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This content is a presentation and Q&A session by an educational counseling agency specializing in US college applications, focusing on building a strong student profile through various extracurricular activities and standardized testing strategies.
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Well, wonderful. Thanks, thanks everyone
for coming. Um, you know, I'm definitely
excited to um to be here. Last time we
did this, there's a lot of great
questions. So, please, if you have
questions, let's anything you've got,
just put it on the Zoom chat and um
Shurogan will try to um you know, try to
get this. I've got a short presentation
and um and so what we'll do is you know
today we're going to talk about the
college application and you know how the
standardized testing fits into that and
we're going to focus a lot on the US
just because the US has kind of the most
complicated kind of the most complicated
one. Um you know so I'm Nick and I uh I
run SI and this is a counseling agency
and we specialize in kind of endtoend
profile building and very specialized
applications. support. There I am. Went
to Harvard, graduated in 2006. I taught
her to school, read a textbook, and then
I started SI. And here's Shiron
graduates from Georgia Tech in 2009.
He began as a tutor. He has worked with
thousands of students. He has hundreds
of tutors and um you know is an
excellent problem solver. Anything
anything tricky, any complex test,
anything like that, I mean Shurog's got
someone. And so, uh, wait, 45% getting
SAT score. That's awesome. Wow. 1500. Oh
my god. Uh, and that's of course like
pretty much the benchmark for the elite
unis. Now, just a quick a quick look,
okay, about what is the impact of
counseling because it can be very hard
to quantify, be very hard to understand.
Um, you know, the average acceptance
rate for an international student at
what I call a tier one uni, it's like
the top 15 is about 5%. for my students,
assuming they have a certain academic
minimum benchmark, which is like not as
high as people think, it's about 90%.
And so, um, our students, there's three
stats we're very proud of. The middle
one is that um about 70% of our students
uh you know got into their primary
placement their best placement could be
an Ivy League, could be USC with a below
average SAT score. Okay. So like I don't
think I think it's awesome if you have
like a 1560 1570.
You don't really need it. You kind of
need a 1500 though. Um and uh every
single one of our students who applied
to a top 50 rank uni last year got in
100%. Now and so just another and one
more quickie is that this is a set of
unis guys that we think of as this term
the global select. Okay. And it
basically has
um these very very selective uh unis and
there's many more that are amazing but
you could say these are an interesting
representative sample. Average SAT score
is 1530. Our average student was
admitted with a 1430 and so or 1500 and
1430. So it's about 70 points I think is
what really good counseling can do. Now
but what is an application to the US
actually? What is it? It's a set of
information and it's made of three
pieces of information guys. School
grades which is your academics from 9th
until 12th typically reported on a
semester basis not always but typically
the SAT which is a standardized test of
math and English and it seeks to assess
your college readiness and then the
profile. Okay. And the profile is a set
of extracurricular activities which
showcases certain attributes. This is of
course where I come in. This is the bit
that people don't really agree on.
Everyone knows the SAT is important.
Everyone knows the school's grades are
important. Uh you know, but the most
confusion is okay well what is a
profile? And some people wonder you know
I guess I always tell people like people
ask like is this complicated? And the
answer is like yes, it is complicated to
do your profile well, but kind of like
anything that's complicated like a tax
return or a legal filing,
um, that's good. Like the more
complicated the application,
okay, the more chances to get it right,
okay, and the more chances for others to
get it wrong. So the UK, for instance,
has a very simple application. They look
at your 12th grade predicted. They look
at like your admissions test if you take
TMUA or ESAT or something. They look at
the personal statement like a tiny bit
like this much. They look at grades like
this much. It's not complicated. So if
you have the grades and you have the
ESAT, you'll probably get in. And if you
don't have both those things, you almost
you definitely won't get in. And the US
isn't quite like that. Now, so what do
we do? It's careful multi-year
programming. It's one-to-one mentoring.
And we help our students acrew a record
of academic engagement via social
service, internships, online courses,
school engagement, of course, social
projects, which then we help them with
the application essays, too. So, we
basically help you with your profile.
Think of it that the profile is like 9th
grade, 10th grade, 11th grade. It's
almost giving you content to talk about
in your essays. The essays are like the
final year. It's kind of the essays are
kind of a big deal. Now then this is
possible. Okay, this is just another way
of looking at the results. This is
these are our metriculations. Um these
are all of them by the way and so we
formatted this. Sometimes schools report
their placements in this way and yeah
you know this is like the where the kids
have gone and if you add up all these
kids it'll be um it'll be the total
number of students that we've had in the
past 5 years. Now so basically what are
these activities? Profile building is
made of seven types of activities and
that's it. Okay. Uh summer schools,
research papers, there are some
questions about those. We're going to
get to that. Social projects, school
engagement, it's like school clubs and
leadership. Academic enrichment,
non-academic enrichment, this is like
sports and stuff. These are like
Olympiads, internships. That's it.
