This episode of "Call Her Daddy" features an interview with actress Anna Kendrick, where she discusses her career, personal life, and experiences with emotional abuse, offering candid insights into her journey and perspectives.
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What is up, daddy gang? It is your
founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call
Her Daddy.
>> Anna Kendrick, welcome to Caller Daddy. Hi.
Hi.
>> I'm so happy we're doing this.
>> Me, too.
>> We've never met.
>> Wait, is it tacky? Should I get rid of
my phone?
>> Only. You can put on silent
on whatever. But no, I'll just get it
out of the
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Sorry. Just in case
you get like an important call. >> No.
>> No.
>> Who would be calling you?
>> No one.
>> No one. It's fine.
>> Are you a big texter?
>> Oh, yeah. I'm always like, if you need
to get a hold of me, like, you're you're
going to have to text me. If you want an
email back, you're going to have to wait
like two weeks. You might as well send
me a postcard in the mail.
>> I'm so bad on my email. Are you one of
those people though that has like a
thousand plus emails, or are you like deleting?
deleting?
>> Um, I think it was, you know, that Okay,
so you know that this is not
interesting, but you know that period
between Christmas and New Year's where
you're like, what do what where are we
and like time has no meaning? Um, I was
like, I'm going to clean out my email
inbox because I did have one of those
cuz it was like, well, what else are we
doing? Right. And I I am one of those
people. And I hate that about me that
I'm one of those people that has like 20
>> I have the same thing. I And if anyone
calls, I immediately don't answer. And I
>> did someone die? This is bad news. This
is terrible news.
>> I don't like confrontation.
>> No, I don't I don't like communication
people. I don't know. No, that's not
true. Mostly, but um yeah. No. Yeah, you
have to text me. Okay. Obviously, like
being an actress now, like obviously
director, but like what is your like day
off? Like what are you up to when you're
not working?
>> Um I'm trying to get mint to grow in my
garden. I'm trying to I'm trying to
really like be a home maker. Not a
homemaker. That's not what I mean. I
mean, I'm trying to like do something
physical and tangible that I can go
like, "Wow, I and I grew this mint and
now I'm putting it in a cocktail because
that's as close as I'm ever going to get
to cooking." And I I don't know, there's
something about like devoting your
entire life to this very weird thing of
like pretending to be another person and
you know like crying on Q in front of a
room full of people you met three days
ago and whatever that you're like I
don't make anything physical. You know
what I mean? Like so I I feel like I'm
always trying to find like I should
really take up knitting or something
like I just want to like make something
that I can hold and go like I made this.
>> Okay. to give you a little bit more
credit. You are making something that I
mean like
>> I mean it's not like it's not real but
there is just something like fleeting
about it or I don't know.
>> Are you having an crisis right now? Are we
we >> constantly
>> constantly
>> this whole episode is us just trying to
figure out like what is the meaning of
being an actor and life? No, but I get
what you're saying. You're like I want
something tangible aka mint. It's a
little odd that mint is the one thing in
your garden.
>> It goes in a lot of cocktails. What can
you are you making good cocktails?
>> I'm trying. Yeah. I when Yeah. When I
moved, I was like, I want to be able to
like have people over and be able and be
able to offer them a refreshment, but
like I'm never going to cook. That's
never going to happen.
>> Okay. Pretend I come over. What are you
making me for a drink?
>> Um, well, do you have like a specific
>> I like tequila and vodka, so I'm kind of
like I can go either way. I like a
Moscow mule. I like a margarita.
>> Well, Moscow meals are super super easy,
so we love that. Um, but uh there's like
a watermelon vodka cocktail that I like.
Um, I I also feel like people tend to
come over and say that they drink
anything but gin, but jin makes great
cocktails. Like drinking gin straight is
for crazy people. I don't know what
that's about, but um but it makes really
great um like cocktails, especially if
you want to serve something up. And also
if you like want to commit to doing an
egg white foam, it gets it's really easy
and people are like absolutely blown
away that you've created.
>> I'm blown away already. Wait, an egg
white foam. Yeah, there the key is doing
a dry shake in your shaker with the egg
white um before you add ice and then it
will really and then you add all the
other ingredients and then add ice and
then it will actually like stay foamy
and you know just put a little like
sprig of lavender or something on top
and like people are like oh my god how
did you do this
>> me I'm the dumb [ __ ] that's like whoa
>> well then well then that's what I would
make right
>> so that so that you would find me
impressive yeah
>> that's okay that's good to know what is
one thing you can't leave the house without
without
>> um Oh god. Um probably chapstick. Like
I'm one of those people that I I have
like a I have like a drawer full of
chapsticks and Yeah. Same. Yeah.
>> And I like all the different flavors and
the different
>> Oh yeah. What's your go-to?
>> Um I really like the BS Bees. There's
like a pomegranate one. And
>> are you [ __ ] with me? >> What?
>> What?
>> No. You You're [ __ ] with me.
>> No. What? People are laughing. What's happening?
happening?
>> No. You [ __ ] talk to someone. Are you
doing a bid?
>> All my life. All my dad sold. No. Abs.
Wait. What is happening? >> Anna,
>> Anna,
>> you are not about to do that to me right now.
now.
>> You don't understand.
>> That's sick.
>> No, you don't get it.
>> I might have it in my fanny pack.
>> I'm not joking.
>> You brought a fanny pack.
>> You know what? We're I'm doing a lot
right now. Don't make fun of my fanny pack.
pack.
>> Hold on. First of all,
>> that's in Now I feel like you're [ __ ]
with me. That's crazy.
>> Okay, I have a book.
>> I feel like you just did I feel like
you're like the mentalist. like you're
Chris Angel and you're like you mean
this pomegranate
>> whichever one you said you're like road
lipstick I'm like boom
>> because I also like the sweet violet but
I was like well that's not really I
guess that's a tinted lip balm I don't
know that's something else so I was like pomegranate
pomegranate
>> I like the pomegranate too cuz it gives
you that a little bit of a tint
>> tiniest the tiniest tint yeah >> I
>> I
>> what's happening >> wait
>> wait
I'm not kidding you I thought you were
doing a bit where you were like [ __ ]
with me
>> wait have you like talked am I an idiot
have you
>> no no everyone that like really really
knows me like You know that Arthur meme
where he's like got the fifth. I always
have this in and anywhere you look like
any interview I'm doing. I have it
somewhere on my body and I have an
entire bowl in my house and every single sweatpole
sweatpole
in my house of all the pomegranate next
to my bathroom sink and I just pick one
up every day and I open a new one and I
use it until I lose it and then I go
back. I love it.
>> This is weird. We're like creepy.
>> It's really creepy. But I think the
reason I love chapstick so much is
because I have this feeling it's like
the ick of myself is if I don't have my
lips somewhat moisturized. I feel like
that is goes and is like almost
contingent with having bad breath. Like
I feel like when you see someone with
chapped lips, you're like they must have
bad breath.
>> Oo yeah.
>> I don't know.
>> No, I think that Yeah. I haven't thought
about it but like subconsciously Yeah.
There's I'm just going to lean away.
>> Okay. So you're a chapstick girl. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Good to know. So you probably have good
breath. Um, haven't gotten close enough
to you today, but we'll see later. Um,
what is the most high maintenance thing
about you?
>> Um, probably my hair. Um, I cuz I have
I'm like a secret curly. >> What?
>> What?
>> I'm like a secret like like like Carrie
Russell and Felicity level curly.
>> You have gorgeous hair.
>> Well, you know, it's not really what my
hair looks like. Um, uh, yeah. And I
I've been like I haven't like
>> I I've I I wore I started I was on like
a natural like you know curly hair um
journey like I let my therapist see me
with my like real hair big steps. Um,
and like like two of my best friends in
my house have like come over and I'm
like, I should let you know that I have
let my hair dry naturally and I'm in a
very vulnerable place cuz it I just it
was one of those things that I always
felt like um messy because I think like
when I really started to be like, "Oh, I
need to like start learning how to like
blow out my hair and whatever was when
like pin straight hair was it." There
you go. Um, it was when like tiny butts
and super straight hair was the the
height of female attractiveness. Um, so
I just felt like, yeah, I don't know,
almost like the chap lips things where I
was just constantly like doing that, you
know, just trying to um, uh, like make
my hair be like flat. Um, and when uh,
it would get like frizzy if I would go
to a concert or whatever, I would just
be like freaking out about it, like humiliated.
humiliated.
>> But you're like, I have to leave. I have
to leave the concert. And I was thinking
about like um like all the [ __ ]
energy and time that I think we all
spend without even thinking about it
about like okay well okay if I wash my
hair at this time and then how long is
it going to take to do my blowout and if
I shave my legs on this day I'll have
stubble for that well but like and just
it's always just running in the
background. It's exa it's exhausting.
>> It's so exhausting and it's so dumb
because we notice so much more about
ourselves. Like I bet if you had your
curly hair here I'd be like I love your
curly hair. Wait, what did your
therapist say to you when did Did you do
like a big reveal of like I'm gonna I'm
gonna show you now. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Was it on Zoom or in person?
>> It was on Zoom. >> Oh.
>> Oh.
>> Um, and I think it I think it was like I
I was still like this is so boring, but
I I was still like self-conscious about
it. So, I pulled back like, you know, I
did like a half up half down thing. And
so, she was sort of like, "Oh, where are
you going?" Like that it was, you know,
that it was like
>> it just looked different cuz I usually
just like wear it in like a bun and a
headband, right? Um, so I think she
thought that I was like going somewhere.
So I was like, well that's that's
encouraging. She wasn't like what
happened, right?
