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Trump & Kamala vs. the Poor, Spiritual but NOT religious & Pastors in crisis | FUNKY FRIDAY | Cam Newton | YouTubeToText
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I'm not going to put you through I
understand you had another brand sitting
in this chair Lord J that's not
me president Trump is a championing for
the wealthy KLA Harris is championing
for middle class Democrats nor
Republican have rolled out an agenda for
the poor now I don't know what we look
for the church fund do you blame people
for not going to church no I understand
it that skirt got to come past that knee
that toe got to be close on that shoe
the earring cannot be dangled right now
you right now could not walk in the
average Apostolic Church yes sir I had a
conversation with my mom just saying
like you ever been to Magic City they
got good
food so if somebody who worked at Magic
City if they give you a donation are you
going to take that donation church
people can be the most judgmental
because they don't look like church that
mean that church is not in them people
who sing the lyrics but don't know the
karaoke they have this saying now I'm
more spiritual than I am religious what
does that mean nothing it means
absolutely nothing you got to be mindful
that Jesus preached to thousands but he
only P 12 when you got $32 million in
debt that Friendship Circle shrinks in
but when you dealing with different
stuff at a different oxygen level most
of the people you grew up with will have
asthma what's the biggest misconception
about you people saw me grow up and then
they saw me go through a divorce saw me
live through infidelity child out of wet
L the way that God has wired my life is
my failures are always the same size of
My Success the reality is where they
like it or not Jesus is black but how
how you how you figure Jesus black he
got hair like Lamb's wool skin like
bronze the lead robbers in America or
white men the large amount of racist are
white men the highest number of domestic
abusers is white men but if you ask the
average American who are the proponents
of crime is a black face to it I says
the system ain't broken it was built
that way the terrible thing about
becoming famous is you can't become
unfamous you only become infamous why is
that our public leaders in Ministry
Eddie Long TD Jakes The speculations and
the tribulations of just the looming of
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it would be Cam Newton is here and I'm
Cam Newton son Mr Boogie all here with
another episode of funky Friday and I
promise I really do promise get a good
content for the masses but most of all
promise to Keep It
Funky for a word that I can't say
besides hallelujah
hallelujah my next guest yes yes yes is
a Visionary Pastor an advocate yes a
speaker say more a author come on
community leader is that all you got a father
father
yes senior pastor at New Birth Ministry
Baptist Church I present the song and
introduce to others Pastor Jamal Bryan
thank you sir it's a pleasure how we
doing I'm glad to be with you oh man I
can say the same it's going to be good
I'm buckled up yeah just unbuckle one of
them a little bit cuz we need to hang
out the window real quick you know what
I'm saying just to get people prepared
because I think this is extremely
important this talk uh this thought this
type of discussion this type of dialogue
and as I was saying to you uh off camera
is I come from church so therefore I've
always wanted to have questions with
people in Ministry to
just have more insight yeah you know
what I'm saying I I always say I know
right from wrong I just don't always do
right yeah you know but prior to when we
got a whole slate of questions that I have
have
um I want to know first off where are
you from I'm from Cambridge
Massachusetts but I grew up in Baltimore
okay and uh came here for
morehous and uh left for 20 years and I
came back uh to be the pastor of New
Birth okay yeah did you grow up in
church yeah my dad is a retired Bishop
my grandfather's a retired Bishop my
great-grandfather was a Baptist preacher
so I'm I'm from a long line of a long
line of yeah of of of pastors prophets
all of
it God Whispers
yeah and at what age did you
know this is the direction that I want
to do I've always knew but I am
everything you have heard about a
preacher's kid I am that yes Lord so I
afforded Kicking and Screaming so at
morous I was a uh political science
major International Studies I went to
Duke thinking I was going to law school
and uh you know your teacher always
tells you you're going to need math I
didn't believe them until I sat in real
estate math and uh I couldn't figure out
nothing in that contract but my
commission yes sir so I walked out and
went to Seminary across the street
perfect yeah now even with with that growing
growing
up who is the most I want to say most
but who is the in influential figure in
just who called you to turn your life
over but also the person to direct you
to let you know it's more to being a
pastor or a leader in a church yeah than
just collecting money yeah or as we call
offering and just delivering a message
yeah John Maxwell has a book called
Talent is not enough M and uh my dad is
a man of character okay uh I've never
heard him curse I've never seen him my
mother argue they've been married for 55
years uh and so I tell people everything
I've done right in life I learned from
him everything I've done wrong I learned
on my own uh but he is uh forget a
preacher forget a being a bishop my dad
is a
Christian uh and for that reason I I
really admire him look up to him yes sir
uh any siblings I have one sister uh she
is a president of the American
Psychological Association okay she's a
professor at pepine University okay uh
she's young in Charlotte no no in La no
La I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm thinking
about uh another scho yes sir
P yeah she's a younger than me but way
smarter than me yes sir yeah she's brilliant
brilliant
now at that at that realm um my father's
a preacher as well too um and it's crazy
cuz growing up in in in church there are
certain jokes there are certain you know
sarcastic slogans and talk and forms of
satire that we may not have went to the
same church but but we know yeah you
know certain Melodies absolutely certain
you know just things and that's what I
always respect and and hear people's
stories but also understand just we
ain't too far you know what I'm saying
absolutely um now throughout your whole
journey into who you
are uh
today how have you or do you understand
the difference or is there a saying let
me just say it like this is there
a any facts to new church and old church
absolutely okay um tell me the name of
the church you grew up in holy Zion
Center of deliver okay you saw people in
town while you growing up hey I go to
Holy Zion yes sir this generation
doesn't identify the name of the church
they identify the name of the pastor
wow and I think people are wedded to the
individual more than they are the
institution oh wow which is very
dangerous um because it puts the pastor
in a pedestal that quite frankly we
don't belong on correct uh and so I
think that we've got to go back to a
focusing on what is the church church
had a sense of community had a sense of
family uh a sense of relatability so the
old church we called each other brother
so and so sister so and so correct the
new church we [Music]
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networking we giving out CS deal
together uh but it doesn't have that
same sense of family right I as you talk
about the whole evolution of church
church used to be a way to trade in
regards to if you did this I'm talking
back in the 40s 50s you know if you had
a a farm of goat or you had a a form of
crop or whatever you know what I'm
saying it was a interchange we also seen
Church be a place where uh you can
settle civil differences in regards to
what the community is actually right
going through
yeah um also we looked at the church or
the church's leader as the person who
speak for the people almost like a mayor
yeah you know what I'm saying yeah and
now I don't know what we look for the
church for cuz there's different
versions it's different blends it's
different all types of different stuff
but the state of the church for you
right now outside of you know this
example that you you given where is that
and how do you identify it as it's a
critical moment this is the
largest demographic of black people it's
the largest demographic of black people
since we've been in America who don't go
to church it's the largest swath of
black people who say they believe in God
but don't get with church and so I think
the church is going through puberty has
got to find its voice it's got to figure
out where are we relevant where is uh
the black church on
Palestine uh where is the black church
on uh mental health uh where is the
black church on same-sex marriage uh and
the black church has become muted on vo
on issues that matter to this generation
MH so you you ain't going to say nothing
right about nothing M you can't just
tell people go vote and you ain't
telling them why the white Evangelical
Church has taught the black church a
lesson we have learned white Evangelical
Church said
hey Trump get rid of Ro versus Wade and
get rid of same-sex marriage and we with
you m we don't care how many lawsuits we
don't care what it is that you do we
don't care if you groping somebody
staying 10 toes down on our issues and
we we there right you got to ask black
people if KLA Harris gets elected Donald
Trump gets elected we walk in there what
is our ask power concedes nothing
without a
demand why is it that every other group
can get reparations but black people and
why aren't we holding anybody
accountable to get it what's the demand
that the most Progressive black man for
Atlanta was Maya Jackson who made up in
his mind that no real business will be
done without black people being at the
table now we like looking successful and
not really being successful and so I
think that the church has got to figure
out what do we do to reposition ourself
on the board and play chess in our
Checkers but do you blame people
for not going to church no I understand
it okay but but and the the flip side of
it cam the flip side of it is black
people are not going to church but they
are watching
online so since the pandemic
viewership of faith-based organizations
has doubled so they don't want to get
caught in the trappings of y'all don't
want me here cuz I got a tattoo cuz I
got pearcing in the churches we grew up
in that skirt got to come past that knee
that toe got to be close on that shoe
the earring cannot be dangled M right
now you right now could not walk in the
average Apostolic Church yes sir cuz
they G to fight you at the door drum
roll over a hat yes sir you got you got
to figure it out what the yes so what
what's the real thing I remember when I
was passion in
Baltimore big drug dealer died got
killed and they had the funeral at my
church church is packed in
jammed and there's an altercation at the
door I get out of the pull pit walk to
the door cuz I'm thinking two different
factions getting ready go at it
correct cam the faction at the doors my
ushers is trying to fight Negroes cuz
they won't take off baseball hats and
sunglasses I said are you crazy this may
be the only time I can get them to
church and you fighting over a raven's hat
hat
their life is on the line their soul is
at stake and so we got to
recalibrate what is really important and
what do really have value so with that particular
particular
Point um I had this interesting
conversation with my mother and all my
mother know is church yeah right God has
blessed me to have two Earthly angels
that I know are pure
and one of them is my grandmother yeah
Hade Lou Newton and the other one is my
mother when I mean pure I mean don't
even know that what an inside of a club
look like wow she know Hallelujah Night
oh yeah but she don't know nah yeah and
she has this uh platform that she
uses to bring women to Christ it's
called made and it's an acronym for
mothers and daughters
empowering right and the emphasis uh the
emphasis is the mothers empowering the
daughters but also the daughters are
empowering the mothers I love it and
with that I had a conversation with my
mom just saying
like M you ever been to Magic
City just to see like I I just really
wanted to know no right she said uhuh
son like what's that they got good food
said I heard they got some good hot
wings you know what I'm saying but hot
like I and then I ended up telling her
like oh that's a adult Club boy you know
and I was telling her this I said so if
somebody who worked at Magic City came
into your specific seminar quote unquote
on a week toe basis
and they spoke about their trials and
tribulations in the club what would you
say it just depends on what they
say I said but if they give you a
donation are you going to take that
donation she said of course I said see
Mom you don't understand what you just
did right when
somebody is is coming to a vessel or
coming to a source for in essence church
talk repentance
if I want to repent you can't judge what
I done been through right it's not for
you Pastor Deacon mother evangelist to
judge if I was a prostitute or not if I
was a pimp or not if I was a drug dealer
or not if I you know right committed
adultery or not I'm I'm I'm I'm coming
to the only source that I know that will
be forgive me and even in here yeah yeah
y ain't forget but y'all going to take
my money right at offering time matter
of fact y'all going to double it up and
say that ain't enough M so I think it's
very mindful that there is a stigma of
old church because when I tell you one
of those angels that I mentioned had Lou
Newton to this day I am 35 years old and
I will swear this or promise this over a
stack of Bibles I've never seen my
grandmother wear pants
pants
wow wow I have never really seen that I
of think about I ain't never seen I've
never seen my grandmother's
kneecap yeah that's how long her skirts
are yeah she got a skirt in every
color yeah but that's just because she's
from that the old church yeah I get it
but I think the the problem is we have equated
equated
wardrobe with Warfare m
uh is that your clothes is not what
makes you Christian uh so that could be
a young woman coming out of Magic City
who got the power to lay hands and the
circumstances of her life bed from him
we miss it and we're looking for people
to come Church ready you going to the
gym people laughing at people at the gym
who on the treadmill overweight where
else should they be mhm but in that
place people in church want you
perfected they don't want you improve
process MH and our responsibility is
where do I embrace you in the process
right so if you go to the church you
grew up in
Sunday and get up and say hey I done
gone from smoking a pack a week to
six nobody will
clap they will only clap when you stop
smoking all together M but not for the
journey and so what this generation
looking for is where's the authentic
applaud me that I'm trying right BL me
that I'm doing better than where I was
but to that point though that's not just
a church thing cuz I mean you're making
a a very valid point pastor and I want to
to
say even in the world or even in on
social media they don't they don't
applaud you for walking up the steps or
walking at all yeah they just prefer you
to go to a doctor take a
pill and then you take a back shot
picture so you take a a photo on the
mirror and then boom that get all the
likes that get all the comment because
social media is like church we only show
the success we never show the process so
you dating somebody and it falls apart
next thing we know all the pictures that
been did ah man look listen I promise I
promise to you I promise to I literally
not granted and and I don't want you to
judge me no we it together say I'm over
here looking at somebody page the other
day and you would have thought she just
started living at the age of 30 right I
said hold on I'm scrolling back down it
ain't no all her all her post start at
2022 I said hold on you ain't got no
high I know you done had Instagram as
long as you done been in high school oh
yeah yeah but them p and then homeboy
you know I want to I I love the journey
I love the process it's like all of a
sudden you just done magically lost 30
lbs oh yeah then they a
trainer Man follow me for more content
on herbs and
berries and and even with the even with
the trainer yeah I go to a place right
now I'm not going to say no names I work
out and seeing how content creators make
content yeah you would have thought that
they be in there just killing it I got
news for you I hate to be the bear do
for the they do six
sets and that's it yeah but when they
post it you would have thought boy that
was a high intensity training session
like no other it's that's Church they
know six scriptures so they put them in
rotation and you think that they know
the full depth I've read uh something
this morning that people who sing the lyrics
lyrics
karaoke it's just it's just a
performance it don't it don't even have
no depth or any substance to it you're
right how do you knowing that we've
identified what a issue is yes how do
you integrate old and new not being too
old yeah in this new age and not being
to new in this new age too I passed an
intergenerational church so I got can
you explain I got Baby Boomers and gen Z
okay in the same church so my praise
team will be singing Maverick City Kirk
Franklin Fred Hammond jumping across the
stage I got to walk right to that mic
and say draw me nearer M they them old
people ain't going to move till that him
come in
there it don't matter what you doing
that jumping around ain't going to make
you cry you got to find that red hm book
uh and so every Sunday we are
intentional to touch all of the touch
points of every generation uh to know
that it's the same God but is has
different packaging I I I you see it so
accessible now and I we're going to get
into it later on in regards to your
methodology as far as reaching the
people but is there a specific way like
I'll give you an example but your
example is going to be in Ministry yeah
I could tell if a person a good football
player or a good athlete in
general 10 minutes tops it won't take
you that long it I can look at first
glance and I can say oh he the truth or
he got the potential to be the truth I
can tell how a person walk I can tell
how a person talk I can tell how a
person car themselves I can tell how a
person throws I can tell how a person
care I don't need you to go through a 30
to 45 minute to two hour workout to let