There's no other type of activity that
can go in a profile. Okay. Now, what
we're going to do is we're going to talk
about each of these bits, okay? And then
you're going to shoot us your questions,
the good ones, the hard ones, the
obvious ones, anything. So, a pro a
summer school, this is kind of the way
we think of it. It's got to be subject
specific. It can be in-person, it can be
online, it can be credit bearing, it can
be preol, it can be graded or not
graded. Okay? A lot of people think that
like online programs are somehow not as
valuable. Actually, I've I believe we've
discovered that the online programs are
more valuable for admissions. Um, now
research projects, what are they? Again,
it's a it's a subject specific
investigation of a specific question
applying a certain kind of method into a
certain kind of structure. A research
project has a very standard structure.
Okay. Uh, we'll talk about that in a
sec. social projects. These are issue
driven kinds of social service
leadership. Issue driven. Keyword issue
driven. Okay? You can't just do a
generic social project. It's got to
relate to some key issue. Ideally, that
issue is something that connects up with
your primary subject, whatever you're
applying for. So, we get to use the
social project as a way to frame
your specific academic interest.
School engagement means joining, leading
or starting clubs. We'll talk about
that. Academic enrichment. This is like
participating in and maybe even winning
like local, national or even
international subjects, competitions
like Olympiads, math Olympiad, John Lock
essay competition, heaps and heaps
non-academic enrichment. This is
actually kind of interesting. I was
thinking of analyzing all my past
students Shurog to see who has like good
sports or like good music you know and
trying to think you know what does that
really mean and then does that have any
clear effect on admissions and like like
my strong suspicion is that the kids
getting into good unis they will
probably have one probably on average
one to 1.5 like like good like piano or
like badminton or something just because
That tends to be what the busy and
successful students do. They just
they're doing activities because they
because they're they're motivated, you
know. And then internships. These are
kind of the least important, but we'll
talk about that. Now, can we redefine a
profile? Yeah, it's a curated and
special mix of activities that's
relevant to a subject. It's got to be
relevant to a subject. Could be
mechanical engineering, could be
economics, could be psychology. Okay?
probably even a specialization within
that subject. And it typically includes
summer schools and it typically includes
research projects, social service
projects, academic and non-academic
enrichment, internships, and even school
engagement. Okay? And that's it. That's
what a profile is, guys. All right. Now,
Now,
so what are these activities
actually? Okay. Now summer
>> okay
>> good summer school I'm sure you guys
have heard of them look it's any program
the way I define it it's any program
that refers to an organized educational
experience in touch with a uni or
college okay of course it happens in the
summer there are three types there's
preol this is for the younger students
I'm sure people have heard of summer at
Brown northwest Western CTD is a little
better. Johns Hopkins is a little
better. Uh these are a little bit more
selective. Uh credit bearing. Again,
these are some of the main ones. It's
about 200 credit bearing programs. This
is like doing a college course at a uni,
like with a uni, like with the college
students at that uni. It's pretty pretty prestigious.
prestigious.
And then the highest class are these
things called selective specialty
programs. These are there's about 10 to
12 of these in the world. These are
hardcore, okay? These are like if you
get into these, you really look like a
genius and they're almost exclusively
related to math. So, and some of them
require tests and I don't know, Sherro,
have you ever Do you guys ever do like
the sumac entry test preparation?
>> Just a couple of kids to be honest.
>> Yeah, it's pretty
>> it's hard.
>> I've heard it's I've heard it's hard
like it's hard to prepare for like
>> it's openended and it's hard. You're
given like what like seven or six seven
problems given a few months and it's like
like
>> it's open it's completely >> yeah
>> yeah
so they want to see how you think about
those questions you know now how do you
select your summer school look keep it
very simple first is the cost set a
budget some of these can be um 10 lakh
no not 10 lakh some of those could be
seven lakh some of them could be like
like like 50,000 okay so I mean first is
the cost then is the mode. If you want
to do it in person versus online, I
would definitely do it online if it was
me cuz it's cheaper and it's basically
equally valuable. In person's more fun
though, you get the exposure. Uh the
dates, it's got to be in your summer.
Okay. The Indian Indian summers do not
exactly match up with American summers.
American summer has just ended. The
Indian summer, you guys have been back
in school probably for like 6 to 8 weeks
at this stage. the duration.
Some of these programs are like seven
weeks. Okay, that that's not that's not
good usually. And then any specific
eligibility criteria. So look, what I
would do, the way we recommend these is
first first we recommend programs that
fit our students preferences. You know,
if you if you can't spend five lakh,
then don't do a program that costs five
lakh. Okay? It's of the correct
intensity. It's the three types we
discussed at the beginning. If you're
rising 11th grader, you need to do the
credit bearing option. You need to and
then it aligns with your major. It has
to align with your major. There's many
ways to find that fit. If you're
applying for mechanical engineering,
doing a summer program in math, perfect.
Doing a summer program in physics,
perfect. Even doing a summer program in
like architecture, eh, could be. There's
a little bit of fit there. Doing
something in like economics, obviously
doesn't quite fit. Now, research
projects. Okay, what the heck are these? Now,
Now,
these are long form written explorations
of a specific issue, a specific problem.
