's the first one that you guys point to usually. But she just
192:22 you guys point to usually. But she just listed out a bunch of them. I don't
192:23 listed out a bunch of them. I don't remember them all by name, but like of
192:25 remember them all by name, but like of those that you listed out, how many of
192:26 those that you listed out, how many of them had sonar? Do you know?
192:29 them had sonar? Do you know? I thought you said you just brought it
192:31 I thought you said you just brought it up and you said that this was the first
192:32 up and you said that this was the first one to have sonar.
192:35 one to have sonar. >> That's what my research shows, but I
192:36 >> That's what my research shows, but I mean I don't know if y'all have
192:37 mean I don't know if y'all have something different.
192:39 something different. >> Which which species Which species was
192:41 >> Which which species Which species was the first to have sonar?
192:42 the first to have sonar? >> Which species by your research, Stevie,
192:44 >> Which species by your research, Stevie, was the first to have sonar?
192:46 was the first to have sonar? >> That's that's what I was asking.
192:49 >> That's that's what I was asking. >> The squaladon.
192:51 >> The squaladon. It's the one that says here.
192:53 It's the one that says here. >> Squaladon. Let me look up. Squalodon.
193:01 Yeah, >> here we go.
193:02 >> here we go. >> Extinct species is
193:03 >> Extinct species is >> extinct genus of whales from the igosine
193:06 >> extinct genus of whales from the igosine epox.
193:11 >> Yeah. And here what's interesting. If you take a look, Stevie, if you have
193:12 you take a look, Stevie, if you have that image in front of you, like take a
193:15 that image in front of you, like take a look at the position of the nasal
193:17 look at the position of the nasal aperture on that guy. The the blow holes
193:19 aperture on that guy. The the blow holes where they are, they're not up on top of
193:22 where they are, they're not up on top of the head yet. They're still forward
193:24 the head yet. They're still forward facing more or less between the eyes.
193:27 facing more or less between the eyes. Take a look at that long snout with
193:30 Take a look at that long snout with those, you know, sort of jaggedy little
193:32 those, you know, sort of jaggedy little teeth there. Every part of that looks an
193:35 teeth there. Every part of that looks an awful lot. Let me pull this back up. If
193:38 awful lot. Let me pull this back up. If you see your screen there, oh, that's
193:39 you see your screen there, oh, that's the wrong one. Sorry, that was that was
193:41 the wrong one. Sorry, that was that was the wrong starting screen. There we go.
193:43 the wrong starting screen. There we go. All of that falls in right around in
193:46 All of that falls in right around in here, right after Durodon. So, that's
193:49 here, right after Durodon. So, that's not what you would consider in a modern
193:50 not what you would consider in a modern whale. the position of that nasal
193:52 whale. the position of that nasal aperture looked a little bit in here. So
193:56 aperture looked a little bit in here. So that's still transitional between like
193:59 that's still transitional between like rotoceetus
194:00 rotoceetus or amloitus and modern whales that
194:03 or amloitus and modern whales that you're talking about right now.
194:06 you're talking about right now. >> Can you for
194:08 >> Can you for >> I don't know if you guys are showing Oh,
194:10 >> I don't know if you guys are showing Oh, go ahead.
194:10 go ahead. >> Hold on.
194:15 >> Can you please show Bassel source for me really quick? I was just checking
194:17 really quick? I was just checking something and now I'm ready to make my
194:19 something and now I'm ready to make my point.
194:21 point. Basilosaurus,
194:23 Basilosaurus, >> are you are you able to see the screen?
194:25 >> are you are you able to see the screen? If Forest pulls something up, will you
194:26 If Forest pulls something up, will you be able to see it?
194:28 be able to see it? >> I'm pulling up.
194:28 >> I'm pulling up. >> Yeah, right now I can see
194:31 >> Yeah, right now I can see a list of
194:32 a list of >> It should be.
194:34 >> It should be. >> Yeah, it's going to be a minute behind.
194:38 >> Yeah, it's going to be a minute behind. >> Force is going to pull up an animal
194:39 >> Force is going to pull up an animal called Basilosaurus. Um, I want to get
194:42 called Basilosaurus. Um, I want to get your opinion on Basilosaurus. And
194:44 your opinion on Basilosaurus. And actually, if you if you have
194:49 actually, if you if you have Yeah, I mean, you could do Basosaurus.
194:50 Yeah, I mean, you could do Basosaurus. You could do Doron, either one. Pick
194:53 You could do Doron, either one. Pick your poison for and I want to ask Stevie
194:56 your poison for and I want to ask Stevie um question about this guy. Yeah, that's
194:58 um question about this guy. Yeah, that's perfect.
194:59 perfect. >> Um Stevie, can you see the um species
195:03 >> Um Stevie, can you see the um species that are on your screen now?
195:07 that are on your screen now? >> There's a little bit of I think there's
195:08 >> There's a little bit of I think there's a delay.
195:10 a delay. >> It's a little bit of delay.
195:12 >> It's a little bit of delay. >> And then you're going to see three
195:14 >> And then you're going to see three critters on your screen. You're going to
195:15 critters on your screen. You're going to see an orca, modern killer whale, and
195:17 see an orca, modern killer whale, and then you're going to see two species.
195:20 then you're going to see two species. Okay, let me ask you a question. Um, are
195:22 Okay, let me ask you a question. Um, are those whales?
195:28 >> Um, specifically definition, but they they
195:30 specifically definition, but they they look similar to whales. Yeah.
195:33 look similar to whales. Yeah. >> Okay. What do you think makes those guys
195:35 >> Okay. What do you think makes those guys whales?
195:41 >> I I I don't know. I don't know the definition of like how they
195:43 definition of like how they scientifically define it, but I mean
195:44 scientifically define it, but I mean they have the fin.
195:46 they have the fin. >> It looks like they both all three have
195:48 >> It looks like they both all three have like the top fin. They all have the big
195:49 like the top fin. They all have the big fin on the bottom on the back. I mean,
195:53 fin on the bottom on the back. I mean, >> and then the two fins in the front.
195:54 >> and then the two fins in the front. >> I'm
195:56 >> I'm with you on this. They have the body
195:58 with you on this. They have the body plan of a whale, right? You would
196:00 plan of a whale, right? You would consider those guys to be whales. They
196:02 consider those guys to be whales. They they I would consider them to be whales,
196:04 they I would consider them to be whales, too. Here's what's neat about those.
196:06 too. Here's what's neat about those. They don't have a melon organ. Dorodon
196:09 They don't have a melon organ. Dorodon and Basilosaurus don't have the ability
196:11 and Basilosaurus don't have the ability to echolocate like modern whales do.
196:14 to echolocate like modern whales do. These guys lived before um or were
196:17 These guys lived before um or were branched off from from a last common
196:18 branched off from from a last common ancestor that lived before Squaladon who
196:21 ancestor that lived before Squaladon who you mentioned earlier. So if sonar is
196:24 you mentioned earlier. So if sonar is what defines a whale and you have to
196:27 what defines a whale and you have to have sonar in order to be a whale, then
196:30 have sonar in order to be a whale, then these guys are not whales. But when you
196:32 these guys are not whales. But when you look at them, they're very clearly
196:33 look at them, they're very clearly whales. I I don't think that anybody
196:35 whales. I I don't think that anybody would contest you on that. Now, what
196:38 would contest you on that. Now, what that would mean is that sonar as you
196:40 that would mean is that sonar as you conceive of it as characteristic of all
196:42 conceive of it as characteristic of all of modern whales is something that
196:44 of modern whales is something that evolves pretty late. But if you use that
196:46 evolves pretty late. But if you use that to define a whale specifically and you
196:48 to define a whale specifically and you consider that to be a complete body
196:50 consider that to be a complete body change um a complete evolution of a new
196:53 change um a complete evolution of a new body plan of a new system, then you have
196:56 body plan of a new system, then you have to exclude Basilosaurus, you have to
196:57 to exclude Basilosaurus, you have to exclude Dorodon, you have to exclude a
196:59 exclude Dorodon, you have to exclude a whole bunch of fossil whales that are
197:02 whole bunch of fossil whales that are clearly whales. And I think that's
197:04 clearly whales. And I think that's important because what we were talking
197:06 important because what we were talking about earlier at the beginning of this
197:08 about earlier at the beginning of this call was a change in body plan. And then
197:11 call was a change in body plan. And then when Forest and I showed you the change
197:13 when Forest and I showed you the change in body plan, you switched to talking
197:15 in body plan, you switched to talking about sonar as being what defines a
197:17 about sonar as being what defines a whale. But the body plan has already
197:20 whale. But the body plan has already completely been established by
197:22 completely been established by Basilosaurus and Dorodon. Really the
197:24 Basilosaurus and Dorodon. Really the reverse of that. Meaning that if you
197:26 reverse of that. Meaning that if you want to use sonar to establish um a new
197:28 want to use sonar to establish um a new body plan for whales, a lot of things
197:30 body plan for whales, a lot of things that are whales by every creationist
197:32 that are whales by every creationist that I've talked to at least definition,
197:35 that I've talked to at least definition, those are no longer whales. So I have to
197:37 those are no longer whales. So I have to ask now again, what is it that actually
197:40 ask now again, what is it that actually defines a whale? What is the
197:42 defines a whale? What is the insurmountable barrier that cannot
197:44 insurmountable barrier that cannot evolve for these guys?
197:48 evolve for these guys? >> Yeah, but my my argument is not how we
197:50 >> Yeah, but my my argument is not how we define a whale. My argument is that
197:52 define a whale. My argument is that modern whales have sonar. And where did
197:55 modern whales have sonar. And where did that sonar come from? Because it's not
197:57 that sonar come from? Because it's not clear,
197:58 clear, >> but
197:58 >> but >> that there's a continuous
198:02 >> that there's a continuous >> progression. I'm sorry. I'm
198:04 >> progression. I'm sorry. I'm >> Stevie, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but
198:06 >> Stevie, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but like what you have there is a question
198:08 like what you have there is a question >> and that's a great question. Where does
198:10 >> and that's a great question. Where does sonar come from? It doesn't get you away
198:13 sonar come from? It doesn't get you away from everything else we just showed you.
198:16 from everything else we just showed you. What we've got with that question is
198:18 What we've got with that question is okay clearly over the course of tens of
198:20 okay clearly over the course of tens of millions of years land animals became
198:24 millions of years land animals became sea animals. Land animals evolved into
198:26 sea animals. Land animals evolved into sea animals. They got shorter and
198:27 sea animals. They got shorter and shorter hind limbs, longer and longer
198:29 shorter hind limbs, longer and longer bodies, longer and longer snouts. Their
198:31 bodies, longer and longer snouts. Their nasal apertures moved. Like all these
198:34 nasal apertures moved. Like all these things clearly happened and somewhere
198:36 things clearly happened and somewhere along the line they got sonar. We don't
198:38 along the line they got sonar. We don't know where yet. At no in no way does not
198:43 know where yet. At no in no way does not knowing where sonar came from invalidate
198:46 knowing where sonar came from invalidate everything else that you just saw. By
198:49 everything else that you just saw. By the way, really quickly, totally off
198:50 the way, really quickly, totally off topic. I just want to shout out. I put
198:52 topic. I just want to shout out. I put this picture on the screen. Totally
198:54 this picture on the screen. Totally accidentally. I did not realize I was
198:56 accidentally. I did not realize I was grabbing it, but I grabbed one by this
198:58 grabbing it, but I grabbed one by this guy here, Abdullah Gohar. Super [ __ ]
199:00 guy here, Abdullah Gohar. Super [ __ ] awesome dude. We went to grad school
199:02 awesome dude. We went to grad school together and he we he came and chilled
199:04 together and he we he came and chilled on my couch and I terrified him by
199:06 on my couch and I terrified him by teaching him what Waffle House is
199:07 teaching him what Waffle House is because he's this super nice Egyptian
199:09 because he's this super nice Egyptian dude who has discovered two species of
199:12 dude who has discovered two species of fossil whales. By the way, super cool
199:14 fossil whales. By the way, super cool guy.
199:14 guy. >> Forest. Forest. Hold on. I I'm really
199:16 >> Forest. Forest. Hold on. I I'm really sorry to interrupt, but I just learned
199:18 sorry to interrupt, but I just learned something new and this
199:19 something new and this >> this is really important.
199:21 >> this is really important. >> Stevie. Yeah.
199:22 >> Stevie. Yeah. >> Not all whales actually echolocate.
199:25 >> Not all whales actually echolocate. >> In fact, alien whales don't echolocate.
199:28 >> In fact, alien whales don't echolocate. They actually find their mystic seats
199:30 They actually find their mystic seats find their prey not using echolocating.
199:33 find their prey not using echolocating. So if you want to use the evolution of
199:35 So if you want to use the evolution of sonar and the lack of a transitional
199:38 sonar and the lack of a transitional species for a soft tissue like a melon,
199:41 species for a soft tissue like a melon, then what you have is that the evolution
199:43 then what you have is that the evolution of mystic whales we have phenomenal
199:46 of mystic whales we have phenomenal evolutionary fossil record support for.
199:49 evolutionary fossil record support for. But we're missing a transitional fossil
199:51 But we're missing a transitional fossil that links Yeah. that links the dolphins
199:53 that links Yeah. that links the dolphins and the killer whales to the rest of the
199:55 and the killer whales to the rest of the whales.
199:56 whales. Do you see what I'm saying? So I that's
199:59 Do you see what I'm saying? So I that's not that's actually not going to work
200:01 not that's actually not going to work either.
200:03 either. >> You see? Yeah. But again, that doesn't
200:05 >> You see? Yeah. But again, that doesn't solve where the where the sonar came
200:07 solve where the where the sonar came from. But beyond that, like if we look
200:10 from. But beyond that, like if we look at music, like all music has notes,
200:12 at music, like all music has notes, right? And that you can you can have
200:15 right? And that you can you can have different songs, different uh but
200:18 different songs, different uh but they're all using the base of that like
200:20 they're all using the base of that like the foundation of that is the music
200:22 the foundation of that is the music notes themselves.
200:24 notes themselves. Isn't it possible that that a designer
200:27 Isn't it possible that that a designer could design these animals?
200:30 could design these animals? >> Just give them something to look at.
200:41 Let me know when we're live or when we're going live.
200:50 Hello. >> Good news, Forest. Are we still live?
200:53 >> Good news, Forest. Are we still live? No, I don't think so. Wait. Oh, they
200:56 No, I don't think so. Wait. Oh, they know we're back. Yeah, they say they say
200:57 know we're back. Yeah, they say they say we're back. Yes, the the audience sees
200:58 we're back. Yes, the the audience sees us as well. We are live. Don't show
201:00 us as well. We are live. Don't show anything.
201:02 anything. >> Did we lose Stevie? He's coming back,
201:05 >> Did we lose Stevie? He's coming back, right?
201:06 right? >> Hopefully. So,
201:08 >> Hopefully. So, >> well, in the meantime, I pulled out my
201:11 >> well, in the meantime, I pulled out my walking whale textbook and I found a
201:14 walking whale textbook and I found a very handy dandy phogyny that shows the
201:17 very handy dandy phogyny that shows the evolution of all the traits linked to
201:19 evolution of all the traits linked to echolocation, where they emerged on the
201:22 echolocation, where they emerged on the whale family tree and um who they're who
201:26 whale family tree and um who they're who they exist in and who they don't exist
201:27 they exist in and who they don't exist in.
201:28 in. >> So, I'm really excited to show that when
201:30 >> So, I'm really excited to show that when he comes back.
201:32 he comes back. I had questions about about this issue
201:34 I had questions about about this issue because like I I found it interesting
201:36 because like I I found it interesting that that was what we were getting hung
201:37 that that was what we were getting hung up on where we went from there is
201:38 up on where we went from there is lackluster evidence to there is not
201:40 lackluster evidence to there is not compelling evidence for one very
201:43 compelling evidence for one very specific trait in one very specific
201:45 specific trait in one very specific lineage.
201:47 lineage. >> Except there is that's right.
201:49 >> Except there is that's right. >> Except there is but um yeah I hope we
201:51 >> Except there is but um yeah I hope we get him back.
201:52 get him back. >> I hope we get him back. Stevie, if
201:54 >> I hope we get him back. Stevie, if you're out there, please call back. He
201:55 you're out there, please call back. He waited for two hours and we had just
201:57 waited for two hours and we had just gotten into it and we were trying to let
201:59 gotten into it and we were trying to let you steer the conversation. You you
202:01 you steer the conversation. You you started out talking about how it may not
202:03 started out talking about how it may not be fair. We were trying to let you be
202:05 be fair. We were trying to let you be the dictator of like where we went. We
202:07 the dictator of like where we went. We were trying to go through you. You want
202:09 were trying to go through you. You want to talk about this or that. It looks
202:11 to talk about this or that. It looks like we may have Stevie in the call in
202:12 like we may have Stevie in the call in queue.
202:14 queue. We may have him. In the meantime, I just
202:16 We may have him. In the meantime, I just went and got I stepped away from one
202:18 went and got I stepped away from one [ __ ] second and you people broke the
202:20 [ __ ] second and you people broke the stream. Um
202:21 stream. Um >> it turns out you were the infinity stone
202:23 >> it turns out you were the infinity stone keeping the [ __ ] stream together. So
202:26 keeping the [ __ ] stream together. So >> I got this crispy tofu. It's so crisp
202:29 >> I got this crispy tofu. It's so crisp and so good. If I can just add that.
202:33 and so good. If I can just add that. >> I am not because right next to crispy
202:35 >> I am not because right next to crispy tofu I have this braised pork belly and
202:38 tofu I have this braised pork belly and quail eggs which I will be dipping the
202:40 quail eggs which I will be dipping the crispy tofu into.
202:43 crispy tofu into. >> I was just curious. I'm eating um the
202:46 >> I was just curious. I'm eating um the same gigantic bowl of blueberries that
202:48 same gigantic bowl of blueberries that I've been eating the whole stream.
202:50 I've been eating the whole stream. >> Oh, dude.
202:51 >> Oh, dude. >> I'm on a um
202:52 >> I'm on a um >> you got a
202:52 >> you got a >> I'm on a fruit picker. No,
202:55 >> I'm on a fruit picker. No, >> you got to visit visit Broken Arrow,
202:57 >> you got to visit visit Broken Arrow, Oklahoma sometime. It's right outside of
202:59 Oklahoma sometime. It's right outside of Tulsa and every summer there's a place
203:01 Tulsa and every summer there's a place called Thunderbird Berry Farm. Um, and
203:04 called Thunderbird Berry Farm. Um, and they just it's this massive blueberry
203:05 they just it's this massive blueberry farm in Broken Arrow and they have every
203:08 farm in Broken Arrow and they have every June when the blueberries come in, you
203:10 June when the blueberries come in, you can do this thing where you go and pick
203:12 can do this thing where you go and pick as many as you want and you either pay
203:14 as many as you want and you either pay like by the pound or they used to do a
203:17 like by the pound or they used to do a thing called shareberry where you like
203:19 thing called shareberry where you like gave them half of the berries that you
203:21 gave them half of the berries that you picked and that you got to keep the
203:22 picked and that you got to keep the other half for free. Um, but now they do
203:24 other half for free. Um, but now they do it by the pound and like
203:26 it by the pound and like >> dude, I go there every year and I will
203:29 >> dude, I go there every year and I will come away with, no joke, like 12 pounds
203:31 come away with, no joke, like 12 pounds of blueberries for like 60 bucks. It's
203:33 of blueberries for like 60 bucks. It's insane.
203:34 insane. >> I am I'm a freak for some blueberries.
203:36 >> I am I'm a freak for some blueberries. And I grew up in Indiana, so we used to
203:38 And I grew up in Indiana, so we used to drive up to Lake Michigan and pick
203:39 drive up to Lake Michigan and pick blueberries around Lake Michigan
203:40 blueberries around Lake Michigan whenever blueberries were in season.
203:43 whenever blueberries were in season. >> And that was so much fun. And we'd eat
203:46 >> And that was so much fun. And we'd eat on this box of blueberries forever. The
203:47 on this box of blueberries forever. The only problem is like they actually just
203:49 only problem is like they actually just rot faster than you can eat all of them
203:51 rot faster than you can eat all of them because there's so many of them. I love
203:53 because there's so many of them. I love a berry, dude. I'm a freak for a berry.
204:04 >> Stevie, you're back. >> How's it going, guys? I'm back.
204:06 >> How's it going, guys? I'm back. >> Hey, Stevie. Sorry, we lost. There was a
204:08 >> Hey, Stevie. Sorry, we lost. There was a power outage and it kicked everybody,
204:09 power outage and it kicked everybody, including us.
204:11 including us. >> Okay, so really quick, I
204:13 >> Okay, so really quick, I >> I walked away for just a second, but
204:15 >> I walked away for just a second, but what I heard was we went over the
204:18 what I heard was we went over the evolution of whales. you said, but there
204:20 evolution of whales. you said, but there isn't a clear history of specifically
204:23 isn't a clear history of specifically sonar. I have a question for you really
204:25 sonar. I have a question for you really quickly and then Erica has a thing. I
204:27 quickly and then Erica has a thing. I know I or or do you want to go first,
204:29 know I or or do you want to go first, Eric? Because my question is a little
204:30 Eric? Because my question is a little bit different anyway. In fact, you know
204:32 bit different anyway. In fact, you know what?
204:33 what? >> Is there any way that
204:35 >> Is there any way that is there any way that I can like because
204:37 is there any way that I can like because I was talking before it cut off and then
204:40 I was talking before it cut off and then >> he was he was talking before cut off.
204:42 >> he was he was talking before cut off. >> You go first.
204:43 >> You go first. >> Yeah. Jump back in.
204:45 >> Yeah. Jump back in. So what I was saying is like when I look
204:48 So what I was saying is like when I look at the evidence like I in my mind I
204:51 at the evidence like I in my mind I don't know if if you guys do this I I
204:53 don't know if if you guys do this I I know a lot of scientists don't but in my
204:55 know a lot of scientists don't but in my mind I look and see okay is this
204:58 mind I look and see okay is this evolution or or is it possible that
205:01 evolution or or is it possible that there's a common designer okay and I
205:04 there's a common designer okay and I look at both and I weigh them equally to
205:06 look at both and I weigh them equally to determine where the evidence takes me.
205:08 determine where the evidence takes me. And when I look at the evidence uh for
205:14 And when I look at the evidence uh for uh like you said this this supposed line
205:16 uh like you said this this supposed line of of from land to whale
205:20 of of from land to whale there's a lot of what seem to me are
205:24 there's a lot of what seem to me are gaps. Now maybe I'm wrong maybe you can
205:26 gaps. Now maybe I'm wrong maybe you can correct me on that but it seems like the
205:28 correct me on that but it seems like the ch like the animals that you're listing
205:30 ch like the animals that you're listing out in order for one to become the other
205:33 out in order for one to become the other there has to be a tremendous amount of
205:35 there has to be a tremendous amount of changes in between. And I don't see a a
205:39 changes in between. And I don't see a a incremental
205:41 incremental uh line going from from that to whale.
205:44 uh line going from from that to whale. Not only that, but as I explained with
205:47 Not only that, but as I explained with echolocation, regardless of how many
205:49 echolocation, regardless of how many whales got have echolocation, that still
205:52 whales got have echolocation, that still has to come from somewhere. So, I'm not
205:53 has to come from somewhere. So, I'm not sure if your response to that is that uh
205:58 sure if your response to that is that uh we just don't know. We don't know
206:00 we just don't know. We don't know exactly where it all came from or if
206:03 exactly where it all came from or if you're saying that it did evolve. If so,
206:06 you're saying that it did evolve. If so, Where did it evolve from? What's the
206:08 Where did it evolve from? What's the evidence for that? You know what I mean?
206:09 evidence for that? You know what I mean? And then the other point that I was
206:10 And then the other point that I was making before
206:16 >> Sorry. Go ahead. >> And I I have one quick question for you.
206:17 >> And I I have one quick question for you. >> Yeah. The other point I was trying to
206:19 >> Yeah. The other point I was trying to make before it got cut off was that uh
206:24 make before it got cut off was that uh you know if is it possible that God
206:26 you know if is it possible that God designed
206:28 designed uh these creatures so that they have the
206:31 uh these creatures so that they have the they have the variation to adapt. Um,
206:35 they have the variation to adapt. Um, and so isn't it possible just like with
206:37 and so isn't it possible just like with music, how music has like every form of
206:41 music, how music has like every form of music uses music notes. That's how
206:44 music uses music notes. That's how that's how that's the foundation of
206:45 that's how that's the foundation of music. And it doesn't matter what song,
206:48 music. And it doesn't matter what song, it doesn't matter how different the
206:49 it doesn't matter how different the songs are, that is the foundation. So,
206:51 songs are, that is the foundation. So, isn't it possible that God could the
206:56 isn't it possible that God could the common designer, you know, that that
206:58 common designer, you know, that that there's similarities because there's a
207:00 there's similarities because there's a common designer. You know, if I if I buy
207:02 common designer. You know, if I if I buy a Toyota and I have a 4Runner, a Toyota
207:04 a Toyota and I have a 4Runner, a Toyota Ram, I'm sorry, a Toyota uh something
207:07 Ram, I'm sorry, a Toyota uh something Toyota and a and a 4Runner, there's
207:10 Toyota and a and a 4Runner, there's going to be similarities there because
207:12 going to be similarities there because it's it's the same designer. Does that
207:14 it's it's the same designer. Does that make sense?
207:16 make sense? >> I I'm totally with you, Stevie, and I
207:18 >> I I'm totally with you, Stevie, and I hear you. There are a couple issues with
207:20 hear you. There are a couple issues with that. Um the first is that you have to
207:23 that. Um the first is that you have to have a scientific means by which to
207:26 have a scientific means by which to determine what is design and what is
207:29 determine what is design and what is disscent. And the reason I say that is
207:31 disscent. And the reason I say that is because I don't think you would disagree
207:33 because I don't think you would disagree that all dogs are actually related to
207:35 that all dogs are actually related to one another. Right? We know that. We
207:37 one another. Right? We know that. We watched it happen, right? We've actually
207:39 watched it happen, right? We've actually bred all of the dog breeds out from a
207:41 bred all of the dog breeds out from a common ancestor in the form of a wolf,
207:44 common ancestor in the form of a wolf, right? We know that they actually did
207:46 right? We know that they actually did descend from one another in an ancestor
207:48 descend from one another in an ancestor descendant relationship. that's not
207:50 descendant relationship. that's not controversial. So I know that you as a
207:52 controversial. So I know that you as a creationist and that all creationists
207:55 creationist and that all creationists accept common descent to some degree
207:57 accept common descent to some degree whether that's within species or within
207:59 whether that's within species or within genera or within families is up for
208:01 genera or within families is up for debate. But there is some amount of
208:03 debate. But there is some amount of variation that is due to descent. The
208:05 variation that is due to descent. The problem with your common designer
208:07 problem with your common designer hypothesis is that it is impossible to
208:09 hypothesis is that it is impossible to tell where common dissent begins and
208:13 tell where common dissent begins and common design ends.
208:16 common design ends. >> Right? So you you have an incapability.
208:18 >> Right? So you you have an incapability. This is what makes intelligent design
208:20 This is what makes intelligent design and creationism
208:22 and creationism because there's no way for creationism
208:25 because there's no way for creationism to say okay this amount of change is the
208:28 to say okay this amount of change is the result of common design. God designed
208:30 result of common design. God designed the whales and he designed Indohyas and
208:32 the whales and he designed Indohyas and he designed Pakisetus and he designed
208:34 he designed Pakisetus and he designed Orodon and he designed the dogs and the
208:36 Orodon and he designed the dogs and the cats etc. But then within those groups
208:39 cats etc. But then within those groups he allowed them to descent with
208:40 he allowed them to descent with modification. Descend with modification
208:42 modification. Descend with modification as they evolved. Right? So that's
208:45 as they evolved. Right? So that's problem number one. Problem number two
208:48 problem number one. Problem number two is that it's also indistinguishable from
208:51 is that it's also indistinguishable from evolutionary theory. Evolution makes a
208:53 evolutionary theory. Evolution makes a very clear prediction, right, of what we
208:55 very clear prediction, right, of what we should see and how that should play out.
208:58 should see and how that should play out. We can test that prediction and over and
209:01 We can test that prediction and over and over and over again without exception.
209:04 over and over again without exception. Our expectations meet evolutionary
209:07 Our expectations meet evolutionary theory. So what you're arguing for is
209:09 theory. So what you're arguing for is okay, maybe it does look like exactly
209:12 okay, maybe it does look like exactly like what we would expect for evolution,
209:13 like what we would expect for evolution, but isn't it possible there's another
209:14 but isn't it possible there's another explanation that just looks like
209:16 explanation that just looks like evolution? And it's like, well, okay,
209:18 evolution? And it's like, well, okay, yeah, that's possible, but you have to
209:20 yeah, that's possible, but you have to have a way scientifically to determine
209:22 have a way scientifically to determine what is the result of evolution and what
209:24 what is the result of evolution and what is the result of common design. You
209:26 is the result of common design. You can't just say, well, what if God did it
209:27 can't just say, well, what if God did it that way? Well, I guess you can, but
209:29 that way? Well, I guess you can, but it's not scientific. And the very last
209:30 it's not scientific. And the very last thing I'll say is while we had the
209:32 thing I'll say is while we had the outage, what I did is I went and got my
209:35 outage, what I did is I went and got my walking whales textbook by um uh Duison,
209:39 walking whales textbook by um uh Duison, who's like a a whale evolution guy. And
209:41 who's like a a whale evolution guy. And I looked in the back to find
209:42 I looked in the back to find echolocation. And there is an entire
209:45 echolocation. And there is an entire fogyny in this bad boy that specifically
209:47 fogyny in this bad boy that specifically goes through the physical
209:48 goes through the physical characteristics that are linked to
209:50 characteristics that are linked to echolocation because the melon organ
209:52 echolocation because the melon organ doesn't fossilize because it's soft
209:53 doesn't fossilize because it's soft tissue. But physical characteristics
209:55 tissue. But physical characteristics that are associated with echolocation
209:58 that are associated with echolocation and only echolocation do preserve like
210:01 and only echolocation do preserve like bony characteristics. And this shows us
210:04 bony characteristics. And this shows us the evolution of exactly what you were
210:06 the evolution of exactly what you were you were asking for sonar in these
210:08 you were asking for sonar in these extinct whales. Um and then also how
210:11 extinct whales. Um and then also how they differentiate uh at mystici versus
210:14 they differentiate uh at mystici versus odonttoidi. So we actually do have the
210:16 odonttoidi. So we actually do have the evolution of also sonar 2 as you asked
210:20 evolution of also sonar 2 as you asked for. So that's that's what I got for
210:22 for. So that's that's what I got for those three things. Um
210:23 those three things. Um >> but those are all whales correct or are
210:25 >> but those are all whales correct or are are those u
210:27 are those u >> other species leading up to whales.
210:30 >> other species leading up to whales. >> This fogyny includes everything from
210:32 >> This fogyny includes everything from endohyas all the way up to the split
210:34 endohyas all the way up to the split between odonttoidi and mistiti. So it
210:36 between odonttoidi and mistiti. So it has um Indohyas here, Pacita here,
210:40 has um Indohyas here, Pacita here, Ambula day here, Remington day here,
210:42 Ambula day here, Remington day here, protocay here, baselora day here,
210:45 protocay here, baselora day here, odontoi and mistici. And it's on page
210:49 odontoi and mistici. And it's on page 141. And actually the bits before and
210:51 141. And actually the bits before and after it go through explaining what
210:53 after it go through explaining what those physical characteristics are and
210:55 those physical characteristics are and how we know they're related to
210:57 how we know they're related to echolocation today.
210:59 echolocation today. >> Strictly speaking, those are all whales,
211:00 >> Strictly speaking, those are all whales, but not the way you classify them,
211:03 but not the way you classify them, >> right?
211:05 >> right? But you you do acknowledge there's some
211:07 But you you do acknowledge there's some interpretation in there, right?
211:10 interpretation in there, right? >> So just to be clear, Stevie, we
211:13 >> So just to be clear, Stevie, we >> we we said you said there is no good
211:16 >> we we said you said there is no good evidence for this.
211:18 evidence for this. >> We gave you a thorough breakdown of the
211:21 >> We gave you a thorough breakdown of the fossil record and and all these
211:23 fossil record and and all these homologies and all these different lines
211:24 homologies and all these different lines of evidence all showing the evolution of
211:26 of evidence all showing the evolution of whales. And you said, "But they can't
211:29 whales. And you said, "But they can't explain sonar, so I don't buy it." Now
211:32 explain sonar, so I don't buy it." Now we've explained sonar and now you've
211:34 we've explained sonar and now you've moved to the next thing like where is
211:38 moved to the next thing like where is the po Erica I asked you this earlier
211:40 the po Erica I asked you this earlier >> where is the point you would say
211:43 >> where is the point you would say >> go ahead
211:43 >> go ahead >> where is the point where you would say
211:46 >> where is the point where you would say this is now where I can say evolution is
211:48 this is now where I can say evolution is real if I can see X then evolution is
211:51 real if I can see X then evolution is real
211:53 real >> well can you do me a favor I asked this
211:54 >> well can you do me a favor I asked this before it cut out but can you pull up
211:56 before it cut out but can you pull up that list of the of the the uh the chart
212:00 that list of the of the the uh the chart that you had that showed from land to
212:01 that you had that showed from land to whale Are you able to pull that up?
212:03 whale Are you able to pull that up? >> You're talking about this one. This is a
212:06 >> You're talking about this one. This is a cllayoggram of whale evolution. It's not
212:09 cllayoggram of whale evolution. It's not complete by any means.
212:11 complete by any means. >> Yeah, that's actually some of the
212:13 >> Yeah, that's actually some of the families that I just mentioned. There's
212:14 families that I just mentioned. There's no Remington acet. There's no progress
212:16 no Remington acet. There's no progress today.
212:17 today. >> Yeah.
212:17 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. This is a very simplified
212:20 >> Yeah. This is a very simplified >> showing of of like whale clarin.
212:24 >> showing of of like whale clarin. >> So that is not in other words those did
212:26 >> So that is not in other words those did not evolve into one another directly.
212:28 not evolve into one another directly. Correct.
212:30 Correct. So the way you read a cla
212:33 So the way you read a cla >> yes the way you read a cllayoggram here
212:35 >> yes the way you read a cllayoggram here you have this split
212:38 you have this split >> and where they connect is called a node.
212:41 >> and where they connect is called a node. Those nodes indicate common ancestry. So
212:45 Those nodes indicate common ancestry. So here we have indohyas and here we have
212:47 here we have indohyas and here we have pacetus. Pacetus did not evolve from
212:50 pacetus. Pacetus did not evolve from this indohyas. Here's this ancestor here
212:53 this indohyas. Here's this ancestor here where we have Indohyas and all these
212:54 where we have Indohyas and all these guys here and then these guys split off
212:56 guys here and then these guys split off and here we have Pakitus here and these
212:58 and here we have Pakitus here and these guys split off and here we have
212:59 guys split off and here we have ambulcitus here. So like you can put
213:01 ambulcitus here. So like you can put these in line showing that this shows
213:04 these in line showing that this shows the transition. It's not necessarily
213:07 the transition. It's not necessarily saying that this guy literally gave
213:10 saying that this guy literally gave birth to this guy literally gave birth
213:12 birth to this guy literally gave birth to this guy. Um you could very easy it's
213:15 to this guy. Um you could very easy it's arranged this way for convenience so you
213:17 arranged this way for convenience so you can see it but you could take these
213:19 can see it but you could take these nodes and spin them. You could uh rotate
213:22 nodes and spin them. You could uh rotate any of these nodes. It would mean the
213:24 any of these nodes. It would mean the same thing. This is just showing when
213:26 same thing. This is just showing when these guys lived in time and what
213:28 these guys lived in time and what they're related to. That's what this
213:30 they're related to. That's what this cliogram is showing.
213:33 cliogram is showing. >> Okay. Well, I'm definitely open to
213:35 >> Okay. Well, I'm definitely open to looking into this further. Um, you know,
213:37 looking into this further. Um, you know, I I am skeptical, but uh I I will uh
213:41 I I am skeptical, but uh I I will uh >> I I didn't mean to hit that button. I
213:43 >> I I didn't mean to hit that button. I was close. I was trying to get back to
213:44 was close. I was trying to get back to the main stage and I hit the wrong
213:45 the main stage and I hit the wrong button. I'm sorry.
213:47 button. I'm sorry. >> No, it's all right. I am skeptical but I
213:49 >> No, it's all right. I am skeptical but I will look it in and I am seeking the
213:51 will look it in and I am seeking the truth. So that is uh something I will
213:53 truth. So that is uh something I will look into. Uh just like I uh I did look
213:56 look into. Uh just like I uh I did look into the genetic entropy uh that we
213:59 into the genetic entropy uh that we talked about before Erica and I did I
214:02 talked about before Erica and I did I did end up reading through some of the
214:04 did end up reading through some of the paper that you had recommended at the
214:06 paper that you had recommended at the end of that video and I kind of feel
214:08 end of that video and I kind of feel like mathematically the entropy is
214:12 like mathematically the entropy is doesn't make sense and so I have backed
214:14 doesn't make sense and so I have backed off that issue. So, I will look at this
214:15 off that issue. So, I will look at this and see if you know if there's anything
214:18 and see if you know if there's anything more and perhaps I can call back
214:20 more and perhaps I can call back >> and uh look into and we could talk more
214:23 >> and uh look into and we could talk more about the
214:24 about the >> specity of the different fossils and why
214:27 >> specity of the different fossils and why or why it does or does not
214:30 or why it does or does not >> uh you know point towards evolution. The
214:32 >> uh you know point towards evolution. The other question I had was that uh is
214:36 other question I had was that uh is there anything any evidence that you
214:38 there anything any evidence that you guys mentioned that points away from or
214:43 guys mentioned that points away from or I should say I'm have to be careful how
214:44 I should say I'm have to be careful how I phrase this but is there anything that
214:46 I phrase this but is there anything that kind of points
214:49 kind of points away from common design
214:51 away from common design >> and towards evolution like is there
214:54 >> and towards evolution like is there anything that says like
214:56 anything that says like >> this doesn't make sense with common
214:57 >> this doesn't make sense with common design. So, so what I what I need you to
215:00 design. So, so what I what I need you to understand here and so first of all,
215:02 understand here and so first of all, yes, I can do that. But what's more
215:03 yes, I can do that. But what's more important is
215:05 important is >> I want you just to look at like what
215:07 >> I want you just to look at like what we're talking about here. Earlier on,
215:08 we're talking about here. Earlier on, Erica was really really good about
215:10 Erica was really really good about saying if evolution is true, then we
215:13 saying if evolution is true, then we need to be able to break this down. We
215:14 need to be able to break this down. We need to make a make a prediction.
215:17 need to make a make a prediction. We need to have mechanisms that we can
215:18 We need to have mechanisms that we can show and we need to be able to go gather
215:21 show and we need to be able to go gather evidence that point in this direction.
215:24 evidence that point in this direction. Can you do that or common design? Can
215:27 Can you do that or common design? Can you say here is what I would expect to
215:29 you say here is what I would expect to see if common design is real? Here's the
215:31 see if common design is real? Here's the mechanisms by which common design works
215:34 mechanisms by which common design works and now I can go out and I can test it
215:36 and now I can go out and I can test it and I can find evidence for it. Is that
215:38 and I can find evidence for it. Is that something you can do for common design
215:39 something you can do for common design or is common design simply things look
215:43 or is common design simply things look similar so a guy probably made them that
215:45 similar so a guy probably made them that way?
215:52 Um, I think maybe within reason, but I don't think that uh, you know, I don't
215:54 don't think that uh, you know, I don't think that uh, you're going to be able
215:56 think that uh, you're going to be able to definitively say, you know,
215:58 to definitively say, you know, definitively prove, okay, this is common
216:01 definitively prove, okay, this is common design or definitively prove this is uh,
216:05 design or definitively prove this is uh, evolution. Uh, because there is some
216:07 evolution. Uh, because there is some speculation and there is some
216:09 speculation and there is some interpretation there. And to be honest
216:12 interpretation there. And to be honest with you, this is this is the issue.
216:14 with you, this is this is the issue. >> I I'd probably be very rich if I could
216:16 >> I I'd probably be very rich if I could do that,
216:17 do that, >> right? But that that's that's exactly
216:18 >> right? But that that's that's exactly the issue is that when we talk about
216:20 the issue is that when we talk about evolution, we're not like you you use
216:23 evolution, we're not like you you use the term interpretation and like yeah,
216:25 the term interpretation and like yeah, there's interpretation in all of
216:26 there's interpretation in all of science, but the way that creationists
216:28 science, but the way that creationists use the word interpretation is to make
216:30 use the word interpretation is to make it sound like we're just kind of
216:31 it sound like we're just kind of guessing or like we're make we're
216:33 guessing or like we're make we're squeezing this to fit our narrative.
216:36 squeezing this to fit our narrative. The reality here is that like we're what
216:39 The reality here is that like we're what we're looking at is just the evidence
216:41 we're looking at is just the evidence clear on the ground and we're building
216:43 clear on the ground and we're building up to an argument to a conclusion and
216:46 up to an argument to a conclusion and then we're testing that conclusion and
216:48 then we're testing that conclusion and we're saying okay well if this is true
216:50 we're saying okay well if this is true then we should see this and we go and
216:52 then we should see this and we go and look and we find it we make novel
216:53 look and we find it we make novel testable predictions that come true when
216:56 testable predictions that come true when we when we test our theories intelligent
216:59 we when we test our theories intelligent design common designer all this you
217:02 design common designer all this you can't do that all you can do is look at
217:06 can't do that all you can do is look at the evidence in front of you and say
217:07 the evidence in front of you and say that's because God you you can't there's
217:10 that's because God you you can't there's no explanatory power. There's no
217:13 no explanatory power. There's no mechanism.
217:15 mechanism. There's no tests you can possibly run
217:17 There's no tests you can possibly run with evolution.
217:19 with evolution. There was one great example um was the
217:22 There was one great example um was the lizards off the coast of Croatia back in
217:24 lizards off the coast of Croatia back in the 19 I believe7s. Um so some
217:27 the 19 I believe7s. Um so some scientists took a these two two islands
217:29 scientists took a these two two islands off the coast of Croatia which I'm going
217:31 off the coast of Croatia which I'm going to mispronounce. One was called Pod
217:32 to mispronounce. One was called Pod Marcaru, one was called Pod Copiste. On
217:34 Marcaru, one was called Pod Copiste. On Pab Maru, there were a bunch of lizards
217:36 Pab Maru, there were a bunch of lizards and a bunch of bugs that those lizards
217:38 and a bunch of bugs that those lizards were eating. On Pakopiste, there were no
217:40 were eating. On Pakopiste, there were no lizards and not a lot of bugs. So, some
217:42 lizards and not a lot of bugs. So, some scientists took a population of lizards
217:44 scientists took a population of lizards from the first island, put them on the
217:46 from the first island, put them on the second island, and left. And they came
217:48 second island, and left. And they came back 40 years later, took the lizards
217:51 back 40 years later, took the lizards that were on the second island,
217:52 that were on the second island, genetically tested them to prove that
217:54 genetically tested them to prove that they were the descendants of that
217:56 they were the descendants of that ancestral population, and they found
217:58 ancestral population, and they found they were the same ones. These lizards
218:00 they were the same ones. These lizards had been living on this island 40 years
218:02 had been living on this island 40 years and they had bigger, broader heads,
218:04 and they had bigger, broader heads, flatter heads, broad jaws, broad flat
218:07 flatter heads, broad jaws, broad flat teeth, and even new guts. They had
218:09 teeth, and even new guts. They had developed new parts to their intestines
218:12 developed new parts to their intestines all so that they could eat and digest
218:14 all so that they could eat and digest plants because there weren't enough bugs
218:16 plants because there weren't enough bugs for them to eat. So for 40 years, these
218:18 for them to eat. So for 40 years, these lizards had evolved to eat plants and
218:21 lizards had evolved to eat plants and digest them. So that's a thing we can
218:23 digest them. So that's a thing we can test. If evolution is true, we should be
218:25 test. If evolution is true, we should be able to let it happen and see it happen.
218:27 able to let it happen and see it happen. And that's something we did see and we
218:29 And that's something we did see and we can do that in laboratory as well. The
218:31 can do that in laboratory as well. The Linsky long-term evolution experiment
218:33 Linsky long-term evolution experiment showing uh Ecoli evolving over time and
218:36 showing uh Ecoli evolving over time and they devol evolved the ability to digest
218:38 they devol evolved the ability to digest new materials. You even have different
218:40 new materials. You even have different strains, different populations in the
218:42 strains, different populations in the same flask where one evolves to eat the
218:44 same flask where one evolves to eat the waste of another one the same way that
218:47 waste of another one the same way that animals evolve to eat the waste of of
218:49 animals evolve to eat the waste of of photosynthetic organisms and or breathe
218:52 photosynthetic organisms and or breathe it I suppose, not eat it. But like this
218:54 it I suppose, not eat it. But like this this is this amazing back and forth that
218:56 this is this amazing back and forth that we can see in the laboratory and in the
218:59 we can see in the laboratory and in the field. We can make testable predictions
219:01 field. We can make testable predictions that we can then go out and run
219:02 that we can then go out and run experiments on and we can prove
219:05 experiments on and we can prove ourselves over and over.
219:07 ourselves over and over. Can you do that or anything even close
219:10 Can you do that or anything even close to that when looking for a common
219:12 to that when looking for a common designer? Can you say if there's a
219:14 designer? Can you say if there's a common designer I can do this and I can
219:17 common designer I can do this and I can use this to pro and here's the
219:18 use this to pro and here's the mechanisms of common design. Here's how
219:20 mechanisms of common design. Here's how common design works. here's the ways in
219:22 common design works. here's the ways in which it it creates new things. Can you
219:24 which it it creates new things. Can you do any of those things?
219:31 >> Well, to be clear, you guys believe evolution is true. My claim was not that
219:35 evolution is true. My claim was not that creationism was true. My claim was that
219:37 creationism was true. My claim was that there wasn't enough evidence that the
219:39 there wasn't enough evidence that the evidence wasn't compelling. But
219:41 evidence wasn't compelling. But everything that you just pointed to, uh,
219:44 everything that you just pointed to, uh, forest, uh, the the the geckos or the
219:47 forest, uh, the the the geckos or the lizards, and then the, uh, the other
219:51 lizards, and then the, uh, the other example to me, that's that's more
219:54 example to me, that's that's more adaptation. That's not we're not really
219:56 adaptation. That's not we're not really seeing a change of body plan. And let's
219:58 seeing a change of body plan. And let's just say I'm let's just say I grant this
220:00 just say I'm let's just say I grant this to you and I say, you know what, the
220:02 to you and I say, you know what, the evidence for land to whale is stronger
220:05 evidence for land to whale is stronger for evolution than it is for design.
220:09 for evolution than it is for design. Why is it that we don't see evolution
220:12 Why is it that we don't see evolution in terms of the way that I defined it at
220:14 in terms of the way that I defined it at the beginning of this discussion uh on
220:17 the beginning of this discussion uh on the the microorganism level?
220:20 the the microorganism level? >> Why do we not see it there where we we
220:22 >> Why do we not see it there where we we can see like thousands and thousands of
220:24 can see like thousands and thousands of generations?
220:25 generations? >> Okay. Can you give me an example of
220:26 >> Okay. Can you give me an example of that?
220:27 that? >> Yeah, totally. Um there there are
220:29 >> Yeah, totally. Um there there are several examples of unisellular
220:32 several examples of unisellular organisms evolving to become
220:33 organisms evolving to become multisellular. That's about as big of a
220:36 multisellular. That's about as big of a macroevolutionary change as you can see
220:38 macroevolutionary change as you can see within one lifetime.
220:39 within one lifetime. >> True. That's true. There's a really cool
220:43 >> True. That's true. There's a really cool >> Sorry. Go ahead.
220:44 >> Sorry. Go ahead. >> I was just going to say I was just going
220:45 >> I was just going to say I was just going to say in those examples, it's just
220:48 to say in those examples, it's just single cells that are clumping together.
220:51 single cells that are clumping together. It's not a true stable like two or three
220:55 It's not a true stable like two or three or four cellular organism. Unless I'm
220:59 or four cellular organism. Unless I'm thinking something different. Do you do
221:00 thinking something different. Do you do you have
221:01 you have >> there?
221:03 >> there? Sorry. There are no two or three cellled
221:05 Sorry. There are no two or three cellled organisms. They tend to go from one
221:07 organisms. They tend to go from one straight to like 12
221:14 >> and so they have witness and these are not these are not clumps of cells. These
221:16 not these are not clumps of cells. These are act this is actually a one cell
221:18 are act this is actually a one cell >> these are cells
221:19 >> these are cells >> 12 cell it's stable organism.
221:22 >> 12 cell it's stable organism. >> Yes. And and what they do when they live
221:24 >> Yes. And and what they do when they live either colonially which which is
221:26 either colonially which which is something you see like in for example
221:28 something you see like in for example coral
221:29 coral right. Um, coral is an animal that is
221:33 right. Um, coral is an animal that is comprised of a ton of tiny little
221:35 comprised of a ton of tiny little individual animals. Each individual
221:37 individual animals. Each individual coral polip that produces the whole
221:39 coral polip that produces the whole coral. Um, or you could also look at,
221:43 coral. Um, or you could also look at, for example, um, sponges.
221:46 for example, um, sponges. Sponges are multisellular organisms that
221:49 Sponges are multisellular organisms that don't have any cell differentiation at
221:51 don't have any cell differentiation at all. So there is no different types of
221:54 all. So there is no different types of cells in this one animal. They all have
221:56 cells in this one animal. They all have the same kind of cell across the whole
221:58 the same kind of cell across the whole thing. Same thing with bryophites um uh
222:01 thing. Same thing with bryophites um uh uh non-vascular plants, mosses, horn
222:03 uh non-vascular plants, mosses, horn warts, liver warts. They don't have cell
222:05 warts, liver warts. They don't have cell differentiation. It's one type of cell
222:07 differentiation. It's one type of cell across the entire plant, but it is so
222:09 across the entire plant, but it is so multisellular. So here we see in these
222:11 multisellular. So here we see in these situations, usually it's green algae and
222:13 situations, usually it's green algae and it's almost always in response to
222:15 it's almost always in response to predation that these things start to
222:17 predation that these things start to ball up together and then divide
222:19 ball up together and then divide together and live together and they you
222:21 together and live together and they you can argue oh they don't have proper cell
222:23 can argue oh they don't have proper cell differentiation nor do any other like
222:26 differentiation nor do any other like several other species that you would
222:28 several other species that you would agree are true multisellular organisms.
222:31 agree are true multisellular organisms. So yes, this is something that we have
222:33 So yes, this is something that we have seen in laboratory settings. And as far
222:35 seen in laboratory settings. And as far as like morphological changes in other
222:37 as like morphological changes in other cases, yeah, I'm pretty sure we've seen
222:39 cases, yeah, I'm pretty sure we've seen that with microorganisms as well, but it
222:41 that with microorganisms as well, but it means something very different when
222:42 means something very different when you're just talking about changing the
222:43 you're just talking about changing the shape of a cell wall.
222:45 shape of a cell wall. >> May I
222:45 >> May I >> Do you have the name of that experiment?
222:48 >> Do you have the name of that experiment? >> No, but there's ton of them. That that's
222:50 >> No, but there's ton of them. That that's not a one-off. That's been done several
222:52 not a one-off. That's been done several several times. You can easily just go on
222:54 several times. You can easily just go on Google Scholar and look up evolution of
222:56 Google Scholar and look up evolution of multisellularity and find a few.
222:59 multisellularity and find a few. >> Hold on, I got it. Evolution of
223:01 >> Hold on, I got it. Evolution of multi-ellularity.
223:04 multi-ellularity. There's one that I'm looking for in
223:05 There's one that I'm looking for in particular. I'm looking for the
223:06 particular. I'm looking for the predation one
223:08 predation one >> in I'll pull up mine because I have one
223:10 >> in I'll pull up mine because I have one here as well.
223:11 here as well. >> Predation. Um just a second. Here we go.
223:15 >> Predation. Um just a second. Here we go. Um mine's from mine's from 2019. Stevie,
223:19 Um mine's from mine's from 2019. Stevie, it's by her at all. Dogs of
223:22 it's by her at all. Dogs of multisellularity in response to
223:24 multisellularity in response to predation. Um it's got some pretty cool
223:28 predation. Um it's got some pretty cool >> figures. Can you repeat that? Say a
223:30 >> figures. Can you repeat that? Say a little slower.
223:31 little slower. Yes, it's do origins of multisellularity
223:36 Yes, it's do origins of multisellularity in response to predation and it's by
223:39 in response to predation and it's by Matthew D. Haron H E R R O N and
223:43 Matthew D. Haron H E R R O N and colleagues
223:44 colleagues >> published in nature.
223:48 >> published in nature. I've also got Bosdag at all B O Z D A G
223:52 I've also got Bosdag at all B O Z D A G uh 2023 do no oh excuse me do evolution
223:56 uh 2023 do no oh excuse me do evolution of macroscopic multisellularity also
223:58 of macroscopic multisellularity also published in nature I'm pretty sure this
224:00 published in nature I'm pretty sure this one was using fungi um and then I've got
224:04 one was using fungi um and then I've got uh fasiorotrophy by flagagulate selects
224:07 uh fasiorotrophy by flagagulate selects for colonial prey possible origin of
224:09 for colonial prey possible origin of multisellularity from evolutionary
224:10 multisellularity from evolutionary ecology in 1998 Boraz at all that was
224:15 ecology in 1998 Boraz at all that was another one that I pulled from a long
224:16 another one that I pulled from a long time ago I just so happened to be
224:18 time ago I just so happened to be writing about this a little bit
224:20 writing about this a little bit something anyway so I had it on hand.
224:22 something anyway so I had it on hand. >> May I while you're writing that down,
224:24 >> May I while you're writing that down, Stevie, may I offer a very strange
224:28 Stevie, may I offer a very strange um sort of out of left field argument
224:30 um sort of out of left field argument against common design that I think
224:33 against common design that I think should probably be considered.
224:35 should probably be considered. >> Um so common design I think faces a
224:40 >> Um so common design I think faces a major problem when it comes to genetics
224:42 major problem when it comes to genetics and the reflection of genetics on
224:44 and the reflection of genetics on phenotype or physical characteristics.
224:47 phenotype or physical characteristics. Back in the day, the way that we grouped
224:49 Back in the day, the way that we grouped the apes was we had humans as one kind
224:53 the apes was we had humans as one kind of ape that we called hamminiday in the
224:55 of ape that we called hamminiday in the family called hminaday. And then we
224:56 family called hminaday. And then we grouped chimpanzees, gorillas, and
224:58 grouped chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans in a different family called
225:00 orangutans in a different family called ponadiday. And this is how things were
225:02 ponadiday. And this is how things were until we started doing genetic
225:04 until we started doing genetic sequencing and comparative genomics. And
225:06 sequencing and comparative genomics. And that's when we found out that humans and
225:08 that's when we found out that humans and chimpanzees are more similar genetically
225:10 chimpanzees are more similar genetically to one another than either is to any
225:12 to one another than either is to any other kind of ape. And so what that
225:14 other kind of ape. And so what that meant is that humans necessarily had to
225:17 meant is that humans necessarily had to group with other apes in the family
225:18 group with other apes in the family Heiniday altogether. Now that I think
225:21 Heiniday altogether. Now that I think poses a really really really big problem
225:25 poses a really really really big problem for intelligent design and for the
225:26 for intelligent design and for the common design idea because genetically
225:31 common design idea because genetically humans and chimpanzees are more similar
225:33 humans and chimpanzees are more similar by any metric that you can define as
225:36 by any metric that you can define as compared to gorillas. Right? That means
225:37 compared to gorillas. Right? That means humans are more similar to chimps than
225:39 humans are more similar to chimps than we are to gorillas. It also means that
225:42 we are to gorillas. It also means that chimpanzees are more genetically similar
225:44 chimpanzees are more genetically similar to humans than they are to gorillas. And
225:47 to humans than they are to gorillas. And yet, when you look at them physically,
225:49 yet, when you look at them physically, as a common designer would would perhaps
225:52 as a common designer would would perhaps do, chimpanzees are more similar to
225:54 do, chimpanzees are more similar to gorillas, aren't they? They're all
225:55 gorillas, aren't they? They're all covered with hair. They both knuckle
225:57 covered with hair. They both knuckle walk, right? They're both large-bodied
225:58 walk, right? They're both large-bodied apes that that move in the trees and eat
226:00 apes that that move in the trees and eat a lot of fruit and have big canine teeth
226:02 a lot of fruit and have big canine teeth and have smaller brains compared to
226:03 and have smaller brains compared to humans. So
226:06 humans. So why would a common designer design
226:09 why would a common designer design gorillas and chimpanzees to fill such
226:11 gorillas and chimpanzees to fill such similar ecological roles and yet pack
226:14 similar ecological roles and yet pack their genomes so that chimps share more
226:18 their genomes so that chimps share more with humans than they do with gorillas?
226:22 with humans than they do with gorillas? That is a prediction that is very
226:24 That is a prediction that is very explicitly different between common
226:26 explicitly different between common design and common descent. And yet it
226:28 design and common descent. And yet it maps perfectly with common disscent. It
226:32 maps perfectly with common disscent. It maps with evolutionary theory. Humans
226:34 maps with evolutionary theory. Humans and chimps share more genetically
226:35 and chimps share more genetically because genes don't impact onetoone
226:38 because genes don't impact onetoone physical characteristics as we used to
226:40 physical characteristics as we used to think that they did. Instead, they
226:42 think that they did. Instead, they reflect ancestry and family history. So,
226:45 reflect ancestry and family history. So, if humans and chimpanzees share a more
226:47 if humans and chimpanzees share a more recent common ancestor, they should
226:49 recent common ancestor, they should share more genetically than either does
226:50 share more genetically than either does with a gorilla, even if chimps appear to
226:53 with a gorilla, even if chimps appear to share more physically with gorillas,
226:55 share more physically with gorillas, because genes are what actually reflect
226:57 because genes are what actually reflect family history, not physical
226:58 family history, not physical characteristics. And that's what we see.
227:01 characteristics. And that's what we see. The most recent paper on this was you at
227:03 The most recent paper on this was you at all 2025
227:05 all 2025 earlier this year. And this is the
227:07 earlier this year. And this is the complete tie to tie genomes of great
227:10 complete tie to tie genomes of great apes. Um sorry, apes generally because
227:12 apes. Um sorry, apes generally because the sim was included as well. And this
227:14 the sim was included as well. And this confirms the same family tree that we've
227:16 confirms the same family tree that we've known about for uh a very long time and
227:19 known about for uh a very long time and shows us again that humans and chimps
227:21 shows us again that humans and chimps are one another's closest relatives. I'm
227:23 are one another's closest relatives. I'm lumping bonobos in with the chimps
227:24 lumping bonobos in with the chimps there, but um we share more with each
227:26 there, but um we share more with each other than either does with the gorilla.
227:28 other than either does with the gorilla. That is not that makes zero sense from a
227:31 That is not that makes zero sense from a common design perspective, especially
227:33 common design perspective, especially given what what they look like.
227:36 given what what they look like. >> But we didn't evolve from chimps. We
227:38 >> But we didn't evolve from chimps. We evolved uh from uh you know uh
227:43 evolved uh from uh you know uh astrolopicus and all that. So wouldn't
227:46 astrolopicus and all that. So wouldn't >> we are more closely related our DNA be
227:49 >> we are more closely related our DNA be more similar
227:51 more similar >> but why wouldn't our DNA be more similar
227:53 >> but why wouldn't our DNA be more similar to those those uh apes? It is modern
227:57 to those those uh apes? It is modern age.
227:58 age. >> Yeah. Oropythecus is extinct. So we
228:00 >> Yeah. Oropythecus is extinct. So we don't have their DNA. So if we had
228:02 don't have their DNA. So if we had Oralopythecus, humans would share more
228:04 Oralopythecus, humans would share more with Oralopythecus than we do with
228:05 with Oralopythecus than we do with chimpanzees. But the problem isn't how
228:08 chimpanzees. But the problem isn't how much DNA humans share with chimps,
228:10 much DNA humans share with chimps, Stevie. The problem is how much DNA
228:12 Stevie. The problem is how much DNA chimps share with humans. Chimps should
228:16 chimps share with humans. Chimps should share more with gorillas under a common
228:18 share more with gorillas under a common design argument because both of them
228:19 design argument because both of them knucklew walk. Both of them are covered
228:21 knucklew walk. Both of them are covered with hair. Both of them do a lot of the
228:23 with hair. Both of them do a lot of the same stuff out in the jungle. And yet
228:25 same stuff out in the jungle. And yet chimpanzees are more similar to humans
228:27 chimpanzees are more similar to humans genetically than they are to gorillas.
228:29 genetically than they are to gorillas. That's the problem.
228:35 >> But here's my my thinking though with DNA. I mean, literally everything has
228:38 DNA. I mean, literally everything has DNA. And um isn't it possible that DNA
228:43 DNA. And um isn't it possible that DNA is simply the building block of life?
228:45 is simply the building block of life? That's that is the building block that
228:47 That's that is the building block that God chose to use to build all life. U if
228:51 God chose to use to build all life. U if that was the case that doesn't
228:53 that was the case that doesn't necessarily mean that
228:55 necessarily mean that >> that uh there's a relation there.
228:58 >> that uh there's a relation there. >> Well, it would it would though, right,
229:01 >> Well, it would it would though, right, Stevie? Because if it's the building
229:03 Stevie? Because if it's the building block for life, then it should reflect
229:05 block for life, then it should reflect those physical characteristics more or
229:07 those physical characteristics more or less in a onetoone. If you're trying to
229:09 less in a onetoone. If you're trying to use it as a common design tool, which
229:12 use it as a common design tool, which means that chimpanzees, given that they
229:14 means that chimpanzees, given that they look and behave so similar to gorillas,
229:16 look and behave so similar to gorillas, at least to an untrained eye, they
229:18 at least to an untrained eye, they should share more genetically. If that's
229:21 should share more genetically. If that's the common design, if that's the common
229:22 the common design, if that's the common blueprint, their genes should reflect
229:24 blueprint, their genes should reflect that. But they don't. There is no reason
229:27 that. But they don't. There is no reason or explicable explanation for why chimps
229:30 or explicable explanation for why chimps and humans share more with each other
229:32 and humans share more with each other than either does with a gorilla, unless
229:33 than either does with a gorilla, unless they have a more recent common ancestor.
229:36 they have a more recent common ancestor. It's kind of like how you would share
229:37 It's kind of like how you would share more with your sibling genetically than
229:39 more with your sibling genetically than you do with your cousin no matter what.
229:43 you do with your cousin no matter what. >> That that's what I was going to ask.
229:44 >> That that's what I was going to ask. Like if if if we are to say, well, God
229:47 Like if if if we are to say, well, God just using this molecule to build the
229:49 just using this molecule to build the building block of life and there doesn't
229:51 building block of life and there doesn't necessarily have to be similarities.
229:53 necessarily have to be similarities. Dissimilarities don't really tell us
229:54 Dissimilarities don't really tell us anything. Okay, there's no such thing as
229:57 anything. Okay, there's no such thing as DNA tests anymore. There's no more
229:59 DNA tests anymore. There's no more paternity tests anymore. None of that
230:01 paternity tests anymore. None of that happens anymore. Mory show is off the
230:03 happens anymore. Mory show is off the air because we can't tell who's related
230:05 air because we can't tell who's related to who anymore. So like if you agree
230:09 to who anymore. So like if you agree that genes are heritable and that you
230:12 that genes are heritable and that you get them from your parents and for that
230:13 get them from your parents and for that reason you look like your parents then
230:16 reason you look like your parents then you would understand why what Erica is
230:17 you would understand why what Erica is saying is a nail in the coffin for for
230:20 saying is a nail in the coffin for for your worldview here.
230:22 your worldview here. >> Yeah. But I mean I mean bananas have
230:24 >> Yeah. But I mean I mean bananas have DNA. I mean I I think I think that what
230:27 DNA. I mean I I think I think that what you're saying makes sense. But is it is
230:29 you're saying makes sense. But is it is it possible that there's limitations
230:30 it possible that there's limitations DNA?
230:32 DNA? every
230:37 sense that there might be limitations there or is it possible that there could
230:39 there or is it possible that there could be limitations there
230:40 be limitations there >> Stevie every living thing has DNA and
230:42 >> Stevie every living thing has DNA and when you compare their DNA of every
230:45 when you compare their DNA of every living thing and you map it based on
230:48 living thing and you map it based on like how similar they are you get the
230:51 like how similar they are you get the tree of life you get the evolutionary
230:53 tree of life you get the evolutionary fogyny that we look to to see what
230:55 fogyny that we look to to see what things are related to who you can pick
230:57 things are related to who you can pick an individual gene clusters of genes
230:59 an individual gene clusters of genes whatever it may be when you when you
231:00 whatever it may be when you when you compare compare the genomes of different
231:03 compare compare the genomes of different different organisms, you see how related
231:05 different organisms, you see how related they are. And when you do that on a big
231:07 they are. And when you do that on a big scale, you get evolution out of it. You
231:09 scale, you get evolution out of it. You get the exact evolutionary framework
231:11 get the exact evolutionary framework that we're proposing.
231:12 that we're proposing. >> Here's the issue too that that I think
231:14 >> Here's the issue too that that I think you is the missing point here, right?
231:17 you is the missing point here, right? >> We would agree, Stevie, as Forest
231:19 >> We would agree, Stevie, as Forest alluded to earlier, that relatedness and
231:22 alluded to earlier, that relatedness and genetic similarity does equal one
231:26 genetic similarity does equal one another in humans, right? You can
231:29 another in humans, right? You can sequence the genome of yourself and of a
231:31 sequence the genome of yourself and of a sibling and of a cousin and of a
231:33 sibling and of a cousin and of a stranger and it will form the same
231:35 stranger and it will form the same family tree genetically that your family
231:38 family tree genetically that your family observed happen in real time as your
231:40 observed happen in real time as your parents and grandparents gave birth to
231:42 parents and grandparents gave birth to everybody. Right? This is this is solid
231:44 everybody. Right? This is this is solid science. This is like as true as dog as
231:46 science. This is like as true as dog as dogmatic as dogmatic can get within
231:48 dogmatic as dogmatic can get within biology relatedness and genomic
231:50 biology relatedness and genomic similarity equal one another. This is
231:52 similarity equal one another. This is true whether we look at humans or dog
231:54 true whether we look at humans or dog breeds or species of cat or whatever.
231:57 breeds or species of cat or whatever. The more someone shares genomically
231:59 The more someone shares genomically without exception, as far as I am aware,
232:01 without exception, as far as I am aware, within a species, the more closely
232:03 within a species, the more closely related they are. That's why if you
232:04 related they are. That's why if you sequence all of your genome and all of
232:06 sequence all of your genome and all of your siblings and all of your cousins
232:07 your siblings and all of your cousins and all of that strangers, you're going
232:09 and all of that strangers, you're going to get that same family tree. So, the
232:12 to get that same family tree. So, the problem that we get with common design
232:14 problem that we get with common design here is that a common design proponent,
232:16 here is that a common design proponent, somebody who would believe in
232:17 somebody who would believe in intelligent design would say at some
232:18 intelligent design would say at some point that stops working. At some point,
232:21 point that stops working. At some point, genetics stops equaling relatedness. But
232:24 genetics stops equaling relatedness. But they can't tell you where. Because when
232:27 they can't tell you where. Because when we look at the genomes of all of life,
232:29 we look at the genomes of all of life, as for says, we've done this with a
232:31 as for says, we've done this with a whole lot of species. And not just one
232:32 whole lot of species. And not just one representative of a whole lot of
232:34 representative of a whole lot of species, but a lot of different
232:35 species, but a lot of different representatives. A zillion strains of
232:37 representatives. A zillion strains of E.coli, a zillion chimpanzees, a zillion
232:39 E.coli, a zillion chimpanzees, a zillion dogs, a zillion cats, a zillion people.
232:41 dogs, a zillion cats, a zillion people. What we get is a family tree. We don't
232:44 What we get is a family tree. We don't get these these stops genetically that
232:46 get these these stops genetically that say there a stop sign that says stop. We
232:48 say there a stop sign that says stop. We we can't actually evolve past this point
232:50 we can't actually evolve past this point or stop. These two things aren't as
232:51 or stop. These two things aren't as related as you thought. instead you get
232:53 related as you thought. instead you get a single merging family tree. So what an
232:56 a single merging family tree. So what an intelligent design proponent would need
232:58 intelligent design proponent would need to do to say that no genetic similarity
233:01 to do to say that no genetic similarity doesn't equal related disc all the time
233:03 doesn't equal related disc all the time is you would have to show us where it
233:06 is you would have to show us where it stops working and provide a mechanism as
233:08 stops working and provide a mechanism as to why and no one has been able to do
233:10 to why and no one has been able to do that. So an intelligent design proponent
233:13 that. So an intelligent design proponent says vaguely maybe it's not relatedness
233:17 says vaguely maybe it's not relatedness maybe it's God using the same tools and
233:19 maybe it's God using the same tools and that brings us back to the chimp human
233:21 that brings us back to the chimp human gorilla problem. Why, if gorillas and
233:23 gorilla problem. Why, if gorillas and chimps do much of the same stuff, does a
233:25 chimps do much of the same stuff, does a chimp share more with a human than it
233:27 chimp share more with a human than it does with a gorilla? That doesn't seem
233:29 does with a gorilla? That doesn't seem to reflect design. Like, what is a
233:31 to reflect design. Like, what is a chimpanzeee doing that that is so
233:33 chimpanzeee doing that that is so humanlike so as to reflect its genetic
233:36 humanlike so as to reflect its genetic similarity to a human being so much
233:38 similarity to a human being so much greater than it is to a gorilla? It it
233:41 greater than it is to a gorilla? It it it it's inexplicable unless these two
233:43 it it's inexplicable unless these two things share a common ancestor, as you
233:45 things share a common ancestor, as you and your cousin do in the form of your
233:47 and your cousin do in the form of your grandparent. Um, and you know this this
233:50 grandparent. Um, and you know this this is this is problematic as well when you
233:52 is this is problematic as well when you look at the the functionality of the
233:53 look at the the functionality of the genome as a whole, right? Like we get
233:56 genome as a whole, right? Like we get these nested hierarchies across the
233:59 these nested hierarchies across the entirety of the tree of life and those
234:02 entirety of the tree of life and those hierarchies hold whether you're looking
234:03 hierarchies hold whether you're looking at the parts of the genome that does
234:05 at the parts of the genome that does stuff which would make sense from a
234:06 stuff which would make sense from a common design proponent, right? that's
234:08 common design proponent, right? that's that's explicable within common design
234:10 that's explicable within common design that that the functional portions of the
234:12 that that the functional portions of the genome might form these nested
234:13 genome might form these nested hierarchies because God is designing the
234:15 hierarchies because God is designing the functional parts to do the same stuff in
234:17 functional parts to do the same stuff in similar animals. That makes sense. The
234:19 similar animals. That makes sense. The problem is we get those same trees if
234:21 problem is we get those same trees if you do the sequencing on the
234:23 you do the sequencing on the non-functional parts of the genome. That
234:25 non-functional parts of the genome. That doesn't make any sense. Why would God
234:27 doesn't make any sense. Why would God make the non-functional portions of the
234:29 make the non-functional portions of the genome make everything look related in
234:31 genome make everything look related in addition to the parts of the genome that
234:32 addition to the parts of the genome that do do stuff? These these are the
234:35 do do stuff? These these are the challenges that common design runs up
234:36 challenges that common design runs up against.
234:38 against. Most importantly of all, Erica totally
234:40 Most importantly of all, Erica totally just said doodoo.
234:45 >> Poop and pee. >> Um,
234:46 >> Um, >> yeah. I mean, I I think uh DNA is
234:49 >> yeah. I mean, I I think uh DNA is probably the
234:51 probably the most difficult thing for creationism.
234:54 most difficult thing for creationism. Um, because there is nothing that, like
234:57 Um, because there is nothing that, like you said, there is nothing that we can
234:59 you said, there is nothing that we can point to in the DNA that says, okay,
235:02 point to in the DNA that says, okay, this is where it stops. like this is
235:04 this is where it stops. like this is where the this is where you could no
235:06 where the this is where you could no longer and so that that is something
235:09 longer and so that that is something that uh I'm struggling with and and that
235:12 that uh I'm struggling with and and that that is something that I I mean the a
235:15 that is something that I I mean the a lot of the evidence we've talked about
235:16 lot of the evidence we've talked about there's a lot of you know when you go
235:18 there's a lot of you know when you go online there's a lot of interpretation
235:20 online there's a lot of interpretation there's a lot of people who disagree and
235:22 there's a lot of people who disagree and stuff like that but that DNA is that's
235:24 stuff like that but that DNA is that's probably the toughest argument there uh
235:27 probably the toughest argument there uh can we talk about and I'm going to look
235:29 can we talk about and I'm going to look into this further of course but can we
235:31 into this further of course but can we talk about stasis for a moment that is
235:34 talk about stasis for a moment that is probably another big hangup I have is
235:37 probably another big hangup I have is status. Like how how is it that a that
235:40 status. Like how how is it that a that evolution can just like almost come to a
235:43 evolution can just like almost come to a standstill
235:44 standstill for millions of years? It it just seems
235:47 for millions of years? It it just seems to defy
235:49 to defy it just seems to defy it'd be like if if
235:53 it just seems to defy it'd be like if if gravity worked everywhere except out
235:55 gravity worked everywhere except out except in my house. Like it just doesn't
235:57 except in my house. Like it just doesn't seem to make sense to me.
235:59 seem to make sense to me. >> Are you familiar with what a niche is?
236:08 um maybe not scientifically. >> So a niche is the way in which an
236:12 >> So a niche is the way in which an organism interacts with its environment.
236:15 organism interacts with its environment. It is the specific way. Yeah. It's it's
236:17 It is the specific way. Yeah. It's it's it's the specific way in which it lives
236:19 it's the specific way in which it lives its life. Exactly what it eats, exactly
236:22 its life. Exactly what it eats, exactly how it lives, how it affects its
236:24 how it lives, how it affects its environment, and how its environment
236:25 environment, and how its environment affects it. It's just the way of living,
236:27 affects it. It's just the way of living, the job, I think, is a great way to put
236:29 the job, I think, is a great way to put it, right? Um, and so when you have this
236:33 it, right? Um, and so when you have this niche, right, that's carved out of an
236:35 niche, right, that's carved out of an ecosystem for this one organism to live
236:37 ecosystem for this one organism to live in. It eats these kinds of seeds. It
236:39 in. It eats these kinds of seeds. It lives in this kind of rocket and blah
236:40 lives in this kind of rocket and blah blah blah blah blah. Um,
236:44 blah blah blah blah. Um, when that niche ch when the environment
236:46 when that niche ch when the environment changes, the niche will then change,
236:49 changes, the niche will then change, which means the organism will then
236:51 which means the organism will then change. This all comes back to what we
236:52 change. This all comes back to what we call selection pressure. So selection
236:55 call selection pressure. So selection pressure is just the rules of the
236:57 pressure is just the rules of the ecosystem that you live in. It is in in
237:00 ecosystem that you live in. It is in in fancy biology speaks election pressure
237:02 fancy biology speaks election pressure is an agent of differential mortality or
237:04 is an agent of differential mortality or fertility. It is something that changes
237:08 fertility. It is something that changes the frequency by which any one
237:10 the frequency by which any one individual is going to be successful in
237:12 individual is going to be successful in surviving and reproducing. And so as the
237:15 surviving and reproducing. And so as the environment changes, the selection
237:16 environment changes, the selection pressure changes. The niche, the way in
237:18 pressure changes. The niche, the way in which this organism lives is going to
237:21 which this organism lives is going to have to change. The organism is going to
237:22 have to change. The organism is going to have to change along with it. So, if you
237:24 have to change along with it. So, if you have an environment, a niche that does
237:27 have an environment, a niche that does not change, evolution is still going to
237:30 not change, evolution is still going to happen because it always happens, but
237:31 happen because it always happens, but it's going to slow way the [ __ ] down.
237:33 it's going to slow way the [ __ ] down. And so, you're going to have a situation
237:35 And so, you're going to have a situation like with horseshoe crabs or
237:36 like with horseshoe crabs or crocodilians where they've been living
237:38 crocodilians where they've been living the same way. Their environment, their
237:40 the same way. Their environment, their niche, the way they live in their
237:41 niche, the way they live in their ecosystem really hasn't changed very
237:43 ecosystem really hasn't changed very much. So, they haven't changed very much
237:45 much. So, they haven't changed very much for a long time. Meanwhile, if you have
237:49 for a long time. Meanwhile, if you have say a mass extinction event, you are now
237:51 say a mass extinction event, you are now going to have suddenly, you know, 80% of
237:54 going to have suddenly, you know, 80% of all life on Earth dies out or all
237:57 all life on Earth dies out or all species are gone. So now you have a
237:59 species are gone. So now you have a shitload of open niches. And so this one
238:02 shitload of open niches. And so this one type of thing that is able to get into
238:04 type of thing that is able to get into that niche is now going to differentiate
238:07 that niche is now going to differentiate rapidly and fill in every little
238:09 rapidly and fill in every little individual way that niche could possibly
238:11 individual way that niche could possibly work. It's a process we call adaptive
238:12 work. It's a process we call adaptive radiation. So, think for example,
238:14 radiation. So, think for example, Darwin's finches are a really common
238:16 Darwin's finches are a really common example of adaptive radiation. You have
238:18 example of adaptive radiation. You have one finch goes to these islands. There's
238:20 one finch goes to these islands. There's no other finches around. And so, there's
238:23 no other finches around. And so, there's seeds and there's fruit and there's
238:25 seeds and there's fruit and there's cacti and there's this and there's that.
238:27 cacti and there's this and there's that. All these different ways these finches
238:28 All these different ways these finches can live. And so, they make little
238:30 can live. And so, they make little subopuls doing these things until they
238:33 subopuls doing these things until they get more and more and more exclusive to
238:34 get more and more and more exclusive to that niche and they eventually form
238:36 that niche and they eventually form different species. Right? Now, take that
238:38 different species. Right? Now, take that on a global scale. asteroid hits the
238:40 on a global scale. asteroid hits the earth, 80% of life is gone. Now you've
238:44 earth, 80% of life is gone. Now you've got this creature that is now like
238:46 got this creature that is now like available. All this way to live, all the
238:49 available. All this way to live, all the they massively diversify. They spread
238:51 they massively diversify. They spread out. And so this is where you get what
238:52 out. And so this is where you get what we call punctuated equilibrium. When we
238:53 we call punctuated equilibrium. When we look over the fossil record, it's not
238:55 look over the fossil record, it's not this perfect slow gradual change with no
238:58 this perfect slow gradual change with no breaks in the middle. It's long periods
239:01 breaks in the middle. It's long periods of pretty solid change, but but nothing
239:03 of pretty solid change, but but nothing too crazy. And then suddenly, holy [ __ ]
239:06 too crazy. And then suddenly, holy [ __ ] there's a whole new kind of thing and
239:08 there's a whole new kind of thing and everything's very different, right? And
239:10 everything's very different, right? And if you and you look at that and you're
239:11 if you and you look at that and you're like, "Oh my god."
239:18 Line up that sudden change with things like mass extinctions, it makes a lot
239:20 like mass extinctions, it makes a lot more [ __ ] sense. Is that oh [ __ ] all
239:23 more [ __ ] sense. Is that oh [ __ ] all life on Earth died just about and now
239:25 life on Earth died just about and now there's a lot of room, a lot of space to
239:27 there's a lot of room, a lot of space to live. We had a shitload of reptiles and
239:30 live. We had a shitload of reptiles and then we had an asteroid and now we have
239:32 then we had an asteroid and now we have a shitload of mammals. That's what's
239:34 a shitload of mammals. That's what's happening. When you talk about stasis,
239:36 happening. When you talk about stasis, it's not that evolution stopped. It's
239:38 it's not that evolution stopped. It's just that the niche stayed the same for
239:40 just that the niche stayed the same for a long time and pretty soon new niches
239:43 a long time and pretty soon new niches opened up and new life evolved into it.
239:45 opened up and new life evolved into it. Go on. What are you talking about? I I
239:47 Go on. What are you talking about? I I wanted to to try to summar because what
239:49 wanted to to try to summar because what force for force explained it beautifully
239:50 force for force explained it beautifully there but a really really simple way of
239:52 there but a really really simple way of thinking of this is if evolution is
239:54 thinking of this is if evolution is species changing right due to the
239:58 species changing right due to the environment if the environment doesn't
240:00 environment if the environment doesn't change the species won't either right it
240:04 change the species won't either right it it's these these are the engine of
240:06 it's these these are the engine of evolution isn't on a constant pace it
240:08 evolution isn't on a constant pace it can't be because evolution is at the
240:10 can't be because evolution is at the mercy of the environment which the
240:12 mercy of the environment which the organisms live in. So, if the
240:14 organisms live in. So, if the environment stays constant, then the
240:16 environment stays constant, then the organisms, assuming there's not
240:18 organisms, assuming there's not something else causing them to change,
240:20 something else causing them to change, like a social a social pressure or an
240:22 like a social a social pressure or an invasive species or whatever, they're
240:24 invasive species or whatever, they're going to stay the same, too. And that's
240:26 going to stay the same, too. And that's why all of the species that undergo
240:27 why all of the species that undergo stasis are species that live in
240:30 stasis are species that live in environments that virtually never
240:32 environments that virtually never change. Deep sea organisms, right? What
240:34 change. Deep sea organisms, right? What what's going to change the the
240:37 what's going to change the the environment of an organism that just
240:38 environment of an organism that just lives in a at a crushing depth in the
240:40 lives in a at a crushing depth in the pitch black darkness, right? not much.
240:44 pitch black darkness, right? not much. But organisms that live, you know, in in
240:46 But organisms that live, you know, in in environments that are subject to tons of
240:47 environments that are subject to tons of change, they evolve just really really
240:50 change, they evolve just really really quickly, right? So this this is just a
240:53 quickly, right? So this this is just a game of understanding why organisms
240:57 game of understanding why organisms evolve and when they don't, why is that
241:01 evolve and when they don't, why is that happening to which which it all it all
241:03 happening to which which it all it all boils down to the environment that they
241:04 boils down to the environment that they live in. You can kind of think of it
241:07 live in. You can kind of think of it like when a company when a company is
241:10 like when a company when a company is really stable, you've got a bunch of
241:11 really stable, you've got a bunch of people doing a bunch of different jobs
241:13 people doing a bunch of different jobs within that company. And when the
241:14 within that company. And when the company is making a ton of money with a
241:16 company is making a ton of money with a ton of money, they don't suddenly change
241:19 ton of money, they don't suddenly change up how they're doing things, do they?
241:21 up how they're doing things, do they? They stay really stable. They say,
241:22 They stay really stable. They say, "Okay, well, this is what's working for
241:24 "Okay, well, this is what's working for us, so we're just going to keep doing
241:25 us, so we're just going to keep doing this. Whatever works, we're going to
241:27 this. Whatever works, we're going to keep doing that." But if the company
241:28 keep doing that." But if the company suddenly starts losing money or people
241:30 suddenly starts losing money or people start quitting like crazy, then they're
241:31 start quitting like crazy, then they're going to say, "Okay, it's time to shake
241:33 going to say, "Okay, it's time to shake things up. We're going to we're going to
241:34 things up. We're going to we're going to hire a bunch of new people. We're going
241:36 hire a bunch of new people. We're going to change around the the order of the
241:37 to change around the the order of the office. We're going to do all sorts of
241:39 office. We're going to do all sorts of different stuff to try to survive better
241:40 different stuff to try to survive better in the new economic environment that
241:42 in the new economic environment that they find themselves in.
241:44 they find themselves in. >> Right. It it works really similarly. You
241:46 >> Right. It it works really similarly. You know, ecology and economy, there's a lot
241:48 know, ecology and economy, there's a lot of of overlap there.
241:51 of of overlap there. >> Yeah. That's why it's actually funny you
241:53 >> Yeah. That's why it's actually funny you bring that up because there's a really
241:54 bring that up because there's a really famous there's a really famous economist
241:57 famous there's a really famous economist uh Mouthys um who came up with this idea
242:00 uh Mouthys um who came up with this idea of like you know how needs and and wants
242:03 of like you know how needs and and wants I'm pretty sure he's the one who came up
242:04 I'm pretty sure he's the one who came up with the idea of supply and demand as
242:06 with the idea of supply and demand as like a I don't remember but Malthusian
242:08 like a I don't remember but Malthusian economics played a major role in
242:11 economics played a major role in Darwin's understanding of natural
242:12 Darwin's understanding of natural selection mouths was a big inspiration
242:14 selection mouths was a big inspiration for Darwin thinking about okay well
242:16 for Darwin thinking about okay well there's only so many resources in this
242:18 there's only so many resources in this environment so the organisms that can
242:21 environment so the organisms that can best exploit these resources are going
242:22 best exploit these resources are going to have an advantage and the ones that
242:24 to have an advantage and the ones that can't are going to die off. Maybe that's
242:26 can't are going to die off. Maybe that's what's going on. And he came up with the
242:28 what's going on. And he came up with the concept of natural selection from that.
242:34 >> Yeah. I mean, I I get the concept of it. I think the thing that makes it
242:36 I think the thing that makes it difficult for me is for example
242:40 difficult for me is for example the uh the celac fish.
242:43 the uh the celac fish. We have fossils I think dating that to
242:46 We have fossils I think dating that to like 410 million years ago. Uh oh, yeah.
242:50 like 410 million years ago. Uh oh, yeah. You know, you have like crocodiles,
242:51 You know, you have like crocodiles, salamanders, like
242:54 salamanders, like >> you know, uh certain crabs like
242:56 >> you know, uh certain crabs like >> the platypus.
242:58 >> the platypus. >> The platypus, which is like that's a
243:00 >> The platypus, which is like that's a really curious one
243:02 really curious one >> because like the the platypus has all
243:04 >> because like the the platypus has all these different elements
243:06 these different elements >> and it just it it seems like it would be
243:08 >> and it just it it seems like it would be more of a a like a transitionary,
243:12 more of a a like a transitionary, but you know, it's not. And then you
243:14 but you know, it's not. And then you have like a possum like how can these
243:17 have like a possum like how can these when we know the environment has changed
243:19 when we know the environment has changed like like the celacan fish you can't say
243:22 like like the celacan fish you can't say for 400 million years that that that
243:25 for 400 million years that that that their niche didn't change you know that
243:27 their niche didn't change you know that the same thing for the platypus for the
243:29 the same thing for the platypus for the possum
243:30 possum >> it just
243:31 >> it just >> have you looked have you looked at those
243:33 >> have you looked have you looked at those >> have you looked at those fossils have
243:35 >> have you looked at those fossils have you seen the same for the horseshoe crab
243:37 you seen the same for the horseshoe crab right like these guys are
243:39 right like these guys are >> I have seen pictures I haven't I haven't
243:41 >> I have seen pictures I haven't I haven't like examined them scientifically or
243:44 like examined them scientifically or anything, but I've seen pictures of
243:45 anything, but I've seen pictures of them.
243:46 them. >> Yeah. So, if you talk to somebody who
243:47 >> Yeah. So, if you talk to somebody who studies steel accountants or long fish
243:49 studies steel accountants or long fish or or horseshoe crabs or whatever, they
243:52 or or horseshoe crabs or whatever, they have changed a lot, right? Like they've
243:54 have changed a lot, right? Like they've changed a lot less than a lot of other
243:56 changed a lot less than a lot of other organisms have, but they've changed a
243:58 organisms have, but they've changed a lot since their progenitors in the
244:00 lot since their progenitors in the Deonian. Um, for almost all of those, I
244:03 Deonian. Um, for almost all of those, I think horseshoe crabs are deeper than
244:05 think horseshoe crabs are deeper than the Deonian, but lungfish and cilacanth
244:07 the Deonian, but lungfish and cilacanth are Deonian originator critters. Um,
244:10 are Deonian originator critters. Um, they have changed, right? stasis is used
244:13 they have changed, right? stasis is used or or like you know extreme stasis for
244:15 or or like you know extreme stasis for the for the cases of these guys is used
244:17 the for the cases of these guys is used because it has been a really long time
244:18 because it has been a really long time and they haven't changed as much as some
244:20 and they haven't changed as much as some of their um as some of their other
244:22 of their um as some of their other organisms on the face of the earth but
244:24 organisms on the face of the earth but they have not stayed exactly the same
244:26 they have not stayed exactly the same they've evolved just like everything
244:28 they've evolved just like everything else have probably due to like drift but
244:30 else have probably due to like drift but I I'd also have to ask you
244:33 I I'd also have to ask you how would the deep how how would you
244:35 how would the deep how how would you change the deep sea right like the deep
244:37 change the deep sea right like the deep sea is incredibly resistant to changes
244:41 sea is incredibly resistant to changes in plate tectonics tonics. It's
244:43 in plate tectonics tonics. It's resistant to anoxia because these guys
244:45 resistant to anoxia because these guys are living in in already fairly anoxic
244:48 are living in in already fairly anoxic conditions. It's resistant to major
244:50 conditions. It's resistant to major heating, major cooling, right? Because
244:52 heating, major cooling, right? Because it takes a long time for these changes
244:53 it takes a long time for these changes to reach down into the depths. They're
244:55 to reach down into the depths. They're already living in such extreme
244:57 already living in such extreme environments. Um, in the case of stuff
244:59 environments. Um, in the case of stuff like crocodiles or possums or platypus
245:02 like crocodiles or possums or platypus or or any of these other guys that are
245:03 or or any of these other guys that are proposed to have undergone stasis, they
245:05 proposed to have undergone stasis, they they really haven't. Like I check out
245:09 they really haven't. Like I check out some of these ancient marsupials that
245:11 some of these ancient marsupials that lived even in the in the end of the
245:13 lived even in the in the end of the cenazoic or excuse me of the messoic and
245:15 cenazoic or excuse me of the messoic and at the beginning of the cenazoic. They
245:17 at the beginning of the cenazoic. They look really different from the ones that
245:18 look really different from the ones that we have today. Same thing with
245:20 we have today. Same thing with crocodiles.
245:20 crocodiles. >> I also want to point out I also want to
245:22 >> I also want to point out I also want to point out like you talking about
245:24 point out like you talking about crocodiles and celacants and and
245:27 crocodiles and celacants and and horseshoe crabs and it's actually really
245:29 horseshoe crabs and it's actually really good that you equate those to platypus
245:32 good that you equate those to platypus because platypus is a monotream. So are
245:35 because platypus is a monotream. So are akidnas. So they are egg laying mammals.
245:40 akidnas. So they are egg laying mammals. These are the basil form of what mammals
245:42 These are the basil form of what mammals are. So mammals come into onto the scene
245:45 are. So mammals come into onto the scene around about 220 million years ago. For
245:48 around about 220 million years ago. For almost a 100 million years, we don't
245:50 almost a 100 million years, we don't give live birth. About about and I'm
245:54 give live birth. About about and I'm grossly oversimplifying, but like around
245:56 grossly oversimplifying, but like around a 100 million 120 150 million years ago
245:59 a 100 million 120 150 million years ago is when we start getting [ __ ] that has a
246:02 is when we start getting [ __ ] that has a placenta coming in, right? And so for a
246:05 placenta coming in, right? And so for a long time these were the way all mammals
246:08 long time these were the way all mammals were and then we had this shift towards
246:11 were and then we had this shift towards placental mammals and also marsupials at
246:14 placental mammals and also marsupials at the same time as well. So you have this
246:15 the same time as well. So you have this [ __ ] we have like three different kinds
246:17 [ __ ] we have like three different kinds of mammals there. The ones that lay
246:18 of mammals there. The ones that lay eggs, the ones with pouches and the ones
246:20 eggs, the ones with pouches and the ones that give live birth. Um and over the
246:24 that give live birth. Um and over the course of the next hundred million
246:25 course of the next hundred million years, the ones that give live birth
246:28 years, the ones that give live birth every [ __ ] wear. The ones that have
246:31 every [ __ ] wear. The ones that have pouches less but they and the ones that
246:34 pouches less but they and the ones that lay eggs two we have two species of
246:37 lay eggs two we have two species of them. Now talk about celicants rights
246:40 them. Now talk about celicants rights celicants and whatnot are what we call
246:42 celicants and whatnot are what we call sarcopterigians
246:44 sarcopterigians lobefinned fishes. So there are two
246:46 lobefinned fishes. So there are two major groups of fishes. Sarcopterigian
246:48 major groups of fishes. Sarcopterigian is lobefinned and then actinopterian is
246:52 is lobefinned and then actinopterian is rayfinned.
246:53 rayfinned. Saropterians are these ancient [ __ ]
246:56 Saropterians are these ancient [ __ ] fish that like you said have been around
246:57 fish that like you said have been around for like four in a million years. Do you
246:59 for like four in a million years. Do you know how many extent living species of
247:01 know how many extent living species of sarcopterian there are today? Eight.
247:04 sarcopterian there are today? Eight. There's some lungfish, celacanth, and
247:07 There's some lungfish, celacanth, and one other [ __ ] that I can't
247:08 one other [ __ ] that I can't remember. And so like there's there's
247:11 remember. And so like there's there's less than 10 of these things. And there
247:14 less than 10 of these things. And there are millions of species of actigian
247:17 are millions of species of actigian fish. And so like this celacant and
247:19 fish. And so like this celacant and that's also by the way not counting
247:21 that's also by the way not counting tetropods and that but like all you've
247:24 tetropods and that but like all you've got you've got all this variety of this
247:27 got you've got all this variety of this other type of fish and this really
247:30 other type of fish and this really really ancient one you've got a handful
247:32 really ancient one you've got a handful at best. So it's not like you're talking
247:36 at best. So it's not like you're talking about evolutionary stasis here. It's not
247:38 about evolutionary stasis here. It's not like it's a common thing. It's not like
247:40 like it's a common thing. It's not like just all the time there's random [ __ ]
247:42 just all the time there's random [ __ ] that just doesn't evolve for a few
247:43 that just doesn't evolve for a few million years. That's just not what
247:45 million years. That's just not what happens. We're talking about rare
247:47 happens. We're talking about rare instances where these guys came upon a
247:49 instances where these guys came upon a body plan that was [ __ ] solid for a
247:52 body plan that was [ __ ] solid for a long time. Came upon a reproductive
247:54 long time. Came upon a reproductive strategy, a way of living, a niche that
247:56 strategy, a way of living, a niche that did not change very greatly for a very
247:59 did not change very greatly for a very long period of time. Talking about um uh
248:03 long period of time. Talking about um uh [ __ ] crocodilians, right?
248:05 [ __ ] crocodilians, right? Pseudosukians and [ __ ] back in in the
248:08 Pseudosukians and [ __ ] back in in the early Mesazoic era, you've got uh uh
248:11 early Mesazoic era, you've got uh uh archiosaurs going this way and you've
248:14 archiosaurs going this way and you've got all No, that's not right. Sorry.
248:15 got all No, that's not right. Sorry. You've got dinosaurs going this way and
248:17 You've got dinosaurs going this way and you got crocodilians going that way. And
248:20 you got crocodilians going that way. And for a while when we had pangia, [ __ ] was
248:23 for a while when we had pangia, [ __ ] was pretty e. You had [ __ ] crocodiles all
248:25 pretty e. You had [ __ ] crocodiles all over the [ __ ] place. And then it
248:27 over the [ __ ] place. And then it started getting hotter and wetter and
248:29 started getting hotter and wetter and whatnot. And these these dinosaurs
248:31 whatnot. And these these dinosaurs started winning out. They started being
248:33 started winning out. They started being the successful spe successful clay,
248:35 the successful spe successful clay, right? And how many crocodilians do you
248:37 right? And how many crocodilians do you have now? You've got crocodiles,
248:38 have now? You've got crocodiles, alligators, caymans. Three groups out of
248:42 alligators, caymans. Three groups out of all the different Sorry.
248:44 all the different Sorry. >> Gariels, too.
248:46 >> Gariels, too. >> I thought garals were looped in with
248:47 >> I thought garals were looped in with crocodiles.
248:49 crocodiles. >> Are they?
248:50 >> Are they? >> No, you're probably right. You No,
248:51 >> No, you're probably right. You No, you're probably right. Gariels are
248:52 you're probably right. Gariels are probably something different. We'll say
248:54 probably something different. We'll say four because I'm pro I'm probably
248:56 four because I'm pro I'm probably stupid, dude. Um
248:57 stupid, dude. Um >> No, no, you probably you would probably
248:59 >> No, no, you probably you would probably know crocodilians better than me. I'm
249:00 know crocodilians better than me. I'm checking. You've got four maximum groups
249:04 checking. You've got four maximum groups that are living today out of think about
249:07 that are living today out of think about all the different dinosaurs that extinct
249:11 all the different dinosaurs that extinct and living. All the different types of
249:13 and living. All the different types of dinosaurs, all the different genre, all
249:15 dinosaurs, all the different genre, all the different clades, four [ __ ]
249:17 the different clades, four [ __ ] crocodilians left. So like that's that's
249:20 crocodilians left. So like that's that's it's it's I don't know, man. It's it
249:22 it's it's I don't know, man. It's it isn't as crazy as you're making it
249:23 isn't as crazy as you're making it sound. It's not as big of a of a hitch
249:26 sound. It's not as big of a of a hitch in the giddy up for evolution as you
249:27 in the giddy up for evolution as you might think.
249:30 might think. For those who were curious,
249:32 For those who were curious, >> the families, if we're going based off
249:34 >> the families, if we're going based off of families, it's alligator a day, which
249:36 of families, it's alligator a day, which are alligators and caymans, then
249:38 are alligators and caymans, then crocodiles, which are two crocodiles,
249:39 crocodiles, which are two crocodiles, and then uh Gabi all day, which is
249:41 and then uh Gabi all day, which is gariel and false gariel. And then
249:43 gariel and false gariel. And then generally, they split family.
249:45 generally, they split family. >> Yeah, they're a totally different
249:47 >> Yeah, they're a totally different family. But Cayman are not, which I I
249:49 family. But Cayman are not, which I I thought that they were.
249:50 thought that they were. >> I I would have thought Cayman were their
249:52 >> I I would have thought Cayman were their own.
249:53 own. >> What's Cayman left?
249:54 >> What's Cayman left? >> Cayman Cayman is in alligator.
249:57 >> Cayman Cayman is in alligator. >> But see,
249:58 >> But see, >> no. Well, so so I was right about it
250:00 >> no. Well, so so I was right about it being three, but it was the wrong three.
250:01 being three, but it was the wrong three. I was stupid in a way I didn't expect. I
250:03 I was stupid in a way I didn't expect. I was the wrong kind of stupid
250:07 was the wrong kind of stupid >> if if you think if you believe that
250:10 >> if if you think if you believe that kinds is a possibility that there that
250:15 kinds is a possibility that there that having very like adaptation is not a
250:17 having very like adaptation is not a like that's not a problem for me. uh
250:21 like that's not a problem for me. uh what we find the variation that you're
250:23 what we find the variation that you're talking about it is so minuscule and and
250:25 talking about it is so minuscule and and and it it it falls well within
250:30 and it it it falls well within adaptation. So like the stasis, it's
250:34 adaptation. So like the stasis, it's something that we would definitely
250:36 something that we would definitely expect,
250:38 expect, you know, from a common design aspect.
250:41 you know, from a common design aspect. And I just I I just find it hard like I
250:44 And I just I I just find it hard like I found a couple articles like especially
250:45 found a couple articles like especially with the Hold on one second.
250:47 with the Hold on one second. >> Especially with like the for example,
250:50 >> Especially with like the for example, >> those fossils are like I mean I'm
250:52 >> those fossils are like I mean I'm finding article after article saying
250:54 finding article after article saying they're like nearly identical. I mean
250:56 they're like nearly identical. I mean they're like the changes are so small.
250:58 they're like the changes are so small. It just seems like a stretch.
251:01 It just seems like a stretch. Can I just like I I'm sorry. It's it's
251:03 Can I just like I I'm sorry. It's it's so so it has been almost an hour and a
251:05 so so it has been almost an hour and a half and like I'm just I'm frustrated
251:08 half and like I'm just I'm frustrated that you keep saying this is what we
251:10 that you keep saying this is what we would expect with common design. And
251:12 would expect with common design. And what bothers me about it, Stevie, is
251:14 what bothers me about it, Stevie, is that like what we said earlier, we're
251:17 that like what we said earlier, we're talking about evolution, we can make
251:19 talking about evolution, we can make predictions, we can show you the
251:21 predictions, we can show you the mechanisms and we can then bring in
251:24 mechanisms and we can then bring in evidence that confirms the predictions
251:26 evidence that confirms the predictions and the mechanisms. And what you keep
251:29 and the mechanisms. And what you keep saying is this indicates design but you
251:33 saying is this indicates design but you can't indicate a designer. You don't
251:35 can't indicate a designer. You don't have a mechanism of design. You don't
251:37 have a mechanism of design. You don't have any predictions you can make from
251:39 have any predictions you can make from design. You can't test the design. You
251:41 design. You can't test the design. You this is not a scientific idea that
251:44 this is not a scientific idea that you're giving us. And we're giving you
251:46 you're giving us. And we're giving you tomes of information about what we know
251:49 tomes of information about what we know about these different organisms and what
251:50 about these different organisms and what we know about how evolution works, what
251:52 we know about how evolution works, what we see from the fossil record, what we
251:53 we see from the fossil record, what we see in laboratory settings, what we see
251:55 see in laboratory settings, what we see in the field, genetics, homology,
251:58 in the field, genetics, homology, embryology, all these different things
252:00 embryology, all these different things that all point to the same way, same
252:02 that all point to the same way, same conclusion. And you just keep saying,
252:05 conclusion. And you just keep saying, well, I would expect that from a
252:06 well, I would expect that from a designer. What designer? Where is the
252:09 designer. What designer? Where is the designer? How does the designer work?
252:11 designer? How does the designer work? What does it do? Why? How? Like you
252:13 What does it do? Why? How? Like you don't give me anything. You just say,
252:15 don't give me anything. You just say, "Yeah, there's probably this guy." And
252:17 "Yeah, there's probably this guy." And like it's just it's so frustrating to me
252:19 like it's just it's so frustrating to me because you said earlier on that you
252:21 because you said earlier on that you weigh these things equally based on
252:23 weigh these things equally based on their evidence. But we're the only ones
252:25 their evidence. But we're the only ones bringing evidence. All you're giving me
252:26 bringing evidence. All you're giving me is a post hawk rationalization of any
252:29 is a post hawk rationalization of any time we say anything, you find one bit
252:32 time we say anything, you find one bit of information, one thing that you don't
252:34 of information, one thing that you don't know yet, and use that as justification
252:36 know yet, and use that as justification for inserting this massive other idea
252:40 for inserting this massive other idea with no backing to it. And I I don't
252:42 with no backing to it. And I I don't that's so annoying to me and I'm trying
252:44 that's so annoying to me and I'm trying to be really nice about it. I want to
252:46 to be really nice about it. I want to answer all your questions, but like you
252:48 answer all your questions, but like you keep saying, "Well, I would expect that
252:49 keep saying, "Well, I would expect that from this." How how would you expect
252:52 from this." How how would you expect that? What would lead you to expect
252:53 that? What would lead you to expect that? What you don't have any evidence
252:55 that? What you don't have any evidence for this or any mechanisms for this? So
252:58 for this or any mechanisms for this? So what do you mean you would expect that?
252:59 what do you mean you would expect that? That was that that doesn't make any
253:00 That was that that doesn't make any sense.
253:00 sense. >> But to be fair to be fair for us, I'm
253:03 >> But to be fair to be fair for us, I'm not a scientist. Like I'm not like you
253:05 not a scientist. Like I'm not like you guys. So like of course I personally
253:08 guys. So like of course I personally don't have uh a list of predictions that
253:12 don't have uh a list of predictions that I'm testing. There are people that do
253:14 I'm testing. There are people that do >> but it's not just you.
253:15 >> but it's not just you. >> There are people that do have that.
253:17 >> There are people that do have that. >> There is there is not a single
253:19 >> There is there is not a single intelligent design advocate yet that has
253:22 intelligent design advocate yet that has provided an actual explanatory testable
253:26 provided an actual explanatory testable predictable mechanism for design. That's
253:30 predictable mechanism for design. That's if if I come to you and I tell you that
253:32 if if I come to you and I tell you that you know I I can prove germ theory. If I
253:35 you know I I can prove germ theory. If I come to you and I say like I think
253:37 come to you and I say like I think there's these tiny little invisible
253:38 there's these tiny little invisible things that make you sick. Well, it's
253:41 things that make you sick. Well, it's not I'm probably gonna have to start
253:43 not I'm probably gonna have to start with like coke's postulates and move on
253:44 with like coke's postulates and move on from there and like develop a model to
253:46 from there and like develop a model to show you like, hey, here I can show you
253:48 show you like, hey, here I can show you these things exist. Here's the way they
253:51 these things exist. Here's the way they get into cells. Here's the way that they
253:53 get into cells. Here's the way that they create toxins. Here's the way they
253:54 create toxins. Here's the way they inject their DNA into things. I can show
253:57 inject their DNA into things. I can show you these experiments that show that DNA
253:59 you these experiments that show that DNA is genetic material and that it's passed
254:00 is genetic material and that it's passed into I can show you the step by step.
254:03 into I can show you the step by step. Here's the the thing. Here's the agent.
254:05 Here's the the thing. Here's the agent. Here's the mechanism. Here's the result.
254:08 Here's the mechanism. Here's the result. And now I can make a prediction. If this
254:09 And now I can make a prediction. If this happens, then that happens. If I expose
254:11 happens, then that happens. If I expose this rat to pneumonia, it's going to get
254:14 this rat to pneumonia, it's going to get sick and it's going to die. And now I
254:15 sick and it's going to die. And now I can do that in a lab and I can show it
254:17 can do that in a lab and I can show it to you. If somebody else comes along and
254:20 to you. If somebody else comes along and says and says, "No, actually, it's seed
254:22 says and says, "No, actually, it's seed oils. Seed oils cause disease. I just
254:26 oils. Seed oils cause disease. I just don't know how. And I and it's and they
254:28 don't know how. And I and it's and they don't give me anything. I shouldn't take
254:30 don't give me anything. I shouldn't take that seriously." Right? So like the fact
254:33 that seriously." Right? So like the fact is no intelligent design advocate has
254:35 is no intelligent design advocate has ever shown an agent for intelligent
254:37 ever shown an agent for intelligent design to be real, a mechanism by which
254:39 design to be real, a mechanism by which that agent works. Testable predictions
254:42 that agent works. Testable predictions about how intelligent design happens. A
254:44 about how intelligent design happens. A single experiment to demonstrate
254:46 single experiment to demonstrate intelligent design. There's no data.
254:48 intelligent design. There's no data. There are no numbers. There's no stats.
254:50 There are no numbers. There's no stats. There's nothing. All they have is well
254:53 There's nothing. All they have is well evolution can't explain this and that
254:56 evolution can't explain this and that means this other thing. And that's what
254:57 means this other thing. And that's what we call the false dilemma fallacy. It is
254:59 we call the false dilemma fallacy. It is a logical fallacy of thinking if
255:01 a logical fallacy of thinking if anything about that is wrong then this
255:03 anything about that is wrong then this must be right and that's simply not how
255:06 must be right and that's simply not how thinking works.