me know bro you really like that yeah I
can if we take off all numbers yeah and
we take out all
names in a blank a blank field full of
football players I can tell you who
starting on each team I cannot do that
for a Christian why not because the
anointing does not remain
resident it can go and come so the
gentleman who's holding your camera
right now I'm like oh he just a
cameraman but that doesn't tell me any
depth of his prayer life the Bible says
man looks at the outer appearance but
God looks at the heart and so that's why
church people can be the most judgmental
but they're dyslexic because they read people
people
backwards because they don't look like
church don't mean that church is not in
them people who are in jail can probably
preach better than most preachers in the
in the pull pit cuz they devotional life
is more intense their prayer life is
more focused they're only centered in on
the word of God and so we've got to
really remove the stigma it is not
watching how they run as you will do as
a pastor I've got to see how they
walk how do you walk through
difficulties how do you walk through
challenges how do you walk when you feel
separated from God that that's the real
evidence of whether you fumbling the
ball or whether you being tackled but
you said something and I don't know if
it was anything to kind
of further but you said going and coming
like when
you in religion and any type of religion
and one of my most
interesting courses in college
graduating from Auburn University with a
sociology degree I had to take a
religion class yeah a criminology class
psychology class that was kind of like
my most as the as they would say these
days that was my most litest semester
yeah cuz I was just so in I felt like a
nerd yeah but as you feel that in
Ministry do you think that there's
phases where you're all
in and you're all out or is it just one
way that you have to be no you evolve
with the circumstance of your life and
you see things through a different lens
who God was to you at Auburn M it's not
who God is to you at Fellowship yes sir
your life experiences make you see him
differently um you you don't know who
God is to be a
father if you've always had one
mhm uh and so the dimensions of who God
is is revealed based off of your
circumstance same with uh being a pastor
in Ministry you're
evolving as the church is evolving I'm
now engaged so what I looked at in
scripture as a single man it's different
than how it is that I'm looking at it
headed towards the Altar for
marriage it impacts how it is that I
preach how it is that I relate what it
is that my focus is because I am
evolving as a person they have this
saying now in
urban like
world I'm more spiritual than I am
religious yes what does that mean
nothing okay it means absolutely nothing
we're all Spirit beings having a human
uh existence but people who are
spiritual but you're not religious you
just in the galaxy just floating right
you praying to some higher being what
higher being uh there has to be some
acknowledgment that is higher than self
correct uh that puts us in a place of
humility to realize I am not in charge
right uh but there is a power that is
greater than I
am but is it is cuz I I hear it more
than not yeah and going back to
something that you said in regards to is
is we're at an alltime low of people
yeah um people want they want a
spiritual connection yes and they don't
know where to land uh they keep spinning
the block trying to find what is it is
it in incense is it in black soap is it
in waste beads is it in meditation is it
in Pilates they're trying to find
something people who don't believe in
God but got scripture tattooed on their
bod hello
people don't believe in God and want to
get married Hey listen come on man you
get right go there I'm trying listen I'm
still in the first quarter Pastor I
ain't trying to you at half time you
ain't in the first quarter listen I'm
trying to tell you I say listen just
just buckle up just unbuckle one of them
cuz I want to tell you I want to hang
out now yeah no we
here but before we get all red up got a
whole slate you you good I'm great you
need some water I'm great you know
you want to sing some hands no I ain't
got no singing in me say
l now um one thing that I have known
before even seeing you on TV I saw you
on social media yeah right how have you
going back to like we're still in this
realm of Old Church New Church how have
you been able to identify
leveraging social media as a resource to
expanding your reach yeah my grandfather
as I told you was a preacher when he was
coming along in Ministry they said radio
was of the
devil my father came up he was one of
the first black on TV they said
television was of the
devil Our Generation they said the
internet was demonic
mhm then Co came yes Lord and all
everybody went
online so I think that you've got to
find what is your medium to reach the masses
masses
I I preach to more people
online than I've ever preached to in
person On Any Given Sunday is 40 to
50,000 people
online my church can't hold that so I'm
understanding that uh this is the
platform and the medium that God has
given me to get that word out so even
with that now I would say that I don't
know mega church yeah right I you got to
come visit come
listen I'm not even going to be the one
that say I will waiting on the invite
because you know how church is yes and
you know how there's an unspoken word as
far as members it's almost like set
tripping yeah hold you going over there
to Newberg I thought you was with holy Z
you going over there to Elevation Church
hold on you tripping yeah you tripping
bro you feel me but I I just I don't
know mega church I know Church a
intimate Church where it may be 50 to
potential 150 people in our church is
like oh that's wall to wall I got it but
you but you go to thrift stores yes sir
and you've been to Linux yes sir and you
can get some from either one of them
bangers absolutely but you just going to
have a little bit more to put in the
offering at one more than the other then
I need you to go to the thrift before
mess with me
I but I would say this how do you manage
one thing that to my point is this how
do you manage the relationship yeah in a
mega chur how many people do you have at
your church 10,000 Lord Jesus that's a
blessing it is
um I don't I know like I said 150 people
in my Dead's Church yes it'll be like yo
chologist came in here you know what I'm
saying like that's the only thing I know
I've been when I was in college I I went
to a uh a couple churches and they had a
lot of uh people and I just thought to
myself I was like how do you
manage the volume of requests yeah
because like I said growing up in a
household first Sunday was Pastor Sunday
Second Sunday was Evangelistic Sunday
third Sunday was host of the first
family fourth Sunday was youth Sunday
then you got another month first you see
what I'm saying and I would always see
my father as a person who I wouldn't say
dare I say living a double life but he
was a hard worker i' never known my father
father
to take
Ministry 100% I don't even think he he
could mentally do he's just so on the
go but but when he gets calls late at
night he gets calls during the day he
has to be accessible to the people right
so you talking about 10,000 yes how in
the word let me back up is we only have
the size conversation about
church that's the only place we have the
size convers nobody is saying I ain't
going to see Usher because there's too
many people there I ain't going to see
the Falcons cuz man look at this Stadium
this is
unbelievable I am grac of God to have an
incredible staff I can't do it all by
myself uh it is a team yes sir that gets
it done uh and so you got to be mindful
that Jesus preached to thousands but he
only pastured
12 so there's 12 leaders is who it is
that he imparted to but he preached to
the crowd my responsibility is to pour
into my team and my staff
to go and do that work there's no way
humanly possible that I would be able to
effectively take every phone call meet
with every parishioner be there in every
crisis but I got an incredible team uh
that has shares my vision shares my
passion uh and shares uh my heart for
God's people yes sir that's a great
answer I I I only know my Dad yeah you
know what I'm saying like I only know
like so I could I was wasn't trying to
say but not saying that you received it
this way but I wasn't trying to say like
man you got a big church like no no no
no not just you and particular I'm
saying but that's often the argument uh
on it I didn't grow up in a church just
the size of the one that I pastor but
how did you get to that point did you
have did you always have the vision of being
being
a a a church of many yes but not that
many I it was beyond the scope of my
possib ability um
we regrettably only dream the size of our
our
exposure man now that's that ain't just
in church yeah period That's it's across the
the
board can you please say that again yeah
we only dream at the size of our
exposure because what we're exposed to
reachable it's crazy I was having this conversation
conversation
um with my lady
lady
and she said how can a person who is
raised or people who are raised in the
same house yeah fathered and mothered by
the same mother and the father yeah eat
the same food yes have the same doctrine
of of dos and don'ts and
still when you get old because of what
happened when they left the
house what they saw what they were
exposed to sometimes the generational
curse is not
demonic sometimes a generational curse
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amen am man
listen yeah you ain't got to go to
church and know
like I ain't start that that's
blasphemic I ain't going to keep making
no jokes but that one hit right there
yeah and and that fear will come by way
of them and not you yeah you had to
wrestle through I got to a
place uh in my
Ministry that what I was dealing with in that
that
crowd my father didn't have any
experience in
I'm saying it it is
different when you comeing on hey who
you going to
call when you got 32 million in
debt that Friendship Circle shrinks in
we can laugh and
Kiki watch the game but when you dealing
with different stuff at a different oxygen
oxygen
level most of the people you grew up
asthma they can't breathe it
so what you trying to share on what it
is that you going with they don't even
have a frame of
reference and so now you feel bad for being
being
depression cuz I got to act like it's
okay cuz I don't want to let down the
people who would be jealous to be in my
problem man listen here
they got a thing they call in in the
military you got a suffering silence
yeah and I do it every day people don't
even know it yeah I
literally literally
drive a truck that got all the amenities
that I want I like blam my music you
know I like the old church with Bishop
Paul Morton oh yeah you know yeah oh open
open the
the
lady that yeah also John P ke yeah then
you know feel like old and new Kirk
Franklin you know what I'm saying uh all of
of
them and I drive that car with
anticipation of knowing like it happened
yesterday one of my good friends he said
hey bro you going to leave your car I'm
like yeah let they ain't going to take
that one right
and my
children often times
say Daddy when we going to drive to
Bentley Daddy when we going to try the
roll Ry Daddy when we going to try the
Ferrari right Daddy when we going to try
that flashy old school right there what
what the chel right what's this this
when Daddy the
Corvette and it it don't dawn on me that
I've been trying to blend in you can't I
but but this is the thing though you
can't I can't you're
normaly so the thing is this I don't
like wearing jewelry like that I like
wearing nice things yeah but I don't
really like wearing jewelry like that
because when I go to my son's practice
for example yeah I don't want nobody to
to turn heads and be like oh he got that
c too cuz what what are people going to
say yeah he going to go broke yeah
it is uh when they not even I'm sorry
but when they when they can't even
fathom yeah the the reality of paying
for what does a purchase of a Ferrari
F12 look like what does a per what does
a purchase of a Lamborghini yours look
like and I did it off of hard work yeah
but I I try to blend
in and be like bro I'm just like y'all
yeah not knowing like yo you not I'm not
you not yeah James Baldwin has something
called survivor's guilt where you feel
bad about doing well that you're made to feel
feel
guilty because you've excelled uh and
you end up
apologizing for being
exceptional uh and it is uh only
something black men deal
with white men never feel bad about doing
doing
well you say man you killing it we go
into false humil I'm all right I'm
sure I'm doing okay yeah and uh having
to navigate that
space is uh is a tap dance and I I give
you my experiences because it's a little
different knowing that and and I want to
talk about yours too but for me that's
why I
have normalized isolation for me yeah
cuz I find myself in these type of
situations male and female right when I
go shopping at
Linux I feel bad cuz you know I'm with a
family member I'm with a good friend I'm
with his friend and I'm with another
person that just so happenly became a
friend you know what I'm saying and I go
to the register and it's just like man
you they don't they don't directly ask
they like yeah ho right here F right but
they you just get they just get looking
at it yeah
yeah
man oh masika
huh 1,200 n d but then they see
you $4,000 at the cash register yeah
they get a little bit more
Bolder so I feel obligated nope be free
but but here be free that's I don't
don't I don't want that pressure be
free now Oprah Winford gave Gail King a million
million
dollars and said you can't be around me
and be
broke I don't want you to look in my cash
cash
register to be able to find somebody who
fights in your weight class without
being a
competitor is an
investment so when you find authentic
people who actually can rejoice
without being envious that's a different
kind of Peace just yes but so we look at
Envy as evil yes sir Envy sometimes is
uh is lust and we have reduced lust to
sex L says I want what you
have I I read philosopher said everybody
wants your view but nobody wants your
climb so to get to where it is that you
are at that mountain they want a
helicopter in yes sir a
elevator elevator for so no you you
don't have an obligation to carry people
I use this expression don't give people
a ride who won't push your car when you
out of
gas but you won't know oh you'll know
you'll know since we since we you
absolutely know when
when Janet Jack him was dating Germaine
dpri she told him she was broke to see
why he was going to
stay it was only after he proved that he
was there for her that she disclosed she
really didn't file
bankruptcy you going to have to find a
way how do I test what is the
motive why you looking like that man
when I tell you I'm looking through you
yeah cuz this is the
thing and I would always say this my
father told me
this loyalty yeah is not tested when
it's convenient for you yes loyalty is
only tested when things are unconvenient for
for
you I'mma add to your father don't confuse
confuse
loyalty for
consistency just cuz they always around
don't mean they
you they just may be waiting for that
moment but how do you how do you
identify that though because like I said
I didn't I I didn't necessarily have
envious around me I I I I never really
had jealousy around me I just had I know
my heart yes I started coming and they
do too so I started protecting
myself my mother said to my
sister because you are a giver make make
sure you don't fall in love with a
taker cuz a taker don't have
limits and neither does a give
them so you got to figure out who will
give at my level even if they can't give
at my
level but an empty cup can't pour that's
right unless it's a Dixie cup and even
you got check on what's the size of that
cup I'm trying to tell you a empty cup
can't pour yeah but the picture is
always bigger than the cup yes sir and
you keep pouring in the people who don't
have the capacity to pour it ain't that
they don't love you it's not that they
don't have your best interest not that
they got a knife to put in your back you
got to wrestle through who am I talking
to in this season of my life when I know
I'm talking about you I'm talking about
in generality yes sir when I know I got
a call but I feel Unworthy of it yeah
when I'm not sure how's the world going
to receive all of this just your
Sanctuary this is Marketplace Ministry
at its best yes sir you doing it you a
frustrated runaway
preacher any other way you want to do it
fine I ain't frustrated I just used I
used different platforms for my for my
Ministry fine let's let's say that yes
sir a old lady prophesied to Denzel
Washington that she was going to he was
going to be a
preacher and preach all all over the
world he said in his last
Awards I didn't realize that my
preaching would be through
film so this is the platform the stage
or the pull pit yes sir that has put you
in a place so Ain't nobody got to call
you Reverend and you can sleep at
night yeah you're right you sure right
yeah I just man listen I I I live life
now and I I feel more dangerous yeah
yeah
because people don't know how much you
making yeah it's like you can assume
right he's supposed to be so if I do
drive around in the day in one of my
cars or yeah you so happen to see one of
my houses it's like oh he got that from
not knowing that oh that's that's new
money yeah and I just I hate that
now I do have to blend in because most
people that I come in contact with on on
a normaly is they not used to seeing a
Richard Mill they not used to
seeing you know the the things that
people usually rap about yeah and I just
I don't want that to become a
distraction because I will say that I am
humble but I'm going I'm going to let
you know when you when you playing with
me now you know I got to remind you now
you dig so that's all I I just there was
a boy in the Bible who was possessed by
demons living living in the cemetery
cutting himself with glass kept trying
to put him in
Chains Jesus delivered delivered them
and the Bible's next verse says and the
people were afraid of them they were
never afraid of him as long as he was
demon possessed
never afraid of him as long as he's hurting
hurting
himself but when he got his mind right
is when he became the
threat your greatest threat is healthy
cam is balanced
cam they want you in one
dimension and don't understand there
more to you than that all of us grew up
in church and we know this story about
the wise men coming to Jesus when uh
he's born yes sir they bring gold
frankincense and M every Church whether
