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mishlove hello and welcome I'm Jeffrey

mishlove this is part one of our

three-part series on cultivating psycho

with me is Dr Joseph gallenberger who is

author of inner Vegas creating Miracles

abundance and health and also liquid

luck The Good Fortune

handbook he is in addition a senior

trainer at the Monroe Institute near

Charlottesville Virginia it's a pleasure

to be with you you pleasure as well

you've been working as a trainer of

psychokinesis for over three decades now

yes I guess I have I wasn't uh formally

attempting to do that but it has ended

up uh a good bit of my life path to help

uh folks learn what I think is a natural

ability for all of us to be able to do

psychokinesis and to me that's exciting

because it relates to energy healing and

manifesting which is also useful in life

mhm traditionally psychokinesis has

thought of as mind over matter the

ability of human Consciousness to

directly affect the physical world not

mediated by any conventional means like

our muscles mhm and I modify that a

little bit yes I look at the Mind might

be like the steering wheel of a car it

focuses our intent for the direction we

want to go but there you don't go

anywhere without gas and in

psychokinesis you need very high energy

for it to be a more consistent reliable

effect and so use the energy of an open

heart or the energy of love very

positive energies as uh there so I would

a affecting matter with our energy

directed by our mind yeah well let's

let's talk about how you began this work

I know for you as a child you

experienced out of- body

experiences yes I had some um Oneness

experiences a point of Consciousness uh

um as a young child mhm and I was being

raised Catholic so I began to read the

Christian Mystic kind of literature on

that mhm and also had that experience uh

I can remember at a time when I'd ride

my bike a lot as I went to sleep I'd

imagine riding my bike down a hill the

handlebars would separate and begin to

fly with me on them and then I'd let go

of the handlebars and go U about the

line line of the out uh utility lines

and go visit friends see what they were

doing unfortunately usually they were

asleep but that

day uh but it it gave me some U

long-term interest in out of body as a

way to explore Consciousness flying

dreams as as a child and I think you

write that you had maybe a hundred out

of- body experiences guess yeah at least

that now that's unusual I

suppose um I don't know it depends on

how much people

remember um most of these for most

people are

spontaneous and so um where I had to put

some effort in would be by college then

I wanted to learn how to begin to do

this at will and found that was a whole

different ball game yeah uh but was able

to accomplish that but you had strong

spiritual inclinations I think it's fair

to say as a child you you spent some

time in a monastery yes two years um

basically what would be 9th and 10th

grade M uh went to a contemplative

Monastery where we uh did very little

talking like on planks all that kind of

stuff and um taught me more about

contemplation inner inner peacefulness

and qu in the mind as well as the

spiritual part so it's quite unusual for

a high school student yeah I decided uh

even quite a few years early that's what

I wanted to do but nobody would take me

till I got to high school

level so so something was motivating you

all all the way since childhood I think

Jee Houston uses the term intell sort of

an inner Force an inner purpose I would

say in in some ways Jeff it was ET phone home

home

um and later after working with the

Institute going there first as a

participant we were talking about the

Monroe instit Monro Institute that's

when I began to go oh we could use these

high energies here and make it more

Heavenly here on Earth but initially I

wanted to kind of take off so aob body

was a natural interest now for our

viewers who are unfamiliar with the

Monroe Institute that we should mention

it was founded by Robert Monroe the

author of several classic books on outof

body experiences yes yes he wrote

Journeys out of the body as his first

one and ultimate Journeys was his last

putting together what he had learned in

decades of Auto Body travel so I think

it's a highly interesting book

philosophically as well and I it's fair

to mention that Robert Monroe was

studied science ific Al by one of my

professors at the University of

California Dr Charles tart I didn't know

that I know Charlie and he were friends

but I didn't know he had been studying I

know they did some verification where

Bob could go and uh report things at a

distance that he perceived out of body

that were then verified that's uh the

type of research that Charlie did with

him so you at a early age got involved

in a millu that involved extraordinary

States Of Consciousness combined with an

interest in scientific investigation yes I

um always been very curious that's you

know one of the driving forces and um my

dad particularly taught me about

discernment you know having some way to

figure out what is uh really going on

and not just wishful thinking so um I

did go as an interest after the Seminary

into Clinical Psychology and some

Eastern philosophy as uh my studies uh

and that helped me learn research design

and and things like that and learn some

of the scientific verification criteria

uh that then we could look at some of

this stuff that goes on in psychokinesis

through that lens and early on in your

