but, yeah, it’s just, try it, adjust, refine.
The other thing is, uh, observation, you know,
if you’re learning, observation is probably the
skill that can save you the most time, or, yeah,
most time, and one example was those, when we used
to paint the trees, ‘cause we get, we get snow,
and when the snow hits, and reflects off the,
when the sun shines, and reflects off the snow,
basically burns, it’s, like, a sunburn, it’s a
sunscald, so it scalds the bark, and the bark
dries up, and actually splits off the tree, how
did you ever think about painting them white, just
‘cause that’s what people used to do years back,
they would paint them with a lime wash, so it was
a dual purpose, so it reduced the sunscald, and
it reduced the amount of insects, ‘cause insects
didn’t want to walk through the lime in the
spring, and you could still do that, and it would
still be okay, but, for us, it wasn’t so much the
insects as the sunscald, and that was just, while
painting, you know, while you’re doing something,
you ever do something, like, you know, the grunt
work, you’ve got a long time, you’ve got time to
think, and it was about four days a year to paint
all the trees, so that was, like, four days, and,
again, maintenance, four days a year, it adds up,
it’s almost a vacation, almost a vacation,
yeah, there’s more vacation time that would go,
that’s why I’ve got so much more time nowadays,
it’s, well, at least one of us does, yeah, and so,
it was through painting, and observing, that there
was one tree that I never would paint, because it
was all caught up in a couple of shrubs, and it
was, like, yeah, I can’t get in there anyway,
so I’ll just leave it, and if it sunscalds,
well, and, after a few years of painting,
and realizing, okay, here’s a tree that I forgot
to paint, or whatever, but it would get sunscald,
and the tree right next to it, that was protected,
and surrounded by the shrubs, I thought, how come
that one never gets sunscald, so the observation
is, how come that one doesn’t, and the one next to
it did, what’s the difference, well, this one’s in
the shrub, and the shrub provides a little bit of
shading on the bark, and thinking, hmm, that was
just, it was a red-osier dogwood growing around
it, and it was, like, it’s not a crop shrub, but
it was just a shrub, and I thought, what if we
planted shrubs that we would want, which is part
of the permaculture orchard design, put shrubs,
and put them southwest of the tree, which is
the absolute orientation for the worst sunscald,
so we call it southwest disease here, because
that’s where it happens, on the southwest side
of the tree, as the sun’s setting, and it really
warms up the bark, and it was, like, I could put
black currant, or I could put a red currant, or I
could put a gooseberry, at the base of the tree,
shading it in the afternoon sun, and then, after
a year or two, when the shrub has grown up enough,
I wouldn’t have to paint, and, sure enough, long
story short, there it is, I didn’t even know that,
we’ve done that, and that’s one of the reasons,
using shrubs, but it was, it’s, like, a dual
purpose, we get a crop, but that shrub, because
of where it’s placed, it’s actually saving a whole
bunch of time, and that’s four days every year,
so it’s, like, okay, we plant the shrub once,
it actually gets better with time, because it
gets bigger, and then we prune it, but we actually
prune shrubs after the snow melts, so that
it’s the fullest at the critical time, and then
snow melts, and then we can prune the shrub, so
it’s, like, okay, we get both, we get the shrub,
we get the production, we get the protection, so
that’s where observation can really save you time,
working smarter, not harder, yeah, I like it.
