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if you've got your bibles please turn

with me not to the text of my message

but to the backdrop of a message i want

to bring to you

john chapter 2

and i'm going to read the miracle of

cana in galilee

and that was jesus's miracle of the

conversion of water into wine i'm going

to use that as a backdrop read for you a

few words and then enter into the message

message

and the third day there was a marriage

in cana of galilee and the mother of

jesus was there and both jesus was

called and his disciples to the marriage

and when they wanted wine the mother of

jesus saith unto him they have no wine

jesus saith unto her woman what have i

to do with thee mine our is not yet come

that wooden translation reads to

pungently what jesus is really saying to

her is woman i don't think you really

understand the timetable under which i

am operating and it is interesting that

he went ahead and performed the miracle anyway

anyway

almost as if to say that i am operating

on a timetable that god wants me to

operate when his brother said to him are

you going to come to the passover he

said not yet and a few moments later he

went jesus was moving in a certain time

span and when the fullness of time was

come he was born into this world so he

was listening to a different drummer

verse 5 his mother saith unto the

servants whatsoever he saith unto you do it

and they were set there six water pots

of stone after the manner of the

purifying of the jews containing two or

three fur skins apiece

jesus saith unto them fill the water

pots with water and they fill them up to

the brim and he saith unto them draw out

now and bear unto the governor of the

feast and they bear it when the ruler of

the feasts had tasted the water that was

made wine and knew not whence it was but

the servants which drew the water knew

the governor of the feast called the

bridegroom and he saith unto him every

man at the beginning that set forth good

wine and when men have well drunk then

that which is worse but thou has kept

the good wine until the last this

beginning of miracles did jesus in cana

of galilee and manifested forth his

glory and his disciples believed on him

it is fascinating to read this passage

of scripture two thousand years ago

and then to read a letter to the editor

after the jim jones saga in guyana you

remember what happened it is one of the

most hellish things ever perpetrated

upon man where this one individual with

a messianic complex proclaimed himself

to be the messiah of these several

hundred people

and i have two cassettes in my study as

a matter of fact in the light of the

freedom of information act in the united

states those tapes were available and it

is the live conversation on the last day

when jim jones finally orchestrated that

mass suicide may i say this to you

keenly aware of the words i am using i

have never on tape ever heard anything

more hellish than those two tapes it is

one of the worst things i've ever heard

when the man in all kinds of trances

moves into profanity in a voice that

almost sounds unearthly and much more

hellish than anything else and he

screamed out at those people

whom he by now had filled with fright

one man was literally begging him to let

him go and jones refused to at the

threat of a gun these are the last two

or three paragraphs let me read excerpts

for you

jim jones are screaming in hysteria at

this point and he says let's get going

we tried to find a new beginning but

it's too late lay down your lives with

dignity don't lay them down with tears

and agony and the crying in hysteria is

uh building to a crescendo in the

background stop this hysteria it's just

something to put you to rest

keep your emotions down children it'll

not hurt if you keep quiet i don't care

how many screams you hear death is a

million times preferable than to spend

more days in this life i call on you to

quit exciting your children mothers stop

this nonsense hurry my children hurry

quickly quickly no more pain no more

pain all you do is take a drink and go

to sleep have trust in me you have to

step across this world is not my home

and in the words of one commentator and

so ended the symphony that he conducted

orchestrating the death of nearly a

thousand men women and children

probably the most irrational letter to

the editor in the time magazine after

the guyana incident read this way i do

not know why the christians are so upset

with what jim jones did

did jesus do anything different to jones

jones claimed to be the messiah listen

to the following jesus claim to them me

the messiah listed the following i don't

see any difference between the two and

the last ones who ought to be

complaining ought to be the christian

folk you know in philosophy you take a

course that is called a formal and a

fundamental fallacy in logic and there

are many many formal fallacies one of

them is this just because two things

have one thing in common does not

necessarily mean they have everything in common

common

my brother has ears elephants have ears

therefore my brother is an elephant you

see that's the logic jesus claimed to be

the messiah jones claimed to be the

messiah therefore they both are the same

gandhi was a political leader hitler was

a political leader therefore they are

the same charles manson seeks a

following mother teresa seeks a

following therefore they both are the