>> Um, but yeah, I'm still like I'm still
on a journey.
>> Well, you know what? We're going to
support you on that journey. Your hair
looks amazing today, but I bet it would
also look amazing if it was curly. Okay.
Anyways, um, you've been making movies
for two decades. What do you think you
would be doing if you hadn't pursued acting?
acting?
>> Oh, God. I I I God help me. I don't know
what I I really don't I mean uh I feel
like obviously I didn't get into show
business because I hate attention. So
there's that piece. Um like I'll when
people ask me that question I feel like
I'll usually just say like oh I'd have a
bakery or something. But like I don't
know I would be so screwed. Like I
actually remember when um when I was 17,
18, whatever I whenever I like moved uh
to LA. Um I was really really jealous of
all my friends that were going to
college. Number one, because I felt
really insecure about not going to
college. I have a whole, you know,
complex about it. Um, but I was also,
you know, on the phone like hearing
about this exciting new chapter that was
sort of laid out for them and, you know,
going to classes and joining a sorority
and um, you know, having this like
immediate community. And I was in LA. I
was like 17 or 18. It's really hard to
make friends in LA because of like the
way the city is laid out, but especially
when you don't have a fake ID. And even
if I did, I looked about 12, so that
wasn't going to work anyway. And I was
just like absolutely terrified and
really wondering if I was like making a
huge mistake. And then the weirdest
thing was that when everybody entered
their sophomore year, I was I was still
like just, you know, trying to get in
the door and all of that, but I then
noticed that when I would get on the
phone with friends of mine who were in
college, they were suddenly all of them
sophomore year having a total crisis
because freshman year was like, "This is
so exciting and there's this new chapter
and like my whole life is ahead of me
and making these friends and sophomore
year it felt like okay I'm back with the
same people and that's great and um I'm
picking my classes for this year and
that's great um but what do I want to do
with my life like there's no longer just
the excitement of like oh my god frat
parties and you know the college
experience it's like oh I have to figure
out what I want
>> and so even though the thing that I
wanted felt like a total pipe dream and
like what am I doing? This is a
disaster. It's so hard to carve out a
space for yourself in this industry. But
on the other side of it, holy [ __ ] I
did not think like what a blessing to
just know what I want. And I was like
watching all my friends go, "Oh my god,
I don't know what to what I want what to do."
do."
>> It's so interesting like cuz I I went to
college and I remember from a young age
I like knew I wanted to be in Hollywood.
Like I knew I wanted to create. I knew I
wanted to do something in this industry.
But my mom kept just being like, "No,
you have to do school. You have to do
school and then you can do it later."
And I resented that so much for a while.
But hearing like the difference, like
again, everyone wants what they don't
have. Of like being in college wishing
by sophomore year, I was like, "Get me
the [ __ ] out of here. I know exactly
what I want to do." But you being like
watching all of the kids in college and
you being like that was a big insecurity
of mine. Like
>> why was it an insecurity though? because
you were like I don't have an education
technically of
>> totally totally so I I think my family
really values um like traditional
education um you know for good reasons,
bad reasons, whatever. Um and so I was
like the first person to not go to
college. Um and my dad was a teacher and
everything. So it was like very black
sheep behavior to not go to college. Um
>> were they okay with you not going to
college? Yeah. I mean, I think they knew
I was going to do what I wanted to do.
Um, but, uh, I think there was always
that sense of like, well, if things
maybe don't work out that first year,
it's not too late to just, you know, so
I think that was always like something
that they had in mind. But, um, I don't
think they were thrilled, which is
understandable. Um, but yeah, I I then
like just worried about like, oh my god,
I didn't I didn't go to college, you
know? I don't know. It's like
>> I get it. I think it's like in a great
way. I do think like the concept of
education now is becoming a little bit
more lenient where people are like you
don't need to go to college to be XYZ.
And it's interesting because you were
right on the right path, but because of
like societal standards of like if
you're smart, you go to college. It
probably felt so disorienting when
you're watching all these people do like
the natural next step. Really, you just
skipped a big step and then you got
ahead on your career. But it doesn't
mean you can't still feel insecure about
it of like in conversation having to be
like oh I didn't go to college like I
get that especially if your family was
like go school go school and your dad
being a teacher.
>> Totally. And I think now that I'm like
older it it's less of a thing but like
early 20s you know that's like part of
the conversation is like oh where did
you go to college?
>> I didn't like how oh my god I have to
say I didn't. And by that at that point
like you know like 21 22 I didn't really
have much to show for it yet you know
like then some things happened and you
know it was less of an issue but you're
like oh I didn't go to college cuz I
wanted to become an actor and it's like
how's that going
>> well you know I think I got to someone's
I'm hearing my phone ring so yeah
>> right they're like what are you in
you're like be back soon got to go I get
that. Um talking about your family
though you were raised in Maine right?
Born and raised in Maine. What were you
like as a kid?
>> I think I was really um like hyper
vigilant. Like I was really in
everybody's business a little bit. Um
but I think that I was even thinking
like a couple weeks ago about how I do
one of my many toxic traits is uh I do
kind of walk around with like a little
bit of a all right, who's trying to [ __ ]
me over,
>> you know? And I I was like, I don't
know. There's a chance that it's like,
oh, oh, you're spelling bedtime. You
think I don't you think I don't know
what's happening here? You know, like
just I don't know. Just being real
aggressive about like how I wanted
things done and like very opinionated.
But I don't I can't really tell if that
comes from childhood or from like
working in an industry where I'm sure
you've experienced it's like you agree
to certain things and then it's like oh
and can we also do this thing that would
be really humiliating for you and not
like uh pay you any extra money or check
with you in advance and ask you in front
of a group of people so if you say no,
you'll look like a [ __ ] you know? So
I'm just always like, "All right, who in
this room is trying to [ __ ] me over?"
That's so interesting that you're like,
did that happen when I was young or is
it just like something I can't not
remember? Because you started in the
industry at what like 10 you started
really getting into it?
>> Yeah, I I uh I started kind of
auditioning for things when I was 10 and
I I booked my first gig when I was 12.
Um, so but I mean I wasn't auditioning
all the time because I lived in Maine
and so either
>> one of my parents had to drive me to New
York City for like a 15minute audition
and they were like, "Well, sweetie, we
love you, but g Jesus." Um, so
eventually um, my brother and I would
take a Greyhound bus from Maine to New
York. And that's one of the situations
where uh we were in that I auditioned
for this show that I ended up getting
and we were in New York and they asked
me um are you cool to like stay for a
call back tomorrow? And I was always
just told like we'll just say just say
yes. You'll figure it out later. So I
was like absolutely I will see you
tomorrow. No problem. And my brother and
I like then are just like okay we need
to find a hotel in New York City.
>> Anna, what are you 11? I'm 12, he's 13
or 14. And so, uh, we found a hotel and
my parents called the hotel and faxed a
credit card and told them like, "Yes,
yes, we'll be along shortly and they're
in Maine." Um, and so I like washed my
underwear in the sink and then just like
put on this. I mean, luckily there is
like a thing where if you get a call
back, you're it's kind of conventional
wisdom that you should wear the same
thing. So that didn't seem like I was
the gross kid with one pair of clothes,
>> same underwear.
>> Um but uh so then the next day the same
thing happened and again it was like no
problem. I will see you again in the
morning and had to do it again. Um and
then uh they Oh, that's right. They uh
they did ask me cuz I was wearing combat
boots and they were like can you cuz the
part was for like a little rich girl.
Okay. So, they were like, "Could you
like wear something like, you know, we
just love to see you in in more of a
kind of Sunday best outfit?" And um and
and specifically someone mentioned my
shoes. So, I was wearing this like ratty
cardigan and like ripped jeans and these
like combat boots, but I was like, "Ah,
the solution will be to go to the
nearest Pay Less and find like white
church strappy sandals." And so like
with like the last $20 that we had, I
like bought this pair of sandals, like
dress sandals, and wore those with my
ratty cardigan and jeans and uh and then
like wandered in and I think they were
just like, "Oh, for [ __ ] sake." Yeah,
fine. Whatever. Great. Um and then we
were on a Greyhound bus home and we had
this phone for emergencies and that rang
and it was like, "Hey, you're going to
be on Broadway." I'm like trying to
picture 12-year-old me walking around in
New York City with my brother who's two
years older than me. I'm like, how the
hell were you not even scared?
>> I think that we just thought it was like
such an adventure. And I think we also
like wanted to be like cool New York
City kids so [ __ ] bad that we were
just like, "Yeah, this is so normal."
Um, I can't remember if we were like
low-key freaking out or not, but we I
know that I mean even when I went there,
>> um, at 17 I did this show at New York
City Opera and I remember like riding
the subway to work and seeing like, oh
my god, you know, you see those gorgeous
girls who were like going to American
Ballet um, and being like and like
looking at them and being like, we're
really doing it. Oh my god, I'm in New
York and I'm going to work and I'm going
to work on the subway and it's like not
a big deal at all. Which if you're
thinking about it like that, it's a huge
[ __ ] deal to you. I was not I had no
chill. Um, but that was
>> But that's sweet. Okay, all of this is
happening. I know that you were
nominated for a Tony Award when you were
just 12, so it came from that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. What did kids in school think?
>> It's weird. again like I don't know if
you've experienced something like this
but there were several moments where it
felt like if I mentioned anything to the
kids at school they don't get me wrong understandably
understandably
sort of thought I was like talking about
something else like like in the same way
that if someone in my school in like
middle school or high school had been
like oh yeah I'm going to Olympic trials
I would be like, "So, is there some kind
of like local like, oh, it's the
Olympics?" You know what I mean? Like, I
would just be like, "No, you're not."
