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0:38 The world in which we're living today
0:41 doesn't seem to distribute wealth in a
0:43 way that allows people to access it.
0:45 Some people have been set up really
0:47 badly. They had poor access to
0:49 education. They didn't really know what
0:51 jobs were available. People are working
0:53 really, really hard and not taking that
0:55 much home. People are coming at it from
0:58 a place of pain, of desperation, of
1:00 stress. So, everyone already knows that
1:03 money is stressful. And your first point
1:06 here is make money easy. Yes. And so, I
1:08 want to ask you, when someone's coming
1:10 at money, our relationship with money is
1:12 already at a place kind of like finding
1:15 love. We're desperate for it. We're
1:17 stressed by it. We're paralyzed by it.
1:19 We feel the pressure for it. What do you
1:21 do when you're feeling all of that?
1:23 What's the first thing you need to do?
1:25 Step one is you need awareness. And
1:26 again, you probably say this so often
1:28 and people have probably heard this so
1:29 frequently, but if you don't have
1:32 awareness on your attachment style
1:35 towards money and how your nervous
1:37 system is when you receive money or when
1:39 money leaves you, when you have to pay
1:42 your bills or give money away, I want
1:44 people to create just a scenario of
1:47 awareness around how you feel and how
1:50 you think when you receive money, when
1:51 you pay money, when you look at your
1:53 bank account, when you open your purse
1:56 or your wallet, and Just notice how do I
1:59 feel? Do I have shallow breathing? Do I
2:01 feel relaxed? Do I feel anxious? Do I
2:04 feel scarce? Do I feel abundant? Just
2:07 step one is have awareness on how do I
2:10 feel and how do I think about my money?
2:12 The money I have, the money that's
2:13 coming in, and the money that's going
2:16 out. Yeah, that's step one. And when you
2:18 can just have awareness around it, you
2:21 can start to say, is my relationship the
2:22 one that I want to be having? Do I feel
2:26 really secure around money? If not,
2:28 okay, what's something I can think about
2:30 first? Let me think about my money
2:33 story, the story of my life around
2:37 money. We grow up as kids and we watch
2:40 our parents in their relationship and we
2:42 tend to develop the relationship style
2:44 of our parents unless we learn how to
2:46 heal as a teenager and have some type of
2:48 breakthrough. We're creating some type
2:50 of attachment style based on what we see
2:52 with our parents. But think about all
2:53 the conversations your parents had
2:55 around money. And if your parents didn't
2:57 have a secure relationship, if they
2:59 fought, did they fight about money? Were
3:01 you involved in the conversation about
3:03 how expensive things were about your
3:05 school or sports or programs that they
3:07 had to pay for they couldn't afford? Did
3:10 they argue? Did they have challenges?
3:12 Did they get divorced? Money is one of
3:13 the biggest reasons people get divorced.
3:15 It's one of the biggest arguments in
3:18 marriage as well. So just notice, is my
3:20 nervous system, is my body, is my
3:22 energy, or my thoughts stressed out
3:25 around money? Do I feel scarce or do I
3:28 feel abundant? That's kind of step one.
3:30 And then step two is understanding your
3:32 money story. Because when you can
3:34 reflect on your money story, you can see
3:36 what your money personality style is
3:39 today. And for many years, and we can
3:41 talk about both of us thinking about our
3:44 past. For many years, I didn't
3:46 understand money growing up. We didn't
3:48 have a lot growing up. We weren't
3:51 completely poor, but I wasn't as, you
3:52 know, well off as the other kids in my
3:54 class. So, I always felt a little bit
3:56 beneath everyone else. And so, my belief
3:58 system was around that. I was just a
3:59 little bit under everyone else. Everyone
4:00 else is doing a little bit better than
4:02 us. Sure, we have a home and I'm going
4:04 to school, but everyone's got
4:06 rollerblades. I'm in sneakers. People
4:08 have Nintendo. I don't have one. I'm
4:09 reading a book. Whatever it is, it was
4:11 like I was a little bit beneath. And
4:12 that started to shape my story and my
4:14 personality style. So I felt very
4:17 insecure around money. And when I got
4:19 it, I got really excited, but I didn't
4:20 know what to do with it. So I was also
4:23 like afraid. I was insecure and I was
4:25 just unsure of it. And it really started
4:28 to shape my personality style. Now when
4:30 I was in my teen years, my dad started
4:32 to make more money and started to teach
4:33 me a little bit. But I was still like
4:35 just I want to be a teenager. I don't
4:37 want to think about this stuff. It seems
4:40 confusing. I just want to have fun. in
4:44 my 20s when I got done playing football.
4:46 I I went to go pursue football, got
4:47 injured, and I was on my sister's couch
4:49 for a year and a half, and I had no
4:51 money, and I just felt like, how am I
4:53 going to make this work? How am I going
4:54 to make money? I don't know what my
4:56 skills are. I don't know what my talents
4:58 are. This is in 2008 when the economy
5:00 was crashing. So, it kind of felt like
5:02 it is right now with inflation going up
5:04 so much right now and people worried
5:06 about money in the future. I didn't
5:09 understand and I needed to find money
5:12 mentors to start teaching me how to
5:14 learn about how I can receive money and
5:17 spend it in a more efficient way. And
5:18 that was kind of the journey of me
5:20 starting to figure this out. But if we
5:22 don't have the tools or the money
5:24 knowledge, then we're always going to be
5:26 stuck in our money story as our money
5:28 personality style. And so it's getting
5:30 to understand awareness. How does it
5:32 feel when I receive money and I spend
5:35 money? Yeah. What is the history of the
5:36 story around money for me? Did my
5:38 parents fight? Did I feel anxious around
5:41 money? Uh I used to steal a lot when I
5:43 was a kid. So I had like some wounds
5:45 around money. I had people steal from me
5:47 as well. So I just had all these
5:49 different wounds that I had to address
5:51 and get clear on. And I had to learn how
5:54 to start healing those money wounds. And
5:55 again, I know this is the place to come
5:57 to create more wholeness, to be
5:58 healthier in your life, and to become
6:00 more healed. And that's what I want for
6:02 people to start to reflect on their
6:04 money story. Yeah. Write down some of
6:06 these things so you have awareness first
6:08 off on why you think and feel the way
6:10 you do around money. Yeah. Then you can
6:13 start to see how your personality style
6:15 towards money now is either helping you
6:17 create more abundance or keeping you in
6:20 scarcity and lack. And from there we can
6:21 start to have some breakthroughs. Yeah.
6:24 Let's talk about all three because as
6:26 I'm listening to you, I'm thinking that
6:30 for most of us, when we get aware, we
6:32 actually realize we don't even want to
6:34 look at our finances. No. Right. That's
6:37 how we all feel because we're so scared
6:39 and there's been such a fear built
6:42 around money that it's like, I don't
6:44 even want to know because I'm so scared.
6:46 Now, when I get my paycheck, I'm
6:48 thinking, "Oh god, I hope this covers my
6:50 rent, my groceries, my bills, whatever
6:52 else I've got to cover." And then that
6:54 becomes your stress point. And then
6:56 you're thinking, "Oh gosh, I haven't got
6:57 enough to spend on this thing that I
6:59 really wanted to do or I wanted to do
7:00 something for my kids or whatever it may
7:02 be." So now there's stress. And so I
7:04 think for most people when you actually
7:06 get awareness, you start realizing it's
7:08 stress and it's never enough. And it's
7:10 never enough. I'm never making enough.
7:13 And also I've got a h 100,000 in student
7:14 loan debt. I have this other credit card
7:16 because I wanted to go on a trip or I
7:17 had a medical expense that would
7:20 unexpected that came up. Like so many
7:22 people are struggling to be figuring out
7:24 how to get out of debt. They have this
7:26 weight that's carrying them back, but
7:27 they still want to feel like they're
7:30 free to live a life of their dreams.
7:31 They want to be able to go on a trip
7:32 with a friend a few times a year. They
7:34 want to go to those expensive concerts.
7:36 They want to have fun still, but they're
7:38 unfortunately in a lot of debt. So,
7:39 there's something that's pulling them
7:40 back as they're trying to go forward.
7:42 and they feel like there's no way to
7:45 break free. They think about the rising
7:48 cost of eggs, the inflation, uh how
7:49 everything is just constant. You can't
7:51 afford a home anymore. All these things
7:54 seem impossible to break through. But
7:56 people want to feel free, but they don't
7:58 feel emotionally free because of all the
8:01 baggage they have in their life. And
8:02 that's what I want people to start to
8:05 feel is how can you feel emotionally
8:09 free so that your money can come to you
8:11 effortlessly and when it leaves you,
8:13 it's not a bad thing. Yeah. And the more
8:16 we relax, the more we can receive. And
8:18 so if I'm tight and I'm always anxious
8:20 or I'm not willing to look at my bank
8:21 account because I'm afraid of what's in
8:25 there, how are we able to receive more
8:27 and spend more freely? And I think for
8:30 many years I was able to I learned how
8:33 to make money, but I didn't learn how to
8:35 spend money. And so I just hoarded it
8:37 because I was afraid to go back being
8:38 broke on my sister's couch. I didn't
8:40 want to go be broke again. So I just
8:42 stashed it away into my bank account and
8:43 just like, okay, I'm going to just wait
8:46 for it to grow so I feel safe. But that
8:48 was almost like a prison in a sense
8:50 emotionally because I didn't feel free
8:51 to spend it. I was still sleeping on
8:54 friends couches. I had a million dollars
8:55 in the bank and I was sleeping on
8:57 friends couches. I was sitting in the
8:59 middle seat, the cheapest seat I could
9:01 on buses or on planes. And I'd always be
9:03 like, "Man, I'm so uncomfortable the
9:05 next day. Like, I'm my back hurts. Like,
9:08 I'm just I'm not feeling free cuz I was
9:11 afraid. I was anxious to lose money."
9:13 And that is not emotional freedom. That
9:16 is not healing. And I remember thinking
9:18 to myself, God, I've got I'm starting to
9:20 make money. It was like years into my
9:22 business. I was like, I'm financially
9:25 free, but I'm still trapped. M what is
9:27 holding me back? And I realized a lot of
9:29 it was my money story and my money
9:31 personality style that I needed to start
9:32 working on. And I don't know if it's the
9:34 thing that you ever like, I've arrived
9:36 and I'm perfect and now I'm like this
9:38 Zen master at money. It's a constant
9:40 back to awareness. It's a constant
9:42 practice of awareness and breaking
9:44 through those limitations. Yeah. I think
9:45 what I'm thinking about when I'm hearing
9:48 you is if me and you went back to a
9:51 place in our life where we really didn't
9:53 have money. Yes. And you think about
9:55 someone who's in that position, who's
9:57 listening to us right now, and in their
10:00 head they're thinking, "But how do I
10:03 become abundant when I don't have where
10:05 like my natural thing is like I'm just
10:07 struggling to pay my next bill?" And me
10:08 and you have both been in those
10:10 situations. I remember when I was
10:12 growing up, I grew up in a house where
10:15 we had just enough. Like that was the
10:16 language my parents used. We have just
10:19 enough. And my parents would often argue
10:21 about money. I remember I wasn't allowed
10:23 to buy cool shoes and stuff. I'd have
10:25 like the the knockoff cheapest brand
10:26 from whatever, which was I actually
10:28 didn't have an issue with that. I didn't
10:29 have an issue with any of it because we
10:32 had food and that was my normality. But
10:33 it's really interesting because the
10:35 amount of times growing up I started
10:37 working when I was 14.
