0:00 Now this question of genocide is
0:02 something that has become a huge topic
0:05 in the last year. Many people including
0:08 some scholars of genocide have said that
0:11 it looks like uh Israel is committing
0:13 genocide in Palestine. Um including Omar
0:16 Barov most recently on Swiss radio. Uh
0:20 there's many and there's also people who
0:22 disagree with that of course. Um so what
0:25 would you say people need to understand
0:27 about genocide? how that relates to
0:29 Shrebanita and how does that relate to
0:31 Gaza as well? Oh, I don't know where to
0:33 start. There's so many things to say
0:35 here. First of all, most people don't
0:37 even know what genocide is. What is
0:38 genocide? Well, it's not lots of
0:41 killing, but it's um to put it in like
0:44 the most simple terms from the UN um
0:48 genocide convention. Um it's one or more
0:51 acts committed with the intent to
0:53 exterminate a group of people. So it can
0:56 be killing but it can also be um like
0:59 forced sterilization
1:01 and it can also be creating
1:03 circumstances uh calculated to bring
1:05 about the physical destruction of the
1:07 group for example man man-made famines
1:10 or destroying the medical system
1:13 attacking hospitals stuff like this uh
1:15 and so on and so on. So there's like
1:17 list of things that can be methods of
1:19 genocide and this is very clear and this
1:22 is what people should understand because
1:23 we had for example um like we have now
1:26 the genocide against Ugers in China
1:28 where forced sterilization is the main
1:31 main genocide method and you don't have
1:33 to be like a genius or a biologist or
1:35 anything to understand that if you
1:38 sterilize almost every Uigur woman
1:41 there's not going to be another
1:43 generation of Ugers. Have they really
1:45 sterilized almost every we got woman?
1:47 They haven't. But that's the goal. But
1:49 you know, uh, journalists see, oh, I
1:51 don't see like a pile of dead bodies, so
1:54 that's not genocide. That's not how it
1:57 works. You can see a pile of dead
1:58 bodies. For example, the bombing of
2:00 Germany in World War II. Um, almost half
2:03 a million people were killed, but the
2:05 goal of the Allies was not to
2:07 exterminate the German nation. It was to
2:09 stop Hitler. And of course you can say
2:12 that maybe the bumping of Driston was
2:14 too intense or maybe this was too bad or
2:16 that was too bad and so on, but the
2:18 intent behind it was not to kill every
2:21 single German that exists anywhere. And
2:24 I think that's one of the tough points
2:25 about genocide, which is why people like
2:27 Dirk Moses are even skeptical of the
2:29 term, who's the editor of the genocide
2:31 journal, because it's not just about the
2:33 intent, it's about proving the intent.
2:35 And how can you do that? Which is
2:36 [ __ ] right? Yeah. I mean I think um
2:39 genocide is like way too gatekept way
2:44 too strict. So h I have to like roll
2:48 back a little bit. Um so genocide we
2:50 know the definition now. And who is
2:53 responsible for declaring that something
2:55 is or isn't genocide? People think it's
2:58 the courts. It's not the courts. The
3:01 only genocides that were ever declared
3:03 as such by international courts ever
3:08 were Rwanda, Bosnia, and
3:11 Cambodia starting in 99. So 25 years ago
3:15 with Rwanda. Like are you going to tell
3:17 me there was no genocide ever until 199
3:20 or 95 in that 94 in that case? Um and
3:23 the last one was Cambodia was proven in
3:26 2018. It happened in the 70s. What did
3:30 Cambodians do? Did they say, "Oh, some
3:33 [ __ ] happened here, but we don't know
3:34 because no court said, no court allowed
3:37 us like the white western man didn't
3:39 allow us to call it genocide." No, they
3:41 built the tool slang genocide memorial,
3:45 right? And then in 2018, after so many
3:48 decades, they finally proved it. But if
3:50 you went by international courts, then
3:53 you would have to deny every other
3:55 genocide ever, including the Holocaust,
3:58 including the Primos, including like
4:00 Primos was the killing of Roma and Cinti
4:03 people by the Nazis. Yes. Yeah. Which
4:05 some people also say is like a part of
4:07 the Holocaust. Um so like it's not the
4:11 job of courts because courts don't
4:13 [ __ ] do it in most cases. Um it's the
4:17 job of genocide scholars, genocide
4:19 experts. If they say this and this such
4:22 and such is a genocide, then that's what
4:25 it is. I mean, of course, there has to
4:26 be some type of like agreement,
4:29 consensus, you know, it's with
4:31 scientific stuff, it's always um a
4:34 measure like you have to find a balance.