you Baptist Pentecostal am is the same
play nowhere came in the Bible does it
say it's three wise men
nowhere we've assumed there three wise
men because it's three
gifts what if it's only
two nobody was prepared for one person
have more than one
gift so you got to prepare yourself to a
place that people
will never know your gift because of how it's
it's
wrapped they didn't know what they was
carrying across that desert for three
years gold frankincense and murder the
Bible says when they got in the manger
that's the first time they opened
it you're not going to open what your
real gift is until you're in the
assignment I'm which you boy
listen pastor we got to step away from
this you you preaching now I would say
let me ask you this what's the biggest
misconception about
you is it how much time we got we got a
lot hold on we got a lot yeah it is
um I have
had to grow up in front of the church
church
um I became a national preacher at
27 I had a bent by
30 I'm sitting on stages with Bishop
Jake Benny Hinn Mike
Murdoch on TBN the word network every
night so people saw me grow up with
twist in my
hair and then they saw me go through a
divorce saw me live through
infidelity saw me go through a child out
of wet lot saw me move to a brand new
city and try to start my life over
the way that God has wired my
life is my failures are always the same
size of My
Success cuz that's the only way he'll
keep me
humble and regrettably uh Dwight
Eisenhower said bad news will go around
the world twice before good news puts on
shoes so people will always remember
your tackles but they'll always forget
your touchdown Downs so I've never had a
blogger write about me feeding a million
people never a blogger talk about me
giving out a million dollars of
scholarships to
HBCU never seen a blogger talk about
rescuing a church that was headed to
foreclosure cuz everybody likes the
tackles and nobody plays the Highlight
footage uh and so if you are living for
the crowd's
affirmation your only hear the
booze and you'll never be able to hear the
the
cheers uh and you got to find what David
said how do you encourage
yourself a psychology
example uh that you probably read about an
an
arburn 12 of us who are in this
room 11 people when you walked in the
room said man I love that ring you got
on he like oh thank you thank you thank
you you said to 11 of them one of them
said man why you wear that
ring you thinking about man should I
have worn this ring or the other one I
got at home cuz we embrace the negative
and dismiss the
critical conversation with me I was
thinking about quitting Ministry walking
away cuz what what age I don't know I was
was
uh 40 yeah 38 man somewhere between 38 and
and
40 and uh I was going to be a president
of a black
HBCU at
40 and uh my dad's like why are you
quitting I said man everybody saying I
can't make it I can't
rebound my mistakes are too
big and he said did the crowd call you
or did God call you
said no the crowd ain't call me God did
said' then why are you responding to the
crowd about your
call you got to come to a a
moment in your own personal life where
you got to really assess why am I doing
this am I doing it for the likes John
Maxwell said if you want to be like sell ice
ice
cream but the moment you put sprinkles
yeah yeah so that I I think that the
Mike Tyson said in an interview what do
you want to clear up that people don't
understand Mike T said I don't want to
clear up nothing let them believe what
they want to believe um what I think the
greatest misperception people have about
me is I am not impacted people see me going
going
on uh and don't know I do it with a limp
I deal with a
spring uh I deal with bandages under the
suit you know I'm wounded for my own
transgressions uh but uh going on I
think is uh my responsibility and it is
my cross being in Atlanta understanding and
and
knowing certain figures in in in
Christ uh World changes C dollar uh and
obviously New Birth uh with Pastor Eddie
Long um those are just Staples just you
just know you don't even know I remember
passing World changes well I grew up on
in College Park so I I seen that but I
never really knew where New Birth was
you know what I'm saying and then I
passed it and I was like oh man that's
the you see what I'm saying and I I like
I said my my exposure to church was a
little different yeah so I was just like
wow B that's a a college or right you
know but with that transaction uh that
transition um my notes say
2018 why why New Birth yeah right uh did
you was there a um a reasoning or or
just take us through that process my
last two years I was in Baltimore I
started a church in Baltimore in 2000
mhm um Millennials and uh I did three
services on a Sunday morning 7:30 9:30
11:30 in my last two years I was
depressed because cam
nobody ever told me you can be unhappy and
and
successful no nobody ever told me that you
you
can have the Holy Ghost and be unhappy
right and so I was going through the mo
and uh I knew my time was up I started
that church in
Baltimore and uh I didn't have an
example of how do you how do you leave
started cuz we think you just supposed
to be there to the end to the hello yeah
and uh Bishop long
passed and um I wasn't even a
candidate uh they asked me to come and preach
preach
because they didn't have a
pastor and I was just filling in a
Sunday and uh it's snowballed uh out of
that I'm
am and uh I never saw myself not being
am cuz that's the denomination I was
raised in I was grew in this all that I
knew uh but God had a plan for me that
was uh again what I talk about that was
beyond my exposure M yeah and
I I
think just just for the for the sake of
this question and we don't have to
necessarily
ideal certain things that was coming out
yeah with the correlation with the
still draw people to Christ yeah and to
follow you to a greater colge yeah you
are I was just teaching on this the
other day you are never anointed for perfect
perfect
situations the per if the situation is
perfect your anointing is
unnecessary uh and so the church was uh
emptied out uh had mountains of debt was
facing foreclosure
and uh I got
there and I was the happiest I had ever been because I felt like this was Where
been because I felt like this was Where I
I Belong I I was
Belong I I was happy to passor a half empty
happy to passor a half empty church that had $32 million worth of
church that had $32 million worth of debt I was waking up excited yes sir um
debt I was waking up excited yes sir um because that that's where I felt like I
because that that's where I felt like I was called to be well were you excited
was called to be well were you excited because of New Journey yeah or you was
because of New Journey yeah or you was excited because it was just a new task I
excited because it was just a new task I was
was excited to trust God for what I didn't
excited to trust God for what I didn't see I was like man listen you ain't
see I was like man listen you ain't bringing me down here to be on no
bringing me down here to be on no foreclosure you had to turn this around
foreclosure you had to turn this around yes sir and I didn't know what was going
yes sir and I didn't know what was going to happen I just knew through prayer
to happen I just knew through prayer that this is where so it was all of
that this is where so it was all of those things it was a New Journey it was
those things it was a New Journey it was a new chapter it was a new opportunity
a new chapter it was a new opportunity for me I was pressing control alt delete
for me I was pressing control alt delete and start pressing all the but I'm
and start pressing all the but I'm pressing all of the buttons to start all
pressing all of the buttons to start all over again so it was uh I'm I'm as
over again so it was uh I'm I'm as excited
excited now as I was when I got here in 2019 M I
now as I was when I got here in 2019 M I think the thing too that I had Kirk
think the thing too that I had Kirk Franklin on
Franklin on um and he spoke about
um and he spoke about how members or even people
how members or even people people
people perceive the messenger as Christ
perceive the messenger as Christ wow wow right yeah that's not to say
wow wow right yeah that's not to say you're not human yeah that's not to say
you're not human yeah that's not to say TD Jake Eddie L Klo dollar yes uh uh um
TD Jake Eddie L Klo dollar yes uh uh um you
you know Paul Morton like it don't matter
know Paul Morton like it don't matter who you are yeah Joel Olin it don't
who you are yeah Joel Olin it don't matter you're not God no or close but
matter you're not God no or close but how how do you deliver that message
how how do you deliver that message because I think it is the transparency
because I think it is the transparency people are looking for to say I'm not
people are looking for to say I'm not God I'm like you I
God I'm like you I struggle I get upset I want to cuss
struggle I get upset I want to cuss people out we talked about offline I
people out we talked about offline I don't always make the right decisions
don't always make the right decisions correct or the best choices so let's
correct or the best choices so let's take this walk together not from a place
take this walk together not from a place of perfection but a part of the journey
of perfection but a part of the journey are to say how it is that that we can
are to say how it is that that we can all grow on God and I am exhibit a that
all grow on God and I am exhibit a that he looks beyond all your
he looks beyond all your faults that God can still use me in
faults that God can still use me in spite of me and that's why you can't be
spite of me and that's why you can't be anointed and
anointed and arrogant you got to realize I am not
arrogant you got to realize I am not qualified for the
qualified for the job yeah I think too you when when you
job yeah I think too you when when you mention or you say things
mention or you say things like any let's take words out yeah when
like any let's take words out yeah when you say faing foreclosure yes in debt
you say faing foreclosure yes in debt $32
$32 million um and and and the circumstance
million um and and and the circumstance ain't matching the Tas it's
ain't matching the Tas it's like Goliath right David how in
like Goliath right David how in the for you I I'm always eager to
the for you I I'm always eager to hear how much of church is actually a
hear how much of church is actually a business yeah
business yeah and how do you
and how do you manage and
manage and direct the administration side yeah to
direct the administration side yeah to appease to the functionality of the
appease to the functionality of the church too as well yeah I think it is
church too as well yeah I think it is um I don't think that it's a business
um I don't think that it's a business that's why the government called it
that's why the government called it nonprofit Desmond 22 uh a starart
nonprofit Desmond 22 uh a starart activist against apothide out of South
activist against apothide out of South Africa said every year the poorest
Africa said every year the poorest people in the community should vote as
people in the community should vote as to whether that church should stay open
to whether that church should stay open another year and if they have not helped
another year and if they have not helped the community they should
the community they should close uh we are in the business of
close uh we are in the business of restoring people we should be in the
restoring people we should be in the business of elevating people's
business of elevating people's Consciousness exposure and their faith
Consciousness exposure and their faith see most people look at green leaf and
see most people look at green leaf and think that's what the average black
think that's what the average black church is the average black church in
church is the average black church in America is 50 people and the average
America is 50 people and the average black Pastor is bivocational MH the real
black Pastor is bivocational MH the real business of the church is how am I
business of the church is how am I transforming that Community where do I
transforming that Community where do I step in where the government has stepped
step in where the government has stepped out so we were able to feed a million
out so we were able to feed a million people in the pandemic when the food
people in the pandemic when the food pantries were closed the food banks were
pantries were closed the food banks were closed the government was uh calling for
closed the government was uh calling for social distancing those were the hands
social distancing those were the hands and the feet of God be honest with you
and the feet of God be honest with you camp our church grew because of feeding
camp our church grew because of feeding not because of preaching not because of
not because of preaching not because of singing but because of serving and when
singing but because of serving and when people watched us serve they said now
people watched us serve they said now that's the kind of church we can get
that's the kind of church we can get with
with um you come from am yeah right and for
um you come from am yeah right and for the people who don't know what yes am is
the people who don't know what yes am is the oldest black denomination in America
the oldest black denomination in America it is as old as America 17 887 uh
it is as old as America 17 887 uh started in Philadelphia Pennsylvania uh
started in Philadelphia Pennsylvania uh in Georgia's Episcopal Church Gentlemen
in Georgia's Episcopal Church Gentlemen by the name of Richard Allen was praying
by the name of Richard Allen was praying at the altar the ushers tapped him and
at the altar the ushers tapped him and said you need to get up because a white
said you need to get up because a white man wants to pray at that altar all of
man wants to pray at that altar all of the black people were sitting in the
the black people were sitting in the balcony he gave the Malcolm X signal
balcony he gave the Malcolm X signal let's roll and he went down the
let's roll and he went down the street and began preaching in a black on
street and began preaching in a black on business in
business in 1787 that's how the am Church started
1787 that's how the am Church started now with that being said New Birth yeah
now with that being said New Birth yeah is a Baptist Church
yes do you guys have white members maybe four with those four yes do you preach
four with those four yes do you preach different today
different today no
no no no absolutely not white people are
no no absolutely not white people are the number one consumers of rap
music they understand the problem and the perplexity without ever living in
the perplexity without ever living in Marcy
Marcy Projects the reality is whether they
Projects the reality is whether they like it or not Jesus is
like it or not Jesus is black so come to his
black so come to his house we
house we but how how how you how you figure Jesus
but how how how you how you figure Jesus black cuz all the pictures that I see
black cuz all the pictures that I see yeah blonde hair blue eyes long you
yeah blonde hair blue eyes long you flowing hair yeah they not reading that
flowing hair yeah they not reading that Bible the Bible says he got hair like
Bible the Bible says he got hair like Lamb's wo skin like Bron there's no way
Lamb's wo skin like Bron there's no way in the world he could have hid in Egypt
in the world he could have hid in Egypt and he's
and he's blonde you talking about sticking
blonde you talking about sticking out come on man no way in the world if
out come on man no way in the world if you go to Asia the pictures of Jesus are
you go to Asia the pictures of Jesus are Asian you go to Russia the pictures of
Asian you go to Russia the pictures of Jesus are Russian is the by product of
Jesus are Russian is the by product of slavery they made Jesus look like the
slavery they made Jesus look like the oppressor to try to make us submit when
oppressor to try to make us submit when we ever realize the strength of who it
we ever realize the strength of who it is that we are James Brown started a
is that we are James Brown started a revolution say Loud I'm Black and I'm
revolution say Loud I'm Black and I'm Proud we bleaching our skin while they
Proud we bleaching our skin while they getting cancer from suntan
getting cancer from suntan machines we hiding our women are hiding
machines we hiding our women are hiding their behinds while they getting
their behinds while they getting injections to look at it and kid in
injections to look at it and kid in school our kids was made ashamed of
school our kids was made ashamed of their lips now they getting lips
their lips now they getting lips injected we the most beautiful people
injected we the most beautiful people the most brilliant people the most
the most brilliant people the most creative people on the planet and can't
creative people on the planet and can't identify that God looks like us and so
identify that God looks like us and so it's up to us to change that narrative
it's up to us to change that narrative do you think that that's a form of
do you think that that's a form of racism no it's a form of Truth okay yeah
racism no it's a form of Truth okay yeah racism is to change who he is but to say
racism is to change who he is but to say how great he is without acknowledging
how great he is without acknowledging him the reason the reason why I said
him the reason the reason why I said that is yes am right and and there's a
that is yes am right and and there's a lot of just having conversation that's
lot of just having conversation that's all we doing and and I and I have to
all we doing and and I and I have to yeah have I have to provoke thought I
yeah have I have to provoke thought I have to open the dialogue of
have to open the dialogue of understanding when we when we say black
understanding when we when we say black yeah black churches black communities
yeah black churches black communities black this black that
yeah what about churches just in general yeah a lot of people felt a certain type
yeah a lot of people felt a certain type of way way where the movement of black
of way way where the movement of black lives matter and then somebody remixed
lives matter and then somebody remixed it and said well all lives matter right
it and said well all lives matter right it is only for black people that are we
it is only for black people that are we charged with Reverse Racism you've
charged with Reverse Racism you've traveled all over the world and every