10:39 And I think that gave me a really
10:43 interesting sense of how hard it was to
10:45 make money because I started working at
10:49 14. And I used to get paid £2 per street
10:51 that I delivered newspapers on. So
10:53 imagine there's a 100 houses. It's going
10:55 to take me like not per house. No, no,
10:58 no. Per street. So I did five streets.
11:00 And so I'd get £10 at the end of the
11:02 week if I did five streets. And each
11:05 street would take me at least an hour,
11:06 maybe, I don't know, something like
11:08 that. And so I'd walk around, I'd pull
11:11 this thing and I'd deliver it. And I got
11:13 an understanding of how hard it was to
11:16 make money. But then that became a story
11:18 for me. Going to your point, making
11:21 money is hard. Making money is hard. And
11:23 that there's only a certain amount of
11:25 money you're allowed to make at this
11:27 level. Like you're a 14-year-old. Then I
11:29 worked in retail. I stacked shelves at a
11:31 grocery store. I worked at a store
11:32 called Morrison's, which is like working
11:36 at Walmart. And there I remember I got
11:38 paid like £5 an hour. And then you get
11:40 like time and a half if you work the
11:43 weekends and the evenings. All of this
11:45 to say that I probably spent my whole
11:48 life only seeing zero in my bank account
11:50 because everything that would come in
11:52 would pay for my phone bill, my car
11:54 insurance that I paid for, whatever it
11:55 was that I was taking care of. So, I
11:57 wasn't relying on my parents apart from
12:00 I lived in their home obviously. But I
12:01 always felt like money came in, money
12:05 went out. And my story around money was
12:07 people who have money are doing
12:10 something bad. So, I lived in a home.
12:12 Whenever we went to a friend's home and
12:14 they had a nice home, my family would
12:16 always say, "Oh, yeah, but they do dodgy
12:17 stuff to make money." All the language
12:19 around money was, "People with money are
12:21 doing bad stuff." So, in my head, it was
12:22 like, "Oh, if you have money, then you
12:25 must be doing shady stuff because we
12:26 don't have money and we're not doing any
12:28 shady, right? You must be hurting people
12:30 to make money." Correct. In some way,
12:31 exploiting, taking advantage of Yeah.
12:33 taking advantage, whatever. So
12:36 everything you're saying is so true
12:37 because then when I got to a point in my
12:39 life where I was just trying to do good
12:43 and I had something like 150 200 million
12:45 views on content and you had no money. I
12:46 was 4 months away from being broke. I
12:48 met you at this time. I met you around
12:49 this time. I met you this time. Yes. And
12:52 it was really interesting to me because
12:54 that was the time that I was actually
12:55 doing this work, which is why this
12:58 book's so powerful because I realized
13:01 that I couldn't even with 150 200
13:03 million views. It wasn't that that made
13:06 money because my story and my
13:09 personality style was anxious. I felt
13:12 like it was wrong to make money. Like
13:13 that's actually what it was. I felt like
13:17 making money was bad. And so until I got
13:19 to that, did you believe you were worthy
13:21 of making more money? I believed I was
13:24 worthy, but I believed that you had to
13:26 be bad to make money. Wow. So you didn't
13:28 want to be bad. You don't want to have a
13:29 lot of money and associate I have a lot
13:32 of money and I'm now I'm bad. Correct.
13:33 I'm bad and wrong and I'm hurting others
13:35 in order to help myself. Correct. Cuz
13:37 good people are poor. Wow. Right. Like
13:39 to be a good person of good character
13:42 means to not have money. Wow. And that
13:44 was based on a a belief system that you
13:46 developed over time.
13:47 If you would have
13:49 have
13:53 a reflection so important people, if
13:54 you're stressed, if you're overwhelmed,
13:56 if you're anxious, if you're constantly
14:00 in drama, that is not abundance. A high
14:04 net worth does not mean you are free.
14:06 Money is an energy and how we think and
14:09 how we feel will dictate the energy we
14:12 have towards it. When you have no money,
14:13 when you're broke, when you feel
14:15 stressed out, overwhelmed, burnt out,
14:18 you lost your job, you feel like you
14:21 need help and you may need help. And the
14:24 best way to create abundance is to go
14:28 from helplessness to helpfulness.
14:30 So, when you're in that place, taking
14:32 your story as well, taking my story, how
14:35 do we start to rewrite that story now
14:36 that we're aware? Well, it's so powerful
14:38 that you said that and I remember this
14:41 vividly because I met you on Halloween
14:43 2017, right? Yeah. Eight years ago.
14:47 Yeah. And we I said like cancel the day,
14:48 let's just hang out all day. Yeah. You
14:50 had a book coming out that day. I had a
14:52 book that came out that day on
14:53 Halloween. Yeah. Which is called The
14:55 Basking Masculinity. Anyways, how do we
14:57 rewire our brain around money to create
15:00 more abundance when you have nothing?
15:01 When you have lack. How do we rewire our
15:03 brain to create abundance when you have
15:05 nothing and you don't know how to earn
15:06 more money? The first thing I think you
15:09 need to be aware of is that your beliefs
15:12 dictate your behaviors. So if you
15:17 believe that money is bad or people who
15:19 make a lot of money are bad and take
15:21 advantage of others and therefore me
15:23 having lack right now means I'm a good
15:25 person and I don't want to become a bad
15:26 person. Then that belief is going to
15:28 dictate your behaviors and you're going
15:30 to stay in lack. You're going to stay in
15:32 scarcity and you're going to see
15:34 opportunities that only give you just
15:36 enough as opposed to opportunities that
15:38 could create incredible wealth for
15:40 yourself financially, but also an
15:42 emotional wealth that you've never had
15:44 before. So, that's one of the things you
15:45 want to understand is first that your
15:47 beliefs dictate your behaviors. That's a
15:49 big one, by the way. That's huge. Like
15:50 that. I just want to point that out for
15:52 people. Like that's so huge because your
15:56 belief your belief got you to a place of
15:58 I am impacting hundreds of millions of
16:00 people from these these videos that I
16:02 created with my talents but I don't know
16:04 how to make money with them and I don't
16:06 know if I actually should because then I
16:07 could be bad and wrong or people could
16:10 perceive me as I did something bad to
16:12 make this money correct and I'm a
16:14 spiritual person I'm a monk I've done
16:16 all these things I don't want to have
16:18 that life but I want to make an impact
16:20 and I don't want to be poor. So I think
16:21 a lot of people are struggling with that
16:23 mindset. What are the other ones you
16:25 hear? What are the other focusing on
16:27 that belief? What are you hearing from
16:29 people about their that's my belief and
16:32 that's very much my history and story as
16:34 you said. What other stuff do you hear
16:37 from people? The biggest shift that will
16:39 create abundance in your life is a
16:42 mindset habit in unlocking wealth for
16:45 yourself. And one of the big lies or one
16:47 of the big blocks that holds people back
16:50 from financial opportunity is that I I
16:53 cannot be generous with my time, my
16:56 wisdom, my knowledge or my secrets to
16:59 others because if I am, they will take
17:01 it and run with it and I will be left
17:03 with nothing. So therefore, I'm going to
17:05 hoard my energy. I'm going to hoard my
17:07 time, my knowledge, and only keep it to
17:10 me so that others don't have good ideas
17:13 or have my help. And from all the
17:15 different billionaires and millionaires
17:16 and financial leaders in the world that
17:18 I've interviewed, I know you've
17:21 interviewed a lot of them, there is a
17:22 question I would always ask individuals
17:25 who've made incredible amounts of money
17:28 and that keeps helping them create more
17:31 wealth year after year. And they all say
17:33 the same thing, those who have had a
17:35 sustainably good heart in the process is
17:36 that you have to have a generous
17:39 mindset. So the mindset habit is the
17:40 first thing that you have to think about
17:42 when creating abundance with your money,
17:45 but also feeling abundant internally and
17:47 it's coming with generosity. So if you
17:48 feel like you're stuck right now, if you
17:50 feel like you have nothing, this was
17:52 what you were at 8 years ago when I met
17:55 you. This was where I was at 15 years
17:57 ago when I was on my sister's couch. I
17:59 had no money. I was in student loan
18:02 debt. I was sleeping on her couch. I
18:04 didn't think I had any skills. I didn't
18:05 have a college degree yet. I was like,
18:07 how am I going to make money if I don't
18:08 know how to make money and I don't have
18:10 any talent or skill and I'm in debt. It
18:12 didn't understand it. It felt
18:15 impossible. And the thing that I shifted
18:17 when I started meeting money mentors is
18:19 I needed to learn the first habit which
18:21 is the mindset habit which is a habit of
18:23 generosity and gratitude. So what did
18:25 that look like then? What was the
18:27 practical step? What it looks like was
18:29 how do I meet money people, people who
18:31 have money, people who have success,
18:33 people can teach me knowledge. I needed
18:35 to come with a sense of energy, of
18:38 curiosity, of possibilities, and of joy.
18:40 I literally wrote a list down of all
18:42 these different things that I thought
18:43 were my talents. I go, "How can I make
18:46 money? I don't have any skills. I played
18:47 football and now I'm injured. What can I
18:49 do for people?" But I was like, "Well,
18:51 I'm really curious. Maybe I can just ask
18:53 people questions." And never did I think
18:55 in a million years that I could have a
18:58 12-year-old podcast just asking
18:59 questions and make millions of dollars a
19:01 year. I never thought that was possible.
19:03 I was in my early 20s and I was like,
19:05 you know what? I've got a lot of energy.
19:07 I've got a lot of passion. So, let me
19:09 bring passion and energy to other people
19:12 and excitement. And that energy was
19:14 infectious. And there's a currency
19:16 that's tied to that energy of passion,
19:19 joy, excitement, curiosity. That
19:21 currency may not look like money, but
19:24 for those who are older, who have no
19:26 more passion, they're burnt out, they're
19:28 exhausted, it is the highest form of
19:30 currency. They want that. They crave
19:33 that energy. They've burnt themselves
19:35 out for decades. They want to feel young
19:36 again. They want to feel curious again.