There's no such thing as a general
research project. It has to be about a
specific problem. It uses academic
methods. That's kind of the hard part.
That's usually what you go to college to
learn. And then you have some kind of
product at the end. You have it like a
10 pager. There's two types. There's
independent and there's mentored.
Independent means you do it. Mentored
means your mentor kind of advises you on
what to do and usually probably helps
you with some of the harder parts. Now,
a research paper has the following bits.
They always have the following bits. So,
it's that always has an introduction and
that's where you like lay out your
problem statement. It's usually about
one page. Okay. A literature review.
This is where you have to show that
you've looked at some of the existing
papers that talk about that problem.
Okay? And you're sort of bringing up and
saying, "Well, why these aren't exactly
the correct answer, how they haven't
fully investigated the problem, things
like that." So, you're kind of faultf
finding. Usually, you'd have like five
to eight five to eight papers you site.
Then there's a method section. This is
candidly, this is the really difficult
part, the methods, because there's
several different kinds of methods.
There's statistical methods. There's
qualitative methods. There's theoretical
methods. So, you got to have some
methods. You have to investigate some
data set. So, you're asking a specific
question. You're saying how others
haven't fully answered it. Okay? You're
saying how you're going to how you're
going to find your answer and what
you're going to be looking at. That
would be your data. And most people just
get open access data sources. You can
collect your own data. That's called a
primary research paper. That takes
forever. You don't need to actually do
that. You analyze that data using the
methods you've outlined. Usually, this
is a couple of tables and charts and you
get some result and that's like a page
and then you have some little discussion
and conclusion piece. Okay, this is like
a pitch. So, we're excited. It's usually
basic, guys. Think of it. It's a 10-pager
10-pager
typically with these six sections which
um has usually two tables and charts. I
wish someone had explained this to us uh
you know when we were entering high
school. I certainly had no idea about
this when you when we were you guys age.
Now the social project is the big one.
Okay, because this tackles an issue
which shows a nuanced comprehension of
the impact of that issue on a specific
group. Okay, think of it this way. Your
profile basically is going to be about
the following sentence. I want to study
blank subject because I feel like this
can really help me explore blank issue.
Okay, so the subject and the issue kind
of go together or they don't go
together. So for instance, it wouldn't
make sense to say I want to study
mechanical engineering because I think
it can one day help me tackle the issue
of child literacy.
Engineering and child literacy, they
don't have a connection. it's not there.
Instead, you could say, I want to study
engineering cuz I want to one day tackle
the issue of renewable energy in India.
Those are totally connected. So, this is
kind of a very special form of
counseling. Uh it like it can seem
really complicated, but it comes down to
one very simple equation. You need to
have a partner organization.
Okay? So, you need to have some NGO or
some company. You do the project in
partnership with them. then they can
give you a good L. You've got to have a
target group you're helping. You've got
to do something with that target group.
That's the engagement. And there's many
different types of engagement. We've
identified 14 types of engagement.
There's 14 things you can do. Typically,
there's an awareness raising bit with
some kind of content element. That's
usually there's about 32 33 different
types of content. Okay? You usually have
to do a donation. Doesn't have to be
money. Could be like giving away
material, could be giving school
supplies, could be doing a whatever. You
got to document it somehow. Typically, a
simple website, make a Google website.
It's freaking free. Okay? So, it's
always going to have these six bits. Now,
Now,
and I'm actually going to explain them a
little further just because this is
complicated. You need to have a partner.
You can't just go and like feed dogs in
your colony. No one can verify that. All
right? No one can give you an L. You've
got to have a group, a specific group
you're going to help. There's no such
thing as a general social project. Then
that's just charity. That's not a social
project. Some kind of engagement. This
is always going to relate to either
poverty relief, environmental action,
community health, or equality and rights.
rights.
You going to have a little donation.
Okay? This is what you give. This is
some either giving some kind of resource
or removing a barrier to some kind of
resource. Okay. And then some kind of
documentation, an accurate website with
pictures. Hit a couple social project
awards. There's Promeica. There's the
Diane Award. There's many more awards. Now,
Now,
the big three are the summer schools,
the research project, and the social
projects. Why are they the big three?
They take the most time. Okay? By far.
They take the most time. going to take
the most money. Now, the bottom view,
school engagement is a really good kind
of uh kind of profile building tool
because it's free and it's easy. You can
just join a club in high school. These
usually meet for like half an hour a
week. You don't do very much. You can
try to lead that club eventually. That's
a big thing. You can try to start a
club. This is the hard part. This part
is really valuable because this means
like changing your school for the
better. like creating a new offering for
all students to benefit from. The way to
start a club, you got to get school
permission. Okay? Typically, you got to
give a pitch. You got to give them the
idea and then they're going to ask more
details. That's more of an extended
proposal. The proposal stage two. Okay?
Sometimes they might ask for even more
information. And then you can give a
detailed plan. And the detailed plan
would be like a session plan like saying
that the exact things you want to cover
all year. Plan out like 15 30 sessions.