traveled all over the world and every major city you've been to In America
major city you've been to In America you've been to
you've been to Chinatown every major city has Little
Chinatown every major city has Little Italy in 50 states you ain't been to
Italy in 50 states you ain't been to little Africa
little Africa nowhere cuz we made not to embrace who
nowhere cuz we made not to embrace who it is that we are but even Africans
it is that we are but even Africans don't even look at us as that's not true
don't even look at us as that's not true that's again how it is that they are
that's again how it is that they are dividing us the year to return to in
dividing us the year to return to in Ghana
Ghana 2020 black people from everywhere went
2020 black people from everywhere went to Ghana felt like home 5,000 black
to Ghana felt like home 5,000 black people have expatriated to Ghana cuz
people have expatriated to Ghana cuz they said this is finally where it is
they said this is finally where it is that I feel I'm at home mhm Atlanta in
that I feel I'm at home mhm Atlanta in Houston is now Nigeria wakanda
Houston is now Nigeria wakanda yes right president's debate recently
yes right president's debate recently KLA Harris said in the middle of the
KLA Harris said in the middle of the debate and stop me in my tracks that
debate and stop me in my tracks that 800,000 Polish people living in
800,000 Polish people living in Pennsylvania had no
Pennsylvania had no idea no
idea no idea that that stronghold is that heavy
idea that that stronghold is that heavy they moving in packs it's only us that
they moving in packs it's only us that having to blend in and assimilate and
having to blend in and assimilate and Associate and say oh man no I'm with
Associate and say oh man no I'm with everybody no no the Polish don't have to
everybody no no the Polish don't have to apologize for being polish
apologize for being polish amican it's only us that have to do that
amican it's only us that have to do that Shakespeare said to thine own self be
Shakespeare said to thine own self be true we got to be true to who it is that
true we got to be true to who it is that we
we are while we on this
are while we on this topic you say we Shakespeare say we got
topic you say we Shakespeare say we got to be true to who we are
to be true to who we are yeah well having a conversation a
yeah well having a conversation a in-depth conversation
in-depth conversation because I like talking to people yeah it
because I like talking to people yeah it took a white man to tell
took a white man to tell me and he apologized PRI to anytime
me and he apologized PRI to anytime somebody say I don't mean no offense oh
somebody say I don't mean no offense oh yeah something is about to be offive is
yeah something is about to be offive is coming here it come so having this
coming here it come so having this conversation he's saying this the
conversation he's saying this the straight face yeah he says how is it
straight face yeah he says how is it when a black man kill a black man MH
when a black man kill a black man MH it's not really outrage yeah but when a
it's not really outrage yeah but when a white man kills a black man it's going
white man kills a black man it's going to start a RI the American Media has
to start a RI the American Media has manipulated The Narrative of
manipulated The Narrative of crime black onblack crime is a madeup
crime black onblack crime is a madeup thing you have never heard white onwhite
thing you have never heard white onwhite crime never heard Asian on Asian crime
crime never heard Asian on Asian crime they' have tried to fraction and comp
they' have tried to fraction and comp compartmentalize us to feel as if we're
compartmentalize us to feel as if we're the crime is is where we are oh ho okay
the crime is is where we are oh ho okay go ahead the lead murderers in America
go ahead the lead murderers in America are white men the lead robbers in
are white men the lead robbers in America are white men the large amount
America are white men the large amount of rapists are white men the highest
of rapists are white men the highest number of domestic abusers is white men
number of domestic abusers is white men the highest number of Arrested
the highest number of Arrested pedophiles is white men the greatest
pedophiles is white men the greatest number of drug uh dealers arrested is
number of drug uh dealers arrested is white men but if you ask the average
white men but if you ask the average American who are the proponents of crime
American who are the proponents of crime is a black face to it
is a black face to it the debate same presidential debate
the debate same presidential debate they're now trying to create this
they're now trying to create this narrative that the immigrants are
narrative that the immigrants are bringing in the crime because they never
bringing in the crime because they never want to own up to what it is that they
want to own up to what it is that they have done part of our responsibility is
have done part of our responsibility is to pull the sheets off we had a a
to pull the sheets off we had a a shooting here in Georgia not long ago uh
shooting here in Georgia not long ago uh young man named Co 14 years old went
young man named Co 14 years old went shot up his high school his father's now
shot up his high school his father's now being char
being char charged can you imagine what
charged can you imagine what conversation me and you would be
conversation me and you would be having if col was black and Colt's black
having if col was black and Colt's black father gave him a gun as Colt's white
father gave him a gun as Colt's white father gave him a gun at 14 for
father gave him a gun at 14 for Christmas the television the internet
Christmas the television the internet would explode on the irresponsibility of
would explode on the irresponsibility of black fathers on why it is that young
black fathers on why it is that young black men have guns and are carrying
black men have guns and are carrying guns it is has always shifted to make
guns it is has always shifted to make black men feel hyper aggressive
black men feel hyper aggressive hypersexual and Hyper criminalized it's
hypersexual and Hyper criminalized it's part of a larger historic original sin
part of a larger historic original sin of America that always uh criminalizes
of America that always uh criminalizes and points their fingers at black men
and points their fingers at black men when is absolutely not true the
when is absolutely not true the overwhelming majority cam of black men
overwhelming majority cam of black men who are under penal supervision are
who are under penal supervision are under penal supervision for nonviolent
under penal supervision for nonviolent offense
offense they on ankle bracelets Home monitors on
they on ankle bracelets Home monitors on parole on probation for possession not
parole on probation for possession not for
for distribution that may not sound like
distribution that may not sound like it's significant but it's very
it's significant but it's very meaningful and so that's why it is that
meaningful and so that's why it is that we've got to ask the hard and the
we've got to ask the hard and the difficult questions where is Criminal
difficult questions where is Criminal Justice in America and is Justice just
us that's a lot to unpack but as a black man in America yes
unpack but as a black man in America yes as an interviewer yes I can't choose
as an interviewer yes I can't choose sides yes so there is some truth to what
sides yes so there is some truth to what you were saying but also there's
you were saying but also there's some
some hypocrisy in some of those things too
hypocrisy in some of those things too because when you talking about the most
because when you talking about the most dangerous cities in America MH you ain't
dangerous cities in America MH you ain't seen the consensus in 2024 2023 2022 yes
seen the consensus in 2024 2023 2022 yes but you
but you know nine times out of 10 where are
know nine times out of 10 where are those cities going to be where it is the
those cities going to be where it is the most
most populated so you have to do the
populated so you have to do the demographics on where the crime is
demographics on where the crime is happening per capita the reality is the
happening per capita the reality is the largest amount of drug addiction drug
largest amount of drug addiction drug selling and drug possession it's not
selling and drug possession it's not Chicago it's not New York it's not DC
Chicago it's not New York it's not DC it's in the rural areas as long as it
it's in the rural areas as long as it was in the the city it was criminalized
was in the the city it was criminalized when it when the white communities then
when it when the white communities then it's
it's hospitalized we made drug addiction a
hospitalized we made drug addiction a medical issue when it got in the hands
medical issue when it got in the hands of white teenagers when it got in the
of white teenagers when it got in the hands of black teenagers lock them up
hands of black teenagers lock them up and throw away the key the data is clear
and throw away the key the data is clear you got to look it up it'll show you per
you got to look it up it'll show you per capita where it is that it is happening
capita where it is that it is happening but is the rural areas in major cities
but is the rural areas in major cities like Baltimore where it is that I'm from
like Baltimore where it is that I'm from Charlotte where it is that you were
Charlotte where it is that you were crime is going down crime is going down
crime is going down crime is going down because employment is going up because
because employment is going up because to my point yes now there's the thing of
to my point yes now there's the thing of what you're saying is true
what you're saying is true yeah
yeah but a lot of what we hear may be
but a lot of what we hear may be propaganda yes it may be uh hypocrisy to
propaganda yes it may be uh hypocrisy to a degree but when you hear the statistic
a degree but when you hear the statistic that African-Americans are are the
that African-Americans are are the leading race in prisons yes and
leading race in prisons yes and institutions of of of um penal penalty
institutions of of of um penal penalty around America yeah how do we get that
around America yeah how do we get that we ain't doing that because we going to
we ain't doing that because we going to stand at the alter now yeah it it is uh
stand at the alter now yeah it it is uh the prison pipeline there 1 million
the prison pipeline there 1 million black men right now under penal
black men right now under penal supervision there are more black men
supervision there are more black men under penal supervision right now than
under penal supervision right now than there were black men in slavery so you
there were black men in slavery so you got to ask yourself you can
got to ask yourself you can identify you can play for the Miami
identify you can play for the Miami Dolphins and end up on your
Dolphins and end up on your face because racial profiling still
face because racial profiling still exist you can in fact be sitting in jail
exist you can in fact be sitting in jail because you don't have money for Bond
because you don't have money for Bond that's
that's $5,000 mean you may have it but brothers
$5,000 mean you may have it but brothers are sitting there last couple of fathers
are sitting there last couple of fathers a day Fathers Day days ago I went and
a day Fathers Day days ago I went and bailed out 50 black men who had been
bailed out 50 black men who had been sitting there for three months they
sitting there for three months they didn't even have
didn't even have trial because they didn't have money to
trial because they didn't have money to post for
post for Bond the system has got to be uh
Bond the system has got to be uh reexamined and uh really doing autopsy
reexamined and uh really doing autopsy Tama mallerie uh says the system ain't
Tama mallerie uh says the system ain't broken it was built that way so we got
broken it was built that way so we got to rebuild that system from the inside
to rebuild that system from the inside out uh and figure out why is uh the
out uh and figure out why is uh the sentencing
sentencing off um I I I'll say
this let's step away from criminology for a second and let's
from criminology for a second and let's talk about moral compass yes and doing
talk about moral compass yes and doing right by each other
yes I was lucky enough to have experienced all
experienced all all Races and a lot of different
all Races and a lot of different ethnicities because of my god-given
ethnicities because of my god-given ability of football Yeah by way of
ability of football Yeah by way of scholarship offers by way of scholarship
scholarship offers by way of scholarship visits or visits to different colleges
visits or visits to different colleges um out of
um out of state um going to many different
state um going to many different countries just off of my
countries just off of my skill and this statement alone hits a
skill and this statement alone hits a little
little different can I speak freely please this
different can I speak freely please this your show but I don't want to disrespect
your show but I don't want to disrespect you no have
you no have it when you hear this statement man [ __ ]
it when you hear this statement man [ __ ] you
you [ __ ] versus to hell with you Brad I'm
[ __ ] versus to hell with you Brad I'm through with
through with you one of those
you one of those individuals can still work
individuals can still work together the other one of those
together the other one of those individuals it's on site if I am never
individuals it's on site if I am never see you again and every time I see you
see you again and every time I see you from here on I'll be
from here on I'll be damned yeah so
damned yeah so how do we control that propaganda yeah
how do we control that propaganda yeah because they don't report that you just
because they don't report that you just have to
have to understand when two black men yeah are
understand when two black men yeah are in
in confrontation it's going to be a cold
confrontation it's going to be a cold day in Hell before they can resolve that
day in Hell before they can resolve that issue yeah George jewy wrote a book
issue yeah George jewy wrote a book called post-traumatic slave
called post-traumatic slave syndrome that we fight just for
syndrome that we fight just for respect is that uh you in the when you
respect is that uh you in the when you in high school you going to blows of
in high school you going to blows of somebody accidentally step on your air
somebody accidentally step on your air force on yes sir because respect is the
force on yes sir because respect is the last thing that we
last thing that we got I want to be
got I want to be respected more than I want to be
respected more than I want to be honored uh and it is something that it
honored uh and it is something that it is that we carry that our grandfathers
is that we carry that our grandfathers will call bold boy our fathers will call
will call bold boy our fathers will call son you the first generation of black
son you the first generation of black men in your family to be called
men in your family to be called mister cuz we're looking for that level
mister cuz we're looking for that level of respect and so we've got to do a
of respect and so we've got to do a better job of finding a way to affirm
better job of finding a way to affirm each other to
each other to have
have disagreements without it being
disagreements without it being final that we can agree to disagree M
final that we can agree to disagree M you
you know white white people will argue over
know white white people will argue over who going to be the next
who going to be the next president we fighting over Kendrick and
Drake we got we got full we fighting over LeBron and Jordan you're at our
over LeBron and Jordan you're at our very base yeah we had an all out
very base yeah we had an all out internet
internet War while Little Wayne ain't doing half
War while Little Wayne ain't doing half time and Kendrick doing it I mean it's a
time and Kendrick doing it I mean it's a it's a thumb war who's selling out who a
it's a thumb war who's selling out who a house negro that you ain't put little
house negro that you ain't put little Wayne on ain't nobody going to war for
Wayne on ain't nobody going to war for Britney Spears over Taylor Swift and
Britney Spears over Taylor Swift and Taylor Swift but we will draw a l a Line
Taylor Swift but we will draw a l a Line in the Sand over what it is that we
in the Sand over what it is that we understand this yes and this is about to
understand this yes and this is about to hit you
hit you yes speaking on
yes speaking on music why is it that there's only one
music why is it that there's only one genre of music
genre of music music that you can have a beef and it's
music that you can have a beef and it's accepted you ever heard of gospel beef
accepted you ever heard of gospel beef no have you ever heard of a country beef
no have you ever heard of a country beef no about a jazz no what about a POP beef
no about a jazz no what about a POP beef no you ever heard in sync beefing with
no you ever heard in sync beefing with Back Street Boys no you ever heard Kenny
Back Street Boys no you ever heard Kenny Chesney be beefing with just you dig
Chesney be beefing with just you dig what I'm saying yes but there's archives
what I'm saying yes but there's archives and archives and archives of music music
and archives and archives of music music about beef West Coast versus East Coast
about beef West Coast versus East Coast yes this person vers that person and it
yes this person vers that person and it all points back
all points back to the black man so and and dare I say
to the black man so and and dare I say this because I have to protect myself
this because I have to protect myself and the platform of cuz they going to
and the platform of cuz they going to quick to say oh [ __ ] you cooning [ __ ]
quick to say oh [ __ ] you cooning [ __ ] who who you with yeah but this is
who who you with yeah but this is something that we have to talk about as
something that we have to talk about as black men and say bro we got to start
black men and say bro we got to start doing right by ourselves yeah the other
doing right by ourselves yeah the other Industries have had beef they just