4:37 There's always people who disagree just
4:38 like there's like climate scientists who
4:41 say that climate change isn't happening.
4:43 You know, you have genocide scholars who
4:45 deny the genocide of the Totsis in
4:48 Rwanda. You know, people like that
4:50 exist. And that's also a very clear case
4:52 because it happened so quickly. Um
4:54 there's also a bit of a tendency to deny
4:56 the Bosnian genocide on the left though,
4:59 isn't there? Yeah. Because people don't
5:01 have enough brain cells, so they get
5:03 their world views like in a package,
5:06 like on sale. You know, you buy one, you
5:09 get two for free. you buy hating the US,
5:11 you get loving Russia uh in the same
5:14 package. So, you know, that's tanks.
5:17 Tanks are the ones doing that. And it's
5:19 a shame. Well, you know, Nam Chosky, for
5:21 example. Yeah. [ __ ] him. Yeah. I mean,
5:23 he's on record for doubting at least
5:26 that what happened at Shrebbronita was
5:28 for for denying it. He also straight up
5:30 denied it several times. He also denied
5:32 the Cambodian genocide. He was actually
5:35 actively writing to editors of US media
5:39 while the genocide was going on to get
5:41 them to stop reporting on it and stop
5:43 calling it a genocide. That's so strange
5:45 because also he's um come out to say,
5:48 you know, point out that Paul Pot was
5:50 actually partially backed by the West
5:52 during this time. So yeah, but he was
5:54 also partially backed by Nam Chosky who
5:56 tried to downplay his [ __ ] Interesting.
5:58 I mean it's just the guy has built his
6:01 career like he's a linguist.
6:04 And people say, "Oh, you should be
6:05 grateful because he's talking about so
6:07 many things that other people don't talk
6:10 about." Other people do talk about it,
6:12 but they don't get listened to because
6:13 they're not an old white professor, even
6:16 if his professorship has nothing to do
6:18 with genocide, you know. But I got this
6:21 argument from Tanke saying, "Oh, you
6:23 should be grateful because he talked
6:25 about like East Teamer and shit." There
6:27 was people from East Teamer talking
6:29 about East Teamer as well. M just
6:31 because they don't get listened to
6:32 doesn't mean we have to keep pumping up
6:35 and like putting on a pedestal this old
6:38 white dude who did more damage than he
6:40 did good. It's a shame because I saw one
6:44 of my neighbors getting kidnapped in the
6:46 middle of the street in the middle of
6:47 the day being brought to Guantanamo
6:50 tortured for years without even getting
6:52 charged. I [ __ ] hate the government
6:55 of the US,
6:57 but I also [ __ ] hate other
7:00 governments who did [ __ ] I don't
7:02 need to reduce my brain to two brain
7:05 cells to think, "Fuck US imperialism.
7:08 [ __ ] what they did in Iraq. [ __ ] what
7:10 they did in Afghanistan. [ __ ] all the
7:11 drone bombings. [ __ ] Guantanamo and Abu
7:14 Grape. So now I'm going to love Russia
7:16 and China. And now I'm going to be like
7:20 NATO imperialism destroying Milosvich."
