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Energy is the fundamental backbone and enabler of smart cities, powering all technological advancements and urban functions, and its reliable, efficient, and sustainable provision is crucial for addressing urban challenges and achieving future city development goals.
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So welcome all panelists. Thank you so
much for joining this session today. So
um to open the stage uh I would like to
ask to all panelists here um to help
also the audience to better understand
to about today's topic. So could each
panelist briefly explain why energy is
considered as the backbone of smart
Thank you very much Erica. Uh I thought
you upgrade me to become doctor today. [laughter]
[laughter]
>> Okay. Thank you very much uh everyone
here. Uh very good morning. Uh when we
talk about smart city uh and energy
especially we know that smart city is
about how people are connect and uh I
mean uh move. So these are the uh
principles that uh always embedded in
the in the smart city. So if you look at
the Malaysia current urbanization rate
from year 2000 until 2025 I think it
already arrived from uh 60% to almost I
would say almost 80% currently in year
2025. So this rapid urbanization have
bring a lot of changes to our city
landscape in terms of the how we live
the houses the demand for commercial the
demand for industry and
because of this the lifestyle of the
people also changed. So in the in in the
earlier part I think back in 20 years
ago I think not even 20 years ago 10
years ago only probably we have only one
device only one handphone but today you
just imagine our smartwatch also powered
by the energy in fact probably ring also
because to monitor the health so in fact
the best part is cigarette also now
become ecigarette so everything is
powered by the uh by the uh electricity
and power I would say. So if you look
again at the definition of the smart
city, definition of the smart city
especially in Malaysia under the I think
under the Malaysian smart city framework
is defined as cities that use technology
and ICT advancement to solve urban
challenges. So we have a lot of urban
challenges in Malaysia. Just name it
traffic mo traffic in terms of the
traffic congestion in terms of the flood
in terms of the uh waste management and
etc. So, so these are become the so
energy become the vital part of of every
sector or every vertical that we look in
the city operation. So, so when when the
energy system fail the entire smart
ecosystem fail I would say. So this is
why we say energy for now energy is to
me is similar to telecommunication and
also to the water. It's not just a
utility but it become a nervous system
of the smart city. So this is why uh
energy become a very vital for the smart city.
city.
>> Thank you so much. Next miss. Yes. Thank
you very much. And uh we don't have so
many people but hopefully it's going to
be an encouraging discussion. So feel
free to ask questions. Um so I think RA
you brought up a a very very good point.
Energy is the indisputable
um enabler I think of everything that we
do. Right. So activities as what Farabi
has mentioned but also energy is really
what enable us to unlock productivity.
So why are we in cities we are here
because we live play spend money here
but also at the same time we work here
right and that's where the economic
activities are being generated. So there
is no way that we can actually move away
from energy use. So in order for us to
unlock more and more productivity energy
is absolutely the backbone of that.
Okay, thank you. Next, Professor Norikin.
Okay. Uh thank you uh Ra. Uh thank you
very much for inviting me. So as a
representative uh from a research
institute I'm I think I'm the only one
here uh which is uh we are actually
focusing on the renewable energy and uh
uh I'm delighted to be here to share my
insight uh on the importance of energy
in shaping the smart and the sustainable
city. So uh I agree with the two panels
here. Uh so uh energy is the formation
what you can say the power for all smart
city function. So from digital
connectivity uh in electric uh mobility
to smart building and also the
intelligent data system. So um without
the reliable um efficient and
sustainable system no smart
infrastructure can operate effectively.
So uh from the stand uh from the
research and development stand of points
uh continuous innovation for me because
I'm a research institution. So
continuous innovation is very essential
and developing advanced uh energy
technologies uh such as a smart grids,
energy storage, uh distributed renewable
energy system and datadriven energy
management and R&D enables actually
cities to transition from the
traditional power models to intelligent
sustainable energy ecosystem that can
support the efficiency, resilient and sustainability.
sustainability.
So for example uh the ongoing research u
into solar photovoltics green hydrogen
and AI I think we have the AI expert
here uh and IoT uh for energy management
actually is creating the pathway to
cities to achieve the net zero uh
emission while maintaining the
reliability and affordability.
uh so in this sense uh energy R&D uh is
not only the technical backbone but also
the strategic driver of the smart city
transformation so that is my stand on
the what is the energy
>> okay thank you prof next Dr. All
right. Uh thank you very much uh Ra. Uh
it's such an honor to be here to be
invited uh as one of the speaker with
all the STM speakers. Um
and very good morning. Um well
um when we're talking about the energy
uh we have to think about u before data
or electric vehicle EV I mean um can
move. So we need to have a energy in
place uh especially on the on the smart
energy. So a city cannot be smart um uh
if the energy itself is not really that
simple as that right. So we all know um
a smart city relies on as mentioned
earlier about real-time data for example
uh sensors uh what else automations
um but none of the system um um I mean
could function without reliable and
sustainable energy so this is a fact so
I'm taking example of data centers uh
data center are highly energy uh
intensive uh consuming
uh between 1 to 5 megawatt for small
scale facilities uh but up to 300
megawatt I mean for hypers scale uh
centers um so more importantly um as a
cities uh we we we aim to low carbon uh
resilient clean energy whether um from
solar hydrogen what else um um other
renewables so on and so forth become
from the uh foundations uh for the
climate I mean the climate actions. So
uh when we invest in especially uh this
uh we call energy transition uh people
are talking about energy transitions um
we are not just building infrastructure.