And it’s part of that whole learning, I mean,
learn, if you really want to speed up your
learning, and really save at every step,
because we’ve got it, if you’re just thinking
about this, it’s a dream in the future, to,
I’m in it, I’ve got all these trees planted, we’ve
got you covered in the Master Class, and there’s
11 courses that cover it, go, just go check it
out, you could start any of the courses for free,
just start them, see if this is something, see
if I could help you in this, ‘cause my goal is,
what I would have loved to have had, if you’re
thinking of this, even if it’s something that,
yeah, maybe in five years, boy, if you’re ready,
when you need to be going, I mean, it’s not going
to be a 20 years of brutal, no, and that’s why
I say now, uh, I really recommend that people
have annual crops, so annual could be vegetable
crops, which is annual, you plant in the spring,
I mean, there’s a few that are biennial, like
kale, you could get over winter, and harvest
the second year, and so on, but most of them are
annual, you plant in the spring or summer, and you
harvest summer or fall, or you put in animals,
or, and/or, so, having chickens with eggs,
having broilers, raising some ducks, whatever,
there would be a market for you, that’s an annual,
you could have it where you don’t have
to keep any animals over the winter,
you get them in the spring, raise them, we used
to do a lot with lambs, you could do that as well,
and I wouldn’t put lambs in a young orchard,
but you could, depending on what land is like,
you could start with annual things, and the nice
thing is, the brutal years are made up by a lot of
time and money put in to get your orchard, to get
your trees going, while they are not producing,
so you’ve got this drought, where you’re putting
money in, mhm, and nothing’s really coming out,
or never enough is coming out, but if you bridge
that gap with annual things, and then put in
some perennial things, plant some raspberries,
plant some strawberries, around your trees, and,
in two years, those are already producing, your
first trees may be producing in the third year,
not, it’s not going to be a full crop, but it
will be something, and then, as it goes on, when
you hit 5 years, you should have your first full
crop on some of your trees, at least, and so, that
will help bridge the gap, and get you started, and
you start your marketing, and you start selling,
I’m expecting, and I really recommend, unless
you’re really not in a good location, and we touch
that all in marketing, if you could direct-sell
your produce, starting with annual things is a
great way, because, like, especially nowadays, I
feel like there’s so many higher-end restaurants,
or markets, that are looking for that kind of
produce, in particular, and now there’s just so
many more people than when you started, that
are willing to pay for that quality of food,
because that’s another thing, I remember the dark
days, we used to go, and you’d have people that,
maybe it just wasn’t as accepted, but,
like, because you’re growing organic,
the fruit wasn’t perfect, so, not only when you’re
producing, but then you had to deal with those
kinds of people too, and I remember, that must
have been an extra headache, that was, and, again,
it was a headache, but that’s what shaped the
whole thing to going back to membership, yeah, so,
this way, I know who the customers are, and they
know what to expect, and we’re in communication,
it’s not just, show up and pick, no, I don’t want
just, I did that, and that’s where, you know, I
remember those, yeah, people would come, oh, this
isn’t perfect, like in the store, no, it’s not,
you know, it doesn’t mean organic can’t be higher
quality, but we were still learning, and it was,
sometimes, I remember buying apples, ‘cause we
didn’t, we didn’t have, we had, well, at that
point, we probably had 3,000 trees, but we didn’t
have enough eating-quality apples, we had all our
apples would go for juice, ‘cause it didn’t really
matter, the quality, but the quality for eating
was just not there, and we would buy apples, I
was, like, we’ve got all these trees, and we’re
buying apples, that’s pretty sad, but that’s the
learning curve, if you don’t know, you don’t know.
Another really important thing too is, you’re
talking about, like, the learning curve, um,
just learning how to, I guess, work with that
amount of, or that budget, or lack thereof,
now that it is successful, it’s kind of a blessing
in disguise, because he doesn’t really spend more,
necessarily, than you did back then, so now you’re
making an influx, but you’re still spending,
pretty, I would say, pretty much the same as
you were, okay, with a couple of exceptions,
but I mean, in general, you’ve, because you did
so many years with such a low budget, I mean,
you guys, if you’re watching the videos, you’ll
see the way that he’s dressed now, because we buy
him his clothes, otherwise, like, there’s no,
I go out and I buy this, I go and I buy that,
you’re very, I don’t want to say frugal, I just
want to say, like, you don’t flaunt, or you’re so
good with the amount of money that you need to
spend on your essentials, as you call it, that
there’s no need to go and buy over that, well,