same it is only the individual who has

not looked at the bible

with an honest heart who is the one who

has rejected the messiah when i go in to

listen to students on university

campuses ask their questions most often

they can't even ask meaningful biblical

questions because many of them have

never read it

they have read about it they have an

opinion on it they have never really

read it

and i want to present to you the message

entitled jesus as they saw him

i want to look at the life of jesus in

three different categories

it was the physicist helmholtz who said

if you want to understand the nature of

the eye you must understand the

properties of light

if you want to understand the nature of

the eye you must understand the

properties of light and the other day i

was sitting thinking about this whole

business of how people view things

differently and i came to the conclusion

our biggest problem is that we look at

life with our eyes rather than through

our eyes

we look at life with our eyes rather

than through our eyes the eye is the

instrument to see

not the instrument to define value

the definition of value comes elsewhere

you look into the mirror but you go to

the faucet to wash your face and what we

very often do is look with our eyes and

defined with our eyes and hence the term

materialists we define ourselves as

material beings from beginning to end i

want to look at jesus from three vantage

points and if you don't know him

personally please do yourself a favor

please do yourself a favor try and

reject my style try to blind yourself to

the approach i am taking only try and

weigh out whether what i'm saying to you

makes sense or not

so often we reject a message because we

want to reject the messenger if you can

somehow do it i want you only to hear

the message and i want you to see what

it is i'm trying to say to you

the first aspect of jesus's life i want

to see him in the essential nature of

his person the essential nature of his

person who was he in essence

jean-paul sartre the french

existentialist philosopher who has made

existentialism very very popular what

does existentialism really mean

existentialism if defined

philosophically sounds more confusing so

let me define it most rigorously so

nobody knocks me for it and then

popularize the definition where it

really says existence precedes essence

what it means is what i do

determines who i am

what i do determines who i am in other

words the word of god tells me

to behave a certain way because of who i

am existentialism reverses it and says

on the basis of what you do you can

define who you are so you see if i want

to define life a certain way i act a

certain way and it is really got the

definition the wrong way around

jesus's essence was the fact that he

claimed to be the son of god claimed to

be equal with god and i want you to see

him in two thoughts there in the

essential nature of his person

number one he was perfect in purity

if i were to ask would you please write

a definition of purity i think you'll

have a very difficult time the reason

for that is this it's the same way if i

said to you could you please define nothing

nothing

you cannot define nothing because

nothing by definition partakes of something

something

when you use the word nothing you're

really saying no thing

thing

and so nothing is defined as the absence

of something and that is exactly the

problem we have with the word purity too

if i say to you i am a pure individual

you will go away assuming there are some

things he doesn't do there are some

places he doesn't go there are some

thoughts he doesn't think there are some

habits he doesn't espouse you will

define my purity in terms of the absence

of something and legitimately so

let me have you focus your attention on

the scene

there's a man living on top of mount

tabor in the mind of this particular

writer using his imagination and the man

is calling himself elian he pretends to

be a hermit living at the top of mount

tabor and he says as hermits we are

accustomed to seeing visions and

dreaming dreams he says but when i woke

up this morning i was going to see

something that was not a vision that was

not a dream it was something that jolted

me into reality i was standing behind

the tree this morning when four

individuals jesus

peter james and john began to quietly

make their way up to the top of the

mount for those of you ladies and

gentlemen who've been to israel you will

agree with me that the top of mount

tabor is one of the most beautiful

settings in israel topographically it is

striking you stand on top of the

mountain and you look in one direction

you see the sprawling valleys of megiddo

you look in another direction on a clear

day you'll see the spires of nazareth

you look in a third direction you'll see

the calm and the lovely waters of the

sea of galilee you turn around and you

look at the fourth direction you see the

tender and the gentle curves of mount

hermon snow-capped for so much of the

year and as you look around all of this

and a quiet cathedral stands atop mount

tabor today i was picturing with this

man imagining himself to be elian what

really happened

jesus peter james and john gently making

their way to the top of the mountain and

elian is watching them he says jesus was

talking to them instructing them in many

ways then jesus left the three disciples

moved to the top of the mount all by

