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This podcast episode features a discussion about recent events and experiences, including a trip to Alaska, observations on TwitchCon, and the evolving landscape of online content creation and its associated controversies.
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Are we starting? People really missed you.
you.
>> They did. I think uh I didn't read a lot
of messages, but I think, you know, I
opened Twitter for a little bit and
people were like, "Where are you?" I was
like, "I closed Twitter again." That's
>> Oh, man.
>> That's where it's That's where it's at.
It is felt good. Are we actually starting?
starting?
>> Roll the intro now.
Chance, welcome back to the podcast. How
you doing, man?
>> It's I'm doing I'm doing better than
>> I haven't seen you in like 3 weeks. I'm
doing better than I've ever done. >> Really?
>> Really?
>> It felt so good to not be here. >> Oh.
>> Oh.
>> And be in this. This was the longest
>> I mean, I'm not even streaming yet, but
this is the longest disconnect I've ever
had in my streaming life in the past
what 15, 16, whatever the [ __ ] years.
>> It's been a long time.
>> And I feel I get to be a spectator. And
I'm watching all this [ __ ] and I'm just
a spectator. And it's [ __ ] hilarious
and also [ __ ] up. mostly hilarious.
Everything going on. Yeah,
>> except the Emmy thing. That's not I
should I should clarify that's not
that's not funny.
>> It's not.
>> But everything else hysterical and I'm
just laughing my ass off.
>> Oh my god. So like you've been you've
been you've been AFK for how long now?
Three weeks. >> Uh
>> Uh
>> four weeks.
>> Well, from the podcast, I haven't even
been on this podcast for two weeks.
>> So it must been longer than that streaming.
streaming.
>> So I went to Alaska. That's why and I
got COVID afterwards.
>> You know that's not real.
>> It is real.
>> Are you sure? People in the comments are
saying skill issue.
>> You know what
>> that means? Everyone must have got CO
that was on the cruise then.
>> So I got co That's the thing. I got CO
and I started feeling a little No, Vicki
started feeling it first. She's like I'm
not feeling too well. And we have a
flight the next day. So I'm like, "Oh shit."
shit."
>> Oh, super spreader.
>> We got to get home. Well, you know, the
the selfish part the selfish part of me
is thinking we got to get home quick
because she's going to start feeling
sick. I'm not even thinking about
spread. I was going to get her ass home.
And then in the airport, I started
eating something in the airport. I'm like,
>> is it the airport food? Is it
>> this way? Where else would you go? You
have to go home.
>> You're right. There's there's no solution.
solution.
>> Yeah, you just really have to get go
home in Alaska.
>> We were in Alaska on a [ __ ] boat.
>> How do you get co in Alaska? I thought
it was too cold for that [ __ ] to pass.
>> It's not how the the uh casino. It had
to have been the casino on the cruise.
>> Okay. We were We were
>> touching chips and touching your mouth.
Big. Yes.
>> A lot of physically sick people. A lot
of mentally sick people.
>> You're right.
>> What are you saying? People who gamble
are mentally sick, Finn.
>> I actually [ __ ] So, on the Patreon,
there's a lot of like Alaska footage.
I'm sure you're going to put it up.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Um, but there was one I maybe have sent
it to. I probably didn't. There was a
lady that was h, you know, like you hit
your screen when they're like getting
excited. They're in the bonus. They're
just like old and they're hitting the
screen. You ever seen that? >> Sure.
>> Sure.
>> This girl was standing up and was she
was hitting it and I watched her
transition from hitting it to a fist. >> Why?
>> Why?
>> She was I don't know, man.
>> Wait, this is on a This is on a boat.
>> It's on a boat.
>> So So let me get this straight. You went
to Alaska? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> To get on a boat to go to a casino.
>> Well, okay.
Well, keep in mind the casino is only
open when you're not anywhere but the boat.
boat.
>> The boat isn't just staying in one spot, >> right?
>> right?
>> So, you get on the boat and you go to
Alaska port number one. And I don't know
the names of any of these places. Alaska
port number two and then number three.
And in between these ports, you're technically
technically
>> not like like they you can only gamble
in the ocean. I think gambling is
illegal in a lot of these ports or
wherever in different states. So, so you
have to the casino is open when you've
when you're a certain distance from the
land. Okay.
>> And then there's a whole lot of [ __ ]
nothing to do because you're a certain
distance from the land.
>> What is on this boat besides this?
>> They had a massage place. A [ __ ] ton of
old people. I mean, dude, I It was It
was like the DMV on crack. It was old
and smelly and
>> Oh, it smelled.
>> Yes. Old farts.
Not even kidding.
>> So, you're So, let me get this straight.
You went through Alaska. Okay.
>> Mhm. to go on a cruise where you could
gamble when you're far away from shore
to hang out with old people who were
[ __ ] themselves the whole time.
>> Played bingo
>> and you got co
>> I did.
>> And you paid money for this.
>> I paid a lot of money for this.
>> I WENT WITH MY DAD and it was great.
>> Why would you go to the Alaska cruise
and not like the icon of the seas?
>> My dad wanted to [ __ ] go to Alaska.
He wanted He wanted nature. The original
plan was New Zealand. >> Was
>> Was
>> Yeah. New [ __ ] Zealand. And you know
what? I'm sure there's some great [ __ ]
there. I'm sure there is.
>> That's a Lord of the Rings's film.
>> Yeah, that that's the only thing that
enticed Vicki and I, but it's a [ __ ]
18 hour flight there. That
>> ain't that bad.
>> It's about 15. It's It's up there.
>> I mean, it's not it's not that hard to I
go to the Philippines all the time.
>> You sleep on the plane. I cannot
>> Oh, you can't.
>> Okay. And I I'm not Listen, I'm not
Felix. I am economy if I'm lucky. All
right. I ain't doing no first class.
Because you're not using your travel
points with your credit card.
>> [ __ ] our travel points.
>> I I haven't paid for a flight in almost
10 years.
>> The [ __ ]
>> My my Twitchcon flight was free.
>> Did Twitch pay for it?
>> No. Well, obviously not.
>> What do you mean obviously not? Why not?
>> They don't do that anymore. >> What?
>> What?
>> Unless you're like Extremely.
>> But Extremely, bro. Even last year got
paid to go to TwitchCon and I did not.
And I had the biggest streams there.
>> That's stupid. Okay, but what event was
he doing there?
>> Wait, hold on. E-B I ran into him.
People have said, "Hey, you got to get
Robb the podcast." I don't know. Maybe
episode 15. We're on 14. Yeah. Said,
"What's up? Let's go on the podcast."
Euph said no. He told me no. >> Why?
>> Why?
>> He said podcasts are lame and it's awkward.
awkward.
>> He said lame and awkward. Or did he say that's
that's >> gay?
>> gay?
>> He said it's gay.
>> Okay. Well, you know what?
>> You went to the wrong person. You got to
go to the Angelo to get to Eric.
>> You're right. But I'm so charming. I
thought he'd say yes right away, but he
just gave me he gave me that look.
>> E- Rob just does his own thing, you know.
know.
>> No, he doesn't. Yeah, he does.
>> Yeah, he does. You know what? Sure. He
does his own thing. More so, it sounds
like he's just a test subject of his viewers.
viewers.
>> I would love to see Eric's finances
because he spent the last 10 years
trying his hardest not to grow on
Twitch. That's going to cost him when
he's like 45.
>> It really truly is. He ain't making the
money T1's making. Okay.
>> He's a test subject of his viewers.
>> There's no way he woke up and said, "I'm
going to dig water out of a bathtub with
a spoon."
>> He did not say, "I'm going to do this.
It'll be fun."
>> No. So, you know, to be fair, and again,
I probably get paid for this talking
[ __ ] about you, Rob. Okay. I love Eric.
Good friend of mine, right? But I'm I
haven't streamed in three months. My sub
count's down to the 900s, right? >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> I have more subs than he does.
>> He does. He's what, >> bro?
>> bro?
God help Eric. That's all I got to say.
>> Oh, no.
>> 10 years. God help him.
>> And they make him dig water out of a bathtub
bathtub
>> with a spoon.
>> And they all have ad block. You know,
every single ear robber is ad blocking
the [ __ ] out of it.
>> Oh, man. That's unfortunate. He's got a
kid, too, and he's not getting any
money. Oh, man. Oo,
>> that's rough.
>> Either ways, back to last back to the
cruise, cuz this is interesting. So,
>> okay, you're on this cruise with a whole
bunch of old people.
>> They're so old. I played bingo, man. We
won, too.
>> Of course, cuz the old people were stupid.
stupid.
>> Wait. Well, yes. Actually, it was
annoying cuz while we're playing bingo,
they kept saying bingo and they didn't
have it. So, you play like you do five
different rounds. Okay. The first round
it's you have to get uh a line going
horizontal. They're very particular. has
to be a horizontal line and it can't be
the free space for example. Like they'll
have weird rules like that first round.
>> They diagonal [ __ ] straight vertical
top down like no that's not how. So
constantly bingo they have to go check
it like what and they put on their
reading glasses.
>> Oh it's not. So second round same [ __ ]
So it's constantly getting
>> it's Dude I I I'll be honest. I really
don't like old people.
>> Oh god. I don't like their they and and
it's not their fault, but it also is
their fault. So, that's how I felt. A
lot of bingo, a lot of uh casino
gambling slots.
>> So, did you have fun?
>> I had a blast, man. We can talk about
the actual Alaska like nature.
>> So, you did go outside. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. So, it wasn't just the boat.
>> Yeah, we went dog sledding. WE WENT >> WHAT?
>> WHAT?
>> YEAH, we went dog sledding. We
>> with with huskys.
>> They're not deep huskys. They're
actually more like mixed breed, but they
are professional dogs. M
>> there was one dog we saw that was
retired but had been
>> That's I actually was watching. So we're
on this dog sled, right?
>> Shocking the dogs.
>> Weren't shocking dogs.
>> Mush. We There was one dog that was
There's like 18 dogs pulling this. It's
not on snow. It's on wheels. And
>> we did the Ida rod. Yeah. >> What?
>> What?
>> You did the Ida rod. >> Huh?
>> Huh?
>> That's like the most famous dog sled
race in the world. You would know that
if you're educated, but it's okay.
>> Do you feel smarter?
>> I do because you know what it is. Go ahead.
ahead.
>> All right. So, we're on this uh cart and
we've got this musher in front of us.
And the whole point of this is
>> all of these dogs are professional
>> dog sled dogs, right? The y
>> and uh they basically go here as weight
training and the tourists who come in
pay a lot of money and we're essentially weights.
weights.
>> Yeah. Training them. Yeah.
>> So, yes.
>> They love that. The dogs love it, by Oh,
they [ __ ] love it.
>> It's the best.
>> And I was watching and this was actually
after or maybe this was slightly before
the whole Hassan thing. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And I saw the musher get out cuz one of
the dogs was misbehaving and he was like
he was, you know, the dogs are side by
side. And this dog was I guess not
biting but growling and swirling, kind
of playing with one of them and
distracting the other dogs, whatever. So
he yells at the dog and eventually he
had to get he had to stop the whole
thing. He had to get I said, "Excuse me,
everyone." Cuz there's like six of us in
front of it. And he got in the dog's
face, clapped really loud, and was like,
"Hey." And he was kind of angry. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And all I could think about, if Twitch
chat saw this, they would say it's abuse.
abuse.
>> Yeah. I mean,
>> that's what I thought when I saw this.
That being said, shot collars,
>> I there's not a lot of situations where
it makes sense to use one.
>> But you do have to discipline dogs. I
just I just see the both sides of it
>> frustrates me cuz
>> you got to discipline dogs.
>> There was times back, you know, me and
Buddy, we we'd get in like pretty much fights.
fights. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Like that dog like man, he really at
some point he thought he was running
this [ __ ] >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And I'm like, buddy, listen here, man.
You know, we got we got to go one for
one, you know. I had to show him who his boss.
boss. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and take him out a couple
times back.
