0:02 Well, our next guest says the great
0:04 reset is still coming. You know, we
0:05 thought, oh, maybe it's over. The
0:07 globalists are gone, right? But no, it's
0:09 coming, but in a different way under
0:11 President Trump. It's just being sold to
0:13 us differently. So, don't fall for it.
0:15 We're not sick of fans here on the show.
0:16 We're happy to praise President Trump
0:18 when he does something great. We're also
0:20 happy to slam him when this is all being
0:22 shepherded into us right now. cashless
0:26 society, biometric scanning, palunteer,
0:28 all ready to stand there and take over
0:30 the helm to make sure that we're all
0:32 tracked and monitored. Don't take my
0:34 word for it. Europe, European Union
0:36 moving towards getting rid of cash alto
0:38 together. They're on the record already
0:40 saying that you you'd be considered
0:42 basically a terrorist or in the gray
0:45 market if you transact in cash over a
0:46 certain amount. Oh, you want to pay your
0:49 gardener €500? Sorry, you're a terrorist.
0:51 terrorist.
0:53 This is what they're doing. Christine
0:55 Lagarde told us that Mark Goodwin is the
0:58 author of the Bitcoin dollar. He's an
0:59 investigative journalist at Unlimited
1:01 Hangout alongside Whitney Webb and
1:04 friend of the show. And uh you know, we
1:05 just also got this word. So, I want to
1:07 bring Mark into the show. Mark, great to
1:09 see you here and welcome back. It's been
1:10 a I mean, you were spot on. I think you
1:13 were on the show maybe two years ago and
1:15 you predicted all of this. Good to see you.
1:15 you.
1:17 Something like that. Yeah, it's great to
1:19 be back, Clayton. Thanks so much. So, at
1:20 the time, maybe you could just wind the
1:21 clock back a little bit. What were you
1:23 warning us about about two years ago?
1:25 Um, you know, cashless biometrics,
1:27 stable coins, US dollars being backed by
1:30 stable coins in order to hide the debt.
1:32 You know, we got $37 trillion in debt.
1:33 What are we going to do? Oh, we could
1:35 put back it by stable coins and then we
1:38 could offload it on the world and then
1:40 do a rug pull, suddenly end the entire
1:43 crypto, you know, scene, right? Is that
1:45 Do I have that right?
1:46 Yeah, more or less. you know, I mean,
1:48 it's obviously it's very complicated,
1:50 you know, very very much so by design to
1:52 sort of confuse everyone about what the
1:54 real play is here. And, you know, of
1:56 course, it was a bit speculative, you
1:58 know, a year plus ago whenever we did
2:00 talk. Um, but a lot of it has come to
2:02 fruition. And we're now seeing, you
2:04 know, like the special adviser to Putin
2:06 the other day coming out and being like,
2:08 hey, I think crypto is actually a big
2:10 ploy by the United States government to
2:12 uh deal with their debt problems. You
2:13 know, that was that was a story that
2:15 came out. And so basically the thesis of
2:18 the Bitcoin dollar and the idea of you
2:20 know offloading all of this you know
2:23 inflationary effects finding a buyer uh
2:25 for for the debt of the US government.
2:29 Um the the the quick the quick uh
2:31 summation of it is you know we all kind
2:33 of know how the petro dollar works right
2:35 where we're we're offloading um our
2:37 inflationary effects by forcing people
2:40 to buy dollars to be able to get oil. We
2:42 basically recreated that system with
2:44 Bitcoin and digital currency where the
2:47 vast majority of all trades um for
2:49 digital currency are done in dollars.
2:50 So, you know, how do you deal with the
2:52 debt problem? You know, you you have to
2:55 find someone who buys your your reserve
2:57 assets and you need to increase the
3:00 amount of users um that use the
3:01 currency, right? So, you need to solve
3:03 both for the reserves and for the
3:05 currency that's based off the reserves.