himself and he says all of a sudden the

body of jesus began to glow with an

incandescent radiance a whiter white the

human mind could not conceive and as the

body began to glow whiter and whiter and

wider suddenly the heavens were rented

too and i saw two figures descending

into the presence of jesus and i had

barely enough strength and breadth in my

body to cry out the names of moses and

elijah but no more had these two men

descended when i fell prostrate onto the

dust of tabor all i had seen was moses

and elijah descending jesus's body

beginning to glow and as i fell face

down into the dust of the earth suddenly

i heard the voice of almighty god

reverberating through the valleys below

crying out this is my son listen to him

when i think of jesus ladies and gentlemen

gentlemen

i think of that transfiguration scene

and if i were peter

i would have done exactly what he did

with jesus and many times i feel that

way turning on a television program for

a few moments watching a fellow being

interviewed mentioning the name of god i

said who is this fellow and then he

starts talking about the reason most

people fear death is because the

christians have caused that fear he says

i don't believe in any of that i'm not a

humanist i'm a deist those are the kinds

of boys i'd love to take on in a debate

who only know

how to slam something never know how to

defend theirs who only know how to break

eggs they never know what to do with them

them

slam slam slam jesus again to blame

christianity again to blame blame

everybody you see but don't blame

ourselves and he said and the problem

with christianity is they have infused a

morality into this world that is more

condemnatory than exaltative and then he

goes on to say this he says and that is

terribly selfish who told him that

when you see this when you hear this

when you travel around and hear of the

broken homes see the young children with

no homes to go to think of the broken

dreams broken lives think of all of

these places where political ideologies

are destroying human life somehow you

pine within your soul the way peter

pined within his soul when he said to

jesus let's stay here

let's stay here

i don't want to go down from this

mountain again and the reason was peter

was privileged to see the

transfiguration of our lord and ladies

and gentlemen i want to tell you

something the purity of man is the

absence of something the purity of jesus

is the presence of something

you with me

the purity of man is the absence of

something the purity of jesus is the

presence of something and many a times

as i start writing one of my chapters in

the book on worship is the god whom we

worship and language becomes exhausted

concepts become beggarly and i find

myself just desperately trying to nudge

at the truth i like what one philosopher

says about the gods of the greeks and

the gods of the mediterraneans he says

this it is true of the greek religions

that it is not a fact

that the gods abandoned the people

because the people became so depraved

but the people abandoned their gods

because their gods became so depraved

when you read homer when you read

aeschylus when you read many of these

writers or you go on to read socrates

and plato and aristotle you begin to see

a kind of a plea from these thinkers

won't you get the concept of deity at

least unmingled with dirt and unmingled

with impurity how we play a game in

front of other people and i want to tell

you as soon as we behold jesus face to

face we'll find out what purity really is

when i look at my life i think of

augustine and by the way augustine was

one of the greatest minds that ever

lived and he ran and ran and ran and ran

from god till finally through his mother

he was marvelously converted

and augustine says this at one point

i placed myself behind myself all the

time you took me from behind myself put

me in front of myself

i saw myself and was horrified

and then he goes on to say this you know

i was sharing this with my daughter one

day and even she came to grips with this

idea it fascinates me how those little

minds can come to grip with such

profound thoughts i was talking about

augustine this way one of the great men

of god and i said you know what he said

once honey because she was asking me a

question about why there are some good

people who do such bad things

and i was saying i said i was talking to

her about augustine and i said listen to

me carefully now siri and see if you

understand what i'm saying i said what

augustine said was that there are two

kinds of loves within me there is a love

which loves the good there is a love

which loves the evil there is the love

which loves the good there is the love

which loves the evil and augustine says

and the best thing i can say about

myself is that there is a third kind of

a passion that looks at both of them

there's a third kind of a passion that

looks at both of them i have a love

which loves the love that loves the good

and i have a hate which hates the love

that loves the evil

if you follow me there's a passion

looking at both of them one loves the

good one loves the evil and the best

thing i can say about myself is that i

love the love which loves the good and i

hate the love which loves the evil and

that tiny little girl says daddy that's

exactly the way i feel sometimes i want

to do good things i want to do bad

things and there's something within me