19:38 They want to feel excited again. And
19:40 when you come to someone with that
19:42 energy, you are bringing a different
19:44 mindset. So the mindset of curiosity,
19:47 joy, passion, presence, like just
19:49 connecting with someone and asking them
19:52 a question is such a valuable currency.
19:55 So we have to look into these untapped
19:57 skills, talents, currencies inside of us
19:59 that are hidden to others but inside of
20:02 us they can create magic. Yeah, that's
20:04 one of them. Another one is just being
20:06 generous with your time, with your
20:10 resources, with your ideas and helping
20:13 others succeed. I love that because I
20:14 didn't even know that then, but I was
20:16 doing it unconsciously. Yes, you were.
20:19 So, I really wanted to interview
20:22 incredible people, but I didn't have a
20:24 platform at the time when I met you. And
20:26 so, I'd partnered up with NASDAQ. And by
20:27 the way, just to be really clear with
20:29 everyone, I didn't get paid to do this.
20:31 So, NASDAQ had something where
20:33 everyone's using Facebook Live and I
20:35 said, "Hey, could I have an hour in the
20:38 NASDAQ building whenever I have an
20:40 amazing guest that says yes, so that I
20:43 can interview them on NASDAQ Live?" And
20:45 they would put the picture up on the
20:47 middle of Time Square on a billboard. So
20:49 now I could reach out to people I looked
20:50 up to. That's the reason why I went on
20:52 the show. Exactly. So I didn't know who
20:53 you were until I saw, hey, I can get you
20:55 on a billboard on Time Square. I go,
20:57 that's value to me right now. I'm being
20:59 generous and I'm trying to find a way
21:01 because I don't have anything to offer,
21:03 but I admire you. And it was all people
21:04 I admired. It was yourself. It was Ryan
21:06 Holidayiday said yes. Me and Ryan had
21:08 met maybe once before that, but Ryan
21:09 came on that show. And there were a
21:11 bunch of other authors. Deepak Chopra
21:13 came on that show with me and it was all
21:15 people that I'd admired, looked up to
21:18 for a long time and exactly that that's
21:19 how first of all we became great friends
21:22 off of it. But the point is it's exactly
21:24 what you're saying that even though I
21:26 felt I had nothing to offer, I had to
21:29 find a way to create something to offer
21:31 someone of value. I didn't get paid for
21:33 it for that show. I didn't get paid to
21:35 run it. I didn't make any money from it.
21:37 But it created an opportunity for me to
21:39 connect with friends, to connect with
21:41 people that were doing incredible things
21:43 and of course allowed me to showcase my
21:44 talents so that then I could show it to
21:46 other people. I remember I had Ryan
21:50 Harwood on the show who founded Pure Wow
21:52 and he just sold it to Gary Vee and
21:54 that's how I met Gary. So Ryan came on
21:56 my show and he was just like, "Jay, I
21:58 love you. You're a great interviewer.
21:59 Like you have such great energy." He was
22:01 he really liked my passion and he said,
22:03 "You got to come meet Gary." And I was
22:05 like, "No way. like I love Gary. And so
22:07 he took me to meet Gary for the first
22:08 time. We had a meeting in his office and
22:10 that's how I built my relationship with
22:12 him. It was all thanks to Ryan. And so
22:13 when you think about it now, like when
22:15 I'm I've never thought about it until
22:16 what you're saying. Now when I look
22:18 back, Ryan's been on the podcast like
22:20 four times now, whatever. I love his
22:23 books. So many relationships came out of
22:25 that. And so I think when you live in a
22:27 world of I have nothing to offer and I
22:29 don't have anything, it becomes really
22:31 hard to create. And most people think
22:34 when I have nothing, I need to take from
22:36 someone else. Yes, I don't have
22:39 anything. So, I can't give anything if I
22:40 don't have it. So, I need someone to
22:41 give me money right now cuz I'm broke.
22:44 I'm poor. I'm stuck. I'm stressed. I'm
22:47 anxious. I can't think out of myself.
22:50 And this first habit is really gratitude
22:52 and generosity is the gateway to
22:55 abundance. And it may not mean you're
22:56 going to make money right away. We didn't
23:04 make you over time. We helped each other
23:06 create more abundance together. Not only
23:08 financially, which we've done together,
23:12 but a type of richness that isn't about
23:15 money. And this book again, it's it's a
23:17 money book, but it's really like it
23:18 doesn't matter how much money you have
23:20 if you don't feel like you have a rich
23:22 life inside of you. That's real. It does
23:25 not matter how much is in your bank
23:27 account, how big your net worth is. If
23:29 you don't feel like you have an abundant
23:31 life, if you're stressed, if you're
23:32 overwhelmed, if you're anxious, if
23:36 you're constantly in drama, that is not
23:39 abundance. A high net worth does not
23:42 mean you are free. And the goal is for
23:45 us to feel free every moment of our
23:48 lives as often as possible and allow
23:51 money to be a tool to create incredible
23:53 opportunities, memories, moments where
23:55 you can be generous with it with the
23:57 people you care about, the causes you
23:59 care about, the institutions you care
24:02 about to serve more people and feel good
24:05 about doing it, not feel bad about doing
24:07 it. And that's part of this process.
24:10 Most people when they lack money, they
24:12 want to take from others. They want
24:14 someone to help them. And you need to
24:16 flip it on its head and say, "How can I
24:17 help others?" Even when I have nothing,
24:20 that is the time to be more generous and
24:22 in more gratitude and say, "Thank you
24:24 for this opportunity." Even if you have
24:26 to just lie to yourself for a moment and
24:28 say, "I'm stuck. I'm on my sister's
24:30 couch. I have no money. I'm 4 months. In
24:31 4 months, I'm going to be out of an
24:32 apartment and I don't know where the
24:34 money's coming." Just say, "Thank you,
24:36 God. Thank you, Universe, for this
24:37 opportunity to learn. Yeah. This
24:39 opportunity to grow because I'll never
24:41 be here again. I interview I don't know
24:43 if you've had Ken Honda on, but he wrote
24:45 I know Happy Money had him on. Dude,
24:47 he's so cool. I love this approach to
24:49 this and he's talking similar style
24:51 about how do you just live a rich life
24:53 irrelevant of whether you have money or
24:55 not? And again, this is what I want
24:57 people to get to. When you are poor,
24:58 when you're broke, when you're
25:00 struggling financially, it feels really
25:04 hard to feel abundant and rich. And we
25:06 want to start shifting our thoughts, our
25:08 emotions, and our energy on, okay, I
25:10 know I'm in this financial situation. It
25:12 doesn't feel good, but in order to get
25:14 out of it, it's not feeling worse about
25:17 it. It's starting to feel better about
25:19 me, better about my values, my
25:22 character, my kindness, my generosity,
25:24 and seeing how can I add value to
25:26 others. And that's the first thing we
25:27 need to be thinking about. How can I get
25:31 into a richness inside of me to serve
25:33 others and take care of me at the same
25:36 time? And one of the practices or these
25:38 social experiments or exercises similar
25:41 to you that Ken has is that whenever
25:42 money comes to him, whether it's a
25:45 check, whether it's a Venmo payment,
25:46 whatever it might be, he just says thank
25:48 you to that money. He looks at that
25:50 number. If it's a penny, if it's a
25:52 million dollars, if it's your your
25:54 normal check you get coming in in the
25:56 mail every two weeks, he looks at it and
25:58 says, "Thank you." And literally opens
26:01 his heart and loves that money that
26:04 comes to him. He says, "Thank you. Where
26:06 do you want to go? Do you want to go to
26:08 my bank account? Do you want to go to my
26:09 savings? Do you want to go to
26:10 investments? Do you want to go towards
26:11 paying off debt? Do you want me to give
26:14 you away?" And it might be a weird kind
26:17 of like exercise, but I love this
26:19 approach to just being mindful of money
26:21 when it comes. Say thank you. And then
26:23 when you pay bills, when you pay off
26:25 debt, say thank you as well. Thank you
26:27 for allowing me to pay off this debt.
26:29 Thank you for paying my cell phone bill
26:31 so I can call my friends and family that
26:34 I love. Thank you for the ability to
26:37 live a richer life. Yeah. And when we
26:40 start to approach money in that way, it
26:42 doesn't mean money's going to fall from
26:44 the sky and come to us abundantly, but
26:46 we're going to start to feel more rich
26:49 and abundant internally, which that
26:51 energy is what will attract more
26:53 opportunities. Those opportunities could
26:56 lead to millions. this hostess that came
26:58 to you, she brought that thankful
27:01 energy, that present energy, that
27:04 loving, joyful, curious energy, and it
27:07 created an abundance of opportunities
27:09 and connection. You've reminded me of
27:11 two really amazing things that I love
27:12 that I want to throw out because they're
27:15 not us, it's about other people. Last
27:16 night, I was at a premiere of a new show
27:18 coming out on Hulu called Delhi Boys.
27:20 Uh, it's a full South Asian cast. I was
27:22 really excited to be just at the
27:24 premiere and just seeing my friends
27:26 like, you know, do this amazing thing.
27:28 And it was fascinating because me and
27:30 Lily Singh were together. You know,
27:31 Lily. And so me and Lily were together
27:34 and we're hanging out and this guy said,
27:35 "Hey, can I film you for two seconds?"
27:37 He was working at the event and I
27:39 believe this is what he does on his own.
27:40 I I don't know his name, but I'll have
27:43 to find it. And he took a quick swipe of
27:44 Lily, like one shot, and she was like,
27:46 "Oh my god, Jay, you got to do this." He
27:48 took a quick side with me. He edited it
27:50 on the spot and he created this amazing
27:53 reel of the event like and he was just
27:54 doing it with quick and he was taking
27:56 like two seconds of our time and me and
27:57 Lily both turned around and go is this
27:58 what you do like how can we work with
28:00 you and like you know because it was it
28:02 was such a great skill and he was
28:04 showcasing his talent. He didn't ask he
28:06 didn't charge us. He didn't ask for us
28:08 or anything. He showed us his talent and
28:09 all of a sudden both of us were like
28:11 this. A few months ago I went to a
28:13 restaurant that I never been to with
28:16 some friends. This wasn't like a fancy
28:18 restaurant just you know it was it was a
28:19 great restaurant but it wasn't like
28:22 fancy or anything like that. The uh lady
28:25 who was um
28:27 uh hosting she had so much energy and so
28:29 much passion. She was like taking our
28:31 order but then when we asked her for
28:33 recommendation she knew every detail and
28:35 like she got three job offers at that
28:37 table. Me and my friend and everyone
28:39 like what do you do? What do you want to
28:41 do? Like let's hire you. Yeah. let's
28:42 hire you because we just there was such
28:45 an energy and so what you're saying is
28:47 so true cuz I'm now looking back at my
28:50 own life and thinking about moments
28:53 where I've had that visceral reaction to
28:54 someone and she was like this is what I
28:55 want to do this my dream and one of my
28:57 mates was like all right well let's
28:59 connect like I you know he he thinks she
29:00 could work with him but it was again the
29:02 same thing you're saying it was just
29:03 energy and passion energy she didn't
29:05 have any other she didn't have it didn't
29:07 matter about her college resume we had
29:08 looked at it doesn't matter what skill
29:10 other skills you have if you have
29:13 energy, passion and a curiosity to care
29:16 about someone, you can go so far in that
29:18 potential relationship. Speaking about,
29:20 you know, hostess or or waiters or
29:22 waitresses, there were studies that
29:25 psychologists did around tipping and
29:27 waiters. And I don't know the exact
29:29 statistic. I know it was over a certain
29:30 amount, but I don't know the exact
29:32 percentage, but there are three things
29:35 that you can do as a waiter to make more
29:37 money getting higher tips based on
29:39 psychology and these studies. One is
29:41 just introducing yourself and saying
29:43 your name. My name is Louisis House.
