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"There Was 22 Beheadings" - The Most Horrific Things He Saw in Saudi Arabia
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I think 22 beheadings I've seen. You
know, I I was stabbed in the line of
duty. I've been shot at in the line of
duty. Were any of those a result of your
investigations? This is nuts. I I used
to get new guys that came into the
kingdom. The executioner comes out. They
have a cop car there that reads over the
loudspeaker in the car would read the
decree. What whatever this guy did, she
was stoned. The boyfriend or the father
of the kid. um he was he was
beheaded. You know, it's ironic today,
you know, the king of Saudi Arabia today
uh at that time in 19 from 82 to 84 was
actually the governor of Riyad. Um his
older brothers uh Fad Khaled, I worked
for them when I was when I was there. Um
he was the governor of Riad, he would be
at the hospital all the time. Um, so
when you had my job, you
basically you you
ensured that the that the doctors, the
nurses, the staff, especially the
American staff, they were abiding by the
law and by the policies of the hospital
because there's a lot of corruption that
goes on. There's a lot of prostitution
that goes on. There's a lot of lot of
things that goes on in those areas. you
know, people come over and they go to
work there and they get in a lot of
[ __ ] trouble and uh and it was our
job to make sure we kept them out of
trouble, make sure that the hospital
didn't get embarrassed. Uh things like
that. It was an interesting time. It uh
I made some good money. I stayed about a
year and a half and then I went back
home.
In another interview, you mentioned
I think upwards of 22 beheadings and Oh,
no. I've seen tons. Yeah. What were they
getting beheaded for? Um, for the most
part, um, all homicides or rape?
Homicides or rape. Um,
uh, I think I've seen I used to know the
numbers. I think it's 22. I think 22
beheadings I've seen.
um a bunch of dismemberments, you know,
they take a guy's hand off. I saw one
stoning uh where they stoned a a young
girl to death uh that had a baby out of
wedlock with her cousin or something. Um
she was she was stoned the boyfriend or
the father of the kid um he was he was
beheaded. Um, and that's the way it's
done. And you were friends with the
executioner, correct? Well, I wasn't.
Was it called coworker? No, he Well, he
worked, you know, the king today,
Solomon. Um, he was the governor. Well,
the the executioner was his senior
bodyguard, right? One of his his detail
guys. So, I I knew him from the
hospital.
Um, you know, we were sort of friends,
you I knew him. I would, uh, you know,
it's weird. I would see him during the
week, uh, coming in and out and then on
[ __ ] Friday, you know, after the
afternoon mosque, uh, you know, at 1:00
in the afternoon, he'd be out in the
square whacking somebody. And I'm think
I'm thinking, nice guy. You know, two
days ago, we're having tea like at the
hospital. So, wow. Were any of those
executions that you witnessed? Were
those were any of those a result of your
investigations? No. No. No. No. They
um No. Mo mostly there were homicides
that happened uh in Riat or around um I
I remember and I can't I think this was
the first goround. Um because I was
there. I was actually in Saudi Arabia in
1979 when they took the um the uh
embassy in uh Iran and when they seized
Mecca in Saudi and uh and I remember
that I I don't think I witnessed but I
know it went on in in Daharan a lot.
They took all of
the all of the uh the intruders that
went into Mecca um that were involved in
that seizure. They took all of them.
They split them up all over the country
and they killed them all in one day.
Wow. Um you know, there were a bunch of
them. They put them in cities all over
the all over the country. It's pretty
pretty routine over there at that time.
Well, listen, you know, you know, people
say, you know, uh, you know, the death
sentence doesn't, um, you know, it it
has no impact on crime. I don't know. I
don't know. You know, you witness some
of this stuff that goes on over
there, you don't have an impact. Is that
Do they do that in uh, is it like a
public Oh, yeah. Everybody show up.
Well, it's it's listen, you the you go
to the main mosque in Riyad on a Friday
afternoon, everybody goes in to pray,
everybody comes out and you know when
you come out of the mosque, if they have
the square roped off, there's going to
be an execution and it's right after you
come out of the mosque. So, if you have
a thousand people in the mosque and they
all come out, they basically form a
circle in that square. They have a
black, you know, one of these. I used to
call it a black mariah. was a a black
minivan will pull up into the square.
Um, a couple officers takes the dude
out. Uh, stands him in the middle of the
square, puts him on his knees. The
executioner comes out. They have a cop
car there that reads over the
loudspeaker in the car would read the
decree, what whatever this guy did, and
then they do
them. That was it. And you know, it's
it's weird.
We've all, you
know, cops, people in the military, you,
you know, there's times you see death
and you, you know, you see the aftermath
of death.
Um, the first time I ever saw a
beheading, the first
one I actually, you're watching this and
when it happens in your head, you're
going, "All right, dude. That's that's
[ __ ] up."
like is that you know is that real? Like
your head can't comprehend like you know
and you're looking at it thinking [ __ ]
that's crazy you know and uh after a
while it just you know I used this is
this is nuts. I I used to get new guys
that came into the kingdom and on
Fridays you know Thursday and Fridays
was a holiday right? It was like our
Saturday and Sunday. Mhm. So on Sunday,
we would all go out on, well, it was
Friday, but we would all go out to the
intercon or we'd go somewhere for brunch
every Friday. Well, I'd get these new
guys and they'd go out, we'd have them
go out and grab something to eat, and
then we'd leave right around the time
they were doing the
execution. And these guys had no idea
where we're going. Oh [ __ ] So we would
take them to the mosque, put them right
up front, they'd puke
their they'd watch this and get sick of
the dog. But um it was uh it was crazy.
It was a different life. Yeah. Would you
say that's probably maybe the most
traumatic thing you've seen up to that
point in your life? Up to that point?
Yeah. Have you seen Have you seen a lot
working in the prison or being a a No, I
mean you see you see violence, you see
things as a cop, you know, you you see
stuff like that. Not not like that,
though. Yeah. Right. Normally, you see
the aftermath unless you're involved in
an incident, right? You're involved in
some you're shooting or stabbing, you
know? I I was stabbed in the line of
duty. I've been shot at in the line of
duty. Things like that. Um but you don't
see that. This is the intentional
execution of someone. Yeah.
Um it's different, you know. It's
different.
So you wrapped up your Saudi contract
and came home. Wrapped up my Saudi
contract. Uh 1984 I um came back. I
applied for a job with the
NYPD and
um I was working in Jersey became 1985 I
became the warden of the Pay County
Jail. So I was I I was 20 I was 30 years
old. I was 30 years old. I was the chief
of department. I had 300 people working
for me. I uh you know, ironically, it
was the actual jail. You know, the P
County jail in Patterson is one of the
biggest county jails in the state of New
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