So we are shaping actually we are
shaping um the very heartbeat uh how to
say this um of our future cities. So for
examples uh I'm taking example in in um
in Singapore
um a green building initiative uh green
building initiative such as um uh what
you call it a green marker certification
that's promote energy um uh efficient uh
constructions and also operations. So um
yet due to the massive um um power
demand from these data centers and all
that. So um the Singaporean government
um has imposed a 3 years u um moratorium
uh on a new facilities uh especially to
highlighting the u tensions uh between
uh sustainability and also these uh
digital growth. So this is something
that we have to think about. So uh
energy is a backbone uh for a smart city
especially. So and um I think um as a
cities um uh involve uh continue to
involve striking um uh the right balance
between uh sustainability, innovation
and um um profitability obviously. Well
Gamuda love to hear about profits.
[laughter] Um so this will be the key uh
to to ensuring that um the digital
backbone of smart city remain both
resilience and responsible. That's all
from me. Thank you.
>> Right. Yeah. Thanks for highlighting
that the smart city development needs
all the powers um to um yeah to
accelerate this innovation. You've also
mentioned before uh about uh some
innovations that we can do u in cities
to be smarter like uh smart grid or um
sensors and advanc sensors and so on and
also you touch a bit about the standards
or framework that needs to be in place
also like for example the green building
and others. So uh that's where we will
uh talk more uh deeper in this session.
So first maybe we talk about the policy
and planning or regulation framework
that will be needed to uh accelerate
this urban innovation. Maybe to Mr.
Farabi, first as the head of smart
infrastructure at Gammuda Technologies
and considering your uh background in
urban planning and uh smart city, what
are um uh the planning strategies or
regulatory innovations uh that could
most effectively raise the energy
In terms of the energy performance of
the city, I think for Malaysia, I think
Malaysia have adopted uh ISO 3712 2019
which is a smart city uh parameters. So
in this uh I have the privileges uh to
sit in the technical committee before uh
about establishing when Malaysia want to
identical adopt the standards. So if not
mistaken there are 10 indicators with
regards to energy from the 80 total of
80 indicator of the smart city. So this
is very high. So we can see that energy
uh parameter is very high uh mentioned
in the smart city uh indicators under
the ISO 37122. So among others if I
could remember is uh EV is I is one of
one of the thing I think as simple as
smart street lighting uh performance
system uh the how you refurbish your
street lighting from the traditional to
the to from the conventional to the
smart street lighting and among others
that I remember that is very hard for
the cities in Malaysia to implement is a
new kind of the energy not from the
renewable energy from the not only just
from solar. Solar I think is quite
common in most of the city today but
energy from the waste water energy from
the waste we are talking about WTE waste
to to energy so these are the things
that uh being in the ministry of housing
and local government before I understand
well in terms of how we cannot do uh we
had we don't have the privileges to do
WTE throughout of our city because a lot
of issue uh and these are the things
that probably need to the intervention
that need to do by done by the city but
today it's become clearer uh ministry of
housing and local government through
plan Mia has established the smart city
maturity journey so under this maturity
journey is already stated the 10
indicators stated in the four different
uh level of the smart city they start
with the early smart city early adopters
developing smart city uh leading smart
city and um visionary smart city so all
the element of the energy is already
embedded that in every stages it can be
started as as easy as the with the uh
replacement of your LED bulb. Uh so I
think for the city is is very clear. The
problem now is I believe is the
financial part. Uh for most of the city
to implement it but we will discuss this
in different topic for the financial
part. But apart from there another
intervention that I very like is I think
four years ago when datri mahadi was a
mayor of koala lumpo that time he introduced
introduced
a new development for the commercial and
residential must be 30% powered by
renewable energy. So during that time I
think architects and planner have a hard
time to design all the building and so
this is the intervention that we we want
to see. I'm not sure whether it is still
applicable or not but I believe this is
a very good start and I believe other
cities should follow through. So these
are the uh so the policy innovation is
not about creating a new law but is also
must be em uh embedding the energy
performance standard into the DNA of the
urban planning and I believe when I
still a student of urban planning I
think a very little uh topics touch on
the energy but I believe today um city
planning should go towards uh
performance base. So you need to
calculate how how much the the the zone
especially when you demarket the zoning.