255:08 thinking works. >> That's just not true though. Like I I I
255:10 >> That's just not true though. Like I I I literally looked up different scientists
255:12 literally looked up different scientists as you were talking. There's Dr. Kurt
255:14 as you were talking. There's Dr. Kurt Weise PhD Harvard paleontology.
255:17 Weise PhD Harvard paleontology. >> He made me predict
255:21 >> He made me predict >> he he made mechanism record.
255:28 >> I don't know about mechanism. I'm trying to read it to you. It it says here he
255:30 to read it to you. It it says here he predicted that the fossil record would
255:31 predicted that the fossil record would show sudden appearances and stasis not
255:34 show sudden appearances and stasis not gradual transformation. It goes on to
255:36 gradual transformation. It goes on to talk about his work. There's another one
255:38 talk about his work. There's another one >> which is a concept which which by the
255:40 >> which is a concept which which by the way that was a concept that was that was
255:43 way that was a concept that was that was that was a concept coined by Steven J.
255:46 that was a concept coined by Steven J. >> Sorry that guy what you just described
255:48 >> Sorry that guy what you just described that is explaining punctuated
255:50 that is explaining punctuated equilibrium which was a term coined by
255:52 equilibrium which was a term coined by Steven Jay Gould one of the greatest
255:53 Steven Jay Gould one of the greatest evolutionary biologists of all time. So
255:55 evolutionary biologists of all time. So like
255:56 like >> side note side note side note side note
255:57 >> side note side note side note side note side note Kurt Weise was Steven Gould
256:00 side note Kurt Weise was Steven Gould student
256:01 student >> Kurt Weise was Steven Gouldold's student
256:04 >> Kurt Weise was Steven Gouldold's student he is he he is a creationist that is
256:06 he is he he is a creationist that is true but what forced is correct what
256:08 true but what forced is correct what he's describing there is a concept that
256:10 he's describing there is a concept that his own advisor invented and pitched to
256:13 his own advisor invented and pitched to the public called punctuated equilibrium
256:15 the public called punctuated equilibrium Kurt Weise did not say
256:18 Kurt Weise did not say >> I think we're going to find uh um
256:20 >> I think we're going to find uh um periods of change that are punctuated by
256:22 periods of change that are punctuated by long periods of of stasis and then we
256:24 long periods of of stasis and then we went out and discovered that that is not
256:27 went out and discovered that that is not historically what happened.
256:28 historically what happened. >> Um
256:29 >> Um >> that that and the history on this is
256:31 >> that that and the history on this is really really important because Kurt
256:33 really really important because Kurt Weise is also one of the very few young
256:35 Weise is also one of the very few young earth creationists and trust me Stevie I
256:37 earth creationists and trust me Stevie I am familiar with young earth
256:39 am familiar with young earth creationists and what they say and when
256:41 creationists and what they say and when they say it and who says what and who's
256:42 they say it and who says what and who's friends with who and who's associated
256:44 friends with who and who's associated with which organization. Kurt Weise is
256:46 with which organization. Kurt Weise is one of the few young earth creationists
256:48 one of the few young earth creationists along with Todd Wood um and I believe
256:50 along with Todd Wood um and I believe Marcus Ross who says that evolution has
256:53 Marcus Ross who says that evolution has phenomenal support for it. They'll say
256:56 phenomenal support for it. They'll say there's excellent support for evolution.
256:57 there's excellent support for evolution. They don't accept evolution due to
256:59 They don't accept evolution due to scriptural reasons. You can find these
257:02 scriptural reasons. You can find these guys get get into this in interviews and
257:05 guys get get into this in interviews and in um like on YouTube etc.
257:08 in um like on YouTube etc. >> But what I'm trying to say is for him to
257:10 >> But what I'm trying to say is for him to say there is nobody out there making
257:12 say there is nobody out there making predictions. There's nobody out there
257:14 predictions. There's nobody out there trying to test these things. It's just
257:16 trying to test these things. It's just simply false. That is not true. I have a
257:18 simply false. That is not true. I have a whole list here
257:19 whole list here papers and trying to do I mean if you
257:23 papers and trying to do I mean if you don't
257:25 don't >> I mean I didn't say they don't make any
257:27 >> I mean I didn't say they don't make any predictions and I didn't say they're not
257:28 predictions and I didn't say they're not trying to test things. I said that they
257:32 trying to test things. I said that they can't make novel testable predictions.
257:35 can't make novel testable predictions. That's different than saying they don't
257:36 That's different than saying they don't make predictions. They don't test
257:37 make predictions. They don't test things. That sure they try to test
257:39 things. That sure they try to test things. They can't say if creationism is
257:42 things. They can't say if creationism is true, this will now be true. And then
257:45 true, this will now be true. And then they test it and they find out that
257:46 they test it and they find out that they're right. They don't have a
257:48 they're right. They don't have a mechanism for creationism. They don't
257:50 mechanism for creationism. They don't have any explanatory power for
257:51 have any explanatory power for creationism. What they have is
257:53 creationism. What they have is scripture. And if I remember correctly,
257:56 scripture. And if I remember correctly, I I I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure
257:58 I I I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Kurt Weise is the one who it was either
258:01 Kurt Weise is the one who it was either him or some geologist who actually came
258:04 him or some geologist who actually came out and said, "If all the evidence in
258:06 out and said, "If all the evidence in the world proves to me that the Bible is
258:09 the world proves to me that the Bible is wrong, I will still say the Bible is
258:11 wrong, I will still say the Bible is correct." So like at the end of the day,
258:13 correct." So like at the end of the day, what you have here, I'm not here talking
258:16 what you have here, I'm not here talking about that though. That's that's a straw
258:17 about that though. That's that's a straw man. I'm not here talking about that.
258:19 man. I'm not here talking about that. But like for example,
258:20 But like for example, >> I didn't straw man you
258:21 >> I didn't straw man you >> to give you one example. Just to give
258:23 >> to give you one example. Just to give you one example, it says here uh
258:26 you one example, it says here uh obviously Dr. John Sanford, we're we're
258:28 obviously Dr. John Sanford, we're we're familiar with him. Also Dr. Georgia
258:30 familiar with him. Also Dr. Georgia Perdum, Dr. Nathaniel Geson's and
258:33 Perdum, Dr. Nathaniel Geson's and others. They claimed their claim was
258:36 others. They claimed their claim was common design predicts little or no junk
258:38 common design predicts little or no junk DNA. Then they went out and it says that
258:40 DNA. Then they went out and it says that they tested that and it it came out to
258:43 they tested that and it it came out to be true. So
258:45 be true. So >> I I have to I have to interrupt you here
258:47 >> I I have to I have to interrupt you here because I'm really I'm really really
258:49 because I'm really I'm really really really familiar with Georgia Perum's
258:52 really familiar with Georgia Perum's work and with Nathaniel Jensen's work
258:53 work and with Nathaniel Jensen's work and you can throw in Dr. Rob Carter. You
258:56 and you can throw in Dr. Rob Carter. You can throw in Stanford. You can throw in
258:57 can throw in Stanford. You can throw in Tomkins. I'm very very familiar with the
258:59 Tomkins. I'm very very familiar with the junk DNA argument. They did not do the
259:01 junk DNA argument. They did not do the experimentation for that. They're
259:03 experimentation for that. They're relying on the work of Encode, which was
259:06 relying on the work of Encode, which was a project from the early 2010s that
259:09 a project from the early 2010s that argued that you can find transcription,
259:12 argued that you can find transcription, a transcription signal for 80% of the
259:14 a transcription signal for 80% of the human genome. That is not the same thing
259:17 human genome. That is not the same thing as the genome being functional. And in
259:19 as the genome being functional. And in fact, we know for a fact that the entire
259:21 fact, we know for a fact that the entire genome is not functional because you can
259:24 genome is not functional because you can knock out portions, millions of base
259:26 knock out portions, millions of base pairs in the case of of the mouse
259:28 pairs in the case of of the mouse genome, which is how they experimented
259:29 genome, which is how they experimented on this. You can knock out millions of
259:31 on this. You can knock out millions of base pairs and the mouse can grow up,
259:34 base pairs and the mouse can grow up, reproduce, and give birth to offspring
259:36 reproduce, and give birth to offspring that themselves can go on to reproduce.
259:38 that themselves can go on to reproduce. So, we know that the full genome is not
259:40 So, we know that the full genome is not functional. They were incorrect on that.
259:42 functional. They were incorrect on that. But it doesn't even matter because that
259:44 But it doesn't even matter because that prediction was not made ahead of time.
259:47 prediction was not made ahead of time. People started claiming in the early
259:48 People started claiming in the early 2000s that the entire genome was not
259:50 2000s that the entire genome was not functional. The creationist said, "I
259:52 functional. The creationist said, "I don't think that that's true. I think
259:53 don't think that that's true. I think most of the genome is functional." And
259:55 most of the genome is functional." And what we've continued to find out the
259:57 what we've continued to find out the more we look into it is that the whole
259:58 more we look into it is that the whole genome isn't functional. Meaning that
260:01 genome isn't functional. Meaning that their prediction, which was really just
260:02 their prediction, which was really just an argument against a statement of of a
260:04 an argument against a statement of of a discovery, is not in fact true. Now,
260:07 discovery, is not in fact true. Now, Georgia Perum and Nathaniel Gansson were
260:10 Georgia Perum and Nathaniel Gansson were not the point people on the junk DNA
260:12 not the point people on the junk DNA story. They actually make completely
260:14 story. They actually make completely different arguments in their own areas
260:16 different arguments in their own areas of creationism. Nathaniel Gansson is big
260:18 of creationism. Nathaniel Gansson is big on arguing that the mutation rate and
260:20 on arguing that the mutation rate and the the substitution rate can actually
260:22 the the substitution rate can actually be interchangeable. They can't. But and
260:24 be interchangeable. They can't. But and he's he doesn't have a reason for
260:26 he's he doesn't have a reason for proposing that, but that's another
260:27 proposing that, but that's another story. I I'm I'm with both of you and I
260:31 story. I I'm I'm with both of you and I think we're all on the same page that
260:33 think we're all on the same page that creationists do try to make predictions.
260:35 creationists do try to make predictions. They do. That's fine. But where you and
260:38 They do. That's fine. But where you and forest are breaking down is Forest is
260:40 forest are breaking down is Forest is saying those predictions never come to
260:41 saying those predictions never come to fruition. And you're arguing that they
260:43 fruition. And you're arguing that they do make predictions. Those are those are
260:45 do make predictions. Those are those are different things. And I think we can
260:46 different things. And I think we can agree that those are different things.
260:47 agree that those are different things. And we can hash out whether or not
260:49 And we can hash out whether or not Forest is correct as to whether or not
260:51 Forest is correct as to whether or not their predictions ever come to fruition,
260:52 their predictions ever come to fruition, but to be clear, you guys are arguing
260:54 but to be clear, you guys are arguing different things here. Um, now we have
260:57 different things here. Um, now we have >> I want to be clear also.
260:59 >> I want to be clear also. >> That wasn't a straw man. By the way, I
261:00 >> That wasn't a straw man. By the way, I found it just really quickly. That was
261:02 found it just really quickly. That was not a straw man. You quoted Kurt W. You
261:05 not a straw man. You quoted Kurt W. You brought up Kurt Weise and I just found
261:07 brought up Kurt Weise and I just found the quote from Kurt Weise. If all the
261:09 the quote from Kurt Weise. If all the evidence in the universe turns against
261:11 evidence in the universe turns against creationism, I would be the first to
261:13 creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a
261:14 admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the
261:16 creationist because that is what the word of God seems to indicate. You want
261:17 word of God seems to indicate. You want to talk about something not being
261:19 to talk about something not being scientific. That is the definition of
261:21 scientific. That is the definition of not scientific. Um, and you also brought
261:24 not scientific. Um, and you also brought up a ton of people. You were like name
261:25 up a ton of people. You were like name dropping like crazy saying this person
261:27 dropping like crazy saying this person and this person and this person. There's
261:29 and this person and this person. There's also something for you to consider.
261:30 also something for you to consider. Something called Project Steve was an
261:33 Something called Project Steve was an initiative started by, I believe, the
261:35 initiative started by, I believe, the National Center for Science Education a
261:37 National Center for Science Education a little while ago. Project Steve is a
261:39 little while ago. Project Steve is a list. It is a a list of biologists that
261:41 list. It is a a list of biologists that they can sign up for. It's a um
261:43 they can sign up for. It's a um something that you sign up for yourself.
261:45 something that you sign up for yourself. It's not like they just go out looking
261:46 It's not like they just go out looking for people. Um it is a list of
261:48 for people. Um it is a list of biologists who sign on to this
261:50 biologists who sign on to this statement. Evolution is a vital vital
261:53 statement. Evolution is a vital vital wellsupported unifying principle of
261:56 wellsupported unifying principle of biological science and the scientific
261:58 biological science and the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of
262:00 evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the idea that all living things share a
262:02 the idea that all living things share a common ancestor. Although there are
262:04 common ancestor. Although there are legitimate debates about the patterns
262:06 legitimate debates about the patterns and processes of evolution, there is no
262:09 and processes of evolution, there is no serious scientific doubt that evolution
262:11 serious scientific doubt that evolution occurred or that natural selection is a
262:13 occurred or that natural selection is a major mechanism in its occurrence. It is
262:15 major mechanism in its occurrence. It is scientifically inappropriate and
262:16 scientifically inappropriate and pedagogically irresponsible for
262:18 pedagogically irresponsible for creationist pseudocience, including but
262:20 creationist pseudocience, including but not limited to intelligent design to be
262:22 not limited to intelligent design to be introduced to the science curricula of
262:24 introduced to the science curricula of our nation's public schools. Now, why is
262:26 our nation's public schools. Now, why is it called Project Steve? because every
262:28 it called Project Steve? because every single biologist who signs onto that
262:29 single biologist who signs onto that statement is also named Steve. And as of
262:34 statement is also named Steve. And as of right now, Project Steve has over 1,500
262:37 right now, Project Steve has over 1,500 signitories. So go out and find me a big
262:41 signitories. So go out and find me a big list of aundred a thousand creationist
262:43 list of aundred a thousand creationist scientists biologists who say that that
262:46 scientists biologists who say that that you know there's not enough evidence for
262:47 you know there's not enough evidence for evolution. Okay, there's over 1,500
262:50 evolution. Okay, there's over 1,500 biologists just named Steve who are
262:54 biologists just named Steve who are willing to say that that's wrong. And
262:56 willing to say that that's wrong. And that's not counting the other 98% of all
262:58 that's not counting the other 98% of all biologists in the world who all say
263:00 biologists in the world who all say there's no serious reason to talk about
263:02 there's no serious reason to talk about intelligent design or creationism. It
263:04 intelligent design or creationism. It has no scientific backing, no
263:06 has no scientific backing, no credibility, no reason to discuss it. So
263:09 credibility, no reason to discuss it. So with that, I'm going to give you the
263:10 with that, I'm going to give you the last words, Stevie. It has been now over
263:14 last words, Stevie. It has been now over almost two hours. We got to move on to
263:16 almost two hours. We got to move on to another call, but I want to let you
263:17 another call, but I want to let you respond to that.
263:18 respond to that. >> I want to say this was a blast of a
263:20 >> I want to say this was a blast of a call. I love this kind of call. I think
263:22 call. I love this kind of call. I think it's super fun. Yes,
263:23 it's super fun. Yes, >> I know we didn't talk about hominins and
263:24 >> I know we didn't talk about hominins and I know we didn't talk about the age of
263:25 I know we didn't talk about the age of the earth. I would love to talk about
263:26 the earth. I would love to talk about both of those with you, Stevie, at
263:28 both of those with you, Stevie, at sometime. Please call on again next time
263:30 sometime. Please call on again next time I'm on and we can we can dig into some
263:31 I'm on and we can we can dig into some of those topics, but I do think that we
263:34 of those topics, but I do think that we unfortunately we do have a lot of calls
263:35 unfortunately we do have a lot of calls that we have to get to. So, thank you
263:37 that we have to get to. So, thank you >> all.
263:38 >> all. >> Likewise and always.
263:39 >> Likewise and always. >> Yeah. Just just a conclude for us my uh
263:43 >> Yeah. Just just a conclude for us my uh you you had stated that they don't make
263:46 you you had stated that they don't make prediction. You know, creationists don't
263:48 prediction. You know, creationists don't make predictions and they don't test
263:49 make predictions and they don't test them. And so I'm not here to, you know,
263:52 them. And so I'm not here to, you know, I wasn't trying to debate
263:54 I wasn't trying to debate >> these people's life work because I'm not
263:56 >> these people's life work because I'm not prepared to do that, nor was I trying
263:57 prepared to do that, nor was I trying to. But
263:59 to. But >> it was just to say that that's just not
264:00 >> it was just to say that that's just not true. And I mean, I think we have the
264:02 true. And I mean, I think we have the rate project also. They like went out
264:04 rate project also. They like went out and tested things. So I just want to
264:06 and tested things. So I just want to just clear that. I I I agree with what
264:09 just clear that. I I I agree with what uh um Erica was saying, but I but there
264:13 uh um Erica was saying, but I but there I I just think a lot of what you said I
264:15 I I just think a lot of what you said I I I'm fine with and I agree with, but
264:17 I I'm fine with and I agree with, but there were some things I'm like, "Yeah,
264:18 there were some things I'm like, "Yeah, that's not true. Uh, so I just wanted to
264:21 that's not true. Uh, so I just wanted to point that out. But I do appreciate the
264:22 point that out. But I do appreciate the conversation.
264:23 conversation. >> Go ahead.
264:24 >> Go ahead. >> Sorry, just to be clear one more time. I
264:26 >> Sorry, just to be clear one more time. I didn't say that they don't make
264:27 didn't say that they don't make predictions. And I didn't say that they
264:28 predictions. And I didn't say that they don't run tests. I said they don't have
264:30 don't run tests. I said they don't have novel testable predictions on their
264:32 novel testable predictions on their side.
264:33 side. >> Meaning that they they can't go out and
264:35 >> Meaning that they they can't go out and say if evolution is wrong and
264:37 say if evolution is wrong and creationism is right, then I will find
264:39 creationism is right, then I will find this thing and then they go and find
264:41 this thing and then they go and find that thing. They try that and they fail.
264:44 that thing. They try that and they fail. Evolution, however, has a myriad of
264:46 Evolution, however, has a myriad of different examples of saying, "If
264:48 different examples of saying, "If evolution is true and the fossil record
264:50 evolution is true and the fossil record works and everything we know, then I
264:51 works and everything we know, then I should be able to find this kind of
264:53 should be able to find this kind of fossil here." And indeed, we do.
264:56 fossil here." And indeed, we do. >> Stephen, you literally the entire way to
264:58 >> Stephen, you literally the entire way to the
264:58 the >> Sorry, go ahead. You said The Rape
265:00 >> Sorry, go ahead. You said The Rape Project.
265:01 Project. >> You can't mention the Rape Project
265:02 >> You can't mention the Rape Project before we go. Please, you call in and
265:04 before we go. Please, you call in and talk to me about the Rape Project. I I
265:06 talk to me about the Rape Project. I I have read I have read the Rape Project.
265:09 have read I have read the Rape Project. I read their published volumes one and
265:12 I read their published volumes one and two. I read them. I would love to talk
265:14 two. I read them. I would love to talk to you about what the rape project
265:16 to you about what the rape project discovered. I can pull up quotes because
265:18 discovered. I can pull up quotes because I've got them saved in my computer. Call
265:20 I've got them saved in my computer. Call in another time. We'll talk about the
265:21 in another time. We'll talk about the rape project.
265:22 rape project. >> Thank you.
265:23 >> Thank you. >> But was just one last question. Was were
265:26 >> But was just one last question. Was were there creationists that were part of the
265:27 there creationists that were part of the rape project? Yes or no?
265:30 rape project? Yes or no? >> Yes.
265:32 >> Yes. >> There you go. Point proven. All right.
265:33 >> There you go. Point proven. All right. Thank you guys. I'll call in though,
265:36 Thank you guys. I'll call in though, Erica. We'll have that discussion. Okay.
265:37 Erica. We'll have that discussion. Okay. All right. Byebye.
265:38 All right. Byebye. >> Call in about the ring project. Bye.
265:41 >> Call in about the ring project. Bye. It was actually all creationists. The
265:43 It was actually all creationists. The whole rate project was creationists.
265:45 whole rate project was creationists. >> That's why I thought maybe I'm thinking
265:47 >> That's why I thought maybe I'm thinking the wrong thing. I just want to be sure.
265:48 the wrong thing. I just want to be sure. >> No. No. No. You're right. The whole
265:50 >> No. No. No. You're right. The whole thing was creationist.
265:52 thing was creationist. >> What is next? Is it super chats? I'm
265:55 >> What is next? Is it super chats? I'm working out my forearms while we're
265:56 working out my forearms while we're doing Oh. Oh, wait.
266:17 Sweet. >> We're getting passed off. We're going
266:19 >> We're getting passed off. We're going over to dad's house.
266:20 over to dad's house. >> Passed off.
266:21 >> Passed off. >> Mhm. Yeah.
266:22 >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Who's hosting?
266:24 >> Who's hosting? Who are we getting? Is it Morgan?
266:27 Who are we getting? Is it Morgan? >> Believe we're getting Luthian after
266:29 >> Believe we're getting Luthian after this. Yeah.
266:34 >> I didn't know that. >> No, he didn't. He He didn't actually.
266:37 >> No, he didn't. He He didn't actually. He's fine. He's fine.
266:40 He's fine. He's fine. >> What the
266:43 >> What the >> Why would you say I was like, "Oh my
266:45 >> Why would you say I was like, "Oh my god, Forest, you scared the [ __ ] out of
266:47 god, Forest, you scared the [ __ ] out of me. I have an un I have like an
266:49 me. I have an un I have like an unresponded to message from a Morgan."
266:51 unresponded to message from a Morgan." And I was thinking, "Oh my god."
266:53 And I was thinking, "Oh my god." >> That's what tipped him over. He was
266:55 >> That's what tipped him over. He was like, "Eric, Erica hates me and I can't
266:57 like, "Eric, Erica hates me and I can't live anymore." He was done because of
266:59 live anymore." He was done because of that.
267:00 that. >> Oh, I know.
267:02 >> Oh, I know. >> Oh, wait. No, actually, we'll wait for
267:03 >> Oh, wait. No, actually, we'll wait for super chats. We'll wait for super chats.
267:05 super chats. We'll wait for super chats. Yeah, we do super chats later.
267:08 Yeah, we do super chats later. >> Let's go.
267:10 >> Let's go. >> Oh, and also the chat
267:12 >> Oh, and also the chat >> the chat didn't hear any of that. But
267:15 >> the chat didn't hear any of that. But >> yeah, I realized that norm I have it
267:17 >> yeah, I realized that norm I have it turned off on the master just like by
267:19 turned off on the master just like by default and then I usually turn it back
267:20 default and then I usually turn it back on. But no, guys, we're going to do
267:22 on. But no, guys, we're going to do super chats at like 5:30 central time
267:25 super chats at like 5:30 central time because I'm leaving at 6 o'clock central
267:27 because I'm leaving at 6 o'clock central time. So that's what we're doing.
267:29 time. So that's what we're doing. >> There you go.
267:31 >> There you go. >> They're lazy and they just want to [ __ ]
267:33 >> They're lazy and they just want to [ __ ] out. Luck says, "I'm out of here."
267:35 out. Luck says, "I'm out of here." Unless I have to stay longer because
267:36 Unless I have to stay longer because apparently Jimmy's having internet
267:38 apparently Jimmy's having internet problems because they have storms
267:39 problems because they have storms tonight. So that's fun.
267:41 tonight. So that's fun. >> We're getting storms. The storm the
267:43 >> We're getting storms. The storm the whole southern hellscape that we all
267:45 whole southern hellscape that we all live in is getting storms. Actually, let
267:47 live in is getting storms. Actually, let me check.
267:47 me check. >> I'm so glad on my radar.
267:49 >> I'm so glad on my radar. >> Oregon, they go by really quickly. Like
267:51 >> Oregon, they go by really quickly. Like the like we'll get a storm, but it
267:53 the like we'll get a storm, but it usually like passes through pretty
267:54 usually like passes through pretty quick. So it's like, you know, that's
267:56 quick. So it's like, you know, that's what happened earlier that got so windy
267:58 what happened earlier that got so windy that the power went out.
268:00 that the power went out. >> Gotcha.
268:01 >> Gotcha. >> Mhm.
268:02 >> Mhm. What are we doing next? Which color are
268:05 What are we doing next? Which color are you going with?
268:06 you going with? >> I'm looking at my You tell me. I'm
268:08 >> I'm looking at my You tell me. I'm looking at my radar. My It's Things are
268:11 looking at my radar. My It's Things are good here in Tulsa. It's It's cloudy
268:12 good here in Tulsa. It's It's cloudy now. It was storming all last night. Now
268:14 now. It was storming all last night. Now that's moved over. It's over in Arkansas
268:17 that's moved over. It's over in Arkansas now. It's [ __ ] with Erica.
268:19 now. It's [ __ ] with Erica. >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
268:21 >> Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Um
268:23 Yep. Yep. Um >> a couple calls on deck.
268:25 >> a couple calls on deck. >> I know. I'm looking at them now. We got
268:27 >> I know. I'm looking at them now. We got some options. Um up to you.
268:32 some options. Um up to you. Okay. Uh, I say we go for number seven,
268:34 Okay. Uh, I say we go for number seven, which has been waiting for a very long
268:35 which has been waiting for a very long time. And then that'll probably be fast.
268:38 time. And then that'll probably be fast. >> That's an unreal amount of time to wait
268:40 >> That's an unreal amount of time to wait for. Yes, I agree.
268:42 for. Yes, I agree. >> Yeah. All right, we're going to go with
268:44 >> Yeah. All right, we're going to go with Fishy. Pronouns she and her calling in
268:46 Fishy. Pronouns she and her calling in all the way from Malaysia. Um, who wants
268:49 all the way from Malaysia. Um, who wants to know if she is atheist or agnostic.
268:52 to know if she is atheist or agnostic. Fishy, you are on the line with Forest
268:54 Fishy, you are on the line with Forest and Erica. How you doing today?
269:02 Fishy, are you there? Make sure your phone is awake. It says
269:04 Make sure your phone is awake. It says you're calling in. Says you're calling
269:05 you're calling in. Says you're calling in over the web caller. So, make sure to
269:07 in over the web caller. So, make sure to tap your phone and wake it up.
269:08 tap your phone and wake it up. Otherwise, we can't hear you.
269:10 Otherwise, we can't hear you. >> I was worried this would happen.
269:13 >> I was worried this would happen. >> 4 hours a long time to wait.
269:15 >> 4 hours a long time to wait. >> 4 hours, which means you might have just
269:18 >> 4 hours, which means you might have just fallen asleep and forgotten about us at
269:20 fallen asleep and forgotten about us at this point.
269:21 this point. >> That's kind of what I'm thinking. That's
269:22 >> That's kind of what I'm thinking. That's what I'm thinking, too.
269:25 what I'm thinking, too. >> We're going to give you some time.
269:29 >> We're going to give you some time. >> Fishy. No,
269:31 >> Fishy. No, Fishy, come back.
269:32 Fishy, come back. >> Well, Fishy's in the chat. Hold on.
269:34 >> Well, Fishy's in the chat. Hold on. Fishy's in the chat saying that she is
269:36 Fishy's in the chat saying that she is here.
269:39 here. >> Fishy, we can't hear you.
269:41 >> Fishy, we can't hear you. >> Fishy says that she will refresh.
269:48 You've been waiting for four goddamn hours. Surely you will call in and tell
269:52 hours. Surely you will call in and tell us what you think.
269:54 us what you think. Let's try again.
269:58 Let's try again. Call dropped, but it's showing.
270:03 Call dropped, but it's showing. I'm not going to move on from this.
270:10 Or five. 67. Oh, [ __ ] Is she dropped? And
270:13 67. Oh, [ __ ] Is she dropped? And immediately lines are full. Someone
270:15 immediately lines are full. Someone called in 16 seconds ago.
270:19 called in 16 seconds ago. 16. Okay.
270:22 16. Okay. Okay. Wait. How? I'm seeing only Oh. Oh.
270:26 Okay. Wait. How? I'm seeing only Oh. Oh. Oh, cuz we do. We count the Q too. Those
270:29 Oh, cuz we do. We count the Q too. Those aren't lines.
270:29 aren't lines. >> Yeah, that all counts as lines. Yeah.
270:32 >> Yeah, that all counts as lines. Yeah. >> Oh my god. Oh my god. I thought those
270:36 >> Oh my god. Oh my god. I thought those were dropped calls.
270:39 were dropped calls. >> No, those are all waiting.
270:41 >> No, those are all waiting. >> Oh no. Oh lord. Okay. All right. That's
270:45 >> Oh no. Oh lord. Okay. All right. That's fine.
270:46 fine. >> Is what it is.
270:49 >> Is what it is. >> I wanted to show everybody here's our
270:51 >> I wanted to show everybody here's our progress on the black candle. It's
270:53 progress on the black candle. It's almost all the way burned down. It's
270:54 almost all the way burned down. It's almost time to switch to a new candle.
270:57 almost time to switch to a new candle. >> Can Can we I'm going to vote.
271:01 >> Can Can we I'm going to vote. >> Let's Hey. Uh uh uh uh uh. Wait a
271:05 >> Let's Hey. Uh uh uh uh uh. Wait a second.
271:07 second. We have eight. What the [ __ ] Well, now
271:10 We have eight. What the [ __ ] Well, now it says we have lines full, but there's
271:11 it says we have lines full, but there's one initializing. This may be Fishy
271:13 one initializing. This may be Fishy coming back. Yes,
271:15 coming back. Yes, >> Fishy.
271:15 >> Fishy. >> We got Fishy back. Fishy, get in here.
271:19 >> We got Fishy back. Fishy, get in here. >> Hello,
271:20 >> Hello, >> Fishy. Are you there? Hello.
271:21 >> Fishy. Are you there? Hello. >> Hi, Fishy.
271:23 >> Hi, Fishy. Hello. Hi from Malaysia.
271:31 >> Fine, thank you. Uh, it's almost 6 a.m. here.
271:33 here. >> Thank you for waiting.
271:36 >> Thank you for waiting. >> Welcome. Welcome. I I'm thrilled to talk
271:41 >> Welcome. Welcome. I I'm thrilled to talk to you guys. I've been waiting.
271:45 to you guys. I've been waiting. >> We're glad to have you. Tell us a little
271:47 >> We're glad to have you. Tell us a little bit about your question.
271:54 Um, I I am a Buddhist
271:57 I I am a Buddhist uh fully born Chinese
272:02 uh fully born Chinese and
272:04 and I've been like questioning where is the
272:08 I've been like questioning where is the border between being agnosticist
272:13 border between being agnosticist and also atheist in a way.
272:29 >> Not quite. I in Buddhist I believe in afterlife.
272:31 afterlife. Not really after life, more like
272:34 Not really after life, more like reincarnation
272:36 reincarnation and also
272:38 and also like karma system.
272:43 like karma system. Not sure how it works without God.
272:46 Not sure how it works without God. A atheism is just whether or not you
272:48 A atheism is just whether or not you believe in a god. So like there are
272:50 believe in a god. So like there are atheists who believe in reincarnation.
272:51 atheists who believe in reincarnation. There are atheists who believe in
272:52 There are atheists who believe in afterles. There are atheists who believe
272:54 afterles. There are atheists who believe in ghosts and spirits. Um there are
272:57 in ghosts and spirits. Um there are atheists who believe in in all sorts of
272:58 atheists who believe in in all sorts of things. But if you believe in a god,
273:00 things. But if you believe in a god, then you're a theist. And if you don't
273:02 then you're a theist. And if you don't believe in a god, then you're an
273:03 believe in a god, then you're an atheist.
273:13 So even if I believe in like afterlife and stuff is still not really
273:17 afterlife and stuff is still not really connected to God. How it works? I I'm
273:20 connected to God. How it works? I I'm not sure.
273:22 not sure. >> That's that's up to you. There there are
273:24 >> That's that's up to you. There there are some people who think that necessarily
273:27 some people who think that necessarily if there's an afterlife there must be a
273:29 if there's an afterlife there must be a god as well. That person would just be a
273:32 god as well. That person would just be a theist. But if you don't think that
273:34 theist. But if you don't think that there's a god, doesn't matter what else
273:37 there's a god, doesn't matter what else you don't think. If you don't think
273:38 you don't think. If you don't think there's a god, then you're an atheist.
273:50 >> So the only thing is they got about disable.
273:52 disable. >> Yeah. And and there's a lot of things
273:53 >> Yeah. And and there's a lot of things like I I know Buddhism typically, if I
273:56 like I I know Buddhism typically, if I remember correctly, is secular. So, like
273:59 remember correctly, is secular. So, like there usually isn't a god claim there if
274:02 there usually isn't a god claim there if I remember right. Um, correct me if I'm
274:04 I remember right. Um, correct me if I'm wrong, please. But,
274:06 wrong, please. But, >> uh, I'm not quite because I'm all this
274:10 >> uh, I'm not quite because I'm all this I'm not really that deep into really
274:14 I'm not really that deep into really just CP.
274:16 just CP. >> Yeah.
274:22 >> All I'm saying is that that really is like the whole thing. So, like if uh if
274:27 like the whole thing. So, like if uh if you want to put a label on saying that
274:29 you want to put a label on saying that you're, you know, spiritual or that you
274:32 you're, you know, spiritual or that you have, you know, supernatural beliefs or
274:34 have, you know, supernatural beliefs or whatever else, those are your labels to
274:37 whatever else, those are your labels to decide on.
274:39 decide on. I promise you there's somebody else who
274:40 I promise you there's somebody else who will use them slightly differently than
274:42 will use them slightly differently than you.
274:44 you. >> Yeah. People like to argue about the
274:47 >> Yeah. People like to argue about the labels for a lot of stuff. And I I'm
274:50 labels for a lot of stuff. And I I'm sort of of the school that, you know,
274:52 sort of of the school that, you know, call yourself whatever you want. We'll
274:54 call yourself whatever you want. We'll get to the bottom of what you actually
274:56 get to the bottom of what you actually believe and then that's what we can
274:57 believe and then that's what we can actually have a conversation about. Um,
275:00 actually have a conversation about. Um, >> so, you know, yeah, if you don't if you
275:02 >> so, you know, yeah, if you don't if you don't believe in a god, then you're a
275:05 don't believe in a god, then you're a non-theist. And then that's a different
275:07 non-theist. And then that's a different conversation than or an atheist, I
275:09 conversation than or an atheist, I guess. And then that's a different
275:10 guess. And then that's a different conversation than, you know, what what
275:12 conversation than, you know, what what kind of supernatural beliefs do you or
275:14 kind of supernatural beliefs do you or do you not believe in? And we can sort
275:16 do you not believe in? And we can sort of delve into those kinds of things
275:17 of delve into those kinds of things separately. Um,
275:20 separately. Um, >> but you know, people people like to
275:22 >> but you know, people people like to argue about labels. I'm not one of those
275:24 argue about labels. I'm not one of those people. I think that it's you call
275:25 people. I think that it's you call yourself what you want and then we can
275:27 yourself what you want and then we can we can get into the meat and potatoes
275:28 we can get into the meat and potatoes about what you actually think. That's
275:30 about what you actually think. That's that's kind of what matters to me.
275:32 that's kind of what matters to me. >> Unless you're a vegetarian.
275:34 >> Unless you're a vegetarian. >> I'm not into I'm not into labels.
275:42 >> I don't believe in vegetarian. Meat is too tasty.
275:50 Well, Fishy, did that answer your question, do you think? Or do you want
275:52 question, do you think? Or do you want to get into a little bit more? What What
275:53 to get into a little bit more? What What are your What's your vibe on the whole
275:55 are your What's your vibe on the whole deal?
276:03 >> I'm not sure what else to question. Maybe you would like to know more about
276:08 Maybe you would like to know more about how I deal with the religion or
276:11 how I deal with the religion or something.
276:13 something. I'm not sure.
276:16 I'm not sure. This is this is your moment. So you you
276:18 This is this is your moment. So you you call in with a claim or an argument and
276:20 call in with a claim or an argument and we'll let you know.
276:22 we'll let you know. >> Yeah, we can talk about if if you want
276:25 >> Yeah, we can talk about if if you want we can discuss a topic of your choosing
276:28 we can discuss a topic of your choosing the with regard to like supernatural
276:30 the with regard to like supernatural beliefs or whatever or you can call it I
276:33 beliefs or whatever or you can call it I mean you wait. You're the one who
276:34 mean you wait. You're the one who waited. It's it's all you my friend.
276:51 uh do do you like believe in like
276:54 like even incarnation reincarnation or
276:59 even incarnation reincarnation or the comic system?
277:03 the comic system? No,
277:04 No, >> I don't.
277:10 >> I like the idea of karma. I wish I want karma to be true really badly. I would
277:12 karma to be true really badly. I would really love it if everybody got their
277:14 really love it if everybody got their comeuppants in some especially that man
277:17 comeuppants in some especially that man up there.
277:19 up there. >> Oh, tell me about it. I We could be
277:22 >> Oh, tell me about it. I We could be talking about that man out there. We
277:24 talking about that man out there. We could be talking about like eight
277:25 could be talking about like eight different guys right now in the higher
277:27 different guys right now in the higher echelons of power as far as evil
277:30 echelons of power as far as evil >> men are going unfortunately. But um
277:34 >> men are going unfortunately. But um yeah, I mean I I would like it to be the
277:35 yeah, I mean I I would like it to be the case. I just haven't seen for for karma
277:37 case. I just haven't seen for for karma unless it's something that activates in
277:39 unless it's something that activates in some kind of afterlife. I don't see
277:41 some kind of afterlife. I don't see unfortunately I see a lot of people
277:43 unfortunately I see a lot of people getting away with a lot of really
277:44 getting away with a lot of really horrible stuff. So I'm I'm doubtful on
277:47 horrible stuff. So I'm I'm doubtful on the karma thing. Reincarnation I feel
277:49 the karma thing. Reincarnation I feel kind of the same way about it. I think
277:50 kind of the same way about it. I think if reincarnation is something that
277:52 if reincarnation is something that happens either there are more souls
277:55 happens either there are more souls around like I it's hard to put an exact
277:56 around like I it's hard to put an exact tally on it because it seems like
277:58 tally on it because it seems like populations of a lot of things are going
278:00 populations of a lot of things are going up and so it's like are new souls sort
278:03 up and so it's like are new souls sort of coming into the picture etc. Um, or
278:06 of coming into the picture etc. Um, or you know, are we talking about life on
278:07 you know, are we talking about life on other pl in other places on other
278:09 other pl in other places on other planets, too? That's kind of something
278:10 planets, too? That's kind of something that gets to me. And I think if
278:12 that gets to me. And I think if reincarnation is a thing,
278:14 reincarnation is a thing, >> it had to be like there has to be like a
278:16 >> it had to be like there has to be like a mind wipe or something going on because
278:17 mind wipe or something going on because I think certainly people aren't
278:20 I think certainly people aren't seemingly holding over past memories, at
278:22 seemingly holding over past memories, at least in at least the majority of time.
278:24 least in at least the majority of time. Um, that's my thoughts on it, but I
278:26 Um, that's my thoughts on it, but I unfortunately I have to pee again
278:28 unfortunately I have to pee again because I've drank so much coffee and so
278:29 because I've drank so much coffee and so much water. So, Forest, give your
278:31 much water. So, Forest, give your thoughts and I'll be right back.
278:33 thoughts and I'll be right back. I I would say the same thing like it
278:35 I I would say the same thing like it it's a lot of like what we talked about
278:37 it's a lot of like what we talked about with the last call as well like if there
278:39 with the last call as well like if there is such a thing as reincarnation and and
278:41 is such a thing as reincarnation and and karma and all that. Okay, how do we
278:44 karma and all that. Okay, how do we quantify a good action versus a bad
278:47 quantify a good action versus a bad action? What are the points and who's
278:49 action? What are the points and who's keeping track of the points? Um what is
278:52 keeping track of the points? Um what is the mechanism by which souls are able to
278:55 the mechanism by which souls are able to move from one body to the next? Can we
278:57 move from one body to the next? Can we demonstrate that souls exist in the
278:59 demonstrate that souls exist in the first place? like there's just a ton of
279:01 first place? like there's just a ton of stuff there that just doesn't add up for
279:03 stuff there that just doesn't add up for me. Um, and a bunch of stuff that
279:05 me. Um, and a bunch of stuff that doesn't have any evidence going towards
279:06 doesn't have any evidence going towards it. So, it would be a stretch for me to
279:09 it. So, it would be a stretch for me to believe in something.
279:12 believe in something. >> Yeah, it's too it's too wide of a space
279:15 >> Yeah, it's too it's too wide of a space to think think of uh actual testing
279:19 to think think of uh actual testing system for how it works and how all the
279:23 system for how it works and how all the stuff are connected to each other.
279:26 stuff are connected to each other. >> I see what you mean by that.
279:31 >> I see what you mean by that. So there's just there's a lot of it's
279:32 So there's just there's a lot of it's just like with when we were talking
279:33 just like with when we were talking about intelligent design earlier. It
279:35 about intelligent design earlier. It it's a cool idea maybe, but like you
279:39 it's a cool idea maybe, but like you have to first prove that a lot of things
279:41 have to first prove that a lot of things exist and then what they can do and then
279:43 exist and then what they can do and then that they do those things. Those are all
279:46 that they do those things. Those are all very big questions that you have yet to
279:48 very big questions that you have yet to answer if we're going to believe in
279:49 answer if we're going to believe in this.
279:50 this. >> Yeah.
279:55 >> Anyway, I hope this answers your question. You waited for a very long
279:57 question. You waited for a very long time, so I don't want to cut you off. if
279:58 time, so I don't want to cut you off. if you have anything else you want to ask
279:59 you have anything else you want to ask us.
280:01 us. >> I think that's all I have for now, I
280:04 >> I think that's all I have for now, I guess.
280:05 guess. >> Thank you for the time and I love your
280:11 >> Thank you for the time and I love your sex and sensibility
280:13 sex and sensibility show that you produce.
280:16 show that you produce. >> Thank you.
280:17 >> Thank you. Thank you very much. It's really kind of
280:19 Thank you very much. It's really kind of you. Have an awesome rest of your day,
280:21 you. Have an awesome rest of your day, Fishy. I really appreciate your time.
280:23 Fishy. I really appreciate your time. >> All right. Thank you. You too.
280:27 >> All right. Thank you. You too. Bye-bye.
280:29 Bye-bye. I hope Reincarnation's real and I hope
280:31 I hope Reincarnation's real and I hope that Donald Trump comes back as a goose
280:33 that Donald Trump comes back as a goose so I can wipe my ass with his neck.
280:36 so I can wipe my ass with his neck. >> Oh god,
280:36 >> Oh god, >> I learned about that today.
280:38 >> I learned about that today. >> I learned about that today.
280:39 >> I learned about that today. >> I wouldn't want him I don't want him
280:41 >> I wouldn't want him I don't want him anywhere near my ass. I'll have you know
280:45 anywhere near my ass. I'll have you know he'd he would attack that evil evil
280:48 he'd he would attack that evil evil goose.
280:49 goose. >> Yeah, goose has way too much like
280:50 >> Yeah, goose has way too much like ability to actually screw people up.
280:52 ability to actually screw people up. Like you don't want that demon spirit in
280:54 Like you don't want that demon spirit in a [ __ ] goose. Are you kidding?
280:57 a [ __ ] goose. Are you kidding? >> It's too too powerful. Too
280:58 >> It's too too powerful. Too >> put them in a bucket.
281:01 >> put them in a bucket. >> I I use that if I ever have a homestead.
281:04 >> I I use that if I ever have a homestead. >> Beautiful. Powerful
281:06 >> Beautiful. Powerful >> homestead. We're all
281:08 >> homestead. We're all >> Does it work on chickens, too? Just like
281:09 >> Does it work on chickens, too? Just like put a bucket on a chicken. It probably
281:11 put a bucket on a chicken. It probably would work for like an angry rooster, I
281:13 would work for like an angry rooster, I imagine.
281:14 imagine. >> They're They're too quick. They're
281:15 >> They're They're too quick. They're quick.
281:17 quick. the the millennial zillennial urge to
281:20 the the millennial zillennial urge to commune and homestead is so powerful. I
281:23 commune and homestead is so powerful. I don't know a single person who's not
281:24 don't know a single person who's not talking about communing or or
281:26 talking about communing or or homesteading right now.
281:27 homesteading right now. >> I'm trying to get people to move up to
281:28 >> I'm trying to get people to move up to Oregon so that we can all get a really
281:31 Oregon so that we can all get a really nice contract and buy some land
281:32 nice contract and buy some land together. I've we've convinced one of
281:34 together. I've we've convinced one of our friends to do it already. I'm so
281:36 our friends to do it already. I'm so psyched.
281:37 psyched. >> You are so lucky. Oregon. My dream. My
281:41 >> You are so lucky. Oregon. My dream. My dream.
281:42 dream. >> Erica.
281:43 >> Erica. >> Erica lives in Kentucky and all she
281:44 >> Erica lives in Kentucky and all she wants to do is move to Oregon.
281:45 wants to do is move to Oregon. >> Yeah. Just spend thousands of dollars to
281:47 >> Yeah. Just spend thousands of dollars to get up here. That's all you have to do.
281:50 get up here. That's all you have to do. >> Yeah. Don't tire yourself out with that
281:52 >> Yeah. Don't tire yourself out with that backstroke.
281:53 backstroke. >> Whatever. Next call.
281:56 >> Whatever. Next call. >> The the No, I did it. I [ __ ] I had
281:59 >> The the No, I did it. I [ __ ] I had chickens, geese, ducks, and pigs for a
282:01 chickens, geese, ducks, and pigs for a little while. It was radical. And a
282:03 little while. It was radical. And a goat.
282:05 goat. Uh it was tight. Uh and it was the
282:08 Uh it was tight. Uh and it was the stinkiest time of my life. And I missed
282:10 stinkiest time of my life. And I missed them all dearly.
282:12 them all dearly. >> No. The stinkiest time of my life was
282:14 >> No. The stinkiest time of my life was when I was raising Triops and they smell
282:17 when I was raising Triops and they smell so bad. Triups are so stinky.
282:21 so bad. Triups are so stinky. >> I've got Okay, so on my property
282:24 >> I've got Okay, so on my property >> on my I say on my property like I've got
282:25 >> on my I say on my property like I've got a huge [ __ ] land in my backyard of my
282:28 a huge [ __ ] land in my backyard of my shitty little house. I've got this
282:30 shitty little house. I've got this disgusting [ __ ] pond. Like it's just
282:33 disgusting [ __ ] pond. Like it's just rancid because it has no circulation, no
282:36 rancid because it has no circulation, no aeration. It's got trees overhanging it
282:38 aeration. It's got trees overhanging it that fill it up. The water is black.
282:41 that fill it up. The water is black. It's got tube effects worms and
282:42 It's got tube effects worms and rattailed maggots living in it. It is
282:45 rattailed maggots living in it. It is disgusting. Um and uh I want so badly to
282:49 disgusting. Um and uh I want so badly to see if I I want to see if I can grow
282:51 see if I I want to see if I can grow triops in there and if they'll eat
282:53 triops in there and if they'll eat everything. You know what I mean? Be
282:54 everything. You know what I mean? Be tight.
282:54 tight. >> Oh, that'd be nice. That'd be nice. They
282:57 >> Oh, that'd be nice. That'd be nice. They get they get bigger than you think they
282:59 get they get bigger than you think they do and they are I eventually had to move
283:01 do and they are I eventually had to move mine to the garage because they were
283:03 mine to the garage because they were just and they don't live very long.
283:05 just and they don't live very long. That's the sad part, too, is they they
283:07 That's the sad part, too, is they they die really quickly and then it's like
283:08 die really quickly and then it's like then I just have stinky Triops corpses.
283:10 then I just have stinky Triops corpses. And I I dissected them and was looking
283:13 And I I dissected them and was looking at them under the microscope, which was
283:14 at them under the microscope, which was really cool, but it was smelly, smelly,
283:16 really cool, but it was smelly, smelly, stinky work. And I don't think my
283:17 stinky work. And I don't think my microscope ever recovered. It still
283:19 microscope ever recovered. It still stinks like Triops. Probably I might be
283:21 stinks like Triops. Probably I might be imagining some of that. That might be an
283:23 imagining some of that. That might be an exaggeration.
283:25 exaggeration. >> To the person in the chat, uh Oliver was
283:27 >> To the person in the chat, uh Oliver was not a goat. Oliver was the sheep uh that
283:29 not a goat. Oliver was the sheep uh that I borrowed to make that video. My goat's
283:31 I borrowed to make that video. My goat's name was Millie, and she was insane. Uh
283:34 name was Millie, and she was insane. Uh Millie did this awesome thing all the
283:37 Millie did this awesome thing all the time where it was her favorite game that
283:39 time where it was her favorite game that she would try to put her mouth inside my
283:41 she would try to put her mouth inside my mouth.
283:42 mouth. >> I don't know why, but she would just get
283:44 >> I don't know why, but she would just get up in and like try to get her and I just
283:47 up in and like try to get her and I just I would be driving with this [ __ ]
283:49 I would be driving with this [ __ ] baby goat in my lap cuz she would scream
283:51 baby goat in my lap cuz she would scream if I wasn't holding her. And I'd be
283:53 if I wasn't holding her. And I'd be speeding down the freeway and this thing
283:55 speeding down the freeway and this thing stands up on my chest like Millie Millie
283:57 stands up on my chest like Millie Millie Millie. We're going to die. Millie Milly
283:58 Millie. We're going to die. Millie Milly Milly Milly.
284:00 Milly Milly. >> Did you only have one? It
284:01 >> Did you only have one? It >> was a great time.
284:02 >> was a great time. >> Yeah. Well, it was given to me is it
284:05 >> Yeah. Well, it was given to me is it >> okay?
284:06 >> okay? >> It it was a not really a gift is that
284:08 >> It it was a not really a gift is that she was an orphan and she was just
284:10 she was an orphan and she was just horrible looking and and very small and
284:13 horrible looking and and very small and premature. And so we didn't know what to
284:16 premature. And so we didn't know what to do. And so my friend called me, my
284:17 do. And so my friend called me, my friend Katie, [ __ ] you Katie if you're
284:19 friend Katie, [ __ ] you Katie if you're listening, calls me in the middle of the
284:21 listening, calls me in the middle of the night and says, "Hey Forest, can you
284:23 night and says, "Hey Forest, can you take care of a baby goat?" And I said,
284:25 take care of a baby goat?" And I said, "Absolutely not." And she said, "Okay,
284:27 "Absolutely not." And she said, "Okay, open your front door." And I do. And
284:29 open your front door." And I do. And she's there with this goddamn baby goat.
284:31 she's there with this goddamn baby goat. And now I have a baby goat. And so Amber
284:34 And now I have a baby goat. And so Amber and I raise this [ __ ] goat in diapers
284:38 and I raise this [ __ ] goat in diapers because we couldn't put it outside. It
284:39 because we couldn't put it outside. It would scream. So we've got a baby goat
284:41 would scream. So we've got a baby goat in diapers and the diaper falls off cuz
284:44 in diapers and the diaper falls off cuz it kicks and hops. So we have to put a
284:46 it kicks and hops. So we have to put a jumper on it. So it's wearing literal
284:48 jumper on it. So it's wearing literal infant clothes. It's got a little shirt
284:50 infant clothes. It's got a little shirt and a little pants and and and a diaper
284:52 and a little pants and and and a diaper butt and it's just bouncing around my
284:54 butt and it's just bouncing around my [ __ ] house all day long.
284:57 [ __ ] house all day long. >> And she slept in our bed and she'd curl
284:59 >> And she slept in our bed and she'd curl up by my legs. And her other favorite
285:01 up by my legs. And her other favorite game was to wait until exactly 3:00 a.m.
285:04 game was to wait until exactly 3:00 a.m. on the dot to jump with her full body
285:07 on the dot to jump with her full body weight on her pointy little hooves
285:09 weight on her pointy little hooves directly onto either my neck or my
285:11 directly onto either my neck or my scrotum. Either one. It was one or the
285:14 scrotum. Either one. It was one or the other. Every [ __ ] night. Every single
285:16 other. Every [ __ ] night. Every single night.
285:18 night. >> Yeah, that a hoofed a hoofed animal in
285:22 >> Yeah, that a hoofed a hoofed animal in the house is a tough cell for me. Most
285:24 the house is a tough cell for me. Most of my experience with hooved animals. I
285:25 of my experience with hooved animals. I I grew up around horses, so a lot of
285:28 I grew up around horses, so a lot of being scared of big horses, but actually
285:30 being scared of big horses, but actually liking them, too. But my undergraduate
285:32 liking them, too. But my undergraduate degree was in animal science. It was the
285:34 degree was in animal science. It was the prevet animal science, so I had to take
285:36 prevet animal science, so I had to take a lot of like non-ag classes, but I also
285:38 a lot of like non-ag classes, but I also had to take a lot of ad classes. I hate
285:40 had to take a lot of ad classes. I hate sheep so much. I hate a sheep. I hate a
285:43 sheep so much. I hate a sheep. I hate a sheep. I do not want to be near them. I
285:46 sheep. I do not want to be near them. I don't like them. Male sheep in
285:48 don't like them. Male sheep in particular, rams. This one time we were
285:50 particular, rams. This one time we were we were doing um we were deworming the
285:52 we were doing um we were deworming the sheep and it was this horrible
285:53 sheep and it was this horrible thunderstorm and we were having to do
285:55 thunderstorm and we were having to do this in this gigantic metal like sheet
285:57 this in this gigantic metal like sheet metal barn. It was horrific, awful
285:59 metal barn. It was horrific, awful experience. Anyways, Muffin, who was the
286:02 experience. Anyways, Muffin, who was the male ram that you know, our ram that
286:04 male ram that you know, our ram that lived amongst the flock, he was out in
286:07 lived amongst the flock, he was out in pasture already cuz we already dewormed
286:09 pasture already cuz we already dewormed him. But then one of the sheep got loose
286:10 him. But then one of the sheep got loose and like she managed to make it out into
286:12 and like she managed to make it out into the pasture and I was trying to go get
286:13 the pasture and I was trying to go get her and I did. I wasn't keeping track of
286:15 her and I did. I wasn't keeping track of Muffin and you have to keep track of
286:16 Muffin and you have to keep track of Muffin because Muffin put his head down
286:18 Muffin because Muffin put his head down and just rammed the ever living [ __ ] out
286:21 and just rammed the ever living [ __ ] out of my side and I felt, you know, I I was
286:24 of my side and I felt, you know, I I was I was downed immediately and he comes
286:26 I was downed immediately and he comes around for round two and he does like
286:27 around for round two and he does like the Nat Geo like rears up and then falls
286:30 the Nat Geo like rears up and then falls to the side directly into my abdomen
286:32 to the side directly into my abdomen just directly into my stomach.
286:35 just directly into my stomach. >> Wind knocked out of me. I stand up as
286:37 >> Wind knocked out of me. I stand up as fast as I can and I'm just making a
286:38 fast as I can and I'm just making a beline. I've never run so fast or
286:40 beline. I've never run so fast or vaulted so gracefully over a fence. And
286:43 vaulted so gracefully over a fence. And that same night I started my period for
286:45 that same night I started my period for for that month because I think he
286:46 for that month because I think he jostled it loose.
286:48 jostled it loose. >> I think I think my uterus was like
286:51 >> I think I think my uterus was like eject. Get this [ __ ] out of here. It was
286:53 eject. Get this [ __ ] out of here. It was miserable. And and you know the wool
286:56 miserable. And and you know the wool stinks too cuz they secrete the the um
286:59 stinks too cuz they secrete the the um linenoline something like that. It's
287:01 linenoline something like that. It's some kind of oil.
287:04 some kind of oil. >> Yeah. Lolin. That's it. And it's so
287:05 >> Yeah. Lolin. That's it. And it's so stinky. It's so smelly. I hate it. And
287:08 stinky. It's so smelly. I hate it. And again, I had to throw my outfit away. It
287:10 again, I had to throw my outfit away. It wasn't a good outfit, but my shirt was
287:11 wasn't a good outfit, but my shirt was It was a good shirt.
287:14 It was a good shirt. >> You kind of put I I don't want to talk
287:16 >> You kind of put I I don't want to talk about this anymore. I don't like sheep.
287:18 about this anymore. I don't like sheep. I don't like them.
287:21 I don't like them. >> Let's take
287:23 >> Let's take a
287:23 a >> I'm currently scrolling back a thousand
287:25 >> I'm currently scrolling back a thousand years on my Instagram to try to find a
287:27 years on my Instagram to try to find a picture of Millie.
287:29 picture of Millie. She was great.
287:31 She was great. >> She's such a [ __ ] pass.
287:34 >> She's such a [ __ ] pass. >> Just just an issue. Millie.
287:37 >> Just just an issue. Millie. >> Mama.
287:38 >> Mama. >> Oh, I miss Millie. She was weird. She
287:40 >> Oh, I miss Millie. She was weird. She was such a [ __ ] weird creature. What
287:42 was such a [ __ ] weird creature. What a strange time in our lives.
287:44 a strange time in our lives. >> Uh,
287:44 >> Uh, >> yeah, that's a wild
287:48 >> yeah, that's a wild >> I suppose it is. Is is it is now the
287:50 >> I suppose it is. Is is it is now the time for super chats? Is super chats
287:52 time for super chats? Is super chats happening now?
287:54 happening now? >> I mean, I think we were planning on
287:56 >> I mean, I think we were planning on waiting a little bit. Um, [ __ ]
287:58 waiting a little bit. Um, [ __ ] >> I mean, so basically like, yeah, so long
288:01 >> I mean, so basically like, yeah, so long as their internet starts to work because
288:03 as their internet starts to work because apparently they're having all kinds of
288:04 apparently they're having all kinds of issues with this. The plan is starting
288:06 issues with this. The plan is starting at 5:30 central, start super chats or
288:09 at 5:30 central, start super chats or like I guess around then. So if we were
288:11 like I guess around then. So if we were to start a call right now and have like
288:12 to start a call right now and have like cut it off at 30 minutes or whatever. Uh
288:15 cut it off at 30 minutes or whatever. Uh or if you want to do another call all
288:16 or if you want to do another call all the way to an hour, then I guess we can
288:18 the way to an hour, then I guess we can trade off before you start super chats
288:21 trade off before you start super chats at 6 p.m.
288:22 at 6 p.m. >> and I don't we don't have to worry about
288:24 >> and I don't we don't have to worry about any of that cuz our job is to just sit
288:25 any of that cuz our job is to just sit up here and talk. probably need to like
288:28 up here and talk. probably need to like refresh or something cuz we're I'm I'm
288:30 refresh or something cuz we're I'm I'm going to switch off my computer and
288:31 going to switch off my computer and they're going to start I mean like so it
288:33 they're going to start I mean like so it should be like
288:34 should be like >> more or less seamless for the audience
288:36 >> more or less seamless for the audience but you guys might have to refresh just
288:37 but you guys might have to refresh just like you did earlier when my power went
288:39 like you did earlier when my power went out.
288:40 out. >> Our job is easy. We we dawn our little
288:43 >> Our job is easy. We we dawn our little fez and we slap our little symbols
288:45 fez and we slap our little symbols together and do do the do the show.
288:47 together and do do the do the show. >> Dance monkey dance.
288:49 >> Dance monkey dance. >> We dance monkey day. Exactly. Exactly.
288:53 >> We dance monkey day. Exactly. Exactly. Well, I my vote is that we take another
288:55 Well, I my vote is that we take another call. I think that we can do
288:59 call. I think that we can do one of these. I'm trying to figure out
289:02 one of these. I'm trying to figure out which one I think is actually doable.
289:04 which one I think is actually doable. >> I I can't find a picture of of
289:06 >> I I can't find a picture of of >> I can't find a picture of Millie, but I
289:08 >> I can't find a picture of Millie, but I did find this picture of of Gilly and
289:10 did find this picture of of Gilly and Lucy the geese. They're great.
289:13 Lucy the geese. They're great. >> I Oh. Oh, now I'm looking at them.
289:15 >> I Oh. Oh, now I'm looking at them. Sorry. I was looking at chat or I was
289:17 Sorry. I was looking at chat or I was looking at the Colin studio
289:20 looking at the Colin studio for you. You got to focus, brother.
289:22 for you. You got to focus, brother. Focus. Which one of these do you want to
289:24 Focus. Which one of these do you want to take?
289:24 take? >> No.
289:26 >> No. Uh [ __ ] uh I'm
289:29 Uh [ __ ] uh I'm >> No, I won't be doing that. Actually, I
289:30 >> No, I won't be doing that. Actually, I won't
289:31 won't >> I say line line 15 is what I would be
289:34 >> I say line line 15 is what I would be interested in.
289:36 interested in. >> All right,
289:36 >> All right, >> that would be a long one.
289:37 >> that would be a long one. >> I that's my concern, but also neither of
289:41 >> I that's my concern, but also neither of us are physicists, so I I'm always
289:43 us are physicists, so I I'm always comfortable taking the physics class.
289:44 comfortable taking the physics class. >> Well, if if we're going for a shorter
289:46 >> Well, if if we're going for a shorter one, then line 22.
289:53 >> Okay, line 22. Yeah, we can do that fast. I'm gonna
289:55 Yeah, we can do that fast. I'm gonna punt that directly into your square
289:57 punt that directly into your square though.
289:59 though. >> Cocking balls. Let's go for Adam.
290:02 >> Cocking balls. Let's go for Adam. Pronouns he him. Uh James, hang on a
290:04 Pronouns he him. Uh James, hang on a minute. We're gonna get to you next.
290:05 minute. We're gonna get to you next. Let's talk to Adam. Uh pronouns he him
290:08 Let's talk to Adam. Uh pronouns he him calling in all the way from uh Nimble
290:12 calling in all the way from uh Nimble Yaks who says wants to talk about
290:15 Yaks who says wants to talk about neoponouns. Adam, you are on the line
290:18 neoponouns. Adam, you are on the line with Forest and Erica. How you doing
290:20 with Forest and Erica. How you doing today?
290:21 today? >> Hello.
290:23 >> Hello. >> Hello. Hi.
290:25 >> Hello. Hi. >> Hi. Um, I actually met both of you guys
290:28 >> Hi. Um, I actually met both of you guys at uh, Baja Con in uh, August.
290:32 at uh, Baja Con in uh, August. >> Forest, you and I ate dinner together.
290:34 >> Forest, you and I ate dinner together. Um, and we talked about my um,
290:37 Um, and we talked about my um, >> deconstruction from 12step programs and
290:39 >> deconstruction from 12step programs and I asked both of you the question about
290:41 I asked both of you the question about whale biology if you remember, but
290:43 whale biology if you remember, but probably not.
290:44 probably not. >> Awesome. Or so I I don't I still don't
290:47 >> Awesome. Or so I I don't I still don't remember much of that dinner, but like
290:49 remember much of that dinner, but like yeah, that's that sounds about right.
290:51 yeah, that's that sounds about right. >> I remember that. Um,
290:54 >> I remember that. Um, >> not because I was drunk. I was heavily
290:55 >> not because I was drunk. I was heavily medicated, y'all. That's what happened.
290:58 medicated, y'all. That's what happened. >> Yes, I remember
291:01 >> Yes, I remember looked at that chat.
291:04 looked at that chat. >> I I looked really bad. My face was just
291:06 >> I I looked really bad. My face was just one big red balloon.
291:08 one big red balloon. >> He was really He looked really selfies
291:12 >> He was really He looked really selfies with anybody that night. You made
291:13 with anybody that night. You made everybody wait because you didn't look
291:14 everybody wait because you didn't look good.
291:17 good. >> Anyway,
291:19 >> Anyway, >> that's funny.
291:21 >> that's funny. Um, so qu so my um thing I wanted to
291:24 Um, so qu so my um thing I wanted to bring up nor I would have this is
291:26 bring up nor I would have this is something I would uh call Tacis about
291:28 something I would uh call Tacis about but I'm always working then but maybe
291:30 but I'm always working then but maybe Lux will chime in with their um
291:34 Lux will chime in with their um >> they don't know anything. We're we're
291:36 >> they don't know anything. We're we're here for you.
291:38 here for you. >> So
291:40 >> So but basically my question was about
291:44 but basically my question was about >> um
291:44 >> um >> yeah nobody needs me here.
291:47 >> yeah nobody needs me here. Sorry.
291:49 Sorry. >> Sorry, Adam. Go ahead. Go ahead. We're
291:51 >> Sorry, Adam. Go ahead. Go ahead. We're We're just fooling around.
291:53 We're just fooling around. >> No, I know. Um, so yes, I do definitely
291:56 >> No, I know. Um, so yes, I do definitely consider myself an ally. Um, you know, I
291:59 consider myself an ally. Um, you know, I have a a family member who's non-binary
292:02 have a a family member who's non-binary and a very close friend who's a transw
292:05 and a very close friend who's a transw woman. Um, and I like to do my best to
292:10 woman. Um, and I like to do my best to um stand up for them and and want them
292:13 um stand up for them and and want them and every other um trans person to have
292:16 and every other um trans person to have their equal rights. Um, but just the
292:19 their equal rights. Um, but just the neoponoun thing, I'm a bit a little um I
292:23 neoponoun thing, I'm a bit a little um I guess I don't fully understand it and
292:24 guess I don't fully understand it and it's I've never met a person with
292:26 it's I've never met a person with neoponouns. Um, but a couple people have
292:30 neoponouns. Um, but a couple people have like said to me that I guess my question
292:33 like said to me that I guess my question is um
292:35 is um like does can this like give ammunition
292:39 like does can this like give ammunition or uh validity to the to the attack
292:43 or uh validity to the to the attack helicopter [ __ ] You know what I
292:45 helicopter [ __ ] You know what I mean? Um
292:47 mean? Um >> I guess I don't know. And I'm I'm a cis
292:49 >> I guess I don't know. And I'm I'm a cis heterero man so I don't you know I don't
292:52 heterero man so I don't you know I don't know. Go ahead. I would say I would say
292:54 know. Go ahead. I would say I would say yes, but not any more than anything else
292:57 yes, but not any more than anything else because at the end of the day, they are
293:00 because at the end of the day, they are going to deliberately misunderstand and
293:02 going to deliberately misunderstand and ignore real science. They're going to go
293:04 ignore real science. They're going to go out of their way to ignore um cultural
293:08 out of their way to ignore um cultural change, to ignore the reality that all
293:11 change, to ignore the reality that all language is made up, all words are made
293:13 language is made up, all words are made up, language changes over time, over
293:15 up, language changes over time, over generations, all the time. And this is
293:18 generations, all the time. And this is not new and it is also exceedingly rare.
293:21 not new and it is also exceedingly rare. Um, I I know a few people with they them
293:25 Um, I I know a few people with they them pronouns. I know exactly one person with
293:27 pronouns. I know exactly one person with it pronouns. They're here with us. Um, I
293:31 it pronouns. They're here with us. Um, I don't know. I don't I've never met
293:32 don't know. I don't I've never met anybody either. I think I may maybe I've
293:35 anybody either. I think I may maybe I've met one person that preferred like Zim
293:37 met one person that preferred like Zim or something, but they weren't a jerk
293:40 or something, but they weren't a jerk about it. They were kind of just like
293:41 about it. They were kind of just like whatever. If you do it, you do it. And
293:42 whatever. If you do it, you do it. And and I know one person um who genuinely
293:46 and I know one person um who genuinely any pronouns is their preference. Like
293:49 any pronouns is their preference. Like literally, she she has told me several
293:50 literally, she she has told me several times she's like, "Keep it fun. Keep it
293:52 times she's like, "Keep it fun. Keep it fresh. Mix it up. Call me him sometimes.
293:55 fresh. Mix it up. Call me him sometimes. Call me her sometimes. I want to be
293:56 Call me her sometimes. I want to be excited about it. I want to be excited
293:58 excited about it. I want to be excited you know, keep me moving." And so like
294:01 you know, keep me moving." And so like that at the end of the day, those are
294:03 that at the end of the day, those are things that I think you're going to
294:04 things that I think you're going to encounter a lot more. Um, and neoponouns
294:07 encounter a lot more. Um, and neoponouns has become yet another just talking
294:10 has become yet another just talking point. um much like the concept of trans
294:14 point. um much like the concept of trans athletes in general where you have like
294:17 athletes in general where you have like three people that that are doing this
294:20 three people that that are doing this and for valid reasons they are doing
294:23 and for valid reasons they are doing this and it's really not that
294:24 this and it's really not that complicated of a concept to wrap your
294:26 complicated of a concept to wrap your head around and you've got a small sub I
294:29 head around and you've got a small sub I should say a large subset of [ __ ]
294:31 should say a large subset of [ __ ] who are going to look for any reason at
294:33 who are going to look for any reason at all to continue to be [ __ ] So will
294:35 all to continue to be [ __ ] So will it give them ammunition? Absolutely. So
294:37 it give them ammunition? Absolutely. So will the very existence of trans people
294:40 will the very existence of trans people in general and non-binary people in
294:42 in general and non-binary people in general. So just let it be and continue
294:46 general. So just let it be and continue trying to do your best.
294:47 trying to do your best. >> Basically every argument no basically
294:49 >> Basically every argument no basically every argument that people make against
294:52 every argument that people make against neoponouns is just an argument against
294:55 neoponouns is just an argument against binary trans people that has been
294:57 binary trans people that has been slightly repackaged. So like every
294:59 slightly repackaged. So like every argument people make against xeno
295:01 argument people make against xeno genders or non-binary people broadly or
295:03 genders or non-binary people broadly or neoponouns specifically like it's just
295:06 neoponouns specifically like it's just choosing a different place to to put the
295:09 choosing a different place to to put the goalpost of like what is acceptable or
295:10 goalpost of like what is acceptable or what's not acceptable. If people are
295:12 what's not acceptable. If people are going to be persuaded by neoponouns and
295:15 going to be persuaded by neoponouns and going like gh I can't take any of this
295:17 going like gh I can't take any of this seriously you people blah blah blah they
295:18 seriously you people blah blah blah they are the same people who are going to be
295:20 are the same people who are going to be like well you can't force me to call a
295:23 like well you can't force me to call a obviously a man a woman like I can't use
295:26 obviously a man a woman like I can't use she her pronouns for this person like
295:27 she her pronouns for this person like you're not going to convince those
295:29 you're not going to convince those people regardless
295:31 people regardless >> right
295:33 >> right uh and to be clear if I were to ever
295:35 uh and to be clear if I were to ever encounter a person who uses neo pronouns
295:38 encounter a person who uses neo pronouns I would of course do my best to use them
295:41 I would of course do my best to use them Um, this is just one of those areas
295:43 Um, this is just one of those areas where I don't cuz I do have transphobes
295:45 where I don't cuz I do have transphobes in my family. I mean, and I do my best
295:47 in my family. I mean, and I do my best to not see them, but sometimes I have
295:49 to not see them, but sometimes I have to. Um, but when the topics come up,
295:52 to. Um, but when the topics come up, this is one area where I don't really
295:55 this is one area where I don't really have
295:56 have uh a response to them when they, you
295:58 uh a response to them when they, you know, say, "What about the, you know,
296:01 know, say, "What about the, you know, whatever 70 genders or whatever number
296:03 whatever 70 genders or whatever number they keep saying there is."
296:05 they keep saying there is." >> Tell them not to worry about what
296:06 >> Tell them not to worry about what teenagers are doing on Tumblr. Like,
296:08 teenagers are doing on Tumblr. Like, it's not that serious. Nobody, this is
296:11 it's not that serious. Nobody, this is not entering the work. Nobody's asking
296:13 not entering the work. Nobody's asking for this accommodation. Like
296:15 for this accommodation. Like realistically, this is a very online
296:18 realistically, this is a very online thing because we know that people are
296:20 thing because we know that people are going to be resistant to it. So, we do
296:22 going to be resistant to it. So, we do try to use something more normal around
296:25 try to use something more normal around most people,
296:27 most people, >> right?
296:29 >> right? >> Okay. And like I said, I have a
296:31 >> Okay. And like I said, I have a non-binary family member um who and
296:34 non-binary family member um who and they're pretty um accepting when you
296:37 they're pretty um accepting when you know another family member has a slip up
296:40 know another family member has a slip up or whatever and forgets the they them
296:42 or whatever and forgets the they them because they're used to what they went
296:44 because they're used to what they went by before. Um but what what's blows me
296:47 by before. Um but what what's blows me away is they are a lot more
296:50 away is they are a lot more understanding of a particular
296:53 understanding of a particular transphobic family member I have than I
296:56 transphobic family member I have than I am. Um, you know, I seem to combat this
296:59 am. Um, you know, I seem to combat this person more, but uh, I guess that's
297:02 person more, but uh, I guess that's because they're used to transphobia and
297:04 because they're used to transphobia and they dealt with it for a long time, so
297:05 they dealt with it for a long time, so it rolls off. I don't know.
297:13 >> Yeah. I I would just say like honestly it's it's no better of an argument than
297:16 it's it's no better of an argument than any of the other ones. And I would just
297:17 any of the other ones. And I would just throw out like exactly what Lexander
297:19 throw out like exactly what Lexander just said, just like this isn't as big
297:21 just said, just like this isn't as big of a deal as you're making it to be. And
297:22 of a deal as you're making it to be. And even if people were really pushing for
297:23 even if people were really pushing for this, okay, language changes. No one's
297:26 this, okay, language changes. No one's forcing you to adapt to this. And if you
297:29 forcing you to adapt to this. And if you think that this is representative of
297:31 think that this is representative of this entire group, you're stupid. So
297:33 this entire group, you're stupid. So just deal with it or don't, I guess. And
297:37 just deal with it or don't, I guess. And if someone in your life that you love
297:38 if someone in your life that you love and care about is going to, you know,
297:40 and care about is going to, you know, present this problem to you, then you're
297:42 present this problem to you, then you're probably going to have a different
297:43 probably going to have a different opinion of it. So, I recommend you just
297:45 opinion of it. So, I recommend you just start treating people the way that you
297:46 start treating people the way that you would treat it. If your spouse or your
297:49 would treat it. If your spouse or your parent or your sibling were to come to
297:51 parent or your sibling were to come to you and say, "Hey, this is where I'm at
297:53 you and say, "Hey, this is where I'm at and this is how I genuinely feel." You
297:55 and this is how I genuinely feel." You certainly wouldn't treat them as
297:56 certainly wouldn't treat them as shittily as you're expecting us to be
297:58 shittily as you're expecting us to be okay with you treating everybody else.
298:00 okay with you treating everybody else. That's what I would do in that
298:01 That's what I would do in that situation. It probably won't work, but
298:04 situation. It probably won't work, but whatever is the best way that I can I
298:06 whatever is the best way that I can I can give it to you. Um,
298:08 can give it to you. Um, >> my strategy is just I just call people
298:11 >> my strategy is just I just call people what they want me to call them. I that's
298:13 what they want me to call them. I that's that's about as good as I can do. You
298:15 that's about as good as I can do. You know, if someone's like, "Call me this."
298:16 know, if someone's like, "Call me this." I'll be like, "I'm Yeah, I'm gonna do my
298:19 I'll be like, "I'm Yeah, I'm gonna do my best
298:20 best >> and then then that's what I do." I wish
298:21 >> and then then that's what I do." I wish I could offer a more nuanced opinion,
298:23 I could offer a more nuanced opinion, but I don't I don't really have one. I'm
298:25 but I don't I don't really have one. I'm not super educated on this topic. So,
298:29 not super educated on this topic. So, >> yeah,
298:29 >> yeah, >> leave it to the experts.
298:33 >> Okay. >> I will throw out there uh to to Sorry.
298:37 >> I will throw out there uh to to Sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. I apologize. I was
298:39 Go ahead. Go ahead. I apologize. I was going to shout out somebody in chat. Go
298:40 going to shout out somebody in chat. Go ahead.
298:42 ahead. Oh, no, no. I was just going to say
298:43 Oh, no, no. I was just going to say thank you. Um, I don't really have
298:46 thank you. Um, I don't really have anything else. Um, so thank you guys for
298:49 anything else. Um, so thank you guys for taking my call.
298:52 taking my call. >> Thank you for waiting for as long as you
298:53 >> Thank you for waiting for as long as you have. I really appreciate it.
298:54 have. I really appreciate it. >> You got it. Thank you.
298:56 >> You got it. Thank you. >> Yeah.
298:56 >> Yeah. >> Appreciate it.
298:57 >> Appreciate it. >> All right. Have a good night, guys.
299:00 >> All right. Have a good night, guys. >> You, too. I was going to say to the
299:02 >> You, too. I was going to say to the person in chat who's dropping a bunch of
299:03 person in chat who's dropping a bunch of random [ __ ] I identify as a white
299:06 random [ __ ] I identify as a white nationalist. I identify as an incel. I
299:08 nationalist. I identify as an incel. I there's a number on the bottom of the
299:09 there's a number on the bottom of the screen if you want to try thinking in
299:10 screen if you want to try thinking in real time in front of thousands of
299:12 real time in front of thousands of people. It' be a lot of fun to watch.
299:13 people. It' be a lot of fun to watch. >> Call in, please. It's so funny. You're
299:16 >> Call in, please. It's so funny. You're You know, it's actually just a lot
299:18 You know, it's actually just a lot easier to speak than it is to type. Call
299:20 easier to speak than it is to type. Call in. Actually,
299:21 in. Actually, >> how about this? If you call in,
299:23 >> how about this? If you call in, >> we'll take your call next.
299:26 >> we'll take your call next. >> Call in. We'll take your call next.
299:28 >> Call in. We'll take your call next. >> Call actually call in. You know, call
299:31 >> Call actually call in. You know, call in. Call in and defend that position.
299:33 in. Call in and defend that position. Tell us why you identify as an attack
299:34 Tell us why you identify as an attack helicopter. It's easy. This will be so
299:36 helicopter. It's easy. This will be so easy for Forest and I because we've done
299:38 easy for Forest and I because we've done this call already today. Like we already
299:40 this call already today. Like we already did this with Rob. Call in. We'll have
299:41 did this with Rob. Call in. We'll have that conversation. We're
299:43 that conversation. We're >> do it.
299:44 >> do it. >> We've got a line open and we've got
299:48 >> We've got a line open and we've got >> we we have to wait 20 minutes until we
299:50 >> we we have to wait 20 minutes until we get a producer change anyway. And we got
299:52 get a producer change anyway. And we got this one person wanting to talk about
299:53 this one person wanting to talk about the Big Bang. That's going to be a long
299:54 the Big Bang. That's going to be a long conversation.
299:55 conversation. >> I have no [ __ ] idea what's about to
299:57 >> I have no [ __ ] idea what's about to happen. So feel free to take whichever
299:58 happen. So feel free to take whichever call you want.
300:00 call you want. >> Hell yeah.
300:01 >> Hell yeah. >> Are we Are we looking at We're looking
300:03 >> Are we Are we looking at We're looking at a a possible nonproducer change. Are
300:05 at a a possible nonproducer change. Are you about to get saddled with us for the
300:07 you about to get saddled with us for the whole night?
300:07 whole night? >> I I'm probably not going to be the whole
300:09 >> I I'm probably not going to be the whole night, but it might be like until
300:10 night, but it might be like until someone else gets home kind of
300:12 someone else gets home kind of situation.
300:13 situation. >> Yeah, it's fine. I'll get I'm getting
300:15 >> Yeah, it's fine. I'll get I'm getting paid today, you guys. I'm not worried
300:16 paid today, you guys. I'm not worried about it.
300:18 about it. >> Crazy. I just I feel the same with
300:21 >> Crazy. I just I feel the same with bothering Luxander as I do with
300:23 bothering Luxander as I do with bothering every producer I ever have.
300:26 bothering every producer I ever have. like you were. If you ever wanted to
300:28 like you were. If you ever wanted to feel welcome and and brought into the
300:30 feel welcome and and brought into the family here at the line, just know that
300:32 family here at the line, just know that I am deriving great joy from the idea of
300:34 I am deriving great joy from the idea of you being deeply uncomfortable while I
300:35 you being deeply uncomfortable while I [ __ ] about geese and [ __ ] on these
300:37 [ __ ] about geese and [ __ ] on these calls. like that that to me that that
300:40 calls. like that that to me that that makes you a sibling, you know? That's
300:42 makes you a sibling, you know? That's you're probably having a great
300:45 you're probably having a great >> You guys need to understand that the
300:46 >> You guys need to understand that the dynamic is very much like uh like the
300:48 dynamic is very much like uh like the episode of Spongebob where Spongebob and
300:50 episode of Spongebob where Spongebob and Patrick are stuck in the in the
300:51 Patrick are stuck in the in the treehouse and Squidward gets stuck in
300:53 treehouse and Squidward gets stuck in there with them and he can't leave
300:55 there with them and he can't leave because the the exit is too small.
300:57 because the the exit is too small. >> And then Spongebob and Patrick are like,
300:59 >> And then Spongebob and Patrick are like, "Welcome to our club. Welcome to our
301:01 "Welcome to our club. Welcome to our club. Welcome Squidward. Welcome
301:02 club. Welcome Squidward. Welcome Squidward." Why? That's that's me and
301:03 Squidward." Why? That's that's me and Forest every time that we have a captive
301:06 Forest every time that we have a captive producer.
301:08 producer. Yeah. Yeah.
301:10 Yeah. Yeah. The most difficult part for me, but you
301:12 The most difficult part for me, but you know, I love you guys.
301:13 know, I love you guys. >> Let's let's do some super chats because
301:15 >> Let's let's do some super chats because we got we have a line open. We had a
301:17 we got we have a line open. We had a line open, but it's now full. So, like,
301:19 line open, but it's now full. So, like, what are we doing? Are we jumping into
301:20 what are we doing? Are we jumping into another call? Are we doing super chats?
301:21 another call? Are we doing super chats? Like, what's the plan here?
301:22 Like, what's the plan here? >> I mean, if you wanted Hold on, let me
301:24 >> I mean, if you wanted Hold on, let me let me check my phone real quick.
301:27 let me check my phone real quick. >> I think we should take this next call.
301:28 >> I think we should take this next call. Been waiting for 3 hours and 44 minutes.
301:31 Been waiting for 3 hours and 44 minutes. >> I know the one you're looking at, and I
301:33 >> I know the one you're looking at, and I think it's going to be a good one. I'm
301:34 think it's going to be a good one. I'm excited. We already said we were taking
301:36 excited. We already said we were taking James next anyways. James knows he's
301:38 James next anyways. James knows he's coming next.
301:39 coming next. >> Yeah, go ahead and take James.
301:42 >> Yeah, go ahead and take James. >> Okay, let's talk to James.
301:44 >> Okay, let's talk to James. >> James, you're on the line with questions
301:46 >> James, you're on the line with questions about the Big Bang from me and Erica,
301:49 about the Big Bang from me and Erica, neither of which are physicists. How are
301:52 neither of which are physicists. How are you?
301:52 you? >> We'll do our best.
301:54 >> We'll do our best. >> Good. Good. Thank Thank you guys for uh
301:56 >> Good. Good. Thank Thank you guys for uh having me here.
301:58 having me here. >> Thank you for waiting.
301:59 >> Thank you for waiting. >> Hello. Yeah. So, oh, I wanted to address
302:04 >> Hello. Yeah. So, oh, I wanted to address your pond, bro. You said you're having a
302:06 your pond, bro. You said you're having a stagnant pond issue. So, while that's
302:08 stagnant pond issue. So, while that's fresh, I wanted to help you with that.
302:11 fresh, I wanted to help you with that. >> Please,
302:12 >> Please, >> forest free advice.
302:19 >> Can we Can we do that real quick? Cuz it's going to have to do with the
302:21 it's going to have to do with the analogy I'm going to spread upon it. You
302:23 analogy I'm going to spread upon it. You know what I'm saying?
302:24 know what I'm saying? >> Okay. Okay. No, I'm into that. Do it.
302:27 >> Okay. Okay. No, I'm into that. Do it. You force your advice. If I get a good
302:28 You force your advice. If I get a good argument.
302:30 argument. >> If I get a good argument and a way to
302:32 >> If I get a good argument and a way to deal with this rancid [ __ ] fedded
302:34 deal with this rancid [ __ ] fedded pond in the Yeah, absolutely. I would
302:36 pond in the Yeah, absolutely. I would love that.
302:38 love that. >> Right. Well, you got to get that water
302:41 >> Right. Well, you got to get that water moving. Do you have a pump?
302:44 moving. Do you have a pump? >> No, but I'm gonna I was going to rent a
302:47 >> No, but I'm gonna I was going to rent a pump, drain the thing, and like fill it
302:48 pump, drain the thing, and like fill it with dirt and just be done with it. That
302:49 with dirt and just be done with it. That was my next plan.
302:51 was my next plan. >> No, no, no. So, you're going to get a
302:53 >> No, no, no. So, you're going to get a pump. like just get something cheap
302:55 pump. like just get something cheap because this might, you know, it might
302:57 because this might, you know, it might be it might be a lost cause. This this
302:59 be it might be a lost cause. This this is just a shot in the dark and a cheap
303:01 is just a shot in the dark and a cheap way to see if you can get that your pond
303:03 way to see if you can get that your pond clean again, right?
303:05 clean again, right? >> So, you're going to get a cheap pump and
303:07 >> So, you're going to get a cheap pump and you got to get that water moving.
303:09 you got to get that water moving. >> And then you're going to get some
303:10 >> And then you're going to get some freshwater muscles
303:12 freshwater muscles >> and you're just going to chuck them out
303:13 >> and you're just going to chuck them out into your pond
303:15 into your pond >> and those things are natural filters,
303:18 >> and those things are natural filters, >> right? I thought about that water.
303:23 >> right? I thought about that water. >> Yeah, that's going to be the cheapest,
303:24 >> Yeah, that's going to be the cheapest, most cost effective way I can think of
303:27 most cost effective way I can think of to get you that poll.
303:30 to get you that poll. >> I thought about that. I had no idea
303:32 >> I thought about that. I had no idea where
303:33 where >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I I've seen those
303:34 >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I I've seen those demonstrations where they put like some
303:36 demonstrations where they put like some sort of brachiopod and and like it just
303:38 sort of brachiopod and and like it just filters the water so good. I was worried
303:40 filters the water so good. I was worried that number one, I don't know where the
303:41 that number one, I don't know where the [ __ ] to get them and number two, I'm
303:43 [ __ ] to get them and number two, I'm worried that I'm just going to kill
303:44 worried that I'm just going to kill them. And then I have the same
303:46 them. And then I have the same disgusting pond also with rotting
303:48 disgusting pond also with rotting shellfish in it. And so like I don't
303:50 shellfish in it. And so like I don't know, but like
303:51 know, but like >> the animals will come get it, man. You
303:53 >> the animals will come get it, man. You know, whatever's living is gonna break
303:55 know, whatever's living is gonna break it down. So, you know, it's worth a
303:57 it down. So, you know, it's worth a shot. You know what I'm saying? Like
303:59 shot. You know what I'm saying? Like >> it can't be any worse than it already
304:00 >> it can't be any worse than it already is. For sure.
304:02 is. For sure. >> There you go. Right. It's cut off. It's
304:04 >> There you go. Right. It's cut off. It's the water's stagnant like you said,
304:06 the water's stagnant like you said, right?
304:07 right? >> And I bet you you can find a pump for
304:09 >> And I bet you you can find a pump for like a hundred bucks. It's just a matter
304:11 like a hundred bucks. It's just a matter of do you are you gonna have a source of
304:13 of do you are you gonna have a source of power out there to get that water
304:15 power out there to get that water running,
304:16 running, >> you know?
304:16 >> you know? >> I'm looking up live freshwater muscle
304:18 >> I'm looking up live freshwater muscle bail and we'll see if I can get some
304:20 bail and we'll see if I can get some sent to Oklahoma
304:22 sent to Oklahoma >> and then chuck them in.
304:25 >> and then chuck them in. >> Wow, this is pretty cool. Okay, wait. I
304:27 >> Wow, this is pretty cool. Okay, wait. I want to know how does the freshwater
304:28 want to know how does the freshwater muscle connect to the Big Bang?
304:32 muscle connect to the Big Bang? >> Well, so I'm going to describe his his
304:35 >> Well, so I'm going to describe his his his stagnant pond. Um
304:38 his stagnant pond. Um >> Okay. I'm gonna leap it to like
304:40 >> Okay. I'm gonna leap it to like mankind's heart right now. You know,
304:43 mankind's heart right now. You know, it's cut off.
304:44 it's cut off. >> Let's go. Right.
304:46 >> Let's go. Right. >> Let's go. Okay.
304:46 >> Let's go. Okay. >> The water's not flowing. You know what
304:49 >> The water's not flowing. You know what I'm saying? Like it's been cut off.
304:51 I'm saying? Like it's been cut off. Right. That if if that thing was
304:53 Right. That if if that thing was connected to a moving water source, it'd
304:55 connected to a moving water source, it'd be you'd have a completely different
304:56 be you'd have a completely different ecosystem right there. Correct.
304:59 ecosystem right there. Correct. >> Yeah.
305:00 >> Yeah. >> Right. Right. But it's it's it's cut
305:03 >> Right. Right. But it's it's it's cut off. It's a pond. It's leftover water
305:05 off. It's a pond. It's leftover water run off from somewhere, but there's
305:07 run off from somewhere, but there's still life in it, right? It's still
305:10 still life in it, right? It's still salvageable, right? It's just going to
305:12 salvageable, right? It's just going to take a guiding hand to cleanse that
305:16 take a guiding hand to cleanse that water and make that ecosystem alive
305:18 water and make that ecosystem alive again and get it to full potential.
305:20 again and get it to full potential. Right. Right now, that pond's not full
305:22 Right. Right now, that pond's not full potential. Correct.
305:24 potential. Correct. >> So, we're the pond, right?
305:26 >> So, we're the pond, right? >> I mean,
305:27 >> I mean, >> we're the pond. Yes. Like mankind, we're
305:30 >> we're the pond. Yes. Like mankind, we're this pond. We're
305:32 this pond. We're >> we are I feel like we're all we're in
305:35 >> we are I feel like we're all we're in this nexus of maximum flashing lights,
305:38 this nexus of maximum flashing lights, confusion,
305:40 confusion, what is what AI, real or fake picture or
305:45 what is what AI, real or fake picture or painting? You know what I'm saying?
305:49 painting? You know what I'm saying? >> I do.
305:50 >> I do. >> Would you guys agree with that?
305:53 >> Would you guys agree with that? >> I mean, I feel kind of confused a lot of
305:55 >> I mean, I feel kind of confused a lot of the time.
305:56 the time. >> Beautiful. I love Well, I'm not, you
305:59 >> Beautiful. I love Well, I'm not, you know, I'm not grateful that you're
306:01 know, I'm not grateful that you're confused. That's not where I'm coming
306:02 confused. That's not where I'm coming from. But it's natural. It's that's
306:06 from. But it's natural. It's that's um
306:07 um you know that saying it's it's human to
306:09 you know that saying it's it's human to air, right? It's human. It's natural. We
306:14 air, right? It's human. It's natural. We make mistakes, right? It's just a it's
306:17 make mistakes, right? It's just a it's it's it's a god-given
306:19 it's it's a god-given ringing out through eons, right?
306:22 ringing out through eons, right? >> But there's a second half to that,
306:24 >> But there's a second half to that, right?
306:25 right? >> Totally totally with you. However,
306:28 >> Totally totally with you. However, however,
306:30 however, what does that have to do with the Big
306:31 what does that have to do with the Big Bang, though?
306:33 Bang, though? Okay. So, let's get let's talk about the
306:35 Okay. So, let's get let's talk about the big bang, right? So, are we agree the
306:38 big bang, right? So, are we agree the big bang took place, right?
306:42 big bang took place, right? >> I think it is the current best cosmology
306:45 >> I think it is the current best cosmology that we have. Yes,
306:47 that we have. Yes, >> it's the current best cos. How did we
306:50 >> it's the current best cos. How did we how do we prove the big thing?
306:58 >> Forest, you want to talk about EMB? >> We trace the light, right? Yeah. We just
307:01 >> We trace the light, right? Yeah. We just tra we found out
307:04 tra we found out >> right is that I was gonna go
307:08 >> right is that I was gonna go >> I was going to go back to Hubble's
307:09 >> I was going to go back to Hubble's constant first and then do CMBB later
307:11 constant first and then do CMBB later because it's kind the the way we started
307:14 because it's kind the the way we started with the idea as far as I know was by
307:16 with the idea as far as I know was by tracing recession rates of galaxies
307:19 tracing recession rates of galaxies >> go off go off
307:22 >> go off go off >> when we mapped the whole thing what did
307:24 >> when we mapped the whole thing what did we find out
307:29 >> what what did we find out we found out that galaxies were moving farther and
307:31 that galaxies were moving farther and farther away from each other and the
307:33 farther away from each other and the farther they were, the faster they were
307:35 farther they were, the faster they were receding, the faster they were moving
307:36 receding, the faster they were moving apart. And so Hubble took that data and
307:39 apart. And so Hubble took that data and put it on a logarithmic scale and found
307:41 put it on a logarithmic scale and found it was a remarkably straight line. And
307:43 it was a remarkably straight line. And that kind of led him to understanding
307:45 that kind of led him to understanding that like
307:46 that like >> the Hubble's constant, the the slope of
307:48 >> the Hubble's constant, the the slope of that line, one over Hubble's constant
307:51 that line, one over Hubble's constant equals like the concept of time. And the
307:54 equals like the concept of time. And the more data we've gotten on that, the more
307:55 more data we've gotten on that, the more we've been able to say, you know,
307:57 we've been able to say, you know, narrowing down what that time is. And
307:59 narrowing down what that time is. And right now we're at 13.8 8 billion
308:03 right now we're at 13.8 8 billion >> bro. I agree. We can trace the light
308:07 >> bro. I agree. We can trace the light right to a singular moment, right?
308:12 right to a singular moment, right? >> Yes.
308:12 >> Yes. >> So, but the question is
308:15 >> So, but the question is what caused that moment?
308:19 what caused that moment? >> What caused the big bang?
308:20 >> What caused the big bang? >> Current Yeah. What's science's current
308:23 >> Current Yeah. What's science's current stance on what caused the big bang?
308:27 stance on what caused the big bang? Science's current stance is I don't
308:29 Science's current stance is I don't know. Um, we have uh some folks. So, we
308:33 know. Um, we have uh some folks. So, we we have
308:34 we have >> Yes. Yes.
308:36 >> Yes. Yes. >> Brock, can you pull it back a little
308:38 >> Brock, can you pull it back a little bit? Holy cow.
308:39 bit? Holy cow. >> So, we have it.
308:42 >> So, we have it. >> We have some people. So, like we have
308:45 >> We have some people. So, like we have Blitz and uh Aaron both on this network,
308:48 Blitz and uh Aaron both on this network, both their PhD physicists. Um, and they
308:51 both their PhD physicists. Um, and they have both talked about how there are
308:52 have both talked about how there are some models of cosmology that suggest
308:55 some models of cosmology that suggest that actually the big bang was an event
308:57 that actually the big bang was an event in the history of the universe, not
308:59 in the history of the universe, not actually the beginning of it, and that
309:00 actually the beginning of it, and that the universe is in one way or another
309:02 the universe is in one way or another completely eternal and and has been
309:04 completely eternal and and has been going on forever. There are other models
309:06 going on forever. There are other models that indicate that the Big Bang was a
309:08 that indicate that the Big Bang was a singular beginning to the universe as we
309:10 singular beginning to the universe as we know it today. Either way, um, we're not
309:13 know it today. Either way, um, we're not entirely sure what happened before. What
309:15 entirely sure what happened before. What we can say is that the big bang is the
309:19 we can say is that the big bang is the beginning of space and time as we know
309:22 beginning of space and time as we know it right now. And so if you ask what
309:24 it right now. And so if you ask what happened before that, then you're asking
309:26 happened before that, then you're asking literally what happened before the
309:29 literally what happened before the concept of before had any meaning in a
309:31 concept of before had any meaning in a in a place that isn't anywhere. And
309:33 in a place that isn't anywhere. And that's like what the [ __ ] does that even
309:35 that's like what the [ __ ] does that even mean? So I don't even know how to ask
309:37 mean? So I don't even know how to ask that question, let alone how to answer
309:38 that question, let alone how to answer it. I'm also not a physicist.
309:42 it. I'm also not a physicist. >> Right. No. So can we agree that it then
309:45 >> Right. No. So can we agree that it then it takes the uh belief that the universe
309:48 it takes the uh belief that the universe was an immaculate conception?
309:52 was an immaculate conception? >> No.
309:54 >> No. >> Right. There was an explosion. We don't
309:56 >> Right. There was an explosion. We don't know what happened prior to it. Right.
309:58 know what happened prior to it. Right. But we do know we do know at this moment
310:01 But we do know we do know at this moment the center right was we can trace the
310:04 the center right was we can trace the light back to the center of whatever
310:06 light back to the center of whatever light trail was following.
310:08 light trail was following. Correct.
310:09 Correct. >> We don't know. We we don't know that it
310:11 >> We don't know. We we don't know that it was first of all it wasn't an explosion.
310:13 was first of all it wasn't an explosion. It's called the big bang but that wasn't
310:15 It's called the big bang but that wasn't a name invented by
310:16 a name invented by >> I just use the explosion as Yeah.
310:19 >> I just use the explosion as Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. Um
310:21 >> Okay. Yeah. Um >> like size to a grapefruit in a
310:24 >> like size to a grapefruit in a millisecond or something like that. I
310:26 millisecond or something like that. I believe that's the scale they
310:30 believe that's the scale they >> doesn't indicate any kind of like
310:31 >> doesn't indicate any kind of like immaculate conception whatever the hell
310:33 immaculate conception whatever the hell else. It doesn't tell us anything about
310:35 else. It doesn't tell us anything about what's going on before them because
310:37 what's going on before them because again, I don't know what the word before
310:40 again, I don't know what the word before means in this instance, in this
310:41 means in this instance, in this circumstance. I I I don't know what that
310:43 circumstance. I I I don't know what that word entails. It's like when people talk
310:45 word entails. It's like when people talk about nothing and they're like, "Oh, the
310:47 about nothing and they're like, "Oh, the universe came from nothing. I don't know
310:49 universe came from nothing. I don't know what nothing is. There is no such thing
310:51 what nothing is. There is no such thing as a nothing that I've ever observe
310:53 as a nothing that I've ever observe observed. I've I've never run tests on
310:55 observed. I've I've never run tests on nothing. I don't know what nothing could
310:56 nothing. I don't know what nothing could entail." And so what we're talking about
310:59 entail." And so what we're talking about here, what happened before there was
311:03 here, what happened before there was causality?
311:04 causality? What does that mean? And how would you,
311:06 What does that mean? And how would you, if it was such a thing, why would you
311:08 if it was such a thing, why would you assume that it was causal, that it had a
311:10 assume that it was causal, that it had a causal relationship with the universe if
311:12 causal relationship with the universe if it was before causality existed? So I
311:15 it was before causality existed? So I just, I don't know what those words mean
311:17 just, I don't know what those words mean or how to answer this question. It it
311:19 or how to answer this question. It it doesn't make any sense.
311:21 doesn't make any sense. >> Yeah. Well, I'm just trying to get Can
311:24 >> Yeah. Well, I'm just trying to get Can we agree that that you can trace it to
311:26 we agree that that you can trace it to down to a pinpoint, right? That's what
311:28 down to a pinpoint, right? That's what these telescopes have shown us, right?
311:30 these telescopes have shown us, right? >> Yeah. We we can we have isolated the the
311:33 >> Yeah. We we can we have isolated the the event of the Big Bang down to 13.8
311:36 event of the Big Bang down to 13.8 billion years ago and and we're getting
311:38 billion years ago and and we're getting that's that's still even that I'm
311:39 that's that's still even that I'm rounding I'm rounding greatly. We have
311:41 rounding I'm rounding greatly. We have like I don't even know how many after
311:43 like I don't even know how many after that at this point,
311:46 that at this point, >> you know, like it's just the fact that
311:49 >> you know, like it's just the fact that we can trace it. the visible light, you
311:52 we can trace it. the visible light, you know,
311:53 know, >> not just visible
311:55 >> not just visible >> radio. Most most we know the big bang
311:58 >> radio. Most most we know the big bang microwave
311:58 microwave >> visible to our telescopes, right? Like
312:01 >> visible to our telescopes, right? Like whatever they're putting off, they're
312:03 whatever they're putting off, they're picking up is what I'm coming to, right?
312:06 picking up is what I'm coming to, right? So, but we we make this concerted
312:10 So, but we we make this concerted effort, right, to find the center of our
312:12 effort, right, to find the center of our creation. And this goes back to kind of
312:15 creation. And this goes back to kind of playing into the uh creationist versus
312:18 playing into the uh creationist versus evolution thing, right?
312:21 evolution thing, right? So if we do believe in the big fact then
312:24 So if we do believe in the big fact then we believe that we come from that
312:26 we believe that we come from that singularity. Correct. So all the
312:29 singularity. Correct. So all the materials of the universe and
312:31 materials of the universe and >> are you are you a creationist? May I
312:33 >> are you are you a creationist? May I ask?
312:35 ask? >> Oh I believe in God definitely.
312:39 >> Oh I believe in God definitely. >> No that's not what I asked because those
312:40 >> No that's not what I asked because those are definitely definitely definitely
312:42 are definitely definitely definitely different things because there are so so
312:44 different things because there are so so so many people who believe in God who
312:46 so many people who believe in God who accept
312:47 accept >> confused. Okay. Like I believe that God
312:49 >> confused. Okay. Like I believe that God created
312:51 created everything.
312:53 everything. >> Do you think that God just do you think
312:55 >> Do you think that God just do you think God snapped his fingers and did the big
312:57 God snapped his fingers and did the big bang or did evolution happen as a
312:59 bang or did evolution happen as a process that creates modern
313:00 process that creates modern biodiversity?
313:02 biodiversity? >> Well, let let's let's walk it through it
313:05 >> Well, let let's let's walk it through it from what the text says, right? There
313:07 from what the text says, right? There was nothing. And then a booming voice
313:10 was nothing. And then a booming voice said, "Let there be light." Correct.
313:13 said, "Let there be light." Correct. >> I'm with you on that.
313:14 >> I'm with you on that. >> You don't want to go with the text on
313:15 >> You don't want to go with the text on this.
313:17 this. Yeah, with that you can see how we can
313:19 Yeah, with that you can see how we can tie those two events together, right?
313:22 tie those two events together, right? >> I'm with you on that. I'm mostly just
313:24 >> I'm with you on that. I'm mostly just asking because this is going to inform a
313:26 asking because this is going to inform a my strategy with talking from here on
313:29 my strategy with talking from here on forward. Do Do you How old do you think
313:31 forward. Do Do you How old do you think the Earth is?
313:34 the Earth is? >> Oh, I couldn't tell you that. You know,
313:37 >> Oh, I couldn't tell you that. You know, I don't know.
313:38 I don't know. >> Is it more than 10,000 years?
313:41 >> Is it more than 10,000 years? >> Oh, I mean I guess you know what I mean.
313:44 >> Oh, I mean I guess you know what I mean. Aren't they confused even about like
313:46 Aren't they confused even about like carbon dating things? Don't they always
313:48 carbon dating things? Don't they always argue about the age of things?
313:50 argue about the age of things? >> Does 4.6 does 4.6 billion years sound
313:54 >> Does 4.6 does 4.6 billion years sound about right for the age of the earth?
313:56 about right for the age of the earth? >> Uh yeah, sure.
313:58 >> Uh yeah, sure. >> It's it's not really relevant to what
314:00 >> It's it's not really relevant to what like I'm trying the picture I'm trying
314:02 like I'm trying the picture I'm trying to paint.
314:03 to paint. >> Those 13.8 billion years sound about
314:06 >> Those 13.8 billion years sound about right for the beginning of the universe.
314:09 right for the beginning of the universe. >> Sure.
314:11 >> Sure. >> Okay. Is evolution is evolution real?
314:15 >> Okay. Is evolution is evolution real? And does evolution explain biodiversity
314:17 And does evolution explain biodiversity on this planet?
314:19 on this planet? >> You can say evolution if you're cool
314:22 >> You can say evolution if you're cool with it.
314:24 with it. >> No, no, no. So, like, so is evolution a
314:27 >> No, no, no. So, like, so is evolution a part of Big Bang?
314:29 part of Big Bang? >> No.
314:29 >> No. >> Nope. Because they're not a part of each
314:31 >> Nope. Because they're not a part of each other. But I'm asking you, do you think
314:33 other. But I'm asking you, do you think that evolution is responsible for modern
314:36 that evolution is responsible for modern biodiversity or did God create humans as
314:39 biodiversity or did God create humans as is?
314:41 is? Oh, I believe he created us pretty much
314:44 Oh, I believe he created us pretty much as is.
314:45 as is. >> Yeah. Okay. We're like 99.9%
314:48 >> Yeah. Okay. We're like 99.9% genetically identical, right?
314:51 genetically identical, right? >> Like if I came up to you and knocked on
314:52 >> Like if I came up to you and knocked on your door and said, "Hey, Erica, guess
314:54 your door and said, "Hey, Erica, guess what? The paperwork says you and I are
314:56 what? The paperwork says you and I are 99.9997%
314:58 99.9997% identical." Right.
315:00 identical." Right. >> I just needed to know what what kind of
315:03 >> I just needed to know what what kind of creationist we we were chatting with,
315:05 creationist we we were chatting with, James. That's that's why I was curious.
315:07 James. That's that's why I was curious. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, like if I were to if I
315:10 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, like if I were to if I were to come to you with this news,
315:11 were to come to you with this news, right, I knock on your door. I'm Erica,
315:14 right, I knock on your door. I'm Erica, we're 99.999%
315:17 we're 99.999% identical. What what comes into your
315:19 identical. What what comes into your head
315:21 head >> like in one word could you summarize
315:24 >> like in one word could you summarize like describe that?
315:27 like describe that? >> If you want to if you actually want to
315:29 >> If you want to if you actually want to know what would come into my head, what
315:30 know what would come into my head, what would actually come into my head would
315:32 would actually come into my head would be, oh, really? By which means of
315:34 be, oh, really? By which means of comparison are we comparing protein
315:35 comparison are we comparing protein coding regions? Are we comparing the
315:37 coding regions? Are we comparing the entire genome with S&Ps and protein
315:39 entire genome with S&Ps and protein coding included? Are we comparing the
315:41 coding included? Are we comparing the entire genome with regard
315:53 >> Sorry, say that last. >> Was that a reputable source? I'm sorry.
315:55 >> Was that a reputable source? I'm sorry. What was that?
315:57 What was that? >> No, I I wanted you to repeat yourself.
316:00 >> No, I I wanted you to repeat yourself. >> Oh, yeah. So, like the human genome
316:02 >> Oh, yeah. So, like the human genome project, is that a reputable source?
316:04 project, is that a reputable source? Right. that was run by the NIH and all
316:06 Right. that was run by the NIH and all that, right?
316:08 that, right? >> Yeah. It's a huge international project.