29:45 What's your name? Thanks for being here
29:48 today. Saying your name creates a deeper
29:50 connection. I agree. Making a
29:52 recommendation of something you said she
29:54 was making recommendations. Oh, you
29:55 know, making a recommendation. Hey, I
29:57 really recommend this if you're into
29:59 this or these are the best two options I
30:01 would recommend. Gets you a higher
30:03 chance of getting a better tip. And
30:05 complimenting the person on their food
30:08 choice. I'll have the burger or the
30:11 vegan burger. That's a great choice.
30:13 Those three things will increase your
30:15 ability to earn more tips and it's not
30:17 like you had some other skill. You just
30:19 created connection with someone and you
30:21 were trying to bring that energy to
30:24 them. Yeah. And money is an energy and
30:26 how we think and how we feel will
30:30 dictate the energy we have towards it.
30:32 And also you create money through your
30:36 energy. And so she had a certain energy
30:37 with you and you're like, "Man, this is
30:38 amazing." You're recommending it to
30:40 millions of people about this person
30:42 that you just met for the first time.
30:44 It's like you could create so many
30:46 opportunities for not only financial
30:49 abundance, but spiritual abundance by
30:53 bringing generosity, curiosity, energy,
30:56 joy, and love to someone's life. And it
30:58 doesn't have to take hours. This was 5
31:00 minutes of this person's time. She got
31:03 three job offers over that night. Yeah.
31:04 She could have had a different energy
31:06 and said, "Okay, here's your table. Sit
31:09 down." And she would have had nothing.
31:10 But she could have went to Harvard and
31:12 had all these other skills and none of
31:14 that would have mattered without the
31:15 energy she brought. People who don't
31:17 know this story or have forgotten about
31:19 it, like Drock and Gary Vee, like that's
31:21 their journey, right? Like Drock
31:23 basically went up to Gary and was like,
31:24 "Hey, I'll just edit videos for you for
31:26 free." And now he's been traveling the
31:28 world with Gary for the last god knows
31:30 how long they've been working together.
31:31 Yeah. and he's such a great guy and he's
31:33 awesome and it's just but it all came
31:35 from that that idea of hey I'm just
31:36 going to edit these videos for you and
31:38 do this and again going back to what we
31:39 said before is like when you have no
31:41 money when you're broke when you feel
31:43 stressed out overwhelmed burnt out you
31:46 lost your job you feel like you need
31:50 help and you may need help and the best
31:53 way to create abundance is to go from
31:56 helplessness to helpfulness so instead
31:59 of saying I feel helpless I don't know
32:00 what to do you've got how to flip and to
32:02 say, "How can I be helpful? How can I
32:05 help myself, but by also helping someone
32:07 else? How can I shift out of this
32:09 negative energy into an energy of
32:11 abundance, which is so hard to do when
32:12 you have nothing?" I remember for a year
32:14 and a half feeling trapped on my
32:16 sister's couch with no money, thinking,
32:18 "How am I going to do this?" And there's
32:20 just got to be a decision where you
32:21 say,"I am going to get up and I'm going
32:23 to get out of this funk, out of this
32:26 energy and choose and decide to bring
32:28 energy to someone else without asking
32:30 for anything in return." And when you do
32:32 that, you'll start to build momentum.
32:33 And that's what's going to help you get
32:35 to the next level. The biggest trap is
32:38 when you feel scarce and you start
32:40 making money and you still feel trapped.
32:43 When you see everyone else having fun
32:45 with money and going on that trip with
32:47 their girlfriends or buying that
32:48 expensive car to show off to their guy
32:51 friendss or getting the nice watches or
32:53 having the cool shoes and you thinking,
32:55 "Oh, if I could really have money, then
32:56 I could have these things that would
32:59 make me feel cool or feel better." But
33:01 if we can approach life and just be
33:04 like, "Man, life is so good with what I
33:07 have." That is true wealth. I asked
33:10 them, you know, if money walked in and
33:11 you were at a party, how would you
33:14 respond? And they said, I would run to
33:17 the bar. I would not make eye contact. I
33:19 would gossip behind their back to other
33:22 people there about money. I would look
33:23 down at them, but then I would use them
33:25 and abuse them because I would really
33:27 need money. And I would ghost them
33:30 afterwards. And I go and I go, "Wow."
33:31 And they were like, "Yeah, I know. It's
33:33 really bad." But they were being honest.
33:35 So I want people to be honest like what
33:36 is your relationship with money? And
33:39 just imagine if you were money and
33:41 someone treated you that way. I remember
33:43 the day after I realized I was 4 months
33:45 away from being broke. I must have
33:48 emailed a thousand people saying, "I
33:50 will do anything. Here are my skills. I
33:53 will edit. I will edit videos. I will
33:56 consult. I'll run your social media."
33:57 Those weren't things I wanted to do with
34:00 my life. But I needed to create a
34:01 foundation from which I could then
34:03 invest that into what I wanted to do.
34:06 And actually that year, everything I
34:07 made, I invested into starting this
34:10 podcast. So everything I made this year
34:12 went into launching on purpose because
34:14 that's not what I wanted to do. I didn't
34:16 want to edit other people's videos. I
34:18 didn't want to launch social media
34:20 profiles. I didn't want to coach and
34:23 consult, but I had those skills. And I
34:24 think this is one of the things
34:27 sometimes is that we all have skills
34:29 that are valuable somewhere. And they
34:30 may not be the skills that you want to
34:32 do for the rest of your life. Wow. But
34:34 this season of life, the season of life.
34:35 And I think there's something to be said
34:38 for that because we all want to be paid
34:40 for what we love doing. But even my life
34:42 today, I have there's a lot of things I
34:44 have to do. Yes. And there's a lot of
34:46 things I love to do. And that's life.
34:48 Yeah. And like you said, the seasonal
34:50 side of things, like when I was just
34:51 getting started making money, this was
34:55 in 2008, 2009, 2010. I was using
34:57 LinkedIn as a platform and a tool to
35:00 meet CEOs, executives, and business
35:02 leaders. And I was helping them
35:04 originally with their LinkedIn profile
35:06 to just saying, "Hey, how can I help you
35:08 optimize your profile? I see that it's
35:10 missing some things here. I'll do it for
35:12 free." And I did this to build
35:13 relationships with them. And through
35:15 that, they just all wanted to help me
35:17 and give back to me. And then eventually
35:18 someone said, "Hey, I'll pay you for
35:20 this. This is really helpful." Then I
35:21 was like, "Oh, I can make money on
35:23 LinkedIn. It's not what I wanted to do,
35:25 but I had a skill to do it right then."
35:28 So I did that for a few years. And once
35:30 I had that foundation, I used that money
35:31 to launch the school of greatness as
35:32 well because I had a couple years of
35:35 runway now. And I didn't want to do that
35:37 forever, but I did it for the season. I
35:40 got skills, I made money, and I created
35:42 a sense of freedom for myself to do what
35:44 I really wanted to do later. Yeah. What
35:45 do you have to say to people who are
35:47 saying like you can manifest money? Do
35:49 you agree with that idea of It's an
35:50 interesting story. I was in New York
35:53 last week and I said to myself and I
35:54 have a lot of these different exercises
35:57 and games in in the book to just give
35:59 people as social experiments. I I think
36:01 it's really powerful to give yourself
36:03 experiment because I think when you
36:05 experiment, you allow yourself to explore
36:06 explore
36:08 possibilities. And when you create an
36:10 experiment for yourself, you allow for
36:13 the idea of magic to enter your life.
36:14 So, I want you to just as you're
36:15 watching or listening, I want you to
36:19 say, "I allow for magic and abundance to
36:21 manifest in my life. I'm going to create
36:24 a a possibility that this can happen in
36:26 my life, a moment, a synchronicity.
36:28 Someone might call me out of the blue.
36:30 Someone might hand me money randomly.
36:31 I'm going to allow for this moment to
36:34 happen and this magic to happen." So, I
36:35 said to myself, I want to follow my own
36:38 practices, right? And I went to see our
36:40 friend Mel Robbins in Boston. And I was
36:42 in New York for a few days and I just
36:44 said to myself, "Money comes to me
36:46 abundantly and freely and it I see it
36:48 everywhere." I just said this to myself
36:50 every morning when I woke up and when I
36:51 went out of the hotel, I said, "Money
36:53 comes to me abundantly and freely and I
36:54 see it
36:57 everywhere." And I'm a magnet for money.
36:59 I'm a magnet for money. I just kept
37:00 saying this energy. I'm a magnet for
37:02 money. I was just playful, this social
37:04 experiment. And when I was at Mel's, a
37:06 penny dropped on the floor. Someone was
37:08 carrying a box and a penny fell. And I
37:10 said, "Oh, look. Money comes to me. I
37:11 see it everywhere. There's a penny.
37:13 Yeah. There's a point to this story. And
37:15 I pick it up and I say, "Mel, do you
37:16 want this?" And she goes, "No, it's
37:17 yours." And I go, "Thank you. I
37:20 receive." Because when I relax, I
37:22 receive. And I'm a magnet for money.
37:24 Even it was a penny. I could notice it.
37:26 And I was like, "All right, it came to
37:28 me. See, here's a win. Here's a little
37:30 win. Let me do this again." The next
37:32 day, I go to uh New York City and I'm in
37:34 the subway. It's freezing right now in
37:36 New York. It's like 15°. And I'm just
37:38 saying this to myself in the subway. And
37:40 as I get off the subway, I go up the
37:43 stairs and it's freaking filthy in the
37:44 New York subway, right? And the stairs
37:46 are dirty. And I see a penny heads up.