>> He'll go on TikTok and they'll be like,
"You need to do positive reinforcement."
And you should do positive
reinforcement. beats Jeff's dog.
>> Wherever you can do positive
reinforcement, you should.
>> But if you there's a time where you need
to [ __ ] do some negative, you need to
yell at them.
>> Yeah. And that's every time it moves, basically.
basically.
>> See, it has to be right to do it. If
your dog shits inside or if the dog gets
up on your counter and eats all of your
[ __ ] again, yeah, you know what? Put
your dog in their crate or yell at them,
whatever the [ __ ] Don't shot collar.
Don't beat them. But at the same time,
like [ __ ] I don't know. That's that was
my thought process was in the whole thing.
thing. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I just Why? Why a shot caller though?
>> Oh. Oh, you know what? I don't even know.
know.
>> I didn't talk about this on the podcast
before the episode that I was on.
>> We did talk about it, but the thing is like
like
I don't really know what was going on.
>> You didn't know what was going on?
>> I I don't want to make any two comments
cuz I don't get cancelled.
>> Why would you get cancelled? Cuz if you
say one way, then the other side's going
to get you. You say another way, the
other side's going to get you.
>> Do you think I get cancelceled for my
take just a bit ago?
>> 100%. You're done. You're getting fried
in the comments as we speak.
>> You know, you want you're getting
double. I could totally hear why.
>> Okay, go ahead.
>> Cuz I I don't care about I don't care
anymore. I guess you know what I'm saying.
saying.
>> Okay, but you don't care about anything
we're going to talk about today.
>> That's not true. I care about extremely
true. I care about our Patreon, guys.
Make sure you guys subscribe to our
Patreon. We got some crazy good content
coming that way.
>> Yeah. See, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang,
bang, bang. I could totally.
>> No. So, here's the deal. Here's the
deal. You want to
>> He keeps cutting me off this.
>> Okay. Yes. Let me ask you, Hassan, his
dog. You think he did it?
>> Shocked his dog. Yes. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> I think he did shock his dog. And I
think there is I I saw somewhere that
And he wants his dog on that elevated bed.
bed.
>> Um because it helps the dog's joints. I
don't know how true that. I'm not a funny
funny
>> I think that is true cuz I think I think
uh I heard that about Buddy, too. But
something irks me the wrong way that
that area, that bed is perfectly in
place in Cam. Why not have more beds?
>> Maybe so he can just see it.
>> Yeah, there's there's a lot of arguments
that go somewhat in his favor, but at
the same time, I still don't think that
brings up a shot caller as the answer
for something like that.
>> Maybe maybe that's what, you know,
>> it just rubs me the wrong way in
>> the trainer said.
>> And the thing is, I'd listen to a
trainer. I would
I don't see I don't know. I don't know.
But something rubs me the wrong way.
Shot collar place. You know, in a
[ __ ] corner in the room, something
rubs me the wrong way with it.
>> What do you mean place? Is that what he said?
said?
>> That's what he says. Place. That's
actually funny. My trainer was telling
me to use the word place, too.
>> I I have seen a shot. I've seen the clip.
clip.
>> Isn't that crazy? I've gone this whole
time without seeing the clip. I
>> There's a lot of clips.
>> I've not I've seen zero. >> What?
>> What?
>> I I never watch the clip. I read the
title and the comments and I make my
decision based on that.
>> That's stupid.
>> I know.
Okay, that is so dumb. You wonder why
people hate you.
>> Okay, well, yes. Yeah, I guess you're
right. You know,
>> can't wait to go through the comments on
this one.
>> You know, it's it really at the end of
the day, man. You know,
>> he shocked the dog. Did not shut the dog.
dog.
>> He still has 35k views. His his
community still loves him. It was It was
all just so much of yapping and nothing
got accomplished.
>> I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to
say it as a as a someone that feels
honestly like more of a spectator as I
don't do anything. Yeah,
>> that meme is hilarious.
>> Oh, dude. The memes now I've seen, those
are quite funny
>> and I be making jokes about it all the
time now.
>> All the best memes have to derive from
someone getting [ __ ]
>> Yeah. Some sort of tragic
>> serious or at least somewhat serious [ __ ]
[ __ ]
>> Oh yeah.
>> Pirate software. Someone has to be
getting [ __ ]
>> No, he went to TwitchCon.
>> Did he? How'd that
>> I saw him at TwitchCon.
>> Did you say hi?
>> I not I didn't know that guy. I said hi
to him once cuz I was live on stream,
but if I wasn't this last year. Well,
>> but I'm not I'm not I don't know him
that well.
>> Ruined his life, buddy. Congrats.
>> I didn't do anything.
>> You gave him the platform to sabotage
himself. How about that?
>> Yeah, I He's moved on and good for him.
I think
>> uh he's moved on, but his numbers sure
have not. I'll tell you that much.
>> Absolute tank.
>> I don't know. I don't know the details
on that. But
>> something I really wanted to hear, and
you probably saw me, you know, messaging you.
you. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I didn't get to go to TwitchCon this year,
year, >> right?
>> right?
>> I don't think I would have went anyways
to be honest. But if I wanted to, I had
co so I didn't go. Good. Um, good for me.
me. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> I care about people. Um, so tell me
about TwitchCon, Nick, because I have
FOMO. I want you to [ __ ] send me into
the your brain. You just showed up. What
is the NMP law perspective of TwitchCon?
>> My perspective of TwitchCon is going to
be vastly different than everybody else.
>> Okay. Well, let's talk about the
differences and you talk about yours and
blah blah blah.
>> Okay. Um, so this year I went to
TwitchCon for two reasons. two reasons
only. Number one, it was Catch's first time.
time. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> She wanted to see it. And number two, I
had a show to do with Extremly on
Sunday, the final day.
>> It was two big jobs.
>> And uh Finn was going.
>> I saw you made that. Also,
coincidentally, so uh Finn was like,
"Hey, I'm on this plane, this plane to
TwitchCon." So, I bought tickets. It was
the row right next to him. And then our
hotels were right next to like we
literally had the rooms next to each other.
other. >> Damn.
>> Damn. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And we didn't book the or the hotel.
>> Completely random. That's good RNG though.
though.
>> Yeah. So we I spent a lot of time with Finn.
Finn.
>> That's awesome.
>> And his uh friend Ren. >> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> Okay. Go on.
>> I was using. Yep. And uh you know so
from my perspective so at TwitchCon had
TwitchCon chance as you know has changed
over the years from what it was. So the
the Twitch
>> let me say what I >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I did go
>> what? Two years ago, three years ago
maybe four year. I don't know.
>> It's been a while. Uh, I remember at the
time I was long distance with Vicki and
I'm pretty sure we were playing WoW
together and I was hurrying back to my
hotel constantly.
>> I think you went for uh some OTK we had
to do, right?
>> Was it?
>> I think it was cuz you were in the
Hilton. Remember we checked on the
Wi-Fi, checked the good internet. I was
there. We were both awkward.
>> That was TwitchCon.
>> That was TwitchCon.
>> Was it? See, I don't see that. This is
how disconnected and the other
>> remember we had two hotel rooms because
Twitch gave us one for free and then OTK
got us one and we were checking the Wi-Fi
Wi-Fi
>> maybe. I I just remember being at
TwitchCon, everyone. It It felt like a
Mcrafter convention.
>> So, it's not like that at all anymore.
So, so here's the thing about
>> past the Mcrafter, we're now into what?
>> Uh, okay. So, we got Let's elaborate on
that one real quick. Okay.
>> So, the people that populate these
things are usually
uh the viewers that are like the most
populated like on Twitter. It Let me
explain how that works. So, back when
you're talking about the Mcrafter, right?
right?
>> Okay. Those guys, they were massive. >> Huge.
>> Huge.
>> 80,000 views. Every tweet had 100,000
likes, right? Boom. They've all fallen
off. They're gone.
>> That's how it goes.
>> They're gone. They No one's there
anymore, you know? But now it's like
very very very very like W
>> like W ccentric.
>> So we're past the Minecraft. We're now
on the
>> W because again, that's who's getting
the most likes on Twitter and those who
show up. Okay. Um, you know, so it's a
lot different this time than what it
used to be because when we first started
going to TwitchCon years ago, it was a
tight-knit circle. Okay. There's
probably a few thousand partners. Now
there's 71,000 Twitch partners.
>> Yeah, it's it's
>> okay. It's insane. Okay. So,
>> is that actually the number? 71,000.
>> 71,000 including this guy who just got
it. So, congrats to I got it yesterday.
>> You're part of the problem.
>> Go on.
>> Okay. So,
>> so the the aura of TwitchCon. Okay. Like
it's it's shifted over time and you see
a lot of people on Twitter complaining
about it like co and the older
generations, you know.
>> I saw that co tweet. I agree with it though.
though. >> Uh
>> Uh
>> you know what tweet I'm talking about?
>> Yeah. You want to talk about it after we
>> No, after Okay, we'll bring that one up
there too. So
>> ADHD over here.
>> Um so it's a lot different um the
TwitchCon vibe. Now my experience is
going to be different from like somebody
else cuz I'm not going to toot my own
horn, but I'm NP law. Okay. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> I go there, I'm stopped every 5 seconds.
I'm taking hundreds of photos. Yes.
>> Oh [ __ ] Okay.
>> S signing autographs. That's hilarious. Um
Um
>> I don't think I would get stopped if I
would. I don't think I would. I actually don't.
don't.
>> I promise you would cuz people people
that talk about me and you. So of course
they'd stop you as well.
>> Um but yeah, so you know the same thing
for me. It it was like so what you do is
I go there, I meet the fans who want to
meet me. Okay.
>> I sign the pictures. I do my show. Uh, I
walk around with maybe say some Omega
laws or get some Omega laws on some meet
and greet.
>> Hell no. >> Okay,
>> Okay,
>> that's how you get attacked because they
know where you are, what time.
>> You're right.
>> You know, I'm not doing a meet and
greet. So, and then of course it's about
the parties. You know, you go to the
parties with your friends.
>> What parties were there this time?
>> Uh, there was a stream elements one.
There was a a mythic one. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Um, there was a uh unlimited IRL one.
>> That's okay. Surprising. There was other
ones too that I didn't go to, but there
was a whole bunch of them.
>> That's surpris. So, the parties I know
of when I go, it' always be like a
Discord party or a Steel Series party
>> or Corsair party. Nope.
>> See, like that those kind of brand.
>> Those guys have all ran out of money.
>> Oh, [ __ ]
>> Yeah. They're done.
>> But yeah, streaming IRL backpack guys.
>> Yeah. And I And I know them very well,
you know.
>> That's crazy. Okay.
>> So, like all these people like I own
Mythic. I was like one of the first
clients from Unlimited IRL. Yeah.
>> So, like I'm not kidding, man. I'm
treated like a king. I'm not kidding. VIP.
VIP.
>> They didn't pay for your [ __ ] flights though.
though.
>> No, no, they did not.
Near Near did I
>> When I get there, you know,
>> they pay for your hotel.
>> No, no, no.
>> But they did give him and thus us
wristbands for free drinks all night.
And that totals, if you're somebody like me,
me,
>> $5,000, maybe.
>> That's stupid.
>> I don't even remember.
>> So, like, for example, like when I mean
king treatment. So, when you go, you
ever been to a club and there's like
bottle service like roped off areas?
>> Yes. They're like, and people were
sitting there and they're like, "Nick,
if you want one, we'll kick someone out
for you."
>> Oh god.
>> You know, things like that. And I'm
like, I'm like, "No, it's cool cuz I
don't feel like sitting down anyways cuz
I'm up walking around the whole time."
>> The thing is, I bet when they ask that,
they don't expect you to say yes.
>> Yeah, maybe.
>> Cuz they're like, "Yes, I would like for
you to kick someone out." And they're
like, "Oh, that one."
>> Them be gone.