316:11 >> Yeah. It's a huge international project. Yes, the human genome project is a
316:13 Yes, the human genome project is a legitimate source. I would agree.
316:17 legitimate source. I would agree. >> One of the people on it is also a
316:18 >> One of the people on it is also a creationist as well.
316:21 creationist as well. >> Yeah, he he was an atheist since the
316:23 >> Yeah, he he was an atheist since the director turned atheist to Christian.
316:30 >> Isn't that interesting, right? >> Francis Collins accepts evolution
316:32 >> Francis Collins accepts evolution though, right? Like Francis Collins is
316:36 though, right? Like Francis Collins is >> Francis Collins the director of the
316:37 >> Francis Collins the director of the human genome project. He is cool with
316:40 human genome project. He is cool with evolution. He thinks that God used
316:41 evolution. He thinks that God used evolution to create
316:43 evolution to create >> but that does mean that he thinks that
316:45 >> but that does mean that he thinks that humans evolution from earlier.
316:47 humans evolution from earlier. >> Like
316:48 >> Like >> think about how we walked out of African
316:50 >> think about how we walked out of African changed. You know what I mean? Even
316:52 changed. You know what I mean? Even humans can adapt and evolve to its
316:55 humans can adapt and evolve to its surroundings. Right.
316:58 surroundings. Right. >> I'm with you James. I guess I'm not
316:59 >> I'm with you James. I guess I'm not really sure what the hangup is.
317:02 really sure what the hangup is. >> So no. So what I'm coming to you from is
317:04 >> So no. So what I'm coming to you from is right when I hear that number I would
317:06 right when I hear that number I would say Erica sister
317:09 say Erica sister >> right
317:12 >> right >> sure
317:13 >> sure if we have Oh
317:16 if we have Oh >> huh
317:16 >> huh >> I'm cool with that like I yeah we are
317:18 >> I'm cool with that like I yeah we are all very very similar to one another but
317:21 all very very similar to one another but yes I totally agree humans have very low
317:23 yes I totally agree humans have very low genetic diversity that is a fact
317:26 genetic diversity that is a fact >> right and we're connected in that like
317:29 >> right and we're connected in that like we're copies of each
317:34 Like correct? That's pretty much the summary of what that is is we are all
317:36 summary of what that is is we are all very like we have a original mother and
317:41 very like we have a original mother and father gene in there,
317:42 father gene in there, >> right?
317:45 >> right? >> What does that mean?
317:46 >> What does that mean? >> Isn't that what they called it?
317:48 >> Isn't that what they called it? Biological Adam and Eve or mitochondrial
317:50 Biological Adam and Eve or mitochondrial Eve and Adam.
317:52 Eve and Adam. >> Oh, yeah. No. So, so yes, there is
317:54 >> Oh, yeah. No. So, so yes, there is mitochondrial Eve because we all get our
317:57 mitochondrial Eve because we all get our mitochondria from our female parent and
318:00 mitochondria from our female parent and we all if you have a Y chromosome,
318:01 we all if you have a Y chromosome, you're going to get that usually from a
318:04 you're going to get that usually from a male parent. Um, there are exceptions to
318:06 male parent. Um, there are exceptions to this. You can get mitochondria from a
318:08 this. You can get mitochondria from a male parent. You can get a Y chromosome
318:10 male parent. You can get a Y chromosome from a female parent if they have
318:11 from a female parent if they have something like Swire syndrome. Like
318:12 something like Swire syndrome. Like point is um the idea is that we all
318:16 point is um the idea is that we all currently today share our mitochondrial
318:19 currently today share our mitochondrial DNA and our Y chromosomes that came from
318:22 DNA and our Y chromosomes that came from one single person a long time ago. The
318:25 one single person a long time ago. The issue is um that often leads people to
318:28 issue is um that often leads people to believe that there was literally just
318:30 believe that there was literally just one pair of humans at one point and that
318:33 one pair of humans at one point and that doesn't make any sense. Uh these two
318:35 doesn't make any sense. Uh these two genes we get from each other like they
318:37 genes we get from each other like they the people we get them from lived about
318:38 the people we get them from lived about 100,000 years apart if I remember
318:40 100,000 years apart if I remember correctly. Also, it ignores
318:43 correctly. Also, it ignores >> it ignores the way that fixing genes
318:45 >> it ignores the way that fixing genes works in a population. So, with the way
318:48 works in a population. So, with the way that genetic drift works, genetic drift
318:50 that genetic drift works, genetic drift is just a random reshuffleling of genes
318:53 is just a random reshuffleling of genes around the population from one point to
318:54 around the population from one point to the next. What happens with genetic
318:56 the next. What happens with genetic drift is that eventually one single copy
318:59 drift is that eventually one single copy of that gene will become universal
319:02 of that gene will become universal throughout the whole thing. So, you end
319:03 throughout the whole thing. So, you end up you start with humanity with let's
319:05 up you start with humanity with let's say just for the sake of saying it, 10
319:08 say just for the sake of saying it, 10 different mitochondrial DNAs here. 10 of
319:10 different mitochondrial DNAs here. 10 of them. And then as these guys continue to
319:13 them. And then as these guys continue to reproduce and mix and match with each
319:15 reproduce and mix and match with each other randomly, eventually it is just
319:18 other randomly, eventually it is just one that is spread throughout the whole
319:20 one that is spread throughout the whole population. And it all comes from this
319:22 population. And it all comes from this one individual person. This one copy of
319:24 one individual person. This one copy of this one gene is now everywhere. That
319:27 this one gene is now everywhere. That doesn't mean there weren't other copies
319:29 doesn't mean there weren't other copies contemporaneously with it for a long
319:31 contemporaneously with it for a long time. It's just at this one point now at
319:34 time. It's just at this one point now at in modern history, we have now fixed
319:36 in modern history, we have now fixed this gene in our population. Same exact
319:39 this gene in our population. Same exact thing happened with the Y chromosome. So
319:41 thing happened with the Y chromosome. So all chromosomeal males derive their Y
319:44 all chromosomeal males derive their Y chromosome from a single source. All
319:46 chromosome from a single source. All everybody with mitochondria, which is
319:48 everybody with mitochondria, which is everybody, um it deres the mitochondrial
319:51 everybody, um it deres the mitochondrial DNA from one single source. That does
319:54 DNA from one single source. That does not imply that there were exactly two
319:55 not imply that there were exactly two humans at any particular point.
320:02 >> Okay, >> I can see if I can pull up a diagram of
320:04 >> I can see if I can pull up a diagram of that.
320:05 that. Yeah. But so but it goes back far,
320:08 Yeah. But so but it goes back far, right? Like we're connected through that
320:12 right? Like we're connected through that that DN that genome sequence that DNA.
320:15 that DN that genome sequence that DNA. Correct.
320:17 Correct. >> For sure. But that also connects us to
320:19 >> For sure. But that also connects us to all other life on the planet, right?
320:21 all other life on the planet, right? Like all right.
320:23 Like all right. >> You hear me? So it's like
320:25 >> You hear me? So it's like >> we're connect No, but I'm saying like
320:27 >> we're connect No, but I'm saying like being genetically identical.
320:30 being genetically identical. >> That makes us family, right? Humans are
320:33 >> That makes us family, right? Humans are all related identical at all,
320:35 all related identical at all, >> but we're not genetic.
320:37 >> but we're not genetic. >> All life on Earth is related. Humans are
320:40 >> All life on Earth is related. Humans are more related than to each other than
320:41 more related than to each other than other things. By the way, here's a
320:42 other things. By the way, here's a diagram of what I was just talking about
320:45 diagram of what I was just talking about there. So, you can see you have a ton of
320:46 there. So, you can see you have a ton of different alals back here. And over
320:49 different alals back here. And over time, one is just consistently more
320:51 time, one is just consistently more successful until eventually all these
320:54 successful until eventually all these guys are all sharing the same alil. This
320:55 guys are all sharing the same alil. This is how genetic drift is going to fix one
320:57 is how genetic drift is going to fix one alil in a population. So when we talk
321:00 alil in a population. So when we talk about like say for example mitochondrial
321:02 about like say for example mitochondrial Eve here we all share mitochondrial DNA
321:05 Eve here we all share mitochondrial DNA from this one thing but there was all
321:08 from this one thing but there was all this variation over generation after
321:10 this variation over generation after generation after generation. So like
321:12 generation after generation. So like this is this is how this works if that
321:14 this is this is how this works if that makes any sense. It's just it's such a
321:15 makes any sense. It's just it's such a common [ __ ] stupid talking point.
321:19 common [ __ ] stupid talking point. >> Huh? I'm sorry. What was that?
321:21 >> Huh? I'm sorry. What was that? >> Oh I was just saying I'm putting this on
321:22 >> Oh I was just saying I'm putting this on the screen just because it's such a
321:24 the screen just because it's such a common stupid talking point that a lot
321:25 common stupid talking point that a lot of creationists will make. I don't think
321:27 of creationists will make. I don't think you're making it, but a lot of
321:28 you're making it, but a lot of creationists will say, "Aha,
321:30 creationists will say, "Aha, mitochondrial Eve was literally biblical
321:33 mitochondrial Eve was literally biblical Eve. There was one single human that we
321:35 Eve. There was one single human that we get this from. That doesn't make sense."
321:38 get this from. That doesn't make sense." >> Right. Right. I'm I'm approaching it
321:40 >> Right. Right. I'm I'm approaching it from Remember, like I said, if I showed
321:42 from Remember, like I said, if I showed up at Erica's house and I have this
321:44 up at Erica's house and I have this paper, right?
321:46 paper, right? >> Right. You could say you're related and
321:48 >> Right. You could say you're related and you could say you're extremely related
321:51 you could say you're extremely related and that would go along with what we
321:53 and that would go along with what we know about evolution. You could do the
321:54 know about evolution. You could do the same thing. You could do the same thing,
321:56 same thing. You could do the same thing, James, with a dog and a palm tree. You
321:59 James, with a dog and a palm tree. You could say, "Look, I'm this much related.
322:00 could say, "Look, I'm this much related. >> We're all connected. We were all created
322:02 >> We're all connected. We were all created from this earth,
322:04 from this earth, >> you know, from this."
322:06 >> you know, from this." >> Can I can I ask, so are the call screen
322:10 >> Can I can I ask, so are the call screen says that you want to talk about the big
322:11 says that you want to talk about the big bang? And then specifically, it said
322:12 bang? And then specifically, it said there are limitations to science. So,
322:14 there are limitations to science. So, I'm really curious and and you know, I'm
322:17 I'm really curious and and you know, I'm sorry to rush you here. I know that I'm
322:19 sorry to rush you here. I know that I'm kind of like getting at the getting at
322:20 kind of like getting at the getting at the point of things here, but you know,
322:21 the point of things here, but you know, we unfortunately we we we're trying to
322:24 we unfortunately we we we're trying to be a little faster with our calls
322:25 be a little faster with our calls because we have so many people waiting.
322:26 because we have so many people waiting. >> Yeah. No worries.
322:27 >> Yeah. No worries. >> No worries.
322:28 >> No worries. >> Yeah. What are what are the limitations
322:30 >> Yeah. What are what are the limitations to science in your opinion?
322:33 to science in your opinion? >> So, like how we trace the big bang,
322:35 >> So, like how we trace the big bang, right? We need evidence, right? We got
322:37 right? We need evidence, right? We got to there needs to be this trail, right?
322:40 to there needs to be this trail, right? So, but it always stops at the trail.
322:43 So, but it always stops at the trail. But we know deep down inside like
322:46 But we know deep down inside like something doesn't come from mopping. You
322:48 something doesn't come from mopping. You know what I'm saying? This is an inner
322:50 know what I'm saying? This is an inner voice that I'm talking about, right?
322:52 voice that I'm talking about, right? This is the same voice that says when I
322:55 This is the same voice that says when I see that number,
322:56 see that number, >> right? That I consider you sister. So,
322:59 >> right? That I consider you sister. So, it's just a mentality. It's like and so
323:02 it's just a mentality. It's like and so if we know this, right, and we're at the
323:04 if we know this, right, and we're at the peak of our science and we verified that
323:06 peak of our science and we verified that we're 99 whatever percent identical,
323:09 we're 99 whatever percent identical, it's like why doesn't science preach
323:12 it's like why doesn't science preach that and spread that message saying
323:14 that and spread that message saying we're all brothers and sisters because
323:16 we're all brothers and sisters because we found this holy this whatever this
323:19 we found this holy this whatever this mitochondria DNA from thousands and
323:21 mitochondria DNA from thousands and thousands of years ago that link us to a
323:24 thousands of years ago that link us to a certain mother.
323:25 certain mother. >> It does.
323:26 >> It does. >> Do you understand what I'm saying?
323:27 >> Do you understand what I'm saying? >> I lit I literally just gave a lecture.
323:30 >> I lit I literally just gave a lecture. >> Yeah. It's I literally just gave a
323:32 >> Yeah. It's I literally just gave a lecture two weeks ago on exactly that. I
323:34 lecture two weeks ago on exactly that. I can go show you. I've got my
323:35 can go show you. I've got my evolutionary biology. I've got three
323:37 evolutionary biology. I've got three evolutionary biology textbooks right
323:38 evolutionary biology textbooks right here. I've got one right over here
323:40 here. I've got one right over here called about race from it's an
323:42 called about race from it's an anthropology textbook. I've got
323:44 anthropology textbook. I've got bioanthology textbook right over there.
323:46 bioanthology textbook right over there. All of them text teach this exact same
323:48 All of them text teach this exact same thing. I've been taught that lesson for
323:50 thing. I've been taught that lesson for my entire biological career. When when
323:52 my entire biological career. When when hum when biologists say we are all
323:54 hum when biologists say we are all related and everybody's my family, we
323:57 related and everybody's my family, we [ __ ] mean it. It's a very real thing.
323:59 [ __ ] mean it. It's a very real thing. Um so yes we do we do teach that um that
324:03 Um so yes we do we do teach that um that is a major stick staple in understanding
324:05 is a major stick staple in understanding biology. We had a specific unit when I
324:09 biology. We had a specific unit when I love right
324:11 love right humans are all family in particular,
324:14 humans are all family in particular, right? And that any concept of like
324:16 right? And that any concept of like humans being separated in any major way,
324:19 humans being separated in any major way, especially compared to other organisms,
324:20 especially compared to other organisms, is is folly because we are so similar.
324:23 is is folly because we are so similar. That's true. But I'm wondering how this
324:26 That's true. But I'm wondering how this sort of relates because it seems and you
324:28 sort of relates because it seems and you know, correct me if I'm wrong. It seems
324:30 know, correct me if I'm wrong. It seems kind of like what you're getting at here
324:31 kind of like what you're getting at here is that it's like humans are all so
324:33 is that it's like humans are all so closely related and we we know this
324:35 closely related and we we know this intrinsically and that we we can
324:37 intrinsically and that we we can recognize like through the love of the
324:39 recognize like through the love of the species that we all share more than we
324:41 species that we all share more than we are different. And that's kind of the
324:43 are different. And that's kind of the argument that you're getting at like
324:44 argument that you're getting at like that science can't investigate that kind
324:46 that science can't investigate that kind of of the vibe, right? Is that kind of
324:48 of of the vibe, right? Is that kind of what's going on here?
324:50 what's going on here? >> Right. Because then what's the driving
324:52 >> Right. Because then what's the driving force that's pushing us away from that?
324:56 force that's pushing us away from that? >> Gotcha. So what what I would push back
324:59 >> Gotcha. So what what I would push back Sorry.
325:00 Sorry. >> Sorry. What I would push back just with
325:02 >> Sorry. What I would push back just with that concept is that I I would love it
325:04 that concept is that I I would love it if everybody recognized that we are all
325:07 if everybody recognized that we are all more alike than we are different because
325:09 more alike than we are different because it's true. It's factually true. We look
325:11 it's true. It's factually true. We look at our genomes. We It's just a fact.
325:13 at our genomes. We It's just a fact. It's
325:14 It's >> wonderful and and amazing aspect of
325:17 >> wonderful and and amazing aspect of modern science that that confirms what
325:18 modern science that that confirms what people have been uh what you know the
325:20 people have been uh what you know the the sort of right people have been
325:21 the sort of right people have been saying for for a very long time is that
325:23 saying for for a very long time is that humans are all one family and and
325:25 humans are all one family and and there's not much that separates us from
325:27 there's not much that separates us from each other. However, I will point out
325:29 each other. However, I will point out that our species has a very rich history
325:32 that our species has a very rich history of claiming the exact opposite. There
325:35 of claiming the exact opposite. There are people who claim from the deepest
325:37 are people who claim from the deepest darkest parts of their hearts that
325:38 darkest parts of their hearts that humans are very different on on, you
325:40 humans are very different on on, you know, sex basis or race basis or
325:43 know, sex basis or race basis or ethnicity basis or whatever category
325:45 ethnicity basis or whatever category they can dream up. And to those people,
325:48 they can dream up. And to those people, I would argue they don't know in their
325:49 I would argue they don't know in their heart that humans are all more similar
325:51 heart that humans are all more similar than we are different. I would argue
325:52 than we are different. I would argue that they have been horribly misled and
325:55 that they have been horribly misled and that, you know, the the nature of humans
325:57 that, you know, the the nature of humans and and the nature of the of the culture
325:58 and and the nature of the of the culture that they grew up in has led them to
326:01 that they grew up in has led them to understand the world as far more
326:03 understand the world as far more different and and more categorical than
326:04 different and and more categorical than it actually is. But I think that's a
326:07 it actually is. But I think that's a point sort of against this notion that
326:09 point sort of against this notion that we all intrinsically know that we're a
326:10 we all intrinsically know that we're a family because some people claim very
326:12 family because some people claim very strongly that we're not and they're
326:14 strongly that we're not and they're wrong for saying that. But but it seems
326:16 wrong for saying that. But but it seems that they don't it seems that they don't
326:18 that they don't it seems that they don't understand what it is that you're
326:19 understand what it is that you're saying. You know what I mean?
326:22 saying. You know what I mean? Yes.
326:27 So, yeah,
326:28 yeah, I agree with 100% what you just said
326:31 I agree with 100% what you just said right there, right? It's a
326:33 right there, right? It's a confusionbased, right? Because this is
326:35 confusionbased, right? Because this is it's like you said, it's fact. It's
326:37 it's like you said, it's fact. It's measurable science set, right? So, the
326:40 measurable science set, right? So, the so what I'm talking about is a counter
326:42 so what I'm talking about is a counter to that, right? Like I'm going to I'm
326:44 to that, right? Like I'm going to I'm gonna what I'm going to show are the two
326:45 gonna what I'm going to show are the two driving forces. Like we can agree that
326:47 driving forces. Like we can agree that they're good and evil, right?
326:55 I mean, objectively, no. But like in in our
326:58 objectively, no. But like in in our lives, sure.
327:01 lives, sure. >> So,
327:03 >> So, right. Okay. Beautiful. You had animals.
327:05 right. Okay. Beautiful. You had animals. You guys both had animal experiences,
327:08 You guys both had animal experiences, right?
327:09 right? >> Yeah. I got
327:11 >> Yeah. I got >> every single interaction I've every
327:13 >> every single interaction I've every interaction I've ever had with another
327:14 interaction I've ever had with another person was an animal experience.
327:17 person was an animal experience. >> And you love these animals, correct? In
327:19 >> And you love these animals, correct? In >> my room. Yes, deeply. Y
327:23 >> my room. Yes, deeply. Y >> So, in the shortest sentence possible,
327:26 >> So, in the shortest sentence possible, how could you summarize the relationship
327:29 how could you summarize the relationship that you had with those animals? Like,
327:31 that you had with those animals? Like, >> as cut and dry, like what that
327:33 >> as cut and dry, like what that relationship was to you?
327:36 relationship was to you? >> Oh, for me it's love. I love my I love
327:39 >> Oh, for me it's love. I love my I love my pets. I love my family.
327:41 my pets. I love my family. >> Great. However, I I'm walking I'm
327:44 >> Great. However, I I'm walking I'm intentionally walking into your trap,
327:45 intentionally walking into your trap, James. I agree with you that love is a
327:48 James. I agree with you that love is a real it's a real thing that people
327:50 real it's a real thing that people recognize, right? Like obviously, of
327:52 recognize, right? Like obviously, of course, it's something that we feel, but
327:54 course, it's something that we feel, but I would argue that other animals feel
327:56 I would argue that other animals feel love as well. I truly do believe that my
327:58 love as well. I truly do believe that my dogs feel some measure of love towards
328:00 dogs feel some measure of love towards me and it's a different type because
328:01 me and it's a different type because we're different critters, but we love
328:03 we're different critters, but we love each other. There's affection there.
328:05 each other. There's affection there. There's dopamine release there. There's
328:06 There's dopamine release there. There's chemical bonding, right? Like I I guess
328:09 chemical bonding, right? Like I I guess where I'm drawing the line for me is
328:11 where I'm drawing the line for me is that I don't see love as necessarily
328:14 that I don't see love as necessarily supernatural, right? Like I think love
328:17 supernatural, right? Like I think love is conceivable and no less wonderful
328:20 is conceivable and no less wonderful from a naturalistic perspective. That
328:22 from a naturalistic perspective. That would be my counter to that.
328:26 would be my counter to that. >> Okay. So I guess my counter to that is
328:30 >> Okay. So I guess my counter to that is right humans we can communicate and
328:33 right humans we can communicate and think we're in love but not right. Like
328:36 think we're in love but not right. Like people can communicate without talking,
328:38 people can communicate without talking, right? Just like how you can
328:39 right? Just like how you can communicate, you have a bond with an
328:41 communicate, you have a bond with an animal that you're not talking the same
328:44 animal that you're not talking the same language, right? It's through this
328:47 language, right? It's through this relationship of action and the
328:49 relationship of action and the ecosystem. The like that dog knows
328:52 ecosystem. The like that dog knows you're going to feed him every day,
328:54 you're going to feed him every day, right? He knows he's loved, right?
328:58 right? He knows he's loved, right? >> Hold on. I'm going to grab him. People
328:59 >> Hold on. I'm going to grab him. People are asking for the dog tax forced.
329:01 are asking for the dog tax forced. Handle this while I grab this dog.
329:04 Handle this while I grab this dog. I have no idea what we're getting at.
329:06 I have no idea what we're getting at. I'll be honest with you. I don't. I I
329:08 I'll be honest with you. I don't. I I love is a thing and companionship is a
329:11 love is a thing and companionship is a thing. What does this lead us to?
329:14 thing. What does this lead us to? >> Well, because what I'm talking about is
329:15 >> Well, because what I'm talking about is the two energies, the construct, right?
329:18 the two energies, the construct, right? Like the measurable science and the
329:20 Like the measurable science and the things that science can't measure,
329:22 things that science can't measure, right? And which is ultimately the boil
329:24 right? And which is ultimately the boil down to is that you're the master of
329:27 down to is that you're the master of your own universe. Like you go
329:29 your own universe. Like you go berrypicking, right? Like I love that
329:32 berrypicking, right? Like I love that story because I can relate to it cuz why
329:36 story because I can relate to it cuz why we we have a taste for what's sweet,
329:39 we we have a taste for what's sweet, right? We know what's right. We're not
329:41 right? We know what's right. We're not eating the leaves. We're not eating the
329:43 eating the leaves. We're not eating the branches. We're eating from the
329:45 branches. We're eating from the >> eat leaves and branches all the time.
329:48 >> eat leaves and branches all the time. >> You eat blueberry leaves and branches.
329:51 >> You eat blueberry leaves and branches. >> Not off of blueberry. I'm talking about
329:53 >> Not off of blueberry. I'm talking about other plants. I eat salads.
329:56 other plants. I eat salads. >> I'm talking about the blueberry patch
329:58 >> I'm talking about the blueberry patch story. you know, you have
329:59 story. you know, you have >> but I also
330:01 >> but I also >> but in the thing is if I if you were to
330:03 >> but in the thing is if I if you were to show me like broccoli, I wouldn't be
330:06 show me like broccoli, I wouldn't be eating the fruit of that plant. And so
330:08 eating the fruit of that plant. And so like all you're describing to me is just
330:10 like all you're describing to me is just like humans like things that they like.
330:11 like humans like things that they like. And I'm yeah, I agree. We eat things
330:14 And I'm yeah, I agree. We eat things that are nutritious and tasty. What does
330:16 that are nutritious and tasty. What does that tell us about
330:18 that tell us about selective in that fashion? Right. We're
330:21 selective in that fashion? Right. We're selective.
330:23 selective. >> Yes.
330:23 >> Yes. >> Right. That's agreeable. We're selective
330:25 >> Right. That's agreeable. We're selective in that fashion. And it's the same thing
330:27 in that fashion. And it's the same thing with the like energies of life, right?
330:30 with the like energies of life, right? It's so like I I don't know the exact
330:33 It's so like I I don't know the exact name of the experiment. Do you know the
330:35 name of the experiment. Do you know the I think you do. It's like where they've
330:37 I think you do. It's like where they've passed through these photons through
330:39 passed through these photons through these slits, right? These three
330:40 these slits, right? These three different slits and they thought
330:42 different slits and they thought >> double split experiment.
330:46 >> double split experiment. >> Oh, I'm sorry. What?
330:48 >> Oh, I'm sorry. What? >> It's the double slit experiment. Yeah.
330:49 >> It's the double slit experiment. Yeah. Where they found that's how they show
330:53 Where they found that's how they show >> light behaves as a particle and a wave.
330:55 >> light behaves as a particle and a wave. Yes,
330:57 Yes, >> behaves a particle and a wave. And then
330:59 >> behaves a particle and a wave. And then what happened when there was an observer
331:02 what happened when there was an observer >> then it behaved as a particle.
331:05 >> then it behaved as a particle. >> It behaved differently, right?
331:08 >> It behaved differently, right? >> Mhm.
331:09 >> Mhm. >> So So what what is a pretty much simple
331:12 >> So So what what is a pretty much simple conclusion from that experiment right
331:14 conclusion from that experiment right there?
331:15 there? >> Quantum mechanics is weird.
331:22 >> No, but I'm talking about the power of us. like your conclusion about how we
331:25 us. like your conclusion about how we affected experiment.
331:29 affected experiment. >> I don't have one because I'm not a
331:31 >> I don't have one because I'm not a physicist, but I have yet to meet I do
331:33 physicist, but I have yet to meet I do know I have several friends with
331:35 know I have several friends with training in quantum physics that know
331:37 training in quantum physics that know that experiment better than I ever
331:39 that experiment better than I ever could. And not a single one of them is
331:41 could. And not a single one of them is convinced of anything supernatural
331:43 convinced of anything supernatural happening there, anything magical,
331:46 happening there, anything magical, anything connecting humans to the
331:47 anything connecting humans to the universe or anything like that. None of
331:49 universe or anything like that. None of that seems to be an issue. This is as
331:51 that seems to be an issue. This is as simple as you agreed that the experiment
331:53 simple as you agreed that the experiment changed the moment there was an observer
331:55 changed the moment there was an observer present. Right. You you nailed it. Like
331:58 present. Right. You you nailed it. Like you said, what did it say? You It's like
332:00 you said, what did it say? You It's like it turned into a proton. Right.
332:03 it turned into a proton. Right. >> Right. We we don't I don't know why and
332:06 >> Right. We we don't I don't know why and I have no reason to think that it's
332:08 I have no reason to think that it's magic. Where are we go? Can we skip to
332:09 magic. Where are we go? Can we skip to the end? What's the point here? Like
332:11 the end? What's the point here? Like what's the conclusion?
332:12 what's the conclusion? >> I'm drawing a line here. I'm drawing a
332:14 >> I'm drawing a line here. I'm drawing a line here. Right. Like to write power of
332:17 line here. Right. Like to write power of observation, right?
332:19 observation, right? you know, the power of what is
332:21 you know, the power of what is contained, the energy contained within
332:23 contained, the energy contained within your heart, right? You know, and so my
332:27 your heart, right? You know, and so my point is, I guess where I'm going with
332:29 point is, I guess where I'm going with this,
332:30 this, >> the observer doesn't have to be a person
332:32 >> the observer doesn't have to be a person either, by the way. Does do cameras have
332:34 either, by the way. Does do cameras have the same magical powers that humans do?
332:36 the same magical powers that humans do? Because the observer doesn't have to be
332:38 Because the observer doesn't have to be a person.
332:43 >> Well, we created that thing that's altering it, right? We put it there.
332:46 altering it, right? We put it there. >> Okay. Okay. You don't understand, right?
332:50 >> Okay. Okay. You don't understand, right? >> Yeah.
332:51 >> Yeah. >> All right. So, how about this is the
332:52 >> All right. So, how about this is the next thing I wanted to hit on, right?
332:54 next thing I wanted to hit on, right? Like what's the number one like you you
332:57 Like what's the number one like you you do you agree that placebo is like one of
332:59 do you agree that placebo is like one of the most successful pills they've handed
333:01 the most successful pills they've handed out?
333:02 out? >> No.
333:05 >> No. >> No.
333:05 >> No. >> Placebo. So, so a place
333:08 >> Placebo. So, so a place >> the placebo effect does happen. There's
333:11 >> the placebo effect does happen. There's also a noibo effect which is the exact
333:13 also a noibo effect which is the exact opposite. If they tell someone this is
333:15 opposite. If they tell someone this is going to harm them, they will believe
333:17 going to harm them, they will believe that it does and they will feel it the
333:19 that it does and they will feel it the same way as if you give them a plus eibo
333:21 same way as if you give them a plus eibo and say this will help you. Sometimes
333:22 and say this will help you. Sometimes people feel it. Um, however, it is not
333:25 people feel it. Um, however, it is not it is by definition not the most
333:27 it is by definition not the most successful thing. That's why we when
333:29 successful thing. That's why we when we're doing drug testing, we compare the
333:31 we're doing drug testing, we compare the drug to a placebo to see if the drug
333:34 drug to a placebo to see if the drug itself is more effective than the
333:36 itself is more effective than the placebo.
333:38 placebo. >> Okay. So I guess let's re So has there
333:41 >> Okay. So I guess let's re So has there been at least one case where somebody
333:43 been at least one case where somebody with a sugar pill healed themselves.
333:50 >> We we can point to cases where people with a sugar pill felt like they were
333:52 with a sugar pill felt like they were getting better, but not where a sugar
333:54 getting better, but not where a sugar pill cured the disease.
333:55 pill cured the disease. >> No physical evidence of like curing
333:58 >> No physical evidence of like curing cancer. None of that like readings and
334:00 cancer. None of that like readings and x-rays of things like receding or
334:02 x-rays of things like receding or getting better.
334:04 getting better. >> Yes, cancer sometimes goes into
334:06 >> Yes, cancer sometimes goes into remission by itself. Yes, it does. Not
334:08 remission by itself. Yes, it does. Not in association with we gave them a
334:10 in association with we gave them a placebo and they believed it and then it
334:11 placebo and they believed it and then it did.
334:13 did. >> All right. But I'm saying if but in the
334:15 >> All right. But I'm saying if but in the instance that is successful though,
334:17 instance that is successful though, right?
334:18 right? >> So can we agree that in that moment that
334:20 >> So can we agree that in that moment that human mind healed itself?
334:24 human mind healed itself? >> The human mind didn't heal itself.
334:27 >> The human mind didn't heal itself. Cancer went into remission on its own.
334:29 Cancer went into remission on its own. Some sometimes cancer does just go into
334:32 Some sometimes cancer does just go into remission because you have anti-tuil
334:35 remission because you have anti-tuil genes. You have tumor suppressant genes
334:36 genes. You have tumor suppressant genes in your DNA. Your cells are supposed to
334:39 in your DNA. Your cells are supposed to go through apoptosis. Your own immune
334:41 go through apoptosis. Your own immune system can fight cancer on its own. You
334:44 system can fight cancer on its own. You get cancer every single day, James.
334:46 get cancer every single day, James. That's a fun fact for you. Literally,
334:48 That's a fun fact for you. Literally, every day you develop cancer, your body
334:50 every day you develop cancer, your body fights it off. The reason you know what
334:52 fights it off. The reason you know what cancer is, the reason why cancer is a
334:54 cancer is, the reason why cancer is a death sentence or a big problem is when
334:57 death sentence or a big problem is when it gets out of hand and it goes far
334:59 it gets out of hand and it goes far beyond the ability of your body to
335:01 beyond the ability of your body to contain. But you get cancer all the time
335:03 contain. But you get cancer all the time and it gets destroyed by your body all
335:05 and it gets destroyed by your body all the time.
335:07 the time. >> James, if I may, I'm not I'm not 100%
335:10 >> James, if I may, I'm not I'm not 100% sure that we're going to get anywhere
335:12 sure that we're going to get anywhere with this because I think I think maybe
335:14 with this because I think I think maybe we're not on the same page. May I
335:16 we're not on the same page. May I suggest we table this for the time being
335:20 suggest we table this for the time being so Forest and I can get to some other
335:21 so Forest and I can get to some other calls and then you call back the next
335:23 calls and then you call back the next time for
335:29 >> you don't explain. I understand. >> Thank you, James. this call was about
335:32 >> Thank you, James. this call was about James.
335:33 James. >> Well, no. It's like the measurable truth
335:36 >> Well, no. It's like the measurable truth like you said, we're following the
335:37 like you said, we're following the light, right? And this is where my uh I
335:40 light, right? And this is where my uh I guess trying to bring it in coincided
335:42 guess trying to bring it in coincided with Christianity is that it's an inward
335:44 with Christianity is that it's an inward journey. Like everybody looks at this
335:46 journey. Like everybody looks at this external world, but that that book and
335:50 external world, but that that book and those stories and God's love is it's an
335:53 those stories and God's love is it's an internal thing. You know what I'm
335:55 internal thing. You know what I'm saying? Like it's how you align your
335:57 saying? Like it's how you align your mind, heart, and soul.
336:00 mind, heart, and soul. And Okay,
336:01 And Okay, >> I guess what I'm from this is like
336:04 >> I guess what I'm from this is like >> I I don't I'm sorry. I don't believe in
336:06 >> I I don't I'm sorry. I don't believe in God's love. I don't believe there is a
336:08 God's love. I don't believe there is a God and all the gods on offer are not
336:10 God and all the gods on offer are not loving. And you mentioned earlier the
336:12 loving. And you mentioned earlier the Bible, the God of the Bible certainly is
336:14 Bible, the God of the Bible certainly is not loving. So, like it sounds like
336:17 not loving. So, like it sounds like you're trying to draw an analogy here.
336:19 you're trying to draw an analogy here. And fundamentally,
336:22 And fundamentally, science and what we know about the
336:23 science and what we know about the universe are just so fundamentally
336:27 universe are just so fundamentally different than any theology you could
336:29 different than any theology you could throw at us. And you can say this is
336:32 throw at us. And you can say this is kind of like that in the same way that I
336:34 kind of like that in the same way that I was brought up being taught stories
336:35 was brought up being taught stories about monks and scorpions and [ __ ] and
336:38 about monks and scorpions and [ __ ] and and all these like fables from like
336:39 and all these like fables from like Buddhist mythology to teach me morals
336:43 Buddhist mythology to teach me morals and guidelines and ideas. But those
336:45 and guidelines and ideas. But those things aren't real. They're just
336:47 things aren't real. They're just analogies. And so you can draw an
336:48 analogies. And so you can draw an analogy and say like, "Hey, humans have
336:50 analogy and say like, "Hey, humans have love and light and blah blah blah."
336:52 love and light and blah blah blah." Cool. We know about those things because
336:54 Cool. We know about those things because of science. They they don't come from
336:55 of science. They they don't come from God. And I don't know of a god which
336:57 God. And I don't know of a god which could possibly represent those things.
337:01 could possibly represent those things. >> But didn't you say earlier that science
337:03 >> But didn't you say earlier that science is wrong and it corrects itself
337:05 is wrong and it corrects itself sometimes?
337:07 sometimes? >> Yes. Which is why it's better than
337:08 >> Yes. Which is why it's better than religion? I'm I'm so I don't know. I
337:10 religion? I'm I'm so I don't know. I still don't know. I think we're at the
337:12 still don't know. I think we're at the point of this. No, but see, do you see
337:14 point of this. No, but see, do you see how like it could be misleading at times
337:18 how like it could be misleading at times and then we evolve and learn
337:20 and then we evolve and learn >> from that mistake, right? It's a
337:22 >> from that mistake, right? It's a process.
337:23 process. >> No,
337:24 >> No, it it is a process. What you're
337:26 it it is a process. What you're identifying here is not a process. And
337:28 identifying here is not a process. And also, that's not a good representation
337:29 also, that's not a good representation of how it works.
337:31 of how it works. >> Um, James, it's been 34 minutes and
337:33 >> Um, James, it's been 34 minutes and we're just we're just now getting to a
337:36 we're just we're just now getting to a part where we almost have a conversation
337:38 part where we almost have a conversation and it's weird, dude. So, I uh I
337:40 and it's weird, dude. So, I uh I encourage you to call back in sometime
337:42 encourage you to call back in sometime and maybe we can try to get to the point
337:44 and maybe we can try to get to the point faster, but I I don't understand what
337:46 faster, but I I don't understand what the point of this call is besides
337:49 the point of this call is besides >> humans have love and that's kind of like
337:50 >> humans have love and that's kind of like a god sometimes.
337:52 a god sometimes. >> I don't I don't get the point and uh
337:54 >> I don't I don't get the point and uh it's not doing anything for me.
337:56 it's not doing anything for me. >> Thank you for the call, James.
337:58 >> Thank you for the call, James. >> Maybe next. Yeah. Take care, guys.
338:00 >> Maybe next. Yeah. Take care, guys. >> Maybe next time. Bye-bye.
338:03 >> Maybe next time. Bye-bye. The [ __ ] just happened?
338:09 What are you thinking about? Oh, wait. It's super chat. It's super chat time.
338:12 It's super chat. It's super chat time. Yeah, there's um some
338:13 Yeah, there's um some >> It's super chat time.
338:15 >> It's super chat time. >> There's some in the Discord.
338:16 >> There's some in the Discord. >> The [ __ ] was that?
338:19 >> The [ __ ] was that? >> There's some in the Discord, which I
338:20 >> There's some in the Discord, which I won't be able to put up on the screen
338:21 won't be able to put up on the screen because they came in during or before my
338:23 because they came in during or before my power outage. So, if you want to read
338:25 power outage. So, if you want to read those from the image that Lucian posted
338:27 those from the image that Lucian posted earlier, and then I can pick up when
338:29 earlier, and then I can pick up when those are over.
338:31 those are over. >> All right.
338:31 >> All right. >> The blind limey sent $10. Uh Jamie 3:16
338:37 >> The blind limey sent $10. Uh Jamie 3:16 says Steve's arguments are toing Jolly
338:41 says Steve's arguments are toing Jolly Bobbles for vacasillating baby men. What
338:45 Bobbles for vacasillating baby men. What in the British [ __ ] is that? Uh and
338:48 in the British [ __ ] is that? Uh and that's the bottom line because Blind
338:50 that's the bottom line because Blind Limey says so. What? What? What? You are
338:53 Limey says so. What? What? What? You are not beating the allegation, Jamie.
338:55 not beating the allegation, Jamie. That's That is the most British [ __ ]
338:56 That's That is the most British [ __ ] thing I've read all day. That's crazy. I
339:00 thing I've read all day. That's crazy. I I
339:00 I >> that just
339:02 >> that just that astrally or or psionically
339:05 that astrally or or psionically projected an image of beans on toast
339:08 projected an image of beans on toast into my mind.
339:09 into my mind. >> I I feel like my teeth just got more
339:11 >> I I feel like my teeth just got more crooked from reading that. That is why
339:14 crooked from reading that. That is why >> I feel like I just lost some kind of war
339:16 >> I feel like I just lost some kind of war in the 1700s.
339:19 in the 1700s. >> Oh my god,
339:20 >> Oh my god, >> we got J.
339:21 >> we got J. >> I love it when Americans call upy downy
339:23 >> I love it when Americans call upy downy lighty whiteies light switches. [ __ ]
339:26 lighty whiteies light switches. [ __ ] Jamie.
339:29 Jamie. What about school shootings? We got Jim
339:31 What about school shootings? We got Jim Bolini for $10. Well-known UK freeth
339:34 Bolini for $10. Well-known UK freeth thinker. Carl
339:37 thinker. Carl Helinkington
339:39 Helinkington once asked these important questions.
339:41 once asked these important questions. Pilington once asked these important
339:43 Pilington once asked these important questions. Jellyfish. What do they do
339:45 questions. Jellyfish. What do they do and do we need them? They seem very
339:48 and do we need them? They seem very shifty, you know. Have a great stream,
339:50 shifty, you know. Have a great stream, guys. And thank you.
339:52 guys. And thank you. >> Thank you. Carl Pington is uh
339:54 >> Thank you. Carl Pington is uh >> that that's the guy Ricky Derves did
339:56 >> that that's the guy Ricky Derves did that whole series with him of like
339:58 that whole series with him of like traveling the world and the guy's what
340:00 traveling the world and the guy's what he kept saying like head like a [ __ ]
340:02 he kept saying like head like a [ __ ] orange. It's just the whole character is
340:04 orange. It's just the whole character is just this dim-witted [ __ ] dude. It's
340:06 just this dim-witted [ __ ] dude. It's great.
340:08 great. >> Well, he's got point on Narian.
340:11 >> Well, he's got point on Narian. >> Hey, uh from I was excited about ss
340:14 >> Hey, uh from I was excited about ss today. I want to squeeze a s before I
340:16 today. I want to squeeze a s before I die. That sounds like a lot of fun.
340:17 die. That sounds like a lot of fun. >> Forbidden forbidden snack.
340:20 >> Forbidden forbidden snack. >> Yeah, dude. Uh, I ad 84 sent $10. I grew
340:23 >> Yeah, dude. Uh, I ad 84 sent $10. I grew up on the mean streets. It was bullyard.
340:26 up on the mean streets. It was bullyard. Sorry, Erica. Uh, I post 40. Joy only
340:30 Sorry, Erica. Uh, I post 40. Joy only comes from suffering the suffering of
340:32 comes from suffering the suffering of the younger ones like you. Love that.
340:36 the younger ones like you. Love that. >> You're so in with a bully stick, which
340:40 >> You're so in with a bully stick, which those are what cops use, but I'll use it
340:42 those are what cops use, but I'll use it for my nefarious purposes instead of
340:44 for my nefarious purposes instead of their nefarious purposes. We get Jess
340:47 their nefarious purposes. We get Jess Chappelle for $10.
340:50 Chappelle for $10. There once was a fellow from Trinity who
340:52 There once was a fellow from Trinity who took the square root of infinity with
340:55 took the square root of infinity with the number of digits gave him the
340:57 the number of digits gave him the fidgets. He dropped math and took up
340:59 fidgets. He dropped math and took up divinity. That's pretty good. That's a
341:01 divinity. That's pretty good. That's a pretty good little limmerick.
341:02 pretty good little limmerick. >> Really good.
341:02 >> Really good. >> I like a liick.
341:03 >> I like a liick. >> Oh, wait. It's make it up. George Gamau,
341:07 >> Oh, wait. It's make it up. George Gamau, physicist, 1947.
341:14 >> Uh Karen Boyd sent $10. I apologize for my previous basil attempt at humor. I
341:16 my previous basil attempt at humor. I need to think of something more derived.
341:18 need to think of something more derived. But no mutation has survived selection
341:21 But no mutation has survived selection pressure.
341:22 pressure. >> Extinction. Extinction spiral for you,
341:24 >> Extinction. Extinction spiral for you, Karen.
341:26 Karen. Immediately.
341:28 Immediately. Your your lineage will not persist after
341:31 Your your lineage will not persist after you. But thank you for the $10 and the
341:33 you. But thank you for the $10 and the cute kitty cat. Um, we got Astrionic.
341:36 cute kitty cat. Um, we got Astrionic. Oh, wait. No, no, no. That's nothing. We
341:38 Oh, wait. No, no, no. That's nothing. We got
341:39 got What do we do for memberships?
341:41 What do we do for memberships? Membership for 20 months.
341:42 Membership for 20 months. >> Yeah, skip them. Just skip them, please.
341:44 >> Yeah, skip them. Just skip them, please. Oh, [ __ ] Sorry. Sorry. Jay, sorry. Jay
341:48 Oh, [ __ ] Sorry. Sorry. Jay, sorry. Jay Forest said, "Dazz Lenny for€ 10 euros."
341:51 Forest said, "Dazz Lenny for€ 10 euros." Yep. It's not fair. It's a duel of wits
341:53 Yep. It's not fair. It's a duel of wits and the host are scientists while most
341:55 and the host are scientists while most callers are intellectually unarmed. RHFD
341:58 callers are intellectually unarmed. RHFD and always feed the closet goblin.
342:03 and always feed the closet goblin. >> Radicalman [ __ ] dicks to you, too.
342:07 >> Radicalman [ __ ] dicks to you, too. >> Oh. Oh. Oh. You can't just You can't
342:09 >> Oh. Oh. Oh. You can't just You can't just jump scare me with Heyman like
342:11 just jump scare me with Heyman like that, dude. I don't want to hear.
342:12 that, dude. I don't want to hear. >> What else could it mean? I don't want to
342:14 >> What else could it mean? I don't want to hear that.
342:15 hear that. >> Yeah,
342:17 >> Yeah, I'm certain there are more.
342:19 I'm certain there are more. >> Yes, Arcane Goat 2024 sent $10. Not a
342:24 >> Yes, Arcane Goat 2024 sent $10. Not a poo pun, but it amuses me that you know
342:27 poo pun, but it amuses me that you know my pup's name is Winnie the Pooh head
342:28 my pup's name is Winnie the Pooh head when she's being stubborn.
342:31 when she's being stubborn. >> I'll never forget.
342:33 >> I'll never forget. >> Also, Chad has informed me that bully
342:35 >> Also, Chad has informed me that bully stick is what you give your dog's billy
342:37 stick is what you give your dog's billy club is what cops use. So it just
342:40 club is what cops use. So it just imagine it's a very very large
342:42 imagine it's a very very large >> imagine a very large bully stick that is
342:45 >> imagine a very large bully stick that is very dense at one end. It sort of looks
342:47 very dense at one end. It sort of looks like a club. Maybe it was taken maybe
342:49 like a club. Maybe it was taken maybe it's like a dried whale meat or
342:51 it's like a dried whale meat or something like that. And that's how I
342:52 something like that. And that's how I will cave your head in. Sorry guys. It
342:54 will cave your head in. Sorry guys. It seems like I have
342:56 seems like I have >> my brain is soup today. It turns out
343:00 >> my brain is soup today. It turns out >> I'm pretty sure a bully stick is a
343:02 >> I'm pretty sure a bully stick is a dehydrated bull's penis as as like a raw
343:04 dehydrated bull's penis as as like a raw hide chew. So like the fact that you're
343:06 hide chew. So like the fact that you're hitting him with that is if anything
343:07 hitting him with that is if anything more insulting.
343:09 more insulting. Do you think I I wonder if those still
343:11 Do you think I I wonder if those still have the bulum in them or not? I feel
343:14 have the bulum in them or not? I feel like they would have to, right?
343:16 like they would have to, right? Whatever. That's a question for another
343:17 Whatever. That's a question for another time. We get the negative commenter TNC
343:20 time. We get the negative commenter TNC for 10 bucks. Late fall winter on the
343:23 for 10 bucks. Late fall winter on the line means I must play Jedi Fall in
343:25 line means I must play Jedi Fall in Order. It started with Promise and
343:26 Order. It started with Promise and Forest on live and now it's a
343:28 Forest on live and now it's a requirement. I've maxed out both games
343:30 requirement. I've maxed out both games twice. Um, epic gamer moment, my friend.
343:35 twice. Um, epic gamer moment, my friend. >> I want to let you know that I was
343:36 >> I want to let you know that I was correct. I was correct and I just found
343:39 correct. I was correct and I just found out I'm correct by googling is bully
343:41 out I'm correct by googling is bully stick penis meat and uh my ISP hates me
343:45 stick penis meat and uh my ISP hates me because I'm a biologist. Uh we got
343:49 because I'm a biologist. Uh we got >> they probably love it. Your your FBI
343:51 >> they probably love it. Your your FBI agent is probably having a ball,
343:54 agent is probably having a ball, >> right? Henny Ball sent $20. Can you
343:58 >> right? Henny Ball sent $20. Can you speak to the ethics of withholding
344:00 speak to the ethics of withholding science benefits from science deniers?
344:02 science benefits from science deniers? Would there be a framework uh to go g
344:06 Would there be a framework uh to go g what uh somehow and show the
344:08 what uh somehow and show the anti-science
344:10 anti-science pro anti-cience anti-truth people the
344:12 pro anti-cience anti-truth people the consequences of their ignorance thank
344:14 consequences of their ignorance thank the the best you can do is just teach
344:16 the the best you can do is just teach them what the world was like it's it is
344:18 them what the world was like it's it is not ethical to say hey you don't like
344:20 not ethical to say hey you don't like vaccines you don't get vaccines because
344:22 vaccines you don't get vaccines because they need not only does that hurt them
344:23 they need not only does that hurt them unnecessarily it also hurts everyone
344:26 unnecessarily it also hurts everyone else around them because you risk
344:27 else around them because you risk hurting her immunity and [ __ ] and
344:29 hurting her immunity and [ __ ] and allowing things to develop
344:32 allowing things to develop >> for the spiteful little creatures inside
344:34 >> for the spiteful little creatures inside all of our hearts. They're doing that to
344:35 all of our hearts. They're doing that to themselves. You don't have to ask for
344:37 themselves. You don't have to ask for that. They are not vaccinating
344:38 that. They are not vaccinating themselves right now. So,
344:40 themselves right now. So, >> I don't have to make you drink raw milk
344:42 >> I don't have to make you drink raw milk to teach you what tuberculosis is. You
344:44 to teach you what tuberculosis is. You do it yourself. Anyway, we're here.
344:45 do it yourself. Anyway, we're here. >> They'll figure it out. They're going to
344:46 >> They'll figure it out. They're going to figure it out one way or another. We got
344:49 figure it out one way or another. We got Hold on. Let me zoom in here to my micro
344:51 Hold on. Let me zoom in here to my micro text. Joshua Everett 9887 for $5.
344:55 text. Joshua Everett 9887 for $5. Stevie, but nuh-uh.
344:58 Stevie, but nuh-uh. Stevie Stevie had some arguments to
345:01 Stevie Stevie had some arguments to make, but we did come back at some of
345:04 make, but we did come back at some of them. I I will say we we we hit we hit
345:06 them. I I will say we we we hit we hit back at him. So,
345:09 back at him. So, uh let's talk about uh by the way,
345:12 uh let's talk about uh by the way, somebody put in the chat earlier on uh I
345:14 somebody put in the chat earlier on uh I wrote it down. Before there was light,
345:16 wrote it down. Before there was light, there was the void and the waters and
345:18 there was the void and the waters and them. And them was in quotations. That
345:21 them. And them was in quotations. That is a hell of a line. And if that's from
345:24 is a hell of a line. And if that's from something, I want to know because if
345:25 something, I want to know because if it's not, I want to use it for
345:26 it's not, I want to use it for something. Uh where the super chats go?
345:30 something. Uh where the super chats go? >> Where's the super chat? I don't know.
345:31 >> Where's the super chat? I don't know. They just
345:33 They just >> 20 uh euros from Duke of Shotska. Um
345:39 >> 20 uh euros from Duke of Shotska. Um great stuff. Erica is exceedingly
345:41 great stuff. Erica is exceedingly brilliant and Forest got nice hair.
345:42 brilliant and Forest got nice hair. That's all I have going on for me. Kudos
345:44 That's all I have going on for me. Kudos to pronouncing Megalamania. Hell yeah.
345:47 to pronouncing Megalamania. Hell yeah. >> Don't for Don't forget so strong. Don't
345:50 >> Don't for Don't forget so strong. Don't forget brilliant and so strong. I I I
345:52 forget brilliant and so strong. I I I remember everybody I passed the I am I'm
345:55 remember everybody I passed the I am I'm farmer strong and I'd like to remind my
345:58 farmer strong and I'd like to remind my husband that whenever he
345:59 husband that whenever he >> whenever he's got one coming to him. I
346:02 >> whenever he's got one coming to him. I got to remind him that he's messing with
346:03 got to remind him that he's messing with someone who's farmer strong over here.
346:05 someone who's farmer strong over here. This is a noogie, not a a fist for
346:08 This is a noogie, not a a fist for domestic violence. Just let everybody
346:09 domestic violence. Just let everybody know. I would never. $10 from Epic 9863
346:15 know. I would never. $10 from Epic 9863 433 by John Cage contains no notes.
346:19 433 by John Cage contains no notes. This is a response to Stevie talking
346:22 This is a response to Stevie talking about the universal language of music. I
346:25 about the universal language of music. I didn't know that.
346:27 didn't know that. >> There you go. Uh 10 Canadian dollars
346:30 >> There you go. Uh 10 Canadian dollars from Miz Crocodile. Um just the freaking
346:34 from Miz Crocodile. Um just the freaking best duo. I won't even make a pun here
346:37 best duo. I won't even make a pun here because I'm just so happy with the level
346:39 because I'm just so happy with the level of nerder.
346:41 of nerder. And then it went away. That there's a
346:43 And then it went away. That there's a dot dot. There's ellipsies there. So I'm
346:45 dot dot. There's ellipsies there. So I'm wondering if that's if that means that
346:47 wondering if that's if that means that there was more to that or not. There was
346:49 there was more to that or not. There was no problem.
346:49 no problem. >> There's probably
346:51 >> There's probably >> there's probably some
346:52 >> there's probably some >> nerd stuff going on here. I don't know.
346:54 >> nerd stuff going on here. I don't know. Like, can we give can we give Miss
346:56 Like, can we give can we give Miss Crocodile like a cool science fact maybe
346:59 Crocodile like a cool science fact maybe to to satiate that super chat or do you
347:02 to to satiate that super chat or do you think we do you think we hold those
347:03 think we do you think we hold those back? Do you think we hoard those?
347:06 back? Do you think we hoard those? Ice fish live in super saline water that
347:10 Ice fish live in super saline water that is below the freezing point of normal
347:12 is below the freezing point of normal water and have evolved blood that does
347:15 water and have evolved blood that does not have red blood cells in it because
347:17 not have red blood cells in it because that would make their blood too thick
347:19 that would make their blood too thick and viscous to function. They have also
347:21 and viscous to function. They have also evolved proteins that act as antifreeze.
347:24 evolved proteins that act as antifreeze. So, they have blood that will not freeze
347:27 So, they have blood that will not freeze and doesn't use the same red blood cells
347:29 and doesn't use the same red blood cells as literally like mo I wouldn't say
347:32 as literally like mo I wouldn't say every other like lots of other things,
347:34 every other like lots of other things, most other fish and [ __ ] Really cool.
347:38 most other fish and [ __ ] Really cool. >> It is very cool. It's also an excellent
347:40 >> It is very cool. It's also an excellent example of a of a new function, a new
347:42 example of a of a new function, a new mutation that's beneficial evolving
347:43 mutation that's beneficial evolving denovo. It's very cool. Mine is tars
347:47 denovo. It's very cool. Mine is tars cannot move their eyes inside their
347:49 cannot move their eyes inside their orbit. So, they must rotate their whole
347:51 orbit. So, they must rotate their whole head much like an owl does.
347:53 head much like an owl does. >> It's cute. And if you look at their
347:54 >> It's cute. And if you look at their little skulls, their orbits are so
347:56 little skulls, their orbits are so shallow. They look like if you smacked
347:58 shallow. They look like if you smacked them on the back of the head, their
347:59 them on the back of the head, their little
348:00 little >> eyeballs would pop out.
348:01 >> eyeballs would pop out. >> $20.
348:02 >> $20. >> I saw you with your squeezy thing and I
348:03 >> I saw you with your squeezy thing and I got jealous. I am also squeezing a thing
348:05 got jealous. I am also squeezing a thing because it feels nice.
348:07 because it feels nice. >> No, the reason I'm doing it is because I
348:09 >> No, the reason I'm doing it is because I was doing these, as everybody knows, I'm
348:11 was doing these, as everybody knows, I'm a total gym rat. I'm going to the gym
348:13 a total gym rat. I'm going to the gym every day. Of course, not every day, but
348:15 every day. Of course, not every day, but I try to go to the gym a lot. And I've
348:17 I try to go to the gym a lot. And I've been doing these like forearm workout
348:19 been doing these like forearm workout lifty things for like the past year. and
348:22 lifty things for like the past year. and I I do my forearm less with like 15 or
348:24 I I do my forearm less with like 15 or 20 pounds and I've noticed that I
348:26 20 pounds and I've noticed that I haven't been getting the gains that I
348:27 haven't been getting the gains that I want in my forearms. And so one of my
348:29 want in my forearms. And so one of my gym friends that I see him oftentimes at
348:31 gym friends that I see him oftentimes at gym and we like give each other tips and
348:34 gym and we like give each other tips and stuff like that and he was like hey he's
348:36 stuff like that and he was like hey he's like what you should just do is get one
348:38 like what you should just do is get one of those squeezy things. And I was like
348:39 of those squeezy things. And I was like I have one. He was like well put it put
348:41 I have one. He was like well put it put it on your desk and then just absolutely
348:43 it on your desk and then just absolutely whenever you want to do something with
348:44 whenever you want to do something with your hands that you'd normally be
348:45 your hands that you'd normally be fidgeting play with the squeezy and he
348:48 fidgeting play with the squeezy and he was like just max it out. I got one of
348:50 was like just max it out. I got one of those ones that has like the rotatable
348:52 those ones that has like the rotatable thing. He was like, "Max the spring out
348:53 thing. He was like, "Max the spring out and then do the squeezy whenever you
348:55 and then do the squeezy whenever you need." I mean, he's not saying do the
348:57 need." I mean, he's not saying do the squeezy. I'm That's what I'm saying. But
348:59 squeezy. I'm That's what I'm saying. But I I've noticed a difference. My forearms
349:01 I I've noticed a difference. My forearms are sore more often. So anyways, that's
349:03 are sore more often. So anyways, that's that's why I'm doing it.
349:05 that's why I'm doing it. >> Learn from Thor's Darwin. Apple trees
349:07 >> Learn from Thor's Darwin. Apple trees don't naturally grow in roll rows. They
349:09 don't naturally grow in roll rows. They are orchard straighted.
349:12 are orchard straighted. >> Orchard like orchestrated. I get it.
349:15 >> Orchard like orchestrated. I get it. Wow, that's so funny. I can't wait to
349:17 Wow, that's so funny. I can't wait to use my new forearm strength to strangle
349:19 use my new forearm strength to strangle the life out of you. I will watch as the
349:21 the life out of you. I will watch as the light leaves your eyes.
349:26 >> This is what I'm doing >> from Jamnit Goat6. Here's $5 to make Lux
349:30 >> from Jamnit Goat6. Here's $5 to make Lux regret its decision. #teamvoidkitty.
349:34 regret its decision. #teamvoidkitty. I don't know what that last part is.
349:36 I don't know what that last part is. >> I have a cat and he is a black cat and
349:39 >> I have a cat and he is a black cat and he weighs like 20 pounds. So, he's a
349:41 he weighs like 20 pounds. So, he's a large void boy.
349:43 large void boy. >> Wild,
349:43 >> Wild, >> huh? That's so cute. Is does he have
349:45 >> huh? That's so cute. Is does he have long hair or short hair?
349:47 long hair or short hair? >> He's like a normal short domestic.
349:50 >> He's like a normal short domestic. >> So sleek. 10 Canadian dollars from David
349:54 >> So sleek. 10 Canadian dollars from David Hacksaw. #teamlux. Best producer. Are
349:57 Hacksaw. #teamlux. Best producer. Are you guys having a producer war about who
349:59 you guys having a producer war about who the best producer is?
350:00 the best producer is? >> I I actually put in the chat a poll that
350:02 >> I I actually put in the chat a poll that was like #team Erica team forest teamlux
350:06 was like #team Erica team forest teamlux just I don't know for fun. Uh and a
350:08 just I don't know for fun. Uh and a hashteam lux won at 42%. So
350:12 hashteam lux won at 42%. So >> that is I I need you guys to know that's
350:14 >> that is I I need you guys to know that's so messed up. That is so messed up. All
350:17 so messed up. That is so messed up. All of you.
350:18 of you. >> Straight to the hole. The hole is not
350:21 >> Straight to the hole. The hole is not pleasant. It's not one of those kinds.
350:23 pleasant. It's not one of those kinds. It's the bad kind. Oh, wait. This is
350:25 It's the bad kind. Oh, wait. This is you.
350:27 you. >> You got to be careful, y'all. Nobody
350:29 >> You got to be careful, y'all. Nobody wants Erica's unpleasant hole. Um it's a
350:32 wants Erica's unpleasant hole. Um it's a 15 Canadian dollars from beer 442.
350:35 15 Canadian dollars from beer 442. >> Not true, unfortunately.
350:37 >> Not true, unfortunately. But what we aren't But why aren't we
350:40 But what we aren't But why aren't we looking at the banans? Exactly.
350:48 >> I don't get that one. What about the bananas?
350:53 >> I think it was in response to you bringing up genetic similarities and uh
350:55 bringing up genetic similarities and uh the person we're on the phone with whose
350:56 the person we're on the phone with whose name escapes me said something about
350:58 name escapes me said something about like, "Yeah, but bananas have BNA."
351:00 like, "Yeah, but bananas have BNA." >> Oh, that's so Yeah, that's so true.
351:01 >> Oh, that's so Yeah, that's so true. Also, th this has been pissing me off.
351:03 Also, th this has been pissing me off. I've been saying this for a long time.
351:05 I've been saying this for a long time. Humans are not 50% banana. Stop
351:07 Humans are not 50% banana. Stop perpetuating that myth and when other
351:08 perpetuating that myth and when other people say it, tell them that is not
351:10 people say it, tell them that is not true and then direct them to the website
351:12 true and then direct them to the website of the scientist who I I linked to her
351:15 of the scientist who I I linked to her website in in my um video on the
351:17 website in in my um video on the subject, but she just like did the work
351:18 subject, but she just like did the work for that. She was like, I'm sick of
351:20 for that. She was like, I'm sick of seeing this. Are humans 50% banana? No,
351:22 seeing this. Are humans 50% banana? No, we're not. $10 or sorry, €10
351:25 we're not. $10 or sorry, €10 from Denny, evidence for a stupid
351:28 from Denny, evidence for a stupid designer, the Vegas nerve, evidence for
351:29 designer, the Vegas nerve, evidence for an intelligent designer. None. RHFD and
351:34 an intelligent designer. None. RHFD and always feed. There's a lot of like
351:37 always feed. There's a lot of like feeding them scary Eldrich monster
351:41 feeding them scary Eldrich monster suggestions in the chat tonight. Do you
351:43 suggestions in the chat tonight. Do you guys know something? I don't Are we
351:44 guys know something? I don't Are we trying to summon something tonight?
351:47 trying to summon something tonight? >> Really? Hit Fragalong.
351:55 >> This is what I'm going to do. Your face forest if you keep saying [ __ ] like
351:56 forest if you keep saying [ __ ] like that. I guess that one didn't have a
351:58 that. I guess that one didn't have a high. You can't just put acronyms and
352:01 high. You can't just put acronyms and then I'm going to read what the acronyms
352:02 then I'm going to read what the acronyms are. I don't know what you want from me.
352:06 are. I don't know what you want from me. >> Ignore them like a normal person.
352:08 >> Ignore them like a normal person. >> I'll talk about high any day of the
352:10 >> I'll talk about high any day of the week.
352:10 week. >> Try it.
352:11 >> Try it. >> Any day.
352:12 >> Any day. >> This is This is
352:13 >> This is This is >> I'm doing this to your brain squeezing
352:16 >> I'm doing this to your brain squeezing it into chunks.
352:17 it into chunks. >> Try it.
352:17 >> Try it. >> [ __ ] sit here. We We'll have a bor
352:20 >> [ __ ] sit here. We We'll have a bor off your side. Who discusses more?
352:23 off your side. Who discusses more? >> I [ __ ] $5 from the negative comment. Uh,
352:28 >> I [ __ ] $5 from the negative comment. Uh, Al didn't see what is going on. But
352:31 Al didn't see what is going on. But bananas have DNA. Okie dokie. Bananas
352:34 bananas have DNA. Okie dokie. Bananas have bananas have BNA. Banana nucleic
352:38 have bananas have BNA. Banana nucleic acid. I don't know. It's that that was
352:42 acid. I don't know. It's that that was that did suck. It did suck.
352:47 that did suck. It did suck. How many bananas? That's so funny.
352:52 >> Is this me? >> What is this? What?
352:53 >> What is this? What? >> $10 from Ashley 6590. Steviey's banana
352:56 >> $10 from Ashley 6590. Steviey's banana DNA crap reminded me the silly Christian
352:58 DNA crap reminded me the silly Christian Welsh guy that calls in and last said
353:00 Welsh guy that calls in and last said how many bananas?
353:02 how many bananas? How many bananas? How many of them
353:04 How many bananas? How many of them actually are they all Cavendish? Who's
353:07 actually are they all Cavendish? Who's to say?
353:10 to say? >> And this is the thing that even I don't
353:11 >> And this is the thing that even I don't I don't know what's going on with that.
353:12 I don't know what's going on with that. Do we have a Welsh dude talking about
353:14 Do we have a Welsh dude talking about bananas? What's happening?
353:16 bananas? What's happening? >> Whatever. I don't know. the if you say
353:20 >> Whatever. I don't know. the if you say say anything and a caller has called in
353:22 say anything and a caller has called in and argued for it on somebody's show
353:24 and argued for it on somebody's show somewhere.
353:26 somewhere. >> Uh 10 fake dollars from peri42.
353:30 >> Uh 10 fake dollars from peri42. Uh could you speak to the theory that
353:31 Uh could you speak to the theory that the platypus is the closest we have to
353:33 the platypus is the closest we have to the physical manifestation of the monad
353:35 the physical manifestation of the monad I'm assuming is what that's supposed to
353:37 I'm assuming is what that's supposed to be saying there.
353:38 be saying there. >> Got to be the monad.
353:40 >> Got to be the monad. >> God bless.
353:40 >> God bless. >> And that's not a theory. That is a fact.
353:43 >> And that's not a theory. That is a fact. >> I was thinking that our last caller that
353:45 >> I was thinking that our last caller that that had serious potential of
353:46 that had serious potential of culminating in the monad. I really was
353:48 culminating in the monad. I really was thinking like, you know, the question
353:50 thinking like, you know, the question was like, are we looking at bongrepre
353:51 was like, are we looking at bongrepre theology here? And like I do think that
353:54 theology here? And like I do think that we were approaching asmmptoically the
353:57 we were approaching asmmptoically the monad with that conversation. We really
353:59 monad with that conversation. We really could have cracked something open there.
354:01 could have cracked something open there. $5 from Dustin Alexander 3742
354:04 $5 from Dustin Alexander 3742 Deconstructing Christian here. Forest, I
354:05 Deconstructing Christian here. Forest, I see your Bible in your videos with so
354:08 see your Bible in your videos with so many highlights. What
354:09 many highlights. What >> I don't know why it's doing this. I'll
354:11 >> I don't know why it's doing this. I'll finish reading it, I guess. It says,
354:12 finish reading it, I guess. It says, "What do they mean? And do you have any
354:14 "What do they mean? And do you have any study tips?"
354:16 study tips?" Um,
354:17 Um, >> forestible study guy.
354:19 >> forestible study guy. >> Yeah, dude. Uh, pink is for just like
354:23 >> Yeah, dude. Uh, pink is for just like general notes and it it's mainly for
354:26 general notes and it it's mainly for absurdities, but also anytime that I
354:28 absurdities, but also anytime that I really want to draw attention to
354:29 really want to draw attention to something. Um, blue is for important
354:31 something. Um, blue is for important events or things that I agree with.
354:34 events or things that I agree with. Yellow is for when specifically the
354:36 Yellow is for when specifically the character of God is being an [ __ ]
354:39 character of God is being an [ __ ] Um, and then I write notes in the
354:41 Um, and then I write notes in the margins as well. So, you can see all my
354:43 margins as well. So, you can see all my margins have lots of little notes and
354:45 margins have lots of little notes and written. I don't know. That's pretty
354:46 written. I don't know. That's pretty bright. But yeah, that's that's what
354:48 bright. But yeah, that's that's what that's all about. So like for example,
354:49 that's all about. So like for example, like here in in chapter 3 of Genesis,
354:52 like here in in chapter 3 of Genesis, what I've opened to um I've got the
354:54 what I've opened to um I've got the number three highlighted because some
354:56 number three highlighted because some important [ __ ] happens in this chapter.
354:57 important [ __ ] happens in this chapter. I've got the serpent highlighted because
354:59 I've got the serpent highlighted because that's a major character. Um and those
355:01 that's a major character. Um and those are both in blue. Um then in pink, I've
355:05 are both in blue. Um then in pink, I've got what the serpent says and I've got
355:08 got what the serpent says and I've got notes in the margins talking about like
355:10 notes in the margins talking about like with a reference number of the thing and
355:11 with a reference number of the thing and then what it is. Um, and then over here
355:13 then what it is. Um, and then over here in yellow, I've got where God says that
355:16 in yellow, I've got where God says that he will uh uh upon the woman, I will
355:19 he will uh uh upon the woman, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow at thy
355:21 greatly multiply thy sorrow at thy conception, and sorrow you shall bring
355:22 conception, and sorrow you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be to
355:24 forth children. Your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall rule over
355:25 your husband, and he shall rule over thee. That's all just God being a [ __ ]
355:28 thee. That's all just God being a [ __ ] And so, like, those are the three colors
355:30 And so, like, those are the three colors that I use. Um, as far as study guides
355:32 that I use. Um, as far as study guides are concerned, find people to to help
355:35 are concerned, find people to to help you along with it and and look up what
355:37 you along with it and and look up what Bible scholars say as well to fill in
355:39 Bible scholars say as well to fill in the gaps. I used Hannah and Jake for a
355:41 the gaps. I used Hannah and Jake for a long time. time. I thought they were
355:42 long time. time. I thought they were really fun to to get into it. But then I
355:44 really fun to to get into it. But then I also look at what other Bible scholars
355:46 also look at what other Bible scholars are real Bible scholars on on TikTok and
355:49 are real Bible scholars on on TikTok and whatnot that I know a few what they're
355:50 whatnot that I know a few what they're talking about. There was one recently
355:52 talking about. There was one recently that I was really interested in that um
355:55 that I was really interested in that um have it saved right here.
355:58 have it saved right here. Uh in 2 Samuel 24:1
356:03 Uh in 2 Samuel 24:1 again the anger of the uh sorry again
356:06 again the anger of the uh sorry again the anger of the Lord was kindled
356:08 the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel. He incited David against
356:10 against Israel. He incited David against them saying go count the people of
356:12 them saying go count the people of Israel and Judah. So in this situation
356:15 Israel and Judah. So in this situation God tells David to go count the people
356:17 God tells David to go count the people and then later on in the chap in the the
356:20 and then later on in the chap in the the same book punishes him for doing that
356:22 same book punishes him for doing that and that's weird right and then you have
356:25 and that's weird right and then you have first Chronicles which is a later a
356:28 first Chronicles which is a later a later edition that is retelling this
356:30 later edition that is retelling this story. Um, in 1st Chronicles 21:1,
356:34 story. Um, in 1st Chronicles 21:1, Satan stood against Israel and incited
356:37 Satan stood against Israel and incited David to count the people of Israel. And
356:39 David to count the people of Israel. And then when God punishes David later in
356:42 then when God punishes David later in the chapter, because it's telling the
356:43 the chapter, because it's telling the same story, it makes sense. He listened
356:45 same story, it makes sense. He listened to Satan and did what Satan told him to
356:47 to Satan and did what Satan told him to do. And so, it's really [ __ ]
356:48 do. And so, it's really [ __ ] interesting this difference between the
356:50 interesting this difference between the old story that's self-contradictory and
356:52 old story that's self-contradictory and doesn't make a lot of sense. And maybe
356:53 doesn't make a lot of sense. And maybe it's a translation error. Who knows
356:54 it's a translation error. Who knows what's going on? And then the new
356:56 what's going on? And then the new retelling where the authors of the Bible
356:58 retelling where the authors of the Bible are reconciling with the Bible being
357:00 are reconciling with the Bible being wrong and making it more consistent in
357:03 wrong and making it more consistent in in narrative. Kind of cool.
357:05 in narrative. Kind of cool. >> That rasly adversary always causing
357:08 >> That rasly adversary always causing problems.
357:10 problems. >> Yeah, dude.
357:11 >> Yeah, dude. >> This was you though.
357:14 >> This was you though. >> $5 from Dustin Alexander. Uh I love you
357:19 >> $5 from Dustin Alexander. Uh I love you both. Both of you have been foundational
357:20 both. Both of you have been foundational to helping me deconstruct and let go of
357:22 to helping me deconstruct and let go of everything I've been taught that's just
357:24 everything I've been taught that's just wrong. I am honored to be a part of your
357:26 wrong. I am honored to be a part of your journey. Congratulations to you on your
357:28 journey. Congratulations to you on your freedom.
357:30 freedom. >> Science rocks it. Never be afraid of it.
357:32 >> Science rocks it. Never be afraid of it. Never be afraid of the truth and what
357:34 Never be afraid of the truth and what you can learn. It always makes things
357:36 you can learn. It always makes things better. It's always better to be less
357:37 better. It's always better to be less ignorant. We got $10 from Iric Sinclair
357:42 ignorant. We got $10 from Iric Sinclair 5986.
357:44 5986. Evolution driven by alphas male and
357:46 Evolution driven by alphas male and female. Behavior consistent. It is it
357:49 female. Behavior consistent. It is it can be predicted. Theists point to
357:50 can be predicted. Theists point to alpha's actions as creation. Science
357:52 alpha's actions as creation. Science points to behavior pattern as mechanism.
357:54 points to behavior pattern as mechanism. Can this end dispute? Um unfortunately
357:57 Can this end dispute? Um unfortunately the funny thing about creationism is
357:59 the funny thing about creationism is that anything that science says that
358:02 that anything that science says that violates creationism or is problematic
358:04 violates creationism or is problematic to it they can weasel out of and
358:06 to it they can weasel out of and oftentimes they'll point to something
358:07 oftentimes they'll point to something like the fall. So they'll they'll be
358:09 like the fall. So they'll they'll be like female alphas that's the fall.
358:11 like female alphas that's the fall. Women leaders that's the fall. Or like
358:14 Women leaders that's the fall. Or like well I I shouldn't miscar most
358:16 well I I shouldn't miscar most Christians. Well, a lot of Christians
358:18 Christians. Well, a lot of Christians are not like that, but I do recall a one
358:21 are not like that, but I do recall a one Doug Wilson, probably my least favorite
358:24 Doug Wilson, probably my least favorite Christian, who is alive right now, and
358:26 Christian, who is alive right now, and that's really saying something. He um he
358:29 that's really saying something. He um he made Yeah, he made an argument that um
358:31 made Yeah, he made an argument that um women should never be in the military or
358:34 women should never be in the military or in any position of power over a man,
358:36 in any position of power over a man, period. And then when people were like,
358:39 period. And then when people were like, >> "That's weird. What about Esther?" He
358:42 >> "That's weird. What about Esther?" He was like, "That's different. Sometimes
358:46 was like, "That's different. Sometimes it's okay, but only when God sanctions
358:47 it's okay, but only when God sanctions it. And then when you're like, "But how
358:48 it. And then when you're like, "But how do you know when God sanctions it?" He's
358:50 do you know when God sanctions it?" He's like, "I
358:52 like, "I hate dumb."
358:53 hate dumb." >> Funny enough, that's the exact argument
358:54 >> Funny enough, that's the exact argument they make for slavery, too. So, here we
358:56 they make for slavery, too. So, here we are. Like,
358:58 are. Like, >> it's funny how that works, but not haha
359:00 >> it's funny how that works, but not haha funny.
359:02 funny. Just a little funny.
359:05 Just a little funny. This one's you, though.
359:07 This one's you, though. >> Is it? Uh, five pounds from Sean Loves
359:10 >> Is it? Uh, five pounds from Sean Loves Maths. Any natural number of the form 2
359:13 Maths. Any natural number of the form 2 a + 2 has a prime factor of the form 3b
359:17 a + 2 has a prime factor of the form 3b + 1. Also, please search is word final
359:19 + 1. Also, please search is word final stretch of PhD. I'm raising money. We're
359:21 stretch of PhD. I'm raising money. We're right on.
359:23 right on. >> Let's go.
359:25 >> Let's go. Let's go. Math. Let's go.
359:28 Let's go. Math. Let's go. >> Did you discover a new number or
359:29 >> Did you discover a new number or something? What's your PhD about? Huh?
359:32 something? What's your PhD about? Huh? >> Yeah.
359:33 >> Yeah. >> I thought we had all the numbers
359:34 >> I thought we had all the numbers already. What's the point of math PhD?
359:36 already. What's the point of math PhD? It's okay. I hear the same thing. That
359:38 It's okay. I hear the same thing. That was from Punk. Uh, just goes to show
359:40 was from Punk. Uh, just goes to show that even with contraception, you can
359:41 that even with contraception, you can always end up with a surprised kid. I
359:43 always end up with a surprised kid. I get the joke because I because I was hit
359:45 get the joke because I because I was hit by a ram. It was a ram, not a sheep. Are
359:48 by a ram. It was a ram, not a sheep. Are are sheep babies called kids?
359:52 are sheep babies called kids? >> I don't know. But I Well, I had a goat
359:54 >> I don't know. But I Well, I had a goat and that is a kid. I think that's what
359:55 and that is a kid. I think that's what they were talking about.
359:57 they were talking about. >> That could have been Yeah, that could
359:58 >> That could have been Yeah, that could have been
359:59 have been >> That could have been it. That could have
360:01 >> That could have been it. That could have been it. I bet that was it. Well, I bet
360:02 been it. I bet that was it. Well, I bet that's what it was.
360:04 that's what it was. >> It's almost time for me to go heat up
360:05 >> It's almost time for me to go heat up some chili. I think I think
360:08 some chili. I think I think >> think a baby sheep is a as a lamb, not a
360:10 >> think a baby sheep is a as a lamb, not a kid.
360:13 kid. >> Oh, you think
360:15 >> Oh, you think >> that's crazy. You think you think a baby
360:16 >> that's crazy. You think you think a baby sheep? Nah, that's nah, that sounds like
360:18 sheep? Nah, that's nah, that sounds like a fake word. That doesn't sound
360:20 a fake word. That doesn't sound >> I'm just throwing it out there. Just
360:21 >> I'm just throwing it out there. Just throwing it out there as a suggestion.
360:22 throwing it out there as a suggestion. >> No, no way. Nah, that's that's fake.
360:25 >> No, no way. Nah, that's that's fake. >> We're making up words.
360:27 >> We're making up words. >> Smash that like button if you think
360:28 >> Smash that like button if you think lambs exist. $10 from Eric Sinclair. Um,
360:33 lambs exist. $10 from Eric Sinclair. Um, love the post. Religion of Thor versus
360:35 love the post. Religion of Thor versus natural selection is creation versus
360:38 natural selection is creation versus natural uh mechanism. It can't be taught
360:40 natural uh mechanism. It can't be taught in schools. America 20 1274 BCE to 971
360:46 in schools. America 20 1274 BCE to 971 CE. I adjusted for you. Um Ragnarok a G.
360:51 CE. I adjusted for you. Um Ragnarok a G. What are these dates? What's happening
360:53 What are these dates? What's happening with this?
360:59 Hold on. Sorry. I was saying something. Um, we
361:03 Sorry. I was saying something. Um, we got $10 from a listen to win. I think
361:04 got $10 from a listen to win. I think it's a little weird that two people as
361:06 it's a little weird that two people as white and nerdy as you two. First of
361:08 white and nerdy as you two. First of all, how dare you? Didn't say anything
361:11 all, how dare you? Didn't say anything about what famed architect Alfred
361:14 about what famed architect Alfred Matthew Yanovic is best known for.
361:16 Matthew Yanovic is best known for. Weird.
361:18 Weird. By the way, Calpaly SLO Sam Lewis
361:22 By the way, Calpaly SLO Sam Lewis Obby. I like Weird Al. I think Weird Al
361:25 Obby. I like Weird Al. I think Weird Al is cool and he is he is both white and
361:27 is cool and he is he is both white and nerdy. And that is also a fair
361:29 nerdy. And that is also a fair descriptor of myself in Delta Forest.
361:31 descriptor of myself in Delta Forest. So,
361:32 So, >> it's okay. Know thyself. That's the
361:34 >> it's okay. Know thyself. That's the first step.
361:40 >> I'm nerdy, but I don't know. I don't know about the rest.
361:46 >> Ouch. He's getting out of zit on my ear. Okay,
361:48 He's getting out of zit on my ear. Okay, your turn.
361:51 your turn. >> Uh 5. What is this stream? uh 5 from uh
361:58 >> Uh 5. What is this stream? uh 5 from uh Das Lenny uh just for funsies using the
362:01 Das Lenny uh just for funsies using the D&D alignment chart. What are the
362:03 D&D alignment chart. What are the alignments of Yahweh, Jesus, and
362:05 alignments of Yahweh, Jesus, and Lucifer? Um Yahweh is chaotic evil.
362:08 Lucifer? Um Yahweh is chaotic evil. Jesus is
362:11 Jesus is uh chaotic neutral. Um and Lucifer is
362:18 uh chaotic neutral. Um and Lucifer is chaotic
362:23 something. Maybe chaotic neutral. I don't
362:24 don't I'm going to I'm going to actually go
362:26 I'm going to I'm going to actually go with I'm going to go with lawful
362:29 with I'm going to go with lawful neutral for Lucifer because he does seem
362:31 neutral for Lucifer because he does seem to follow codes of conduct. Like he
362:34 to follow codes of conduct. Like he doesn't seem to act outside. Well, I
362:36 doesn't seem to act outside. Well, I guess the rebellion would be an act
362:37 guess the rebellion would be an act outside of maybe maybe lawful neutral.
362:39 outside of maybe maybe lawful neutral. And I'm going to go with neutral good
362:41 And I'm going to go with neutral good for Jesus. Actually, I think most of
362:43 for Jesus. Actually, I think most of what he says is pretty chill. Most not
362:46 what he says is pretty chill. Most not all,
362:46 all, >> right? I'm okay. Mo most of it. Sure.
362:48 >> right? I'm okay. Mo most of it. Sure. Uh, but [ __ ] you're talking tell me
362:50 Uh, but [ __ ] you're talking tell me I'm white. I got a a Tik Tok video came
362:53 I'm white. I got a a Tik Tok video came up on my for you page recently that was
362:55 up on my for you page recently that was just it had no hashtags and it was like
362:56 just it had no hashtags and it was like if you're seeing this Tik Tok wants you
362:58 if you're seeing this Tik Tok wants you to know you're black. This is a video
363:00 to know you're black. This is a video for black and I was like I put the
363:02 for black and I was like I put the comments I was like needless to say I am
363:04 comments I was like needless to say I am ecstatic over this development.
363:07 ecstatic over this development. >> You were like
363:09 >> You were like wow moving on up.
363:12 wow moving on up. $5 from the negative comment. Tater TNC
363:16 $5 from the negative comment. Tater TNC forced hit the nail on the head before
363:18 forced hit the nail on the head before time is a nonsense statement. It doesn't
363:20 time is a nonsense statement. It doesn't logically follow. I'm so glad that there
363:22 logically follow. I'm so glad that there are people who do physics and logic that
363:23 are people who do physics and logic that aren't me because most of what I do when
363:26 aren't me because most of what I do when I confronted by that. All right, hold
363:27 I confronted by that. All right, hold on. I got to mute myself. My dogs are
363:29 on. I got to mute myself. My dogs are going [ __ ] crazy. You got to read
363:31 going [ __ ] crazy. You got to read this.
363:32 this. >> All right. $10 from Eric Sinclair. uh
363:37 >> All right. $10 from Eric Sinclair. uh 5986
363:39 5986 uh Arcadiathecus
363:41 uh Arcadiathecus mixed with progenitor man the one so
363:44 mixed with progenitor man the one so Gaia mixed with the wanderer creating
363:47 Gaia mixed with the wanderer creating homo sapien is that creation or
363:49 homo sapien is that creation or mechanism Zeus organized Hela's and
363:53 mechanism Zeus organized Hela's and Anatolia uh to repeat the process isn't
363:56 Anatolia uh to repeat the process isn't that creation yeah all of these things
363:58 that creation yeah all of these things are creation at the end of the day
363:59 are creation at the end of the day aren't they
364:03 aren't they but like you have
364:04 but like you have >> I'm not even going to comment on that
364:06 >> I'm not even going to comment on that >> you have to show them. You have to
364:07 >> you have to show them. You have to indicate that they happened.
364:15 >> 1086. Why is it 1086 so often? From Cory Springer. I once answered a Craigslist
364:17 Springer. I once answered a Craigslist Craigslist ad that said, "Free Goose.
364:19 Craigslist ad that said, "Free Goose. Answers to Oliver. I had Oliver for 14
364:21 Answers to Oliver. I had Oliver for 14 years and he was one of the best pets I
364:22 years and he was one of the best pets I ever had." A cute goose.
364:26 ever had." A cute goose. >> Geese are great. Uh 20 Canadian dollars
364:30 >> Geese are great. Uh 20 Canadian dollars from Kikert. Y'all are rad. Here's some
364:33 from Kikert. Y'all are rad. Here's some money. Thank you very much. It's very
364:34 money. Thank you very much. It's very kind of you.
364:36 kind of you. Woohoo!
364:38 Woohoo! $10 from Elizabeth Chris 7830.
364:42 $10 from Elizabeth Chris 7830. Thank you for showing the doggy. I'm
364:44 Thank you for showing the doggy. I'm about to bring another doggy in here,
364:46 about to bring another doggy in here, but she's kind of in trouble for
364:47 but she's kind of in trouble for literally screaming for the past two
364:49 literally screaming for the past two minutes to yell at her. She's outside
364:52 minutes to yell at her. She's outside the door right now. I don't know where
364:53 the door right now. I don't know where the third one is. She's also around here
364:55 the third one is. She's also around here somewhere.
364:56 somewhere. >> From Do Lenny, uh, James shouldn't draw
364:59 >> From Do Lenny, uh, James shouldn't draw a line. It's not a good idea to mix
365:02 a line. It's not a good idea to mix drugs.
365:08 I'm not commenting on that. There were again we were talking about a bong
365:10 again we were talking about a bong theology which kind of Yeah. 999 from
365:13 theology which kind of Yeah. 999 from Jeff Mason.
365:15 Jeff Mason. >> High five. Thank you.
365:17 >> High five. Thank you. >> [ __ ] yeah. Thank you very much.
365:20 >> [ __ ] yeah. Thank you very much. >> New Mexico man.
365:28 >> Uh 10 New Zealandish dollars from Mountain Eucalyptus. Uh I miss my shot
365:31 Mountain Eucalyptus. Uh I miss my shot for callin. How do I get better at
365:33 for callin. How do I get better at thinking? I've got a mix of stubborn,
365:35 thinking? I've got a mix of stubborn, gullible, uh, when I'm here or in church
365:38 gullible, uh, when I'm here or in church listening to clever people say clever
365:40 listening to clever people say clever words. Oh, that sounds right. And then
365:42 words. Oh, that sounds right. And then there's more to it. Uh, but in between,
365:44 there's more to it. Uh, but in between, the only thing I can hear is the
365:46 the only thing I can hear is the coagulated memories of over two decades
365:48 coagulated memories of over two decades of clever words all saying the same
365:50 of clever words all saying the same generic Christian things that drowns out
365:53 generic Christian things that drowns out opposing ideas. Yeah. Just just start a
365:56 opposing ideas. Yeah. Just just start a I just say be active in your thinking.
365:58 I just say be active in your thinking. Just kind of like start asking qu get in
366:01 Just kind of like start asking qu get in a habit of asking yourself how do I know
366:03 a habit of asking yourself how do I know that? Do I know that? How can I know
366:05 that? Do I know that? How can I know anything? And just start probing
366:08 anything? And just start probing yourself and seeing like if you come to
366:11 yourself and seeing like if you come to silly conclusions or if if you have a
366:13 silly conclusions or if if you have a good reason to believe anything that you
366:14 good reason to believe anything that you believe and then if not start [ __ ]
366:16 believe and then if not start [ __ ] finding them. Um, I can tell you I did
366:18 finding them. Um, I can tell you I did that when I was coming out of like
366:19 that when I was coming out of like spiritual thinking. Just I would notice
366:22 spiritual thinking. Just I would notice I didn't even realize how many times I
366:24 I didn't even realize how many times I used words like God and [ __ ] in language
366:26 used words like God and [ __ ] in language and I didn't even realize how many times
366:27 and I didn't even realize how many times I gave deference to invisible forces and
366:30 I gave deference to invisible forces and and spirits and [ __ ] like that. And then
366:32 and spirits and [ __ ] like that. And then as soon as I started being more active
366:34 as soon as I started being more active in it and paying attention to it, it
366:36 in it and paying attention to it, it took some effort, but I was able to work
366:38 took some effort, but I was able to work my way out of it.
366:40 my way out of it. >> I I think coagulated memories go so
366:44 >> I I think coagulated memories go so hard. That's actually a crazy line.
366:46 hard. That's actually a crazy line. Stealing stealing stealing for a script
366:48 Stealing stealing stealing for a script later. $10 from Cardinal Chimp. Let's
366:50 later. $10 from Cardinal Chimp. Let's go. I took placeos every day for 5 years
366:53 go. I took placeos every day for 5 years and got diabetes. Yeah, I that's that's
366:57 and got diabetes. Yeah, I that's that's pretty wild to say that placeos are the
366:59 pretty wild to say that placeos are the greatest drug ever invented. I I'm going
367:01 greatest drug ever invented. I I'm going to press pressing X to
367:03 to press pressing X to >> the fact that he was flabbergasted that
367:05 >> the fact that he was flabbergasted that I would say no to that was wild.
367:07 I would say no to that was wild. >> I Yeah, he was like He was like, "What?
367:11 >> I Yeah, he was like He was like, "What? Really?"
367:12 Really?" >> Yeah.
367:12 >> Yeah. >> James,
367:13 >> James, >> what? James has not heard of a couple of
367:16 >> what? James has not heard of a couple of He's not a big pharmarmacology guy,
367:17 He's not a big pharmarmacology guy, needless to say.
367:19 needless to say. >> No,
367:21 >> No, this is me. Uh $10 from never had a bad
367:24 this is me. Uh $10 from never had a bad a day. Uh gross. When people say I don't
367:28 a day. Uh gross. When people say I don't do pronouns or whatever, uh we should
367:30 do pronouns or whatever, uh we should start referring to them by their
367:31 start referring to them by their adjectives like arrogant, dishonest,
367:33 adjectives like arrogant, dishonest, belligerent, annoying, cural, cruel,
367:35 belligerent, annoying, cural, cruel, indoctrinated, etc. That's very funny.
367:38 indoctrinated, etc. That's very funny. That's actually I think when people
367:40 That's actually I think when people refuse to give their pronouns that's
367:42 refuse to give their pronouns that's like that's like the most baby ass [ __ ]
367:44 like that's like the most baby ass [ __ ] I've ever heard of in my life. Like you
367:46 I've ever heard of in my life. Like you are you are you so fragile that you
367:48 are you are you so fragile that you can't be like yeah I use she him. Like
367:50 can't be like yeah I use she him. Like yeah I use she her. Get over yourself.
367:52 yeah I use she her. Get over yourself. No one cares. L plus ratio plus rip
367:55 No one cares. L plus ratio plus rip bozo. $10 from never had a bedet. And
367:58 bozo. $10 from never had a bedet. And those adjectives could evolve as the
367:59 those adjectives could evolve as the call evolves. Boom. Just proved
368:02 call evolves. Boom. Just proved evolution. Uhhuh. Never had a bedet. You
368:05 evolution. Uhhuh. Never had a bedet. You can't prove anything in science.
368:08 can't prove anything in science. Snippity snip.
368:08 Snippity snip. >> You've received a C for your super chat.
368:12 >> You've received a C for your super chat. >> Yeah, idiot.
368:13 >> Yeah, idiot. >> Okay, so we're about to do a transfer.
368:15 >> Okay, so we're about to do a transfer. You guys are not done with super chats.
368:17 You guys are not done with super chats. It's your guys' choice whether you start
368:18 It's your guys' choice whether you start doing those again when you when you
368:20 doing those again when you when you switch over, but Ardan is about to take
368:21 switch over, but Ardan is about to take over. So, there might be like a frozen
368:24 over. So, there might be like a frozen moment. You guys, the two of you are
368:26 moment. You guys, the two of you are going to have to click into her link and
368:28 going to have to click into her link and Colin Studio is going to refresh and
368:30 Colin Studio is going to refresh and everything, but I am out of here.
368:33 everything, but I am out of here. >> Enjoy your evening.
368:42 Come on. Trade off. Let's Let's be Let's Let's be seamless. Let's just
368:45 Let's be seamless. Let's just >> Boom. Oh, are we back?
368:48 >> Boom. Oh, are we back? >> Are we in it?
368:49 >> Are we in it? >> Did the tradeoff work?
368:51 >> Did the tradeoff work? >> I don't know.
368:53 >> I don't know. >> You guys check the stream. I'm going to
368:55 >> You guys check the stream. I'm going to try to get Colin studio running.
368:57 try to get Colin studio running. >> Chat also let us know.
368:59 >> Chat also let us know. >> Hey, people in chat, let us know.
369:04 >> Hey, people in chat, let us know. >> Yes, we are live. We are live in the
369:05 >> Yes, we are live. We are live in the chat.
369:05 chat. >> You are connected as the host.
369:07 >> You are connected as the host. >> Okay,
369:08 >> Okay, >> we are connected as the host.
369:09 >> we are connected as the host. >> That scared me so bad.
369:11 >> That scared me so bad. >> Sorry. The robot needs to talk every
369:13 >> Sorry. The robot needs to talk every time you start calling studio. I don't
369:15 time you start calling studio. I don't know what his problem is.
369:16 know what his problem is. >> Well, I thought Jarvis was coming for
369:18 >> Well, I thought Jarvis was coming for him. We'll leave.
369:20 him. We'll leave. >> All right. Um,
369:21 >> All right. Um, >> so are we going to do finish the supers
369:22 >> so are we going to do finish the supers that have come in or did you want to do
369:24 that have come in or did you want to do some calls and then supers?
369:26 some calls and then supers? >> Well, let's do the calls. Um, which
369:28 >> Well, let's do the calls. Um, which >> let's do calls.
369:30 >> let's do calls. >> What looks good,
369:31 >> What looks good, >> man? This is deja vu to a few months
369:34 >> man? This is deja vu to a few months ago. Okay, I'll show up now.
369:36 ago. Okay, I'll show up now. >> Sorry, Ar. We're glad you're here,
369:39 >> Sorry, Ar. We're glad you're here, though.
369:40 though. Thanks for being here.
369:41 Thanks for being here. >> Someone needs to be.
369:43 >> Someone needs to be. >> I have to go get chili here in a second
369:45 >> I have to go get chili here in a second for first. Pick one that you can start
369:47 for first. Pick one that you can start cuz I'm I haven't had anything to eat
369:48 cuz I'm I haven't had anything to eat today other than the berries and the
369:50 today other than the berries and the banana and the coffee and the water. And
369:52 banana and the coffee and the water. And I also want to get a drink.
369:52 I also want to get a drink. >> You should get some some the crispy tri
369:54 >> You should get some some the crispy tri fried tofu. I've been over here munching
369:56 fried tofu. I've been over here munching on is dope. Um, let's go then with the
370:00 on is dope. Um, let's go then with the person who's waiting the longest. We're
370:01 person who's waiting the longest. We're going to go to Kit, any and all
370:03 going to go to Kit, any and all pronouns, calling in from Brazil, uh,
370:05 pronouns, calling in from Brazil, uh, who wants to know about ego getting in
370:07 who wants to know about ego getting in the way of science. Kit, you are on the
370:09 the way of science. Kit, you are on the line with Forest and Mostly Only.
370:10 line with Forest and Mostly Only. Forest, how are you?
370:13 Forest, how are you? >> Uh, hi. Hello.
370:15 >> Uh, hi. Hello. >> Hello.
370:17 >> Hello. >> Uh, is my voice volume good?
370:20 >> Uh, is my voice volume good? >> Yes.
370:22 >> Yes. >> Okay, good.
370:24 >> Okay, good. Yeah. Well,
370:27 Yeah. Well, this is the part where I start talking
370:29 this is the part where I start talking about the question I had, right?
370:32 about the question I had, right? >> Yes. What did you want to talk about?
370:36 >> Yes. What did you want to talk about? Yeah,
370:37 Yeah, this is just a a thing I've been
370:39 this is just a a thing I've been wondering about a lot recently because
370:51 uh I got a huge obsession with uh a bunch of 19th century scientists
370:55 uh a bunch of 19th century scientists and I've especially 19th century
370:59 and I've especially 19th century medicine mid and late uh it got held
371:03 medicine mid and late uh it got held back up it seems used to have been held
371:05 back up it seems used to have been held back a lot by like pure ego from
371:10 back a lot by like pure ego from medical scientists and I was I just
371:14 medical scientists and I was I just thought that was really sad honestly.
371:18 thought that was really sad honestly. >> Yep.
371:19 >> Yep. >> No, you're absolutely right.
371:24 >> Yes, >> it's
371:25 >> it's >> and I wanted to ask more about it
371:28 >> and I wanted to ask more about it >> because does that still happen as much
371:32 >> because does that still happen as much today? the fields that have as much of a
371:36 today? the fields that have as much of a problem.
371:38 problem. >> Mhm. Yeah, there's a a yes and no. Um,
371:42 >> Mhm. Yeah, there's a a yes and no. Um, so a great example of like old when was
371:45 so a great example of like old when was this? Let me just double check. Uh,
371:49 this? Let me just double check. Uh, let me remember when this was. I think
371:51 let me remember when this was. I think this was in No, this in so in the in the
371:54 this was in No, this in so in the in the uh 19th century there was this dude by
371:56 uh 19th century there was this dude by the name of Ignas Semlvise. Um, and he
371:58 the name of Ignas Semlvise. Um, and he was a doctor.
371:59 was a doctor. >> Yes. I love him. You don't.
372:02 >> Yes. I love him. You don't. >> Yes. And so Ignos Semlvi for for those
372:07 >> Yes. And so Ignos Semlvi for for those >> for those who don't know,
372:09 >> for those who don't know, >> right? Well, that's the the problem is
372:11 >> right? Well, that's the the problem is for those who don't know the story is is
372:13 for those who don't know the story is is this dude was a doctor and at the time
372:15 this dude was a doctor and at the time there were these two hospitals next to
372:17 there were these two hospitals next to each other. There was like the the
372:18 each other. There was like the the teaching hospital and then there was the
372:20 teaching hospital and then there was the one that was really mainly run by nurses
372:23 one that was really mainly run by nurses and when people come in getting when
372:26 and when people come in getting when pregnant people would come in and want
372:27 pregnant people would come in and want to give a baby. Um if they went to the
372:30 to give a baby. Um if they went to the teaching hospital they died real real
372:33 teaching hospital they died real real bad from what they called at the time
372:34 bad from what they called at the time child bed fever where they would give
372:36 child bed fever where they would give birth and then they would get just
372:38 birth and then they would get just deathly ill and they would die. Didn't
372:40 deathly ill and they would die. Didn't happen so much at the nursing hospital.
372:42 happen so much at the nursing hospital. Wonder why. Oh, is pure peril fever
372:46 Wonder why. Oh, is pure peril fever still the term used or is it have they
372:49 still the term used or is it have they go like
372:50 go like >> the term?
372:51 >> the term? >> No, no, no. It's it's it's definitely
372:53 >> No, no, no. It's it's it's definitely evolved since then. Um, and so what we
372:56 evolved since then. Um, and so what we what they found out was that at the
372:57 what they found out was that at the teaching hospital they were also doing
372:59 teaching hospital they were also doing autopsies and these doctors would go
373:01 autopsies and these doctors would go downstairs, cut up a dead body and then
373:04 downstairs, cut up a dead body and then go upstairs and deliver a baby and never
373:06 go upstairs and deliver a baby and never wash their hands or their tools or
373:08 wash their hands or their tools or anything. At this time, if you were a
373:10 anything. At this time, if you were a surgeon, the dirtier and griier your
373:13 surgeon, the dirtier and griier your apron was, the better surgeon you. It
373:16 apron was, the better surgeon you. It shows your experience. These things were
373:18 shows your experience. These things were never washed. Um, and so Ignosis was the
373:22 never washed. Um, and so Ignosis was the one of the first people who suggested
373:25 one of the first people who suggested germ theory and was like, "Hey y'all, I
373:27 germ theory and was like, "Hey y'all, I noticed that when I wash my hands before
373:29 noticed that when I wash my hands before surgery, things get better. People don't
373:32 surgery, things get better. People don't die nearly as often." And he started
373:34 die nearly as often." And he started implementing this in in the hospital. is
373:37 implementing this in in the hospital. is that he he didn't even
373:40 that he he didn't even he he didn't even do it with like
373:44 he he didn't even do it with like he didn't suggest a a specific substance
373:47 he didn't suggest a a specific substance to clean your hands based on how clean
373:50 to clean your hands based on how clean it got. He just picked whatever was best
373:54 it got. He just picked whatever was best uh removing the smell of kadav kadaava
373:58 uh removing the smell of kadav kadaava >> kadaava from your hands
374:01 >> kadaava from your hands >> and then also beg
374:05 >> and then also beg >> right. Um and so that that was like this
374:10 >> right. Um and so that that was like this this big thing. It was he was saying
374:12 this big thing. It was he was saying like yo we need to [ __ ] clean our
374:14 like yo we need to [ __ ] clean our hands. That's the biggest thing. And
374:16 hands. That's the biggest thing. And there was this massive [ __ ] outrage
374:18 there was this massive [ __ ] outrage about it. There was one famous quote.
374:19 about it. There was one famous quote. And I forgot who said it, but there's
374:21 And I forgot who said it, but there's this one famous quote from a doctor that
374:23 this one famous quote from a doctor that was arguing against this who said, "A
374:25 was arguing against this who said, "A doctor is a gentleman and a gentleman's
374:27 doctor is a gentleman and a gentleman's hands are clean." So to suggest that his
374:30 hands are clean." So to suggest that his hands were dirty was to insult him as a
374:32 hands were dirty was to insult him as a man, not just as a doctor, right? Um,
374:35 man, not just as a doctor, right? Um, and so there's this major [ __ ]
374:36 and so there's this major [ __ ] fallout. And you talk about ego, there's
374:39 fallout. And you talk about ego, there's there's your [ __ ] ego. But also,
374:43 there's your [ __ ] ego. But also, Ignos Samovvice also has a major [ __ ]
374:46 Ignos Samovvice also has a major [ __ ] ego because as right as he was, he
374:49 ego because as right as he was, he refused to [ __ ] publish anything
374:51 refused to [ __ ] publish anything because he was afraid people were going
374:52 because he was afraid people were going to steal his work and steal his thunder.
374:54 to steal his work and steal his thunder. And he constantly was making enemies by
374:57 And he constantly was making enemies by calling every other doctor that refused
374:59 calling every other doctor that refused to just believe him a [ __ ] idiot. and
375:02 to just believe him a [ __ ] idiot. and clearly just not a real surgeon, not a
375:04 clearly just not a real surgeon, not a real doctor, couldn't be taken
375:05 real doctor, couldn't be taken seriously, just a stupid unacademic
375:08 seriously, just a stupid unacademic fool. And so everybody hated this guy
375:11 fool. And so everybody hated this guy and this guy hated everybody else. And
375:14 and this guy hated everybody else. And as a result, germ theory doesn't really
375:15 as a result, germ theory doesn't really get developed for another several
375:17 get developed for another several decades. Um, so yeah, that's that's like
375:21 decades. Um, so yeah, that's that's like absolutely ego is this major [ __ ]
375:23 absolutely ego is this major [ __ ] problem. You want to talk about early
375:25 problem. You want to talk about early anthropology,
375:26 anthropology, huge, rife with this [ __ ] where you
375:29 huge, rife with this [ __ ] where you have all these [ __ ] white Englishmen
375:32 have all these [ __ ] white Englishmen who believe that they are the key to
375:34 who believe that they are the key to understanding evolution better than
375:36 understanding evolution better than anybody else because they can just
375:38 anybody else because they can just inject their culture into prehuman
375:41 inject their culture into prehuman prehistory and decide what humans have
375:43 prehistory and decide what humans have been and have like what the best way to
375:45 been and have like what the best way to be alive is. It's craziness. Uh this
375:47 be alive is. It's craziness. Uh this happens over and over and over and it
375:49 happens over and over and over and it does still happen today to some degree.
375:51 does still happen today to some degree. Um, there are still situations where
375:54 Um, there are still situations where >> like I I remember in grad school where
375:56 >> like I I remember in grad school where like I would, you know, cite some source
375:59 like I would, you know, cite some source and my professor would be like, "Fuck
376:00 and my professor would be like, "Fuck this dude. He's a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ]
376:03 this dude. He's a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] who got one thing right 30 years ago and
376:05 who got one thing right 30 years ago and won't let it die and won't show his, you
376:08 won't let it die and won't show his, you know, won't let anybody else into his
376:09 know, won't let anybody else into his lab. So, he's the only access to this
376:11 lab. So, he's the only access to this information and just wants to be the
376:13 information and just wants to be the only person who can, you know, dictate
376:15 only person who can, you know, dictate this this and this." Like, yeah, that
376:17 this this and this." Like, yeah, that happens. I'm happy to say it happens a
376:19 happens. I'm happy to say it happens a lot less as far as I can tell um by like
376:24 lot less as far as I can tell um by like right now science has grown to a point
376:27 right now science has grown to a point where it's really networking is such an
376:30 where it's really networking is such an important thing that you don't want to
376:32 important thing that you don't want to be that kind of person. Um so like I
376:36 be that kind of person. Um so like I don't know beyond that like if if it's
376:39 don't know beyond that like if if it's still I I don't think it's still as big
376:41 still I I don't think it's still as big of a problem as it was is all I'm
376:43 of a problem as it was is all I'm saying.
376:46 saying. >> Yeah. I didn't think it was I was
376:50 >> Yeah. I didn't think it was I was uh
376:52 uh I was more looking to ask on the history
376:54 I was more looking to ask on the history of it because I know I know Pur and Cork
377:00 of it because I know I know Pur and Cork had some kind of huge beef or something.
377:04 had some kind of huge beef or something. Uh,
377:06 Uh, and I
377:10 and I like did that die a slow agonizing death
377:13 like did that die a slow agonizing death or did was there
377:18 or did was there just as science and the scientific
377:20 just as science and the scientific method and the scientific community got
377:22 method and the scientific community got better and [ __ ] Or was there a
377:26 better and [ __ ] Or was there a a a point where there was a noticeable
377:29 a a point where there was a noticeable or major drop off or something on
377:34 or major drop off or something on on people being hoarding knowledge.
377:44 I mean that it's tough to say for you. So, especially with things like
377:47 for you. So, especially with things like vaccines and
377:50 vaccines and >> I'm thinking about medical science
377:51 >> I'm thinking about medical science because that's all I've been thinking
377:52 because that's all I've been thinking about recently.