You must demarket how many energy will
be used because we have a new concept
plus plus energy plus city which is city
that producing more energy than how they
consume and there is a new terminology
as a uh we are talking about the
circular energy as well circular
economy. So where we are the new the the
term is proumer they are the producer
and they are also the consumer. So I
think these are the things that the
intervention that need to be embedded in
the city and I believe if all cities in
Azan especially can adopt the ISO3712 I
think it will be more concerted effort
as a region.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for highlighting
that. Actually like uh two weeks ago uh
I I and also professor Dr. General we
went to visit uh Putraaya smart city
they also mentioned about those ISO list
a lot of indicators that they need to
take um towards the visionary cities
that you mentioned that is also yeah
that is one of the uh the list of
indicators or standards that they smart
uh the cities needs to uh to adopt to to
make us a smart uh city. So um and also
yeah you also mentioned about the energy
performance standard that uh needs to be
in place. Uh maybe uh this is um my next
question to Miss Hui. Uh what is the
most crucial element of governance to
enable urban innovation? Yeah. After uh
with the the one that I have been
mentioned before by Mr. Farabi uh not
only maybe in Malaysia because you also
have experience in other region in the
maybe in Assean or other uh outside
Asan. what is your intake on that? Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks very much. And I
think um you know we talk a lot about
things like urban innovation
etc. And ultimately when you're trying
to run something be it in a city an
agency or even a company you cannot run
away from the policy and the regulations
but it's also not the only thing that
dictates all of this. Right? So I think
one of the first things that we need to
be very clear in terms of governance is
a a clear and cascadable target right
because most of the time everybody say
oh we have to be smart we have to be
green we have to be this but why are we
doing it right so you really need to be
very clear in terms of is this a
national target right or in the city or
in the city's case is it a city target
that has to be met and for companies as
well now you have net zero targets right
it's like you have to do this but at the
same time making sure that you're
affordable and profitable right so you
cannot just sort of suk so I think
having that clear and cascadable target
is really key then the next thing that
come from there is actually a very clear
governance structure because we are all
from different places like again from
the academia from u ministry agencies
and we work with cities which are stuck
in the middle they have the national
government then you have the subnational
government right we spoke about KPKT and
also state governments if the governance
structure is not clear there is no accountability
accountability
because you go to agency agency cannot I
don't have this law you go to the city
so having that clear governance
structure to allow that target to
cascade down is really crucial so I
really like what uh Farabi mentioned
earlier about uh looking at energy now
as a new area of urban planning in the
past you didn't have to worry about it.
So for example some of the work that we
do with cities I take KL since we're in
KL. So we've developed a net zerocarbon
buildings road map for Koala Lumpo
because this is what they need to help
the industry understand in order for us
to get to the 2050 target what needs to
happen. So 2030 you need to make sure
that legally this needs to happen. These
are some of the policies you can put in.
what are the technologies that's out
there that they can afford because the
industry is the one that has to respond.
the city can make the law but katakhan
the industry goes oh you're killing me
man I don't want to do this is also not
going to happen so it's really making
sure that you have that perspective from
the external stakeholders to allow the
cities or the country to make the policy
decision in order for them to know how
are they contributing to that ultimate
target country's net zero target state's
net zero target company bring net zero
target so how do you actually cascade that
that
So it's also one of the first that KL
this time around for the road map has
external stakeholders like ST the
security uh the energy commission suran
jayanaga and also radar which is the
real estate uh association as part of
the governance structure in the road map
so that when the city or the government
makes a policy is not just stuck inside
they need to make sure they engage the
people that are going to support them
like companies and whatnot so that the
implementation is actually going to
happen. So to summarize clear cascadable
targets and also a clear governance
structure for accountability is crucial
for urban innovation.
>> Right. Yeah. Thanks for highlighting
that it needs multistakeholders and
multi level in multi-level subnational
national um um yeah stakeholders to um
together in one uh framework. So maybe
uh and also to uh to set uh detail and
specific targets uh for the cities uh
maybe next to professor Dr. Norasikin as
the academia perspective. Uh how uh
after hearing this policy and targets
and planning that uh that uh should be
in place uh how uh the cities can um can
reach these targets uh using emerging
technologies uh such as like renewable
energy storage technologies that can
help smart cities to achieve
sustainability goals. Okay.
>> Okay. Thank you uh for the question. I
think from um our uh experience at uh
Siri or at the institute um actually
renewable energy we can say that
renewable energy and the storage uh are
truly the backbone of the sustainable
smart city because like I have been said
by the previous panel uh my panel panel
panelist friend here that at least 30%
right to install the renewable energy
system for the smart cities. So uh for
research uh research institute we are
actually focusing for the innovation. So
the focus um uh what we are doing now uh
is more is more on the next generation
solar technologies because currently uh
the technology that you can see is uh is
based on the first generation of solar
which is on the silicon base but what we
think for the coming coming years maybe
10 years after this because the R&D is
still uh in the what we what we say in
the pipeline so we are going to have
like There's a more flexible uh solar
panel which is can be not only uh can uh
give the uh aesthetic value uh of the
building but also can be used indoor
application. So I I cannot say that this
is uh just the um
uh or to replace the current technology
but it's a complement whatever parts or
uh area that cannot be comply with the
uh or apply with the current technology
we will apply with this new technology.
So we call it next generation solar
which is more environmental friendly.