3:07 And stable coins really perfectly fix
3:09 both of those problems where, you know,
3:11 they allow anybody access to dollars
3:13 with just a smartphone. Um, anywhere in
3:15 the world now has access to dollars and
3:17 those stable coins, these digital
3:20 dollars are backed um thanks to the
3:22 regulation that we just saw with the uh
3:24 Genius Act are now being forced to be
3:27 backed by US treasuries and and and and
3:30 de facto, you know, US debt. So we're
3:32 seeing kind of all of these issues being
3:35 solved very conveniently um as you know
3:36 the US is now starting to kind of deal
3:39 with its debt problems de debasing the
3:42 dollar and now starting to cut rates. So
3:44 you know I think it it made a lot of
3:45 sense then and now we're really seeing
3:48 it start to happen. Um and so of course
3:50 we'll get into these these signposts of
3:53 what all of this biometric and debanking
3:55 um capital controls have to do with all
3:56 of that. But that's basically a quick
3:58 summation of the Bitcoin dollar idea.
4:00 No, thank you for that. And Arthur
4:02 Katrrell in our chat room says, "Mark is
4:04 a very smart guy that should be taken
4:06 seriously." And I agree. I mean, again,
4:07 if you rewind the clock back to what
4:09 Mark was saying more than a year and a
4:11 half ago or so, he's spot on. And now
4:12 we're seeing it. I mean, just look at
4:15 this headline here on Vietnam. Vietnam
4:18 freezes 86 million bank accounts. Um Jim
4:20 Rickards was on talking with uh Danielle
4:22 Kimone and she was saying that like
4:24 because they want to move Vietnam to a
4:27 mandatory biometric ID system and they
4:29 would freeze these accounts as sort of a
4:32 model a sort of a trial run for a
4:34 centralized digital control and I think
4:36 you're going to see that across Asia. Um
4:37 we're already seeing obviously in in
4:39 part in parts of you know in China as
4:41 well. So, can you talk about this or
4:43 this? Vietnam just says, "Hey, 86
4:45 million bank accounts frozen. We're
4:47 moving you to this new system."
4:50 Yeah, I mean, I think it plays into uh
4:52 you know, very directly into this play,
4:55 right? If if you're trying to find more
4:58 users for the dollar system um and
4:59 you're using these stable coins to do
5:03 that, um what that really does is it,
5:04 you know, ironically, it's a very
5:07 centralizing effect on monetary policy.
5:08 you know, the whole the ideology of
5:10 crypto is supposed to be this
5:12 decentralization idea. And in many ways
5:14 that is true, of course, at a protocol
5:16 level, but in actuality for monetary
5:18 policy, if you're giving every single
5:20 person in the world, like say millions
5:24 of people in Vietnam access to dollars,
5:25 um all they have to do is get out of
5:27 their local currency using their bank
5:29 account using a smartphone and an app
5:32 and they have access to dollars. Um and
5:33 especially dollars that give you a
5:36 yield, you know, part of that, you know,
5:37 the reserves that are issued, these
5:39 treasuries are giving you a little bit
5:41 of uh a yield based on the the federal
5:43 funding rate. So now everybody around
5:45 the world has access to dollars and
5:48 access to yield. Uh even though the
5:50 dollar is of course, you know, losing
5:52 value as it's inflating, uh you know,
5:54 it's it's doing better than most other
5:57 countries um currencies in general. We
5:59 have this sort of dollar milkshake
6:02 theory idea. So you put yourself in the
6:04 shoes of, you know, the Vietnam, you
6:07 know, central bank or the or the the the
6:08 regulators in Vietnam, the bank
6:10 regulators that are doing their best to
6:12 keep everybody localized in their local
6:15 currency and keeping their money in the
6:18 country. Now that all of the the people
6:19 in their country suddenly have access
6:21 and are able to get out of the local
6:24 currency, um the the central bank and
6:27 the and the the uh the governing body
6:29 suddenly has a huge issue to deal with
6:32 of capital flight and we don't want all
6:34 of the money just to flow into the US.