7:22 Yeah, [ __ ] me. I have noticed there is a
7:26 bit of a trend on among some of the left
7:28 who are would put a list of, you know, I
7:31 think things which are right to
7:32 criticize the invasion of Iraq,
7:34 Afghanistan, uh a number of others and
7:37 then and then they would put Serbia in
7:39 there as well, right? I think people
7:40 don't really understand actually what
7:43 was happening in Kosovo. I mean maybe
7:45 you can explain for that because a lot
7:47 of people hear NATO bombing of
7:48 Yugoslavia. They think Yugoslavia was
7:50 this socialist country. But of course at
7:52 that point it was not even Yugoslavia.
7:54 It was the rump state of Serbia and
7:57 Montenegro who were committing genocide
8:00 on neighbors through funding
8:01 ethnicbacked militias uh and through
8:04 their own like for example ina there
8:07 wasn't even militias it was um like
8:10 regular units of the Serbian Ministry of
8:14 Interior. Wow. Funded by the state under
8:17 direct control of Milosvich. Mhm. And so
8:19 then what what about Kosovo? was the
8:21 West. It was also the police of Serbia,
8:25 the police of Serbia and the Army of
8:27 Serbia. So, everybody's talking about
8:29 Black Lives Matter. We support Black
8:30 Lives Matter. Of course, we do. We
8:32 support it not only in the US but also
8:34 in Brazil and in other places where
8:36 black people get killed by the police uh
8:38 in like injust cases and we in Germany
8:41 and in Germany where uh it's black
8:44 people and also Muslims is also refugees
8:46 and also in a lot of cases people with
8:49 mental health issues that get uh killed
8:51 by the police um injustly or burned to
8:54 death even. Um, so we're against police
8:58 brutality anywhere it's happening. But
9:00 then in Kosovo where you have police
9:02 officers of the state, I mean Kosovo was
9:05 part of Serbia at the time. So you have
9:06 police of your own state coming to your
9:09 house raping your children, your young
9:12 daughters in front of your eyes, killing
9:15 people, raping people, torturing people,
9:18 uh building mass graves. you had like uh
9:21 like a truck full of the corpses of
9:25 Albanian civilians um um like have an
9:29 accident on the road and then like uh
9:32 slide into um like off the road and then
9:35 they discovered the corpses that were
9:37 being driven to Belgrade. Belgrade is
9:40 like there they have mass graves of
9:42 Albanians. People who are still today
9:44 searching to get even a single bone of
9:47 their loved ones so they can bury them
9:49 so they can have some closure but they
9:51 don't get it because the mass graves are
9:53 in Serbia
9:54 and they don't have access to it. I mean
9:57 Albanians of course were the uh ethnic
10:00 other ethnic group non-Serbian in Kosovo
10:03 and uh are mostly majority. I mean, we
10:07 have this on record also, not just in
10:09 Kosovo in Eastern Bosnia. We have this
10:11 on record that, for example, the [ __ ]
10:13 psychopath teachers that were beating my
10:16 mom and all her other like school kids
10:19 in elementary school were sent from
10:22 Belgrade. Um, they were sending people
10:24 from Serbia and from Montenegro, ethnic
10:26 Serbs, to go to uh eastern Bosnia to get
10:30 into positions of power and to change
10:31 the ethnic makeup. And they use it now
10:34 as an uh also we were like banned from
10:36 saying that we're Bosnjaks like you
10:38 mentioned before. Um and now they say,
10:41 "Oh, look at the census from before the
10:44 genocide or before the war." They say,
10:46 "Um, I don't see any Bosnjaks in that
10:48 census." And now you're saying Bosnjaks
10:50 were killed. But you don't see Bosnjaks
10:52 because we were not allowed to say that
10:55 we exist. like just in the 70s like 30
10:59 years after Yugoslavia started and even
11:02 more years if you count like the Kingdom
11:03 of Yugoslavia and so on um we got the
11:06 right to call ourselves Muslims.
11:09 Muslims is not what we are. I mean most
11:11 of us are Muslims but Muslims is also
11:13 like some random guy in Malaysia. Yeah.
11:16 Or Albanians as well. Oh, they they were
11:18 allowed to be an ethnic group, but the
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