one of the things that those brutal years helped
shape was being comfortable with less, I mean, we
just learned to get comfortable, you could want,
but you can’t afford, so it’s, like, okay, what
do I need, and that was an important period, to,
I can remember meditating on, you know, that,
understanding that distinction between, do I
need that, or do I want that, and then learning,
gradually, okay, what does it mean to need it,
like, what do we really need, when we come down
to, let’s say, bare bones, what, what do you need,
food, shelter, food, shelter, and something to
dress, that’s what you need, oh, no, I need a
new pickup, I need a, no, you want, and there’s
a lot of things we just want, and we think, no,
I need that, well, no, you don’t need a new one,
and I mean, for years, we had every used vehicle,
yep, and I bought two, over all those years,
just because it was the absolute cheapest,
when you get into financial, not us, but
the whole economy goes into a nosedive,
dealers would be begging people to buy, and
there would be all kinds of manufacturer rebates,
I remember buying one brand-new vehicle, the
buggy, which was a Geo Metro, a yellow Geo Metro,
yellow Geo Metro, $7,000 cash, because I wouldn’t
buy it on financing, and that saved, because then
I didn’t pay the borrowing cost, but, which
was weird, because now it’s completely changed,
like, my brother and I, because we just learned
from him, will go into a dealership, and want to
pay cash, and now it’s changed, they don’t want
me to pay cash, yeah, they want me to finance,
so that they make X amount on the financing and
everything, so, in that regard, it’s changed,
but growing up like that, you mold, ‘cause it
wasn’t like you were telling us to do something,
and then going and doing the complete opposite,
you would explain it to us, but then we grew up
seeing it, yeah, like, you weren’t saying,
son, I don’t have money to buy your shoes,
and then go out and buy a new TV, you know what
I mean, like, you really, you talk the talk,
and you walk the walk, yeah, and when I did buy
something, it was ‘cause, actually, like you say,
a lot of times, it was bought for me, ‘cause
it’s, like, you need, you need, his shoes are
falling apart, or his, yes, so it was, I would, I
would forsake what I thought, I would forsake me,
to be able to put it into the farm, that
was, that’s why I called it the black hole,
because money was going in, everything was
going to, and we would make money every year,
but it was never enough to cover all the expenses,
‘cause you’re learning, and learning is expensive.
And that’s why I think, like, even the Master
Class, some people would say it’s expensive,
it’s only expensive if you don’t know how much
learning will cost you, yeah, and, in that sense,
and when we were talking with Billy Bond last
time, on his podcast, he said, this is the
best deal, yeah, because you don’t realize, when
you’ve done it, you realize, wow, this would cost
me a lot, and we spoke about it too, like, the
pricing for the courses, because you sell them
individually, um, we decided to come up with a
figure that it’s not an exorbitant amount, because
we could charge a lot more, but we needed you to
get everybody to have, like, skin in the game,
yeah, because, if we’re just going to hand you the
keys to the kingdom, you’re going to watch it, but
you’re, I don’t think you’re going to act, because
I’ve done that too, where I’ll pay, I don’t know,
$20 for a book or something, I don’t even read
it, I don’t even read it, or I’ll start it,
and I’m just, like, okay, but if I have more skin
in the game, I’m going to go, and I’m going to
read it twice, because, but we, you know, one of
the things was that expression, are you going to
pay attention, and it’s interesting how you pay
attention, and why is the word ‘paying,’ because
you’ve paid, now you’re going to pay attention,
and I’ve seen it, because I’ve done, I’ve taught
this stuff on three continents, and I’ve done
courses for all different levels, and I’ve seen
that the places where, and I would say the most
extreme is, a lot of times, in Europe, where there
are so many subsidies for farmers, where they
didn’t appreciate, like, they don’t appreciate,
‘cause the course was free for them, they had no
skin in the game, they did not pay, so they didn’t
pay attention, and, as you said, they probably,
very few of them actually implemented what they
had learned, so what I’ve realized is, you know
what, make it that it’s a little bit of, for some
of you, it’s a lot, it’s too much, maybe, of a
sacrifice, but, on average, I think there would
be enough of a sacrifice to get it, so that, now,
you’re invested, yeah, now you’re going to make
sure you get value out of that course, mhm, you’re
going to go to the monthly meetings, when we meet
up with everybody, you’re going to, yep, yeah, I
agree, 100%, and that, to me, that’s it, ‘cause
I know that it’s a long journey, it’s not, I’m
going to do this, and it’s done in a month, no,
even if you planted it in a month, it’s not over,
are you going to maintain it, are you, so it’s a
long journey, and if you’re not going to do what
you need to do, then maybe don’t even start, yeah.