Industries have had beef they just didn't put it on the
record they have popularized our dysfunction and
popularized our dysfunction and disdain there's also no other genre of
disdain there's also no other genre of music that will consistently denigrate
music that will consistently denigrate their own
their own women there's no other genre of music
women there's no other genre of music that is promoting violence at the level
that is promoting violence at the level that is controlled by record companies
that is controlled by record companies that don't look like us
the the the whole uh this is maybe before your time
self-destruction Public Enemy yes sir yeah they wouldn't give them a record
yeah they wouldn't give them a record deal conscious R can't get
deal conscious R can't get airpl can't get airpl Kendrick Lamar
airpl can't get airpl Kendrick Lamar didn't come out last
didn't come out last year it is only the beef that made it
year it is only the beef that made it become popular you had to understand a
become popular you had to understand a beef song got you you to the Super
beef song got you you to the Super Bowl not come come on K listen to me
Bowl not come come on K listen to me come on cam you listen to music what
come on cam you listen to music what what is the albums that went platinum
what is the albums that went platinum you coming you going to get Kendrick
you coming you going to get Kendrick Lamar's catalog you putting that up
Lamar's catalog you putting that up against Bruno
against Bruno Mars I'm for Kendrick I ain't talking
Mars I'm for Kendrick I ain't talking about gift I ain't talking about Talent
about gift I ain't talking about Talent I'm talking about President of the this
I'm talking about President of the this is your world president of of Music
is your world president of of Music catalog
catalog Mars I'm saying to you what catapulted
Mars I'm saying to you what catapulted him to that level of acceptance was
him to that level of acceptance was beef they paid attention on what's going
beef they paid attention on what's going on with
on with Drake let's put it on there so what's
Drake let's put it on there so what's going on in Louisiana with Birdman Nicki
going on in Louisiana with Birdman Nicki Minaj masterpie how come our guy ain't
Minaj masterpie how come our guy ain't on at halftime and we in New
on at halftime and we in New Orleans there another tributary of it we
Orleans there another tributary of it we don't know how it is to celebrate hey
don't know how it is to celebrate hey man here's a guy who's an independent
man here's a guy who's an independent artist who got a break let's celebrate
artist who got a break let's celebrate him and work in the background and say
him and work in the background and say hey Kendrick why you on there let Lil
hey Kendrick why you on there let Lil Wayne come up with
you all you can do is laugh cuz you know I'm telling the truth you truth but you
I'm telling the truth you truth but you don't know the backstory I understand it
don't know the backstory I understand it Lil Wayne's artist is Drake I understand
Lil Wayne's artist is Drake I understand so how he going to come on up no no no
so how he going to come on up no no no I'm saying we don't deal with it in the
I'm saying we don't deal with it in the back room okay that that's my point I'm
back room okay that that's my point I'm not even saying for Lil Wayne to come up
not even saying for Lil Wayne to come up there yes sir I'm saying that we do all
there yes sir I'm saying that we do all of our in public Nicki Minaj tweets so
of our in public Nicki Minaj tweets so basically what you're saying correct me
basically what you're saying correct me if I'm wrong had it been another genre
if I'm wrong had it been another genre of music yes if it were to be a
of music yes if it were to be a discrepancy yes it would have been done
discrepancy yes it would have been done backstage not figuratively backstage but
backstage not figuratively backstage but without so now we all in the fight so we
without so now we all in the fight so we all know we all in if you really want to
all know we all in if you really want to do numbers yes going to bring yes
do numbers yes going to bring yes and yeah can't we all just get along
and yeah can't we all just get along yeah Long Live riding the
yeah Long Live riding the king but we ain't we ain't doing that
king but we ain't we ain't doing that though but we have
though but we have to that's we're having this discussion
to that's we're having this discussion yes we to have our I know there's
yes we to have our I know there's certain things in our race that is
certain things in our race that is beautiful yeah that is strong that is
beautiful yeah that is strong that is admirable that is Something to Believe
admirable that is Something to Believe In yeah but I also know that the same
In yeah but I also know that the same thing is corrupt black people don't do
thing is corrupt black people don't do right by black people they do no no no
right by black people they do no no no no no no I'm not going to harp on that
no no no I'm not going to harp on that I'm saying I know way more black people
I'm saying I know way more black people than I know white people so therefore my
than I know white people so therefore my perspective is going to be a little
perspective is going to be a little different I got it and I'm telling you
different I got it and I'm telling you white people don't do right by white
white people don't do right by white people that's cool but I'm saying this
people that's cool but I'm saying this we have to do better I agree I'm not
we have to do better I agree I'm not saying that I'm 10 toes in that I agree
saying that I'm 10 toes in that I agree that so as long as we can understand
that so as long as we can understand that I agree and know that yo bro like
that I agree and know that yo bro like let's come together cuz we do have and
let's come together cuz we do have and this ain't no statistic this ain't
this ain't no statistic this ain't something that you can read or you can
something that you can read or you can probably do this because they study so
probably do this because they study so much yeah black people got the most
much yeah black people got the most influen period in the world put an
influen period in the world put an exclamation mark on it I'm ha in Hong
exclamation mark on it I'm ha in Hong Kong that they got their pants drooping
Kong that they got their pants drooping in Japan yes sir yeah no it's true so
in Japan yes sir yeah no it's true so I'm not I'm not I just I know what it's
I'm not I'm not I just I know what it's like
like where it's so much trial and
where it's so much trial and tribulation in Chicago yeah in La yeah
tribulation in Chicago yeah in La yeah in Compton or as you know they say
in Compton or as you know they say bompton yeah I know what it's like to go
bompton yeah I know what it's like to go down the street and oh man it's rough
down the street and oh man it's rough around here yeah we don't say that on
around here yeah we don't say that on Rodeo Drive right we don't say that in
Rodeo Drive right we don't say that in Buckhead as soon as we get the bank
Buckhead as soon as we get the bank head and that's our peoples doing
head and that's our peoples doing because that's what I see I get it Dr
because that's what I see I get it Dr King
King said crime is the Bride of
said crime is the Bride of poverty that wherever it is that you see
poverty that wherever it is that you see crime poverty is close by and in those
crime poverty is close by and in those areas they don't have access to capital
areas they don't have access to capital for entrepreneurship right in those
for entrepreneurship right in those areas you are follow where it is that is
areas you are follow where it is that is the highest rent zip codes the lowest
the highest rent zip codes the lowest credit scores the lowest educational
credit scores the lowest educational testing and so there's got to be an
testing and so there's got to be an intention on how it is that we lift them
intention on how it is that we lift them up in that presidential debate president
up in that presidential debate president Trump is a championing for the wealthy
Trump is a championing for the wealthy kamla Harris is championing for middle
kamla Harris is championing for middle class Democrats nor Republican have
class Democrats nor Republican have rolled out an agenda for the
rolled out an agenda for the poor our responsibility is how do we
poor our responsibility is how do we lift up our cousins and them who are not
lift up our cousins and them who are not on that middle class track who are not a
on that middle class track who are not a part of the
part of the 1% but they scratching and surviving
1% but they scratching and surviving looking for good times and Florida Evans
looking for good times and Florida Evans ain't there no more there's got to be a
ain't there no more there's got to be a pattern and a blueprint to say in the
pattern and a blueprint to say in the words of Marcus Garvey up you mighty
words of Marcus Garvey up you mighty people accomplish what you will but that
people accomplish what you will but that don't happen through osmosis has got to
don't happen through osmosis has got to happen through an
happen through an agenda with that being said though
agenda with that being said though Pastor I will say there's a lot of
Pastor I will say there's a lot of people a part of the 1%
people a part of the 1% yeah
yeah figuratively and a part of the 99%
figuratively and a part of the 99% literally yeah right yeah and I what I
literally yeah right yeah and I what I me what I'm saying is you could be a
me what I'm saying is you could be a millionaire
millionaire yeah in your pockets yes and be broke
yeah in your pockets yes and be broke yes in your brain absolutely we don't
yes in your brain absolutely we don't know money yes think about
know money yes think about this in my bloodline
this in my bloodline yeah I made more in one week
yeah I made more in one week than my grandmother probably made in her
than my grandmother probably made in her whole life
whole life yes that's an exception you see what I'm
yes that's an exception you see what I'm saying but but to that point let me say
saying but but to that point let me say to
to you you and I together can name the
you you and I together can name the black billionaires we know them by name
black billionaires we know them by name know what they do and know where they
know what they do and know where they live you and I together cannot name the
live you and I together cannot name the white
white billionaires with the largest Society
billionaires with the largest Society does is always raise up the
does is always raise up the exceptions and act as if the exceptions
exceptions and act as if the exceptions are the rules and that's not the case if
are the rules and that's not the case if if the if nine out of 10 of our black
if the if nine out of 10 of our black billionaires are from athleticism and
billionaires are from athleticism and entertainment and not from
entertainment and not from business but nine out of 10 white
business but nine out of 10 white billionaires are from
billionaires are from business we got to figure out how it is
business we got to figure out how it is that we do business M that don't have
that we do business M that don't have show attached to it so when we're
show attached to it so when we're talking about fiscal and economic
talking about fiscal and economic literacy has got to figure out okay this
literacy has got to figure out okay this was great but cam here's the
was great but cam here's the danger
danger 75% of black businesses never become
75% of black businesses never become second
second generation cuz the children don't know
generation cuz the children don't know how to maintain it they don't know how
how to maintain it they don't know how to take it to the next level because
to take it to the next level because it's made as a fluke we got to make sure
it's made as a fluke we got to make sure that your grandson
that your grandson is able to repeat what you just
is able to repeat what you just said I want your unborn grandson to say
said I want your unborn grandson to say I made more money in a day than my
I made more money in a day than my grandfather ever did here it is and I
grandfather ever did here it is and I didn't have his
didn't have his gift that's when we moving into real
gift that's when we moving into real generational wealth Negroes are fighting
generational wealth Negroes are fighting over lamps and a mink coat when Grandma
over lamps and a mink coat when Grandma dies cuz they don't have any sense of
dies cuz they don't have any sense of how it is that we invested and get into
how it is that we invested and get into that Marketplace to really do it without
that Marketplace to really do it without it becoming competition for us to create
it becoming competition for us to create that level of generational wealth comes
that level of generational wealth comes with financial literacy Financial uh
with financial literacy Financial uh discipline and bringing the whole family
discipline and bringing the whole family together Barry Gordy is the best example
together Barry Gordy is the best example I give it again and again and again
I give it again and again and again Barry Gordy wanted to start mtown music
Barry Gordy wanted to start mtown music no bank would do it he brought his
no bank would do it he brought his family together said I got an
family together said I got an idea the family chipped in
idea the family chipped in in and gave him the money for mtown so
in and gave him the money for mtown so everybody talks about Barry Gordy nobody
everybody talks about Barry Gordy nobody talks about how nobody in the family has
talks about how nobody in the family has to
to work cuz they invested in the
work cuz they invested in the business Asians will come to a black
business Asians will come to a black community and open up a fried chicken
community and open up a fried chicken place and live over top of the fried
place and live over top of the fried chicken place and there's 12 of them
chicken place and there's 12 of them upstairs and they have set out a
upstairs and they have set out a strategy we're going to stay in this
strategy we're going to stay in this two-bedroom with 12 of of us in here
two-bedroom with 12 of of us in here until you can go by the next
until you can go by the next Corner the greatest amount of
Corner the greatest amount of Proprietors of hotels in America are
Proprietors of hotels in America are Indians we have moved here and they
Indians we have moved here and they buying Extended
buying Extended Stays they buying motels not the Marquee
Stays they buying motels not the Marquee down the street not the high not the
down the street not the high not the richz Colton not the West not the
richz Colton not the West not the Intercontinental they're buying Extended
Intercontinental they're buying Extended Stays hotels and a report just came out
Stays hotels and a report just came out Cam that two
135,000 students in Atlanta are living in Extended State
hotels who getting that money we keep uh operating out of a
money we keep uh operating out of a false positive do business on where your
false positive do business on where your passion is it's a
passion is it's a lie do business where the profit is you
lie do business where the profit is you got to figure out what is missing in my
got to figure out what is missing in my community and how can I maximize it so
community and how can I maximize it so only in the black community can Asians
only in the black community can Asians get away from doing business with you
get away from doing business with you through
through plexiglass they can't do it in any other
plexiglass they can't do it in any other community we got to figure out don't buy
community we got to figure out don't buy out the bar buy out the
out the bar buy out the block I I say over and over and over
block I I say over and over and over again the black church is partly
again the black church is partly responsible for
responsible for gentrification cuz all of that property
gentrification cuz all of that property is around the church and we ain't buying
is around the church and we ain't buying it we just letting people come in the
it we just letting people come in the wealthiest real estate owners in the
wealthiest real estate owners in the world the only two the two wealthiest
world the only two the two wealthiest real estate owners in the world that own
real estate owners in the world that own the most property in the world is the
the most property in the world is the Catholic church and McDonald's about to
Catholic church and McDonald's about to say so the church know how to do
say so the church know how to do business we got to do business Beyond
business we got to do business Beyond selling pound cake and fish dinners on
selling pound cake and fish dinners on Friday how do we buy this dilapitated
Friday how do we buy this dilapitated property how do we bring in a Cam Newton
property how do we bring in a Cam Newton and not ask him for t lives but ask him
and not ask him for t lives but ask him for strategy
for strategy so R me this yeah your word is not mine
so R me this yeah your word is not mine yeah not saying that I don't agree
yeah not saying that I don't agree disagree with it or agree with
it investing in your community yes is not you said you should invest where the
not you said you should invest where the money is yes correct
yes so what should a person do if that's all
what should a person do if that's all they know in regards person do in terms
they know in regards person do in terms of what make money cuz it ain't no money
of what make money cuz it ain't no money yeah with mimom and and and and mother
yeah with mimom and and and and mother mother tiller there is no industry in
mother tiller there is no industry in the world cam no industry in the world
the world cam no industry in the world that has not produced a
that has not produced a millionaire there is a millionaire today
millionaire there is a millionaire today black man who became a millionaire for
black man who became a millionaire for collecting trash
collecting trash there a millionaire today for those that
there a millionaire today for those that do lawn
do lawn service we got to figure out how do I
service we got to figure out how do I get my name on the front of the check
get my name on the front of the check and not on the back of it but we're so