>> Get them out of here. Like, oh, [ __ ]
>> But even then, even then, like uh you
know, you know, I'm going up to like uh
get my wristband or whatever and
everyone's like, "What's your name?" and
they just know me, so I get it, you
know. So, it's great, you know. That's
great. A little bit of an ego stroke. I
need that. That's fair. Depressed a
little bit, you know. Feels good, man.
So, that's my experience.
>> All right. [ __ ] the parties. Yeah.
>> TwitchCon, what was what were people
doing there?
>> So, the vibe of TwitchCon this year that
a lot of people
>> Was it the same venue where you guys
>> Yeah, same one. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> No one sucked my nipple this time.
>> Okay. So, it still had that big outdoor
area with all the art and [ __ ]
>> Yep. Yep. So this time uh around the
block it was a lot different. Okay, cuz
I've talked about this on this podcast
before. The culture shift in America has
changed. Okay, there's
>> it's just in America, but go on.
>> Well, data says it kind of is. >> Okay,
>> Okay,
>> you know, um but it's happening, you
know, everywhere too, right? Because
everyone wants to be streamers, but more
so kind of, you know, here. So, if you
looked around the con, and I'm just
going to speak freely, it was just a
whole bunch of who megal with their
cameramen like trying to stream. [ __ ] squires.
squires.
>> Yeah. I don't know about squires.
>> Well, squires being someone to hold the
camera for them.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, they had squires.
>> So, if you remember like the evolution
of the bags, like remember the first
time it was just like maybe like 10 of
us had it. Like you had one.
>> It was a big deal to have a bag.
>> Big deal.
>> Cuz it was expensive. It was really
costly per month. And you better be
paying that with view count.
>> It still is expensive. So, I I don't
know how these people are getting these
these 20k bags. I don't understand where
>> maybe. It was uh and it was just like so many
many
uh like streamers walking around, you
know, and then you saw the clips on
Twitter with, you know, some of the
toxic guys trying to clip farm.
>> I didn't look at Twitter.
>> Oh, you haven't seen it? Yeah. There's
been like a few of these guys who are
notoriously like um you know, sticking
the camera people's faces, you know,
trying to get reactions. But there was a
lot more streamers this time at
TwitchCon than normal. Normally
TwitchCon's supposed to be about like like
like
>> viewers get to meet the streamers.
>> Yeah. And now it's more like more
streamers because everyone's going like,
"Oh, this is where I should go. This is
>> everyone's a streamer now,
>> right? This is how I'm going to go like
uh you know, grow my stream." You know,
like imagine you go to a Super Bowl, but
in the Super Bowl it's like instead of
just the teams playing, everyone's
playing football. You know, it's just
it' be kind of weird. You know, the
biggest difference to me by far is
exactly that. It was the amount of
camera guys. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I remember showing up.
>> Yeah. I'm not used to that.
>> There's a few of us cameramen. Even last
year there were
>> the term squire. The term squires. Bunch
of squires and they were all Nick's
right. All young. Everyone had TVU units.
units. >> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> Is insane. Everybody had FX3 cameras
with Sony G Master lenses. How expensive
are those?
>> Like 7K for one camera and lens.
>> Yeah. And like the mic
>> and the backpack's like 20k a pop.
>> Yeah. So every we had at least 50
$30,000 setups. People super young. I'd
never seen them. Maybe I'm probably out
of town.
>> Did you check any of their view counts? Like
Like >> 42?
>> 42?
>> No, I never checked. 42 viewers.
>> That's if I'm guessing
>> actually around 42.
>> Just go to the section and look around. But
But
>> exactly. I was curious like maybe like
like it's a who, but then you check and
it's like what the [ __ ] 4,000.
>> I pretty much know like you know who
gets like you know 4k plus views.
>> So you didn't know who any of these
people were.
>> There was a few of them that I knew, you
know, but it's just it's just different.
Like for example,
>> you should have you know we should have
interviewed them, man.
>> We should have done like our PAX video
and be like, "Hey, we were interviewing
streamers that we don't [ __ ] recognize."
recognize."
>> We can do it next year if they even have
a Twitch account, which they probably
won't, but You're right. And looking at
this co-weet, I have not seen this. He
says, "I will not be attending any
future Twitchcons without a full ban on
IRL uh around and inside the convention.
Sorry, my time meeting the people I love
to game with is not your content.
I say this with the utmost respect.
Kindly [ __ ] off recording. Anyone who
does not explicitly accept that they
will be on your stream." Wow. Yeah. I
want I I bet he had some [ __ ]
annoying kid just come up and shove
their camera in your face.
>> I don't I don't know. Maybe. Um, like
the thing that annoys me the most and
irks me is you don't get a feel of how
much of a pest someone is being when
you're looking through the camera lens,
but then you look at it from the
outside, you see that little [ __ ] just
holding the camera getting in your face.
Hey, are you gay? And then it's getting
and it's like you are a pest. And so
it's just it hits different when it's
actually there. And then you read on
like not streaming at a streamer
convention and I I get
>> but the problem is like I get it but
>> at the same time like how about y'all
just not be [ __ ] [ __ ]
>> But also sometimes it's just too much
>> you know like it's like you don't you
it's just too much you know if
>> like if everyone's just live at the con
you know. I didn't even stream this
time. I really didn't.
>> No, you're right.
>> You know, and and the thing is like I'm
going to be honest, guys, you know, as
like a content guy myself, it's really
not the best content to walk around the TwitchCon.
TwitchCon.
>> I was sitting there watching uh I think
it was SAN cuz I was curious who to
watch. And I remember it really brought
me back to the last time I was at
TwitchCon and streaming and I was like,
how do I tell everyone I don't want to
[ __ ] take a picture with you while
I'm streaming because it is inconveniencing
inconveniencing
>> 20,000 people. If we were to give a net
value of inconvenience points, yes, I
will satisfy you and your 50 points of
happiness that you've gained. But if you
were to subtract 0.1 point of happiness
from every viewer that now has to see
this stupid picture taken for the
50th,000th time,
>> there's an overall net inc or decrease, right?
right?
>> The problem is though, at first
>> it was interesting to watch people take
uh pictures cuz they would call back in
the day cuz this is before any of the W
community existed.
famous for the first time,
>> right? The fact that that happened back
then, people are like, "Whoa, it's
cool." Right?
>> So, like, so last year when I did, by
the way, I was on a generational run,
okay? Like if you look at my stats from
last year, it was unmatched. Even no one
even got close this year to these
numbers, you know, and the re and let me
tell you why, but I figured it out. It's
not about the con. It's about making
content around the con, you know, like
doing things in the city that's around
it. Now,
>> you're saying you had the best run, like
the best TwitchCon streaming
>> of my career. Yeah, for sure. Best
TwitchCon streaming.
>> Yeah. So, like for example, like like
the road trip I did, like I aaged
something like 35,000 viewers on the
road trip there, you know, and then it
was but but the con itself
>> was the worst of the four streams. The
one that you watched where the guy
licked my nipple.
>> Yeah, they were pretty [ __ ] stale, >> right?
>> right?
>> It was all pretty stale,
>> right? But but people don't
>> I remember calling cuz I felt bad.
>> You gave me little quests to to do,
right? Cuz it wasn't It's not It's
picture central, right?
>> It's pretty boring.
>> It's boring. It is, but the people don't
seem to understand that nowadays. And
it's just like, you know, thousands of
people streaming to like whatever. It's
not good. That's why like, you know,
like like some people don't even show
up, you know, like obviously Kai's not
there. The face kids don't show up, you know.
know. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, it's it's just not good
content. You know, it's done. It's been
done. It's over. And CO is a little bit
right because it is annoying because
like the small smaller guys haven't
don't understand that yet.
>> Well, it's new to them,
>> right? But but
>> things that we've seen over and over,
it's a new thing for them. But that but
that's why people like Co and me and you
who've been there so many times are
like, "Okay, this is no longer our
thing." Yeah.
>> You know, the new and the thing is the
truth is
>> they're going to stop going too cuz
they're going to be like, "Oh, wait. No
one's here anymore. Oh, this sucks." And
you know what that is? It's like when
things get too popular, that's when
things start to die. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> that's how it typically goes.
>> Yeah. And it's just it's kind of sad cuz
remember back in the day that like the
the partner parties, man, you knew every
single [ __ ] in that room, dude. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> You're like, "Oh, there's the Hearstone
guy, you know? Oh, there's there's the
League of Legends guy.
>> You know, you knew everybody in there.
>> That brings me to Co's other tweet.
We're gonna bring up Co Carnage tweets.
He tweeted again. This is the only tweet
I saw and I think I saw it on LSF, I
think, is the reason I saw it. basically
talking about how it's unrealistic to
get rid of the just chatting section
because it would be not smart
business-wise. But if he had his choice,
he would make a new website cuz
essentially people who were on Twitch
back in the day. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> For more, you know, gaming oriented
reasons, we lost our home. Our home is gone.
gone.
>> It is. It's been no it's kind of been
replaced and it's getting overshadowed
by everything else and it's kind of
getting just shoved in the it's
>> so the thing about this take about
splitting up Twitch in the gaming and IR
>> it's not realistic. You can't
>> number one it would kill the gaming
section so much [ __ ] faster.
>> Actually I don't if you split here's
what I think might this could happen. If
you were to split it I actually could
almost see IRL dying because you don't
have your chronically online gaming
thriving people communitywise. They're
not there anymore. and the W kids. I
think here's the thing. Here's the
thing. No one who's gaming is growing.
No one is going to search
>> because the just chatting section has all
all
>> I'm telling you now. It's cuz people I'm
telling I see the stats on this the
culture shift. People don't care
anymore. They they don't want to watch
people play games. They want to be
streamers now. So, you're not going to
get any more new people that are going
to watch Sodapoppin and Coplay games.
And you can tell this by your
>> the new people who came in could have
been gamers.
>> No, they can't be.
>> I think the I think the the community
would just crumble without gaming communities.
communities.
>> I don't think so. I think people are
online. They're chronically.
>> The reason it's not is because like you
can look at things like Tik Tok live
where people aren't playing games but
they're still doing IRL stuff and
they're still
>> communities don't thrive there though
like a Twitch community did
>> which I mean kind of but it's it's a
different sort of community. But I'm
telling you like in terms of growth
chance I promise you
>> I'm not going to disagree with you
completely. I don't know.
>> So even with them combined the website
is still dying. Okay. So so take apart
the only part of it that actually gets
new users to the website it is over is
>> say it again. I spaced out. What?
>> So So Twitch right now with both of them
combined IRL and gaming. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> It's dying.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> And the only new users
are coming from this IRL stuff.
>> Yeah. the gaming people walk in like,
"Oh, this place isn't for me." And they
it's it
>> I don't I don't know if that's the case.
>> I I see your point. I see your stats.
When you when you open up
>> I think I think you underestimate how
much gaming communities are shunned and
not cared about because the thing to
care about is the IRL stuff,
>> right? So they they'll just care about
it on the other platform. >> What?
>> What?
>> Like you're right. The IRL stuff is what
is to care about, right?
>> Well, you get two different platforms
now. You have all the people who
actually type and interact,
>> but who's going to go there? You see
what I'm saying? Like,
>> you're probably right.
>> There's no new people seeking that out.
>> You're probably
>> I mean, the stats prove it. Like, you
can look at like co's followers, your followers.
followers.
>> You're annoyingly probably right.
>> Yeah. This is what I do in my free time.
I I crunch numbers.
>> Okay. Crunching numbers, but also you're
just a massive [ __ ]
>> Yeah. Next up. >> So,
>> So,
no, but it's a good topic, you know, and
but but don't get me wrong, I think it
was better when it was gaming oriented.
It it I'm
>> Can I tell you why? Let me tell why. Let
me tell you why. Okay. So So yesterday,
okay, me and Catchy played this game
together called uh when you're you're
like you're climbing up the mountain,
whatever it is.
>> Uh Candy Peak. Peak, not Candy. Candy
Mountain, you know.
