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Young professionals in ASEAN are crucial drivers of the energy transition, bringing unique perspectives, innovative ideas, and a strong desire for change to address regional energy challenges and opportunities.
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have a very interesting topic for all of
you today. Uh since as mentioned by our
MC here Nadia um we are all from young
professionals from across ASEAN and
today we're going to talk about
something very interesting and very
inspiring I guess to all of you as well.
So the thing the topic will be you
voices in energy transition and how are
you as young professionals currently
contributing and projecting the future
of energy transition. So today uh
without further ado, let me welcome my
panel, fellow beautiful and handsome
speaker today. First up, let's have
All right. So boys and girls, guys and
girls, if you are interested and to know
about more about young professionals in
ASEAN, please do join us here at the uh
Okay. So, I think I've mentioned their
names, but I think I guess we need to
have a formal introduction or perhaps a
bit of a introduction of sorts to my
speakers here. So, I think we start off
with the guy next to me. I guess uh your
name and where you're from and also what
your um what's your role in in ASEAN or currently?
currently?
>> Hello. Uh okay, good morning everyone.
So my name is uh Amir Miza bin Anoa. So
uh I'm from Malaysia. Uh currently at
Ministry of Investment, Trade and Industry.
Industry.
So I'm in industrial development
division uh where our perview is uh
development of industry uh in Malaysia.
>> Thank you Ma. And next to Miraa.
>> Hello everyone. I hope you you can hear
me well. My name is Amira Bill Kiss. I'm
from uh Youth for Energy Southeast Asia.
Currently, I'm taking the role of
managing director and at the same time
I'm also serving as a advisor to the
director general of Ireina or
International Renewable Energy Agency.
So um basically my role is that I'm
doing a lot of advocacies in the rural
region but at the same time I'm also
advising it to the highest level of
assembly at Ireina. Thank you.
>> Right. Thank you so much Amir Amira. So
and last but not least um next Amira.
>> Hi Fisal. Thank you. Um hi everyone. I'm
Shana from the ASEAN Center for Energy.
Uh I come from the fossil fuel um
hydrocarbon and minerals department. Um
so very contentious contentious
department but we're actually working on
how um we are uh acknowledging that
we're still using fossil fuels in region
but trying to help member states to use
it responsibly and my work entails right
now doing uh all the methane emission
projects uh at ACE. I think that's a
good thing because we are not here to
wash. We are here to actually educate or
maybe share some of our perspective.
Okay. So I think I'll start with uh the
first question to Amira.
As young professionals in ASEAN, how do
you see your generation or maybe our
generation shaping the region's path
towards a just and inclusive energy transition?
transition?
That's actually a tough question because
I think what we need to understand first
is that um I think me and Sha is in the
same generation uh Gen Z and then some
of us probably are G alphas. We are
living in a world where information and
climate change awareness has been uh
really skyrocketed in the last few years
and I think that's also kind of like
influence how do uh our young people
perceive energy sectors. I think I would
like to share to you that there is a
certain study that actually conducted by
Azen Secretariat back in 2020 and then
at the time they are actually
calculating basically doing survey on
what is the sectors that is most
interested by young people and then
unfortunately energy sectors is actually
not even make it into the top 10.
Although our region is actually very
resourceful when it comes to um energy
resource such as of course coal, oil,
gas as well as um the one that is like
more cleaner like geothermals,
um hydropowers and so forth. So I think
um our re our era and young people
really wanted to kind of like you know
raise their voices when it comes to
wanting to be part of the energies now
in order for us to actually understand
better on how energy transitions could
actually influence our life in the next
um couple of decades.
>> All right. Thank you so much. I mean I'm
interested to know about that you know
the data that you mentioned earlier just
now. Okay. So I think the next question
will be to the gentleman here, Miraa.
The energy transition often focuses on
technology and policy.
Where do you think youth voices fit in
this equation?