It's kind of complic it's kind of
tedious but it's do very doable. Now
academic enrichment is something we
love. Okay. Because this is really our
bread and butter because we think it's
all about completing that single
sentence. I want to study blank subject
because one day I want to tackle blank
issues. So that means you got to show
you're good at your subject and you've
got to show you care about that issue.
That's it. That's what it comes down to.
And so the way you show you're good at
that subject, that's where
the academics come in. Okay, so look, we
love these exams, these competitive
exams. Um, they're basically very low
cost. They're you can usually take them
online. Some of them are really
valuable. Math Olympiads, Science
Olympiads, there's AMC tests, there's
the Waterlue test, there's IOQM, science
olympiads, lots of different Indian
ones. Uh competitions, they're a little
different than exams. An exam is
something that you sit. A competition is
something you submit. Okay? Lots of
essay competitions, lots of science
research competitions.
Um this there's these special category
category that we call enrichment
programs, student enrichment programs.
We just refer to those as step programs.
These are like doing a course, you know,
doing a program, doing like a leadership
program. Why not? Okay. It's kind of
like a summer school except they happen
during the year. and they're not
affiliated with unis. And then there's
just like online courses. Honestly,
there's so many on Corsera Edex. They're
free. Uh they take a long time. I don't
think they have that much value cuz most
people just lie about them, but some
people do them. Now
note, there's basically four academic
domains you can hit up guys, okay?
There's STEM, business, eco, humanities,
and the arts. So your profile is going
to fall into one of these. There's no
doubt. Okay? Mechanical engineering
would be STEM. Finance would be business
eco. Sociology would be humanities. Like
theater would be the arts. There's like
this is like 20 20 subjects here. 10
subjects business eco. About 40 subjects
in the humanities and about 10 in the
arts. It's about about 70 to 80 subjects
total. This is basically what American
universities offer. About 70 or 80
subjects usually. Now,
this shows you're going beyond the
standard curriculum. It makes a deeper
and more enriching picture. You don't
have to win these things, but you just
have to do them, okay? And they tie up
in strange ways. So, a math Olympiad can
be totally helpful to boost a physics
profile. An environment competition can
help show a focused interest in like
eco. Okay, so this is what we call the
mosaic technique. That just means making
a cool picture through different pieces
and it really freaking works. So the
more of these opportunities you can
participate in the better. We made a
website called pipums.com. It has like 5
to 600 of these things. Guys, you can do
join. You can do a trial. We get a we
get a premium version, you know. Uh we
get a premium version. It's cheap. It's
like 10 bucks a month literally. So
check it out. We'll link it at the end.
Now non-academic enrichment. This the
second to last one. There's two types of
this. This is kind of interesting. This
is what I meant about that. you know,
does this really help? And there's
basically there's level-based activities
like piano. Martial art, okay, foreign
language, martial art, first thing you
think of in martial art, black belt,
okay, piano, first thing I think about,
trinity exams, grade eight. That's the
best level. Okay, you say your grade 8
piano, boom, they know exactly how good
you are. You say your black belt type
one, they know exactly how good you are.
That's good. It's good for the colleges
to be able to pinpoint that. Okay. Now,
foreign language is if you say you're B2
level in Spanish, that's crazy. That's
damn good. Okay. Sports are also
fundamentally kind of level-based. Okay?
And then there's these other kind that
we think of as being certified. Okay?
Just like you get some certificates, you
know, art, cooking, you know, whatever,
sewing, there's no levels, there's no,
you know, it's just, you know, do it,
get some certificates, that's it. Gus,
so if you're in 11th grade, you can't
start karate and get the black belt. You
don't have enough time. What you could
do, you could do like art. You could
just do some certificate courses, one or
two week courses. It's easy, right? So
these different tools have different
kinds of value. For like an eighth
grader, you got to do the level based.
You have to do level based. It's more
valuable. For a 10th or 11th grader, you
can't do level based. You can't start
something new. You won't get you won't
get to a good enough level in the time
you have. Okay. Now, final thing is
internships. Look, it's typically a 1 to
3 week professional exposure and it has
to include a sector, okay? It's always
going to be at a company that is
attached to a sector. There's no company
that isn't a part of a specific sector
of the economy. Shurog and my companies
were in the education sector. Okay? Then
there's manufacturing sector. There's
retail sector. There's so much. Okay?
There's like 50 sectors. There's a
department. You have to be attached to a
a department in a company. You can't
just like generally go what kind of what
kind of departments are there? There's
marketing, there's finance, there's
sales, there's operations, there's a
lot. Okay. Now then you got to function.
You got to do something. Okay. Usually
this is having a project. So an
internship has these three pieces. It
always has three pieces guys. All right.
And there are certain sectors. Yes.
Which match better with certain majors.
Okay. So guys, it's all about the match
with the major, okay? The subject you're
building your profile around doing like
a social impact type internship that
works so well with economics. Okay, much
better than a finance internship. You'd
be surprised. All right. Now, this does
get complicated because there's like
they're like financial services
companies. That's a sector, but those
companies will have many different
departments. like like a finance company
would have a marketing department.