But currently uh the issue uh still uh
uh still um ongoing uh research by most
of the researchers in the world to uh to
settle the problems in term of the
durability, degradation and stability of
the technology. So um and and then uh uh
in Siri also we are advancing like a
hybrid system actually hybrid system
that can combine that solar energy for
example with the battery storage uh and
also the smart grid management. So um
this is uh I think the system uh which
is very essential for city to monitor,
predict and balance energy use in the
real time uh which is uh can reduce the
emission and improve the energy
efficiency. Um in essence uh renewable
energy and storage technology make
cities much more cleaner, smarter and
more resilient. Then uh we also uh I
want to share that we have uh one uh
case study uh at the Pinang State uh so
we call it Bertam smart city. So this is
a partnership uh 3P not 4 P we discussed
with the panel down there before it's a
4 P uh but this one is public uh private
partnership so but uh my friend here
they said we need 4 P public private
people partnership so the involvement I
mean the inclusivity of the partnership
should be cover all level so uh so for
the Pinang uh smart city or or the
Bhanas smart city we uh actually have
done uh one study uh using um one
simulation of prediction we we use uh
the IEES in uh international energy
solution. Um so that that is our
actually uh uh simulation or software
that we use and uh this is um uh the
city that uh we we actually something we
retrofitted retrofitted the the the
building. Yeah. So uh this calibration
is in between Siri UKM UKM Pakarund we
have our consultancy or the the private
um private part yeah consultancy and
also techn technology company is uh we
have the manufacturer here Jeno Solola
but now Jeno is already closed. So we
only have one uh now Lunji. We have
Lunji here in Malaysia and we we just uh
have the uh signing ceremony with Luni
because this is the only uh company left
uh for the solid silicon base. But the
other we have another company by United
States which is Fola right and Kulim. So
but the one the technology is different
they are they they they produce the u
thin film thin film um based uh solar
panel uh we call it cmium teleride.
Okay. So um the pilot building that we
uh choose for the study in this uh bam
sumat city is the moss actually abdullah
fahin mos kapalabatas hospital
industrial training institute
kapalabatas and a public works
department office. So that's the the
building that we that we use as a as our
case study and um we also uh implement
the digital twin technology. Okay. So
what is the advantage or the benefit
from the uh smart uh system in the
Bertam city is we actually uh have done
the simulation and also uh this the we
suggest that Bertam smart city can
reduce the energy consumption and CO2
emission by 69.7%.
Okay. So, uh we have installed about 41
kilo kilowatt pig uh across the key
building uh key building that I've
mentioned before and uh the power is
about 57
uh,400 kilowatt hour per year and it's
reduce about 835 tons CO2 annually. So
this is the the um based on the
environmental part of that and uh we
also have the uh we also optimize the
energy use via the smart technology.
Like I said we are using the IoT and
digital twin and also for the resilient
and reli reliability.
We we call it it is a micro grid
actually micro grid uh for the robust
energy system um which can reduce
dependency on the uh main grid. Okay.
And uh for the economic and social
benefit uh actually of course it can
reduce the utility bills uh for the
resident um and also to optimize the
energy consumption and of course there
is a job creation actually uh for I mean
for the system that we have installed
and also um our quality of life improve
better indoor comfort uh reliable
services and environmental benefit. So
um this project actually is in line with
the or support the Pinang 2030 vision.
Okay, because this is uh initiated by
the state government. Okay, so it will
like balance between the economic growth
and the environmental protection and uh
regarding maybe to scale scaling up I
think for the Assan region. So um we can
actually replicate this uh model smart
city across the ASEAN um
um
uh based on the we can start with like a
with local baseline and feasibility
study for other cities and also we can
design a modular pilot or living lab
approach. So, so uh this uh pilot scale
pilot uh scale can be upgraded to the
the whole scale of the cities for the
other uh uh Asan region uh cities. Okay,
thank you.
>> Yeah, thanks bro for highlighting the
different types of technologies uh that
um was implemented in the case study in
the Pinang smart city uh including the
next generation of solar. I think that
is very interesting to to see the trends
and then um the micro grid and IoT maybe
um my next question is related to uh the
emerging technologies also to Dr. Muzil
what kind of other smart energy
solutions uh in Asan's urban
developments um uh and which
technologies or business models to scale
first over the next five years and what
gaps must cities or investors close now
>> right thank you very much again um was
quite a long questions let me address
one by one. First is uh about I think um
market outlook um based on industry um
foresight lens uh we see that uh uh
storage enable smart energy solution
will move from R&D pilots uh to
procurement especially in Assean cities.
So um because as we know that um well we
are talking about solar most of the
discussions um it's already the cheapest
new buck u um how to say this uh the new
buck power so um solar with storage
especially may become cheaper than gas
by 2026 if not second. Yeah. And um coal
by uh 2028. Yeah. Um so well this I uh
uh I quote from uh the recent Bloomberg
I mean report that I just read uh last
night and um Malaysia national road map
uh such as NER also now call out for uh
batteries as a flagship uh grid enabler.