37:48 And I thought to myself, "This is
37:50 filthy. This is dirty. It's not
37:53 valuable. It's not enough money. I don't
37:54 need to pick this up." But I was like,
37:55 "No, I'm doing this experiment. Money
37:57 comes to me abundantly and freely. I'm a
37:59 magnet for money and I'm going to
38:01 manifest money." Right? And so I see
38:03 it's heads up. I pick it up, put in my
38:04 pocket, and I just say, "Thank you,
38:06 money, for coming to me." The next day,
38:08 I put it on my bedside table. I don't
38:09 think anything of it. The next day I
38:12 wake up and I look at this penny and I
38:13 said because I'm doing this experiment
38:15 every day. I'm a magnet for money. Money
38:17 comes to me abundantly and freely. And I
38:20 look at it as a reminder. These two
38:22 pennies. Look, this is a reminder that
38:24 money came to me. Maybe it's not
38:26 thousands of dollars or millions of
38:27 dollars. It's not something that's
38:29 magically right here, but it's a
38:31 reminder that something is
38:33 possible. And I flipped over this one p.
38:35 Oh, no. I looked at the penny cuz it was
38:37 heads up. And I noticed something. I go,
38:40 "Oh, that's really interesting." It said
38:43 1945 on this penny. That's an
38:45 80-year-old penny. And I go, "Huh,
38:46 that's unique. I haven't seen a penny
38:48 that old in a long time." And I flip it
38:50 over and I notice something. And I get
38:51 chills thinking about it. I notice it's
38:53 a wheat penny. I don't know if you know
38:55 what a wheat penny is. No, I don't. So,
38:57 a wheat penny looks different than a
38:59 normal penny. It's got like two stalks
39:02 of wheat on the outside of the penny.
39:04 It's this old penny. And I look it up
39:06 and I Google
39:10 1945 wheat penny value and one just
39:12 sold. I I kid you not, I get chills
39:14 thinking about it. One just sold. Guess
39:17 for how much? I have no idea. $4,000. No
39:21 way. Online. One sold for $4,000. Now
39:22 it's all based on the condition and all
39:24 these different things. Like, who knows?
39:26 Maybe it's worth $20. Maybe it's worth
39:29 $5,000. Maybe it's worth $100. But the
39:32 idea is that there was more value inside
39:34 of that penny than what met the eye
39:37 originally. Yeah. And the experiment of
39:40 let me be open to possibilities for
39:42 money to come to me. And what I thought
39:45 was two pennies might be
39:47 $2,000. And all I had to do was be
39:49 willing to look for it. Yeah. Be willing
39:52 to pick it up and say, "I receive. Thank
39:54 you." If I didn't look for it, if I
39:56 didn't set that intention, if I didn't
39:59 see the possibilities in front of me, I
40:00 may not have received that penny that
40:02 could have would be worth thousands. And
40:05 it's the same thing in life. We may not
40:06 see the opportunity in front of us right
40:08 now. We may not reach out to the people
40:10 we already know and say, "Hey, this is
40:12 what I'm looking to create in my life. I
40:14 have these skills. I have these talents.
40:15 Is there anything that you need right
40:17 now that I can be of service for you
40:19 with?" Yeah. And that's for that first
40:22 year. How you created multiple six
40:24 figures in that first year when you had
40:26 nothing was reaching out to hundreds of
40:28 people. That was you either setting the
40:30 intention, seeing that there might be
40:33 possibilities and doing the work to
40:35 manifest hundreds of thousands that
40:38 first 6 months. So by doing that effort,
40:41 setting the intention, by saying I'm
40:43 open to possibilities, I'm open to
40:45 receiving opportunities that come to me,
40:46 but I have to be willing to look for
40:47 them. I have to be willing to ask for
40:49 them. I have to be willing to put myself
40:51 out there and receive and say, "Yes,
40:53 thank you. I will do this work." And
40:54 that's what I think people need to be
40:56 thinking about. Can you manifest
40:58 millions? Yes. If you're willing to set
41:00 a clear intention, if you're willing to
41:01 reach out and say, "Here's what I'm
41:04 willing to offer and add value in. I
41:06 want to help you achieve these goals.
41:08 You're creating more potential to
41:10 manifest money." Yeah. I love that Penny
41:12 story because I'll tell you a bit about
41:14 what what I do and I I do a similar
41:16 thing and it comes from my tradition. So
41:17 do you have a do you have a money
41:19 mantra? Not we don't say something but
41:20 there's I'll tell you about it. Yeah. So
41:24 there's a so in our tradition there's a
41:28 god or a goddess for each aspect of
41:30 society. And so there is god as in
41:32 there's there's one god but then there's
41:34 loads of different gods for different
41:36 departments of society. Kind of like you
41:38 have a president or a prime minister and
41:40 then you have like the cabinet and that
41:42 who's the money god. So it's a goddess
41:44 called Lakshmi. That's lmi. Yeah.
41:46 Laxshmi means wealth or fortune. It's
41:47 like luxury almost. Yeah. Like laxmi.
41:49 Yeah. Maybe that's where it comes from.
41:50 Who knows? But Laxshmi is the goddess of
41:53 fortune or the goddess of wealth. And so
41:56 you would never ever put your foot on a
41:58 goddess. So whenever you're walking the
42:01 streets and you see pennies around,
42:02 you're never meant to just walk past
42:03 them. You're actually meant to pick them
42:05 up and put them to your head. So that's
42:07 kind of like part of our culture. And so
42:08 whenever I'm walking around the streets
42:09 of New York or LA, wherever I am or
42:11 subways, I do the same thing. I'll
42:13 always pick it up. And it's really funny
42:14 because someone who's with me will be
42:15 like, "What are you doing?" Like, you
42:17 know, like why are you doing that? I'm
42:19 like because I'm showing respect. I'm
42:21 actually showing respect to the goddess
42:23 of fortune. So good, man. And so that's
42:24 what it is. It's like I'm showing
42:26 respect to the goddess of fortune by
42:27 picking it up. And usually you give that
42:29 money to charity or whatever it may be.
42:30 It's not it's not you're trying to keep
42:32 on it. You may give it away, whatever.
42:34 But the point is you're saying I'm not
42:37 disrespecting the goddess of fortune
42:39 wherever I see her. That's beautiful.
42:40 because I want to have a respectful
42:42 relationship with money. I actually
42:44 really love practices like that because
42:46 I think it goes back to the point you're
42:49 making that we have a relationship with
42:51 everything. You have a relationship with
42:52 your body. You have a relationship with
42:53 your mind. You have a relationship with
42:55 your partner and you have a relationship
42:58 with money. And so speaking to money and
43:00 speaking about money is something you
43:02 have to do if you want to love that
43:04 thing and you want it to love you back.
43:05 Right? If you never talk about your
43:07 partner and you never talk to your
43:08 partner, how are they going to love you
43:10 and how are you going to love them?
43:12 Imagine you're, you know, Rody for the
43:14 next month, you never say thank you.
43:16 Yeah. You never look her in the eyes.
43:18 You never speak to her. You avoid her
43:19 constantly. Imagine like your
43:20 relationship's going to suffer. You
43:22 know, I'm sure you guys will figure it
43:25 out. But imagine that's a lifetime of a
43:27 relationship. It cannot survive. And
43:29 here's a great question that I want
43:31 everyone to ask themselves and another
43:33 exercise that I want everyone to think
43:35 about right now. Whether you're watching
43:37 or listening, I want you to comment on
43:39 the YouTube below what opened up for you
43:41 during this moment. And I'm going to
43:44 give you the exercise, Jay. So imagine
43:45 this door
43:49 opens and it's a person. And this person
43:53 is money. It's the idea of money. It's a
43:56 person that walks in, right? Is money.
44:00 And could you as an example for people
44:03 to imagine this as well? What does that
44:06 person look like when they come in? What
44:09 would you do? What would you say or not
44:11 say? Could you could you share kind of
44:12 what that would be like for you? Money.
44:14 A person walks in, they are money. They
44:16 the representation of your relationship
44:18 with money. Yeah. How would you show up
44:20 and react? So in our culture, because it
44:21 would be Lakshmi walking in, I'll show
44:24 you a visual of her afterwards. You
44:26 would actually bow down. Like you'd have
44:28 that and that's a sign of respect, not a
44:30 sign of surrender or subjugation, but a
44:33 sign of respect. Like you'd bow. You'd
44:35 offer her whatever she wanted. Like
44:36 you'd be like, what what do you need?
44:38 Like what would you like? What would you
44:40 would you like a place to sit? Kind of
44:41 like a guest in your home. Like a
44:42 generous host. You treat them like a
44:43 guest in your home. Yeah. Like what
44:45 would you like? Can you can I get you
44:47 something to drink? You know, whatever
44:49 it may be. Obviously, she's a goddess.
44:50 She don't need anything. But the point
44:52 is that's how the hospitality would
44:54 still be carried through. That's cool.
44:56 And then you'd thank her as well. Like
44:59 you'd start every connection with a with
45:00 a god or a goddess with gratitude. So
45:05 there'd be like a a genuine appreciation
45:07 and an ability to share how you feel.
45:08 Like I think being vulnerable and
45:10 saying, "Hey, like it's been really
45:11 tough this month. Like I'm really
45:13 struggling right now. Like this is what
45:14 I'm going through. Like I need your
45:17 help." Like a prayer almost interesting
45:19 of sorts. That's beautiful. And I asked
45:20 I've been asking a lot of people this
45:22 and so I love to hear people's responses
45:24 and be honest in the the YouTube
45:26 comments below of your relationship with
45:29 money. I asked someone close to me uh
45:30 someone younger probably in their late
45:33 20s. I asked them you know if money
45:35 walked in and you were at a party how
45:38 would you respond? And they said I would
45:40 run to the bar. I would not make eye
45:42 contact. I would gossip behind their
45:45 back to other people there about money.
45:47 I would look down at them, but then I
45:48 would use them and abuse them because I
45:50 would really need money. And I would
45:53 ghost them afterwards. And I go and I
45:55 go, "Wow." And they were like, "Yeah, I
45:56 know. It's really bad." But they were
45:58 being honest. So I want people to be
46:00 honest. Like what is your relationship
46:01 with money? And just imagine that's
46:04 crazy. If you were money and someone
46:05 treated you that way, if they wouldn't
46:07 look at you, they would avoid you. They
46:09 speak poorly behind your back. They
46:10 would use and abuse you when they wanted
46:12 you and then they ghost you when they
46:14 didn't want to talk to you. Do you think
46:16 money would want to keep showing up in
46:18 your life if they were a person? Yeah,
46:19 definitely. If they were a person, would
46:21 they want to be in your life? Would they
46:24 feel this isn't a good relationship for
46:26 me? And your show is all about helping
46:28 people get healed, healthy, and whole.