377:54 about recently. >> I'm not even I'm a musician.
377:57 >> I'm not even I'm a musician. >> Why am I like
377:58 >> Why am I like >> Yeah.
377:58 >> Yeah. >> Okay. Sorry. It it's it's tough to say
378:01 >> Okay. Sorry. It it's it's tough to say because at the end of the day the one of
378:03 because at the end of the day the one of the biggest things that really helped
378:05 the biggest things that really helped this was bringing women and non-white
378:09 this was bringing women and non-white people into science because for a long
378:11 people into science because for a long time science was very very exclusive.
378:15 time science was very very exclusive. You had to be a man, you had to be
378:16 You had to be a man, you had to be white, and you had to be wealthy. Um
378:18 white, and you had to be wealthy. Um because there's, you know, the reason
378:20 because there's, you know, the reason why most a lot of [ __ ] in science is in
378:22 why most a lot of [ __ ] in science is in Latin and Greek is because these are
378:25 Latin and Greek is because these are languages that you would learn if you
378:27 languages that you would learn if you were a very wellto-do person with a very
378:29 were a very wellto-do person with a very good education going in. And so it was
378:32 good education going in. And so it was automatically exclusionary. You could
378:34 automatically exclusionary. You could not learn the language. You didn't know
378:35 not learn the language. You didn't know what they were talking about. Um that is
378:38 what they were talking about. Um that is still a a major
378:41 still a a major >> Huh. Sorry.
378:49 I'd always wondered why, for example, math [ __ ] used to be all in Matin.
378:53 math [ __ ] used to be all in Matin. >> Mhm. Yeah, there is some utility to it
378:57 >> Mhm. Yeah, there is some utility to it in so far as like people with different
379:00 in so far as like people with different language backgrounds can learn the same
379:02 language backgrounds can learn the same terms, but they don't. They just use the
379:06 terms, but they don't. They just use the same like Latin roots for [ __ ] And so
379:08 same like Latin roots for [ __ ] And so like at the end of the day um you you
379:11 like at the end of the day um you you end up with this this really really
379:14 end up with this this really really highly socially, racially and gender
379:16 highly socially, racially and gender stratified system of uh trying to force
379:23 stratified system of uh trying to force only certain kinds of people to be
379:25 only certain kinds of people to be allowed into this this thing. And the
379:27 allowed into this this thing. And the more we democratized science, the more
379:30 more we democratized science, the more we brought new people in, especially
379:32 we brought new people in, especially women and people of color, we like
379:33 women and people of color, we like brought them in and let them
379:35 brought them in and let them participate, let them play. That's where
379:37 participate, let them play. That's where we really start to see a huge amount of
379:39 we really start to see a huge amount of difference in like not only what we're
379:41 difference in like not only what we're learning and how fast we're learning it,
379:42 learning and how fast we're learning it, but also this [ __ ] of scientists
379:45 but also this [ __ ] of scientists getting down off of their stupid [ __ ]
379:47 getting down off of their stupid [ __ ] pedestal and and having to work with
379:49 pedestal and and having to work with everybody else and play nice with
379:50 everybody else and play nice with others. And you really see that
379:52 others. And you really see that happening? What's going on? What What's
379:55 happening? What's going on? What What's in your hair, dude?
379:58 in your hair, dude? >> I can't hear you. I'm sure it's it's
380:00 >> I can't hear you. I'm sure it's it's great.
380:00 great. >> No, sorry. Erica is is an ape who is
380:04 >> No, sorry. Erica is is an ape who is grooming her hair at this moment and
380:06 grooming her hair at this moment and it's great. Go on.
380:08 it's great. Go on. >> It probably has to do with the fizzy
380:09 >> It probably has to do with the fizzy drink she spilled all over her desk.
380:11 drink she spilled all over her desk. >> Okay, we're all
380:12 >> Okay, we're all >> the camera.
380:12 >> the camera. >> It was Ardan is correct. It was a big
380:15 >> It was Ardan is correct. It was a big bubble of white claw that was cleaned
380:18 bubble of white claw that was cleaned into my hair. I'm sorry. I I have been
380:21 into my hair. I'm sorry. I I have been listening to some of this conversation.
380:23 listening to some of this conversation. I think that horse is doing a great job.
380:26 I think that horse is doing a great job. Ego in science is a major major major
380:29 Ego in science is a major major major problem. But unfortunately ego is
380:31 problem. But unfortunately ego is intrinsic to being human. Um and
380:34 intrinsic to being human. Um and overcoming that is something that they
380:35 overcoming that is something that they fe you know theoretically they train you
380:37 fe you know theoretically they train you to do that as you're in the same
380:39 to do that as you're in the same position as a doctoral student or
380:41 position as a doctoral student or candidate as you're moving up through
380:43 candidate as you're moving up through later stage degrees. One of the hardest
380:46 later stage degrees. One of the hardest things to defeat is yourself. It's your
380:49 things to defeat is yourself. It's your ego. It's your it's your imposttor
380:51 ego. It's your it's your imposttor syndrome. either side of that coin that
380:53 syndrome. either side of that coin that you think you're that you think you've
380:54 you think you're that you think you've got a phenomenal idea or that you think
380:56 got a phenomenal idea or that you think that your idea is dog [ __ ] Um but
380:58 that your idea is dog [ __ ] Um but fortunately that's the purpose of the
381:02 fortunately that's the purpose of the scientific community. It's it's the
381:04 scientific community. It's it's the reason why we're all working towards
381:05 reason why we're all working towards this similar goal. So that when ego
381:07 this similar goal. So that when ego starts to disrupt the scientific
381:09 starts to disrupt the scientific process, other people come along and are
381:11 process, other people come along and are like, "Okay, cool your jets, buddy."
381:13 like, "Okay, cool your jets, buddy." Right? um theoretically science has a
381:15 Right? um theoretically science has a built-in process to deal with human ego
381:19 built-in process to deal with human ego which is always going to be a part of
381:21 which is always going to be a part of this as an endeavor um for knowledge. So
381:25 this as an endeavor um for knowledge. So that's my two cents.
381:37 Yeah. It's kind of a and I'm speaking as a classical musician so I'm not sure how
381:40 a classical musician so I'm not sure how much this is in other genres.
381:43 much this is in other genres. But
381:45 But it's been kind of an on and off problem
381:47 it's been kind of an on and off problem in classical music as well. like ego.
381:52 in classical music as well. like ego. Like the worst is with the advent of
381:56 Like the worst is with the advent of copyright laws because of capitalism
382:01 copyright laws because of capitalism obviously,
382:02 obviously, but the the people who the people who
382:05 but the the people who the people who have the worst beef are always not
382:07 have the worst beef are always not people but corporations.
382:11 people but corporations. And
382:13 And there's always been if you go and see
382:17 there's always been if you go and see things from even up to early 20th
382:21 things from even up to early 20th century,
382:23 century, sorry, it's you see pieces that are like
382:27 sorry, it's you see pieces that are like pieces of music that are like
382:29 pieces of music that are like >> demon variations on this person's theme,
382:33 >> demon variations on this person's theme, which is essentially I took this
382:35 which is essentially I took this person's melody and extrapolated the
382:38 person's melody and extrapolated the [ __ ] out of it. and it's really cool.
382:41 [ __ ] out of it. and it's really cool. There's themes that are folk themes.
382:45 There's themes that are folk themes. There's this one, I think it's Italian,
382:49 There's this one, I think it's Italian, uh,
382:51 uh, Laafia, which is really old,
382:55 Laafia, which is really old, uh, from like it was already an
382:58 uh, from like it was already an established theme by the 1600s and a
383:03 established theme by the 1600s and a bunch of composers from that period and
383:06 bunch of composers from that period and even the the early 18th century did
383:09 even the the early 18th century did theme and variations on it. It was a
383:11 theme and variations on it. It was a really popular theme to do theme and
383:13 really popular theme to do theme and variations.
383:15 variations. It's
383:17 It's uh I don't remember where I was going
383:18 uh I don't remember where I was going with this.
383:27 >> My my opinion on my opinion on knowledge and art, maybe I'm a little extreme on
383:30 and art, maybe I'm a little extreme on this, but this is also because of this.
383:32 this, but this is also because of this. This is how this is how I want things to
383:35 This is how this is how I want things to be and this is how I treat things that I
383:37 be and this is how I treat things that I make. I think once you put something out
383:39 make. I think once you put something out into the world that it needs to be, you
383:41 into the world that it needs to be, you know, protected for a certain amount of
383:43 know, protected for a certain amount of time so that the individual who created
383:45 time so that the individual who created it can, you know, profit on that. With
383:48 it can, you know, profit on that. With regard to art and things like that, I
383:49 regard to art and things like that, I can understand the purpose of copyright.
383:52 can understand the purpose of copyright. I guess this mostly applies to how I
383:53 I guess this mostly applies to how I feel about science, which is like my
383:55 feel about science, which is like my opinion on science is that all science
383:57 opinion on science is that all science should be open access all the time. I
383:59 should be open access all the time. I think that science is the birthright of
384:01 think that science is the birthright of humanity. I think that it is one of our
384:03 humanity. I think that it is one of our greatest inventions of all time. Um,
384:05 greatest inventions of all time. Um, perhaps equal to art. It's like science
384:07 perhaps equal to art. It's like science and art are like and and they're sort of
384:09 and art are like and and they're sort of two sides of the same coin as well,
384:10 two sides of the same coin as well, aren't they? So, it's like I'm I'm sort
384:12 aren't they? So, it's like I'm I'm sort of a hyper open access science kind of
384:14 of a hyper open access science kind of person where it's like I see no utility
384:16 person where it's like I see no utility in putting anything behind a payw wall
384:17 in putting anything behind a payw wall that is scientific at all. And I think
384:19 that is scientific at all. And I think much more people I think part of why
384:20 much more people I think part of why people are so mistrusting with science,
384:22 people are so mistrusting with science, >> although it's a very small part. I think
384:24 >> although it's a very small part. I think the the much larger part comes from a
384:26 the the much larger part comes from a concentrated propaganda machine, but
384:28 concentrated propaganda machine, but there is a portion of it that it's like
384:30 there is a portion of it that it's like science doesn't feel transparent because
384:31 science doesn't feel transparent because not everybody has access to it. And I
384:32 not everybody has access to it. And I think that sucks. And I think that part
384:34 think that sucks. And I think that part of that is true with copyright as well.
384:36 of that is true with copyright as well. Like I think that if someone creates an
384:39 Like I think that if someone creates an only say that copyright has a time and a
384:41 only say that copyright has a time and a place with art because I can see a world
384:43 place with art because I can see a world where an independent artist creates
384:44 where an independent artist creates something wonderful and some big mega
384:46 something wonderful and some big mega corp snap
384:52 in those places I see a utility for copyright. But at the same time I don't
384:55 copyright. But at the same time I don't like how big corporations can copyright
384:57 like how big corporations can copyright something artistic and then have a
384:59 something artistic and then have a strangle hold on it in all its
385:01 strangle hold on it in all its iterations for decades and decades and
385:02 iterations for decades and decades and decades. And so it's like maybe I should
385:05 decades. And so it's like maybe I should keep my nose in my own toes with regard
385:07 keep my nose in my own toes with regard to science, but it's like I
385:10 to science, but it's like I >> my stuff is for everybody. When I put
385:12 >> my stuff is for everybody. When I put something out into the world, if you
385:13 something out into the world, if you sometimes people email me and they'll be
385:14 sometimes people email me and they'll be like, "Hey, can I use a clip of yours
385:15 like, "Hey, can I use a clip of yours and blah blah blah." I'm like, "Use it.
385:17 and blah blah blah." I'm like, "Use it. It use it. Take my images, make posters
385:20 It use it. Take my images, make posters out of them if for education if you want
385:22 out of them if for education if you want to. I have this one image with like
385:23 to. I have this one image with like homin and skulls that sometimes people
385:24 homin and skulls that sometimes people ask if they can print." It's like I'm
385:26 ask if they can print." It's like I'm appreciative that they ask for
385:28 appreciative that they ask for permission, but to be perfectly honest,
385:29 permission, but to be perfectly honest, if I've put something out there, anybody
385:32 if I've put something out there, anybody can use it or react to it or share it in
385:34 can use it or react to it or share it in however they want. That's that's to me
385:37 however they want. That's that's to me the purpose of it. And it's my effort to
385:39 the purpose of it. And it's my effort to try to distill some of that ivory tower
385:42 try to distill some of that ivory tower stuff and make it a little bit more
385:44 stuff and make it a little bit more accessible to other people. Um, but like
385:47 accessible to other people. Um, but like ego does play a big role in this. The
385:50 ego does play a big role in this. The >> word right out of my mouth really.
385:52 >> word right out of my mouth really. >> Yeah. So
385:53 >> Yeah. So >> that's exactly how I think about my own
385:55 >> that's exactly how I think about my own art and just art in general. The only
385:58 art and just art in general. The only real use for
386:01 real use for like uh copyright law it loses its
386:05 like uh copyright law it loses its purpose as soon as capital doesn't get
386:07 purpose as soon as capital doesn't get it grubby little hands on it. like it's
386:11 it grubby little hands on it. like it's used it's great to protect uh
386:14 used it's great to protect uh >> artists and stuff from really having
386:18 >> artists and stuff from really having their [ __ ] sto or there was actually a
386:22 their [ __ ] sto or there was actually a really interesting phenomenon.
386:25 really interesting phenomenon. uh a slightly less known composer for
386:29 uh a slightly less known composer for the I don't know uh Ysef he's
386:34 the I don't know uh Ysef he's uh from the time from the same time
386:36 uh from the time from the same time period as Mos and he was a really well
386:41 period as Mos and he was a really well he was a really good composer very
386:45 he was a really good composer very like
386:47 like sorry very
386:50 sorry very what's the word not famous
386:54 what's the word not famous uh well worked uh traveled but yeah he
386:59 uh well worked uh traveled but yeah he did a lot of [ __ ]
387:01 did a lot of [ __ ] my favorite composer of all time really
387:05 my favorite composer of all time really cool dude and the there would be smaller
387:09 cool dude and the there would be smaller composers who would compose things and
387:12 composers who would compose things and then slap Heiden's name on it and
387:14 then slap Heiden's name on it and publish
387:15 publish so and while that and while that would
387:20 so and while that and while that would get them money
387:22 get them money it would also
387:24 it would also obfiscate the the real author and that's
387:28 obfiscate the the real author and that's also a huge problem for Heiden scholars
387:33 also a huge problem for Heiden scholars nowadays because we have like
387:37 nowadays because we have like Heiden does have a humongous catalog but
387:40 Heiden does have a humongous catalog but we've also got a portion of things that
387:43 we've also got a portion of things that would are not his and it's not because
387:46 would are not his and it's not because he stole anyone's work it's the contrary
387:50 he stole anyone's work it's the contrary they stole his name to put on their
387:54 they stole his name to put on their That's so irritating. Yeah. No, I mean I
387:57 That's so irritating. Yeah. No, I mean I that's that's the thing, right? Is that
387:58 that's that's the thing, right? Is that there's a time and place for that kind
388:00 there's a time and place for that kind of there's a time and place for that
388:02 of there's a time and place for that kind of for copyright, I guess. Um, and
388:04 kind of for copyright, I guess. Um, and I'm no copyright lawyer or anything like
388:06 I'm no copyright lawyer or anything like that. But I I think I think humans would
388:09 that. But I I think I think humans would be a lot better off.
388:14 >> Oh, sorry. Go ahead. I I cut you off. What' you say?
388:20 >> Yeah. I'm also not very good at pacing myself. My my
388:22 myself. My my All good.
388:24 All good. >> Yeah, I was just going to say that uh
388:26 >> Yeah, I was just going to say that uh I'm a sheet music editor and
388:30 I'm a sheet music editor and I also whenever I publish anything
388:32 I also whenever I publish anything online, I also put it under public
388:35 online, I also put it under public domain license or any equivalent of it.
388:38 domain license or any equivalent of it. >> But
388:41 >> But because yeah, it's it's for everyone.
388:46 because yeah, it's it's for everyone. uh whatever work I do professionally I'm
388:49 uh whatever work I do professionally I'm only earning money off it to survive
388:52 only earning money off it to survive other than that I have no use for any
388:55 other than that I have no use for any copyright art is for everyone and
389:00 copyright art is for everyone and science is for everyone as well
389:03 science is for everyone as well >> yeah I couldn't agree more you know and
389:06 >> yeah I couldn't agree more you know and I don't know it's it's very I think the
389:08 I don't know it's it's very I think the reason we have such a problem with it is
389:10 reason we have such a problem with it is because it's so anti- um that kind of
389:12 because it's so anti- um that kind of structure is so contra to the god I'm
389:16 structure is so contra to the god I'm gonna sound like a dumb broken record on
389:18 gonna sound like a dumb broken record on this but like the sort of capital or I
389:21 this but like the sort of capital or I should say super capitalistic hellscape
389:23 should say super capitalistic hellscape that we live in where it's like
389:24 that we live in where it's like everything has to be monetizable
389:26 everything has to be monetizable everything needs anything you create you
389:29 everything needs anything you create you have to be able to ring the dimes out of
389:32 have to be able to ring the dimes out of it like a wet rag and it's like well you
389:34 it like a wet rag and it's like well you know I can totally understand creating
389:36 know I can totally understand creating something and hoping to get a monetary
389:38 something and hoping to get a monetary gain from it or a financial gain from it
389:39 gain from it or a financial gain from it but at the same time
389:42 but at the same time fun to create just because it's fun to
389:44 fun to create just because it's fun to create and I think that creators will
389:47 create and I think that creators will make things and by creating such a
389:50 make things and by creating such a necessary financial incentive and
389:52 necessary financial incentive and pinning it to absolutely every single
389:53 pinning it to absolutely every single freaking platform on the sun, you
389:55 freaking platform on the sun, you actually do a huge detriment um or do a
389:57 actually do a huge detriment um or do a disservice I should say. It's to the
389:58 disservice I should say. It's to the detriment. You do a disservice to to art
390:01 detriment. You do a disservice to to art in general. But, you know, that's that's
390:03 in general. But, you know, that's that's my two cents. And if you look at the if
390:06 my two cents. And if you look at the if you look at any
390:09 you look at any any music genre that has somehow
390:12 any music genre that has somehow deteriorated
390:14 deteriorated from past times to modern times, it's
390:16 from past times to modern times, it's capitalism. because of capitalism and ma
390:18 capitalism. because of capitalism and ma mass production of music like uh
390:22 mass production of music like uh Brazilian country music uh certain Asian
390:24 Brazilian country music uh certain Asian versario in the moment but just certain
390:29 versario in the moment but just certain I'm going to translate it as country
390:32 I'm going to translate it as country because it's the same kind of thing but
390:36 because it's the same kind of thing but it's it started in the 1930s and back as
390:44 it's it started in the 1930s and back as actual country music by folks who lived
390:46 actual country music by folks who lived in rural areas
390:49 in rural areas just getting in the
390:52 just getting in the uh viola.
390:54 uh viola. It's not a guitar. It's kind of similar
390:58 It's not a guitar. It's kind of similar and
390:59 and talking about the world. And then you
391:02 talking about the world. And then you get to the 21st century and you have
391:05 get to the 21st century and you have certain universario
391:07 certain universario or universarian country and it's a
391:10 or universarian country and it's a capitalist hellscape because it is
391:14 capitalist hellscape because it is capitalism. It ruins everything. and
391:16 capitalism. It ruins everything. and awful.
391:17 awful. >> I feel like the the biggest example of
391:19 >> I feel like the the biggest example of that, and maybe it's just me because I
391:20 that, and maybe it's just me because I live here in Oklahoma, but like I feel
391:21 live here in Oklahoma, but like I feel like the biggest example of that is
391:22 like the biggest example of that is country music because like I love old
391:26 country music because like I love old folk music and stuff. I listen to Pete I
391:28 folk music and stuff. I listen to Pete I listen to Pete Seager all the time and
391:30 listen to Pete Seager all the time and like old country used to be like, "Fuck
391:33 like old country used to be like, "Fuck the man. [ __ ] the government. If your
391:36 the man. [ __ ] the government. If your husband beats you, kill him in his
391:37 husband beats you, kill him in his sleep. The police can't tell me [ __ ]
391:40 sleep. The police can't tell me [ __ ] [ __ ] you. This is my land. You're never
391:42 [ __ ] you. This is my land. You're never going to take it from me." And modern
391:44 going to take it from me." And modern country music is all [ __ ] guns and
391:47 country music is all [ __ ] guns and God and Trump and support the police and
391:49 God and Trump and support the police and [ __ ] let's see how many licks it takes
391:51 [ __ ] let's see how many licks it takes to get to the center of a boot. And
391:53 to get to the center of a boot. And that's every [ __ ] country song. And
391:55 that's every [ __ ] country song. And it sucks. And I like I think that's
391:57 it sucks. And I like I think that's really just kind of indicative of this
391:59 really just kind of indicative of this thing is that's what makes money. Just
392:00 thing is that's what makes money. Just pandering, throwing on a twang, owning a
392:03 pandering, throwing on a twang, owning a million-dollar ranch you never set foot
392:04 million-dollar ranch you never set foot on and and having a a can of Bud Light
392:07 on and and having a a can of Bud Light with the logo facing out while you sing.
392:09 with the logo facing out while you sing. That's every [ __ ] thing. So like,
392:11 That's every [ __ ] thing. So like, believe me, dude. I will sit here and
392:14 believe me, dude. I will sit here and [ __ ]
392:14 [ __ ] >> it's a lot more country is a lot more
392:17 >> it's a lot more country is a lot more widespread. It's I think one
392:19 widespread. It's I think one >> one of if not the most popular genre in
392:22 >> one of if not the most popular genre in the country
392:23 the country >> and it's it also starts out as
392:28 >> and it's it also starts out as like there there are two main uh
392:32 like there there are two main uh topics that country talks about at the
392:34 topics that country talks about at the start is politics and love and then as
392:39 start is politics and love and then as time goes on and they gets more
392:42 time goes on and they gets more mass-produced
392:43 mass-produced uh the politics fades out and it start
392:46 uh the politics fades out and it start and it talks only about love usually
392:49 and it talks only about love usually talk about sex as well which I've always
392:52 talk about sex as well which I've always found very annoying
392:55 found very annoying and yeah because
392:58 and yeah because and to make it worse it's sexist like it
393:02 and to make it worse it's sexist like it it's always the same narrative that
393:07 it's always the same narrative that uh man broke up with woman man is sad
393:11 uh man broke up with woman man is sad man man man drinks man blames breakup on
393:15 man man man drinks man blames breakup on woman with a few of variations here and
393:18 woman with a few of variations here and there on the emb on the part of an
393:19 there on the emb on the part of an embellishment.
393:21 embellishment. >> Yeah,
393:23 >> Yeah, it is rough. Anyway, with that, we've
393:25 it is rough. Anyway, with that, we've got a couple other calls late waiting.
393:27 got a couple other calls late waiting. We're going to jump in. Believe me, Kit,
393:29 We're going to jump in. Believe me, Kit, I would sit here and talk about how much
393:30 I would sit here and talk about how much I [ __ ] hate capitalism all day long,
393:32 I [ __ ] hate capitalism all day long, but we've got to jump on to the next
393:34 but we've got to jump on to the next one. Somebody We got to find somebody
393:36 one. Somebody We got to find somebody who wants to argue with us. You're too
393:37 who wants to argue with us. You're too agreeable. So,
393:39 agreeable. So, >> thank you very much for calling in. Take
393:41 >> thank you very much for calling in. Take care.
393:42 care. >> Thank you.
393:43 >> Thank you. >> You too. Bye. Bye.
393:45 >> You too. Bye. Bye. >> Take care.
393:45 >> Take care. >> Bye. Bye. Bye.
393:51 >> All right. What do we got here? Let me take a look.
393:51 take a look. >> To the person in chat who said,
393:53 >> To the person in chat who said, "Capitalism pulled most the world out of
393:54 "Capitalism pulled most the world out of poverty." No, it [ __ ] didn't. There's
393:57 poverty." No, it [ __ ] didn't. There's a number on the bottom of the screen. I
393:59 a number on the bottom of the screen. I encourage you to use it, but I'm pretty
394:01 encourage you to use it, but I'm pretty sure, if I remember correctly, that's
394:02 sure, if I remember correctly, that's not the first dumb thing you said in
394:03 not the first dumb thing you said in chat today. So, like, if you haven't
394:04 chat today. So, like, if you haven't called in yet, who knows? That said, uh,
394:08 called in yet, who knows? That said, uh, >> never mind. I No, you're so right.
394:11 >> never mind. I No, you're so right. >> Call in. Call in. Let's talk about it.
394:14 >> Call in. Call in. Let's talk about it. >> Let's talk about capitalism. Forest and
394:16 >> Let's talk about capitalism. Forest and I could could sit up here and, you know,
394:18 I could could sit up here and, you know, like do do a middle circle jerk about
394:20 like do do a middle circle jerk about how we feel about this subject, but it
394:22 how we feel about this subject, but it would be better if you were to call in
394:23 would be better if you were to call in and we could actually have someone to
394:25 and we could actually have someone to bounce our ideas off of. Hey, call us up
394:27 bounce our ideas off of. Hey, call us up and tell us where you think that the
394:29 and tell us where you think that the capitalist hellscape that we currently
394:31 capitalist hellscape that we currently live in is good actually and how this is
394:35 live in is good actually and how this is the system that pulled us up out of
394:36 the system that pulled us up out of poverty. Please, please do that.
394:40 poverty. Please, please do that. >> I'm so happy right here. I'm feeling
394:42 >> I'm so happy right here. I'm feeling sassier and more irritated than ever.
394:44 sassier and more irritated than ever. So,
394:49 I'm so happy that Ardan is producing. That's beautiful. Uh, and yes, there is
394:51 That's beautiful. Uh, and yes, there is a phone number on the on the screen.
394:52 a phone number on the on the screen. 7206192288
394:54 7206192288 or use the web link in the description.
394:55 or use the web link in the description. And that's not just for that dude who
394:57 And that's not just for that dude who thinks that capitalism fixes poverty and
395:00 thinks that capitalism fixes poverty and that allows us to feed the masses, you
395:02 that allows us to feed the masses, you should call in. But also everybody, if
395:04 should call in. But also everybody, if you're a creationist, if you are a
395:07 you're a creationist, if you are a flat-earther, if you're an antivaxer, if
395:08 flat-earther, if you're an antivaxer, if you're a transphobe, if you're a theist,
395:09 you're a transphobe, if you're a theist, if you want to talk to to two biologists
395:12 if you want to talk to to two biologists about whatever the hell it is, lines are
395:14 about whatever the hell it is, lines are open. we have right now. Um, looks like
395:17 open. we have right now. Um, looks like two people currently in the host queue,
395:18 two people currently in the host queue, only one of whom is a theist. So, like,
395:22 only one of whom is a theist. So, like, y'all, now's your chance. Don't leave us
395:24 y'all, now's your chance. Don't leave us hanging. Pick up that phone. Let's talk.
395:27 hanging. Pick up that phone. Let's talk. Uh, as for right now, we're going to
395:29 Uh, as for right now, we're going to talk to Elijah. Pronouns he, him,
395:34 talk to Elijah. Pronouns he, him, calling in from Pancake Ancestry, which
395:39 calling in from Pancake Ancestry, which is interesting because the the call is
395:40 is interesting because the the call is about DNA tests. And maybe this person's
395:43 about DNA tests. And maybe this person's related to pancakes. I don't know. Don't
395:45 related to pancakes. I don't know. Don't give me a face. I don't We haven't even
395:46 give me a face. I don't We haven't even talked to them yet. Uh Elijah, you were
395:48 talked to them yet. Uh Elijah, you were on the line with Forest and Erica. How
395:50 on the line with Forest and Erica. How you doing today?
395:53 you doing today? >> I'm good. Uh I'm I'm I'm glad that I
395:55 >> I'm good. Uh I'm I'm I'm glad that I finally got to speak with you guys. I'm
395:59 finally got to speak with you guys. I'm uh I don't know if you guys remember,
396:01 uh I don't know if you guys remember, but uh I'm the guy that called in a
396:03 but uh I'm the guy that called in a couple weeks ago about the same
396:04 couple weeks ago about the same question. And um sorry about that, but
396:08 question. And um sorry about that, but uh I had accidentally fell asleep. And
396:11 uh I had accidentally fell asleep. And after I had woke up, I realized that you
396:13 after I had woke up, I realized that you guys were reading super chat uh after
396:16 guys were reading super chat uh after that. So I was like I was like, "Oh man,
396:18 that. So I was like I was like, "Oh man, I can't believe I missed it."
396:20 I can't believe I missed it." >> Listen, my friend, you would not be the
396:22 >> Listen, my friend, you would not be the first person that that has happened to.
396:24 first person that that has happened to. The number of people that fall asleep
396:25 The number of people that fall asleep while waiting is high. And it is no
396:28 while waiting is high. And it is no one's fault because if I was waiting on
396:30 one's fault because if I was waiting on a call for like two plus hours, I fall
396:33 a call for like two plus hours, I fall asleep, too. I get I'm a sleepy little
396:34 asleep, too. I get I'm a sleepy little I'm a sleepy little snug as a bug in a
396:36 I'm a sleepy little snug as a bug in a rug. Like I get tired and not off. So, I
396:39 rug. Like I get tired and not off. So, I totally hear you and we're glad to have
396:40 totally hear you and we're glad to have you on now.
396:42 you on now. >> Yep.
396:44 >> Yep. >> All right. Uh, so
396:48 >> All right. Uh, so my question,
396:50 my question, uh, is about my ancestry, uh, DNA test.
396:54 uh, is about my ancestry, uh, DNA test. So, I first took it, when did I take it?
396:58 So, I first took it, when did I take it? I think I took it back in June or yeah,
397:01 I think I took it back in June or yeah, somewhere around there, May or June of
397:03 somewhere around there, May or June of this year. And back then it had said
397:07 this year. And back then it had said that I was 6%
397:11 that I was 6% Irish. Um, but recently it had updated
397:16 Irish. Um, but recently it had updated and now it's no longer saying that I'm
397:20 and now it's no longer saying that I'm 6% Irish.
397:22 6% Irish. Um, but now it's saying that I'm mixed
397:25 Um, but now it's saying that I'm mixed with uh Irish. It says I'm 2% Irish. It
397:30 with uh Irish. It says I'm 2% Irish. It didn't say that before, but it said that
397:32 didn't say that before, but it said that my my dad was my dad had a little little
397:35 my my dad was my dad had a little little bit of Irish in him. Now it's saying
397:37 bit of Irish in him. Now it's saying that I am 15% English. It didn't say
397:42 that I am 15% English. It didn't say that before. Um, what else? Before I was
397:46 that before. Um, what else? Before I was 4% French, now I'm 2% French. Before I
397:50 4% French, now I'm 2% French. Before I was 21% German, now I'm 13% German. and
397:54 was 21% German, now I'm 13% German. and now I am 1%
397:58 now I am 1% Italian.
398:00 Italian. Um, but even though these regions have
398:04 Um, but even though these regions have uh changed, uh, it still when I add up
398:07 uh changed, uh, it still when I add up all of the ethnicity that I'm mixed
398:10 all of the ethnicity that I'm mixed with, uh, it's still it's still me
398:13 with, uh, it's still it's still me coming out as 66% black, 33% white, and
398:18 coming out as 66% black, 33% white, and 1% Native American. So, um, if if you
398:22 1% Native American. So, um, if if you guys can elaborate on why it says that
398:26 guys can elaborate on why it says that I'm no longer like part Scottish, but
398:30 I'm no longer like part Scottish, but I'm now part Irish and part English. Um,
398:35 I'm now part Irish and part English. Um, uh, that'd be great cuz I'm I'm
398:38 uh, that'd be great cuz I'm I'm confused.
398:40 confused. >> So, yeah, I I have some ideas on this
398:42 >> So, yeah, I I have some ideas on this forest. You want me to start?
398:44 forest. You want me to start? >> Please. Since I've been since I've been
398:46 >> Please. Since I've been since I've been sitting here stuffing my face for the
398:48 sitting here stuffing my face for the past
398:49 past >> I feel like this is more your alley
398:50 >> I feel like this is more your alley anyway. I I only have hypothesis about
398:52 anyway. I I only have hypothesis about why that could probably happen.
398:54 why that could probably happen. >> So those ancestry tests, right? Like 23
398:57 >> So those ancestry tests, right? Like 23 andme, ancestry.com,
399:00 andme, ancestry.com, whatever the other ones are, I'm pretty
399:01 whatever the other ones are, I'm pretty sure 23 and me actually went out of
399:03 sure 23 and me actually went out of business. But the way that these guys
399:05 business. But the way that these guys typically determine the ancestry of an
399:07 typically determine the ancestry of an individual who they send in or who is
399:09 individual who they send in or who is sent into them is they look for common
399:12 sent into them is they look for common DNA markers that are typically um
399:15 DNA markers that are typically um representative of a given location,
399:17 representative of a given location, right? The problem is a lot of these DNA
399:19 right? The problem is a lot of these DNA markers are from areas that are adjacent
399:22 markers are from areas that are adjacent to one another. So like think about
399:24 to one another. So like think about think about the switch that you saw with
399:26 think about the switch that you saw with Scottish, Irish, and English, right? Or
399:28 Scottish, Irish, and English, right? Or Welsh. you know, all of these four
399:30 Welsh. you know, all of these four places are like right snuggle up next to
399:32 places are like right snuggle up next to one another. So those DNA markers are
399:34 one another. So those DNA markers are not only quite similar, but they're also
399:36 not only quite similar, but they're also being in they're also introgressing
399:38 being in they're also introgressing amongst populations. Um because people
399:41 amongst populations. Um because people intermar across country lines and and
399:44 intermar across country lines and and across gosh the entire world now, right?
399:46 across gosh the entire world now, right? So a lot
399:49 So a lot when you send in your DNA, they're going
399:51 when you send in your DNA, they're going to give you sort of the archetypal
399:53 to give you sort of the archetypal ballpark estimate. And part of this is
399:55 ballpark estimate. And part of this is because they get so many genomes each
399:57 because they get so many genomes each and every day that they that they have
399:58 and every day that they that they have to sort through. So it's really a a
400:01 to sort through. So it's really a a general estimate on the basis of these
400:02 general estimate on the basis of these markers. But these markers in and of
400:04 markers. But these markers in and of themselves are also not um static,
400:08 themselves are also not um static, right? The more we sequence genomes like
400:10 right? The more we sequence genomes like through the thousand genomes project,
400:11 through the thousand genomes project, etc., the more we realize that these
400:13 etc., the more we realize that these markers are less isolated to given
400:15 markers are less isolated to given locations than we previously thought.
400:17 locations than we previously thought. This is why your your ancestry.com or 23
400:20 This is why your your ancestry.com or 23 andme uh breakdown can change over time
400:23 andme uh breakdown can change over time and also why it can change through space
400:25 and also why it can change through space because given locations might not be at
400:27 because given locations might not be at like genes may not be as endemic to
400:29 like genes may not be as endemic to specific locations as we once thought
400:31 specific locations as we once thought that they were. Um, then on top of all
400:34 that they were. Um, then on top of all of that, the the scientific reasons why
400:36 of that, the the scientific reasons why your data might have why your breakdown
400:38 your data might have why your breakdown may have changed over time, we have the
400:41 may have changed over time, we have the issue of this is a for-profit service
400:44 issue of this is a for-profit service that is attempting to parse the DNA of
400:47 that is attempting to parse the DNA of an individual of which they get tens of
400:50 an individual of which they get tens of thousands of, maybe even gosh, maybe
400:52 thousands of, maybe even gosh, maybe even hundreds of thousands across the
400:54 even hundreds of thousands across the year, right? There's going to be error
400:56 year, right? There's going to be error and they're also generalizations.
400:58 and they're also generalizations. So, it's hard to say which of those this
401:02 So, it's hard to say which of those this actually boils down to, but one of my
401:05 actually boils down to, but one of my professors, she's actually she's a
401:07 professors, she's actually she's a former boss, a former professor and a
401:09 former boss, a former professor and a former boss of mine, she sent her DNA
401:12 former boss of mine, she sent her DNA off to like three different places. And
401:14 off to like three different places. And the results were close between like
401:16 the results were close between like 23me, ancestry.com, and whatever the
401:18 23me, ancestry.com, and whatever the third one was, but they weren't
401:19 third one was, but they weren't identical. And that's also because these
401:22 identical. And that's also because these companies are not working off of the
401:23 companies are not working off of the same data set, right? So, it's it's one
401:26 same data set, right? So, it's it's one of those things where it could be any of
401:28 of those things where it could be any of those. It could be all of those. And all
401:30 those. It could be all of those. And all of that can break can lead to the sort
401:31 of that can break can lead to the sort of um minutia changing in your results.
401:36 of um minutia changing in your results. Especially what what really to me rings
401:38 Especially what what really to me rings true, Elijah, about the um about the the
401:42 true, Elijah, about the um about the the first hypothesis I gave, the idea that a
401:44 first hypothesis I gave, the idea that a lot of this has to do with like we're
401:45 lot of this has to do with like we're refining where genes come from, like
401:48 refining where genes come from, like whether or not they're truly isolated to
401:49 whether or not they're truly isolated to a given location or whether they're more
401:51 a given location or whether they're more widespread than we previously thought.
401:53 widespread than we previously thought. has got to be that switch between like
401:55 has got to be that switch between like Scottish, English, Welsh, Irish, right?
401:58 Scottish, English, Welsh, Irish, right? Like those four areas. It I I'm actually
402:01 Like those four areas. It I I'm actually shocked that they have any genes that
402:03 shocked that they have any genes that they can assign to those given locations
402:04 they can assign to those given locations in the first place because the UK is a
402:07 in the first place because the UK is a pretty small area, right? Like the the
402:09 pretty small area, right? Like the the people who are living in these locations
402:11 people who are living in these locations are doing a lot of introgressing into
402:12 are doing a lot of introgressing into one another's populations. Um so that
402:16 one another's populations. Um so that would be my guess as to why your results
402:18 would be my guess as to why your results have changed over time. The only way to
402:20 have changed over time. The only way to know for sure would be if you were to
402:22 know for sure would be if you were to have your DNA fully sequenced because
402:24 have your DNA fully sequenced because these companies don't fully sequence it.
402:26 these companies don't fully sequence it. They sort of rush job sequence it and
402:28 They sort of rush job sequence it and then again look for those classic
402:30 then again look for those classic archetypal markers. If you were to fully
402:32 archetypal markers. If you were to fully sequence it and send it off to like
402:35 sequence it and send it off to like thousand genomes project or something
402:36 thousand genomes project or something like that and they would be able to give
402:38 like that and they would be able to give you a much more solid um estimate. Does
402:40 you a much more solid um estimate. Does that make sense?
402:47 >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh that makes that makes a lot of sense. Um,
402:50 lot of sense. Um, and you just mentioned the thousand the
402:53 and you just mentioned the thousand the thousand chinos project. I'm I'm looking
402:55 thousand chinos project. I'm I'm looking up that right now. Um, is that is that
402:58 up that right now. Um, is that is that one of the is that one of the DNA tests
403:01 one of the is that one of the DNA tests where you're going to have to pay like
403:03 where you're going to have to pay like like I think like up to like maybe $500
403:07 like I think like up to like maybe $500 cuz I I once watched a video of them
403:09 cuz I I once watched a video of them talking about like I think like five or
403:12 talking about like I think like five or 10 different uh ancestry test
403:16 10 different uh ancestry test >> right
403:16 >> right >> uh companies and uh they were saying
403:18 >> uh companies and uh they were saying that you can pay from anywhere from a
403:21 that you can pay from anywhere from a hundred all the way to like I think $700
403:23 hundred all the way to like I think $700 which is crazy.
403:26 which is crazy. So the human or the thousand genomes
403:28 So the human or the thousand genomes project is sort of the successor. It's
403:31 project is sort of the successor. It's kind of a spiritual successor to the
403:32 kind of a spiritual successor to the human genome project. So the human
403:34 human genome project. So the human genome was first sequenced. We got like
403:36 genome was first sequenced. We got like a reference genome in 2001
403:40 a reference genome in 2001 2002 thereabouts maybe like 2000. So
403:43 2002 thereabouts maybe like 2000. So sequencing genomes used to be a lot more
403:45 sequencing genomes used to be a lot more expensive. As technology has gotten
403:46 expensive. As technology has gotten better we've been able to sequence
403:48 better we've been able to sequence genomes faster and so we can sequence
403:49 genomes faster and so we can sequence more of them so we can innovate more.
403:51 more of them so we can innovate more. And so now we have a larger data set to
403:53 And so now we have a larger data set to pull from. And in doing that, we've been
403:55 pull from. And in doing that, we've been able to appreciate the diversity of our
403:57 able to appreciate the diversity of our species a lot better. What that means is
404:00 species a lot better. What that means is that the thousand genomes project
404:02 that the thousand genomes project emerged as an attempt to sort of
404:04 emerged as an attempt to sort of characterize general regions and
404:06 characterize general regions and populations on the basis of their
404:08 populations on the basis of their genomes to better help us with disease
404:11 genomes to better help us with disease that tends to plague certain areas.
404:13 that tends to plague certain areas. Right? So the thousand genomes project
404:15 Right? So the thousand genomes project was then succeeded by I think the I
404:19 was then succeeded by I think the I think it's the 10K genomes project which
404:21 think it's the 10K genomes project which is like an even bigger um genome sort of
404:26 is like an even bigger um genome sort of coalation project where they're like
404:28 coalation project where they're like okay you know we've gotten one
404:29 okay you know we've gotten one representative human to submit their
404:30 representative human to submit their genome from you know uh Brazil and from
404:34 genome from you know uh Brazil and from South Africa and from Thailand and from
404:37 South Africa and from Thailand and from Mongolia and whatever. And now they want
404:39 Mongolia and whatever. And now they want to get a bunch of people from each of
404:41 to get a bunch of people from each of those areas so that they can understand
404:42 those areas so that they can understand the variation in each of those areas and
404:45 the variation in each of those areas and better characterize our our species
404:47 better characterize our our species diversity across space and time. So the
404:49 diversity across space and time. So the 10k genomes project, if I'm
404:52 10k genomes project, if I'm correctly, it's not a a
404:57 correctly, it's not a a clipping. Okay, there we go. It's not a
404:58 clipping. Okay, there we go. It's not a service that you pay for. Instead, it's
405:00 service that you pay for. Instead, it's a it's a scientific um like what's the
405:04 a it's a scientific um like what's the word I'm looking for? It's sort of like
405:05 word I'm looking for? It's sort of like this this major pro not like a
405:07 this this major pro not like a symposium. It's a major project that's
405:09 symposium. It's a major project that's attempting uh internationally to to
405:11 attempting uh internationally to to accomplish a very large goal. What I'm
405:13 accomplish a very large goal. What I'm saying is if you were to send your
405:15 saying is if you were to send your results or if you were to get your
405:16 results or if you were to get your genome sequenced, you could
405:18 genome sequenced, you could theoretically reach out to one of the
405:19 theoretically reach out to one of the authors um not one of the authors but
405:22 authors um not one of the authors but one of like the lead collaborators on
405:24 one of like the lead collaborators on that and be like, "Hey, could you guys
405:26 that and be like, "Hey, could you guys take a look?" Um you'd be surprised how
405:28 take a look?" Um you'd be surprised how many scientists are willing to just be
405:30 many scientists are willing to just be like, "Okay, yeah, like let's let's
405:32 like, "Okay, yeah, like let's let's stick it into our fogyny and see how it
405:34 stick it into our fogyny and see how it hashes out." um if they were willing to
405:36 hashes out." um if they were willing to do that, it would be free.
405:42 >> Free >> if they're willing to do it. Because
405:43 >> if they're willing to do it. Because what you're basically doing is you're
405:44 what you're basically doing is you're reaching out to an author and you're
405:45 reaching out to an author and you're saying, "Hey, can I give you my genome
405:46 saying, "Hey, can I give you my genome and can you tell me where it maps?" Um
405:50 and can you tell me where it maps?" Um at the very least, what I'll say is if
405:52 at the very least, what I'll say is if if they were to say no, which would be
405:55 if they were to say no, which would be potentially likely since they don't know
405:56 potentially likely since they don't know who you are, the genome sequencing
406:01 who you are, the genome sequencing technology that we have gets better year
406:03 technology that we have gets better year over year. You could theoretically do
406:05 over year. You could theoretically do exactly what you've done with one of
406:06 exactly what you've done with one of these major companies about five years
406:08 these major companies about five years from now and you'll get much more
406:09 from now and you'll get much more precise results because that's going to
406:11 precise results because that's going to be after the 10k genomes project is
406:13 be after the 10k genomes project is finished and after we've better
406:14 finished and after we've better characterized each locality. That's
406:16 characterized each locality. That's probably the more realistic route to go
406:19 probably the more realistic route to go about.
406:22 about. Does that make sense?
406:22 Does that make sense? >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of
406:25 >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. I might
406:26 sense. I might >> I hate
406:28 >> I hate >> Yeah. I hate to burst your bubble cuz
406:29 >> Yeah. I hate to burst your bubble cuz it's like I wish I could I wish I could
406:32 it's like I wish I could I wish I could say yeah, you know, go to this company.
406:33 say yeah, you know, go to this company. This is the most accurate company and
406:35 This is the most accurate company and also it's the cheapest. But even though
406:37 also it's the cheapest. But even though DNA sequencing technology has gotten a
406:39 DNA sequencing technology has gotten a lot better, it's sort of a pick one. You
406:41 lot better, it's sort of a pick one. You know, you have to either pay a lot and
406:42 know, you have to either pay a lot and get a really accurate one or get a sort
406:45 get a really accurate one or get a sort of ballpark estimate of your ancestry
406:48 of ballpark estimate of your ancestry and pay $100. You know what I mean? like
406:50 and pay $100. You know what I mean? like we're not quite to the point that the
406:52 we're not quite to the point that the technology hasn't reached that point
406:53 technology hasn't reached that point quite yet for the average Joe like us to
406:56 quite yet for the average Joe like us to be able to just send your DNA off and
406:58 be able to just send your DNA off and and get it sequenced. But what I will
406:59 and get it sequenced. But what I will say, Elijah, and keep this in mind as
407:01 say, Elijah, and keep this in mind as you move forward, make sure you look
407:03 you move forward, make sure you look really close into whoever you're sending
407:04 really close into whoever you're sending your DNA off to. Uh because some of
407:07 your DNA off to. Uh because some of these companies can be kind of shady.
407:09 these companies can be kind of shady. Make sure that you're not sending your
407:10 Make sure that you're not sending your DNA off to somebody who's going to
407:12 DNA off to somebody who's going to later, you know, bankrupt and then sell
407:14 later, you know, bankrupt and then sell their data of of tens of thousands of
407:16 their data of of tens of thousands of people's genetic information to like an
407:18 people's genetic information to like an insurance company or something and then
407:20 insurance company or something and then they could use that as an excuse to
407:21 they could use that as an excuse to raise your rates. So just be careful who
407:23 raise your rates. So just be careful who you share your DNA with. But I can
407:26 you share your DNA with. But I can certainly understand the desire to want
407:28 certainly understand the desire to want to know a little more about your
407:29 to know a little more about your history. It's cool, right?
407:33 history. It's cool, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Um,
407:36 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty cool. Um, you said you said that uh that the shady
407:40 you said you said that uh that the shady companies can like steal your uh DNA and
407:44 companies can like steal your uh DNA and then sell it and then like raise your
407:46 then sell it and then like raise your rate. Uh, do you mean like do you mean
407:48 rate. Uh, do you mean like do you mean like they'll they'll raise the price of
407:51 like they'll they'll raise the price of your monthly subscription? Like I'm I'm
407:54 your monthly subscription? Like I'm I'm confused. Like what do you mean?
407:55 confused. Like what do you mean? >> No. No. So, this this is a real concern
407:57 >> No. No. So, this this is a real concern with DNA companies because these DNA
408:00 with DNA companies because these DNA companies showed up kind of out of the
408:02 companies showed up kind of out of the blue. And the idea is that it's like,
408:03 blue. And the idea is that it's like, you know, they're going to provide you
408:05 you know, they're going to provide you with in the in some cases medical
408:06 with in the in some cases medical information, in others, family
408:09 information, in others, family information about, you know, where where
408:11 information about, you know, where where your ancestors hail from or, you know,
408:13 your ancestors hail from or, you know, where you can call home or what you're
408:15 where you can call home or what you're higher at risk for medically wise
408:17 higher at risk for medically wise because there are certain populations of
408:19 because there are certain populations of people that have higher risks for
408:20 people that have higher risks for certain pathologies than others. This is
408:23 certain pathologies than others. This is just the a fact of human population
408:25 just the a fact of human population variation. But the concern is is that if
408:28 variation. But the concern is is that if you have a company that is getting tens
408:30 you have a company that is getting tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of
408:32 of thousands or hundreds of thousands of people who are sending in their DNA
408:34 people who are sending in their DNA information every year and they're
408:36 information every year and they're taking that information and then sending
408:38 taking that information and then sending the information back to you, they still
408:41 the information back to you, they still have that information stored somewhere.
408:43 have that information stored somewhere. So, the concern that's being raised in
408:45 So, the concern that's being raised in uh the scientific community is that
408:47 uh the scientific community is that since these are for-profit companies, if
408:49 since these are for-profit companies, if they ever sell to somebody bigger, then
408:52 they ever sell to somebody bigger, then whoever they sell to now has access to
408:54 whoever they sell to now has access to all of that information, and that new
408:57 all of that information, and that new company is only beholden to whatever
408:58 company is only beholden to whatever contract you signed at the time when you
409:00 contract you signed at the time when you send your DNA off. So, if there's not a
409:02 send your DNA off. So, if there's not a specific clause or something like that
409:04 specific clause or something like that when you send your DNA off that's like,
409:06 when you send your DNA off that's like, I do not give you permission to use my
409:08 I do not give you permission to use my DNA or or give my DNA to anybody unless
409:10 DNA or or give my DNA to anybody unless I explicitly say so, then theoretically,
409:13 I explicitly say so, then theoretically, and this is the concern, the new company
409:16 and this is the concern, the new company could take large sums of money from
409:18 could take large sums of money from medical insurance companies and then
409:21 medical insurance companies and then give your information to them. And then
409:24 give your information to them. And then those medical insurance companies could
409:25 those medical insurance companies could take your genetic information which may
409:27 take your genetic information which may show that you have a predisposition to,
409:29 show that you have a predisposition to, you know, diabetes or to, you know,
409:32 you know, diabetes or to, you know, leukemia or this that or the other
409:34 leukemia or this that or the other thing. I'm not sure what specific
409:35 thing. I'm not sure what specific dispositions exist out there to like
409:37 dispositions exist out there to like deny your claims like when you go to the
409:40 deny your claims like when you go to the doctor. You see what I mean? It's super
409:42 doctor. You see what I mean? It's super sketchy and I don't think it's happening
409:44 sketchy and I don't think it's happening yet. But this is a worry because no one
409:48 yet. But this is a worry because no one had any idea that these DNA sequencing
409:50 had any idea that these DNA sequencing companies were going to take off the way
409:51 companies were going to take off the way that they did. And so these DNA
409:53 that they did. And so these DNA sequencing companies
409:55 sequencing companies protections for well I shouldn't say all
409:58 protections for well I shouldn't say all of them some of them have good
410:00 of them some of them have good protections but some of the the cheaper
410:02 protections but some of the the cheaper ones didn't put protections in for their
410:04 ones didn't put protections in for their customers that are like we promise to
410:07 customers that are like we promise to not sell your DNA to somebody who who
410:09 not sell your DNA to somebody who who can then use it to deny you an insurance
410:10 can then use it to deny you an insurance claim. Um I suspect but I don't know
410:14 claim. Um I suspect but I don't know that we'll have a lawsuit about that
410:16 that we'll have a lawsuit about that eventually.
410:19 Oh >> okay. Yeah. Uh, I remember I remember
410:22 >> okay. Yeah. Uh, I remember I remember when I first signed up for it, it had
410:25 when I first signed up for it, it had asked me uh uh am I okay with them uh
410:30 asked me uh uh am I okay with them uh using my DNA to further study uh I think
410:35 using my DNA to further study uh I think it said human ancestry and like human
410:38 it said human ancestry and like human evolution for for like scientific
410:41 evolution for for like scientific research and I said uh sure and uh I
410:44 research and I said uh sure and uh I gave them permission for it. So
410:48 gave them permission for it. So >> that's probably that's probably fine.
410:50 >> that's probably that's probably fine. What's probably going on with that I
410:52 What's probably going on with that I again I don't know this for certain. I'm
410:54 again I don't know this for certain. I'm not a lawyer. But what I imagine is
410:55 not a lawyer. But what I imagine is going on with that is that some big
410:57 going on with that is that some big consortium that was the word I was
410:58 consortium that was the word I was looking for earlier. Some big consortium
411:00 looking for earlier. Some big consortium probably has made a deal with some of
411:03 probably has made a deal with some of these companies that it's like if people
411:04 these companies that it's like if people allow it they can include it in their
411:06 allow it they can include it in their genome research um for creating human uh
411:09 genome research um for creating human uh fogynies and things of that nature.
411:11 fogynies and things of that nature. That's probably safe. The kind of thing
411:13 That's probably safe. The kind of thing that I'm talking about is like this
411:16 that I'm talking about is like this would be lurking in like the fine print,
411:18 would be lurking in like the fine print, you know, it would be something along
411:19 you know, it would be something along the lines of like I don't give you
411:21 the lines of like I don't give you permission to share my DNA if this
411:23 permission to share my DNA if this company gets acquired by somebody else.
411:25 company gets acquired by somebody else. You know what I mean? Um,
411:27 You know what I mean? Um, >> right.
411:27 >> right. >> So, if you give them permission to use
411:28 >> So, if you give them permission to use it in research, that's probably fine.
411:31 it in research, that's probably fine. There's also been some interesting cases
411:33 There's also been some interesting cases where people have allowed their DNA to
411:35 where people have allowed their DNA to be used in like in like um legal cases,
411:39 be used in like in like um legal cases, you know, where like some killers have
411:41 you know, where like some killers have been caught because it's like somebody's
411:42 been caught because it's like somebody's like some killer's brother's cousin put
411:45 like some killer's brother's cousin put their DNA into like ancestry.com and
411:47 their DNA into like ancestry.com and then they were able to like trace it up
411:48 then they were able to like trace it up to to who the killer was, which
411:51 to to who the killer was, which >> I can see pros and cons to that. But um
411:54 >> I can see pros and cons to that. But um >> that's that's the people in chat have
411:56 >> that's that's the people in chat have been saying that a lot is that the
411:57 been saying that a lot is that the government and the police can also use
411:59 government and the police can also use your information and without your
412:00 your information and without your consent and without your knowledge
412:02 consent and without your knowledge >> and
412:03 >> and >> plus side you might solve some crimes
412:05 >> plus side you might solve some crimes downside that will probably be used for
412:08 downside that will probably be used for profiling and so like you got to be
412:09 profiling and so like you got to be careful.
412:12 careful. >> Oh okay I see.
412:20 >> Sorry this answer your questions? >> Yeah. Did that answer your question?
412:23 >> Yeah. Did that answer your question? >> Cool. Yeah. Yeah, it it it uh definitely
412:25 >> Cool. Yeah. Yeah, it it it uh definitely answered my my questions. Um yeah, so
412:29 answered my my questions. Um yeah, so I'm I'mma definitely look into those
412:32 I'm I'mma definitely look into those other companies that you mentioned. Uh I
412:35 other companies that you mentioned. Uh I I guess five years from now because you
412:37 I guess five years from now because you said it's best to wait five years once
412:39 said it's best to wait five years once once the technology advances more for
412:41 once the technology advances more for more accurate more accurate u results
412:44 more accurate more accurate u results and stuff.
412:45 and stuff. >> That's that's a ballpark. It I could be
412:49 >> That's that's a ballpark. It I could be Excuse me. Goodness, I keep wanting to
412:50 Excuse me. Goodness, I keep wanting to say things right after I take a big bite
412:51 say things right after I take a big bite of food. Um, my advice would be just
412:54 of food. Um, my advice would be just keep your eyes on these major
412:56 keep your eyes on these major publications. When the 10K genomes
412:59 publications. When the 10K genomes project, again, I think that's what it's
413:01 project, again, I think that's what it's called,
413:03 called, um, publishes their next big round of
413:05 um, publishes their next big round of results, you're going to know, right?
413:07 results, you're going to know, right? Like that that's going to be a big news
413:09 Like that that's going to be a big news day within science and and they'll
413:11 day within science and and they'll probably incorporate that into a lot of
413:14 probably incorporate that into a lot of these companies. So, you'll get a lot of
413:16 these companies. So, you'll get a lot of people talking about how it's a good
413:18 people talking about how it's a good time to to send it in again. It could
413:20 time to to send it in again. It could five years is my ballpark. It could be
413:22 five years is my ballpark. It could be shorter. It could be three. It could be
413:23 shorter. It could be three. It could be two. It could be next year. Who knows?
413:25 two. It could be next year. Who knows? Again, it's hard to say how fast this
413:28 Again, it's hard to say how fast this technology is advancing, how quickly
413:30 technology is advancing, how quickly you're going to be able to get your
413:31 you're going to be able to get your results for this, but just keep an eye
413:32 results for this, but just keep an eye on it.
413:40 >> Okay, I will. Um and and uh I I have one more question uh before I go. So, um,
413:44 more question uh before I go. So, um, there's this there's this YouTube
413:47 there's this there's this YouTube channel and I know that you guys like to
413:51 channel and I know that you guys like to do uh reaction videos to
413:54 do uh reaction videos to uh pseudocientific stuff. Uh there's
413:56 uh pseudocientific stuff. Uh there's this YouTube channel that made a few
414:00 this YouTube channel that made a few videos about human evolution and uh he's
414:04 videos about human evolution and uh he's he's a a young earth creationist and uh
414:08 he's a a young earth creationist and uh I think that you uh especially Erica
414:11 I think that you uh especially Erica would would be interested in like
414:13 would would be interested in like reacting into to uh debunking something
414:16 reacting into to uh debunking something like that. But uh uh
414:18 like that. But uh uh >> what's the channel name? Do you know?
414:20 >> what's the channel name? Do you know? >> I'm sorry. Say that again.
414:23 >> I'm sorry. Say that again. >> Sorry. What's the channel name? Do you
414:24 >> Sorry. What's the channel name? Do you know?
414:26 know? Yeah, it's called uh Woodward TV
414:30 Yeah, it's called uh Woodward TV and
414:30 and >> Woodward PZ.
414:33 >> Woodward PZ. >> Yes,
414:34 >> Yes, >> Roger that.
414:35 >> Roger that. >> And and um I'm looking at it right now.
414:38 >> And and um I'm looking at it right now. Um the video is called Human Evolution
414:42 Um the video is called Human Evolution Prehistoric Man. Um, I didn't
414:46 Prehistoric Man. Um, I didn't I didn't watch the full video yet, but
414:49 I didn't watch the full video yet, but on
414:52 on if you go to the if you if you go to the
414:55 if you go to the if you if you go to the info
414:57 info >> um on on the video, uh, I'm reading it
415:00 >> um on on the video, uh, I'm reading it right now. It says, I'm going to focus
415:02 right now. It says, I'm going to focus on why,
415:04 on why, no, no, he says, we're going to take a
415:06 no, no, he says, we're going to take a brief look at why the existence of
415:07 brief look at why the existence of humans before humans is one of the
415:09 humans before humans is one of the greatest mysteries yet to be agreed upon
415:11 greatest mysteries yet to be agreed upon and solved. I'm going to mainly focus on
415:13 and solved. I'm going to mainly focus on why no one has solved this puzzle and no
415:16 why no one has solved this puzzle and no and why
415:17 and why >> why no one ever will.
415:19 >> why no one ever will. >> Yeah.
415:20 >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I found it. And I'm seeing like
415:22 >> Yeah, I found it. And I'm seeing like right off the I I have the video muted,
415:24 right off the I I have the video muted, but I'm scrolling through. We've got
415:25 but I'm scrolling through. We've got pictures of Homo erectus fossils. We've
415:28 pictures of Homo erectus fossils. We've got um like I guess we're going over
415:32 got um like I guess we're going over picanthropus as like a concept. Now
415:34 picanthropus as like a concept. Now we've got uh the human origins uh page
415:37 we've got uh the human origins uh page on uh the Smithsonian's website talking
415:41 on uh the Smithsonian's website talking about DNA and the first Neanderls. Uh
415:44 about DNA and the first Neanderls. Uh who knows what this all that's a huge
415:46 who knows what this all that's a huge portion of the video is dedicated to
415:47 portion of the video is dedicated to that. Uh now we've got some more
415:50 that. Uh now we've got some more Neanderls.
415:51 Neanderls. >> This is like all AI, right? Like am I
415:53 >> This is like all AI, right? Like am I looking at the same channel? Woodward
415:55 looking at the same channel? Woodward TV.
415:56 TV. >> Yeah, Woodward TV. The the the cap or
415:59 >> Yeah, Woodward TV. The the the cap or the thumbnail is AI and the first few
416:00 the thumbnail is AI and the first few seconds are AI, but the rest of this is
416:02 seconds are AI, but the rest of this is not AI. That said, uh at the end here we
416:06 not AI. That said, uh at the end here we have an ad for natural uh detoxing. Uh
416:10 have an ad for natural uh detoxing. Uh get the good inside. Natural detox your
416:14 get the good inside. Natural detox your pure pure body oils and things. Um pure
416:18 pure pure body oils and things. Um pure you can spray this in your mouth and and
416:20 you can spray this in your mouth and and cure your diseases. So this dude is is I
416:23 cure your diseases. So this dude is is I don't know what the video is about. I
416:24 don't know what the video is about. I said I I don't have the sound on. I'm
416:26 said I I don't have the sound on. I'm just looking at what's on the screen
416:27 just looking at what's on the screen here. And yes, we open with an AI
416:29 here. And yes, we open with an AI picture and we end with homeopathy or
416:33 picture and we end with homeopathy or whatever.
416:34 whatever. So, I'm not
416:36 So, I'm not >> This is the most This is the most AI
416:38 >> This is the most This is the most AI slop of AI slop that I've seen from
416:40 slop of AI slop that I've seen from someone who's actually tried to put an
416:42 someone who's actually tried to put an effort to create a video after the first
416:44 effort to create a video after the first three minutes. This This is actually
416:46 three minutes. This This is actually crazy. Um Elijah, I'll take a look. This
416:49 crazy. Um Elijah, I'll take a look. This This might be funny to react to at some
416:50 This might be funny to react to at some point.
416:53 point. >> Yeah. and and um you you for mentioning
416:58 >> Yeah. and and um you you for mentioning uh him talking about that uh taking that
417:01 uh him talking about that uh taking that stuff to heal whatever you have. It just
417:03 stuff to heal whatever you have. It just reminded me to ask you guys about this.
417:06 reminded me to ask you guys about this. So, what do you guys think about um what
417:08 So, what do you guys think about um what are those doctors called? Um I think
417:11 are those doctors called? Um I think they're called natural natural doctors.
417:16 they're called natural natural doctors. >> Naturopath
417:17 >> Naturopath >> I Yeah, I think so. where like where
417:20 >> I Yeah, I think so. where like where like they give you like alternative
417:22 like they give you like alternative medicines for like and and like and like
417:24 medicines for like and and like and like they use like I think I think certain
417:26 they use like I think I think certain plants or something like that to heal
417:27 plants or something like that to heal you instead of instead of going to the
417:29 you instead of instead of going to the doctor and use medications. Um do you
417:32 doctor and use medications. Um do you think that's uh reliable or do you think
417:35 think that's uh reliable or do you think that's like pseudocience?
417:37 that's like pseudocience? >> It is pseudocience. If it worked they
417:39 >> It is pseudocience. If it worked they would teach it in medical school. If it
417:40 would teach it in medical school. If it worked, it would just be science. But it
417:42 worked, it would just be science. But it doesn't. And all it is is people who
417:45 doesn't. And all it is is people who don't want to put in the effort to learn
417:47 don't want to put in the effort to learn actual medicine and who prey upon folks
417:50 actual medicine and who prey upon folks who are disillusioned with actual
417:52 who are disillusioned with actual medicine. You have somebody who has a
417:53 medicine. You have somebody who has a chronic illness, who hasn't gotten a lot
417:55 chronic illness, who hasn't gotten a lot of success out of their doctor, who's
417:57 of success out of their doctor, who's frustrated with the insurance system in
417:59 frustrated with the insurance system in this country, who's frustrated with the
418:01 this country, who's frustrated with the referral system in this country, who's
418:03 referral system in this country, who's frustrated and and disillusioned and
418:06 frustrated and and disillusioned and scared and sad and and alone and feels
418:09 scared and sad and and alone and feels like they're not being heard. And these
418:11 like they're not being heard. And these [ __ ] vultures swoop in and say, "You
418:14 [ __ ] vultures swoop in and say, "You can heal your diseases. You just need to
418:16 can heal your diseases. You just need to eat enough [ __ ] turmeric and blah
418:18 eat enough [ __ ] turmeric and blah blah blah." And sometimes they say real
418:21 blah blah." And sometimes they say real things like turmeric is
418:22 things like turmeric is anti-inflammatory and they don't say
418:25 anti-inflammatory and they don't say that like you need to eat about 10
418:26 that like you need to eat about 10 pounds of the [ __ ] to get the
418:28 pounds of the [ __ ] to get the anti-inflammatory benefit of an aspirin,
418:30 anti-inflammatory benefit of an aspirin, but it is anti-inflammatory.
418:33 but it is anti-inflammatory. And uh they they just [ __ ] people
418:35 And uh they they just [ __ ] people and sell them nonsense. And you will
418:38 and sell them nonsense. And you will notice that they always always always
418:40 notice that they always always always always have a big asterisk on there
418:43 always have a big asterisk on there saying this is not medical advice and
418:45 saying this is not medical advice and you should always take take your health
418:48 you should always take take your health into your own hands. I'm not telling you
418:50 into your own hands. I'm not telling you anything. I'm telling you I'm giving you
418:52 anything. I'm telling you I'm giving you options and it's yours to decide. It's
418:54 options and it's yours to decide. It's all the the freedom is with you. You are
418:56 all the the freedom is with you. You are free to take charge of your own health.
418:59 free to take charge of your own health. And all of these things are just
419:00 And all of these things are just shifting the burden of responsibility
419:02 shifting the burden of responsibility and giving themselves plausible
419:03 and giving themselves plausible deniability. Um they're [ __ ] evil.
419:06 deniability. Um they're [ __ ] evil. So, no, they're they're not serious.
419:09 So, no, they're they're not serious. >> Like, do they do they think people never
419:10 >> Like, do they do they think people never tried that? Like, do you think nobody
419:12 tried that? Like, do you think nobody ever picked up turmeric and was like,
419:14 ever picked up turmeric and was like, I'm gonna eat this and see if this makes
419:15 I'm gonna eat this and see if this makes me feel better? Like, 10,000 years ago,
419:18 me feel better? Like, 10,000 years ago, you know, and that they're rediscovering
419:20 you know, and that they're rediscovering these basic these basic cures that are
419:23 these basic these basic cures that are rivaling modern medicine where we're
419:25 rivaling modern medicine where we're talking about tens of thousands of hours
419:26 talking about tens of thousands of hours of trial and error with countless test
419:29 of trial and error with countless test subjects on model organisms. I mean,
419:31 subjects on model organisms. I mean, they're my inclination is that they're
419:33 they're my inclination is that they're scamming. Um,
419:35 scamming. Um, >> yeah,
419:35 >> yeah, >> and that's a nice way of putting it. I
419:37 >> and that's a nice way of putting it. I think I I would not trust these guys.
419:40 think I I would not trust these guys. Um, I wouldn't trust them to to clean a
419:43 Um, I wouldn't trust them to to clean a window to be honest.
419:45 window to be honest. >> But that's me.
419:46 >> But that's me. >> It's rough.
419:48 >> It's rough. >> Anyway, Elijah, we're going to jump on
419:49 >> Anyway, Elijah, we're going to jump on the next call, but I hope this has been
419:51 the next call, but I hope this has been helpful to you.
419:52 helpful to you. >> Thank you, Elijah.
419:53 >> Thank you, Elijah. >> Yeah. Yeah, it has. Uhhuh. Thank you so
419:57 >> Yeah. Yeah, it has. Uhhuh. Thank you so much for taking my call and uh I hope
419:59 much for taking my call and uh I hope you too have a a great rest of your
420:01 you too have a a great rest of your night.
420:02 night. >> You too. Take care.
420:05 >> You too. Take care. I've been wearing this uh I've been
420:08 I've been wearing this uh I've been wearing this Palestine bracelet on
420:11 wearing this Palestine bracelet on streams and stuff for a long time. I
420:13 streams and stuff for a long time. I bought it months and months ago and I
420:15 bought it months and months ago and I love it because it's a great way for me
420:17 love it because it's a great way for me to like have a little representation
420:18 to like have a little representation whenever I go to a convention or I'm
420:20 whenever I go to a convention or I'm doing a speech or something like that
420:21 doing a speech or something like that without having to like, you know, be
420:23 without having to like, you know, be obnoxious and yell at people, but like I
420:26 obnoxious and yell at people, but like I want people to know where I stand on
420:27 want people to know where I stand on things. Um, and I just stood up a second
420:29 things. Um, and I just stood up a second ago to because I got a notification that
420:32 ago to because I got a notification that this rainbowy one and this trans one
420:35 this rainbowy one and this trans one just showed up as well. So now I can
420:36 just showed up as well. So now I can wear these to conventions and [ __ ] and
420:38 wear these to conventions and [ __ ] and continue to piss off people who when I
420:41 continue to piss off people who when I come to I love the people who come to
420:43 come to I love the people who come to see me speak and then they get mad
420:45 see me speak and then they get mad whenever I have like opinions about
420:47 whenever I have like opinions about social issues and things and I've gotten
420:49 social issues and things and I've gotten approached before. They were like, I
420:50 approached before. They were like, I love your stuff, but why are you saying
420:52 love your stuff, but why are you saying that [ __ ] about Palestine? There's no
420:53 that [ __ ] about Palestine? There's no genocide. There's this has been
420:54 genocide. There's this has been debunked. It's like it starts
420:56 debunked. It's like it starts conversation. And now I can do the same
420:57 conversation. And now I can do the same things with these as well.
420:59 things with these as well. >> You made it political, Forest. You made
421:01 >> You made it political, Forest. You made it political. It didn't have to be
421:02 it political. It didn't have to be political. You made it political. Life's
421:04 political. You made it political. Life's political. Get over it. Hold on, though.
421:06 political. Get over it. Hold on, though. Hold on, though. Hold the phone.
421:08 Hold on, though. Hold the phone. >> Now I'm irritated.
421:10 >> Now I'm irritated. >> How long has this been our name
421:12 >> How long has this been our name descriptions?
421:13 descriptions? >> How long has this been, Erica? I know I
421:15 >> How long has this been, Erica? I know I always say I'm not a furry, but
421:16 always say I'm not a furry, but obviously I am. Gibbon. That's not true.
421:20 obviously I am. Gibbon. That's not true. >> It's
421:21 >> It's >> She does say she's a furry quite often.
421:22 >> She does say she's a furry quite often. She admits to it. She's She's open about
421:24 She admits to it. She's She's open about it. She doesn't hide it.
421:26 it. She doesn't hide it. >> No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I
421:28 >> No. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I I don't have the style for that kind of
421:30 I don't have the style for that kind of thing. Like my my little character is
421:32 thing. Like my my little character is not It doesn't have the furry style. It
421:34 not It doesn't have the furry style. It is a weird color though. I will give you
421:35 is a weird color though. I will give you guys that. It's got this sort of It's
421:37 guys that. It's got this sort of It's giving neon wolf. I will admit that. I
421:39 giving neon wolf. I will admit that. I can own that. But as we've gone over
421:41 can own that. But as we've gone over many times, it's just so rare for a
421:44 many times, it's just so rare for a primate, let alone an anthropoid
421:46 primate, let alone an anthropoid primate, to be like a persona. It just
421:48 primate, to be like a persona. It just doesn't happen. Very much.
421:50 doesn't happen. Very much. >> I just
421:50 >> I just >> very much. All I have is my word.
421:53 >> very much. All I have is my word. Erica hates furries is what we're
421:55 Erica hates furries is what we're learning here because why else would she
421:56 learning here because why else would she pee so defensive about being called one.
421:59 pee so defensive about being called one. I think that's the issue for a huge
422:01 I think that's the issue for a huge portion of my audience. Don't anger
422:03 portion of my audience. Don't anger them.
422:04 them. >> I love the furries. I love the fries.
422:06 >> I love the furries. I love the fries. >> And I wonder why. And I wonder because
422:08 >> And I wonder why. And I wonder because birds of a feather.
422:11 birds of a feather. >> No, no, no, no. I I just I I know them
422:13 >> No, no, no, no. I I just I I know them well, you know. Certainly not in another
422:15 well, you know. Certainly not in another life.
422:17 life. >> Oh, please. Oh, please.
422:20 >> Oh, please. Oh, please. No one asked you to chime in. No. No.
422:24 No one asked you to chime in. No. No. >> Okay, hold on. I did have a promise. Let
422:26 >> Okay, hold on. I did have a promise. Let me show you guys my Let me show you guys
422:29 me show you guys my Let me show you guys my Enoch mask. Hold on. Got to put it
422:31 my Enoch mask. Hold on. Got to put it on.
422:33 on. All right.
422:35 All right. >> Jesus Christ.
422:38 >> Jesus Christ. >> Is it spooky?
422:39 >> Is it spooky? >> Nice. It's great. I like the fact that
422:43 >> Nice. It's great. I like the fact that you immediately you must have
422:45 you immediately you must have immediately known that the glasses were
422:47 immediately known that the glasses were a problem and you just kept going.
422:49 a problem and you just kept going. >> No, no, that's not true. I tried. I
422:51 >> No, no, that's not true. I tried. I first of all, I can't [ __ ] breathe.
422:53 first of all, I can't [ __ ] breathe. That is That's foul. It's so bad in
422:55 That is That's foul. It's so bad in there. Oh my god. Oh my god. That's so
422:58 there. Oh my god. Oh my god. That's so bad. I um No, I when I cut the hole in
423:02 bad. I um No, I when I cut the hole in the bottom because it didn't come it
423:04 the bottom because it didn't come it didn't come with the hole in the bottom.
423:06 didn't come with the hole in the bottom. I had to cut that myself. So, when it
423:08 I had to cut that myself. So, when it came with that um I I sized it. I have a
423:11 came with that um I I sized it. I have a very small head. So, I was like, I
423:12 very small head. So, I was like, I should be able to get it so that my
423:13 should be able to get it so that my glasses can fit in too. You can maneuver
423:16 glasses can fit in too. You can maneuver them to fit in there. It's just not
423:17 them to fit in there. It's just not easy.
423:18 easy. >> Anyways, what's our next call? What are
423:20 >> Anyways, what's our next call? What are we going with now that I've been um
423:24 we going with now that I've been um chastised by the by everybody in this
423:26 chastised by the by everybody in this room? Let's let's move on.
423:28 room? Let's let's move on. >> We have we have three people in the
423:30 >> We have we have three people in the queue and one person being screened
423:32 queue and one person being screened right now. Lines are still open and
423:34 right now. Lines are still open and we're here until at the ve at least
423:36 we're here until at the ve at least three more hours. And so like we we
423:38 three more hours. And so like we we planned to go
423:40 planned to go >> at the minimum three more hours. Um by
423:42 >> at the minimum three more hours. Um by the by I also had to stand up again. I'm
423:44 the by I also had to stand up again. I'm going to brag for a second. I bought a
423:46 going to brag for a second. I bought a [ __ ] oniri press y'all. I'm very
423:48 [ __ ] oniri press y'all. I'm very excited about this because I tried to
423:49 excited about this because I tried to make one of your
423:50 make one of your >> it again.
423:52 >> it again. >> It's It's This is the box.
423:54 >> It's It's This is the box. >> What is that? Oh. Oh, for the little
423:56 >> What is that? Oh. Oh, for the little rice ball thing.
423:57 rice ball thing. >> Little triangular rice, guys. Yeah.
424:00 >> Little triangular rice, guys. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay.
424:00 >> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. I bought a [ __ ] press and I'm
424:03 >> Yeah. I bought a [ __ ] press and I'm sad because I've tried to make them a
424:04 sad because I've tried to make them a couple of times and they always just
424:06 couple of times and they always just explode because I make them too fat.
424:09 explode because I make them too fat. >> And now I have a [ __ ] like I have two
424:11 >> And now I have a [ __ ] like I have two sizes of them.
424:13 sizes of them. >> What goes What goes in them? What What
424:16 >> What goes What goes in them? What What goes in a
424:18 goes in a rice. No, I mean like what goes with
424:22 rice. No, I mean like what goes with >> whatever you want.
424:23 >> whatever you want. >> Whatever goes with rice. Whatever goes
424:24 >> Whatever goes with rice. Whatever goes with rice.
424:25 with rice. >> You know, you know,
424:26 >> You know, you know, >> I would make like a spicy
424:28 >> I would make like a spicy >> I the last time I tried to make them, I
424:30 >> I the last time I tried to make them, I made like a spicy Connie salad, which
424:32 made like a spicy Connie salad, which was really dope. Um, and then before
424:35 was really dope. Um, and then before that, I've you can just do like t canned
424:37 that, I've you can just do like t canned tuna fish with a little bit of Qy mayo
424:39 tuna fish with a little bit of Qy mayo and Sriracha and some scallions. Um, not
424:41 and Sriracha and some scallions. Um, not for you. What was it? Get some
424:43 for you. What was it? Get some artificial crab meat. Rub it. Break it
424:45 artificial crab meat. Rub it. Break it apart into strings. Throw in some
424:47 apart into strings. Throw in some cucumber.
424:48 cucumber. >> Get some [ __ ] umaboshi plums. Some
424:50 >> Get some [ __ ] umaboshi plums. Some sour sour sweet plums.
424:53 sour sour sweet plums. >> You're like, you're like, h, what kind
424:55 >> You're like, you're like, h, what kind of thing? I'm just going to list things
424:57 of thing? I'm just going to list things that Erica hates or will kill her.
424:59 that Erica hates or will kill her. Imitation crab.
425:01 Imitation crab. >> Red bean paste. Imitation crab is just
425:04 >> Red bean paste. Imitation crab is just like Alaskan pollic with seasoning on
425:06 like Alaskan pollic with seasoning on it. It's It's not
425:08 it. It's It's not >> I watched Pokemon. I'm pretty sure those
425:10 >> I watched Pokemon. I'm pretty sure those are for jelly donuts.
425:12 are for jelly donuts. >> They're literally for jelly donuts.
425:14 >> They're literally for jelly donuts. That's so true, Ardan. Actually,
425:16 That's so true, Ardan. Actually, >> she's the nail on the head for that.
425:17 >> she's the nail on the head for that. Those are jelly. Those are jelly donuts.
425:21 Those are jelly. Those are jelly donuts. I love a jelly donut.
425:22 I love a jelly donut. >> Chicken people are putting out. Yes, you
425:25 >> Chicken people are putting out. Yes, you can put whatever you want in there for
425:26 can put whatever you want in there for real.
425:27 real. >> Good. A spicy chicken would be good. Or
425:30 >> Good. A spicy chicken would be good. Or like a um
425:31 like a um >> put some of that fried tofu in there or
425:33 >> put some of that fried tofu in there or something, you know? I I don't know,
425:34 something, you know? I I don't know, dude. Anything. First of all, first of
425:36 dude. Anything. First of all, first of all, I hate mayo. I'm not a mayo. I hate
425:39 all, I hate mayo. I'm not a mayo. I hate >> I hate mayo. I don't like tuna. I don't
425:42 >> I hate mayo. I don't like tuna. I don't like You know what? Honestly, I'm not a
425:44 like You know what? Honestly, I'm not a big cucumber gal.
425:46 big cucumber gal. >> And there's not that many foods that I
425:47 >> And there's not that many foods that I don't like. I'll eat a lot of different
425:49 don't like. I'll eat a lot of different foods. I will eat most foods. But you
425:51 foods. I will eat most foods. But you just listed I'm trying to think about
425:52 just listed I'm trying to think about what you might have said that that I
425:54 what you might have said that that I hate that wouldn't be on that list. Oh,
425:55 hate that wouldn't be on that list. Oh, I don't like ricotta cheese. It's too
425:57 I don't like ricotta cheese. It's too gritty. I don't like how
425:59 gritty. I don't like how >> How do you feel about how do you feel
426:00 >> How do you feel about how do you feel about sushi in general? You into sushi?
426:02 about sushi in general? You into sushi? >> I don't like it. No, I don't like it. I
426:04 >> I don't like it. No, I don't like it. I don't like sushi.
426:05 don't like sushi. >> All right. All right.
426:05 >> All right. All right. >> I don't like sushi at all. I would
426:07 >> I don't like sushi at all. I would >> I've literally I've been over here
426:08 >> I've literally I've been over here munching. I've got some edetamame that
426:10 munching. I've got some edetamame that I've been munching on this whole stream.
426:12 I've been munching on this whole stream. That thing for you.
426:13 That thing for you. >> I like fish. I know. I like edetamame.
426:15 >> I like fish. I know. I like edetamame. Edamame is great. Edamame is really
426:17 Edamame is great. Edamame is really good. And honestly, I like tofu. I like
426:20 good. And honestly, I like tofu. I like um most I like most fish actually. In
426:24 um most I like most fish actually. In fact, I like virtually all fish except
426:26 fact, I like virtually all fish except for tuna. Like there's something about
426:28 for tuna. Like there's something about tuna
426:29 tuna >> that just kind of rubs me the wrong way.
426:31 >> that just kind of rubs me the wrong way. I don't I really don't like it. Um,
426:33 I don't I really don't like it. Um, trying to think you're supposed to eat
426:35 trying to think you're supposed to eat it.
426:36 it. >> Yeah. Haha. Oh, that that is so funny. I
426:39 >> Yeah. Haha. Oh, that that is so funny. I could just
426:40 could just kill you.
426:43 kill you. >> I I'm allergic to shellfish, so like I
426:46 >> I I'm allergic to shellfish, so like I can't have
426:48 can't have shrimp or anything like that, but I used
426:49 shrimp or anything like that, but I used to be able to, and I really loved it
426:50 to be able to, and I really loved it when I could eat it. It's actually a
426:52 when I could eat it. It's actually a shame that I'm allergic to it cuz I love
426:53 shame that I'm allergic to it cuz I love a a water bug is is very yummy to me.
426:56 a a water bug is is very yummy to me. Um, yeah, you you just listed all the I
426:59 Um, yeah, you you just listed all the I guess I don't like pickles, but that's
427:01 guess I don't like pickles, but that's just the cucumber thing, but with
427:02 just the cucumber thing, but with vinegar. But I like vinegar separate to
427:04 vinegar. But I like vinegar separate to that. Like things that are pickled that
427:05 that. Like things that are pickled that are heard. Cucumbers are good.
427:10 are heard. Cucumbers are good. >> Send your cucumbers to Erica Gibbon, PO
427:14 >> Send your cucumbers to Erica Gibbon, PO Box, whatever. Atlanta, Georgia. That's
427:16 Box, whatever. Atlanta, Georgia. That's That's
427:17 That's [ __ ] She She wants them. She just
427:19 [ __ ] She She wants them. She just doesn't want to admit it.
427:22 doesn't want to admit it. >> Can you imagine if that was the scam? If
427:24 >> Can you imagine if that was the scam? If the scam was just like getting on here
427:26 the scam was just like getting on here and being like, "God, this one vegetable
427:28 and being like, "God, this one vegetable with a really short shelf life. Oh, God,
427:30 with a really short shelf life. Oh, God, I hate it." And then that's how I'm
427:32 I hate it." And then that's how I'm getting you to send me just hundreds of
427:34 getting you to send me just hundreds of cucumbers so that I can what? Make
427:36 cucumbers so that I can what? Make cucumber water, freeze them, please.
427:40 cucumber water, freeze them, please. Which of these calls are we taking?
427:42 Which of these calls are we taking? >> Uh, we're going to do supers between
427:44 >> Uh, we're going to do supers between calls right now or do you want to jump
427:45 calls right now or do you want to jump right into the next one is the question.
427:47 right into the next one is the question. >> How many supers do we have? Is this is
427:50 >> How many supers do we have? Is this is this one of those things where if we
427:51 this one of those things where if we don't keep up, we're going to get
427:52 don't keep up, we're going to get swamped? Well, we have like a page right
427:55 swamped? Well, we have like a page right now, so it's not that or like a page and
427:56 now, so it's not that or like a page and a half, so it's not that bad. But
427:59 a half, so it's not that bad. But >> you can probably take one more call and
428:01 >> you can probably take one more call and maybe then we'll do some supers,
428:02 maybe then we'll do some supers, >> which means chat send in a [ __ ] ton
428:05 >> which means chat send in a [ __ ] ton right now.
428:07 right now. >> Also, creationist call in. We got we got
428:10 >> Also, creationist call in. We got we got we only have three people on the line
428:11 we only have three people on the line right now. All of them are atheists. One
428:14 right now. All of them are atheists. One of them is a creationist. So, like,
428:16 of them is a creationist. So, like, >> you know what? Say what you will about
428:18 >> you know what? Say what you will about Stevie. Stevie calls in.
428:21 Stevie. Stevie calls in. >> Say what you will. Say what you will
428:22 >> Say what you will. Say what you will about James. James called in,
428:24 about James. James called in, >> right? Like we we can sit here and talk
428:27 >> right? Like we we can sit here and talk smack, but they they are calling in to
428:29 smack, but they they are calling in to have these conversations. If you're a
428:31 have these conversations. If you're a creationist out there
428:33 creationist out there >> and you want,
428:34 >> and you want, >> the gender critical dude from the UK at
428:36 >> the gender critical dude from the UK at least picked up the phone and and we had
428:38 least picked up the phone and and we had some fun with him. Like [ __ ] dude. Like
428:40 some fun with him. Like [ __ ] dude. Like >> Rob called in. Rob was like, I have a
428:42 >> Rob called in. Rob was like, I have a horrible opinion, but I am willing to
428:44 horrible opinion, but I am willing to put it out.
428:44 put it out. >> I'm going to spew it on the internet.
428:47 >> I'm going to spew it on the internet. >> You he was willing to he was willing to
428:49 >> You he was willing to he was willing to put it to the test. You know, call call
428:50 put it to the test. You know, call call in. Don't be a baby. Don't be a crying
428:53 in. Don't be a baby. Don't be a crying man. We a baby. Call in.
428:54 man. We a baby. Call in. >> I like that. I I get an emoji in my I
428:57 >> I like that. I I get an emoji in my I didn't even know emojis were allowed.
428:58 didn't even know emojis were allowed. That's good. Uh
429:00 That's good. Uh >> Erica,
429:02 >> Erica, >> would you like to pick the next person?
429:05 >> would you like to pick the next person? Because I I'm
429:07 Because I I'm >> I will pick it, you know. Um
429:10 >> I will pick it, you know. Um >> yeah.
429:11 >> yeah. >> Oh, I guess I don't think we have any
429:13 >> Oh, I guess I don't think we have any theists, do we?
429:15 theists, do we? >> Strictly speaking, we have a
429:16 >> Strictly speaking, we have a creationist.
429:18 creationist. >> Ah, now that's it. Yeah, that's that's
429:21 >> Ah, now that's it. Yeah, that's that's interesting. Um
429:23 interesting. Um >> Yeah, it's a whole thing.
429:24 >> Yeah, it's a whole thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I think I'm going to go
429:26 >> Yeah. Yeah. I I think I'm going to go with 49. I think they've been waiting
429:29 with 49. I think they've been waiting for a long time and I think they deserve
429:31 for a long time and I think they deserve to have their call taken. And it's nice
429:34 to have their call taken. And it's nice and
429:35 and >> Steve
429:37 >> Steve pronouns he him calling in from the
429:40 pronouns he him calling in from the frozen wastelands of Canada who wants to
429:42 frozen wastelands of Canada who wants to talk about global warming. Steve, you
429:44 talk about global warming. Steve, you are on the line with Forest and Eric.
429:45 are on the line with Forest and Eric. How you doing today?
429:48 How you doing today? Yeah.
429:49 Yeah. >> Hello.
429:51 >> Hello. Steve.
429:51 Steve. >> Hello.
429:52 >> Hello. >> Hello.
429:53 >> Hello. Oh, hi.
429:55 Oh, hi. >> Hello. Um,
429:57 >> Hello. Um, >> yeah, I guess all I'm asking is uh
430:01 >> yeah, I guess all I'm asking is uh I want some reassurance that like a
430:04 I want some reassurance that like a little gloing is not going to be uh the
430:07 little gloing is not going to be uh the end all be all.
430:10 end all be all. >> Ah, some reassurance.
430:13 >> Ah, some reassurance. >> Um, I don't know that I can offer that.
430:16 >> Um, I don't know that I can offer that. >> I I I hear I hear you. I don't know. How
430:18 >> I I I hear I hear you. I don't know. How about this? Let me offer let me offer
430:21 about this? Let me offer let me offer something that I think is reassuring
430:24 something that I think is reassuring but is probably is probably not. Um
430:28 but is probably is probably not. Um we'll see how it goes over.
430:31 we'll see how it goes over. Global warming, climate change is not
430:33 Global warming, climate change is not going to end the world, right? It's
430:35 going to end the world, right? It's that's not going to happen. Um the world
430:37 that's not going to happen. Um the world has never ended and a lot of really
430:39 has never ended and a lot of really horrible stuff has happened to it over
430:40 horrible stuff has happened to it over the years. um the five big mass
430:42 the years. um the five big mass extinctions that came before this one,
430:44 extinctions that came before this one, which I think is fast becoming evident
430:47 which I think is fast becoming evident that it is a mass extinction. Whether it
430:49 that it is a mass extinction. Whether it will rival the other five or not is yet
430:51 will rival the other five or not is yet to be seen.
430:53 to be seen. A lot of times this earth has come very
430:55 A lot of times this earth has come very close to being to to ending, right? Um
430:58 close to being to to ending, right? Um the closest being the peran mass
431:00 the closest being the peran mass extinction which put us at about 96% of
431:02 extinction which put us at about 96% of species going extinct. Very few critters
431:06 species going extinct. Very few critters survive that one. Under that light, the
431:10 survive that one. Under that light, the world is not going to end with
431:11 world is not going to end with human-caused anthropogenic climate
431:13 human-caused anthropogenic climate change. However,
431:16 change. However, what is going to happen is a lot of
431:17 what is going to happen is a lot of horrible [ __ ] Um, depending on how
431:20 horrible [ __ ] Um, depending on how quickly we act, things could be not so
431:24 quickly we act, things could be not so bad. Like, I I I think there I actually
431:27 bad. Like, I I I think there I actually think that a lot of what could happen is
431:29 think that a lot of what could happen is recoverable. But the question is how
431:30 recoverable. But the question is how much human suffering and non-human
431:32 much human suffering and non-human animal suffering is going to happen in
431:34 animal suffering is going to happen in the interim. um if we were to right now
431:37 the interim. um if we were to right now or within the next I would I would say
431:39 or within the next I would I would say probably ballpark 5 to 10 years sort of
431:43 probably ballpark 5 to 10 years sort of ride ourselves here um reduce our
431:45 ride ourselves here um reduce our dependency on um fossil fuels find a way
431:49 dependency on um fossil fuels find a way to do something about just the copious
431:51 to do something about just the copious amounts of microplastics and I don't
431:52 amounts of microplastics and I don't know what we're going to do about that
431:53 know what we're going to do about that because most of those microplastics are
431:55 because most of those microplastics are coming from car tires so it's like it's
431:56 coming from car tires so it's like it's not like we can stop driving um that's
431:59 not like we can stop driving um that's going to be a tough cell figure out a
432:00 going to be a tough cell figure out a way to sustainably eat if everybody and
432:03 way to sustainably eat if everybody and I think that this is unfortunately the
432:05 I think that this is unfortunately the case. I don't think we're going to be
432:06 case. I don't think we're going to be able to convince most of the world to
432:08 able to convince most of the world to reduce and certainly not stop consuming
432:10 reduce and certainly not stop consuming meat. So, we have to come up we have to
432:11 meat. So, we have to come up we have to come up with a sustainable way to to do
432:13 come up with a sustainable way to to do meat. And I think the future with that
432:15 meat. And I think the future with that is going to be lab grown stuff. I I hope
432:17 is going to be lab grown stuff. I I hope that that ends up happening.
432:19 that that ends up happening. If we can get everything under control
432:20 If we can get everything under control within the next 5 to 10 years, we can
432:22 within the next 5 to 10 years, we can mitigate the worst of it. And
432:23 mitigate the worst of it. And potentially, although I don't think
432:25 potentially, although I don't think technology is going to save us here, we
432:27 technology is going to save us here, we might be able to figure out some kind of
432:28 might be able to figure out some kind of way to start sequestering carbon
432:29 way to start sequestering carbon ourselves. What that looks like, I'm not
432:31 ourselves. What that looks like, I'm not sure. Um, my understanding about carbon
432:34 sure. Um, my understanding about carbon capture technology is that it's kind of
432:35 capture technology is that it's kind of [ __ ] Uh, and that we shouldn't be
432:37 [ __ ] Uh, and that we shouldn't be putting our hopes in that as of right
432:39 putting our hopes in that as of right now. Of course, the bad end of this is
432:42 now. Of course, the bad end of this is that things get really bad. The the
432:44 that things get really bad. The the spooky side of this is going to have the
432:46 spooky side of this is going to have the sea levels rise measurably by a couple
432:49 sea levels rise measurably by a couple of meters, which is going to displace
432:52 of meters, which is going to displace millions of people. Where will those
432:54 millions of people. Where will those people go? I don't know. Oceanic nations
432:56 people go? I don't know. Oceanic nations are especially at risk. Coastal areas
432:58 are especially at risk. Coastal areas are especially at risk. Those people are
433:00 are especially at risk. Those people are going to need a place to go. As the
433:03 going to need a place to go. As the climate continues to change, the sea
433:04 climate continues to change, the sea will continue to acidify, impacting our
433:07 will continue to acidify, impacting our ability to fish, impacting our ability
433:09 ability to fish, impacting our ability to have fisheries. Even our areas where
433:13 to have fisheries. Even our areas where of arable land where we can farm are
433:15 of arable land where we can farm are going to shift radically to the north,
433:16 going to shift radically to the north, which is going to require a massive
433:18 which is going to require a massive change in infrastructure because there
433:20 change in infrastructure because there are obviously cities and like
433:21 are obviously cities and like neighborhoods and populations in the
433:23 neighborhoods and populations in the areas that will now become the arable
433:26 areas that will now become the arable land. areas with fresh water are going
433:28 land. areas with fresh water are going to become increasingly
433:30 to become increasingly desirable. Areas like the Great Lakes,
433:32 desirable. Areas like the Great Lakes, Canada, um around Lake Victoria,
433:35 Canada, um around Lake Victoria, um the global north in general, and the
433:38 um the global north in general, and the water freshwater filled areas of the
433:40 water freshwater filled areas of the global south. I suspect that we're going
433:42 global south. I suspect that we're going to probably have some in continued
433:45 to probably have some in continued increase in wealth disparity, which is
433:47 increase in wealth disparity, which is going to exacerbate the problem,
433:48 going to exacerbate the problem, especially when it comes to to securing
433:50 especially when it comes to to securing fresh water. um what we eat and when we
433:53 fresh water. um what we eat and when we can eat it is probably going to change
433:54 can eat it is probably going to change because we're going to have to do a
433:56 because we're going to have to do a shift to to again where we're farming
433:58 shift to to again where we're farming things and how sustainable those those
434:00 things and how sustainable those those farming practices actually are.
434:04 farming practices actually are. But all of that being said, even though
434:06 But all of that being said, even though there's going to be a lot of lot of lot
434:07 there's going to be a lot of lot of lot of suffering eventually, I do think like
434:11 of suffering eventually, I do think like I don't think that climate change is
434:12 I don't think that climate change is going to make humans go extinct. In
434:14 going to make humans go extinct. In fact, I don't think climate change is
434:15 fact, I don't think climate change is going to make um like even the majority
434:18 going to make um like even the majority of non-human animals go extinct. it's
434:21 of non-human animals go extinct. it's just going to drastically impact the
434:22 just going to drastically impact the numbers of a lot of critters and then
434:24 numbers of a lot of critters and then things are going to have to evolve in
434:25 things are going to have to evolve in pretty quickly. Some animals are really
434:27 pretty quickly. Some animals are really really resilient when it comes to living
434:28 really resilient when it comes to living in human um anthropocentric areas and
434:31 in human um anthropocentric areas and some are not. How that's going to hash
434:33 some are not. How that's going to hash out exactly, I'm not sure. You know, we
434:36 out exactly, I'm not sure. You know, we have a range of like best to worst case
434:37 have a range of like best to worst case scenario. I'm not sure which side of
434:39 scenario. I'm not sure which side of things are going to to fall and I
434:41 things are going to to fall and I certainly can't say how that's going to
434:43 certainly can't say how that's going to hash out in the long run anyways because
434:45 hash out in the long run anyways because we just don't know with human technology
434:47 we just don't know with human technology and society how quickly this is an
434:49 and society how quickly this is an issue. like how quickly as an issue this
434:51 issue. like how quickly as an issue this can even be fixed. Like if we threw
434:53 can even be fixed. Like if we threw everything at the kitchen sink at this,
434:56 everything at the kitchen sink at this, could we could we seriously mitigate the
434:59 could we could we seriously mitigate the problem now? I don't know. Um so I wish
435:03 problem now? I don't know. Um so I wish I don't know. I know that's not what you
435:10 um uplifting answer, but I think things are going to get really really
435:12 are going to get really really probably a lot better. And the timeline
435:14 probably a lot better. And the timeline of that is it could be anywhere from
435:18 of that is it could be anywhere from decades to centuries to millennia even.
435:21 decades to centuries to millennia even. I'm not sure how it's going to hash out.
435:23 I'm not sure how it's going to hash out. Um I don't know if I'm in a place where
435:25 Um I don't know if I'm in a place where I'm like don't like things are going to
435:27 I'm like don't like things are going to suck so badly like don't have kids
435:29 suck so badly like don't have kids because it's going to be so miserable.
435:30 because it's going to be so miserable. But I think that we're at the cusp
435:33 But I think that we're at the cusp >> of which direction that's going to to
435:36 >> of which direction that's going to to fall.
435:43 >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I mean >> generally what I'm worried about is like
435:44 >> generally what I'm worried about is like kind of like the tipping points and
435:46 kind of like the tipping points and stuff like that like things are just
435:47 stuff like that like things are just going to like almost
435:51 going to like almost >> I don't know like accelerate towards the
435:53 >> I don't know like accelerate towards the point where it's like un recoverable
435:56 point where it's like un recoverable kind of
435:58 kind of >> I mean I think it's important to
435:59 >> I mean I think it's important to remember that
436:01 remember that >> un unreoverable. I don't know. I find
436:04 >> un unreoverable. I don't know. I find that a hard I find that hard to believe
436:06 that a hard I find that hard to believe like that that we're going to reach a
436:07 like that that we're going to reach a point certainly will reach runaway
436:09 point certainly will reach runaway points where things are going to change
436:11 points where things are going to change and we're going to have to adapt. But
436:13 and we're going to have to adapt. But the world has changed so drastically so
436:15 the world has changed so drastically so many times in its history. I mean change
436:17 many times in its history. I mean change is the natural state of the earth. Um
436:21 is the natural state of the earth. Um people it's funny because that's how
436:22 people it's funny because that's how that's what climate change deniers try
436:23 that's what climate change deniers try to use as a as a way to say there's
436:25 to use as a as a way to say there's nothing to worry about is that change is
436:26 nothing to worry about is that change is the natural state of the earth. Things
436:27 the natural state of the earth. Things have always been changing. It's going to
436:28 have always been changing. It's going to be okay. And like in the grand scheme of
436:30 be okay. And like in the grand scheme of things it is going to be okay. Like I
436:31 things it is going to be okay. Like I don't think humans are going to go
436:32 don't think humans are going to go extinct. I don't think the earth is
436:33 extinct. I don't think the earth is going to explode and and become
436:35 going to explode and and become sterilized of all life. Life is going to
436:38 sterilized of all life. Life is going to persist and probably humans are going to
436:40 persist and probably humans are going to persist, but shit's going to suck a lot
436:42 persist, but shit's going to suck a lot for a lot of people for a decent amount
436:45 for a lot of people for a decent amount of time.
436:46 of time. >> Um I'm I I cynically and selfishly hope
436:50 >> Um I'm I I cynically and selfishly hope that this is something that isn't going
436:51 that this is something that isn't going to happen um at least at its peak in my
436:53 to happen um at least at its peak in my lifetime. But the way things are going
436:55 lifetime. But the way things are going right now, I'm I'm just not so sure. You
436:58 right now, I'm I'm just not so sure. You know, we'll see. The what I think what I
437:00 know, we'll see. The what I think what I think is really important is like we we
437:02 think is really important is like we we are already at a point where we are
437:04 are already at a point where we are already crossing some of those
437:06 already crossing some of those boundaries those tipping points where
437:08 boundaries those tipping points where things spiral out of control. We are
437:10 things spiral out of control. We are already at that point with like coral
437:11 already at that point with like coral reefs. We are already at a point where
437:14 reefs. We are already at a point where perafrost is melting at a rate that is
437:16 perafrost is melting at a rate that is releasing long sequestered carbon and
437:18 releasing long sequestered carbon and accelerating you know carbon um um
437:21 accelerating you know carbon um um carbon presence in the atmosphere. We're
437:23 carbon presence in the atmosphere. We're up over at this point 420
437:26 up over at this point 420 parts per million of carbon dioxide. Um
437:30 parts per million of carbon dioxide. Um the last time that carbon dioxide levels
437:32 the last time that carbon dioxide levels were that high was around 3 million
437:35 were that high was around 3 million years ago when the oceans were around 80
437:38 years ago when the oceans were around 80 feet higher than they are today because
437:40 feet higher than they are today because of that temperature.
437:42 of that temperature. >> And you have a population where the vast
437:45 >> And you have a population where the vast majority of people live near water. That
437:48 majority of people live near water. That sucks. So I agree with Erica like the
437:50 sucks. So I agree with Erica like the planet is going to keep on spinning like
437:52 planet is going to keep on spinning like the life on this planet is not going to
437:54 the life on this planet is not going to end. Human life is going to be
437:56 end. Human life is going to be dramatically dramatically impacted and
437:59 dramatically dramatically impacted and there are already people today that are
438:01 there are already people today that are already being severely hurt and dying
438:04 already being severely hurt and dying and being put into refugee status
438:07 and being put into refugee status already because of catastrophic climate
438:09 already because of catastrophic climate change, because of heat waves, because
438:12 change, because of heat waves, because of um ocean encroaching up onto where
438:15 of um ocean encroaching up onto where they're living. Um ocean acidification
438:18 they're living. Um ocean acidification is especially scary for me uh because it
438:22 is especially scary for me uh because it kills uh cyanobacteria and other
438:25 kills uh cyanobacteria and other phytolankton. So phytolankton is um any
438:28 phytolankton. So phytolankton is um any tiny little microorganisms in the oceans
438:30 tiny little microorganisms in the oceans cyanobacteria, cocoithophores,
438:33 cyanobacteria, cocoithophores, um other [ __ ] that is out there doing
438:34 um other [ __ ] that is out there doing photosynthesis. Um that's where a little
438:38 photosynthesis. Um that's where a little between 60 to 80% of the oxygen you're
438:40 between 60 to 80% of the oxygen you're breathing at this moment comes from. Um,
438:42 breathing at this moment comes from. Um, no matter where you live in the world,
438:44 no matter where you live in the world, well over half of the oxygen you breathe
438:46 well over half of the oxygen you breathe comes from the ocean. And these tiny
438:48 comes from the ocean. And these tiny microorganisms are extremely susceptible
438:51 microorganisms are extremely susceptible to temperature and pH. And so as we
438:54 to temperature and pH. And so as we continue to warm the oceans and add more
438:56 continue to warm the oceans and add more acid to the ocean in way of carbonic
438:58 acid to the ocean in way of carbonic acid, more carbon dioxide in the
438:59 acid, more carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, continues to acidify the
439:01 atmosphere, continues to acidify the oceans, not only does that destroy coral
439:03 oceans, not only does that destroy coral reefs, it also destroys the number one
439:06 reefs, it also destroys the number one oxygen manufacturing plant in the entire
439:09 oxygen manufacturing plant in the entire [ __ ] world. And so that's scary as
439:13 [ __ ] world. And so that's scary as [ __ ] to me. There is good news. Check
439:15 [ __ ] to me. There is good news. Check out Elena Wood. She's a climate
439:17 out Elena Wood. She's a climate scientist. I believe she's actually
439:19 scientist. I believe she's actually sustainability scientist and she talks
439:21 sustainability scientist and she talks about good news about climate change all
439:23 about good news about climate change all the time because she thinks that climate
439:24 the time because she thinks that climate doomism is a serious problem. And I
439:27 doomism is a serious problem. And I agree with her. If you recognize how
439:29 agree with her. If you recognize how scary this is, that's a great thing. If
439:31 scary this is, that's a great thing. If you are forced into compliance and
439:33 you are forced into compliance and complacency and sadness by how scary
439:35 complacency and sadness by how scary this is, you're not useful anymore. Um,
439:39 this is, you're not useful anymore. Um, so she shares good climate news all the
439:41 so she shares good climate news all the time. And she was recently put out a
439:43 time. And she was recently put out a video about like this test that they
439:45 video about like this test that they just ran in uh uh California, I believe,
439:48 just ran in uh uh California, I believe, where they were putting solar panels
439:49 where they were putting solar panels over irrigation channels um as just kind
439:52 over irrigation channels um as just kind of a test to see if that would help. And
439:54 of a test to see if that would help. And not only are they producing an insane
439:56 not only are they producing an insane amount of electricity, they're also
439:58 amount of electricity, they're also preventing those irrigation channels
439:59 preventing those irrigation channels from evaporation, which is making them
440:01 from evaporation, which is making them more efficient and conserving water. And
440:03 more efficient and conserving water. And that's amazing. And so like there are a
440:06 that's amazing. And so like there are a million great things to be very excited
440:08 million great things to be very excited about. There are so many things that are
440:10 about. There are so many things that are really really really helping. So many
440:12 really really really helping. So many initiatives to clean up the ocean. So
440:14 initiatives to clean up the ocean. So many initiatives to clean up carbon. So
440:16 many initiatives to clean up carbon. So many initiatives to reduce carbon
440:18 many initiatives to reduce carbon emissions. So many emissions to increase
440:20 emissions. So many emissions to increase the uh uh green energy which is now out
440:22 the uh uh green energy which is now out competing fossil fuels in some areas.
440:24 competing fossil fuels in some areas. There are so many things that are really
440:26 There are so many things that are really really great to be excited about. What
440:28 really great to be excited about. What we need is leaders, people in charge who
440:32 we need is leaders, people in charge who are going to push that, not people like
440:34 are going to push that, not people like Donald cuntag Trump who is now saying
440:36 Donald cuntag Trump who is now saying that we need to be drilling in Alaska.
