really really tested all your skills and training?
training?
Oh gosh, like every moment tests all
your skills, don't they? Um, well, I
mean, we are living in an environment
that, you know, you got to make zero
mistakes, you know, there is no, you
can't just push the pause button, you
know. Yeah.
Stop up there. So, everything is just
very dynamic. Yeah, it's it's exactly
right. you can't pull over to the side
of the road and say, "Let's think about
this." Um, you know, it it's an
interesting question. I mean, certainly
there's been lots of challenges and
times where you have to step up to the
plate. I think the first time that
really hit me, um, going way back when I
was a flight instructor, um, I was with
a student who was kind of a big bulky
guy and he had an attitude and we had an
engine failure, which is not that big a
deal, right? Put the nose down. Go
through your Did it failure on a single
engine or 172 single engine 72 miles of
power? And um you know I I know what to
do. You know, you have your training.
It's like okay, I've got this. But what
I didn't count on was that that student
panicked. He froze on the controls and
he yanked back just as like an instinct.
He just yanked back. And the fact that
my size is what it is became suddenly
became an issue or had not been an issue
in my mind up until that point I hadn't
really really um ever focused on you
know being small right and he
overpowered me and even though I knew
what to do and I could fly the airplane
I knew all the procedures and I wasn't
you know I was like I've got this we're
good I found a nice spot to land I
couldn't physically overcome him
physically overcoming me. And that was
um that was probably my first like come
to you know come to Jesus moment was
holy crap all the training in the world
I can't overcome this and I ended up um
pulling the I end up pulling the gust
lock out of the seat uh the seat pocket
and beating him with it until he finally
snapped out of it and let go of the
controls and then I got the nose down
but we came very very very close to
stalling and and spinning very close and
um you know that all the training in the
world couldn't have prepared me for that
moment because I had no idea that he was
going to respond like that and that I
would be put in the position having
nothing to do with aviation or my skills
or my knowledge but just you know a
total oh my god what do I do now you
know so
you know um I had a similar situation
you know I do martial arts and uh I'm a
third degree black belt and Japanese
style. There is a maneuver that you do
with your elbow is called empty. You
know, it could be this way to the chin
or it could be sideways to the ribs. So,
I'm just like you. I'm a flight
instructor. Remember the old uh I'm
flying a right 172. We're doing
maneuvers. We're doing stalls and we do
spins. And so, remember the old days we
actually would practice spins in the
airplanes. Hey, when I was in high
school, I would go up and just I would
do barrel rolls. I did a loop once or
twice. I would do spins like as a
student pilot, you know, as a teenager
just that anymore. No, you can't. But I
I I didn't think twice about it, right?
Because we were just like, you know,
nobody We had no tail numbers on the
airplane back then either. Like they
were like microscopically small. So,
yeah. Nobody could take a picture. Here
we are. Yeah. In a practice area like
4,500 feet. And I told the guys, we're
going to do a spin to the left, like two
spins. You know, he's he's a pilot now.
I mean, he's got his instrument rating,
go towards his commercial. And I asked
him if you had spin endorsement. I mean,
those days that you really needed to get
an endorsement to do spins. And for
those of you guys who might not know
what a spin is, you get the aircraft
into a nose high attitude. You increase
the angle of attack to a point that the
airplane starts buffing and shaking and
falls out of the sky. We call it stall
and you have to lower the nose like
Laura was saying to gain air speed. Now
if you don't have coordination
uh by your feet keep the ball in the
center the low wing could drop as you
saw and the aircraft would go come
tumble down uh or we call it the spin.
And again to come out of the
spin you just push the opposite right
there. Keep the nose down. Now you're
going from spinning like this to a nose
dive. And gently you bring the nose up.
Otherwise, if you pull up too hard, you
could rip the wings off. And we've seen
that on YouTube that some guys have done
that in air shows. Uh so just like your
scenario, Laura. Mhm. We get into spin.
So I go, okay, one turn, two
turn, come out of it. He's scared, you
know, because to do the spin, you're
putting the nose back already. Right.
And in a stall, you just got to release
the back pressure. So the nose drops.
But because the airplane start tumbling,
the guy is scared and he's holding it
back. So we go to three t three turns in
a spin. Then the fourth and the fifth.
I'm keep telling him let go. Even if you
just let go, the airplane would go back
into a nose drive attitude.
And he's not. And just like you, I'm
trying to put my hand on the yolk, try
go the other way. He's not. So I
literally elbowed him right in his wrist
so hard that knocked the wind out of
him. Yeah. Knocked the wind out. I think
we recovered about 1500 ft. You know in
your case I mean you had lost the
engine. Jesus. I mean Yeah. It was it
was scary because like I said I can put
it down but I can't I put it can't put
it down in a spin. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. You
know I always focus on safety. I always
focus on safety no matter what. You
know, I always would show up at the
simulator on time and you know, a lot of
times the guys soon as they're done with
the check rides or the three bounces, if
they're, you know, lapsing, takeoff and
landings, they just want to get out of
the cockpit. You know, I've been saying
this a lot on my speeches, too. I always
stayed behind and always went the extra
mile. I would always ask the instructor
to let me do two things. You know, like
when you're done with the training, they
say, "Well, is anything else you want to
see?" You know, like you're done with
the check ride. you know, you're good to
go for another 9 months. I always say,
you know, put me about 10,000 ft
um 5,000 ft about 10 miles out of San
Fran. Mhm. Shut everything down, whether
it was a 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, triple 7.
Shut everything down at night and I'm
just going to glide and land this
airplane with no
power. And I've never missed the runway.
I always counted on my stick and rudder
feel and that came really really handy
when we lost the engine over the
Pacific. Yeah. Because you know from
36,000 ft all the way to touchdown was
manually flown really gingerly really
smoothly so you wouldn't overstress the
aircraft. And uh and I've never missed
San Fran. Even a few times I had to slip
a 747 or a trip 7 to slip it to get it
down but never overshot the runway and
always landed. The second thing I would
always ask him to do was put me about
20,000 ft and 320 knots auto off uh
pilot off flight directors off and I
would do a barrel roll to the right and
a barrel roll to the left again. 7273747.
7273747.
Yep. And people say, "Bullshit." You
know, we don't believe you say that. I
said, "I I I've done it." So, guess what
I did on my last check ride at United?
Yes. I had it filmed.
Did you? I have it filmed. I I'll I'll
send it to you. So, I'm coming over to
Colorado range, right? I do a barrel
roll on the trip 7 to the right and to
the left. And since I don't work for
United anymore, I might put it on social
media sooner or later. One of these
days, but uh you know, it's just
amazing. At 320 knots, you bring the
nose up to 20° and the right elev
uh rudder and just do sweet one jeep
barrel roll. You know, I always tell
people if you're sitting back there with
a glass of wine, you won't even spill
the darn thing. You wouldn't even know
that we just did this. Yeah. Um anyways,
it was a lot of fun. You know there's
been uh you you and I witnessed you know
decades and decades of changes in
aviation. Yeah. Decades of changes.