And I remember Shawn, I don’t know if you
remember Shawn, came with Alex, that year,
that’s two interns, and Shawn was there, and he
realized, you know what, he said, the best thing
about this internship is, I thought I wanted to do
this, and now I realized I don’t want to do this,
this is way more work than what I thought, he
had a desk job, he was good at what he did,
but he just thought, you know what, I’m going to
do this, and that’s good, if it helps you know
that, you know what, I tried, and I realized it’s
not for me, and that’s why I always come back to,
just start, and just start with two trios,
because what you’ll learn by putting in two trios,
and if you don’t know what trios are, dig into
our other YouTube videos, and it’s really just,
you’re going to put in three trees, and then
another set of three trees, and two fruit trees,
and a nitrogen fixer, or fruit tree, nut tree,
different combinations, but just put two trios in,
and you’ll learn as much with those two trees
as if you did hundreds, but it will cost you a
lot less, probably, you have room to do it in your
yard, if you have a yard, or if you’re, you could
do it at your parents’ yard, and if they really
don’t like it, hey, you could cut them down,
you don’t have a lot invested to do that test, but
you will start learning, and you’ll start seeing,
and you’ll start experiencing the cycles of
the tree, and how it grows, and everything,
so it’s, it really is that whole learning
journey, because it’s not just, I learned, no,
because a lot of it, unless you apply it, you just
know it, but you didn’t learn it, and there is a
difference in the depth of how much you know it.
And that’s why it goes back to, like I said in the
beginning, hopefully it’s something, like you’re
saying, less skin in the game, but it’s not like
you’re going to school, paying a ton of money,
and then you get your piece of paper, and you’re,
like, I don’t really like this, it’s not for
me, and it’s a lot less than even a semester
at any kind of school, so, um, being comfortable
with less, there’s a couple other things on that,
uh, we, for years, I remember doing taxes, and it
was, like, wow, we’re actually living below the
poverty level, and, for years, it was like that,
and it was, like, hmm, but what does that mean,
well, with the farm, we always had a garden,
so, in season, and we’d raise some animals,
some years more than others, so I remember
eating lamb, for, eating, I want to say,
over a year, it was two years, we had lamb, I
don’t like lamb anymore, yeah, we used to say,
hey, it’s lamb burgers, yeah, no, I’m good,
I’m going to Matthew’s house for something,
yeah, so I mean, that was part of it, so we had
our own food, it was great food, and you think,
well, how much do you need, and if you have a
yard, start a garden, if you have a sunny spot,
that would grow, if you have at least eight hours
a day of sun in the yard, put in some vegetables,
learn growing some vegetables, even, or, if you
want to do more, use that space to start your
nursery, ‘cause you’ll learn, you don’t, I don’t
know anything about it, well, watch some videos,
if you get to the point where you, you know, you
really would benefit from the propagation course,
that was, it’s for, it’s to get you set up in
your nursery, and being able to grow anything,
uh, that you would need in a permaculture orchard.
So one thing you tend to do is, when you get used
to living with less, you tend to keep those
habits, it’s a habit, I don’t need to, but I
still do, does that mean I’m cheap, no, but, one
thing they pointed out to me, when we went to a
restaurant, what was it, last year, two years ago,
it still blows my mind, yeah, shocked you both,
and it was, like, so, I ordered a lemonade, no,
no, no, no, that’s not what shocked, well, that
did shock me, but the thing that shocked me is,
he turned to me and my brother, and asked us if we
also wanted a lemonade, and I’ve never, I’ve never
seen him offer to buy anything other than water,
because it’s normally free here, yeah, and that’s
not being cheap, it’s, like, it’s, like, are you
going to have a pop, I’m not saying anything, that
you shouldn’t have a pop, but it was, if you want,
we’ll buy some cans, and we can have them at home,
but we were the family that would sneak in the
snacks to the movie theater, because they would,
oh, yeah, that’s true, they would, like, upcharge,
I don’t know how much, I agree with you now, but
when you’re a kid, you’re, like, what do you mean,
like, I can’t just have a popcorn, and you’d
be, like, no, I already popped some at home,
treat you to anything, I’m sure you did, but,
actually, maybe not, ‘cause I feel like, probably,
ice cream, that’s the one place I wouldn’t,
I wouldn’t skimp on, was getting ice cream,
but all that to say that I’m very fortunate
now, looking back at how I was brought up,
versus, yeah, if I got everything just
handed to me, so, in some weird way,
your dark times ended up being my bright times,
and I think I’m doing pretty good because of it.