>> Uh okay, thank you Fisal for the
question. So I think uh where uh the
youth fit uh in the current uh energy
ecosystem right now uh is uh to address
the grassroot behavior of our youth. So
uh as mentioned by Amira just now uh the
youth is more open uh to enter the
energy sector compared uh to the
generation before them. So uh they have
the willingness
uh to change uh their own behavior and
influence their peers around them. Uh
especially uh we can take the
opportunity maybe to uh have a session
in school or something uh in a
co-curriculum activity that involve uh the
the
practical or more interesting
uh ways uh to attract them to be
proactive in the energy sector. And
besides that I also want to uh inform
about the energy literacy. So I think
our youth right now is uh has more
sources than us. Uh so they are born in
the 5G era. So they have internet in uh
and in their own fingers. So they can
easily Google the maybe the current uh
uh natural disaster what are the cause
and how to prevent it. So they are open
more open to uh have or to increase
their energy literacy. Thank you.
>> Okay. Thank you. So um as mentioned
information is already avail readily
available now. I guess you all don't
know what does dalab means. Um I know
what dalab means. It's been quite some
time dalab is there. And also I think
right now people don't go google they go
chat gpt actually.
Yeah I see faces of people like yeah I
did my homework with GBT. It's okay.
It's okay. We use technology for our own
benefit. All right. So uh let's go to
our speaker at the end. Cha. What unique
Assean challenges or opportunities do
you see in advancing the energy
transition compared to other regions?
>> Well, for starters, um ASEAN is a region
with very very rapid uh economic and
population growth. I think we're
projected to be the fourth largest
economy just in 5 years time. Uh but you
know fueling this growth you need very
significant amount of uh energy uh
demand. Um our projection also shows
that by 2050 our energy demand will
almost triple um from this to 2022
level. So potentially reaching um 1,18
m. And I think the IEA also uh states
that uh with today's policy scenarios uh
we're we're on track to be uh in 2035 to
account for 25%
of the global energy demand. So that's
uh a quarter of what uh the energy in
the world consumes. So now the problem
is um 80% of this energy mix is still
coming from fossil fuels uh under the
BAU scenario.
And our projection also shows that even
with the most aggressive uh renewable
energy and energy intensity reduction
targets, fossil fuels will still
dominate at around 50 to 60%. So that's
uh so energ challenges is there but the
potential to transition is I would say
Assean region bigger than other regions
uh because of this as well. Um and but
progress is underway uh for ASEAN. I
think tomorrow or today we're going to
uh finally release the ASEAN renewable
energy uh long-term road map uh which is
which will be uh endorsed and adopted by
the ASEAN energy ministers. So that's
long overdue but that road map will you
know chart pathways on how ASEAN could
amplify its renewable energy. And then
we also have the ASEAN power grid which
is gaining uh momentum uh now more than
ever that enables crossber renewable
energy trade. Uh but still uh that
progress is not at a quick enough pace
uh to match the rising fossil fuels
demand. Yeah.
>> All right. Interesting. So all of you
here are I would say the brothers and
sisters here you all are part of this
equation as well. So take note. Okay. Uh
and tomorrow as well on on the renewable
energy road map. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. So I think I would like to
congratulate the team as well for doing
a very good job on that as well. So
thank you so much. You come on give a
round of applause. Okay.
Okay. So I think I'll go to Miraa.
How can young professionals accelerate
innovation in areas like carbon capture,
hydrogen and power systems to meet
ASEAN's net net zero ambitions.
>> Okay, thank you Fisa for the question.
So I think this question have more
jargon than the previous one. So maybe
not all of us know what is carbon
capture, what is hydrogen and what is uh
power systems. So uh I think uh just
mentioned by my friends over there uh we
are currently actively pursuing the
Assean power grid. So I believe uh this
project uh will involve
uh all of Assean uh especially the youth
uh because we need your technical
expertise, your new ideas uh to prevent
this project to become I mean in Malay
we call project gajafut so abandoned
project. So we need new ideas uh better
than uh the previous uh similar projects
uh whatnot. So uh and then uh for the
uh carbon capture I think this is one of
the popular uh uh phrase uh right now uh
as uh including in Malaysia itself. So
uh when we heard uh the budget announcement
announcement
I think two years back uh we have uh
informed the public that uh government
is interested in pursuing the carbon
capture utilization and storage uh
project or uh initiative. So uh I think
this will also be an opportunity
uh for new ideas uh from the youth uh
how to make it uh better than other
region. Okay, thank you.
