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Cultivating Psychokinesis, Part One: A Personal Journey, with Joseph Gallenberger
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mishlove hello and welcome I'm Jeffrey
mishlove this is part one of our
three-part series on cultivating psycho
with me is Dr Joseph gallenberger who is
author of inner Vegas creating Miracles
abundance and health and also liquid
luck The Good Fortune
handbook he is in addition a senior
trainer at the Monroe Institute near
Charlottesville Virginia it's a pleasure
to be with you you pleasure as well
you've been working as a trainer of
psychokinesis for over three decades now
yes I guess I have I wasn't uh formally
attempting to do that but it has ended
up uh a good bit of my life path to help
uh folks learn what I think is a natural
ability for all of us to be able to do
psychokinesis and to me that's exciting
because it relates to energy healing and
manifesting which is also useful in life
mhm traditionally psychokinesis has
thought of as mind over matter the
ability of human Consciousness to
directly affect the physical world not
mediated by any conventional means like
our muscles mhm and I modify that a
little bit yes I look at the Mind might
be like the steering wheel of a car it
focuses our intent for the direction we
want to go but there you don't go
anywhere without gas and in
psychokinesis you need very high energy
for it to be a more consistent reliable
effect and so use the energy of an open
heart or the energy of love very
positive energies as uh there so I would
a affecting matter with our energy
directed by our mind yeah well let's
let's talk about how you began this work
I know for you as a child you
experienced out of- body
experiences yes I had some um Oneness
experiences a point of Consciousness uh
um as a young child mhm and I was being
raised Catholic so I began to read the
Christian Mystic kind of literature on
that mhm and also had that experience uh
I can remember at a time when I'd ride
my bike a lot as I went to sleep I'd
imagine riding my bike down a hill the
handlebars would separate and begin to
fly with me on them and then I'd let go
of the handlebars and go U about the
line line of the out uh utility lines
and go visit friends see what they were
doing unfortunately usually they were
asleep but that
day uh but it it gave me some U
long-term interest in out of body as a
way to explore Consciousness flying
dreams as as a child and I think you
write that you had maybe a hundred out
of- body experiences guess yeah at least
that now that's unusual I
suppose um I don't know it depends on
how much people
remember um most of these for most
people are
spontaneous and so um where I had to put
some effort in would be by college then
I wanted to learn how to begin to do
this at will and found that was a whole
different ball game yeah uh but was able
to accomplish that but you had strong
spiritual inclinations I think it's fair
to say as a child you you spent some
time in a monastery yes two years um
basically what would be 9th and 10th
grade M uh went to a contemplative
Monastery where we uh did very little
talking like on planks all that kind of
stuff and um taught me more about
contemplation inner inner peacefulness
and qu in the mind as well as the
spiritual part so it's quite unusual for
a high school student yeah I decided uh
even quite a few years early that's what
I wanted to do but nobody would take me
till I got to high school
level so so something was motivating you
all all the way since childhood I think
Jee Houston uses the term intell sort of
an inner Force an inner purpose I would
say in in some ways Jeff it was ET phone home
home
um and later after working with the
Institute going there first as a
participant we were talking about the
Monroe instit Monro Institute that's
when I began to go oh we could use these
high energies here and make it more
Heavenly here on Earth but initially I
wanted to kind of take off so aob body
was a natural interest now for our
viewers who are unfamiliar with the
Monroe Institute that we should mention
it was founded by Robert Monroe the
author of several classic books on outof
body experiences yes yes he wrote
Journeys out of the body as his first
one and ultimate Journeys was his last
putting together what he had learned in
decades of Auto Body travel so I think
it's a highly interesting book
philosophically as well and I it's fair
to mention that Robert Monroe was
studied science ific Al by one of my
professors at the University of
California Dr Charles tart I didn't know
that I know Charlie and he were friends
but I didn't know he had been studying I
know they did some verification where
Bob could go and uh report things at a
distance that he perceived out of body
that were then verified that's uh the
type of research that Charlie did with
him so you at a early age got involved
in a millu that involved extraordinary
States Of Consciousness combined with an
interest in scientific investigation yes I
I
um always been very curious that's you
know one of the driving forces and um my
dad particularly taught me about
discernment you know having some way to
figure out what is uh really going on
and not just wishful thinking so um I
did go as an interest after the Seminary
into Clinical Psychology and some
Eastern philosophy as uh my studies uh
and that helped me learn research design
and and things like that and learn some
of the scientific verification criteria
uh that then we could look at some of