and not on the back of it but we're so consumer driven that we don't know how
consumer driven that we don't know how to shift the
to shift the narrative we don't know how to change
narrative we don't know how to change the game the most brilliant black men we
the game the most brilliant black men we know I didn't wasn't raised with you you
know I didn't wasn't raised with you you weren raised with me you was in Atlanta
weren raised with me you was in Atlanta I was in Baltimore the guys we knew and
I was in Baltimore the guys we knew and raised with who sold drugs had Fortune
raised with who sold drugs had Fortune 500
500 mes with Jet Magazine
mes with Jet Magazine opportunities Elon mus says to that
opportunities Elon mus says to that point yes Elon mus says the people who
point yes Elon mus says the people who have the most Insight in business yeah
have the most Insight in business yeah are drug dealers absolutely not College
are drug dealers absolutely not College professors absolutely but we not going
professors absolutely but we not going to have big Tay Tay and Big Meech
to have big Tay Tay and Big Meech leading o or should we yeah we should
leading o or should we yeah we should because I apologized to my church three
because I apologized to my church three years ago I'm a third generation
years ago I'm a third generation preacher as I told you that in my whole
preacher as I told you that in my whole black life I've never seen the black
black life I've never seen the black church give a scholarship to a young man
church give a scholarship to a young man who wanted a CDL
who wanted a CDL license never seen the black church give
license never seen the black church give a scholarship to a girl that want to be
a scholarship to a girl that want to be a
a esthetician or wanted to open up her own
esthetician or wanted to open up her own lash Boutique because the black church
lash Boutique because the black church has subscribed to the false narrative
has subscribed to the false narrative ative the only way to be successful is
ative the only way to be successful is to go to
to go to college as if that is only one track
college as if that is only one track talking that with the pandemic showed us
talking that with the pandemic showed us you can be successful with no degree so
you can be successful with no degree so we got truck drivers doing $100,000 a
we got truck drivers doing $100,000 a year $150,000 $200,000 a year while the
year $150,000 $200,000 a year while the guy down the street who went to clar got
guy down the street who went to clar got $200,000 worth of student
$200,000 worth of student loans so we got to figure out how it is
loans so we got to figure out how it is that we change the narrative change the
that we change the narrative change the perspective and change our understanding
perspective and change our understanding of what success is I said this um
of what success is I said this um yesterday really I said you got four
yesterday really I said you got four sources yeah that don't cost
sources yeah that don't cost nothing don't be a dummy with a
nothing don't be a dummy with a smartphone you got a Girl by the name of
smartphone you got a Girl by the name of Alexa yeah her partner or I don't know
Alexa yeah her partner or I don't know if that's her partner but her friend or
if that's her partner but her friend or as they said her twin in Siri yeah ask
as they said her twin in Siri yeah ask them they going to tell you everything
them they going to tell you everything yeah they was what they call the Ops
yeah they was what they call the Ops yeah they going to tell you it all yeah
yeah they going to tell you it all yeah you got a homeboy by the name of Google
you got a homeboy by the name of Google yeah yeah he he'll take you wherever you
yeah yeah he he'll take you wherever you want to go yeah he even got a
want to go yeah he even got a map and there is there's a source by the
map and there is there's a source by the name of YouTube mhm that you can
name of YouTube mhm that you can graduate from there yeah and not receive
graduate from there yeah and not receive no type of diploma or certificate yeah
no type of diploma or certificate yeah and it's all there yeah when you talking
and it's all there yeah when you talking about black people in in regards to
about black people in in regards to money had a situation happened to me not
money had a situation happened to me not too long ago at at my son's football
too long ago at at my son's football game and I usually like to give these
game and I usually like to give these examples just to see what the response
examples just to see what the response would would be kind of similar to what
would would be kind of similar to what Janet Jackson did yeah uh a group of
Janet Jackson did yeah uh a group of kids come up to me and they
kids come up to me and they say hey cam
say hey cam new hey let me get a
new hey let me get a picture I look back at him I said hey
bro I said $30 $30
BR just give me a picture I said bro I'm unemployed right
picture I said bro I'm unemployed right now that's $5 from each one of
now that's $5 from each one of you and I stopped I said whoa whoa whoa
you and I stopped I said whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa I want your money not
whoa whoa whoa I want your money not your daddy
your daddy [Music]
[Music] money little man had enough sense to
money little man had enough sense to look at me say you going to charge me
look at me say you going to charge me $30 to just take a picture with you
$30 to just take a picture with you I said yeah I looked down at him and I
I said yeah I looked down at him and I said you paid $240 for them Jordans
said you paid $240 for them Jordans didn't you but you don't question
didn't you but you don't question Michael Jordan who already is a
Michael Jordan who already is a billionaire right this phone that you
billionaire right this phone that you about to hand to me that's a Apple
about to hand to me that's a Apple device Yeah Tim Cook don't need your
device Yeah Tim Cook don't need your money right he a billionaire right
money right he a billionaire right matter of fact that whole outfit that
matter of fact that whole outfit that you got on probably came from Amazon
you got on probably came from Amazon right you think Jeff Bezos need more
right you think Jeff Bezos need more money from you yeah but when I sit up
money from you yeah but when I sit up here and ask you for $5 jokingly or unj
here and ask you for $5 jokingly or unj jokingly you got the most to say about
jokingly you got the most to say about me because people don't value what's
accessible they thought cuz they could get that close
get that close yeah that it's supposed to be free MH
yeah that it's supposed to be free MH yeah access is
yeah access is Commerce and people will post pictures
Commerce and people will post pictures and say I was with my boy
and say I was with my boy cam because we're living in a
cam because we're living in a demographic
demographic where people think popularity is
where people think popularity is currency so they they gauge their we
currency so they they gauge their we worth and their wealth by their
worth and their wealth by their followers and not by their cash flow but
followers and not by their cash flow but even with that listen to this in the
even with that listen to this in the words of Miss
words of Miss Ayana I always like Ayana fix my life
Ayana I always like Ayana fix my life yeah she says people got influencers
yeah she says people got influencers yeah with no influence yes it's
yeah with no influence yes it's true so how does a person who has 10
true so how does a person who has 10 million people following them on
million people following them on Instagram don't got $10 million yeah
Instagram don't got $10 million yeah following their bank account yeah
following their bank account yeah because Dr King said if you call
because Dr King said if you call yourself a leader and nobody's following
yourself a leader and nobody's following you you're just taking a
you you're just taking a walk you not you don't know your
walk you not you don't know your influence until you give
influence until you give direction until you give
direction until you give instruction me liking a picture does not
instruction me liking a picture does not mean you're
mean you're influential me telling you go buy this
influential me telling you go buy this candle and the candle sells out his
candle and the candle sells out his influence and to that
influence and to that point with that type of
narrative we've allowed people with followers yeah to think they are
followers yeah to think they are something that they really not has a
something that they really not has a line that says chick don't tell me that
line that says chick don't tell me that your model if you ain't been in Vogue
your model if you ain't been in Vogue right right cuz we done heard it many
right right cuz we done heard it many times yeah a Instagram model what did
times yeah a Instagram model what did Instagram model yeah and I will tell you
Instagram model yeah and I will tell you this ripping no
this ripping no runways free game yes Instagram don't
runways free game yes Instagram don't pay yeah like YouTube pay yeah so they
pay yeah like YouTube pay yeah so they keep saying how are you influencing
keep saying how are you influencing yeah I just need you to subscribe to my
yeah I just need you to subscribe to my channel my dad says
channel my dad says this this is the first generation where
this this is the first generation where you can be a star with no
Talent you don't even know what these people
people do and they're trying to profit off of
do and they're trying to profit off of it and there is no longterm gain on how
it and there is no longterm gain on how this day going to function so they're
this day going to function so they're using the influence so I'm g go to that
using the influence so I'm g go to that restaurant and hope I can eat for free
restaurant and hope I can eat for free because I'mma post the
because I'mma post the restaurant I need you to send me clothes
restaurant I need you to send me clothes because I'mma wear and tag
because I'mma wear and tag you I'mma come to
you I'mma come to Fellowship cuz I
came let me get a Cuban cuz I'm here and I'mma post you yes sir because they they
I'mma post you yes sir because they they have seen it as
have seen it as transactional and don't know it's
transactional and don't know it's transitional but your word
transitional but your word words not mine not that I don't agree
words not mine not that I don't agree yes or disagree
yes or disagree okay it's the access yeah that is
okay it's the access yeah that is currency yeah so it is it may
currency yeah so it is it may be beneficial for you to
see Pastor in Fellowship respectfully no respectfully the wealthier you are the
respectfully the wealthier you are the more reclusive you have to
more reclusive you have to become the poorer you are the more you
become the poorer you are the more you hang
hang out
out inclusive what I'm saying what inclusive
inclusive what I'm saying what inclusive you got to be yeah and you have to
you got to be yeah and you have to understand that yeah so you you got to
understand that yeah so you you got to stay
stay home you got to stay home because to go
home you got to stay home because to go out is a
out is a ask whether it's a picture it's a check
ask whether it's a picture it's a check or it's a donation
Bishop Jake said to me years ago the terrible thing about becoming
ago the terrible thing about becoming famous is you can't become unfamous you
famous is you can't become unfamous you only become
only become infamous and so you got to figure out
infamous and so you got to figure out what do I do with that level of exposure
what do I do with that level of exposure so that the picture doesn't become
so that the picture doesn't become tainted so we're living in a in a age of
tainted so we're living in a in a age of social media and influence
social media and influence um we talked a little bit off camera and
um we talked a little bit off camera and we're witnessing a historical low in
we're witnessing a historical low in marriage rates across many communities
marriage rates across many communities yeah especially in Black communities
yeah especially in Black communities yeah how did we get
yeah how did we get here uh two things
here uh two things historically um after the New
historically um after the New Deal um when African-Americans left the
Deal um when African-Americans left the South and start migrating to the North
South and start migrating to the North in order for you to receive Food Stamps
in order for you to receive Food Stamps and subsidized housing you could only do
and subsidized housing you could only do it if there wasn't a man in the house
it if there wasn't a man in the house and so a lot of husbands a lot of
and so a lot of husbands a lot of fathers had to leave to make a decision
fathers had to leave to make a decision to feed their family
to feed their family secondarily nowhere else in the world of
secondarily nowhere else in the world of any ethnicity have you ever heard a
any ethnicity have you ever heard a German woman say I don't need a
German woman say I don't need a man you've never heard a Scandinavian
man you've never heard a Scandinavian woman say I don't need a man is that we
woman say I don't need a man is that we have um
have um rewired our women out of
rewired our women out of survivability uh that men are not
survivability uh that men are not necessary the other part the other flip
necessary the other part the other flip side of that coin is that we have
side of that coin is that we have embraced as men that you are less of a
embraced as men that you are less of a man to settle
man to settle down old out care song oh no don't do
down old out care song oh no don't do it protect your heart protect your
it protect your heart protect your heart uh as opposed to seeing that this
heart uh as opposed to seeing that this is a part of Rights of
is a part of Rights of passage uh for my manhood and for my
passage uh for my manhood and for my maturity um for me seeing who it is that
maturity um for me seeing who it is that I am Forbes Magazine says your income
I am Forbes Magazine says your income goes up by
goes up by 76% when you're in a stable
76% when you're in a stable relationship
relationship because stable
because stable yes and was it a singular or
yes and was it a singular or plural is that relationship I had to go
plural is that relationship I had to go back and look but I think it said
back and look but I think it said singular right yes it's so many like
singular right yes it's so many like this is
this is where we talking now we getting there
where we talking now we getting there you you dig what I'm saying because I
you you dig what I'm saying because I always have to remind people this quote
always have to remind people this quote I'm not going to take advice from a
I'm not going to take advice from a person I can't or or don't even respect
person I can't or or don't even respect right or you ain't earn my respect to
right or you ain't earn my respect to even respect you yes so
even respect you yes so your hey we think it I could care less
your hey we think it I could care less yes
yes in
in Ministry that don't mean you ain't a man
Ministry that don't mean you ain't a man right or let me res say it a man in
right or let me res say it a man in Ministry doesn't mean that you're not a
Ministry doesn't mean that you're not a man first correct we all come and fall
man first correct we all come and fall short of his glory yes and me knowing my
short of his glory yes and me knowing my situation having real uncomfortable
situation having real uncomfortable conversations with my family and I
conversations with my family and I remember the words like it's yesterday
remember the words like it's yesterday son the way you live I didn't live like
son the way you live I didn't live like that yeah and I didn't teach you that
that yeah and I didn't teach you that yeah and it pierced my heart cuz I man I
yeah and it pierced my heart cuz I man I went through it I'm the first person C
went through it I'm the first person C in my family to go through a
in my family to go through a divorce I'm the first person in my
divorce I'm the first person in my family to have a child not being
family to have a child not being married my
married my father said to
father said to me I'm disappointed in
me I'm disappointed in you and that thing fell on me like a Rox
you and that thing fell on me like a Rox and jabral every son once their father's
and jabral every son once their father's affirmation uh to know that I crushed
affirmation uh to know that I crushed them was dizzying for me my parents as I
them was dizzying for me my parents as I said to you were married for 55 years my
said to you were married for 55 years my grandparents were married for
grandparents were married for 70 70 years on my paternal side my
70 70 years on my paternal side my maternal side they were married for
maternal side they were married for 67 and I'm walking in saying I'm getting
67 and I'm walking in saying I'm getting a divorce
a divorce uh the
uh the trauma of the divorce on my
trauma of the divorce on my family was more than what other people
family was more than what other people thought but this is the thing that we
thought but this is the thing that we have to start identifying especially in
have to start identifying especially in church yeah life be life in yeah do you
church yeah life be life in yeah do you think divorce could have been avoided
think divorce could have been avoided yes divorce could have been avoided if I
yes divorce could have been avoided if I was
faithful the divorce would have been avoided understood if I honored my vows
avoided understood if I honored my vows understood yes but that's a branch on a
understood yes but that's a branch on a tree yes we keeping it above yeah what's
tree yes we keeping it above yeah what's the root of that yeah how how did how
the root of that yeah how how did how did we get there now and I'm not I also
did we get there now and I'm not I also I have to be mindful to speak from a
I have to be mindful to speak from a man's perspective and also for my female
man's perspective and also for my female viewers as well too yeah it it happened
viewers as well too yeah it it happened and I said it is
and I said it is marriage was my first attempt at
marriage was my first attempt at monogamy