46:30 And if you want to create a richer, more
46:32 abundant life, you have to create a
46:35 healthy relationship with money in your
46:38 life. And look at it as if this was a
46:41 love of my life. Not in a worshshiping
46:44 like I worship it no matter what, but
46:46 more of like this is like a person that
46:48 I love and I want to treat them with
46:51 care. I want to be a great host. How can
46:53 I show up? And it doesn't mean it's
46:55 always going to be perfect, but how can
46:57 I show up and be generous, be kind, be
47:01 patient, listen, be aware, and be of
47:03 service to it. Yeah, I think make a huge
47:05 difference. Huge difference. I'm not
47:06 saying you haven't had a beautiful
47:09 abundant, peaceful life as well with
47:11 money, but I would bet to say that
47:14 you've also experienced stress and
47:16 overwhelm with money for sure more than
47:18 having no money. And a lot of people get
47:21 blocked because they know that like, oh,
47:23 more money, more problems is another
47:25 like money lie, right? Or money like
47:26 wound that people might have. Like, I
47:27 don't want to make more money cuz I see
47:29 people who do have money, they're
47:31 constantly stressed, they're not
47:33 generous with it, they're stingy, they
47:34 don't even tip at all. they're even more
47:36 stingy with it and they have it. So,
47:37 what's the point of having it if they're
47:39 not generous? I don't want to be like
47:42 that. And there can be money traps or
47:44 money wounds when you have money if you
47:45 haven't learned how to heal that
47:47 relationship. And so, it's learning how
47:49 to heal the relationship so that when
47:52 you grow your net worth, you also
47:55 increase your self-worth inside and feel
47:58 peaceful about it. You expand your
48:00 nervous system, your container to
48:03 receive abundantly. So, it's not scary.
48:06 It's not stressful. You can receive more
48:08 and you can give more because you know
48:09 that the more you relax, the more you
48:11 receive. And when you give, it's going
48:13 to come back in some way. I struggled
48:16 with that. My first six, seven, eight
48:17 years of making money. I hoarded money
48:20 cuz I was afraid to go broke again. And
48:22 it limited me in certain ways and it
48:24 made me feel stressful and it made me
48:25 feel like people were trying to take
48:26 advantage of me and take my money. It
48:30 doesn't feel rich having money and
48:32 living in scarcity still. There was a
48:35 beautiful thing that we'd always repeat
48:37 in the monastery. It was like God
48:39 doesn't see what you give. God sees what
48:42 you hold back. And so there's not this,
48:43 you know, because we can sometimes
48:45 become egotistical about how much we
48:47 give. And it's like you got one hand
48:48 behind your back. And that's you just
48:50 made that point. It's that it's that
48:53 pinch. It's that are you giving where
48:55 there's a challenge to give? Because
48:57 that's where we're healing. Because you
48:59 can get really egotistical like hey if
49:00 you were worth a billion and you signed
49:03 a million dollar check like I've I know
49:04 people that are making 3 million in
49:07 interest a day like so you writing a
49:10 million dollar check is not the same.
49:11 This also applies when you have very
49:13 little. So my parents who didn't make a
49:16 lot when they were giving um felt like a
49:18 lot. It felt like a lot. And so like
49:20 what we're saying is that that this
49:24 thought of being a giver has to be core
49:26 to us. You know, my dad was a lot like
49:28 that, too. He had strangers knocking on
49:30 the door that somehow convinced him to
49:33 to stay with us for like 3 months in the
49:36 summer. Uh who were and he just opened
49:38 his doors and said yes. Like, okay. And
49:40 so he was just like like your parents
49:42 like okay, you need a place to stay for
49:43 a week, a month, two months, cool, we'll
49:45 figure it out. We'll feed you. We'll do
49:46 this as long as we feel like you're
49:47 doing something good and we're trying to
49:50 support you. And I think it's you don't
49:52 have to give money to feel rich. Yes.
49:54 You can be very generous with your time,
49:56 with your resources in other ways, with
49:59 your food. It's like you can give in
50:02 other ways and create a richness of
50:05 life. And that's the key is to feel rich
50:07 and abundant and free. And if you feel
50:10 that when you start making money, you're
50:12 going to continue to feel free. The
50:15 biggest trap is when you feel scarce and
50:17 you start making money and you still
50:21 feel trapped. You still don't feel free.
50:23 That is an even greater prison in my
50:25 mind that you're living in scarcity when
50:27 you have money. I mean, there's so many
50:28 people right now that have the pressure
50:30 to save money because we've been talking
50:32 about making money. Yes. But there's
50:33 this pressure to save money. And how do
50:35 you find that balance between spending
50:38 comfortably if you have the ability
50:40 versus like saving for your future or
50:42 your family? Like how do you think about
50:44 that version? Well, I think when you can
50:46 live beneath your means and feel
50:49 abundant, you've won. So, when you live
50:51 beneath your means and you don't need
50:54 extra stuff, you've won. I just watched
50:57 um The Count of Monte Cristo the other
51:00 night. It's an incredible movie of a guy
51:03 who has nothing who was born by, you
51:05 know, back in the I don't know 1700s or
51:07 something. It's a period piece. He was
51:09 born of like a clerk, a guy who makes no
51:12 money. And his friend was born of like
51:14 some general who had a lot of money or
51:17 something. And this poor kid that grew
51:20 up friends didn't have anything, but he
51:23 had the world. He had no money, no
51:26 possessions, but he just approached life
51:28 was like, man, but here's a piece of
51:29 string. Here's a rock that I can play
51:31 with. Like, I can just imagine the
51:34 beauty of the world. And he appreciated
51:36 everything even though he had no money.
51:39 And I think in some ways it's so hard to
51:41 look at that when we see Instagram and
51:42 Tik Tok where everyone has things.
51:44 That's the hard part. Yeah. when you see
51:47 everyone else having fun with money and
51:48 going on that trip with their
51:50 girlfriends or buying that expensive car
51:52 to show off to their guy friends or
51:54 getting the nice watches or having the
51:57 cool shoes and you thinking, "Oh, if I
51:58 could really have money, then I could
52:00 have these things that would make me
52:03 feel cool or feel better." But if we can
52:05 approach life and just be like, "Man,
52:09 life is so good with what I have." That
52:11 is true wealth. That is true abundance
52:13 and happiness. And it doesn't mean you
52:15 shouldn't strive to create more. If you
52:16 want more, if you want to have nice
52:18 shoes or a nice watch, cool. You got to
52:20 learn how to make money. And you want to
52:22 learn how to make money easy, not make
52:25 money hard. And that that is a process
52:26 in developing these skills, these
52:28 talents within you and seeing how you
52:31 can monetize those skills. And I'm not
52:33 saying don't splurge on certain things
52:34 if you want to, but you have to
52:36 understand the consequences. If you're
52:38 going to splurge on something to have
52:41 fun with friends or go on trips and
52:43 spend this money that you maybe don't
52:45 have, just know there might be a
52:47 consequence to that later. If you have
52:49 to use a credit card, you have to pay
52:52 that debt with interest later. So, just
52:55 know there's a cost to splurging or
52:58 doing spending when you don't have it.
53:02 I'm a big fan of saving and investing so
53:04 that you can have freedom in the future
53:07 and feel rich continually and not
53:10 needing to buy things to feel richer.
53:13 Yeah. What about this idea of I want to
53:14 make money quick? Like I just want to
53:16 make a million dollars in a week. I want
53:19 to find that hack that solves my money
53:20 problems. Like what's your take on that?
53:22 Is that possible? I've got money wounds
53:25 and it's because I wanted to make easy
53:29 money in my past, not make money easy.
53:31 And I don't know anyone that doesn't
53:34 want to make easy money. Like our ego
53:36 wants it to come to us now and want to
53:38 find the quick hack or the the quick
53:40 investment that's going to 10x in two
53:42 months. Sure, there's always outliers
53:44 that figure out a way to do that, but
53:46 every time I've tried to do that, I've
53:48 lost my money and it's been painful. And
53:50 I'm like, "Okay, I think I've learned
53:51 that lesson, but here's this new like
53:54 quick, easy money opportunity." And
53:55 every time I do it again, I'm like,
53:58 "What was I thinking?" Yeah. You see
54:00 that others act like there's a way to do
54:02 it so easy. If you just invest in
54:04 crypto, if you just invest in this, if
54:06 you just do this thing, you're going to
54:08 make quick and easy money. I don't know
54:11 anyone who's made hundreds of millions,
54:13 millions, or billions who's lived that
54:16 way. They might have invested and gone
54:19 all in on one business and created
54:21 generational wealth. Or maybe they went
54:23 all in on investing in one main stock
54:27 that ended up 10 or 20xing over time.
54:31 But going the quick make easy money way
54:33 doesn't usually work and it's painful
54:35 lessons you have to live afterwards. So
54:37 I don't know. Have you ever made quick
54:39 easy money? No. No. I I haven't for
54:42 sure. And and I probably made mistakes
54:44 when I had a bad relationship with
54:47 money. Yeah. I remember my one of my
54:48 mentors in like
54:52 2013 told me to invest in crypto. And at
54:55 the time I thought to myself, it's a
54:58 scam. I've only got like I only like at
55:01 that time in my life, I probably had
55:04 $1,000, right, saved because I'd just
55:06 come out. I just started working. I
55:08 didn't have the money. So I was thinking
55:10 $1,000, what's it going to do? Obviously
55:12 I was stupid. I didn't know. That also
55:14 wouldn't have been quick. It would have
55:15 taken 10 15 years. Yeah. That's the
55:17 thing. It's like 12. We could always
55:19 look back and say, "Oh, our friend told
55:20 us to invest in this thing 10 years
55:22 ago." And if I imagine if I did it 10
55:24 years Yeah. Just like any stock. If you
55:26 invest in it and wait 10 years, it
55:28 should go up if the company continues to
55:30 do well. I've never made easy money. And
55:32 I Well, here's You actually You actually
55:34 have made easy money after putting in a
55:37 decade plus of work. a decade of
55:39 developing skills, of monetizing your
55:41 skills, and following the seven habits
55:43 we talk about in this book, which is
55:45 yeah, you can make easy money now. You
55:47 can get paid hundreds of thousands of
55:49 dollars to speak for 60 minutes because
55:52 you've added so much value in the world
55:55 for the past decade plus and even a
55:58 decade before that of spiritual practice
55:59 before you even learned how to make
56:02 money. So, two decades, two decades of
56:05 how do I develop skills within me to
56:08 serve people, whether it be one-on-one,
56:11 1 to 10, 1 to 10,000. How do I develop
56:14 those skills to serve and give
56:16 generously? You have followed this
56:19 mindset perfectly, which is a mindset of
56:21 generosity and gratitude. And that's all
56:23 you did for essentially the last two
56:25 decades. How can I learn how to become a
56:29 better human? How can I give generously?
56:30 and how can I be appreciative and
56:32 grateful for the life that I have? And
56:35 you had no money for almost four years
56:38 as a monk, but I would bet that you
56:40 lived a beautifully rich life. Mhm. You
56:44 didn't need the money to feel rich. You
56:47 felt provided for. You had nature. You
56:50 had community. You were learning. You
56:52 got to be on purpose. You got to serve.