Where do you think the aviation safety
stands right now? where uh you know what
are the some of the blind spots as you
and I you know getting going leaving the
major airline and I can talk about this
more freely than when I did when I was
working for United but I am somewhat
concerned and
you know that the changes are happening
is is nobody's fault it's just a reality
of the thing you know people like myself
with 30,000 hours of flight time
and doing something remarkable in
history of aviation by saving 381 lives.
You know they say that that would have
been the worst aviation disaster in
United States involving one aircraft.
Yeah. I mean there have been cases that
more people have died or perished. First
of all to be honest with you I'm getting
a lot of compliments now
because we saved that many people
unfortunately as you know. Yeah, the
last few months alone, whether it was
the South Korean jetliner crash or what
happened in DC and other places,
hundreds and hundreds of people perished
for because of human error or whatever
the case is, the fact that we saved this
many lives, people are beginning to
appreciate it. So, where do you think
the aviation safety stands? What are the
some of the blind spots as far as you're
concerned we should uh watch for? Oh
gosh, I could get myself in trouble with
this one.
Um, first of all, I would like to note
how safe flying is. I think uh the
latest statistic I saw was
12.3 million people fly around the world
every single day safely. That's 365 days
a year. Billions. It's very safe. Yeah.
Millions of hours of of safe flying. Um
we we we've definitely increased safety
in a lot of respects over the years,
right? looking back towards like
Tenneref all the um modernization of
aircraft and technology um that has
developed over the years has certainly
increased safety in a lot of respects. I
think um the biggest increase to safety
just in my opinion is the um not so much
the modernization of uh equipment but
just the tremendous advancements we've
made in communication. And as as silly
as that seems, uh we get ourselves in
trouble with miscommunication and not
understanding. You have any trouble with
what? With miscommunication.
Miscommunication. Like you think about
all these runway encouragements, you
think about all the different things,
all the close uh calls that we've had.
Uh a huge part of that is just somebody
misunderstood something, right? Even
like these latest crashes like the one
that just happened in DCA. Clearly there
was a breakdown in communication here
that caused well that caused that that
um that tragedy. Um you know as far as
like what we're missing loopholes I mean h
h
yeah you know we've had a lot of
developments over the years that have
given us more information right we now
have very comprehensive cockpit voice
recorders. We can now go behind the
scenes when there's an accident or just
a mishap or an incident or something
that you know uh you know didn't lead to
a tragedy but could have and we can
really dissect it and figure out what
led to um this you know this incident.
And most of the time it's some sort of
human factors issue, right? And that
human factors could be any number of
different things from a workload to
procedures to communication. And I think
the cockpit voice recorder, as invasive
as it may be, has given us a lot of
really good information um to get to the
bottom of what needs to be changed. Um I
think a a loophole is that that part of
the investigation doesn't extend outside
of the cockpit. Um, and like for
example, we have area mics in the
cockpit. So, we know other than what is
being communicated over the radio, what
other things are going on that may have
contributed to the mistakes that were
made. But we don't have the exact same
equivalent in say an air traffic control
facility where you have five or six
people say in a small area and or just
one controller managing too many
different things. Well, We don't know.
That's the assumption, but we don't know
because we don't know. And that's that's
No, no, I'm not talking about the DCA
crash, but in in most cases, I've been
to airports that the clearance, ground,
tower, all one same person because
everybody else is gone and because we
have become complacent and because we
think that well this is a SOP every
night, nothing's going to change. But
that's where it gets you. You know nine
out of ten in cases nine out of ten
nothing happens and when it happens one
time is a
coordinated stuff that happens is
accident just not an accident like I was
talking to Peter a mentor pilot he said
you got to go back on the ground before
this whole thing started you know in the
flight planning phase to see how
everything led for this two trends to
meet and create that accident, right?
And that's exactly exactly the point you
you made it beautifully that that I'm
making is that um there are so many, you
know, holes in the Swiss cheese that
lead up to whatever the ultimate
incident is, right? And and but we just
don't know. We don't know that piece of
the puzzle is what I'm trying to say.
And it's it's such really good
information to have like in the cockpit
you have two trained professionals in a
sterile environment and still we get
really good information um in that small
little bubble we get very good
information from like an area mic
wouldn't we also get good information if
it was in like a Treycon where there's
15 16 people um maybe there's tours
going on uh maybe you have one person
who has a high workload mode and you've
got two people that are also there but
they're you know not contributing or
maybe the procedures need to change or
maybe communication between I'm just
saying I'm just saying we don't know
that's all I'm saying a piece of the
puzzle that is always and forever a
mystery and going all the way back to
Tenneref where there were three
controllers um and you know three pilots
in each of the aircraft and we got
tremendous information from the cockpit
divorce reporters. We learned a lot
about procedures and communication, but
we didn't get any information from that
third piece in the puzzle. And I just
think that
um everybody really really cares about
safety and really cares about keeping
everybody alive. And I think it's a huge
teamwork and CRM has contributed to
safety tremendously and CRM started off
just being the two uh two pilots. Then
they included the flight attendants.
Obviously, we need to hear from them,
too. Then they included dispatchers and
mechanics and even passengers.
Everybody's in that loop of whatever
information we can garner, let's use it.
But shouldn't controllers also be in
that CRM loop? Shouldn't that also that
information also it would just be
helpful? Yeah, that CRM is important,
man. Not only for in aviation, for in
air traffic controller, you gota have it
with the mechanics. So, you know,
there's checks and balances. So you're
always passing on the baton to the other
guy especially in hospital with doctors
and I mean how many death could be
prevented in hospital because of that.
You also talk a lot about
self-confidence and taking risk. How do
you build that type of confidence and
what's needed to make those split uh
decision or split-second decisions? What
when you refer to those things? Oh gosh.
I mean you could answer that better than
me I'm sure. Um, you know, honestly,
it's it's experience and uh it's it's
like kind of like back backing up to
what we were talking about before. Um,
it's every single time you get something
right, like register that, soak it in,
replay the things you did right in your
mind, and that continues to build
confidence, that continues to change
your image of yourself, you know, in
your own mind. And I always kind of live
by a philosophy in my life to um always
try to be just a little bit in over your
head because when you're in just a
little bit over your head, you are
growing and you're learning and you're
going to the next step. And then the
next day, you're going to be above water
at that level, but now you're going to
be at the next level. And honestly, I
think that's the greatest way to build
self-confidence is to just always
challenge yourself. do a little bit more
than you thought you could do, be a
little bit unsure of yourself, and you,
you know, you'll surprise yourself every
single time. You'll pull it off, and
then you just keep moving forward and
just keep climbing up that ladder. I
think that's Yeah. I always tell people,
life's going to life is going to throw
you a lot of curve balls. Don't complain
about the curveball. Just get become a
better batter. Just get better at
batting it back because that's how you
build the confidence going forward.