work you visited the Princeton

engineering applications laboratory

where they were investigating

psychokinesis experimentally

yes I'd um worked at Monroe Institute

for a while and

um the first time I was there as a

participant somebody had a headach and I

just had this intuition if I put my hand

on their shoulder the headache would go

away so I asked permission they said yes

and headache went away but again

scientifically I don't know if they did

it I did it God did it and if it didn't

go away maybe it's not supposed to MH um

but later on helping Bob with a program

called lifespan 2000 they were

developing at that time we had a night

that we called gaming night mhm and part

of that was to have a dice game going

simple game try to roll sevens and I

found my hands getting warm um I felt

very connected to the Earth also very

connected to highest of spirit quite an

altered state of consciousness and in

that state I found I could roll what I

wanted on the dice mhm and uh in fact um

I don't claim any specialness

other people in the group as they saw

that were able to also participate in that

that

energy um but that really got my

attention because dice can be studied

scientifically we know the probabilities

uh on a six-sided di when hard two sixes

should come up whatever it is yeah JB Ry

in the 1930s at Duke University did I

suppose the first

psychoes Kinesis experiments using dice

mhm yeah he goes away back yeah so

there's a tradition you're following yes

so actually Jeff at the beginning I

purposely didn't read anything and look

at what other people did I wanted to go

on my own individual exploration but I

did get invited to Princeton anomalous

engineering research lab and they had

several psychokinesis experiments set up

for me to play with and they made me

aware of the huge body of literature

that they have they did mostly micro

psychokinesis things like random number

generators micro meaning affecting

things like radioactive decay and

subatomic systems that are known to be

highly uh random in fact perfectly

random mhm so it's like a um head tail

coin flip a thousand times a second if

it was a true coin it should come out

50% heads 50% Tails so that is the basis

of many of their experiments though they

would put feedback in very interesting

ways yeah um so I participated in

several of their uh experiments and also

saw some of their summary data I think

they did one experiment with 12 A2

million trials and got significance well

above chance um the one I like the best

they had a height of a fountain bubbles

by random hydrodynamic law M keeps

changing height so they said Joe leave

it alone for 15 minutes as control

and then somehow make it go low for 15

and then High column for 15 so I use

some of the meditative techniques that

I'd learned at Monroe most people know

about an

aura uh at Monroe we strengthen that we

call it a resonant energy balloon of

energy around you oh okay so mentally I

put that around the column of water mhm

and uh for the high condition and then

another way we use energy is to imagine

kind of like like the Star Wars saber

sword of energy Magic Wand uh kind of

thing that is very useful in meditation

you can make it into a fishing line and

send out a question reel in the answer

you know it's an imagination device yeah

in other words you're using

visualization to assist in psychokinesis

yes so there I imagine that sword

slicing the water so it kept check you

know slicing the column for the low

condition and I got very high level of

significance uh low to high and so I

left the lab after 3 days there or

so with psychokinesis being unnown to me

uh from their large data samples as well

as knowing I could do it and I might

just mentioned for our viewers that I

happened to check with Roger Nelson one

of the researchers who remembered

working with you and and confirmed for

me that you had been there and had had

done well in their experiments great

great yeah n and they don't certify

people's psychic and I'm not using them

to do that yeah but uh more the boy that

piqued my interest mhm and so I wanted

to get a black belt in PK I really

wanted to delve deep in here and uh

Princeton was not set up to do that

they're an experimental place so I

really looked hard and thought hard how

can I practice this and get that type of

feedback to know I'm not kidding myself

MH and uh that took me to my next part

of the journey which was going to l

Vegas Yes mhm yes where we are recording

this interview yes we are right now I

think of Las Vegas as potentially the

paraschak it a step further and have

endeavored to take advantage of that yes

it's been um a wonderful place to explore

explore

because the state certification process

and things makes sure that the games are

dead honest m

uh and the casinos want that too or else

if the reputation got out that they

weren't uh statistically Fair um they'd

be out of business sure so I could rely

on that and not have to have the

hundreds of thousands of dollars of

equipment to make sure all that's on the

up and up and just begin to practice and

play since I had experienced di at mon

Mor Institute as I mentioned it was kind

of natural for me to come here and use

their game of dice called craps as my

psycho laboratory now I might mention um

that I know you were married at the time

and you really needed to get your wife's

permission to uh Embark upon this sort

of Adventure yes she um both time away

from home I had an active Clinical

Psychology practice MH um and uh so I'd