6:36 So how do you actually meaningfully
6:39 fight that? Well, you threaten to debank
6:42 people unless they uh you know uh uh
6:47 adhere to regulation and biometric um
6:50 digital identification systems which due
6:51 to the nature of these stable coins
6:54 being on public blockchains, these open
6:57 databases that anyone can access. If you
6:59 have connected biometrics and digital
7:01 IDs associated with your wallet
7:03 addresses and with your ins and outs of
7:06 this new digital economy, you now
7:08 suddenly have this great ability to
7:12 track uh really warrantlessly surveil uh
7:16 anybody using um these rails and have a
7:18 better chance of keeping people within
7:21 the the system and within your local
7:24 currency. So this is sort of how uh you
7:26 know foreign countries are going to try
7:29 to start dealing with um you know this
7:32 mass dollarization and therefore you
7:34 know via technology and therefore the
7:37 opportunity for mass capital flight. So,
7:40 we're going to see everywhere, uh,
7:42 including the United States, I'm sure,
7:43 of course, because they also want to
7:45 make sure they know where their citizens
7:47 money is going. But, but we're really
7:49 starting to see this first roll out in
7:51 the global south, in in the Euro zone,
7:55 in the UK, a a a very sudden restriction
7:58 on how much you can own um, and what
8:00 sort of ID you have to put up uh, and
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9:56 The joker in our chat room says, "I go
9:58 to the bank, I take out cash, and I buy
10:00 with cash." Like, that sounds great, but
10:02 of course, most banks and many banks
10:03 don't have cash anymore, and they're
10:05 moving away from having cash in their
10:07 vaults. You want to take out some cash?
10:08 Yeah. Come back on Thursday. We may have
10:10 it for you. That's been happening
10:13 repeatedly. Banks are going cashless.
10:15 Um, and you talked about the Euro zone.
10:17 As Bumpy in our chat says, this is what
10:18 the UK government wants done in the UK,
10:21 using a crypto euro dollar. So, moving
10:23 you away from the euro, moving you onto
10:26 a digital euro.
10:28 Yeah, exactly. I mean, I think we really
10:30 saw this, you know, of course, we had
10:32 been hearing about these great reset
10:35 ideas um you know, before the the
10:37 pandemic, of course, but that really
10:39 accelerated everything and really
10:41 brought a lot of these issues, you know,
10:43 right to the forefront. uh you know they
10:46 really attacked cash uh extremely
10:48 heavily whether it was you know putting
10:50 capital controls on or how much cash you
10:52 can take out or just literally like
10:53 restricting businesses from being able
10:56 to accept cash you know for fears of
10:58 viral transfer or or whatever have you.
11:00 But of course this is a this is a huge
11:03 attack on financial freedom. um you know
11:05 cash uh certainly while still being fiat
11:06 money and still having a lot of issues
11:09 of being political money uh it's an
11:11 extremely hard it's a bearer asset in
11:13 many ways and it's extremely hard to to
11:16 track and trace um you know the exchange
11:19 of cash between bartering parties and
11:21 and that's a very good thing for folks
11:23 like us that you know want to go buy
11:25 something and not uh you know let
11:27 everybody uh you know that's a part of
11:29 the trusted chain in the uh settlement
11:31 be able to see what's going on. So cash
11:34 is a very important tool for uh freedom
11:36 advocates and it's something that should
11:38 be fought for even if you are uh someone
11:40 who is a believer or a longtime holder
11:42 of digital assets. You know, cash is an
11:45 extremely important check and balance to
11:48 a a rapidly digitalizing world and
11:50 especially when you're looking at now
11:52 we're seeing you know the worst of the
11:56 worst worlds of you know digital fiat
11:59 now creating a you know being being
12:01 published in a decentralized ledger
12:03 right where now anybody in the world who
12:05 downloads the blockchain whether it's
12:08 Ethereum or Bitcoin or uh Salana or
12:09 whatever these chains that have a lot of
12:12 stable coins on them um Now anybody can
12:14 see these transactions and with just a
12:17 little bit of uh you know some of that
12:20 bio biometric digital ID spice um you
12:22 can start to triangulate and
12:24 heristically analyze you know pretty
12:26 accurately uh you know who is spending
12:29 digital uh dollars. So, not only do you
12:31 not get the freedom of fiat money and
12:33 you're still using political money, uh,
12:35 you know, now there's a there's this
12:37 open ledger aspect to it, um, which
12:39 actually, you know, really enables
12:42 warrantless surveillance, um, at at a at
12:44 a quite an extreme level. So the the war
12:47 on cash uh coinciding with the the rapid
12:50 digitalization of of fiat and of stable
12:53 coins is while digital IDs are bursting
12:56 uh is is an extremely dangerous uh
12:58 perfect storm of things that you know as
13:00 you stated in your intro unfortunately
13:02 are sort of pushing us towards these
13:04 pillars of you know Klaus Schwab's great
13:07 reset unfortunately. Well, and you
13:08 brought up surveillance and Mark, I'll
13:11 get you out of here on this um as we're
13:12 running out of time, but I want to ask
13:14 you specifically about Palunteer and
13:16 sort of the biometric,
13:17 you know, surveillance state that we're
13:19 all entering. Um very, very cozy to
13:22 President Trump. Um we know, I mean,
13:24 very cozy. You've written multiple
13:26 pieces on how cozy they are. Um I think
13:29 also tied to Israel and all of this. So,
13:32 we're we're what sort of biometric
13:34 system are we looking at in the United
13:35 States for surveillance? I mean, you you
13:38 know, we see it already at the airport.