and when you look at your soul when you

look at your will when you look at your

ambitions when you look at your goals

when you look at your dreams things are

almost never as they appear to be

things are almost never as they appear

to be and some of you may be close to

other people who haven't got the

faintest clue how impure your life is

there's something wonderful about the

fact that you can bring your impurity

and turn your face towards the living

god because when you look at god you're

looking not at the absence of impurities

you're looking at the very presence of purity

purity

there's a second quality about his

essence number one perfect in purity

number two he was a model in charity he

was a model in charity

i will often say this to young couples

who come to me to ask some questions on

future relationships etc i always say to

them there is never

any reason to be unkind

unkind

there's never any reason to be unkind

you can be strong you can be tough you

can be very very severe in the things

you're saying but you don't have to be

unkind in what you're saying

and i look at jesus i don't know how

many of you have ever read of what

lepers really go through

arthur me in his children's encyclopedia

describes the story of joseph damien one

of these missionaries who served amongst

the lepers

one day some boiling hot water fell on

his feet and it took him about 30

seconds to suddenly realize he had no

sensation on his foot and as he walked

up to the audience that day all lepers

sitting in front of him he normally

began with my fellow believers today he

began a sermon with my fellow lepers and

then broke down and wept and recognized

his body was now crawling with that

hideous disease that was destroying him

a few years ago i was speaking at a

leprosarium at the tip of the sahara

desert i don't think there's more of a

beleaguered looking people than them and

i remember as the missionary was taking

me through to speak in this auditorium

suddenly the missionary said i'll be

back in just a moment and turned around

and i was about to turn the knob of the

door leading me into the auditorium and

i backed off for a moment i didn't want

to touch the knob out of fear as to

whether that kind of a leprosy could

spread or whatever illegitimately

illegitimate was my reaction to my

embarrassment i remember because i was

wearing a jacket my elbow was covered i

turned the knob and moved in that way

and then as i stood in front of these

people with worn out extremities almost

monkey-like faces and no digitals

sitting there almost an embarrassment to

their own lives and to humanity and you

see the smiles on their faces as you

preach them and so on you can think back

of jesus's day in the rabbinic laws you

would never come closer than six feet to

a leper and on a windy day a rabbi would

never come within a hundred feet of a

leper you can see synagogues today in

israel where there are cubby hole-like

sections in the synagogues without with

doors that backed off into a different

area they were reserved for lepers to

come in late and leave early imagine

yourself one of them people would throw

money at you nobody would ever dream and

come and talk to you in any meaningful

significance to your value no wonder

they'd sit at the corners or streets and

cry out for somebody to toss their arms

their way

no rabbi would ever forgive himself if

he stumbled over a leper that leper

would have been a man who was castigated

and done away with for touching somebody

as pure as a rabbi jesus went out to the

leper and if you read the gospel of mark

the gospel of mark is the gospel of

touch jesus reached out looked into the

eyes of the leper talk to him and

probably for the first time in memory

the leper sees somebody reaching out and

touching him

michael green says

this was not a different kind of a man

this was a different kind of a god

i think of the whole issue of the woman

with the issue of blood

12 years she'd had it even longer maybe

the bible tells us that if she had seen

every physician if you read the talmud

the talmud tells you how many different

kinds of cures there were and in the

levitical laws a woman with that kind of

an ailment was untouchable every piece

of furniture she touched became unclean

think again why did she do this jesus is

walking through the center of town

thronging masses are reaching out to go

out and touch him

why in the name of reason does an

unclean woman have the courage i

strongly suspect because she believed

that jesus would never condemn her for

it she would have had to push aside

people who if they knew what her

difficulty was would have been ruthless

with her physically trying to maim the

girl for having touched them she pushes

her way through the crowd reaches out

and just touches the hem of his garment

he turns around and says who touched me

and out of no fear in her heart she

looks at him and says master i did and

he says daughter great is your faith go

back you are well again i believe with

all my heart

jesus's hands were amongst the most

powerful aspect of his ministry he

reached out and touched somebody

my dear friend jesus wants to reach out

and touch your life he wants you to be

picked up by him in his tenderness take

you by the hand rise you to your feet

again he wants to reach out and put the

arms of love around you to give you that

significance that even a tiny little

baby needs that is unable to converse