440:39 that we need to be drilling in Alaska. So like that the biggest thing, the best
440:42 So like that the biggest thing, the best number one thing you can do if you care
440:44 number one thing you can do if you care about climate change is [ __ ] vote.
440:47 about climate change is [ __ ] vote. Volunteer for local organizations. Go do
440:50 Volunteer for local organizations. Go do phone banking. Go do canvasing. Get out
440:52 phone banking. Go do canvasing. Get out there and educate people and vote
440:55 there and educate people and vote accordingly. make it be a singleissue
440:57 accordingly. make it be a singleissue voter on this. If there was ever a thing
440:59 voter on this. If there was ever a thing to be a single issue voter on, it is
441:01 to be a single issue voter on, it is this. Um, so like that's that's a big
441:04 this. Um, so like that's that's a big one for me is is like yes, this is very
441:06 one for me is is like yes, this is very scary. Believe me, it keeps me up at
441:09 scary. Believe me, it keeps me up at night and it really [ __ ] bothers me
441:11 night and it really [ __ ] bothers me and there are many times where I am
441:12 and there are many times where I am lying on the floor desperate and sad,
441:15 lying on the floor desperate and sad, but at the end of the day, a hopeless
441:17 but at the end of the day, a hopeless person is a useless person. So find ways
441:20 person is a useless person. So find ways to get active. If I had to guess, like
441:22 to get active. If I had to guess, like if I if you gave me $100,000 and you
441:25 if I if you gave me $100,000 and you were like, "What do you think is
441:26 were like, "What do you think is actually going to happen here?" Like,
441:27 actually going to happen here?" Like, "How do you think this is going to go?"
441:29 "How do you think this is going to go?" I would wager that people are going to
441:30 I would wager that people are going to be complacent until something big and
441:33 be complacent until something big and bad enough happens. Um, I'm talking
441:35 bad enough happens. Um, I'm talking about major refugee crisis. I'm talking
441:37 about major refugee crisis. I'm talking about encroachment on coastal areas by,
441:40 about encroachment on coastal areas by, you know, a meter or less. And I think
441:42 you know, a meter or less. And I think at that point, just like with
441:45 at that point, just like with a large portion of the planet, but not
441:48 a large portion of the planet, but not the whole thing, is going to go into
441:50 the whole thing, is going to go into maximum overdrive on trying to solve
441:52 maximum overdrive on trying to solve this. And they're going to come up with
441:53 this. And they're going to come up with a bunch of mitigations and it's going to
441:55 a bunch of mitigations and it's going to force people to take it seriously. That
441:57 force people to take it seriously. That it is going to be too late for a lot of
442:00 it is going to be too late for a lot of different people living in a lot of
442:02 different people living in a lot of different areas. It's going to be too
442:04 different areas. It's going to be too late for a lot of species. It's going to
442:05 late for a lot of species. It's going to be too late for um for a lot of areas,
442:08 be too late for um for a lot of areas, but it's not going to be too late for
442:10 but it's not going to be too late for everything. And I suspect that at that
442:12 everything. And I suspect that at that point my it is my deepest hope that
442:15 point my it is my deepest hope that lighting a fire that some horrible
442:17 lighting a fire that some horrible tragedy will will light a fire under
442:19 tragedy will will light a fire under people's asses and force people to take
442:22 people's asses and force people to take this seriously and then if we're lucky
442:25 this seriously and then if we're lucky um overcorrect as if such a thing is
442:28 um overcorrect as if such a thing is even possible and just dump copious
442:30 even possible and just dump copious amounts of money into climate change
442:32 amounts of money into climate change mitigation. Um and then things could
442:34 mitigation. Um and then things could theoretically get better very very
442:36 theoretically get better very very radically. We're fortunate in that we
442:38 radically. We're fortunate in that we know what we're doing and we're
442:39 know what we're doing and we're fortunate in that we understand the the
442:42 fortunate in that we understand the the mechanics behind this, right? Like we
442:44 mechanics behind this, right? Like we know what causes ocean acidification. We
442:46 know what causes ocean acidification. We know theoretically on long enough time
442:48 know theoretically on long enough time frames what could fix it. That is an
442:50 frames what could fix it. That is an enormous power, right? That allows us to
442:52 enormous power, right? That allows us to experiment with ways of hopefully
442:54 experiment with ways of hopefully reversing some of the worst of it. But
442:57 reversing some of the worst of it. But the the problem is nobody takes it
442:59 the the problem is nobody takes it seriously enough. I shouldn't say that.
443:02 seriously enough. I shouldn't say that. >> Countless people take it seriously
443:03 >> Countless people take it seriously enough. the right
443:05 enough. the right >> nobody in power takes it seriously
443:06 >> nobody in power takes it seriously enough.
443:07 enough. >> The right powerful people don't take it
443:08 >> The right powerful people don't take it seriously enough to to um legislate some
443:11 seriously enough to to um legislate some of this action into place and it's going
443:15 of this action into place and it's going to Here's the thing I guess here's the I
443:17 to Here's the thing I guess here's the I told you so pat on the back [ __ ] and
443:19 told you so pat on the back [ __ ] and Freda here is that eventually
443:22 Freda here is that eventually this shit's going to hit the fan and
443:24 this shit's going to hit the fan and people will have no choice. History will
443:27 people will have no choice. History will remember this is what actually lulls me
443:29 remember this is what actually lulls me to sleep at night. History will remember
443:30 to sleep at night. History will remember the inaction of the people in charge
443:32 the inaction of the people in charge right now and it will not forget. For as
443:35 right now and it will not forget. For as long as humans survive, history will
443:36 long as humans survive, history will remember this blunder by the people who
443:38 remember this blunder by the people who are who are alive at this time. And you
443:40 are who are alive at this time. And you know, I guess that's comfort.
443:44 know, I guess that's comfort. The biggest thing, I believe it was in
443:46 The biggest thing, I believe it was in Montana, if I remember correctly, um a
443:48 Montana, if I remember correctly, um a group of teenagers just successfully
443:50 group of teenagers just successfully sued their own state government for
443:53 sued their own state government for destroying their future or for not
443:55 destroying their future or for not taking the climate seriously and for
443:57 taking the climate seriously and for putting and
443:59 putting and >> I I don't remember if it was like if
444:00 >> I I don't remember if it was like if they won the suit, but the fact that it
444:02 they won the suit, but the fact that it was allowed to happen, they were able to
444:04 was allowed to happen, they were able to say we by the constitution are promised
444:07 say we by the constitution are promised life, liberty, and the pursuit of
444:08 life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. you have taken that away from
444:11 happiness. you have taken that away from us by not guaranteeing that we have a an
444:14 us by not guaranteeing that we have a an inhabitable earth. Um, and they were
444:17 inhabitable earth. Um, and they were able to get pretty far. I don't know
444:18 able to get pretty far. I don't know what the outcome of the case was, but I
444:19 what the outcome of the case was, but I know they were able to get far enough to
444:21 know they were able to get far enough to actually make news about it and actually
444:22 actually make news about it and actually file the lawsuit. So, like that I think
444:25 file the lawsuit. So, like that I think would be a big thing to get people out
444:26 would be a big thing to get people out there because apparently all these dumb
444:28 there because apparently all these dumb [ __ ] bureaucratic pieces of [ __ ] care
444:31 [ __ ] bureaucratic pieces of [ __ ] care about his paperwork. Let's make some
444:32 about his paperwork. Let's make some [ __ ] paperwork for him. Um, that's a
444:35 [ __ ] paperwork for him. Um, that's a huge thing for me. I don't know. But
444:37 huge thing for me. I don't know. But that's neither here nor there. There's
444:39 that's neither here nor there. There's just I'm just saying there is hope
444:40 just I'm just saying there is hope >> and that hope is something that you have
444:42 >> and that hope is something that you have to make. There's no you can't just go
444:44 to make. There's no you can't just go find hope laying around. You have to
444:45 find hope laying around. You have to make your own hope.
444:47 make your own hope. >> Humans are just an unbelievably
444:49 >> Humans are just an unbelievably resilient species. Um and we care so
444:53 resilient species. Um and we care so many of us care so deeply about the
444:55 many of us care so deeply about the world around us. I bet if you pulled the
444:56 world around us. I bet if you pulled the entire planet, far more people far more
444:59 entire planet, far more people far more people would care about the future of
445:01 people would care about the future of this planet, the beauty of this planet,
445:03 this planet, the beauty of this planet, the other inhabitants of this planet
445:05 the other inhabitants of this planet then don't. And there okay my dog is
445:07 then don't. And there okay my dog is growling now. She's co-signing.
445:14 You made it freeze, Teddy. Awesome. Um, there's great power in that, right?
445:16 there's great power in that, right? Because that means that over
445:18 Because that means that over erosion of the cliffs, we will we'll win
445:21 erosion of the cliffs, we will we'll win this. The question is how much suffering
445:23 this. The question is how much suffering will have to happen first? How much will
445:25 will have to happen first? How much will we lose before we save the rest? I have
445:28 we lose before we save the rest? I have there's very little doubt in my mind
445:29 there's very little doubt in my mind that we will save a lot, but I would
445:32 that we will save a lot, but I would like to minimize the suffering. Um, and
445:35 like to minimize the suffering. Um, and I don't see us doing that right now. I
445:37 I don't see us doing that right now. I hope that changes over the next decade,
445:39 hope that changes over the next decade, but we'll see. Hold on, let me pay the
445:41 but we'll see. Hold on, let me pay the dog tax. I'll get my my bigger dog to
445:43 dog tax. I'll get my my bigger dog to come over here.
445:44 come over here. >> And they did win, it seems. Uh, this is
445:47 >> And they did win, it seems. Uh, this is from the ACLU. Um, 16 children pe 16
445:52 from the ACLU. Um, 16 children pe 16 people from ages 5 to 22 all got
445:55 people from ages 5 to 22 all got together and sued the state. It was held
445:57 together and sued the state. It was held v. Montana. And apparently they they
445:59 v. Montana. And apparently they they actually did win this case and that sets
446:01 actually did win this case and that sets a great precedent moving forward. So,
446:03 a great precedent moving forward. So, I'm going to go ahead and send that in
446:04 I'm going to go ahead and send that in the chat in case anybody wants to look
446:05 the chat in case anybody wants to look over that. Um, love the ACLU. Cool. Cool
446:10 over that. Um, love the ACLU. Cool. Cool people.
446:12 people. Anyway, with that, um, does that answer
446:16 Anyway, with that, um, does that answer your questions, Steve?
446:22 >> Um, yeah. I mean, I guess like it's I don't
446:24 yeah. I mean, I guess like it's I don't know. Cuz the issue always worried about
446:27 know. Cuz the issue always worried about is just people basically embracing kind
446:30 is just people basically embracing kind of the us versus them mentality and just
446:33 of the us versus them mentality and just kind of
446:35 kind of running with the I don't know the more
446:38 running with the I don't know the more negative sides of things, the more you
446:40 negative sides of things, the more you know insular sides of things. I guess
446:43 know insular sides of things. I guess >> sadness sells, desperation cells, panic
446:46 >> sadness sells, desperation cells, panic sells.
446:48 sells. >> Hope does not sell. Hope is not going to
446:50 >> Hope does not sell. Hope is not going to make headlines.
446:51 make headlines. >> Yeah, pretty much.
446:52 >> Yeah, pretty much. >> But force force hit the nail on the
446:53 >> But force force hit the nail on the head, right? Like if you're complacent
446:55 head, right? Like if you're complacent on this, those [ __ ] win.
446:58 on this, those [ __ ] win. >> Don't let them win.
446:59 >> Don't let them win. >> You can't let them win, right? Like I I
447:02 >> You can't let them win, right? Like I I God, I I know the feeling where it just
447:04 God, I I know the feeling where it just styies you into into calcifying in your
447:06 styies you into into calcifying in your bed and you just want to say, "What can
447:08 bed and you just want to say, "What can we possibly do?"
447:09 we possibly do?" >> But, you know, humanity and this earth
447:11 >> But, you know, humanity and this earth has been in greater trouble than this
447:13 has been in greater trouble than this before and come out on the other side.
447:14 before and come out on the other side. And we will do the same. We will. I I I
447:18 And we will do the same. We will. I I I know that we will. It's just we we have
447:20 know that we will. It's just we we have to push through and we have to save as
447:21 to push through and we have to save as much as we can while we still can um you
447:25 much as we can while we still can um you know before before we manage to course
447:26 know before before we manage to course correct on this and um that course
447:28 correct on this and um that course correction is certainly not going to
447:30 correction is certainly not going to speed up if people like you who care
447:33 speed up if people like you who care Steve let this overcome you right just
447:38 Steve let this overcome you right just as said find little ways to and and you
447:40 as said find little ways to and and you know people it seems people get so down
447:43 know people it seems people get so down on that like when you're like here are
447:44 on that like when you're like here are the little ways that you can do things
447:46 the little ways that you can do things and they're like but I want to do big
447:47 and they're like but I want to do big things too and it's like Okay. So do I.
447:50 things too and it's like Okay. So do I. Right? But cliffs don't erode by like
447:52 Right? But cliffs don't erode by like giant boulders falling off the face of
447:54 giant boulders falling off the face of them every single day. Right? The little
447:56 them every single day. Right? The little actions are what set the stage for the
447:58 actions are what set the stage for the big actions. Without the little actions,
447:59 big actions. Without the little actions, the big things don't happen. Um so we
448:03 the big things don't happen. Um so we owe it to ourselves and we owe it to the
448:04 owe it to ourselves and we owe it to the humans and the other animals that are
448:05 humans and the other animals that are going to occupy this planet tomorrow to
448:07 going to occupy this planet tomorrow to just to be steadfast on this. Seems dumb
448:10 just to be steadfast on this. Seems dumb and silly, but you know, true things
448:13 and silly, but you know, true things often do. Things that we all know often
448:16 often do. Things that we all know often seem like dumb and silly as if they
448:17 seem like dumb and silly as if they don't even need to be said, but
448:19 don't even need to be said, but sometimes you need to hear them all the
448:20 sometimes you need to hear them all the same.
448:21 same. >> True. Very true.
448:23 >> True. Very true. >> And with that, Steve,
448:25 >> And with that, Steve, >> we're going to jump on the next call,
448:26 >> we're going to jump on the next call, but I appreciate you calling in.
448:28 but I appreciate you calling in. >> Thank you, Steve.
448:29 >> Thank you, Steve. >> Yep. Thank you.
448:32 >> Yep. Thank you. >> Bye-bye.
448:37 >> We're actually going to hit >> We got a ton of work to do.
448:39 >> We got a ton of work to do. >> Yes, we got a ton of work to do, y'all.
448:40 >> Yes, we got a ton of work to do, y'all. But holy crap, we can do it together.
448:43 But holy crap, we can do it together. Well, we don't have a choice.
448:46 Well, we don't have a choice. >> We're gonna do it because we have to
448:50 >> We're gonna do it because we have to >> super chats and then we'll get back into
448:52 >> super chats and then we'll get back into calls hopefully in that time. We I would
448:54 calls hopefully in that time. We I would love to take some more theist calls. We
448:56 love to take some more theist calls. We got two people on the line right now.
448:57 got two people on the line right now. Both atheists. So, theists,
448:59 Both atheists. So, theists, creationists, science deniers of all
449:01 creationists, science deniers of all kinds, this is your chance. We're still
449:03 kinds, this is your chance. We're still here. We've been on for 7 hours and 40
449:06 here. We've been on for 7 hours and 40 minutes and haven't heard a good one
449:08 minutes and haven't heard a good one yet.
449:10 yet. >> Come now. Call in. You know, we want to
449:12 >> Come now. Call in. You know, we want to hear from you.
449:14 hear from you. >> Either come now or call in. Just don't
449:16 >> Either come now or call in. Just don't do both at the same time. Uh $10 from
449:21 do both at the same time. Uh $10 from Mroan. Uh having never gotten high
449:24 Mroan. Uh having never gotten high school in my life, I feel as though I
449:26 school in my life, I feel as though I would enjoy getting high together with
449:28 would enjoy getting high together with James.
449:29 James. >> For now, your brain is soup. Where is
449:31 >> For now, your brain is soup. Where is school in this super chat? Where's the
449:33 school in this super chat? Where's the word school in this super chat?
449:35 word school in this super chat? >> I don't know. I'm I'm I'm [ __ ] I'm
449:37 >> I don't know. I'm I'm I'm [ __ ] I'm I'm dying over here.
449:38 I'm dying over here. >> No, I'm glad it's not just me.
449:41 >> No, I'm glad it's not just me. 1666
449:43 1666 from Roffus Todd. Wrong answers only.
449:45 from Roffus Todd. Wrong answers only. What selection pressure led to the human
449:47 What selection pressure led to the human chin? Um, kissing like this too hard.
449:55 >> It was because humans needed to evolve to look like Jesse Jerdac. That [ __ ]
449:57 to look like Jesse Jerdac. That [ __ ] broad square chin handsome [ __ ]
450:00 broad square chin handsome [ __ ] That's what it is. That is It's all
450:01 That's what it is. That is It's all orthoggenic. We all We're evolving to
450:03 orthoggenic. We all We're evolving to become more handsome.
450:04 become more handsome. >> It's like a peak human perfection thing.
450:07 >> It's like a peak human perfection thing. That makes sense.
450:08 That makes sense. >> Mhm. Yeah.
450:10 >> Mhm. Yeah. Uh, five bucks from
450:13 Uh, five bucks from Fry Jimmy maybe.
450:17 Fry Jimmy maybe. Um,
450:19 Um, rock hard fraggle dick equals rockh hard
450:21 rock hard fraggle dick equals rockh hard for Doug. That doesn't make any sense
450:24 for Doug. That doesn't make any sense because you wouldn't put the f in an
450:26 because you wouldn't put the f in an acronym. Crazy. Um, and
450:30 acronym. Crazy. Um, and >> sweaty wet feces sack equals sinfully
450:33 >> sweaty wet feces sack equals sinfully wet for Sharon. Uh, again, you don't put
450:37 wet for Sharon. Uh, again, you don't put the four. You don't What are you talking
450:38 the four. You don't What are you talking about? both from DZ Deconstruction Zone.
450:41 about? both from DZ Deconstruction Zone. I'm gonna tell Justin that you're
450:42 I'm gonna tell Justin that you're spreading misinformation about his his
450:44 spreading misinformation about his his jokes on this channel is what I'm going
450:46 jokes on this channel is what I'm going to do. I'm gonna text him right now. I'm
450:48 to do. I'm gonna text him right now. I'm gonna tell him.
450:50 gonna tell him. We got $10 from New Type 385. Erica, in
450:54 We got $10 from New Type 385. Erica, in 1897, the cold air ballroom was
450:56 1897, the cold air ballroom was invented. It never really took off. Like
450:59 invented. It never really took off. Like a hot air balloon. Wow, that's so Did I
451:02 a hot air balloon. Wow, that's so Did I say ballroom? I might have said
451:03 say ballroom? I might have said ballroom. I might actually There might
451:05 ballroom. I might actually There might be like chicken noodles floating around
451:07 be like chicken noodles floating around in my brain right now. never really off.
451:10 in my brain right now. never really off. I'm enjoying learning about more things
451:11 I'm enjoying learning about more things from you and Forest. Love you both.
451:13 from you and Forest. Love you both. We'll be here all week. Call in if you
451:16 We'll be here all week. Call in if you would like to hear about more cool
451:17 would like to hear about more cool science facts. Forest and I are we're
451:20 science facts. Forest and I are we're sort of like the genie from Aladdin.
451:22 sort of like the genie from Aladdin. Like we are we are chained here. We are
451:24 Like we are we are chained here. We are un we're not we're actually like
451:25 un we're not we're actually like magically not allowed. I believe. So
451:27 magically not allowed. I believe. So >> my favorite thing about Erica you saying
451:29 >> my favorite thing about Erica you saying that there's chicken noodles in your
451:30 that there's chicken noodles in your brain is that it's chicken noodle soup
451:32 brain is that it's chicken noodle soup because there's both chicken and
451:33 because there's both chicken and noodles. Chicken noodles aren't a thing,
451:36 noodles. Chicken noodles aren't a thing, are they? Yeah, but the the chicken
451:38 are they? Yeah, but the the chicken noodle is like a flavor. You can make
451:41 noodle is like a flavor. You can make noodles out of anything, Ardan. All
451:43 noodles out of anything, Ardan. All right,
451:45 right, >> I don't have to answer that. I I have
451:48 >> I don't have to answer that. I I have respect. I am a man. I have respect. I
451:52 respect. I am a man. I have respect. I have self-respect. I don't have to
451:54 have self-respect. I don't have to answer that.
451:57 answer that. >> 10 Canadian dollars from Tim McShie.
452:01 >> 10 Canadian dollars from Tim McShie. Uh, did blue jays evolve from dinosaurs?
452:04 Uh, did blue jays evolve from dinosaurs? And if so, are they more are they
452:06 And if so, are they more are they evolved
452:08 evolved than humans from Brooklyn who had to
452:11 than humans from Brooklyn who had to dodge trolleys? Sorry, had to go Jay's.
452:14 dodge trolleys? Sorry, had to go Jay's. There's a whole layer of sports chiding
452:17 There's a whole layer of sports chiding going on here that I There's a lot going
452:19 going on here that I There's a lot going on.
452:20 on. >> That's a lot of sports.
452:22 >> That's a lot of sports. >> Also, 10 Canadian is 714 USD. I don't
452:25 >> Also, 10 Canadian is 714 USD. I don't believe you.
452:28 believe you. >> I don't I don't know if that's true or
452:29 >> I don't I don't know if that's true or not.
452:30 not. >> Is that really true? $10 from SJL. A
452:33 >> Is that really true? $10 from SJL. A bully stick is 650. My dog eats it in 30
452:36 bully stick is 650. My dog eats it in 30 minutes. That's better than minimum wage
452:37 minutes. That's better than minimum wage in many places. Abby the Beagle is
452:38 in many places. Abby the Beagle is perpetually hungry. Abby the Beagle is
452:41 perpetually hungry. Abby the Beagle is so cute according to that PFP. But also
452:44 so cute according to that PFP. But also the golden that you guys just saw,
452:45 the golden that you guys just saw, Teddy, she can also put any kind of raw
452:48 Teddy, she can also put any kind of raw hide or something um chewy sort of away
452:51 hide or something um chewy sort of away within probably half an hour. The
452:53 within probably half an hour. The difference between your sweet Abby and
452:55 difference between your sweet Abby and my evil Teddy is that Teddy will then
452:57 my evil Teddy is that Teddy will then proceed to throw it up at about 3:00
452:59 proceed to throw it up at about 3:00 a.m. on Luke and I's um fold out couch
453:03 a.m. on Luke and I's um fold out couch and it gets the vomit gets stuck in the
453:05 and it gets the vomit gets stuck in the crevices. So then you have to take the
453:07 crevices. So then you have to take the whole couch apart and then spray it
453:09 whole couch apart and then spray it outside in order to get it clean or else
453:11 outside in order to get it clean or else it still smells like bile.
453:12 it still smells like bile. >> So what I'm trying to say is
453:15 >> So what I'm trying to say is >> my dog is worse than yours. She's not
453:17 >> my dog is worse than yours. She's not evil. She's bad.
453:20 evil. She's bad. Thank you for reminding me once again
453:22 Thank you for reminding me once again why I do not have pets. Uh $10 from
453:26 why I do not have pets. Uh $10 from Elizabeth Chris. Uh team forest hashtag
453:30 Elizabeth Chris. Uh team forest hashtag uh gophers [ __ ] your
453:34 uh gophers [ __ ] your johnson.
453:36 johnson. >> Brother
453:39 >> Brother >> brother what?
453:41 >> brother what? >> He phoned it in folks. I'm just
453:44 >> He phoned it in folks. I'm just >> Oh, Forest. Forest. I actually I was as
453:48 >> Oh, Forest. Forest. I actually I was as we needed to tell you this is the other
453:50 we needed to tell you this is the other or the other day. Earlier in I guess it
453:52 or the other day. Earlier in I guess it was earlier today. It feels like the
453:54 was earlier today. It feels like the other day. Earlier in this show,
453:57 other day. Earlier in this show, >> I think I think you were doing one of
453:58 >> I think I think you were doing one of your acronyms and you like you like
454:01 your acronyms and you like you like hesitated and then someone someone made
454:03 hesitated and then someone someone made a chat GBT crack in the in the chat and
454:05 a chat GBT crack in the in the chat and I I wanted to point it out to you to
454:07 I I wanted to point it out to you to embarrass you mortally in front of the
454:09 embarrass you mortally in front of the world. Wait. Oh, the one time I used
454:12 world. Wait. Oh, the one time I used Chat GPT. I haven't done that this show
454:15 Chat GPT. I haven't done that this show or or any show since
454:17 or or any show since >> I'm just I was tired and I asked for
454:19 >> I'm just I was tired and I asked for help from the internet. I don't know
454:21 help from the internet. I don't know what you [ __ ] want from me here.
454:24 what you [ __ ] want from me here. >> I'm just saying
454:25 >> I'm just saying >> 7 hours and 46 minutes in.
454:28 >> 7 hours and 46 minutes in. >> It's a cursed activity is what I'm
454:29 >> It's a cursed activity is what I'm saying. That's that's that's all
454:31 saying. That's that's that's all >> it is. The beast fit the PFP. I like it.
454:35 >> it is. The beast fit the PFP. I like it. >> Um, is this you or me?
454:38 >> Um, is this you or me? you question mark I think
454:40 you question mark I think >> five Canadian dollars from Tarnanker
454:48 to Zarnar to Zarnar 2330. If anyone forest or Erica included
454:52 2330. If anyone forest or Erica included gets frustrated by a caller or an
454:53 gets frustrated by a caller or an argument in particular, just look at a
454:55 argument in particular, just look at a pygmy marmicet for a while. It'll be
454:57 pygmy marmicet for a while. It'll be okay. Pygmy marms are so cute. I love
455:01 okay. Pygmy marms are so cute. I love love love a pygmy momm. Um don't get
455:04 love love a pygmy momm. Um don't get them as pets though. They make horrible
455:05 them as pets though. They make horrible pets. All primates make horrible pets.
455:07 pets. All primates make horrible pets. >> I know, but
455:08 >> I know, but >> I had a friend who tried to have one as
455:09 >> I had a friend who tried to have one as a pet for a little while and like all
455:11 a pet for a little while and like all all they told me was like every single
455:13 all they told me was like every single thing in the world smelled like pee and
455:15 thing in the world smelled like pee and it would bite the [ __ ] out of your
455:17 it would bite the [ __ ] out of your hands.
455:17 hands. >> They would just they were like the size
455:19 >> They would just they were like the size of your thumb and they would just eat
455:21 of your thumb and they would just eat your [ __ ] thumb
455:22 your [ __ ] thumb >> and their teeth are actually
455:25 >> and their teeth are actually for their size.
455:27 for their size. >> Their teeth are what? You broke up
455:29 >> Their teeth are what? You broke up there.
455:30 there. >> Did I Did I glitch out? Um they they
455:32 >> Did I Did I glitch out? Um they they have pretty big teeth for their size.
455:33 have pretty big teeth for their size. Like their canines are pretty big. Um,
455:35 Like their canines are pretty big. Um, and they're really really they can be
455:37 and they're really really they can be [ __ ] Like they can be really
455:38 [ __ ] Like they can be really territorial and mean. So that's why
455:40 territorial and mean. So that's why they're pissing everywhere, too.
455:41 they're pissing everywhere, too. Probably.
455:43 Probably. >> Five euros from Daz Lenny. Uh, coming
455:46 >> Five euros from Daz Lenny. Uh, coming soon to a merch shop near you. Forest
455:48 soon to a merch shop near you. Forest annotated deconstruction Bible. No.
455:50 annotated deconstruction Bible. No. People ask me all the time if I'm going
455:52 People ask me all the time if I'm going to sell that thing. I'm never going to
455:52 to sell that thing. I'm never going to sell that thing because there are actual
455:54 sell that thing because there are actual Bible scholars out there that have way
455:55 Bible scholars out there that have way better notes than I could ever make. It
455:56 better notes than I could ever make. It is not my area of expertise. You should
455:58 is not my area of expertise. You should not be taking advice from me on that.
455:59 not be taking advice from me on that. Um, in a real sense, you should be
456:01 Um, in a real sense, you should be listening to my arguments and seeing if
456:02 listening to my arguments and seeing if the arguments make sense. But do not
456:04 the arguments make sense. But do not take me as an authority on the Bible.
456:05 take me as an authority on the Bible. I'm not one.
456:08 I'm not one. >> Steal arguments. Steal good arguments.
456:10 >> Steal arguments. Steal good arguments. That way they spread and more people
456:12 That way they spread and more people know about them. I'm a big I'm a big
456:14 know about them. I'm a big I'm a big perpetuator of that. Site when possible,
456:16 perpetuator of that. Site when possible, but spread good arguments. 10 from Wait,
456:20 but spread good arguments. 10 from Wait, wait. Go back. Go back. I didn't read
456:21 wait. Go back. Go back. I didn't read it.
456:23 it. 10 from GM. What's a banana cost,
456:27 10 from GM. What's a banana cost, Michael? 10. Bananas actually have DNA.
456:31 Michael? 10. Bananas actually have DNA. Actually, we should have skipped this
456:32 Actually, we should have skipped this one. I don't know why I said go back. I
456:33 one. I don't know why I said go back. I didn't know that it was gonna be one of
456:35 didn't know that it was gonna be one of these.
456:35 these. >> DNA and
456:37 >> DNA and uh 4.99 from Floyd Jarvis. Um I just
456:41 uh 4.99 from Floyd Jarvis. Um I just wanted to thank thank Forest for helping
456:44 wanted to thank thank Forest for helping people like me who grew up religious
456:45 people like me who grew up religious deconstruct and Erica forgiven.
456:48 deconstruct and Erica forgiven. Nice. Erica for giving us such great
456:50 Nice. Erica for giving us such great science content. Hell yes.
456:54 science content. Hell yes. >> Did you Did you sprain a muscle using
456:55 >> Did you Did you sprain a muscle using that pun for the six bazillionth time
456:57 that pun for the six bazillionth time that I've seen it in my lifetime?
457:00 that I've seen it in my lifetime? $5 from the negative commenter. TNC.
457:03 $5 from the negative commenter. TNC. Would you ra where would you rather
457:04 Would you ra where would you rather live? Niboo, Camino,
457:07 live? Niboo, Camino, Horusant, or Yavin 4? Personally, I
457:11 Horusant, or Yavin 4? Personally, I would pick Corissant because I hate
457:13 would pick Corissant because I hate sand. Lol. This is a Star Wars kind of
457:16 sand. Lol. This is a Star Wars kind of question. Um,
457:18 question. Um, I'm going to need to I don't remember
457:20 I'm going to need to I don't remember where all of these planets are. Um,
457:22 where all of these planets are. Um, let's see. Hold on. Forest, you you
457:24 let's see. Hold on. Forest, you you answer this first. Naboo.
457:27 answer this first. Naboo. I don't know what any of these are.
457:32 I don't know what any of these are. >> They're Star Wars planets, dude.
457:34 >> They're Star Wars planets, dude. >> Well, yeah, I know they're Star Wars
457:35 >> Well, yeah, I know they're Star Wars planets. I just I don't know anything
457:36 planets. I just I don't know anything about them.
457:38 about them. >> Is the gambling city? I don't like that.
457:40 >> Is the gambling city? I don't like that. I don't like There's no green. Hold on.
457:42 I don't like There's no green. Hold on. I now I'm
457:44 I now I'm >> right away. Niboo looks tight.
457:46 >> right away. Niboo looks tight. >> I'm looking it up. Camino. [ __ ] Camino,
457:48 >> I'm looking it up. Camino. [ __ ] Camino, dude. This [ __ ] looks horrible.
457:49 dude. This [ __ ] looks horrible. Absolutely not. This looks like the This
457:51 Absolutely not. This looks like the This looks like the planet that you turn your
457:53 looks like the planet that you turn your stuff in in Lethal Company. This looks
457:55 stuff in in Lethal Company. This looks like the evil lethal company planet.
457:58 like the evil lethal company planet. >> Um, and
457:59 >> Um, and >> just looks like Mexico.
458:02 >> just looks like Mexico. >> Is it orange?
458:05 >> Is it orange? >> No, it's a joke.
458:11 >> I live in Yavin for No, you don't get the joke. You know how when it's like
458:13 the joke. You know how when it's like the the meme where it's like whenever
458:14 the the meme where it's like whenever somebody does Mexico in a TV show, it's
458:16 somebody does Mexico in a TV show, it's like they color grade it so it's just
458:17 like they color grade it so it's just like yellow or orange to let you know.
458:21 like yellow or orange to let you know. >> I don't know why they do that.
458:23 >> I don't know why they do that. Um,
458:24 Um, >> Coruscant looks interesting, but like
458:28 >> Coruscant looks interesting, but like >> I would want to I would want to live in
458:30 >> I would want to I would want to live in the suburbs outside of Coruscant. I
458:32 the suburbs outside of Coruscant. I don't like this just there there's too
458:33 don't like this just there there's too much going on here. There's no fresh air
458:35 much going on here. There's no fresh air on this planet. You're going to get lung
458:36 on this planet. You're going to get lung cancer on
458:38 cancer on >> Corus. I'm not doing Cororus. I I think
458:40 >> Corus. I'm not doing Cororus. I I think it's a gambling planet. I don't think
458:41 it's a gambling planet. I don't think it's I remember that from one of the
458:43 it's I remember that from one of the movies. It's like a gambling planet.
458:44 movies. It's like a gambling planet. There's no green. How do I live on the
458:47 There's no green. How do I live on the jungle planet? There might be alien
458:49 jungle planet? There might be alien primates there.
458:51 primates there. Vote for Valky. Uh, and I I will lead us
458:54 Vote for Valky. Uh, and I I will lead us into the solar punk future we all
458:56 into the solar punk future we all deserve is what I'm saying.
458:58 deserve is what I'm saying. >> Solar punk. Solar punk. I don't even I
459:02 >> Solar punk. Solar punk. I don't even I don't know what to say about that. Is
459:03 don't know what to say about that. Is this you or is this me? Because I want
459:04 this you or is this me? Because I want to answer it.
459:05 to answer it. >> I don't I'm going to do it. $10. Uh,
459:08 >> I don't I'm going to do it. $10. Uh, from Valer.
459:12 from Valer. Valifer. Um, I recently learned that the
459:15 Valifer. Um, I recently learned that the only other animals that go through
459:16 only other animals that go through menopause besides humans are whales. Why
459:18 menopause besides humans are whales. Why do other mammals have periods but don't
459:20 do other mammals have periods but don't go through menopause or vice versa?
459:23 go through menopause or vice versa? >> Valvafer wrong. We recently found out
459:26 >> Valvafer wrong. We recently found out that chimpanzees also go through
459:28 that chimpanzees also go through menopause. And there was a really really
459:30 menopause. And there was a really really cool paper that came out just last week
459:32 cool paper that came out just last week that gorillas have a very long
459:34 that gorillas have a very long postmenopausal or not postmenopausal,
459:36 postmenopausal or not postmenopausal, post- reproductive life, which is cool
459:38 post- reproductive life, which is cool because if memory serves, they still do
459:41 because if memory serves, they still do menrate but they don't reproduce. Like
459:43 menrate but they don't reproduce. Like they're not investing in kids anymore.
459:45 they're not investing in kids anymore. So that suggests a sort of behavioral
459:47 So that suggests a sort of behavioral precursor to the evolution of something
459:49 precursor to the evolution of something like menopause. Um if I'm remembering
459:52 like menopause. Um if I'm remembering the the contents of that paper
459:53 the the contents of that paper correctly. But yeah, humans, whales, um
459:57 correctly. But yeah, humans, whales, um a couple of different whales, but I
459:58 a couple of different whales, but I think it's mostly tooththed whales if
460:00 think it's mostly tooththed whales if memory serves, odontosets, and then
460:02 memory serves, odontosets, and then chimpanzees. I think there's suspicions
460:04 chimpanzees. I think there's suspicions that things like probacidians might too.
460:07 that things like probacidians might too. But that's super cool because that means
460:08 But that's super cool because that means there's this huge connection between
460:09 there's this huge connection between intelligent social species, menopause,
460:12 intelligent social species, menopause, and the benefit of grandmothering to the
460:15 and the benefit of grandmothering to the survival of great offspring, which is
460:17 survival of great offspring, which is cool cuz grandmas rock and are awesome.
460:20 cool cuz grandmas rock and are awesome. >> They are. They're pretty cool.
460:24 >> They are. They're pretty cool. >> Oh,
460:25 >> Oh, 71 Canadian dollars from
460:29 71 Canadian dollars from >> Panic at the Disco.
460:32 >> Panic at the Disco. Oh,
460:32 Oh, >> well, imagine as I'm pacing the pews in
460:35 >> well, imagine as I'm pacing the pews in a church corridor. Um,
460:37 a church corridor. Um, >> I think 1071 Canadian is like $3. You're
460:41 >> I think 1071 Canadian is like $3. You're American. I don't know. Uh, $10 from Sam
460:45 American. I don't know. Uh, $10 from Sam aka.
460:50 I prefer. I'm going to I'm going to stick with Shmoolie. 10 bucks from
460:51 stick with Shmoolie. 10 bucks from Shmoolie. Uh, what kind of plant should
460:53 Shmoolie. Uh, what kind of plant should you always look out for? An ambush.
460:58 you always look out for? An ambush. That's really good. Don't worry, Erica.
461:00 That's really good. Don't worry, Erica. botany jokes will grow on you. And then
461:02 botany jokes will grow on you. And then they said some other stuff, but Ardan
461:04 they said some other stuff, but Ardan hates you and and took it away from me
461:05 hates you and and took it away from me before I could read it.
461:06 before I could read it. >> No, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to.
461:07 >> No, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. >> Don't hate me deep down. You know that's
461:09 >> Don't hate me deep down. You know that's funny. Thank you very much, Ardan.
461:12 funny. Thank you very much, Ardan. >> I you know, once I felt a feeling deep
461:14 >> I you know, once I felt a feeling deep down when I was reading one of these
461:15 down when I was reading one of these puns, it was kind of like a like a
461:16 puns, it was kind of like a like a tickled burn and I was like, is it is
461:18 tickled burn and I was like, is it is that a is that laughter? Am I about to
461:19 that a is that laughter? Am I about to laugh? And then it was just my stomach
461:21 laugh? And then it was just my stomach ulcers. It wasn't
461:22 ulcers. It wasn't >> I wasn't about to laugh. I was just
461:24 >> I wasn't about to laugh. I was just developing another pathology because of
461:26 developing another pathology because of how unfunny these were. Five Canadian
461:28 how unfunny these were. Five Canadian dollars. Pylori and puns feel very
461:31 dollars. Pylori and puns feel very similar. I think you're actually there
461:33 similar. I think you're actually there may be something there.
461:34 may be something there. >> Yeah, that's why they both start with P.
461:36 >> Yeah, that's why they both start with P. The invers I'm waiting to talk I'm
461:39 The invers I'm waiting to talk I'm waiting to talk about the infinite
461:40 waiting to talk about the infinite universe.
461:43 universe. Is this Pierre? Is this Pierre? I think
461:45 Is this Pierre? Is this Pierre? I think this might be
461:45 this might be >> Pierre is currently waiting.
461:47 >> Pierre is currently waiting. >> This is Pierre. Pierre is waiting.
461:49 >> This is Pierre. Pierre is waiting. Pierre is waiting.
461:50 Pierre is waiting. >> In the time since we started doing super
461:51 >> In the time since we started doing super chats, a third page has grown and we're
461:54 chats, a third page has grown and we're basically at the same location in the
461:56 basically at the same location in the second page. So
461:56 second page. So >> you can't seeing
461:59 >> you can't seeing Maybe pick up the pace just a little
462:01 Maybe pick up the pace just a little bit.
462:02 bit. >> You can't say that kind of [ __ ] dude.
462:05 >> You can't say that kind of [ __ ] dude. You can't tell me that.
462:07 You can't tell me that. >> I feel
462:08 >> I feel >> I feel like it's like Blair Witch where
462:10 >> I feel like it's like Blair Witch where they realize they just went in a big
462:11 they realize they just went in a big circle after traveling for three days.
462:15 circle after traveling for three days. >> Or we got to go fast.
462:16 >> Or we got to go fast. >> Have you guys ever tried acid? Cuz
462:18 >> Have you guys ever tried acid? Cuz that's what this feels like. Yes.
462:19 that's what this feels like. Yes. >> I tried to go for a walk around my block
462:21 >> I tried to go for a walk around my block while high on acid once. Could not
462:23 while high on acid once. Could not recommend. Was bad. Bad time. I it was
462:26 recommend. Was bad. Bad time. I it was the worst experience I ever had on ass.
462:28 the worst experience I ever had on ass. It was when my [ __ ] friend convinced
462:29 It was when my [ __ ] friend convinced me to go on a walk around the block and
462:31 me to go on a walk around the block and then convinced me I was lost right
462:33 then convinced me I was lost right outside my house and that the cops were
462:36 outside my house and that the cops were coming for me and I sprinted around the
462:38 coming for me and I sprinted around the block and was very out of breath and
462:40 block and was very out of breath and very confused on acid and every time I
462:43 very confused on acid and every time I looked in a different direction, reality
462:45 looked in a different direction, reality started all over again. It was [ __ ]
462:47 started all over again. It was [ __ ] horrible. [ __ ] you, Ryan. I'll never
462:48 horrible. [ __ ] you, Ryan. I'll never forgive you for that.
462:49 forgive you for that. >> Absolutely not. No thanks. No thanks.
462:52 >> Absolutely not. No thanks. No thanks. What is this? Is this you?
462:53 What is this? Is this you? >> 1086 from Cory Springer. Uh 10.86 is
462:56 >> 1086 from Cory Springer. Uh 10.86 is just $4.20 plus 666. $6.66. It doesn't
463:01 just $4.20 plus 666. $6.66. It doesn't go any deeper than that. What? Well,
463:03 go any deeper than that. What? Well, that's the whole All right, fine. Thank
463:05 that's the whole All right, fine. Thank you. 420 plus 666. I love it.
463:08 you. 420 plus 666. I love it. >> That is two That is two funny numbers
463:11 >> That is two That is two funny numbers next to each other. Uh 1071 from David
463:13 next to each other. Uh 1071 from David Hacker. Why doesn't Gibbons I got to do
463:15 Hacker. Why doesn't Gibbons I got to do this in my Lur voice. Why doesn't Why
463:18 this in my Lur voice. Why doesn't Why doesn't Gibbons, the smartest host, not
463:20 doesn't Gibbons, the smartest host, not simply eat the other less smart host?
463:23 simply eat the other less smart host? Why doesn't Ross, the biggest friend,
463:25 Why doesn't Ross, the biggest friend, simply eat the
463:27 simply eat the lur of omocron Percy? I
463:31 lur of omocron Percy? I >> 10 pounds from Shaunlo's maths. The
463:34 >> 10 pounds from Shaunlo's maths. The number n 4 / 2 + n 3rd / 3 + n / 6 uh is
463:43 number n 4 / 2 + n 3rd / 3 + n / 6 uh is natural or all natural n. My PhD is
463:47 natural or all natural n. My PhD is about measuring certain type of
463:48 about measuring certain type of symmetry. I'm raising money for my final
463:50 symmetry. I'm raising money for my final year. Please search your wood final
463:51 year. Please search your wood final stretch of PhD to help. Those are all
463:54 stretch of PhD to help. Those are all You know what though?
463:55 You know what though? >> Those are all words and numbers
463:58 >> Those are all words and numbers >> and and some symbols too.
464:00 >> and and some symbols too. >> That's you got that going for you.
464:02 >> That's you got that going for you. >> Forest is a PhD student also. That's how
464:04 >> Forest is a PhD student also. That's how he knew that those were words and
464:06 he knew that those were words and numbers.
464:07 numbers. >> Yeah, I'm real smart, y'all. I studied
464:09 >> Yeah, I'm real smart, y'all. I studied real hard
464:10 real hard >> myself. Uh but it's more fun to ask
464:12 >> myself. Uh but it's more fun to ask here. What's the leading theory as to
464:14 here. What's the leading theory as to why the hair on our heads gets so long?
464:18 why the hair on our heads gets so long? Um, oh, that's a good question. The the
464:20 Um, oh, that's a good question. The the prevailing one for a long time was that
464:22 prevailing one for a long time was that it had something to do with bipedalism
464:24 it had something to do with bipedalism that once you stand upright, um, you so
464:26 that once you stand upright, um, you so we had we have short hair for
464:28 we had we have short hair for thermmorreulation when you're a
464:30 thermmorreulation when you're a quadriped. You don't want the hair to be
464:31 quadriped. You don't want the hair to be overly long when you're living in a
464:32 overly long when you're living in a jungle climate. Then you stand up, you
464:34 jungle climate. Then you stand up, you you lose a lot of the hair for the sake
464:36 you lose a lot of the hair for the sake of thermmorreulation, but at the same
464:37 of thermmorreulation, but at the same time, now your skin is exposed to UV
464:40 time, now your skin is exposed to UV radiation, which is also not good. So,
464:42 radiation, which is also not good. So, what do you do? Grow the hair long where
464:44 what do you do? Grow the hair long where the where the light is most intense,
464:45 the where the light is most intense, which happens to be when you're standing
464:46 which happens to be when you're standing upright on your shoulders and on the top
464:48 upright on your shoulders and on the top of your head where the sun is beating
464:49 of your head where the sun is beating down most intensely. So, the idea is
464:51 down most intensely. So, the idea is that long head hair grew to basically
464:53 that long head hair grew to basically cover those key portions of your body
464:56 cover those key portions of your body and protect them from UV radiation. I
464:58 and protect them from UV radiation. I don't know how much stock I put in that.
465:00 don't know how much stock I put in that. Um, in part because long head hair seems
465:04 Um, in part because long head hair seems to be something that comes and goes,
465:05 to be something that comes and goes, much like skin color, it seems to be
465:07 much like skin color, it seems to be something that evolves and then goes
465:09 something that evolves and then goes away depending on where you live in a
465:12 away depending on where you live in a lot of different people groups. Um, so I
465:14 lot of different people groups. Um, so I would suspect that
465:18 would suspect that something to do with thermmore
465:18 something to do with thermmore regulation, something to do with drift,
465:20 regulation, something to do with drift, and something to do with sexual
465:22 and something to do with sexual selection. I would wager it's a lot of
465:23 selection. I would wager it's a lot of those things interacting with one
465:24 those things interacting with one another. Um, 20 Canadian dollars from
465:28 another. Um, 20 Canadian dollars from Reverend Nate, 2735. I've accidentally
465:30 Reverend Nate, 2735. I've accidentally set my V
465:32 set my V recruiting nonsense and no one
465:33 recruiting nonsense and no one threatening people while offering
465:35 threatening people while offering incentives if illegal people turn
465:36 incentives if illegal people turn themselves into ICE. The fascists have
465:39 themselves into ICE. The fascists have hijacked YouTube ads. Oh, my friend.
465:42 hijacked YouTube ads. Oh, my friend. Just imagine living here.
465:46 Just imagine living here. You get to see them in billboards, too.
465:49 You get to see them in billboards, too. >> They're [ __ ] great.
465:51 >> They're [ __ ] great. >> Oh my god, they're the worst. Uh, hey,
465:53 >> Oh my god, they're the worst. Uh, hey, if you if you out there uh aren't, you
465:57 if you if you out there uh aren't, you know, [ __ ] tough enough for the
465:59 know, [ __ ] tough enough for the military and just really don't like the
466:01 military and just really don't like the Constitution and hate immigrants more
466:03 Constitution and hate immigrants more than you hate pedophiles, sign up today.
466:06 than you hate pedophiles, sign up today. ICE is looking for you. Um, $5 from the
466:10 ICE is looking for you. Um, $5 from the negative commentator. Uh, turns out
466:13 negative commentator. Uh, turns out there are huge issues with all service
466:15 there are huge issues with all service providers today. So, internet is just
466:17 providers today. So, internet is just going to suck today. And we [ __ ]
466:19 going to suck today. And we [ __ ] Luxander's crashing and and and Erica's
466:22 Luxander's crashing and and and Erica's blipping in and out of existence.
466:25 blipping in and out of existence. For the first time in my life,
466:27 For the first time in my life, >> later half of this show and and Jimmy's
466:28 >> later half of this show and and Jimmy's internet was also crapping out today, so
466:30 internet was also crapping out today, so it's got to be related.
466:31 it's got to be related. >> Yeah, for the first time in my entire
466:33 >> Yeah, for the first time in my entire [ __ ] life, I'm happy with Cox
466:34 [ __ ] life, I'm happy with Cox Communications and that makes me sad.
466:37 Communications and that makes me sad. >> I hope you guys know the sacrifice I
466:38 >> I hope you guys know the sacrifice I made. I used like probably 25% of my
466:42 made. I used like probably 25% of my monthly data doing this show.
466:45 monthly data doing this show. on my phone. When I was using my
466:47 on my phone. When I was using my hotspot, the streaming was just
466:48 hotspot, the streaming was just absolutely gobbling. So, I'm going to
466:51 absolutely gobbling. So, I'm going to need to make sure I'm on Wi-Fi only for
466:52 need to make sure I'm on Wi-Fi only for the next month. You're welcome. $15
466:55 the next month. You're welcome. $15 Canadian dollars from Pure Reform 42.
466:57 Canadian dollars from Pure Reform 42. Don't say I never did anything for you.
466:58 Don't say I never did anything for you. Been following a UK independent artist
467:00 Been following a UK independent artist called Ren. Amazing artist. Anyone can
467:02 called Ren. Amazing artist. Anyone can react and monetize his stuff. He
467:04 react and monetize his stuff. He supports other indie artists and he
467:05 supports other indie artists and he built an amazing community and still
467:06 built an amazing community and still makes money. That's the crazy thing when
467:08 makes money. That's the crazy thing when we were talking with um is that it's
467:10 we were talking with um is that it's like it's crazy but it's almost it's
467:13 like it's crazy but it's almost it's which was still profitable to like not
467:16 which was still profitable to like not try to squeeze every dime out of
467:17 try to squeeze every dime out of everything you create and feel like you
467:18 everything you create and feel like you need to monetize your every thought. I I
467:21 need to monetize your every thought. I I don't know. Whatever. I um
467:24 don't know. Whatever. I um >> it makes you cooler.
467:24 >> it makes you cooler. >> I need I'm going to get another drink.
467:27 >> I need I'm going to get another drink. Here's my opinion on Stranger Things.
467:29 Here's my opinion on Stranger Things. The last season I watched was season 3,
467:31 The last season I watched was season 3, so I'm behind. But I did like the first
467:33 so I'm behind. But I did like the first three seasons. Um those kids have grown
467:35 three seasons. Um those kids have grown up doing that show. I wonder what what
467:37 up doing that show. I wonder what what that's like. And then uh thank you for
467:39 that's like. And then uh thank you for the love dealing with the regime. Uh it
467:41 the love dealing with the regime. Uh it sucks. It's not fun. Airb,
467:44 sucks. It's not fun. Airb, >> uh much love to you from New Zealand.
467:45 >> uh much love to you from New Zealand. Have either watch Stranger Things. Yeah,
467:47 Have either watch Stranger Things. Yeah, I've watched a little bit of it now. I'm
467:48 I've watched a little bit of it now. I'm also not caught up. Uh if so, are you
467:49 also not caught up. Uh if so, are you excited about season now? I have to
467:52 excited about season now? I have to watch the rest of it. Uh much love to
467:54 watch the rest of it. Uh much love to you America having to deal with Trump's
467:55 you America having to deal with Trump's tyrannical regime. It's awful. Um and
467:57 tyrannical regime. It's awful. Um and they're just trampling all over the
467:59 they're just trampling all over the Constitution. And I got to tell you,
468:00 Constitution. And I got to tell you, man, uh Trump literally just leveling a
468:04 man, uh Trump literally just leveling a major chunk of the White House.
468:07 major chunk of the White House. The symbolism is is is solid.
468:10 The symbolism is is is solid. It's supposed to be 100% accurate. I've
468:12 It's supposed to be 100% accurate. I've never done one of these. I don't know
468:13 never done one of these. I don't know what the [ __ ] you're asking me here or
468:15 what the [ __ ] you're asking me here or how much money you paid me to to answer
468:16 how much money you paid me to to answer you. Um
468:17 you. Um >> they didn't pay money. I This is how I
468:19 >> they didn't pay money. I This is how I search for super chats and that one just
468:20 search for super chats and that one just got added by accident. Oops.
468:22 got added by accident. Oops. >> Nice.
468:24 >> Nice. Uh 10 bucks from Mr. Buru 10 forest.
468:27 Uh 10 bucks from Mr. Buru 10 forest. It's no longer country. It's rural pop.
468:29 It's no longer country. It's rural pop. Uh, while losing girlfriends, houses,
468:31 Uh, while losing girlfriends, houses, trucks, and dogs, all while licking
468:33 trucks, and dogs, all while licking boots, drinking beers, and by the lake,
468:35 boots, drinking beers, and by the lake, and waving the old red, white, and blue.
468:37 and waving the old red, white, and blue. I like that. Rural pop. That's great. 10
468:39 I like that. Rural pop. That's great. 10 Canadian dollars from Ronald Reagan's
468:41 Canadian dollars from Ronald Reagan's puss. What the [ __ ] Uh, hey GG. Uh,
468:44 puss. What the [ __ ] Uh, hey GG. Uh, love the extra long show tonight. You
468:46 love the extra long show tonight. You and Forest are always a great duo. I'm
468:47 and Forest are always a great duo. I'm curious how close you are to getting
468:49 curious how close you are to getting your PhD. Hopefully, not too much
468:50 your PhD. Hopefully, not too much longer. I'm not going to let her answer
468:51 longer. I'm not going to let her answer this question. Uh, she's I'm going to
468:53 this question. Uh, she's I'm going to say for she's 10 years away. That's what
468:55 say for she's 10 years away. That's what it is. Uh $10 from Cardinal Chimp. Uh
468:59 it is. Uh $10 from Cardinal Chimp. Uh this is just so TNC has to look at it.
469:01 this is just so TNC has to look at it. Stranger Things 4 is the best season, if
469:04 Stranger Things 4 is the best season, if only because of Eddie Mson. There you
469:06 only because of Eddie Mson. There you go. Those are all words as well. Take
469:08 go. Those are all words as well. Take that, y'all. Uh $5 from the negative
469:10 that, y'all. Uh $5 from the negative commentator. Uh season 4 of Stranger
469:12 commentator. Uh season 4 of Stranger Things was mediocre. And I don't give a
469:13 Things was mediocre. And I don't give a [ __ ] if I pissed y'all off. Uh not
469:15 [ __ ] if I pissed y'all off. Uh not everything is The Godfather or 12 Anger
469:18 everything is The Godfather or 12 Anger Men. Live with it. Uh those What the
469:20 Men. Live with it. Uh those What the [ __ ] does that mean?
469:22 [ __ ] does that mean? >> Keep going.
469:23 >> Keep going. >> What's going on here? I was I was
469:24 >> What's going on here? I was I was burning through them. Uh $4.99 from Mr.
469:27 burning through them. Uh $4.99 from Mr. Briefs. Erica, if humans are not 50%
469:29 Briefs. Erica, if humans are not 50% banana, then what is the split?
469:32 banana, then what is the split? >> I'm so glad you came back just in time
469:34 >> I'm so glad you came back just in time for this one.
469:35 for this one. >> It's like sub 20 sub 17% as far as like
469:40 >> It's like sub 20 sub 17% as far as like >> actual genes go. Something thereabouts.
469:42 >> actual genes go. Something thereabouts. >> About 20% about 20% banana split.
469:49 >> I should have brought more alcohol. I should have just got the liquor and
469:50 should have just got the liquor and brought it up here. That's unbelievable.
469:52 brought it up here. That's unbelievable. I thought that was a serious question.
469:54 I thought that was a serious question. 10. Uh, first of all, first of all,
469:56 10. Uh, first of all, first of all, first of all, I'm going to come to your
469:58 first of all, I'm going to come to your house and I'm going to force feed you so
470:01 house and I'm going to force feed you so many bananas that you [ __ ] explode
470:04 many bananas that you [ __ ] explode like um like in an itchy and scratchy
470:07 like um like in an itchy and scratchy cartoon or like a like a Tom and Jerry
470:08 cartoon or like a like a Tom and Jerry type thing. Second of all, five from
470:11 type thing. Second of all, five from Desenny. It's 2:15 in the morning. Not
470:13 Desenny. It's 2:15 in the morning. Not sure if I can handle three more hours,
470:16 sure if I can handle three more hours, but
470:17 but I really want to see Roland get fed.
470:20 I really want to see Roland get fed. Food for the closet goblin. What's that?
470:22 Food for the closet goblin. What's that? What's
470:22 What's >> on the other hand? I think
470:23 >> on the other hand? I think >> on the other hand, okay, I want to see
470:25 >> on the other hand, okay, I want to see Roland get fed food for the claws and
470:26 Roland get fed food for the claws and goblin. Yeah, that guy force starves
470:29 goblin. Yeah, that guy force starves them. That's really sad.
470:31 them. That's really sad. >> How dare you? How dare you? Uh 50 frigid
470:35 >> How dare you? How dare you? Uh 50 frigid dollars from where is Waldo, brother. We
470:38 dollars from where is Waldo, brother. We all want to know. Um, keep making the
470:40 all want to know. Um, keep making the world better. Thanks for all you do.
470:41 world better. Thanks for all you do. Don't tell me what to do.
470:43 Don't tell me what to do. >> We're We're on We're on the first page.
470:45 >> We're We're on We're on the first page. Like 15 more to go. Okay, let's power
470:47 Like 15 more to go. Okay, let's power through these and then we'll take some
470:48 through these and then we'll take some more calls.
470:49 more calls. >> Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. We have
470:51 >> Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. We have >> we have two callers on the line. So,
470:53 >> we have two callers on the line. So, theist, get your call. We had a theist
470:55 theist, get your call. We had a theist calling in that wanted to say something
470:56 calling in that wanted to say something about evolution and they hung up. Uh, so
470:59 about evolution and they hung up. Uh, so call back in to you and then also
471:01 call back in to you and then also everybody else. Let's talk about
471:03 everybody else. Let's talk about evolution, y'all.
471:06 evolution, y'all. >> We got 15 million dollars from pure
471:08 >> We got 15 million dollars from pure reform. 42. Most provinces in Canada
471:10 reform. 42. Most provinces in Canada regulate naturopathy. My friend did a
471:12 regulate naturopathy. My friend did a BS. Did a BSS. Did a BS. I don't know
471:16 BS. Did a BSS. Did a BS. I don't know why there's a second S there. And
471:17 why there's a second S there. And biochem. And then a four-year program
471:19 biochem. And then a four-year program for we also have um MDs going back to
471:23 for we also have um MDs going back to learn about homeopathy on the other
471:25 learn about homeopathy on the other hand. Um I can't speak to it. Force
471:27 hand. Um I can't speak to it. Force would know about more about that than
471:28 would know about more about that than me, but the last time I checked there
471:30 me, but the last time I checked there was a lot of um there was a lot of
471:32 was a lot of um there was a lot of hawking going on with that here in the
471:34 hawking going on with that here in the States, but I don't know
471:37 States, but I don't know >> what was it about about homeopathy and
471:40 >> what was it about about homeopathy and and biochemistry.
471:41 and biochemistry. >> Sure.
471:42 >> Sure. It was It was like naturopathy good,
471:44 It was It was like naturopathy good, homeopathy bad. Or like nuropathy can be
471:47 homeopathy bad. Or like nuropathy can be good. Homeopathy bad.
471:50 good. Homeopathy bad. >> Uh, not as far as I know. Uh, that's the
471:53 >> Uh, not as far as I know. Uh, that's the Yeah. Uh, you want to learn homeopathy?
471:55 Yeah. Uh, you want to learn homeopathy? Yeah. No, no, no, no. Uh, five bucks
471:57 Yeah. No, no, no, no. Uh, five bucks from the negative commentator Forest.
471:59 from the negative commentator Forest. Don't forget that Trump needs his
472:00 Don't forget that Trump needs his ballroom. Remember how is climate change
472:02 ballroom. Remember how is climate change without his ballroom? Right.
472:05 without his ballroom? Right. >> The Hitler levels, y'all. I I just like
472:08 >> The Hitler levels, y'all. I I just like just everybody remember like I just want
472:11 just everybody remember like I just want everybody to remember that Obama was
472:13 everybody to remember that Obama was crucified for putting DJ John Mustard on
472:16 crucified for putting DJ John Mustard on a hamburger. That was that was a part of
472:19 a hamburger. That was that was a part of the 24-hour news cycle.
472:20 the 24-hour news cycle. >> The tan suit was a part of the 24-hour
472:22 >> The tan suit was a part of the 24-hour news cycle. The basketball court was a
472:25 news cycle. The basketball court was a part of the 24-hour news cycle.
472:29 part of the 24-hour news cycle. The latte Trump demolishes the east wing
472:32 The latte Trump demolishes the east wing of the ice the ice. I I was already
472:34 of the ice the ice. I I was already slipping into the second thing.
472:35 slipping into the second thing. demolishes the east wing of the White
472:36 demolishes the east wing of the White House, has ICE arresting people and
472:39 House, has ICE arresting people and including children and throwing them
472:40 including children and throwing them into unmarked vans, um is exacerbating
472:43 into unmarked vans, um is exacerbating climate change, is a pedophile, and 10
472:46 climate change, is a pedophile, and 10 10,000 other things. It's like six
472:49 10,000 other things. It's like six impeachment worthy crimes every single
472:51 impeachment worthy crimes every single day. And just us talking about this
472:54 day. And just us talking about this right now is probably going to get us
472:55 right now is probably going to get us put in a camp in about two and a half
472:57 put in a camp in about two and a half years. So, we'll see what happens when
472:59 years. So, we'll see what happens when he goes for his fourth term or sorry,
473:02 he goes for his fourth term or sorry, >> third term. Yeah, third term.
473:05 >> third term. Yeah, third term. Yeah, which by the way, Steve Bannon,
473:07 Yeah, which by the way, Steve Bannon, he's already selling Trump 2028 hats and
473:10 he's already selling Trump 2028 hats and Trump 28 flags and all the cultists are
473:11 Trump 28 flags and all the cultists are buying all the Trump 2028 merch and
473:14 buying all the Trump 2028 merch and everyone's like, "Oh, he's just
473:15 everyone's like, "Oh, he's just trolling. He's just Steve Bannon
473:17 trolling. He's just Steve Bannon literally just said in an interview,
473:19 literally just said in an interview, he's absolutely running again in 2028.
473:21 he's absolutely running again in 2028. What do you of course we're doing that?"
473:22 What do you of course we're doing that?" And the interviewer was like, "Doesn't
473:23 And the interviewer was like, "Doesn't that violate the Constitution?" He's
473:24 that violate the Constitution?" He's like, "There's ways around it. We're
473:26 like, "There's ways around it. We're going to make it work. He's absolutely
473:27 going to make it work. He's absolutely not. He's getting a third term." That is
473:29 not. He's getting a third term." That is absolutely their plan. And every [ __ ]
473:32 absolutely their plan. And every [ __ ] time we say, "Hey, their plan is this
473:34 time we say, "Hey, their plan is this really evil [ __ ] thing." All the
473:36 really evil [ __ ] thing." All the [ __ ] cultists say, "No, no, no. He
473:38 [ __ ] cultists say, "No, no, no. He would never do something so evil." And
473:39 would never do something so evil." And then he does something that evil and you
473:41 then he does something that evil and you all just continue licking his wrinkly
473:43 all just continue licking his wrinkly old sack and saying that whatever it is
473:44 old sack and saying that whatever it is is good. So like just [ __ ] I dare I
473:47 is good. So like just [ __ ] I dare I dare you to find a line. Just find a
473:49 dare you to find a line. Just find a line somewhere. I I can't believe it.
473:52 line somewhere. I I can't believe it. >> The line was about 80 Rubicons ago. The
473:54 >> The line was about 80 Rubicons ago. The line doesn't exist. It's There is none.
473:57 line doesn't exist. It's There is none. There never will be one. And you know
473:59 There never will be one. And you know you know what the worst part is? You
474:00 you know what the worst part is? You know what the worst [ __ ] part is? Is
474:02 know what the worst [ __ ] part is? Is in 50 years, less than that, 30 years,
474:05 in 50 years, less than that, 30 years, half these Yahoos will claim that they
474:06 half these Yahoos will claim that they were against it the whole time,
474:09 were against it the whole time, >> which is going to be inferior.
474:10 >> which is going to be inferior. >> Absolutely.
474:11 >> Absolutely. >> 999 from Outwitted by fish. How can I
474:13 >> 999 from Outwitted by fish. How can I know if I'm agnostic? Would that even be
474:16 know if I'm agnostic? Would that even be knowable? Damn know. Damn, I know.
474:22 knowable? Damn know. Damn, I know. >> Nice.
474:23 >> Nice. >> Five bucks from Leia Silver Bow. I'm
474:25 >> Five bucks from Leia Silver Bow. I'm going to donate my body to science when
474:26 going to donate my body to science when I die. That's the only chance of uh
474:29 I die. That's the only chance of uh getting into medical school. Hell yeah.
474:33 getting into medical school. Hell yeah. >> My husband wants to be taxiderermy and
474:35 >> My husband wants to be taxiderermy and put in the house. I I'm not really sure.
474:38 put in the house. I I'm not really sure. >> Yeah. Is is is um Amber going to do your
474:41 >> Yeah. Is is is um Amber going to do your tax for you?
474:43 tax for you? >> I mean, I don't think she'd be
474:44 >> I mean, I don't think she'd be comfortable doing that. She She's not a
474:46 comfortable doing that. She She's not a biologist, but like she she would
474:48 biologist, but like she she would probably pay for it.
474:50 probably pay for it. Luke wants me to do his because he know
474:52 Luke wants me to do his because he know specifically because he wants his
474:53 specifically because he wants his taxiderermy job to look like one of
474:55 taxiderermy job to look like one of those dog [ __ ] ones from like the 1600s.
474:57 those dog [ __ ] ones from like the 1600s. I don't know. I don't know what's I
474:58 I don't know. I don't know what's I don't know what the deal is. I can't
475:00 don't know what the deal is. I can't even be I can't even begin to dissect
475:02 even be I can't even begin to dissect what's going on there. Oh, haha. I get
475:03 what's going on there. Oh, haha. I get it. Dissect. Very funny. I I'm getting
475:06 it. Dissect. Very funny. I I'm getting so punchy. I'm like making puns myself.
475:08 so punchy. I'm like making puns myself. $10 from President Starcream. What do
475:11 $10 from President Starcream. What do you think is the most significant cause
475:12 you think is the most significant cause of ma current mass extinction, global
475:14 of ma current mass extinction, global warming or loss of habitat?
475:17 warming or loss of habitat? Oh man. um
475:23 cause of mass extinction. I'm going to pick neither. I'm actually going to go
475:26 pick neither. I'm actually going to go with agricultural runoff of all
475:30 with agricultural runoff of all varieties for insect and marine
475:32 varieties for insect and marine populations. I think that's what's
475:34 populations. I think that's what's killing the majority of species um
475:38 killing the majority of species um species instead of a lot of big sexy
475:40 species instead of a lot of big sexy species that are like more well-known.
475:42 species that are like more well-known. That that would be my guess if you were
475:43 That that would be my guess if you were to tally it up. But it's all climate
475:45 to tally it up. But it's all climate change. I mean, it all melds into each
475:47 change. I mean, it all melds into each other itself and each other.
475:49 other itself and each other. >> 10 asked dollars and Darren McColl of
475:51 >> 10 asked dollars and Darren McColl of Harry Potter tattoos have a
475:52 Harry Potter tattoos have a significantly higher regret rate than
475:54 significantly higher regret rate than gender affirming surgeries, says the
475:56 gender affirming surgeries, says the meme. I hope that's true. How will we
475:57 meme. I hope that's true. How will we find out if it is true? Yeah, I I've
475:59 find out if it is true? Yeah, I I've heard that meme as well. I don't know
476:00 heard that meme as well. I don't know about that. What I can say for sure is
476:02 about that. What I can say for sure is that like just unbelievably high
476:05 that like just unbelievably high quantity of like all sorts of medical
476:08 quantity of like all sorts of medical procedures that everyone would agree is
476:09 procedures that everyone would agree is legitimate are significantly high. Like
476:12 legitimate are significantly high. Like you know joint replacements, lasic eye
476:15 you know joint replacements, lasic eye surgery like LASIC eye surgery is like
476:17 surgery like LASIC eye surgery is like four or five times more likely to have a
476:19 four or five times more likely to have a regret rate than any like even the most
476:22 regret rate than any like even the most insanely liberal estimates of like
476:24 insanely liberal estimates of like gender affirming care regret. Like it
476:26 gender affirming care regret. Like it it's ridiculous.
476:32 This one's you. Wait, is it you? It might be me.
476:34 might be me. >> I don't know.
476:35 >> I don't know. >> Okay, we have 10 Canadian dollars from
476:37 >> Okay, we have 10 Canadian dollars from Reverend Nate. 2735. All primates make
476:40 Reverend Nate. 2735. All primates make horrible pets is pretty much my best
476:41 horrible pets is pretty much my best explanation for why I got a vasectomy.
476:43 explanation for why I got a vasectomy. Um, yeah. And a human having a child is
476:47 Um, yeah. And a human having a child is like having a a pet having a pet spider
476:49 like having a a pet having a pet spider monkey that slowly learns how to talk
476:51 monkey that slowly learns how to talk and then fight you on everything like
476:54 and then fight you on everything like going to school.
476:56 going to school. >> No less biting though.
476:58 >> No less biting though. >> No less biting. 999 from overly polite
477:01 >> No less biting. 999 from overly polite rebel. That's it's a cat with a shark
477:03 rebel. That's it's a cat with a shark fin. What's going on with that? Uh Erica
477:05 fin. What's going on with that? Uh Erica and Forest. This is my foster child,
477:08 and Forest. This is my foster child, Dave. Foster cat, David. [ __ ] Um, how
477:10 Dave. Foster cat, David. [ __ ] Um, how would you caption my PFP? Also, what is
477:13 would you caption my PFP? Also, what is something you recently learned that
477:14 something you recently learned that excited you out of love for this stream?
477:17 excited you out of love for this stream? No puns, all [ __ ]
477:19 No puns, all [ __ ] >> Okay, here's how I would caption this.
477:21 >> Okay, here's how I would caption this. And I know I know I'm I'm sort of
477:24 And I know I know I'm I'm sort of appealing to the crowd here. I'm going
477:25 appealing to the crowd here. I'm going against my better nature. I would
477:26 against my better nature. I would caption it pause like in Jaws font
477:31 caption it pause like in Jaws font because it's like a cat
477:33 because it's like a cat >> and it's Jaws but it's pause. I
477:35 >> and it's Jaws but it's pause. I recognize that that is a pun. I feel
477:37 recognize that that is a pun. I feel sick to my stomach selling out like
477:39 sick to my stomach selling out like this. But if I had to caption it in like
477:41 this. But if I had to caption it in like some kind of competition, I would know
477:42 some kind of competition, I would know that that would win and so that's what I
477:44 that that would win and so that's what I would go with. As for something exciting
477:46 would go with. As for something exciting I learned recently, there was a paper
477:47 I learned recently, there was a paper that came out um on like the the newest
477:50 that came out um on like the the newest fossil paranthropist um material and
477:53 fossil paranthropist um material and it's a full hand. So, we now know what
477:55 it's a full hand. So, we now know what the hands of Paranthropus look like. And
477:57 the hands of Paranthropus look like. And what's really really cool about it is
477:58 what's really really cool about it is that it has some features that are very
478:00 that it has some features that are very gorillaesque, but it also has a full
478:03 gorillaesque, but it also has a full precision grip and the human finger um
478:06 precision grip and the human finger um uh length ratio. So, this was a an an
478:10 uh length ratio. So, this was a an an animal that had big beefy hands with big
478:12 animal that had big beefy hands with big thick fingers, but one that was capable
478:14 thick fingers, but one that was capable of and thus probably did make tools,
478:17 of and thus probably did make tools, which is neat.
478:19 which is neat. >> Right on. Right on. I love that. You
478:21 >> Right on. Right on. I love that. You answered both of them and I'm not going
478:23 answered both of them and I'm not going to answer any of them. Uh, $5 from Eric
478:26 to answer any of them. Uh, $5 from Eric Sto. Uh, catching up on four times
478:29 Sto. Uh, catching up on four times speed. You two are my favorite co-hosts.
478:31 speed. You two are my favorite co-hosts. Rob sucks and CST would be the best
478:34 Rob sucks and CST would be the best standard time, but we are in CDT until
478:37 standard time, but we are in CDT until daylight saving times. And look, dude, I
478:39 daylight saving times. And look, dude, I don't know what anything is. I'm just
478:41 don't know what anything is. I'm just I'm just here. All right.
478:43 I'm just here. All right. >> Daylight savings time coming here soon
478:45 >> Daylight savings time coming here soon when it's all the sun is already setting
478:47 when it's all the sun is already setting at like 6:00 or 6:30 or whatever. I Why?
478:51 at like 6:00 or 6:30 or whatever. I Why? Why? Why are we doing this? I thought
478:52 Why? Why are we doing this? I thought that was the one thing that was
478:54 that was the one thing that was bipartisan that made it through Congress
478:55 bipartisan that made it through Congress or whatever, like a couple of years ago
478:57 or whatever, like a couple of years ago and then nothing happened. Nothing ever
478:58 and then nothing happened. Nothing ever happens. I [ __ ] hate this place.
479:01 happens. I [ __ ] hate this place. That's not true. Too much stuff happens
479:02 That's not true. Too much stuff happens and it's all bad. $4.99 from Chilawa.
479:05 and it's all bad. $4.99 from Chilawa. Did y'all I already know where this is
479:06 Did y'all I already know where this is going. Did y'all hear about the new type
479:07 going. Did y'all hear about the new type of poo the scientist covered? They said
479:09 of poo the scientist covered? They said it was created by feciation.
479:14 it was created by feciation. Feiation.
479:15 Feiation. Like speciation.
479:18 Like speciation. >> I'm going to kill you, Chili.
479:21 >> I'm going to kill you, Chili. And I'm gonna it's going to be with it's
479:23 And I'm gonna it's going to be with it's going to be anime related to add to your
479:25 going to be anime related to add to your your shame.
479:33 Okay. 4.99 from Mikey's lock. Come to the mobile Nobel conference at Gustavos
479:37 the mobile Nobel conference at Gustavos in uh my nipples next year. No, but
479:41 in uh my nipples next year. No, but thank you for the
479:42 thank you for the >> little puppy. Those big old satellite
479:44 >> little puppy. Those big old satellite dishes on that dog. Look at this cat
479:46 dishes on that dog. Look at this cat too. So cute. Five Australian dollars
479:48 too. So cute. Five Australian dollars from Charlotte Fra. Thoughts on the
479:50 from Charlotte Fra. Thoughts on the Nature Medicine paper for the first time
479:52 Nature Medicine paper for the first time documenting protein changes in trans
479:54 documenting protein changes in trans women to fully mimic their cyst
479:55 women to fully mimic their cyst counterparts. Much love. I did not hear
479:57 counterparts. Much love. I did not hear about this.
479:57 about this. >> Yeah,
479:58 >> Yeah, >> that sounds super cool though.
479:59 >> that sounds super cool though. >> Sounds like
480:00 >> Sounds like >> it. It's only Just wait. Just you wait.
480:04 >> it. It's only Just wait. Just you wait. If they found out with a perfect way to
480:06 If they found out with a perfect way to completely genetically engineer and
480:08 completely genetically engineer and change somebody's like every fiber of
480:10 change somebody's like every fiber of their being, it still wouldn't be good
480:12 their being, it still wouldn't be good enough. People would be like, "Yeah, but
480:13 enough. People would be like, "Yeah, but their soul is actually assigned male
480:15 their soul is actually assigned male leer." Like it would be some insane [ __ ]
480:18 leer." Like it would be some insane [ __ ] like that. It would be unbelievable.
480:20 like that. It would be unbelievable. >> I [ __ ] I love the the pictures where
480:22 >> I [ __ ] I love the the pictures where it's like a picture of like glasses and
480:24 it's like a picture of like glasses and it's like transphobes be like sand.
480:27 it's like transphobes be like sand. It's so [ __ ] good.
480:30 It's so [ __ ] good. Uh five bucks from uh the Marie 36. Uh I
480:34 Uh five bucks from uh the Marie 36. Uh I made a comic about a toucan and a parrot
480:36 made a comic about a toucan and a parrot laughing at an ostrich who is walking
480:37 laughing at an ostrich who is walking away and crying. I'm tired of being
480:39 away and crying. I'm tired of being ostrich sized. For us, please laugh at
480:42 ostrich sized. For us, please laugh at my joke. That is a good joke though. For
480:43 my joke. That is a good joke though. For real. That's a good joke. At least you
480:45 real. That's a good joke. At least you drew it. I would like to see the
480:46 drew it. I would like to see the drawing. Like, I bet the drawing would
480:48 drawing. Like, I bet the drawing would be kind of cute. Um, ostriches are fun
480:50 be kind of cute. Um, ostriches are fun to draw. We got $10 from Space Barbarian
480:53 to draw. We got $10 from Space Barbarian 34.84. Cox is a very appropriately named
480:55 34.84. Cox is a very appropriately named company. That's true. And anybody who's
480:57 company. That's true. And anybody who's had Cox um knows that
481:00 had Cox um knows that >> there's that the like the one joke I
481:02 >> there's that the like the one joke I remember from [ __ ] Scrubs where
481:05 remember from [ __ ] Scrubs where [ __ ] Dr. Reed hates Dr. Cox and she's
481:07 [ __ ] Dr. Reed hates Dr. Cox and she's like, I made a chat room called I hate
481:09 like, I made a chat room called I hate Cox for everybody to talk about how much
481:10 Cox for everybody to talk about how much I hate you. I got three doctors and
481:12 I hate you. I got three doctors and 4,000 lesbians. was like, "Yeah, dude."
481:16 4,000 lesbians. was like, "Yeah, dude." >> Uh, five Canadian dollars,
481:19 >> Uh, five Canadian dollars, >> dude. It was good. So good. Uh, five
481:21 >> dude. It was good. So good. Uh, five Canadian dollars. Uh, from Zariki. I I
481:26 Canadian dollars. Uh, from Zariki. I I should have remembered how to say this.
481:27 should have remembered how to say this. Zar Niranar.
481:30 Zar Niranar. Uh, do I ask a question that will evoke
481:33 Uh, do I ask a question that will evoke a long response to annoy Ardan? No, I
481:36 a long response to annoy Ardan? No, I won't. Just hurry up and get to the end
481:37 won't. Just hurry up and get to the end of super chats. You can do it. I love
481:39 of super chats. You can do it. I love that we spent time reading it, though.
481:41 that we spent time reading it, though. That's great.
481:42 That's great. >> Yeah, we did. Also, also hold on
481:44 >> Yeah, we did. Also, also hold on checking.
481:45 checking. >> We are so close. Don't do this to me.
481:47 >> We are so close. Don't do this to me. Don't do so close.
481:48 Don't do so close. >> Callers call in.
481:50 >> Callers call in. >> Everyone send in your super chats now.
481:52 >> Everyone send in your super chats now. >> Pendal from Inkernon
481:56 >> Pendal from Inkernon Inkonmus
481:58 Inkonmus like anonymous. Inksteronomous. Got it.
482:00 like anonymous. Inksteronomous. Got it. Hello Forest and Erica. I wanted to
482:03 Hello Forest and Erica. I wanted to thank you for all the content that keeps
482:04 thank you for all the content that keeps me sane while delivering mail. Also, I
482:07 me sane while delivering mail. Also, I wanted to hear Forest do a state acronym
482:09 wanted to hear Forest do a state acronym for me from Washington without calling
482:11 for me from Washington without calling in. That is Washington.
482:16 in. That is Washington. >> I I've always thought it was whiny
482:18 >> I I've always thought it was whiny axelottals. But hey,
482:21 axelottals. But hey, >> and he didn't even have to ask Chad GPT
482:23 >> and he didn't even have to ask Chad GPT for that. I'm never letting that go, by
482:25 for that. I'm never letting that go, by the way. And you know, the funniest part
482:26 the way. And you know, the funniest part about it is that no one saw and no one
482:28 about it is that no one saw and no one cared and then you brought it up. That's
482:30 cared and then you brought it up. That's That's
482:33 That's >> classic. $5 from Bramley CX. What are
482:36 >> classic. $5 from Bramley CX. What are the blossoms of a dogwood tree called?
482:38 the blossoms of a dogwood tree called? Cauliflower. That's interesting. That
482:41 Cauliflower. That's interesting. That mug looks like it might be able to
482:42 mug looks like it might be able to squish you from a high height,
482:45 squish you from a high height, >> killing you instant.
482:47 >> killing you instant. >> From Pibble Punk. Uh, human composting
482:50 >> From Pibble Punk. Uh, human composting needs to be a lot more common. I want to
482:51 needs to be a lot more common. I want to be in a freaking flower bed when I die,
482:53 be in a freaking flower bed when I die, y'all. Uh, check out these Pibble Punk
482:56 y'all. Uh, check out these Pibble Punk flavor tomatoes. You know what, though?
482:58 flavor tomatoes. You know what, though? Hell yeah. I would absolutely uh feed a
483:01 Hell yeah. I would absolutely uh feed a bunch of people with a garden made from
483:03 bunch of people with a garden made from my rotting stinking corpse. People would
483:05 my rotting stinking corpse. People would like that.
483:06 like that. >> Yeah. I don't know. I I really like the
483:08 >> Yeah. I don't know. I I really like the idea of my bones being mounted. Not my I
483:12 idea of my bones being mounted. Not my I don't want to be taxiderermy, but I want
483:13 don't want to be taxiderermy, but I want my bones to be preserved. I think that
483:15 my bones to be preserved. I think that would be kind of cool. Plus, I've always
483:17 would be kind of cool. Plus, I've always wanted to know the shape of my own
483:18 wanted to know the shape of my own skull. I I' I'd be interested to think
483:20 skull. I I' I'd be interested to think if someone thinks that it's like a cool
483:22 if someone thinks that it's like a cool looking skull because I've seen some of
483:23 looking skull because I've seen some of that are like kind of generic and then I
483:24 that are like kind of generic and then I I really like the unusual looking ones.
483:26 I really like the unusual looking ones. 10 Australian dollars from DH Sepharoth
483:30 10 Australian dollars from DH Sepharoth enforced. Please use a picture or 3D map
483:33 enforced. Please use a picture or 3D map view of one William Street, Brisbane,
483:35 view of one William Street, Brisbane, Australia to explain the anatomy of the
483:37 Australia to explain the anatomy of the penis. Also, if we call a group of apes
483:40 penis. Also, if we call a group of apes also, if we call a group of apes is a
483:43 also, if we call a group of apes is a cell, is it is group infighting
483:45 cell, is it is group infighting apoptosis? That I I feel like I was
483:48 apoptosis? That I I feel like I was electrocuted reading the second half of
483:49 electrocuted reading the second half of that
483:50 that >> and Boris cannot. I'm I'm saying no.
483:53 >> and Boris cannot. I'm I'm saying no. Next super chat. What the [ __ ] is this
483:55 Next super chat. What the [ __ ] is this building
483:56 building >> right now?
483:57 >> right now? >> We got $10 from Jack
484:00 >> We got $10 from Jack Naked Kid. Okay. I like grapes and
484:04 Naked Kid. Okay. I like grapes and strawberries. What a coincidence. So do
484:06 strawberries. What a coincidence. So do I. And blueberries and blackberries and
484:07 I. And blueberries and blackberries and raspberries. If it is a berry, I like
484:09 raspberries. If it is a berry, I like it. Love a berry.
484:15 >> Okay, that that I get where you're coming from. It doesn't it it's not
484:17 coming from. It doesn't it it's not really a cross-section penis, but I get
484:19 really a cross-section penis, but I get where you're coming from.
484:25 $4.99 from Chilawa. I spent all night looking for the sun. Then it dawned on
484:27 looking for the sun. Then it dawned on me.
484:29 me. Then it dawned on me. Then it dawned on
484:33 Then it dawned on me. Then it dawned on me. That's that's what you will hear
484:36 me. That's that's what you will hear repeated over and over again as I kill
484:37 repeated over and over again as I kill you using Chinese water torture. Five
484:40 you using Chinese water torture. Five Canadian dollars from Reverend Nate
484:43 Canadian dollars from Reverend Nate 2735. Chaos Grumbling. Tommy Valky, you
484:46 2735. Chaos Grumbling. Tommy Valky, you got your whispered wish. I don't know
484:49 got your whispered wish. I don't know what that means.
484:51 what that means. >> All right. By the way, this is
484:54 >> All right. By the way, this is >> this is the thing they're talking about
484:55 >> this is the thing they're talking about there. And you can see up here if I like
484:58 there. And you can see up here if I like this this kind of it looks like a penis
485:00 this this kind of it looks like a penis and this looks like a cross-section of a
485:02 and this looks like a cross-section of a penis, but you're missing the corpus
485:04 penis, but you're missing the corpus spongiosum down here. So you've got two
485:05 spongiosum down here. So you've got two columns of corpus cavernosum and that's
485:07 columns of corpus cavernosum and that's fine. And you've got a dorsal vein here.
485:09 fine. And you've got a dorsal vein here. You're missing corpus spongiosum with
485:10 You're missing corpus spongiosum with the urethra right here. So you're
485:12 the urethra right here. So you're missing one column. Otherwise, yes, very
485:15 missing one column. Otherwise, yes, very phallic. Very phallic. Not phallic
485:17 phallic. Very phallic. Not phallic enough, but very phallic.
485:20 enough, but very phallic. That's a clip. Not phallic enough.
485:27 >> It'll never be phallic enough. It'll never be phallic enough. Uh $4.99 from
485:30 never be phallic enough. Uh $4.99 from Catherine
485:31 Catherine uh Escargo. Um celebrating two months on
485:35 uh Escargo. Um celebrating two months on estrogen today. [ __ ] yeah. Uh I love you
485:38 estrogen today. [ __ ] yeah. Uh I love you guys. You've been a great source of
485:39 guys. You've been a great source of comfort for me during the last year.
485:40 comfort for me during the last year. Happy to be of service. Happy you're
485:42 Happy to be of service. Happy you're around. Listen to when we called it the
485:46 around. Listen to when we called it the second civil war when the eugenics then
485:49 second civil war when the eugenics then the eugenics war and finally World War
485:50 the eugenics war and finally World War II. Captain Christopher Pike. I cry
485:54 II. Captain Christopher Pike. I cry every time. The card maybe. I cry every
485:56 every time. The card maybe. I cry every time. Let's go. Super chat's caught up.
486:00 time. Let's go. Super chat's caught up. >> All right.
486:01 >> All right. >> [ __ ] yes.
486:02 >> [ __ ] yes. >> Should we take the Should we take the
486:04 >> Should we take the Should we take the plunge with this one? I know you know
486:06 plunge with this one? I know you know the one, dude.
486:07 the one, dude. >> [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. We're going to Yeah,
486:08 >> [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. We're going to Yeah, we're going to do it. All right. Uh
486:11 we're going to do it. All right. Uh lines are still open for theists and
486:13 lines are still open for theists and evol evolution arguments and stuff like
486:16 evol evolution arguments and stuff like that. But for right now, yeah, call in
486:18 that. But for right now, yeah, call in evolutionists. Uh let's we're still
486:20 evolutionists. Uh let's we're still lines still open for theists,
486:21 lines still open for theists, creationists, transphobes, flat
486:23 creationists, transphobes, flat earthers, antivaxers, every other kind
486:25 earthers, antivaxers, every other kind of science denier. Now is your chance to
486:26 of science denier. Now is your chance to pick up the phone and talk to two people
486:28 pick up the phone and talk to two people who disagree with you. 7206192288.
486:30 who disagree with you. 7206192288. The number will be on the bottom of the
486:31 The number will be on the bottom of the screen here in just a second because
486:32 screen here in just a second because we're going to talk to Pierre. No
486:35 we're going to talk to Pierre. No pronouns given. calling in all the way
486:36 pronouns given. calling in all the way from Montreal who believes in aliens and
486:39 from Montreal who believes in aliens and that those aliens created us and we're
486:41 that those aliens created us and we're going to find out why. Pierre, you are
486:43 going to find out why. Pierre, you are on the line with Forest and Erica. How
486:44 on the line with Forest and Erica. How you doing today?
486:46 you doing today? >> Hello both of you.
486:48 >> Hello both of you. >> Good to hear from you again.
486:51 >> Good to hear from you again. >> Is my microphone better this time?
486:55 >> Is my microphone better this time? >> Yes, I can hear you well.
486:58 >> Yes, I can hear you well. >> Okay. So before I go to my subject, I
487:03 >> Okay. So before I go to my subject, I want to answer two questions you asked
487:07 want to answer two questions you asked at the end of the call last time.
487:12 at the end of the call last time. >> You asked, can we
487:15 >> You asked, can we mate with them?
487:18 mate with them? >> It was another word, but I can mate or
487:23 >> It was another word, but I can mate or have intercourse with them.
487:26 have intercourse with them. >> Right. Right.
487:27 >> Right. Right. >> And the answer is yes. The answer is
487:30 >> And the answer is yes. The answer is yes. And the the Bible talk about it on
487:36 yes. And the the Bible talk about it on Genesis chapter 6 verse 4. We made it
487:40 Genesis chapter 6 verse 4. We made it with giants.
487:43 with giants. >> It's not giant.
487:45 >> It's not giant. >> Everybody says giant. That's what it is.
487:47 >> Everybody says giant. That's what it is. >> That's the wrong translation.
487:50 >> That's the wrong translation. >> It says uh Nissim. And Nissim doesn't
487:54 >> It says uh Nissim. And Nissim doesn't mean giants at all. it means the fallen
487:58 mean giants at all. it means the fallen ones.
488:03 So that's the answer to one question. And the other question was uh did we
488:07 And the other question was uh did we ever find uh traces of them when they
488:11 ever find uh traces of them when they die?
488:12 die? And I forgot about it. But uh after the
488:17 And I forgot about it. But uh after the call I remember Riy once said that the F
488:23 call I remember Riy once said that the F Flores Flores
488:27 Flores Flores little men are the Elohim who were
488:30 little men are the Elohim who were living on the earth because the majority
488:34 living on the earth because the majority of them left the earth and a few of them
488:38 of them left the earth and a few of them were exile on the earth. What is called
488:41 were exile on the earth. What is called the serpent in the Bible. The serpent
488:45 the serpent in the Bible. The serpent was a group of creators that we are
488:48 was a group of creators that we are later called Lucifer
488:51 later called Lucifer who have told the truth to the first
488:54 who have told the truth to the first human that uh there is no god and that
488:58 human that uh there is no god and that we have been created scientifically.
489:02 we have been created scientifically. >> So,
489:02 >> So, >> and just to be clear, just just to make
489:04 >> and just to be clear, just just to make sure I'm remembering this, this is all
489:06 sure I'm remembering this, this is all you believe all of this because this one
489:08 you believe all of this because this one dude said so. And if I remember
489:10 dude said so. And if I remember correctly, the last time we spoke, I
489:12 correctly, the last time we spoke, I asked you, "How can you be sure? Like,
489:14 asked you, "How can you be sure? Like, what could prove you wrong?" And you
489:16 what could prove you wrong?" And you said, "The only way that you will admit
489:18 said, "The only way that you will admit that you are wrong is if this prophecy
489:20 that you are wrong is if this prophecy this dude came up with does not come
489:22 this dude came up with does not come true in 10 years, right?"
489:25 true in 10 years, right?" >> Uh, that's part of it. I don't know what
489:28 >> Uh, that's part of it. I don't know what else I could find,
489:31 else I could find, but uh because presently science is
489:35 but uh because presently science is catching up with what Riyel has said.
489:46 How how what what exactly has science caught up with that's showing us that we
489:48 caught up with that's showing us that we are actually created by aliens?
489:58 >> We are starting to create new life forms in laboratories.
490:00 in laboratories. So that's one thing.
490:02 So that's one thing. And uh
490:16 if your phone fell asleep, we can no longer hear you. So like I I you you
490:18 longer hear you. So like I I you you stopped talking in the middle of that
490:19 stopped talking in the middle of that sentence. There you go.
490:22 sentence. There you go. >> Did you Okay. Did
490:24 >> Did you Okay. Did >> did you um just I out of sheer curiosity
490:27 >> did you um just I out of sheer curiosity did you get the answers to these
490:29 did you get the answers to these questions from the last call in now did
490:31 questions from the last call in now did you ask rail these because I know you
490:33 you ask rail these because I know you said you met rail did you ask rail or
490:36 said you met rail did you ask rail or did that was did you get this from
490:37 did that was did you get this from somewhere else
490:40 somewhere else >> uh the thing about Genesis 6:4 is
490:43 >> uh the thing about Genesis 6:4 is already in the book that he has written
490:47 already in the book that he has written and the thing about the flores man is
490:50 and the thing about the flores man is because I remember that he once said
490:55 because I remember that he once said that the flores uh humans are uh the
490:59 that the flores uh humans are uh the Elohim who were uh exiled to live alone
491:05 Elohim who were uh exiled to live alone uh on this planet.
491:08 uh on this planet. But perhaps I I should go to my subject
491:12 But perhaps I I should go to my subject for today because last time you said you
491:15 for today because last time you said you could accept the idea of an eternal
491:19 could accept the idea of an eternal universe but could not accept the idea
491:23 universe but could not accept the idea of eternal creations.
491:26 of eternal creations. Because when we say there is no God, we
491:30 Because when we say there is no God, we say that only humans can create other
491:34 say that only humans can create other humans. And that has been going on
491:38 humans. And that has been going on forever.
491:40 forever. And this has something to do I don't
491:42 And this has something to do I don't know if you have the book by Carl Sean
491:47 know if you have the book by Carl Sean uh the book Cosmos that was published in
491:51 uh the book Cosmos that was published in 1980
491:53 1980 on chapter 10 which is called the edge
491:57 on chapter 10 which is called the edge of forever.
491:59 of forever. you get exactly what the Rians believe
492:04 you get exactly what the Rians believe about the universe which says that uh I
492:09 about the universe which says that uh I will read it it's only 10 lines there is
492:13 will read it it's only 10 lines there is we are told an infinite hierarchy of
492:16 we are told an infinite hierarchy of universes so that an ele elementary
492:19 universes so that an ele elementary elementary particle such as an electron
492:22 elementary particle such as an electron in our universe would if penetrated
492:26 in our universe would if penetrated reveal itself to be an entire closed
492:29 reveal itself to be an entire closed universe
492:31 universe which is the local equivalent of
492:33 which is the local equivalent of galaxies, smaller structures
492:37 galaxies, smaller structures and which are themselves universes at
492:40 and which are themselves universes at the next univer level and so on forever
492:44 the next univer level and so on forever an infinite downward regression.
492:49 an infinite downward regression. >> I I I hear this is a classic passage,
492:52 >> I I I hear this is a classic passage, right? Like I' I've I've heard this
492:53 right? Like I' I've I've heard this passage before. I I don't have a problem
492:55 passage before. I I don't have a problem with that. That is something that is
492:57 with that. That is something that is possible. It's not something that we can
492:59 possible. It's not something that we can say with any kind of certainty. We had a
493:00 say with any kind of certainty. We had a caller earlier today who we talked about
493:02 caller earlier today who we talked about something quite similar with this
493:04 something quite similar with this concept of like okay is the universe
493:06 concept of like okay is the universe infinite? Are there multiveres? Is this
493:08 infinite? Are there multiveres? Is this the only one? What does only one even
493:10 the only one? What does only one even mean? We're neither force and I are
493:12 mean? We're neither force and I are physicists but we did the best that we
493:14 physicists but we did the best that we could. My most of my beefs with realism
493:19 could. My most of my beefs with realism in general orism whichever one you
493:22 in general orism whichever one you prefer come from the more specific
493:24 prefer come from the more specific claims that it makes. So for example
493:25 claims that it makes. So for example earlier in this conversation you said
493:28 earlier in this conversation you said that like the the hobbits of Flores
493:31 that like the the hobbits of Flores homopiciansis
493:32 homopiciansis are in in essence exiled
493:37 are in in essence exiled um extraterrestrials or non
493:41 um extraterrestrials or non >> yeah so my my problem with that is
493:44 >> yeah so my my problem with that is there's no reason to think that looking
493:47 there's no reason to think that looking at these hominins right like when we
493:49 at these hominins right like when we look at homopensis when we look at this
493:51 look at homopensis when we look at this hobbit um we don't find any kind of
493:55 hobbit um we don't find any kind of inexplicable characteristic. They are
493:57 inexplicable characteristic. They are effectively dwarfed members of Homo
494:00 effectively dwarfed members of Homo erectus or perhaps an earlier hominin
494:02 erectus or perhaps an earlier hominin like Homohabilis. So I hear you that
494:05 like Homohabilis. So I hear you that Rail is proposing that these guys could
494:08 Rail is proposing that these guys could be some kind of extraterrestrial, but
494:09 be some kind of extraterrestrial, but there's just no reason to think that.
494:11 there's just no reason to think that. That's a very different claim in my mind
494:13 That's a very different claim in my mind than saying, you know, Raians believe
494:16 than saying, you know, Raians believe that, you know, the universe is infinite
494:17 that, you know, the universe is infinite or there are multiverses or whatever.
494:19 or there are multiverses or whatever. That's a muchable claim, I think,
494:21 That's a muchable claim, I think, because it's less specific and less
494:22 because it's less specific and less testable. But um it's it's that kind of
494:26 testable. But um it's it's that kind of it's it's that kind of stuff for me with
494:29 it's it's that kind of stuff for me with with realism. It's the giants
494:32 with realism. It's the giants interbreeding with humans, but they're
494:33 interbreeding with humans, but they're but really they're they're
494:35 but really they're they're extraterrestrials themselves. And then
494:37 extraterrestrials themselves. And then it's like, okay, well, where are the
494:38 it's like, okay, well, where are the offspring of them? We don't have any
494:39 offspring of them? We don't have any inexplicable DNA in us, right? That we
494:42 inexplicable DNA in us, right? That we that if this supposedly happened within
494:44 that if this supposedly happened within the past 6,000 years, which is roughly
494:46 the past 6,000 years, which is roughly the time frame for Genesis 6, we should
494:48 the time frame for Genesis 6, we should still have some traces of them. But we
494:50 still have some traces of them. But we don't. And so I I don't know. I look at
494:52 don't. And so I I don't know. I look at sort of the sum of some of the claims
494:54 sort of the sum of some of the claims that you just made now and and I think I
494:55 that you just made now and and I think I have the same problem as I had last
494:57 have the same problem as I had last time, which is this is a mixture of
495:00 time, which is this is a mixture of claims that are
495:02 claims that are interesting and potentially even true
495:04 interesting and potentially even true like the multiverse stuff mixed with
495:07 like the multiverse stuff mixed with stuff that is to the best of our
495:10 stuff that is to the best of our understanding
495:12 understanding demonstrabably not true in the case of
495:14 demonstrabably not true in the case of the the Hobbits of Flores being
495:16 the the Hobbits of Flores being extraterrestrials at least in so far as
495:18 extraterrestrials at least in so far as we can investigate it. Um that's my
495:21 we can investigate it. Um that's my that's my thoughts so far.
495:24 that's my thoughts so far. >> Yeah. The thing is we can't see the
495:26 >> Yeah. The thing is we can't see the difference between them and us because
495:30 difference between them and us because Genesis 1:26
495:32 Genesis 1:26 says that we have been created in their
495:35 says that we have been created in their image. So we are similar to them
495:39 image. So we are similar to them genetically and that's the reason why
495:43 genetically and that's the reason why they can mate with us because we are
495:46 they can mate with us because we are compatible
495:48 compatible >> or chimpanzees. created
495:51 >> or chimpanzees. created in their image though cuz like we share
495:52 in their image though cuz like we share the overwhelming majority of our DNA
495:54 the overwhelming majority of our DNA with chimps
495:56 with chimps are they also created in that image or
495:59 are they also created in that image or is it just the portions that we don't
496:00 is it just the portions that we don't share with chimps that are the portions
496:02 share with chimps that are the portions that are created in that image
496:05 that are created in that image >> the exact image is the homo sapiens the
496:09 >> the exact image is the homo sapiens the chimpanzee was
496:17 first model I would say they were testing because we are a laboratory
496:20 testing because we are a laboratory experiment. So they were testing with
496:23 experiment. So they were testing with more primitive forms because
496:25 more primitive forms because >> didn't you say all life on this planet
496:27 >> didn't you say all life on this planet is a laboratory experiment? Like
496:29 is a laboratory experiment? Like literally everything living on this
496:30 literally everything living on this planet was created by these people.
496:33 planet was created by these people. >> Everything plants, animals,
496:38 >> Everything plants, animals, >> so it's very close to the common
496:40 >> so it's very close to the common designer argument where like yes, we see
496:42 designer argument where like yes, we see those similarities because they were all
496:44 those similarities because they were all made by the same things. I got a banana
496:47 made by the same things. I got a banana milkshake and I'm very happy about that.
496:49 milkshake and I'm very happy about that. I don't know
496:51 I don't know how, Pierre, I don't know how to back up
496:56 how, Pierre, I don't know how to back up anything you're saying because
496:58 anything you're saying because everything you're saying has to start
497:00 everything you're saying has to start with the assumption that you're correct.
497:02 with the assumption that you're correct. If we start with the assumption that we
497:04 If we start with the assumption that we know nothing and we just look at these
497:06 know nothing and we just look at these animals, we look at these organisms, we
497:08 animals, we look at these organisms, we look at their fossils, we look at their
497:09 look at their fossils, we look at their DNA, everything, but we come up with
497:12 DNA, everything, but we come up with this common ancestry and naturalistic
497:14 this common ancestry and naturalistic causes. And in order to get to this idea
497:17 causes. And in order to get to this idea that no, actually it was these aliens
497:20 that no, actually it was these aliens with no evidence for these aliens
497:22 with no evidence for these aliens existing, you have to start from the
497:25 existing, you have to start from the assumption that everything you're saying
497:26 assumption that everything you're saying is correct and then everything looks
497:29 is correct and then everything looks like what you would expect if these
497:31 like what you would expect if these aliens happen. And this is where we left
497:33 aliens happen. And this is where we left the last time you and I spoke. I I asked
497:37 the last time you and I spoke. I I asked you how can you tell the difference
497:38 you how can you tell the difference between what you're saying? Like what's
497:41 between what you're saying? Like what's the fundamental argumentative difference
497:42 the fundamental argumentative difference between what you're saying and any other
497:44 between what you're saying and any other whackadoodle conspiracy theory about us
497:47 whackadoodle conspiracy theory about us living in the Matrix, about the Earth
497:49 living in the Matrix, about the Earth being, you know, a a a you know video
497:52 being, you know, a a a you know video game, about us being a brain in a vat,
497:55 game, about us being a brain in a vat, about whatever other thing. And you
497:57 about whatever other thing. And you admitted that you have no there's no
497:59 admitted that you have no there's no difference. This is just the thing you
498:00 difference. This is just the thing you believe. And therefore, everything you
498:03 believe. And therefore, everything you see around the world that scientists are
498:05 see around the world that scientists are going to point to and say, "Here is the
498:07 going to point to and say, "Here is the naturalistic cause, you're going to just
498:09 naturalistic cause, you're going to just say, "Nuh-uh, it's aliens." And and like
498:13 say, "Nuh-uh, it's aliens." And and like I don't get where we go with this
498:15 I don't get where we go with this conversation because all you can
498:17 conversation because all you can possibly tell us is that's how the
498:20 possibly tell us is that's how the aliens made it. And if we say here's
498:22 aliens made it. And if we say here's this common ancestry, here's this, you
498:24 this common ancestry, here's this, you know, DNA similarities, here's these
498:26 know, DNA similarities, here's these fossil, you can just say, "Yeah, that's
498:28 fossil, you can just say, "Yeah, that's how the aliens made it." And if we say,
498:30 how the aliens made it." And if we say, "Yeah, but there's no like evidence of
498:32 "Yeah, but there's no like evidence of these aliens." You'll say, "Yeah,
498:34 these aliens." You'll say, "Yeah, because that's how the aliens did it."
498:36 because that's how the aliens did it." And like we just we have nothing. It's
498:38 And like we just we have nothing. It's it's exactly the same as a
498:39 it's exactly the same as a presuppositionalist Christian or anybody
498:42 presuppositionalist Christian or anybody else. It tells us absolutely nothing
498:44 else. It tells us absolutely nothing about anything. It's not testable. It's
498:46 about anything. It's not testable. It's not falsifiable. It's not explanatory.
498:49 not falsifiable. It's not explanatory. It makes no predictions. There's nothing
498:51 It makes no predictions. There's nothing here for us besides you think there was
498:54 here for us besides you think there was aliens, so there was aliens. And I don't
498:56 aliens, so there was aliens. And I don't know where we go from here.
499:00 know where we go from here. Like I said last time, it is testable
499:03 Like I said last time, it is testable because we will create life in
499:06 because we will create life in laboratories.
499:07 laboratories. And the day we do that,
499:09 And the day we do that, >> that doesn't tell us anything.
499:10 >> that doesn't tell us anything. >> Of God will disappear.
499:13 >> Of God will disappear. >> That doesn't tell us anything because if
499:15 >> That doesn't tell us anything because if if we can make life in a laboratory,
499:17 if we can make life in a laboratory, there's a million other people out there
499:19 there's a million other people out there of different faiths and no faiths that
499:21 of different faiths and no faiths that will all be vindicated by that idea.
499:25 will all be vindicated by that idea. The idea that like it it's like saying
499:28 The idea that like it it's like saying that the the the if you were here 300
499:31 that the the the if you were here 300 years ago and you talked about the
499:33 years ago and you talked about the railens could [ __ ] move around on
499:35 railens could [ __ ] move around on these horseless carriages. They had
499:37 these horseless carriages. They had vehicles that can move without horses
499:39 vehicles that can move without horses and someday we're going to make one of
499:41 and someday we're going to make one of those and it'll prove it. No, it
499:43 those and it'll prove it. No, it doesn't. It just means that we we could
499:46 doesn't. It just means that we we could potentially invent technology similar to
499:48 potentially invent technology similar to the technology you're talking about.
499:51 the technology you're talking about. That doesn't prove that these things had
499:53 That doesn't prove that these things had interstellar travel, that these things
499:55 interstellar travel, that these things could come to different planets and see
499:57 could come to different planets and see life these ways, that these things could
499:59 life these ways, that these things could live for millions and millions of years,
500:02 live for millions and millions of years, that these things could somehow The last
500:03 that these things could somehow The last time I talked I to you, I I asked about
500:06 time I talked I to you, I I asked about why the [ __ ] we don't find a single one
500:07 why the [ __ ] we don't find a single one of their fossils, and you said because
500:09 of their fossils, and you said because they were super fidious about making
500:11 they were super fidious about making sure never to leave their dead behind.
500:13 sure never to leave their dead behind. They had this technology to do that.
500:15 They had this technology to do that. Doesn't prove that. It It's like a
500:17 Doesn't prove that. It It's like a Christian saying that if I can prove
500:19 Christian saying that if I can prove Jesus existed as a person, that proves
500:20 Jesus existed as a person, that proves all of his miracles. No, it doesn't.