Like, cuz that just doesn't make sense
cuz we're from Maine. Like, what are you
talking about? Um, I remember having um
like a really little indie film in the
Sundance Film Festival when I was 16, 17
and going to Sundance. And
I remember one of my close friends, one
of my like best friends called me and
was like, "That's so weird. There's
something on um on the news about I
think it was I could be getting this
mixed up, but I think it was like the
year that Britney Spears and like Fred
Durst went to Sundance together."
There's something I maybe I'm maybe I'm
hallucinating. It was some other story.
I don't know. Um, but she called me and
she was like, "Yeah, they're at like the
Sundance Film Festival." And isn't that
so weird because you were just saying
that you're doing something called
Sundance, but it's like happening at the
same time. And I was like, "I'm at
Sundance. I'm at the Sundance. I'm at
the Sundance Film." That's why I was so
[ __ ] excited about it.
>> Right. You're like, I'm here with
Britney Spears.
>> Yes. And And like she was like a close
friend. So I think like there's an an
understandable thing that happens where
you're just like >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Not you here.
>> They didn't get it. So you and you
didn't talk about it over the toply
where like people would even have a
concept of it.
>> No. No. I mean even I think there was a
hope a luckily very brief window where
uh it was kind of like a teasing
situation. So it was like I knew better
than to be like running my mouth about
it too much
>> cuz people would make fun of you. Yeah.
>> Isn't that so weird? Meanwhile, it's
like everyone wants to be a movie star.
>> I don't know. I think just drawing any
attention to yourself in middle like
particularly this was like in middle
school like right after I did the the
Broadway show it's like you just want to
disappear like I think people talk about
high school as being cutthroat. Middle school
school
>> was so much scarier to me.
>> It was so horrible. I completely agree.
High school is actually like I started
to get my [ __ ] together. Middle school I
was terrified.
>> Yeah. I I remember feeling like just
like trying to be like a moving pile of
laundry, you know, just wearing like the
biggest clothes and just trying so
[ __ ] hard not to draw any attention
to yourself.
>> Yes. So, you obviously started to become
so successful like was your family like,
oh, this is normal,
>> you know?
I found some
success and then I think this is pretty
typical for for um entertainment stuff
that like the money really follows like
several years later. There's that period
where you're like, "Okay, I'm like
low-key a little famous, but I am so
[ __ ] broke." It would make you tear
up how broke I am. Um so you're kind of
trying to fake it till you make it. Um,
but like I had brought my family to the
Oscars and you know there was a really
interesting moment a few years later
when I like bought my first place and I
had them at my place and it was like you
could feel the energy particularly from
my mom and dad of like oh okay okay okay
and it wasn't a mansion but it was just
like oh you're going to be okay because
they were obviously like very proud and
but there's things with like awards and
reviews where that's great but it's
still really abstract and to just see
something solid where it was like okay
our crazy you know daughter who didn't
go to college
>> like has managed to buy a home you know
it was like I could feel not so much
like pride but that they were actually
like oh you made it okay relieved like
okay yeah
>> it all worked out like we don't have to
worry about now her like going back to
college and trying to figure out
something else.
>> Completely. She's not going to move in
with us and like drain us dry. Yeah.
>> Love. Love. Um, you've been in so many
great movies. I want to talk to you
about a few of them today. We got to
start with Pitch Perfect, obviously.
What was that audition process like?
>> Well, you know, I think the the most
interesting piece or the piece that has
certainly followed me around is uh when
I auditioned, they they needed you to
just like prove that you could sing. Um,
and I was like, well, I know how to do
this thing. There's a cup and there's
this song and I could do that. So, it
was just cuz I was like, well, where
else am I going to do it? Cuz I was like
lame enough and dorky enough to have
bothered like learning this thing. Um,
and so I did it for my audition. And
they were like, we should put that in
the movie. And originally in the script,
like Becca, my character's audition
song, was I'm a Little Teacup, which I I
I keep meaning to ask the writer K.
Cannon, like was that meant to be like
funny? How like how would that have
worked? How how was I supposed to play
that? I don't I don't know what I was
supposed to do. Was I supposed to like
do like a a Christina Aguero version of
I'm a little teacup or was it supposed
to be like
>> like a like oh I like resent that I have
to do this and you know but I sound fine
so you would have done it
>> I guess like that I mean I would have
been relying on somebody to tell me like
what the vibe was supposed to be but
luckily I didn't have to figure that
out. Um, so they they were like, "Well,
let's do that for for Becca's audition."
And I was like, "Great. Making use of a
useless skill." And then, um, then
people when they saw the movie like
would ask about it and stuff. And so
then the studio was like, "We should
release this as a single." And I was
like, "What are you [ __ ] stupid? You
want to release this as a single? That's
so embarrassing. I'm so embarrassed for
us." Um, so they had me like go into the
studio for like 20 minutes, a hit that
was made in 20 minutes. Um, and just
like sing the rest of the song and I was
like in there with a stool and a cup
doing the cup in this weird studio. And
then they were like, "What if we did a
music video?" And again, I was like,
"Are we what's going on? This is so You
guys, I'm so embarrassed for you." Like
I just was like, "There's no way anybody
would care about this." like I whatever.
Um and so we like make this music video
and then it like which is why by the way
why am I saying this phrase? Why is this
phrase coming out of my mouth? It
started climbing the charts. Like why is
this a part of my story and my life?
Like I was just like what's h what is
[ __ ] happening? This is so out of the
realm of anything that's supposed to be
happening. And I always thought like
because I was in the middle of making
this like indie film and I'd be getting
like texts from people going like it
just like got into the top 10 of like
Billboard's top 100 and I was like in
the basement of some church like
shooting this tiny little indie film.
Meanwhile, I think it was like I think
it was speaking of the times Miley Cyrus
and McLemore was was like in also in the
top 10. And so I I always just think
like they must have been like, "What the
[ __ ] is this shit?"
>> Like who is this girl? What is this? How
dare you? I'm out here like busting my
ass on Good Morning America putting on a
live performance and this like freak
show. Whatever this [ __ ] is is in the
top 10. How dare I? What on earth? >> Anna,
>> Anna,
>> I would hate me. I would hate me.
>> Did you ever learn to be like, "Damn,
that shit's good." They did send me a
platinum record and that was perfect.
That was perfect.
>> Bye, [ __ ] That's literally perfect.
Like I guess it was kind of
>> Oh, I guess when I got my platinum
record though insane that you're like
this is so [ __ ] embarrassing, you
guys. And meanwhile, it's like the
entire world learned this [ __ ] I
remember trying to learn it, Anna. Okay.
No, you did not.
>> Oh, I tried. Of course I Everyone
Oh, I tried your face.
>> I couldn't really do it. You shot your
face. You [ __ ] invented it. That's so
crazy that you brought that to the movie
and they were like, "Yes." Um, okay. I
just realized also while you were
talking, which is fun, is I have had on
you, Britney Snow, Adam Divine, and I
have had on Rebel.
>> Oh my gosh.
>> I have almost had like the entire
>> cast. You're like collecting all the Pokémon.
Pokémon.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I'm kind of having a good
time. Um, how would you describe your
guys' friendship on that cast? Um,
honestly I I I use this word in the
truest sense of uh like we are a family
like truly in the sense of like we
didn't choose each other like we didn't
ask to be in each other's lives in this
way and we're so bonded and it does feel
there's something really not to be lame
there's something really magic about it
because so often like you'll do a big
job and there'll be like one or two
people maybe that you keep in touch with
and the people that are like the most
similar to you and we're all really
really different and after like three
movies you're like I think this is like
a a not getting rid of each other kind
of situation.
>> I think the entire world is happy it's a
not getting rid of each other situation.
>> And also I think that I'm I'm very
avoidant. So like actually like cracking
that shell and like being in my life
like it it takes some persistence. So,
uh, like Britney's always joking that
her she's like, "Well, your phone is all
all white or whatever the, you know, the
blue text." Yeah, you get it. You get
it. Um, cuz she's like always texting me
and just being like, "I know you're not
going to reply, but um, you know, I
think that I'm kind of like certainly
the kagin of the group, but it is like
almost like everybody has a a role and
you know,
>> like you know, Britney kind of like
brings the party and I um bring the
grumpiness, I guess. I don't know. Um but
but
>> I am like it's really interesting
because even the girls that are not like
one of the closest girls like when
they're going through something,
>> I get the call and it's and it's it it
makes me feel so good. Um because I do
feel like that's kind of my role in the
group is like if if you're in jail like
my shoes are on. We're I'm gonna we're
getting you out tonight. I don't know
how, but we're going to figure it out.
>> Whereas like if you need help with like
party invitations, like I'm going to
freeze up and be like, I don't I don't
know. I don't know. I don't know what to
do. I don't know. I'm I have to leave
the room right now.
>> Call Britney.
>> Yeah. Call Britney. Please call Britney.
>> It's so fun to know that you and Britney
Snow are so close because it I don't
know. It like sets something right in
the world. Like I like that you guys are
friends. I think it also is nice because
obviously as like consumers we know that
sometimes on movie sets like people
don't get along and there's something
oddly satisfying about how amazing those
movies are and knowing you guys are so
close like it's just a fun thing for fans.
fans.
>> No, it makes me really happy. I saw some
of the girls from the movie the original
The Craft having dinner once and I was like
like
>> you guys are friends at Real Life.
>> Like it makes you happy.
>> Oh my god, it made me so [ __ ] happy.
So I do I would be like what? Oh, I
wouldn't think anyone would like care,
but I but seeing the the craft girls, I
was like, "This is so beautiful. Me so
much to me."