Yeah. Uh, your book Jet Boss is featured
in Smithsonian. Good for you, man. I'm
so proud of you. You inspired What
inspired you to write it? And uh, what
has been the most rewarding feedback you
have received when people read that book
and get back to you? What inspired me to
write? You know, that's that's a good
question. I um didn't set out to write a
book. Um, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't
like a goal of one of these things. It
wasn't a goal of mine and then, you
know, nothing just happens. you have to
work hard towards anything but suddenly
that became something I I decided to
start working towards. Uh I think what
happened with me was
uh 911 happened. I was in flight
training. I was actually in captain uh
captain upgrade school at that time and
it was um it was just it was just a a horrible horrible time you know at the
horrible horrible time you know at the airlines and uh we were in the flight
airlines and uh we were in the flight training center and we couldn't go
training center and we couldn't go anywhere because everything was
anywhere because everything was grounded. We couldn't continue training
grounded. We couldn't continue training because it was just it was just
because it was just it was just everybody was just too um just too
everybody was just too um just too traumatized to to really concentrate and
traumatized to to really concentrate and to and to and to do that. And it was so
to and to and to do that. And it was so surreal. I remember I started just
surreal. I remember I started just writing down in my hotel stationary like
writing down in my hotel stationary like what was happening. Like somebody
what was happening. Like somebody thought to use our airplanes as guided
thought to use our airplanes as guided missiles. Yeah. Like it was just so
missiles. Yeah. Like it was just so unbelievable and um such an emotional
unbelievable and um such an emotional time. I just started writing down what
time. I just started writing down what was happening and what I was feeling and
was happening and what I was feeling and what was going on. And that really is
what was going on. And that really is what led to me writing. That's what I
what led to me writing. That's what I discovered. Um, you know, I I I I'm
discovered. Um, you know, I I I I'm going to I'm going to keep writing about
going to I'm going to keep writing about things that are happening. And then
things that are happening. And then after that, I was a brand new hire, a
after that, I was a brand new hire, a brand new captain. Um, and I was based
brand new captain. Um, and I was based out of DCA. I was based out of
out of DCA. I was based out of Washington right in the immediate
Washington right in the immediate aftermath of 911. and you know if the
aftermath of 911. and you know if the air marshals and I mean it was just it
air marshals and I mean it was just it was a christening by fire and again I
was a christening by fire and again I was like I just almost as a I don't know
was like I just almost as a I don't know it was like therapeutic I was just
it was like therapeutic I was just writing down what was happening and I
writing down what was happening and I think it occurred to me a little later
think it occurred to me a little later that a lot of that was just history you
that a lot of that was just history you know that was this was a quite a time in
know that was this was a quite a time in American history um and then just it was
American history um and then just it was very interesting being the captain that
very interesting being the captain that looked like they called me the teenage
looked like they called me the teenage captain because I looked very young back
captain because I looked very young back then and captain the the mechanics in
then and captain the the mechanics in Washington started saying calling me the
Washington started saying calling me the teenage captain and it stuck and that
teenage captain and it stuck and that became kind of like my little moniker
became kind of like my little moniker and um nobody took me seriously you know
and um nobody took me seriously you know so it was it was really kind of comical
so it was it was really kind of comical but then I was I started writing about
but then I was I started writing about that you know like from my perspective
that you know like from my perspective doing this you know in Washington and
doing this you know in Washington and and I don't know it just one again one
and I don't know it just one again one thing led to the next that led to the
thing led to the next that led to the next and and even then I had written all
next and and even then I had written all these different you know everything that
these different you know everything that was happening and it was kind of funny
was happening and it was kind of funny and kind of serious and I didn't think
and kind of serious and I didn't think much of it until um I think a little
much of it until um I think a little later I started to realize like the
later I started to realize like the light bulb went off that I had become
light bulb went off that I had become the person that I wish I knew when I was
the person that I wish I knew when I was a young girl just getting into aviation
a young girl just getting into aviation and I didn't know anything. I had no one
and I didn't know anything. I had no one to ask any advice. You know, I got
to ask any advice. You know, I got pregnant. I didn't know what to do. I
pregnant. I didn't know what to do. I mean, there's just so much confusion and
mean, there's just so much confusion and like there's no owner's manual for, you
like there's no owner's manual for, you know, for being, you know, for being a
know, for being, you know, for being a girl, you know, in this industry. And I
girl, you know, in this industry. And I think that was probably the catalyst
think that was probably the catalyst that made me get serious about, you know
that made me get serious about, you know what, I I'm going to I'm going to get
what, I I'm going to I'm going to get this printed. I'm gonna I'm gonna um I'm
this printed. I'm gonna I'm gonna um I'm going to write this and get serious
going to write this and get serious about this. And I want It's not easy, is
about this. And I want It's not easy, is it? You know, no, it's a lot of work.
it? You know, no, it's a lot of work. No, a lot of people think it's like a
No, a lot of people think it's like a whole industry. It's like a cutthroat
whole industry. It's like a cutthroat industry publishing. It really is. It
industry publishing. It really is. It was It was crazy. But that's it. That's,
was It was crazy. But that's it. That's, you know, I just decided I I I need to
you know, I just decided I I I need to get this out there, you know. Um and
get this out there, you know. Um and it's, you know, now I'm in the
it's, you know, now I'm in the Smithsonian. So, like, oh my gosh, you
Smithsonian. So, like, oh my gosh, you know, uh I it it has done well, a lot
know, uh I it it has done well, a lot better obviously than I ever thought it
better obviously than I ever thought it was going to do. So, yeah. No, it's it
was going to do. So, yeah. No, it's it is not easy, man. I'll tell you. But,
is not easy, man. I'll tell you. But, you know, I was um thinking about it. I
you know, I was um thinking about it. I have couple of more ideas that uh
have couple of more ideas that uh especially in success principle areas,
especially in success principle areas, motivational leadership that I have so
motivational leadership that I have so much information up here. I just have to
much information up here. I just have to find the time to sit down and write
find the time to sit down and write those into my great stories. Hey, your
those into my great stories. Hey, your stories in um are in the chicken soup
stories in um are in the chicken soup for souls and published by Simon
for souls and published by Simon Schuster. Do you have favorite aviation
Schuster. Do you have favorite aviation story you like to share with us? Do I
story you like to share with us? Do I have a favorite aviation story? Um yeah,
have a favorite aviation story? Um yeah, I'm in three. the Chicken Soup for the
I'm in three. the Chicken Soup for the Soul books. And um I just like just one
Soul books. And um I just like just one cute one that's actually at the
cute one that's actually at the beginning of my book here. Um just a
beginning of my book here. Um just a very light-hearted one. When um when
very light-hearted one. When um when when my my son was in Oh my gosh, he
when my my son was in Oh my gosh, he just still cracks me. When my son was in
just still cracks me. When my son was in preschool when he was four years old and
preschool when he was four years old and he was very very shy. As you can see,
he was very very shy. As you can see, the apple does not well the apple can
the apple does not well the apple can fall very far from the tree. One one of
fall very far from the tree. One one of my sons is outgoing. One of them is very
my sons is outgoing. One of them is very shy. And um he was in preschool and the
shy. And um he was in preschool and the teacher was going around the room, you
teacher was going around the room, you know, criss-cross applesauce. Everyone
know, criss-cross applesauce. Everyone had to answer the same question. What do
had to answer the same question. What do you want to be when you grow up? And
you want to be when you grow up? And when she got to my son, he wouldn't
when she got to my son, he wouldn't answer her cuz he was just all, you
answer her cuz he was just all, you know, nervous and didn't want to answer.