>> Okay, thank you Ma.
So next question is to Sha.
What are the key enablers or barriers
you face in contributing to
decarbonization effort in your
Maybe a bit uh brief background on the
organization that I'm representing. Uh I
come from the ASEAN Center for Energy.
So the host of the ABF. Uh anyone
familiar with uh what ACE is? No. Yeah.
So ACE is a intergovernmental
uh organization. uh we are mandated by
the 10 ASEAN energy ministers uh to
assist them in planning and implement uh
their regional energy cooperation
activities and we do this through what
we call the ASEAN plan of action for
energy cooperation or APA document for
short. So all of the ASEAN energy
cooperation activities including the
ASEAN power grid um must follow the APA
document. So it's it's like our bible uh
where we have to follow all of the
activities uh deriving from the apayak.
Um the biggest challenge I guess for
ASEAN is uh I would say uh the diversity
of the tenan member states uh not only
in terms of the diversity in their
resources but also in the sense of their
uh readiness and political willingness
to decarbonize uh in the region. Um but
I would also say that it's also an
enabler because of this diversity.
And before I jump into that um did you
know that not all of the 10 ASEAN member
states uh have uh net zero emission
goals? So uh currently not all ASEAN
member states have set their net zero
emission goals. I think that that uh
exemplifies the diversity of uh
willingness and readiness to
decarbonize. But again as I'd said it's
also an opportunity
because uh we see that the countries who
are uh more equipped to decarbonize can
act as as a lynch pin and trigger other
uh ASEAN member states who may not be
ready yet and guide them to transition
together. Uh for example uh in ASEAN we
launched the ASEAN CCS uh deployment
framework and roadmap last year and this
year we released the ASEAN maintain
management road map. But this was only
uh made possible the development and the
adoption of this was only made possible
because of a certain few member states
who strongly advocated for for these
road maps these decarbonization road
maps to be uh published and adopted. But
in turn all of the ASA member states uh
benefited uh from this because now they
have a road map even though they did not
strongly advocate it uh for for that at
at the first place. So yeah I would say
it's both a challenge and enabler this
diversity of the tanasan member states
but for the youth out there it it's also
an enabler for you because uh asan is a
very wide uh region with tanasan member
states. So your opportunity of um uh
jobs uh on energy transition jobs is
perhaps not only confined to Malaysia
but also to other um other Asia member
states as well. I think uh Amamira and I
uh did a paper last year led by Amamira
where we uh uh projected yeah that 1.3
million jobs uh re jobs the generated
because of re will be uh expected in
Assean. Yeah. Am I right? I mean 1.3 million.
million.
>> Yes, true.
>> 1.3 million jobs. There's a lot of jobs
there, ladies and gentlemen. So maybe
you can see what are the jobs available
after this on the real world energy
space. Thank you. Thank you Shaa. And
last we I mean now we have to Amira.
uh how can ASEAN
foster stronger collaboration between
industry, government and youth
innovators to track uh fasttrack
lowcarbon technologies?
>> I think what I want to ask first maybe
to all the participants here who is
familiar with renewable energy.
Okay, who is uh the question is who is
uh know about renewable energy? Okay, I
see some hands here over here. Okay, and
then the second question, who wants to
Okay, who wants to work in a fossil fuel?
fuel?
>> Oh no,
>> I think this is something that actually
um what is it? illustrate that the young
people actually willingly support and
become part of the solutions of energy
transitions accelerations because right
now I think what government think like
oh yeah everything the technologies uh
we need to think about the technologies
we need to think about the financial
things as well but sometimes forget that
the people is actually also part of that
transition meaning that our young people
needs to be upskilled and reskilled for
them to be relevant to the jobs that
they wanted to do that actually like you
know better for our world right but then
unfortunately a lot of like you know
universities a lot of like um training
are actually very much still left behind
when it comes to the technologies that
is actually um trying to be implemented
by a country. So for example for I think
most of you are Malaysian you know Netr
the National Energy Transition Road map
right those actually already listed down
some of the technologies
but do you think like right now with
your um major for example your
undergraduate or your school actually
teaches you that. So I think right now
what we can do for collaborations is
that private sectors and government
needs to also uh leverage the untapped
opportunity by engaging the young people
because they are actually the one that
going to work and implement those um
works as well in the energy transition.