500:22 all of his miracles. No, it doesn't. There was a guy named Oily Josh in
500:24 There was a guy named Oily Josh in Palestine 2,000 years ago. Doesn't prove
500:26 Palestine 2,000 years ago. Doesn't prove walking on water. Doesn't prove raising
500:28 walking on water. Doesn't prove raising the dead. Doesn't prove water to wine.
500:29 the dead. Doesn't prove water to wine. Doesn't prove anything. So, if we can
500:31 Doesn't prove anything. So, if we can prove that it is possible to make life
500:33 prove that it is possible to make life denovo, doesn't prove jack [ __ ] about
500:36 denovo, doesn't prove jack [ __ ] about aliens, dude, that's a totally different
500:38 aliens, dude, that's a totally different claim.
500:40 claim. >> Okay. But at least we agree on the fact
500:43 >> Okay. But at least we agree on the fact that there is no God. There's nothing
500:46 that there is no God. There's nothing supernatural in the universe and uh of
500:51 supernatural in the universe and uh of course until these alien land like we
500:54 course until these alien land like we say before uh 2035
500:58 say before uh 2035 will have to wait and like I said I'm
501:01 will have to wait and like I said I'm not here to convince you. I am just here
501:03 not here to convince you. I am just here to inform you about the existence of
501:07 to inform you about the existence of this third way to explain the origin of
501:11 this third way to explain the origin of life on earth. And it is that we have
501:14 life on earth. And it is that we have been scientifically created by aliens
501:18 been scientifically created by aliens and that the Bible named them Elohim
501:21 and that the Bible named them Elohim which mean those who came from the sky.
501:24 which mean those who came from the sky. And if you read the book of Moro bigino
501:28 And if you read the book of Moro bigino he says exactly the same thing. If you
501:31 he says exactly the same thing. If you translate the Bible correctly, you find
501:34 translate the Bible correctly, you find that it speaks about extraterrestrial
501:38 that it speaks about extraterrestrial coming to the to the earth.
501:40 coming to the to the earth. >> And and every other person who believes
501:43 >> And and every other person who believes the Bible will and every other person
501:44 the Bible will and every other person who believes the Bible will tell you
501:46 who believes the Bible will tell you that if you translate it correctly, you
501:47 that if you translate it correctly, you will come to a different conclusion that
501:49 will come to a different conclusion that they have the exact same faith in for
501:51 they have the exact same faith in for the exact same reasons that you do. And
501:52 the exact same reasons that you do. And I hope in 2036 you send me a [ __ ]
501:55 I hope in 2036 you send me a [ __ ] fruit basket and apology, dude. I I will
501:58 fruit basket and apology, dude. I I will say that I I really do appreciate that
502:01 say that I I really do appreciate that realism can diff differentiate itself
502:04 realism can diff differentiate itself from a lot of these other beliefs in
502:06 from a lot of these other beliefs in that
502:08 that I when 2035 rolls around in a decade
502:10 I when 2035 rolls around in a decade we're going to know one way or another,
502:12 we're going to know one way or another, right? Um I certainly hope all three of
502:14 right? Um I certainly hope all three of us are still kicking back then or then
502:17 us are still kicking back then or then so that we can remember back to now. um
502:20 so that we can remember back to now. um reflect on these conversations and and
502:22 reflect on these conversations and and either force and I are gonna have some
502:23 either force and I are gonna have some serious egg on our face or you will be
502:26 serious egg on our face or you will be sending us a fruit bag skip here. You
502:27 sending us a fruit bag skip here. You know, I'm I'm with forced on this. Like
502:29 know, I'm I'm with forced on this. Like it's it's fun to discuss this and it's
502:31 it's it's fun to discuss this and it's interesting to hear, you know, your
502:33 interesting to hear, you know, your perspective and and your thoughts on
502:34 perspective and and your thoughts on these kinds of things, but I think where
502:35 these kinds of things, but I think where forced and I are stuck is that it's just
502:37 forced and I are stuck is that it's just like it's all on the table for you,
502:40 like it's all on the table for you, right? Like everything is explicable
502:42 right? Like everything is explicable through realism
502:45 through realism >> because you're a realist, right? like
502:47 >> because you're a realist, right? like and I I guess for us we're we are
502:51 and I I guess for us we're we are skeptical by our nature and so that's
502:53 skeptical by our nature and so that's that's just not enough. So it's
502:54 that's just not enough. So it's interesting to hear your perspective,
502:55 interesting to hear your perspective, but as far as we go, we're just going to
502:58 but as far as we go, we're just going to need a little bit more than that. I
503:00 need a little bit more than that. I think I I guess we're going to look
503:01 think I I guess we're going to look really dumb in in 2035. So we we'll
503:04 really dumb in in 2035. So we we'll we'll see.
503:04 we'll see. >> Yeah.
503:05 >> Yeah. >> Um
503:06 >> Um >> are you
503:06 >> are you >> Anyways, that's all I have.
503:09 >> Anyways, that's all I have. Are you aware that there's a movie
503:12 Are you aware that there's a movie coming uh on November 21st that is
503:17 coming uh on November 21st that is called uh the age of disclosure
503:20 called uh the age of disclosure and that more and more we will get
503:24 and that more and more we will get official proof that extraterrestrial are
503:27 official proof that extraterrestrial are visiting the earth in prison.
503:31 visiting the earth in prison. >> That wouldn't prove your claims. Even if
503:33 >> That wouldn't prove your claims. Even if that was true, that wouldn't prove your
503:34 that was true, that wouldn't prove your claims.
503:35 claims. >> You know what? Throwing it out there.
503:37 >> You know what? Throwing it out there. Okay. with the with the alien stuff,
503:40 Okay. with the with the alien stuff, right? Like I
503:42 right? Like I Force and I had this conversation either
503:44 Force and I had this conversation either last time we hosted Skept Talk or
503:47 last time we hosted Skept Talk or earlier today. It's hard to remember
503:49 earlier today. It's hard to remember because we've been on for eight and a
503:50 because we've been on for eight and a half hours. But that being said, when it
503:53 half hours. But that being said, when it comes to extraterrestrials and
503:56 comes to extraterrestrials and unexplained flying objects, I am willing
503:59 unexplained flying objects, I am willing to sit here and say that there have been
504:01 to sit here and say that there have been there are some weird videos out there
504:03 there are some weird videos out there that exist that I cannot readily say
504:05 that exist that I cannot readily say this is what it is. that does not
504:07 this is what it is. that does not necessarily mean it's aliens. And I I've
504:10 necessarily mean it's aliens. And I I've watched a lot of these um UFO
504:12 watched a lot of these um UFO documentaries because I'm I'm really
504:14 documentaries because I'm I'm really fascinated by that. Like I think it's a
504:16 fascinated by that. Like I think it's a fun topic. I find it fascinating. But
504:18 fun topic. I find it fascinating. But I've never come across one where I was
504:20 I've never come across one where I was like, "Okay, unambiguously that is a
504:22 like, "Okay, unambiguously that is a UFO." There is nothing else that that
504:24 UFO." There is nothing else that that even could be. And for me, that's what
504:27 even could be. And for me, that's what it's going to take to push me over the
504:28 it's going to take to push me over the edge. So, if this if the Age of
504:30 edge. So, if this if the Age of Disclosure has some new footage that I
504:32 Disclosure has some new footage that I haven't seen, if it's got something
504:33 haven't seen, if it's got something better than the Nimitz encounter and
504:35 better than the Nimitz encounter and better than the weather balloon one that
504:36 better than the weather balloon one that we saw recently, um, and better than,
504:39 we saw recently, um, and better than, you know, every other the Phoenix
504:41 you know, every other the Phoenix lights, whatever, I'm I'm seated because
504:44 lights, whatever, I'm I'm seated because I think it would be the coolest thing
504:45 I think it would be the coolest thing ever if aliens had visited Earth. If
504:47 ever if aliens had visited Earth. If they have, that's super fascinating and
504:49 they have, that's super fascinating and interesting and that's going to change
504:50 interesting and that's going to change the way that we think about everything.
504:52 the way that we think about everything. I just I'm not convinced yet. And if
504:55 I just I'm not convinced yet. And if disclosure is something that happens,
504:57 disclosure is something that happens, I'm going to, like I said with this
504:58 I'm going to, like I said with this stuff earlier, I'm going to look really
504:59 stuff earlier, I'm going to look really dumb, but I don't know. I I went through
505:02 dumb, but I don't know. I I went through a phase here where I watched just about
505:04 a phase here where I watched just about every single UFO documentary out there.
505:06 every single UFO documentary out there. I watched, like I said, um, The
505:08 I watched, like I said, um, The Phenomenon. I watched I know what I saw.
505:10 Phenomenon. I watched I know what I saw. I watched the one about Ariel
505:12 I watched the one about Ariel Elementary. I I watched a ton of them.
505:14 Elementary. I I watched a ton of them. And I'm still sitting here thinking,
505:16 And I'm still sitting here thinking, this isn't none of these are rock solid
505:19 this isn't none of these are rock solid and watertight. And we're talking about
505:21 and watertight. And we're talking about something that would completely change
505:23 something that would completely change the way that we think about the world in
505:24 the way that we think about the world in the universe. Aliens visiting Earth and
505:27 the universe. Aliens visiting Earth and inter interacting with humans through
505:28 inter interacting with humans through space and time
505:36 um than a blurry photograph or or um a clippy video. I think I say that as I
505:38 clippy video. I think I say that as I clip in and out of the stream. But I'll
505:40 clip in and out of the stream. But I'll watch the documentary when it comes out.
505:42 watch the documentary when it comes out. I'll watch Age of Disclosure. I think
505:44 I'll watch Age of Disclosure. I think that sounds fascinating.
505:46 that sounds fascinating. >> Yeah. I I gotta be honest, like it's
505:48 >> Yeah. I I gotta be honest, like it's just
505:50 just Like Pierre, if I were to show you just
505:53 Like Pierre, if I were to show you just hypothetically, um I want to convince
505:55 hypothetically, um I want to convince you that humans evolved and were not
505:58 you that humans evolved and were not created by aliens. If I show you that
506:00 created by aliens. If I show you that bacteria can evolve in a jar, does that
506:02 bacteria can evolve in a jar, does that prove human evolution to you?
506:11 >> For me, the like I said before, natural selection
506:14 like I said before, natural selection exists,
506:17 exists, >> right? I'm asking you if I can prove to
506:18 >> right? I'm asking you if I can prove to you face.
506:19 you face. >> If I can show you
506:22 >> If I can show you >> if I can show you bacteria evolving in a
506:24 >> if I can show you bacteria evolving in a jar, does that prove human evolution?
506:32 >> I'm not sure what you mean. But the word evolve, I have problem with that word.
506:36 evolve, I have problem with that word. >> If I show you bacteria developing new
506:38 >> If I show you bacteria developing new adaptations and new functionality over
506:41 adaptations and new functionality over time, over successive generations, does
506:44 time, over successive generations, does that prove human evolution?
506:54 If it's still a bacteria and uh uh you cannot create a new species
506:58 uh you cannot create a new species without intelligent design.
507:02 without intelligent design. >> Okay, the answer for me would be no. I
507:05 >> Okay, the answer for me would be no. I don't think that would prove human
507:06 don't think that would prove human evolution. What if I were to show you
507:08 evolution. What if I were to show you one type of bacteria evolve into another
507:10 one type of bacteria evolve into another type? I show a new species being
507:12 type? I show a new species being developed. I have these bacteria in a
507:14 developed. I have these bacteria in a jar and after this many generations they
507:16 jar and after this many generations they are now a new species of bacteria. Does
507:17 are now a new species of bacteria. Does that prove human evolution to you?
507:28 If the change is so extreme that you cannot recognize it, uh I will have to
507:31 cannot recognize it, uh I will have to say well that looks like some kind of uh
507:36 say well that looks like some kind of uh I I prefer the word progress to
507:38 I I prefer the word progress to evolution. But um
507:45 I'm not sure about >> does it prove human evolution?
507:47 >> does it prove human evolution? >> Does it prove human evolution?
507:55 I don't know enough about bacteria to know if there's a link between how
507:57 know if there's a link between how bacteria
507:59 bacteria live and or virus. Virus is something
508:02 live and or virus. Virus is something very uh
508:04 very uh >> complex. I think we're not sure exactly
508:06 >> complex. I think we're not sure exactly what it is.
508:09 what it is. >> So here I'm going to give you a
508:10 >> So here I'm going to give you a different example. I'm going to put a
508:11 different example. I'm going to put a link in the chat right now. This is a
508:12 link in the chat right now. This is a paper that was just published in nature
508:14 paper that was just published in nature this year. Uh hu at all. Um, it is a
508:18 this year. Uh hu at all. Um, it is a species of ants that literally gives
508:21 species of ants that literally gives birth to a different [ __ ] species. So
508:24 birth to a different [ __ ] species. So like literally that depending on the
508:25 like literally that depending on the fertilization of these things, they they
508:28 fertilization of these things, they they are the only living organism we know
508:30 are the only living organism we know that does this where one species does
508:33 that does this where one species does actually just give birth to a completely
508:35 actually just give birth to a completely different species. Does that prove human
508:36 different species. Does that prove human evolution to you?
508:37 evolution to you? >> No. No, Kentovin. Someone someone stop
508:40 >> No. No, Kentovin. Someone someone stop it. Stop those ants. They're going to
508:42 it. Stop those ants. They're going to give them a They're going to give them a
508:44 give them a They're going to give them a te or a Yeah. an infark.
508:48 te or a Yeah. an infark. >> Uh,
508:49 >> Uh, I don't know if it looks like an ant but
508:53 I don't know if it looks like an ant but with four legs instead of six. That's
508:59 with four legs instead of six. That's not really a new species. So, I I'll
509:02 not really a new species. So, I I'll check your link and see what it is
509:05 check your link and see what it is exactly. Okay, I see it.
509:06 exactly. Okay, I see it. >> The whole point The whole point here is
509:09 >> The whole point The whole point here is the answer is no, dude. If if if these
509:12 the answer is no, dude. If if if these were as as fantastical as I'm painting
509:14 were as as fantastical as I'm painting them and I can say here is demonstrable
509:18 them and I can say here is demonstrable absolute proof of evolution in bacteria
509:21 absolute proof of evolution in bacteria of evolution in ants of whatever a
509:24 of evolution in ants of whatever a change in species if I can prove these
509:26 change in species if I can prove these things to you in these other animals it
509:29 things to you in these other animals it does not prove human evolution. It can
509:31 does not prove human evolution. It can it can be evidence for human evolution.
509:33 it can be evidence for human evolution. It can lead you in the direction of
509:34 It can lead you in the direction of saying okay so evolution is possible.
509:36 saying okay so evolution is possible. Maybe it happened to humans too and we
509:37 Maybe it happened to humans too and we can explore that. But no, human
509:40 can explore that. But no, human evolution is an entirely different
509:42 evolution is an entirely different question that needs its own set of
509:44 question that needs its own set of evidence leading specifically just to
509:46 evidence leading specifically just to that. We can use evidence from other
509:48 that. We can use evidence from other areas to help out, but it needs its own
509:51 areas to help out, but it needs its own evidence. And indeed, it has its own
509:52 evidence. And indeed, it has its own evidence, evidence that you dismiss. So,
509:55 evidence, evidence that you dismiss. So, what I'm trying to get across to you
509:56 what I'm trying to get across to you here, if we can create life in a lab, if
509:59 here, if we can create life in a lab, if we can say that there are UFOs, if we
510:01 we can say that there are UFOs, if we can prove that there's life somewhere
510:03 can prove that there's life somewhere else in the universe, whatever other
510:05 else in the universe, whatever other thing, not one [ __ ] bit of that
510:08 thing, not one [ __ ] bit of that proves that aliens came here and existed
510:11 proves that aliens came here and existed for millions of years and created all
510:13 for millions of years and created all life on Earth and it's this laboratory
510:15 life on Earth and it's this laboratory experiments that eventually they made
510:17 experiments that eventually they made humans as their perfect whatevers and
510:18 humans as their perfect whatevers and that homopesis were actually exiled. No,
510:22 that homopesis were actually exiled. No, none of that. Absolutely not. One bit of
510:25 none of that. Absolutely not. One bit of that is proven. You can suggest it's
510:27 that is proven. You can suggest it's evidentiary and say, "Look, there are
510:29 evidentiary and say, "Look, there are aliens." So, it's not so outlandish to
510:31 aliens." So, it's not so outlandish to say that maybe there are aliens here,
510:33 say that maybe there are aliens here, but that's not evidence for anything
510:35 but that's not evidence for anything you're saying. Nothing you are saying
510:38 you're saying. Nothing you are saying has any actual evidence for it. And the
510:41 has any actual evidence for it. And the best you've been able to give us over
510:43 best you've been able to give us over several times of talking to you, the
510:45 several times of talking to you, the best you've been able to give us is that
510:47 best you've been able to give us is that maybe someday we will have something
510:50 maybe someday we will have something that provides some hint of evidence. And
510:53 that provides some hint of evidence. And that's simp. There's no reason to
510:55 that's simp. There's no reason to believe a thing like that. There's there
510:57 believe a thing like that. There's there just isn't. Even if what you were saying
511:00 just isn't. Even if what you were saying is true, you have a terrible reason to
511:02 is true, you have a terrible reason to >> believe what you say.
511:11 >> I think too part of what you say because uh we say almost the same thing because
511:15 uh we say almost the same thing because Rael constantly says when the Elohim
511:18 Rael constantly says when the Elohim will arrive and they will come with
511:21 will arrive and they will come with Jesus who is alive. Moses, Elijah. Uh, a
511:26 Jesus who is alive. Moses, Elijah. Uh, a lot of people will say that doesn't
511:28 lot of people will say that doesn't prove anything. It doesn't prove that
511:30 prove anything. It doesn't prove that they really created us. Maybe it's the
511:34 they really created us. Maybe it's the devil or uh something like that. So,
511:37 devil or uh something like that. So, you're right. It doesn't prove anything.
511:40 you're right. It doesn't prove anything. But, uh, Christian believe that if we do
511:44 But, uh, Christian believe that if we do that, they call it the great deception.
511:48 that, they call it the great deception. And so, uh, we'll have to wait a little
511:50 And so, uh, we'll have to wait a little bit more perhaps to see if the real
511:53 bit more perhaps to see if the real Jesus come back and send everyone in a
511:57 Jesus come back and send everyone in a lake of fire.
512:00 lake of fire. >> Yeah, [ __ ] that, dude.
512:02 >> Yeah, [ __ ] that, dude. >> Because we're sucks so bad. That sucks
512:05 >> Because we're sucks so bad. That sucks so bad. God damn.
512:07 so bad. God damn. >> I think I think Pierre, like, you know,
512:10 >> I think I think Pierre, like, you know, you've talked to Forest a couple Forest
512:12 you've talked to Forest a couple Forest and I a couple of times now, right? Like
512:14 and I a couple of times now, right? Like I think you've talked with me only one
512:16 I think you've talked with me only one other time. I don't know how many times
512:18 other time. I don't know how many times you guys have talked about
512:19 you guys have talked about >> one time only. One time only. But I did
512:22 >> one time only. One time only. But I did send you a few emails. I don't know if
512:25 send you a few emails. I don't know if you receive them.
512:27 you receive them. >> I I'm slow to get back on emails, Pier,
512:29 >> I I'm slow to get back on emails, Pier, because I I unfortunately these days I
512:30 because I I unfortunately these days I get a lot of them, but I try to respond
512:32 get a lot of them, but I try to respond to everything eventually. What I was
512:34 to everything eventually. What I was going to say is that, you know, you know
512:36 going to say is that, you know, you know how Forest and I both think by now
512:39 how Forest and I both think by now though, like you know we're skeptical.
512:41 though, like you know we're skeptical. You know what it takes to convince us.
512:43 You know what it takes to convince us. You also say you're not trying to
512:45 You also say you're not trying to convince us. So, I'm not I'm not a 100%
512:47 convince us. So, I'm not I'm not a 100% sure what the goal is here other than
512:49 sure what the goal is here other than for you to just say, "Hey, you know,
512:50 for you to just say, "Hey, you know, here's here's what I think." And that's
512:52 here's here's what I think." And that's interesting from our perspective, but
512:54 interesting from our perspective, but you know, we we also want to know for I
512:57 you know, we we also want to know for I I guess I'll speak for myself. I'm
512:58 I guess I'll speak for myself. I'm curious as to why people believe the
513:00 curious as to why people believe the things that they believe. And you seem
513:02 things that they believe. And you seem very very convinced by realism for
513:04 very very convinced by realism for reasons that I don't quite understand
513:06 reasons that I don't quite understand myself. Right. My brain is very I'm very
513:09 myself. Right. My brain is very I'm very methodological naturalism pill in that
513:12 methodological naturalism pill in that for me to buy something. I like to see
513:15 for me to buy something. I like to see methodological naturalism taken to to
513:18 methodological naturalism taken to to its conclusion. I I like to see an
513:20 its conclusion. I I like to see an observation being made um a prediction
513:22 observation being made um a prediction being made after a hypothesis after
513:24 being made after a hypothesis after experiment to determine whether or not
513:27 experiment to determine whether or not this idea that someone has had should
513:28 this idea that someone has had should have any merit. Because in science,
513:30 have any merit. Because in science, which you know is what our society is
513:32 which you know is what our society is primarily built on the back of the
513:35 primarily built on the back of the reason why we know it works is because
513:37 reason why we know it works is because it's it's got this consistency to it
513:40 it's it's got this consistency to it that over and over and over again we can
513:42 that over and over and over again we can pit it up against these other ideas and
513:44 pit it up against these other ideas and we can know what we should keep and what
513:45 we can know what we should keep and what we should get rid of. To me, this is the
513:48 we should get rid of. To me, this is the same problem I have with a lot of
513:49 same problem I have with a lot of religions, but it's like realism doesn't
513:51 religions, but it's like realism doesn't seem to have that um perk to it. like
513:55 seem to have that um perk to it. like you have this set of things that you
513:56 you have this set of things that you believe and you can say I I believe it
513:57 believe and you can say I I believe it because it's consistent with XYZ and
514:00 because it's consistent with XYZ and then Forest and I might ask something
514:01 then Forest and I might ask something like okay but it's also consistent with
514:02 like okay but it's also consistent with ABC right like Forest was just saying if
514:04 ABC right like Forest was just saying if if he could show bacteria evolving in a
514:08 if he could show bacteria evolving in a lab would that prove human evolution no
514:10 lab would that prove human evolution no it would be consistent with it but it
514:12 it would be consistent with it but it wouldn't prove it if if we could go show
514:14 wouldn't prove it if if we could go show speciation would that prove human
514:15 speciation would that prove human evolution no but it would be consistent
514:17 evolution no but it would be consistent with it like I think what's going on
514:20 with it like I think what's going on when you're presenting a lot of these
514:22 when you're presenting a lot of these supports for realism is misconstring
514:25 supports for realism is misconstring what counts as support and what counts
514:27 what counts as support and what counts as consistency. Like you're saying all
514:28 as consistency. Like you're saying all of this stuff like okay, you know,
514:30 of this stuff like okay, you know, realism predicted that we're going to
514:32 realism predicted that we're going to create life in a lab. Well, okay, but a
514:34 create life in a lab. Well, okay, but a lot of things predict that science is
514:36 lot of things predict that science is going to advance. And a lot of people
514:38 going to advance. And a lot of people have written stories about creating life
514:40 have written stories about creating life in a lab before we ever created life in
514:41 in a lab before we ever created life in a lab. Force gave the example with the
514:43 a lab. Force gave the example with the cars, right? Like you talk about flying
514:45 cars, right? Like you talk about flying cars and then it's like the fact that we
514:46 cars and then it's like the fact that we have planes today or whatever. Like that
514:48 have planes today or whatever. Like that doesn't prove that that crackpot that
514:50 doesn't prove that that crackpot that lived back then was necessarily correct.
514:52 lived back then was necessarily correct. I'm not calling rail a crackpot here
514:54 I'm not calling rail a crackpot here because I don't know either way.
514:55 because I don't know either way. Although I don't I don't personally
514:56 Although I don't I don't personally believe what he's saying. I'm going to
514:59 believe what he's saying. I'm going to say I'm going to say that for me in
515:02 say I'm going to say that for me in order for realism to be convincing. Not
515:05 order for realism to be convincing. Not not even necessarily to prove it to me,
515:07 not even necessarily to prove it to me, but to even make it stand apart. You've
515:10 but to even make it stand apart. You've got to show us something that it's like
515:11 got to show us something that it's like realism predicted this and nothing else
515:14 realism predicted this and nothing else did and it came to fruition. Now you
515:17 did and it came to fruition. Now you have this prediction set forward. The
515:18 have this prediction set forward. The problem is this experiment is going to
515:20 problem is this experiment is going to last another 10 years. We're not going
515:22 last another 10 years. We're not going to know one way or another until
515:25 to know one way or another until >> 2035. What what for and I are asking for
515:28 >> 2035. What what for and I are asking for to consider realism is an example of
515:30 to consider realism is an example of something that has already happened or
515:32 something that has already happened or that's going to happen soon
515:35 that's going to happen soon to be able to parse realism from other
515:37 to be able to parse realism from other such ideas.
515:39 such ideas. One of the prediction Ra made
515:42 One of the prediction Ra made is going to happen soon and that may be
515:47 is going to happen soon and that may be something to check is that uh he receive
515:50 something to check is that uh he receive a message from Yahweh saying that the
515:54 a message from Yahweh saying that the state of Israel will disappear
515:58 state of Israel will disappear and
515:58 and >> he will receive this message. Just to be
516:01 >> he will receive this message. Just to be clear,
516:02 clear, >> he will receive this message or we will
516:04 >> he will receive this message or we will receive this message.
516:07 receive this message. No, Oral has received a message from
516:10 No, Oral has received a message from Yahweh the extra he met in 73 and 75.
516:16 Yahweh the extra he met in 73 and 75. Yes, in 2015 he received a message that
516:20 Yes, in 2015 he received a message that Israel will disappear and there will be
516:23 Israel will disappear and there will be a new diaspora.
516:26 a new diaspora. So I look at the events presently
516:29 So I look at the events presently everything seems to be going well for
516:32 everything seems to be going well for Israel. So that's something very
516:35 Israel. So that's something very important. If that doesn't happen, it's
516:39 important. If that doesn't happen, it's clear in the Bible that this man is a
516:42 clear in the Bible that this man is a false prophet. If it happens, some
516:45 false prophet. If it happens, some people may say, "Oh, you have one chance
516:48 people may say, "Oh, you have one chance on two." It may happen, it may not
516:50 on two." It may happen, it may not happen. So that's one on two. It's not a
516:53 happen. So that's one on two. It's not a big risk.
516:55 big risk. >> But like I said, there's no Okay.
516:59 >> But like I said, there's no Okay. >> There's no set time for that. It's just
517:02 >> There's no set time for that. It's just at some point at some point this country
517:04 at some point at some point this country is going to be dissolved.
517:08 is going to be dissolved. >> It says soon and I think that's my
517:12 >> It says soon and I think that's my personal because like you said there's
517:14 personal because like you said there's no exact date but I think that's within
517:17 no exact date but I think that's within the next two years perhaps
517:20 the next two years perhaps >> maximum maximum.
517:22 >> maximum maximum. >> I'll say this Pierre that's that's
517:23 >> I'll say this Pierre that's that's better than waiting 10 years to find
517:25 better than waiting 10 years to find this out. Like that is something
517:27 this out. Like that is something concrete that we can keep an eye on.
517:29 concrete that we can keep an eye on. Although I suspect and hopefully you're
517:31 Although I suspect and hopefully you're not in this group, but I suspect that
517:34 not in this group, but I suspect that you know if things consider continue
517:35 you know if things consider continue going the way that they are going with
517:37 going the way that they are going with Israel and Israel does stick around, I
517:41 Israel and Israel does stick around, I would wager that a lot of people who are
517:43 would wager that a lot of people who are realists are going to be like, well,
517:45 realists are going to be like, well, maybe not this time, but soon is
517:47 maybe not this time, but soon is relative. It could be later than that. I
517:49 relative. It could be later than that. I hope that's not going to be you. I hope
517:50 hope that's not going to be you. I hope that if
517:52 that if you know things continue going the way
517:54 you know things continue going the way they're going right now and Israel
517:56 they're going right now and Israel proceeds to swallow up the strip um I
518:00 proceeds to swallow up the strip um I hope that you will be one of those
518:01 hope that you will be one of those people who is going to say okay you know
518:03 people who is going to say okay you know maybe maybe I need to reconsider some of
518:04 maybe maybe I need to reconsider some of this stuff but I will I you know kudos
518:07 this stuff but I will I you know kudos that is sooner. I'm glad to hear that. I
518:09 that is sooner. I'm glad to hear that. I that is something that we can actually
518:11 that is something that we can actually >> wait to see what's going to happen,
518:15 >> wait to see what's going to happen, right? Like that is a sooner prediction
518:17 right? Like that is a sooner prediction than 2035. But
518:19 than 2035. But >> I I have to say as well,
518:23 >> I I have to say as well, I really wish that this was I really
518:25 I really wish that this was I really wish that realism was something that we
518:27 wish that realism was something that we could actually test um
518:30 could actually test um claims about it
518:31 claims about it >> as soon as possible.
518:33 >> as soon as possible. >> Not even I'm not even talking about
518:35 >> Not even I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking I'm talking about like
518:37 that. I'm talking I'm talking about like past claims and you know the punch line
518:39 past claims and you know the punch line of this is that we that we can right
518:41 of this is that we that we can right like we can look at hominins like
518:42 like we can look at hominins like homopicianensis we can look at events of
518:45 homopicianensis we can look at events of the past and see whether or not they
518:47 the past and see whether or not they they are consistent with what realism
518:50 they are consistent with what realism would would argue right um but
518:52 would would argue right um but unfortunately those those are not
518:54 unfortunately those those are not discriminatory because as you said
518:55 discriminatory because as you said earlier you've got like a common design
518:57 earlier you've got like a common design sort of fallback for a lot of that stuff
518:58 sort of fallback for a lot of that stuff so
519:00 so >> I don't know
519:02 >> I don't know I guess we'll see I'm reading the chat
519:05 I guess we'll see I'm reading the chat I'm reading the chat and I'd like to
519:08 I'm reading the chat and I'd like to answer someone.
519:09 answer someone. >> Don't recommend that.
519:11 >> Don't recommend that. >> Don't read the chat.
519:14 >> Don't read the chat. >> Yeah, you can you can argue with the
519:16 >> Yeah, you can you can argue with the chat in the chat if you want to argue
519:18 chat in the chat if you want to argue >> you can argue with the chat in the chat
519:19 >> you can argue with the chat in the chat if you'd like. Um, at the end of the
519:21 if you'd like. Um, at the end of the day, dude, you you are telling us
519:24 day, dude, you you are telling us >> you are argue you're telling us that you
519:25 >> you are argue you're telling us that you believe a thing in hopes that you will
519:27 believe a thing in hopes that you will get evidence about it later. that's
519:30 get evidence about it later. that's simply not good enough for either of us
519:32 simply not good enough for either of us or it shouldn't be good enough for you.
519:34 or it shouldn't be good enough for you. Um, and we're right back where we have
519:36 Um, and we're right back where we have been every time you call in, which is
519:39 been every time you call in, which is you shouldn't believe something before
519:40 you shouldn't believe something before you have good evidence for it. And you
519:42 you have good evidence for it. And you say, "Well, I will have good evidence
519:44 say, "Well, I will have good evidence soon." And we have to wait years and
519:46 soon." And we have to wait years and years and years before it comes. And I
519:47 years and years before it comes. And I just I don't I don't get what we're
519:49 just I don't I don't get what we're doing, man. I don't get why we're still
519:50 doing, man. I don't get why we're still here.
519:51 here. >> Okay.
519:51 >> Okay. >> Uh, I'll say it's not for me, you Like
519:54 >> Uh, I'll say it's not for me, you Like that's
519:54 that's >> just want to mention
519:56 >> just want to mention >> just want to mention the title of
519:59 >> just want to mention the title of Riyle's book for those who are
520:02 Riyle's book for those who are interested. It's intelligent design
520:05 interested. It's intelligent design message from the designers
520:07 message from the designers >> and you can find it on Royal.
520:11 >> and you can find it on Royal. >> Just check
520:14 >> Just check >> on the web and you'll find it.
520:17 >> on the web and you'll find it. >> No one's going to do it.
520:18 >> No one's going to do it. >> No one cares. I mean, call call in again
520:21 >> No one cares. I mean, call call in again once you uh I mean, once the I guess the
520:24 once you uh I mean, once the I guess the next prediction comes to light. I I
520:26 next prediction comes to light. I I I'm'll tell you, I'm not going to forget
520:28 I'm'll tell you, I'm not going to forget these conversations. I'll I'll keep an
520:30 these conversations. I'll I'll keep an eye out. 2035, I'm going to be waiting.
520:32 eye out. 2035, I'm going to be waiting. We'll we'll see what happens. But
520:34 We'll we'll see what happens. But >> I expect a [ __ ] fruit basket, dude.
520:36 >> I expect a [ __ ] fruit basket, dude. Make it nice. There better be [ __ ]
520:37 Make it nice. There better be [ __ ] mangoes in soon. The next thing that
520:41 mangoes in soon. The next thing that will happen soon is the construction of
520:44 will happen soon is the construction of the embassy because our ultimate goal is
520:47 the embassy because our ultimate goal is to construct an embassy to welcome those
520:50 to construct an embassy to welcome those extraterrestrial.
520:51 extraterrestrial. So check the new demonstrate the truth
520:53 So check the new demonstrate the truth of your claims announcement for that.
520:56 of your claims announcement for that. >> Would that demonstrate the truth of your
520:58 >> Would that demonstrate the truth of your claims if you guys build an embassy?
521:01 claims if you guys build an embassy? >> It wouldn't. I said that even when the
521:03 >> It wouldn't. I said that even when the Elohim will arrive, it will not prove
521:06 Elohim will arrive, it will not prove what I say unless the Elohim have ways
521:11 what I say unless the Elohim have ways to prove to us that they are really our
521:15 to prove to us that they are really our creators.
521:16 creators. >> There you go. They they it won't even if
521:18 >> There you go. They they it won't even if we see them, they won't prove to us that
521:20 we see them, they won't prove to us that they're real unless they prove to us
521:21 they're real unless they prove to us that they're real. It's just over and
521:23 that they're real. It's just over and over and over. It's just I I need you to
521:26 over and over. It's just I I need you to just look up post hawk immunizing
521:27 just look up post hawk immunizing fallacy like or immunizing hypothesis.
521:30 fallacy like or immunizing hypothesis. It's what that's what you're do. You're
521:32 It's what that's what you're do. You're immunizing
521:33 immunizing everything you say against any kind of
521:36 everything you say against any kind of critical thinking. It's it's it's not
521:38 critical thinking. It's it's it's not proven because it's not provable, but
521:40 proven because it's not provable, but that's why you have to believe it
521:42 that's why you have to believe it because it's so clearly not provable.
521:43 because it's so clearly not provable. And it's a just immunization of any kind
521:47 And it's a just immunization of any kind of like actual [ __ ] crit criticism or
521:49 of like actual [ __ ] crit criticism or critical thought. And it sucks. I I
521:52 critical thought. And it sucks. I I don't know why we're still on this. It
521:54 don't know why we're still on this. It really it just it frustrates me so bad
521:56 really it just it frustrates me so bad because you're literally just telling me
521:58 because you're literally just telling me I believe this cuz I believe this cuz I
521:59 I believe this cuz I believe this cuz I believe this cuz I believe this. And
522:01 believe this cuz I believe this. And it's it just it doesn't go anywhere. Um
522:05 it's it just it doesn't go anywhere. Um I'm I'm good. Although I Hey [ __ ] I I
522:10 I'm I'm good. Although I Hey [ __ ] I I don't like the idea of a state not
522:12 don't like the idea of a state not existing and being destroyed. But like
522:14 existing and being destroyed. But like hey free Palestine, right Pierre? Can we
522:17 hey free Palestine, right Pierre? Can we Can we agree on that?
522:18 Can we agree on that? >> Free Palestine.
522:19 >> Free Palestine. >> Yeah. Say that from
522:20 >> Yeah. Say that from >> Absolutely. Absolutely.
522:23 >> Absolutely. Absolutely. In fact, has recently created the
522:26 In fact, has recently created the Palestinian movement
522:28 Palestinian movement >> because it's so important
522:37 >> that meditate for peace. >> We know we need peace more than
522:39 >> We know we need peace more than everything else forest. We're on the
522:41 everything else forest. We're on the We're all on the
522:42 We're all on the >> That's what I'm talking about. That's
522:43 >> That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. You know what?
522:45 what I'm talking about. You know what? The the aliens are more human than a lot
522:48 The the aliens are more human than a lot of Republicans. That's great. Ah,
522:51 of Republicans. That's great. Ah, >> we're with you on that, Pierre.
522:52 >> we're with you on that, Pierre. Actually, unironic.
522:54 Actually, unironic. >> Get rid of atomic bombs.
522:57 >> Get rid of atomic bombs. >> We found Hey, we found something to
522:58 >> We found Hey, we found something to agree on.
523:00 agree on. >> Food, not bombs, free Palestine. And And
523:03 >> Food, not bombs, free Palestine. And And I'm sorry to hear that the aliens
523:05 I'm sorry to hear that the aliens abducted your pronouns. I hope you get
523:07 abducted your pronouns. I hope you get those back someday. With that, Pierre,
523:08 those back someday. With that, Pierre, we're going to move on to the next call.
523:09 we're going to move on to the next call. I'll talk to you later, dude. Bye-bye.
523:12 I'll talk to you later, dude. Bye-bye. >> Okay, to be fair, what an uplifting note
523:15 >> Okay, to be fair, what an uplifting note to end that call on that. I I was
523:18 to end that call on that. I I was trolling, but it worked beautifully.
523:20 trolling, but it worked beautifully. >> It worked out.
523:21 >> It worked out. >> You You were like, "Yeah, Pierre, and
523:23 >> You You were like, "Yeah, Pierre, and also Free Palestine." And he was like,
523:24 also Free Palestine." And he was like, "No." Unironically, yes. And we were all
523:26 "No." Unironically, yes. And we were all like, "Absolutely." Wait. Wait.
523:28 like, "Absolutely." Wait. Wait. Actually,
523:29 Actually, >> um,
523:30 >> um, >> I may be crazy, but I'm not a [ __ ]
523:32 >> I may be crazy, but I'm not a [ __ ] [ __ ] All right. Yes. Free Palestine.
523:35 [ __ ] All right. Yes. Free Palestine. >> Rail is is railbased actually. Wow. Who
523:39 >> Rail is is railbased actually. Wow. Who >> What's going on?
523:41 >> What's going on? >> We misjudged you. My bad.
523:45 >> We misjudged you. My bad. >> What? Um,
523:46 >> What? Um, >> that's great.
523:47 >> that's great. >> What is looking Okay, can I We are going
523:50 >> What is looking Okay, can I We are going to look really We are going to look
523:52 to look really We are going to look really really stupid if 2035 we're both
523:54 really really stupid if 2035 we're both going to be standing outside
523:56 going to be standing outside >> if a goddamn spaceship comes down.
523:59 >> if a goddamn spaceship comes down. >> We're going to be like, "Well, damn it.
524:02 >> We're going to be like, "Well, damn it. I'm gonna be like,
524:03 I'm gonna be like, >> you know what? I'll send that
524:04 >> you know what? I'll send that [ __ ] a fruit basket because I've
524:06 [ __ ] a fruit basket because I've been I've been sassy with him for two
524:08 been I've been sassy with him for two calls now. I'll send him a good fruit
524:10 calls now. I'll send him a good fruit basket." And he's he's getting he's
524:13 basket." And he's he's getting he's gonna get a little, you know, a little
524:14 gonna get a little, you know, a little sad cat apology note from me where it's
524:17 sad cat apology note from me where it's like, oh, you know, a little Hallmark
524:18 like, oh, you know, a little Hallmark card. My bad. That wouldn't that one's
524:20 card. My bad. That wouldn't that one's on me, Pierre.
524:21 on me, Pierre. >> It's going to be like one of the [ __ ]
524:22 >> It's going to be like one of the [ __ ] the shakuderie board things I sent to
524:24 the shakuderie board things I sent to you that one time. It's going to be It's
524:25 you that one time. It's going to be It's going to be fancy.
524:27 going to be fancy. >> Oh, those apples. Oh, those apples were
524:29 >> Oh, those apples. Oh, those apples were really good. I I will say too though,
524:31 really good. I I will say too though, um, that's got to go both ways, Pierre.
524:32 um, that's got to go both ways, Pierre. I know you're still listening. What that
524:34 I know you're still listening. What that means is that we expect the fruit basket
524:37 means is that we expect the fruit basket too and the shakuderie. We if 2035 rolls
524:40 too and the shakuderie. We if 2035 rolls around standing out and nothing comes
524:42 around standing out and nothing comes down, you got to be like,
524:44 down, you got to be like, >> "All right, I owe someone an apology."
524:45 >> "All right, I owe someone an apology." And that'll be our our internet live
524:48 And that'll be our our internet live stream packed.
524:50 stream packed. >> It's PO Box 1810, Broken Arrow, Oklahoma
524:53 >> It's PO Box 1810, Broken Arrow, Oklahoma 74013. Jot it down in your [ __ ] alien
524:55 74013. Jot it down in your [ __ ] alien book. And remember,
524:57 book. And remember, >> I expect mangoes. I even like I'm not
525:00 >> I expect mangoes. I even like I'm not even huge fan of mangoes, but I want
525:01 even huge fan of mangoes, but I want them from you.
525:03 them from you. >> Dude, you're like a um
525:05 >> Dude, you're like a um >> Why did you Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
525:07 >> Why did you Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Why did you
525:09 Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Why did you get a banana milkshake when you're so
525:10 get a banana milkshake when you're so clearly craving mangoes right now?
525:12 clearly craving mangoes right now? You've brought up mangoes like four
525:13 You've brought up mangoes like four times in the past 10 minutes. Why did
525:15 times in the past 10 minutes. Why did you get Why didn't you just get a mango
525:16 you get Why didn't you just get a mango milk?
525:18 milk? >> Because banana milkshakes are delicious.
525:20 >> Because banana milkshakes are delicious. And I wanted a banana. I get like more
525:22 And I wanted a banana. I get like more than one fruit. I'm just mangoes are
525:24 than one fruit. I'm just mangoes are great. Mangoes are a fun thing.
525:26 great. Mangoes are a fun thing. >> Yeah, but you're not like talking about
525:27 >> Yeah, but you're not like talking about bananas like they're the they're the
525:29 bananas like they're the they're the cat's pajamas right now. You're talking
525:30 cat's pajamas right now. You're talking about mangoes while you're eating.
525:32 about mangoes while you're eating. >> Why would I have to? I already have a
525:33 >> Why would I have to? I already have a mango shake.
525:35 mango shake. >> A banana shake?
525:37 >> A banana shake? Yeah.
525:39 Yeah. >> Over here. I'm clipping out out of rage.
525:41 >> Over here. I'm clipping out out of rage. Um, which of the Oh [ __ ] Do we have to
525:43 Um, which of the Oh [ __ ] Do we have to do super chats? Is it super chat time?
525:47 do super chats? Is it super chat time? >> No, you guys can call.
525:49 >> No, you guys can call. >> Let's go. Okay. Which of these Which of
525:51 >> Let's go. Okay. Which of these Which of these is looking
525:53 these is looking tasty?
525:56 tasty? >> Uh, 61's been waiting for a long time.
525:58 >> Uh, 61's been waiting for a long time. Um,
525:59 Um, >> yeah, let's do 61. I think we could
526:01 >> yeah, let's do 61. I think we could knock that out quickly. as in self hour.
526:05 knock that out quickly. as in self hour. >> Miren any and all pronouns calling in
526:08 >> Miren any and all pronouns calling in from the Netherlands has some questions
526:09 from the Netherlands has some questions about gender and gender roles. Mirren,
526:12 about gender and gender roles. Mirren, you are on the line with Erica and
526:13 you are on the line with Erica and Forest. How you doing today?
526:15 Forest. How you doing today? >> Good evening. Well, that's for me. Uh,
526:18 >> Good evening. Well, that's for me. Uh, I'm doing fine. How about you?
526:21 I'm doing fine. How about you? >> We're doing okay. I'm shaping a candle
526:23 >> We're doing okay. I'm shaping a candle right now that's burning in the
526:24 right now that's burning in the background. People keep asking what I'm
526:25 background. People keep asking what I'm stabbing, but I'm heating the tip of the
526:27 stabbing, but I'm heating the tip of the knife and then using it to direct the
526:29 knife and then using it to direct the flow of the wax. So, I'm Needless to
526:31 flow of the wax. So, I'm Needless to say, I'm doing quite well. It's kind of
526:33 say, I'm doing quite well. It's kind of mesmerizing, actually. Um,
526:35 mesmerizing, actually. Um, >> slowly torturing a small animal offcreen
526:38 >> slowly torturing a small animal offcreen is what she's doing.
526:39 is what she's doing. >> Absolutely not. Enoch is thrilled. He
526:42 >> Absolutely not. Enoch is thrilled. He loves wearing his wax hat. Tell us a
526:44 loves wearing his wax hat. Tell us a little bit, Mirren, about your question.
526:46 little bit, Mirren, about your question. I find your your concept here
526:48 I find your your concept here intriguing. Let's let's dig into it a
526:50 intriguing. Let's let's dig into it a little bit.
526:52 little bit. >> Okay. Well, um, how do I keep this
526:55 >> Okay. Well, um, how do I keep this short? So, I'm not that much a fan of
526:58 short? So, I'm not that much a fan of gender. Uh
526:59 gender. Uh >> yeah,
527:00 >> yeah, >> I think it's quite a stupid concept to
527:02 >> I think it's quite a stupid concept to be honest and I always liked the well
527:06 be honest and I always liked the well always recently I've really enjoyed the
527:08 always recently I've really enjoyed the idea of uh a society where gender is not
527:11 idea of uh a society where gender is not really a thing you know where um
527:14 really a thing you know where um >> well biological sex is something that we
527:16 >> well biological sex is something that we have sure but that it doesn't imply or
527:19 have sure but that it doesn't imply or is linked to any um identity or
527:24 is linked to any um identity or like anything and I was wondering what
527:28 like anything and I was wondering what your take would be on
527:31 your take would be on if such society would work both in the
527:34 if such society would work both in the biological sense and the societal sense.
527:39 biological sense and the societal sense. So you're thinking sort of like a you're
527:40 So you're thinking sort of like a you're doing like a gender abolition kind of
527:42 doing like a gender abolition kind of thing like in a future where I mean
527:45 thing like in a future where I mean obviously well at least for the
527:47 obviously well at least for the foreseeable future sex appears like it's
527:48 foreseeable future sex appears like it's something that's here to stay but could
527:51 something that's here to stay but could we do gender abolition where identity is
527:53 we do gender abolition where identity is something that is as a given something
527:56 something that is as a given something that you decide for yourself
527:58 that you decide for yourself >> um and is displayed as something that's
528:00 >> um and is displayed as something that's far more diverse perhaps than what we're
528:02 far more diverse perhaps than what we're currently seeing. Is that do I have you
528:04 currently seeing. Is that do I have you right there?
528:06 right there? >> Mhm. H
528:07 >> Mhm. H >> pretty much
528:11 >> pretty much >> that's such an interesting question. I
528:12 >> that's such an interesting question. I don't know. I mean the concept of gender
528:15 don't know. I mean the concept of gender and gender roles and like how they
528:16 and gender roles and like how they interact with one another and how they
528:18 interact with one another and how they define one another and how many there
528:20 define one another and how many there are is a question that is extremely
528:23 are is a question that is extremely interesting and one that I suspect
528:25 interesting and one that I suspect humans as a species will continue to
528:26 humans as a species will continue to investigate. Um, I certainly wouldn't
528:29 investigate. Um, I certainly wouldn't mind like it wouldn't bug me to have a
528:32 mind like it wouldn't bug me to have a future where it's like gender is
528:33 future where it's like gender is effectively neutral and and people don't
528:36 effectively neutral and and people don't um performatively take on any roles. But
528:38 um performatively take on any roles. But I guess I say that because you know I I
528:41 I guess I say that because you know I I identify as a woman, but like I I don't
528:45 identify as a woman, but like I I don't really I have a hard time thinking of
528:47 really I have a hard time thinking of anything that I really do that is
528:48 anything that I really do that is necessarily tied to the gender role even
528:51 necessarily tied to the gender role even in the present of like this is something
528:53 in the present of like this is something that a woman does.
528:54 that a woman does. >> Um,
528:55 >> Um, >> yeah.
528:56 >> yeah. So, I I don't know. I mean, I guess I
528:58 So, I I don't know. I mean, I guess I guess to me, it's it's something that
529:02 guess to me, it's it's something that it's something that I think a lot of
529:04 it's something that I think a lot of people already in the time period that
529:08 people already in the time period that we live in act out. I think that a lot
529:11 we live in act out. I think that a lot of our gender roles have become a lot
529:12 of our gender roles have become a lot broader, and I think that that's a good
529:14 broader, and I think that that's a good thing. Um, for women, I think gender
529:16 thing. Um, for women, I think gender roles have expanded a lot more than they
529:18 roles have expanded a lot more than they have for men, especially in things like
529:20 have for men, especially in things like what's culturally appropriate to wear
529:22 what's culturally appropriate to wear and how it's culturally appropriate to
529:24 and how it's culturally appropriate to behave, what jobs are culturally
529:26 behave, what jobs are culturally appropriate to have, things of that
529:28 appropriate to have, things of that nature. And and I think that's in part
529:29 nature. And and I think that's in part because it was so overly restrictive in
529:31 because it was so overly restrictive in the recent past that when it opened up,
529:34 the recent past that when it opened up, it it was just kind of like a
529:35 it it was just kind of like a free-for-all. It was like women can wear
529:36 free-for-all. It was like women can wear whatever they want and um take virtually
529:39 whatever they want and um take virtually any job and and things like that. I
529:41 any job and and things like that. I would like it if gender roles continued
529:43 would like it if gender roles continued to open up. I I think that there are a
529:45 to open up. I I think that there are a lot of things and a lot of stigmas in
529:47 lot of things and a lot of stigmas in particular for men right now and
529:49 particular for men right now and certainly for non-binary people and non
529:52 certainly for non-binary people and non non-gender conforming people that um
529:55 non-gender conforming people that um still get people a lot of flack. That's
529:57 still get people a lot of flack. That's kind of silly. Like people will still
529:58 kind of silly. Like people will still look and stare in a lot of places if you
530:00 look and stare in a lot of places if you see a man in a dress, but if a woman
530:02 see a man in a dress, but if a woman walks around in pants or trousers, it's
530:04 walks around in pants or trousers, it's just not that big of a deal. It's not a
530:05 just not that big of a deal. It's not a big deal at all. Like it's literally you
530:07 big deal at all. Like it's literally you can do that anywhere in the country and
530:08 can do that anywhere in the country and nobody's going to look twice. So I I
530:10 nobody's going to look twice. So I I think that getting rid of a lot of
530:12 think that getting rid of a lot of aspects of gender roles would by and
530:14 aspects of gender roles would by and large be a really good thing for the
530:16 large be a really good thing for the majority of people. I think there are a
530:17 majority of people. I think there are a lot of people who get a lot out of
530:19 lot of people who get a lot out of gender and I think that that's great
530:20 gender and I think that that's great too. And I think that gender is
530:22 too. And I think that gender is something that um I guess I well I guess
530:25 something that um I guess I well I guess I don't know the answer to this
530:26 I don't know the answer to this question. I don't know if gender is
530:28 question. I don't know if gender is something that we like as a species
530:30 something that we like as a species because we actually like it or because
530:32 because we actually like it or because we're just so used to it. So, I guess I
530:35 we're just so used to it. So, I guess I don't know the answer to the question.
530:36 don't know the answer to the question. Like, could could we do a genderneutral
530:38 Like, could could we do a genderneutral society? Probably. Um, could we do it in
530:41 society? Probably. Um, could we do it in the near future? Like truly
530:43 the near future? Like truly genderneutral, not just something where
530:44 genderneutral, not just something where it's like gender roles have expanded so
530:46 it's like gender roles have expanded so astronomically and there's a lot of
530:47 astronomically and there's a lot of diversity in representation um and in
530:50 diversity in representation um and in the gender that you can take.
530:52 the gender that you can take. Could we actually go to a point where
530:54 Could we actually go to a point where it's like gender just isn't really a
530:55 it's like gender just isn't really a thing? I don't I don't know. I don't
530:56 thing? I don't I don't know. I don't know if humans would want to keep that
530:58 know if humans would want to keep that around or not. Humans have experience
531:00 around or not. Humans have experience experimented, excuse me, so much in the
531:02 experimented, excuse me, so much in the past with gender and how we present
531:04 past with gender and how we present ourselves. It wouldn't surprise me if at
531:07 ourselves. It wouldn't surprise me if at some point we reached that point and
531:08 some point we reached that point and maybe maybe that would stick around and
531:10 maybe maybe that would stick around and maybe we would go back to doing gendered
531:12 maybe we would go back to doing gendered things again. I'm not sure. Who is to
531:14 things again. I'm not sure. Who is to say? Um
531:16 say? Um I think that that's probably something
531:18 I think that that's probably something though that will come if it does come
531:21 though that will come if it does come once we have a lot of our other much
531:23 once we have a lot of our other much more pressing [ __ ] under control. Um I
531:26 more pressing [ __ ] under control. Um I don't know. I guess for sure there are
531:28 don't know. I guess for sure there are are way more pressing issues.
531:31 are way more pressing issues. >> Yeah, that's that's my thoughts. Forest,
531:32 >> Yeah, that's that's my thoughts. Forest, what do you think? You what's your do
531:34 what do you think? You what's your do you think the gender neutral societyy's
531:35 you think the gender neutral societyy's imminent?
531:38 imminent? >> Uh, in 1923
531:42 >> Uh, in 1923 it was allowed for women to wear pants
531:44 it was allowed for women to wear pants in public.
531:47 in public. >> And then it was
531:48 >> And then it was >> and it wasn't until 1993.
531:52 >> and it wasn't until 1993. In 1993,
531:54 In 1993, women were allowed to wear pants in
531:56 women were allowed to wear pants in Congress.
531:58 Congress. So, a year after I was born was the
532:02 So, a year after I was born was the first time a female senator was able to
532:04 first time a female senator was able to wear [ __ ] pants and go to work.
532:08 wear [ __ ] pants and go to work. >> And I think and that's here in the
532:10 >> And I think and that's here in the United States, which [ __ ] sucks. But
532:12 United States, which [ __ ] sucks. But like I I think that the the example you
532:14 like I I think that the the example you gave, Erica, of pants and then comparing
532:16 gave, Erica, of pants and then comparing that to like a man in a dress or
532:18 that to like a man in a dress or something like this. I think that is a
532:20 something like this. I think that is a great example because you've got a
532:23 great example because you've got a hundred years ago like tangible history
532:27 hundred years ago like tangible history 100 years ago is when this was fi first
532:29 100 years ago is when this was fi first allowed. We used to have laws in this
532:31 allowed. We used to have laws in this country where if you didn't wear enough
532:32 country where if you didn't wear enough articles of feminine clothing I think
532:34 articles of feminine clothing I think you had like like five things that were
532:36 you had like like five things that were feminine and you'd be [ __ ] thrown in
532:38 feminine and you'd be [ __ ] thrown in the back of a car if you were the police
532:39 the back of a car if you were the police would arrest you for crossdressing if
532:41 would arrest you for crossdressing if you weren't wearing enough feminine
532:43 you weren't wearing enough feminine [ __ ] And then we had this lower
532:45 [ __ ] And then we had this lower threshold where it's like, "Well, you
532:46 threshold where it's like, "Well, you just can't wear slacks." And they're
532:47 just can't wear slacks." And they're like, "Fine, you can wear slacks, but
532:48 like, "Fine, you can wear slacks, but you can never go to work in them." And
532:50 you can never go to work in them." And then finally we got to this point where
532:53 then finally we got to this point where the the people were looking at these
532:54 the the people were looking at these [ __ ] senators in Congress that oh the
532:57 [ __ ] senators in Congress that oh the god, the the world is falling apart and
532:59 god, the the world is falling apart and oh, societyy's collapsing. Look at these
533:00 oh, societyy's collapsing. Look at these women dressing like men in Congress and
533:03 women dressing like men in Congress and I was one at the time. And so that to me
533:08 I was one at the time. And so that to me is crazy. And I think about the way we
533:10 is crazy. And I think about the way we talk about trans people today and gender
533:13 talk about trans people today and gender non-conforming gender uh non-binary
533:15 non-conforming gender uh non-binary people. Um uh uh you know people who
533:18 people. Um uh uh you know people who want to you know it's what we would
533:20 want to you know it's what we would probably call crossdressing at this
533:22 probably call crossdressing at this moment. Like I think about all these
533:23 moment. Like I think about all these things and how big of a stigma there are
533:25 things and how big of a stigma there are and I think if if if we move quickly
533:29 and I think if if if we move quickly maybe by the time I'm 70 somebody will
533:32 maybe by the time I'm 70 somebody will be able to just be them [ __ ] selves
533:35 be able to just be them [ __ ] selves and and go to work. Maybe. Um, and
533:39 and and go to work. Maybe. Um, and that's hopeful and that's cool, but it's
533:42 that's hopeful and that's cool, but it's not fast enough. I don't know what a
533:45 not fast enough. I don't know what a truly gender abolitionist society would
533:47 truly gender abolitionist society would look like. I've never taken the time to
533:49 look like. I've never taken the time to really sit down and think that out, and
533:50 really sit down and think that out, and I'd like to. It sounds like fun, but I
533:53 I'd like to. It sounds like fun, but I can tell you that I don't like the rules
533:56 can tell you that I don't like the rules and boundaries where they are. And I
533:58 and boundaries where they are. And I certainly don't think that they're any
534:00 certainly don't think that they're any more useful. like the the usefulness
534:03 more useful. like the the usefulness that they give us I don't think is a big
534:05 that they give us I don't think is a big enough return on investment for the the
534:07 enough return on investment for the the cost that they provide that they demand.
534:09 cost that they provide that they demand. Um so I I'm down for them being changed
534:12 Um so I I'm down for them being changed and I'm down for them being reimagined
534:14 and I'm down for them being reimagined and rethought out and I'm I'm down for
534:15 and rethought out and I'm I'm down for our language catching up with our
534:17 our language catching up with our scientific understanding of gender and
534:18 scientific understanding of gender and sex and I'm I'm definitely down for
534:20 sex and I'm I'm definitely down for people understanding it more as a social
534:22 people understanding it more as a social thing and and and like vibing with it in
534:24 thing and and and like vibing with it in that way. Um, as far as actually
534:26 that way. Um, as far as actually completely getting rid of it, I haven't
534:28 completely getting rid of it, I haven't given that the thought that it deserves
534:30 given that the thought that it deserves before I give you an opinion. But I can
534:32 before I give you an opinion. But I can say that just just looking at what it
534:34 say that just just looking at what it has been in my lifetime and my family's
534:37 has been in my lifetime and my family's lifetime. My grandma was born in 1925.
534:39 lifetime. My grandma was born in 1925. So just in the family members that I've
534:42 So just in the family members that I've met that that stretch of life, it's been
534:45 met that that stretch of life, it's been a pretty massive change over something
534:47 a pretty massive change over something remarkably [ __ ] stupid. And I really
534:49 remarkably [ __ ] stupid. And I really hope that in a hundred years people look
534:51 hope that in a hundred years people look back at right now and can say the exact
534:54 back at right now and can say the exact same thing. Holy [ __ ] that was stupid.
534:56 same thing. Holy [ __ ] that was stupid. I'm so glad everybody can just do
534:58 I'm so glad everybody can just do whatever today and be themselves today
535:00 whatever today and be themselves today and we're able to be a lot more
535:01 and we're able to be a lot more accepting and understanding. And you
535:03 accepting and understanding. And you know what's going to happen in that
535:04 know what's going to happen in that society, dude?
535:05 society, dude? >> We're going to have the exact same
535:06 >> We're going to have the exact same [ __ ] problems and the exact same
535:07 [ __ ] problems and the exact same [ __ ] both of all genders and all
535:11 [ __ ] both of all genders and all categories and everything like that.
535:12 categories and everything like that. Wouldn't be surprised if white guys are
535:14 Wouldn't be surprised if white guys are still the worst, but who knows? Um, but
535:17 still the worst, but who knows? Um, but uh I think we're still going to have a
535:18 uh I think we're still going to have a lot of the same problems. And those
535:20 lot of the same problems. And those bigots and [ __ ] on the far right of
535:23 bigots and [ __ ] on the far right of whatever the [ __ ] is going on in that
535:25 whatever the [ __ ] is going on in that timeline, they're going to have the same
535:27 timeline, they're going to have the same terrible arguments that they're going to
535:28 terrible arguments that they're going to levy against some other marginalized
535:30 levy against some other marginalized group, whoever's at the bottom at that
535:31 group, whoever's at the bottom at that point. So, I don't know. It's a very
535:34 point. So, I don't know. It's a very interesting concept and uh it makes me
535:36 interesting concept and uh it makes me hopeful to think about is my answer to
535:37 hopeful to think about is my answer to you.
535:38 you. >> Yeah. Well, I I I could maybe tell you a
535:41 >> Yeah. Well, I I I could maybe tell you a bit about how I envisioned it because I
535:43 bit about how I envisioned it because I have spent a lot of time thinking about
535:45 have spent a lot of time thinking about it.
535:48 it. >> So, um what I've recognized from the
535:52 >> So, um what I've recognized from the people around me and uh the various
535:55 people around me and uh the various communities I have, uh been in is that
535:58 communities I have, uh been in is that people like to uh be a part of a group
536:02 people like to uh be a part of a group or something, something to like belong
536:05 or something, something to like belong to. And I've always envisioned instead
536:07 to. And I've always envisioned instead of male, female, man, women, uh,
536:12 of male, female, man, women, uh, non-binary and all the other gender
536:15 non-binary and all the other gender identifications that people use now. Um,
536:18 identifications that people use now. Um, it is more, um, categorized in the sense
536:21 it is more, um, categorized in the sense of, for example, what kind of music you
536:23 of, for example, what kind of music you like. Like music, I would say that
536:28 like. Like music, I would say that characteristics within specific uh,
536:30 characteristics within specific uh, music communities like metal has are
536:32 music communities like metal has are very identifiable.
536:34 very identifiable. uh kind of people that you can very
536:37 uh kind of people that you can very easily spot in a crowd. And the same
536:38 easily spot in a crowd. And the same goes for punks or um
536:42 goes for punks or um well, it's not for every music genre, I
536:44 well, it's not for every music genre, I guess, but for a lot of them. And I I I
536:46 guess, but for a lot of them. And I I I I think you're right that categorizing
536:49 I think you're right that categorizing and bigotry within those categories will
536:51 and bigotry within those categories will always exist. But I feel like once it's
536:55 always exist. But I feel like once it's less linked to um the vision that it's
536:59 less linked to um the vision that it's something that you are um it's just a
537:02 something that you are um it's just a group that you belong to and it's
537:04 group that you belong to and it's something that can change and it's not
537:07 something that can change and it's not relevant. But I spoke about this to my
537:11 relevant. But I spoke about this to my aunt and my niece. Uh they are both in
537:13 aunt and my niece. Uh they are both in healthcare. Uh one psychological and one
537:15 healthcare. Uh one psychological and one is studying for to be uh a doctor.
537:19 is studying for to be uh a doctor. And um they both had their like issues
537:23 And um they both had their like issues with that because they felt like um
537:26 with that because they felt like um gender/ sex identification was very
537:28 gender/ sex identification was very important in healthcare and I wondered
537:31 important in healthcare and I wondered what how much like I don't know much
537:32 what how much like I don't know much about it. I'm a computer scientist. I
537:35 about it. I'm a computer scientist. I know numbers you know. So what is your
537:38 know numbers you know. So what is your take on that?
537:47 I can give my thoughts, but it's probably not going to be as educated as
537:49 probably not going to be as educated as Force on this because he's done a lot
537:51 Force on this because he's done a lot more of the human biology side of
537:52 more of the human biology side of things. Um, I mean, sex sex is always
537:55 things. Um, I mean, sex sex is always something that's going to be useful with
537:58 something that's going to be useful with regard to medicine because our sex does
538:00 regard to medicine because our sex does impact our predispositions to some
538:02 impact our predispositions to some degree. Um, but a lot of stuff
538:04 degree. Um, but a lot of stuff influences our predispositions, right?
538:06 influences our predispositions, right? our our age, where we come from, um our
538:10 our our age, where we come from, um our our um socioeconomic position, right?
538:13 our um socioeconomic position, right? Like a lot of stuff is going to impact
538:15 Like a lot of stuff is going to impact how likely we are to contract certain
538:18 how likely we are to contract certain things or pathologies or or genetic
538:20 things or pathologies or or genetic predispositions and things of that
538:21 predispositions and things of that nature. So, it's like those are always
538:23 nature. So, it's like those are always going to be a part of medicine, but I I
538:24 going to be a part of medicine, but I I really don't think
538:26 really don't think >> anybody has a problem with that. Like I
538:28 >> anybody has a problem with that. Like I don't think anybody out there is going
538:30 don't think anybody out there is going like if let's say we did away with
538:31 like if let's say we did away with gender, sex would be something that
538:33 gender, sex would be something that would show up that you would talk about
538:34 would show up that you would talk about at the doctor, right? or that you would
538:36 at the doctor, right? or that you would talk about if you were doing family
538:37 talk about if you were doing family planning and it would be something that
538:39 planning and it would be something that was discussed as something that is still
538:42 was discussed as something that is still important but isn't something that
538:43 important but isn't something that defines who you are and how you behave.
538:45 defines who you are and how you behave. I I don't necessarily see I I guess
538:48 I I don't necessarily see I I guess that's the beauty of gender and sex
538:49 that's the beauty of gender and sex being something that are decoupled,
538:50 being something that are decoupled, right? Being things that are decoupled
538:52 right? Being things that are decoupled from one another is that you could
538:53 from one another is that you could radically change our perception of one
538:55 radically change our perception of one without necessarily um ratcheting the
538:58 without necessarily um ratcheting the other along with it. And for as far as
539:01 other along with it. And for as far as medicine goes, I don't see why if you
539:03 medicine goes, I don't see why if you were somebody who was interested like a
539:04 were somebody who was interested like a doctor for example, if you talk to them
539:06 doctor for example, if you talk to them about, you know, we're thinking about
539:08 about, you know, we're thinking about reconceptualizing um how we consider
539:10 reconceptualizing um how we consider gender or like let's envision a future
539:12 gender or like let's envision a future where we reconceptualize how we treat
539:14 where we reconceptualize how we treat gender. It's like that doesn't
539:16 gender. It's like that doesn't necessarily mean that you have to go
539:17 necessarily mean that you have to go away with how sex impacts medicine,
539:20 away with how sex impacts medicine, right? Um, I don't know enough about it
539:23 right? Um, I don't know enough about it to say for sure like what that would
539:24 to say for sure like what that would look like or anything, but I don't I
539:26 look like or anything, but I don't I certainly don't think that that should
539:27 certainly don't think that that should be a reason to resist
539:32 be a reason to resist gender abolition. I guess like to me
539:34 gender abolition. I guess like to me that doesn't seem like a good enough
539:35 that doesn't seem like a good enough reason. And I I don't even know if I
539:37 reason. And I I don't even know if I would call myself a gender abolitionist
539:39 would call myself a gender abolitionist or or that I would want a totally
539:41 or or that I would want a totally genderneutral society. I have no idea.
539:43 genderneutral society. I have no idea. I've never really given it a lot of
539:44 I've never really given it a lot of thought. Um, you know, I I like
539:47 thought. Um, you know, I I like identifying as the gender that I
539:49 identifying as the gender that I identify as, but if I couldn't, it
539:51 identify as, but if I couldn't, it wouldn't be the end of the world, right?
539:52 wouldn't be the end of the world, right? Like who I am does not revolve around my
539:55 Like who I am does not revolve around my gender, I guess. Um, certainly they
539:57 gender, I guess. Um, certainly they inform one another, but it's it's not
539:59 inform one another, but it's it's not the end all beall, I guess, for me. I
540:02 the end all beall, I guess, for me. I maybe I'm fortunate in that way. I don't
540:04 maybe I'm fortunate in that way. I don't know. But
540:06 know. But I mean, I don't I guess I don't know.
540:08 I mean, I don't I guess I don't know. Like I'm trying to I I'm struggling to
540:09 Like I'm trying to I I'm struggling to think like why unless you thought that
540:12 think like why unless you thought that sex and gender were necessarily linked
540:15 sex and gender were necessarily linked entwined with one another sort of like
540:16 entwined with one another sort of like irrevocably. I don't know why you would
540:19 irrevocably. I don't know why you would you would take issue with that. Um do do
540:22 you would take issue with that. Um do do your relatives equate the two as one and
540:25 your relatives equate the two as one and the same?
540:27 the same? Um, sometimes I I' I've tried to point
540:30 Um, sometimes I I' I've tried to point out that like yeah, you you can use sex
540:34 out that like yeah, you you can use sex to identify some issues, but like not
540:37 to identify some issues, but like not every person that is necessarily female
540:41 every person that is necessarily female can have all the problems that females
540:44 can have all the problems that females would have or could have. And like not
540:47 would have or could have. And like not everyone has the same hormone balance
540:48 everyone has the same hormone balance just because they have the same
540:49 just because they have the same chromosomes and all chromosomes, sorry,
540:51 chromosomes and all chromosomes, sorry, and all that stuff. and they kind of
540:54 and all that stuff. and they kind of conceded that, but I guess they're not
540:57 conceded that, but I guess they're not as um
540:59 as um submerged in the world of u a variety of
541:02 submerged in the world of u a variety of gender expression as I am. So maybe
541:06 gender expression as I am. So maybe you're right and they just conflate it
541:08 you're right and they just conflate it to more.
541:10 to more. >> I mean, I don't know. I don't Yeah, I
541:11 >> I mean, I don't know. I don't Yeah, I don't know them. I mean, I I have no
541:13 don't know them. I mean, I I have no idea whether whether they do or don't.
541:15 idea whether whether they do or don't. Um, and
541:18 Um, and I mean I I think that anything that has
541:20 I mean I I think that anything that has to do with medicine is going to is going
541:22 to do with medicine is going to is going to stay one of those things that it's
541:23 to stay one of those things that it's like once it starts impacting people's
541:25 like once it starts impacting people's healthcare, it has to be considered
541:27 healthcare, it has to be considered regardless. But that's knowing that sex
541:29 regardless. But that's knowing that sex and gender are different things are
541:32 and gender are different things are distinct things and recognizing the
541:34 distinct things and recognizing the diversity of both is something that I I
541:37 diversity of both is something that I I certainly hope we're globally moving in
541:39 certainly hope we're globally moving in the right direction on. We're certainly
541:41 the right direction on. We're certainly not where where I live, but I hope
541:43 not where where I live, but I hope globally we're moving in the right
541:44 globally we're moving in the right direction on that. I don't know.
541:47 direction on that. I don't know. I don't know. First, am I totally off on
541:49 I don't know. First, am I totally off on that on the the sex and gender thing
541:52 that on the the sex and gender thing with regard to medicine? So, I'm kind of
541:54 with regard to medicine? So, I'm kind of just groping in the dark here.
541:57 just groping in the dark here. >> No, you're fine. Uh uh groping is always
541:59 >> No, you're fine. Uh uh groping is always fun. I apologize. I was busy over here.
542:01 fun. I apologize. I was busy over here. We got I saw somebody in the chat who
542:04 We got I saw somebody in the chat who was on my Instagram earlier saying like,
542:06 was on my Instagram earlier saying like, "Hey, you remember me?" And they happen
542:07 "Hey, you remember me?" And they happen to be also a genocide denier and I was
542:09 to be also a genocide denier and I was encouraging them to call in. Um could
542:11 encouraging them to call in. Um could you please just give me the the bullet
542:12 you please just give me the the bullet point here? We're talking about sex and
542:14 point here? We're talking about sex and gender from a familial perspective or
542:16 gender from a familial perspective or medical perspective. What was it again?
542:17 medical perspective. What was it again? >> So Mirren was saying that he's got two
542:20 >> So Mirren was saying that he's got two or that they have two relatives who are
542:23 or that they have two relatives who are in the medical field, right? Both in the
542:25 in the medical field, right? Both in the medical field. Both of them are
542:27 medical field. Both of them are >> right
542:27 >> right >> women and assigned female at birth and
542:30 >> women and assigned female at birth and both of them take the perspective that
542:32 both of them take the perspective that to go to a genderneutral society would
542:34 to go to a genderneutral society would be to sort of diminish something with
542:36 be to sort of diminish something with regard to sex and gender, right? That
542:38 regard to sex and gender, right? That that that's that would be a bad idea.
542:39 that that's that would be a bad idea. medicine would lose out on information
542:42 medicine would lose out on information if we did the gender abolitionism. And
542:44 if we did the gender abolitionism. And my thinking was I think that's a hard
542:46 my thinking was I think that's a hard cell unless you're linking sex and
542:48 cell unless you're linking sex and gender together, right? Because I don't
542:50 gender together, right? Because I don't know of anybody who's a gender
542:51 know of anybody who's a gender abolitionist. Maybe I'm not rolling in
542:53 abolitionist. Maybe I'm not rolling in the in the right circles to see it. But
542:56 the in the right circles to see it. But I don't know anybody who's like, "Yeah,
542:57 I don't know anybody who's like, "Yeah, let's abol or let's get rid of the
542:59 let's abol or let's get rid of the abolish." That's what I look for. Let's
543:01 abolish." That's what I look for. Let's abolish the concept of sex. I I don't
543:02 abolish the concept of sex. I I don't think I've met anybody who's saying
543:04 think I've met anybody who's saying that, but
543:05 that, but >> I don't know. Maybe maybe you have.
543:07 >> I don't know. Maybe maybe you have. I have actually heard that, but not from
543:10 I have actually heard that, but not from anybody who's an authority in any of
543:11 anybody who's an authority in any of this or or educated in any of this. Just
543:13 this or or educated in any of this. Just just, you know, some some some radical
543:15 just, you know, some some some radical activists. And so like um for me, I I
543:18 activists. And so like um for me, I I can get where they're coming from in so
543:19 can get where they're coming from in so far as like gender as it is right now is
543:23 far as like gender as it is right now is of anthropological significance, right?
543:25 of anthropological significance, right? It it is a thing that we see played out
543:27 It it is a thing that we see played out across human cultures. And so to get rid
543:30 across human cultures. And so to get rid of it as a concept in our society
543:32 of it as a concept in our society wouldn't be getting rid of it as a
543:34 wouldn't be getting rid of it as a concept for humanity. and it would still
543:35 concept for humanity. and it would still be significant in that way. Um, so we
543:38 be significant in that way. Um, so we can track trends and things based on
543:41 can track trends and things based on sex, but the difference is the way that
543:44 sex, but the difference is the way that we lead out gendered lives, the way that
543:47 we lead out gendered lives, the way that we think about ourselves and interact
543:49 we think about ourselves and interact with the world as people with genders,
543:51 with the world as people with genders, it does have an impact on us. Um, and so
543:54 it does have an impact on us. Um, and so that's still something to look into. And
543:56 that's still something to look into. And if you were to actually have an
543:59 if you were to actually have an abolitionist society, it'd be
544:01 abolitionist society, it'd be interesting to think about what that
544:03 interesting to think about what that might look like from a a biological
544:05 might look like from a a biological perspective as from a medical
544:06 perspective as from a medical perspective, but I I don't know what it
544:08 perspective, but I I don't know what it would look like leading up to that
544:10 would look like leading up to that point. And I think you could say you
544:12 point. And I think you could say you were losing out on something there. So I
544:14 were losing out on something there. So I think it's reasonable to say that this
544:16 think it's reasonable to say that this is a you know the the phenomenon of
544:19 is a you know the the phenomenon of gender is a normal part of the human
544:22 gender is a normal part of the human experience and it appears to be a more
544:25 experience and it appears to be a more or less universal one. Um even if
544:28 or less universal one. Um even if someone was agender I would I would
544:30 someone was agender I would I would still say that that's a way of
544:33 still say that that's a way of expressing this this this internal sense
544:35 expressing this this this internal sense of who you are in a way that just you're
544:38 of who you are in a way that just you're just saying none of the possibilities
544:41 just saying none of the possibilities really work for me. That's still an
544:43 really work for me. That's still an expression in the same way that choosing
544:44 expression in the same way that choosing to do nothing is still making a choice
544:45 to do nothing is still making a choice kind of thing. You know what I mean? Or
544:47 kind of thing. You know what I mean? Or having the TV off doesn't mean your TV
544:48 having the TV off doesn't mean your TV doesn't exist. So like you're still
544:51 doesn't exist. So like you're still expressing to me how you feel and how
544:53 expressing to me how you feel and how you were identifying yourself and how
544:54 you were identifying yourself and how you're you're interacting with your own
544:56 you're you're interacting with your own mind. So that's just where I'm at with
544:59 mind. So that's just where I'm at with it. I I can understand where they might
545:01 it. I I can understand where they might be coming from just from hearing that.
545:03 be coming from just from hearing that. I'm not I'm not them. I can understand
545:05 I'm not I'm not them. I can understand that. I can also understand the
545:08 that. I can also understand the frustration of saying like as a woman
545:11 frustration of saying like as a woman getting to this point of progress and
545:13 getting to this point of progress and equality, I can maybe feel some
545:16 equality, I can maybe feel some frustration of having that completely
545:18 frustration of having that completely removed. I can I can understand maybe
545:20 removed. I can I can understand maybe that argument as well. Um but I could
545:24 that argument as well. Um but I could also argue in the opposite direction to
545:25 also argue in the opposite direction to say if you're really talking about
545:26 say if you're really talking about equality,
545:28 equality, putting everything at zero is is the
545:30 putting everything at zero is is the best way to do that. Um I don't know.
545:33 best way to do that. Um I don't know. It's it's it's difficult to say without
545:36 It's it's it's difficult to say without like a really really really deep dive in
545:38 like a really really really deep dive in just the anthropology of what gender has
545:41 just the anthropology of what gender has always looked like. Um and and the way
545:44 always looked like. Um and and the way like if there are boundaries to that,
545:46 like if there are boundaries to that, which I don't think there are, and what
545:47 which I don't think there are, and what those boundaries may look like. Yeah,
545:50 those boundaries may look like. Yeah, it's it's an interesting discussion. I
545:52 it's it's an interesting discussion. I I'm not on board with it, but I could
545:53 I'm not on board with it, but I could understand I I could stretch my brain to
545:55 understand I I could stretch my brain to understand where they might be coming
545:56 understand where they might be coming from, for sure.
546:05 >> Yeah. I I wasn't like trying to put their argument on the spot or anything.
546:06 their argument on the spot or anything. It was just I was unsure in how far they
546:11 It was just I was unsure in how far they um they they could be correct in the
546:13 um they they could be correct in the sense that gender expression would be
546:15 sense that gender expression would be relevant in the medical field and it was
546:18 relevant in the medical field and it was part of my question I guess.
546:20 part of my question I guess. >> Yeah.
546:20 >> Yeah. >> Gender expression could be relevant in
546:22 >> Gender expression could be relevant in the medical field because the the the
546:24 the medical field because the the the way that we interact with as as gendered
546:27 way that we interact with as as gendered individuals, the way that we interact
546:28 individuals, the way that we interact with the world around us does have
546:30 with the world around us does have differential effects. So say for example
546:33 differential effects. So say for example um men right men are at risk of a huge
546:38 um men right men are at risk of a huge amount of of you know poor health
546:40 amount of of you know poor health outcomes because they are men in our
546:43 outcomes because they are men in our society not because they are males
546:45 society not because they are males because they are men. Because men in our
546:48 because they are men. Because men in our society are more likely to experiment
546:50 society are more likely to experiment with drugs and alcohol or more likely to
546:52 with drugs and alcohol or more likely to smoke are more likely to take
546:53 smoke are more likely to take unnecessary risks are less likely to
546:55 unnecessary risks are less likely to seek out medical care especially
546:57 seek out medical care especially psychiatric care. Men in our society
547:00 psychiatric care. Men in our society because of the way that men treat each
547:01 because of the way that men treat each other and view themselves are
547:03 other and view themselves are significantly greater risk of all sorts
547:06 significantly greater risk of all sorts of preventable diseases. Males are not.
547:09 of preventable diseases. Males are not. That's not saying males, right? Because
547:11 That's not saying males, right? Because there is no toxic male. There's toxic
547:14 there is no toxic male. There's toxic masculinity and that's the problem we're
547:16 masculinity and that's the problem we're having here. And so like you talk about
547:18 having here. And so like you talk about loneliness and suicide rates and all
547:20 loneliness and suicide rates and all this [ __ ] that applies to men. There's a
547:22 this [ __ ] that applies to men. There's a a lot of I've seen several trans men who
547:25 a lot of I've seen several trans men who talk about this where they're like, "I'm
547:27 talk about this where they're like, "I'm so [ __ ] lonely. I used to be able to
547:29 so [ __ ] lonely. I used to be able to have a great conversation with somebody
547:30 have a great conversation with somebody in the lady's bathroom and become
547:32 in the lady's bathroom and become friends instantly. Have somebody perk me
547:34 friends instantly. Have somebody perk me up. I haven't talked to somebody in
547:35 up. I haven't talked to somebody in months because men don't talk." And
547:38 months because men don't talk." And like, so if you're talking about gender
547:40 like, so if you're talking about gender as it applies to medicine, yeah,
547:42 as it applies to medicine, yeah, absolutely there's a thing there. And I
547:44 absolutely there's a thing there. And I can understand how some there may be
547:46 can understand how some there may be positive aspects where I I'm telling you
547:48 positive aspects where I I'm telling you all these risks, you could also point to
547:50 all these risks, you could also point to positive aspects and say those things
547:51 positive aspects and say those things would be lost. And there's a good
547:53 would be lost. And there's a good argument to be had about how worth it
547:56 argument to be had about how worth it that would be. Um but yeah, from from
547:59 that would be. Um but yeah, from from that I I don't know I don't know where
548:02 that I I don't know I don't know where you could go from there as far as as uh
548:05 you could go from there as far as as uh medicine is concerned beyond doing a
548:07 medicine is concerned beyond doing a really really big deep dive in
548:08 really really big deep dive in separating sex from gender in a
548:10 separating sex from gender in a meaningful and biomedical way.
548:13 meaningful and biomedical way. It's so hard to say too like with any
548:16 It's so hard to say too like with any degree of certainty
548:18 degree of certainty where sex and gender intersects
548:20 where sex and gender intersects intersect
548:22 intersect intersect although relevant intersect is
548:24 intersect although relevant intersect is relevant here where sex and gender
548:26 relevant here where sex and gender intersect with one another with regard
548:28 intersect with one another with regard to behavioral predispositions, right?
548:31 to behavioral predispositions, right? Like there are all of these things that
548:33 Like there are all of these things that that we've taken for granted as like
548:35 that we've taken for granted as like sexual predispositions. If you're
548:36 sexual predispositions. If you're female, you're you're more caring. If
548:39 female, you're you're more caring. If you're male, you're more risktaking,
548:41 you're male, you're more risktaking, right? like these these ideas that are
548:42 right? like these these ideas that are major generalizations and I'm I'm not
548:44 major generalizations and I'm I'm not sure the degree to which these proposed
548:48 sure the degree to which these proposed sexual predispositions are actually
548:50 sexual predispositions are actually based off of sex or if they are how we
548:53 based off of sex or if they are how we raise people. Um I don't know the answer
548:55 raise people. Um I don't know the answer to that question. I think that I think
548:58 to that question. I think that I think they probably inform each other to a
549:01 they probably inform each other to a drastic degree regardless. Or rather, I
549:03 drastic degree regardless. Or rather, I would wager that that gender is informed
549:07 would wager that that gender is informed by sex to the degree that how you are
549:09 by sex to the degree that how you are recognized socially creates a feedback
549:11 recognized socially creates a feedback loop where you continue to um nurture
549:14 loop where you continue to um nurture and develop that identity. So in in a
549:18 and develop that identity. So in in a gender abolitionist society, I would
549:20 gender abolitionist society, I would imagine that there would be some kind of
549:22 imagine that there would be some kind of situation where it's like you pick your
549:24 situation where it's like you pick your own identity and then you wouldn't
549:26 own identity and then you wouldn't really have this feedback loop operating
549:28 really have this feedback loop operating in the same way, right? um where how
549:31 in the same way, right? um where how that would intersect with medicine. I'm
549:33 that would intersect with medicine. I'm It definitely would. It would have to,
549:35 It definitely would. It would have to, right? But I don't know how that would I
549:36 right? But I don't know how that would I don't know how that would look.
549:38 don't know how that would look. >> Um
549:40 >> Um I don't know. I don't know.
549:43 I don't know. I don't know. So, you know, I don't know. We're We're
549:45 So, you know, I don't know. We're We're all spitballing here, though. We're all
549:46 all spitballing here, though. We're all just We're having a good time. We're all
549:47 just We're having a good time. We're all just shooting the [ __ ] trying to figure
549:48 just shooting the [ __ ] trying to figure out we're playing We're Here we are
549:51 out we're playing We're Here we are playing fantasy games of a potential of
549:53 playing fantasy games of a potential of a potential alternative utopian future
549:55 a potential alternative utopian future where sex and gender aren't the deals
549:58 where sex and gender aren't the deals that they are today. And it's like
549:59 that they are today. And it's like meanwhile we we unfortunately we have
550:01 meanwhile we we unfortunately we have bigger fish to fry. But
550:04 bigger fish to fry. But >> yeah, it's like what what what Forest
550:08 >> yeah, it's like what what what Forest was saying with like uh men are more
550:10 was saying with like uh men are more likely to for example experiment with
550:12 likely to for example experiment with alcohol or drugs. how I feel about it,
550:16 alcohol or drugs. how I feel about it, which is not at all a truth claim in any
550:18 which is not at all a truth claim in any sense, is that
550:20 sense, is that um I feel like it would be way more
550:22 um I feel like it would be way more useful to then ask the question, do you
550:25 useful to then ask the question, do you experiment with alcohol or drugs or um
550:29 experiment with alcohol or drugs or um how likely would you be to seek out
550:31 how likely would you be to seek out psych psychiatric wow that word is hard
550:34 psych psychiatric wow that word is hard to pronounce psychiatry I give up um
550:38 to pronounce psychiatry I give up um mental health um or um like questions
550:42 mental health um or um like questions that address the issue specifically
550:44 that address the issue specifically instead of um going off of a
550:47 instead of um going off of a generalization that might or might not
550:49 generalization that might or might not be true because people divert so much
550:52 be true because people divert so much within um a group and a gender that I I
550:56 within um a group and a gender that I I never felt like any of those descriptors
550:59 never felt like any of those descriptors was entirely or even partly useful to
551:03 was entirely or even partly useful to describe a person neither for myself but
551:05 describe a person neither for myself but neither for other people like
551:08 neither for other people like >> I don't see my father for example as a
551:10 >> I don't see my father for example as a man because he would fit in some
551:14 man because he would fit in some arbitrary stereotype, but because he
551:16 arbitrary stereotype, but because he feels like a man. And I always well for
551:21 feels like a man. And I always well for a long time I have felt like um the the
551:23 a long time I have felt like um the the generalization that comes with every
551:25 generalization that comes with every label that humans create or that emerges
551:29 label that humans create or that emerges from definitions is in that sense less
551:33 from definitions is in that sense less useful than um asking the actual
551:37 useful than um asking the actual question instead of going off a
551:38 question instead of going off a generalization. But I might be wrong
551:40 generalization. But I might be wrong about that. Well, I think I think Forest
551:42 about that. Well, I think I think Forest has talked about this before um in other
551:45 has talked about this before um in other streams, but like I think part of the to
551:48 streams, but like I think part of the to your point, Mirin,
551:50 your point, Mirin, our con our conception of what counts as
551:53 our con our conception of what counts as a man and what counts as a woman, what
551:55 a man and what counts as a woman, what men do, what women do has changed so
551:58 men do, what women do has changed so much through space and through time. And
552:00 much through space and through time. And so little of it, if any of it, is
552:03 so little of it, if any of it, is intrinsically tied to sex that it's like
552:06 intrinsically tied to sex that it's like like to to your assigned sex at birth
552:09 like to to your assigned sex at birth that I don't know. I think it's I
552:11 that I don't know. I think it's I certainly it is an incredibly
552:14 certainly it is an incredibly malleable part of our identity as a
552:17 malleable part of our identity as a species as to as how we see each other.
552:20 species as to as how we see each other. Um, and you know, other other social
552:22 Um, and you know, other other social critters don't seem nearly as caught up
552:24 critters don't seem nearly as caught up in this, right? Like animals behave how
552:26 in this, right? Like animals behave how animals behave and they're their their
552:29 animals behave and they're their their behavior is informed or can be informed
552:30 behavior is informed or can be informed by their sex, but like they're free to
552:33 by their sex, but like they're free to to behave in a myriad of different
552:35 to behave in a myriad of different interesting, fascinating, diverse ways
552:37 interesting, fascinating, diverse ways that don't necessarily line up with our
552:39 that don't necessarily line up with our preconceptions. So, I think there's a
552:41 preconceptions. So, I think there's a lot of room here. I just don't know. I
552:43 lot of room here. I just don't know. I don't know. It It's such a hypothetical
552:45 don't know. It It's such a hypothetical right now that I don't I don't
552:48 right now that I don't I don't >> I don't know what it would I I mean, you
552:50 >> I don't know what it would I I mean, you know, we're chasing our tails here. I
552:51 know, we're chasing our tails here. I don't know what it would look like. I
552:52 don't know what it would look like. I don't know how society at large would
552:55 don't know how society at large would take it. I think force is probably also
552:56 take it. I think force is probably also right that there would there will always
552:58 right that there would there will always probably be societies that that prefer
553:00 probably be societies that that prefer to recognize things like gender. I don't
553:02 to recognize things like gender. I don't know. Um
553:05 know. Um yeah, but that's what I got and I also
553:06 yeah, but that's what I got and I also have to pee. So Mirin, thank you for
553:09 have to pee. So Mirin, thank you for give your closing thoughts and we keep
553:11 give your closing thoughts and we keep talking. I don't know if I come back and
553:13 talking. I don't know if I come back and you guys are still talking, I'll join
553:14 you guys are still talking, I'll join in. But I do have to pee because I keep
553:15 in. But I do have to pee because I keep drinking water.
553:16 drinking water. >> Okay. I hope this I hope this answered
553:18 >> Okay. I hope this I hope this answered your questions and like I think it's a a
553:20 your questions and like I think it's a a productive and good conversation. I
553:21 productive and good conversation. I think there's a lot of stuff here. Um,
553:24 think there's a lot of stuff here. Um, >> and I I would be interested to hear more
553:27 >> and I I would be interested to hear more like
553:28 like people who who are focused more on
553:30 people who who are focused more on anthropology and gender gender studies
553:32 anthropology and gender gender studies and such than I to really dig into it
553:34 and such than I to really dig into it because it sounds pretty [ __ ] neat.
553:36 because it sounds pretty [ __ ] neat. Anyway, with that, we've got uh 30
553:40 Anyway, with that, we've got uh 30 minutes left before we're supposed to be
553:42 minutes left before we're supposed to be ending the stream. We're already going
553:44 ending the stream. We're already going to go over that, so I'm going to jump
553:46 to go over that, so I'm going to jump on. We've got a couple other people
553:47 on. We've got a couple other people waiting, but I hope this answers your
553:48 waiting, but I hope this answers your questions.
553:50 questions. Well, there there's not really a
553:52 Well, there there's not really a conclusive answer, I guess, but I at
553:53 conclusive answer, I guess, but I at least saw your insight a lot. And uh so,
553:56 least saw your insight a lot. And uh so, thank you very much for taking my call
553:57 thank you very much for taking my call and good luck with the rest of the
553:58 and good luck with the rest of the stream.
554:00 stream. Thank you so much. Take care.
554:04 Thank you so much. Take care. Uh Yonathan in the chat, still waiting
554:08 Uh Yonathan in the chat, still waiting for you to call in and explain to me how
554:10 for you to call in and explain to me how the famine in Gaza has been thoroughly
554:12 the famine in Gaza has been thoroughly debunked. Would love to take your call.
554:16 debunked. Would love to take your call. Would love to. I will even I will
554:18 Would love to. I will even I will pressure Ardan into opening a line for
554:20 pressure Ardan into opening a line for you cuz I'm pretty sure she already
554:22 you cuz I'm pretty sure she already closed lines. So like let us know in the
554:24 closed lines. So like let us know in the chat. Say, "Hey, I'm here. I'm ready to
554:26 chat. Say, "Hey, I'm here. I'm ready to call in." And I will send her a very
554:30 call in." And I will send her a very nice lasagna in order to uh go and
554:34 nice lasagna in order to uh go and pressure her into opening a line just
554:36 pressure her into opening a line just for you.
554:37 for you. >> The only thing get me to do that is if
554:39 >> The only thing get me to do that is if somebody gives me personally $5,000
554:42 somebody gives me personally $5,000 directly right now.
554:45 directly right now. >> Don't listen to her. Don't listen to
554:46 >> Don't listen to her. Don't listen to her. Don't listen to her. She would do
554:48 her. Don't listen to her. She would do it if she is a good person who values
554:52 it if she is a good person who values the lives of Palestinians and wants the
554:54 the lives of Palestinians and wants the genocide to end and knows that we can
554:56 genocide to end and knows that we can only do that by swaying public opinion
554:58 only do that by swaying public opinion with facts and evidence. And douchebags
555:00 with facts and evidence. And douchebags like Jonathan who says that we, you
555:02 like Jonathan who says that we, you know, there's no evidence of this. It's
555:04 know, there's no evidence of this. It's been thoroughly debunked and all that
555:05 been thoroughly debunked and all that stuff need to hear the truth. And so she
555:07 stuff need to hear the truth. And so she as a good person who is against genocide
555:10 as a good person who is against genocide and and and wants Palestine to be free,
555:13 and and and wants Palestine to be free, she is going to open a line for you if
555:16 she is going to open a line for you if you just come into chat and tell us that
555:18 you just come into chat and tell us that you're here. We need you to just tell us
555:20 you're here. We need you to just tell us you're here and we'll do it. Um but you
555:22 you're here and we'll do it. Um but you popped up on my Instagram and I gave you
555:25 popped up on my Instagram and I gave you like some information. You ignored it
555:27 like some information. You ignored it and now you popped up here in chat
555:28 and now you popped up here in chat saying, "Do you remember me from
555:30 saying, "Do you remember me from Instagram?" Yes, I do, [ __ ] It
555:31 Instagram?" Yes, I do, [ __ ] It took me a couple minutes to do it, but I
555:32 took me a couple minutes to do it, but I do remember you. Ready to take your
555:34 do remember you. Ready to take your call. ready to talk to you about this.
555:37 call. ready to talk to you about this. would love to give you some resources
555:39 would love to give you some resources from the world authority on hunger and
555:43 from the world authority on hunger and famine and food insecurity. The
555:45 famine and food insecurity. The integrated food security phase
555:46 integrated food security phase classification, the IPC analysis from
555:49 classification, the IPC analysis from the UN which cited irrefutable what they
555:53 the UN which cited irrefutable what they called irrefutable evidence of famine in
555:56 called irrefutable evidence of famine in Gaza. And not just any kind of famine
555:57 Gaza. And not just any kind of famine either. Phase five famine, the the most
556:00 either. Phase five famine, the the most severe catastrophic famine, the kind
556:04 severe catastrophic famine, the kind that you can't just fix by just throwing
556:07 that you can't just fix by just throwing food at people because you've already
556:08 food at people because you've already caused permanent damage to their bodies.
556:11 caused permanent damage to their bodies. And here I actually have their report,
556:13 And here I actually have their report, the IPC report from August of 2025,
556:18 the IPC report from August of 2025, Famine Review Committee, Gaza Strip.
556:20 Famine Review Committee, Gaza Strip. Let's actually just pull this up right
556:22 Let's actually just pull this up right here, you dumb [ __ ] because I
556:23 here, you dumb [ __ ] because I know you're not calling in. Let's just
556:25 know you're not calling in. Let's just put this on the screen right there. Here
556:27 put this on the screen right there. Here is that report
556:29 is that report and you can scroll right down here.
556:30 and you can scroll right down here. Let's just read the executive summary
556:32 Let's just read the executive summary together. The famine review committee
556:34 together. The famine review committee has determined famine IPC phase 5 is
556:38 has determined famine IPC phase 5 is currently occurring in Gaza govern uh
556:40 currently occurring in Gaza govern uh governor. Furthermore, the F FRC
556:43 governor. Furthermore, the F FRC projects famine IPC phase 5 threshold to
556:45 projects famine IPC phase 5 threshold to be crossed uh here in the coming weeks.
556:48 be crossed uh here in the coming weeks. I'm not going to try to pronounce these
556:50 I'm not going to try to pronounce these things cuz I'm not going to do them
556:51 things cuz I'm not going to do them justice. As this famine is entirely
556:54 justice. As this famine is entirely man-made, it can be halted and reversed.
556:56 man-made, it can be halted and reversed. The time for debate and hesitation has
556:58 The time for debate and hesitation has passed. Starvation is present and is
557:00 passed. Starvation is present and is rapidly spreading. There should be no
557:02 rapidly spreading. There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that an immediate
557:05 doubt in anyone's mind that an immediate atscale response is needed. Any further
557:08 atscale response is needed. Any further delay, even by days, will result in a
557:10 delay, even by days, will result in a totally unacceptable explation
557:12 totally unacceptable explation of famine related mortality. It really
557:16 of famine related mortality. It really is that simple, dude. And I'd be happy
557:19 is that simple, dude. And I'd be happy to show you how they came to these
557:20 to show you how they came to these conclusions. I'd be happy to show you
557:22 conclusions. I'd be happy to show you pictures. I'd be happy to show you all
557:24 pictures. I'd be happy to show you all sorts of things. Would love to talk to
557:26 sorts of things. Would love to talk to you. And also, let's just start by
557:28 you. And also, let's just start by defining what the word genocide means
557:29 defining what the word genocide means and see if you can get past that. Let us
557:31 and see if you can get past that. Let us know in the chat. I'll keep my eyes open
557:33 know in the chat. I'll keep my eyes open on it. In the meantime,
557:36 on it. In the meantime, we were supposed to end in 30 minutes.
557:39 we were supposed to end in 30 minutes. That's not going to happen. So, let's
557:41 That's not going to happen. So, let's talk to
557:43 talk to uh I'm thinking either line 88 or line
557:45 uh I'm thinking either line 88 or line 91. What do you think? Line 91 has been
557:48 91. What do you think? Line 91 has been waiting for a very long time as well.
557:50 waiting for a very long time as well. just got in uh through from the
557:52 just got in uh through from the screenery room.
557:58 >> Let's do waiting longest. Sorry, I'm meeting animal crackers now.
558:01 meeting animal crackers now. >> That's fine. All right, let's talk to
558:03 >> That's fine. All right, let's talk to Cirrus or maybe Cyrus. I don't know. Let
558:05 Cirrus or maybe Cyrus. I don't know. Let me know. Um any pronouns calling in all
558:08 me know. Um any pronouns calling in all the way from England
558:11 the way from England who says, "People imply you can't have
558:13 who says, "People imply you can't have scientific and religious beliefs. How do
558:15 scientific and religious beliefs. How do I remove themselves in those beliefs?"
558:16 I remove themselves in those beliefs?" That's interesting. Cyrus or Cirrus,
558:18 That's interesting. Cyrus or Cirrus, you're on the line with Forest and
558:19 you're on the line with Forest and Erica. How you doing today?
558:20 Erica. How you doing today? >> Uh, hello. It's It's Cyrus. How are you
558:23 >> Uh, hello. It's It's Cyrus. How are you guys doing?
558:24 guys doing? >> Cyrus. All right.
558:26 >> Cyrus. All right. >> We're good.
558:33 >> So, what like can I give a little bit of background about myself before I yap for
558:36 background about myself before I yap for a second or yap?
558:38 a second or yap? >> I'm anxious. I'm sorry.
558:41 >> I'm anxious. I'm sorry. >> So,
558:43 >> So, I grew up studying Japanese martial
558:46 I grew up studying Japanese martial arts.
558:48 arts. >> Mhm. which then ended up in me getting
558:50 >> Mhm. which then ended up in me getting into like Southeast Asian philosophy,
558:54 into like Southeast Asian philosophy, which then got me into Japanese
558:56 which then got me into Japanese philosophy to be specific, and then into
558:59 philosophy to be specific, and then into Shintoism like as a religion. And that
559:08 really clicked with me. So right now if someone were to ask me
559:10 So right now if someone were to ask me you know what my religious belief was
559:13 you know what my religious belief was I'd say probably somewhere Shinto
559:21 and I also have like a passion for research and studying things. I also
559:24 research and studying things. I also just want to say thank you to Erica for
559:25 just want to say thank you to Erica for your videos have made it a lot easier
559:27 your videos have made it a lot easier for me to understand how to read
559:29 for me to understand how to read scientific papers.
559:30 scientific papers. >> Yes,
559:31 >> Yes, >> that was like your videos are super
559:32 >> that was like your videos are super useful.
559:33 useful. >> Wait, yes, that's amazing. You were the
559:36 >> Wait, yes, that's amazing. You were the first person to ever tell me that.
559:38 first person to ever tell me that. That's so wonderful to hear. That's
559:40 That's so wonderful to hear. That's great. I The way that I go through
559:41 great. I The way that I go through scientific papers on the channel is the
559:43 scientific papers on the channel is the way that I read them. So, I'm glad I'm
559:45 way that I read them. So, I'm glad I'm glad that that you find that helpful.
559:47 glad that that you find that helpful. Continue. Sorry.
559:50 Continue. Sorry. >> Yeah, it was very very helpful. And very
559:54 >> Yeah, it was very very helpful. And very recently, I'd say about a few months
559:57 recently, I'd say about a few months ago,
559:58 ago, I got into like science communication
560:03 I got into like science communication and um I don't know what to call
560:05 and um I don't know what to call anti-reationist. I don't I don't know
560:07 anti-reationist. I don't I don't know what to say cuz I don't even fully agree
560:09 what to say cuz I don't even fully agree with creationism to begin with. Um,
560:13 with creationism to begin with. Um, but
560:15 but Emma Thorne was like what I started out
560:18 Emma Thorne was like what I started out with. Then I saw the collaboration uh
560:23 with. Then I saw the collaboration uh Forest and a few other nine other
560:26 Forest and a few other nine other creators did on The Skeptic, which then
560:28 creators did on The Skeptic, which then got me into Forest's channel.
560:32 got me into Forest's channel. Then I found the line and I have a few
560:36 Then I found the line and I have a few like questions about getting into
560:38 like questions about getting into science communication
560:40 science communication and um studying biology and like the
560:43 and um studying biology and like the three sciences because I personally have
560:46 three sciences because I personally have a very big
560:48 a very big attachment I'd call it to physics and
560:50 attachment I'd call it to physics and astrophysics.
560:52 astrophysics. I've always loved the sky, realized I
560:55 I've always loved the sky, realized I also really like biology and now I'm
561:00 also really like biology and now I'm getting into like higher education and
561:02 getting into like higher education and I'm not sure what road to pick because
561:04 I'm not sure what road to pick because my passion and like the thing I enjoy
561:06 my passion and like the thing I enjoy the most would be biology. But the thing
561:09 the most would be biology. But the thing I have the most commitment to
561:13 I have the most commitment to is
561:15 is physics.
561:17 physics. So that's like my first question.
561:20 So that's like my first question. Obviously, you guys are both biologists,
561:22 Obviously, you guys are both biologists, so you're probably a biased source.
561:25 so you're probably a biased source. >> We're biased.
561:26 >> We're biased. >> But how do you choose between those two
561:29 >> But how do you choose between those two like things between like a passion and a
561:32 like things between like a passion and a thing you like? Because I, you know,
561:37 thing you like? Because I, you know, >> you know, I
561:38 >> you know, I >> I'm happy to tell you why biology is the
561:40 >> I'm happy to tell you why biology is the best.
561:40 best. >> I think that's I think it's a great
561:42 >> I think that's I think it's a great question. Forest is going to give you
561:43 question. Forest is going to give you the biased answer and I'm going to try
561:45 the biased answer and I'm going to try to give you the irritating, thoughtful
561:47 to give you the irritating, thoughtful answer. I'll try. So, Forest, go ahead.
561:49 answer. I'll try. So, Forest, go ahead. Tell him why he should pick our field
561:51 Tell him why he should pick our field instead.
561:54 instead. >> Uh because it overlaps with
561:56 >> Uh because it overlaps with >> it overlaps with all other sciences.
562:00 >> it overlaps with all other sciences. They often call uh chemistry the central
562:03 They often call uh chemistry the central science because all these other sciences
562:05 science because all these other sciences point to chemistry and I like that. Um
562:09 point to chemistry and I like that. Um chemistry is the heart of the mountain.
562:11 chemistry is the heart of the mountain. Biology is the peak. Biology is the peak
562:14 Biology is the peak. Biology is the peak of science because you need all the
562:16 of science because you need all the other sciences to build to biology. All
562:18 other sciences to build to biology. All the other sciences point to chemistry,
562:20 the other sciences point to chemistry, but all the other sciences build
562:22 but all the other sciences build together to form biology. If you like
562:25 together to form biology. If you like physics, guess what exists? Bioysics.
562:27 physics, guess what exists? Bioysics. You like chemistry, guess what exists?
562:29 You like chemistry, guess what exists? Biochemistry. Right? You can go all over
562:32 Biochemistry. Right? You can go all over the place and explore the the different
562:35 the place and explore the the different sciences through the lens of living
562:38 sciences through the lens of living things because only with all of those
562:41 things because only with all of those things together do you get living
562:44 things together do you get living things. And you know the best part about
562:46 things. And you know the best part about biology is you will never ever be bored
562:50 biology is you will never ever be bored academically ever. Because I promise
562:52 academically ever. Because I promise you, the second you think you've got
562:54 you, the second you think you've got something figured out, you turn over
562:55 something figured out, you turn over another rock and you find something that
562:57 another rock and you find something that violates everything you've ever thought
562:59 violates everything you've ever thought and everything you've ever known. And
563:00 and everything you've ever known. And then you get to study that and then you
563:02 then you get to study that and then you have yet another except unless until
563:05 have yet another except unless until every single [ __ ] rule you have ever
563:07 every single [ __ ] rule you have ever made ever. Go to the physics classroom.