And in fact um um Malaysia has joined um
um the pledge at uh COP 29 in Baku to um
gawatt uh of energy storage and add or refurbish
refurbish
um 25 millions kilometers of a grid
infrastructure by 2050. So that's the
commitment uh and um about the market
outlook right. So uh let's move to the
other question that you asked just now
related to um the technology that will
which one will scale first and also the
business model. Um uh we see that uh
lithium uh lithium ion um um bats
especially is one of these high
potentials uh due to the fact that u
it's um the cheapest at the moment by
per kilowatt and um it's fast to deploy
um ideal for frequency or uh ancillary
services and all that. So then um uh we
see that behind the meters and
commercial energy storage. So uh if you
look into um the segment of a commercial
buildings uh shopping malls um hospitals
what else? Uh data centers. So all this
will adopt the storage for demand charge
management and also part of um uh we
call it smart I mean uh sorry um uh
smart micro grids. Yeah. And um among
the uh business model that um
[clears throat] uh could also win is um
we call it urban best public private
blended financing where actually um
cities or utilities uh grant land and uh
grid uh how to say this uh grid access
with uh private SPV for example uh to
build and uh operate this best. Um so
this is something that um um uh
attractive uh business model that
currently people are talking and another
business model that I think will lead as
well is um uh solar plus u storage or uh
energy as a service with a long-term um
offtake uh 10 to 15 years uh with no
capex uh for municipal loads such as um
um transit reports or um what else um
water plant for example. So this is
where actually um a third party
ownerships uh could reduce upfront
capital need for cities uh and also the
building owners. Uh so in short um
however um u there is a gap um that we
need to work together uh especially on
um um market design and uh also
regulations. Uh many ASEAN markets at
the moment are still uh lack um a clear
compensation for um frequency uh
response, fast respond or uh VPP for
example participation as well. uh if
regulators, cities and um um uh
investors uh move quickly uh to fit this
market design uh financing uh and also
permitting uh we we'll see uh storage uh
this storage enable system uh urban
system scale will will go fast and and
fairly across this region.
>> That's for for now. Thank you. Yeah,
thanks for highlighting the um the
market outlooks of uh several energy
smart energy technologies like lithium
that is very important lithium ion and
then smart micro grid. Um maybe to Mr.
Farabi uh after you hear the all these
uh emerging technologies um how is
Gammuda implementing this uh energy
management systems like so storage that
have been mentioned before and other
energy technology to create smarter
cities or towns. >> [clears throat]
>> [clears throat]
>> Basically uh I think energy is one of
the industry that Gamuda is already
venture and you can know further if you
I think I would uh encourage the vis the
audience today to visit the our booth at
the booth as well so you can understand
further but as far as Gamuda technology
is concerned we are creating a tools
that could help the city manager to
manage energy very well. So among the
tools that we are developing today is we
call as a city operating system uh and
also the digital twin. So these are I
would say embedded together. So city
operating system is a tools that can
measure the uh the performance of the
city not only in terms of the energy but
other performance as well. So it's
become a brain to the city. So these are
the things that we are developing. I
think uh I think for audience knowledge
we are developing a an island in Pinang
called Pinang Silicon Island is a 2,300
acres of reclamation lands. So it's just
started the reclamation about uh 10%. So
if you fly from uh KL to Pinang before
you arrive to the to the airport you can
see the reclamation is so this is a 2300
is we we want to claim as a smart and uh
sustainable city in fact despite the
island is yet to being developed we
already get the diamond five of the uh
low carbon city from the NTC. So I think
it is a quite in terms of the master
planning concept everything is is there.
So what we are developing especially
what prof mentioned about digital twin.
So digital twin why digital twin because
digital twin is a powerful in powerful
tools is a is a replication of any uh
buildings uh power grids or in fact the
entire city you can visualize in the
digital form from the physical form to
the uh digital form. So from this it
need to be embedded with the real-time
sensors and data so we can get uh data
usage in terms of the data uh emission
uh data consumption and etc at a real
time basis. So these are the things that
we hope uh that the city administrator
will embrace and also use this because
the most important thing here is about
data I would say. So we can have a lot
of you can install a lot of uh devices
IoT sensor but the most important thing
is the data need to be transformed into
informations and information to be
transformed into insight for the city
managers to make a decision. So for me
if you look uh I always imagine I'm
always as a mayor I always have ambition
to become a mayor but it definitely
couldn't materialize forever. But however,
however,
if I'm a mayor, if I know I have let's
say 20 20 zone in my jurisdictions,
which zone actually consume energy and
that is not my call because usually city
managers or the mayor city local council
local government doesn't manage the
energy uh in that directly but however
they can do through their approach of
nature-based solution approach. For
example, it is from the information the
inside from digital twin city operation
center or command center. We call as a
command center. This city manager can
make a call can make a decision. Okay,
landscape architect my landscape
architect please study this zone zone 22
consume a lot of energy. What are the
mitigation that we can do? We need to
plant more trees but what kind of trees?
So these are the the things. So in terms
of the urban planning itself you can
embed more water bodies to the area to
balance I think to balance in term of
the physical planning if that and so
because this we know that any area that
consume a lot of energy will create a
lot of uh after effect like urban heat
island and etc. So I think these are the
things that we want to prevent. So I
believe the tools that we are de
developing now through our city operate
city operating system and also the
digital twin will help the mayors and
decision maker to make a decision a
better decision. So these are the things
uh that we are doing for now uh
especially for and also I think in our
uh energy KPI into the master planning
at the earlier parts and also ESG link
township uh planning. So we try to align
all the ESG, SDG uh from the 17 goals
especially in in our uh master planning.
>> Right. Thanks for highlighting. Not only
we need uh after uh not only we need to
install on the ground but also we need
to track and monitor uh the
implementation of it and the impact uh
after we install those uh technologies.