know, nervous and didn't want to answer. And so being very helpful and very sweet
And so being very helpful and very sweet in the most sugary preschool teacher
in the most sugary preschool teacher voice, she goes, "Oh, well, do you want
voice, she goes, "Oh, well, do you want to be a pilot?" And boy, that woke him
to be a pilot?" And boy, that woke him up. He just got this look of disgust on
up. He just got this look of disgust on his face. He goes, "A a pilot?" He goes,
his face. He goes, "A a pilot?" He goes, "That that's a that's a girl's job." And
"That that's a that's a girl's job." And he was like,
he was like, he was so she would like infer that he
he was so she would like infer that he should grow up to be a girl. And he was
should grow up to be a girl. And he was absolutely indignant at that suggestion.
absolutely indignant at that suggestion. And I'm I was I was a classroom
And I'm I was I was a classroom volunteer. So I was like in the back of
volunteer. So I was like in the back of the room going,
the room going, you know, so I it just cracked me up. It
you know, so I it just cracked me up. It But you know, that's funny. Out of the
But you know, that's funny. Out of the mouth of babes, he he was it was the
mouth of babes, he he was it was the most innocent. It just shows you
most innocent. It just shows you perspective. Perspective really is
perspective. Perspective really is everything, isn't it? It's uh it's all
everything, isn't it? It's uh it's all it's all what you know growing up. What
it's all what you know growing up. What is normal for you is how you're going to
is normal for you is how you're going to see yourself in this world. And um you
see yourself in this world. And um you know, that was that was the way he saw
know, that was that was the way he saw the world. And you know, it was very
the world. And you know, it was very different than how I how I saw the
different than how I how I saw the world. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a job
world. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a job for girls. Yep. Well, you build an
for girls. Yep. Well, you build an incredible legacy in aviation in my
incredible legacy in aviation in my opinion at least. You know, riding,
opinion at least. You know, riding, mentoring. What's next on the horizon
mentoring. What's next on the horizon for you? Oh, you want to team up, huh?
for you? Oh, you want to team up, huh? You know, we might cross paths
You know, we might cross paths somewhere.
somewhere. I love being on the stage. I I don't
I love being on the stage. I I don't know if I told you or not, but last
know if I told you or not, but last April, I think I was in front of General
April, I think I was in front of General Electric, 20,000 people. I mean, I get
Electric, 20,000 people. I mean, I get really, really, really energized. Yes.
really, really, really energized. Yes. And u I couldn't picture that. Yeah.
And u I couldn't picture that. Yeah. Well, you know, just like some of the
Well, you know, just like some of the people that asked me to go become a
people that asked me to go become a keynote speaker just for my energy
keynote speaker just for my energy because, you know, I can't be animated.
because, you know, I can't be animated. I'm not shy. I I know my stuff. I've
I'm not shy. I I know my stuff. I've proven it. You know, I have the
proven it. You know, I have the self-confidence and a quiet confidence.
self-confidence and a quiet confidence. I don't have to go show it off. But I
I don't have to go show it off. But I love absolutely love sharing. And I
love absolutely love sharing. And I think if you, me and maybe Merryill
think if you, me and maybe Merryill somewhere, you know, we cross path or we
somewhere, you know, we cross path or we same conference would be awesome. about
same conference would be awesome. about to do book signs with Merrill out in um
to do book signs with Merrill out in um the Wii conference is coming up. So Oh
the Wii conference is coming up. So Oh yeah. When is that? The It's in Denver.
yeah. When is that? The It's in Denver. The women aviation conference.
The women aviation conference. Okay. Got a question for you on that.
Okay. Got a question for you on that. You don't allow men in there to come out
You don't allow men in there to come out and speak, right? Um have you has there
and speak, right? Um have you has there been men? there. Well, there's there's
been men? there. Well, there's there's like 50% of the attendees are men
like 50% of the attendees are men because they do a lot of interviewing
because they do a lot of interviewing and stuff and so um the the men are 100%
and stuff and so um the the men are 100% as far as the speakers because I would
as far as the speakers because I would love to be there to share my aviation
love to be there to share my aviation story of what happened up there. Okay.
story of what happened up there. Okay. Hey, hint hint hint. You know, it's
Hey, hint hint hint. You know, it's like, you know, and uh if if any
like, you know, and uh if if any somebody watch this or you have a friend
somebody watch this or you have a friend and they want me come talk about United
and they want me come talk about United 1175 because that has made pilots safer.
1175 because that has made pilots safer. As a matter of fact,
As a matter of fact, as a matter of
as a matter of c fact, Captain Stevenson, who flew out
c fact, Captain Stevenson, who flew out of Denver when the engine blew up, I
of Denver when the engine blew up, I happened to run into him at the flight
happened to run into him at the flight ops in San Fran. Mhm. And you know, I
ops in San Fran. Mhm. And you know, I have a video on it about it that I put
have a video on it about it that I put it on on the u my
it on on the u my Instagram. So, you know, I obviously I
Instagram. So, you know, I obviously I knew who he was. He knew who I was. And
knew who he was. He knew who I was. And he said, "You know what? Um I watched
he said, "You know what? Um I watched your videos. I watched that animation
your videos. I watched that animation you made about 75. I've seen it." Yeah.
you made about 75. I've seen it." Yeah. Yeah. And and Laura, the the reason for
Yeah. And and Laura, the the reason for that animation was that when they fed
that animation was that when they fed the information from a cockpit, not a
the information from a cockpit, not a flight data recorder into the computers
flight data recorder into the computers and put it in the sims, the vibration
and put it in the sims, the vibration was so severe it was ripping the jacks
was so severe it was ripping the jacks off the concrete on the sim. Yeah. I
off the concrete on the sim. Yeah. I said, "Captain, we can't teach this.
said, "Captain, we can't teach this. This is not like Yeah. the windshare
This is not like Yeah. the windshare thing that Delta had in Dallas that, you
thing that Delta had in Dallas that, you know, we all practice and learn from."
know, we all practice and learn from." They said, "We can't practice this." I
They said, "We can't practice this." I said, "Well, dial it down to 50%." Even
said, "Well, dial it down to 50%." Even at that point, it was too severe. It
at that point, it was too severe. It would damage the simulator. And as you
would damage the simulator. And as you know, those simulators get used 247 and
know, those simulators get used 247 and they couldn't do it. Yeah. So, I thought
they couldn't do it. Yeah. So, I thought I want to share with the rest of the
I want to share with the rest of the world what really happened up there. And
world what really happened up there. And Juan Brand Blanco did a phenomenal job
Juan Brand Blanco did a phenomenal job and putting that up. And, you know, lot
and putting that up. And, you know, lot of lot of pilots from many different
of lot of pilots from many different airlines have seen. You probably did one
airlines have seen. You probably did one too, right? on your incident.