>> No, it was a game. Peak. Okay. It was
called Peak. Okay. >> Sure.
>> Sure.
>> And she was playing on her alt channel.
She had like maybe peak maybe 700
viewers, something like that, right?
Which is pretty good for an alt.
>> Yep. And man, cool. It was probably one
of the most fun streams I've had in a
long time. Okay. Because we were just
playing the game. We got like a whole
bunch of clips. Like the Discords were
loving it. Everyone's like, "Dude, that
was so fun." like Reddit posts about
just this gameplay, you know, and that
to me,
>> you know, that that little 500 viewer
stream that we did was way more
satisfying than most of my, you know, 10
plusk streams I do because it's more
>> your 10k plus streams are in just
chatting and that's where the clicks go.
>> That's where the money is, right? It's
not about getting shot
>> that and the money.
>> Yeah. But
>> actually, no, there there is money in
the gaming world.
>> Oh, yes. Yeah, that's true. But I mean,
for me, I'm talking about for me
personally. I understand.
>> Yeah. But no, I'm telling you like I I
think the gaming stuff is fun. But like
nowadays a lot of the IRL stuff that
people do Chance is just them streaming
their daily life.
>> No, a lot of them. Yeah. Watch Canoot.
>> Okay. Sure. Canoot I think does do a lot
of that. But most IRL streamers are
absolutely not giving a It's more like
reality TV. Reality TV is not reality.
It is not. Everyone knows they're on
camera and they are trying to entertain
and they're trying to avoid the boring [ __ ]
[ __ ]
>> Maybe at the top. Yeah. But like
>> not even at the top.
>> I don't know. Even the 1k viewers,
they're not doing their laundry.
>> If you just watch Arthur,
>> I don't watch Arthur.
>> I mean, he's a good friend of mine,
great guy. He really is just kind of
just living a normal life. Like, hey,
I'm going to go out to dinner and but
instead of going out to dinner for an
hour, he's there for three hours
yapping. You know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah. See, that's not dinner. That's not
real realist. Who's he going with?
>> This people.
>> Okay. I mean, and they're all they all
know they're going to be on stream. It's
a whole stream event. The whole thing is
planned. It is now a stream. It's just
not reality. It's not full on reality,
>> but I'm also saying like it's also like
not like super like produced,
>> you know?
>> It's not like I I'm not a big fan of the
way the new IRLs are going anyways either.
either.
>> It is it's it is produced, but it's not
as produced as one would think.
>> Yeah. You know, it's
>> But either way, man, like I I do think
though, and this is good for you, I do
think it's a circle, you know, like it's
cyclical. And I think that gaming uh
uh
>> maybe has a comeback.
>> Could could have a comeback
>> because because I'm telling you like the
IRAL stuff again, this is what I do like
just chatting.
>> It it's getting to a point where it's
like it's it's been done before. It's overplayed.
overplayed.
>> You know, everyone has seen it, so I
think it's going to get boring.
>> Here's here's where I'm thinking. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I got Only Fangs 3 coming up at some
point, I'm sure. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> How do I get these W [ __ ] to play
World of Warcraft?
>> So, you don't
>> How do I get them to do it?
>> I don't think you should. Why not?
>> Because, man, this is and I hate talking
about this sort of stuff because
everyone's I hate giving my opinion
because I don't want to like defend it
against idiots, but I'll give it anyways.
anyways.
>> Like the the W viewers, they come,
they're excited, and they're gone.
>> Yeah. They don't last, >> right?
>> right?
>> They're not chronically online. They're
not really
>> No, no, they're not like they they
they're like they're doing things like,
"Okay, LeBron's here. I'm there. No
LeBron, I'm gone."
>> You know,
>> they're I mean, it's a good example.
>> They're hype viewers. They like they
really are. So I would rather you do
only fangs and get the Tyler one autist
viewers, the forcen viewers.
>> You get them all, man. You get them all.
>> You got to get that one W [ __ ] that
represents the W's, you know. Hey, can
these guys work a keyboard?
>> Okay, I think they can.
>> I don't know if they [ __ ] can. I see
them on Xbox controllers playing Madden
and then that is it.
>> Oh, I play on the sticks, too. Okay,
>> I can I can stick up. Yeah, but can they
keyboard? I don't think they can.
>> But the thing is, most genuinely, am I
wrong? Most of them don't know what
World of Warcraft is, bro.
>> Yeah, you're right. It's But the thing
is, it's one of the most nerdiest
[ __ ] names.
>> You might be You might get agent. Maybe
he'll play. You can ask him.
>> Just I need someone that is so deep in
the W world that is willing to play
World of Warcraft, >> man.
>> man.
I'm not even willing to sit there and
stream that game for 10 hours a day.
>> I They They've got to be running out of
things to do. It's a real easy stream
every day. You go live, you play WoW for
eight hours, you whine and [ __ ] and
turn it off.
>> Put the init out there and maybe Kyle
will show up. Okay,
>> Kyle. Okay,
>> speed ain't coming
>> cuz he's going to Africa and he's going
to Russia. He doesn't have time for this.
this.
>> He's actually It's actually crazy
traveling. So, you didn't tell me um
what was Catch's opinion on TwitchCon?
You took her. It was her first time.
Vicki wants to see it, too.
>> I don't know if I even asked her, man.
Low key.
>> Vicki wants to go to the next TwitchCon.
We we have this sort of relationship
where it's like we have certain roles
assigned and this is a consensual like
like the men do the talking you know she
>> Okay.
>> Her friends of course guys.
>> That's crazy. How did she
>> That's a joke.
>> I understand. Yeah.
>> What the [ __ ] does she think about
TwitchCon though if it's not a joke?
>> I think she had fun because this was the
first time
>> you think or you know. Did she not tell you?
you?
>> She did, but let me tell you, I forgot.
So, uh, this is this is the time where
she has been like, "Oh my god, you want
me to sign something?" Remember the
first time doing that? Something weird.
Someone's taking a picture and they're
shaking. They're so nervous.
>> Yes, it's weird,
>> you know. Yeah, it's cool the experience
for the first time. Me, I'm so used to
it now. Really? But for her, it was uh
it was >> humbling.
>> humbling.
>> Some people hate me, right? But I'm
being honest, being true.
>> Okay, true. So, um, that's why, you
know, for her, I think she liked it. She
had fun. She got to meet new people. Um,
you know, she got to travel. We love San
Diego. You know, that's where it's uh
>> Did y'all do anything in San Diego
besides TwitchCon? >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> What' you do? Disneyland.
>> I stayed in a hotel room all day
Saturday and I think so did this guy. So
>> So hung over.
>> Yeah. Saturday was brutal, dude.
>> So y'all got real [ __ ] up.
>> Oh yeah, it was bad. I went to Nou
twice, you know, with I went with Cutie
Cinderella externally, you know.
Basically, the only way I'm going back
is if we do a live episode of Punching
Down on the TwitchCon stage.
>> Not doing that,
>> dude. The only I remember my last
TwitchCon getting [ __ ] up at my last
TwitchCon. I took Molly
>> and I just talked to [ __ ] Player
Unknown for like the whole party. I
think I just annoyed him. I think he
couldn't get rid of me. And I was just
annoying yapping his ear off.
>> That's what it is. That's what Twitch
>> There's no way he didn't know I was on
drugs. He had to cuz I was just I don't
even know the guy. I just followed him
around just yapping.
>> Yeah. And I think I did it to the people
that made Goat Simulator as well.
>> Just constantly on
>> I ran into the CEO of 7TV.
>> What is that?
>> 7TV like you know like the the chat app.
>> I don't know what that is. What is that?
>> Yeah, Bare Twitch TV.
>> I know. Better Twitch TV.
>> It's like Frankerface Z.
>> I know. FFZ. What is 7TV? It's like the
same thing.
>> Oh, I didn't know there was another one
in the game.
>> Another one.
>> Another one.
>> Yeah. Random them. I talked to CEO Dan
Clancy for a while.
>> It's funny. I'm actually going I'm
probably going to be going to the next
TwitchCon. might be the only [ __ ] one
there at this point. But
>> I'll probably go if I have a shortage.
>> Well, there's a lot of controversy. Not
even controversy. I think everyone's
kind of on Em's side cuz she got what it
is, sexually assaulted at the meet and greet.
greet. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, what I remember at the meet and
greets, looking at the video, it looked
just like every other meet and greet
I've ever been to. I don't think they
lowered the security. I think it stayed
the exact [ __ ] same. It's It was just
a matter of time.
>> Exactly. So, there there is a very I've
been saying this before and again, I
always say things that uncomfortable.
people get mad at me. There is nothing
you can really do if if someone was
going to do something to you or not. So,
the thing about this person is they cut
the line, right? And then like people
like, "Oh, you should have been able to
grab him, right?" >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But imagine if he just waited in queue
for his turn. They get this close to the
streamer. There is no one in between them.
them.
>> No. You know, so if someone wants to
lunge in for a kiss or whatever, there's
almost nothing you can do to stop it.
Now, the way that the Twitch handled the
aftermath is atrocious. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. But the problem is like,
>> how do you really stop it?
>> Well, I I I will say Felix or XQC gave a
really You see his recommendation?
>> What did he say?
>> He said,
>> "Shot callers." >> No.
>> No.
>> Get too close to
>> basically. So, you have a you have a
meet and greet. I want to say it's like
what 20 streamers at a time,
>> right? and you have all these lines and
all of them are leading towards a
particular streamer. The streamer should
be on like a small stage, very small
that you have to go up some stairs and
that's it.
>> But but how does that stop someone when
they go up the stairs?
>> Well, you saw the way the guy went like
just cut through across everyone's line.
>> So, right. So, that's to stop that
specific instance.
>> It's like funneling AoE pulls in WoW.
You want to funnel them through one lane.
lane.
>> So, what if he just waited his t his his
time and
>> Oh, you're right. You're right. If he waits,
waits,
>> that's what I'm saying. Like there's
really nothing that you can do to stop it.
it.
>> If he actually just waited in line
>> and did everything normal, Yep. he's
going to get close to that's a meet and
greet. That's what happens.
>> Again, I also got sexual assaulted at
TwitchCon, someone sucked to my nipple
unconsensually. Okay. You know, and I I
listen and the thing is any person I
talked to at TwitchCon, every single one
of them could have done the same thing.
>> They could have like
>> Yeah. if you're this close to me, unless
there's a bodyguards surrounding in my
little one foot bubble, you know? So,
but but then again, that also takes away
from the experience of TwitchCon. So, I
don't really know what the solution is.
I really don't.
>> I don't either.
>> Like, I I don't know how you stop it.
Again, it's not okay. I'm not saying
it's okay at all. Trust me. I again, as
a person who was sexually assaulted,
it's not okay. But I don't know how you
stop it without completely destroying
what is TwitchCon. I don't know.
>> I I think that you're right. You can't
truly stop someone if someone is
calculated. Like you said, they're
they're in control of their brain.
They're waiting. They have a plan.
You're right. But I think most of these
people are mentally ill and they don't
like that guy who just marched across.
You probably could stop most instances
by simply doing something really small
and proactive like whatever stairs. Is
that what you said? And then there's you
could also just have someone way closer,
which yeah, it's a little uncomfortable,
but if somebody was just four feet away
instead of 10, that would be stopped. It
would have been stopped for sure. Most
people aren't calculated. They're insane
people. They're just crazy people and
they It's almost like they're acting.
They see and then their vision goes red
and they get weird.
>> Do we know?
>> Do we have any footage of this guy
>> that like tried to kiss her?
>> We have footage of him leaving. We have footage.
footage.
>> I just want to see him like say a sentence.
sentence.
>> I feel like I can I can immensely judge
this person based on them saying a
sentence out loud.
>> We don't have him talking. We have him walking.
walking.
>> I mean, I just want to know like I I
could tell is this this guy had no
friends in school. Like I want to I
could tell that there was
>> Oh, 100% no friends in school.