563:10 made ever. Go to the physics classroom. What's gravity? Oh, f subg is equal to g
563:12 What's gravity? Oh, f subg is equal to g * m1 m2 / r^ 2. Here's general
563:15 * m1 m2 / r^ 2. Here's general relativity. Here's how it works. It
563:16 relativity. Here's how it works. It always works this way. And if you plug
563:18 always works this way. And if you plug these numbers into anything, it'll
563:20 these numbers into anything, it'll always do this thing. Neat. Go to
563:22 always do this thing. Neat. Go to [ __ ] biology. What's life? We don't
563:24 [ __ ] biology. What's life? We don't know. We have seven things that it does
563:27 know. We have seven things that it does and a lot of [ __ ] that doesn't care
563:28 and a lot of [ __ ] that doesn't care about those seven things. What the [ __ ]
563:30 about those seven things. What the [ __ ] is anything? It just is, dude. Oh, well,
563:34 is anything? It just is, dude. Oh, well, I at least I know for sure like, oh, I I
563:36 I at least I know for sure like, oh, I I can I can really narrow it down. All
563:38 can I can really narrow it down. All animals use mitochondria. surprise,
563:40 animals use mitochondria. surprise, [ __ ] No, they don't. There's a [ __ ]
563:43 [ __ ] No, they don't. There's a [ __ ] parasite that that absolutely doesn't
563:45 parasite that that absolutely doesn't use aerobic respiration in this way. So,
563:48 use aerobic respiration in this way. So, no, it doesn't. Well, I mean, they all
563:50 no, it doesn't. Well, I mean, they all have red blood, at least you know. No,
563:52 have red blood, at least you know. No, it doesn't. There's the ice fish I
563:53 it doesn't. There's the ice fish I talked about earlier and there's green
563:55 talked about earlier and there's green blood and there's blue blood. [ __ ] you.
563:58 blood and there's blue blood. [ __ ] you. Just every time you think you figure
563:59 Just every time you think you figure something out, [ __ ] you. And it's
564:01 something out, [ __ ] you. And it's exciting. It's wonderful for that
564:02 exciting. It's wonderful for that reason. So, yes, you should absolutely
564:04 reason. So, yes, you should absolutely check out biology and use it for
564:06 check out biology and use it for whatever you're interested in. Add a
564:08 whatever you're interested in. Add a biology spin to it and you will never
564:10 biology spin to it and you will never ever ever be bored.
564:12 ever ever be bored. >> What um if you don't mind me asking,
564:14 >> What um if you don't mind me asking, Cyrus, what year are you in your
564:18 Cyrus, what year are you in your education? Where are you at?
564:20 education? Where are you at? >> You might have said this at the
564:21 >> You might have said this at the beginning.
564:23 beginning. >> Are you familiar with the English school
564:25 >> Are you familiar with the English school system?
564:27 system? >> Vaguely. I know you guys
564:30 >> Vaguely. I know you guys >> is are you are you in are you in like
564:33 >> is are you are you in are you in like university or college or pre-un
564:35 university or college or pre-un university and college?
564:38 university and college? >> I'm going into college.
564:40 >> I'm going into college. >> Okay.
564:41 >> Okay. >> Which
564:41 >> Which >> So you are a 10th grader like
564:43 >> So you are a 10th grader like >> So you're a high schooler
564:49 >> pretty much. Yes. >> Because if I remember correctly
564:52 >> Because if I remember correctly >> our our junior and senior year of high
564:54 >> our our junior and senior year of high school is an optional thing for them. So
564:57 school is an optional thing for them. So they stop at 10th grade and could go on
565:00 they stop at 10th grade and could go on and that's essentially like community
565:02 and that's essentially like community college for us.
565:04 college for us. >> Yeah. Okay.
565:05 >> Yeah. Okay. >> That's our college. So that's when I say
565:06 >> That's our college. So that's when I say college, that's what I mean.
565:08 college, that's what I mean. >> Um
565:09 >> Um >> we get two more years and then college
565:11 >> we get two more years and then college is an extra thing on top.
565:14 is an extra thing on top. >> Yeah.
565:15 >> Yeah. So
565:16 So >> there's a very good college opening near
565:17 >> there's a very good college opening near me that has a like
565:27 >> they have a like focus on biology like biology, chemistry, and physics and they
565:29 biology, chemistry, and physics and they they're meant to have like the best
565:31 they're meant to have like the best facilities
565:32 facilities >> and I'm planning on going there
565:36 >> and I'm planning on going there but I'm not sure what I should pick.
565:40 but I'm not sure what I should pick. I'm very
565:42 I'm very like on one hand you're right about
565:44 like on one hand you're right about biology and I would really like to do
565:47 biology and I would really like to do something to do with biology but again
565:50 something to do with biology but again like physics was the thing that got me
565:52 like physics was the thing that got me into science. So
565:56 into science. So >> I
565:56 >> I >> Me too.
565:57 >> Me too. >> I don't know
565:58 >> I don't know >> the first science book I ever the first
566:00 >> the first science book I ever the first science book I ever read and the thing
566:01 science book I ever read and the thing that really made me most excited was A
566:03 that really made me most excited was A Brief History of Time.
566:05 Brief History of Time. >> And so and like I I still to this day I
566:07 >> And so and like I I still to this day I nerd out about that [ __ ] You know what
566:09 nerd out about that [ __ ] You know what exists, dude? Astrobiology.
566:12 exists, dude? Astrobiology. That's a thing. You got to learn a whole
566:14 That's a thing. You got to learn a whole bunch of astrophysics and then apply it
566:16 bunch of astrophysics and then apply it to what we
566:18 to what we >> Yeah, it's a thing, dude. And it the
566:20 >> Yeah, it's a thing, dude. And it the main thing you're studying is where
566:22 main thing you're studying is where stars come from, where planets come
566:24 stars come from, where planets come from, and where life comes from.
566:26 from, and where life comes from. >> You learn about aiogenesis.
566:28 >> You learn about aiogenesis. >> I'm going to say, too, that when you
566:32 >> I'm going to say, too, that when you this
566:35 this I'm glitching out again. This is going
566:36 I'm glitching out again. This is going to be me like coming from my my old
566:39 to be me like coming from my my old porch, you know, shaking my my cane, but
566:43 porch, you know, shaking my my cane, but from my rocking chair.
566:45 from my rocking chair. You what you pick is not what you're
566:48 You what you pick is not what you're going to lock into, right? I can count
566:50 going to lock into, right? I can count on one hand the number of people who
566:52 on one hand the number of people who ended up doing what they did when they
566:54 ended up doing what they did when they started. And that's normal. That's
566:56 started. And that's normal. That's that's how education works. That's how
566:58 that's how education works. That's how higher education of every variety works.
567:00 higher education of every variety works. It's the same for people who go to
567:02 It's the same for people who go to medical school, right? Like I knew a guy
567:04 medical school, right? Like I knew a guy who he went into medical school. He was
567:05 who he went into medical school. He was like, I'm going to be an oncologist. And
567:06 like, I'm going to be an oncologist. And then he left a pediatrician. And I know
567:08 then he left a pediatrician. And I know somebody else who was the exact opposite
567:10 somebody else who was the exact opposite path. They were like, I'm going to be a
567:11 path. They were like, I'm going to be a pediatrician. They came out an
567:12 pediatrician. They came out an oncologist. Like it that's how it works.
567:14 oncologist. Like it that's how it works. And and every single field of science,
567:16 And and every single field of science, that's how it works. And that's because
567:17 that's how it works. And that's because the questions that you that truly itch
567:20 the questions that you that truly itch at you aren't the only questions that
567:22 at you aren't the only questions that you find interesting, right? And the
567:24 you find interesting, right? And the questions you find interesting aren't
567:25 questions you find interesting aren't going to be the thing that you
567:26 going to be the thing that you necessarily research. So my advice to
567:29 necessarily research. So my advice to you, Cyrus, is pick what pick what is
567:32 you, Cyrus, is pick what pick what is most interesting to you right now
567:34 most interesting to you right now because higher education is not easy. It
567:36 because higher education is not easy. It can be hard. And you want to make sure
567:38 can be hard. And you want to make sure that you're fueling yourself with
567:39 that you're fueling yourself with passion because some days passion is
567:41 passion because some days passion is going to be the only thing that's
567:42 going to be the only thing that's getting you to crack the book or that's
567:43 getting you to crack the book or that's getting you to to do some data entry or
567:46 getting you to to do some data entry or do some kind of analysis or mark
567:47 do some kind of analysis or mark something up or whatever, right? Like
567:48 something up or whatever, right? Like some days that's going to be what gets
567:50 some days that's going to be what gets you through. Passion is really really
567:52 you through. Passion is really really important. That's what I've told every
567:53 important. That's what I've told every single student that's passed through my
567:55 single student that's passed through my classroom. But I would also encourage
567:58 classroom. But I would also encourage you to step out while you're getting an
568:01 you to step out while you're getting an education and what you're interested
568:02 education and what you're interested right now and take classes that you
568:04 right now and take classes that you think seem interesting just for the hell
568:07 think seem interesting just for the hell of it. I took entomology when I was in
568:10 of it. I took entomology when I was in college when I was in university and it
568:12 college when I was in university and it was the best class I took. My favorite
568:14 was the best class I took. My favorite undergraduate class that I ever took was
568:16 undergraduate class that I ever took was entomology. Some days I think to myself,
568:18 entomology. Some days I think to myself, I see the future where I went into
568:20 I see the future where I went into entomology for a living. Um, primates
568:22 entomology for a living. Um, primates unfortunately are even cooler than bugs
568:24 unfortunately are even cooler than bugs are, as I would find out later. But I
568:26 are, as I would find out later. But I love arthropods. I absolutely love them.
568:28 love arthropods. I absolutely love them. They're phenomenal. They're so
568:30 They're phenomenal. They're so interesting. Um, you will take classes
568:32 interesting. Um, you will take classes throughout the course of your academic
568:33 throughout the course of your academic journey, as everyone does, that will
568:36 journey, as everyone does, that will surprisingly pull you in directions that
568:39 surprisingly pull you in directions that you did not think you would ever be
568:40 you did not think you would ever be pulled into. And you'll be faced with
568:42 pulled into. And you'll be faced with decisions over and over and over again.
568:44 decisions over and over and over again. Should I study this or should I study
568:45 Should I study this or should I study this? Should I study this? Should I
568:46 this? Should I study this? Should I study that? And Forest is right in
568:48 study that? And Forest is right in advising you that anytime you can
568:50 advising you that anytime you can possibly merge two fields together,
568:52 possibly merge two fields together, that's what you should do. And not just
568:54 that's what you should do. And not just because it's fascinating and interesting
568:56 because it's fascinating and interesting and potentially innovative, which is in
568:58 and potentially innovative, which is in and of itself vital in academia right
569:00 and of itself vital in academia right now where everybody it's so easy to
569:02 now where everybody it's so easy to sequester yourself away in your your own
569:04 sequester yourself away in your your own discipline. We need collaboration and we
569:07 discipline. We need collaboration and we need overlap in fields and and the
569:09 need overlap in fields and and the opposite of specialization more than
569:10 opposite of specialization more than ever. But it also makes you more
569:14 ever. But it also makes you more employable, which is in and of itself
569:16 employable, which is in and of itself also a really important part of academia
569:17 also a really important part of academia that I think a lot of people miss. You
569:20 that I think a lot of people miss. You need to be employable. And the more the
569:22 need to be employable. And the more the more areas that you get yourself trained
569:24 more areas that you get yourself trained in, the more exposure you have to
569:25 in, the more exposure you have to different fields, the more employable
569:27 different fields, the more employable you are, the more interesting you are,
569:28 you are, the more interesting you are, the more fascinated you are by the areas
569:30 the more fascinated you are by the areas that you're exposed to, and the better
569:32 that you're exposed to, and the better time you'll have. It's going to be hard.
569:34 time you'll have. It's going to be hard. That's academia for you. Um, but but you
569:37 That's academia for you. Um, but but you will never ever be bored.
569:41 will never ever be bored. Yeah, I would say there there's a big
569:43 Yeah, I would say there there's a big push right now between um what we there
569:46 push right now between um what we there there's people who are
569:48 there's people who are interdisciplinary. So you're like
569:50 interdisciplinary. So you're like reaching across and pulling a little bit
569:52 reaching across and pulling a little bit of information from different
569:53 of information from different disciplines. Um and but you're you kind
569:56 disciplines. Um and but you're you kind of have still like a goal in mind from
569:58 of have still like a goal in mind from one of them. You're just kind of
569:59 one of them. You're just kind of touching as things. And then the big
570:01 touching as things. And then the big push right now is transdisciplinary. Um
570:04 push right now is transdisciplinary. Um where you're not just you know picking a
570:06 where you're not just you know picking a little bit from everything. they're
570:07 little bit from everything. they're actually collaborating between these
570:08 actually collaborating between these different disciplines to create a
570:10 different disciplines to create a totally new thing. Um, that's a big a
570:14 totally new thing. Um, that's a big a big thing right now in a lot of
570:15 big thing right now in a lot of academia, transdisciplinary
570:17 academia, transdisciplinary um research and and and whatnot. So, uh,
570:20 um research and and and whatnot. So, uh, me personally, I'm an integrative
570:22 me personally, I'm an integrative biologist. That is the I don't usually
570:24 biologist. That is the I don't usually say this out loud because people don't
570:26 say this out loud because people don't know what I'm talking about. The best
570:27 know what I'm talking about. The best way to describe my field is integrative
570:30 way to describe my field is integrative biology. It's what I got my bachelor's
570:32 biology. It's what I got my bachelor's in and it's what I've continued on. Even
570:34 in and it's what I've continued on. Even though I've specialized through grad
570:35 though I've specialized through grad school, I'm jumping all hook and over
570:37 school, I'm jumping all hook and over the place. Integrative biology is when
570:39 the place. Integrative biology is when you take a really big broad approach to
570:42 you take a really big broad approach to biology and you don't just study
570:44 biology and you don't just study biology, you touch physics and you touch
570:45 biology, you touch physics and you touch chemistry and you touch astronomy and
570:47 chemistry and you touch astronomy and you touch everywhere else. And when you
570:48 you touch everywhere else. And when you do biology, it's parasites and it's
570:51 do biology, it's parasites and it's organic chemistry and it's physiology
570:53 organic chemistry and it's physiology and it's pathology and it's entomology
570:56 and it's pathology and it's entomology and it's limnology and it's ichthyology
570:58 and it's limnology and it's ichthyology and it's all this weird [ __ ] to try to
571:00 and it's all this weird [ __ ] to try to get as broad of a picture of you as you
571:03 get as broad of a picture of you as you possibly can. And the sacrifice is you
571:05 possibly can. And the sacrifice is you never really get super super
571:07 never really get super super specialized. You never are able to like
571:09 specialized. You never are able to like play with the really really big guys
571:11 play with the really really big guys about super intimate details of a thing.
571:13 about super intimate details of a thing. But the benefit is, holy [ __ ] it's so
571:16 But the benefit is, holy [ __ ] it's so cool because you see the big picture for
571:18 cool because you see the big picture for a change and it's it's it's you get that
571:20 a change and it's it's it's you get that really big transdisciplinary look of how
571:23 really big transdisciplinary look of how life as a whole actually works a little
571:26 life as a whole actually works a little bit. Um, so my bachelor's was
571:29 bit. Um, so my bachelor's was integrative bio and then throughout grad
571:31 integrative bio and then throughout grad school I did some work in anthropology
571:34 school I did some work in anthropology and then I focused on evolution for a
571:36 and then I focused on evolution for a lot a little while and then I focused on
571:38 lot a little while and then I focused on isotope chemistry for a little while and
571:39 isotope chemistry for a little while and then I focused on human anatomy for a
571:41 then I focused on human anatomy for a little while and then I worked on
571:42 little while and then I worked on paleontology for a little while and then
571:44 paleontology for a little while and then I worked on like developmental biology
571:46 I worked on like developmental biology for a little while and right now I'm
571:48 for a little while and right now I'm doing [ __ ] molecular biology and
571:50 doing [ __ ] molecular biology and touching into psychology at this moment.
571:52 touching into psychology at this moment. So, like it's so [ __ ] satisfying
571:55 So, like it's so [ __ ] satisfying intellectually to not be locked down and
571:58 intellectually to not be locked down and just bogged into one thing, but to jump
572:00 just bogged into one thing, but to jump from place to place to place. That is an
572:02 from place to place to place. That is an option for you and you should try it
572:03 option for you and you should try it out. And like Erica said, do not ever at
572:06 out. And like Erica said, do not ever at any point say, "All right, well, this is
572:07 any point say, "All right, well, this is what I'm doing forever." Because I
572:09 what I'm doing forever." Because I promise you, if you are curious enough,
572:11 promise you, if you are curious enough, you will prove yourself wrong. I'll I'll
572:14 you will prove yourself wrong. I'll I'll offer sort of the I don't know that I'm
572:16 offer sort of the I don't know that I'm exactly the opposite perspective as you
572:18 exactly the opposite perspective as you are Forest on like or not perspective
572:20 are Forest on like or not perspective but the opposite pathways you took
572:21 but the opposite pathways you took because I've I've specialized pretty
572:23 because I've I've specialized pretty hard. I mean I what I study Cyrus is I
572:26 hard. I mean I what I study Cyrus is I study the sexual dimmorphism of K9 teeth
572:29 study the sexual dimmorphism of K9 teeth in my apes. It's pretty I'm a paleop
572:33 in my apes. It's pretty I'm a paleop pimeatlogist, but to get to that point,
572:35 pimeatlogist, but to get to that point, yeah, to get to that point, I had to
572:36 yeah, to get to that point, I had to pass through a gazillion different hoops
572:39 pass through a gazillion different hoops that gave me opportunities to learn
572:41 that gave me opportunities to learn fairly in depth about the degrees that
572:43 fairly in depth about the degrees that came before me. So, I started with a
572:44 came before me. So, I started with a broad approach. I was I was prevet,
572:46 broad approach. I was I was prevet, right? So, I I took all the stupid
572:48 right? So, I I took all the stupid irritating chemistry and physics and
572:50 irritating chemistry and physics and microbio classes that you have to take
572:52 microbio classes that you have to take in order to be a veterinarian. Then, I
572:54 in order to be a veterinarian. Then, I pivoted and got my master's degree in
572:55 pivoted and got my master's degree in primate biology, behavior, and
572:56 primate biology, behavior, and conservation. So, I was a behavioral
572:58 conservation. So, I was a behavioral ecologist. That was what I was poised to
573:00 ecologist. That was what I was poised to be was a behavioral ecologist. I my uh
573:03 be was a behavioral ecologist. I my uh master's thesis was supposed to be on um
573:06 master's thesis was supposed to be on um dorphic behavior in macak and mistrano
573:08 dorphic behavior in macak and mistrano or northern pigtailed macaks. I was
573:10 or northern pigtailed macaks. I was looking at spite behavior in particular
573:12 looking at spite behavior in particular and how game theory played into that.
573:13 and how game theory played into that. But co happened and so I pivoted and and
573:15 But co happened and so I pivoted and and started learning about teeth um and
573:17 started learning about teeth um and sexual dimmorphism and canine teeth
573:18 sexual dimmorphism and canine teeth which are the the most dorphic tooth in
573:20 which are the the most dorphic tooth in primates. And then that's how I got into
573:22 primates. And then that's how I got into studying my apes after treachering or
573:25 studying my apes after treachering or excuse me trudging through the
573:27 excuse me trudging through the treacherous pathway of hominins and and
573:30 treacherous pathway of hominins and and primate evolution in general on either
573:31 primate evolution in general on either side homing in on my seene apes. And so
573:34 side homing in on my seene apes. And so what I'll tell you about that pathway is
573:37 what I'll tell you about that pathway is it's really cool because you get to go
573:39 it's really cool because you get to go really in depth on one topic that you
573:41 really in depth on one topic that you really really like and the perk of that
573:42 really really like and the perk of that is you get to be an expert on that
573:45 is you get to be an expert on that topic. Um, there are probably six
573:48 topic. Um, there are probably six experts in the world on measine apes and
573:50 experts in the world on measine apes and I would count myself as a rising version
573:53 I would count myself as a rising version of one of those. So that's really cool,
573:55 of one of those. So that's really cool, >> but I lack the ability that Forest has
573:57 >> but I lack the ability that Forest has to be able to say, okay, you know,
573:59 to be able to say, okay, you know, here's how the biochemistry plays into
574:00 here's how the biochemistry plays into that. And here's the physics. I couldn't
574:02 that. And here's the physics. I couldn't tell you the the I couldn't give you a
574:04 tell you the the I couldn't give you a single physics equation. I could give
574:05 single physics equation. I could give you the quadratic formula and that's the
574:07 you the quadratic formula and that's the only that's the only formula or equation
574:09 only that's the only formula or equation I could give to you. But I've been
574:12 I could give to you. But I've been afforded some really incredible
574:13 afforded some really incredible opportunities being in the
574:15 opportunities being in the specialization that I'm in. Right?
574:17 specialization that I'm in. Right? Because there are so few people who
574:19 Because there are so few people who study what I study. I've gotten to go
574:20 study what I study. I've gotten to go put my hands on fossils that very few
574:22 put my hands on fossils that very few people have gotten to touch. So there's
574:23 people have gotten to touch. So there's pros and there's cons to each of these
574:25 pros and there's cons to each of these approaches. And you don't have to pick
574:27 approaches. And you don't have to pick right away. That's the wonderful part
574:28 right away. That's the wonderful part about your academic journey. I envy you
574:31 about your academic journey. I envy you in a lot of ways because being at the
574:32 in a lot of ways because being at the start of it is simultaneously exciting
574:34 start of it is simultaneously exciting and dreadful. Um and you know it's a
574:37 and dreadful. Um and you know it's a hell of a time to be doing that. Luckily
574:38 hell of a time to be doing that. Luckily doesn't sound like you're in the United
574:39 doesn't sound like you're in the United States. you'll have an easier go of it
574:41 States. you'll have an easier go of it than us.
574:42 than us. >> But I think you can summarize the advice
574:44 >> But I think you can summarize the advice that Force and I were giving to you is
574:46 that Force and I were giving to you is is keep an open mind. Do not pigeon hole
574:48 is keep an open mind. Do not pigeon hole yourself into anything. Not that you
574:50 yourself into anything. Not that you could if you wanted to, right? But but
574:51 could if you wanted to, right? But but try to to keep that in mind as you move
574:53 try to to keep that in mind as you move forward. Take classes that you find
574:55 forward. Take classes that you find interesting. Um I would say as early as
574:58 interesting. Um I would say as early as possible, network, network, network,
575:00 possible, network, network, network, network, network with people, right? Get
575:02 network, network with people, right? Get opportunities to work in labs, pick up
575:04 opportunities to work in labs, pick up odd jobs helping professors out wherever
575:06 odd jobs helping professors out wherever you go. And that'll help you discover
575:08 you go. And that'll help you discover what you really enjoy and what you're
575:10 what you really enjoy and what you're really passionate about and what you
575:11 really passionate about and what you really want to spend your time um adding
575:14 really want to spend your time um adding to the bubble of knowledge, right? Like
575:16 to the bubble of knowledge, right? Like because we we all as scientists, we get
575:18 because we we all as scientists, we get to add a little bit and this is a stupid
575:20 to add a little bit and this is a stupid analogy that I'm taking from my one of
575:22 analogy that I'm taking from my one of my committee members, but it's like you
575:23 my committee members, but it's like you got this big bubble of human knowledge
575:25 got this big bubble of human knowledge and it floats above the entirety of the
575:27 and it floats above the entirety of the species and every scientist gets to take
575:29 species and every scientist gets to take their little piece of of of work, their
575:32 their little piece of of of work, their life's work, and commit it to the bubble
575:34 life's work, and commit it to the bubble and add it. and the bubble grows a
575:35 and add it. and the bubble grows a little bit bigger and it never shrinks.
575:38 little bit bigger and it never shrinks. It stays that big and it grows and it
575:39 It stays that big and it grows and it grows and it grows and everybody takes
575:41 grows and it grows and everybody takes from the bubble and everybody gives back
575:42 from the bubble and everybody gives back to the bubble and it's it's a wonderful
575:44 to the bubble and it's it's a wonderful wonderful thing to be a part of. So just
575:46 wonderful thing to be a part of. So just make sure that whatever you're
575:47 make sure that whatever you're contributing you're you're passionate
575:48 contributing you're you're passionate about and and that'll keep you going
575:51 about and and that'll keep you going >> and the bubble is the monad.
575:53 >> and the bubble is the monad. >> Well, here's the reason.
575:57 >> Well, here's the reason. >> I I want to study like forbidden
575:59 >> I I want to study like forbidden knowledge, you know, higher level of
576:01 knowledge, you know, higher level of like a lot of
576:05 like a lot of I want to do science communication a lot
576:08 I want to do science communication a lot like you guys and Milo Rossi and uh you
576:12 like you guys and Milo Rossi and uh you know all of the other people out on the
576:14 know all of the other people out on the internet doing the good honest work of
576:17 internet doing the good honest work of spreading you know science and the
576:19 spreading you know science and the scientific method and all of these
576:21 scientific method and all of these things. So really what I'm getting from
576:24 things. So really what I'm getting from what you guys are saying is that if I
576:26 what you guys are saying is that if I really want to do that, the best thing
576:28 really want to do that, the best thing to do would be to not pick something
576:30 to do would be to not pick something super specific cuz a broader basic
576:33 super specific cuz a broader basic understanding is better to teach a
576:36 understanding is better to teach a broader basic audience.
576:38 broader basic audience. So if I'm able to if if someone asks me
576:41 So if I'm able to if if someone asks me a question about physics and someone
576:43 a question about physics and someone else asks me about biology and someone
576:45 else asks me about biology and someone ask someone asks me about paleontology
576:47 ask someone asks me about paleontology and you know whatever having a basic
576:49 and you know whatever having a basic understanding in all of those things
576:51 understanding in all of those things would be better than having a very
576:53 would be better than having a very specific understanding. So I suppose
576:55 specific understanding. So I suppose that
576:56 that >> yes, yes and no. Yes and no. Because the
576:58 >> yes, yes and no. Yes and no. Because the sacrifice there is if you if you if
577:01 sacrifice there is if you if you if someone asks you a physics question and
577:03 someone asks you a physics question and you answer it at an undergraduate level
577:06 you answer it at an undergraduate level and you like give an undergraduate
577:07 and you like give an undergraduate understanding into your
577:09 understanding into your >> you're going to miss some [ __ ] that a
577:11 >> you're going to miss some [ __ ] that a graduate physics student would be able
577:12 graduate physics student would be able to catch and say, "Hey, actually it's a
577:14 to catch and say, "Hey, actually it's a little bit more complicated than that."
577:15 little bit more complicated than that." And you're making a mistake that any
577:17 And you're making a mistake that any undergraduate would make, which means
577:18 undergraduate would make, which means you're actually lackluster as a
577:20 you're actually lackluster as a communicator there. Meanwhile, yes, you
577:22 communicator there. Meanwhile, yes, you get a lot more broad diversity, which
577:24 get a lot more broad diversity, which means you get to catch wider net, but if
577:26 means you get to catch wider net, but if you're not able to be honest about where
577:28 you're not able to be honest about where your expertise lies and your head of
577:29 your expertise lies and your head of hitting everywhere, then you're going to
577:31 hitting everywhere, then you're going to miss a lot of [ __ ] So, just like
577:32 miss a lot of [ __ ] So, just like there's good and bad to all of that. If
577:34 there's good and bad to all of that. If you want to be a communicator that some
577:36 you want to be a communicator that some of the best science communicators out
577:37 of the best science communicators out there,
577:39 there, >> there there are great science
577:40 >> there there are great science communicators out there that are PhDs in
577:43 communicators out there that are PhDs in their field and they talk about the
577:45 their field and they talk about the thing that they know. And there are
577:47 thing that they know. And there are other great science communicators out
577:48 other great science communicators out there that are generalists that like we
577:50 there that are generalists that like we talked about earlier are constantly
577:52 talked about earlier are constantly asking other people for input. So the
577:54 asking other people for input. So the key is just always always always
577:56 key is just always always always fact-checking yourself,
577:57 fact-checking yourself, >> right?
577:57 >> right? >> I I think the most I mean if you want to
578:00 >> I I think the most I mean if you want to be a science communicator, this is a
578:02 be a science communicator, this is a different conversation because well it's
578:03 different conversation because well it's not a different conversation, but it it
578:05 not a different conversation, but it it sort of skews in a different way.
578:07 sort of skews in a different way. >> The most important thing if you want to
578:09 >> The most important thing if you want to be a successful science communicator is
578:11 be a successful science communicator is you got to love what you're talking
578:13 you got to love what you're talking about. If that's everything, cast the
578:15 about. If that's everything, cast the broad net. If it's specific, keep it
578:18 broad net. If it's specific, keep it tight, right? I mean, I I I made a video
578:21 tight, right? I mean, I I I made a video last week about one paper about this
578:26 last week about one paper about this interesting mutation that changed the
578:28 interesting mutation that changed the orientation of the human ilia or of the
578:30 orientation of the human ilia or of the ilia, the ilial growth plate in
578:33 ilia, the ilial growth plate in ancestral hominids and how that
578:35 ancestral hominids and how that >> deres okay, you know what I'm talking
578:36 >> deres okay, you know what I'm talking about. And that's how you derive the
578:38 about. And that's how you derive the sagittal orientation and the short broad
578:40 sagittal orientation and the short broad ilium as compared to the tall sagittal
578:43 ilium as compared to the tall sagittal orientation that you see in a
578:44 orientation that you see in a chimpanzeee. Okay, that is about as
578:46 chimpanzeee. Okay, that is about as specific as it gets. I sat there and
578:48 specific as it gets. I sat there and read well I gave a background and then I
578:50 read well I gave a background and then I sat there and read through a paper,
578:51 sat there and read through a paper, right? But there's a niche for that. If
578:53 right? But there's a niche for that. If you like what you're talking about,
578:55 you like what you're talking about, people will like to hear about it. I
578:57 people will like to hear about it. I when I pick science communicators who I
578:59 when I pick science communicators who I watch because if you're worth your salt,
579:01 watch because if you're worth your salt, if you're a science communicator, you
579:02 if you're a science communicator, you watch other science communicators
579:03 watch other science communicators because you can pick up cool ways of of
579:06 because you can pick up cool ways of of explaining things. You can pick up new
579:07 explaining things. You can pick up new arguments, you can pick up all sorts of
579:08 arguments, you can pick up all sorts of stuff. It's a very symbiotic
579:10 stuff. It's a very symbiotic relationship. I would say that the
579:12 relationship. I would say that the community of of science communication.
579:14 community of of science communication. Um, but the people who I watch, the one
579:18 Um, but the people who I watch, the one thing they all have in common is that
579:19 thing they all have in common is that they love what they talk about. And you
579:22 they love what they talk about. And you can tell you you can tell if you love
579:25 can tell you you can tell if you love what you're talking about and you know
579:27 what you're talking about and you know it, it doesn't matter if you're casting
579:29 it, it doesn't matter if you're casting a broad net or a tight net, you'll be
579:32 a broad net or a tight net, you'll be successful. Um, that's that's my opinion
579:35 successful. Um, that's that's my opinion on it, right? Maybe that's maybe that's
579:38 on it, right? Maybe that's maybe that's wrong, but that's I I think I think it
579:40 wrong, but that's I I think I think it holds.
579:46 >> I mean, I'm going to take away from this what I think is, you know, applies to me
579:48 what I think is, you know, applies to me the best. Um, so you can't really say
579:52 the best. Um, so you can't really say something wrong because I'll I'll just
579:54 something wrong because I'll I'll just extract the best I can from what you're
579:56 extract the best I can from what you're saying. So like but I have a series of
580:01 saying. So like but I have a series of questions that are biology related or
580:05 questions that are biology related or uh you know things of the sorts.
580:09 uh you know things of the sorts. Um is it okay if I go through this list
580:11 Um is it okay if I go through this list that I'm trying to make shorter now um
580:14 that I'm trying to make shorter now um and ask you guys some of these questions
580:16 and ask you guys some of these questions Erica is going to really like? I can
580:18 Erica is going to really like? I can start with the questions Erica's going
580:19 start with the questions Erica's going to really like and then with the dumb
580:21 to really like and then with the dumb questions last or I can start dumb
580:22 questions last or I can start dumb questions first. And because I I Forest,
580:26 questions first. And because I I Forest, no offense, but I haven't been watching
580:27 no offense, but I haven't been watching you for long enough to know what would
580:28 you for long enough to know what would get you excited, but it seems anything
580:31 get you excited, but it seems anything will.
580:33 will. >> It's most things. It's most things. I
580:34 >> It's most things. It's most things. I don't know how if we have time for the
580:36 don't know how if we have time for the whole list, but we have time for a few
580:37 whole list, but we have time for a few of them. So, let's let's take some.
580:40 of them. So, let's let's take some. >> Sure. Okay. Well, then I'll start with
580:42 >> Sure. Okay. Well, then I'll start with the uh like with the one that's you
580:46 the uh like with the one that's you know, what are spider monkeys? I
580:49 know, what are spider monkeys? I searched them up broadly, but I'm really
580:51 searched them up broadly, but I'm really confused on what they are because they
580:53 confused on what they are because they sort of look like humans, but from what
580:54 sort of look like humans, but from what I'm understanding, they're not even
580:56 I'm understanding, they're not even closely related to us. Or are they?
580:58 closely related to us. Or are they? >> Spider spider monkeys without thumbs.
581:01 >> Spider spider monkeys without thumbs. Y'all
581:01 Y'all >> are spider monkeys.
581:02 >> are spider monkeys. >> This is a phenomenal question. So
581:05 >> This is a phenomenal question. So monkeys in general, monkeys and apes,
581:07 monkeys in general, monkeys and apes, can both fit into two primary
581:09 can both fit into two primary categories. All monkeys and apes fall
581:11 categories. All monkeys and apes fall into a group called the anthropoids. And
581:12 into a group called the anthropoids. And then the anthropoid splits into two
581:14 then the anthropoid splits into two subgroups. You have the platinine
581:16 subgroups. You have the platinine monkeys or the flat-nosed monkeys that
581:18 monkeys or the flat-nosed monkeys that have their nostrils spled out to the
581:19 have their nostrils spled out to the side. These guys live in Central and
581:21 side. These guys live in Central and South America and we usually
581:23 South America and we usually traditionally I should say call them the
581:24 traditionally I should say call them the the new world monkeys. This is going to
581:26 the new world monkeys. This is going to be everything you can find in Mexico and
581:29 be everything you can find in Mexico and in in Brazil and in Chile and all of
581:32 in in Brazil and in Chile and all of these places. They're all monkeys. All
581:35 these places. They're all monkeys. All of them. There is narape among them. The
581:37 of them. There is narape among them. The other side of the coin is the catarine
581:40 other side of the coin is the catarine or oldw world monkeys. This includes
581:42 or oldw world monkeys. This includes humans,
581:44 humans, >> right? includes critters like baboons
581:46 >> right? includes critters like baboons and macaks and gwinins um and langers
581:49 and macaks and gwinins um and langers and some of those monkeys all of those
581:51 and some of those monkeys all of those kinds of guys. That split occurred about
581:55 kinds of guys. That split occurred about 30 35 million years ago. A really really
581:58 30 35 million years ago. A really really long time. Humans split from chimps 7
582:00 long time. Humans split from chimps 7 million years ago but platterines and
582:01 million years ago but platterines and catarines split about let's say let's
582:03 catarines split about let's say let's call it let's call it 25 to 30 million
582:06 call it let's call it 25 to 30 million years ago. 25 to 35 let's go with that.
582:08 years ago. 25 to 35 let's go with that. Um, and the way that this happens is is
582:11 Um, and the way that this happens is is a critter called Proteopythecus, a
582:13 a critter called Proteopythecus, a member of Proteopi, manages to make it
582:15 member of Proteopi, manages to make it over to Central and South America. Once
582:17 over to Central and South America. Once it gets over there, it diversifies into
582:18 it gets over there, it diversifies into all of the new world monkeys or the
582:20 all of the new world monkeys or the platterines, and they're all really,
582:21 platterines, and they're all really, really interesting and weird and unique
582:23 really interesting and weird and unique ways. You have super loud howler monkeys
582:24 ways. You have super loud howler monkeys that are some of the loudest critters on
582:25 that are some of the loudest critters on the planet. You have the weird owl
582:27 the planet. You have the weird owl monkeys, which have almost converged on
582:29 monkeys, which have almost converged on an owl-like niche. You have the the
582:31 an owl-like niche. You have the the tamarind and the marmicetses who are
582:33 tamarind and the marmicetses who are polyandras. one female will mate with
582:35 polyandras. one female will mate with multiple males and oftentimes have
582:37 multiple males and oftentimes have babies uh in twins in pairs. Um they
582:40 babies uh in twins in pairs. Um they they twin a lot. You have the the
582:42 they twin a lot. You have the the calatric or not the calatric, it's the
582:44 calatric or not the calatric, it's the um the calisebus members of pytheia day
582:46 um the calisebus members of pytheia day who have these weird laterally flaring
582:48 who have these weird laterally flaring canines that they used to pierce and
582:50 canines that they used to pierce and then husk fruits. And then you've got
582:51 then husk fruits. And then you've got squirrel monkeys and and um capac
582:53 squirrel monkeys and and um capac monkeys who are like really brilliant
582:55 monkeys who are like really brilliant especially capacins. They are so so
582:57 especially capacins. They are so so smart. like they their incilization
582:59 smart. like they their incilization quotient is about that of chimpanzees
583:01 quotient is about that of chimpanzees which that is to say their their brain
583:03 which that is to say their their brain to body size ratio is is similar to
583:05 to body size ratio is is similar to chimps not as big absolute brain size
583:07 chimps not as big absolute brain size but big relative brain size so where do
583:10 but big relative brain size so where do spider monkeys fall in spider monkeys
583:11 spider monkeys fall in spider monkeys fall in with with the family called
583:14 fall in with with the family called they're members of a genus called ailles
583:17 they're members of a genus called ailles >> and they've basically converged with
583:19 >> and they've basically converged with gibbons on this below branch brachiation
583:23 gibbons on this below branch brachiation style of moving so they'll hang below
583:24 style of moving so they'll hang below the branches and they'll go arm over arm
583:26 the branches and they'll go arm over arm relatively slowly as they move through
583:28 relatively slowly as they move through the trees and then they use their tail
583:30 the trees and then they use their tail as a fifth limb. And what that means, as
583:32 as a fifth limb. And what that means, as Forest alluded to earlier, is that
583:34 Forest alluded to earlier, is that they've lost their thumbs. Usually
583:36 they've lost their thumbs. Usually thumbs go away when you've got a better
583:38 thumbs go away when you've got a better means of getting around in the trees um
583:40 means of getting around in the trees um because you don't need grip strength,
583:41 because you don't need grip strength, right? Uh they either weaken or they
583:43 right? Uh they either weaken or they disappear entirely, as we see with
583:44 disappear entirely, as we see with spider monkeys. So, the reason spider
583:46 spider monkeys. So, the reason spider monkeys look so human is because of the
583:48 monkeys look so human is because of the way they move. It's really similar to
583:50 way they move. It's really similar to how gibbons move, which is to say
583:52 how gibbons move, which is to say upright and under the trees. So their
583:54 upright and under the trees. So their morphology or physical characteristics
583:56 morphology or physical characteristics has converged on this upright mode of
583:59 has converged on this upright mode of moving which is similar but not
584:01 moving which is similar but not identical to bipedalism and that they
584:03 identical to bipedalism and that they hold their body uh upright, their f and
584:04 hold their body uh upright, their f and magnum is tucked forward. They have
584:06 magnum is tucked forward. They have these big globular brain cases, pretty
584:08 these big globular brain cases, pretty short faces, things of that nature. So
584:11 short faces, things of that nature. So the reason why they look human has
584:13 the reason why they look human has nothing to do with their common ancestor
584:15 nothing to do with their common ancestor um with us. Not really because
584:17 um with us. Not really because proteopythecus was not particularly
584:19 proteopythecus was not particularly monkeylike. It was very basil, but it's
584:22 monkeylike. It was very basil, but it's actually convergence with gimbons who
584:23 actually convergence with gimbons who look really like us because they are
584:25 look really like us because they are closely related to us. Um, it's a very
584:28 closely related to us. Um, it's a very cool story. Does that answer your
584:29 cool story. Does that answer your question?
584:29 question? >> Right.
584:31 >> Right. >> And by the way, what what a minute ago
584:34 >> And by the way, what what a minute ago >> a minute ago when when she was talking
584:36 >> a minute ago when when she was talking about how like being a specialist like
584:39 about how like being a specialist like her or a general generalist like me is
584:41 her or a general generalist like me is going to bring different things. I could
584:43 going to bring different things. I could never [ __ ] do that. I could never
584:45 never [ __ ] do that. I could never give you that detailed and and super
584:48 give you that detailed and and super specific [ __ ] answer. But what I can
584:50 specific [ __ ] answer. But what I can do is give you some totally [ __ ] auto
584:53 do is give you some totally [ __ ] auto left field [ __ ] in terms of
584:55 left field [ __ ] in terms of evolutionary development. The thumb is
584:58 evolutionary development. The thumb is usually when digits are lost, the
585:00 usually when digits are lost, the thumb's the first one to go. So like the
585:02 thumb's the first one to go. So like the fact that they lost that one is super
585:04 fact that they lost that one is super expected and something we see as a
585:06 expected and something we see as a pattern across many different species
585:08 pattern across many different species and actually tells us quite a bit about
585:10 and actually tells us quite a bit about birds and how their [ __ ] uh uh in
585:13 birds and how their [ __ ] uh uh in dinosaurs and birds, they have three
585:16 dinosaurs and birds, they have three [ __ ] fingers on the claw. That's
585:18 [ __ ] fingers on the claw. That's actually these three fingers that are
585:20 actually these three fingers that are shaped like these three fingers cuz the
585:21 shaped like these three fingers cuz the developmental field shifted over and
585:23 developmental field shifted over and that's what we see in these guys as
585:24 that's what we see in these guys as well. So like
585:26 well. So like >> that [ __ ] you got just learn whatever
585:28 >> that [ __ ] you got just learn whatever the [ __ ] makes you smile, dude. That's
585:30 the [ __ ] makes you smile, dude. That's the whole thing.
585:31 the whole thing. >> I see. I couldn't tell you that. I I did
585:32 >> I see. I couldn't tell you that. I I did not know that. I feel like
585:35 not know that. I feel like >> that'd be a good guess. I feel like if
585:36 >> that'd be a good guess. I feel like if you asked me which digit is most likely
585:38 you asked me which digit is most likely to be lost, I'd probably would say thumb
585:40 to be lost, I'd probably would say thumb or pinky, but I wouldn't I wouldn't know
585:42 or pinky, but I wouldn't I wouldn't know that it was typically thumb
585:44 that it was typically thumb >> across the board. It's thumb first and
585:45 >> across the board. It's thumb first and then Pinky as a matter of fact.
585:47 then Pinky as a matter of fact. >> Okay, there you go. There you go. Cool.
585:53 >> Anyway, Cyrus, its are really cool. >> So,
585:54 >> So, >> um, they're neat critters.
585:57 >> um, they're neat critters. >> Also,
585:59 >> Also, >> I would agree.
586:00 >> I would agree. >> Are also in their family. So, it's like
586:02 >> Are also in their family. So, it's like the whole of Ital
586:07 >> also >> Dustin in the chat. Uh, good to see you,
586:10 >> Dustin in the chat. Uh, good to see you, dude. Uh, out of left field [ __ ] is
586:12 dude. Uh, out of left field [ __ ] is for his specialty. You're absolutely
586:14 for his specialty. You're absolutely correct.
586:15 correct. >> Yes, Cyrus, ask your additional
586:17 >> Yes, Cyrus, ask your additional question. I will answer it fast so Ardan
586:18 question. I will answer it fast so Ardan doesn't flame me later.
586:21 doesn't flame me later. >> So, this this is my very last one. I'll
586:24 >> So, this this is my very last one. I'll end it here.
586:27 end it here. >> Um, so I've made it like a habit or or a
586:31 >> Um, so I've made it like a habit or or a >> I I don't know what I'd call it except a
586:32 >> I I don't know what I'd call it except a habit, but to go in Discord servers and
586:34 habit, but to go in Discord servers and argue with uh creationists or science
586:38 argue with uh creationists or science deniers and give my best argument
586:40 deniers and give my best argument against what they say. And I I have
586:43 against what they say. And I I have recordings that are like threeish hours
586:46 recordings that are like threeish hours long of me just arguing with people from
586:50 long of me just arguing with people from Christianity, Islam, it's anyway, a ton
586:52 Christianity, Islam, it's anyway, a ton of things. And obviously making a
586:54 of things. And obviously making a YouTube channel or any social media for
586:57 YouTube channel or any social media for that matter and make it also be
586:59 that matter and make it also be successful is very difficult.
587:02 successful is very difficult. Would it be if I if I cut down these
587:05 Would it be if I if I cut down these debates I have with people and post them
587:07 debates I have with people and post them online,
587:09 online, would that be a problem? because I can't
587:11 would that be a problem? because I can't do my due diligence while yelling at
587:13 do my due diligence while yelling at someone while they're also yelling at me
587:15 someone while they're also yelling at me and typically swearing at me in Arabic.
587:17 and typically swearing at me in Arabic. >> Um, so,
587:20 >> Um, so, >> you know, I would feel bad to post it,
587:22 >> you know, I would feel bad to post it, but also I feel like I bring up some
587:24 but also I feel like I bring up some good points.
587:25 good points. >> So, how it post it and
587:28 >> So, how it post it and >> bad science communication,
587:30 >> bad science communication, >> post it with the stipulation that it's a
587:33 >> post it with the stipulation that it's a debate, right? Put a little intro of
587:34 debate, right? Put a little intro of yourself explaining what you just
587:36 yourself explaining what you just explained to us at the beginning. Um, or
587:38 explained to us at the beginning. Um, or if you're feeling really uh intrepid,
587:41 if you're feeling really uh intrepid, what you can do is you could cut it up
587:43 what you can do is you could cut it up and every time that you would have said
587:45 and every time that you would have said something different, you can come back
587:46 something different, you can come back and say, "Hey, here's what I would add
587:48 and say, "Hey, here's what I would add or I looked this up later and it's
587:50 or I looked this up later and it's actually what I said is true and also
587:52 actually what I said is true and also ABC." Um, and also they were wrong
587:55 ABC." Um, and also they were wrong because XYZ. You can slice it up and
587:57 because XYZ. You can slice it up and sort of do a walkthrough debate. I've
587:59 sort of do a walkthrough debate. I've done a couple of those on my channel.
588:00 done a couple of those on my channel. And people actually kind of like
588:02 And people actually kind of like walkthrough debates, I think, because it
588:04 walkthrough debates, I think, because it it feels more like a like a low stakes
588:06 it feels more like a like a low stakes conversation. I think that people can
588:08 conversation. I think that people can relax a lot more when they're listening
588:09 relax a lot more when they're listening to it. Um, so no, I I think you can
588:11 to it. Um, so no, I I think you can certainly
588:13 certainly >> it's also a good opportunity to go back
588:15 >> it's also a good opportunity to go back and correct yourself and like learn how
588:16 and correct yourself and like learn how to do better. Like I I can't tell you
588:18 to do better. Like I I can't tell you like I do this show or shows like this
588:20 like I do this show or shows like this every [ __ ] week and I still go back
588:22 every [ __ ] week and I still go back and rewatch some things like I should
588:24 and rewatch some things like I should have done this. I had a call a little
588:26 have done this. I had a call a little while ago, some [ __ ] doofus called in
588:29 while ago, some [ __ ] doofus called in to tell me that evolution is impossible
588:31 to tell me that evolution is impossible because by definition uh species can't
588:34 because by definition uh species can't interbreed. And the definition of
588:36 interbreed. And the definition of species is that two things can't
588:38 species is that two things can't interbreed to produce fertile offspring.
588:40 interbreed to produce fertile offspring. And therefore, you can never make a new
588:41 And therefore, you can never make a new species from one species to another
588:43 species from one species to another because they could never interbreed
588:45 because they could never interbreed because and you and you would never be
588:46 because and you and you would never be able to have children. If there's a if
588:48 able to have children. If there's a if this thing gives birth to a new species,
588:50 this thing gives birth to a new species, then they can. And I'm like, hey, that's
588:51 then they can. And I'm like, hey, that's not the definition of species. That is a
588:53 not the definition of species. That is a definition. And also, that isn't how
588:55 definition. And also, that isn't how speciation works. And I I spent like I
588:58 speciation works. And I I spent like I can't even tell you how long talking to
588:59 can't even tell you how long talking to this dude and explaining like, hey,
589:00 this dude and explaining like, hey, that's you're getting this wrong. That's
589:02 that's you're getting this wrong. That's not the that's not the only definition.
589:04 not the that's not the only definition. and that's not how evolution works, all
589:06 and that's not how evolution works, all this stuff. And I look back at that call
589:07 this stuff. And I look back at that call and I cringe so [ __ ] hard because I
589:10 and I cringe so [ __ ] hard because I could have just asked, okay, how do you
589:13 could have just asked, okay, how do you tell the difference between two species
589:15 tell the difference between two species of bacteria that don't have sexual
589:17 of bacteria that don't have sexual reproduction? If that's your only
589:19 reproduction? If that's your only definition, how can you tell what two
589:21 definition, how can you tell what two different species of dinosaurs are? if
589:24 different species of dinosaurs are? if that's the only do you like I could have
589:25 that's the only do you like I could have walked him through it in the way that I
589:27 walked him through it in the way that I would have walked a student through it
589:28 would have walked a student through it explaining why the biological species
589:30 explaining why the biological species concept isn't there but instead I just
589:31 concept isn't there but instead I just tried to explain it in a way that I
589:33 tried to explain it in a way that I would explain it in this other way and
589:35 would explain it in this other way and that other way may have worked for
589:37 that other way may have worked for somebody but it didn't work here and so
589:39 somebody but it didn't work here and so now I go back and I think okay so how
589:41 now I go back and I think okay so how could I have done it better right how
589:43 could I have done it better right how could I explain this in this in a third
589:44 could I explain this in this in a third way now if that didn't work what's
589:46 way now if that didn't work what's another way I could have done it and
589:47 another way I could have done it and that makes me better in the next debate
589:49 that makes me better in the next debate so
589:50 so >> like go back and rewatch those clips and
589:52 >> like go back and rewatch those clips and fact yourself and learn from it and do
589:54 fact yourself and learn from it and do better at it next time. What were you
589:56 better at it next time. What were you asking me, Erica?
589:57 asking me, Erica? >> Do you ever listen to Because I I've
589:59 >> Do you ever listen to Because I I've done the same where like I'll listen to
590:00 done the same where like I'll listen to to a clip. Usually someone will say,
590:02 to a clip. Usually someone will say, "Oh, I just watched this video and you
590:04 "Oh, I just watched this video and you said blah blah blah. What did you mean?"
590:05 said blah blah blah. What did you mean?" And then I'll be like, "Well, [ __ ] I
590:06 And then I'll be like, "Well, [ __ ] I don't remember." So, I have to go back
590:07 don't remember." So, I have to go back and watch what I said.
590:08 and watch what I said. >> And it's like sometimes I'll listen to
590:10 >> And it's like sometimes I'll listen to myself and it'll be like in a debate or
590:12 myself and it'll be like in a debate or it'll be like in a conversation like
590:14 it'll be like in a conversation like here on the on the line and someone will
590:16 here on the on the line and someone will say something to me and I'll be like
590:17 say something to me and I'll be like listening to myself and I'm like,
590:19 listening to myself and I'm like, "Please say this. Please, please, please
590:21 "Please say this. Please, please, please say this. Please don't leave this out.
590:24 say this. Please don't leave this out. >> And then sometimes I do remember to say
590:26 >> And then sometimes I do remember to say it and I'm like cha-ching. I would have
590:27 it and I'm like cha-ching. I would have said it exactly the same now. Check. And
590:29 said it exactly the same now. Check. And then sometimes
590:30 then sometimes >> old me breezes right past it and I'm
590:32 >> old me breezes right past it and I'm like you dumb [ __ ] I'm coming.
590:34 like you dumb [ __ ] I'm coming. >> Furious. Furious.
590:36 >> Furious. Furious. >> How could you forget?
590:37 >> How could you forget? >> Exactly.
590:38 >> Exactly. >> You knew this at the time. How could you
590:40 >> You knew this at the time. How could you forget?
590:40 forget? >> [ __ ] flagagillate myself when I get
590:43 >> [ __ ] flagagillate myself when I get home because I'm so mad at myself from 3
590:44 home because I'm so mad at myself from 3 months ago. Yeah, I do that all the
590:46 months ago. Yeah, I do that all the [ __ ] time. All the [ __ ] time. And
590:48 [ __ ] time. All the [ __ ] time. And and like some of what really sucks is
590:50 and like some of what really sucks is when it's a very popular clip. There's a
590:52 when it's a very popular clip. There's a very popular clip of me yelling at this
590:53 very popular clip of me yelling at this guy named Chuck who called in with the
590:55 guy named Chuck who called in with the pronouns attack helicopter and I just
590:57 pronouns attack helicopter and I just laid into him for like 30 minutes about
591:00 laid into him for like 30 minutes about uh what an [ __ ] he was and all this
591:01 uh what an [ __ ] he was and all this different stuff.
591:03 different stuff. >> Would have been cuz I kept explaining
591:05 >> Would have been cuz I kept explaining sex and gender different things and he
591:06 sex and gender different things and he kept telling me I was wrong. Would have
591:08 kept telling me I was wrong. Would have been so much more effective if I had
591:10 been so much more effective if I had brought up examples of gender diverse
591:12 brought up examples of gender diverse cultures or examples of trans people in
591:14 cultures or examples of trans people in history because I mentioned those things
591:16 history because I mentioned those things and he he just flatly denied them and I
591:19 and he he just flatly denied them and I never gave him an example. And now I'm
591:21 never gave him an example. And now I'm looking back at that, I'm like, my
591:22 looking back at that, I'm like, my argument was weaker because I didn't
591:23 argument was weaker because I didn't give an example that I easily [ __ ]
591:25 give an example that I easily [ __ ] could have. And that's a very popular
591:28 could have. And that's a very popular clip and I hate it. And and I I look
591:30 clip and I hate it. And and I I look back at my old dude, my most popular
591:33 back at my old dude, my most popular series on YouTube is Reacteria. I've got
591:36 series on YouTube is Reacteria. I've got three episodes of Reactia that are up
591:37 three episodes of Reactia that are up over a million views. I [ __ ] hate
591:39 over a million views. I [ __ ] hate them because I could have done a better
591:41 them because I could have done a better job and I I would today. So yeah, dude,
591:44 job and I I would today. So yeah, dude, if you if you want to get started,
591:47 if you if you want to get started, >> if you want to get started as a YouTuber
591:49 >> if you want to get started as a YouTuber or content creator or anything like
591:50 or content creator or anything like that, grow a very thick skin and get
591:53 that, grow a very thick skin and get used to correcting yourself and telling
591:54 used to correcting yourself and telling yourself that you're wrong and you'll be
591:56 yourself that you're wrong and you'll be fine. And also look up the one party
591:58 fine. And also look up the one party consent laws around you to make sure
591:59 consent laws around you to make sure you're not recording people without
592:00 you're not recording people without their consent because that'll get you in
592:02 their consent because that'll get you in trouble unless you have the legal
592:03 trouble unless you have the legal authority to do it. Um, but like all
592:05 authority to do it. Um, but like all that aside, yo, just just always be
592:08 that aside, yo, just just always be ready to correct yourself and go back
592:10 ready to correct yourself and go back and and learn from yourself and correct
592:13 and and learn from yourself and correct yourself. And if you want to be a really
592:14 yourself. And if you want to be a really good [ __ ] educator, when you learn
592:16 good [ __ ] educator, when you learn something or when you're ready to teach
592:18 something or when you're ready to teach something, figure out how you would
592:20 something, figure out how you would teach it to a kindergartener and a
592:22 teach it to a kindergartener and a middle schooler and a high schooler and
592:24 middle schooler and a high schooler and a a college peer and somebody who's an
592:27 a a college peer and somebody who's an expert in that field, how you would
592:28 expert in that field, how you would relay it back to them respectfully and
592:31 relay it back to them respectfully and find a way to blend all of those lesson
592:34 find a way to blend all of those lesson plans together as you say it all at the
592:36 plans together as you say it all at the same time so everybody who's listening
592:38 same time so everybody who's listening to you hears it. That's that's the thing
592:40 to you hears it. That's that's the thing that you should work on. It's a trick.
592:41 that you should work on. It's a trick. >> Okay? It's a skill.
592:43 >> Okay? It's a skill. >> You can practice it by like the way that
592:45 >> You can practice it by like the way that I practice it is I'll explain it to my
592:46 I practice it is I'll explain it to my husband or I'll explain it to my mom.
592:48 husband or I'll explain it to my mom. And I I I'm very careful to watch when
592:51 And I I I'm very careful to watch when do their eyes glaze over. When have I
592:52 do their eyes glaze over. When have I said too much? When have I bored them?
592:54 said too much? When have I bored them? When have I not said enough? When was it
592:55 When have I not said enough? When was it unclear? When did when were the
592:57 unclear? When did when were the questions something that I could have
592:58 questions something that I could have had it off in the past if id explained
592:59 had it off in the past if id explained it better? Right? Like there's all these
593:01 it better? Right? Like there's all these little tips of the trade that you can
593:02 little tips of the trade that you can learn. Um because science communication
593:05 learn. Um because science communication is equal parts education as it is like
593:10 is equal parts education as it is like equal parts teaching as it is knowing
593:13 equal parts teaching as it is knowing you. It's not good enough to just know
593:14 you. It's not good enough to just know the material. You have to know how to
593:16 the material. You have to know how to purvey someone else. Um and that takes
593:18 purvey someone else. Um and that takes practice. None of us are perfect at it
593:20 practice. None of us are perfect at it and everybody's always trying to
593:22 and everybody's always trying to improve.
593:23 improve. >> Um
593:24 >> Um anyways, that's all I got.
593:26 anyways, that's all I got. >> Who was it that said this? It was I'm
593:28 >> Who was it that said this? It was I'm looking for this quote. Uh,
593:32 looking for this quote. Uh, Sir Mark Walport, chief executive of the
593:35 Sir Mark Walport, chief executive of the United Kingdom research and innovation
593:37 United Kingdom research and innovation thing, um, once famously said, I only
593:40 thing, um, once famously said, I only knew the quote. I didn't know the
593:42 knew the quote. I didn't know the person. Uh, science isn't finished until
593:44 person. Uh, science isn't finished until it's communicated. Science communication
593:46 it's communicated. Science communication is a part of science and it is a damn
593:49 is a part of science and it is a damn difficult part of science and you need
593:51 difficult part of science and you need to be the right kind of person for it.
593:52 to be the right kind of person for it. So, just practice, practice, practice,
593:54 So, just practice, practice, practice, practice, practice, and be ready to
593:55 practice, practice, and be ready to learn and grow and develop as you go.
593:57 learn and grow and develop as you go. And be ready to cringe at yourself real
593:59 And be ready to cringe at yourself real [ __ ] hard in a couple of years
594:02 [ __ ] hard in a couple of years because Lord knows I do. And and so does
594:05 because Lord knows I do. And and so does everybody. And I've yet to meet I have
594:07 everybody. And I've yet to meet I have yet to meet a YouTuber, especially a
594:09 yet to meet a YouTuber, especially a science communicator, that does not
594:11 science communicator, that does not absolutely [ __ ] hate their most
594:14 absolutely [ __ ] hate their most popular videos and their older videos
594:16 popular videos and their older videos and things like everybody does. So,
594:18 and things like everybody does. So, >> let me embarrassed
594:21 >> let me embarrassed >> by the [ __ ] that people watch of me.
594:23 >> by the [ __ ] that people watch of me. >> Let me offer one other
594:24 >> Let me offer one other >> I mean it something that just just you
594:27 >> I mean it something that just just you know people will sometimes call in and
594:29 know people will sometimes call in and they'll be like, "Hey, I watch your
594:30 they'll be like, "Hey, I watch your channel a lot." And I say like, "Oh, I'm
594:31 channel a lot." And I say like, "Oh, I'm so sorry you had to go through that."
594:32 so sorry you had to go through that." And people like, "Oh, he's so silly and
594:34 And people like, "Oh, he's so silly and humble." No, I mean that [ __ ] I mean
594:36 humble." No, I mean that [ __ ] I mean that [ __ ] It's [ __ ] terrible. I
594:38 that [ __ ] It's [ __ ] terrible. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.
594:39 wouldn't wish that on anybody. >> Seriously, if you do the SYCOM thing
594:41 >> Seriously, if you do the SYCOM thing anytime you find yourself thinking it's
594:44 anytime you find yourself thinking it's probably fine, it's not. It's not.
594:46 probably fine, it's not. It's not. Whatever you're thinking, it's not. It
594:48 Whatever you're thinking, it's not. It doesn't matter if it's editing. It
594:49 doesn't matter if it's editing. It doesn't matter if it's it's
594:50 doesn't matter if it's it's double-checking a source. It anytime you
594:52 double-checking a source. It anytime you think about double checking a source and
594:53 think about double checking a source and you don't, you're wrong. I promise. It
594:56 you don't, you're wrong. I promise. It is a 100% likelihood that the the times
594:59 is a 100% likelihood that the the times that you ignore checking
595:00 that you ignore checking >> I heard that earlier just
595:03 >> I heard that earlier just >> play it safe, my friend. Don't be, you
595:05 >> play it safe, my friend. Don't be, you know, play it safe.
595:06 know, play it safe. >> I've been watching the stream since it
595:07 >> I've been watching the stream since it started. So,
595:10 started. So, >> Yep. You're either sure or you're wrong.
595:12 >> Yep. You're either sure or you're wrong. She He said he's been watching the
595:13 She He said he's been watching the stream since it's started. And you and
595:15 stream since it's started. And you and if you notice, there were several times
595:17 if you notice, there were several times in here in this stream where we [ __ ]
595:20 in here in this stream where we [ __ ] knew something. When we were talking
595:21 knew something. When we were talking about whale evolution, when I was
595:23 about whale evolution, when I was talking about the famine in Gaza, when
595:25 talking about the famine in Gaza, when we were talking about statistics on
595:26 we were talking about statistics on trans people and and and violence
595:28 trans people and and and violence against them, every time. Pulled up a
595:31 against them, every time. Pulled up a source. I knew it like the back of my
595:33 source. I knew it like the back of my [ __ ] hand. Erica knew it like the
595:34 [ __ ] hand. Erica knew it like the back of her [ __ ] hand. We know it cuz
595:36 back of her [ __ ] hand. We know it cuz we know it. We've said it a million
595:37 we know it. We've said it a million times. We still pull up graphs and
595:39 times. We still pull up graphs and figures and sources and [ __ ] Abso
595:41 figures and sources and [ __ ] Abso fuckingutely. If you know, you know, you
595:43 fuckingutely. If you know, you know, you know, you know, and you said it a
595:45 know, you know, and you said it a million times, great chance to double
595:46 million times, great chance to double check it. Absolutely.
595:48 check it. Absolutely. >> Double-checking is the sign of a careful
595:50 >> Double-checking is the sign of a careful scholar, not the sign of one who doesn't
595:52 scholar, not the sign of one who doesn't know what they're talking about, not an
595:54 know what they're talking about, not an ignorant one.
596:04 Is this my time up? I >> Yeah, we're we're going to move on to
596:05 >> Yeah, we're we're going to move on to the last call, but I appreciate you
596:07 the last call, but I appreciate you calling in and talking to us. Feel free
596:09 calling in and talking to us. Feel free to call us back sometime. We'll go down
596:10 to call us back sometime. We'll go down that list of questions you have about
596:11 that list of questions you have about biology. Maybe you'll have a few more by
596:13 biology. Maybe you'll have a few more by that time. I'm on tomorrow night, so
596:16 that time. I'm on tomorrow night, so maybe you can call then.
596:19 maybe you can call then. >> Well, yeah, dude.
596:20 >> Well, yeah, dude. >> Well, I'm I'm free on the weekends. So,
596:23 >> Well, I'm I'm free on the weekends. So, whoever is on on the weekends, I'll try
596:24 whoever is on on the weekends, I'll try and call in because I'm a very uh I I I
596:28 and call in because I'm a very uh I I I think the word would be inquisitive.
596:30 think the word would be inquisitive. >> I'm a very inquisitive person. I always
596:32 >> I'm a very inquisitive person. I always have a question about something.
596:34 have a question about something. that you know
596:36 that you know >> tomorrow you've got you've got Matt and
596:39 >> tomorrow you've got you've got Matt and Justin on the Sunday show. Uh so if you
596:42 Justin on the Sunday show. Uh so if you want to talk about the Bible, there's
596:43 want to talk about the Bible, there's your chance. And then on the Sunday show
596:45 your chance. And then on the Sunday show after dark tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. Central
596:46 after dark tomorrow at 7:00 p.m. Central Standard Time, you've got
596:50 Standard Time, you've got didn't throw up. You've got me and Paul.
596:52 didn't throw up. You've got me and Paul. Uh then on Monday, you've got uh looks
596:57 Uh then on Monday, you've got uh looks like Godless Engineer and Paul again.
597:00 like Godless Engineer and Paul again. Um, then you've got Chewed Gum with uh
597:03 Um, then you've got Chewed Gum with uh Taylor and Alyssa. So if you want to
597:04 Taylor and Alyssa. So if you want to talk about women's issues, that's a cool
597:07 talk about women's issues, that's a cool place to do that. And you've got the
597:08 place to do that. And you've got the Transatlantic, which looks like Lexander
597:10 Transatlantic, which looks like Lexander and Josie there. So if you want to talk
597:11 and Josie there. So if you want to talk about trans people, there's your option
597:12 about trans people, there's your option there. So like absolutely absolutely
597:15 there. So like absolutely absolutely call in and ask good questions.
597:17 call in and ask good questions. >> And with that, we are going to jump on
597:19 >> And with that, we are going to jump on to the last one, but thank you so much
597:21 to the last one, but thank you so much to
597:21 to >> see me again. Yeah, most definitely.
597:24 >> see me again. Yeah, most definitely. Thank you so much for your call. Take
597:25 Thank you so much for your call. Take care. Bye-bye.
597:32 All right, y'all. It's time for the last call of the
597:34 It's time for the last call of the night. How exciting.
597:36 night. How exciting. >> Oh, time flies.
597:38 >> Oh, time flies. Ardan's like Ardan's like, "Good. Get
597:42 Ardan's like Ardan's like, "Good. Get that [ __ ] done and dusted. I'm ready to
597:44 that [ __ ] done and dusted. I'm ready to get out of here.
597:45 get out of here. >> I'm I'm barely breaking this on. You're
597:47 >> I'm I'm barely breaking this on. You're sleepy. We're even tired."
597:49 sleepy. We're even tired." >> I could I I could go a little longer. I
597:51 >> I could I I could go a little longer. I got a little sleepy for a minute and
597:52 got a little sleepy for a minute and then I got a banana milkshake and it
597:54 then I got a banana milkshake and it perked me right the [ __ ] up. I'm down
597:55 perked me right the [ __ ] up. I'm down for another couple of hours. Like if we
597:56 for another couple of hours. Like if we want to go to midnight, I'm down.
597:58 want to go to midnight, I'm down. >> Let's open the lines back up. Ardan,
598:00 >> Let's open the lines back up. Ardan, what do you think?
598:01 what do you think? >> Let's open the lines back up.
598:03 >> Let's open the lines back up. >> In the middle of whatever you're saying
598:04 >> In the middle of whatever you're saying in the middle of whatever super chat at
598:06 in the middle of whatever super chat at 11 p.m.
598:09 11 p.m. >> Okay,
598:09 >> Okay, >> that's 50 minutes.
598:11 >> that's 50 minutes. >> Okay, we got to we got to hustle first.
598:13 >> Okay, we got to we got to hustle first. We got to get this next started.
598:16 We got to get this next started. >> We're already 90 minutes past our
598:18 >> We're already 90 minutes past our record. How [ __ ] cool is that? Uh
598:20 record. How [ __ ] cool is that? Uh >> well, we crushed it. Unfortunately, I I
598:22 >> well, we crushed it. Unfortunately, I I hate I hate to say it, but we crushed
598:24 hate I hate to say it, but we crushed it. We slayed it and you know that's
598:28 it. We slayed it and you know that's gonna kick that can down the road. We'll
598:29 gonna kick that can down the road. We'll have to beat it next time. Actually,
598:31 have to beat it next time. Actually, this will be a great this will be a
598:32 this will be a great this will be a great opportunity. Here's what we can
598:33 great opportunity. Here's what we can do. Someday we'll be like we're going to
598:35 do. Someday we'll be like we're going to try to raise one day we'll be like we're
598:38 try to raise one day we'll be like we're going to try to raise $100,000 for some
598:39 going to try to raise $100,000 for some cause. 24hour stream. That's the prize.
598:43 cause. 24hour stream. That's the prize. We'll we'll stream for 24 hours and at
598:46 We'll we'll stream for 24 hours and at the end Ardan will take us out back and
598:49 the end Ardan will take us out back and put us out of our misery with the gun.
598:51 put us out of our misery with the gun. Somebody already asked for that and I
598:52 Somebody already asked for that and I said that's going to be $36,000 for me,
598:55 said that's going to be $36,000 for me, champ. 5,000 to keep the show going.
598:57 champ. 5,000 to keep the show going. $36,000 if you want a 24-hour show
599:01 $36,000 if you want a 24-hour show >> directly to me.
599:03 >> directly to me. >> For real though, I would do that [ __ ]
599:05 >> For real though, I would do that [ __ ] all day long. I I would be I'd be all
599:06 all day long. I I would be I'd be all about it. I I wanted Jimmy asked me when
599:09 about it. I I wanted Jimmy asked me when he was calling. He's like, "Can we just
599:10 he was calling. He's like, "Can we just go to 10, right?" And I was like, "No,
599:11 go to 10, right?" And I was like, "No, [ __ ] Do it till 12 or do it till 10:00
599:13 [ __ ] Do it till 12 or do it till 10:00 and then let us go until 12 to like
599:16 and then let us go until 12 to like really give them something to talk
599:17 really give them something to talk about." Oh, they only had to do 10 hours
599:19 about." Oh, they only had to do 10 hours and they did 12. Maybe I was into it.
599:21 and they did 12. Maybe I was into it. >> I I mean the thing, you know, the thing
599:23 >> I I mean the thing, you know, the thing is this is a leave them wanting more
599:25 is this is a leave them wanting more though. I can see the appeal to that
599:26 though. I can see the appeal to that because if we did 12 hours this time,
599:29 because if we did 12 hours this time, the next big impressive one is 24. I
599:31 the next big impressive one is 24. I mean, what are we going to do next? 14
599:33 mean, what are we going to do next? 14 hours. Who gives a [ __ ] about that?
599:34 hours. Who gives a [ __ ] about that? That's baby. That's baby mode, right?
599:36 That's baby. That's baby mode, right? >> But sorry, 20. Who cares? Lame.
599:40 >> But sorry, 20. Who cares? Lame. >> Miss,
599:40 >> Miss, >> we got uh we
599:43 >> we got uh we >> our very last call tonight uh because
599:46 >> our very last call tonight uh because the genocide denying [ __ ] did not call
599:48 the genocide denying [ __ ] did not call in. Shame. Uh, we got our last call of
599:51 in. Shame. Uh, we got our last call of the night is Miriam. Pronoun she or Fay
599:55 the night is Miriam. Pronoun she or Fay calling in from Ipsilateral lips talking
600:00 calling in from Ipsilateral lips talking about having both your lips on the same
600:02 about having both your lips on the same bilateral side of your body. Like, you
600:04 bilateral side of your body. Like, you know what I mean? I don't know. Uh, who
600:06 know what I mean? I don't know. Uh, who wants to talk about theism? Miriam,
600:08 wants to talk about theism? Miriam, you're our last call of the night and
600:10 you're our last call of the night and you're a theist. I am so excited. How
600:12 you're a theist. I am so excited. How are you?
600:14 are you? >> I'm great. How are you, Forest?
600:17 >> I'm great. How are you, Forest? >> Never had a bad day.
600:19 >> Never had a bad day. Yeah. Yeah.
600:20 Yeah. Yeah. >> I'm also good, Miriam. And I'm also
600:22 >> I'm also good, Miriam. And I'm also doing good.
600:24 doing good. >> Yeah. I was gonna say, how how are you,
600:26 >> Yeah. I was gonna say, how how are you, Erica? Me, too. And me, too. I'm also,
600:28 Erica? Me, too. And me, too. I'm also, don't forget.
600:31 don't forget. >> I'm just kidding. I'm messing around.
600:32 >> I'm just kidding. I'm messing around. >> I love I love you guys. You're so
600:34 >> I love I love you guys. You're so bubbly. And uh I love that you like talk
600:36 bubbly. And uh I love that you like talk about science and stuff. It's like,
600:38 about science and stuff. It's like, yeah.
600:39 yeah. >> Oh, goodness. We have fun around you.
600:41 >> Oh, goodness. We have fun around you. >> We have fun. Ardan has the most fun of
600:43 >> We have fun. Ardan has the most fun of all though.
600:45 all though. >> She does.
600:47 >> She does. I was allow I just wanted to say like a
600:48 I was allow I just wanted to say like a hi Ardan again. Um we haven't spoken in
600:51 hi Ardan again. Um we haven't spoken in a long time but I I called into
600:53 a long time but I I called into transatlantic like when it first started
600:55 transatlantic like when it first started but hi
600:58 but hi >> hell yeah
600:59 >> hell yeah >> that's cool as hell. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
601:07 >> Yeah. My question is uh pretty pretty
601:08 My question is uh pretty pretty straightforward. Um or uh I mean not a
601:11 straightforward. Um or uh I mean not a question but my topic but
601:13 question but my topic but >> yeah
601:20 shall we just start with the uh with the tag itself? If you want you can. So
601:22 tag itself? If you want you can. So usually you've seen the show usually we
601:24 usually you've seen the show usually we elabor we give the the caller a chance
601:26 elabor we give the the caller a chance to elaborate but if you'd like we can
601:27 to elaborate but if you'd like we can just jump into what you said which was
601:32 just jump into what you said which was >> general theism is
601:33 >> general theism is >> general theism is reason
601:35 >> general theism is reason >> can work through our differences despite
601:36 >> can work through our differences despite that actually I'm interested I mean I
601:39 that actually I'm interested I mean I can give my thoughts I you know what
601:42 can give my thoughts I you know what screw it I'll give my thoughts on that I
601:43 screw it I'll give my thoughts on that I know everybody wants to know that's what
601:45 know everybody wants to know that's what you're here for is you want to
601:46 you're here for is you want to everybody's waiting with baited breath
601:47 everybody's waiting with baited breath for our thoughts
601:49 for our thoughts >> go for it
601:50 >> go for it >> I my whole philosophy on the the theism
601:55 >> I my whole philosophy on the the theism anti-theist
601:57 anti-theist goes on occasionally here on YouTube um
602:00 goes on occasionally here on YouTube um is I I'm a science communicator first to
602:02 is I I'm a science communicator first to me science communication is the most
602:04 me science communication is the most important thing I want people to
602:06 important thing I want people to understand the science I am far more
602:08 understand the science I am far more willing to collaborate with um a theist
602:12 willing to collaborate with um a theist who accepts all of conventional science
602:14 who accepts all of conventional science than I would be with you know an atheist
602:16 than I would be with you know an atheist who was an antivaxer right like that's
602:18 who was an antivaxer right like that's that's just always going to be the case
602:20 that's just always going to be the case for me because I I think that that is
602:22 for me because I I think that that is materially what matters the most. I can
602:24 materially what matters the most. I can have any conversation about general
602:26 have any conversation about general theism for sure and I do all the time on
602:28 theism for sure and I do all the time on the line and I can give you my opinions
602:30 the line and I can give you my opinions why I think the way that I do. Um, but
602:32 why I think the way that I do. Um, but for me it's like especially right now
602:34 for me it's like especially right now what matters more than anything else is
602:36 what matters more than anything else is uh kindness and compassion for for
602:38 uh kindness and compassion for for humans here in the United States of
602:39 humans here in the United States of course but also science comprehension
602:43 course but also science comprehension and understanding so that we can move
602:45 and understanding so that we can move forward on the same page because I think
602:46 forward on the same page because I think that I think that pseudocience pedaling
602:50 that I think that pseudocience pedaling and anti-science anti-intellectualism
602:54 and anti-science anti-intellectualism is a very powerful very rich seed that
602:58 is a very powerful very rich seed that from from which a lot of other [ __ ]
602:59 from from which a lot of other [ __ ] that we're dealing with here in the
603:00 that we're dealing with here in the United States seems to sprout. Um, so
603:02 United States seems to sprout. Um, so for me, I I think combating bad science
603:06 for me, I I think combating bad science and also encouraging good science
603:08 and also encouraging good science literacy is is the most important thing.
603:10 literacy is is the most important thing. The reason I say that is because dealing
603:13 The reason I say that is because dealing with general theism, if I'm dealing with
603:15 with general theism, if I'm dealing with a theist and they are science affirming
603:18 a theist and they are science affirming six ways to Tuesday, I'm going to have
603:20 six ways to Tuesday, I'm going to have no problem with them. We can talk about
603:22 no problem with them. We can talk about where we disagree on theism, but for me
603:25 where we disagree on theism, but for me personally, I'm not going to be like,
603:27 personally, I'm not going to be like, well, I can't I can't collaborate with
603:29 well, I can't I can't collaborate with this person on on a project or I can't,
603:31 this person on on a project or I can't, you know, protest with this person or I
603:33 you know, protest with this person or I can't and I don't I don't think any of
603:34 can't and I don't I don't think any of our hosts here on the line would be like
603:36 our hosts here on the line would be like that to be perfectly honest. I don't
603:37 that to be perfectly honest. I don't think anybody is an anti-theist to that
603:39 think anybody is an anti-theist to that degree. Um, so my answer to your
603:42 degree. Um, so my answer to your question is I think most of the time
603:45 question is I think most of the time general theists can absolutely get along
603:48 general theists can absolutely get along um and work through differences with
603:50 um and work through differences with somebody who is uh atheistic or
603:52 somebody who is uh atheistic or agnostic. Uh, as long as we're together
603:54 agnostic. Uh, as long as we're together on the core values and core goals of how
603:57 on the core values and core goals of how to make this world a better place for
603:58 to make this world a better place for for all people. Um, that's my two cents.
604:07 >> Okay. Yeah, definitely. I I definitely agree. Um I think that uh the theists
604:10 agree. Um I think that uh the theists and uh atheists can like work together
604:13 and uh atheists can like work together especially if they have like those core
604:14 especially if they have like those core values that you said. Um
604:18 values that you said. Um um it becomes harder when uh when you
604:21 um it becomes harder when uh when you know you have a theist like a you know
604:23 know you have a theist like a you know young young earth creationist or uh uh
604:27 young young earth creationist or uh uh someone who uh just denies like science
604:30 someone who uh just denies like science uh like findings or whatever. But yeah,
604:32 uh like findings or whatever. But yeah, I think I totally agree with you.
604:34 I think I totally agree with you. Although
604:34 Although >> although I will say um I you know I have
604:38 >> although I will say um I you know I have tangoed with many young earth
604:39 tangoed with many young earth creationists here on YouTube and I have
604:41 creationists here on YouTube and I have met the rare few um who are very
604:46 met the rare few um who are very socially progressive but they are still
604:48 socially progressive but they are still young earth creationists and a
604:49 young earth creationists and a fascinating combination but one that
604:51 fascinating combination but one that exists all the same. And these these are
604:54 exists all the same. And these these are people who I truly do believe are are
604:56 people who I truly do believe are are coming from a place of compassion. I
604:59 coming from a place of compassion. I think they're very very uninformed and
605:01 think they're very very uninformed and of course I've had conversations with
605:03 of course I've had conversations with them about that. But that being said, we
605:05 them about that. But that being said, we agree on a lot of very important things.
605:07 agree on a lot of very important things. Um, and so, you know, with these kinds
605:09 Um, and so, you know, with these kinds of these are these are people who I
605:10 of these are these are people who I would happily march with for for human
605:13 would happily march with for for human rights here in the States. Uh, but and
605:15 rights here in the States. Uh, but and then argue with for hours afterwards
605:17 then argue with for hours afterwards because what what do you mean? You don't
605:19 because what what do you mean? You don't you know what I mean? It's like um but I
605:22 you know what I mean? It's like um but I digress.
605:29 >> Yeah. I I I think that a lot of views of like a like a when when we're talking
605:32 like a like a when when we're talking about like a young earth creationism or
605:35 about like a young earth creationism or flat earth or anything like that, I
605:37 flat earth or anything like that, I think that we're like really good like
605:40 think that we're like really good like talking to
605:42 talking to mostly
605:44 mostly mostly and quotation marks mostly a uh
605:47 mostly and quotation marks mostly a uh minority group, but they're a very loud
605:49 minority group, but they're a very loud group, right? So
605:52 group, right? So >> yeah. Um, and you know, it really
605:55 >> yeah. Um, and you know, it really depends on the group that you're talking
605:56 depends on the group that you're talking about here, right? Like the most recent
605:58 about here, right? Like the most recent poll that I've seen, the most uplifting
606:00 poll that I've seen, the most uplifting poll that I've seen, and don't get me on
606:02 poll that I've seen, and don't get me on this soap box because I'll talk about it
606:03 this soap box because I'll talk about it for a very long time.
606:07 for a very long time. >> Okay.
606:08 >> Okay. >> Um, there are fewer creationists in the
606:11 >> Um, there are fewer creationists in the United States than there have ever been
606:13 United States than there have ever been right now. That does not make sense.
606:15 right now. That does not make sense. that does not square with every other
606:18 that does not square with every other like swell in pseudocientific
606:22 like swell in pseudocientific um ideas in this renaissance that we're
606:24 um ideas in this renaissance that we're seeing for climate change denial and for
606:25 seeing for climate change denial and for antivax uh ideology and for all sorts of
606:28 antivax uh ideology and for all sorts of other stuff forever for whatever reason
606:30 other stuff forever for whatever reason creationism not just young earth
606:32 creationism not just young earth creationism either anti-evolution
606:34 creationism either anti-evolution sentiment is lower than it's ever been
606:37 sentiment is lower than it's ever been 18% of Americans are creationists and
606:39 18% of Americans are creationists and that they don't believe evolution is
606:41 that they don't believe evolution is responsible for modern biodiversity and
606:42 responsible for modern biodiversity and don't think humans evolved that means
606:44 don't think humans evolved that means that like 82% of the United States
606:49 that like 82% of the United States accepts that humans evolved from prior
606:52 accepts that humans evolved from prior life forms. A lot of them think that God
606:53 life forms. A lot of them think that God guided it. That's another conversation.
606:56 guided it. That's another conversation. But accepting conventional science is
606:57 But accepting conventional science is something that is that
607:01 something that is that in the right direction. Um it's fairly
607:05 in the right direction. Um it's fairly inexplicable given the climate of
607:06 inexplicable given the climate of things. I think I have an idea as to why
607:09 things. I think I have an idea as to why it is, but it's, you know, it would take
607:10 it is, but it's, you know, it would take a long time to explain. So, you know,
607:12 a long time to explain. So, you know, case in point, it is a minority,
607:14 case in point, it is a minority, thankfully. Um,
607:17 thankfully. Um, and I would like to continue to watch
607:19 and I would like to continue to watch that line go down.
607:21 that line go down. >> Be tight. Tight.
607:28 >> Go ahead, Forest. >> Oh, no. I was just agreeing with her and
607:30 >> Oh, no. I was just agreeing with her and and I also like I agree with everything
607:32 and I also like I agree with everything we've been talking about as well as far
607:34 we've been talking about as well as far as like progress and society. Um, one of
607:38 as like progress and society. Um, one of the people that I look up to the most in
607:40 the people that I look up to the most in this world is a Muslim man and I've
607:43 this world is a Muslim man and I've Kasam Rasheed. No, no issue telling.
607:45 Kasam Rasheed. No, no issue telling. I've had him as a guest on the show. I
607:47 I've had him as a guest on the show. I dude has never said anything that I
607:49 dude has never said anything that I didn't agree with wholeheartedly except
607:52 didn't agree with wholeheartedly except that God is real. And like, dude has
607:55 that God is real. And like, dude has given me like every time I see his
607:58 given me like every time I see his videos, banger after banger after
608:00 videos, banger after banger after certified [ __ ] banger. I've had a
608:03 certified [ __ ] banger. I've had a Christian guy as a a a host on this show
608:05 Christian guy as a a a host on this show with me as well because he has really
608:07 with me as well because he has really great things to say about education and
608:09 great things to say about education and about child abuse and about discipline.
608:11 about child abuse and about discipline. He's a big anti-spanking advocate. Great
608:14 He's a big anti-spanking advocate. Great [ __ ] dude with amazing insights. Tall
608:17 [ __ ] dude with amazing insights. Tall as a [ __ ] mountain and just an
608:19 as a [ __ ] mountain and just an amazing guy who I I think is great. Um
608:22 amazing guy who I I think is great. Um and so like I I have no issue with those
608:25 and so like I I have no issue with those things. As far as whether or not theism
608:27 things. As far as whether or not theism is reasonable, strongly disagree, but
608:30 is reasonable, strongly disagree, but whether or not I can work with theists
608:32 whether or not I can work with theists to make a better future, absolutely. And
608:34 to make a better future, absolutely. And I would be stupid to think otherwise.
608:37 I would be stupid to think otherwise. Um, and that's why like it bothers me so
608:39 Um, and that's why like it bothers me so much. I know we've already touched on
608:40 much. I know we've already touched on this, but just to reiterate it, it
608:43 this, but just to reiterate it, it bothers me so [ __ ] much when there
608:45 bothers me so [ __ ] much when there are people in the atheist community on
608:47 are people in the atheist community on the online community who take the word
608:49 the online community who take the word anti-theist to go to actually
608:52 anti-theist to go to actually anti-theist and not anti-theism and not
608:56 anti-theist and not anti-theism and not talking about how they're against
608:57 talking about how they're against religious belief, they're against
608:58 religious belief, they're against harmful dogma, they're against, you
609:00 harmful dogma, they're against, you know, belief in gods. They're against
609:02 know, belief in gods. They're against all these things. and they actually
609:04 all these things. and they actually start throwing around this [ __ ]
609:05 start throwing around this [ __ ] about how like all religious people are
609:08 about how like all religious people are evil, crazy, stupid, whatever. People
609:10 evil, crazy, stupid, whatever. People who [ __ ] they're still, oh my god, if
609:13 who [ __ ] they're still, oh my god, if I hear somebody say some [ __ ] about how
609:14 I hear somebody say some [ __ ] about how like religion is a mental disorder and
609:16 like religion is a mental disorder and [ __ ] like that, that edgy [ __ ] Reddit
609:18 [ __ ] like that, that edgy [ __ ] Reddit bull, I'll knock them the [ __ ] out. I
609:19 bull, I'll knock them the [ __ ] out. I hate that's so stupid. That's so [ __ ]
609:22 hate that's so stupid. That's so [ __ ] stupid. And so like
609:25 stupid. And so like >> abs Yes, exactly. So like I mean you
609:29 >> abs Yes, exactly. So like I mean you like uh released a video like a few
609:31 like uh released a video like a few years ago or whatever like you know you
609:33 years ago or whatever like you know you should stop calling like a you know
609:36 should stop calling like a you know religious or whatever uh people who are
609:38 religious or whatever uh people who are religious like uh mentally ill or
609:40 religious like uh mentally ill or something like that. So
609:41 something like that. So >> yes.
609:43 >> yes. >> Yeah. It's it's so [ __ ] dumb. So like
609:45 >> Yeah. It's it's so [ __ ] dumb. So like I can tell you
609:47 I can tell you >> I can tell you right now with with with
609:50 >> I can tell you right now with with with a straight face and a kind heart like I
609:53 a straight face and a kind heart like I I don't know what god you believe in.
609:55 I don't know what god you believe in. and it says theist caller. Um, you've
609:58 and it says theist caller. Um, you've labeled yourself as a theist here. I
610:00 labeled yourself as a theist here. I think that whatever your religious
610:02 think that whatever your religious belief is, I think that it's harmful. I
610:04 belief is, I think that it's harmful. I don't like whatever god you believe in.
610:06 don't like whatever god you believe in. I don't even need to know what god you
610:08 I don't even need to know what god you believe in because I think that every
610:09 believe in because I think that every god concept is is harmful. So like I am
610:13 god concept is is harmful. So like I am not for your beliefs at all. I wish that
610:17 not for your beliefs at all. I wish that you were free of them and I wish they
610:18 you were free of them and I wish they weren't a thing. you would probably,
610:21 weren't a thing. you would probably, depending on whether you believe in hell
610:23 depending on whether you believe in hell or whatever like that, you would
610:24 or whatever like that, you would probably have similar things to say to
610:26 probably have similar things to say to me based on your religious belief and
610:28 me based on your religious belief and that's fine and we can have that
610:29 that's fine and we can have that conversation. But if you want to work
610:32 conversation. But if you want to work with me to help protect trans and and
610:34 with me to help protect trans and and LGBT people in this community, if you
610:37 LGBT people in this community, if you want to work with me to guarantee that
610:38 want to work with me to guarantee that everybody has access to food and water
610:40 everybody has access to food and water and shelter, if you want to work with me
610:42 and shelter, if you want to work with me to increase the minimum wage and and try
610:44 to increase the minimum wage and and try to bring about a more socialist economy,
610:47 to bring about a more socialist economy, if you want to work with me to end
610:48 if you want to work with me to end homelessness, if you want to work with
610:50 homelessness, if you want to work with me to inst enshrine democracy a little
610:53 me to inst enshrine democracy a little bit more and and safeguard it from
610:55 bit more and and safeguard it from encroaching fascism, if you want to work
610:57 encroaching fascism, if you want to work with me to uh uh solve climate change
611:00 with me to uh uh solve climate change and bring about new green energy
611:02 and bring about new green energy initiatives and try to clean up the
611:03 initiatives and try to clean up the planet. Dude, I don't give a [ __ ] what
611:06 planet. Dude, I don't give a [ __ ] what you believe as long as you're in or what
611:08 you believe as long as you're in or what gods you believe in. I'm gonna be right
611:10 gods you believe in. I'm gonna be right there working handinand with you. And I
611:12 there working handinand with you. And I telling you, I'm never going to care.
611:14 telling you, I'm never going to care. I'm never going to ask you about your
611:15 I'm never going to ask you about your gods unless you bring them up to me. So
611:18 gods unless you bring them up to me. So that's I I think is absolutely
611:20 that's I I think is absolutely reasonable that we can have community,
611:22 reasonable that we can have community, that we can work together, that we can
611:23 that we can work together, that we can work through differences. And and I
611:25 work through differences. And and I don't just mean work through
611:25 don't just mean work through differences, I mean come to understand.
611:27 differences, I mean come to understand. I mean we can work through differences.
611:29 I mean we can work through differences. We can have the differences and work
611:31 We can have the differences and work together anyway. That's okay. The only
611:34 together anyway. That's okay. The only difference is a belief that I'm not
611:35 difference is a belief that I'm not going to work with are [ __ ] Nazis and
611:37 going to work with are [ __ ] Nazis and [ __ ] But if you're just a theist, fine.
611:39 [ __ ] But if you're just a theist, fine. We can work together to make a better
611:41 We can work together to make a better future and then we can all be happy in
611:42 future and then we can all be happy in it. And if anybody's out there trying to
611:44 it. And if anybody's out there trying to take your right to your religion away,
611:46 take your right to your religion away, I'll be the first one out in the street
611:47 I'll be the first one out in the street fighting with you to keep your right to
611:49 fighting with you to keep your right to believe whatever the [ __ ] you want to
611:50 believe whatever the [ __ ] you want to believe.
611:56 >> Yeah, I I definitely get that. And I I appreciate that. And I, you know, I I
611:58 appreciate that. And I, you know, I I still like watching like y'all's videos
612:00 still like watching like y'all's videos and stuff, but like uh I I think that
612:02 and stuff, but like uh I I think that the the core uh the more core of the
612:04 the the core uh the more core of the issue is like whether uh uh whether
612:07 issue is like whether uh uh whether these gods like actually exist. And um
612:09 these gods like actually exist. And um yeah, um I I'll be the first one to say
612:11 yeah, um I I'll be the first one to say like I I can't prove it to you. I can't
612:14 like I I can't prove it to you. I can't prove it to anyone else. um I I believe
612:16 prove it to anyone else. um I I believe what I believe and
612:19 what I believe and um for my own particular reasons and we
612:21 um for my own particular reasons and we can go into that like maybe in a
612:22 can go into that like maybe in a personal call or something like that.
612:24 personal call or something like that. But but yes, I I think like in terms of
612:28 But but yes, I I think like in terms of like how like of like societies uh how I
612:32 like how like of like societies uh how I want the society to uh run or whatever
612:35 want the society to uh run or whatever um it shouldn't be like the biggest
612:36 um it shouldn't be like the biggest priority.
612:38 priority. Um, it should be uh more like accepting
612:41 Um, it should be uh more like accepting and
612:44 and excuse me uh should be more accepting
612:46 excuse me uh should be more accepting and uh and at uh uh science science
612:49 and uh and at uh uh science science centric um because that's something that
612:52 centric um because that's something that we should uh be able to
612:54 we should uh be able to should be able to have like a consensus
612:56 should be able to have like a consensus that this exists and we're able to like
612:59 that this exists and we're able to like correlate it with each other or not
613:01 correlate it with each other or not correlate it but uh you know what I mean
613:03 correlate it but uh you know what I mean um but like verify it with each other
613:05 um but like verify it with each other you
613:10 righteous. Yeah, I'm all down with that. We as long as we can work together for
613:12 We as long as we can work together for common goals. I I I don't think I don't
613:15 common goals. I I I don't think I don't think and I wouldn't trust anybody who
613:17 think and I wouldn't trust anybody who did think that I know the best way to be
613:20 did think that I know the best way to be a human
613:21 a human >> or that I'm right about [ __ ]
613:23 >> or that I'm right about [ __ ] everything. I'm living as authentically
613:25 everything. I'm living as authentically as I can and I hope you are too. And and
613:27 as I can and I hope you are too. And and this is the issue of of
613:30 this is the issue of of >> this is the issue of um
613:32 >> this is the issue of um >> the the the paradox of tolerance is that
613:35 >> the the the paradox of tolerance is that like
613:36 like >> we I think tolerance is an amazing
613:38 >> we I think tolerance is an amazing thing. I want to be tolerant of you. You
613:40 thing. I want to be tolerant of you. You be tolerant of me. I'd rather be
613:41 be tolerant of me. I'd rather be accepted than tolerated personally. But
613:43 accepted than tolerated personally. But [ __ ] man. Like at the end of the day,
613:45 [ __ ] man. Like at the end of the day, we're going to have some differences.
613:46 we're going to have some differences. But there does have to be that line, you
613:48 But there does have to be that line, you know? it cuz if you are so tolerant that
613:50 know? it cuz if you are so tolerant that you are truly perfectly tolerant of
613:52 you are truly perfectly tolerant of everybody, some intolerant [ __ ]
613:55 everybody, some intolerant [ __ ] is going to come in and destroy your
613:56 is going to come in and destroy your tolerant society. So you have to have
613:57 tolerant society. So you have to have that line of intolerance somewhere. But
614:00 that line of intolerance somewhere. But I don't think you've crossed it, Miriam.
614:01 I don't think you've crossed it, Miriam. I I don't think that you're on that
614:02 I I don't think that you're on that side. As long as we can agree on like
614:04 side. As long as we can agree on like fundamental things, if if if you're
614:06 fundamental things, if if if you're calling in as a Christian and you're not
614:08 calling in as a Christian and you're not one of the Christians who call me every
614:10 one of the Christians who call me every day and and defend slavery and [ __ ]
614:12 day and and defend slavery and [ __ ] we're going to get along. We're going to
614:13 we're going to get along. We're going to work together. We're going to be all
614:14 work together. We're going to be all right.
614:15 right. >> Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I would absolutely
614:17 >> Yeah. Yeah. No. No. I would absolutely would not be like defending slavery. I
614:19 would not be like defending slavery. I think slavery is wrong, but I like um
614:22 think slavery is wrong, but I like um but like you know within my own
614:23 but like you know within my own community. So like obviously um I said I
614:26 community. So like obviously um I said I was a theist um particularly I'm a
614:28 was a theist um particularly I'm a heathen Norse heathen specifically um
614:31 heathen Norse heathen specifically um but uh you know there's plenty of
614:34 but uh you know there's plenty of [ __ ] within my own community.
614:36 [ __ ] within my own community. Right. So
614:37 Right. So >> yeah.
614:38 >> yeah. >> Yeah. And
614:39 >> Yeah. And >> and there are plenty here on the secular
614:40 >> and there are plenty here on the secular side let me tell you.
614:43 side let me tell you. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um but I I I think
614:46 >> Yeah. Yeah. Um but I I I think So, so um I I guess for for me it it's
614:50 So, so um I I guess for for me it it's more important that we uh that we uh
614:54 more important that we uh that we uh come together and uh you know
614:57 come together and uh you know consolidate our differences uh like
614:59 consolidate our differences uh like confront them of course but uh uh the
615:02 confront them of course but uh uh the ones that we uh that we uh come together
615:05 ones that we uh that we uh come together on is uh where we I think we uh grow
615:08 on is uh where we I think we uh grow together and and uh be uh come together
615:12 together and and uh be uh come together as a society together. And then, you
615:15 as a society together. And then, you know, unfortunately, and it sucks. Um,
615:19 know, unfortunately, and it sucks. Um, but like we got to we got to like speak
615:22 but like we got to we got to like speak out against those people that are like,
615:24 out against those people that are like, you know, uh, Nazis or uh, science
615:27 you know, uh, Nazis or uh, science deniers or, you know, whatever else. Um,
615:30 deniers or, you know, whatever else. Um, that are just like just completely
615:32 that are just like just completely unhinged.
615:34 unhinged. >> Yeah, dude. Yeah,
615:36 >> Yeah, dude. Yeah, >> we we are we are more alike than we are
615:38 >> we we are we are more alike than we are different.
615:40 different. That's that's how that's and that's
615:42 That's that's how that's and that's what's that's what's important
615:44 what's that's what's important especially when it comes to how do we
615:45 especially when it comes to how do we steer society as as a civilization
615:47 steer society as as a civilization forward, right? Like how do we move
615:49 forward, right? Like how do we move things in the direction that are going
615:50 things in the direction that are going to do the greatest good for the greatest
615:53 to do the greatest good for the greatest amount of people? Um sharing those same
615:55 amount of people? Um sharing those same core values. Man, if everybody thought
615:57 core values. Man, if everybody thought exactly the same, [ __ ] would be boring.
615:58 exactly the same, [ __ ] would be boring. Anyways, it's fun to have these kinds of
616:00 Anyways, it's fun to have these kinds of discussions and like you know we're you
616:02 discussions and like you know we're you know a perfect world. We'd all be
616:04 know a perfect world. We'd all be protesting together. We'd go get a a
616:05 protesting together. We'd go get a a bite to eat afterwards and then argue
616:07 bite to eat afterwards and then argue about
616:13 if they exist, right? Like that's that's the fun part about being human is having
616:15 the fun part about being human is having these these kinds of opinions and and
616:17 these these kinds of opinions and and arguing them with your friends, right?
616:18 arguing them with your friends, right? One of the many fun things about being
616:20 One of the many fun things about being human. Um
616:22 human. Um >> yeah,
616:23 >> yeah, >> as long as the important things uh that
616:25 >> as long as the important things uh that impact other people that are going to
616:26 impact other people that are going to make society better, that we all
616:28 make society better, that we all converge on those, man, the rest is rest
616:30 converge on those, man, the rest is rest is gravy, right?
616:33 is gravy, right? >> Yeah. I I I would say that uh like in
616:36 >> Yeah. I I I would say that uh like in terms of like uh like trying to make
616:38 terms of like uh like trying to make society better like each each each side
616:41 society better like each each each side quote unquote uh thinks that they're
616:43 quote unquote uh thinks that they're going to make society better but like
616:45 going to make society better but like there's you know only one side currently
616:48 there's you know only one side currently is like denying data right so um
616:53 is like denying data right so um >> that about a [ __ ]
616:55 >> that about a [ __ ] >> yeah but uh
616:58 >> yeah but uh >> but but I think I think that uh uh
617:00 >> but but I think I think that uh uh hopefully hopefully soon Um, and it
617:04 hopefully hopefully soon Um, and it seems bleak right now uh that I think
617:05 seems bleak right now uh that I think that we can like at least come together,
617:08 that we can like at least come together, we can we can have the theism debate or
617:10 we can we can have the theism debate or whatever. um which I I think is
617:12 whatever. um which I I think is important or whatever but um I think I
617:15 important or whatever but um I think I think it's more important that we come
617:17 think it's more important that we come together like in terms of like a social
617:19 together like in terms of like a social and political like movement
617:21 and political like movement and and uh and uh uh try to uh you know
617:26 and and uh and uh uh try to uh you know squash out like you know fascism or you
617:29 squash out like you know fascism or you know whatever the
617:31 know whatever the >> the whatever you believe is uh harmful
617:33 >> the whatever you believe is uh harmful in our society today. Uh which I sure
617:38 in our society today. Uh which I sure >> wholeheartedly
617:38 >> wholeheartedly >> agree. This this was a perfect this is
617:41 >> agree. This this was a perfect this is actually a perfect call to end things on
617:42 actually a perfect call to end things on because this is very uplifting. I think
617:44 because this is very uplifting. I think so.
617:45 so. This is great. I loved ending on this.
617:47 This is great. I loved ending on this. This is perfect.
617:48 This is perfect. >> We had a good opener. We had a good
617:50 >> We had a good opener. We had a good ender. We had a nice little a nice
617:51 ender. We had a nice little a nice little sandwich of of call.
617:54 little sandwich of of call. >> Wonderful.
617:56 >> Wonderful. >> Great. Great. Well, I I'm I'm glad that
617:58 >> Great. Great. Well, I I'm I'm glad that we can end uh the show on a uh a
618:02 we can end uh the show on a uh a positive note at the very least, even if
618:04 positive note at the very least, even if we disagree on the theism question.
618:07 we disagree on the theism question. >> Of course.
618:07 >> Of course. >> Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Uh Miriam, we'll
618:11 >> Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Uh Miriam, we'll let you have the last word. We're we're
618:13 let you have the last word. We're we're going to wrap up the show. We'll get on
618:15 going to wrap up the show. We'll get on to super chats.
618:17 to super chats. >> Awesome. Well, I I hope you all I hope
618:19 >> Awesome. Well, I I hope you all I hope you all have fun with the super chats
618:21 you all have fun with the super chats and uh uh thank you for having me on and
618:25 and uh uh thank you for having me on and I hope to speak to you again uh both of
618:28 I hope to speak to you again uh both of you in the future.
618:30 you in the future. >> Of course, it'd be our pleasure. Well,
618:32 >> Of course, it'd be our pleasure. Well, you know, I'll speak for myself. It
618:33 you know, I'll speak for myself. It would be my pleasure. I don't know.
618:34 would be my pleasure. I don't know. Forest might be an [ __ ] That's
618:35 Forest might be an [ __ ] That's possible.
618:37 possible. >> So, you know, he might be he's known for
618:40 >> So, you know, he might be he's known for being an [ __ ] right?
618:41 being an [ __ ] right? >> That's so mean, man.
618:44 >> That's so mean, man. >> I appreciate you, Miriam. Thank you so
618:45 >> I appreciate you, Miriam. Thank you so much for calling in and rounding off our
618:47 much for calling in and rounding off our show so nicely. We'll talk to you later
618:48 show so nicely. We'll talk to you later on.
618:49 on. >> Well, well, thank you. Thank you, Boris.
618:51 >> Well, well, thank you. Thank you, Boris. Thank you, Erica. Have a good night.
618:52 Thank you, Erica. Have a good night. >> Thank you.
618:53 >> Thank you. >> Bye-bye.
619:00 >> It's time for super chats, y'all. >> My candle is dripping like crazy right
619:03 >> My candle is dripping like crazy right now. I'm like watching. It's like
619:04 now. I'm like watching. It's like mesmerizing to me. Unfortunately,
619:08 mesmerizing to me. Unfortunately, the white candle was not the move, you
619:09 the white candle was not the move, you guys. It looks a lot like some fluid.
619:13 guys. It looks a lot like some fluid. Um,
619:14 Um, >> yeah.
619:15 >> yeah. >> I don't know what I'm going to do about
619:16 >> I don't know what I'm going to do about this. I think I just need to get some
619:17 this. I think I just need to get some colorful candles to like cover it up. I
619:19 colorful candles to like cover it up. I don't know why I thought that it wasn't
619:20 don't know why I thought that it wasn't going to look like that. Um,
619:22 going to look like that. Um, >> but it does
619:23 >> but it does >> bundle instead of candle.
619:25 >> bundle instead of candle. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways,
619:28 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, >> show it to us.
619:29 >> show it to us. >> We got I can't right now.
619:32 >> We got I can't right now. >> I It's still dripping. I'll show you
619:34 >> I It's still dripping. I'll show you once it stops dripping. Um, because if I
619:37 once it stops dripping. Um, because if I show you right now, it's get waxed on my
619:39 show you right now, it's get waxed on my computer. So, um,
619:40 computer. So, um, >> you'll see in a bit. Anyway, well, okay.
619:43 >> you'll see in a bit. Anyway, well, okay. Wait, I could probably do this.
619:46 Wait, I could probably do this. >> Oh, you're never going to get that back
619:47 >> Oh, you're never going to get that back in the right order.
619:48 in the right order. >> No, no, no. Can you see? Do you see
619:50 >> No, no, no. Can you see? Do you see that?
619:51 that? >> Oh, that is Yeah. Yeah. It's
619:54 >> Oh, that is Yeah. Yeah. It's >> See the dripping?
619:55 >> See the dripping? >> Yeah.
619:56 >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
619:57 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The dripping action of it. The the
619:58 >> Yeah. The dripping action of it. The the the one the part that's already
620:00 the one the part that's already solidified just looks like wax, but the
620:01 solidified just looks like wax, but the rest of it that is
620:03 rest of it that is >> I know y'all.
620:04 >> I know y'all. >> I know. I know. Um Yeah. It's okay. It's
620:07 >> I know. I know. Um Yeah. It's okay. It's fine. Um
620:09 fine. Um >> bad time.
620:09 >> bad time. >> It'll fit. We'll sort it out later. We
620:12 >> It'll fit. We'll sort it out later. We got $5 from Bramley CX. Erica, did you
620:15 got $5 from Bramley CX. Erica, did you know strawberries aren't berries, but
620:16 know strawberries aren't berries, but avocados and bananas are? I've also
620:18 avocados and bananas are? I've also heard that
620:21 heard that >> I There's one fruit that's like an herb.
620:23 >> I There's one fruit that's like an herb. It's like weirdly an herb. It's like a
620:25 It's like weirdly an herb. It's like a fruit that something we consider a
620:26 fruit that something we consider a fruit, but it's actually an herb. I
620:27 fruit, but it's actually an herb. I can't remember which one it is off the
620:28 can't remember which one it is off the top of my head, but I also know it's
620:30 top of my head, but I also know it's different botanically versus in a
620:31 different botanically versus in a culinary sense. Those are two different
620:34 culinary sense. Those are two different definitions. It's like a tomato is
620:35 definitions. It's like a tomato is technically a fruit, but culinarily it's
620:37 technically a fruit, but culinarily it's a vegetable. And so it's like
620:39 a vegetable. And so it's like >> how you define those. It's just like a
620:41 >> how you define those. It's just like a classic irritating thing. Anyways, I
620:44 classic irritating thing. Anyways, I dig. Go ahead.