13:39 Customs and Border Patrol says, "Right,
13:40 when you walk through this particular
13:42 gate, you're under surveillance. You're
13:43 being watched here. Your photos will be
13:45 deleted." The TSA also says this, but
13:49 it's much bigger than just the airport.
13:50 Yeah, for sure. No, it's happening
13:52 everywhere. Um, I mean, you're just
13:54 seeing the proliferation of of
13:57 surveillance uh everywhere, whether it's
13:59 by, you know, a private entity uh that
14:02 has a strong public relationship like
14:03 Palunteer, which as you said was
14:05 extremely important. Um, the PayPal
14:07 mafia, you know, Palanteer was the
14:09 anti-fraud algorithm at PayPal. PayPal
14:11 mafia at large, Teal Moss, they were
14:13 extremely important in getting Trump in
14:15 office. And it should be of no surprise
14:17 that we're seeing Palunteer get um many
14:19 uh you know government contracts and
14:21 being a big part of this this new push
14:23 for surveillance. We're seeing this
14:26 dialectic push towards you know hey we
14:28 got to restrict you know voter fraud, we
14:30 have to restrict immigration. We have to
14:33 restrict uh domestic terrorism. Um, none
14:34 of these things in a vacuum are
14:37 necessarily bad, but what is the place
14:39 that it's bringing us to when it's
14:40 combined with cameras everywhere,
14:43 digital money, um, and you know, this
14:45 push for digital ID? Well, someone has
14:47 to run the database. Someone has to be
14:49 the one putting all of this together,
14:51 using their AI to analyze this and
14:53 create, uh, you know, a database of of
14:55 American citizens and people just in the
14:58 US and people worldwide. and Palunteer
15:00 has really uh you know I guess stepped
15:04 up uh to be right there ready uh willing
15:08 and able uh as the regulatory bodies of
15:10 the United States are now you know
15:12 making this something that has to has to
15:14 occur. So, as it relates to digital
15:16 money, we're seeing um you know,
15:19 Palunteers Joe Lansdale is partnering
15:22 with Palunteers Peter Teal uh and Palmer
15:24 Lucky of Andural and they're actually
15:26 creating a stable coin bank in Columbus,
15:28 Ohio called Arabore, another name of a
15:31 Lord of the Rings, uh thing, which is a
15:33 very common place in the Tealverse. Um,
15:35 and we're seeing them actually now start
15:38 to uh roll out, you know, banking um,
15:40 you know, highly regulated banking
15:42 instruments to back stable coins, which,
15:44 you know, really plays into a lot of the
15:45 things I've been warning about, a lot of
15:48 the things I'm concerned about as fiat
15:50 money goes digital. Um, so you know, I
15:53 think Palanteer is sort of just just
15:56 ready to take the uh the the cake here
15:58 um that's being made available as you
16:00 know the Trump administration is pushing
16:03 these um you know these things that are
16:05 that are being set up as if they're for
16:07 our safety but in reality in many ways
16:09 they are probably in snaring us in quite
16:13 a biometric ponopticon unfortunately.
16:14 I mean that's just the we just skimmed
16:16 the surface here. You got to read all of
16:17 Mark's incredible investigative
16:19 journalism on this. that might be
16:20 painful. Like if you're a huge Trump
16:22 lover and you don't want to see any sort
16:24 of any sort of connections to the deep
16:26 state and Palunteer and the biometric
16:29 state that we're now involved with. Um
16:30 it might be uncomfortable, but that's
16:31 what this show is all about, making you
16:34 uncomfortable. Um I'm uncomfortable
16:36 right now. Mark, great to see you. Thank
16:38 for you for your great work. Uh read his
16:40 work over at Unlimited Hangout. Um and
16:42 also follow him on X. He does uh some
16:43 great work there as well. Mark, great to
16:45 see you again. Thank you for this.
16:47 Thank you so much, Clayton, Natalie. a
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