>> Is I just want to see I just want What
kind of person is this?
>> You know, if I had to guess,
probably someone uses
>> You think they're on drugs?
>> Reddit, 4chan, those guys probably.
>> They might be. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> they might be.
>> But I mean, the thing is that I don't
know. It
>> maybe you're right. You know, assuming
that people are just not very bright,
which they're probably not to do that in
the first place. But, you know,
>> you can't stop a Ted Bundy. You're
right. You can't. You really can.
>> But you can stop that guy for sure.
>> I mean, we think of it this way. Maybe
what if that guy's goal, his sole goal
was to go to TwitchCon and do that.
>> Surely he must have Dude, they just they
just robbed the Lou.
>> I mean, again, if if that's
>> You're right. They did just right.
>> They did it on a on a crane they stole
and it's just like me.
>> I didn't hear I don't know the details
of that. I saw the crane and I saw
people laughing that like what you
expected the heist to be what it reality
of what it was, right? And it's not like
Oceans 11. I know that place has the top
insecurity and they came in 9:00 in the morning,
morning,
>> was gone in 7 minutes, you know.
>> Well, I mean, I don't Yeah,
>> but that's the thing. Yeah, sure. And
maybe it will stop like But then again,
how many people are even trying to do
that sort of stuff to people?
>> More people are going to try it now.
>> The the attention that it has gotten
will influence more people to try.
That's all it takes.
>> Well, here's the thing. Then that means
Emmy just can't go back cuz
>> the idea is out there now.
>> Let's be honest. Emmy has probably one
of the most like parasocial viewer bases
on the planet. you know, she's like the
biggest girl streamer in the world. And
you know that a lot of people maybe
don't listening, but like I've talked to
Amy for a long time. We've been in the
space for a long time. Like there's a
lot of guys out there that develop these
extremely unhealthy
relationships with these uh with these
girl streamers to the points where they
where they genuinely think they think
they're dating the streamer. Like if you
put them on a lie detector test, they
would and asked them, "Hey, are you
dating let's say Emaru?" They would say
yes and they would pass because they
believe they really soul. And my my
question is we need to get Hey, we need
to get these people locked up early,
bro. We need to figure this out. We need
white. We need padded walls. You know,
it's just like
>> how how can you what has happened in
your life where you have fallen
>> to this to this level.
>> I want to see
>> I wish I could download their life. I
want to see their perspective and see
the choices they've made and the
failings they've had and the success
they how do you get there?
>> I don't know but like you know I have so
many story they're not my stories to tell
tell
>> because they're stories of other girl
streamers but trust me when I tell you
that this this stuff happens a lot more
than you think. Well, that here's the
reason it's not talked about it a lot is
again they don't want to encourage it.
>> Exact that the idea being out there is
now if Emmy goes to TwitchCon, if any
girl goes to TwitchCon, there is now a
higher chance of getting sexually
assaulted because the idea of someone
committing sexual assault at TwitchCon
is floating around. It is a statistic.
So just that's how it works. Number goes
up and so people try to avoid the topic,
but now it's being talked. It's open.
Now it's out there and there's a lot of
moments like that. You know that that uh
that Jeffrey Dmer documentary came out.
You think that made people want to eat people?
people?
>> Not eat. Actually, yes. I bet statistically
statistically
>> I I tend to agree. If it's going to go
up or down, it glamorizes a little bit.
More people are a little
>> The number goes up. It's crazy cuz like
it's not going to affect me. No, I'm not
[ __ ] stupid. I'm not going to start
eating people off a documentary, but
yes, some people are so mentally
susceptible to this [ __ ] Yes, it
>> there there is like this extreme extreme
extreme mental health crisis in the
United States of America, man.
>> Dude, I again it can be worse in
America, but I don't like when you only
label it. It's everywhere, man. It's the world.
world.
>> I can't speak about other places.
>> It's the world with media in general.
>> Yeah. I mean, I don't know too much
about Zimbabwe, so I'm just going to
focus on
>> Zimbabwe. I don't know if they have
computers. I don't know what's going on there.
there.
>> That was racist.
>> That's not racist.
>> How's that racist? Zimbabwe is like
fourth in internet speed.
>> Is it?
>> I lied.
>> I don't know.
>> I don't know. I've never been there.
>> So, you know, I have no idea. But I
always I only say America is all I know.
I I don't I don't say it. I'm not When I
say it, I'm not saying it's not
happening over there, but I don't know.
So, I don't
>> I bet it's worse here in America. I do.
>> But again, it's it's all over. I just
like I don't want some [ __ ] European
people like, "Yeah, we're the better."
Like, you're better, but you got some
[ __ ] too.
>> No, listen. Listen, Europe has their own
issues. Like, you know, trust me. some
the part that I do know. They got their
own things to worry about,
>> you know. But at the end of the day,
like this whole TwitchCon stuff,
>> I I don't really know.
>> No one knows. I don't know, man.
>> I I would not be upset if they shut it down.
down. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Like, I would be surprised
>> because it's it's it is a it is a shadow
of its former self.
>> It is not what it used to be. It's just
getting worse.
>> Let's talk more about the failings of
how Twitch handled it afterwards.
So, see this is a take people aren't
going to like. So, just recent I'm just
going to say it because [ __ ] it, who
cares? So, just recently uh one of the
houses that uh I guess I rent.
I guess I can say that got swatted, right?
right? >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Okay. And it got swatted and uh I wasn't
even there, but uh it did. And the house
and the thing is the chatter in chat,
you know, sign up with an email blah
blah blah IP talked about it, you know.
They like Twitch has this guy's like
some information on this guy, right? >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> You know, he even said like, you know,
I'm swatting you, I'm coming, blah,
blah, blah. Scary stuff, you know. And I
asked them and I'm like, you know,
Twitch, what's the deal with this, you
know? And they're like, oh, message
Twitch legal, you know, and when you But
when you they they'll never give you
like people's names because because they
they can't do that.
>> But that makes sense,
>> right? So
>> So they can't just give you info even though.
though.
>> So So get this. So the guy's like the
guy's like, "Yo, I'm coming to you know
to shoot you." It's literally what his
message said in chat. Okay.
>> And linked our address, by the way.
Okay. And we're like, "Yeah, Twitch's
like, "Yeah, send an email. We'll get
back to you with his info." The guy's on
his way, man. Do you think I got time
for an email? You know what I'm saying?
Or at least what look But it's okay. But
I But that's just how it works. So with
Twitch, you know,
>> it's wrong. But I understand they can't
just give that info.
>> Exactly. That's my whole point.
>> I think with letting the guy go, you
know, is is insane.
>> Are we talking about the Twitch kind of again?
again?
>> We're talking about like the Emmy stuff.
>> Okay. He took me out of
>> Yeah. But I was giving you an example of
why like like that guy's like cuz like
uh you know the people like where'd he
go? What's his name? Who is he? You know
and like you know no one had any information.
information.
>> I think what we need the only fix to
this is again we need oh man we I think
we need a government law change of some
sort to deal with skitsos online. If
someone says hey I have a gun and I'm on
my way to shoot you. There should be
someone or a something you can go do to
handle that situation rather than tell
police officers. They'll say, "Well,
>> I guess we'll do something after you're shot."
shot."
>> Yeah. Right.
>> Cuz that's kind of And I It makes sense.
I understand how all the laws are how we
are like the media has just gone
>> all all of our shit's too outdated now.
It's not.
>> You're absolutely right.
>> It's too outdated. And I don't know what
the specific fixes are. you're speaking
about though is kind of breaking
internet anonymity
>> which is what a lot of people have
problems with.
>> We've had like five episodes of this.
>> We have but we keep having issues
>> that really circle back to this sort of topic.
topic. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and
>> with Twitch
it they're in like a really shitty spot.
>> Can we zoom back in on what happened?
because I'm just curious what should
have happened from the moment that guy
approached to the statements made after
and then the followup.
>> So there's many things.
>> Keep it simple.
>> Number one, you could stop him before he
even got there.
>> Okay, like as he's running, as he's
cutting the line and we touched on that,
>> bang, tackled. Okay, once he did what he did,
did,
>> okay, the fact that he was able to walk
out the front door and not be detained
>> is crazy
>> is a grave mistake.
>> That's insane.
>> It is It is insanity.
>> That's craziness. That's the That's
probably the craziest thing to me.
>> Yeah, it's it's absolutely
>> So, what I realized actually is I have
information that I'm not even sure is
even out there yet about what happened,
you know, behind the scenes. And I'm
sure by this video whenever it comes
out, you'll know by then. But it was
it's like Twitch covering their ass.
>> Well, no. Emmy also said on that thing
that basically Twitch was just lying
about when they they tweeted an apology
and whatever. Twitch was just lying.
>> The reason that they don't tag Emmy is
so they're not like liable. Like you
it's very you got to be careful like
when things become So this is the
problem with the internet. You have what
is right and morally right what you
should do and then the reality of the
situation which is like legal stuff.
>> Yeah. Well, you steal a business. You
got to be
>> legally, you know, if they're like,
"Yeah, sorry. We failed you." Emmy can
sue them because you just admitted it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, so they don't do it. And
that's the issue when you have these
sort of mixing communities and you know,
>> it's a it's
>> it is.
>> So, the response was strategic. It
wasn't negligent. It was strategic.
>> 150% it was strategic. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's not even close. Now,
>> like I I can't even be that mad at that
because it makes sense
>> from their perspective.
>> I What doesn't make sense is again, why
the [ __ ] wasn't the guy detained? And in
their tweet,
>> they didn't detain the guy that licked
my nipple either. He got banned like a
few hours later.
>> Again, it's there's footage of it, too.
There's [ __ ] footage.
>> Twitch never even reached out to me. My
nipple was wet with his saliva.
>> Like, that annoys me.
>> I'm not trying to laugh, but
>> Are you laughing at my my pain? I mean,
this actually goes into our next topic.
>> Uh oh. So, the next thing, yeah, the um
I don't know anything about this, so
you're going to be having to educate me.
Nah Lynn, who the [ __ ] is that?
>> I think she's big on TikTok. I met her
at the TwitchCon. Seemed nice. There's a
a clip going around where she's like uh
downplaying like male sexual assault or
something like that.
>> What was the sexual assault? So
basically, he got grabbed by Nenah and
her friend worked on him and they just
played it off like it wasn't a big deal.
But a lot of people's point is if you
reverse the the roles, it would have
been really bad.
>> No. Yeah, you're right. You reverse the
roles, it's horrible.
>> It really just comes down to was he
offended? Was he Did he not like that?
>> He didn't like it.
>> He tweeted out affirming that he he
tried to speak out about it but kind of
got shut down or made fun of. I'm I'm
telling you.
>> Okay. Then then they that you shouldn't
be [ __ ] twerking on some like No,
>> you again.
>> Do they not know this guy?
>> Well, he was laughing, but it was a
nervous laugh.
>> I mean, sure. Like, you're going to have
to play the I'm laughing like what was
he has a girlfriend?
>> They could have been that, too. Yeah,
>> he has a girlfriend. Like, that's that
sucks. That's awful. Like, [ __ ] Vegan
would be it would be terrible for both
of us if I got randomly twked on and
couldn't stop it. But then it's like,
hey, I try to tell people like, "Oh,
you're just being a huge [ __ ] bro. let
these girls twerk on you. No, but at the
same time, like I I don't know. I could
see like a bunch say assume everyone's
single and they're just casually
partying and they know everyone and they
just do a little joke with some guy that
they know won't be that offended and
it's just a lot
>> of course. Well, that that's the thing
called consent.
>> I don't think that ever that situation
never really happens with a girl. You
just don't ever I just don't think you
do it because they're pretty much always
going to hate it. Um not always, but way
more with a guy. the fact they did that
with him and he he was not okay with it.
Like they should have known beforehand.
You shouldn't have even tried if you
don't know him that way.