this stuff that goes on in psychokinesis
through that lens and early on in your
work you visited the Princeton
engineering applications laboratory
where they were investigating
psychokinesis experimentally
yes I'd um worked at Monroe Institute
for a while and
um the first time I was there as a
participant somebody had a headach and I
just had this intuition if I put my hand
on their shoulder the headache would go
away so I asked permission they said yes
and headache went away but again
scientifically I don't know if they did
it I did it God did it and if it didn't
go away maybe it's not supposed to MH um
but later on helping Bob with a program
called lifespan 2000 they were
developing at that time we had a night
that we called gaming night mhm and part
of that was to have a dice game going
simple game try to roll sevens and I
found my hands getting warm um I felt
very connected to the Earth also very
connected to highest of spirit quite an
altered state of consciousness and in
that state I found I could roll what I
wanted on the dice mhm and uh in fact um
I don't claim any specialness
other people in the group as they saw
that were able to also participate in that
that
energy um but that really got my
attention because dice can be studied
scientifically we know the probabilities
uh on a six-sided di when hard two sixes
should come up whatever it is yeah JB Ry
in the 1930s at Duke University did I
suppose the first
psychoes Kinesis experiments using dice
mhm yeah he goes away back yeah so
there's a tradition you're following yes
so actually Jeff at the beginning I
purposely didn't read anything and look
at what other people did I wanted to go
on my own individual exploration but I
did get invited to Princeton anomalous
engineering research lab and they had
several psychokinesis experiments set up
for me to play with and they made me
aware of the huge body of literature
that they have they did mostly micro
psychokinesis things like random number
generators micro meaning affecting
things like radioactive decay and
subatomic systems that are known to be
highly uh random in fact perfectly
random mhm so it's like a um head tail
coin flip a thousand times a second if
it was a true coin it should come out
50% heads 50% Tails so that is the basis
of many of their experiments though they
would put feedback in very interesting
ways yeah um so I participated in
several of their uh experiments and also
saw some of their summary data I think
they did one experiment with 12 A2
million trials and got significance well
above chance um the one I like the best
they had a height of a fountain bubbles
by random hydrodynamic law M keeps
changing height so they said Joe leave
it alone for 15 minutes as control
and then somehow make it go low for 15
and then High column for 15 so I use
some of the meditative techniques that
I'd learned at Monroe most people know
about an
aura uh at Monroe we strengthen that we
call it a resonant energy balloon of
energy around you oh okay so mentally I
put that around the column of water mhm
and uh for the high condition and then
another way we use energy is to imagine
kind of like like the Star Wars saber
sword of energy Magic Wand uh kind of
thing that is very useful in meditation
you can make it into a fishing line and
send out a question reel in the answer
you know it's an imagination device yeah
in other words you're using
visualization to assist in psychokinesis
yes so there I imagine that sword
slicing the water so it kept check you
know slicing the column for the low
condition and I got very high level of
significance uh low to high and so I
left the lab after 3 days there or
so with psychokinesis being unnown to me
uh from their large data samples as well
as knowing I could do it and I might
just mentioned for our viewers that I
happened to check with Roger Nelson one
of the researchers who remembered
working with you and and confirmed for
me that you had been there and had had
done well in their experiments great
great yeah n and they don't certify
people's psychic and I'm not using them
to do that yeah but uh more the boy that
piqued my interest mhm and so I wanted
to get a black belt in PK I really
wanted to delve deep in here and uh
Princeton was not set up to do that
they're an experimental place so I
really looked hard and thought hard how
can I practice this and get that type of
feedback to know I'm not kidding myself
MH and uh that took me to my next part
of the journey which was going to l
Vegas Yes mhm yes where we are recording
this interview yes we are right now I
think of Las Vegas as potentially the
paraschak it a step further and have
endeavored to take advantage of that yes
it's been um a wonderful place to explore
explore
because the state certification process
and things makes sure that the games are
dead honest m
uh and the casinos want that too or else
if the reputation got out that they
weren't uh statistically Fair um they'd
be out of business sure so I could rely
on that and not have to have the
hundreds of thousands of dollars of
equipment to make sure all that's on the
up and up and just begin to practice and
play since I had experienced di at mon
Mor Institute as I mentioned it was kind
of natural for me to come here and use
their game of dice called craps as my
psycho laboratory now I might mention um
that I know you were married at the time
and you really needed to get your wife's
permission to uh Embark upon this sort
of Adventure yes she um both time away