Couple last things I wanted to touch on, one
was the mindset that you need to go through
the brutal years, uh, it really will develop a
mental toughness, because you’re going to know,
are you going to be able to persevere through
this, is this something, and you will hit moments,
if you want, go see my “I Want to Quit”
video on YouTube, and that was a moment,
and there’s moments, just thinking of that
time, it’s, like, whoa, yeah, that’s tough,
and I can even understand why, in farming,
there’s such a high rate of suicide, because
it can be those brutal years, and they’re years,
they’re not just moments, they can be brutal,
like, things don’t work, and they never happen
isolated, it’s not just one thing isn’t working,
what they say, things come in threes, they
come in bundles, and it’s almost like they’re
coming to attack you as a pack, and so, that,
you’ll have to know, are you, and farmers are
a unique breed of tough, like, there’s a reason
why they’re the ones who were the pioneers, and
homesteaders, and the newest, uh, movement of
homesteaders, I just see some titles of videos,
you know, we’re quitting this, or we’re stopping
this, it’s not for everyone, everybody thinks,
oh, yeah, we’re going to go, that looks fun,
yeah, we’re going to go live in the country,
it’ll be great, we’ll grow our own food, yeah,
it’s a reality check, a reality check, and I,
and we have a program here in Quebec, that
allows young couples to check out regions,
and this is outside of the metropolitan, really
out in the country, in rural areas, and they were
telling, because a few of my, uh, interns have
been through that, looking for land, and looking
for places, and new regions to set up, ‘cause
it’s so much cheaper than anything near a city,
and those people would always tell them, we know,
very clearly, that there’s a two-year cutoff,
if the new couple that have come into a region, if
they can make it past the two years, chances are,
they’re going to stay, because the first time,
they go, hey, let’s get a takeout, no takeout
around here, let’s order out, there is no ordering
out, let’s go to the, there is no restaurant,
I mean, there’s places Uber won’t even let you
download their app, yeah, there is no Amazon
deliveries, you know, you could be in a place
where, no, sorry, you’re outside cell reception,
you’re just, you’re away from it, and a
lot of times, people, yeah, homestead,
well, what do you think homesteaders, go back 150
years, you know what a life of a homesteader was,
I was reading the history of our region, uh,
at the farm, and, wow, homesteading was brutal,
it started off, the person would go in
the spring, ‘cause they had no place, no,
they would actually go in the late winter, where
they would just set up a tent, and they would
start cutting wood, ‘cause it was all forested
area, so they would cut wood in the winter,
they would cut enough logs that they could build
a little house, and they would cut enough wood,
often, in that area, it was to make potash, and
you think, well, potash, it’s mined, well, no,
it’s called potash, because they would cut trees,
they would pile them, they would burn them, and
then they would shovel the ash into barrels, and
they would sell barrels of potash as fertilizer,
so that was kind of their economy, that’s how
they made any kind of money, and, in the meantime,
then they’d have cleared enough land, that, in the
spring, they could sow a first little crop of some
grain, enough to, hopefully, make some bread, and
feed a few animals over winter, and they would,
all summer, they would be building their house, so
that, hopefully, by fall, or by the next winter,
they would have a shelter, that now they could
bring the wife and the rest of the family to live
in, yeah, I mean, this was not modern-day
homesteading, where you come in, and now, let’s
film our journey, and we’ll make our money from
YouTube, um, no, this was a very, very different,
and I mean, the number of people who died, if
you got injured, if you got pinned by a tree,
‘cause you’re cutting everything with an axe,
maybe a saw, and people would just get pinned,
you know, like, the tree falls wrong, and
comes back, and pins your leg against a rock,
or against the next tree, now you’ve got a 5-ton
tree pushing you against the other tree, and
people would just die, nobody, it’s not like, oh,
yeah, my neighbor’s going, there’s no neighbor,
you’re out there, and so, it’s a real reality
check, that, today, if you want a homestead, it’s
still so much easier, at least you have a road,
probably, to your property, maybe you don’t, but
most places do have some kind of road, there’s
so much that’s already easier, but I feel like
that’s why, like you were saying, with the YouTube
thing, that’s why there’s so much interest for it,
because you have people that, maybe that’s
something they want to do, but they know,
deep down, like, I don’t know if I’m, it
allows them to live vicariously through the
adventures of someone else, exactly.