>> Keep in mind keep in mind you know what
remember Mango when he got banned lost
his like C9 sponsorship everything. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> He never even touched anyone by the way.
I'm not saying it's what he did was okay
but he literally got you know banned
from from Twitch and all this sort of stuff.
stuff. >> Nothing.
>> Nothing.
>> Like you're right.
>> And the thing is it is different when
it's a guy and it's girl. It is. But
it's still not okay.
>> So in reality it's different morally
it's not. Is that what you're saying?
>> Yeah. Uh, I guess
>> I mean sexual assault, sexual assault
like across the board. Like it's just
not okay.
>> Like the big question everyone's asking
is should the consequences be the same?
Should the outrage be the same?
>> Consequences should be the same.
>> Yeah. Because even with your TwitchCon
thing, you know, people mainly laugh at
I mean we even we were joking about it.
The consequence
>> if Asmin didn't bring it up this time
around, people would have just forgotten
about it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, like
>> people generally don't care. Hey,
realistically, like if you're a girl,
and again, you just don't [ __ ]
randomly twerk on people,
>> especially people you don't [ __ ] know.
know. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> you just don't do that. It's weird. I I
don't know. Maybe it's young. I don't
know. I'm trying to put myself back in
my 18-year-old brain and put myself at
like college parties. Yeah, it probably
happened at college parties every other
[ __ ] party. It probably did.
>> It it knows, man.
>> Then again, it was also what, 20 years
ago? How old am I? God
>> 15 years ago. You're not that old.
>> I'm 31. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> 12, 13 years ago. Whatever. It probably
happened pretty casually.
>> I don't remember. I never went to those parties.
parties.
>> I only went to like three. I don't know.
>> I was basically the guy in the clip and
stuff like that has happened to me actually.
actually.
>> How did that make you feel, Finn? >> Uh
I was just too shy and I was like, "Stop."
"Stop." [Laughter]
[Laughter]
>> I just, you know, I just did. They stop.
>> Hell no. I mean, and the thing is, I
don't think these girls are doing it
maliciously. I don't Well, I'm talking
not at all. I don't think they were
doing it maliciously. And like you said,
stop, but like they're like, he probably
likes it, right? That's probably what
they were thinking.
>> Well, I think the spectrum is
>> sounds so bad. Oh my god, I'm trying to
reverse the rules.
>> Probably in their heads or the way it's
treated is a spectrum of this is just a
joke. We're all having fun. to it's
bullying, but it's not never really
thought of as this is sexual harassment
or sexual assault, which is actually
what it is, especially if you think of
it reverse roles.
>> The problem is like like Twitch really
isn't going to act unless uh it hurts
their optics.
Like it's, you know,
>> or are you wondering why he's not she's
not banned or whatever? Or get in trouble?
trouble?
>> Yeah. I don't I don't know. Maybe she
should get banned. Give her a [ __ ]
three days. I mean, again, even if she
gets banned, who gives a [ __ ] knowing
bands don't who is the last person to
get perma banned and actually seek or
get real repercussions cuz they just go
on kick and make more money?
>> That's that's how I see
>> I mean, the whole thing's just kind of
fried, man. If you look at the from the
top to the bottom,
>> you know what? And I'm I'm loving not
being a part of it. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> I I'm [ __ ] loving not being a deep
part of this [ __ ]
>> Yeah, I think we're at the apex of all
this Tom Fuller bullshittery. D I need
to go pee. At the end of the day, if you
sexually assault someone not okay with
it, they should [ __ ] They should.
This the repercuss repercussion should
be the same.
>> They should be. At the end of the day,
they're not. But they shouldn't be.
>> You know what's funny? They probably
would be the same in court, though. If
you took them to court,
>> you're in court. It should. You're right.
right.
>> It'd probably be the same. But the
problem is uh it's about the social outcry
outcry
>> again. And I I understand the social
part of like it being a guy and not a
girl. I get it.
>> Just I don't know if it's right. You
know what's interesting though about
like you know like so like that guy did
suck on my nipple. He did
>> but like I kind You just kind of move
on. You It's not like I'm like my
nipple's not damaged.
>> I didn't feel that bad for you.
>> I not many people did cuz like people
are like first off people were like [ __ ]
this guy number one,
>> you know.
>> Yeah. I mean it was it was more it was
more so I really hated that dude.
>> He was a a pest. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> He was annoying. He was attention
hungry. He was just a [ __ ] loser.
>> Yeah. And in a in a way him sucking your
nipple is like that's one of my I I like
this so I can make fun of him. A [ __ ]
weirdo. It's it's it's an avenue to
attack this person. Yes.
>> More proof for me to dislike this
person. I don't feel bad for you. I just
really hate that guy. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Now if you were a girl I I'm like I feel
that sucks. I'm sorry. Right. I feel bad
for you now. I'm not just as attacking
on this guy.
>> Isn't Isn't that Isn't that That's weird.
weird.
>> Yeah. But that's probably how most
people thought.
>> That's again
>> it's just the way we're wired, you You
know, it's just the way
>> maybe it's the the power difference
between men and women.
>> That's that's a lot of it, you know,
like you know, it's damsel in distress
versus, you know, night and shining
armor sort of thing, you know,
>> like am I am I wrong?
>> Cuz like think of it this way, like low
key, like if it wasn't for Twitch, I
could just dropped that guy. Like if I
if you know, I really could have
>> a big guy. He was pretty fat.
>> Yeah, but I'm also very strong. So,
dude, I
>> fat people are strong, Nick. He could
just he could I'm 215 pounds. Chance,
>> you were not at the time. I'm pretty sure this is at your health adventure,
sure this is at your health adventure, man.
man. >> [ __ ] I think you were you were looking
>> [ __ ] I think you were you were looking good.
good. >> A buck 80,
>> A buck 80, >> but your ass was going to get laid out.
>> but your ass was going to get laid out. >> I'm still very No, no, I'll never get
>> I'm still very No, no, I'll never get laid out. I'm very
laid out. I'm very >> He would I'm That man could not throw a
>> He would I'm That man could not throw a PL. I can't either.
PL. I can't either. >> Yeah, I I think I could take him.
>> Yeah, I I think I could take him. Especially with Wake there, bro. Come
Especially with Wake there, bro. Come on. We would beat you.
on. We would beat you. >> Oh, wake. Yeah, but Wake helps you. He
>> Oh, wake. Yeah, but Wake helps you. He carries.
carries. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly. >> Wake one v1.
>> Wake one v1. >> That's what I'm saying. Like if this is
>> That's what I'm saying. Like if this is like if I was out in the street, I had
like if I was out in the street, I had to defend myself. I think I'm talking
to defend myself. I think I'm talking about like the power dynamic with men,
about like the power dynamic with men, men and women. A woman in that case
men and women. A woman in that case could not do anything.
could not do anything. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Like you know like you know that
>> Like you know like you know that infamous speed joke that everyone hates.
infamous speed joke that everyone hates. Well, I don't know which one.
Well, I don't know which one. >> You never heard it, man. This Okay,
>> You never heard it, man. This Okay, maybe we won't put this in the pot. I
maybe we won't put this in the pot. I say it now. So, there's a The Speed back
say it now. So, there's a The Speed back in the day was was hanging out with this
in the day was was hanging out with this girl, right?
girl, right? >> Okay. In real life.
>> Okay. In real life. >> And uh so you're a girl. I'm speed.
>> And uh so you're a girl. I'm speed. Okay. And this is how it goes. So, hey,
Okay. And this is how it goes. So, hey, if we're the last uh if we're the last
if we're the last uh if we're the last two two people on Earth, you know, would
two two people on Earth, you know, would you have sex with me?
you have sex with me? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. No, you're supposed to say no. Why
>> Okay. No, you're supposed to say no. Why would you say?
>> Well, >> we have to.
>> we have to. >> No, no. First off, first off, first off,
>> No, no. First off, first off, first off, it it's over anyways. The inbreeding,
it it's over anyways. The inbreeding, it's not going to save it. So, let's try
it's not going to save it. So, let's try joking. Let's try joking him.
joking. Let's try joking him. >> Okay. Say no, man.
>> Okay. Say no, man. >> Okay. Sorry.
>> Okay. Sorry. >> Okay. This is this the infamous speed
>> Okay. This is this the infamous speed joke. Okay. So, we're I'm a man.
joke. Okay. So, we're I'm a man. >> You're a woman. You're like 5'5 female.
>> You're a woman. You're like 5'5 female. >> Sure.
>> Sure. >> I'm like, you know, six foot diesel man
>> I'm like, you know, six foot diesel man like a normal. Got it. Okay.
like a normal. Got it. Okay. >> Okay. So, you know, again, this is a
>> Okay. So, you know, again, this is a joke. I gota preface this. Okay. So,
joke. I gota preface this. Okay. So, >> scenario is turning me on a little bit.
>> scenario is turning me on a little bit. >> That's weird. But we're gonna keep
>> That's weird. But we're gonna keep going. So, you know, we're the last two
going. So, you know, we're the last two people on Earth, would you have sex with
people on Earth, would you have sex with me?
me? >> No.
>> No. >> Who's going to stop me?
>> Who's going to stop me? >> That's the joke. Cuz if if the last two
>> That's the joke. Cuz if if the last two people on Earth, who's going to stop
people on Earth, who's going to stop them? Cuz they can't defend themselves,
them? Cuz they can't defend themselves, man.
man. >> It's because of the implication.
>> It's because of the implication. >> The implication. What's Oh,
>> The implication. What's Oh, >> always the factor. But but that's my
>> always the factor. But but that's my whole point. It's like it's different
whole point. It's like it's different because men are seem to be able to take
because men are seem to be able to take more hits,
more hits, >> defend themselves.
>> defend themselves. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> That's what I'm getting at, you know?
>> That's what I'm getting at, you know? It's horrible joke, you know, but like
It's horrible joke, you know, but like that's why people think the way they
that's why people think the way they think. And that's probably why you're
think. And that's probably why you're like, "How
like, "How >> about this? How about this? How about
>> about this? How about this? How about this?" Vicki and I were talking the
this?" Vicki and I were talking the other day. We're on the couch and we
other day. We're on the couch and we ordered food
ordered food >> and it showed up to the door and I said,
>> and it showed up to the door and I said, "You going to go get that?" She said,
"You going to go get that?" She said, "Well, I'm not the man.
"Well, I'm not the man. >> Does the man have to go get the food
>> Does the man have to go get the food from the front door?"
from the front door?" >> Man, I got
>> Man, I got >> it's it's physical activity. I got to
>> it's it's physical activity. I got to get up from the couch and walk over and
get up from the couch and walk over and grab
grab >> Is it dark?
>> Is it dark? >> It is. It is like
>> It is. It is like >> Yeah, it's your turn.
>> Yeah, it's your turn. >> Well, so so she should do it.
>> Well, so so she should do it. >> No, you should
>> No, you should >> before 6 p.m.
>> before 6 p.m. >> If
>> If >> we order breakfast, too. I'm going to
>> we order breakfast, too. I'm going to I'm going to bring this up. I might get
I'm going to bring this up. I might get [ __ ]
[ __ ] >> So, here's the thing.
>> So, here's the thing. >> I think, man, this is now incel. I think
>> I think, man, this is now incel. I think there's some things that men should do
there's some things that men should do and some things, you know, women should
and some things, you know, women should do. And if it's danger, like let's just
do. And if it's danger, like let's just say like we're walking down the
say like we're walking down the sidewalk. I'll walk next to the to the
sidewalk. I'll walk next to the to the street.
street. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> You know,
>> You know, >> sure.
>> sure. >> Things like that, you know, for example,
>> Things like that, you know, for example, taking out the trash. Am I going to have
taking out the trash. Am I going to have catchy 5'5 100 lbs carry the big trash
catchy 5'5 100 lbs carry the big trash bag out?
bag out? >> No.