from home I had an active Clinical
Psychology practice MH um and uh so I'd
come out maybe once every 68 weeks MH uh
and also
financially um we had a budget we as
long as I stayed in so my uh PK is
results driven mhm my main uh motivation
was not to lose my Nest Egg because then
I couldn't come anymore so I wasn't
trying to kill them or make it real rich
but I wanted to continue to have my
research fund intact if you will MH uh
and this was about 30 years
ago uh I'm going to take your word for
it my math probably so because uh to me
it seems like maybe 15
my wife always goes you know we're doing
a workshop but I thought we've been
doing it for about 10 years she says no
we've been doing it 17 so I bet your 30
is correct okay many years ago many
years and you you came by yourself yes
so I'd come out and
um go into meditative States learn my
energy preparation uh work and I kept
the log MH of what tended to work and
what didn't things as simple as I was
coming from the East Coast the first
night there and the first day we were
not good days to do this because I was
tired you needed to recover from the
travel yes uh so initially it would take
me maybe 4 days of building energy to
get to the place where this effect was
very strong now when you say building
energy describe that
process most people are aware of
chanting opening the throat chakra going
oh uh uh I would do that for a half hour
an hour and within that often if there
was anything emotionally that needed to
be cleared like my dog had died two or
three months before MH uh that emotion
might come up get that cleared out have
the intention to bring in the word
energy abstract uh so I might say on one
day I'm inhaling unlimited Joy or
compassion for all beings or even the
color red for strength something
tangible that made the energy uh
uh seemed to be building um and then I
would feel like I was charging myself a
little bit like a battery mhm I
mentioned dice as the first thing but I
remember the first trip out I had a goal
of rolling 33 equals 6 yes they call out
hard six in the game mhm and that's uh
36 to1 by chance and in general sixes um
come up other ways too 42 24 but not not
too often and for about 2 hours I rolled
about 40% sixes mhm which uh impressed
the table impressed me and the
interesting thing is though then I sat
down right after that to relax and
frankly have a cigarette had a slot
machine MH and the firsthand what do you
think it was four sixes oh in other
words you it's like you're building up
an energy field that transferred from
one game to the next and the intention
for sixes MH um the
the energy building is maybe the more
enduring thing the intention can flick
at a moment's notice so with those four
sixes when I got that my spontaneous
next thought was oh I'm a great king of
light next hand was Four Kings and then
I got Kings and sixes for about a half
hour until I could feel the energy kind
of dissipating so that um also pointed
to um slot machines might be receptive
to this PK energy or psychic nesis and
in fact they do have a pseudo random
number generator in them much like the
Princeton experiments use a random
generator well the difference between
pseudo random and true random is is
pretty important because to my
understanding a pseudo random generator
is purely mechanical it doesn't it's not
volatile the way uh a radioactive decay
would be I would think pseudo random is
less amenable to
psychokinesis we might think that
um so just for clarity in a regular
random number generator they're using
something like Atomic uncertainty to
decide one or zero MH in a pseudo one
they will put out a chain almost an
infinite long of numbers an algorithm Al
right they will develop and spout the
numbers randomly uh but much in PK Jeff
for me is unexpected yeah um the uh and
so maybe it was good that I didn't even
pay much attention to that uh but I
found that they were the pseudo random
number generators in slot machines were
receptive work just as well for you yes
mhm um and uh because it does seem I
that PK is which is an abbreviation for
psychokinesis is goal oriented it's what
you want to accomplish and somehow it
figures out how to get there without you
having to think through all the details
definitely uh your conscious mind will
never figure out how to get these dice
to Tumble and end up in a certain
position uh or how to affect a random
number generator that most people
couldn't even visualize what the inside
of that looked like M um if you think of
say the woman who comes out and sees
that their child is under a car and
lifts the car instantly yeah they don't
spend seconds even figuring out how to
do that right or even if it was possible
it just needs to be MH and that's where
I see I think you see the strongest PK
um is when it feels uh it's survival
programing us uh when it's essential
when it's need based yeah but then you
can train that to a
consistency um and um many different
needs will work people um in my
workshops will probably talk about later
but they might come saying I'm going to
roll dice and everything I win goes to
American Cancer Society for charity
that's a goal mhm and they often do
quite well mhm and it's a goal that's
not egotistical and later on maybe we'll
get into that that's highly important
well I would think once you first
arrived at Las Vegas and discovered that
you were rolling the dice quite well uh
it might go to your ego and uh what do
they say Pride goe withth before the
fall yes mhm
um it it is a very ecstatic State yeah
and ecstatic means out of self MH okay