too, right? on your incident. Yeah. Well, he Yeah, he did the part of
Yeah. Well, he Yeah, he did the part of it. He put that, but I mean, he did a
it. He put that, but I mean, he did a great job. I mean, his uh Peter did
great job. I mean, his uh Peter did amazing job, too. And uh so, Captain
amazing job, too. And uh so, Captain Steven says said that I had watched your
Steven says said that I had watched your video. Therefore, you know, the lessons
video. Therefore, you know, the lessons that I learned through you helped me
that I learned through you helped me with my decision making to land that
with my decision making to land that airplane safely on the ground. So, which
airplane safely on the ground. So, which is a really really good Yeah. um thing
is a really really good Yeah. um thing to remember you know as
to remember you know as your outcome was successful right yeah
your outcome was successful right yeah and so many lessons come out of
and so many lessons come out of successful outcomes and we don't I think
successful outcomes and we don't I think we don't focus enough on that we focus a
we don't focus enough on that we focus a lot on when something really bad happens
lot on when something really bad happens what could what should we have done
what could what should we have done differently but when something really
differently but when something really bad almost happens and we we pull out of
bad almost happens and we we pull out of it let's figure out what was done right
it let's figure out what was done right so we can make sure that wasn't a fluke
so we can make sure that wasn't a fluke that everyone gets gets that message
that everyone gets gets that message gets that training that information.
gets that training that information. Yeah, exactly. You know what? We got
Yeah, exactly. You know what? We got interviewed by FAA, NTSB and the company
interviewed by FAA, NTSB and the company after the incident. I never forget the
after the incident. I never forget the NTP gentleman said, you know, captain,
NTP gentleman said, you know, captain, you have no idea what a pleasure it is
you have no idea what a pleasure it is to talk to a live captain. Yes. And
to talk to a live captain. Yes. And hearing what happened, right? Yeah. Then
hearing what happened, right? Yeah. Then rather than picking up the pieces from
rather than picking up the pieces from the bottom of the ocean, try to put them
the bottom of the ocean, try to put them together and figure out what happened.
together and figure out what happened. You know, I think that was really really
You know, I think that was really really important. Um Yeah. Yeah. Your story
important. Um Yeah. Yeah. Your story isn't just about aviation. It's about
isn't just about aviation. It's about breaking barriers and uh chasing big
breaking barriers and uh chasing big dreams. Uh you say maybe it didn't start
dreams. Uh you say maybe it didn't start with a dream but at some point you know
with a dream but at some point you know flying and becoming a captain writing a
flying and becoming a captain writing a big book became a dream. What's the
big book became a dream. What's the secret to pushing past the fear and
secret to pushing past the fear and doubt and go after what of what what you
doubt and go after what of what what you want in your mind? What's the secret to
want in your mind? What's the secret to that?
that? Um, gosh, put into something that just
Um, gosh, put into something that just happens, you know? I mean, it's
happens, you know? I mean, it's it's, you know, honestly, it's kind of
it's, you know, honestly, it's kind of like what we were saying before. It's
like what we were saying before. It's just taking every day and and whatever
just taking every day and and whatever you get right, focus on that and learn
you get right, focus on that and learn from that and try to repeat that. It's
from that and try to repeat that. It's kind of like, you know, whatever
kind of like, you know, whatever whatever hand you're dealt, right? We're
whatever hand you're dealt, right? We're all we're all dealt a different hand,
all we're all dealt a different hand, you know, and playing your cards to the
you know, and playing your cards to the absolute best of your ability. You know
absolute best of your ability. You know what I I found that what has gotten me
what I I found that what has gotten me really far in life is um whenever I'm
really far in life is um whenever I'm given an opportunity, I just take it and
given an opportunity, I just take it and I and I run. You know, I run with it.
I and I run. You know, I run with it. And whenever I have a chance to to
And whenever I have a chance to to succeed at something, you know, I I do
succeed at something, you know, I I do everything I can possibly do to make it
everything I can possibly do to make it work. And then when I've done everything
work. And then when I've done everything I can possibly think of, I do a little
I can possibly think of, I do a little bit more. And if you just always going
bit more. And if you just always going the extra mile, like I call it, always
the extra mile, like I call it, always going the extra mile. You just have to
going the extra mile. You just have to because you're never gonna really get
because you're never gonna really get any place, you know, really far if you
any place, you know, really far if you settle for, you know, I I I achieved
settle for, you know, I I I achieved what I thought I was going to achieve or
what I thought I was going to achieve or I I set this goal and I met this goal.
I I set this goal and I met this goal. You can't be happy. You have to keep
You can't be happy. You have to keep moving the goalpost. I mean, and the
moving the goalpost. I mean, and the more you move it, uh, the more you
more you move it, uh, the more you realize that what you can do. And I mean
realize that what you can do. And I mean kind of like that's been the secret with
kind of like that's been the secret with me is I've never been um satisfied with
me is I've never been um satisfied with you know like I I get on with you know
you know like I I get on with you know United well now I want to move up to
United well now I want to move up to this airplane. I'm Boeing. I'm like I
this airplane. I'm Boeing. I'm like I want to try Airbus. Right. You have to
want to try Airbus. Right. You have to just keep moving the goalpost to bigger
just keep moving the goalpost to bigger and better things. Keep moving it
and better things. Keep moving it forward. Exactly. Exactly. And um I
forward. Exactly. Exactly. And um I think that's kind of the the the key to
think that's kind of the the the key to really getting anywhere far in life. I
really getting anywhere far in life. I mean, I started writing notes about 911
mean, I started writing notes about 911 on hotel stationary and longhand and I
on hotel stationary and longhand and I end up, you know, getting a book in the
end up, you know, getting a book in the uh in the Smithsonian. So, you just keep
uh in the Smithsonian. So, you just keep moving that goalpost and keep yourself
moving that goalpost and keep yourself just a little bit underwater and you
just a little bit underwater and you know, you know, like I wanted to be a
know, you know, like I wanted to be a 747 pilot since I was 9 years old.