>> No. >> No. I'm just going to I'm just going to
>> No. I'm just going to I'm just going to do it, you know. So, I I I think that's
do it, you know. So, I I I think that's that's a-ok. Okay. You know, I'm also
that's a-ok. Okay. You know, I'm also not going to suck my own dick.
not going to suck my own dick. >> Now, talk about the woman's jobs.
>> Now, talk about the woman's jobs. I've heard this on plenty of other
I've heard this on plenty of other podcasts.
podcasts. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> You know,
>> You know, >> they're fitting in. Great.
>> they're fitting in. Great. >> Whatever they want to do to feel feel
>> Whatever they want to do to feel feel okay.
okay. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> You know, you want to you want to do
>> You know, you want to you want to do this, go for it.
this, go for it. >> Did you All right. Next next topic. In
>> Did you All right. Next next topic. In that case, let's move on.
that case, let's move on. >> Um, did you see the clip of Lewig
>> Um, did you see the clip of Lewig talking about Hassan?
talking about Hassan? >> What did he say?
>> What did he say? >> You didn't see it?
>> You didn't see it? >> I have an idea.
>> I have an idea. >> He was basically going on. A lot of
>> He was basically going on. A lot of people were wondering I guess why like
people were wondering I guess why like what is Lewig's take on the Hassan shot
what is Lewig's take on the Hassan shot call shotgate. Is that what people are
call shotgate. Is that what people are calling it?
calling it? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Collar gate.
>> Collar gate. >> Collar gate. Um he was and so he went
>> Collar gate. Um he was and so he went live and he basically was like listen
live and he basically was like listen guys I'm friends with him
guys I'm friends with him >> but we're not that good of friends.
>> but we're not that good of friends. Okay. And he I guess maybe
Okay. And he I guess maybe >> I saw that.
>> I saw that. >> Okay. And and to me it's like you know
>> Okay. And and to me it's like you know what I respect this cuz it's true. You
what I respect this cuz it's true. You know and and I like Lewig. I've stayed
know and and I like Lewig. I've stayed at his house. He stayed at mine. But at
at his house. He stayed at mine. But at the same time,
the same time, I don't expect him to sacrifice tons of
I don't expect him to sacrifice tons of things for me and I would expect him to
things for me and I would expect him to not expect it from me. So basically, and
not expect it from me. So basically, and a lot of viewers, I guess their
a lot of viewers, I guess their perception of
perception of >> So I I also thought they were closer
>> So I I also thought they were closer friends than what they are.
friends than what they are. >> Okay. Okay. So, a lot of Assange's
>> Okay. Okay. So, a lot of Assange's community is is
community is is >> outraged about what Ledwick said. Like,
>> outraged about what Ledwick said. Like, they're very mad because I I also did
they're very mad because I I also did think that they're I mean,
think that they're I mean, >> well, I was just talking in general, not
>> well, I was just talking in general, not all streamers are as good a friends as
all streamers are as good a friends as viewers think. First off,
viewers think. First off, >> but I don't know who Son and Lwin.
>> but I don't know who Son and Lwin. >> So, first off, most of them
>> So, first off, most of them >> are not as good as friends as viewers
>> are not as good as friends as viewers think they are.
think they are. >> Yeah. No, exactly. And that's where I
>> Yeah. No, exactly. And that's where I was just That's all I was talking about.
was just That's all I was talking about. >> You're absolutely right. Okay.
>> You're absolutely right. Okay. >> And like the people at home don't really
>> And like the people at home don't really >> like you can use like Tyler one in Greek
>> like you can use like Tyler one in Greek that era.
that era. >> Sure. People were like, "Oh, look at
>> Sure. People were like, "Oh, look at these best friends having so much fun."
these best friends having so much fun." >> They never talked unless it was on
>> They never talked unless it was on stream.
stream. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Like they really weren't that close. But
>> Like they really weren't that close. But the people who like, you know, put the
the people who like, you know, put the rosecolored glasses on about that era,
rosecolored glasses on about that era, they really do believe that it was two
they really do believe that it was two best friends and
best friends and >> they never talked,
>> they never talked, >> you know, like even even in I said, you
>> you know, like even even in I said, you know,
know, >> like it'd be awkward if they were
>> like it'd be awkward if they were hanging out off stream for them because
hanging out off stream for them because it's it'd be
it's it'd be >> Exactly.
>> Exactly. >> Like, oh, we're not doing content.
>> Like, oh, we're not doing content. >> Even even with an OTK, you know, like
>> Even even with an OTK, you know, like friends.
friends. >> What are you saying? What? I'm confused.
>> What are you saying? What? I'm confused. >> Like, who's who's your friends in OTK?
>> Like, who's who's your friends in OTK? >> Who are my friends in OTK? I got you.
>> Who are my friends in OTK? I got you. I mean, like, are we talking like I will
I mean, like, are we talking like I will sacrifice and I'll do I got you.
sacrifice and I'll do I got you. >> First off, what does the word friends
>> First off, what does the word friends mean? What does the words friends mean
mean? What does the words friends mean to you?
to you? >> Like an if we're being literal in
>> Like an if we're being literal in definition, I will sacrifice for that
definition, I will sacrifice for that person.
person. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> So, you
>> So, you >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Maybe sear, you know, it depends on the
>> Maybe sear, you know, it depends on the I'm not going to go to court for him.
I'm not going to go to court for him. It's not happening, right?
It's not happening, right? >> Um that's it. That's how I also
>> Um that's it. That's how I also >> but I also expect the same in return
>> but I also expect the same in return from them, right?
from them, right? >> Because that's what a friend is. But pe
>> Because that's what a friend is. But pe people on Twitch don't know that.
people on Twitch don't know that. >> And don't me wrong, I have a great time
>> And don't me wrong, I have a great time with everyone in OTK. Absolutely have a
with everyone in OTK. Absolutely have a great time. But
great time. But like like again, I'm not inviting them
like like again, I'm not inviting them to [ __ ] Christmas with my family.
to [ __ ] Christmas with my family. It's not happening. I'm not I mean I'll
It's not happening. I'm not I mean I'll go to their funeral, right? I think
go to their funeral, right? I think Lewig said he wouldn't go to people's
Lewig said he wouldn't go to people's funeral. I'll go to their funeral. He
funeral. I'll go to their funeral. He [ __ ] died.
[ __ ] died. >> Lewig said he wouldn't go to Son's
>> Lewig said he wouldn't go to Son's funeral.
funeral. He was using it as an example. I think
He was using it as an example. I think he was just rambling at this point
he was just rambling at this point because he was kind of just getting it
because he was kind of just getting it all out there. But at some point in this
all out there. But at some point in this >> I'll go to Hassan's funeral.
>> I'll go to Hassan's funeral. >> I'll go to Assan's funeral, too. Okay.
>> I'll go to Assan's funeral, too. Okay. Going to a funeral is an extreme. And I
Going to a funeral is an extreme. And I think he used a bad example and I
think he used a bad example and I shouldn't even brought that up. I think
shouldn't even brought that up. I think he would agree with me. But you I'm
he would agree with me. But you I'm trying to think of some events or
trying to think of some events or something where it's like, dude, like
something where it's like, dude, like I'm not going to go to court for you.
I'm not going to go to court for you. It's not happening. Or I'm not going to
It's not happening. Or I'm not going to go to what what is the sacrifice to be
go to what what is the sacrifice to be made?
made? >> Anything. Like if they if they're having
>> Anything. Like if they if they're having a wedding and it is a fiveday like no
a wedding and it is a fiveday like no I'm not flying across to New Zealand
I'm not flying across to New Zealand even if it's paid for I'm not doing
even if it's paid for I'm not doing that's too much.
that's too much. >> It's not happening. So that's where so
>> It's not happening. So that's where so you ask who my friends are. There's a
you ask who my friends are. There's a small number of people I will do that.
small number of people I will do that. >> Exactly. Now
>> Exactly. Now >> because I only have so much time in my
>> because I only have so much time in my life. I can't be taken off every other
life. I can't be taken off every other weekend for every other [ __ ]
weekend for every other [ __ ] thing. Here's the problem. Twitch is
thing. Here's the problem. Twitch is made up prim primarily of like man how
made up prim primarily of like man how do I say this? Loners.
do I say this? Loners. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So, it's loners opinions on friends.
>> So, it's loners opinions on friends. >> So, you know, do they really know?
>> So, you know, do they really know? >> Probably not that. Well,
>> Probably not that. Well, >> maybe not.
>> maybe not. >> So,
>> So, >> hold on. So, Lwig's or Hassan's viewers
>> hold on. So, Lwig's or Hassan's viewers are upset. How close I don't know how
are upset. How close I don't know how close and le. I have no idea.
close and le. I have no idea. >> I thought they were pretty close just
>> I thought they were pretty close just from viewing on the stream. I mean,
from viewing on the stream. I mean, >> why do you think that parasocial?
>> why do you think that parasocial? >> Sure. To I don't think parasocial is
>> Sure. To I don't think parasocial is that bad, by the way. Um, to a degree.
that bad, by the way. Um, to a degree. Wait, what?
Wait, what? >> What?
>> What? >> You don't think parasocial is that bad?
>> You don't think parasocial is that bad? >> I don't.
>> I don't. >> Okay, let's go in on that then.
>> Okay, let's go in on that then. >> I I don't think parasocial is that bad.
>> I I don't think parasocial is that bad. >> Okay. What do you mean?
>> Okay. What do you mean? >> Like, you don't think it's a big deal to
>> Like, you don't think it's a big deal to be obsessed?
be obsessed? >> Oh, see, you're not obsessed.
>> Oh, see, you're not obsessed. >> No, no, no. That's not what parasocial
>> No, no, no. That's not what parasocial is. Bring up the definition of the word.
is. Bring up the definition of the word. >> Okay. Actually, you know, yeah, bring up
>> Okay. Actually, you know, yeah, bring up the definition.
the definition. >> Bring it up. one-sided, one-way
>> Bring it up. one-sided, one-way relationship where a person feels an
relationship where a person feels an emotional connection or intimacy with a
emotional connection or intimacy with a celebrity, public figure, or fictional
celebrity, public figure, or fictional character they don't actually know.
character they don't actually know. >> That's it.
>> That's it. >> Okay. So, you don't think it's a big
>> Okay. So, you don't think it's a big deal to Okay. to have deep feelings on
deal to Okay. to have deep feelings on someone that doesn't know you. For
someone that doesn't know you. For example, to
example, to >> So, so for example, do you know who Dale
>> So, so for example, do you know who Dale Nhard is?
Nhard is? >> Absolutely not.
>> Absolutely not. >> He's the greatest NASCAR driver history
>> He's the greatest NASCAR driver history of the world. Okay.
of the world. Okay. >> When he died,
>> When he died, >> I cried. So you're paras So LeBron to be
>> I cried. So you're paras So LeBron to be a fan of LeBron is to be parasocial.
a fan of LeBron is to be parasocial. >> So to be a fan
>> So to be a fan >> I think a lot of people Yes.
>> I think a lot of people Yes. >> Okay. Now when this parasocial reaches
>> Okay. Now when this parasocial reaches obsessive levels like hey I'm going to
obsessive levels like hey I'm going to try and force kiss Emu at a Twitchcon
try and force kiss Emu at a Twitchcon when he gets to that point that's bad.
when he gets to that point that's bad. >> I see.
>> I see. >> But I don't necessarily think it's too
>> But I don't necessarily think it's too bad to be parasocial.
bad to be parasocial. >> Well parasocial in context of Twitch is
>> Well parasocial in context of Twitch is almost always bad.
almost always bad. >> But most streamers But most viewers are
>> But most streamers But most viewers are parasocial.
parasocial. >> I know. No. Streaming is what?
>> I know. No. Streaming is what? >> There's a saying here that fits really
>> There's a saying here that fits really well.
well. >> Let's hear it.
>> Let's hear it. >> The difference between the medicine
>> The difference between the medicine Wait,
Wait, >> the difference between medicine and
>> the difference between medicine and poison is in the dose.
poison is in the dose. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly. >> So, too much of it is a bad thing. That
>> So, too much of it is a bad thing. That I thought it was good. That was good.