>> All right there. Here you go. So I think
is I'm surprised um well because I'm
from Petronas so I'm a bit surprised as
well but yes uh do you join this um
energy transition um journey I guess.
All right. So I think the next question
Miraa.
In your experience, what's the most
practical way to balance energy
security, affordability and sustainability,
sustainability,
the energy trilmma in the region?
>> Okay. Thank you for the question. So uh
I think some of the points have been
pointed by Amira before this uh from my
experience in policy development uh
uh uh
uh
during uh the current uh era of uh
energy transition we can say uh right
now uh the most important thing is uh
the first one is prioritizing
which one uh we need to tackle.
first. So, uh in order to prioritizing
things, we need to have a complete data.
We need to have uh
we have need to to test it with the
different scenarios uh to
to know or to see what's uh the effects
uh what uh how effective uh the action
plan is. And the second point is as
mentioned by Amira we need to uh
leveraging uh what we have right now
because uh uh the question uh mentioned
about affordability. So instead of uh
doing new things, we need to look back
at our current policy uh what are the
status of that action plan and how can
we make it better or improve it. So we
don't have to develop it an entire
entirely new plans uh just to tackle the
same issue that we are currently facing.
And the third one is uh implementation
and monitoring. So I think this is one
of the current issue in any policy uh I
think in the region uh including
Malaysia. So uh we have a beautiful
document of policy. So how can we uh
implement it in order to make the target
that we have set uh can be achieved
because uh if we can see uh right now we
have an ETR and if in MIT we have uh new
industrial master plan 2030. So uh how
can we make sure that uh the
implementation and monitoring is uh
sign uh is something like that. So uh I
think three three of uh the points that
I have pointed is very important to
tackle the energy lima. Okay. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you Ma.
So next question is to Sha.
Beyond technology, how can storytelling,
empathy and social innovation drive
behavioral change for sustainability in
Asan communities?
I I think the answer to that is pretty
simple in the sense that you need these
storytellings and dialogue, social
empathy uh in order for you to deploy
the technologies because the
technologies can be there but without
somebody advocating for the technologies
to be deployed then it will not be
deployed. Um for example is uh for
methane methane emissions because I work
on methane emissions. Um
when when the sea level for example
tries to convince the board to do
methane emission management in their oil
and gas operation and story tells it as
a climate case then their board will go
50/50 and say maybe maybe like maybe
later. But if you story tell it um in
the sense that it's a business case for
them because there is uh capturing that
meat and emission you can resell it as a
volume of gas and then you present that
as a business case to the board then the
board will most likely say yes because
there's uh added value to them and it's
cost efficient for them despite the fact
that methane emissions is a already a
very lowhanging fruit when we talk about
trying to decarbonize the oil and gas
sector because the technology is mature
and the cost is relatively very cheap
but it's that that story different of
storytelling points that will uh be uh
the the go the deal breaker for them. So
so that's one of the example of uh the
importance of having a good uh
storytelling in order for you to get the
technology going I feel.
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you Sha. Okay. So
this is question is to
to Amira.
Amira.
What role do you think youthled
movements or networks such as Yesnet
Y4EA or other ASEAN B based initiatives
play in influencing social impact at scale.
scale.