and I never gave monogamy a trial run yes sir I was doing on the job
run yes sir I was doing on the job training uh and so it was uh my
training uh and so it was uh my immaturity I had amazing wife she was a
immaturity I had amazing wife she was a amazing mother to my kids amazing
amazing mother to my kids amazing support uh to what it is that I was
support uh to what it is that I was endeavoring to do uh Bill Clinton was
endeavoring to do uh Bill Clinton was asked uh in an interview why in the
asked uh in an interview why in the world you the president of of America
world you the president of of America living in the white house why you going
living in the white house why you going to gamble all of this on Monica
to gamble all of this on Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton said because I
Lewinsky and Bill Clinton said because I could and you have to your real
could and you have to your real maturity is saying no to what you have
maturity is saying no to what you have options to say yes
to you got some words Pastor you can you you can put it
Pastor you can you you can put it together you can make
together you can make sound so sweet and and and and
sound so sweet and and and and digestible but at the same
digestible but at the same time being in church we hear this all
time being in church we hear this all the time yeah don't be shacking up yeah
the time yeah don't be shacking up yeah don't have no sex before marriage
don't have no sex before marriage yeah but what what are we to do if we
yeah but what what are we to do if we trying to date and you know it's in the
trying to date and you know it's in the music it's in it's in the film it's in
music it's in it's in the film it's in the commercials it's in the the content
the commercials it's in the the content it's in social media it's everywhere we
it's in social media it's everywhere we go so to court a women and to be courted
go so to court a women and to be courted by a man or however you want to identify
by a man or however you want to identify with
with sex is there yes how do you how do you n
sex is there yes how do you how do you n Nancy Reagan in the 80s was the first
Nancy Reagan in the 80s was the first lady of America and she did this big
lady of America and she did this big campaign just say no to
campaign just say no to drugs this is your brain on on drugs
drugs this is your brain on on drugs frying an egg in a
frying an egg in a pot after her
pot after her campaign drug use in America went up by
campaign drug use in America went up by 80% cuz you can't tell people what not
80% cuz you can't tell people what not to do without telling them what to
to do without telling them what to do the church has demonized everything
do the church has demonized everything sexual and so we don't talk about
sexual and so we don't talk about anything that is sexual so the church
anything that is sexual so the church you grew up in I ain't ever been there I
you grew up in I ain't ever been there I don't know where it is but the church
don't know where it is but the church that you grew up in the church that I
that you grew up in the church that I grew up in talked about and talked
grew up in talked about and talked against
against homosexuality but neither of our
homosexuality but neither of our churches and I ain't never been there
churches and I ain't never been there neither of our churches ever talked
neither of our churches ever talked about
molestation okay I put it like this yes we ain't had
okay I put it like this yes we ain't had to go to the same church yes to know yes
to go to the same church yes to know yes that there was a homosexual yes in
that there was a homosexual yes in attendance yes but we never deal with
attendance yes but we never deal with any of the
any of the tributaries because the church also said
tributaries because the church also said if you were touch inappropriately don't
if you were touch inappropriately don't tell don't call the police don't ruin
tell don't call the police don't ruin that man's life we said be
that man's life we said be abstinent but we never heard a message
abstinent but we never heard a message about
about masturbation about self-pleasuring
masturbation about self-pleasuring don't look at the Playboy book but now
don't look at the Playboy book but now you got a whole generation that's
you got a whole generation that's watching watching porn on
watching watching porn on only and it's members with only fans oh
only and it's members with only fans oh yeah yeah and there's more members of
yeah yeah and there's more members of I'll put it to you this way this is the
I'll put it to you this way this is the best quote the best statistic you live
best quote the best statistic you live on statistic best statistic I'm going to
on statistic best statistic I'm going to give you today for every Church
give you today for every Church website there are 50 porn
website there are 50 porn sites did you hear what I just said to
sites did you hear what I just said to you I'm trying to process you yes for
you I'm trying to process you yes for every Church website
every Church website there are 50 porn sites there are 49
there are 50 porn sites there are 49 more opportunities to see sex online
more opportunities to see sex online than to see the Savior
than to see the Savior online but how do you blame no blame we
online but how do you blame no blame we have to aggressively deal with it it's
have to aggressively deal with it it's easy to say to 14y Old cam just say no
easy to say to 14y Old cam just say no then it was to say the 24 year old
then it was to say the 24 year old cam the whole what we we don't deal with
cam the whole what we we don't deal with we don't deal with a gospel for
we don't deal with a gospel for grownups so the church can say say no to
grownups so the church can say say no to people who ain't never had
people who ain't never had it or never going to get it or never
it or never going to get it or never going to get it but how I got to be able
going to get it but how I got to be able to teach it to somebody who is single
to teach it to somebody who is single for the second time at
for the second time at 40 and I'm used to sleeping with
40 and I'm used to sleeping with somebody every night it may not even be
somebody every night it may not even be sexual I just don't like being in the
sexual I just don't like being in the bed by myself yes sir Elvis Presley uh
bed by myself yes sir Elvis Presley uh said that he did did not necessarily
said that he did did not necessarily like sex he just hates sleeping
like sex he just hates sleeping alone and we don't deal with what those
alone and we don't deal with what those dyamics are we don't deal with the
dyamics are we don't deal with the dynamic that the fastest growing
dynamic that the fastest growing demographic of HIV in our community is
demographic of HIV in our community is black
black women who got it from down low
women who got it from down low men so we don't deal with bisexuality in
men so we don't deal with bisexuality in the
the church we don't deal with adjusted
church we don't deal with adjusted sexuality for returning
sexuality for returning citizens who were functional homosexuals
citizens who were functional homosexuals to get through
to get through jail but when they get out then they're
jail but when they get out then they're not a part of that
not a part of that lifestyle well one statistic I I can't
lifestyle well one statistic I I can't quote it as
quote it as accuracy
accuracy but why is
but why is that our public leaders in Ministry
that our public leaders in Ministry yes when you talk about just being
yes when you talk about just being honest about who do we go to yeah to
honest about who do we go to yeah to find Christ or to have peace or to have
find Christ or to have peace or to have hope for a better
hope for a better tomorrow Eddie Long the trials and the
tomorrow Eddie Long the trials and the tribulations that came with
tribulations that came with him TD Jakes The speculations and the
him TD Jakes The speculations and the tribulations of just the looming of
tribulations of just the looming of Gossip yeah I got to pause you right
Gossip yeah I got to pause you right there I got to pause you right there
there I got to pause you right there is the
is the esteem of people for a clergy the
esteem of people for a clergy the expectation of people for clergy was on
expectation of people for clergy was on the rumor against Bishop Jake with no
the rumor against Bishop Jake with no evidence I say it to you this way you
evidence I say it to you this way you talked to Kirk Franklin you talked to
talked to Kirk Franklin you talked to Keon Henderson other people in the
Keon Henderson other people in the gospel there is not a white
gospel there is not a white preacher that could be on MTV
preacher that could be on MTV and have their worship service on MTV or
and have their worship service on MTV or VH1 Bishop J is on Revol
VH1 Bishop J is on Revol TV over
TV over 60 because the white kids on VH1 and MTV
60 because the white kids on VH1 and MTV didn't need a father
didn't need a father figure the black kids watching
figure the black kids watching Revolt needed to see a father so the
Revolt needed to see a father so the accusation was overwhelming to a
accusation was overwhelming to a demographic with no EV
demographic with no EV evidence because for many it was the
evidence because for many it was the closest they had to a father figure so
closest they had to a father figure so what you said that Kirk said is that we
what you said that Kirk said is that we are not Christ we are not God but when
are not Christ we are not God but when you step into that father role then
you step into that father role then different level of expectation nobody
different level of expectation nobody dealt with this was P Diddy's
dealt with this was P Diddy's Pastor not his party goer he went there
Pastor not his party goer he went there to pray for the guy and left
to pray for the guy and left but nobody knew how to separate the
but nobody knew how to separate the chair from the
chair from the wheat because there's a different level
wheat because there's a different level of expectation he had to fight through
of expectation he had to fight through it in honor and dignity that I am
it in honor and dignity that I am covering my member who happened at the
covering my member who happened at the time to own Revol TV and put my pastor
time to own Revol TV and put my pastor and father figure
and father figure on nobody dealt with that that he was
on nobody dealt with that that he was evangelizing a demographic that didn't
evangelizing a demographic that didn't go to T didn't go to church were not a
go to T didn't go to church were not a part of the faith but did he put him in
part of the faith but did he put him in their
their house and say here is a father figure
house and say here is a father figure and now here we are 6 months later and
and now here we are 6 months later and no apologies you telling me all of the
no apologies you telling me all of the Diddy parties the only person y'all can
Diddy parties the only person y'all can find there was Bishop Jake come on
find there was Bishop Jake come on now you can't do
now you can't do that we we got to learn how we are are
that we we got to learn how we are are the only people who get it excited over
the only people who get it excited over a potential fall even when there's no
a potential fall even when there's no Landing if they think you done fell off
Landing if they think you done fell off then people are quick to abandon you and
then people are quick to abandon you and we got to learn how to not be
we got to learn how to not be Fairweather friends but to stand with
Fairweather friends but to stand with him Bishop Jake is a honorable strong
him Bishop Jake is a honorable strong man of God who has made an impact in so
man of God who has made an impact in so many different Arenas uh but we don't
many different Arenas uh but we don't leave space to clear an accusation but
leave space to clear an accusation but to to that to clear an accusation to
to to that to clear an accusation to that point and I'm glad you said that I
that point and I'm glad you said that I think for for the person in search of
think for for the person in search of something yes when that
something yes when that person rightfully so or unrightfully so
person rightfully so or unrightfully so put on a pedestal yes and speak truth
put on a pedestal yes and speak truth Speak Life yes speak promise yes quoted
Speak Life yes speak promise yes quoted by religion yes and I can't just speak
by religion yes and I can't just speak about Christianity because they do it up
about Christianity because they do it up on on on all different levels and when
on on on all different levels and when you are public about your message and
you are public about your message and you are also publicized by your
you are also publicized by your downfalls yes it hurts yeah it hurts so
downfalls yes it hurts yeah it hurts so when you go through what what you go
when you go through what what you go through yes obviously being open about
through yes obviously being open about transgression yes uh infidelity and
transgression yes uh infidelity and things like that how are we still
things like that how are we still supposed to
supposed to follow with the intentions to say you
follow with the intentions to say you know what yeah that the scripture
know what yeah that the scripture there's a scripture says all have sinned
there's a scripture says all have sinned MH falling short of his glory we believe
MH falling short of his glory we believe that scripture until it applies to our
that scripture until it applies to our pastor yes sir Bible says we sin daily
pastor yes sir Bible says we sin daily by thought by word and by deed we
by thought by word and by deed we believe that for everybody except for
believe that for everybody except for the leader your pastor is a candidate
the leader your pastor is a candidate for Grace just like you are and
for Grace just like you are and regrettably you got to walk through that
regrettably you got to walk through that Grace process if I don't know when you
Grace process if I don't know when you turn 40 you come say A J I'm having
turn 40 you come say A J I'm having something I want you to just come pray
something I want you to just come pray over for me cuz I'm turning 40 cam I'm
over for me cuz I'm turning 40 cam I'm coming I'mma pray I'mma leave now what
coming I'mma pray I'mma leave now what y'all do after I leave
y'all do after I leave MH and it go down the police are called
MH and it go down the police are called TMZ is here whatever the case yes sir
TMZ is here whatever the case yes sir but they say Jamal was there man now if
but they say Jamal was there man now if I wasn't there but to pray I'm there 20
I wasn't there but to pray I'm there 20 minutes yes sir that's how long he was
minutes yes sir that's how long he was at the ddy party was 20 minutes from
at the ddy party was 20 minutes from that one picture might I add fully
that one picture might I add fully dressed
dressed might had is at the front door right
might had is at the front door right then how am my shepherd in you cuz you
then how am my shepherd in you cuz you want you at this stage of your life you
want you at this stage of your life you want somebody who you can touch right
want somebody who you can touch right who you can relate to who can pasture me
who you can relate to who can pasture me I want to repent yes I want to repent
I want to repent yes I want to repent and who can pasture me and see me
and who can pasture me and see me through cigar smoke yes sir forget
through cigar smoke yes sir forget everything else let's just talk about
everything else let's just talk about cigar smoke cuz you got a lot of
cigar smoke cuz you got a lot of Pentecost who won't even come in this
Pentecost who won't even come in this building mhm
building mhm cuz I can't be in environment the Bible
cuz I can't be in environment the Bible says Jesus was
says Jesus was chastised for having dinner with
chastised for having dinner with prostitutes not for sleeping with
prostitutes not for sleeping with him he's
him he's ridiculed for hanging out with extremist
ridiculed for hanging out with extremist magga supporters not for voting with
magga supporters not for voting with them but for maintaining the the role of
them but for maintaining the the role of the Gospel is to be able to usher in the
the Gospel is to be able to usher in the gospel for people you don't have stuff
gospel for people you don't have stuff in common with and the moment we stop
in common with and the moment we stop doing that we're not the church we
doing that we're not the church we Country
Pastor do you think in a position of leadership there is
leadership there is a
unspoken power or there's an unspoken responsibility that it has to be
responsibility that it has to be to or
to or marriage say say that again a person of
marriage say say that again a person of leadership yes do they have to be
leadership yes do they have to be married think about this yes I'mma
married think about this yes I'mma answer you right the pope ain't never
answer you right the pope ain't never been
been married but the pope ain't supposedly
married but the pope ain't supposedly yes ain't
yes ain't never had sex either right Jesus was
never had sex either right Jesus was married but there every every president
married but there every every president that we known yes every coach that I
that we known yes every coach that I ever known yeah that we highlight and
ever known yeah that we highlight and support and you say
support and you say d Prime ain't married but you know I
d Prime ain't married but you know I know somebody going say prime a yeah but
know somebody going say prime a yeah but Senator rafhael War kno's not married
Senator rafhael War kno's not married but do you think lead the state of
but do you think lead the state of Georgia Senator Cory Booker is not
Georgia Senator Cory Booker is not married but do you think that affected
married but do you think that affected yes his election he won but he
yes his election he won but he won affected it how
won affected it how he won you're right come on now meet me
he won you're right come on now meet me in the middle I'm trying to meet you in
in the middle I'm trying to meet you in the middle but that's
the middle but that's one I think I think you can manage
one I think I think you can manage single I think you can Excel