>> So now when people are crying when they
see you guys out together, you get it. >> Totally.
>> Totally.
>> Are we getting a fourth one?
>> Oh, I have no idea. I'm always like I'm
always like Rebel is kind of like the
steam train of the group. Like she's
always like, "I think we should do it."
And I'm like, "Well, then great. We We
should I agree. I'm just here for I'll
just be backup. I guess
>> I we need it.
>> I would love that because like we're all
so um busy and I'm so happy that
everybody's so like busy and successful
and like doing so much that actually
getting like whatever you know the 10 of
us in a room is like impossible. So it's
usually like maybe six of us at a time,
you know, trying to like uh have a
little reunion. So it does feel like
>> the thing that would actually get us all
in a room again is like the the movies.
So that's that's my best reason
>> I will watch. So, let us know. Um, Twilight,
Twilight,
>> can you believe?
Can you believe I mean what? Okay, so
someone was just asking me about like a
a while ago I had, you know, done a a
silly funny tweet where I just said
like, "Holy [ __ ] I just remembered I
was in Twilight." And people were like,
"But you didn't like forget you didn't
forget that you were in Twilight." And
the answer is truly truly yes and no.
cuz obviously obviously I didn't forget
the experience of making the movies.
they didn't, you know, but those movies
like especially at the time took on such
a life of their own and like they were
such a kind of like for for better or
for worse like a kind of touchstone like
like such a reference that you know
everybody would talk about like trying
to find the next Twilight or whatever
and I would find myself in like business
conversations talking about oh yeah I've
heard that that there's a book series
that just got optioned you know that
maybe want to try and make it the next
Twice Twilight and then I would be like,
"Oh my god, I'm in Oh my god, I'm in the
movie. Oh my god." Because I was also so
on the uh just on the outside. Had a
front row seat, but was just on the
outside of the madness of it. And I was
really like lucky to not be dealing with
the the eye of the storm really, you
know. Um, I think that like a lot of the
folks that were in the movie, even in
the later movies where they are playing
like as long as you were a supernatural
character, if you had one line, you like
couldn't leave your hotel room. People
were crazy and and you know, people were
criticizing like, oh, but she has green
eyes in the book or or whatever. And I
just didn't have to deal with any of
that. So, so on the it's almost feels
like I didn't really have to run the
gauntlet that some of the other I mean
most of the other people did. I just had
to like show up and say dumb funny [ __ ]
and just be like what are you guys
talking about? You guys are [ __ ]
acting weird. Okay.
>> Everybody's really serious. Bye. Like
that was the that was the gig. It was awesome.
awesome.
>> Jessica. Oh my [ __ ] god. Jessica
being like what's so great about Bella?
Like I don't get it. Like what's going
on with Bella? Which is also crazy
because when I auditioned for that I was
like, "Yeah, I think in the book she's
like the blonde athletic volleyball
captain popular girl." So I was like,
"Well, great. I'm not getting this job."
And the goal then becomes like, "Well, I
hope I just like making an impression on
the casting director and the director so
maybe they'll remember me for something
else, right?"
>> And so I was like, "Well, I'm just going
to like try to be like weird and funny
cuz I don't know." And then they were
like, "Oh, great. Yeah, let's do that."
So there I am with like my with my
headband because like in that humid
weather they didn't know what to do with
my hair full circle. They were like it
just keeps getting bigger. So So I was
always like in a headband or pulled back
like really tight. Um and
>> you know in my like ratty little costume
like you know five inches shorter than
Kristen going like I don't even get what
the point is. Meanwhile, she's so
stunning in real. Like, you're like, "Oh
my god, I'm staring into the eyes of
like a Siberian husky. She's so gorge
like I mean, she's gorgeous on screen,
but like in person." Have you met her in person?
person? >> No.
>> No.
>> There's a quality, let me tell you. >> Really?
>> Really?
>> Oh my god. It's breathtaking. And she's
obviously very beautiful. And sometimes
you meet certain people and you're like,
"What? How dare you?
>> Why are you Why are you doing this to me?
me?
>> Oh my god."
>> So, you know, the the audacity of me to
be like, "I don't see I don't see it. I
don't get it.
>> Right. You're like the Right. Right.
Right. Were you ever like I'm being
annoying like or you're like it's fine.
It's my role.
>> Yeah. I guess it was like I'm being
annoying which means like
>> you're doing your job. I'm doing what
I'm supposed to be doing.
>> You're doing your job. Your job. I'm
obsessed with you being like they trying
to put my hair down and I'm like I don't
know what to do.
>> I know
>> it all comes full circle. Um okay. Next movie.
movie.
>> Alice Darling. This is like obviously a
bigger shift and is a
>> basically is about a woman in
emotionally abusive relationship. when
you're taking on a more
intense role, like do you hesitate in
those moments or do you enjoy those type
of moments that are a little bit darker?
>> Um, it was uh Oh gosh, that's weird. I'm
about to use a phrase that I've been
using uh in reference to directing. So,
but it it kind of makes sense because
it's a similar thing where it was like
pushing myself off of a cliff and not
giving myself the time to go, is this a
good choice? Cuz it was like it was
really scary and personal and
God, I'm just remembering like I
remember I didn't tell I haven't thought
about this in a while. I didn't tell
anybody in my life. Not my like well
this was also kind of coy so I wasn't
talking to that many people. So again
I'm bringing up my therapist but I
didn't tell my therapist. I didn't tell
like my closest friends that I was
making this movie about emotional abuse
because I had just gotten out of a
relationship that was extremely similar
to the movie. Um and I didn't want
anybody to tell me to not do it. Like I
didn't want to get talked out of it. And
I knew that there were good reasons for
my friends and certainly my therapist to
be like, "Is this the best idea for you
like right now?" Um,
>> so I just kept telling them it's about
like three friends in a cabin and like
it's about like their relationships,
which in a way it is, right? But um
yeah, I I like didn't even when after
the movie was wrapped, whatever. Like
they didn't even know that it was about
emotional abuse until like the trailer
came out cuz I just didn't I just didn't
want somebody to tell me, well, I don't
know, maybe this is the childhood thing
of like I don't want you to tell me it's
bedtime. Like I I need to do this. I'm
going to do this.
>> Can I ask like how long did that um
abusive relationship that you endured last?
last?
>> Um it was it didn't follow the
traditional pattern, which is kind of
yet another reason why I was finding it
really difficult to identify it and name
it as abusive.
>> Um cuz I was like reading all the
articles and going like this doesn't
look ex like some of it looks like how
they're describing it but not
completely. And um so the relationship
was seven years. Okay.
>> Um but it was like an overnight
switch and um that went on for about a
year. Um, so it didn't follow that more
traditional like it's like a frog in
boiling water thing where it started
slow. It came out of absolutely nowhere,
but was built on this foundation of I
had so much love and trust for that
person. So I thought it had to be me.
Like I if one of us is crazy, it must be
me. Um, so it was very very um difficult
um to actually go, "No, this I think
this is I think this is him. I think I
think this is his stuff." Cuz I turned
my life completely upside down trying to
um fix whatever was wrong with me. And
you know, it didn't help that for a long
period of time, our like couples
therapist, I think, just bought his
stuff kind of hook, line, and sinker.
And I've had several sessions with him
uh in, you know, the last several years
where he's apologized to me because I
think he realized what was going on like
toward right toward the end.
>> But um
>> yeah, that obviously made everything a
lot more complicated.
>> We always have to remember like
therapists are human beings, too. And a
lot of times they don't know the inner
dynamics. And if you are with a very
manipulative person though that is good
in crowds like they can mask it pretty
easily and you can be kind of painted to
be the person that's like insane or
you're unreasonable or you're like
unwilling to make the relationship work.
And when you have a licensed person
staring at you next to the person that
is abusive
>> because we project so much authority
onto them even though we kind of know
intellectually well they're just people.
It's like I just want and it was also I
just want someone to tell me what's
happening. Like I wasn't I wasn't even
thinking like we're going to go into
couples therapy and he's going to you
know ream you out and it's going to I I
was just like well someone just explain
to me what's going on. So uh yeah it it
was uh it was fullon. But it was also
interesting that like I always felt like
I was trying to stay so calm in couples
therapy because I was like [ __ ] in these
sessions he's so able to kind of stay
calm in a way that he does not do when
we're outside of therapy. Um and then
there was a day again toward the end
where I really kind of like lost my
[ __ ] And I did think like oh my god
like what have I done? Like what have I
done? Like I can't it's going to be so
bad now. Like what what did I do? What
do you mean? What do you mean it's going
to be so bad?
>> Like if things when I'm trying so hard
to like appease this person, they're so
[ __ ] awful. So, how bad is it going
to get now that I've like yelled it, you
know? Um, and I sent after that session,
I first of all, weirdly, he was fine,
which was very weird, very interesting
cuz I think he felt like
maybe a little bit like calm because he
was like, "See, you're [ __ ] crazy."
So, it was weirdly fine, but I sent the
therapist an email being like, "I'm so
embarrassed. I'm so sorry. Like, I I you
know, I need to control myself or
whatever." Cuz I had yelled in in this session.
session. >> And
>> And
he called me, which he hadn't done
before, and was like, "No, no, I'm so
proud of you." And that's when I knew
like, "Oh, something has shifted. Like,
something's changed." And then, yeah,
things ended pretty quickly after that.
I mean, I appreciate you sharing this
just because I have so many women that
listen that are like, "What are the
signs?" And like, I I I appreciate you
how you opened um the conversation about
this topic about like it literally
changed overnight and I was reading all
the articles being like, "Is this me?"