I think what we need to understand first
is that young people actually very much
a firm believer on something that they
are passionate about and I think that's
also a strength on its own meaning that um
um
some of them I've already traveled
couple of times to several AAN member
states and I've seen so many young
people are actually doing a grassroots
initiative meaning that They are
actually invent something, innovate
something to the energy transition and
at the same time doing advocacies. They
are actually communicating things to the
communities. They even actually built a
solar panel sometimes for a community
that doesn't have electricity. Meaning
that it's something that probably wasn't
actually a priority for the government
or private sector because it's a
businessoriented, right? for young
people having more beneficials support
for a lots of people is something that
we I think very much believe in. That is
why I think right now there are a couple
of uh initiatives such as ours Y for EC
and then also a yesnet uh like Fizal is
really trying to bring out and leverage
those people that are actually doing
good things already and empower them
supporting them and then try to bring
them to be in front of the people that
are actually having the power to make
things happen because we don't have the
financial ability ilities because we are
still sometimes student I myself a
student and then um a lot of other
people's are doing it just like you know
during their free time but they are
actually doing it in a very impactful
way so empowering them supporting them
is something that they are actually
looking forward to and especially they
actually believe this one word which I
think probably at the moment are not
very familiar in the case of aan energy
sector which is intergenerational
equity because the the decisions that
are actually made today
is the one the one that are going to be
experience it either there is an action
or uh wrong choices that are made now.
It's us when you are actually working in
the sphere already when you are like you
know 10 20 years older because energy
transitions is not happen in an instant.
It happens through generations meaning
that probably it's not your generation
but even your grandchildren even. So I
think telling them that we are actually
need to have an intergenerational
collaborations is very important.
>> Thank you Amamira. And the next question
is to Miraa.
In your view, how can companies and
governments empower young professionals
to integrate sustainability into
everyday decisions, not just corporate strategy?
strategy?
>> Okay, thank you Fisel for the question.
So I think uh this question uh really
echo what we do in MITI. So uh companies
and government uh because right now in
MITI uh companies are our stakeholder.
So we will have a regular meeting or
sometimes uh by annual meeting uh with
uh big association uh such as uh the
foreign chambers and also the uh
industry association that we have in
Malaysia. So uh usually they will come
with uh their own ideas uh their own
initiative. uh they will present it to
the government and they usually will ask
for our support uh not necessarily on
about the money or in uh incentive but
maybe just uh policy support to allow
them to expand or to uh improve their
ideas or initiative. Uh so uh right now
uh especially in MIT we have the hard to
a bit sector uh such as steel, cement
and petrocham. So these three sectors
are actually working very hard uh to
help Malaysia to achieve our own uh
emission goal. Uh and then uh we at the
government uh committee uh are working
closely with Petra and Nest uh to
support them uh
in any way that they need they need
support. I think thank you.
>> All right. Thank you Mesa.
So next question is to Sha.
How can ASEAN's diverse cultures and
values be harnessed to promote
conservation and social resilience and
Um I think it's it's similar to my my
answer earlier about harnessing that
diversity itself. I mean you can
the countries who are more um equipped to
to decarbonize
decarbonize
they should also help uh those who are
left behind so that because that's also
an aspect of the just energy um
inclusive uh trans transition so that
it's the core is essentially to not
leave anyone behind and I feel that is
the key role of uh ACE to help bridge
this gap. Um to ensure that um every
every ASEN member states uh could uh
transition in in in a way that um not
only ensures sustainability but also uh
to have a secure supply of energy.
>> Thank you Amira. Sorry, Cha.
So next up we going to go to Amira.
What does future ready leadership mean
to you in the context of ASEAN's energy
transition? I think right now the young
people would agree. Do you think you
would actually support somebody that are
actually having a foresight
meaning that they are actually
understand what is going to actually
happen and change it?
No. No. some okay so the others you
think like it's better to have uh
leaders that are just understand the
current realities is it or do you think
do you want to change things
I think in my understanding and in my
experience as well future ready
leadership should have three things the
first one they need to understand the
current social realities because right
now we understand electricity is so
expensive. A lot of access to
electricity is still limited to some
areas. I believe that if you go to rural
areas, they were still waiting for the
blackout every day that is scheduled and
so forth. Right? So understand that
because if you want to actually change
into sustainabilities but then you are
actually forgetting that we are actually
having the duty to have and provide um
energy to even to the most rural areas.
I think it would diminish what future
ready leadership supposed to have in in
terms of its traits. The second is that
this person needs or this government or
entities needs to have an idea on how to
bridge the divide because I would say
right now the stigma of energy sectors
is very much maledominated and only
filled with engineer and then also you
know the discussions that oh yeah it's
very much an adult issue I think it's no
longer something that we can actually
stand for because their decision you are
the one who are going to feel uh the
most consequences. And last but not
least is like that this person need to
have a foresight in the coming years.