Maybe to next to Miss Hui. Uh in
addition to the all the technologies
that mentioned before like uh storage
and other tools, are there any cities
that have successfully shown other
energy innovations or technologies as
part of urban development?
>> Yeah, that's a great question and I
really love like all this really cool
emerging technologies that Prof. I'm
learning so much and I think some of our
cities will probably be able to benefit
from um those new research. I'm going to
go one step back from the super chung
digital twin energy modeling and all
that to one of the key challenges I
think not just um you know in places
like KL you don't feel it but once you
venture out of the cities or even in our
poorer cities is actually electrification
electrification
so in ASEAN we still have quite a lot of
cities that actually have places that
are not electrified so one of the things
that we did with one of our um our
colleague cities in Africa in
Johannesburg. So it's a big city uh you
know also a metropolitan but they also
have a lot of informal settlements that
do not have electricity. So we talk
about leaving no one behind right what's
the point of having a city when people
actually cannot be part of that um
activity in in in basically ripping the
wealth or at least having a decent
quality of life. So what we did in
Joberg with the informal settlements is
that we actually had solar micro grid.
So it doesn't mean that we must get
everything wired up to the grid even for
example in rural uh areas in like
Sarowak and Sabah right so because of
the fact that we are moving to
renewables is a fantastic time for us to
look at decentralized um generation
right so they actually do not rely on
the grid they can get clean energy and
because they are not a data center
guzzling multi- uh megawws right um it's
actually very much sufficient for them
to use and if you couple it with uh um
storage that's getting more and more
affordable. That's a fantastic way to
lift a lot of people out of poverty as
well as allowing them to also partake in
economic activity. So that's also
looking at the inclusive climate action
>> Yeah, thank you so much for yeah
highlighting that part. Also inclusivity
is very important. So not only we uh we
go to the uh emerging and very
innovative technologies but we still
need to think about the people. Um next
um maybe after we hear about these
technologies uh and innovations how to
finance it? Yeah. How to fund this uh
technologies? Maybe to profasikin
first uh you mentioned a lot about about
this emerging solar and storage. How is
the cost uh of these um technologies
over the next few years? Uh what cities
can um make it um least cost
optimization or um effective and
efficient um implementation of solar in
the lowest capex and opex.
>> Okay. Um thank you. Um I think based on
um our project uh which is uh the case
study of Bhutan smart city uh as our empirical
empirical anchor
anchor
um um the projected uh decline uh we
found that uh based on the study about
20 to 30% overall for the integrated
system which is PV plus storage plus the
digital control. So this is the
forecast. Um
why I say that is uh why is reduced
because of the uh for future there is a
manufacturing scale up and also um the
cheaper balance of system uh component
and uh we will have like more efficient
power electronic maybe we can have like
from our semicon industry and also
software enable the operation and
maintenance savings And uh about the PV
module uh cost uh since that like I said
we have become more advanced. Okay. And
then uh we have a more efficient uh
solar panel because uh previously uh
when we start with the first panel uh
the power produced is only about 200 300
500 watt per panel. But now with the new
s new uh advance of technology
uh we call it the back contact
technology we can have about 670
watt per panel. So you just imagine uh
last time uh when the rooftop we have to
cover about the whole rooftop with the
panel but now we we only can have like
four panel uh maybe for the 10 kilowatt
you can have about 10 panel. It's not
like last time you have to measure
whether your roof uh area space is
enough or not for you to install the
panel. But now because of the uh power
produced uh uh per panel is u uh much
more higher because it's more efficient
with the current technology. So you can
I mean uh you can have uh uh you can uh
have no limitation. I mean the area
become uh smaller than before and the
price also uh reasonable I think
reasonable currently and um and also um
we we uh predicted that the the cost
reduction will be maybe 25%. Okay. So
and also and also for the uh technology
like I mentioned about the flexible one.
So this one also will be much more
cheaper for future. So that is the
forecast. Okay. And about the battery
and storage cost um currently we are or
even EV we are using the lithium base
right. So but and then next year the
sodium become become much more cheaper.
So sodium uh yeah this is solid state.
So because we have like we know that the
solar and other resources of renewable
have the uh intermittent issue. So the
storage become much more I mean
important and then um the battery
technology um also um uh uh increase. I
mean the the the efficiency increase and
then the the like I said compare lithium
and sodium because the sodium material
can have a very I mean um the volume of
the material is elsewhere which is is it
will uh make the battery much more
cheaper and um and also control and
smart management. So um we this is like
a marginal upfront cost but large
operational saving for the control and
smart system. Um in uh in our simulation
um uh smart optimization contributes sub
uh substantially to the overall uh
levelized cost of uh energy reduction
actually and also um like I said before
Bertam based on the BAM uh city we uh
and the modeling uh we showed the
potential about 60 69%.7
uh 69.7%
energy and carbon reduction. So when we
combine uh the intervention and the
rooftop PV. Okay. Um
and also um the
the
what there is the the second uh question
that maybe about the just how to justify
the life cycle value because we need we
need to have the life cycle value. So um
actually cities uh must like present the
datadriven as we know life cycle based
evidence when evaluating the project. So
this is a very important especially when
you want to uh see all the cost from the
beginning until the end for the life
cycle cost and um we we we should have
like um uh a very good uh uh real pilot
project um to have to to to to have the
pilot the performance and yield data and
also um uh we need a very re reliable
and resilient uh avoid uh avoided cost
quantification for each of the I mean um
the uh the component that we install and
also um environmental and social life
cycle metric that we have to uh to uh
include uh in our uh project uh design.