I mean, I’ve always told you guys,
if we ever had, whatever, crisis, I mean,
we’re just, go to the farm, we’re fine,
I mean, we’re, when we had an ice storm, for
two weeks, where there was no power, no nothing,
and people were leaving their houses, because the
house was freezing, and the pipes were bursting,
and everything else, it was, like, we’re good,
but I feel like that too is kind of a generational
thing, like, I don’t know, you don’t know if you
would, I really don’t, camping wasn’t enough,
yeah, I’ve seen, and I feel like I’m better
suited than a lot of people my age, definitely,
a lot better, but still, yeah, a lot of people
have, I think I’m surviving, maybe, two weeks,
I just look, if your freezer, it’s, like, you’ve
got nothing stored, I mean, you’ve got nothing,
we’ve got, probably, enough for, yeah, for two
people, anyway, six months, at any one time, like,
absolutely nothing, we’re okay, bachelor fridge,
I’ve got some water, and some condiments, and that
came from your grandparents, on, you know, your
mother’s side, but also from my parents, they went
through the war, and I remember, growing up, the
biggest thing was the cold room, it was a 13-foot
freezer, or 12-foot freezer, and then there
was bins of potatoes, that would be, usually,
two to three tons of potatoes for the year, and
then, on the back wall, was about five shelves
of everything canned, pickles, and tomatoes, and
whatever, everything from the, excuse me, from the
garden, and, yeah, I remember, my job was picking
strawberries, and, you, oh, yeah, strawberries,
I mean, a burp like that, that would have been
every day, because I’ve eaten all the strawberries
I could eat, but now I still have to pick, and it
was picking mountains of strawberries, that’s it,
it’s just different generations, you want to talk
about the dark times, that was the dark times.
So now, yeah, for me, it was just, the goal
was, can I go a whole week without having to
get anything other than what I catch, or find, and
it was, like, yeah, I could go for a whole week,
just what I catch, and shoot, and dig, so,
yeah, I got used to, surviving is not a problem,
so the mindset is important, do you have any
bit of tools, do you have that resilience,
you will hit brutal times, you will hit hard
times, you only know when you’re in it, 100%,
but when you’re in it, yeah, it’s
make-or-break, and what I found was,
I didn’t imagine how brutal that could be, but
I’ve learned that, you know what, it’s almost
like you’re not submitted to the full impact at
any one time, you’re submitted to steps, it’s,
like, this is brutal, you do go through that, and
then the next one is, this is brutal, but you’re
already, your baseline, so you start off, you
think, this is, and then you go through something,
and that’s brutal there, and then you go through,
and, next thing you know, this one is brutal here,
and then, you know what, like, so now, I’m okay
with, tornado would go through, fire would go
through, vandals would cut the whole orchard,
whatever, it’s, like, that would suck, but,
you know what, it’s not the end of the world, you
realize, what wealth is, not what you have, it’s,
well, what you have, a lot, in terms of, are you
healthy, uh, how are your family relationships,
do you have good food, I mean, if you have those
three, think, well, I don’t have the fancy car,
or the fancy clothes, or this, or that, but I get
what you’re saying, because, even me, I see it,
let’s say you inherit all your money, and you
go broke, one snap, or you grew up with nothing,
and you built it all, and then you go
broke, it sucks, you’re both broke,
but having done it the first time, you’re going to
get back, if not more, than what you, you learned
that the hard way, your first business venture,
where you, I lost tens of thousands of dollars,
and I was faced with the same thing as you, do I
quit, or, you know what, it took me, let’s say,
five years to make that, I worked all kinds of
hours, lost it, bad business deal, that’s on me,
I could have been there, and everyone was telling
me, like, oh, you should lawyer up, and do this,
that, 100%, could have been ruthless, or, this
is on me, I did it once, I know now how I got it,
let’s take all of that, and get it back, and
I did it within, what, a year, I think, yeah,
I sacrificed, for sure, but because I had already
done it, and I didn’t just get it given to me,
I was able to, like, exponentially make that back,
whereas it took me years the first time, yep,
that’s where people underestimate what you learn