come out maybe once every 68 weeks MH uh

and also

financially um we had a budget we as

long as I stayed in so my uh PK is

results driven mhm my main uh motivation

was not to lose my Nest Egg because then

I couldn't come anymore so I wasn't

trying to kill them or make it real rich

but I wanted to continue to have my

research fund intact if you will MH uh

and this was about 30 years

ago uh I'm going to take your word for

it my math probably so because uh to me

it seems like maybe 15

my wife always goes you know we're doing

a workshop but I thought we've been

doing it for about 10 years she says no

we've been doing it 17 so I bet your 30

is correct okay many years ago many

years and you you came by yourself yes

so I'd come out and

um go into meditative States learn my

energy preparation uh work and I kept

the log MH of what tended to work and

what didn't things as simple as I was

coming from the East Coast the first

night there and the first day we were

not good days to do this because I was

tired you needed to recover from the

travel yes uh so initially it would take

me maybe 4 days of building energy to

get to the place where this effect was

very strong now when you say building

energy describe that

process most people are aware of

chanting opening the throat chakra going

oh uh uh I would do that for a half hour

an hour and within that often if there

was anything emotionally that needed to

be cleared like my dog had died two or

three months before MH uh that emotion

might come up get that cleared out have

the intention to bring in the word

energy abstract uh so I might say on one

day I'm inhaling unlimited Joy or

compassion for all beings or even the

color red for strength something

tangible that made the energy uh

uh seemed to be building um and then I

would feel like I was charging myself a

little bit like a battery mhm I

mentioned dice as the first thing but I

remember the first trip out I had a goal

of rolling 33 equals 6 yes they call out

hard six in the game mhm and that's uh

36 to1 by chance and in general sixes um

come up other ways too 42 24 but not not

too often and for about 2 hours I rolled

about 40% sixes mhm which uh impressed

the table impressed me and the

interesting thing is though then I sat

down right after that to relax and

frankly have a cigarette had a slot

machine MH and the firsthand what do you

think it was four sixes oh in other

words you it's like you're building up

an energy field that transferred from

one game to the next and the intention

for sixes MH um the

the energy building is maybe the more

enduring thing the intention can flick

at a moment's notice so with those four

sixes when I got that my spontaneous

next thought was oh I'm a great king of

light next hand was Four Kings and then

I got Kings and sixes for about a half

hour until I could feel the energy kind

of dissipating so that um also pointed

to um slot machines might be receptive

to this PK energy or psychic nesis and

in fact they do have a pseudo random

number generator in them much like the

Princeton experiments use a random

generator well the difference between

pseudo random and true random is is

pretty important because to my

understanding a pseudo random generator

is purely mechanical it doesn't it's not

volatile the way uh a radioactive decay

would be I would think pseudo random is

less amenable to

psychokinesis we might think that

um so just for clarity in a regular

random number generator they're using

something like Atomic uncertainty to

decide one or zero MH in a pseudo one

they will put out a chain almost an

infinite long of numbers an algorithm Al

right they will develop and spout the

numbers randomly uh but much in PK Jeff

for me is unexpected yeah um the uh and

so maybe it was good that I didn't even

pay much attention to that uh but I

found that they were the pseudo random

number generators in slot machines were

receptive work just as well for you yes

mhm um and uh because it does seem I

that PK is which is an abbreviation for

psychokinesis is goal oriented it's what

you want to accomplish and somehow it

figures out how to get there without you

having to think through all the details

definitely uh your conscious mind will

never figure out how to get these dice

to Tumble and end up in a certain

position uh or how to affect a random

number generator that most people

couldn't even visualize what the inside

of that looked like M um if you think of

say the woman who comes out and sees

that their child is under a car and

lifts the car instantly yeah they don't

spend seconds even figuring out how to

do that right or even if it was possible

it just needs to be MH and that's where

I see I think you see the strongest PK

um is when it feels uh it's survival

programing us uh when it's essential

when it's need based yeah but then you

can train that to a

consistency um and um many different

needs will work people um in my

workshops will probably talk about later

but they might come saying I'm going to

roll dice and everything I win goes to

American Cancer Society for charity

that's a goal mhm and they often do

quite well mhm and it's a goal that's

not egotistical and later on maybe we'll

get into that that's highly important

well I would think once you first

arrived at Las Vegas and discovered that

you were rolling the dice quite well uh

it might go to your ego and uh what do

they say Pride goe withth before the

fall yes mhm

um it it is a very ecstatic State yeah

and ecstatic means out of self MH okay