for example the LCA uh life cycle uh
analysis and also operational data uh
for the digital system. So there's a few
thing that I think we need to uh put um
uh for overall system uh for the pilot
project. So um I can see I can say that
overall uh don't buy by capex alone. So
it should require the LCO the driverless
cost of energy or electricity plus the
LCCA life cycle uh cost analysis and
also the resilient value in the bits you
know uh so that's the important thing
and also require the pilot proof and
then um also adopt the performance
contracts uh for the project and also uh
the value digital control. Okay. So, uh
another thing the last one is uh the
factor like we call it factor
circularity. Uh so we should include the
end of life and also the recycling
obligation in the tender especially.
Okay. So this um end of life management
of panel. Uh I just want to inform all
of you that we are currently uh
developing the guidelines um with the
Seda Malaysia sustainable energy
authority development. So hopefully by
next year we can publicize the document.
So we we work on how that the panel
waste um uh to manage the panel waste uh whether
whether
uh EPR or takeback or or uh other yeah
to make sure that we have a circularity
or circular economy uh for managing that
the the ways that we projected that it
will be one of our big issue for future.
coming soon because we have the first
cohort that will be the tiring uh retire
retiring of the solar farm based on the
fit and tariff project uh the first one
program by the government. >> Okay,
>> Okay,
>> thank you.
>> Right. Thank you pro for highlighting
the first about the decreasing trends of
uh cost for solar PV and storage over
the next few years and then how to also
include uh other factors in the
calculation not only capex but also LCU
LCO LCCA life cycle analysis uh to also
put in the calculation. So um um just
now we also uh I think Dr. Muz already
mentioned about the uh financing
mechanism such as private uh public
private financing. Um but then um that
needs regional collaboration to uh
accomplish that um whether from
government u private sectors and also um
academia uh and public. So um Asan
cities might face yeah similar
challenges not only in Malaysia but also
other uh countries in Assean including
yeah because the rapid growth of uh
population and the climate um pressures
the climate change pressures. So how can
regional networks accelerate knowledge
sharing and join action on smart city
energy solution?
>> Right. um love to answer when it comes
to uh collaboration and strategic
partnerships. I mean kind of I mean
discussions. Um well we all know that
ASEAN countries uh cities sorry uh may
be diverse uh in culture uh and also uh
development levels uh but we share the
same challenges. uh I love I mean when
mentioned by uh mi just now about the
electrificifications and all that in the
rural areas so it's same Malaysia,
Indonesia, Vietnam so on and so forth we
we facing the same issues I mean um well
rapid urbanization rising energy demand
for example and also um growing climate
risk as well. So, so the key to overcome
all these things I mean uh uh challenges
uh it's not just about technology
technology is a right so it's about
collaborations uh so why regional
collaborations uh matters because um
um
no single city or country can solve
energy transition by their own alone so
so there are several I mean regional
networks already in place. Uh I think
most of us are already aware including
uh as one of the example uh ASN we have
ASEAN smart city networks. Um and um
this year we have a launch of ASEAN
power grid uh financing facilities uh
APGF. Um and most recently most recent
which is uh um yesterday
uh launching of I mean ASEAN plan of uh
action for energy cooperation 2026 2030.
So well big congratulation to ACE for I
mean mooded the ideas and all that and
um so these are major steps I mean
towards accelerating
uh we call it um crossber grid projects
um um energy investment obviously and
when we look um from uh micro grids for
example uh to EV infrastructure so all
these requires I mean data sharing uh
what else um uh standards alignment
uh policy coordinations and all that. So
this is actually um um I love to give
some some um example I mean um um
analogy. So in other words when Bangkok,
Koala Lumpur um Jakarta pilots and um um
energy storage for example or or digital
grid projects or uh uh uh digital kind
of I mean twin cities and all that. So
the lesson learned should instantly I
think um inform similar initiative
in panumpan in uh viant and all that. So
so it should be same. Yeah. So while for
us I mean just just to shout a little
bit where I'm coming from uh my Malaysia
industry government group for higher
technology might we are an agency uh
under the purview of MOSI ministry of
science technology and innovations. Um
we we we name I mean might as a
partnership hub where we bring the
triple helix or even for uh the
government industry academia and also
the people uh to facilitate we provide a
platform where we can discuss the gaps
and all that. So we we continue to play
uh our strategic and also active role in
um consolidating uh initiative um
promoting uh dialogues and also
fostering um um collaboration among
among the key I mean stakeholders. So we
provide end to end uh facilitations
uh from uh idea uh ination and um uh um
how to say this uh hosting also forums
or dialogue for such kind of this AABF
as well to conducting um uh business
matching and also ensuring this uh
successful uh deployment through our our
uh investment firm as well which is
venture tech. So um so at MIT uh how we
we uh we push forward this strategic
collaboration among the stakeholders. We
planning to um for example
institutionalize I mean ASEAN smart
energy leadership programs um and also
looking into um uh there's one ASEAN uh
green finance mechanism that uh pull
fund from across border energies and
also the smart city project. So together
we can make I mean um the project not
only in Malaysia but also uh within the
region as well uh we can work together.