747 pilot since I was 9 years old. Coming from a different country, there
Coming from a different country, there was no opportunities. They were not even
was no opportunities. They were not even 7 I mean there were a couple of 747 ISBs
7 I mean there were a couple of 747 ISBs for Iran era at the time but obviously
for Iran era at the time but obviously that I wasn't going to become part of
that I wasn't going to become part of that and when I came to the states and
that and when I came to the states and became a pilot and did fly the 47 after
became a pilot and did fly the 47 after a couple of years I'm like is that all
a couple of years I'm like is that all there is is all this thing that I
there is is all this thing that I dreamed about and that's what you're
dreamed about and that's what you're talking about you know the key to my
talking about you know the key to my happiness is I had no expectations you
happiness is I had no expectations you know going up from the back seat to the
know going up from the back seat to the right seat from the right seat to the
right seat from the right seat to the left seat and then working your way up I
left seat and then working your way up I Apart from that, becoming an
Apart from that, becoming an entrepreneur, pushing yourself in that
entrepreneur, pushing yourself in that department, building a life, having
department, building a life, having getting married, having kids, and you
getting married, having kids, and you know some of the toys that you wanted to
know some of the toys that you wanted to have in life. I don't have these toys
have in life. I don't have these toys because I want to show off. These are
because I want to show off. These are the things I wrote them when I was like
the things I wrote them when I was like 17, 18, 20 years old. Yeah. Now, you
17, 18, 20 years old. Yeah. Now, you know, 40 years later, I have that and
know, 40 years later, I have that and it's is mine is is something that I
it's is mine is is something that I worked hard at it. I worked honest. I
worked hard at it. I worked honest. I did an honest job. Worked hard to get
did an honest job. Worked hard to get there. And right now, you know, people
there. And right now, you know, people ask me, well, what what do you do? I,
ask me, well, what what do you do? I, you know, a lot of people say, well, I'm
you know, a lot of people say, well, I'm retired. You're not a pilot. I don't say
retired. You're not a pilot. I don't say that. I'm a keynote speaker. I'm a
that. I'm a keynote speaker. I'm a motivational speaker. That's what is my
motivational speaker. That's what is my passion. That's what juices up. Right.
passion. That's what juices up. Right. You achieved your goal. I said, you
You achieved your goal. I said, you moved your own goal. You achieved your
moved your own goal. You achieved your goal and now you're doing something that
goal and now you're doing something that you did not expect to do 20 years ago.
you did not expect to do 20 years ago. You have to keep finding new things. And
You have to keep finding new things. And you know, there's kind of like a fine
you know, there's kind of like a fine line between like squirrel and being
line between like squirrel and being distracted versus just being open-minded
distracted versus just being open-minded and saying, "Ah, I never thought about
and saying, "Ah, I never thought about that. You know what? I'm a pilot, but I
that. You know what? I'm a pilot, but I can do this also." And you know, you
can do this also." And you know, you just have to always be open to seeing
just have to always be open to seeing new opportunities, seeing new things,
new opportunities, seeing new things, seeing new new sides to yourself. I
seeing new new sides to yourself. I never I just I'm a dumb pilot. I'm not a
never I just I'm a dumb pilot. I'm not a author right now. I'm like in Barnes &
author right now. I'm like in Barnes & Noble. So, you're Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
Noble. So, you're Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Now you're writer. Now your books are
Now you're writer. Now your books are out and I I do speeches and you know one
out and I I do speeches and you know one thing's going to led to another another
thing's going to led to another another door open another avenue in front of
door open another avenue in front of you. Yeah, it's exciting. Yeah, it's
you. Yeah, it's exciting. Yeah, it's exciting. Yeah, actually it is kind of
exciting. Yeah, actually it is kind of exciting, isn't it? So it's it's really
exciting, isn't it? So it's it's really it's really fun. I I I think, you know,
it's really fun. I I I think, you know, just backpedaling a little, I think a
just backpedaling a little, I think a big key to um success is to have fun
big key to um success is to have fun because I think anything that you enjoy
because I think anything that you enjoy doing, you're going to be good at it and
doing, you're going to be good at it and you're going to put the work into it
you're going to put the work into it because you like being there. You like
because you like being there. You like doing what you're doing. So, it would be
doing what you're doing. So, it would be really hard, I think, to be successful
really hard, I think, to be successful at something that you don't want to do
at something that you don't want to do or you don't enjoy doing. So, find the
or you don't enjoy doing. So, find the fun in it. And and that's a big part of
fun in it. And and that's a big part of getting like say like girls into STEM is
getting like say like girls into STEM is you know take take away the whiteboard
you know take take away the whiteboard and you know the math you know theorems
and you know the math you know theorems and all that stuff and give them a
and all that stuff and give them a rocket to build. Um you know anybody any
rocket to build. Um you know anybody any kid you make it fun make it something
kid you make it fun make it something that they want to do. Make it something
that they want to do. Make it something practical and um something that's in the
practical and um something that's in the world that they can enjoy doing and
world that they can enjoy doing and actually you know get uh get a feeling
actually you know get uh get a feeling of accomplishment from. And it's amazing
of accomplishment from. And it's amazing what a kid can learn when it's presented
what a kid can learn when it's presented like that. Exactly.
like that. Exactly. Yeah. Uh you and I were talking there
Yeah. Uh you and I were talking there was something major happened in your
was something major happened in your life, you know, about your neck. Do you
life, you know, about your neck. Do you feel comfortable? You want to talk about
feel comfortable? You want to talk about Oh, yeah. You Yeah. My Yeah, that to me
Oh, yeah. You Yeah. My Yeah, that to me that is an incredible story and the
that is an incredible story and the comeback and what you have did with it.
comeback and what you have did with it. If you feel comfortable, you know, talk
If you feel comfortable, you know, talk about it for a few minutes, that'd be
about it for a few minutes, that'd be awesome. People need to hear that. The
awesome. People need to hear that. The comeback kit here. Come back kid. Um,
comeback kit here. Come back kid. Um, yeah. So, I think what I think what
yeah. So, I think what I think what you're alluding to is that I uh years
you're alluding to is that I uh years back I broke my neck. Broke your neck.
back I broke my neck. Broke your neck. Yes. Um, yes. And it was
Yes. Um, yes. And it was uh it was an incredibly significant, you
uh it was an incredibly significant, you know, wrench in the tire for me in my
know, wrench in the tire for me in my life. I was at United. Thank God they
life. I was at United. Thank God they would never have hired me if I had that
would never have hired me if I had that medical history to start with. I was at
medical history to start with. I was at United. I I broke my neck. I was in the
United. I I broke my neck. I was in the hospital for quite a long time. I had
hospital for quite a long time. I had multiple neurosurgeries. I had
multiple neurosurgeries. I had completely severed my um my atlas to my
completely severed my um my atlas to my axis cervical one to cervical 2. Uh
axis cervical one to cervical 2. Uh completely severed it. And the damage
completely severed it. And the damage was How did it happen? How did it
was How did it happen? How did it happen? Yeah. You know, honestly, it's
happen? Yeah. You know, honestly, it's it's I I'm not 100% sure. It was I I
it's I I'm not 100% sure. It was I I mentioned this briefly in my book. I was
mentioned this briefly in my book. I was a captain actually noticed there was
a captain actually noticed there was something sticking out of the back of my
something sticking out of the back of my neck and back then I was women were
neck and back then I was women were required to wear their hair up so you
required to wear their hair up so you could see the back of my neck and um
could see the back of my neck and um gosh it's it's a really long story but I
gosh it's it's a really long story but I was having different medical issues that
was having different medical issues that I was kind of covering up you know
I was kind of covering up you know because I was like a pilot and
because I was like a pilot and everything no nothing that was a big
everything no nothing that was a big deal but you know you don't complain
deal but you know you don't complain about anything back then and uh I end up
about anything back then and uh I end up going to a chiropractor who took x-rays
going to a chiropractor who took x-rays who then turned white and got very
who then turned white and got very nervous and immediately sent me to the
nervous and immediately sent me to the hospital cuz when he took X-rays, my
hospital cuz when he took X-rays, my skull wasn't attached to my vertebrae. I
skull wasn't attached to my vertebrae. I had an intern in terminal decapitation.