linguistically somehow when those arms

are put around that child and gradually

the fidgeting stops and the body begins

to relax and within moments that child

is asleep come unto me says jesus all ye

that labor and are heavy laden and i

says he will give you rest jesus was a

preacher the rabbi sat down and taught

jesus stood up and preached jesus in

mark 1 38 says let us go to the next

towns that i may preach there also he

was a proclaimer he was a student he

knew rabbinics he knew the languages and

he would use it very very powerfully he

had the style and the stance of a

prophet he used his stung like a weapon

to carve out people before their eyes so

they can see themselves and i like the

way jesus uses words

ladies and gentlemen there is a massive

difference between the use of fine words

and the fine use of words there's a

massive difference between the use of

fine words and the fine use of words and

by the way i believe words are more

a good word is better than a thousand

pictures i'll demonstrate that for you

it won't take me more than a minute listen

listen

w e sangster the british preacher he

says he was at a garden party and then

he says this

i just picked up myself a glass of punch

when all of a sudden out of nowhere this

dainty but bulbous woman ballooned

towards me

can you draw that

if you do do you know what you'll do i

don't know what you do this dainty but

bubba's one ballooning towards you you

will force your view of reality in one

way by that picture upon me but when

sangster says this dainty but bulbous

woman ballooned towards me my

imagination goes to work and i do with

it what i choose the picture forces me

to think in one way listen to pg

woodhouse that uh writer describing his

sidekick james bringing in a reluctant

visitor he says he brought in this

reluctant and scrambling visitor and

shoveled him into my apartment shoveled

him in

you can't draw that

and if you think you could draw both of

those i dare you to draw this

the credit is given to alexander pope

talking about the conversion of water

into wine i want to tell you this is a

masterpiece listen

he says the conscious water

saw its master

that beautiful the conscious water

saw its master and blushed

words passion reality

words are reflective of reality and when

the right words are used reality is

clutched at and it changes the entire

dimensions of your life jesus in his

preaching used powerful words he

described the pharisee he said you

strain at a gnat and you swallow a camel

he said you garnish the sepulchers of

the prophets after you have stoned them

he said you scour the whole earth to

look for one convert and then make him

twice fold damnable for hell his words

were powerful but do you know what he

did in his preaching he did two things

jesus as a preacher in his preaching

forced people to see themselves as god

sees them he forced people to see

themselves as god sees them have you

seen yourself as god sees you you look

out into the world today and think of

all of the freedom we are pining after

all of the things we are craving after

we think of technology technology has

freed us i can turn a dial and enter

into experiences foreign to myself

industries freed us i can pick up my

bags move from one city to another find

another job education has freed my mind

and in some cases my conscience medicine

has freed me from disease and another

instance freaked other people from life

my chemistry has changed us and in some

ways it has even affected our emotions

psychiatry has set us free you go on and

on and on and yet one writer describes

us as homo porter batus restless man

intoxicated with a sense of freedom he

has never had before restless man

intoxicated with a sense of freedom he

has never had before jesus shows you as

you really are

and what jesus says is this when a man

lives for himself no matter how powerful

the nations are when a man lives to

indulge and exploit and abuse his

freedom when a man thinks he has nothing

good to do except live for himself jesus

exposes that man as a liar as a cruel

self-centered individual and he

describes you and me as those who are

lost in the shackles of sin unless he

himself comes to rescue us

jesus in his preaching reveals to you

who you really are but much more than

that jesus reveals to you who you ought

to be

jesus reveals to you who you are to be

this is such a difficult concept in the

heart of what i want to say to you that

if you do not follow what i'm saying i

think you will miss what i think is the

most important aspect of this message

in my office there is a parchment and

where i sit behind my desk now i can see

that it is beautifully penned in the

last year nothing no one quote and i

read an awful lot of them memorize an

awful lot of them i'm talking about

those outside of the word now

no quote has wrestled in my mind more

than this particular one so many times

i've said to my wife i said you know

honey one of these days that quote is

going to burst forth into some truths

that i have never dreamed of before i

feel i'm touching the tip of an iceberg

if only i can get to the core of what it

is i'm trying to say please listen to me

jesus christ continually contradicts us

in the way we experience ourselves as alive

alive

and he compels us to radically redefine

what we mean by life he encounters us

the way he encounter the disciples on

easter sunday they were the ones marked