So um uh I would like to uh end my my um
discussion today. Uh so our tagline is
always let's start with conversations
then we collaborate then we createreate
together and um let's we make it
together. I mean let's we make it happen
together. That's all. Thank you.
>> Thank you so much for mentioning all the
examples of regional collaborations uh
and initiatives that have been laid out
in the past few years especially
yesterday uh and also um the the way
forward. So maybe to uh that has been a
very insightful discussion. So to close
this session, I would like to invite
each panelist to say um the way forward
or key uh takeaways or call to action um
for um the any for any stakeholders like
industries or governments. What uh could
be the priorities for the next few years
to ensure these smart and sustainable
cities? Okay, for me uh having said
whatever that I have said before uh I
believe that datadriven energy
management is mandatory for all cities
throughout Asia. So if we establish this
uh every local government need to
establish their energy monitoring and
reporting within their digital platform
from through this we can have a very
good platform to uh to see the future of
the energy and managing the energy in
more sustainable way.
>> Right. Thank you. Miss Sui, your closing statement.
statement.
>> Yeah, actually it's pretty much summing
up uh what everybody has been saying. I
think the key thing that the cities need
to be looking at for ASEAN is we have a
lot of similarities. They're trying to
learn from each other, right? So the
knowledge sharing part is something that
we don't talk about. Cities are not
asking what do we need to do. Most of
the time they come to us to say how do
you do it? You know, how did you sort of
circumvented those problems? So I think making sure that we continue this kind
making sure that we continue this kind of platforms from the ASEAN side you
of platforms from the ASEAN side you know and also via agencies and forums
know and also via agencies and forums like this let's keep the dialogue going
like this let's keep the dialogue going so that cities can learn from each
so that cities can learn from each other.
other. >> Thank you. Next professor.
>> Thank you. Next professor. >> Okay. Um
>> Okay. Um I have actually uh two uh focus area I
I have actually uh two uh focus area I think that we can um uh give a priority
think that we can um uh give a priority especially for the next two years for
especially for the next two years for example
urban energy system. So this is uh the prior priority that we have to put like
prior priority that we have to put like the integration of the the technology
the integration of the the technology that we talked just now and also the
that we talked just now and also the second one is to embedding circular
second one is to embedding circular economy for me and the life cycle
economy for me and the life cycle management in city en energy planning.
management in city en energy planning. So if you if the ASEAN um cities can
So if you if the ASEAN um cities can unite uh around these two priorities um
unite uh around these two priorities um and also for Malaysia. So the
and also for Malaysia. So the integrating smart renewable system and
integrating smart renewable system and embracing circular economy practice uh
embracing circular economy practice uh we can actually unlock this both
we can actually unlock this both innovation and sustainability at the
innovation and sustainability at the same time. So um uh the partnership is
same time. So um uh the partnership is is another part of that that we think
is another part of that that we think that we have uh like a we should have
that we have uh like a we should have like a regional partnership where uh I
like a regional partnership where uh I would like to uh inform that we have the
would like to uh inform that we have the south Southeast Asia NG transition
south Southeast Asia NG transition calibration we call it among the CSOS
calibration we call it among the CSOS and NOS's.
and NOS's. uh so this is one of the platform that
uh so this is one of the platform that we can get uh or you can promote uh or
we can get uh or you can promote uh or connect uh with all the uh level from
connect uh with all the uh level from the bottom to up not only from the
the bottom to up not only from the policy enforcement to the bottom. So
policy enforcement to the bottom. So that's that's my um summary for all all
that's that's my um summary for all all the talk today. Yeah. Thank you.
the talk today. Yeah. Thank you. >> Thank you bro. Last but not least, Dr.
Right. I think I've been talking a lot. So just a simple short and sweet from
So just a simple short and sweet from me. Uh city cannot be smart if it's
me. Uh city cannot be smart if it's energy is not um and um let's work
energy is not um and um let's work together. So I would like to invite all
together. So I would like to invite all of you the panel speakers and also from
of you the panel speakers and also from the organizer as well and from the floor
the organizer as well and from the floor uh to work together with Mike. So um uh
uh to work together with Mike. So um uh inviting all of you coming to our place
inviting all of you coming to our place and let's start with something uh for
and let's start with something uh for start I mean discussion have a
start I mean discussion have a conversations and all that. So a lot of
conversations and all that. So a lot of things need to be done especially um
things need to be done especially um moving towards this um climate actions
moving towards this um climate actions and all that. So we are really focusing
and all that. So we are really focusing on climate technology at the moment. So
on climate technology at the moment. So by all means thank you very much. Yeah.
by all means thank you very much. Yeah. >> Thank you very much. With that I
>> Thank you very much. With that I conclude this session. Please give a
conclude this session. Please give a round of applause for all the esteem
round of applause for all the esteem panelists here. [applause]
>> I got one. I
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