56:55 And what a beautiful gift to receive.
56:57 And you had no money in your bank
56:58 account. Mhm. But you were probably one
57:00 of the richest people that you knew. And
57:02 that is beautiful. Yeah. That is
57:03 abundant. Yeah. And that's something
57:07 that definitely doesn't change with the
57:10 financial change. If I have no money
57:12 right now, how can I get to a place
57:13 where you were at where I had the
57:16 richest, most abundant life? Cuz I was
57:18 working on me. I was a giver. I was
57:20 generous with my time and my energy and
57:22 my resources with every whatever I had.
57:24 And then how can I start to earn more
57:27 money, make money easy by feeling
57:30 effortless internally, expanding my
57:32 nervous system so that it can receive
57:36 more and feel safe. That is a rich
57:38 abundant life. And that's what we're all
57:40 really looking for. And me and you both
57:42 know people who have hundreds of million
57:44 dollars that they've exited companies
57:47 and they're not happy. It doesn't mean
57:49 having more money equals happiness. You
57:51 still have to learn how to heal you and
57:52 have a healthy relationship with
57:54 yourself and money even when you have
57:57 it. When you're looking for a quick fix
58:01 and a quick win, the problem is the
58:03 speed at which you win is the speed at
58:05 which you lose. Yes. Right. So if you
58:07 think I'll put money into this now, I'll
58:09 make something in a week. Chances are,
58:10 like you said, you lose it immediately.
58:13 You lose in a day. You lose it in a day.
58:16 And the reason that happens is because
58:18 you actually don't know why you're
58:19 putting your money there. So it goes
58:21 back to your first point of awareness.
58:23 It goes back to something you call the
58:26 mapping habit, the plan. Because what's
58:28 going on is you're saying, I want this
58:29 to happen now. I want this to happen
58:30 immediately. I want this to happen
58:33 quickly. So I know zero about this
58:36 crypto. I know zero about this property.
58:39 I've had friends literally gamble away
58:41 their life savings because they heard
58:42 all their friends were making money
58:44 through crypto. I always when people say
58:45 to me, "I've got this much money. What
58:47 should I invest in?" I'm like, "What do
58:48 you know about? Invest in that. What do
58:50 you actually know about?" Like, "What do
58:52 you actually have experience, knowledge,
58:54 wisdom in because guess what? Because of
58:56 that, you'll make money on it because
58:58 you actually understand it." Again, it
59:00 goes back to the point of respect. If we
59:02 don't respect our audience, it doesn't
59:03 grow. If you don't respect your
59:04 community, it doesn't grow. If you don't
59:07 respect your clients, it doesn't grow.
59:09 By us saying, "I want to make money, but
59:11 I know nothing about this industry," it
59:13 means I'm disrespecting the industry.
59:15 And sure, there may be one person who
59:16 had some lucky story that they tell you
59:18 about. But the truth is, most of us are
59:20 not going to get there. So, if you have
59:21 a little bit of money and you're like,
59:23 "Jay, I've only got $100 to invest.
59:25 Lewis, I've only got $1,000 to invest."
59:26 And you ask me where to put it, put it
59:29 in what you know. Put it in yourself if
59:31 that's all you know is yourself and your
59:33 skills. And I think so many of us are
59:35 looking for that ticket, but actually
59:37 that investment in yourself will pay so
59:39 many dividends. This is this is I'm glad
59:41 you said this because a week ago someone
59:43 literally asked me if I have $1,000
59:44 right now to invest, where should I
59:46 invest it? And everyone says, "Put it in
59:48 crypto, put it in real estate funds, put
59:50 it in all these things." Don't listen to
59:53 any of that. When I had no money, there
59:55 was two things that I needed to create
59:57 more of a currency within me. And that
60:00 was courage and confidence. I lacked the courage to develop certain skills. When
60:02 courage to develop certain skills. When I had courage to go all in on learning
60:05 I had courage to go all in on learning public speaking or learning how to
60:06 public speaking or learning how to write, I didn't know those skills. I
60:09 write, I didn't know those skills. I actually lacked those skills and I was
60:11 actually lacked those skills and I was afraid to be a failure at those things
60:13 afraid to be a failure at those things by trying them. But by having the
60:15 by trying them. But by having the courage to invest my time and energy in
60:17 courage to invest my time and energy in a public speaking class, in a writing
60:19 a public speaking class, in a writing coach, I didn't have the skills, but I
60:22 coach, I didn't have the skills, but I developed the courage. That courage
60:24 developed the courage. That courage created the actions to create
60:25 created the actions to create confidence. That confidence created a
60:28 confidence. That confidence created a currency within me of belief. That
60:31 currency within me of belief. That belief dictated my behaviors to start
60:34 belief dictated my behaviors to start charging more, to go out there and ask
60:36 charging more, to go out there and ask for more, to put myself out there in
60:37 for more, to put myself out there in bigger ways. And so, if you have $1,000
60:40 bigger ways. And so, if you have $1,000 or $5,000 right now and you want to
60:42 or $5,000 right now and you want to figure out where to invest it, invest it
60:44 figure out where to invest it, invest it in courage to learn new skills that will
60:46 in courage to learn new skills that will give you confidence. That will be an
60:48 give you confidence. That will be an incredible currency that you'll have
60:50 incredible currency that you'll have forever. I mean, Lewis, I'm so excited
60:52 forever. I mean, Lewis, I'm so excited for people to read this book. It's
60:54 for people to read this book. It's honestly I love this conversation
60:56 honestly I love this conversation because we're both sitting here as
60:58 because we're both sitting here as people who like you said not not
61:00 people who like you said not not finished our money journey either. We're
61:02 finished our money journey either. We're we're you know I've got so many years
61:03 we're you know I've got so many years left to learn so much more. The reason
61:05 left to learn so much more. The reason why I empathize with it is I never ever
61:08 why I empathize with it is I never ever thought I'd be financially abundant
61:11 thought I'd be financially abundant mentally or physically. And I know you
61:13 mentally or physically. And I know you feel the same way. I never figure out
61:16 feel the same way. I never figure out how to make money. Same. I really
61:17 how to make money. Same. I really empathize with everyone who's listening
61:19 empathize with everyone who's listening going I'm stuck. I'm trying to figure
61:20 going I'm stuck. I'm trying to figure this out. But I really do believe it
61:23 this out. But I really do believe it starts with this because this is the
61:25 starts with this because this is the work you'll have to do whether you make
61:28 work you'll have to do whether you make money tomorrow or in 10 years. And no
61:30 money tomorrow or in 10 years. And no matter how much you make, you're still
61:31 matter how much you make, you're still going to have to do this work. Yes. In
61:33 going to have to do this work. Yes. In this book because even if you find a way
61:36 this book because even if you find a way to make money and you become really
61:37 to make money and you become really really financially successful, you will
61:39 really financially successful, you will never feel free in that financial
61:41 never feel free in that financial success without doing this work. And
61:43 success without doing this work. And you'll still feel anxious and you'll
61:45 you'll still feel anxious and you'll still feel stressed and you'll still
61:47 still feel stressed and you'll still feel all of that. Right? I tell a story
61:49 feel all of that. Right? I tell a story in the book about I used to live in an
61:51 in the book about I used to live in an apartment building here in you know in
61:53 apartment building here in you know in LA. It was really sad and there's a lot
61:55 LA. It was really sad and there's a lot of wealthy people in this building that
61:56 of wealthy people in this building that I lived in. A lot of celebrities and
61:58 I lived in. A lot of celebrities and billionaires. I was the poorest person
62:00 billionaires. I was the poorest person there which is another another lesson
62:02 there which is another another lesson which is to put yourself in rooms where
62:04 which is to put yourself in rooms where you can mastermind with people and be
62:06 you can mastermind with people and be around proximity of of people who have
62:08 around proximity of of people who have more so you can learn from them. But I
62:10 more so you can learn from them. But I uh was on a trip and I came back from a
62:12 uh was on a trip and I came back from a trip driving back into the the valet of
62:14 trip driving back into the the valet of my building and there was a tent in the
62:17 my building and there was a tent in the valet like in the driveway and I kind of
62:20 valet like in the driveway and I kind of jokingly said to the valet attendant as
62:22 jokingly said to the valet attendant as I pulled into the building I said
62:24 I pulled into the building I said someone didn't jump did they kind of
62:26 someone didn't jump did they kind of like joking and the guy looked at me
62:28 like joking and the guy looked at me with like a serious face like yeah it
62:29 with like a serious face like yeah it just happened like 30 minutes ago and I
62:31 just happened like 30 minutes ago and I was I was like this can't be real. I was
62:34 was I was like this can't be real. I was like what? There's billionaires in here.
62:36 like what? There's billionaires in here. There's millionaires in here. There's
62:37 There's millionaires in here. There's celebrities in here. I was like, why
62:39 celebrities in here. I was like, why would anyone in this building take their
62:42 would anyone in this building take their own life? And it was kind of like just
62:44 own life? And it was kind of like just this shock to me because I learned later
62:47 this shock to me because I learned later who this person was. Someone did jump
62:50 who this person was. Someone did jump off the building right before I came
62:51 off the building right before I came back. And he was worth hundreds of
62:54 back. And he was worth hundreds of millions of dollars net worth if you
62:55 millions of dollars net worth if you just Googled his name. And I was just
62:57 just Googled his name. And I was just thinking, why would someone worth so
62:59 thinking, why would someone worth so much money take their life? And I don't
63:02 much money take their life? And I don't want to assume what really happened, but
63:05 want to assume what really happened, but it doesn't mean having all the money in
63:07 it doesn't mean having all the money in the world is going to solve all your
63:09 the world is going to solve all your problems, and you're going to feel like
63:10 problems, and you're going to feel like you can love and accept yourself, that
63:12 you can love and accept yourself, that you have self-worth. So, like you said,
63:14 you have self-worth. So, like you said, you may learn how to make a lot of
63:15 you may learn how to make a lot of money, but if you haven't learned how to
63:17 money, but if you haven't learned how to heal your relationship with you, then
63:19 heal your relationship with you, then all the money in the world can't save
63:21 all the money in the world can't save your life and can't make you feel rich,
63:24 your life and can't make you feel rich, can't make you feel abundant, can't make
63:25 can't make you feel abundant, can't make you have beautiful relationships with
63:27 you have beautiful relationships with friends, family, colleagues. And that's
63:30 friends, family, colleagues. And that's real. The real wealth comes in life when
63:32 real. The real wealth comes in life when you have deep meaningful relationships.