Confusing, right? Okay. So, I can help
you guys figure that out. Now, so the
profile permutations, this is kind of
cool. Remember we said summer school,
there's three types. Research project,
there's two types. Social project,
there's four components, actually five
components. We'll go with four. School
engagement, there's three types. Join a
club, lead a club, start a club.
Academic enga enrichment. There's four
basic subjects you can engage with.
STEM, business, humanities, arts.
Non-academic enrichment, there's really
only two types of that. Internship has
three components. Multiply all these
things together, that's 1728 permutations,
permutations,
and there's really about 30 common
intended majors pretty much. Like unis
have like a 100 majors, 80 majors, but
we're it's usually only ever 30. So it's
basically 50,000 different profiles, right?
right?
Does it work? Yeah, it works really
well. Okay. So, in the end, you can
probably say that the perfect profile,
it's detailed, it's planned, it's
supported, it's documented, and mostly
it's specific to you. So,
uh this is kind of our subsidiary
offerings. Again, this website
pipums.com. Go check this out. Go. You
can search up your interest. You can
look for you can enter your bio data.
It'll only show you competitions you're
eligible for. Trust me, that's a really
complicated part of it. We got a reading
program for our students. We got a cool
tutor network. It doesn't it doesn't
begin to rival AP Gurus. But if you want
something specialized, some
psychologist, you want some guitar
tutors, something like that, hit me up.
Okay. Now, that's it. All right. So,
that's what we do. And now, I want to
hear your questions. I want to hear all
the questions.
um you know the tough ones anything
about President Trump go for it all
right so Raj maybe you can moderate or
Simudra maybe you can moderate and then
Shurog and I can just kind of chat
>> there's quite a few questions on the chat
chat
>> all right now actually Raj we'll just
pick them up on the chat so guys good John
John >> um
>> um
>> giving these so
question are the research papers which
have been mentored versus the papers
that have been made individually, are
they judged and marked differently?
That's a great question, man. Um,
you know, like for me and Shurog, um,
well, I know that if someone had told me
in high school that I could work with
like a PhD student or even a junior
faculty to like develop a really cool
paper, I wouldn't have believed you. I
wouldn't have known what that was. And
you know, then I got to college and I
realized, wo, that's what all of the
high the high performing kids are trying
to do. That's what all of the high-f
flyers do in uni. Maybe with engineering
it's different, Sherog, but I know I
know with like the liberal arts, it's
like getting facetime with the
professors, that's like a big thing. Um,
was it that way at tech?
>> No, it was hard to get facetime professor.
professor.
>> Well, it's hard as hell. Yeah. Like it's like
like
>> very hard.
>> You're going to like fight for it.
You're going to
>> And we look Yeah, we look forward to it,
too. to be honest.
>> Oh, you would you would like the
professors, they're like the rock stars.
>> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You look forward
to it. If it's 20 minutes, 10 minutes,
you look forward.
>> You look forward to it. You're fighting
for that time. So, look, the mentored
ones, they allow someone at a pretty
damn good academic level to give you a
letter of recommendation. That's the
main value of the mentored paper. The
mentored paper will be a little bit
higher quality because the mentor can
help with some of the really tricky
parts. I they won't do it for you
ideally but they'll just like advise you
and coach you. They'll give you a really
good letter and letters from
academicians are valued very highly by
the academic organizations. Um
are they judged and marked? They're not
judged these I'm sorry these papers
aren't read by the unis. The unis don't
have time for that. Okay. But you can
say that um you can say that the
mentored ones probably carry a bit more
weightage because you can get a good
letter. All right.
>> Now, how important is taking the E
assessments in grade 10? My kid is in O.
Oh, yeah. OS. Very rare, very weird.
They don't make you take the e
assessments. Um
my basic the basic math of this guys is
that the good unis will have probably
about about one lakh applicants up to
one lakh. Okay. Anything that makes you
easy to understand
equals good. Okay. Pretty much. So if
you take the my assessments, basically
your performance can be boiled down to
one number upon 56. Okay, that's good.
If the number is good, okay, look, so t
take an assessment. If your kid can
crack, I'd say 48 above on 56. Okay,
take the take the E assessments. Take
them all. Okay. But the second rule is
that no grade is showing no grade is
always better than showing a low grade. >> Absolutely.
>> Absolutely. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Um Nick, we do have an option of like
you know taking four e assessments and
only couple of subject
>> select. Yeah. So what would be your
guide because they have like should we
take only couple of subject that the kid
is interested in
>> and how does it affected in UK
application process and US application process?
process?
>> UK applica US application process I've
had students from OAS get into IB League
uh who did not take the E assessments.
That's true enough. Okay. But it's weird
if you don't take the 10th boards when
your school offers 10th boards. It looks
weird is my deep worry. Okay. So, first
off, make an assessment. Speak to your
students, teachers, understand can they
get 48 above? If yes, stop your
investigation. Take the full EO take the
full. Just do it. Okay. Now if your
child cannot get 48 above then you
investigate specific subjects and you
need to get ideally ideally whatever
subjects they take they're getting six
or seven. Okay no five five is useless.