Meaning that not even coming years
coming decade. Okay, what should we do?
Because as I said energy transitions is
not only 10 years. So this p this person
and institution or government needs to
have that three um traits that I think
very much uh entail. And then although
sometimes like it's something that is
probably hard to be identified in our
own current government, I think we can
start with our own. That is why I think
youth for energy Southeast Asia, our
organizations is trying to nurture
leaders in energy sectors to be to have
this traits as well the from our
capacity building workshop and so forth.
If you could change one thing today to
enable more meaningful you participation
in shaping policy or strategy, what
would it be?
>> Uh thank you Fisa for the question. uh
it's a very tricky question because uh
we need to address uh many things
actually but I think uh what we can
change is the development of human
capital because just as Sha mentioned
and Amira mentioned right just now uh
there will be uh estimated of 1.3
millions of new re jobs uh so uh how can
the Asan region uh be uh we can be ready
uh for that new opportunities. Uh I
think the development of human capital
is usually being sidetracked uh in the
policy development. So uh I think uh
this is the time to change that uh to as
I mentioned before we need to prioritize
things. Uh so I think maybe we can start
to prioritize uh workforce development
uh that involve our youth in the
university and school uh right now uh to
have them ready for that future jobs uh
with uh the support of government in
term of syllabus and uh and uh and the
related uh support from the our ministry
of education and and and so on. Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you Ma. So next question will be
to Sha.
How do you envision the next decade of
ASEAN's youth involvement in achieving
net zero and social progress?
>> How do I envision? For starters, um I I
would like to see youth uh participation
and representation in policy and
decision making. not something uh that
is just symbolic but can also be perhaps
um institutionalized or or have yeah or
have set indicators and what I mean by
this is uh for example uh there's
already a growing uh progress for gender
inclusion for example in um in
conferences like this there might be set
indicators where the panelist must have
at least one female. I think that should
also be applied to youth representation
where there's an set indicator that
there needs to be one youth panelist in
in conferences or in uh policy making
situations and in projects uh for
example uh proposal making or projects
uh there there's now uh increasing
indicators that there needs to be one uh
section on gender gaps for instance. the
same could be applied to youth uh where
there's one dedicated uh section that
projects must have a youth analysis on
that. So I I'd like to see that we move
away from just having youth as something
symbolic and needs to be there but also
now more institutionalized in Asan.
>> Thank you. I think this is a very good
point actually. I think this is
something that we need to look into I
think for now. Okay. So this is the last
question but I guess this is for
everyone here. So we the question is
finally finally if you could summarize
your journey in one sentence how are you
personally contributing to the future of
energy transition so I'll start with Amira
Amira
I think
um so just probably
one word dedication because working to
for youth advocacies and empowerment it
takes a lot of um time and I mean
sometimes I work as well I'm studying as
well so it's something that is just I do
in the side but having that dedication
and a really dream team that's
supporting me when it comes to deploying
a lot of like support to the young
people I think that's very much
something that I think and describes my journey
journey
>> thank you Amamira what about you Mira
>> I think uh in one sentence that can
describe uh
my I mean my
mantra is it so I think uh let's start
now uh because I think uh
the time is very limited uh as we can
see right now uh the natural disaster uh
we have earthquake that never happened
in an area before so I think uh let's
start now is the
is the best way forward Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you, Mara. And last but
not least, Janya over there.
>> I think pushing more accountability to
the current leaders to do more on energy
transition and um hopefully to do this
strategically through the API document.
>> All right. Thank you Shaa. So that comes
to the end of our session. So thank you
so much everyone once again for being
here today. Uh we will also have another
session um this Friday with one of our
speakers from Yesnet. So I think from
now thank you so much from all of us. Um
and enjoy your day. Thank you so much.
>> Thank you so much to Fal Ma Amira and
Shana. Thank you. I think we had a very
good audience from the the students just
now. We had one from a school and also
from a university uni of KL. So I think
I'm not sure which faculty they were
from but I'm sure they they seem to be
very uh inquisitive. They were very into
the conversation. That was good. Thank
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