on that journey, like, see, it was the nursery,
what we learned in the nursery experience,
the first time, the second time was, like,
yeah, it still sucks, but it’s so much easier, and
each time, what you’ve learned, you don’t lose it,
and that’s one of the keys, is, you’ve
learned it, and your baseline’s gone up,
your tolerance has gone up, your tolerance
to pain, your tolerance to harshness, your
tolerance to the brutal parts, yeah, it goes up,
it goes up, so you grow, as your project advances,
so that it’s, like, well, you know what,
let’s start something, that, maybe,
there’ll be a few more brutal things, because
you feel like you need a little bit of harshness,
you need a little bit of tough times, ‘cause you
know it now, things are very easy, and, like, what
could we do that makes it a little harder, or a
little uncomfortable, uncomfortable is a good one,
yeah, because, gosh, you know, I was thinking
of that, what we have, that we don’t even,
like, we don’t even stop to think twice, oh, you
have running water, think, like, who doesn’t,
we all take that for granted, who doesn’t have
running, you have hot running water, oh my God,
that’s a luxury, kings, in the past, they didn’t
have that, uh, what do you have, you just touch a
button, probably, and you’ve got heat, what are
you talking about, I order food off my phone,
you can order food on your phone, yeah, you
have a, you have a phone, I have a phone, like,
so many things that we just take for granted, take
for granted, that, stop and inventory, just, like,
stop and think, what can I be thankful for, ‘cause
a lot of times, you end up, you’re complaining
about something, that you don’t even realize, how
minimal, how privileged you are, and how, like,
there’s safety nets in society, meaning what,
they won’t let you starve, in the past, look,
you don’t have, you may, starvation was a real,
present threat, uh, you get sick, you’re going
to die, well, chances are, you probably won’t die
now, and things that people took very seriously,
I remember, my mother would be super concerned
about getting blood poisoning, because, in Europe,
when she was growing up, people died all the
time, well, all the people died from something,
that’s as simple as, if they, her biggest scare
for me was that I would step on a rusty nail,
when I was building my treehouse, and it was,
like, you’re taking all this wood from our barn,
that has all these rusty nails, you could step
on a nail, and get blood poisoning, and, well,
now it’s, like, oh, what do you, you just go get
a course of antibiotics, yeah, but antibiotics
is not something that’s always been around, people
would get blood poisoning, and it would kill them,
so many things, you’ve got an appendix burst,
that used to be a serious cause of death, so much
has become easier, that, you know what, having a
project like this, that gives you some harshness,
maybe, in your life, that gives you some brutal
things, that raises up your mental toughness, is
important, and physical toughness, I mean, jeez,
people, a lot of times, you use the gym a lot, but
only because that’s your biggest form of exercise,
and it’s, like, a forced exercise, in season,
I don’t need no gym, I mean, I get plenty with
the farm, I’m starting now, with pruning season,
and it goes on through the seasons, so, that’s
something, you think, well, yeah, your physical
fitness, and take it for granted, but if you’re
not, if you’re injured, you realize, wow, I had,
three times, a rotator cuff tear, and the third
time, I was out for 6 months, I mean, I couldn’t,
I had one arm, basically, the other arm was not
useful at all, and that’s where you go, wow,
there’s a lot of things I can’t do now, you know,
try pruning with one arm, it’s not obvious, yeah.
So, if you have your health, and stay safe, that’s
why, in the pruning course, we have, you know,
that’s from experience, lessons on pruning
safely, because safety, and avoiding injury,
is really important, you only notice, when you’re
injured, how important this is, so it’s a lot of
lessons learned along the way, but I think that’s
a good place to wrap it up, basically, ‘cause,
like I say every time, he’s just going to keep
rambling, but when you go through the dark times,
because everybody has it, no matter where you
are, like you said before, it’s important to
just take a step back, I think, and reflect on how
far you’ve come, and the fact that you’re able to
get over it, that being said, thank you so much
for listening to this episode, good job, Pops.
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