Well, no, that's not me. you try to
justify things like do you mind sharing
anything that maybe like my listeners
could be like oh this this is happening
to me too that like maybe doesn't
present as like this is abusive and
toxic but the undertone is so there
>> god it's so hard it's so hard and I
>> well I don't know maybe I'll maybe I'll
think of something but it's this
conversation is even like really
complicated for me it's like even
talking about it I and feel like my my
body temperature going up because I
think that sometimes the conversation
around like red flags like those are
important conversations that we should
be h we should be talking about it like
thinking about it looking for them
sharing with each other >> and
>> and
I think that even the most well-meaning
conversation sometimes about like
>> red flags is can be a little victim
blamy and which is hard because I'm
like, well, also I want to know, you
know, and share red flags. Um, because
>> it does sort of put the onus on you to
be able to identify something that, by
the way, someone is working so hard to
make sure you can't identify. Like I I
really started thinking about it like um
like if someone was raised from birth as
like a wilderness survivalist and they
just dropped you or I mean I don't know
maybe maybe you have this in your
background but uh if they dropped you or
me in the middle of the woods I would
step into a booby trap within three feet
because I don't know what to look for.
And it's like because I didn't spend my
life learning how to build or identify
traps. Like how is it that we're meant
to like be inside the mind of someone
who is working very hard to make sure
that you feel very unsteady and are
questioning yourself. So, it h it's
really it's really complicated and it's
it's it's
hard for me because I I I there are even
times when I talk about my situation
where as I'm saying it, I will go, am I
making that up? Am I making everything
up? Like I remember having a
conversation with my therapist like a
year after that relationship where
where
I was constantly asking her to just
diagnose me with like an egoonic
disorder so that I could just fix it and
and make sure that like oh this just
won't happen again or something. And
there was a point where she
was she was talking about my ex and she
started to say something where she was
like, "Well, you know, when you're
dealing with a wolf in sheep's
clothing." And I went, "No, no, what if
I'm the wolf?" Like, "What if it was
me?" Because I think that was the thing
that I didn't expect was
how totally convinced he was of his own
victimhood. like
I know him well enough in spite of
feeling like well I didn't know him at
all but I know him well enough to know
like he's not an actor he's not a
performer he you know not a great liar
in in a lot of ways so
>> I was like looking at someone who was
actually kind of like suffering and and
I thought like well if he's being
manipulative I'll know it because you
know I'll smell the [ __ ] Like I'll
smell that this is kind of a performance
that he's putting on, but I don't think
he was putting on a performance. I think
he genuinely believed that I was like
torturing him. He told me one day I was
terrorizing him because I was just
crying because I couldn't pretend that
things were fine anymore and I just
started crying and he screamed in my
face, you're terrorizing me. But it was
truly from the place of a person who
believed that they were being
terrorized. So I I don't I don't know if
that's would resonate with people, but
it does. It's like even when I would
watch these [ __ ] videos, I would read
the articles and watch the videos and
when like
>> um Dr. Romany, who I love, like you
know, she's she's doing like an
impression of a fight where, you know,
some abusive piece of [ __ ] goes, "Alex,
you're crazy." But that's not how it
actually sounds. It's like it was like
sometimes it was so emotional. It was
like, "Anna, I'm begging you. Like,
you're ruining everything. You're making
like it was so real for him that it was
like, am I really am I doing something
terrible?" And I think that, you know,
especially with conversations about
like, "Well, you're always out with your
friends and trying to isolate you, those
kind of things." Like, I think they're
really convinced that you're doing
something terrible to them. So, like,
the pain place is real and that can be
very, very misleading and convincing. I
just want to say the way that you
everything you just said.
>> Yeah. Did that any of that make sense?
>> 100%. It it made so much sense. If
anything, it's probably one of the best
descriptions of it because I really
really appreciate you saying like
I still am uncovering some of the
[ __ ] red flags because I'm still even
in my head being like did that even
happen? Am I is it still some of it on
me? Like I think that is a great message
to just give to everyone listening is
like it is not normal. You should not be
like, "Oh, that's bad behavior and I
recognize that you're being manipulative
and gaslighting and blah blah blah."
Like when you're with someone that you
love for so long and it does turn into
an abusive situation. It is so hard to
see. And that's why ignorant people that
whether they don't have someone that
they know or it never happened to them
are like, "Why didn't you just leave?"
It's so
>> It's so hard. It's so much harder than
that cuz even you to this day sitting
here being like I still in my head I'm
like was that real? Like it's
>> and even sharing that I'm like [ __ ]
should I even say that? Like there's
something like that feels I think
incorrectly but feels like shameful
about how am I not more solid in my like
healing recovery whatever how am I still
but it's not that Anna it's like you are
present in your reality today but when
you reflect back on that relationship
and that inner dynamic with that person
you are still perplexed by how the
person sitting here today was in a
situation and how that went like that I
think is normal like I think that's what
people struggle with. And that's why I'm
appreciative of you talking with me
about this because like it is so weird
when you're like, I am happy and healthy
now. So, how can I still be affected by
that? I think it would be weird to not
be affected by someone that manipulated
you in a way because it distorts your
reality completely.
>> And so, like you sitting here like I
guess I could ask like how have you
learned and I'm sure you're still doing
it like to trust yourself again?
>> Yeah, it's hard. I mean, yeah. I mean,
even even having this conversation, you
know, like in the the I know we haven't
like gotten there, but uh in the the
movie that I made, um
like something small like you know,
there are all these different women in
the film and they all have like very
different personalities and that felt
important to me um as like yet another
kind of small reason why it feels like
hey there's no I wish there was But
there is no way to guarantee protection
from someone who is determined to harm
you. And that sounds grim and and I
guess it is, but surely like the least
we can do when someone has harmed us,
when we come out of like a devastating
situation is take off that top layer of
shame where we go, well, I should have
known. I should have seen. I should have
been different. I should have been the
tough girl. I should have been the sweet
girl. I should have done. And it's like
none of that will save you. None of that
will save you. And again, like I I
almost hate saying that because it it's
so bleak. But I think I have I did and
still sometimes do so much self shaming
around like how did I how did I find
myself in that situation? Yes. Like I'm
a real [ __ ] So, like, how did I how
did I not do the thing that I would have
told you that I would do, which was
immediately be like, throw a scarf over
my shoulder and be like, "Have a nice
life, dick." And and like I it's there's
something like so vulnerable and kind of
humiliating about the fact that like I
just stayed and I kept thinking I'll
I'll just try to be I don't know warmer
or better or something. I mean, even
when um this was the like our schedule
was getting worked out to to come and
record this, um it was like the next day
I went on social media and I saw a video
of you talking about an experience you
had where you were like, "Why did I
>> not just leave?"
>> And I was like, "Girl, I you were in a
fawn response." And like that's the
whole like woman of the hour. That's
it's like all fawn response. It's all
just like what do I have to do to
survive? Like you were doing what you
had to do to survive.
>> Thank you for bringing it up because I
do now want to talk about the movie.
That's kind of what we've been building
to is like these themes of every woman listening.
listening.
Yes. I feel like we're both like pretty
strong independent women that we've got
like our careers and people could look
at us and it's like wow like you guys
have got it all figured out and we're
both sitting here being like no no no
like to this day I've been in weird work
situations that I'm like wait like Alex
Cooper the caller daddy person that just
like signed her big deal and all this
like no there have been still moments in
this industry where I am having
uncomfortable interactions with people
and I'm like
>> wait why didn't I just like
>> do something.
>> Why weren't you just assertive and why
were you It's not that easy. And it's
and I I now want to talk about the movie
because you're right. There are so many
themes in it that are so brilliantly
portraying what we as women go through
every day. And then it also women will
be like, "Yep, I've been there. I've
been there." And still to this day, like
I don't know if men completely
understand what we have to go through
and why we fawn instead of scream kick
and punch in the face. Um let's talk
about the movie. um Woman of the Hour. I
first of all, you were set to, you know,
be the lead, right?
>> And then you also directed it. How did
this come to be?
>> Yeah. So, I actually got the script for
Alice Darling and Woman of the Hour like
the same like month at least. Like I
want to say the same week, but but it
might have been the same month. And you
know, certain movies just come together
quickly and certain movies take forever.
So, I was attached um as an actor for
like two years. And you know, you're
just sort of like, well, I love this
script. I love this story, you know, let
me know. And um and that happens a lot
in uh in the industry. And the other
thing that happens is that sometimes,
you know, something will just be kicking
around for a long time and then out of
nowhere it will be like, hey, we raised
the money and we have a start date, so
let's try to keep this train on the
tracks because otherwise it'll probably
like disappear again, right? And so we
were like suddenly starting the search
for a director and uh
I basically had like 48 hours where it
was like this voice going you should
pitch yourself and me going shut up.
Absolutely not. Everyone needs to be
quiet. We're not doing that. Um and it
was that same feeling of like I'm oh my
god I'm going to push myself off a
cliff. And um so I pitched myself to
direct the movie. Um because I felt like
I had become slowly kind of obsessed
with the script and there was a little
bit of me um like where I would give
like ideas, feedback, whatever. But you
know it it was there were you know
producers, cooks in the kitchen,
whatever and
>> I was always a little bit like well you
know if it were my movie I would
probably do it like that but it's not my
movie so whatever. And the idea of um
taking it and just tweaking it that
little bit um was really exciting to me.