out for death those who had survived him

were really the dead either dead one was

really the living let me explain that to you

you

i was preaching in a tiny little village

in a country and in a village better

unnamed so you don't misunderstand me

they were all illiterate people sitting

in front of me with smelly dirty

unwashed clothes

there was one woman in there without one

tooth inside her mouth her face looked

so marred and scarred and she was an

elderly woman i don't think there was a

fraction of a portion of skin on her

face that was unwrinkled she'd squat

there in front listening to the message

every day the simplest truths of the

gospel going through an interpreter

and one evening she came and said to the interpreter

interpreter

i want to take this jesus into my life

then i'd see her smiling from ear to ear

night after night through the meetings

on the last day she came to the

missionary to the interpreter and myself

she was carrying a dirty bundle of

clothes on her head and i want to tell you

you

all her worldly belongings were in that

tiny little dirty smelly bundle if you

got within two or three feet of her you

could get the aroma of an unwashed body

in unwashed clothing

earrings heavy bringing the earlobes

down almost to her ears

and she came over clutched the hand of

the fellow who'd been doing the

interpreting for me and says

would you please ask these two men

if somebody can take a picture of me

with both of them i would greatly

appreciate it

the greatest day in her life was when

she found jesus and she said the second

greatest thing is i want to picture with

these two gentlemen

i have that picture at home now brethren

that dear woman standing next to me if

it had been permitted culturally i would

have done it i wanted desperately to

reach out and put my arm around her to

see that fragile bag of bones standing

there going back to a shack that

probably would be washed out by the

first rainfall that monsoon time and as

she stood in the middle there and that

picture was taken and i brought it home

and that smile all across her face i

want to tell you this if i took that

picture to an average humanist an

atheist a secularist pragmatist whatever

he would look at the face of that woman

look at the personality of the woman and

say that woman is basically dead

and then

i show him the picture of bertrand

russell with all of his degrees all of

his brilliance all of his mathematizing

and philosophizing using his brilliance

to knock out the foundations of belief

in god from every other person he talked

to and yet a man who lived a promiscuous

lifestyle so that even when he received

his knighthood the king said the quality

of his life betrayed him an awful lot

and yet when i read his books and read

his degrees and read his professorial

status and one of the most brilliant men

that's ever lived in the eyes of the

secular humanist today bertrand russell

is alive that woman is dead and i want

to tell you if you understand what i'm

driving at right now in the eyes of

jesus that woman is alive and russell is

dead jesus christ continually

contradicts you in the way you

experience yourself as alive and he

compels you to radically redefine what

you mean by life he encountered you the

way he encounters the disciples on

easter sunday they were the ones mocked

out for death those who had survived him

were really the dead he the dead one was

really the living that's why the pascals

that's why the augustines that's why the

edwards that's why all of the great

thinkers men like luther calvin zwingli

polycop ignatius origin you go back

through history some of the greatest

minds that ever lived bent their knee to

him one of the most brilliant eloquent

men was a fellow called malcolm

muggeridge he who ruthlessly used his

pen to attack christendom make a mockery

in the shambles of christianity suddenly

discovered jesus encountered jesus

receive jesus and then in one of his

books he pens these words we look back

upon history and what do we see empires

rising and falling wealth accumulated

wealth disbursed revolutions and

counter-revolutions first one nation

dominant and then another shakespeare

says he has spoken of the rise and fall

of the great ones that ebb and flow with

the moon he says i look back upon my own

fellow countrymen in england once upon a

time dominating a quarter of the world

most of them convinced in the words of

what is still a popular song that the

god who made the mighty shall you make

them mightier yet i have heard a crazed

cracked austrian proclaim to the world

the establishment of a german rice that

would last a thousand years an italian

clown announced that he was going to

stop and restart the calendar to

coincide with his own assumption to

power a murderous georgian brigand in

the kremlin acclaimed by the

intellectual elite of the world as a

wiser than solomon more enlightened than

ashoka more powerful there than marcus

aurelius himself i have seen america

wealthier and in terms of military

weaponry more powerful than the rest of

the world put together so that had the

americans so desired they could have

outdone a caesar and an alexander in the

range and scale of their conquest all in

one lifetime all in one lifetime all

gone with the wind hitler

hitler

and mussolini dead

remembered only in infamy

england part of a tiny island off the

coast of europe threatened with

dismemberment and even bankruptcy