So then you would say if they well if
they can't get 48 general are there
maybe a few subjects maybe math maybe a
science where they can get six or seven
then you take those. Okay. Now, the
effect on the UK, um, I don't think it
would like kill your UK application or
anything, okay? It's just generally a
bit better to have it. Okay. But remember,
remember,
no grade is always better than low grade.
grade.
>> Okay. Okay. >> Good.
>> Good.
>> All right. Cool. Now, um,
let's see here. So, AP Gurus, yes, thank
you. Please just give your question. So,
Nata is asking, "Oh, e assessments just
did that." Thank you. Now, okay, someone
says, "Hello, Nick. IB kids only take
two science." I know. I know. That's so
anno It's very limited. Okay. And
there's basically
there's basically two circumstances
where you would need to take more than
two sciences. Okay? One would be if
you're applying for any like biotech or
computational biotech subjects. Usually
it's just biotech like biomedical
engineering. Okay? Cuz for engineering
you want to take physics and chem like
you really do need to take chem. And
then of course but for the biomed
engineering you would want to show some
bio as well. That would be three
sciences. Also for Indian medical you've
got to take P CB. Um so what do you do?
Um honestly you supplement through APs.
AP Guru can hook you up. Um,
for bioinformatics, you just take you
take HL math, HL compsai, HL bio. Done.
Um, take AP I would take AP CAP as well.
So, guys, think of it this way. There's
always subjects that go together. Okay?
They go together. So, bio, like bio
always goes bio always goes with chem.
If you tell a US uni you want to study
bio and you don't have chem, they're
going to be like, you do realize bio has
a this has a lot of chem in it. A bio
major would be at least one-third chem.
Okay? If you want to study chemistry,
weirdly you need math, you need homo
mat. If you want to study physics,
weirdly need math. If you want to study
computer science, weirdly you need math.
Okay? There's about 10 10 to 12 subjects
I've identified that are damn popular.
You need math. You almost only need
math. If you want to study economics and
you want to get into Cambridge for
economics, there's only one required
subject that they were that they say you
need to take. And trust me, it's not economics,
economics,
it's math. So, uh, for bioinformatics or
something like comp bio. Yeah. Math AA
bio and like maybe
you you'd have you'd have two options.
You could either take HL AAA math, HL
bio, HL chem plus AP comy or
of course you could take HL math AA HL
bio HLCS plus AP chem um
>> so we don't look into physics at all
because she has taken like an HL bio HL
chemistry HL math in a grade nine and 10.
10.
>> Yeah. um for like bioinformatics. No,
that wouldn't
>> that wouldn't be
>> that wouldn't typically be offered in
the engineering stream, dear.
>> Okay. So, American unis um
>> uh American unis
should have a slide for this, but I
don't. American unis are offered in
streams. Okay, they're offered in
streams. Let me Why don't I just show
you like here? Why don't I just show you
like a rand I'll show you an example of
what I mean by this. Okay, let's look at
um let's look at Georgia Tech. Okay,
let's look at let's look at Shurock's
institution. Okay, now
Okay, so Georgia Tech is offered this is
a university. This is a mega university.
There's probably like 30,000 students.
Now, it's offered in it has a bunch of
different colleges and schools. Okay, it
has engineering. Think of these as
different streams, ma'am. Engineering is
always going to require math, physics,
chem. Always. Okay, computing, it just
requires math and compite. Probably
physics will help too. Sciences, this
would just there would not be general
requirements for this. Okay, this will
include bio, this will include physics.
This would include chem. This would
probably include like 10 other different
sciences. Bio and bioinformatics would
be offered in this one, not in this one.
Okay, do you understand?
>> Yeah, got it. So, yeah.
>> Cool. So, you just look at a a website
like this. We just confirm. How do we
confirm what they offer? You go to four
students. You go to there should
hopefully be a list of majors. Um, and
and
>> there you go. And if you Google it. So,
look. Then, for some reason, Georgia
Tech says there's the college and then
there's the schools. This just means the
different the different departments
realistically. So there's going to be a
mega bio department in the college of
science and then this bio department
this is going to have probably like
literally like five majors. Okay. And so
will let's see here is
bioinformatics a part of this. Um it's
not like usually biioinformatics is not
a separate major just so you know it
would be offered usually as like a
concentration within the bio department. Okay.
Okay. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Sorry that was my complete answer.
Usually usually there is no
bioinformatics or computational bio
major at the top unis. There's bio and
then computational bio would just fall
under that umbrella.
>> Okay. Got it sir. Cool.
>> Thank you.
>> Really good question though. I love
that. Now
>> um let's see there. Is there anything
else? Please. Oh man. Is it enough to do
all seven activities from Tanisha or is
combination any three enough? That's
really interesting. Well guys, your US
application and don't be scared is made
of 10 activities. That is what the US
profile is. It is 10 activities. Okay.