So, I pitched myself and um I got the
job and then six weeks later I was in
Canada doing like hard prep for the
movie and then we and then we were like
making the movie and it really was like
I'm going to push myself off a cliff and
I guess I will find out on the way down
if I packed this parachute correctly
because like if if it had been six
months later, I would have panicked and
backed out. I would have been like, "You
guys are right. We should find someone
way more experienced. It'll it'll be
great. But I had also in the last like
five years before that started to have
the experience of looking around a film
set and going, "Huh? Oh, oh god, I'm the
most experienced person here. Oh, oh no,
I'm the most experienced person here and
I'm an idiot. This is a nightmare."
Like, it wasn't like hot [ __ ] It was
like, oh no. But you are like, oh wow,
I've been I've been doing this a long
time. Um, so yeah, it felt like, okay,
it's kind of a now or never thing. Um,
and I was absolutely terrified. Um, but
I was trying to kind of just like fake
it, right?
>> I was like, I'm a super confident
leader. I should be in charge of things.
Um, and again, like I don't know about
you, but like I absolutely overthink
things and I can get paralyzed in
perfectionism, all all that stuff.
And then when like my back was against
the wall or like things were really
running behind and you don't really have
a choice but to be running on like
adrenaline and instinct.
There were even things in the edit
where, you know, you're you're looking
at like the stuff in between takes where
I would see myself like run into the
frame and like give the actor a note and
like adjust a piece of set deck and I
was like, "Well, that lady seems like
she knows what she's doing." >> Damn.
>> Damn.
>> Okay. Like when I'm in a blind panic and
you don't really have a choice, I was
like, "She seems like she's an authority
figure. How about that?" I mean, it's an
incredible movie and you should be so
proud of yourself. I know you are. But
like to know that I didn't realize it
was that where you're like, should I
pitch myself? Should I pitch myself?
Thank god you pitched yourself because
it's awesome. Like it really is amazing
coming from someone that gets so [ __ ]
scared from movies like this.
>> I know. I know. I know. And I did tell
you, I was like, "Well, if you made it
through the first five minutes, it's all
it's like it gets easier from there.
>> It gets easier." But before like for
people who haven't watched it yet, the
movie is based on an insane true story.
Can you give just like a little bit of a
a bite for them to understand what's
going on?
>> Yeah. So, it's based on um the true
story of uh a serial killer in the 1970s
who went on the show The Dating Game. Um
and it moves around through time. So,
it's kind of following this like more
than a decade long period where he was
really operating without consequence
because nobody was really looking for
him, which is uh another interesting and
by interesting I mean enraging um aspect
of the story. But, uh I play the
Bachelorette who's on the dating game.
Uh, and that some of that footage exists
online, but the full episode, like all
the footage appears to have been kind of
like lost to time. So, uh, the the
screenwriter kind of used that vacuum as
this opportunity to
it's it's almost like a fantasy section
of the movie, except the fantasy is what
if a woman stood up for herself? Can you
imagine? Um, but I but it's like it's
interesting because speaking of like
asserting yourself,
>> it's a really fun section of the movie.
It's a it's a you know it's a it's a
really tense movie but like that section
is kind of fun but as the viewer it's
complicated because you know that okay
she's been shrinking herself and in a fawn response and she's like standing up
fawn response and she's like standing up for herself which is so fun to watch
for herself which is so fun to watch >> but we know she's getting herself closer
>> but we know she's getting herself closer and closer to danger and it's
and closer to danger and it's complicated like there are times where
complicated like there are times where you go why don't I just assert myself
you go why don't I just assert myself and it's like sometimes it's not that
and it's like sometimes it's not that simple. Women will understand those
simple. Women will understand those moments where you stroke the ego or you
moments where you stroke the ego or you actually are like so [ __ ] nice in
actually are like so [ __ ] nice in situations that you're so uncomfortable
situations that you're so uncomfortable in because in your head you're like the
in because in your head you're like the only way I'm getting out of this
only way I'm getting out of this situation is to be so appeasing and so
situation is to be so appeasing and so nice and work it and then all of a
nice and work it and then all of a sudden I know I'll be able to get out at
sudden I know I'll be able to get out at some point. But to a normal person
some point. But to a normal person that's never been in that situation or
that's never been in that situation or isn't a woman is like we why don't they
isn't a woman is like we why don't they just like scream and run and you're like
just like scream and run and you're like first of all if I tried to scream and
first of all if I tried to scream and run I'm dead [ __ ] so [ __ ] you. Okay
run I'm dead [ __ ] so [ __ ] you. Okay like clearly we're not that dumb. Um I
like clearly we're not that dumb. Um I think that was like something very
think that was like something very interesting in the movie. Obviously, I
interesting in the movie. Obviously, I talked to you earlier before we got out
talked to you earlier before we got out here about like that parking lot scene
here about like that parking lot scene just like struck me because I think
just like struck me because I think every woman anytime you are in a dark
every woman anytime you are in a dark area and you are walking anywhere, your
area and you are walking anywhere, your senses go up where you're like, "What
senses go up where you're like, "What the [ __ ] is going to happen to me? What
the [ __ ] is going to happen to me? What the [ __ ] is going to happen to me? Am I
the [ __ ] is going to happen to me? Am I going to die? Am I going to get
going to die? Am I going to get murdered?" Um,
murdered?" Um, >> how do you think this movie, like what
>> how do you think this movie, like what do you think it says about how women are
do you think it says about how women are prayed upon in society? Yeah. I mean,
prayed upon in society? Yeah. I mean, well, first of all, I just want to say
well, first of all, I just want to say like it's so interesting that you use
like it's so interesting that you use the word like your senses go up because
the word like your senses go up because even the way that um like that scene was
even the way that um like that scene was kind of the first scene that I could
kind of the first scene that I could like visualize. Um and I imagined it in
like visualize. Um and I imagined it in kind of mediums and close-ups and then
kind of mediums and close-ups and then when that thing happens where we've all
when that thing happens where we've all been there where like an interaction is
been there where like an interaction is perfectly pleasant and then 10 seconds
perfectly pleasant and then 10 seconds later you're like, "Wait, 10 seconds ago
later you're like, "Wait, 10 seconds ago everything felt fine and now like
everything felt fine and now like something feels very [ __ ] dangerous."
something feels very [ __ ] dangerous." It almost is like your entire like your
It almost is like your entire like your hearing your peripheral vision is just
hearing your peripheral vision is just like okay where do I see movement where
like okay where do I see movement where do I hear movement how unsafe am I and
do I hear movement how unsafe am I and so that's when like the camera goes
so that's when like the camera goes jumps wide because it's like oh that's
jumps wide because it's like oh that's when you would be aware of like oh this
when you would be aware of like oh this parking lot is empty like re there's not
parking lot is empty like re there's not a maintenance man there's not a passing
a maintenance man there's not a passing couple like all I can hear is the buzz
couple like all I can hear is the buzz of the street lights and it really is
of the street lights and it really is like in those moments in your own mind.
like in those moments in your own mind. You're like, "Oh, I can almost hear like
You're like, "Oh, I can almost hear like the ringing in my own ears because like
the ringing in my own ears because like there's nothing. [ __ ] there's nothing."
there's nothing. [ __ ] there's nothing." That is so interesting stylistically
That is so interesting stylistically like you having the decision- making
like you having the decision- making around the camera angles and how
around the camera angles and how different not that like we love men and
different not that like we love men and we love male directors but I'm just like
we love male directors but I'm just like so curious to know like how a man would
so curious to know like how a man would have directed that scene where you're
have directed that scene where you're directing it like so in the presence of
directing it like so in the presence of your own body and how you would feel in
your own body and how you would feel in that moment.
that moment. >> Holy man. And there were times when
>> Holy man. And there were times when people were talking about like when we
people were talking about like when we were on set, people were talking about
were on set, people were talking about me as like a oh I'm so glad a woman's
me as like a oh I'm so glad a woman's directing this. And there were times
directing this. And there were times where I was like, is it making that much
where I was like, is it making that much of a difference? I can't really tell.
of a difference? I can't really tell. And then there were like, you know,
And then there were like, you know, there were there were a bunch of
there were there were a bunch of examples like this, but there was a
examples like this, but there was a there's a moment where like the girl in
there's a moment where like the girl in the New York City apartment when she
the New York City apartment when she kind of realizes like, oh, something's
kind of realizes like, oh, something's wrong. I don't know what's wrong, but
wrong. I don't know what's wrong, but something's wrong. And she doesn't even
something's wrong. And she doesn't even drop her smile and you can just sort of
drop her smile and you can just sort of see it in her eyes. And when we were
see it in her eyes. And when we were shooting that, one of my producers was
shooting that, one of my producers was like, "Should we just do another take
like, "Should we just do another take where it's just more clear what's
where it's just more clear what's happening?" And I was like, "It will be
happening?" And I was like, "It will be very clear to women what's happening."
very clear to women what's happening." Like, I think it will be clear to most
Like, I think it will be clear to most men. But I was also like, if there's
men. But I was also like, if there's like 20% of men who are like, I don't
like 20% of men who are like, I don't understand what's happening in this
understand what's happening in this scene. Fine. Right. That's okay.
scene. Fine. Right. That's okay. >> That would be fine. I would much rather
>> That would be fine. I would much rather like actually be like, "No, this is how
like actually be like, "No, this is how you would handle this." Like, you
you would handle this." Like, you wouldn't let on at all.
wouldn't let on at all. >> No.