stalin a forbidden name in the regime he

helped found and dominate for some three

decades now a forbidden name out there america

america

haunted by fears of running out of the

precious fluid that keep her motorways

roaring and the smog settling hitler

mussolini stalin

power of america england in all of our

glory where are they today you tell me

you tell me where are they

where are the hitlers who are going to

establish a rice for a millennium where

is mussolini who is going to restart the

calendar where are all these great

murderous brigands who tried to dominate

the world through power or ideology or

whatever all of these gone and muggerage

says out of the discarded props of all

of these civilizations there stands the

towering figure of jesus with his

counter perspective that it is not in

living but it's dying it's not in

receiving but it's in giving it's not in

being pardoned but it's in pardoning and

somehow he reverses all of our values

and i am saying to you this jesus for

2000 years has been the butt of ridicule

of thousands of writers they have not

been able to dislodge him the bible is

still the best-selling book in all the world

world

that jesus

can change your

life thirdly and very quickly

number one the essential nature of this person

person

number two

the definitive nature of his ministry

number three

the efficacious nature of this provision

how does he do this

number one

he ministers to me

in my suffering

he ministers to me in my suffering

ladies and gentlemen you don't have to

live long to know sooner or later you're

going to contact suffering

i want you to look at the cross for a moment

moment

and tell me this if you read the double

day publication of the shroud of turin

where many many scholars i'm not saying

i agree with their conclusion many

scholars believe the shroud of turin is

a crowd of jesus i'm not saying it is

what we do know about that shroud is

that it was wrapped around a person who

was crucified nails and hands nails and

feet a mark on the side and marks on the

head and when they tell you what

crucifixion really was it tells you that

a roman fellow called the lichtor who

was trained in the art of persecution

muscles bound there with a huge whip

would come with an approximate distance

of the person to be scourged and jesus

was scourged they take the body the

clothes of the body of the individual to

be scared his body was bent tied into a

stump of wood jutting out of the ground

wrists and ankles tied to that stump and

then the roman lector would pour that

whip onto his body and peel out flesh

and blood with every whipping matthew

says by the time they'd finished

scourging him and took him to the cross

he hardly had enough strength left and

he says this they all sat there and

watched him

and jesus says in his word that for this

very cause he came into the world so

that he could die for your sins and mine

are you going to make a mockery of that

and say i don't believe it or by faith

and the reason of the resurrection are

you going to respond and say all right

preacher that jesus has spoken to me

his ministry to you through suffering

and i want to tell you some of the

struggles i've been through

some of the physical disabilities i've

picked up owing to the heavy onslaught

of travel and the pressure within your

body and some of the loneliest moments

i've been through i can still say if you

gave me all the options in the world to

be anything else

i wouldn't want it because i know

that deep within me lives this christ

and i am completely at peace with

gratitude with him within me which is my

final thought his ministry to you

through suffering his ministry in you

through indwelling

his ministry in you through indwelling

you can ask me ravi are you pure and i

say no sir

but somebody in me is

ravi are you compassionate

in many ways no

somebody in me is

can you preach with power no but there's

somebody in me who can in other words

this jesus comes within you and doesn't

only change what you do he changes what

in closing i would like to read this for you

you

it's a sermon written by a fellow who

entitled what pilate said to gaius one

night it's marvelous i'm just going to

take excerpts of this

so please listen as i read this to you

what pilate said to gaius one night some

years after the crucifixion a writer

using his imagination

it suddenly closed in on me gaius the

impact of how trapped i was

the proud arm of rome with all its boast

of justice was to be but a dirty dagger

in the pudgy hands of the priests

i was waiting in the room gaius i used

for court officially enthroned with

cloak and guard when they let this jesus in

well gaius don't smile at this as you

value your jaw but i've had no peace

since the day he walked into my judgment

hall it's been years gaius but those

scenes i'll read from the back of my

eyelids every night you've seen caesar

haven't you when he was young inspecting

the legion his arrogant manner was

childlike compared to the manner of the

nazarene he didn't have to strut you see

he walked towards my throne arms bound

with a strident mastery this jesus did

and a kind of a control that bites very

audacity silence through him for an

instant and left me trembling with an

insane desire to stand up and salute the

clerk began reading the absurd list of

charges the priestly delegations

punctuating these with the palm rubbings