had an intern in terminal decapitation. It's a it's it's a very I could like
It's a it's it's a very I could like honestly write an entire book about it.
honestly write an entire book about it. But the bottom line is um suddenly my
But the bottom line is um suddenly my life came to a a total and complete
life came to a a total and complete stop. Um you know I discovered that um
stop. Um you know I discovered that um you can have all the problems in the
you can have all the problems in the world until you have a health problem
world until you have a health problem then you only have one problem in the
then you only have one problem in the world. Yeah that is the only problem you
world. Yeah that is the only problem you have and um it became my entire world.
have and um it became my entire world. If you don't have your health you don't
If you don't have your health you don't have anything you don't you know it's
have anything you don't you know it's interesting too you should say that it's
interesting too you should say that it's a very common expression and I used to
a very common expression and I used to think I knew what that meant. I used to
think I knew what that meant. I used to think that what good are all the riches
think that what good are all the riches in the world all the successes if you
in the world all the successes if you don't have your health right to enjoy it
don't have your health right to enjoy it but it's not actually what it means.
but it's not actually what it means. What it means, and I have experienced
What it means, and I have experienced this to to realize this, what it means
this to to realize this, what it means is that without your health, you have
is that without your health, you have nothing. Literally, you don't have a
nothing. Literally, you don't have a job. You don't have a boyfriend. You
job. You don't have a boyfriend. You don't have everybody disappears. You
don't have everybody disappears. You don't Every single thing you've worked
don't Every single thing you've worked your life for is gone. You can't even go
your life for is gone. You can't even go to your cousin's wedding. You can't go
to your cousin's wedding. You can't go to the family reunion. You have nothing
to the family reunion. You have nothing because you're in a hospital bed and you
because you're in a hospital bed and you have nothing. I couldn't brush my teeth.
have nothing. I couldn't brush my teeth. I couldn't scratch my nose. I couldn't
I couldn't scratch my nose. I couldn't do anything. I had nothing. And that's
do anything. I had nothing. And that's what it came down to. And
what it came down to. And um I didn't know if I would ever come
um I didn't know if I would ever come back from that. Um I opted voluntarily
back from that. Um I opted voluntarily to go through some extremely extremely
to go through some extremely extremely high-risisk neurosurgeries, brain
high-risisk neurosurgeries, brain surgery. And um I remember my one
surgery. And um I remember my one neurosurgeon did not recommend that I
neurosurgeon did not recommend that I proceed. And he was like, you know, he
proceed. And he was like, you know, he goes, we can do something less evasive
goes, we can do something less evasive and you will walk again and you will
and you will walk again and you will live your life. And he said, 'Why don't
live your life. And he said, 'Why don't you just like get married and have kids,
you just like get married and have kids, but I would not have it would not have
but I would not have it would not have been sufficient for me to get a first
been sufficient for me to get a first class medical back. That was a much much
class medical back. That was a much much bigger risk, a riskier surgery. Um, and
bigger risk, a riskier surgery. Um, and I just remember I said to him, you know,
I just remember I said to him, you know, doctor, I
doctor, I said, how long have you worked to become
said, how long have you worked to become a neurosurgeon? like how many years of
a neurosurgeon? like how many years of your life have you put into getting to
your life have you put into getting to where you are now? And obviously very
where you are now? And obviously very many years. And I said, well, I said,
many years. And I said, well, I said, I'm at United Airlines. I said, I have a
I'm at United Airlines. I said, I have a whole lifetime at that company ahead of
whole lifetime at that company ahead of me and I'm just starting out. I said,
me and I'm just starting out. I said, would you just say, oh, I hurt my hand.
would you just say, oh, I hurt my hand. I'm going to just just cover the bases
I'm going to just just cover the bases to make sure that my hand is not
to make sure that my hand is not amputated, but you're going to walk away
amputated, but you're going to walk away from your career. I said, "Or would you
from your career. I said, "Or would you go for it and take that risk to get your
go for it and take that risk to get your whole hand back so that you can continue
whole hand back so that you can continue being a neurosurgeon?" And he was like,
being a neurosurgeon?" And he was like, "Okay, point taken." And um the first
"Okay, point taken." And um the first two surgeries failed and I had a very
two surgeries failed and I had a very very long time of uh not knowing, you
very long time of uh not knowing, you know, if I was even going to have my
know, if I was even going to have my life back. But any case, the point of
life back. But any case, the point of the story is that in the end, I didn't
the story is that in the end, I didn't quit and I didn't give up and I was very
quit and I didn't give up and I was very very fortunate that I was able to
very fortunate that I was able to recover to the level that I was able to
recover to the level that I was able to recover and I was in the hospital for a
recover and I was in the hospital for a very long time with many other people
very long time with many other people who um were not able to recover. You
who um were not able to recover. You know, attitude is part of it and part of
know, attitude is part of it and part of it is just the cards that you're dealt.
it is just the cards that you're dealt. I remember the um remember my wonder
I remember the um remember my wonder surgeon said to me he said well he said
surgeon said to me he said well he said um he goes you should be dead he goes or
um he goes you should be dead he goes or worse than that you should be a
worse than that you should be a quadripollegic
quadripollegic and I thought worse than death would to
and I thought worse than death would to be paralyzed from the from the neck down
be paralyzed from the from the neck down and um that was almost me that was me
and um that was almost me that was me for a while and that was many people
for a while and that was many people that I became friends with you know
that I became friends with you know these things happen to totally
these things happen to totally completely normal people like me that
completely normal people like me that are injured you I very few people are
are injured you I very few people are born with something horrific like that
born with something horrific like that and they're just regular people that
and they're just regular people that were dealt a really difficult hand. So I
were dealt a really difficult hand. So I live every single day of my life
live every single day of my life incredibly grateful. incredibly grateful
incredibly grateful. incredibly grateful because I know I know, you know, I I
because I know I know, you know, I I shouldn't be here. And um it's hard to
shouldn't be here. And um it's hard to get me down
get me down because there's very little that can
because there's very little that can happen to you that is worse than what
happen to you that is worse than what was supposed to happen to me. And I I
was supposed to happen to me. And I I enjoy every minute of my life. Wow. I
enjoy every minute of my life. Wow. I love your attitude. I love your
love your attitude. I love your attitude. Resilience, not giving up. I'm
attitude. Resilience, not giving up. I'm lucky. I'm just I'm the luck I'm the
lucky. I'm just I'm the luck I'm the luckiest person I know. I really am. You
luckiest person I know. I really am. You know, people like, "Oh my god, like that
know, people like, "Oh my god, like that was horrible what happened to you." I'm
was horrible what happened to you." I'm like, "Are you kidding me?" Like, I am
like, "Are you kidding me?" Like, I am the luckiest person. How many people,
the luckiest person. How many people, you know, sever their skull from their
you know, sever their skull from their vertebrae and then like go on to have
vertebrae and then like go on to have the life that I ended up going on to
the life that I ended up going on to have. So, yeah, I'm very very lucky. I'm
have. So, yeah, I'm very very lucky. I'm not going to miss a minute of it. That's
not going to miss a minute of it. That's that's incredible. That's incredible
that's incredible. That's incredible story. I mean, that is so powerful. I
story. I mean, that is so powerful. I hope uh I'll make sure that at the
hope uh I'll make sure that at the beginning now of this podcast when I do
beginning now of this podcast when I do the intro I said you got to wait till
the intro I said you got to wait till the last couple of minutes of this video
the last couple of minutes of this video because the story you just told me told
because the story you just told me told me and told the rest of the world it
me and told the rest of the world it should be really really really
should be really really really inspiring. Uh tell us um you know you
inspiring. Uh tell us um you know you got a lot of followers everywhere and uh
got a lot of followers everywhere and uh it's been a wonderful journey that
it's been a wonderful journey that you've been on. You written a book and
you've been on. You written a book and uh you do speeches. Where can people
uh you do speeches. Where can people find you if they want to learn more
find you if they want to learn more about it? Do a little advertising for
about it? Do a little advertising for yourself. Advertising. Um well, here's
yourself. Advertising. Um well, here's my here's my book. You can Oh, yes.