Now, I guess someone who's really good
at math could tell me literally how many
technical permutations and combinations
there are. Technically, you could have
10 different research papers and that
could be your whole profile. But
usually, honestly, people do two summer
schools, okay? And that would probably
be one pre-ol often online or an Indian
pre-ol because it's just less expensive
and that's a good thing. Um, usually one
credit bearing. This is how I advise
people, okay? They would almost always
do two internships. Why? Because they're
easy and you can just arrange it through
a friend's company. It's a great
experience for your kid. Um, so probably
one after 10th, some one after 10th, one
after 11th.
They would usually have one or two
research projects. Okay? Ideally, at
least one mentored project. Okay? Um, so
that's already five activities. And then
they would usually have one good social
service project. Okay. Um typically a
kid would do probably one or two
nonacademic activities. Okay. Which
would be sports or music, violin and
soccer done and hopefully they're in
maybe one or two school clubs. And
that's that's it. That's literally 10
that's 10 activities right there. Okay.
So you know now do the really the really
motivated students the really intense
families sometimes people do three
summer schools sometimes people do three
research papers okay I've some the only
thing I think that would be a big
mistake would be to do more than two
internships because that starts to look
a bit um manufactured and if you do um
more than two social service projects so
the social service project thing um it's
meant to show that you really care about
one issue. So let's say you do a really
really good little project in health and
you do a really good little project in
sustainability. The college is going to
be like which is it like which which do
you care about? You know uh are you
interested in health or are you
interested in sustainability? So you
pick one and because that shows greater
sincerity. Um, so yeah, and honestly I
would say that
school clubs, sports, things like that,
that's free. That's offered to your
school. You already pay for it. You
know, it's part of your school fees. And
so just do that stuff. It's simple. It's
actually simple. Now, oh, and then
academic enrichment. The I would say the
really motivated kids would probably do
10 to 20 such academic competitions
total. Okay. And then honestly, you find
out which one through pipums pippums.com
actually. Now, um, let's see here.
Okay, good. What kind of social impact
should a chill do if interested in a
history major? Oh man, that's great.
What a great question. Okay. Well,
there are essentially Okay. Basically,
there are about
there's about 40 total things
that a kid can do. Okay? There's about
40 total things. What I'm going to do is
I'm going to show you guys an example of
that. Okay? And then the goal of course
is to map one of these 40 total things
onto an academic subject. So this is an
internal matrix that we use. So it's all
about what we call the preacher
categories. Now I'm giving you some good
highlevel stuff here guys. Okay. Usually
people pay my huge fee in order to get
this insight. So PR that's poverty
relief. Okay.
Environmental Action, that's the EA. Okay.
Community Health,
that's the CH piece. And equality and
rights, this is the ER piece. Preacher.
It spells preacher. Any social service
issue you can think of is going to fit
into this. Okay. This one is really best
for STEM applicants. Just that's a
freebie. Okay. Now, so what does it
mean? What is poverty relief? Um,
typically it's a financial literacy.
It's digital literacy. It's education
reform. Okay. Do a project, teach
astrophysics in a school. That's cool.
That's okay. That's great. That's
poverty relief. You know, it's anything
that relates with skilling. It relates
to housing and food. Okay. Um, career
guidance. All this stuff is good stuff.
environmental action, you know, relating
to it relates to water, okay, to air,
air pollution, okay, to solid waste.
Solid waste is really difficult to do
well because
a lot of people are doing solid waste
projects. Recycling, you can't just
recycle like 10 kgs of plastic. To stand
out, you'd have to recycle like 10 tons
of plastic these days. Okay. Now,
agriculture is a really cool sector
within environment. Disaster management,
renewable energy systems, ecology, biodiversity,
biodiversity,
you could say environmental justice, you
could say ocean health. Hell, you could
even say environmental health.
Environmental health is a very special
category. Okay. Community health,
women's health. This is this if you're
applying for bio or psychology basically
you have to do a community health social
service project and if you are applying
for anything apart from those two majors
you should not do this it does not boost
your profile much okay now women's
health children's health preventative
health different kinds of breast cancer
this obviously goes kind of under
women's health nutrition
that's that's health reproductive health
like about your you know like you know
like menration and stuff. It's important
SDI testing that falls under
reproductive health. That's very
controversial. Works great. Um, you
know, mental health, body positivity,
you know, learning disabilities, people
with disabilities.
Okay. All this is community health. And
then there's equality and rights.
Typically, it's women's, it's typically
women's empowerment, but it can be it
can be period poverty. It can be
violence prevention, gender- based
violence. It could be LGTQ plus support,
you know, things like that. Okay.
Cultural promotion,
um, you know, child labor,
anti-trafficking, you know, it's that's
against the human rights. Okay? So,
history and stuff works really well for
equality and rights. Just so you know,
it can work well with anything, but
typically if I was counseling you, I'd
be thinking, let's do something with
equality and rights. Okay? Probably
relating if your if your child's a girl,
relating to something with girls. So it
could be like like ant like like
antiviolence for women. That would be
amazing. Okay. If your child's a boy,
you could like do like
um I would do probably something with
like tribal groups. Okay. Now then you
think how do I actually do that? You
need an NGO.