so that's a little bit um the ego would
come in earlier about fear about um can
I will I be able to do it again and
replicate it what will people think in
fact I had more trouble when like the
casino eventually when I'd come in the
cruise would say oh here comes Mr Lucky
everybody bet big and I would just
inside go I'm not lucky I felt it was uh
something a little different and there's
a tape from childhood about being lucky
uh I was the youngest boy things were a
little more financially better in the
family um my folks had mellowed out the
rules were slacker than my older
brothers so they just said you're the
lucky one and I'd go I'm not lucky so I
had to overcome the limits of ego rather
than getting too grandiose I guess for
me but people when they begin to um
attempt psychokinesis are going to run
up against inner programming whatever it
may be sure I I felt like it was almost
um as I'd approached this there'd be
this manye haded Dragon mhm breathing
fire out of all these mouths and and
each dragon head was a fear it could be um
um
uh we're not supposed to have this much
power you know uh could be uh what have
you and uh for a while it was like
putting out brush fires every you know I
would imagine your Catholic background
might I've had I mean many people
associate psychokinesis with witchcraft
the work of the devil they can um I
always felt differently about that felt
the Bible kind of said you will do what
I do and even more you know kind of and
I had focused on the healing things but
still there was there was plenty of uh
issues about money and pres uh
performance and things and so here I'm
putting on all these brush fires and
then I finally realized oh you know much
like you hear music on a loot or
somebody singing could put a dragon to
sleep yes if I went into a loving space
in my heart all that stuff settled down
went to sleep so I didn't have to fight
them individually each time so that's
where this idea using a very high energy
of Love Came in it gets you out of ego
MH and um and it was very effective at
getting to the place where you could
perform instead of four days of struggle
to get there now maybe a few hours mhm
and you found Las Vegas to be a
conducive environment for cultivating
heart energy sense of
love if you work at it you know again
one of the things in Vegas most people
have been here may know that casino is
very jangly yeah but the rooms are often
ultra quiet it's a place to rest so in
that quiet was a good place to meditate
I'd often be in a suite overlooking the
beautiful mountains around here watching
the sunrise or Set uh so I could use
some of the beauty of Nature and the
quiet of the the suite to be able to uh
move into a um a deeper state of
awareness and and I gather you kept
coming to Las Vegas for several years
before you felt ready to train other
people yes about 5 years MH uh initially
it was emotionally up and down it was
such an ecstatic experience and then I
leave and go back to regular life and I
think I blew a lot of my dopamine
centers in the brain um now what do you
mean by that that there's a little bit
of uh research showing that deeps
intensives Altered States will uh the
dopamine fire system fires very strongly
and so it might need some time to reset
M uh so it was a little bit up and down
and then beginning to integrate the two
energies of regular life plus
psychokinetic life if you being being a
clinical psychologist back in North
Carolina as opposed to being a a gambler
in Las Vegas yes yeah and uh um but as
as that all settled down I was seeing it
be so highly positive to my own ability
to heal myself from a cat scratch minor
things to Major and um and
manifestations in my life began to have
a lot more synchronicity serendpity to
them they flowed in uh really miraculous
ways and so began to wonder this might
be interesting to teach to others yeah
and first took one or two students out
individually M and found I was able to
do it and then began to bring groups and
in fact yesterday I just finished my
76th group M uh out here where we have a
group of uh 16 plus my wife and I as
trainers uh go to the dice tables and
practice this well we have just about a
minute left in this segment but in part
two of our three-part series we'll focus
in on how you work with groups in in Las
Vegas but um before we close the segment
I think it might be useful to mention
that you're write about how you dealt
with severe depression yes my whole
family had depression and most members
my brother in fact Peter committed
suicide in Las Vegas in I think 91
something like that and um he was a big
motivator of this whole thing because I
wondered how could a good man who works
hard and is honest and all that not do
well in life and so I wanted to look at
manifesting what's involved to create a
good life and that dovetailed with the
psychokinesis work so there's a sense in
in which learning how to use
psychokinesis learning how to manifest
was your way of overcoming depression
mhm um the depression began to lift with
the Monroe meditating I'd been doing
yeah um and but it really evaporated as
as I made it my goal to be living in
high energy Dr Joe Ellenberger it's been
a pleasure sharing this half hour with
you thank you so much for being with me
I've sure enjoyed it Jeff and look
forward to our next segment and thank
you for being with us be sure to check
your listings for part two of our
three-part series on cultivating psychokinesis
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