620:45 dig. Go ahead. >> Cuz I meant a vegetable like strict I
620:48 >> Cuz I meant a vegetable like strict I don't know. I don't remember what the
620:49 don't know. I don't remember what the exact details are, but yeah. Yeah. So,
620:50 exact details are, but yeah. Yeah. So, but a berry is any
620:53 but a berry is any >> a berry is any fruit with multiple
620:55 >> a berry is any fruit with multiple internal seeds is is what a berry is.
620:57 internal seeds is is what a berry is. And if it's if it's not a berry, if it
620:59 And if it's if it's not a berry, if it only has a single internal seed, that's
621:00 only has a single internal seed, that's called a droop. Um, and strawberries
621:03 called a droop. Um, and strawberries aren't berries. They're called aggregate
621:04 aren't berries. They're called aggregate fruits. It's several individual little
621:07 fruits. It's several individual little flowers that all cluster together in
621:09 flowers that all cluster together in order to make the thing. So the bulk of
621:11 order to make the thing. So the bulk of the strawberry is just swollen I think
621:13 the strawberry is just swollen I think ovary. Um and what are actually the
621:16 ovary. Um and what are actually the fruits of a strawberry are what you
621:18 fruits of a strawberry are what you would call seeds. Each of those little
621:19 would call seeds. Each of those little little specks on there is an aen. Each
621:22 little specks on there is an aen. Each one of those is an individual fruit. The
621:24 one of those is an individual fruit. The rest of the strawberry meat is just
621:26 rest of the strawberry meat is just whatever [ __ ] plant matter it is. Um
621:29 whatever [ __ ] plant matter it is. Um which is different than a multiple fruit
621:32 which is different than a multiple fruit like a pineapple. Every one of those
621:34 like a pineapple. Every one of those little hexagons on a pineapple is its
621:36 little hexagons on a pineapple is its own fruit. So you have a bunch of
621:38 own fruit. So you have a bunch of flowers. Each of those flowers develops
621:40 flowers. Each of those flowers develops into fruit that then coagulate together
621:42 into fruit that then coagulate together and that's what a pineapple is. So like
621:44 and that's what a pineapple is. So like every every flower makes fruit.
621:46 every every flower makes fruit. >> Riddle me this riddle me this forest.
621:49 >> Riddle me this riddle me this forest. How is an avocado then a fruit or a
621:51 How is an avocado then a fruit or a berry? I mean if it only has one big
621:53 berry? I mean if it only has one big pit.
621:54 pit. >> It's a droop.
621:55 >> It's a droop. >> Or is it like we read it to be that way?
621:59 >> Or is it like we read it to be that way? >> I I don't think it actually is a berry.
622:01 >> I I don't think it actually is a berry. It's a It's a droop as far as I
622:02 It's a It's a droop as far as I remember.
622:03 remember. >> All right. Well,
622:05 >> All right. Well, >> where the hell is my [ __ ]
622:07 >> where the hell is my [ __ ] >> L
622:07 >> L >> the thing that I used to cover my stupid
622:09 >> the thing that I used to cover my stupid face? I might be I'll be right back.
622:11 face? I might be I'll be right back. Hold on a second.
622:12 Hold on a second. >> Wait, what is this timer?
622:14 >> Wait, what is this timer? >> When did the
622:15 >> When did the >> five Australian dollars from Charlotte
622:17 >> five Australian dollars from Charlotte Fra transa is my show, but you two are
622:20 Fra transa is my show, but you two are okay. Why is the Tassy devil have so
622:22 okay. Why is the Tassy devil have so much pounds per inch
622:25 much pounds per inch pressure better than a croc great white?
622:28 pressure better than a croc great white? It's strange. Oh. Oh, Australia. Okay.
622:30 It's strange. Oh. Oh, Australia. Okay. Right, right, right. The Tasmanian devil
622:32 Right, right, right. The Tasmanian devil has so much pound per inch of pressure
622:33 has so much pound per inch of pressure on its bite. Better than a croc. Great
622:35 on its bite. Better than a croc. Great white. It's strange. It probably has
622:37 white. It's strange. It probably has something to do with scaling, right? So
622:39 something to do with scaling, right? So for smaller critters, like per pound,
622:41 for smaller critters, like per pound, it's like a a weird scaling. I saw this
622:43 it's like a a weird scaling. I saw this one about ants the other day. I think it
622:45 one about ants the other day. I think it was like an Instagram post about ants
622:46 was like an Instagram post about ants and how like if you scaled an ant up, it
622:48 and how like if you scaled an ant up, it actually wouldn't be as strong as you
622:50 actually wouldn't be as strong as you think it would be because of all the
622:51 think it would be because of all the constraints required for an ant if it
622:54 constraints required for an ant if it was that big. Anyways, $15 Canadian
622:56 was that big. Anyways, $15 Canadian dollars from Pureform. Erica, this is
622:58 dollars from Pureform. Erica, this is cuz I'm just fishing. is a ju just so
623:01 cuz I'm just fishing. is a ju just so you know I was wrong. It is actually a
623:04 you know I was wrong. It is actually a berry. Droops have one seed. Berries
623:06 berry. Droops have one seed. Berries have multiple internal seeds. But
623:07 have multiple internal seeds. But avocados are technically berries. They
623:10 avocados are technically berries. They are technically single seeded berries
623:12 are technically single seeded berries because just the seed number isn't the
623:14 because just the seed number isn't the only thing. It's also the endocarp
623:16 only thing. It's also the endocarp covering the seed which groups don't
623:18 covering the seed which groups don't have. And so because it has this tiny
623:21 have. And so because it has this tiny tiny endocarp, it is technically in the
623:24 tiny endocarp, it is technically in the berry group, not in the droop group. So
623:27 berry group, not in the droop group. So strictly speaking, it is actually a
623:29 strictly speaking, it is actually a berry. That's great.
623:32 berry. That's great. >> If Cyrus is still watching, this is
623:34 >> If Cyrus is still watching, this is another positive of broadening your
623:35 another positive of broadening your horizons because I didn't know me any of
623:37 horizons because I didn't know me any of that. So there you go. Specialize, don't
623:39 that. So there you go. Specialize, don't specialize.
623:41 specialize. >> Uh, noodles, don't noodles. That's what
623:44 >> Uh, noodles, don't noodles. That's what Master Uguay says. Five Canadian dollars
623:46 Master Uguay says. Five Canadian dollars from Pure Reform 42. This is because I
623:48 from Pure Reform 42. This is because I just finished your video, Politics of
623:50 just finished your video, Politics of Six Day Creation, and this evening. You
623:52 Six Day Creation, and this evening. You created a pun. You're going above and
623:53 created a pun. You're going above and beyond. The two of you hosting is so
623:54 beyond. The two of you hosting is so fun. here for it. Oh lord, the politics
623:57 fun. here for it. Oh lord, the politics of six day creation, my friend. That's a
623:59 of six day creation, my friend. That's a 5 and a half hour long video. Uh,
624:01 5 and a half hour long video. Uh, congratulations for finishing it. I bet
624:02 congratulations for finishing it. I bet you feel very bad now cuz that video is
624:05 you feel very bad now cuz that video is very depressing.
624:10 >> Make sure to send in your super chats. If I remember correctly, $20 super chats
624:12 If I remember correctly, $20 super chats and higher will be read. Make sure to
624:14 and higher will be read. Make sure to include #Trapart in here forever. Um,
624:17 include #Trapart in here forever. Um, $10 from Robert Malaney. Um, is a hot
624:21 $10 from Robert Malaney. Um, is a hot dog a sandwich? Traditional hot dog in a
624:23 dog a sandwich? Traditional hot dog in a traditional hot dog bun? What the [ __ ]
624:25 traditional hot dog bun? What the [ __ ] is a traditional hot dog bun? Hold on.
624:28 is a traditional hot dog bun? Hold on. >> Already? Yes.
624:30 >> Already? Yes. >> One of those.
624:32 >> One of those. >> Well, what the [ __ ] is a non-traditional
624:34 >> Well, what the [ __ ] is a non-traditional hot dog bun?
624:35 hot dog bun? >> Well, you know, like gourmet or
624:37 >> Well, you know, like gourmet or whatever.
624:39 whatever. >> What does that mean?
624:41 >> What does that mean? >> Well, I don't I I don't know. They said
624:43 >> Well, I don't I I don't know. They said traditional. And what else would it be?
624:46 traditional. And what else would it be? What would else would a traditional hot
624:48 What would else would a traditional hot dog bun be if not the traditional hot
624:49 dog bun be if not the traditional hot dog bun that everybody thinks of?
624:52 dog bun that everybody thinks of? What is a non-traditional hot dog bun
624:53 What is a non-traditional hot dog bun that everyone thinks of?
624:55 that everyone thinks of? >> No. No. What else would a traditional
624:57 >> No. No. What else would a traditional one be if not the traditional this one?
625:00 one be if not the traditional this one? Hot dog style like this.
625:02 Hot dog style like this. >> Sure. But then but then what the [ __ ] is
625:04 >> Sure. But then but then what the [ __ ] is a non-traditional hot dog? That's what
625:05 a non-traditional hot dog? That's what I'm asking.
625:06 I'm asking. >> I don't I don't know the answer to that.
625:08 >> I don't I don't know the answer to that. >> I typed it in. I typed it in and I've
625:11 >> I typed it in. I typed it in and I've got lettuce wraps. I've got hot dogs
625:13 got lettuce wraps. I've got hot dogs split down the middle with other [ __ ]
625:15 split down the middle with other [ __ ] inside of them. I've got bread that's
625:19 inside of them. I've got bread that's just [ __ ] bread that's cut in half
625:21 just [ __ ] bread that's cut in half with like two sides toasted.
625:24 with like two sides toasted. >> A lettuce wrap hot dog.
625:26 >> A lettuce wrap hot dog. >> Abominations.
625:26 >> Abominations. >> A lettuce wrap hot dog.
625:29 >> A lettuce wrap hot dog. >> Who are you impressing if you're a
625:31 >> Who are you impressing if you're a lettuce wrap hot dog? Like who are you
625:33 lettuce wrap hot dog? Like who are you trying to impress? What is that?
625:35 trying to impress? What is that? >> That's like I feel like a lettuce wrap
625:37 >> That's like I feel like a lettuce wrap hot dog is like a lettuce wrap hot dog
625:41 hot dog is like a lettuce wrap hot dog is like doing doing a well done Wagyu
625:44 is like doing doing a well done Wagyu steak, right? Like it's just taking
625:46 steak, right? Like it's just taking something that's supposed to be fancy
625:48 something that's supposed to be fancy and then declassing it up, right? The
625:51 and then declassing it up, right? The lettuce wrap being the fancy thing and
625:52 lettuce wrap being the fancy thing and then the hot dog being the thing that
625:54 then the hot dog being the thing that declasses it.
625:57 declasses it. Anyways, $5 from the negative
625:59 Anyways, $5 from the negative commentator TNT.
626:00 commentator TNT. >> We're not earning a Michelin star over
626:02 >> We're not earning a Michelin star over hot dogs here, dude.
626:04 hot dogs here, dude. >> Oh, homework for Forest. Watch episodes
626:06 >> Oh, homework for Forest. Watch episodes one through six of Star Wars and then
626:08 one through six of Star Wars and then fall asleep to videos about its niche
626:11 fall asleep to videos about its niche lore.
626:13 lore. That's first of all, that's not what it
626:14 That's first of all, that's not what it says. It clearly says niche lore. Second
626:16 says. It clearly says niche lore. Second of all, a A amber is trying to get me to
626:18 of all, a A amber is trying to get me to watch uh Harry Potter right now because
626:19 watch uh Harry Potter right now because I've never seen all those.
626:21 I've never seen all those. >> Look at this. It went out on its own.
626:23 >> Look at this. It went out on its own. The candle officially died.
626:24 The candle officially died. >> I like it.
626:25 >> I like it. >> We burned two candles completion today.
626:28 >> We burned two candles completion today. >> Excellent.
626:29 >> Excellent. >> That's very good.
626:30 >> That's very good. >> My candle cat grows. You know what? Now
626:32 >> My candle cat grows. You know what? Now that it's dry, it actually does not look
626:34 that it's dry, it actually does not look as much like Jizz.
626:35 as much like Jizz. >> No, it's the dry wax is fine. It is It
626:38 >> No, it's the dry wax is fine. It is It is the wet mobile wax that really has
626:40 is the wet mobile wax that really has that come quality. the the the comety,
626:42 that come quality. the the the comety, if you will, to it. And that's just
626:44 if you will, to it. And that's just horrible.
626:47 horrible. >> I I should have got
626:48 >> I I should have got >> Oh, I got I got the same noise for it.
626:51 >> Oh, I got I got the same noise for it. >> That is That is just V. I was actually
626:54 >> That is That is just V. I was actually telling Luke about this the other day. I
626:56 telling Luke about this the other day. I was like, Forest has like this
626:57 was like, Forest has like this disgusting diarrhea sound on his
626:59 disgusting diarrhea sound on his soundboard and like I'm really wondering
627:01 soundboard and like I'm really wondering how they recorded it. And Luke was like,
627:03 how they recorded it. And Luke was like, "What do you mean you're wondering? They
627:04 "What do you mean you're wondering? They got someone with the [ __ ] diarrhea and
627:05 got someone with the [ __ ] diarrhea and then recorded it?"
627:07 then recorded it?" >> And I was like, "He's got me on that
627:08 >> And I was like, "He's got me on that one.
627:09 one. >> What's there to wonder about?" Ah, good.
627:11 >> What's there to wonder about?" Ah, good. He's got me
627:14 He's got me $10.
627:16 $10. >> $10 from uh Jamnick06. My wife and I
627:19 >> $10 from uh Jamnick06. My wife and I learned a lot about full disclosure on
627:22 learned a lot about full disclosure on Gaia TV. Those are what are those are
627:24 Gaia TV. Those are what are those are just words. I started developing our
627:26 just words. I started developing our critical thinking and skepticism then
627:28 critical thinking and skepticism then started shared what I learned with her.
627:30 started shared what I learned with her. We're good now. Thanks to line Gaia TV.
627:33 We're good now. Thanks to line Gaia TV. What the [ __ ] is Gaia TV? What's going
627:35 What the [ __ ] is Gaia TV? What's going on with that?
627:36 on with that? >> You don't know Gaia TV, dude. Guy TV is
627:38 >> You don't know Gaia TV, dude. Guy TV is like it's like Ancient Aliens but if it
627:40 like it's like Ancient Aliens but if it was a streaming service.
627:42 was a streaming service. >> Oh [ __ ] All right. Yeah.
627:46 >> Oh [ __ ] All right. Yeah. >> Oh god. Okay. We got 10 Canadian dollars
627:49 >> Oh god. Okay. We got 10 Canadian dollars from Asher the disaster 4724. Anything
627:52 from Asher the disaster 4724. Anything can be a UFO if you're bad enough at
627:54 can be a UFO if you're bad enough at identifying things. That is so true. And
627:56 identifying things. That is so true. And also I don't know. People are always
627:58 also I don't know. People are always like Yeah. What about what about Project
628:00 like Yeah. What about what about Project Blue Book? Right. Because it's like some
628:01 Blue Book? Right. Because it's like some of the stuff they never they never even
628:03 of the stuff they never they never even ended up identifying and it's still
628:04 ended up identifying and it's still unidentified.
628:06 unidentified. >> Okay. Yeah,
628:07 >> Okay. Yeah, >> that doesn't mean it's aliens. I don't
628:09 >> that doesn't mean it's aliens. I don't know. It could be,
628:10 know. It could be, >> but we don't have any proof that it is.
628:13 >> but we don't have any proof that it is. There's nothing else. You don't know
628:14 There's nothing else. You don't know what it is. You're like, it's definitely
628:16 what it is. You're like, it's definitely aliens. You know what I mean?
628:18 aliens. You know what I mean? >> Standing up sounds really cool. I I like
628:19 >> Standing up sounds really cool. I I like the idea of standing up. I like what
628:21 the idea of standing up. I like what you're doing here.
628:22 you're doing here. >> My my actually my back is started
628:24 >> My my actually my back is started hurting, so I I had to I had to kind of
628:27 hurting, so I I had to I had to kind of get up and stretch. And like my I don't
628:30 get up and stretch. And like my I don't know. I walked like four miles this
628:31 know. I walked like four miles this morning before the show too on my
628:33 morning before the show too on my treadmill because I was hoping to head
628:34 treadmill because I was hoping to head this off at the pass. Uh, and it didn't
628:36 this off at the pass. Uh, and it didn't work. I'm still
628:37 work. I'm still >> I'm still feeling really stiff.
628:39 >> I'm still feeling really stiff. >> Um,
628:40 >> Um, >> I donked my neck up real bad on some
628:41 >> I donked my neck up real bad on some roller coasters a couple of weekends ago
628:43 roller coasters a couple of weekends ago and uh I'm still still suffering from it
628:46 and uh I'm still still suffering from it and I recently went and had somebody rub
628:49 and I recently went and had somebody rub at it for a second and they just started
628:50 at it for a second and they just started like grabbing my neck and it popped like
628:52 like grabbing my neck and it popped like four times just starting to relax a tiny
628:54 four times just starting to relax a tiny bit and it feels so crazy.
628:56 bit and it feels so crazy. >> Uh, $10
628:59 >> Uh, $10 >> from Joshua Everett. Uh, if I were a
629:01 >> from Joshua Everett. Uh, if I were a carpenter, I'd hammer on my piglet eyes,
629:04 carpenter, I'd hammer on my piglet eyes, collect the $7, and I'd buy a big
629:06 collect the $7, and I'd buy a big prosthetic forehead and wear it on my
629:08 prosthetic forehead and wear it on my real head. Everybody wants prosthetic
629:10 real head. Everybody wants prosthetic foreheads on their real heads. What the
629:12 foreheads on their real heads. What the [ __ ] am I reading? What's going on?
629:15 [ __ ] am I reading? What's going on? >> You're supposed to be You're supposed to
629:16 >> You're supposed to be You're supposed to be singing it. See, it's got the music.
629:18 be singing it. See, it's got the music. >> If I was a carpenter, I'd hammer on my
629:21 >> If I was a carpenter, I'd hammer on my piglet eyes. What the [ __ ] is it,
629:23 piglet eyes. What the [ __ ] is it, though? I don't understand.
629:25 though? I don't understand. >> But to the tune of what? Okay, we got
629:27 >> But to the tune of what? Okay, we got five Canadian dollars from Reverend Nate
629:29 five Canadian dollars from Reverend Nate 2735. GG doing hot knives on the live
629:31 2735. GG doing hot knives on the live stream. Peak primate tool usage. This is
629:34 stream. Peak primate tool usage. This is true. Hot thing cut is like a it's a
629:37 true. Hot thing cut is like a it's a very um it satisfies a very primal urge
629:39 very um it satisfies a very primal urge of mine.
629:42 of mine. >> Uh $20 from You should come dissect a da
629:46 >> Uh $20 from You should come dissect a da da da da da da da da da da with me.
629:47 da da da da da da da da da with me. You'd love it. Uh $20 from Jumar Richie.
629:52 You'd love it. Uh $20 from Jumar Richie. Um I love when you both are on Forest
629:54 Um I love when you both are on Forest and Erica for president. You're our only
629:56 and Erica for president. You're our only hope. Uh it all rests in your hands.
630:00 hope. Uh it all rests in your hands. Please and J please add Jimmy Ardan and
630:04 Please and J please add Jimmy Ardan and Mr. Dillah Hunty to your cabinet. I
630:06 Mr. Dillah Hunty to your cabinet. I don't think they want to live in my
630:07 don't think they want to live in my cabinets. My cabinets aren't that big.
630:09 cabinets. My cabinets aren't that big. >> I really I really think people who say
630:11 >> I really I really think people who say this don't understand the nonfunctional
630:13 this don't understand the nonfunctional aspects of being either of us. Like
630:15 aspects of being either of us. Like there are actually like massive massive
630:18 there are actually like massive massive negatives. I'll speak for myself. I have
630:20 negatives. I'll speak for myself. I have massive personality flaws that would
630:22 massive personality flaws that would keep me from being a good president. I'm
630:24 keep me from being a good president. I'm simply I can't keep track of anything.
630:26 simply I can't keep track of anything. I've tried planners. I've tried
630:27 I've tried planners. I've tried everything. I do reminders. I can't keep
630:29 everything. I do reminders. I can't keep track of anything. I would miss every
630:31 track of anything. I would miss every meeting. Um, ask the hosts of the line
630:34 meeting. Um, ask the hosts of the line how they have to hunt me down and
630:35 how they have to hunt me down and sometimes I still miss my own shows. And
630:37 sometimes I still miss my own shows. And the same thing happens with meetings at
630:39 the same thing happens with meetings at school. The same thing happens with with
630:41 school. The same thing happens with with class. Like I I'm a mess. I'm an
630:42 class. Like I I'm a mess. I'm an absolute mess. I'd be a horrible
630:44 absolute mess. I'd be a horrible president. But I would be a really
630:45 president. But I would be a really excellent
630:47 excellent part-time adviser to some boards. So,
630:51 part-time adviser to some boards. So, they should hire me for that.
630:53 they should hire me for that. >> Yeah. If I if you can find a way for me
630:54 >> Yeah. If I if you can find a way for me to like cram for an exam or write an
630:57 to like cram for an exam or write an entire essay in a night or anything else
631:00 entire essay in a night or anything else like whatever the equivalent of that is
631:02 like whatever the equivalent of that is to like leading a country, I'd be great
631:04 to like leading a country, I'd be great at it. Uh five bucks from Chief 667. Uh
631:09 at it. Uh five bucks from Chief 667. Uh thank you all for the never- ending live
631:11 thank you all for the never- ending live streams. Trul truly amazing work from
631:13 streams. Trul truly amazing work from the whole team. It could be a never a
631:15 the whole team. It could be a never a never- ending live stream, but Ardan is
631:17 never- ending live stream, but Ardan is too selfish.
631:18 too selfish. >> Some people are preventing it from being
631:20 >> Some people are preventing it from being the case, but that's okay. We
631:22 the case, but that's okay. We >> We can't all be This is This is one of
631:24 >> We can't all be This is This is one of our
631:24 our >> I will not sit here and be bullied by a
631:26 >> I will not sit here and be bullied by a [ __ ] furry and some fake fugitive.
631:31 [ __ ] furry and some fake fugitive. >> Take it easy, Ardan.
631:34 >> Take it easy, Ardan. >> Then the jets, madam.
631:37 >> Then the jets, madam. >> All I'm saying is that
631:41 >> All I'm saying is that >> you don't have to be here. You just have
631:43 >> you don't have to be here. You just have to let the stream run and let us do
631:45 to let the stream run and let us do whatever the [ __ ] we want to do. Open
631:46 whatever the [ __ ] we want to do. Open the lines up and and then go to bed and
631:48 the lines up and and then go to bed and relax. We'll be here when you wake up.
631:50 relax. We'll be here when you wake up. >> Yeah. Do the deck super chat then. Send
631:52 >> Yeah. Do the deck super chat then. Send the next super chat for us on your own.
631:54 the next super chat for us on your own. >> Ardan, because you won't let me.
631:56 >> Ardan, because you won't let me. >> You [ __ ] can.
631:58 >> You [ __ ] can. >> Oh, really?
631:59 >> Oh, really? >> Put it on my skin. It's all I have. All
632:02 >> Put it on my skin. It's all I have. All I have is this. That's all I can do.
632:11 >> Put it on that thing. >> Dude, that one is so loud. You got to
632:14 >> Dude, that one is so loud. You got to turn the volume down on that last one.
632:16 turn the volume down on that last one. >> This one?
632:17 >> This one? >> Uh, 94.
632:19 >> Uh, 94. No, not that one. The air horn.
632:22 No, not that one. The air horn. >> No, no. What? This one?
632:25 >> No, no. What? This one? >> That one's okay. I like the vine boom.
632:27 >> That one's okay. I like the vine boom. You know what? Can I tell you? Can I
632:28 You know what? Can I tell you? Can I tell you something humiliating that
632:30 tell you something humiliating that happened to me one time? One time.
632:31 happened to me one time? One time. >> Hell yeah.
632:32 >> Hell yeah. >> This is actually This is act like
632:34 >> This is actually This is act like actually one of my great YouTuber shames
632:37 actually one of my great YouTuber shames and I'm sharing it with all of you. So
632:39 and I'm sharing it with all of you. So enjoy. One time I was doing a premiere
632:42 enjoy. One time I was doing a premiere and I very rarely do premieres. I I I'm
632:45 and I very rarely do premieres. I I I'm not um I'm not good enough for sitting
632:48 not um I'm not good enough for sitting and answering questions in the chat to
632:49 and answering questions in the chat to do them very often, but I was doing this
632:51 do them very often, but I was doing this premiere one time. It was a part of my
632:52 premiere one time. It was a part of my big debunking Jeffrey Tommpkins series.
632:54 big debunking Jeffrey Tommpkins series. And you can actually watch this happen.
632:56 And you can actually watch this happen. You can like do the playback on this
632:58 You can like do the playback on this video. It was the one that's Jeff the
633:00 video. It was the one that's Jeff the final nail in the Tom and the final nail
633:01 final nail in the Tom and the final nail in the coffin for Jeffrey Tomkins. And
633:03 in the coffin for Jeffrey Tomkins. And as this video is premiering, who should
633:06 as this video is premiering, who should show up in the chat? But Dan Olsen from
633:09 show up in the chat? But Dan Olsen from Folding Ideas, he shows up in my chat.
633:11 Folding Ideas, he shows up in my chat. And I know it was actually him because
633:13 And I know it was actually him because he emailed me afterwards because he was
633:14 he emailed me afterwards because he was he was currently making his Mantra's um
633:16 he was currently making his Mantra's um Puxy footprints video which is about
633:19 Puxy footprints video which is about young earth creationism.
633:21 young earth creationism. And he was like complimentary about the
633:24 And he was like complimentary about the video until I had a Vine boom play like
633:27 video until I had a Vine boom play like like several times in quick succession.
633:29 like several times in quick succession. And he was like, "Wow, that's a really
633:30 And he was like, "Wow, that's a really irritating sound. Like why is this in
633:32 irritating sound. Like why is this in the video?" And I was like, "Okay, I
633:33 the video?" And I was like, "Okay, I guess I'll I guess I'll die." Like, I
633:35 guess I'll I guess I'll die." Like, I guess I'll just walk directly underneath
633:38 guess I'll just walk directly underneath the cement mixer and let it fall and
633:40 the cement mixer and let it fall and crush my fragile body. I couldn't It was
633:42 crush my fragile body. I couldn't It was humiliating. I think about it all the
633:44 humiliating. I think about it all the time. I I hope he I hope he never sees
633:46 time. I I hope he I hope he never sees this. I hope he doesn't know because it
633:47 this. I hope he doesn't know because it was humiliating for me.
633:49 was humiliating for me. >> I uh I literally um I just got my I
633:53 >> I uh I literally um I just got my I remember last time I was doing a
633:54 remember last time I was doing a molecular genetics exam during the
633:56 molecular genetics exam during the stream and I was like, I have to be done
633:58 stream and I was like, I have to be done with this cuz I have to do the thing. Um
634:00 with this cuz I have to do the thing. Um I that professor my genetics professor
634:03 I that professor my genetics professor uh emailed me and said hey I really
634:06 uh emailed me and said hey I really liked your lecture um because I gave a
634:08 liked your lecture um because I gave a lecture for undergrad students on
634:09 lecture for undergrad students on understanding evolution and he was like
634:11 understanding evolution and he was like hey I came to your lecture loved it your
634:12 hey I came to your lecture loved it your passion was great you really had a lot
634:14 passion was great you really had a lot of animation maybe say crap a lot less
634:17 of animation maybe say crap a lot less because apparently absent-mindedly that
634:20 because apparently absent-mindedly that was just every other [ __ ] word for me
634:23 was just every other [ __ ] word for me it happens and Cyrus if you're still
634:25 it happens and Cyrus if you're still listening this is part of that thick
634:26 listening this is part of that thick skin thing because this happens all the
634:30 skin thing because this happens all the time. Lest we revisit Forest when I got
634:32 time. Lest we revisit Forest when I got that email about the voice coach about
634:35 that email about the voice coach about about how my voice is too irritating and
634:37 about how my voice is too irritating and I need to hire a voice coach. I was
634:41 I need to hire a voice coach. I was >> wow directly directly directly into the
634:44 >> wow directly directly directly into the heart. But thank you. Thank you.
634:45 heart. But thank you. Thank you. >> I get them all the time. I get them all
634:47 >> I get them all the time. I get them all the time about how I have a terrible
634:48 the time about how I have a terrible haircut, how I'm obnoxious, how I need
634:50 haircut, how I'm obnoxious, how I need to calm down, how I need to quit
634:52 to calm down, how I need to quit flailing my arms, how I need to quit
634:53 flailing my arms, how I need to quit saying like all the time, how I need to
634:55 saying like all the time, how I need to quit cursing all the time and blah blah
634:57 quit cursing all the time and blah blah blah. Just [ __ ] dude. I'm I'm not just
634:59 blah. Just [ __ ] dude. I'm I'm not just You just got to be you, dude. You got to
635:01 You just got to be you, dude. You got to be you all day long. $5 from Eric Sto. I
635:05 be you all day long. $5 from Eric Sto. I started 6 hours behind listening at 3x
635:07 started 6 hours behind listening at 3x speed. If my time travel hypothesis is
635:10 speed. If my time travel hypothesis is correct, my stream should uh my streams
635:12 correct, my stream should uh my streams end, you'll get to get a super chat from
635:15 end, you'll get to get a super chat from the future. Neat.
635:18 the future. Neat. >> That's pretty cool. We've got $5 from
635:21 >> That's pretty cool. We've got $5 from Bramley CX anxiety at the mosh pit.
635:25 Bramley CX anxiety at the mosh pit. That's so true. Instead of panic at the
635:28 That's so true. Instead of panic at the disco, fear and dread at the mosh pit.
635:33 disco, fear and dread at the mosh pit. >> $5 from greeneyed lady. Uh, women still
635:38 >> $5 from greeneyed lady. Uh, women still have to wear suits with skirts when they
635:39 have to wear suits with skirts when they appear at the Supreme Court, even when
635:41 appear at the Supreme Court, even when they are just guests of the attorneys.
635:43 they are just guests of the attorneys. That's crazy. That's crazy, y'all.
635:48 That's crazy. That's crazy, y'all. >> Straight up. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Let
635:51 >> Straight up. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Let me read this. Let me read this. Let make
635:52 me read this. Let me read this. Let make sure this is wet. Um,
635:56 sure this is wet. Um, what does this say?
635:58 what does this say? Okay, I don't know if this is ironic or
636:00 Okay, I don't know if this is ironic or not, but there there's somebody in chat
636:03 not, but there there's somebody in chat who said, "I'm so I'm so happy that AI
636:06 who said, "I'm so I'm so happy that AI will do the science. 14,000 years of
636:09 will do the science. 14,000 years of intelligence every day. Erica enforced
636:11 intelligence every day. Erica enforced will be homeless trying to get in at
636:14 will be homeless trying to get in at McDonald's." That
636:22 >> stoird chill out. What the [ __ ] >> What the [ __ ] Where is that? Oh my god.
636:24 >> What the [ __ ] Where is that? Oh my god. >> Such a weird thing to say, my friend.
636:26 >> Such a weird thing to say, my friend. Why would you say that?
636:27 Why would you say that? >> Oh, I think I think this is the same
636:29 >> Oh, I think I think this is the same person who's just been trolling in chat
636:31 person who's just been trolling in chat the whole time talking about I identify
636:33 the whole time talking about I identify as this and that and then refuse to call
636:34 as this and that and then refuse to call in. I think they're just looking for
636:35 in. I think they're just looking for reactions
636:36 reactions >> that Well, they got it from me because
636:39 >> that Well, they got it from me because saying that AI is the future of silent
636:41 saying that AI is the future of silent of science and that scientists will be
636:44 of science and that scientists will be trying to get into McDonald's.
636:45 trying to get into McDonald's. >> Yeah. Yes. They're they're still in the
636:47 >> Yeah. Yes. They're they're still in the chat saying a AI will do science and
636:49 chat saying a AI will do science and peer review itself. Yeah, like it's that
636:51 peer review itself. Yeah, like it's that is an apocalyptically stupid take. They
636:54 is an apocalyptically stupid take. They are trying to be silly. Yes.
636:56 are trying to be silly. Yes. >> Also also I'm I'm really sorry. I could
637:00 >> Also also I'm I'm really sorry. I could definitely get I could definitely if I
637:02 definitely get I could definitely if I couldn't do this. I could definitely get
637:04 couldn't do this. I could definitely get a job at a restaurant. I've worked at a
637:05 a job at a restaurant. I've worked at a restaurant before. I could get a job
637:07 restaurant before. I could get a job working at and I could get a job working
637:08 working at and I could get a job working at McDonald's for sure. My If you What?
637:10 at McDonald's for sure. My If you What? You think I can't You think I can't do
637:12 You think I can't You think I can't do that? You think I'm incapable? What? Do
637:13 that? You think I'm incapable? What? Do I not have hands? Do I not have a brain?
637:16 I not have hands? Do I not have a brain? Anyways, go get the timer. So the the
637:19 Anyways, go get the timer. So the the the person who asked, "Do I have a
637:20 the person who asked, "Do I have a Wilhelm screen?" No, but I have this.
637:24 Wilhelm screen?" No, but I have this. >> I [ __ ] love that sound, dude.
637:26 >> I [ __ ] love that sound, dude. >> I like how it's even got the fade out.
637:28 >> I like how it's even got the fade out. $5 for Michael Tony 9525. This reminds
637:31 $5 for Michael Tony 9525. This reminds me of the people claiming to be
637:32 me of the people claiming to be colorblind regarding race. It ignores
637:34 colorblind regarding race. It ignores the struggles that different genders
637:35 the struggles that different genders experience. We need equity first.
637:38 experience. We need equity first. >> Yeah, the um I'm trying to remember what
637:40 >> Yeah, the um I'm trying to remember what this I think this was with the gender
637:42 this I think this was with the gender abolition stuff. Um,
637:44 abolition stuff. Um, >> yeah,
637:45 >> yeah, >> I think I think a lot of it, well, I
637:47 >> I think I think a lot of it, well, I think I don't know that all of it does,
637:48 think I don't know that all of it does, but I think a lot of it comes from a
637:49 but I think a lot of it comes from a good place. Um, but
637:53 good place. Um, but good, you know, good intentions, the the
637:56 good, you know, good intentions, the the pathway to hell paved by good intentions
637:58 pathway to hell paved by good intentions and all that.
638:00 and all that. >> Yeah.
638:02 >> Yeah. >> Your turn.
638:03 >> Your turn. >> What happens when the timer ends is what
638:05 >> What happens when the timer ends is what I want to know. Does the if the timer
638:06 I want to know. Does the if the timer ends, does the stream just stop before
638:08 ends, does the stream just stop before we get to the next chat? Is that what
638:09 we get to the next chat? Is that what it's all about?
638:10 it's all about? >> Yep. The whole stream stops. All these
638:12 >> Yep. The whole stream stops. All these people wasted their money and it's your
638:13 people wasted their money and it's your fault.
638:15 fault. >> Five bucks of lasagna is the most
638:17 >> Five bucks of lasagna is the most persuasive of all the pastas. I don't
638:19 persuasive of all the pastas. I don't see why Ardan wouldn't accept this as
638:21 see why Ardan wouldn't accept this as payment, right? That's what I'm saying.
638:25 payment, right? That's what I'm saying. >> No, it's got ricotta in it. I don't like
638:26 >> No, it's got ricotta in it. I don't like it. $10 for Mark Goat 2024. Pane is the
638:29 it. $10 for Mark Goat 2024. Pane is the better pasta. I support Ardan's demand
638:30 better pasta. I support Ardan's demand for higher quality noodle bribery. I
638:32 for higher quality noodle bribery. I actually concur with that. I'm not a
638:34 actually concur with that. I'm not a lasagna fan. Like I said earlier, it's
638:36 lasagna fan. Like I said earlier, it's got the gritty cheese in it. It's kind
638:38 got the gritty cheese in it. It's kind of gross.
638:40 of gross. $20 from Raise a Village. Uh, I'm sorry
638:44 $20 from Raise a Village. Uh, I'm sorry I could not be here for the entire show,
638:46 I could not be here for the entire show, but I must toss in some money in your
638:48 but I must toss in some money in your hats for doing this all day. Great job.
638:50 hats for doing this all day. Great job. What did the pigeon say to the statue?
638:53 What did the pigeon say to the statue? Hardong me. Do you have any gray poop on
638:56 Hardong me. Do you have any gray poop on you?
638:58 you? What does that mean?
639:00 What does that mean? >> Be gone, Ray. Even you couldn't even win
639:02 >> Be gone, Ray. Even you couldn't even win forest over with that joke. Do you know
639:04 forest over with that joke. Do you know how low that bar is? Shame on you.
639:06 how low that bar is? Shame on you. >> $10 from the Ultimo. It probably made
639:09 >> $10 from the Ultimo. It probably made sense. He's probably just got soup in
639:11 sense. He's probably just got soup in right now. I also do. So,
639:13 right now. I also do. So, >> Nerve asks, "Are we still taking calls?"
639:15 >> Nerve asks, "Are we still taking calls?" We [ __ ] should be is what I'm saying.
639:22 >> You know the price. Don't make me say it again.
639:23 again. >> Lasagna. I'm trying.
639:25 >> Lasagna. I'm trying. >> We lead a really tough life. Not Not
639:28 >> We lead a really tough life. Not Not everybody can hack it.
639:30 everybody can hack it. >> I got $10 from the Ultimo. I lost the
639:32 >> I got $10 from the Ultimo. I lost the call for some reason, but I wanted to
639:34 call for some reason, but I wanted to support you all. Thank you for what you
639:35 support you all. Thank you for what you do. All it's very important. Also make
639:37 do. All it's very important. Also make more reacteria. Yeah, Forest make more
639:40 more reacteria. Yeah, Forest make more reacteria.
639:42 reacteria. >> Gray poopon. Gray pupon mustard.
639:46 >> Gray poopon. Gray pupon mustard. That's what it is.
639:48 That's what it is. >> Oh wow. Okay, I get it.
639:50 >> Oh wow. Okay, I get it. >> Also, I am making more reactia. Uh
639:53 >> Also, I am making more reactia. Uh because uh [ __ ] somebody sent me that
639:54 because uh [ __ ] somebody sent me that Ray Comfort video and then somebody else
639:57 Ray Comfort video and then somebody else sent me a link to where Ray Comfort
639:58 sent me a link to where Ray Comfort still has it up. It's just unlisted.
640:00 still has it up. It's just unlisted. They unlisted the video. Why would they
640:03 They unlisted the video. Why would they unlist it, y'all? So, I have downloaded
640:05 unlist it, y'all? So, I have downloaded it now and taken lots of screenshots so
640:07 it now and taken lots of screenshots so they can't hide it from me any further.
640:08 they can't hide it from me any further. And that will be coming out probably in
640:10 And that will be coming out probably in December.
640:13 December. >> Thank you, Ray.
640:14 >> Thank you, Ray. >> Oh my god, he's It is such a [ __ ]
640:17 >> Oh my god, he's It is such a [ __ ] funny video. Uh, five bucks from Alish
640:18 funny video. Uh, five bucks from Alish on a a silver bow. People say that
640:20 on a a silver bow. People say that science and religion don't go together,
640:22 science and religion don't go together, but if it wasn't for DNA evidence, the
640:24 but if it wasn't for DNA evidence, the priest wouldn't have been arrested.
640:26 priest wouldn't have been arrested. That's what I'm talking about right
640:28 That's what I'm talking about right there.
640:29 there. you.
640:32 you. We got 999 from Hannah Hodkins. Hoping
640:34 We got 999 from Hannah Hodkins. Hoping monad color Daniel calls in tonight.
640:36 monad color Daniel calls in tonight. Come on, chat. We need that monad energy
640:38 Come on, chat. We need that monad energy in the chat. Woot woot. Ardan, here's
640:40 in the chat. Woot woot. Ardan, here's $5,000 personally from me to open a
640:43 $5,000 personally from me to open a line. Yeah, if we had got
640:46 line. Yeah, if we had got the color, that would have been
640:47 the color, that would have been incredible.
640:49 incredible. >> Hannah Hodkins up in here trying to save
640:51 >> Hannah Hodkins up in here trying to save the stream and Ardan still won't let it
640:53 the stream and Ardan still won't let it happen. $10 from Ash Ray. Thank you,
640:55 happen. $10 from Ash Ray. Thank you, Forest, Erica, Luxander, and Ardan for
640:58 Forest, Erica, Luxander, and Ardan for choosing to spend your Saturday with us.
641:00 choosing to spend your Saturday with us. Oh, also, one more call. That's what I'm
641:04 Oh, also, one more call. That's what I'm talking about. One more. One more. One
641:07 talking about. One more. One more. One more. One more.
641:10 more. One more. >> Oh, no.
641:11 >> Oh, no. >> What? What if What if we just would have
641:12 >> What? What if What if we just would have just opened it now and see if anybody
641:14 just opened it now and see if anybody even does call in? You know what I mean?
641:16 even does call in? You know what I mean? Maybe nobody will. Maybe nobody will.
641:18 Maybe nobody will. Maybe nobody will. What if we wait only
641:20 What if we wait only >> only uh it has to be a theist and they
641:23 >> only uh it has to be a theist and they have to be some sort of science denier
641:25 have to be some sort of science denier and if it's not a theist arguing against
641:27 and if it's not a theist arguing against evolution trans people vaccines
641:30 evolution trans people vaccines something then we don't take it that's
641:31 something then we don't take it that's the only call we can take sayh
641:36 the only call we can take sayh come on just give us give us a little
641:38 come on just give us give us a little something little something
641:41 something little something >> and she's putting it over your face too
641:43 >> and she's putting it over your face too >> we are trans I'm not even the one who's
641:45 >> we are trans I'm not even the one who's saying it come on I'm not even the one
641:46 saying it come on I'm not even the one goating you they're Transing the
641:48 goating you they're Transing the disciplines, ye gods. Yeah, I know. When
641:50 disciplines, ye gods. Yeah, I know. When you said transdisciplinary forced, I was
641:51 you said transdisciplinary forced, I was like, "Oh, a Republican somewhere just
641:54 like, "Oh, a Republican somewhere just had a heart attack."
641:55 had a heart attack." >> Yeah, dude. [ __ ] JK rolling out here.
641:58 >> Yeah, dude. [ __ ] JK rolling out here. [ __ ] You want me to invest in public
642:00 [ __ ] You want me to invest in public what portation? Uh, $5 from space
642:04 what portation? Uh, $5 from space barbarian 3484. I took a lasers class in
642:08 barbarian 3484. I took a lasers class in grad school. It was pretty dope. It let
642:10 grad school. It was pretty dope. It let me understand the jargon in the movie
642:12 me understand the jargon in the movie Real Genius. I expected that to be a
642:15 Real Genius. I expected that to be a joke. And here we are.
642:18 joke. And here we are. God bless.
642:20 God bless. We got 99
642:23 We got 99 more call. One more call for genocide
642:26 more call. One more call for genocide denier Johan or whatever his name is.
642:28 denier Johan or whatever his name is. Chatting be prepared to do anything for
642:30 Chatting be prepared to do anything for another line. JK. Not really. See,
642:32 another line. JK. Not really. See, here's the thing, Hannah. As much as I
642:33 here's the thing, Hannah. As much as I do think we should open up another line,
642:35 do think we should open up another line, that guy will never call in.
642:37 that guy will never call in. >> These kinds of people,
642:38 >> These kinds of people, >> they will not call in. I promise you.
642:40 >> they will not call in. I promise you. Like, and and that's why Force was like,
642:42 Like, and and that's why Force was like, "We would take another theist and not
642:43 "We would take another theist and not this guy because there's no way he would
642:45 this guy because there's no way he would ever call in. He doesn't have the
642:48 ever call in. He doesn't have the >> It's not gonna happen.
642:50 >> It's not gonna happen. >> Yeah, you need a spine, a brain, and a
642:53 >> Yeah, you need a spine, a brain, and a heart. And And genocide deniers have
642:56 heart. And And genocide deniers have these things. Uh, do not. Uh, I That was
642:59 these things. Uh, do not. Uh, I That was a sentence. What the [ __ ] did I just
643:01 a sentence. What the [ __ ] did I just say? Uh, 20 Canadian dollars from
643:03 say? Uh, 20 Canadian dollars from perform
643:06 perform #monad.
643:08 #monad. The people want the what the people
643:10 The people want the what the people want. The the audience is begging.
643:11 want. The the audience is begging. They're spending $20. $20. We've raised
643:14 They're spending $20. $20. We've raised over a $100 by now. People begging,
643:17 over a $100 by now. People begging, begging for one more line. Just want a
643:19 begging for one more line. Just want a little a little bit little crumbs.
643:21 little a little bit little crumbs. Little crumbs. Little little bit more.
643:23 Little crumbs. Little little bit more. Little bit more. And Ardan won't do it.
643:26 Little bit more. And Ardan won't do it. >> The pleading emoji as well. So sad.
643:29 >> The pleading emoji as well. So sad. >> Look at that. Look at that.
643:31 >> Look at that. Look at that. >> We got $9.99 from Outwitted by a fish.
643:35 >> We got $9.99 from Outwitted by a fish. As stamp collecting goes, biology isn't
643:37 As stamp collecting goes, biology isn't a bad choice. Boo. Boo.
643:42 a bad choice. Boo. Boo. That's a That's biology failing. I will
643:44 That's a That's biology failing. I will take none of it.
643:45 take none of it. >> Lame.
643:47 >> Lame. >> Correct.
643:49 >> Correct. >> That dude does not have the the
643:51 >> That dude does not have the the testicular fortitude person in chat. I
643:53 testicular fortitude person in chat. I agree. What What is the threshold? Like
643:55 agree. What What is the threshold? Like is it $500 and then we open one more
643:57 is it $500 and then we open one more line? Is it like $1,000 and we open one
643:59 line? Is it like $1,000 and we open one more line? They paid $50,000 for the
644:01 more line? They paid $50,000 for the stream. What's What's the
644:02 stream. What's What's the >> They paid $50,000 for a stream from
644:04 >> They paid $50,000 for a stream from 12:00 p.m. Central time to 10 p.m.
644:06 12:00 p.m. Central time to 10 p.m. Central time. It is currently central
644:09 Central time. It is currently central time. Where did we specify that both of
644:11 time. Where did we specify that both of those were centrals is what I want to
644:13 those were centrals is what I want to know because
644:14 know because >> we can given up one day off
644:19 >> we can given up one day off [ __ ] not in the fun way.
644:22 [ __ ] not in the fun way. >> 12:00 p.m. Central's time to 10 p.m.
644:25 >> 12:00 p.m. Central's time to 10 p.m. >> Pacific time is what I'm saying is is
644:26 >> Pacific time is what I'm saying is is what we should have agreed to. 9.99 from
644:29 what we should have agreed to. 9.99 from Tuttle. Um, have either of you heard of
644:32 Tuttle. Um, have either of you heard of the Ozark or Eastern Hellbender? [ __ ]
644:34 the Ozark or Eastern Hellbender? [ __ ] yeah. They're like one of my favorite
644:35 yeah. They're like one of my favorite animals. If so, why in the world are
644:37 animals. If so, why in the world are they in the handful of rivers in North
644:39 they in the handful of rivers in North America and nowhere else? Same reason
644:41 America and nowhere else? Same reason axelottals are, dude. Because they're
644:44 axelottals are, dude. Because they're just [ __ ] isolated. Because they got
644:46 just [ __ ] isolated. Because they got geographically boxed in and isolated and
644:48 geographically boxed in and isolated and now they can't go anywhere else.
644:50 now they can't go anywhere else. >> What's cool is that you do have big
644:53 >> What's cool is that you do have big salamanderesque
644:55 salamanderesque type amphibian living in a whole lot of
644:58 type amphibian living in a whole lot of places. You got the m, you have the
645:01 places. You got the m, you have the axelottle, you have the Japanese
645:03 axelottle, you have the Japanese salamander. There are other giant
645:04 salamander. There are other giant salamanders in Asia. You got the hell
645:06 salamanders in Asia. You got the hell bender here. There are a handful of
645:08 bender here. There are a handful of other pretty big salamander type
645:09 other pretty big salamander type critters that I don't know because I
645:11 critters that I don't know because I don't study them, but um there's a niche
645:13 don't study them, but um there's a niche for them, but it seems like they as
645:15 for them, but it seems like they as Forest said, they like get squirreled
645:17 Forest said, they like get squirreled away into their own little areas and
645:19 away into their own little areas and then they get super isolated and then
645:20 then they get super isolated and then they evolve and really interesting in
645:22 they evolve and really interesting in weird ways, but their niches never go
645:24 weird ways, but their niches never go away, right? So, they thrive as long as
645:26 away, right? So, they thrive as long as they're there. It's just I think they're
645:27 they're there. It's just I think they're also quite sensitive to changes in the
645:29 also quite sensitive to changes in the environment. We have 30
645:32 environment. We have 30 >> as salamanders are dollars from Fishy.
645:34 >> as salamanders are dollars from Fishy. Oh, hey Fishy from Fishy25. That's
645:37 Oh, hey Fishy from Fishy25. That's Malaysian dollars. Malaysian rupees I
645:38 Malaysian dollars. Malaysian rupees I believe from Fishy25252.
645:42 believe from Fishy25252. A super thank you to Forest, Erica,
645:44 A super thank you to Forest, Erica, Alexander, and Ardan for another stream
645:46 Alexander, and Ardan for another stream marathon. Also to the call screeners and
645:49 marathon. Also to the call screeners and the line. Thanks for taking my calls. A
645:50 the line. Thanks for taking my calls. A sides lover. You made my day. # one more
645:52 sides lover. You made my day. # one more call. Oh, Ardan and Fishy called in.
645:54 call. Oh, Ardan and Fishy called in. Fishy waited for like four hours.
645:57 Fishy waited for like four hours. >> Look at this.
646:03 >> Look at that. That's a That's a hellbender. This is a Chinese giant
646:05 hellbender. This is a Chinese giant salamander.
646:07 salamander. >> They're very
646:07 >> They're very >> And this is the chat over here. And this
646:10 >> And this is the chat over here. And this is the line over there. How great is
646:12 is the line over there. How great is that, y'all?
646:13 that, y'all? >> Brilliant.
646:16 >> Brilliant. >> Also, unironically, uh, Thunder just
646:18 >> Also, unironically, uh, Thunder just cracked. So, hopefully my power doesn't
646:20 cracked. So, hopefully my power doesn't go out while we finish the stream.
646:22 go out while we finish the stream. >> That would be a that would be a very
646:24 >> That would be a that would be a very funny way to end the stream.
646:25 funny way to end the stream. >> It would be kind of hilarious. Low key
646:27 >> It would be kind of hilarious. Low key hoping it happens, but
646:30 hoping it happens, but >> yeah,
646:30 >> yeah, >> a super thank you.
646:33 >> a super thank you. Was that do I read that one? 99.99 from
646:36 Was that do I read that one? 99.99 from Hannah Hajins. Uh confirmation of
646:39 Hannah Hajins. Uh confirmation of transfer of fund to Ardan Heart of the
646:42 transfer of fund to Ardan Heart of the Line. Confirm check to the line.
646:44 Line. Confirm check to the line. $36,000.
646:46 $36,000. Date 10:2525 at 7:55 p.m. Pacific time
646:49 Date 10:2525 at 7:55 p.m. Pacific time from Hannah Hajin. One more call. That's
646:52 from Hannah Hajin. One more call. That's what I'm talking about. That's the
646:53 what I'm talking about. That's the commitment.
646:54 commitment. >> I'm sorry. I do not accept fun. I only
646:56 >> I'm sorry. I do not accept fun. I only accept funds. I'm sorry. I don't know
646:59 accept funds. I'm sorry. I don't know what kind of [ __ ] you're sending.
647:00 what kind of [ __ ] you're sending. >> You had one job, Anna. God damn you.
647:04 >> You had one job, Anna. God damn you. >> You You straight up got some tomato soup
647:07 >> You You straight up got some tomato soup between those ears because you said
647:09 between those ears because you said Hannah a minute ago instead of the
647:11 Hannah a minute ago instead of the >> I did.
647:12 >> I did. >> I did that on B. I I was calling that
647:15 >> I did that on B. I I was calling that person Hannah Hodkins every time they
647:17 person Hannah Hodkins every time they chatted for a long time and then they
647:19 chatted for a long time and then they pointed out, "Hey, by the way, there's
647:20 pointed out, "Hey, by the way, there's no Jay in my last name. It's Hodgegens
647:22 no Jay in my last name. It's Hodgegens and it always has been." And it was just
647:24 and it always has been." And it was just a Mandela effect [ __ ] moment where I
647:26 a Mandela effect [ __ ] moment where I just invented this J. So I made it a
647:28 just invented this J. So I made it a point to mispronounce their name every
647:29 point to mispronounce their name every time I see it now. Hey,
647:32 time I see it now. Hey, >> it's not Hodkins. That's very
647:33 >> it's not Hodkins. That's very interesting. Good thing I've never done
647:35 interesting. Good thing I've never done that. Definitely. Uh 10 Canadian dollars
647:37 that. Definitely. Uh 10 Canadian dollars from pure form42 forced penultimate
647:39 from pure form42 forced penultimate call, right? Hashtag modad. I don't
647:42 call, right? Hashtag modad. I don't know. I'm just saying.
647:43 know. I'm just saying. >> I'm just saying.
647:45 >> I'm just saying. >> I am also just saying. And we are all
647:47 >> I am also just saying. And we are all just saying is what I am just saying.
647:50 just saying is what I am just saying. $10 from the Arcane Goat. Great show.
647:54 $10 from the Arcane Goat. Great show. Thank you for noticing.
648:00 Hypothetical. >> Hypothetical.
648:01 >> Hypothetical. We got
648:03 We got $6.99 Canadian dollars from Shyler Ker
648:05 $6.99 Canadian dollars from Shyler Ker guy. More word play than pun. I already
648:08 guy. More word play than pun. I already don't want to finish this, but
648:09 don't want to finish this, but intelligent design is explanatory
648:12 intelligent design is explanatory unnecessary. Divine teology imposed on
648:15 unnecessary. Divine teology imposed on explanatory explanatorily sufficient
648:18 explanatory explanatorily sufficient naturalist teonomy.
648:24 Thank you for that shy lurker guide. That was very helpful.
648:31 That's it's you got prime you got >> climate change denial and then
648:33 >> climate change denial and then creationism is primate change denial is
648:36 creationism is primate change denial is what it is. $10 from
648:41 what it is. $10 from >> Don't test me at this point. I I am I'm
648:44 >> Don't test me at this point. I I am I'm about to I'm about to ring through this
648:46 about to I'm about to ring through this screen and $10.
648:48 screen and $10. >> I did that in a video about [ __ ]
648:50 >> I did that in a video about [ __ ] Tucker Carlson once. Uh 10 bucks from
648:53 Tucker Carlson once. Uh 10 bucks from the negative commentator. Glad to be
648:55 the negative commentator. Glad to be here for 12 hours. Almost almost 12
648:59 here for 12 hours. Almost almost 12 hours. That close to what a dream. Um,
649:03 hours. That close to what a dream. Um, can't wait to see you tomorrow. Forest
649:06 can't wait to see you tomorrow. Forest and Erica, where could I find a gutsick
649:09 and Erica, where could I find a gutsick Gibbon? Also, Forest, the deadline for
649:11 Gibbon? Also, Forest, the deadline for the homework is uh 2036. [ __ ] yeah.
649:15 the homework is uh 2036. [ __ ] yeah. >> Oh no. Oh my god. I think he actually
649:17 >> Oh no. Oh my god. I think he actually might Force, you're going to want to get
649:18 might Force, you're going to want to get that done ahead of time because you
649:20 that done ahead of time because you actually are already um you're you're
649:22 actually are already um you're you're booked for that day on that year. Yeah.
649:24 booked for that day on that year. Yeah. for the whole year.
649:25 for the whole year. >> Getting getting a [ __ ] really dope
649:26 >> Getting getting a [ __ ] really dope fruits back fruit snack
649:28 fruits back fruit snack >> or basket.
649:30 >> or basket. >> Gutsy gibbons are all over the place.
649:32 >> Gutsy gibbons are all over the place. Anywhere I am, there is a gutsy given
649:35 Anywhere I am, there is a gutsy given >> in your heart as well.
649:37 >> in your heart as well. >> $20.
649:42 >> Oh my god. I would never don't even say that. That's not even funny. Forest, you
649:44 that. That's not even funny. Forest, you don't joke about [ __ ] like that. Empress
649:45 don't joke about [ __ ] like that. Empress lizard 81 for $20. Another round of
649:47 lizard 81 for $20. Another round of milkshakes for everyone on me. Banana
649:49 milkshakes for everyone on me. Banana milkshake. That's just That's actually a
649:53 milkshake. That's just That's actually a I didn't say that last time, but a milk
649:55 I didn't say that last time, but a milk a banana milkshake. That's a nutty pick
649:58 a banana milkshake. That's a nutty pick for a milkshake flavor. Of all the
650:00 for a milkshake flavor. Of all the flavors, banana,
650:02 flavors, banana, >> it's just such a It's not a It's not a
650:04 >> it's just such a It's not a It's not a tangy fruit, dude. And you got to have a
650:07 tangy fruit, dude. And you got to have a tangy chill. It's remarkably chill. Put
650:10 tangy chill. It's remarkably chill. Put put chocolate in it. This is banana with
650:11 put chocolate in it. This is banana with a little bit of chocolate and it's just
650:13 a little bit of chocolate and it's just [ __ ] chill. It's really nice.
650:15 [ __ ] chill. It's really nice. >> Dude, I Any kind of any kind of like
650:18 >> Dude, I Any kind of any kind of like fruit that doesn't have like a tang or a
650:20 fruit that doesn't have like a tang or a juice to it, I don't trust it. And
650:22 juice to it, I don't trust it. And bananas are so mushy. I eat them all the
650:24 bananas are so mushy. I eat them all the time. I had one on stream, but they're
650:26 time. I had one on stream, but they're really like my least favorite fruit. Oh,
650:28 really like my least favorite fruit. Oh, wait. This is
650:28 wait. This is >> bizarre. Bizarre in all ways. By the
650:31 >> bizarre. Bizarre in all ways. By the way, I tell you, I met some gibbons
650:32 way, I tell you, I met some gibbons recently. I was in Borneo and gibbons
650:34 recently. I was in Borneo and gibbons were abound, and it was [ __ ] awesome.
650:36 were abound, and it was [ __ ] awesome. >> Do you know what kind they were?
650:39 >> Do you know what kind they were? >> Uh, not a clue. They were a thousand
650:40 >> Uh, not a clue. They were a thousand feet up in a [ __ ] tree, but they were
650:42 feet up in a [ __ ] tree, but they were hooting and hollering and jumping all
650:44 hooting and hollering and jumping all around and they were awesome.
650:46 around and they were awesome. >> I got to meet a slow loris and a tar as
650:48 >> I got to meet a slow loris and a tar as well while I was there. And I actually
650:50 well while I was there. And I actually got to see those dudes and I lost my
650:52 got to see those dudes and I lost my [ __ ] [ __ ]
650:53 [ __ ] [ __ ] >> A loris is incredibly cool. You probably
650:56 >> A loris is incredibly cool. You probably saw this, but for those in the audience
650:57 saw this, but for those in the audience who don't know, um we did loris work
651:00 who don't know, um we did loris work with lorises in my undergrad when I was
651:01 with lorises in my undergrad when I was in Sakurat in Thailand. And lorises have
651:04 in Sakurat in Thailand. And lorises have a red topedum. Well, it's not a top
651:06 a red topedum. Well, it's not a top lucidum, but it's like their um retina
651:09 lucidum, but it's like their um retina reflects red instead of the blue that
651:12 reflects red instead of the blue that you usually see. So that's how you find
651:13 you usually see. So that's how you find them when you're herping around at night
651:15 them when you're herping around at night looking for
651:16 looking for >> red eyes in the wilderness. They're
651:18 >> red eyes in the wilderness. They're crazy. They're also the only venomous
651:20 crazy. They're also the only venomous primate in the world. How wild is that?
651:22 primate in the world. How wild is that? They're just so [ __ ] cool.
651:24 They're just so [ __ ] cool. >> They do that to
651:27 >> They do that to >> I love them.
651:28 >> I love them. >> What is this?
651:29 >> What is this? >> 20 bucks from Stephanie. Stephy Cath.
651:33 >> 20 bucks from Stephanie. Stephy Cath. Um, hey, I found 20 bucks. So, here's my
651:35 Um, hey, I found 20 bucks. So, here's my down payment on $36,000. 37. That's Hey,
651:38 down payment on $36,000. 37. That's Hey, that's proof. That's a down payment.
651:40 that's proof. That's a down payment. That's a thing that we can use to now
651:43 That's a thing that we can use to now open a line. Congratulations. You've
651:45 open a line. Congratulations. You've done it. and and surely Ardan will be
651:48 done it. and and surely Ardan will be sympathetic and and agree because she is
651:50 sympathetic and and agree because she is a good person
651:52 a good person >> who who agrees that money should be
651:55 >> who who agrees that money should be spent in in ways that matter and and
651:58 spent in in ways that matter and and believes in a free Palestine.
652:00 believes in a free Palestine. >> Come on.
652:02 >> Come on. Come on.
652:03 Come on. >> We got $5 from Thompcey
652:08 >> We got $5 from Thompcey 412. The tomato thing is actually
652:10 412. The tomato thing is actually because of the shipping legislation.
652:12 because of the shipping legislation. Really? Is that it? That's why we That's
652:16 Really? Is that it? That's why we That's hilarious. That actually does sound
652:17 hilarious. That actually does sound right. That's a classic.
652:19 right. That's a classic. >> Yeah. Is there a way that [ __ ]
652:21 >> Yeah. Is there a way that [ __ ] capitalism can make it dumb as all hell?
652:23 capitalism can make it dumb as all hell? That's probably what happened. It's why
652:25 That's probably what happened. It's why my [ __ ] DSLR I I record all my videos
652:28 my [ __ ] DSLR I I record all my videos on a DSLR camera that can only record
652:30 on a DSLR camera that can only record for 29 minutes and 29 seconds because
652:33 for 29 minutes and 29 seconds because any and 59 seconds because if it can
652:35 any and 59 seconds because if it can record video for more than 30 minutes
652:37 record video for more than 30 minutes consecutively, it's technically a
652:39 consecutively, it's technically a camcorder. So, it's taxed differently.
652:41 camcorder. So, it's taxed differently. Dumb as [ __ ] Uh 1999 from Farah Silas
652:46 Dumb as [ __ ] Uh 1999 from Farah Silas Sales I don't know man you're here and
652:48 Sales I don't know man you're here and you got a dog. Uh that dog sent 20 dogs
652:50 you got a dog. Uh that dog sent 20 dogs to say um the science on autophasey
652:54 to say um the science on autophasey seems to imply the process is beneficial
652:56 seems to imply the process is beneficial to cellular recycling and is triggered
652:58 to cellular recycling and is triggered by fasting, stress, exercise etc. Do we
653:01 by fasting, stress, exercise etc. Do we know why evolutionarily speaking why
653:03 know why evolutionarily speaking why that process is not always on?
653:12 >> I have no idea. I I mean my understanding my understanding would be
653:14 understanding my understanding would be or my guess not my understanding because
653:16 or my guess not my understanding because I don't understand it. My guess would be
653:18 I don't understand it. My guess would be that there's some
653:20 that there's some >> metabolic cost to it that isn't being
653:23 >> metabolic cost to it that isn't being appreciated, right? Like any anything
653:25 appreciated, right? Like any anything that is just a boon evolutionarily
653:27 that is just a boon evolutionarily typically proliferates pretty quickly.
653:30 typically proliferates pretty quickly. So there's got to be a metabolic catch.
653:32 So there's got to be a metabolic catch. I would wager.
653:34 I would wager. >> That'd be my guess.
653:34 >> That'd be my guess. >> Yeah. I
653:36 >> Yeah. I >> because autoasia is just it's it's it's
653:39 >> because autoasia is just it's it's it's like lysosomes, right? You're breaking
653:41 like lysosomes, right? You're breaking down un like old parts of cells and
653:43 down un like old parts of cells and you're recycling the pieces. As far as I
653:45 you're recycling the pieces. As far as I know, they they like they always do
653:47 know, they they like they always do that, don't they?
653:50 that, don't they? >> Oh, here we go.
653:53 >> Oh, here we go. >> No, it it it can it can be a problem
653:55 >> No, it it it can it can be a problem sometimes apparently.
653:58 sometimes apparently. Neat.
653:59 Neat. >> $20 from Arcane Go 2024. Good night
654:01 >> $20 from Arcane Go 2024. Good night everybody. Good night everybody. Trabard
654:04 everybody. Good night everybody. Trabard here forever. Hashtag
654:07 here forever. Hashtag >> surprise [ __ ] We have more super
654:09 >> surprise [ __ ] We have more super chats after that one.
654:11 chats after that one. >> Yeah, not quite.
654:14 >> Yeah, not quite. >> Ardan should have saved that one for
654:16 >> Ardan should have saved that one for last. Um, $20 from Eric Sto. Greetings
654:19 last. Um, $20 from Eric Sto. Greetings from the future. My experiment was a
654:21 from the future. My experiment was a success, but I overshot. Art inflation
654:24 success, but I overshot. Art inflation destroyed society. Send Zerba to 2195
654:27 destroyed society. Send Zerba to 2195 for a rescue mission.
654:30 for a rescue mission. >> Not Art Inflation. Bad tracks, though.
654:33 >> Not Art Inflation. Bad tracks, though. $20 from a loss 7. Awesome show. You two
654:35 $20 from a loss 7. Awesome show. You two same time next week. Only if Ardan's
654:37 same time next week. Only if Ardan's producing # trapart forever. Justice for
654:47 >> 20 bucks from Balthazar. >> 228.
654:49 >> 228. >> Would you would you think that is such a
654:51 >> Would you would you think that is such a nice thing that they said that you might
654:52 nice thing that they said that you might consider like giving them an extra line
654:54 consider like giving them an extra line as a as like a
654:56 as a as like a >> as a way to say thank you to them?
654:57 >> as a way to say thank you to them? >> I think it was a very sweet thing.
655:00 >> I think it was a very sweet thing. And if somebody voted for Zerbo DDS in
655:04 And if somebody voted for Zerbo DDS in this stream, I would advocate that they
655:05 this stream, I would advocate that they should have an extra line open just in
655:07 should have an extra line open just in their honor. $20 from Baltazar 228. It's
655:10 their honor. $20 from Baltazar 228. It's aliens feels like such an insult to
655:12 aliens feels like such an insult to people like my aunt who spent 50 plus
655:14 people like my aunt who spent 50 plus years working at SETI and the 50 plus
655:16 years working at SETI and the 50 plus years of 50 plus aerospace engineers who
655:19 years of 50 plus aerospace engineers who have been working on the hyper
655:20 have been working on the hyper maneuverable aircraft. Uh yeah, but have
655:23 maneuverable aircraft. Uh yeah, but have you considered the fact that they
655:24 you considered the fact that they haven't seen what's going to happen in
655:26 haven't seen what's going to happen in 10 years when a spacecraft may or may
655:29 10 years when a spacecraft may or may not land because some [ __ ] guy said
655:31 not land because some [ __ ] guy said so.
655:32 so. >> Have you considered that?
655:34 >> Have you considered that? >> Just you're just going to have to wait a
655:36 >> Just you're just going to have to wait a little bit longer. Trust
655:37 little bit longer. Trust >> your aunt's dumb as all hell or at least
655:39 >> your aunt's dumb as all hell or at least we can assume so for 10 years unless
655:42 we can assume so for 10 years unless maybe I'll get a fruit basket.
655:44 maybe I'll get a fruit basket. >> And then maybe actually your aunt was
655:46 >> And then maybe actually your aunt was right. 2099 from his Flynn. All y'all
655:50 right. 2099 from his Flynn. All y'all wanting this to go till midnight are
655:52 wanting this to go till midnight are acting like you don't have to get up and
655:53 acting like you don't have to get up and go to church in the morning. Hashtag
655:56 go to church in the morning. Hashtag free.
655:58 free. >> Actually, I have to go to dinner. My
656:01 >> Actually, I have to go to dinner. My adviser is hosting our entire lab at his
656:03 adviser is hosting our entire lab at his house for pizza tomorrow. So, I've got
656:05 house for pizza tomorrow. So, I've got to be brighteyed and bushy tailed
656:07 to be brighteyed and bushy tailed getting up at a reasonable hour so I can
656:09 getting up at a reasonable hour so I can get all my other [ __ ] done so I can go
656:11 get all my other [ __ ] done so I can go to that later. Um, what is this? Oh,
656:14 to that later. Um, what is this? Oh, yeah. We got 20 pounds from the fuzzy
656:16 yeah. We got 20 pounds from the fuzzy logic. Greetings. Greetings from the QED
656:19 logic. Greetings. Greetings from the QED science and skepticism conference in the
656:21 science and skepticism conference in the Manchester Great Brit
656:24 Manchester Great Brit about countering suicides, but I got
656:26 about countering suicides, but I got distract America's juice candle. Never
656:28 distract America's juice candle. Never stop learning, I guess. Yeah, I just so
656:30 stop learning, I guess. Yeah, I just so you guys can see it did it did dry and
656:33 you guys can see it did it did dry and it looks a little better, right? It
656:35 it looks a little better, right? It could look worse. Um, but it's still it
656:39 could look worse. Um, but it's still it could look a lot better, too. We're
656:40 could look a lot better, too. We're going to have to get some purples and
656:42 going to have to get some purples and some oranges on that boy ASAP.
656:49 This one's you. >> $20 from Never Had a Bedet. I think a
656:51 >> $20 from Never Had a Bedet. I think a 24-hour Forest America Dream would be
656:53 24-hour Forest America Dream would be awesome. I always learn so much. Ardan
656:55 awesome. I always learn so much. Ardan should probably be the sole producer.
656:57 should probably be the sole producer. Now you're speaking my language. Now
656:59 Now you're speaking my language. Now we're talking.
657:01 we're talking. >> At least for the first 12 hours. $20
657:04 >> At least for the first 12 hours. $20 from Never Had a Beday. On a serious
657:06 from Never Had a Beday. On a serious note, I'm a huge fan of the juicy fart
657:09 note, I'm a huge fan of the juicy fart sound. It's the icing on the cake.
657:11 sound. It's the icing on the cake. Magnify. It's so gross. And juicy makes
657:13 Magnify. It's so gross. And juicy makes me sick of my son. Oh god. Oh my god.
657:19 me sick of my son. Oh god. Oh my god. >> $20 from Reverend Nate. Mom. Mom. Mom.
657:22 >> $20 from Reverend Nate. Mom. Mom. Mom. Mommy. Mommy. Mommy. Mama. Mama. Mama.
657:26 Mommy. Mommy. Mommy. Mama. Mama. Mama. Mom. Mom. Mom. Open a line.
657:29 Mom. Mom. Mom. Open a line. >> Is that That's a What is that? A Stewie?
657:33 >> Is that That's a What is that? A Stewie? >> I think so.
657:35 >> I think so. >> PETA. The horse is here.
657:37 >> PETA. The horse is here. >> 1999 from Oh my god.
657:41 >> 1999 from Oh my god. >> Can you do that again?
657:42 >> Can you do that again? >> Insanely good.
657:44 >> Insanely good. I got a good Lois. Peter, the horse is
657:46 I got a good Lois. Peter, the horse is here.
657:47 here. >> That's ridiculously good.
657:50 >> That's ridiculously good. >> Impressed.
657:52 >> Impressed. Color me. Good impressions. I've done
657:54 Color me. Good impressions. I've done good impressions on this show before.
657:55 good impressions on this show before. I've got a decent
657:56 I've got a decent >> I've never heard you do a good
657:58 >> I've never heard you do a good impression once and that was blew my
658:00 impression once and that was blew my mind.
658:01 mind. >> No, that is actually [ __ ] That
658:03 >> No, that is actually [ __ ] That there's no way you actually believe
658:05 there's no way you actually believe that. You're just saying that to piss me
658:06 that. You're just saying that to piss me off. 1999 from Hannah.
658:08 off. 1999 from Hannah. >> What What impression have you done
658:10 >> What What impression have you done around me?
658:12 around me? >> You know I There's no way I've not done
658:14 >> You know I There's no way I've not done impression. I truly I've done my my um
658:16 impression. I truly I've done my my um chocolate from Spongebob, right?
658:20 chocolate from Spongebob, right? >> Nope.
658:21 >> Nope. >> No. The shriveled the shriveled mother
658:23 >> No. The shriveled the shriveled mother grandmother from chocolate. I remember
658:26 grandmother from chocolate. I remember when they first invented chocolate.
658:28 when they first invented chocolate. Sweet sweet chocolate. I always hated
658:31 Sweet sweet chocolate. I always hated it. No, nothing.
658:33 it. No, nothing. >> That's That is great. No, you've never
658:35 >> That's That is great. No, you've never done that before, but it's fantastic.
658:37 done that before, but it's fantastic. >> You You people have to understand with a
658:39 >> You You people have to understand with a voice like this, you can do impressions.
658:42 voice like this, you can do impressions. That's the That's the catch. The catch
658:44 That's the That's the catch. The catch is I sound like this all the time. I get
658:46 is I sound like this all the time. I get to do good cartoon voices. That's the
658:48 to do good cartoon voices. That's the rule.
658:49 rule. >> Also, Hannah, I read yours. I said I
658:51 >> Also, Hannah, I read yours. I said I said, "Haj,
658:52 said, "Haj, >> donate with what impression you want
658:54 >> donate with what impression you want Erica to do, I suppose. Send send in
658:56 Erica to do, I suppose. Send send in your $20 super chat and tell her what
658:59 your $20 super chat and tell her what [ __ ] old Nick tunes character you
659:01 [ __ ] old Nick tunes character you want to hear." Uh, 20 bucks from the
659:03 want to hear." Uh, 20 bucks from the Reverend Nate. Banana is the flavor of
659:06 Reverend Nate. Banana is the flavor of ear medication. Zero out of seven. Do
659:08 ear medication. Zero out of seven. Do not recommend. You don't know what
659:09 not recommend. You don't know what you're talking about.
659:10 you're talking about. >> That is so true. real banana. Not like
659:12 >> That is so true. real banana. Not like the [ __ ] the [ __ ] that tastes like
659:14 the [ __ ] the [ __ ] that tastes like the bananas we don't have anymore. This
659:15 the bananas we don't have anymore. This artificial stuff which is good in Laffy
659:17 artificial stuff which is good in Laffy Taffy and in no other place ever again,
659:19 Taffy and in no other place ever again, but like real banana flavor squished up
659:22 but like real banana flavor squished up into a drink. It's wonderful.
659:24 into a drink. It's wonderful. >> Does Sonic use real fresh bananas for
659:27 >> Does Sonic use real fresh bananas for their fast food drive-thru milkshakes?
659:30 their fast food drive-thru milkshakes? >> They do. They do. Real fruit in your
659:33 >> They do. They do. Real fruit in your smoothie.
659:34 smoothie. >> Okay, sure.
659:35 >> Okay, sure. >> First, I got a bridge I got to sell you.
659:37 >> First, I got a bridge I got to sell you. And also, Santa Claus is real. $20 from
659:40 And also, Santa Claus is real. $20 from Arcane. Goat 2024. Bananas are the
659:42 Arcane. Goat 2024. Bananas are the styrofoam of the fruit world. This is
659:43 styrofoam of the fruit world. This is accurate. Even the texture, it's got
659:45 accurate. Even the texture, it's got that squishy give to it that's just so
659:49 that squishy give to it that's just so kind of gross.
659:50 kind of gross. >> You don't know anything about anything.
659:52 >> You don't know anything about anything. Uh $5*
659:55 Uh $5* 10 from Brent J. Council treasurer. Why
659:59 10 from Brent J. Council treasurer. Why is there a dot in my $5,000 super chat?
660:04 is there a dot in my $5,000 super chat? >> That's That's so weird. How could that
660:06 >> That's That's so weird. How could that happen?
660:06 happen? >> That's bizarre. But that's surely enough
660:08 >> That's bizarre. But that's surely enough to get another line open. I mean, [ __ ]
660:10 to get another line open. I mean, [ __ ] dude. Like, if that doesn't do it,
660:12 dude. Like, if that doesn't do it, nothing will.
660:14 nothing will. >> This is what I'm saying, right? That was
660:16 >> This is what I'm saying, right? That was just
660:18 just >> $20 from a salient monk. Which
660:22 >> $20 from a salient monk. Which Gorillas's album is your favorite? Also,
660:24 Gorillas's album is your favorite? Also, what are your top five albums? PS, one
660:27 what are your top five albums? PS, one more call. Are these all just for me?
660:29 more call. Are these all just for me? Wow, I could tell you all.
660:30 Wow, I could tell you all. >> That's a fantastic thing.
660:32 >> That's a fantastic thing. >> Um, my favorite Gorilla album overall,
660:34 >> Um, my favorite Gorilla album overall, it's it's Demon Days. Uh, a very close
660:37 it's it's Demon Days. Uh, a very close second is Plastic Beach. The only thing
660:39 second is Plastic Beach. The only thing that prevents Plastic Beach from being
660:40 that prevents Plastic Beach from being as good as Demon Days for me um is Oh,
660:45 as good as Demon Days for me um is Oh, what what is it called? It's the one
660:46 what what is it called? It's the one that starts with the um with the Morse
660:48 that starts with the um with the Morse code. Uh the
660:51 code. Uh the sweep stakes. That's it. Sweep Stakes. I
660:53 sweep stakes. That's it. Sweep Stakes. I don't like sweep stakes. It's the only
660:55 don't like sweep stakes. It's the only song on Plastic Beach that I don't like.
660:56 song on Plastic Beach that I don't like. Um my top five albums of all time. I
661:01 Um my top five albums of all time. I don't know that I can give you like
661:03 don't know that I can give you like albums of all time necessarily because
661:06 albums of all time necessarily because it they change so frequently. Um, but
661:08 it they change so frequently. Um, but artists that I've been listening to a
661:10 artists that I've been listening to a lot recently where I will just co-sign
661:12 lot recently where I will just co-sign all of their albums are going to be
661:14 all of their albums are going to be Scary Jokes, Guppy, Willwood, Penelopey
661:19 Scary Jokes, Guppy, Willwood, Penelopey Scott, anything obviously by Tally Hall
661:21 Scott, anything obviously by Tally Hall at any time. Same with the collaborative
661:23 at any time. Same with the collaborative works with like Miracle Musical and
661:25 works with like Miracle Musical and things of that nature. Um, I've been
661:28 things of that nature. Um, I've been listening to Wick Whitney. I've been
661:29 listening to Wick Whitney. I've been listening to
661:31 listening to who else? Keep going. I'll give you some
661:34 who else? Keep going. I'll give you some more. Let me pull up my Spotify. I'll
661:35 more. Let me pull up my Spotify. I'll give you some good Rex.
661:42 >> I'm looking up. I I I [ __ ] I don't know albums. I know songs is the
661:44 know albums. I know songs is the problem. But [ __ ] Give Me the Sweet
661:47 problem. But [ __ ] Give Me the Sweet and Lowdown by Social Distortion,
661:50 and Lowdown by Social Distortion, probably one of my favorite songs in the
661:52 probably one of my favorite songs in the whole world. Listen to that if you don't
661:53 whole world. Listen to that if you don't already. And and then also [ __ ] Fire
661:56 already. And and then also [ __ ] Fire on the Horizon by Stick Figure is
661:58 on the Horizon by Stick Figure is another [ __ ] amazing
662:00 another [ __ ] amazing >> other artist. Theaurus Theaurus Rex has
662:03 >> other artist. Theaurus Theaurus Rex has also been on my recents a lot. They're
662:05 also been on my recents a lot. They're amazing. Truses with two T's, two Rs,
662:09 amazing. Truses with two T's, two Rs, two U's, and then CES, phenomenal. Um,
662:13 two U's, and then CES, phenomenal. Um, Scissor Sisters always great. I've got a
662:15 Scissor Sisters always great. I've got a couple songs by Yacht that are good. Um,
662:18 couple songs by Yacht that are good. Um, Vienna Vienna, phenomenal. Schaefer
662:21 Vienna Vienna, phenomenal. Schaefer James, great. Bear Ghost classic. Spilly
662:24 James, great. Bear Ghost classic. Spilly Cave. No one listens to Spilly Cave
662:26 Cave. No one listens to Spilly Cave other than me. I'm the number one Spilly
662:28 other than me. I'm the number one Spilly Cave listener probably on Spotify.
662:30 Cave listener probably on Spotify. That's fine. I could go on, but I won't.
662:32 That's fine. I could go on, but I won't. Those are my recents. And also some of
662:34 Those are my recents. And also some of those
662:36 those uh what's perennials? No, annuals that
662:39 uh what's perennials? No, annuals that are just constant.
662:41 are just constant. >> Uh Nothing Can Change This Love by Sam
662:44 >> Uh Nothing Can Change This Love by Sam Cook and Poetry Girl by Eric Benet. Also
662:47 Cook and Poetry Girl by Eric Benet. Also two of the greatest songs ever written.
662:49 two of the greatest songs ever written. You should listen to them.
662:51 You should listen to them. Uh $20 from Stephic Cath uh po posting
662:58 Uh $20 from Stephic Cath uh po posting for Elfine.
662:59 for Elfine. Serious question. Sorry. With everything
663:02 Serious question. Sorry. With everything happened in the sciences in our country,
663:04 happened in the sciences in our country, will we be able to recover? If so, how
663:06 will we be able to recover? If so, how difficult will it be? It's really
663:08 difficult will it be? It's really difficult to express just how much has
663:10 difficult to express just how much has actually been lost. Literally,
663:12 actually been lost. Literally, generations of scientific knowledge and
663:14 generations of scientific knowledge and progress have been destroyed. Um and so,
663:17 progress have been destroyed. Um and so, will we recover? Yes. other countries
663:19 will we recover? Yes. other countries are going to pick up the slack and do
663:20 are going to pick up the slack and do amazingly well. Will America recover?
663:22 amazingly well. Will America recover? That is going to take some serious
663:24 That is going to take some serious [ __ ] time and effort.
663:25 [ __ ] time and effort. >> Folks, let me let me hit you with the
663:27 >> Folks, let me let me hit you with the hard truth. This is the Chinese century.
663:29 hard truth. This is the Chinese century. Unironically, China is about to
663:31 Unironically, China is about to completely like clean our clocks
663:34 completely like clean our clocks permanently with regard to science. It
663:36 permanently with regard to science. It they were already doing that pre-2020
663:38 they were already doing that pre-2020 like they overtook us in the year 2020
663:40 like they overtook us in the year 2020 with basic research. It they we gifted
663:43 with basic research. It they we gifted them the hyperdrive on this on a silver
663:46 them the hyperdrive on this on a silver platter. Um, so you know, I don't know.
663:49 platter. Um, so you know, I don't know. >> Yeah,
663:49 >> Yeah, >> best start best start learning Mandarin
663:51 >> best start best start learning Mandarin and looking into positions over there
663:53 and looking into positions over there because those are those are going to be
663:54 because those are those are going to be that's going to be the future of
663:54 that's going to be the future of scientific innovation and that's it is
663:56 scientific innovation and that's it is what it is.
663:56 what it is. >> I already have a [ __ ] I already have
663:58 >> I already have a [ __ ] I already have a RedNote account with like a few
664:00 a RedNote account with like a few thousand followers and I I haven't
664:01 thousand followers and I I haven't posted there in a long time, but like
664:03 posted there in a long time, but like dude, I'm I'm gonna have to start doing
664:05 dude, I'm I'm gonna have to start doing it more.
664:06 it more. >> Well, especially since Tik Tok is is
664:09 >> Well, especially since Tik Tok is is maybe doing some crazy [ __ ] with the the
664:12 maybe doing some crazy [ __ ] with the the sell over to whatchamacallit over here.
664:14 sell over to whatchamacallit over here. I don't know how that's going to go
664:15 I don't know how that's going to go down, but what I'm trying to figure out.
664:17 down, but what I'm trying to figure out. I've got one I've got 1.5 million
664:19 I've got one I've got 1.5 million followers on TikTok. It's my biggest
664:20 followers on TikTok. It's my biggest platform by far and I want so badly just
664:23 platform by far and I want so badly just to just pick them up and put them on
664:26 to just pick them up and put them on YouTube so I can just continue making
664:28 YouTube so I can just continue making cool [ __ ] But like, holy [ __ ] dude.
664:30 cool [ __ ] But like, holy [ __ ] dude. It's rough.
664:31 It's rough. >> I know. I know. And I know a lot of Tik
664:33 >> I know. I know. And I know a lot of Tik Tok users who are already starting to
664:36 Tok users who are already starting to post more on Instagram and and migrating
664:38 post more on Instagram and and migrating to shorts as well. Um,
664:40 to shorts as well. Um, >> yeah,
664:40 >> yeah, >> [ __ ] sucks. And and by the way, this is
664:42 >> [ __ ] sucks. And and by the way, this is the danger of science communication on
664:43 the danger of science communication on these platforms is because the rug can
664:45 these platforms is because the rug can get pulled out from under you at any
664:47 get pulled out from under you at any time. Yeah. Um that's the scary part of
664:49 time. Yeah. Um that's the scary part of doing all this kind of stuff.
664:51 doing all this kind of stuff. >> $20 from Rich is arrogant. I'm dumb as a
664:53 >> $20 from Rich is arrogant. I'm dumb as a butt. Not true, but you two are smart.
664:56 butt. Not true, but you two are smart. Have there been any work into
664:57 Have there been any work into repurposing extreophile heat stress
664:59 repurposing extreophile heat stress proteins to treat or correct pryon
665:01 proteins to treat or correct pryon diseases? Cite me in your next papers.
665:04 diseases? Cite me in your next papers. Uh back sarcasm. Um I don't know the
665:07 Uh back sarcasm. Um I don't know the answer to that. I'm not sure. Um, I
665:09 answer to that. I'm not sure. Um, I guess the idea would be
665:13 guess the idea would be I mean I I think what you would want to
665:15 I mean I I think what you would want to do if anything is make prons weaker to
665:17 do if anything is make prons weaker to heat, right? Not but I guess the ide
665:28 causes the proteins to defold. I don't know enough about prons to say. I just
665:29 know enough about prons to say. I just know that pronsions are really hard to
665:30 know that pronsions are really hard to destroy with heat. So, if anything, I
665:32 destroy with heat. So, if anything, I would think you would want to be able to
665:32 would think you would want to be able to figure out how to make pions less heat
665:35 figure out how to make pions less heat tolerant so that you can blast them into
665:37 tolerant so that you can blast them into smitherines with a with a hot um
665:39 smitherines with a with a hot um >> Yeah, it is it is weird. I don't know.
665:42 >> Yeah, it is it is weird. I don't know. >> Uh by the way, to the person in the chat
665:43 >> Uh by the way, to the person in the chat who talked about how China already has
665:45 who talked about how China already has the best electric vehicles, they also
665:46 the best electric vehicles, they also have the best [ __ ] phones. Um that we
665:48 have the best [ __ ] phones. Um that we we had Huawei, I believe it was that
665:51 we had Huawei, I believe it was that that just blowing Samsung and Apple
665:55 that just blowing Samsung and Apple completely out of the [ __ ] water and
665:57 completely out of the [ __ ] water and so we banned them. The reason why it
666:00 so we banned them. The reason why it took so long to get the foldable phones
666:02 took so long to get the foldable phones that China has had forever and are
666:04 that China has had forever and are better than the foldable phones we have
666:05 better than the foldable phones we have here is because we banned them from the
666:08 here is because we banned them from the market so that they didn't have to
666:09 market so that they didn't have to innovate. We could just isolate and do
666:12 innovate. We could just isolate and do protectionism. It is the antithesis of
666:13 protectionism. It is the antithesis of capitalism. If you are a capitalist, you
666:16 capitalism. If you are a capitalist, you should want to engage with China, but we
666:18 should want to engage with China, but we don't because we're all about
666:19 don't because we're all about protectionism and it sucks.
666:21 protectionism and it sucks. >> Yep. Again, we listen.
666:24 >> Yep. Again, we listen. >> This should I think this is
666:28 >> This should I think this is is that we just did a swap with China
666:31 is that we just did a swap with China where it's like that I saw this meme the
666:32 where it's like that I saw this meme the other day that was like China in the
666:33 other day that was like China in the 19th century addicted to opium United
666:35 19th century addicted to opium United States in the 19th century innovation
666:37 States in the 19th century innovation and then we've just done a little little
666:39 and then we've just done a little little a little 180 with that did a little
666:42 a little 180 with that did a little flip.
666:42 flip. >> Yeah, it sucks. It sucks. Uh also Ardan,
666:47 >> Yeah, it sucks. It sucks. Uh also Ardan, you should totally check Discord. Uh
666:49 you should totally check Discord. Uh we've got uh $20 from Mario Bolomi
667:00 man though you there's so much there. Uh I put another super chat about how neat
667:02 I put another super chat about how neat it is that there are different words for
667:04 it is that there are different words for banana in Spanish and how I use both in
667:07 banana in Spanish and how I use both in different context. So I won't repeat
667:08 different context. So I won't repeat that here. Instead I'll just ask uh
667:11 that here. Instead I'll just ask uh unadamas one more call.
667:14 unadamas one more call. I would love that. I think everybody
667:16 I would love that. I think everybody else would love that too. I think the
667:17 else would love that too. I think the chat would enjoy that thoroughly.
667:19 chat would enjoy that thoroughly. >> Nice on knowing that. Good job. It's
667:22 >> Nice on knowing that. Good job. It's pretty impressive.
667:23 pretty impressive. >> Oh, thank you.
667:28 I'm getting there. >> Not me.
667:30 >> Not me. 1999 from Cognitive Dissonance. Can Eric
667:32 1999 from Cognitive Dissonance. Can Eric do Roz from Monsters Inc.? Of course, I
667:34 do Roz from Monsters Inc.? Of course, I can do Raz. I'm always watching you,
667:37 can do Raz. I'm always watching you, Wizowski.
667:39 Wizowski. Always watching.
667:42 Always watching. I can do any of the I do good cartoon
667:44 I can do any of the I do good cartoon impressions, you guys. You got to give
667:45 impressions, you guys. You got to give me a little slack. I I'm I'm a little
667:47 me a little slack. I I'm I'm a little insulted that everyone's so surprised.
667:54 This one's you though, Forest >> [ __ ] Uh 1999 from Hannah Hoins. Uh come
667:57 >> [ __ ] Uh 1999 from Hannah Hoins. Uh come on, let Farm Boy Strong do more
668:00 on, let Farm Boy Strong do more impressions. And we get another line
668:02 impressions. And we get another line open. $72,000
668:04 open. $72,000 confirmation of transfer of funds.
668:07 confirmation of transfer of funds. Status confirmed. You misspelled status,
668:10 Status confirmed. You misspelled status, so she's not going to do it.
668:12 so she's not going to do it. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's why. Hannah, you
668:16 >> Yeah. Yeah, that's why. Hannah, you remembered Farmboy Strong.
668:19 remembered Farmboy Strong. I have to remind everybody about Farmboy
668:21 I have to remind everybody about Farmboy Strong. I'm never letting anyone forget
668:22 Strong. I'm never letting anyone forget it. $20 Canadian dollars. Here's $20
668:25 it. $20 Canadian dollars. Here's $20 just because Oh, from where is Waldo? Uh
668:27 just because Oh, from where is Waldo? Uh because Forest mentioned Stick Figure
668:29 because Forest mentioned Stick Figure with one of his best songs. Forest,
668:32 with one of his best songs. Forest, >> I [ __ ] love Stick Figure. Dude,
668:34 >> I [ __ ] love Stick Figure. Dude, >> you're being complimented for your music
668:35 >> you're being complimented for your music taste. That's really interesting. I feel
668:37 taste. That's really interesting. I feel like I'm not getting as much kudos even
668:38 like I'm not getting as much kudos even though I gave a lot more songs, but that
668:40 though I gave a lot more songs, but that are a lot more artists, but that's fine.
668:41 are a lot more artists, but that's fine. I guess
668:42 I guess >> my songs are better. I'm used to people
668:44 >> my songs are better. I'm used to people having I'm used to people around me
668:46 having I'm used to people around me having bad taste, so it's okay.
668:47 having bad taste, so it's okay. Whatever. It's fine.
668:50 Whatever. It's fine. >> Uh 20 Canadian dollars from where is
668:53 >> Uh 20 Canadian dollars from where is Waldo. Uh here's $20 just because for
668:56 Waldo. Uh here's $20 just because for Oh, [ __ ] me. God damn it.
668:58 Oh, [ __ ] me. God damn it. >> God damn it.
669:00 >> God damn it. >> Look, I was looking over here and I just
669:02 >> Look, I was looking over here and I just started reading. I didn't even site
669:04 started reading. I didn't even site readad the whole thing first. I
669:06 readad the whole thing first. I >> humiliated from me.
669:08 >> humiliated from me. >> So,
669:08 >> So, >> it's Ardan's fault. She should have
669:10 >> it's Ardan's fault. She should have changed the thing, but she was too busy
669:11 changed the thing, but she was too busy setting up call in studio for another
669:13 setting up call in studio for another call to to to do it. So
669:16 call to to to do it. So >> surely
669:25 >> you for you were getting slapped down. >> You just got spike. You got check
669:28 >> You just got spike. You got check Discord. You got spiked over the net,
669:29 Discord. You got spiked over the net, brother.
669:30 brother. >> I did. That's what I was looking at.
669:32 >> I did. That's what I was looking at. That's I'm [ __ ] distracted by how
669:34 That's I'm [ __ ] distracted by how mean Ardan's being to me.
669:36 mean Ardan's being to me. >> $20 from Metro.
669:37 >> $20 from Metro. >> I suggested a fun and interesting idea.
669:40 >> I suggested a fun and interesting idea. This is actually a very interesting
669:41 This is actually a very interesting take. Self-titled self-titled debut is
669:44 take. Self-titled self-titled debut is the best gorillas album, and I will
669:45 the best gorillas album, and I will fight you on that. That is a very
669:47 fight you on that. That is a very interesting take. I'm not I'm not saying
669:49 interesting take. I'm not I'm not saying that self-titled doesn't have some
669:51 that self-titled doesn't have some really incredible um songs on it that
669:54 really incredible um songs on it that aren't very popular, including ones that
669:56 aren't very popular, including ones that not a lot of people know about because
669:58 not a lot of people know about because they were on G-sides. I think it's
669:59 they were on G-sides. I think it's G-sides for the debut. Um, I'm actually
670:02 G-sides for the debut. Um, I'm actually a big fan of Left-Hand Suzuki Method,
670:03 a big fan of Left-Hand Suzuki Method, but for me, you can't beat the
670:06 but for me, you can't beat the orchestral notes that you find in Demon
670:09 orchestral notes that you find in Demon Days, the song, and I love the cohesive
670:12 Days, the song, and I love the cohesive narrative of Demon Days as a whole. I
670:14 narrative of Demon Days as a whole. I think it's great. That's just me. Also,
670:15 think it's great. That's just me. Also, I saw Social D with Bad Religion in
670:17 I saw Social D with Bad Religion in Dallas about a year and a half ago, and
670:19 Dallas about a year and a half ago, and it was amazing. Two of my favorite punk
670:20 it was amazing. Two of my favorite punk bands ever. That rocks. And I lived a a
670:25 bands ever. That rocks. And I lived a a similar dream. I got to see Mike Chem
670:27 similar dream. I got to see Mike Chem earlier this year, which was great. Um,
670:29 earlier this year, which was great. Um, really lovely.
670:31 really lovely. This one's you for read it.
670:34 This one's you for read it. >> $20 from Balthazar. Hank Green tested
670:36 >> $20 from Balthazar. Hank Green tested the gross male. Apparently banana
670:39 the gross male. Apparently banana flavoring is what gross male smell like,
670:42 flavoring is what gross male smell like, not taste like. If Erica can do a proper
670:45 not taste like. If Erica can do a proper forest by enjoying a pun, that would be
670:47 forest by enjoying a pun, that would be the greatest impersonation. That would
670:49 the greatest impersonation. That would >> now that I that I actually can't do.
670:52 >> now that I that I actually can't do. Unfortunately, that's one that I It's
670:54 Unfortunately, that's one that I It's beyond my abilities. I'm good. I'm not
670:56 beyond my abilities. I'm good. I'm not great. Come on. That's greatness. I feel
670:59 great. Come on. That's greatness. I feel like you could pull it off.
671:01 like you could pull it off. >> We got $20 from pureform 42 at Hannah
671:04 >> We got $20 from pureform 42 at Hannah Hajins 9516 giving $72,000. How can we
671:08 Hajins 9516 giving $72,000. How can we not? Hashtag one more line on the line #
671:10 not? Hashtag one more line on the line # moonad. Sorry, I burped while I was
671:12 moonad. Sorry, I burped while I was saying that. I was a little
671:14 saying that. I was a little smells like chili in here now. It's
671:16 smells like chili in here now. It's disgusting.
671:18 disgusting. Oh god, I'm getting such bad acid
671:20 Oh god, I'm getting such bad acid reflux. I need to take a TMS at some
671:22 reflux. I need to take a TMS at some point or a Pepsid or like 10 of both. Oh
671:25 point or a Pepsid or like 10 of both. Oh god, there were too many
671:29 god, there were too many $20 from Eric Sodto. If Ardan doesn't
671:31 $20 from Eric Sodto. If Ardan doesn't open the lines for one more call, me and
671:32 open the lines for one more call, me and Zer will remain trapped in the year
671:34 Zer will remain trapped in the year 2195. No,
671:37 2195. No, >> that's [ __ ] That's [ __ ]
671:39 >> that's [ __ ] That's [ __ ] >> Get them back.
671:41 >> Get them back. >> 20 Canadian Reverend Nate 2735. Just cuz
671:44 >> 20 Canadian Reverend Nate 2735. Just cuz we were talking music. Check out Charles
671:45 we were talking music. Check out Charles Bradley, folks. He's deceased, but was
671:47 Bradley, folks. He's deceased, but was so brilliant. Also, one more call.
671:51 so brilliant. Also, one more call. >> Oh my god. And that's it. We should have
671:54 >> Oh my god. And that's it. We should have seen it coming.
672:04 You would even let us get alive. >> Oh, thank God. I was furious.
672:06 >> Oh, thank God. I was furious. >> That would have been really funny,
672:08 >> That would have been really funny, actually.
672:09 actually. >> Oh my god.
672:11 >> Oh my god. >> I was about to say, what a great way to
672:12 >> I was about to say, what a great way to end a near an 11 and a half hour just to
672:16 end a near an 11 and a half hour just to just shut it off at the tail end like
672:17 just shut it off at the tail end like that.
672:19 that. >> Wild.
672:21 >> Wild. >> Do you know Do you have anything you
672:22 >> Do you know Do you have anything you want to say at the end?
672:23 want to say at the end? >> No.
672:24 >> No. >> Anything you want to wrap up with?
672:26 >> Anything you want to wrap up with? I also had a great time.
672:28 I also had a great time. >> I'll wrap up with this. Light work, no
672:30 >> I'll wrap up with this. Light work, no reaction, right? Stream like this
672:32 reaction, right? Stream like this stream, easy. It not even a problem for
672:35 stream, easy. It not even a problem for me. Had had beers, had fun with my
672:37 me. Had had beers, had fun with my friends, had a good meal, played with my
672:40 friends, had a good meal, played with my dogs. You honestly the
672:41 dogs. You honestly the >> Yeah.
672:42 >> Yeah. >> So long. If I could be on my walking
672:44 >> So long. If I could be on my walking treadmill for this, I could do this for
672:46 treadmill for this, I could do this for 24 hours. Easy peasy. No problem.
672:49 24 hours. Easy peasy. No problem. >> I drank a bunch of tea and talked to
672:52 >> I drank a bunch of tea and talked to creationists and transphobes. I had a
672:54 creationists and transphobes. I had a great [ __ ] day. It has been an
672:55 great [ __ ] day. It has been an amazing time. So, uh, yeah, I I I'm down
672:58 amazing time. So, uh, yeah, I I I'm down to do this again. It was only 11 and a
673:00 to do this again. It was only 11 and a half hours. I'm not even tired,
673:03 half hours. I'm not even tired, honestly. So, next fundraiser, we need
673:07 honestly. So, next fundraiser, we need to bend Jimmy's ear and ask how much we
673:09 to bend Jimmy's ear and ask how much we need to raise for a 24-hour stream
673:11 need to raise for a 24-hour stream because I'm down.
673:12 because I'm down. >> We It's got to be It's got to be high,
673:14 >> We It's got to be It's got to be high, though, right? Like, that's a pretty big
673:17 though, right? Like, that's a pretty big treat. It's not It's not that we can't
673:19 treat. It's not It's not that we can't do it. It's just that it's a big treat.
673:21 do it. It's just that it's a big treat. >> It's kind of like
673:24 >> It's kind of like It's like letting when your parents let
673:25 It's like letting when your parents let you get like a big ice cream cone. It's
673:27 you get like a big ice cream cone. It's like it's not that they can't afford it.
673:29 like it's not that they can't afford it. >> It's just it's a big treat for
673:31 >> It's just it's a big treat for >> it's a big treat for Chad's got to be
673:34 >> it's a big treat for Chad's got to be like a
673:35 like a >> 18our stream next for like you know
673:38 >> 18our stream next for like you know $80,000 and then 24-hour stream for like
673:41 $80,000 and then 24-hour stream for like $200,000 or something like that. We we
673:42 $200,000 or something like that. We we need to make the world a better place.
673:44 need to make the world a better place. By the way, I tell you how we will sign
673:46 By the way, I tell you how we will sign this off. Speaking of making the world a
673:47 this off. Speaking of making the world a better place, um a lot of people are
673:49 better place, um a lot of people are about to lose their SNAP benefits. I
673:51 about to lose their SNAP benefits. I grew up on food stamps. I would have not
673:54 grew up on food stamps. I would have not I would not be here if I didn't have the
673:55 I would not be here if I didn't have the government assistance that I had growing
673:57 government assistance that I had growing up. I was very poor. So, a lot of people
674:00 up. I was very poor. So, a lot of people are about to be hurting for certain. If
674:02 are about to be hurting for certain. If you can do it, consider skipping
674:04 you can do it, consider skipping Christmas. Consider skipping
674:06 Christmas. Consider skipping Thanksgiving. Do the traditional thing
674:08 Thanksgiving. Do the traditional thing and just spend time with your family and
674:10 and just spend time with your family and tell them how much you love them and
674:11 tell them how much you love them and hold them tight. and take that gift
674:13 hold them tight. and take that gift money that you were going to spend on
674:14 money that you were going to spend on yourself or whatever like that for
674:15 yourself or whatever like that for whatever trinkets and toys and and fancy
674:18 whatever trinkets and toys and and fancy electronics that you don't [ __ ] need
674:20 electronics that you don't [ __ ] need and consider giving it to Feeding
674:22 and consider giving it to Feeding America, which is an amazing
674:24 America, which is an amazing organization that can works with a
674:26 organization that can works with a network of food banks all around the
674:28 network of food banks all around the country to make sure people get the help
674:30 country to make sure people get the help that they need. Consider donating to
674:32 that they need. Consider donating to your local food bank if you can. Um,
674:35 your local food bank if you can. Um, consider reaching out to your neighbors
674:37 consider reaching out to your neighbors and building community on your own block
674:38 and building community on your own block and making sure that your neighbors have
674:41 and making sure that your neighbors have what they need to get by and that they
674:42 what they need to get by and that they need have the help. If you have a little
674:44 need have the help. If you have a little more than you need, guarantee you can
674:46 more than you need, guarantee you can find somebody with a little bit less
674:47 find somebody with a little bit less than they need. And if you have a little
674:49 than they need. And if you have a little less than you need, there are resources
674:50 less than you need, there are resources from a little people who have a little
674:52 from a little people who have a little bit more. The government doesn't give a
674:53 bit more. The government doesn't give a [ __ ] about you. We are in this together.
674:56 [ __ ] about you. We are in this together. [ __ ] them. We will take care of
674:58 [ __ ] them. We will take care of ourselves. We will take care of each
674:59 ourselves. We will take care of each other. That's what community is all
675:01 other. That's what community is all about and that is what they're the most
675:02 about and that is what they're the most scared of. So, please consider that
675:04 scared of. So, please consider that moving forward into the holiday season.
675:05 moving forward into the holiday season. I'm going to be out of town for
675:06 I'm going to be out of town for Thanksgiving anyway. I have a trip. I'm
675:08 Thanksgiving anyway. I have a trip. I'm doing a tour in Germany that I've had
675:10 doing a tour in Germany that I've had booked for like a year. So, and people
675:12 booked for like a year. So, and people have already paid for it. I'm going to
675:13 have already paid for it. I'm going to be there for Thanksgiving. I'm not
675:14 be there for Thanksgiving. I'm not participating in Black Friday or any
675:16 participating in Black Friday or any [ __ ] like that. You shouldn't either.
675:17 [ __ ] like that. You shouldn't either. [ __ ] Black Friday. [ __ ] Christmas
675:20 [ __ ] Black Friday. [ __ ] Christmas spending. Donate to your local food
675:22 spending. Donate to your local food bank. Help your community. [ __ ] this
675:24 bank. Help your community. [ __ ] this government. [ __ ] Donald Trump. [ __ ] ICE.
675:26 government. [ __ ] Donald Trump. [ __ ] ICE. And [ __ ] the whole [ __ ] Republican
675:28 And [ __ ] the whole [ __ ] Republican legislator shutting down the government
675:30 legislator shutting down the government just so they can [ __ ] fund their
675:31 just so they can [ __ ] fund their [ __ ] bills. [ __ ] all of them. You
675:34 [ __ ] bills. [ __ ] all of them. You take care of your community. That's the
675:36 take care of your community. That's the thing that I want to say at the end of
675:37 thing that I want to say at the end of this. Um, with that, uh, we've had an
675:40 this. Um, with that, uh, we've had an amazing stream, y'all. Thank you so much
675:42 amazing stream, y'all. Thank you so much for being here for this entire time for
675:44 for being here for this entire time for [ __ ] 11 and a half [ __ ] hours.
675:47 [ __ ] 11 and a half [ __ ] hours. Thank you to Luxander and to Ardan for
675:50 Thank you to Luxander and to Ardan for producing. Thank you to Erica for being
675:51 producing. Thank you to Erica for being an amazing [ __ ] host. Thank you to
675:53 an amazing [ __ ] host. Thank you to our mods in chat for keeping things sane
675:55 our mods in chat for keeping things sane and civil. Thank you to the people in
675:57 and civil. Thank you to the people in chat, even the ones that suck. Thank you
675:58 chat, even the ones that suck. Thank you to the callers, even the ones that suck.
676:00 to the callers, even the ones that suck. Thank you for watching. Have an awesome
676:02 Thank you for watching. Have an awesome rest of your day and never stop
676:04 rest of your day and never stop learning. Bye-bye.