my here's my book. You can Oh, yes. Well, I got it. When I if not if, but
Well, I got it. When I if not if, but when we meet up, I'll make sure uh you
when we meet up, I'll make sure uh you get it signed for me. I would love to
get it signed for me. I would love to have it your Well, ditto, my friend.
have it your Well, ditto, my friend. Sign a copy. Yes. Yes. Um, yeah, I uh
Sign a copy. Yes. Yes. Um, yeah, I uh you can obviously you can read my book.
you can obviously you can read my book. It's a you know, buy it on Amazon. It's
It's a you know, buy it on Amazon. It's available everywhere. I do book signings
available everywhere. I do book signings and weekends at the Smithsonian. I do
and weekends at the Smithsonian. I do them downtown National Mall and at
them downtown National Mall and at Uberhazi, which is the one on the other
Uberhazi, which is the one on the other side of the river here in Virginia. Um,
side of the river here in Virginia. Um, I'm gonna be speaking at Oshkosh and WAI
I'm gonna be speaking at Oshkosh and WAI and um, I've got a speaking thing coming
and um, I've got a speaking thing coming up at Purdue and um, I go I've been
up at Purdue and um, I go I've been traveling now recently to different EAA
traveling now recently to different EAA chapters and speaking. I don't know. I
chapters and speaking. I don't know. I just I love getting the word out, you
just I love getting the word out, you know, just you can do whatever you want
know, just you can do whatever you want to do and it really has nothing to do
to do and it really has nothing to do with being female. It's just as a person
with being female. It's just as a person like whatever you want to do like just
like whatever you want to do like just do it. You know what I mean? If you if
do it. You know what I mean? If you if you can, you can. If if you can do
you can, you can. If if you can do anything, you know, short of being in a
anything, you know, short of being in a hospital bed, honestly,
hospital bed, honestly, um if you're blessed enough that you can
um if you're blessed enough that you can go for something, then just go for it.
go for something, then just go for it. Cuz life, you know, at some point we're
Cuz life, you know, at some point we're all going to be dead. And um and life,
all going to be dead. And um and life, you know, they say life is short. Life
you know, they say life is short. Life is not short. Life is long. Life is
is not short. Life is long. Life is really, really long. I mean, life is
really, really long. I mean, life is make it to be. There's so many things
make it to be. There's so many things you can do in one lifetime. Like there
you can do in one lifetime. Like there are so many things you can do. Just keep
are so many things you can do. Just keep going for something new. just keep going
going for something new. just keep going and just keep going. And um Oh, I have a
and just keep going. And um Oh, I have a website. Uh yeah, actually if anyone's
website. Uh yeah, actually if anyone's looking for aviation training on my
looking for aviation training on my website, it's just laura
website, it's just laura savina747
savina747 uh.com. And if you go to that website, I
uh.com. And if you go to that website, I have on the last tab that you can fly,
have on the last tab that you can fly, I've got I think it's up to like $10
I've got I think it's up to like $10 million in aviation scholarships. I put
million in aviation scholarships. I put together I I I put together a bunch of
together I I I put together a bunch of links that have like all the connections
links that have like all the connections to like aviation scholarships. a lot of
to like aviation scholarships. a lot of really good information about flight
really good information about flight training, colleges that have aviation
training, colleges that have aviation majors, um, airlines, just it's kind of
majors, um, airlines, just it's kind of like I put everything all together on
like I put everything all together on one on one tab. So, if you have a kid or
one on one tab. So, if you have a kid or if you yourself, you know, are
if you yourself, you know, are interested in aviation or training or
interested in aviation or training or about young eagles or anything like
about young eagles or anything like that, go to that last tab,
that, go to that last tab, lauravino747.com, and the information's
lauravino747.com, and the information's that I'll put together for you there.
that I'll put together for you there. So, um, good some good stuff on there.
So, um, good some good stuff on there. Yeah, that's awesome. yourself out.
Yeah, that's awesome. yourself out. Well, Captain Savina, it was a pleasure
Well, Captain Savina, it was a pleasure to have you on board. It was a very
to have you on board. It was a very inspiring story. I loved every minute of
inspiring story. I loved every minute of it. I'm sure a lot of people around the
it. I'm sure a lot of people around the world gonna love it. And I'm sure there
world gonna love it. And I'm sure there going to be more stories and hopefully
going to be more stories and hopefully our path will cross one of these days in
our path will cross one of these days in one of these conferences and I get to
one of these conferences and I get to shake your hand.
shake your hand. Yes. I I'm sure that's going to happen.
Yes. I I'm sure that's going to happen. I'm sure that's going to happen. One of
I'm sure that's going to happen. One of these days I'll I'll sneak I'll be that
these days I'll I'll sneak I'll be that little person that sneaks up underneath
little person that sneaks up underneath you and like hello up there. Yeah.
you and like hello up there. Yeah. Oh, you're way too funny. Well, enjoy
Oh, you're way too funny. Well, enjoy the rest of the day. Thank you for
the rest of the day. Thank you for giving me a couple of hours of your
giving me a couple of hours of your time. It's really been a pleasure. Thank
time. It's really been a pleasure. Thank you so much. It has been. Thank you. And
you so much. It has been. Thank you. And thank you for inviting me on. I feel
thank you for inviting me on. I feel very honored. Absolutely. Absolutely. My
very honored. Absolutely. Absolutely. My pleasure. Take
care. Heat. [Music]
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