>> No. >> Um, that's so interesting. Oh, yeah. It
>> Um, that's so interesting. Oh, yeah. It it it was like, oh, I wasn't really sure
it it was like, oh, I wasn't really sure how um like being a woman director would
how um like being a woman director would really show up in the movie, but then
really show up in the movie, but then yeah, there were a bunch of things like
yeah, there were a bunch of things like that where I was like, oh no, that's not
that where I was like, oh no, that's not even what the scene's about. Like what?
even what the scene's about. Like what? >> No, I love it so much. And I I think
>> No, I love it so much. And I I think again the themes are so important for
again the themes are so important for people in society to just like grasp
people in society to just like grasp onto and understand. And I think this is
onto and understand. And I think this is like a very accurate depiction.
like a very accurate depiction. Obviously heightened like we're not all
Obviously heightened like we're not all not like dealing with like a murderer um
not like dealing with like a murderer um serial killer.
serial killer. >> You know, there are so many stories that
>> You know, there are so many stories that I hear where I mean even your story
I hear where I mean even your story where you're like why did I why didn't I
where you're like why did I why didn't I just whatever. It's like you did what
just whatever. It's like you did what you had to do. Are you kidding?
you had to do. Are you kidding? >> I know.
>> I know. >> Are you kidding?
>> Are you kidding? >> It's just so weird. Daddy Gang, we're
>> It's just so weird. Daddy Gang, we're talking about the Paris episode, the
talking about the Paris episode, the Paris story. If you haven't listened, go
Paris story. If you haven't listened, go listen. But like, yes, that story I
listen. But like, yes, that story I remember being so even anxious to tell
remember being so even anxious to tell the story online at first cuz I was
the story online at first cuz I was like, "Oh god, like
like, "Oh god, like >> everyone's just going to say like,
>> everyone's just going to say like, "Well, girl, what were you thinking?"
"Well, girl, what were you thinking?" >> Like, "Why'd you get on a plane? Like,
>> Like, "Why'd you get on a plane? Like, why'd you go?" And I'm like, "Because I
why'd you go?" And I'm like, "Because I thought that he was a normal nice man."
thought that he was a normal nice man." Like, I think that's what we all go into
Like, I think that's what we all go into it. Like unless you are burned so deeply
it. Like unless you are burned so deeply from a young age, which is horrific, and
from a young age, which is horrific, and you have your those like guards up from
you have your those like guards up from a young age, you go through life for a
a young age, you go through life for a while until you hit a point where you
while until you hit a point where you are [ __ ] over in a way that like will
are [ __ ] over in a way that like will stay with you for the rest of your life.
stay with you for the rest of your life. And we wish that wouldn't happen to us.
And we wish that wouldn't happen to us. But when it happens, you can't unsee it.
But when it happens, you can't unsee it. But before it happens, you're trusting
But before it happens, you're trusting people. You're like, I want to trust
people. You're like, I want to trust people. I want to have a good time with
people. I want to have a good time with someone. And like isn't it interesting
someone. And like isn't it interesting that we're so easily uh in induced to go
that we're so easily uh in induced to go like well what were you thinking like
like well what were you thinking like trusting someone thinking thinking other
trusting someone thinking thinking other people are good but then by the way if
people are good but then by the way if you're like oh I'm kind of ky about
you're like oh I'm kind of ky about dating and stuff right now it's like
dating and stuff right now it's like well you got to open yourself up you're
well you got to open yourself up you're like all right oh oh this is a setup
like all right oh oh this is a setup this is a trap oh I see I see there's no
this is a trap oh I see I see there's no winning there's no [ __ ] winning
winning there's no [ __ ] winning speaking of dating as we're wrapping up
speaking of dating as we're wrapping up I promise
I promise >> no
>> no >> are you are you dating dating? Are you
>> are you are you dating dating? Are you single? What's going on?
single? What's going on? >> No, no, I'm I'm I'm single. But it is
>> No, no, I'm I'm I'm single. But it is funny. I was like I was thinking the
funny. I was like I was thinking the other day, I've I've been single for a
other day, I've I've been single for a while and uh and I was like, "Oh god,
while and uh and I was like, "Oh god, I'm This is very me. I'm very avoidant
I'm This is very me. I'm very avoidant and I I have all these kind of um
and I I have all these kind of um >> uh like little traps uh in in my head or
>> uh like little traps uh in in my head or like escape hatches or whatever." And uh
like escape hatches or whatever." And uh I think like for a long time now I've
I think like for a long time now I've been like uh nope no prospects.
been like uh nope no prospects. Meanwhile, I'm like, Anna, every time
Meanwhile, I'm like, Anna, every time your phone buzzes, it's someone being
your phone buzzes, it's someone being like, "Oh, I know this guy who writes on
like, "Oh, I know this guy who writes on this great, he's on that show that's so
this great, he's on that show that's so great that everybody loves." And he like
great that everybody loves." And he like really wants to meet you, so just let me
really wants to meet you, so just let me know. And like I just put it back down
know. And like I just put it back down and go, "No prospects for old Anna. Poor
and go, "No prospects for old Anna. Poor poor Anna. Nobody wants me." Like it's
poor Anna. Nobody wants me." Like it's like such a game that I'm playing with
like such a game that I'm playing with myself where I'm like, "Oh, I'm not
myself where I'm like, "Oh, I'm not wanting to go there, so I just like
wanting to go there, so I just like don't see what's happening." Like people
don't see what's happening." Like people like people going like, "I'd love to
like people going like, "I'd love to take you out for a meal." and me going
take you out for a meal." and me going like, "Oh, he wants to be buddies."
like, "Oh, he wants to be buddies." Like, that's not even a euphemism.
Like, that's not even a euphemism. That's just like how people ask you on
That's just like how people ask you on dates. And it's just amazing the way
dates. And it's just amazing the way that I'm like, "H,
that I'm like, "H, >> no one for poor Hannah." It's so
>> no one for poor Hannah." It's so pathetic.
pathetic. >> You're just not in the mood.
>> You're just not in the mood. >> Yeah. Basically.
>> Yeah. Basically. >> Well, and also like I made this movie
>> Well, and also like I made this movie about like the most dangerous violent
about like the most dangerous violent man. So, there might be some bleed over
man. So, there might be some bleed over there.
there. >> No, I think it's I love when people are
>> No, I think it's I love when people are like, "No, I'm not dating." I think like
like, "No, I'm not dating." I think like we can normalize that when people are
we can normalize that when people are like, "You're not seeing anyone." I hate
like, "You're not seeing anyone." I hate those friends that are like, "Come on."
those friends that are like, "Come on." It's like, first of all, shut up. I'll
It's like, first of all, shut up. I'll do it when I want to, but clearly like,
do it when I want to, but clearly like, yes, you went through something with
yes, you went through something with someone and you made this movie and now
someone and you made this movie and now it's like you're going to get back out
it's like you're going to get back out there when you want to get back out
there when you want to get back out there. Is there anything that's like a
there. Is there anything that's like a non-negotiable for you in a
non-negotiable for you in a relationship? Oh, well, uh, in spite of
relationship? Oh, well, uh, in spite of my, uh, not great experience with
my, uh, not great experience with couples therapy, um, I was like, first
couples therapy, um, I was like, first of all, I'm never getting involved with
of all, I'm never getting involved with a man, meaning like, we're not even
a man, meaning like, we're not even kissing. We're not like, I'm not even
kissing. We're not like, I'm not even we're not even going to like have a real
we're not even going to like have a real conversation. Um, unless you are in or
conversation. Um, unless you are in or have been in therapy. Um, and if we're
have been in therapy. Um, and if we're actually like, oh, okay, maybe this is a
actually like, oh, okay, maybe this is a relationship. We're getting a couple
relationship. We're getting a couple therapists from Jump. From Jump. And
therapists from Jump. From Jump. And like, by the way, that guarantees
like, by the way, that guarantees nothing. like even that. But yeah, I I
nothing. like even that. But yeah, I I >> I love that. A man that's in therapy.
>> I love that. A man that's in therapy. >> I know. It warms my It warms my heart.
>> I know. It warms my It warms my heart. It's a good sign.
It's a good sign. >> It is not a guarantee of anything.
>> It is not a guarantee of anything. >> You're right. It's not a guarantee, but
>> You're right. It's not a guarantee, but at least it's like a little bit more
at least it's like a little bit more like
like >> it's a little bit more in the right
>> it's a little bit more in the right direction because a man that's like, I
direction because a man that's like, I would never [ __ ] go to therapy. I'm
would never [ __ ] go to therapy. I'm like, what's wrong with you? You're the
like, what's wrong with you? You're the one that has the most [ __ ] trauma.
one that has the most [ __ ] trauma. Totally like not a good sign. And can I
Totally like not a good sign. And can I say I mean even the kind of going back
say I mean even the kind of going back to the red flag thing that like I'm
to the red flag thing that like I'm aware that you know I love that there is
aware that you know I love that there is a bit of a community and women wanting
a bit of a community and women wanting to share like this turned out to be a
to share like this turned out to be a red flag and like you know we should
red flag and like you know we should know those things and know that like
know those things and know that like >> it doesn't necessarily protect us to
>> it doesn't necessarily protect us to look out for those things. Um but I was
look out for those things. Um but I was like I was thinking about how uh you
like I was thinking about how uh you know a classic one is like any guy that
know a classic one is like any guy that says like oh all my exes are crazy
says like oh all my exes are crazy that's a red flag. I was like, you know,
that's a red flag. I was like, you know, all these guys have access to the same
all these guys have access to the same internet and the same culture that we
internet and the same culture that we do. So, I don't think that they're
do. So, I don't think that they're rocking up to first dates and going,
rocking up to first dates and going, "Gh, all my exes are crazy [ __ ]
"Gh, all my exes are crazy [ __ ] bitches." They're like, "It was a messy
bitches." They're like, "It was a messy situation. It was, you know, and and
situation. It was, you know, and and I've been burned." And look, I I I
I've been burned." And look, I I I probably contributed in some ways, too.