63:34 you have deep meaningful relationships. And something I want to acknowledge that
63:36 And something I want to acknowledge that you do really well is you follow this
63:39 you do really well is you follow this first habit, the mindset habit so well,
63:43 first habit, the mindset habit so well, which is how can I be generous with my
63:46 which is how can I be generous with my time, my energy, my love for friends,
63:48 time, my energy, my love for friends, family, colleagues, your community. This
63:51 family, colleagues, your community. This community feels it. Everyone listening
63:53 community feels it. Everyone listening and watching right now feel your
63:55 and watching right now feel your generosity, your giving heart, and your
63:58 generosity, your giving heart, and your gratitude for them. Whether it be
64:00 gratitude for them. Whether it be individually or collectively, they feel
64:02 individually or collectively, they feel it. And most people, they want to make
64:05 it. And most people, they want to make more money, but they don't have that
64:08 more money, but they don't have that generosity, that grateful spirit, and
64:12 generosity, that grateful spirit, and they want the quick fix. They want to
64:14 they want the quick fix. They want to make easy money quick, not make money
64:18 make easy money quick, not make money easy. And the billionaires that I know
64:21 easy. And the billionaires that I know you know, and the millionaires that that
64:23 you know, and the millionaires that that we know, we've interviewed, and I'll ask
64:26 we know, we've interviewed, and I'll ask them this question. What do you think
64:27 them this question. What do you think the key to creating more financial
64:30 the key to creating more financial abundance every year after year is for
64:32 abundance every year after year is for you? Every billionaire or mega
64:34 you? Every billionaire or mega millionaire will say giving more. I make
64:37 millionaire will say giving more. I make more when I give more that year. Whether
64:40 more when I give more that year. Whether it be giving more to charities, whether
64:42 it be giving more to charities, whether it be giving to people in my life,
64:43 it be giving to people in my life, whether it be giving back to my
64:45 whether it be giving back to my community, giving back to my employees,
64:46 community, giving back to my employees, my business, finding ways to give more
64:49 my business, finding ways to give more and almost give where it feels a little
64:51 and almost give where it feels a little uncomfortable. Like that was that was a
64:54 uncomfortable. Like that was that was a big check I just wrote. Oh man, I care
64:56 big check I just wrote. Oh man, I care about this cause, this charity. Uh, I
64:59 about this cause, this charity. Uh, I feel safe giving this amount, but what
65:02 feel safe giving this amount, but what really would make it uncomfortable? Or I
65:05 really would make it uncomfortable? Or I go to church every week and I typically
65:07 go to church every week and I typically give this, but what would make me feel a
65:09 give this, but what would make me feel a little uncomfortable? Most of these
65:10 little uncomfortable? Most of these people say the more they give when it's
65:13 people say the more they give when it's the most
65:14 the most uncomfortable, somehow they just keep
65:16 uncomfortable, somehow they just keep earning more. And I'm not saying you
65:18 earning more. And I'm not saying you should give all your money away and
65:19 should give all your money away and you're going to earn more back. But
65:22 you're going to earn more back. But having that mindset of generosity, and
65:23 having that mindset of generosity, and you do this very well where you give to
65:25 you do this very well where you give to your community, whenever there's some
65:27 your community, whenever there's some type of breakdown in the world, you
65:29 type of breakdown in the world, you you're one of the first people to say,
65:30 you're one of the first people to say, "How can we give? How can we rally the
65:33 "How can we give? How can we rally the troops?" You give first. You rally the
65:35 troops?" You give first. You rally the troops. Say, "Let's give back." The
65:37 troops. Say, "Let's give back." The fires happened. Stuff happened in India
65:40 fires happened. Stuff happened in India a couple years ago. Stuff's always
65:41 a couple years ago. Stuff's always happening. And you say, "We're going to
65:43 happening. And you say, "We're going to give." I don't know if that seems
65:45 give." I don't know if that seems something conscious you think about like
65:47 something conscious you think about like oh by giving more every year it helps me
65:50 oh by giving more every year it helps me make more but also I feel richer and
65:53 make more but also I feel richer and when you do that with everyone in your
65:55 when you do that with everyone in your life whether you're the hostess and you
65:57 life whether you're the hostess and you give curiosity love passion fun
66:01 give curiosity love passion fun playfulness you're giving something in
66:03 playfulness you're giving something in that moment if you can write a check for
66:06 that moment if you can write a check for something that is a cause and you give
66:09 something that is a cause and you give it's because you can and you do it
66:11 it's because you can and you do it generously it's just going to make you
66:13 generously it's just going to make you richer inside and you're creating an
66:15 richer inside and you're creating an energy of abundance to attract more. I
66:18 energy of abundance to attract more. I think for me it was watching my parents.
66:20 think for me it was watching my parents. So for all the other things I said about
66:22 So for all the other things I said about just enough and everything, my parents
66:24 just enough and everything, my parents always gave in charity. Our home was
66:27 always gave in charity. Our home was always a home where everyone was
66:29 always a home where everyone was welcome. My mom would happily cook
66:31 welcome. My mom would happily cook dinner for everyone even though, you
66:33 dinner for everyone even though, you know, we didn't have everything. Yeah.
66:35 know, we didn't have everything. Yeah. And so my parents had this generous
66:37 And so my parents had this generous heart at the same time. They probably
66:39 heart at the same time. They probably felt rich in that generosity. For sure.
66:43 felt rich in that generosity. For sure. And they did it when we didn't have a
66:44 And they did it when we didn't have a lot. Like my parents now when I realize
66:46 lot. Like my parents now when I realize how much my parents made and how much
66:48 how much my parents made and how much they gave in charity, the proportions
66:49 they gave in charity, the proportions were pretty off. And I think for me, I
66:53 were pretty off. And I think for me, I just felt so fortunate and I feel so
66:55 just felt so fortunate and I feel so lucky and I feel so grateful that I have
66:58 lucky and I feel so grateful that I have been able to find abundance in my life
67:00 been able to find abundance in my life that I feel like the only natural
67:03 that I feel like the only natural reaction to that has to be to give.
67:05 reaction to that has to be to give. Yeah. When I came back to LA with the
67:07 Yeah. When I came back to LA with the fires and everything, I was just
67:09 fires and everything, I was just grateful to come back to our home. Yeah.
67:11 grateful to come back to our home. Yeah. But not everyone I know came back to a
67:13 But not everyone I know came back to a home. And so I felt grateful that I had
67:16 home. And so I felt grateful that I had a home. And so I was like, okay, what
67:18 a home. And so I was like, okay, what can we do? And so I think it comes from
67:20 can we do? And so I think it comes from a place of gratitude again. It comes
67:22 a place of gratitude again. It comes from a place of seeing my parents be so
67:24 from a place of seeing my parents be so generous even though they had nothing to
67:26 generous even though they had nothing to give actually. And it ultimately comes
67:29 give actually. And it ultimately comes to me because I just feel like there's
67:31 to me because I just feel like there's no better use for it in the long run
67:34 no better use for it in the long run than that. And I do believe it will come
67:36 than that. And I do believe it will come back in its own way. I don't give it
67:37 back in its own way. I don't give it because I want it back. I I give it
67:39 because I want it back. I I give it because I believe there's a need. But I
67:41 because I believe there's a need. But I do deeply believe that it will come back
67:42 do deeply believe that it will come back in its own way and it always has. The
67:44 in its own way and it always has. The book's called Make Money Easy: Create
67:47 book's called Make Money Easy: Create Financial Freedom and Live a Richer
67:49 Financial Freedom and Live a Richer Life. Lewis House. Lewis, I'm so
67:51 Life. Lewis House. Lewis, I'm so grateful genuinely for this
67:52 grateful genuinely for this conversation. It's left me feeling so
67:54 conversation. It's left me feeling so rich. I've always felt rich in our
67:55 rich. I've always felt rich in our friendship and I'm really glad that you
67:57 friendship and I'm really glad that you wrote about it in this way because I
67:59 wrote about it in this way because I think there's lots of great money
68:00 think there's lots of great money experts out there who are giving really
68:02 experts out there who are giving really good sound financial advice. Yeah,
68:05 good sound financial advice. Yeah, that's not that's not what this is. And
68:07 that's not that's not what this is. And I think we need all of it, but I think
68:09 I think we need all of it, but I think this is a deep part because I know for
68:11 this is a deep part because I know for me personally, this has been really deep
68:13 me personally, this has been really deep work and you put it into a book. And so
68:16 work and you put it into a book. And so I'm so grateful that people get to
68:17 I'm so grateful that people get to access. Thank you for doing this.
68:19 access. Thank you for doing this. Everyone who's been listening or
68:21 Everyone who's been listening or watching, read the book, learn the
68:23 watching, read the book, learn the habits, tag me and Lewis on Instagram,
68:25 habits, tag me and Lewis on Instagram, on Tik Tok. Let me know what's
68:26 on Tik Tok. Let me know what's resonating with you, what's connected
68:28 resonating with you, what's connected with you. I want to hear your stories. I
68:30 with you. I want to hear your stories. I want to hear what skill you invested in.
68:32 want to hear what skill you invested in. I want you to turn up at your job. Even
68:33 I want you to turn up at your job. Even if you hate it, I want you to turn up to
68:35 if you hate it, I want you to turn up to it with all the love that you possibly
68:38 it with all the love that you possibly have. See whose mind you blow, who gets
68:40 have. See whose mind you blow, who gets impressed by what you're doing.
68:42 impressed by what you're doing. Someone's going to be able to shift your
68:44 Someone's going to be able to shift your life at some point. And it's going to
68:46 life at some point. And it's going to start with you. But just don't
68:48 start with you. But just don't underestimate the value of these things
68:50 underestimate the value of these things that sound simple and they sound like
68:53 that sound simple and they sound like I've got to figure out something more
68:54 I've got to figure out something more complex. No, no, no. This is where it
68:56 complex. No, no, no. This is where it starts. And this will mean that at the
68:58 starts. And this will mean that at the end of it, you'll be happy. So, uh,
69:00 end of it, you'll be happy. So, uh, thank you to Lewis. Thank you to each
69:01 thank you to Lewis. Thank you to each and every one of you. And yeah, make
69:03 and every one of you. And yeah, make money easy. Appreciate it, bro. Make
69:04 money easy. Appreciate it, bro. Make money easy. I love you, bro. If you love
69:06 money easy. I love you, bro. If you love this episode, you'll love my
69:07 this episode, you'll love my conversation with Dr. Joe Dispensza on
69:10 conversation with Dr. Joe Dispensza on why stress and overthinking negatively
69:12 why stress and overthinking negatively impacts your brain and heart and how to
69:15 impacts your brain and heart and how to change your habits that are on
69:17 change your habits that are on autopilot. Listen to it right now. How
69:20 autopilot. Listen to it right now. How many times do we have to forget until we
69:23 many times do we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering?
69:25 stop forgetting and start remembering? That's the moment of change. No one
69:26 That's the moment of change. No one cares how many times you fell off the
69:28 cares how many times you fell off the bicycle. If you ride the bicycle now you
69:30 bicycle. If you ride the bicycle now you ride the
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