single I think you can Excel married but I'll ask you this no stay
married but I'll ask you this no stay right there don't don't go past that
right there don't don't go past that come on with it don't go past that yes
come on with it don't go past that yes sir yeah I I think that yes but that's
sir yeah I I think that yes but that's what leads me to my question yes
what leads me to my question yes and he's not just Senator War not he
and he's not just Senator War not he pastors Mont Luther King Jr's
pastors Mont Luther King Jr's Church yes sir so he's a pastor and a
Church yes sir so he's a pastor and a senator and he is the pastor of the most
senator and he is the pastor of the most known black church in the world you
known black church in the world you don't say yeah now yes I'm asking you
don't say yeah now yes I'm asking you this question yes as a man yes not a
this question yes as a man yes not a pastor yes how have you been able to
pastor yes how have you been able to manage dating terrible
manage dating terrible that's why I'm coming out the game I'm
that's why I'm coming out the game I'm leaving it all to you and
leaving it all to you and [Music]
[Music] no don't pass that don't pass that to me
no don't pass that don't pass that to me I'm don't pass that to me no I'm telling
I'm don't pass that to me no I'm telling you Lord I I did not do single well but
you Lord I I did not do single well but how did you properly I didn't properly
how did you properly I didn't properly do it well okay well let me ask you this
do it well okay well let me ask you this way yes how do you for those who are in
way yes how do you for those who are in the position of power or have access to
the position of power or have access to a lot yes to decipher if if a woman is
a lot yes to decipher if if a woman is truly for them and not what they can do
truly for them and not what they can do for them yes I I think what it
for them yes I I think what it is we have this false notion of what do
is we have this false notion of what do you bring to the
you bring to the table uh and I think that is really
table uh and I think that is really really looking
really looking for how how do you
for how how do you partner am I better because of
partner am I better because of you not do you dress better because of
you not do you dress better because of me m
me m is is my thinking any sharper uh Barack
is is my thinking any sharper uh Barack Obama said he would have never been
Obama said he would have never been president had he not found
president had he not found Michelle can I play Devil's Advocate
Michelle can I play Devil's Advocate play it a lot of people who are married
play it a lot of people who are married that's what they supposed to say yeah
that's what they supposed to say yeah and a lot of people who are single wish
and a lot of people who are single wish they could say it no yes cuz that's
they could say it no yes cuz that's where yes all right let me ask you this
where yes all right let me ask you this though yes let me ask you
this I'm asking you as a man yes and even though you touched from the cloth
even though you touched from the cloth and I have all respect in our me yes I
and I have all respect in our me yes I got it your parents being married for 55
got it your parents being married for 55 years
years yes do you think they've been happily
yes do you think they've been happily married for 55 years I I think our
married for 55 years I I think our understanding of happiness is
understanding of happiness is perfection and that our generation
perfection and that our generation doesn't know how to work through the
doesn't know how to work through the process of arguments
process of arguments disagreements
disagreements fallouts or seasons where we're growing
fallouts or seasons where we're growing in different direction the commitment is
in different direction the commitment is For Better or For Worse yeah so no every
For Better or For Worse yeah so no every day ain't going to be happy every day
day ain't going to be happy every day y'all not going to see eye to eye but I
y'all not going to see eye to eye but I love you enough to disagree with
love you enough to disagree with you sickness we give more grace to our
you sickness we give more grace to our children than we do to our spouse true
children than we do to our spouse true so our children will disappoint us upset
so our children will disappoint us upset us we want to catch a charge but you
us we want to catch a charge but you still with
still with them the spouse there something I'm
them the spouse there something I'm out I can't deal with it because we
out I can't deal with it because we don't
don't like the
like the pressure of
pressure of uncomfortability and it let me say it
uncomfortability and it let me say it let me say it to you let me say it to
let me say it to you let me say it to you listen to me K it is
you listen to me K it is harder for you to fight for
harder for you to fight for it when you have people who will donate
it when you have people who will donate it say it again I couldn't hear you cuz
it say it again I couldn't hear you cuz it was a motorcycle heard that was the
it was a motorcycle heard that was the devil heard no that wasn't the devil you
devil heard no that wasn't the devil you heard it is harder to fight for it when
heard it is harder to fight for it when you have people who will donate
it did you hear it that time I heard it loud and clear but understand this
yes I'm asking for a friend yes is it a sin to have sex before
yes is it a sin to have sex before marriage yeah we got the same Bible hm
marriage yeah we got the same Bible hm yes how do we avoid that or how can we
yes how do we avoid that or how can we make it like work with me Pastor yeah no
make it like work with me Pastor yeah no I'm saying it is is working through Paul
I'm saying it is is working through Paul say when I would do good evil stands in
say when I would do good evil stands in my way it is uh what like that's what my
my way it is uh what like that's what my issue is with the church yes and it's
issue is with the church yes and it's personal it ain't got nothing yes we
personal it ain't got nothing yes we ain't talking about man Pastor how do I
ain't talking about man Pastor how do I stay sane yes when everything around me
stay sane yes when everything around me is insane yes I I'll say ude
is insane yes I I'll say ude backwards I can't
backwards I can't imagine where God would have taken me if
imagine where God would have taken me if I had sexual
discipline I I am nowhere near the orbit of what my possibility was if I had
self-discipline my greatest enemy has been
enemy has been me not my ex not racism not the system
me not my ex not racism not the system mhm it's been
mhm it's been me and once I have a full
me and once I have a full scope that I have become had become a
scope that I have become had become a terrorist of self-
terrorist of self- sabotage then I had to stop being a
sabotage then I had to stop being a unibomber
unibomber cuz I'm was blowing up my own
stuff on people who I knew I didn't want to be with
to be with and who wasn't even worth
it come on now don't black out on me now no I'm just trying to you win somewhere
no I'm just trying to you win somewhere come on stay with me okay cuz I I feel
come on stay with me okay cuz I I feel like we dwindling and I want to be
like we dwindling and I want to be respectful cuz I got you keep leaving me
respectful cuz I got you keep leaving me out here no I ain't yeah come on we in
out here no I ain't yeah come on we in it together I got you yeah come on Hulk
it together I got you yeah come on Hulk Hogan tag me in all right where in the
Hogan tag me in all right where in the Bible does it say you have to have one
Bible does it say you have to have one wife yeah is uh throughout the Epistles
wife yeah is uh throughout the Epistles of uh the New Testament most people uh
of uh the New Testament most people uh look at the uh Old
look at the uh Old Testament but come on you I'm coming I'm
Testament but come on you I'm coming I'm trying to drive come on come on Drive
trying to drive come on come on Drive hanging out we are we are I'm trying to
hanging out we are we are I'm trying to like why can't why can't a man or wi
like why can't why can't a man or wi isn't it accepted for a Christian to
isn't it accepted for a Christian to have multiple wives yeah it is uh more
have multiple wives yeah it is uh more cultural than it is
cultural than it is scriptural wow but it's in the scripture
scriptural wow but it's in the scripture yes I'm saying did not David have mult
yes I'm saying did not David have mult wise yes and concubines yes as well for
wise yes and concubines yes as well for those who don't know who concubines is
those who don't know who concubines is that's THS well they not thoughts
that's THS well they not thoughts because they were they had
because they were they had paperwork they had paperwork and they
paperwork they had paperwork and they were recognized in public say that but
were recognized in public say that but that was but I'm saying for those who
that was but I'm saying for those who don't read the Bible I want you to
don't read the Bible I want you to understand that the concubine still
understand that the concubine still lived at the house but the and the
lived at the house but the and the concubine wasn't a secret but the
concubine wasn't a secret but the government yes made that issue see
government yes made that issue see that's what that they don't understand
that's what that they don't understand for the people who are in other
for the people who are in other religions you only can classify one yes
religions you only can classify one yes right no matter what the but also
right no matter what the but also David's son
David's son yes yeah was the wisest man some would
yes yeah was the wisest man some would say he ain't wise because yes circumstan
say he ain't wise because yes circumstan wise because he had all the women in his
wise because he had all the women in his life yes and they they put him through a
life yes and they they put him through a lot I'm not going to put you through I
lot I'm not going to put you through I understand you had another brand sitting
understand you had another brand sitting in this chair Lord J that's not me so
in this chair Lord J that's not me so I'm not going to
I'm not going to put you through what my cousin put you through I'mma let you go
cousin put you through I'mma let you go through
through it but to that point yes I did mention
it but to that point yes I did mention my fear of divorce yes I've been
my fear of divorce yes I've been divorced 12 years okay and thought I
divorced 12 years okay and thought I would never marry again MH uh and then I
would never marry again MH uh and then I I came to a place where I was just
I came to a place where I was just uh and unfulfilled and it just became a
uh and unfulfilled and it just became a headache uh to just be in that space you
headache uh to just be in that space you don't my I just got uh engaged in
don't my I just got uh engaged in congratulations thank you um but is I
congratulations thank you um but is I have a different level of peace I have a
have a different level of peace I have a different heightened level of focus I
different heightened level of focus I ain't got to remember who I'm supposed
ain't got to remember who I'm supposed to call
to call back I ain't got to navigate my time
back I ain't got to navigate my time schedule but that's you though that
schedule but that's you though that don't mean somebody else can't manage
don't mean somebody else can't manage compartmentalize you know what I'm
compartmentalize you know what I'm saying a a perplex schedule yeah but
saying a a perplex schedule yeah but you've been hemorrhaging yours in this
you've been hemorrhaging yours in this blue chair no no no no talk about I'm
blue chair no no no no talk about I'm talking about over the past couple of
talking about over the past couple of episodes you've been bleeding
episodes you've been bleeding out your your players's card is coming
out your your players's card is coming to an end in Las Vegas you have shifted
to an end in Las Vegas you have shifted to Atlantic City we judging no I'm not
to Atlantic City we judging no I'm not judging you I'm helping you as your
judging you I'm helping you as your brother you've been putting a whole lot
brother you've been putting a whole lot on that blue chair yes Lord yeah that
on that blue chair yes Lord yeah that bandana been getting tighter every
bandana been getting tighter every week we can't even find your Adams Apple
week we can't even find your Adams Apple no more it's gone we going through
no more it's gone we going through it what I like to say these kids keeping
it what I like to say these kids keeping me
me young they they they allowing me to shop
young they they they allowing me to shop more let's just put it there yeah no I
more let's just put it there yeah no I got it but I'm saying you when you have
got it but I'm saying you when you have that level of balance and comfort yes
that level of balance and comfort yes sir it's it's going to do something for
sir it's it's going to do something for you and I'm saying that to you on the
you and I'm saying that to you on the other side now 50 everybody's journey is
other side now 50 everybody's journey is different yes sir and I'm saying to you
different yes sir and I'm saying to you I've been divorced for 12 years so I
I've been divorced for 12 years so I don't know when
don't know when your Damascus Road experience is but
your Damascus Road experience is but you're going to come to a moment where
you're going to come to a moment where you're going to say enough Will
you're going to say enough Will Chamberlain slept with 10,000
Chamberlain slept with 10,000 women and ended up
women and ended up alone reportedly
alone reportedly reportedly yeah it's a lot of things
reportedly yeah it's a lot of things that all reports that we don't heard
that all reports that we don't heard about you Dr Brian
about you Dr Brian yes are they true I
yes are they true I wish they are not but you can't the the
wish they are not but you can't the the internet don't have an editorial board
internet don't have an editorial board you're
you're right my last question yes Pastor Jamal
right my last question yes Pastor Jamal and it's been a plum pleasing pleasure
and it's been a plum pleasing pleasure no it's been mine I feel like we getting
no it's been mine I feel like we getting cut short but even when you think you
cut short but even when you think you going in in a in a sermon yes you still
going in in a in a sermon yes you still putting somebody to sleep we all awake
putting somebody to sleep we all awake right now you got us all
right now you got us all up my last question Pastor Brian is what
up my last question Pastor Brian is what do you want your legacy to
do you want your legacy to be the legacy of my life will be the
be the legacy of my life will be the soundtrack of Donnie
soundtrack of Donnie McClaren he fell down and got back up
McClaren he fell down and got back up again that's going to be my
legacy I received that anything else you got for me no you
that anything else you got for me no you did it Pastor you did it I want to be
did it Pastor you did it I want to be obedient
obedient got to get you out of here I'm grateful
got to get you out of here I'm grateful for the time appreciate your time that's
for the time appreciate your time that's the most expensive thing you can get me
the most expensive thing you can get me that's all I got and I'm not trying to
that's all I got and I'm not trying to $30 for the
picture I'mma cash at you my off hey L I'mma give it to
I'mma give it to you I'mma give it to you man
you I'mma give it to you man listen that's uh that's all the time we
listen that's uh that's all the time we got man and as we end things here at
got man and as we end things here at funky Friday we going to go in unison uh
funky Friday we going to go in unison uh they asked this on the field they say
they asked this on the field they say are you coachable so I ask you the same
are you coachable so I ask you the same thing Pastor are you coachable I'm
thing Pastor are you coachable I'm coachable say less I'm going to give you
coachable say less I'm going to give you some instructions to sign us off out of
some instructions to sign us off out of here
here uh previous guest some got it some
uh previous guest some got it some didn't yeah um and we're going to start
didn't yeah um and we're going to start with this camera right here yes we going
with this camera right here yes we going to then go to this camera right here got
to then go to this camera right here got it and then we're going to finish with
it and then we're going to finish with that camera right there in the middle I
that camera right there in the middle I got it all right when I say all together
got it all right when I say all together we're going to say one love Pastor when
we're going to say one love Pastor when I say all together we going to say one
I say all together we going to say one love say less one hand
love say less one hand out one
out one finger May the force be with
finger May the force be with you I got it he trained me trying why
you I got it he trained me trying why you talking I'm you're not a patient
you talking I'm you're not a patient coach I ain't God come on now I ain't
coach I ain't God come on now I ain't God no but you a coach just pray for me
God no but you a coach just pray for me no go come on Coach me pray for me where
no go come on Coach me pray for me where the finger come on where you at which
the finger come on where you at which one I don't know I'm here we go one
one I don't know I'm here we go one finger one
finger one pinky one thumb all together one love oh
pinky one thumb all together one love oh come on Pastor you got come on I know
come on Pastor you got come on I know come on I know y'all can do better than
come on I know y'all can do better than that I know y'all can do better than
that I know y'all can do better than that here we go one finger one pinky one
that here we go one finger one pinky one thumb all together one love take you go
thumb all together one love take you go I got it we good we good pastor
I got it we good we good pastor [Applause]
[Applause] thank you brother thank you my man I
thank you brother thank you my man I appreciate you
appreciate you [Music]
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