Um I'm tied up with about 100 NOS's
across India. Uh this is something we're
continuously trying to expand. We can do
any different demographic. You want to
do a project with prisoners? I've got
that. You want to do a project with
tribal groups? I can do that. You want
to do a project with people with
disabilities, I can do that. Usually
what people do honestly, they come to
me, they talk to me, they talk to my
team, we figure out exactly what project
they should do with what group matching
their subject. Okay? So, it's a whole
big system, guys. I can totally I
literally do this all day, every day.
Now, love that question. Okay. Um, is
there anything else? Would a game like
golf be supported?
Um, oh, sorry. The previous question.
What subject should you take in IBDP for
medicine? Well, for medicine, as Shurog
will tell you, don't apply for the US
first off. Okay. I hate to say, uh, the
US has about 4,000 unis and colleges,
just so you know, but there's only about
160 that have med schools. And only
about 40 of those 160s even allow international
international
non US passport holders, okay, to apply,
okay? Um
and so and those 40 they would usually
take a batch size of probably about 15
to 20 international students. So that's
about you're talking about a population
of about 500 to 800 students in America
um who are training to become doctors in
America who have not don't have a US
passport. Okay. Now in the US there's
about 25,000 people who graduate med
and so only about 5 to say 800 of that
probably. So we're talking what is that
like one that's 150th. Okay. Would be a
non-American passport holder. Um, now so
do it in the UK, do it in Europe. I'm
got a really good understanding of these
European med schools these days because
I've had to. Um, you would take HL bio
HL CAM HL math AI. Okay, that'd be fine.
Physics is not commonly a requirement
for medical unless you're talking about
India. Um there's no program in the UK
that gives a hoot about physics for
medical. So HL math ho bioh and golf is
golf good? Yeah. As in if you mean by is
is golf supported is it recognized by US
unis? Very much so. Okay. So guys, US
unis are sports mad.
Um, they'll give people seats just
because they're good at their sport.
Georgia Tech would do that. Harvard does
that. Um, there's about 50 sports that
they love. Okay. Uh, basketball,
American football, soccer, whatever,
running, swimming, the heat. Okay.
um Indian school children
just because of the way that the Indian
high schools are set up, they can't be
competitive in 48 out of those 50
sports. Okay, the number one Indian
swimmer in high school unfortunately
wouldn't have a chance to get recruited
by Georgia Tech. But there's two exceptions,
exceptions,
squash and golf. Okay, Indians do get
placements through golf at the elite
unis. The number one Indian junior
golfer is going to make everyone sit up
and take notice. Okay, Stanford would be
like interested in that person. And the
number one Indian squash player usually
just goes to Harvard. Harvard loves
squash. So good. Golf is an amazing
sport to play. If you're really good,
you can get recruited by coaches. You
can get a scholarship. even there's a
really interesting guy called Amit
Luthra um who is an excellent golf coach
or is very tied up with Indian golf. I
also advice on the recruiting stuff. I'm
happy to have a session. Um now those
are some great questions today. What is
the prerex for economics? Um
Okay, I'll just pretend you mean the US
or the UK. So for economics
um so Shurog is offering this test
called the TMUA and that is really
commonly required for economics and
Shurog what is the TMUA about?
>> Just math.
>> There you go. Yeah, it's really weird
guys. So economics if you look at London
School of Economics, BSC economics, this
would be a pretty damn good program. You
look at the entry requirements, the UK
unis always give the entry requirements.
The American unis never give the entry
requirements. Okay? They won't tell you
exactly what to do. You have to guess.
What do they want to see? IB diploma. HL
math. Okay? That's HL AAA math, by the
way, not AI. Now, they don't even want
to see economics. You don't even take
economics. Okay? That they'll teach you
from scratch. All right? So, um, if
you're applying for the US or the UK in
something like economics, then having BC
count would be incredibly good. But for
the UK,
I'm sure Shurog knows this, but it's
important for everyone. For the UK, they
only recognize fives. You need five on
five to get any value from an AP for the
UK unis. For the US, they'll recognize
fours and fives. So APs are better for
the American thing. For the UK, it's
like an all or nothing. Yeah.
>> So Nick, interest of time, I think we
have to. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I think it's 1:00. Uh so Nick, thanks.
It's a great session we did every year.
>> That was awesome. That was great.
>> Uh everyone, thanks for listening. I
mean, uh Rajni has put down details on
the chat.
>> We have a session with Nick. Uh he's
graciously agreed. So you can reach over Raji.
Raji. >> Sure.
>> Sure.
>> And she can help you set it up.
>> Right. Absolutely. This was wonderful
again, Nick. I mean, every great session,
session,
>> good questions. Yeah, it was awesome.
Yeah, I'm gonna, you know, and thank you
for Shurog and his team organizing this
guy. It's a surprising amount of work
behind the scenes to do this and it goes
really well every year and um you know
and so this was another good one. So
yeah, thank and thank everyone. What
makes a cool a cool webinar? People ask
questions. That's it.
>> Great. Thank you guys. Thank you
everyone and thanks Nick. Have a good weekend.
weekend.
>> All right. Thank you very much guys.
Really appreciate it. See you soon.
Thanks buddy.
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