probably contributed in some ways, too. But
But >> I'm like I think as we're learning it,
>> I'm like I think as we're learning it, they are too. Not to be like, "Oh,
they are too. Not to be like, "Oh, they're like," and I don't even think
they're like," and I don't even think they're doing it on purpose. It's just
they're doing it on purpose. It's just happening subconsciously.
happening subconsciously. >> No, like the those little [ __ ] are
>> No, like the those little [ __ ] are fully learning off of this episode,
fully learning off of this episode, being like, "Don't say this. Do this."
being like, "Don't say this. Do this." No, you're right. You're right. They're
No, you're right. You're right. They're taking notes. Like, they're not idiots.
taking notes. Like, they're not idiots. You're right. I had a guy tell me about
You're right. I had a guy tell me about an ex where he was doing like it was
an ex where he was doing like it was almost like he was getting me to collude
almost like he was getting me to collude with him by by being like, "No, she was
with him by by being like, "No, she was a great person," but then would tell me
a great person," but then would tell me things about her that would make me go,
things about her that would make me go, "That's not okay. That's awful." And he
"That's not okay. That's awful." And he would sort of be like, "Oh, wow. Really?
would sort of be like, "Oh, wow. Really? Do you think it was?" And then it was
Do you think it was?" And then it was all [ __ ] It was all full-on
all [ __ ] It was all full-on fabricated crazy. But like it it is
fabricated crazy. But like it it is like, "Oh, they're Oh, oh, they're
like, "Oh, they're Oh, oh, they're learning. They're like velociraptors. My
learning. They're like velociraptors. My god." Okay, so on a first date, what do
god." Okay, so on a first date, what do you want to be doing on a first date?
you want to be doing on a first date? Are you going to a dinner? Are you doing
Are you going to a dinner? Are you doing a coffee? Are you doing a [ __ ] Zoom
a coffee? Are you doing a [ __ ] Zoom meeting?
meeting? >> Oh my god.
>> Oh my god. >> What are we doing? What's your ideal
>> What are we doing? What's your ideal first date?
first date? >> H I know. I'm like, is there a way to
>> H I know. I'm like, is there a way to just like
just like have it like at my house in my pajamas?
have it like at my house in my pajamas? I mean, like you have to look nice and I
I mean, like you have to look nice and I will be like recording it for the
will be like recording it for the authorities, so don't try anything. But
authorities, so don't try anything. But I Yeah, I am like what? Leave the house
I Yeah, I am like what? Leave the house dinner, Alex. That's disgusting. Why
dinner, Alex. That's disgusting. Why would you say that?
would you say that? >> You'll do a face.
>> You'll do a face. >> But go to a movie. What? Oh my god.
>> But go to a movie. What? Oh my god. >> Your movie. How iconic. Yes.
>> Your movie. How iconic. Yes. >> Kind of iconic. Um, okay. Last two
>> Kind of iconic. Um, okay. Last two questions. What is your best quality
questions. What is your best quality that you think you bring to a
that you think you bring to a relationship?
relationship? >> Oh god. Um, oh. Um, sometimes uh when I
>> Oh god. Um, oh. Um, sometimes uh when I feel like I've seen like memes and stuff
feel like I've seen like memes and stuff online about like the girlfriend that
online about like the girlfriend that will be like, "This isn't what he
will be like, "This isn't what he ordered." You know how like some men are
ordered." You know how like some men are are like, "Oh, that well this isn't um
are like, "Oh, that well this isn't um but that's okay and I'll just eat it."
but that's okay and I'll just eat it." Like I'm very much like the bodyguard.
Like I'm very much like the bodyguard. Like I think I'm compensating for how
Like I think I'm compensating for how short I am. I'm always like, "Wait,
short I am. I'm always like, "Wait, wait, now hang on a second." Um which is
wait, now hang on a second." Um which is weird cuz I'm the person where if the
weird cuz I'm the person where if the wrong thing comes, I'll just eat it. But
wrong thing comes, I'll just eat it. But when it's somebody else, and it's the
when it's somebody else, and it's the same thing with friends where I'm like,
same thing with friends where I'm like, "Where are they? No, no, no, no, no, no.
"Where are they? No, no, no, no, no, no. Who said that to you?" No, no, no. Where
Who said that to you?" No, no, no. Where are they? I just want to talk. No, no,
are they? I just want to talk. No, no, no. I just want to talk. Like I go I
no. I just want to talk. Like I go I really talk crazy to people. It's It's a
really talk crazy to people. It's It's a lot. But I I don't know. I like that
lot. But I I don't know. I like that about myself.
about myself. >> I kind of love it.
>> I kind of love it. >> It's way I don't know if you find that
>> It's way I don't know if you find that it's way easier for me when it's
it's way easier for me when it's somebody else.
somebody else. >> Of course. And then to stick up for
>> Of course. And then to stick up for yourself, you're like, "Oh, no. No, no,
yourself, you're like, "Oh, no. No, no, no. Never. Never." But to someone else,
no. Never. Never." But to someone else, I'm like, "Oh, I got you, [ __ ] I'm
I'm like, "Oh, I got you, [ __ ] I'm coming in full swinging. Like, let's
coming in full swinging. Like, let's go." No.
go." No. >> I'm like, they're already dead. I don't
>> I'm like, they're already dead. I don't We don't even have to worry about it. I
We don't even have to worry about it. I slit their throat last night. It's fine.
slit their throat last night. It's fine. >> That's a good friend to have. This is
>> That's a good friend to have. This is good to know about you. Britney's lucky,
good to know about you. Britney's lucky, but you're also lucky with lucky.
but you're also lucky with lucky. >> Um, last question. What do you think is
>> Um, last question. What do you think is like the biggest misconception about
like the biggest misconception about you?
you? >> Oh god, I don't know. I don't know. I
>> Oh god, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, sometimes, okay, sometimes I don't
mean, sometimes, okay, sometimes I don't know if this counts as like a
know if this counts as like a misconception, but um sometimes I truly
misconception, but um sometimes I truly don't realize how dry I'm being. I have
don't realize how dry I'm being. I have like such nervous kid sister energy
like such nervous kid sister energy around um like real like comics. Um, and
around um like real like comics. Um, and uh, so I'll try to like be funny. Like
uh, so I'll try to like be funny. Like even even if someone's just funny, like
even even if someone's just funny, like I'll be like, "Oh yeah, I have to like
I'll be like, "Oh yeah, I have to like keep up." And I'll go so dry that
keep up." And I'll go so dry that >> I think sometimes I don't realize it
>> I think sometimes I don't realize it comes off like I'm being dead serious. I
comes off like I'm being dead serious. I saw a video of I saw a Tik Tok of myself
saw a video of I saw a Tik Tok of myself once. Um, I was at this party and uh
once. Um, I was at this party and uh this guy like, you know, just got me to
this guy like, you know, just got me to do like a video with him. Um, and I was
do like a video with him. Um, and I was joking that he told me that he'd been
joking that he told me that he'd been like filming me from across the party.
like filming me from across the party. And it was fine. It was fine. Whatever.
And it was fine. It was fine. Whatever. Um, but I was like, "Oh, we're doing a
Um, but I was like, "Oh, we're doing a bit about how like, oh, you were
bit about how like, oh, you were secretly filming me, motherfucker."
secretly filming me, motherfucker." Like, so, okay, we're doing like I'm
Like, so, okay, we're doing like I'm like, "Yeah, we're doing a bit." And
like, "Yeah, we're doing a bit." And then I see the Tik Tok cuz it like went
then I see the Tik Tok cuz it like went viral and I was like oh my god it seems
viral and I was like oh my god it seems like I'm it seems like I'm it seems like
like I'm it seems like I'm it seems like I'm ready to kill this man which like
I'm ready to kill this man which like look mostly am I ready to kill men at
look mostly am I ready to kill men at any given moment a little but I was like
any given moment a little but I was like I'm being so funny and then I saw it
I'm being so funny and then I saw it back and I was like oh my god and all
back and I was like oh my god and all the comments were like wait is she being
the comments were like wait is she being serious? And I was like I don't know am
serious? And I was like I don't know am I being serious? My god. Like, and it
I being serious? My god. Like, and it really I'd never like seen just a video
really I'd never like seen just a video of me doing a bit that wasn't like
of me doing a bit that wasn't like coming across as a bit. So, I was like,
coming across as a bit. So, I was like, "Oh my god, how many times? How many
"Oh my god, how many times? How many times?" Cuz this is like the tone that I
times?" Cuz this is like the tone that I snap into when there's like a comedy
snap into when there's like a comedy director or something like where I was
director or something like where I was like, "Oh, wow. There have got to be so
like, "Oh, wow. There have got to be so many situations where they're like, I
many situations where they're like, I don't know. I thought we were getting
don't know. I thought we were getting along fine." And then she like freak she
along fine." And then she like freak she like went like dead eyed on me or
like went like dead eyed on me or something. Meanwhile, I'm like, I'm
something. Meanwhile, I'm like, I'm being so funny. It's going great. Okay.
being so funny. It's going great. Okay. Like, I'm nailing it, Anna. You're
Like, I'm nailing it, Anna. You're nailing it.
nailing it. >> And that is the end of our episode.
>> And that is the end of our episode. And that concludes today's session,
And that concludes today's session, ladies and gentlemen. Um, Anna, thank
ladies and gentlemen. Um, Anna, thank you so much for coming on Caller Daddy.
you so much for coming on Caller Daddy. This was so fun. You're amazing.
This was so fun. You're amazing. >> Both of us. Thank you so much for
>> Both of us. Thank you so much for everything.
everything. >> Thank you. Thank you.
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