the beard strokings the eye rollings and

the pious gutturals by now which i had

learned to ignore but i more felted

gaius than heard it i questioned him

mechanically and he answered very little

but what he said and the way he said it

it was as if his level gaze had pulled

up my naked soul right up into my eyes

and was probing it there and the voice

kept saying in my ears why you're on

trial pilot and that the man wasn't even

listening to the charges you'd have

sworn he had just come in out of

friendly interest to see what was going

to happen to me and the very pressure of

his standing there had grown unbearable

when a slave rushed in all a tremble

interrupting court bringing a message

from claudia she had stabbed at the

stylist in that childish way that she

does when she's distraught don't judge

this amazing man pilot she wrote i was

haunted in dreams by him this night

gaius i tried to free him from that

moment on i tried and i'll always think

he knew it i declared him out of my

jurisdiction being a galilean but the

native king herod discovered he was born

in judea and sent him right back to me i

appealed to the crowd hoping that they

would be his sympathizers but caiaphas

had stationed agitators to whip up the

beast that cry for blood and you know

how in this town here any citizens loves

the blood of another person just after

breakfast and screams for another's

blood i had him beaten gaius a thorough

barracks room beating i'm still not sure

why to appease the crowd i guess but do

we romans really need any reason for

beatings isn't that the code for

anything we don't understand well it

didn't work guys the crowd roared like

some slathering beast when i brought him

back if only you could have watched him

they had thrown some rags of mock purple

over his pulp and bleeding shoulders

they jammed a chaplain of thorns down on

his forehead and it fitted it all fitted

guys he stood there watching them from

my balcony flame from weakness by now

but royal i tell you not just pain but

pity shining from his eyes and i kept

thinking somehow this is monstrous this

is upside down that purple is real that

crown is real and somehow these animal

noises the crowd is shrieking should be

praised and then kaifas played his

master stroke on me he announced there

in public that this jesus claimed a

crown and that was treason to caesar and

the guards began to glance at one

another quickly and that mob of

spineless filth began to shout hail

caesar hail caesar and gaius i knew i

was beaten and i gave the order

i couldn't look at him

then i did a childish thing i call for

water and there on the balcony i washed

my hands of that whole affair but as

they led him away gaius i did look up

and he turned and looked at me no smile

nobody just glanced at my hands and i'll

feel the weight of his eyes on them from

now on but you're yawning guys i've kept

you up and the fact of the matter is

you're in need of some rest on some

holidays claudia will be asleep by now

rows of lighted lamps line her couch she

can't sleep in the dark anymore no not

since that afternoon you see gaius the

sun went out when my guards executed and

that's exactly what i said i don't know

how i don't know what i only know that i

was there and though it was the middle

of the day it turned as black as the

tunnels of hell in that miserable city

and while i tried to compose claudia and

explain how i'd been trapped she railed

at me with a dream and she's had that

dream ever since when she sleeps in the

dark some form of it that there was

still been a new caesar and that i her

husband had killed him

oh we've been to egypt to their seers

and magicians we've listened by the hour

to the oracles and the musty temples of

greece chattering their inentities we've

called it an oriental curse that we're

under and we've tried to break it a

thousand ways guys but there's no

breaking it except and even that

it might not just see but you know why

i've kept going gaius deeper than the

curse is the haunting driving certainty

that he is still somewhere near and that

i have some unfinished business with him

and that now and then as i walk by the

lake he's following me and much as that

strikes terror guys i wonder if that

isn't the only hope you see if i could

walk up to him and this time salute and

tell him that now i know that whoever

else he is he was the only man worthy of

his name in all judea that day tell him

i know i wasn't trapped that i trapped

myself tell him here is one roman who

wishes he really were caesar i believe

that would do it guys wouldn't it i

believe he'd listen and know i meant it

and at last i'd see him smile

yes quiet tonight

not a breeze stirring guys

good night you'd better run along no no

would you please waken the slave outside

the door and tell him to bring me my

cloak my heavy one please

i believe i'll walk by the lake yes it's

dark there guys but i won't be alone

i really haven't ever been alone

not since that day

the conscious water saw its master and blushed

blushed

you can hear all the summons you want to hear

hear

you can read all the books you want to read

read

you will never find out what we are

talking about

until you experience jesus

if you don't know him sir if you don't

know him madam

would you take the courage and say

i'm willing to put my hand in his hand

i want him to live within me would you

do that

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