so that's a little bit um the ego would

come in earlier about fear about um can

I will I be able to do it again and

replicate it what will people think in

fact I had more trouble when like the

casino eventually when I'd come in the

cruise would say oh here comes Mr Lucky

everybody bet big and I would just

inside go I'm not lucky I felt it was uh

something a little different and there's

a tape from childhood about being lucky

uh I was the youngest boy things were a

little more financially better in the

family um my folks had mellowed out the

rules were slacker than my older

brothers so they just said you're the

lucky one and I'd go I'm not lucky so I

had to overcome the limits of ego rather

than getting too grandiose I guess for

me but people when they begin to um

attempt psychokinesis are going to run

up against inner programming whatever it

may be sure I I felt like it was almost

um as I'd approached this there'd be

this manye haded Dragon mhm breathing

fire out of all these mouths and and

each dragon head was a fear it could be um

uh we're not supposed to have this much

power you know uh could be uh what have

you and uh for a while it was like

putting out brush fires every you know I

would imagine your Catholic background

might I've had I mean many people

associate psychokinesis with witchcraft

the work of the devil they can um I

always felt differently about that felt

the Bible kind of said you will do what

I do and even more you know kind of and

I had focused on the healing things but

still there was there was plenty of uh

issues about money and pres uh

performance and things and so here I'm

putting on all these brush fires and

then I finally realized oh you know much

like you hear music on a loot or

somebody singing could put a dragon to

sleep yes if I went into a loving space

in my heart all that stuff settled down

went to sleep so I didn't have to fight

them individually each time so that's

where this idea using a very high energy

of Love Came in it gets you out of ego

MH and um and it was very effective at

getting to the place where you could

perform instead of four days of struggle

to get there now maybe a few hours mhm

and you found Las Vegas to be a

conducive environment for cultivating

heart energy sense of

love if you work at it you know again

one of the things in Vegas most people

have been here may know that casino is

very jangly yeah but the rooms are often

ultra quiet it's a place to rest so in

that quiet was a good place to meditate

I'd often be in a suite overlooking the

beautiful mountains around here watching

the sunrise or Set uh so I could use

some of the beauty of Nature and the

quiet of the the suite to be able to uh

move into a um a deeper state of

awareness and and I gather you kept

coming to Las Vegas for several years

before you felt ready to train other

people yes about 5 years MH uh initially

it was emotionally up and down it was

such an ecstatic experience and then I

leave and go back to regular life and I

think I blew a lot of my dopamine

centers in the brain um now what do you

mean by that that there's a little bit

of uh research showing that deeps

intensives Altered States will uh the

dopamine fire system fires very strongly

and so it might need some time to reset

M uh so it was a little bit up and down

and then beginning to integrate the two

energies of regular life plus

psychokinetic life if you being being a

clinical psychologist back in North

Carolina as opposed to being a a gambler

in Las Vegas yes yeah and uh um but as

as that all settled down I was seeing it

be so highly positive to my own ability

to heal myself from a cat scratch minor

things to Major and um and

manifestations in my life began to have

a lot more synchronicity serendpity to

them they flowed in uh really miraculous

ways and so began to wonder this might

be interesting to teach to others yeah

and first took one or two students out

individually M and found I was able to

do it and then began to bring groups and

in fact yesterday I just finished my

76th group M uh out here where we have a

group of uh 16 plus my wife and I as

trainers uh go to the dice tables and

practice this well we have just about a

minute left in this segment but in part

two of our three-part series we'll focus

in on how you work with groups in in Las

Vegas but um before we close the segment

I think it might be useful to mention

that you're write about how you dealt

with severe depression yes my whole

family had depression and most members

my brother in fact Peter committed

suicide in Las Vegas in I think 91

something like that and um he was a big

motivator of this whole thing because I

wondered how could a good man who works

hard and is honest and all that not do

well in life and so I wanted to look at

manifesting what's involved to create a

good life and that dovetailed with the

psychokinesis work so there's a sense in

in which learning how to use

psychokinesis learning how to manifest

was your way of overcoming depression

mhm um the depression began to lift with

the Monroe meditating I'd been doing

yeah um and but it really evaporated as

as I made it my goal to be living in

high energy Dr Joe Ellenberger it's been

a pleasure sharing this half hour with

you thank you so much for being with me

I've sure enjoyed it Jeff and look

forward to our next segment and thank

you for being with us be sure to check

your listings for part two of our

three-part series on cultivating psychokinesis

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