I thought it was good. That was good. Listen to him. He's being negative.
Listen to him. He's being negative. >> I just think I didn't make that up, by
>> I just think I didn't make that up, by the way. That's like be like predates
the way. That's like be like predates time.
time. >> Socrates. Um,
>> Socrates. Um, >> you mean so crates on these nuts. So, I
>> you mean so crates on these nuts. So, I think Twitch Parasocial is always
think Twitch Parasocial is always >> Maybe not. I should You're right. It's
>> Maybe not. I should You're right. It's not always bad, but most of it is all
not always bad, but most of it is all bad. Most of it,
bad. Most of it, >> but that's what most of the streams are.
>> but that's what most of the streams are. >> Maybe you're right. Maybe it's not that
>> Maybe you're right. Maybe it's not that bad. Like,
bad. Like, >> I just hear the word and I just have
>> I just hear the word and I just have such a negative connotation to it.
such a negative connotation to it. >> So, even like I don't know who who can
>> So, even like I don't know who who can we use as an example.
we use as an example. You know,
You know, >> I had one person that would donate an
>> I had one person that would donate an obscene amount of money and they should
obscene amount of money and they should not have been donating that.
not have been donating that. >> Well, that's most people do that. Don't
>> Well, that's most people do that. Don't donate that much money. That's insane. I
donate that much money. That's insane. I I find out that they're I thought they
I find out that they're I thought they were like just wealthy, just some
were like just wealthy, just some Norwegian rich [ __ ] And I find out they
Norwegian rich [ __ ] And I find out they are not that wealthy. This is like a
are not that wealthy. This is like a decade ago. Yeah.
decade ago. Yeah. >> I had to stop them from donating
>> I had to stop them from donating >> and tell them I literally had to tell
>> and tell them I literally had to tell them off like I do not know you. And I'm
them off like I do not know you. And I'm being told by other viewers.
being told by other viewers. >> So that is the too much medicine right
>> So that is the too much medicine right there.
there. >> Okay. Well, that to me is like
>> Okay. Well, that to me is like >> if you want to give back and give five
>> if you want to give back and give five subs, 10 subs, whatever it is, you know,
subs, 10 subs, whatever it is, you know, let's say you have decent amount of
let's say you have decent amount of money, 100 subs, sure. But you get
money, 100 subs, sure. But you get something like 50 grand, unless you're
something like 50 grand, unless you're like a Dubai prince, man.
like a Dubai prince, man. >> Or a crypto bro.
>> Or a crypto bro. >> Yeah. Speaking of crypto bros.
>> Yeah. Speaking of crypto bros. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> The CSGO [ __ ] Yeah. That's probably the
>> The CSGO [ __ ] Yeah. That's probably the last topic.
last topic. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Do you understand what they changed? So
>> Do you understand what they changed? So CS:GO
CS:GO >> Yeah. So what they did was they made it
>> Yeah. So what they did was they made it so so in the game CS GO uh you can open
so so in the game CS GO uh you can open up knives and things like that and it's
up knives and things like that and it's very rare. You get them from cases and
very rare. You get them from cases and they also have weapon trade-ups. You can
they also have weapon trade-ups. You can trade up to like from common to uncommon
trade up to like from common to uncommon to rare. You know
to rare. You know >> how do you do a weapon trade-ups?
>> how do you do a weapon trade-ups? >> You put like 10 items or whatever it is
>> You put like 10 items or whatever it is and just hit upgrade and upgrades it.
and just hit upgrade and upgrades it. >> Okay. So you have like wow or what?
>> Okay. So you have like wow or what? White, green, blue. And in order to get
White, green, blue. And in order to get a blue, you have to put in 10 greens.
a blue, you have to put in 10 greens. The 10 the tier below.
The 10 the tier below. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly. >> To get a yellow, 10 blues.
>> To get a yellow, 10 blues. >> Okay. So that that's always been there.
>> Okay. So that that's always been there. >> Yes. But you could never trade up to
>> Yes. But you could never trade up to knives or gloves, which is the yellow
knives or gloves, which is the yellow items, but they made it so you can now
items, but they made it so you can now trade up to those items.
trade up to those items. >> So they added the mechanic to the
>> So they added the mechanic to the highest tier. The mechanic was there,
highest tier. The mechanic was there, >> but you couldn't do it with
>> but you couldn't do it with >> Yeah. So they brought down like they had
>> Yeah. So they brought down like they had like a $6 billion market cap. By the
like a $6 billion market cap. By the way, these are for skins. Isn't that
way, these are for skins. Isn't that insane?
insane? >> Six. What does that mean?
>> Six. What does that mean? >> Like all the skins combined are worth
>> Like all the skins combined are worth like $6 billion.
like $6 billion. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> Yeah. And now it's on something like 4
>> Yeah. And now it's on something like 4 billion or something. So it's it's like
billion or something. So it's it's like going down cuz the rarity of these items
going down cuz the rarity of these items are decreasing.
are decreasing. >> Yeah. Over a billion basically overnight
>> Yeah. Over a billion basically overnight from a patch
from a patch >> because you could only pull gloves or
>> because you could only pull gloves or knives from gotcha gambling mechanics.
knives from gotcha gambling mechanics. And now that you can trade up to them,
And now that you can trade up to them, >> you know, there's something
>> you know, there's something >> screws over all the knives.
>> screws over all the knives. >> Yeah. The whole economy is disrupted.
>> Yeah. The whole economy is disrupted. And it's kind of interesting. Somebody
And it's kind of interesting. Somebody had tweeted out like about how it's
had tweeted out like about how it's interesting that just a decision some
interesting that just a decision some devs can make and patch a game can like
devs can make and patch a game can like send a ripple effect.
send a ripple effect. >> First off, if you have your whole net
>> First off, if you have your whole net worth in CSGO knives, you're an idiot.
worth in CSGO knives, you're an idiot. >> Like you're just you're just an absolute
>> Like you're just you're just an absolute [ __ ]
[ __ ] >> Like this is a video game where like
>> Like this is a video game where like it's not even like explicitly allowed to
it's not even like explicitly allowed to sell these things,
sell these things, >> you know, cuz CSGO can ban you at any
>> you know, cuz CSGO can ban you at any time they want.
time they want. >> Your account is a rental.
>> Your account is a rental. >> Yeah. Like Yeah. Exactly. Like you can
>> Yeah. Like Yeah. Exactly. Like you can get banned for whatever. Let's say like
get banned for whatever. Let's say like let's say you have a $100,000 CSGO skin
let's say you have a $100,000 CSGO skin it whatever and then you decide to hack
it whatever and then you decide to hack and you get vac banned.
and you get vac banned. >> You can no longer trade your skins.
>> You can no longer trade your skins. They're gone.
They're gone. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> You know, so it's just to have your
>> You know, so it's just to have your money in these accounts is insane.
money in these accounts is insane. >> Do you think there's people who like
>> Do you think there's people who like almost like memecoin full-time trade
almost like memecoin full-time trade skins and they don't even play on their
skins and they don't even play on their account. It's just there. Yes.
account. It's just there. Yes. >> 100% 100% 100%.
>> 100% 100% 100%. >> Interesting. Because in a way I don't
>> Interesting. Because in a way I don't even see a big difference between
even see a big difference between somebody day trading meme coins and
somebody day trading meme coins and stuff and somebody who just runs
stuff and somebody who just runs accounts.
accounts. >> There's a big difference. One is an
>> There's a big difference. One is an unregulated skin market where some some
unregulated skin market where some some crusty, you know, Cheeto fililled.
crusty, you know, Cheeto fililled. >> But isn't memecoin's all unregulated,
>> But isn't memecoin's all unregulated, too, right?
too, right? >> I don't know what meme coins
>> I don't know what meme coins >> I don't even know my Steemit. I haven't
>> I don't even know my Steemit. I haven't gambled in CSGO
gambled in CSGO >> in probably a decade.
>> in probably a decade. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> I don't know how much money I've got on
>> I don't know how much money I've got on that account, but it's probably Well,
that account, but it's probably Well, it's probably gone down actually. No, I
it's probably gone down actually. No, I think I have no knives, so everything
think I have no knives, so everything went up. Yeah.
went up. Yeah. >> All like the I think I have like a bunch
>> All like the I think I have like a bunch of dragons.
of dragons. >> You should ask me where one of your
>> You should ask me where one of your dragon lords is.
dragon lords is. >> Do you have one of mine?
>> Do you have one of mine? >> I had one of yours.
>> I had one of yours. >> Where is it now?
Who has it? Nick >> Valve has it?
>> Valve has it? >> No. Worse.
>> No. Worse. >> Leah. Not that bad.
>> Leah. Not that bad. >> I'm not sure if it's good or bad for the
>> I'm not sure if it's good or bad for the economy. You know, I I I know I have a
economy. You know, I I I know I have a lot of reds. Um, I couldn't think too
lot of reds. Um, I couldn't think too >> [ __ ] train wrecks. Train wrecks his
>> [ __ ] train wrecks. Train wrecks his money went up apparently because he
money went up apparently because he didn't have a lot of knives. He had a
didn't have a lot of knives. He had a bunch of reds.
bunch of reds. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Which again, Reds are the ones that can
>> Which again, Reds are the ones that can trade up to knives. So, those went up.
trade up to knives. So, those went up. Knives went down.
Knives went down. >> I I just have play skins, you know, like
>> I I just have play skins, you know, like my my my howl. You know,
my my my howl. You know, >> that's a red.
>> that's a red. >> No, that's actually not a red. A how is
>> No, that's actually not a red. A how is a It's like an orange. It's like a It's
a It's like an orange. It's like a It's uh You can't get the skin anymore
uh You can't get the skin anymore because
because >> I have one of those, too.
>> I have one of those, too. >> Right. And the thing, right, they're
>> Right. And the thing, right, they're very rare. Um,
very rare. Um, >> how much are they worth?
>> how much are they worth? >> Quite a bit. So, thing about the how,
>> Quite a bit. So, thing about the how, just off topic, it's because uh they
just off topic, it's because uh they made this skin with a design from
made this skin with a design from someone they didn't have the rights to
someone they didn't have the rights to the gun and they uh they put it in the
the gun and they uh they put it in the game and then they stopped it from being
game and then they stopped it from being ever opened again.
ever opened again. >> Oh, so you can't get it anymore?
>> Oh, so you can't get it anymore? >> No [ __ ] No new one of those ever.
>> No [ __ ] No new one of those ever. >> So, the more popular CSGO gets, the more
>> So, the more popular CSGO gets, the more value this thing
value this thing >> cuz you can never get it again. So,
>> cuz you can never get it again. So, >> never get it again.
>> never get it again. >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> I mine Stat Track.
>> I mine Stat Track. >> That's crazy. I don't think I have a
>> That's crazy. I don't think I have a Stat Track one.
Stat Track one. >> I do. I do. I do. I also, yeah, I have
>> I do. I do. I do. I also, yeah, I have some pretty good skins. Um, but at the
some pretty good skins. Um, but at the end of the day, man.
end of the day, man. >> Hey guys, we're gonna head over to the
>> Hey guys, we're gonna head over to the bonus episode. Um, if you want to watch
bonus episode. Um, if you want to watch that, it's in the [ __ ] Patreon. Also,
that, it's in the [ __ ] Patreon. Also, lot of Alaska [ __ ] I went to
lot of Alaska [ __ ] I went to Alaska. It was really great with Figgy
Alaska. It was really great with Figgy and my father. Um, fun pictures, fun
and my father. Um, fun pictures, fun videos. Uh, yeah. [ __ ] you. Vlog. Good
videos. Uh, yeah. [ __ ] you. Vlog. Good to be back.
to be back. >> Thanks for watching.
>> Thanks for watching. >> Thanks for watching,
>> Thanks for watching, [ __ ]
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